1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 557       Contents: Re: 'hobbyist' vms0 Re: A warning to use bounds checking in BASIC(?)0 Re: A warning to use bounds checking in BASIC(?)! Re: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS  Re: Apparently SUN listens. Re: C - overlaying variables in the same PSECT# Re: C: sizeof question with structs # Re: C: sizeof question with structs # Re: C: sizeof question with structs # RE: C: sizeof question with structs # CDRECORD 1.8.1 privilege(s) needed?  Re: Disable access log on CSWS Re: Disable access log on CSWS Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: DLT8000 do not stream G Re: Does anyone think that this is a good idea Was Re: ds10L + sound .. ! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)  ES45 Going cheap ! Re: ES45 Going cheap ! Fiorina speaks at Gartner  Re: Fiorina speaks at Gartner % Re: Grant an identifier to an image ? ! Grant an identifier to an image ? % Re: Grant an identifier to an image ? % Re: Grant an identifier to an image ? % Re: Grant an identifier to an image ? % Re: Grant an identifier to an image ? ! Re: Help with Multinet FTP please ! Re: Help with Multinet FTP please  Re: Hobbyist kit Contents  Re: Hobbyist kit Contents  Re: Hobbyist kit Contents 7 RE: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! * Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and TCPware 5.6 questionP Re: singular and plural of VAX (was: Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP7 Re: Tally Printer causing overflow data underrun errors 1 The Cluster Seminar HP should be giving about VMS 0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these) Re: VMS performance software Re: VMS performance software/ Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ? " RE: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?" Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ? XP1000 Build your own !   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:19:07 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: 'hobbyist' vms ' Message-ID: <3DA3921A.88188A51@fsi.net>    Bob Koehler wrote: > c > In article <anljau02vhc@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:  > > N > > From what I was told a couple days ago (admitadly not by them), apparentlyL > > they've decided to no longer offer a Hobbyist version of their emulator. > F >    For a while their hobbyist page had an explanaiton.  Now I can no% >    longer find their hobbyist page.   C As it was explained to me, it was partly their fault. They made the H hobbyist version time restricted, presumably due to the lack of anythingE similar to LMF in the host (Windows) environment. Someone figured out F how to defeat that, posted it on the web, and the rest - as they say -= is history. Had they just found some creative ways to make it H cripple-ware, yet still useful to the hobbyist, it might still be around today.   Hindsight is always 20/20...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 20:50:21 +0100 - From: Gerald Marsh <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk> 9 Subject: Re: A warning to use bounds checking in BASIC(?) 8 Message-ID: <19d6qug2n635et3nnrhi9pkrlovbdu2jhh@4ax.com>  D On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:32:18 -0500, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote:  0 >On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:42:54 -0700, "Randy Park"' ><rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> wrote:  >  >  > 9 >>Int_Array1 has 6 elements (0 to 5) and Int_Array2 has 4 @ >>elements (0 to 3).  The compiler probably allocates Int_Array2< >>immediatly after Int_Array1 in the same PSECT.  There's no< >>gap in allocation between these two arrays.  Other integer= >>data may follow in the same PSECT, but aligned on an 8 byte  >>boundary.  > F >I have actually had code (a long time ago) that worked for years, but= >after some upgrade(s), linked together differently and began C >displaying this kind of (latent) bug.  After the re-compile and/or D >re-link, the variables mapped differently, and a sub-sub-subroutineF >working on a passed parameter, overflowed it and wrote over data in a? >completely different variable way back up in the main routine.  > C >It never hurts to test fully with bounds checks on.  If you really C >test well enough, you may want to turn these checks off when going = >into production (it may help performance in some busy apps).   A Thank you Randy for your response. (And everyone else - I've been D working with OpenVMS for twenty odd years and am still amazed at how little I know!)   D The original problem I was investigating was with debugging  a BasicE program where the debugger had a stack overflow. The Basic program is A calling a Bliss subroutine which in turn is calling another Bliss E subroutine in the same Bliss module. The situation is very similar to A that described above. When run without the debugger, an ACCVIO is D produced (but no Basic mem managemen violation message!). If steppedB through with the debugger the damn things works at it has over the last few years!   A The only change is we've upgraded MQueue and there is a necessary  relink.   C I had a good discussion with Neil Edwards of the UK HP CSC today on E this - He was very helpful even though it does not suggest a debugger 0 bug nor an OpenVMS one. (Credit where it's due.)  - (Does BLISS have a /CHECK=BOUNDS equivalent?)    Bye and thanks again,    Gerald.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 02:18:32 +0100 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>9 Subject: Re: A warning to use bounds checking in BASIC(?) 