1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 08 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 556       Contents: Re: 'hobbyist' vms Re: 'hobbyist' vms& =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_tcp/ip_=3D=3D_UCX?=& =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_tcp/ip_=3D=3D_UCX?=0 Re: A warning to use bounds checking in BASIC(?)! Re: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS F Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP server on older versions ?. Re: C - overlaying variables in the same PSECT. RE: C - overlaying variables in the same PSECT# RE: C: sizeof question with structs # Re: C: sizeof question with structs # Re: C: sizeof question with structs # RE: C: sizeof question with structs  Re: Disable access log on CSWS Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters DLT8000 do not stream  Re: DLT8000 do not stream ! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail) ! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail) ! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)  FA: DEC Shirt!
 Re: FDL Files  Re: FMS: missing RPC$SHARE Re: FMS: missing RPC$SHARE Re: FMS: missing RPC$SHARE Re: FMS: missing RPC$SHARE Help with Multinet FTP please ! Re: Help with Multinet FTP please # Ncurses porting and cbreak(ed) read ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's  Re: singular and plural of VAXP singular and plural of VAX (was: Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP serP Re: singular and plural of VAX (was: Re: Another security issue with the UCX POPP RE: singular and plural of VAX (was: Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP  Re: SYS$SYSROOT and SYS$SPECIFIC Re: Re: tcp/ip == UCX  Re: tcp/ip == UCX % TCPIP RSH errors in command procedure  THe cleanup continues! Re: VMS 7.3 DCL / MX/ Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:05:39 +0100 > From: Torsten Mattfeldt <torsten.mattfeldt@medizin.uni-ulm.de> Subject: Re: 'hobbyist' vms 2 Message-ID: <3DA29FE3.FAAA4FEE@medizin.uni-ulm.de>   David Webb schrieb:  > u > In article <3D9D9D48.B55B44A3@medizin.uni-ulm.de>, Torsten Mattfeldt <torsten.mattfeldt@medizin.uni-ulm.de> writes: 2 > >VMS embedded into another operating system e.g.5 > >under Windows has been called 'hobbyist' software. . > >As far as I understand, one can use similar( > >commands as n VMS but keeps the basic > >operating system intact.  > >  > Not quite. > M > There is a VMS hobbyist program which allows you to get the OS, and lots of 8 > layered products (compilers etc) for VAX or ALPHA VMS.M > VAX and alpha boxes are available on ebay and from resellers such as Island  > fairly cheaply.  > ' > See http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/  > M > Licenses for the OS and layered products are free. The Hobbyist CD media is 0 > available at a cost of $30 including shipping. > P > You can also run this software on a number of VAX emulators. These emulate theD > VAX hardware on a PC under another OS such as Linux or Windows NT.8 > What you run on top of that hardware emulation is VMS. > ! > The first emulator produced was  > @ > Charon-VAX from http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/index.htm > M > There are both commercial versions and a hobbyist version of this emulator.  > O > People have also been running VMS on Simh and ts10 emulators. However I'm not Q > sure how complete and stable those emulators are currently. I'm sure others can 
 > comment. >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University   Dear David,   1 thank you for your answer which is quite helpful. . I hope to receive a demoversion of charon-vax.B On my SuSE Linux 8.0 package I found simh and shall try this also.  @ Can I download ts10 for vax-emulation under Linux somewhere too?   Thanks, Torsten # Dept. Pathology, Univ. Ulm, Germany      >  > >My questions: > > " > >1. Is such a solution possible? > >   > >2. If so: where can I get it?( > >   a) for Windows32 (NT, 2000 or XP)? > >   b) for Linux?  > > 
 > >Torsten   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:11:53 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)  Subject: Re: 'hobbyist' vms + Message-ID: <anub19$sp7$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   s In article <3DA29FE3.FAAA4FEE@medizin.uni-ulm.de>, Torsten Mattfeldt <torsten.mattfeldt@medizin.uni-ulm.de> writes:  >  >  >  >Dear David, > 2 >thank you for your answer which is quite helpful./ >I hope to receive a demoversion of charon-vax. C >On my SuSE Linux 8.0 package I found simh and shall try this also.  > A >Can I download ts10 for vax-emulation under Linux somewhere too?  >   N Sorry I've never run any of these emulators myself. Hence I've never needed to  find out where to download them.K Hopefully someone else on comp.os.vms will be able to provide you with the   appropriate URLs.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >Thanks, Torsten$ >Dept. Pathology, Univ. Ulm, Germany >  >  >>   >> >My questions:  >> ># >> >1. Is such a solution possible?  >> >! >> >2. If so: where can I get it? ) >> >   a) for Windows32 (NT, 2000 or XP)?  >> >   b) for Linux? >> > >> >Torsten    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:26:39 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>/ Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_tcp/ip_=3D=3D_UCX?= ' Message-ID: <anumef$hc6$1@lore.csc.com>   A On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 18:17:20 -0500 (CDT), sms@antinode.org wrote:   E >    Not yet having seen TCPIP V5.3, can anyone reveal if CTRL/T does G > anything so nice in its FTP client as the PathWay client did (several   > years ago) during a transfer?: >   = No, sorry. Here is a sample from my system (ignore wrapping):   ) FTP> put CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1  200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening data connection for H SYS$SYSDEVICE:[XXXXXXXX]CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1 (x.y.z.a,61229)E XXXXXX::Dave Smith 09:14:10 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:00.88 PF=2179 IO=2479  MEM=306 E XXXXXX::Dave Smith 09:14:12 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:00.94 PF=2179 IO=2564  MEM=306 E XXXXXX::Dave Smith 09:14:13 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:00.98 PF=2179 IO=2655  MEM=306   C If I can make a shameless plug for Hunter Goatley's HGFTP freeware, H that's the FTP client I actually use, and it does implement a nifty CTRL T feature, e.g.   0 FTP:xxxxxx> put CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1 <200 TYPE set to IMAGE. ( <227 Entering Passive Mode (x,y,z,a,b,c)  <150 Opening data connection forH SYS$SYSDEVICE:[XXXXXXXX]CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1 (x.y.z.a,61243)F XXXXXX::Dave Smith 09:16:10 FTP       CPU=00:00:02.47 PF=2495 IO=28880 MEM=231 G [sending file xxxxx:[xxxxxxxx.internet]cpq-axpvms-omsva-v0102--1.pcsi;1 $ to CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1]H %FTP-I-PERCENT, 2148352 bytes (4196/15584 blocks), 26%, in 00:00:02.31 = 930022 cps, IO=1049 : %FTP-I-REMTIME, Estimated time remaining:    0 00:00:06.00  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E David M. Smith 302.391.8533                   dsmit115 at csc dot com E Computer Sciences Corporation (Opinions are those of the writer only) E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 11:27:05 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>/ Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_tcp/ip_=3D=3D_UCX?