0 Message-ID: <3DA383E8.91E74F6C@blueyonder.co.uk>   Gerald Marsh wrote:    F > The original problem I was investigating was with debugging  a BasicG > program where the debugger had a stack overflow. The Basic program is C > calling a Bliss subroutine which in turn is calling another Bliss G > subroutine in the same Bliss module. The situation is very similar to C > that described above. When run without the debugger, an ACCVIO is F > produced (but no Basic mem managemen violation message!). If steppedD > through with the debugger the damn things works at it has over the > last few years!    H Do you mean you are running the same .exe with and without the debugger,D or are you relinking and compiling /debug before using the debugger? --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:13:37 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> * Subject: Re: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS' Message-ID: <3DA390D1.51DB4855@fsi.net>    jlsue wrote: > . > On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:16:37 -0400, JF Mezei' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  >  > >Brian Tillman wrote: O > >> Could you make this a little more compatible with other TCP/IP stacks?  In 0 > >> particular, the /SERVER qualifier is betterO > >> written /HOST (to correspond with the qualfier in Multinet and TCPware and K > >> to be more in line with the -h (i.e., host) option in Unix versions of  > >> whois). > >  > >Suggestion noted. > B > The beauty of using a .cld with this tool would be that you just. > define a synonym - no code changes required.  D Can you define a synonym for a qualifier? I know you can for a verb, but... --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:37:45 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> # Subject: Re: Apparently SUN listens & Message-ID: <3DA39679.23F4F66@fsi.net>   Ed Wilts wrote:  >  > John Smith wrote: 6 > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,588641,00.asp > >  > > October 3, 2002 . > > In Reversal, Sun to Ship $99 Solaris 9 x86 > G > I snipped the entire copyrighted article which was most likely posted  > without permission.  > 8 > This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with VMS.   Well, actually, yes it has.   C A session was held at HP/ETS-2002 this eve. (wish I could have been @ there) called, "HP Listens" (we'll see if they do or not - earlyB indications leave room for cautious optimism), just as there was aE "Digital Listens" (they didn't) panel at DECUS and a "Compaq Listens" $ (they didn't, either) panel at CETS.  G As was pointed here, pertinent to the constant barrage of pleading that B is launched at OpenVMS Mgt. for effective marketing of VMS and forF affordable VMS for end users, Sun was barraged by its user groups withH protests when they elected to drop Solaris/Intel without first giving itH an adequate chance to acquire a foothold in the market. Likewise, we areH still pleading with OpenVMS Mgt. to actively and aggressively market VMSH and to price its product competitively so the market for it can be grownF by the few of us left who are still gung-ho enough to try and pull VMSE out of the fire in which it is slowly burning away to a fine ash that E will then be swept away in Mariah's wake, never more to be a force in ( the world of commercial data processing.  E No doubt, John's point in posting was to emphasize, albeit to perhaps F the wrong audience, that listening to a product's user base can indeedF be a good thing, as long expectations about the product are realistic.F As long as a windfall is expected from every sale and sales are soughtE by stealth, VMS will languish in ignominity until it simply ceases to  exist.  H Sorry if that sounds negative. It is, none the less, realistic and quite" probable based on history to date.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:41:01 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> 7 Subject: Re: C - overlaying variables in the same PSECT / Message-ID: <uq69lt97jekea5@corp.supernews.com>   0 Farrell, Michael <MFarrell@voltdelta.com> wrote:K : I personally don't like to use unions.  I find them to be awkward to use.   J : Instead, I declare a pointer of each type I want to map and point all of9 : those pointers to the same starting address.  As an old   B C is flexible enough to do something like variable overlaying manyE ways (I happen to like unions - they let the reader know exctaly what 0 the author intended), but, hey, to each his own.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:36:25 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> , Subject: Re: C: sizeof question with structs/ Message-ID: <uq69d94n780n2c@corp.supernews.com>   " Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:2 : I find it a bit tortured, I think the expression : size(element) = : As used in PL/I is more elegant;  moreover; you can do this   @ How do you distinguish between the sam element name in different structures?     > : on dynamically sized variables, which , of course, C doesn't : even support.   > Sure it does ... see malloc(), calloc(), realloc() and free().   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:38:13 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> , Subject: Re: C: sizeof question with structs/ Message-ID: <uq69gldoalrc5d@corp.supernews.com>   $ Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:3 : It is an "interesting" construct that will puzzle  : many maintenance programmers.   " As would the macro for offsetof().    That's why we have comments  :')   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:29:32 +0200 6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>, Subject: Re: C: sizeof question with structs) Message-ID: <3DA3402C.4050802@vajhoej.dk>    Z wrote:  $ > Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:@ > : on dynamically sized variables, which , of course, C doesn't > : even support.  > @ > Sure it does ... see malloc(), calloc(), realloc() and free().    8 That is dynamically allocated variables not dynamicallyy sized variables.  2 Different syntax and different semantics. Actually2 dynamically sized variables are more like good old alloca.   . BTW, GNU C has had dynamically sized variables0 for a long time and if you see another response,- then DEC/Digital/Compaq/HP C also got it now.    Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:35:50 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> , Subject: RE: C: sizeof question with structs9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEAIFOAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- ( >From: Z [mailto:zarlenga@conan.ids.net]) >Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:36 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- >Subject: Re: C: sizeof question with structs  >  > # >Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote: 3 >: I find it a bit tortured, I think the expression  >: size(element)> >: As used in PL/I is more elegant;  moreover; you can do this > A >How do you distinguish between the sam element name in different  >structures?  = If there is an ambiguity, the compiler will tell you so.  But = you can (and some would say should) fully qualify the name to @ remove any potential ambiguity.  the size builtin function isn't@ restricted to element names, it could be an array of structures,= for example.  In PL/I, sizes in declarations can be any valid B expression, which is a little different that your mallocs and ilk.? Truly dynamically sized variables are a lot more sophisticated, = particularly if you have to support optional bounds and range ? checking, prologues have to be performed upon stack activation,  just to cite an example.     >  > ? >: on dynamically sized variables, which , of course, C doesn't  >: even support. > ? >Sure it does ... see malloc(), calloc(), realloc() and free().  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:17:06 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org, Subject: CDRECORD 1.8.1 privilege(s) needed?) Message-ID: <02100819170607@antinode.org>   H    Using CDRECORD 1.8.1 on an AlpSta 200 4/233 running VMS V7.2-1.  WithB ALL privileges, it's fine.  With only NETMBX and TMPMBX, it fails:   [...] 0 cdrecord: Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder.C cdrecord: i/o error. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: retryable error  CDB:  00 00 00 00 00 00  status: 0x0 (GOOD STATUS) % cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 40s < cdrecord: The unit seems to be hung and needs power cycling.  #    Device permissions are generous:   ' ALP $ show security /class = device cdr   # _ALP$DKB500: object of class DEVICE       Owner: [SYSTEM]C      Protection: (System: RWPL, Owner: RWPL, Group: R, World: RWPL) !      Access Control List: <empty>   G    I'd like to know what the critical privilege set is, so I won't have < to do the long search.  Any valid info would be appreciated.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home) C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work) 9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 20:17:33 +0200 6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>' Subject: Re: Disable access log on CSWS ) Message-ID: <3DA3213D.9080703@vajhoej.dk>    Rick Barry wrote:   N > There is a serialization bottleneck when the Apache servers are doing accessN > logging that we plan to take a look at. It's not disk I/O latency that's the
 > problem.  1 I am a bit confused. I do not know anything about 7 Apache. But I can not understand why this serialization 6 problem should be less for NLA0: than for access.log ?   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2002 20:52:53 GMT 1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) ' Subject: Re: Disable access log on CSWS : Message-ID: <anvgj5$jo2$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  C In message <3DA3213D.9080703@vajhoej.dk>, <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: 2 >I am a bit confused. I do not know anything about8 >Apache. But I can not understand why this serialization7 >problem should be less for NLA0: than for access.log ?   F NLA0: is a record-oriented device, so RMS may very well have differentO serialization issues (buffering, deferred writes, etc) with it than with a disk  file.       < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 04:21:05 GMT ( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters ? Message-ID: <R8Oo9.2911$F53.2769788@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   3 "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message 2 news:dr4rpuc7ai2l8gk1p7v3jt63dfcbc8u6a2@4ax.com...F > On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:11:48 GMT, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> > wrote: >  > L > >However...NODEA never regained SCS communications with the cluster, so itJ > >never CLUEXITed.  It sat waiting for more votes to give it quroum.  TheL > >TCPIP link from the NT App server remained open.  One could actually PINGI > >NODEA on the netword and get a response.  The NT application hung, for  wantL > >of the disk activity that needed to happen on OpenVMS' NODEA but couldn'tF > >for lack of QUORUM.  It failed to failover because it still had its > >connection. > > G > >This demonstrates that not only must OpenVMS respond to the disaster K > >tolerent configurations, but the the network connections and distributed K > >applications must also be designed with site disaster tolerence in mind.  > >  > G > If an application is going to go through the trouble of being able to G > switch server nodes for "fault tolerance", it seems logical that they 2 > would implement keep-alive timers in it as well.   You'd think.  ;^)    Todd   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:31:20 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>" Subject: Re: DLT8000 do not stream& Message-ID: <3DA33288.9080904@home.nl>  = When you mount the tape for backup, do you use the qualifier  2 /cache=tape_data ? If not, that may be the answer.   Regards,   Dirk   Valentin Likoum wrote:   >Hello all,  > A >  I have a problem with our brand new Tandberg DLT8000 drive - I 0 >didn't manage to force it to stream constantly.F >  Background: VMS 7.3 with relevant patches applied, ES40 2x667 CPUs,F >8G memory, 2 3X-KZPCA-AA adapters (one dedicated to tape, 3R-A0919-AAE >10K rpm disks connected to another one). Both adapters are installed  >in the same PCI bus. B >  After reading docs and many advices about tuning backup account3 >quotas I set up the account with following params: B >wsextent = wsquota = wsdefault = PQL_MWSEXTENT = WSMAX = 1421312,: >fillm = 1000, diolm = 30000, astlm = 31000, biolm = 4000,4 >bytlm = 500000, enqlm = 32767, pgflquota = 2000000.E >  Drives and adapters don't carry another load but backup, disks are G >not fragmented at all. Tape INITed with /media=compact/density=DLT8000 E >qualifiers. I do backup with the same /media and /density qualifiers E >and blocksize=65535. But during backup I hear that the tape drive do H >stop/start sequence every few seconds (~4 seconds for compressible dataB >and ~9 seconds for zip files). Calculated speed is 4.7 MB/sec forG >incompressible (zip) data and 7.4 MB/sec for compressible data, though E >should be 6 MB/sec. native speed and 12 MB/sec. for 2:1 compression. ? >Backup job read the source disk every 50-60 sec., so IMHO disk E >throughput is not the issue. OK, I never dream to reach max declared B >numbers (6/12 MB/sec) but those frequent start-stops frighten me. >  So the questions:B >  1. Are those start-stops normal or they mean shoe-shine effect?A >  2. That else can be done to increase throughput and force tape  >  drive to stream? D >  3. Why real wsquota and wsdefault for backup process occurs to beD >  1048576 though all workset quotas for account and for batch queue >  are set to 1421312? > 
 >  Thank you.  >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:25:52 +0100 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>P Subject: Re: Does anyone think that this is a good idea Was Re: ds10L + sound ..0 Message-ID: <3DA32330.5CFB30DE@blueyonder.co.uk>  9 "peter.watkinson1@ ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)" wrote:  > # > On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:47:41 GMT, @ > peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) wrote: > H > I had an idea - maybe someone could produce a small rack mount cabinetD > you could fit under your desk. That way you could have say up to 5G > ds10l/ds20L under your desk clustered and then you could use just one F > most of the time and then if you wanted to do some serious gaming orH > more seriously floating point you could switch on the other 4. ImagineG > that 10 EV6 1ghz or maybe now ev7 under your desk! How many Gigaflops  > would that be? > & > It's possible to pick up DS10Ls from >  > http://www.islandco.com  >  > for $995US > F > I suppose you don't need a specially built rackmount cabinet there's3 > probably something from desk shops that would do.  > E > I thought it would be a good idea to have maybe a laptop on the top 3 > rack - though that would probably have to be x86.  > D > Also I thought it would good idea for those in Academic places who1 > need a lot of power or Research establishments.  > D > Out of interest does anyone, Dave, know how much a DS20L costs? Of- > course these don't run VMS for some reason.  > 1 > Does anyone think that this idea has any merit?   I Well, when I was back in academia we deployed AS255's in a rack like that H as a compute farm, not quite under the desk but they are 3U form factor.  M Not sure its the best way to go these days, how parallel is your application.    regards,    --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:55:12 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) * Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)+ Message-ID: <anv660$8hc$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   b In article <3DA30949.1060504@vajhoej.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: >Brian Tillman wrote:  > 3 >>>Not the version of Endymion Mailman my ISP uses.  >>> 6 >>>If I delete email via the web-interface, then it is! >>>gone when I download via POP3.  >  > J >> Perhaps there are config options for Mailman.  Perhaps I haven't testedO >> exactly this case.  What I definitely have seen is that, if I use Mailman to O >> check if I have new messages (without reading any of them) and then I use my F >> POP client to load them to my PC, they are gone from the mail storeO >> (sendmail on a Unix machine).  However, I can still see them (and read them)  >> in Mailman. >  >   " There are two editions of Mailman.F A standard edition which views mailboxes directly from the POP3 serverE and a Professional edition which downloads the mail to a store on the 
 webserver.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >No so at my ISP.  > > >I can read them via MailMan and then get them via POP3 later. > 9 >And when they are downloaded via POP3, then they are not " >available via MailMan any longer. >  >Which is the behaviour I want.  >  >Arne  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:21:23 -0400, From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> Subject: ES45 Going cheap ! B Message-ID: <FDIo9.55812$OM4.34002375@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>   DA-68DAA-AA  ES45 Base system 1Ghz CPU 5 Unix Unlimited License (yes I know but some VMS sites  use DEC Unix too!)   New Open Box $32,000  4 We could also provide it as a VMS system for $37,000  3 Add $2000 for 4GB Island Memory (lifetime warranty)    -- Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory St, Ste 180 Savannah GA 31404, USA Tel: (00) 1 912 447 662  Fax: (00) 1 912 201 0096 sales@hpaq.net www.islandco.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:49:40 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: ES45 Going cheap ! I Message-ID: <rdeininger-0810022249400001@1cust9.