= ' Message-ID: <anutg8$lgm$1@lore.csc.com>   F On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:05:37 +0200, Peter Flunger <p-i-b@gmx.at> wrote:   > * > "David M Smith" <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote > > I > > >    Not yet having seen TCPIP V5.3, can anyone reveal if CTRL/T does K > > > anything so nice in its FTP client as the PathWay client did (several $ > > > years ago) during a transfer?: > > >  > > A > > No, sorry. Here is a sample from my system (ignore wrapping):  > C > Then i guess you have not been using the right version, have you. 5 > Example from my system ( ignore wrapping ), running - > TCP/IP Services 5.3 ECO 01 on OpenVMS 7.3-1   E Oops! You are, of course, correct Peter. My test was done on my other F system, which is TCP/IP SERVICES V5.1 ECO 3. On my real V5.3 system, I( got the same behavior you reported, i.e.  ) FTP> put CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1  200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening data connection for 7 XXX:[XXXXX]CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1 (a.b.c.d,x) G XXXXX::XXXXXX 11:22:59 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:01.66 PF=1264 IO=665 MEM=346 E PUT (IMAGE)           1505280 bytes 00:00:02.02 elapsed (727.36 KB/S) E       Local: SYS$SYSDEVICE:[DSMIT115]CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1 -      Remote: CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1    Sorry for my confusion! E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E David M. Smith 302.391.8533                   dsmit115 at csc dot com E Computer Sciences Corporation (Opinions are those of the writer only) E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:32:18 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>9 Subject: Re: A warning to use bounds checking in BASIC(?) 8 Message-ID: <1du5qu437cbjos0eeckgiqakkpaa80b7d5@4ax.com>  / On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:42:54 -0700, "Randy Park" & <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> wrote:      8 >Int_Array1 has 6 elements (0 to 5) and Int_Array2 has 4? >elements (0 to 3).  The compiler probably allocates Int_Array2 ; >immediatly after Int_Array1 in the same PSECT.  There's no ; >gap in allocation between these two arrays.  Other integer < >data may follow in the same PSECT, but aligned on an 8 byte
 >boundary.  E I have actually had code (a long time ago) that worked for years, but < after some upgrade(s), linked together differently and beganB displaying this kind of (latent) bug.  After the re-compile and/orC re-link, the variables mapped differently, and a sub-sub-subroutine E working on a passed parameter, overflowed it and wrote over data in a > completely different variable way back up in the main routine.  B It never hurts to test fully with bounds checks on.  If you reallyB test well enough, you may want to turn these checks off when going< into production (it may help performance in some busy apps).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:55:49 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>* Subject: Re: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS8 Message-ID: <jes5qukv4a3389983n16cmaguu0bvpfn1c@4ax.com>  , On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:16:37 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    >Brian Tillman wrote: M >> Could you make this a little more compatible with other TCP/IP stacks?  In . >> particular, the /SERVER qualifier is betterM >> written /HOST (to correspond with the qualfier in Multinet and TCPware and I >> to be more in line with the -h (i.e., host) option in Unix versions of 
 >> whois). >  >Suggestion noted.  @ The beauty of using a .cld with this tool would be that you just, define a synonym - no code changes required.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:00:48 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>O Subject: Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP server on older versions ? 8 Message-ID: <9os5qusa4d8n7dn3qiost28409300r3h75@4ax.com>  , On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:19:11 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:      >  >vac vms 7.2, TCPIP 5.3  >    Ah, the singular form of VAX.    ;-)    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2002 07:27:19 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 7 Subject: Re: C - overlaying variables in the same PSECT 3 Message-ID: <qXMrdBco0C9x@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <d56d1c2d.0210071331.403cdbe7@posting.google.com>, cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) writes:) > Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3  > G > Sent the below to support last Thursday. Haven't heard anything back.  > They must be rather busy...  > D > Sorry about any wrap on this. Supposing that I want to overlay twoH > variables on the same memory (do the same thing as set up multiple MAPF > statements in BASIC where the MAP statements have the same "name")  > how might I do this in C?  >   #    What's wrong with using a union?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 05:47:16 -07001 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com> 7 Subject: RE: C - overlaying variables in the same PSECT P Message-ID: <025766C9BBC5D511A4ED00B0D0F08C2316378B@zny_exchange1.maintech1.com>  I I personally don't like to use unions.  I find them to be awkward to use.   H Instead, I declare a pointer of each type I want to map and point all of7 those pointers to the same starting address.  As an old K BASIC programmer, I have always understood that in effect, is what MAP did, ( and it allows me to reference data itemsK of each type independently, using the same philosophy that BASIC does using  MAP statements.    Mike Farrell   > -----Original Message-----B > From:	koehler@encompasserve.org [SMTP:koehler@encompasserve.org]) > Sent:	Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:27 AM  > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 > Subject:	Re: C - overlaying variables in the same PSECT  > ? > In article <d56d1c2d.0210071331.403cdbe7@posting.google.com>, & > cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) writes:+ > > Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3  > > I > > Sent the below to support last Thursday. Haven't heard anything back.  > > They must be rather busy...  > > F > > Sorry about any wrap on this. Supposing that I want to overlay twoJ > > variables on the same memory (do the same thing as set up multiple MAPH > > statements in BASIC where the MAP statements have the same "name") - > > how might I do this in C?  > >  > % >    What's wrong with using a union?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 05:40:20 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> , Subject: RE: C: sizeof question with structs9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEPIFNAA.tom@kednos.com>   0 I find it a bit tortured, I think the expression  
 size(element)   ; As used in PL/I is more elegant;  moreover; you can do this < on dynamically sized variables, which , of course, C doesn't