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   I In article <FDIo9.55812$OM4.34002375@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>, "David & Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote:   >DA-68DAA-AA >ES45 Base system 1Ghz CPU6 >Unix Unlimited License (yes I know but some VMS sites >use DEC Unix too!)  >  >New Open Box $32,000  > 5 >We could also provide it as a VMS system for $37,000  > 4 >Add $2000 for 4GB Island Memory (lifetime warranty)  H If a customer wants to switch operating systems, the unix license shouldJ have trade-in value toward a VMS license.  Does your VMS price account for that?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:33:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> " Subject: Fiorina speaks at Gartner, Message-ID: <3DA35D38.2CF3E7D9@videotron.ca>  4 H-P's CEO Says Co Can Handle Dell In Printer Market      10/08/02 11:53am     By Donna Fuscaldo    Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES  M   ORLANDO, Fla. -(Dow Jones)- Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ) Chief Executive Carly I Fiorina said  Tuesday that Dell Computer Corp.'s (DELL) entrance into the , printer market has not created fear  at H-P. <...>   M   In the case of H-P's information technology services business, Fiorina said J the computer consulting industry will continue to incur losses and will beM characterized by consolidation.  Consulting, she added, is a low-margin, low-  profit business.  K   Where Fiorina does see opportunity is in managed services. H-P, she said, J will grow that business  through partnerships and "possibly" acquisitions.  N   During the presentation, Fiorina defended H-P's enterprise systems business,J which includes servers and has been losing money. She said H-P lost marketH share in the May-June time frame, as it completed its merger with Compaq3 Computer Corp., but is intent on taking back share.   N   H-P is accelerating plans to cut costs in its enterprise unit, with the bulk< of the most-recent  announced layoffs coming from that unit.  F   In late September H-P announced it would lay off an additional 1,800T employees, beyond the 15,000 it said it would shed following the merger with Compaq.  E   Fiorina also reiterated Tuesday that H-P remains at or ahead of its   integration goals for cost cuts.  U   -By Donna Fuscaldo; Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-5253; donna.fuscaldo@ dowjones.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:38:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> & Subject: Re: Fiorina speaks at Gartner, Message-ID: <3DA35E76.816ACBF2@videotron.ca>  O >   In the case of H-P's information technology services business, Fiorina said L > the computer consulting industry will continue to incur losses and will beO > characterized by consolidation.  Consulting, she added, is a low-margin, low-  > profit business.  L Can someone explain why it is often said that the services division is a bigN money maker, but now it seems that consulting is a money loser ? Is consulting part of the services business ?   M >   Where Fiorina does see opportunity is in managed services. H-P, she said, L > will grow that business  through partnerships and "possibly" acquisitions.  H Funny. Not long before june 25, which would coincide with Curly secretlyN starting discussions with Carly, Curly had announced a brand new bold plan forL Compaq (remember the 180 days turn around ?) which would involve growing theL services business through acquisitions and partnerships. A few months later, Compaq was acquired by HP ;-)   P >   During the presentation, Fiorina defended H-P's enterprise systems business,L > which includes servers and has been losing money. She said H-P lost marketJ > share in the May-June time frame, as it completed its merger with Compaq5 > Computer Corp., but is intent on taking back share.    At least they admit it.   P >   H-P is accelerating plans to cut costs in its enterprise unit, with the bulk> > of the most-recent  announced layoffs coming from that unit.  N Now, that is scary. Can anyone detail where in "enterprise" the cuts are being made ?    I Is it in enterprise wintel ? (an oxymoron, isn't it ?), storage ? or real 6 enterprise systems sucha s VMS, Tru64, HP-UX, Tandem ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:30:17 GMT $ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU. Subject: Re: Grant an identifier to an image ?8 Message-ID: <00A15268.117A4104@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  \ In article <3DA35B3A.BBBB3831@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:7 >I know I can INSTALL an image and grant it privileges.  > A >But its it possible to grant an image just a rights identifier ?  > M >For instance, instead of giving an image SYSPRV to access a secured file, it M >would be nice to grant it some identifier that would then enable any user to F >run the image and gain access to only that file. From an audit/systemL >management point of view, it would make it easier to accept such a utility.  M I think you just invented subsystem identifiers, which have been around for a O couple of releases.  (Unfortunately, I haven't used them, so I can't give you a  good example.)   -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:25:02 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> * Subject: Grant an identifier to an image ?, Message-ID: <3DA35B3A.BBBB3831@videotron.ca>  6 I know I can INSTALL an image and grant it privileges.  @ But its it possible to grant an image just a rights identifier ?  L For instance, instead of giving an image SYSPRV to access a secured file, itL would be nice to grant it some identifier that would then enable any user toE run the image and gain access to only that file. From an audit/system K management point of view, it would make it easier to accept such a utility.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:45:40 GMT + From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> . Subject: Re: Grant an identifier to an image ?< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0210081543290.5696-100000@jaipur>  G This is what subsystems identifiers are for.  Subsystem identifiers are F essentially "installing an image with an identifier".  Except that you don't have to use INSTALL.  6 Just make an ACL that specifies a subsystem identifer.  H Read the Guide to System security to get the details.  There's a chapter on protected subsystems.  # On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, JF Mezei wrote:   8 > I know I can INSTALL an image and grant it privileges. > B > But its it possible to grant an image just a rights identifier ? > N > For instance, instead of giving an image SYSPRV to access a secured file, itN > would be nice to grant it some identifier that would then enable any user toG > run the image and gain access to only that file. From an audit/system M > management point of view, it would make it easier to accept such a utility.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:55:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> . Subject: Re: Grant an identifier to an image ?, Message-ID: <3DA37053.AD9DD1A0@videotron.ca>   Ryan Moore wrote: J > Read the Guide to System security to get the details.  There's a chapter > on protected subsystems.   Thanks for the pointer.    Here is the relevant info:  F UAF> ADD/IDENTIFIER MEMBERS_SUBSYSTEM /ATTRIBUTES=(SUBSYSTEM,RESOURCE)  Q $SET SECURITY/ACL=(IDENTIFIER=MEMBERS_SUBSYSTEM,  ACCESS=CONTROL) MEMBER_LIST.EXE       So it is simpler than I thought.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 04:18:38 GMT + From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> . Subject: Re: Grant an identifier to an image ?< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0210082116090.5761-100000@jaipur>  3 Not quite. You didn't read the manual close enough.   = SET SEC/ACL=(SUBSYSTEM,id=members_subsystem)  member_list.exe    Then on the critical file:  ; set sec /acl=(id=members_subsystem,acc=(whatever)) list.txt   @ Oh, and you have to mount the disk with the executable using the6 /SUBSYSTEM qualifier to enable subsystems on the disk.  # On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, JF Mezei wrote:s   > Ryan Moore wrote:oL > > Read the Guide to System security to get the details.  There's a chapter > > on protected subsystems. >o > Thanks for the pointer.l >e > Here is the relevant info: >iH > UAF> ADD/IDENTIFIER MEMBERS_SUBSYSTEM /ATTRIBUTES=(SUBSYSTEM,RESOURCE) >nS > $SET SECURITY/ACL=(IDENTIFIER=MEMBERS_SUBSYSTEM,  ACCESS=CONTROL) MEMBER_LIST.EXEu >  >D" > So it is simpler than I thought. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 00:56:35 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> . Subject: Re: Grant an identifier to an image ?, Message-ID: <3DA3B702.505980AE@videotron.ca>   Ryan Moore wrote:gB > Oh, and you have to mount the disk with the executable using the8 > /SUBSYSTEM qualifier to enable subsystems on the disk.  N Oh shucks. That is a showstopper then.  If you make a small utility that wouldI benefit from protected subsystems, it may be too much trouble for variousgE system managers to change their systems to support just that utility.P  J Out of curiosity, can the system disk be mounted with /SUBSYSTEM enabled ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:50:58 -0500"1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> * Subject: Re: Help with Multinet FTP please' Message-ID: <3DA39992.421E296C@fsi.net>s   Alder wrote: > H > My two staff and I spend about 50% of our workday logged into a Cognos> > Powerhouse application - let's call it REX - that provides aI > character-cell front-end for our Oracle Rdb database running on OpenVMSoI > Alpha 7.2-2.  The users all run Windows 2000 and access the application H > using telnet from a popular terminal emulator.  Since support for thisJ > application has all but evaporated, I was hoping to find some ideas here9 > for how to solve a particular problem we've run across.J > J > Several canned reports are hard-coded to produce printed documents.  TheG > documents are also saved on the Alpha as text files with names in thejG > form: "REX_reportid_username_date_randomnumber.rpt".  We'd like to be I > able to forego the printed version and simply e-mail the text file. OneyB > possibility is to have our programmer/analyst use Powerhouse, orD > whatever else is needed, to e-mail the output file from VMS to theH > person who created the report, allowing the user to then forward it on
 > from there.x > D > But is there another way to get this done entirely from the user'sB > systems?  The terminal emulator includes a fairly powerful macroG > language capable of automating FTP and ODBC sessions, but identifyingaI > the correct file to grab from VMS with these tools is a problem for us. E >   Doing it manually simply involves getting a directory listing and F > checking for the most recent file with the right reportid, date, andI > username; but, how can we do this using FTP (Multinet 4.3)?  I think ifdI > we can get that problem solved, we could cobble together something witho/ > the emulator's macro language to do the rest.  > I > Perhaps there are other ways to do this?  If so, I'd greatly appreciatec > hearing about them.w   Please see the following links:S" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/4 http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/dclintro/index.htm4 http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/dclinter/index.htm  G (Sorry - there's no Advanced DCL Programming presentation available yetoD - one of those things that should have happened for HP/ETS-2002, but didn't.)  