 even support.      >-----Original Message----- ( >From: Z [mailto:zarlenga@conan.ids.net]' >Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:16 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- >Subject: Re: C: sizeof question with structs  >  > # >Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote: : >: Do all C compilers support the casting of null pointer?@ >: (Of course, on some machines, in the past anyway, NULL wasn'tB >: always zero)  Upon first looking at it I would have thought the5 >: compiler would have generated a diagnostic.  Cute.  > @ >All compilers should suppoort casting the NULL pointer, and the8 >actual value of NULL is unimportant for this statement: > ; >   sizeof( ( (struct [struct_name] *)(NULL) )->[element] )  > 9 >You can substititute any # for NULL and it'll stll work.  >  >Neat, hunh?  God, I love C! >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:37:16 -0400& From: "Ed Vogel" <ed.vogel@compaq.com>, Subject: Re: C: sizeof question with structs. Message-ID: <3da309bd$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEPIFNAA.tom@kednos.com... = | As used in PL/I is more elegant;  moreover; you can do this > | on dynamically sized variables, which , of course, C doesn't | even support.  |      Hi Tom,   8     C99 supports dynamically sized variables in the form=     of variable-length arrays.  This means that in some cases 1     sizeof is not a constant value.  For example:        #include <stdio.h>     main() {         int a;0         printf("How big should the array be? ");         scanf("%d", &a);4         int b[a];        /* variable-length array */2         printf("Size of array is %d\n",sizeof(b));     }   ?     Support for variable-length arrays has been in Compaq C for      some time.       Ed Vogel     Compaq C Engineering   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:16:07 +0200 6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>, Subject: Re: C: sizeof question with structs) Message-ID: <3DA312D7.5070503@vajhoej.dk>    Z wrote:  & > Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:= > : Tne NULL pointer trick suggested by others will allow you ; > : to change the data type of members without changing the 1 > : sizeof code. But how often do you need that ?  > F > You never _need_ it, it just makes the code much easier to maintain. >  > And it's not a "trick."       8 Some of the keywords to maintainability is "readability" and "portability".  1 It is an "interesting" construct that will puzzle  many maintenance programmers.   5 Its "strict standard C" correctness look questionable  to me. As far as I know then: .    - dereferencing a NULL pointer is undefined>    - you can use sizeof on any expression with some exceptions      not relevant here8 I find it difficult to see why a C compiler should be so8 stupid to try an evaluate the expression at runtime, but1 it has never been good coding practice to rely on " the compiler behaving intelligent.  0 So I can not see the code is easier to maintain.   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:07:18 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> , Subject: RE: C: sizeof question with structs9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEPPFNAA.tom@kednos.com>   8 Well, that shows how much I have used C in recent years.? I suppose next you will add variable length strings and lexical  scoping  :-)  6 Have you promoted sizeof to runtime evaluation in this case?    >-----Original Message----- , >From: Ed Vogel [mailto:ed.vogel@compaq.com]( >Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:37 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- >Subject: Re: C: sizeof question with structs  >  >  > / >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message 4 >news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEPIFNAA.tom@kednos.com...> >| As used in PL/I is more elegant;  moreover; you can do this? >| on dynamically sized variables, which , of course, C doesn't  >| even support. >| >    Hi Tom, > 9 >    C99 supports dynamically sized variables in the form > >    of variable-length arrays.  This means that in some cases2 >    sizeof is not a constant value.  For example: >  >    #include <stdio.h> 
 >    main() {  >        int a; 1 >        printf("How big should the array be? ");  >        scanf("%d", &a); 5 >        int b[a];        /* variable-length array */ 3 >        printf("Size of array is %d\n",sizeof(b));  >    } > @ >    Support for variable-length arrays has been in Compaq C for >    some time.  > 
 >    Ed Vogel  >    Compaq C Engineering  >  >  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:42:50 GMT + From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> ' Subject: Re: Disable access log on CSWS 1 Message-ID: <uhBo9.12$WP1.70726@news.cpqcorp.net>   0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message# news:3DA1D46E.7010507@vajhoej.dk...  > Rick Barry wrote:  > K > > Sending to NL: will work, as Alan suggests, and will improve throughput = > > considerably for those who don't need access information.  >  >  > Will it ?  > 9 > It will obvious improve the situation if the bottleneck  > is the disk in question. >   L There is a serialization bottleneck when the Apache servers are doing accessL logging that we plan to take a look at. It's not disk I/O latency that's the problem.  
 Rick Barry Compaq Secure Web Server OpenVMS System Software Group  Hewlett-Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:30:20 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters 6 Message-ID: <vNidnU0CSd9QUj-gXTWc3Q@News.GigaNews.Com>  3 "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> wrote in message 9 news:EL%m9.2076$F53.2101708@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com... L > An interest case came up this spring.  It wasn't a fault tolerant cluster,? > but its example points out there is more to disaster tolerent  configurations( > than placing hardware in 2 or 3 sites.   ...   G As a slightly off-sub-thread excursion (since this seems to be the most F recent DR/DT thread in c.o.v.), if you look carefully in the followingJ article you'll see VMS mentioned (too bad cHumPaq doesn't seem inclined to beat the drum itself):  4 http://www.nwfusion.com/research/2002/1007feat2.html   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2002 07:31:56 -0700 , From: davidjsullivan@hp.com (David Sullivan)' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters = Message-ID: <e8f638a9.0210080631.1987d291@posting.google.com>   h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<Pj87+txEAk1K@eisner.encompasserve.org>... > In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9721@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:
 > > Larry, > > ! > >>>> On both VAX and Alpha ?<<<  > >  > > Reference:2 > > http://www.compaq.com/info/SP5104/SP5104PF.PDFF > > "Reliable Transaction Router (RTR) is fault tolerant transactionalJ > > messaging middleware used to implement large, distributed applicationsH > > using client/server technology. This version of Reliable TransactionL > > Router enables enterprises to deploy distributed applications on OpenVMS > > Alpha and VAX systems."  > > J > > See pointer for additional VAX specific info (VAX/VMS V7.3, V7.2, V6.2 > > supported) > K > I was interested in whether it is bundled with VMS on both VAX and Alpha. < > I know the X.500 Directory Service bundling is Alpha-only.  D RTR is available via the layered products CD for both Alpha and VAX.$ It can also be ordered individually.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:54:13 +05004 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru> Subject: DLT8000 do not stream4 Message-ID: <5331719341.20021008165413@ncc.volga.ru>  
 Hello all,  @   I have a problem with our brand new Tandberg DLT8000 drive - I/ didn't manage to force it to stream constantly. E   Background: VMS 7.3 with relevant patches applied, ES40 2x667 CPUs, E 8G memory, 2 3X-KZPCA-AA adapters (one dedicated to tape, 3R-A0919-AA D 10K rpm disks connected to another one). Both adapters are installed in the same PCI bus.A   After reading docs and many advices about tuning backup account 2 quotas I set up the account with following params:A wsextent = wsquota = wsdefault = PQL_MWSEXTENT = WSMAX = 1421312, 9 fillm = 1000, diolm = 30000, astlm = 31000, biolm = 4000, 3 bytlm = 500000, enqlm = 32767, pgflquota = 2000000. D   Drives and adapters don't carry another load but backup, disks areF not fragmented at all. Tape INITed with /media=compact/density=DLT8000D qualifiers. I do backup with the same /media and /density qualifiersD and blocksize=65535. But during backup I hear that the tape drive doG stop/start sequence every few seconds (~4 seconds for compressible data A and ~9 seconds for zip files). Calculated speed is 4.7 MB/sec for F incompressible (zip) data and 7.4 MB/sec for compressible data, thoughD should be 6 MB/sec. native speed and 12 MB/sec. for 2:1 compression.> Backup job read the source disk every 50-60 sec., so IMHO diskD throughput is not the issue. OK, I never dream to reach max declaredA numbers (6/12 MB/sec) but those frequent start-stops frighten me.    So the questions: A   1. Are those start-stops normal or they mean shoe-shine effect? @   2. That else can be done to increase throughput and force tape   drive to stream?C   3. Why real wsquota and wsdefault for backup process occurs to be C   1048576 though all workset quotas for account and for batch queue    are set to 1421312?      Thank you. --  
 Best regards, #  Valentin                             valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:04:59 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> " Subject: Re: DLT8000 do not stream8 Message-ID: <8ks5qu4i1js810ovckegdvgkvmcqmm6i01@4ax.com>  2 On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:54:13 +0500, Valentin Likoum% <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru> wrote:    >Hello all,   B >  After reading docs and many advices about tuning backup account3 >quotas I set up the account with following params: B >wsextent = wsquota = wsdefault = PQL_MWSEXTENT = WSMAX = 1421312,: >fillm = 1000, diolm = 30000, astlm = 31000, biolm = 4000,4 >bytlm = 500000, enqlm = 32767, pgflquota = 2000000.  B Certainly all these quotas look big enough. However what is sysgenF param channelcnt? If this isn't (significantly) greater than 1000 then$ backup can never use its fillm quota  B If you are getting 4.7MB/sec uncompressed and 7.4MB/sec compressesD sustained over a time period then you are not doing too badly. ThereB might be scope for a little improvement. My experience is that the@ drives will stop/start from time to time even if continually fedF although I do think you should be able to get a little better than you see.  E >  Drives and adapters don't carry another load but backup, disks are G >not fragmented at all. Tape INITed with /media=compact/density=DLT8000 E >qualifiers. I do backup with the same /media and /density qualifiers E >and blocksize=65535. But during backup I hear that the tape drive do H >stop/start sequence every few seconds (~4 seconds for compressible dataB >and ~9 seconds for zip files). Calculated speed is 4.7 MB/sec forG >incompressible (zip) data and 7.4 MB/sec for compressible data, though E >should be 6 MB/sec. native speed and 12 MB/sec. for 2:1 compression. ? >Backup job read the source disk every 50-60 sec., so IMHO disk E >throughput is not the issue. OK, I never dream to reach max declared B >numbers (6/12 MB/sec) but those frequent start-stops frighten me. >  So the questions:B >  1. Are those start-stops normal or they mean shoe-shine effect?A >  2. That else can be done to increase throughput and force tape  >  drive to stream? D >  3. Why real wsquota and wsdefault for backup process occurs to beD >  1048576 though all workset quotas for account and for batch queue >  are set to 1421312? > 
 >  Thank you.    -- Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:24:38 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> * Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)$ Message-ID: <3da2eaea$1@news.si.com>  1 >Not the version of Endymion Mailman my ISP uses.  > 4 >If I delete email via the web-interface, then it is >gone when I download via POP3.   G Perhaps there are config options for Mailman.  Perhaps I haven't tested L exactly this case.  What I definitely have seen is that, if I use Mailman toL check if I have new messages (without reading any of them) and then I use myC POP client to load them to my PC, they are gone from the mail store L (sendmail on a Unix machine).  However, I can still see them (and read them)I in Mailman.  The owner of the ISP I use says he's seen Mailman moving the D mail store to a separate area when someone uses it.  It then becomesG distinct from the POP server's store.  In fact, a couple of days ago, I H noticed Mailman stating I had 110% of my allowed mail space in use, evenL though I apparently had no messages.  Turns out that the DELETED mail folderK contained messages from ages ago that I had deleted (and apparently Mailman  never purged out). --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2002 10:34:45 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)3 Message-ID: <axux9Dc9qoQS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3DA0653E.8080602@vajhoej.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > E >> In general, VMS MAIL relies upon RMS indexed files to allow access H >> by simultaneous sessions.  But what exactly needs to be handled about> >> "the situation" ?  I was not following the piece about POP. >  > 9 > The question is if the two sessions do a varity of DIR, < > READ n and DEL n what will happend. The worst case is that? > a DEL n delete something else than it should. But there could 9 > also be the possibility that READ n read something else  > than it should.   B If that causes a problem in an application, it is certainly a bug.F Once it has done the moral equivalent of DIR, the application _should_4 be accomplishing READ n or DEL n through RFA access.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:35:21 +0200 6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>* Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)) Message-ID: <3DA30949.1060504@vajhoej.dk>    Brian Tillman wrote:  2 >>Not the version of Endymion Mailman my ISP uses. >>5 >>If I delete email via the web-interface, then it is   >>gone when I download via POP3.    I > Perhaps there are config options for Mailman.  Perhaps I haven't tested N > exactly this case.  What I definitely have seen is that, if I use Mailman toN > check if I have new messages (without reading any of them) and then I use myE > POP client to load them to my PC, they are gone from the mail store N > (sendmail on a Unix machine).  However, I can still see them (and read them)