H If you require further asssistance, e-mail me privately - how to de-mung' the reply-to address should be obvious.m   -- . David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsw http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 03:12:11 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: Help with Multinet FTP please, Message-ID: <3DA39E8A.3030807@spammotel.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Alder wrote: > H >>My two staff and I spend about 50% of our workday logged into a Cognos> >>Powerhouse application - let's call it REX - that provides aI >>character-cell front-end for our Oracle Rdb database running on OpenVMSiI >>Alpha 7.2-2.  The users all run Windows 2000 and access the applicationrH >>using telnet from a popular terminal emulator.  Since support for thisJ >>application has all but evaporated, I was hoping to find some ideas here9 >>for how to solve a particular problem we've run across.n >>J >>Several canned reports are hard-coded to produce printed documents.  TheG >>documents are also saved on the Alpha as text files with names in thekG >>form: "REX_reportid_username_date_randomnumber.rpt".  We'd like to benI >>able to forego the printed version and simply e-mail the text file. OneiB >>possibility is to have our programmer/analyst use Powerhouse, orD >>whatever else is needed, to e-mail the output file from VMS to theH >>person who created the report, allowing the user to then forward it on
 >>from there.e >>D >>But is there another way to get this done entirely from the user'sB >>systems?  The terminal emulator includes a fairly powerful macroG >>language capable of automating FTP and ODBC sessions, but identifyingoI >>the correct file to grab from VMS with these tools is a problem for us.)E >>  Doing it manually simply involves getting a directory listing andaF >>checking for the most recent file with the right reportid, date, andI >>username; but, how can we do this using FTP (Multinet 4.3)?  I think if I >>we can get that problem solved, we could cobble together something withA/ >>the emulator's macro language to do the rest.w >>I >>Perhaps there are other ways to do this?  If so, I'd greatly appreciates >>hearing about them.  >  > ! > Please see the following links:o$ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/6 > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/dclintro/index.htm6 > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/dclinter/index.htm > I > (Sorry - there's no Advanced DCL Programming presentation available yetdF > - one of those things that should have happened for HP/ETS-2002, but
 > didn't.) > J > If you require further asssistance, e-mail me privately - how to de-mung) > the reply-to address should be obvious.a >     G I'm happy to report that some lateral thinking around this problem has tE resulted in a rather simple solution.  Apparently, two copies of the iC text file can be produced each time a report is generated.  If the -D second copy is given a name that only includes the reportid and the E username, grabbing the latest file just after it is produced will be HD made MUCH simpler.  Since the terminal emulator we use can have its H macros activated by host control sequences, we can also add an "E-MAIL" D option to the list of printer locations we have to choose from (but A never use) and get the Powerhouse app to send back the necessary  F activation string once the user submits the request for a report.  It K can then run FTP to grab the file and get it attached to an Outlook e-mail.n  G Now, if I can only get the Powerhouse support staff to put our project  - on its radar screen, we'll have what we need.s   Thanks for your suggestions,   Aldero   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2002 18:08:24 -0600i- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r" Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit Contents3 Message-ID: <GQW2XEqAGR8l@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  G In article <3DA24A59.E9F7E31@osfn.org>, RCS / RI <rcs@osfn.org> writes:  > Stuart Johnson wrote:- >>  M >> Does anyone have any information on what is going to be in the forthcomingpJ >> hobbyist kits from Montgar? I am hoping that it will contail the entireF >> layered products disks, ie. be the full OS distribution and layered" >> products. I can dream, can't I? > D > Has there been any discussion of how the HP merger will affect the > Hobbyist program?n  B Certainly I would not expect any effect.  The Hobbyist Program wasD authorized by the previous head of VMS Development and in my opinionD the current head of VMS Development is even _more_ inclined to thinkC it is a good idea.  The previous head of VMS Development is now hissA boss.  If upper HP management decided to micro-manage that aspectf, of VMS it would be totally out of character.  D > Was there any news about the Hobbyist at the Encompass conference?  D I haven't heard any, although I did talk with David Cathey about it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:46:05 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e" Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit Contents' Message-ID: <3DA3986D.D2D21442@fsi.net>d   Stuart Johnson wrote:t > L > Does anyone have any information on what is going to be in the forthcomingI > hobbyist kits from Montgar? I am hoping that it will contail the entire E > layered products disks, ie. be the full OS distribution and layered ! > products. I can dream, can't I?   G Well, if you can dream up a way to cram a couple gigabytes of data ontoiA a 650MB CD-ROM, yes, I guess you can dream. Otherwise, a multi-CDaE distribution would be called for and that would likely push the priceaF into territory that would make it prohibitive to the very audience the& hobbyist program is intended to reach.  