 > in Mailman.      No so at my ISP.  = I can read them via MailMan and then get them via POP3 later.   8 And when they are downloaded via POP3, then they are not! available via MailMan any longer.    Which is the behaviour I want.   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:08:29 -04002 From: "Homer J Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> Subject: FA: DEC Shirt! B Message-ID: <0rBo9.54178$OM4.33866752@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>  2 Classy polo/golf shirt for the Digitally-inclined.< http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=967728533   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:38:47 +0530# From: "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com>  Subject: Re: FDL Files/ Message-ID: <uq4tg9mhio13c7@corp.supernews.com>   L I am still trying to figure it out...if i get some headway will mail you the same.    thanks Vivek   1 <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote in message 2 news:00A15073.D2589930@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...> > In article <87k7kwkglk.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: > > >Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> writes: > > H > >>     Good thing you posted that code example. As Bart and ChristoffeF > >> replied earlier, we all thought you were talking standard RMS FDLA > >> files. You now appear to have been referring to some 'format E > >> definition language' which is non standard VMS. It might even be F > >> just a bunch of C macro's. You'll have to poke around in your ownC > >> development environment as to what to rules are for this tool.  > > I > >Wrong FDL, they are `Form Definition Library' files from TDMS I think.  > >(long time, much bitrot...) > I > Not TDMS.  TDMS forms are defined with a WYSIWYG character-cell editor.  > 	 > -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 03:47:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> # Subject: Re: FMS: missing RPC$SHARE , Message-ID: <3DA28D82.3A6B0721@videotron.ca>   An update...  I I did find an RPC$SHARE , after much searching into products I never ever . installed: CDDMUPA053 on an old CD circa 1995.  L I got a hint from Alta Vista which pointed to a cobol installation procedure7 mentioning that RPC$SHARE had some dependancies in CDD.   M So, I unpacked this, and pulled out the right RPC$SHARE (there was one for V5  and one for V4)   F I gladly moved the RPC$SHARE.EXE to SYS$LIBRARY, but then, FMS/CONVERTJ complained that it couldn't find RBDSHR.EXE !!!!!! <swearing> Man, this isK just to convert a damned text file to a FMS form.  Why would I need RDB for 
 that ?????  M As a tribute to the TK50, I found the old FMS 2.3 distribution on TK50, circa M 1987-1989. It took only minutes to copy the savesets, instead of the expected L hours (TK50 usually means it takes hours). Pretty amazing that the media was% still readable after all those years.   N So I do an ANA/IMAGE of the FMSFCV.EXE file and it doesn't require that damned. RPC$SHARE.EXE !!! Oh, i am a happy puppy now !  , So, I move the file to SYS$EXE, and try it !          H Now, I get an ident mismatch on CDDSHR.EXE !!!!!    <much more swearing>    N On my all mighty microvax II which came to life in 1987 with microvax 4.6, the CDDSHR.EXE has:r  2 		Version "X-1" dating 22-MAR-1986 linker id 04-00  M now remember,. this is the node on which FMS has been installed all along andtM whose FMS/CONVERT worked fine before. So that same image file which came fromi# TK50 would have worked in the past.r      ? On my vaxstation which came to life about 2/3 years ago, I get:   ; 	Version "X-1"  dating 14-NOV-1998 02:20 linker id: V11-38"y    M So, how come the 7.2 installation procedure provided V11-38 on node BIKE, but:N didn't update the 1986 version of the same file on node VELO, leaving the 1986D version ? And how come the 1998 version has the same "X-1" version ?    	 QUESTION:e  J Is there a way to find out what linker IDENT  FMSFCV.EXE expects to see in CDDSHR.EXE ?  I Is there an easy way to patch that linker ident in CDDSHR.EXE to make theuH image activator happy  ? (I could store the file separately and define a= logical to it so as to not change other images on my system).(  L My function woudln't touch any of the CDD stuff so I doubt it would call anyM of those routines so I don't really care if the shareable image isn't kosher.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 05:24:06 -0400f- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-# Subject: Re: FMS: missing RPC$SHARE-, Message-ID: <3DA2A421.FB16BE44@videotron.ca>  I Ok, I was able to patch the FMS 2.3 image on my system so that instead ofuM expecting 06-000008, it would expect 06-000001 (used DUMP to locate that byte  near the "CDDSHR" string.   L So, VMS now was happy to activate the FMSFCV image (version 2.3, the rest of FMS is at 2.4)  	 BUT !!!!!   D It now complains that the CDD product is not installed on my system.  K What the 4 letter word happend with VMS 7.2 ? The CDA stuff stopped workingnG because it CDA$ACCESS now expects a licence other than the original CDAeL library licences, and now, the FMS product which had worked for over decade,J no longer works because it wants CDD installed when that product was never installed ?   K And the biggest irony is that the FMSFCV.EXE image (2.3) was linked in 1986lM and expected CDDSHR 06-00008 when in fact the CDDSHR at that time (and today)i is still at 06-000001a    I But i am not dreaming, i know that when I was still at 5.5-2, FMS/CONVERT0+ worked fine. (it is also used by ALL-IN-1).t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:17:32 +0100e! From: John Laird <john@yrl.co.uk>i# Subject: Re: FMS: missing RPC$SHARE 8 Message-ID: <1ri5qusu77bgpb0epdfkkmloq9ve0agkug@4ax.com>  K On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:52:20 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>x wrote:   >VAX VMS 7.2, FMS 2.4c >e2 >FMS/CONVERT fails due to a missing RPC$SHARE.EXE  > L >I have not used FMS/CONVERT in a long long time, so it is possible that theG >last time I used it, I was still at VMS 5.5-2 (went from 5.5-2 to 7.2)' >uI >I just checked and RPC$SHARE.EXE doesn't exist in the V7.2 distribution.  >SN >If I find it in an earlier distribution, will it hurt to place it on my 7.2 ?6 >Does anyone know what RPC$SHARE.EXE did in the past ? >aO >FMS/CONVERT just takes a .FLG text source file and converts it into a compiledo >.FRM form.o  G No, it doesn't.  That's FMS/TRANSLATE.  FMS/CONVERT (which I have neverlH used) converts a TDMS form to an FMS form (if it can), taking the sourceI from the CDD dictionary.  It is therefore going to be rather dependent onnI CDD (and an ANAL/IMAGE output on FMSFCV.EXE shows a few shareable library-H dependencies which are not shared with any other FMS image).  Curiously,J this FMSFCV image is absent on our Alphas - we don't have any Vaxes at 7.x     	Johnu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 11:07:27 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i# Subject: Re: FMS: missing RPC$SHARE , Message-ID: <3DA2F4AF.E3B3FCEB@videotron.ca>   John Laird wrote:.  I) > No, it doesn't.  That's FMS/TRANSLATE. x  L Oh man, I don't know how I should feel.  Spending all this time fiddling and< searching for files when I was using the wrong command !!!!!  E Thanks for the information, even if it thows a big egg on my face :-)n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 06:15:13 GMTo( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>& Subject: Help with Multinet FTP please, Message-ID: <3DA277E6.2020600@spammotel.com>  G My two staff and I spend about 50% of our workday logged into a Cognos  = Powerhouse application - let's call it REX - that provides a oH character-cell front-end for our Oracle Rdb database running on OpenVMS H Alpha 7.2-2.  The users all run Windows 2000 and access the application G using telnet from a popular terminal emulator.  Since support for this aI application has all but evaporated, I was hoping to find some ideas here C7 for how to solve a particular problem we've run across.   I Several canned reports are hard-coded to produce printed documents.  The vF documents are also saved on the Alpha as text files with names in the F form: "REX_reportid_username_date_randomnumber.rpt".  We'd like to be H able to forego the printed version and simply e-mail the text file. One A possibility is to have our programmer/analyst use Powerhouse, or OC whatever else is needed, to e-mail the output file from VMS to the CG person who created the report, allowing the user to then forward it on e from there.1  C But is there another way to get this done entirely from the user's iA systems?  The terminal emulator includes a fairly powerful macro XF language capable of automating FTP and ODBC sessions, but identifying H the correct file to grab from VMS with these tools is a problem for us. D   Doing it manually simply involves getting a directory listing and E checking for the most recent file with the right reportid, date, and .H username; but, how can we do this using FTP (Multinet 4.3)?  I think if H we can get that problem solved, we could cobble together something with - the emulator's macro language to do the rest.e  H Perhaps there are other ways to do this?  If so, I'd greatly appreciate  hearing about them.x   Thanks,c   Alder-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:42:59 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> * Subject: Re: Help with Multinet FTP please$ Message-ID: <3da2ef36$1@news.si.com>  J >1. I've set sysgen parameter 'AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV' to 1 so that OpenVMS makesJ >changing the system clock unnecessary, but is there anything I need to do to	 >TCPware?r# >2. Is it capable of auto-changing?e   See L http://delta.process.com/ftp/tcpware/documentation/html/management/Ch11.htm#5 I19 or your own copy of the TCPware Management Guide.1 --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com8A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comc= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent-< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:12:20 +02009 From: "Bernard Giroud" <bernard.giroud@creditlyonnais.fr> , Subject: Ncurses porting and cbreak(ed) read4 Message-ID: <3da3045d$0$21311$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  ; In trying to port ncurses on to VMS, we just hit a problem:u  = Is it possible to just set the terminal with a combination of/? modes and characteristics so that the posix read in lib_getch.cr8 will return immediately for 1 key instead of waiting for
 a terminator?    Thanks in advanceO   -- Bernard Giroud? Crdit Lyonnais (Switzerland) SA (company code: creditlyonnais)M) email: firstname.lastname@company_code.chs   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:06:58 -0500, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov>* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's+ Message-ID: <anuvr8$8n8$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>y  H If your original no Windows support request is negotiable, you could runJ PATHWORKS 32 on Windows.  It includes DECnet Phase IV, and can use FAL andH DECnet proxies to receive files from your VMS batch job.  Installing andA configuring PATHWORKS 32 on Windows is easy, supported by HP, and  transparent to VMS.a  J If you really want no support on Windows, I suggest a Windows account usedI for nothing else but this file transfer.  You could embed its password in-L your command file, or you could pass it as a parameter to the batch job whenG you submit it.  With that, you could use the Samba client on VMS to put H files to a Windows file share, or an FTP client on VMS to put files to a Windows FTP server.n  L NFS is UNIXy, but there are Windows and VMS implementations of it.  Using itK in your environment is probably more work than you want to do, and security H was not a major consideration when NFS was designed.  Think of NFS as anG American and a Russian trying to communicate with each other in Arabic.e  J For a VMS implementation of Windows protocols, there are Samba (freeware),D HP's Advanced Server for OpenVMS (requires 7.2-2 or later), and HP'sI PATHWORKS for OpenVMS (for older versions of VMS).  Any of those productseF should map Windows accounts to VMS accounts and can do its own WindowsL authorization like a workgroup member or use or a Windows domain controller,J probably not Active Directory, to validate Windows accounts.  Think of anyL of them as an American and a Russian trying to commuinicate in English.  TheE VMS port of the Samba server is an old version with problems, and theuH current version of Advanced Server might work, but its predecessors were dogs.p  G In short, your four options are to run PATHWORKS 32 on Windows; put the L Windows account's password in your command file or in a batch job parameter;L run NFS on both Windows and VMS; or run Samba, Advanced Server, or PATHWORKSJ on VMS.  Only the first two satisfy your original request of light weight.  
 Good luck,1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541d scandora@cmt.anl.gov  5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messagei/ news:bOln9.14548$H67.67117@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...nI > "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> a crit dans le message de news: " > ankd9d$qde$3@milo.mcs.anl.gov...; > > Nice.  I never noticed that new (post-5.5-2) qualifier.  > >.H > > It's not pretty, but it's fairly easy to write the DCL for your .COM file > to8 > > ask an interactive user for a password with no echo. >-= > Problem is,  I don't ask user and password, I run in batch.x >s > > If you have commonD > > usernames between VMS and Windows, your DCL knows your username. >  > but not the password >n: > DECnet proxies are a good way to go around this problem. >4K > I believe that, if using the SMBclient, the OS security will take care ofCL > that. But it's not certain because on VMS, my "Windows" security really is' > set up in Advanced Server, not Samba.0J > What I mean to say is, if I would use Advanced Server to do the copy, itJ > (Advanced Server) would know I'm administrator, and Windows at the pther ende? > would accepr the connection. Samba will probably not know I'm.
 administratortI > and Windows will ask for a username and a password to access the share.  >eA > This is my guess. If anyone can say I'm wrong I'm glad to hear!  > 	 > Syltreme >t5 > > Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541s > > scandora@cmt.anl.gov > >  > >i9 > > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messagep3 > > news:%I0n9.14443$H67.66480@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...s9 > > > What I dislike, it to have user/pwd in a .COM file. E > > > Anonymous is not very good either, best is DECnet with proxy...-$ > > > But you're right, FTP is easy. > > >m > > > -- > > >e
 > > > SyltremlE > > > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en  > franais)0> > > > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address > > > K > > > "Aaron Sakovich" <alphaman-nixspam@hsv.sungardtrust.com> a crit dansn leI > > > message de news: 8af17fe1.0210031113.798eb473@posting.google.com...o? > > > > "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> wrote in messager- > > > news:<anf9md$48l$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>...h	 > > > > : L > > > > > FTP -- you run an FTP server on your PC (not difficult) and an FTP > > > clientI > > > > > utility program on VMS (not difficult, but not as easy as DCL $i COPY > > and- > > > $m > > > > > DIRECTORY commands). > > > >@? > > > > But it IS as easy as a DCL $ COPY or DIRECTORY command:  > > > >V# > > > >  $ DIR /FTP pc"user pass"::o# > > > >  $ DIR /FTP /ANONYMOUS pc:: A > > > >  $ COPY /FTP vmsfile.ext pc"user pass"::"\dir\pcfile.ext"> > > > >rE > > > > And don't forget with TCP/IP 5.3 you've also got the /PASSIVEa switch.  > > > >eD > > > > Too bad you can't TYPE/FTP nor DELETE /FTP (although you canF > > > > approximate the former by copying to TT:.)  I hope that in the future,nL > > > > any network spec (node::) will be automatically routed to the proper > > > > networking services. > > > >n
 > > > > Aaronr > > >A > > >m > >h > >h >a >"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:56:39 +0100u! From: John Laird <john@yrl.co.uk>-' Subject: Re: singular and plural of VAX48 Message-ID: <od36quonhpttv29mdro6fv9cuu3ekoot2o@4ax.com>  J On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:49:53 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:  9 >On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:22:53 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbigx, ><HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote: >>H >>By the way, does anyone know where the German-sounding plural "VAXen"  >>came from as used in English?n >p >ox   Pronunciation Key  (ks)a >n. pl. oxen (ksn) E >An adult castrated bull of the genus Bos, especially B. taurus, used  >chiefly as a draft animal.  >A bovine mammal.   G Shame the plurals of "ax", "tax", "pax", etc don't follow this rule :-)D( (And I've not heard of boxen, coxen...!)     	John?   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:22:53 +0100 (MET)o9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>mY Subject: singular and plural of VAX (was: Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP serg; Message-ID: <01KNFHW54S349QWKOO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a   > > vac vms 7.2, TCPIP 5.3 >  > Ah, the singular form of VAX.N >  > ;-)e  F By the way, does anyone know where the German-sounding plural "VAXen"  came from as used in English?!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:49:53 +0100v% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> Y Subject: Re: singular and plural of VAX (was: Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP 8 Message-ID: <djv5qu0q2ukrndra2e658h5fnki3d0lodk@4ax.com>  8 On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:22:53 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:-   >> > vac vms 7.2, TCPIP 5.3u >> O  >> Ah, the singular form of VAX. >> " >> ;-) >cG >By the way, does anyone know where the German-sounding plural "VAXen" a >came from as used in English?   ox   Pronunciation Key  (ks) n. pl. oxen (ksn) sD An adult castrated bull of the genus Bos, especially B. taurus, used chiefly as a draft animal.   A bovine mammal. d    c   -- Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:57:50 -0400# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>dY Subject: RE: singular and plural of VAX (was: Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP : Message-ID: <OPEPIPEJGHNICIJKJFEAIEMMFEAA.dallen@nist.gov>   	Oxen?   > -----Original Message-----B > From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com]* > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:23 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComrF > Subject: singular and plural of VAX (was: Re: Another security issue. > with the UCX POP server on older versions ?) >  >  > > > vac vms 7.2, TCPIP 5.3 > > ! > > Ah, the singular form of VAX.- > >  > > ;-)e > H > By the way, does anyone know where the German-sounding plural "VAXen"  > came from as used in English?e   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:01:22 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t) Subject: Re: SYS$SYSROOT and SYS$SPECIFIC ; Message-ID: <01KNFL50NKFY9QWKOO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   G > > Also, maybe the form above did *not* work in older versions of VMS,_H > > which would explain why SYS$SYSROOT is defined using the translationI > > of SYS$SPECIFIC instead of SYS$SPECIFIC itself (yes, plus SYS$COMMON,  > > of course).. > C > Actually, this is right. This would not have worked under VMS 4.0pG > according to my V4.4 copy of "Guide to File Applications" in which ito( > says under "New and Changed Features": > A > [begin quote] A logical name that is defined with the concealedeF > attribute no longer must translate directly to a physical device butA > can translate to another logical name as shown in the following 
 > example: > B > $ DEFINE MY_ROOT DISK$WORK: [ROOT.]/TRANSLATION=CONCEALED ! [end > quote] > G > Therefore, since clusters came out with V4.0, that version of VMS hadrH > to use a translation that contains an actual physical device name. And; > perhaps DEC just never saw any need to modify that since.e  E On a related topic, one STILL cannot define a concealed device which eG points to another CONCEALED DEVICE (though, as mentioned above, it can  E point to another LOGICAL NAME).  Actually, one "can" DEFINE it (i.e.  < SHOW LOGICAL will show your definition), but access leads to  =    DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening test_root:[000000] as input:N    -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation  I In other words, the example above will NOT work if DISK$WORK is actually  H a concealed device (e.g. "DISK$WORK" = "DISK$USER:[WORK.]" [concealed]).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:01:28 -0400c+ From: Michael Corbett <corbett@PROCESS.COM>, Subject: Re: Re: tcp/ip == UCX* Message-ID: <3DA2E538.6010307@PROCESS.COM>   David M Smith wrote:  C > On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 18:17:20 -0500 (CDT), sms@antinode.org wrote:e >  > E >>   Not yet having seen TCPIP V5.3, can anyone reveal if CTRL/T does G >>anything so nice in its FTP client as the PathWay client did (severalt  >>years ago) during a transfer?: >> >> > ? > No, sorry. Here is a sample from my system (ignore wrapping):a > + > FTP> put CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1, > 200 PORT command successful.! > 150 Opening data connection foraJ > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[XXXXXXXX]CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1 (x.y.z.a,61229)G > XXXXXX::Dave Smith 09:14:10 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:00.88 PF=2179 IO=2479 	 > MEM=306 G > XXXXXX::Dave Smith 09:14:12 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:00.94 PF=2179 IO=2564u	 > MEM=306 G > XXXXXX::Dave Smith 09:14:13 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:00.98 PF=2179 IO=2655s	 > MEM=306c > E > If I can make a shameless plug for Hunter Goatley's HGFTP freeware,VJ > that's the FTP client I actually use, and it does implement a nifty CTRL > T feature, e.g.  > 2 > FTP:xxxxxx> put CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1 > <200 TYPE set to IMAGE.D* > <227 Entering Passive Mode (x,y,z,a,b,c)" > <150 Opening data connection forJ > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[XXXXXXXX]CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1 (x.y.z.a,61243)H > XXXXXX::Dave Smith 09:16:10 FTP       CPU=00:00:02.47 PF=2495 IO=28880	 > MEM=231sI > [sending file xxxxx:[xxxxxxxx.internet]cpq-axpvms-omsva-v0102--1.pcsi;1c& > to CPQ-AXPVMS-OMSVA-V0102--1.PCSI;1]J > %FTP-I-PERCENT, 2148352 bytes (4196/15584 blocks), 26%, in 00:00:02.31 = > 930022 cps, IO=1049 < > %FTP-I-REMTIME, Estimated time remaining:    0 00:00:06.00 >     ? FWIW - with Multinet you can get the information with a CTRL-A:   5 FTP.MULTINET.PROCESS.COM>get multinet_admin_guide.pdf     To local file: [ <VMS retrieve of /anonymous_root/docs/pdf/multinet_admin_guide.pdf (5296640 bytes) started.-j [2920 bytes received in 1 seconds (2920 cps) (0%) 1812 seconds remaining for file MULTINET_ADMIN_GUIDE.PDFl [237448 bytes received in 2 seconds (118724 cps) (4%) 42 seconds remaining for file MULTINET_ADMIN_GUIDE.PDF     regardse Mike   -- EK +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ D Michael Corbett                           Email: Corbett@process.comB Process Software                          Phone: 800 722-7770 x369B 959 Concord St.                                  508 879-6994 x369= Framingham MA 01701-4682                  FAX:   508 879-0042D   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:05:37 +0200$ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at> Subject: Re: tcp/ip == UCX0 Message-ID: <anuoni$f73$1@newsreader1.netway.at>  ( "David M Smith" <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote >-G > >    Not yet having seen TCPIP V5.3, can anyone reveal if CTRL/T doesjI > > anything so nice in its FTP client as the PathWay client did (several " > > years ago) during a transfer?: > >@ >t? > No, sorry. Here is a sample from my system (ignore wrapping):   A Then i guess you have not been using the right version, have you.c3 Example from my system ( ignore wrapping ), running.+ TCP/IP Services 5.3 ECO 01 on OpenVMS 7.3-1a   FTP> get icq2000a.exea 200 PORT command successful.I 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for icq2000a.exe (6448417 bytes).0I SGWS2::GPF-Pro-1 15:34:09 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:00.69 PF=631 IO=523 MEM=344aE GET (IMAGE)            215040 bytes 00:00:01.07 elapsed (196.08 KB/S)e/       Local: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]icq2000a.exe;1y      Remote: icq2000a.exeTI SGWS2::GPF-Pro-1 15:34:11 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:00.75 PF=632 IO=574 MEM=345nE GET (IMAGE)            645120 bytes 00:00:02.82 elapsed (222.69 KB/S)d/       Local: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]icq2000a.exe;16      Remote: icq2000a.exe I SGWS2::GPF-Pro-1 15:34:12 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:00.91 PF=632 IO=612 MEM=345 E GET (IMAGE)            952320 bytes 00:00:04.17 elapsed (222.81 KB/S)a/       Local: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]icq2000a.exe;1       Remote: icq2000a.exedI SGWS2::GPF-Pro-1 15:34:13 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:00.96 PF=632 IO=639 MEM=3450E GET (IMAGE)           1167360 bytes 00:00:05.11 elapsed (222.92 KB/S) /       Local: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]icq2000a.exe;17      Remote: icq2000a.exel  Cancel   & 425 Data connection error: Broken pipe  	 FTP> quitd  K ( the 222.92 kbytes is an internet connection, that explains the lame speedk .)     Peter    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:17:59 -0400 (EDT)! From: lynch@myriad.middlebury.edu9. Subject: TCPIP RSH errors in command procedure2 Message-ID: <02100813175975@myriad.middlebury.edu>   Hello,   Configuration as follows:u  >  Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 3;   on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS10 617 MHz running OpenVMS V7.3W  B I switched from Multinet to TCP/IP when I upgraded to the DS10 and now I'm sorry!  A I have an rsh command that was working great under Multinet, but oC won't work under TCP/IP.  It works fine from the command line, but T3 gives an odd error from within a command procedure.f   Here's the code snippet:  < $ echo == "rsh /user=xxx /pass=xxxxx  goldencat pass-client"  $ defin/user sys$output junk.dat $ echo 'barcode' 'pin_number'r $ search/noout junk.dat passed  E As I said, interactively this works fine.  The pass-client executableMC returns passed (or failed) to the screen and to the file just fine.   9 But, from within a command procedure I see the following:    $ echo nnnnnn nnnnnn+ %RSH-E-INETERROR, Internet interface error .'  -RSH-I-INETCALL, bind(), stdin/stdout uH  -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation  6 The file junk.dat gets created, but it's always empty.  2 I have tried using the /log qualifier to no avail.  8 I'm sure it's something simple, but it's plum evaded me!  ! Helpful suggestions most welcome.a   -MikeWO _______________________________________________________________________________aG Michael S. Lynch, Systems Librarian         LYNCH@MYRIAD.MIDDLEBURY.EDU : Middlebury College Libraries                (802) 443-5205@ Middlebury, Vermont 05753                   (802) 443-2074 (fax)O _______________________________________________________________________________r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:44:51 -0400/ From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@mansply.com>  Subject: THe cleanup continues! ; Message-ID: <001a01c26ed0$e079b240$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>   A I have 2 Alphaserver 1000/266 boxes that are avialalbe for parts.t5 2 Mother boards, lots of memory, nic and video cards.   2 Anyone need /want any of this contact me off list!   Hank Vander Waal hvanderw at mansply.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:50:52 +01002 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 DCL / MX 4 Message-ID: <anu67k$24n$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  F "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:3da1eac2$1@news.si.com...( > >That's interesting - what sets them ? >e > SYLOGICALS.COM, of course.  8 Oh - OK. If it's required, I'd've expected MX to set it.  K > We found some behavioral issues with mail when we installed VMS V7.2 thatd> > using the MAIL$PROTOCOL_xxx logicals and doing away with the( > MAIL$INTERNET_TRANSPORT logical fixed.   Tried it, anyway.a  
 No change:  % $ mail nl: mx%agent-12345/subj="Test"I' $ mail nl: mx%"agent-12345"/subj="Test"    both give the same result:4 My (self) copy shows MX%AGENT-12345 on the To: line.6 I get an automated bounce from the postmaster (below).L The really curious thing about all this is that the bounce message shows theL correct translated address marcus@here.co.uk on the To: line of the rejectedG message (as it did before I defined the protocol logical), although the  message doesn't get there.   Chrise/ Note: this message was generated automatically.u  F An error was detected while processing the enclosed message. A list of  F the affected recipients follows. This list is in a special format that  G allows software like LISTSERV to automatically take action on incorrectr  3 addresses; you can safely ignore the numeric codes.h   --> Error description:  # Error-For: <agent-12345@here.co.uk>i  
 Error-Code: 3    Error-Text: No such local user   Error-End: 1 error detectede  ' ------------------------------ Rejecteda& message ------------------------------  G Received: by here.co.uk (MX V5.0) id 44; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:33:02 +0100-  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:33:01 +0100  . From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@here.co.uk>   To: marcus@here.co.uk:   CC: Chris.Sharman@here.co.uk  - Message-ID: <00A15236.29052D3B.44@here.co.uk>v  $ Subject: Test 2 - please acknowledge  G _______________________________________________________________________w  	 Signature3   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2002 10:42:30 -0600t- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ?3 Message-ID: <FgiY29Se2CNQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>s   In article <rdeininger-0610022043360001@1cust221.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  H > VMS developers making new installers should use PCSI.  There are a few& > reasons to use VMSINSTAL, including: > = > 1. You are targeting a version of VMS without PCSI support.hL > 2. You already have a VMSINSTAL, and don't want to do the work to convert.  > 3. You plan to deliver the resulting kit on an ISO-9660 CDROM,>    since PCSI produces file identifiers longer than allowed by the ISO-9660 standard.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.556 ************************