H If it were up to me, I'd cook up a boot CD that had bare-bone VMS plus aC TCP/IP stack plus a PPP client plus (T)FTP and make it possible forlF hobbyists with sufficient internet bandwidth available to acquire PAKs1 and install VMS and layered products via the web.   ! ...if it were up to me. It ain't.v   -- s David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:37:19 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> " Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit Contents, Message-ID: <3DA3964F.7FAA3F71@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:J > If it were up to me, I'd cook up a boot CD that had bare-bone VMS plus aE > TCP/IP stack plus a PPP client plus (T)FTP and make it possible foruH > hobbyists with sufficient internet bandwidth available to acquire PAKs3 > and install VMS and layered products via the web.   U A single CD has sufficient space for full VMS, DECwindows, TCPIP and a few compilers.m  K What would be needed is permission to have the administrator of the hobbysttE make the doc set and application CDs available for download for thoseiM registered hobbysists. It is the way software distribution will become in the0 future anyways.l  L I think that HP should consider this as a pilot project to evaluate softwareJ distribution over the net. VMS is great as a pilot project due to the file' structure issues for net distributions.x   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:54:11 -0400! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>i@ Subject: RE: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B79@rlghncst964.usps.gov>o  $       my anti-virus software is VMS.  o- There's a marketing slogan if ever I saw one.-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:08:43 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>e3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and TCPware 5.6 questions: Message-ID: <hZNo9.23661$zU5.971102@news20.bellglobal.com>  > No need to respond to this note. I've discovered the solution.   Neil  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message2 news:dcso9.977$Iw5.211027@news20.bellglobal.com... > Facts:H > 1. Every 6 months a batch job on my OpenVMS systems will run to switch bothJ > the OpenVMS system clock, as well as the TCPware "time zone", "time zoneG > name", MULTINET_TIMEZONE (for email stamps), to/from daylight savingsm time.: > 2. I'm not using NTP.d4 > 3. I occasionally call NTPdate from a login script >t > Questions:K > 1. I've set sysgen parameter 'AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV' to 1 so that OpenVMS makesiK > changing the system clock unnecessary, but is there anything I need to dot to
 > TCPware?$ > 2. Is it capable of auto-changing? >a > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,, > Ontario, Canada.# > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/m >n >f >u   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:01:26 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>Y Subject: Re: singular and plural of VAX (was: Re: Another security issue with the UCX POPR5 Message-ID: <anva7o$hf9ku$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>M  H "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> schreef in bericht5 news:01KNFHW54S349QWKOO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...c > > > vac vms 7.2, TCPIP 5.3 > >-! > > Ah, the singular form of VAX.s > >  > > ;-)w > G > By the way, does anyone know where the German-sounding plural "VAXen"t > came from as used in English?   K In Dutch VAXen is the plural form of VAX ( hond/honden etc.), not sure whathH it would be in German. So perhaps the term got exported after one of theD Decus Europe symposia, traditionally very well attended by dutchmen?  
 Hans Vlems  5 (with fond memories of various Decus Europe symposia)t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:54:31 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>@ Subject: Re: Tally Printer causing overflow data underrun errors5 Message-ID: <anvd65$hebc9$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>i  @ What happens if you run the printer at 9600 (or even 4800) baud?  ; "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> schreef in berichtu- news:Xqmo9.110324$C8.313585@nnrp1.uunet.ca...lK > I have a tally MT691 printer that is configured for telnet based printing L > and when you place the printer off-line for a period of time while data isJ > being sent or when it runs out of paper and then you reset it causes the > same problem.- > J > We have genicom printers on the same terminal server DECServer 900TM andL > they are running fine,  and to the point as when I plug into the tally theJ > working cable of the genicom printer (port settings and telnet listeners areGK > identical) it also has the same problems.  So this must be something withs: > the terminal server and this particular type of printer. >- > Settings on portsc >07 > Port 24: KIT_PRT_11                    Server: TKIT02: >RH > Character Size:            8           Input Speed:              19200H > Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:             19200H > Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        DisabledI > Stop Bits:           1                  Signal Select:  CTS-DSR-RTS-DTRr >.H > Access:               Remote           Local Switch:              NoneH > Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                   PORT_24H > Break:              Disabled           Session Limit:                1H > Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      AnsiH > Default Protocol:     Telnet           Default Menu:              NoneH > Autolink Timer One:10 Two:10           Dialer Script:             None > $ > Dedicated Service: REN.FLANAGAN.CA > Authorized Groups:   0 > (Current)  Groups:   0 >h > Enabled Characteristics:G > Autoconnect,  Autoprompt,  Broadcast,  Failover,  Input Flow Control,-A > Lock,  Loss Notification,  Message Codes,  Output Flow Control,1 > Verification >iK > Printer is setup for XON/XOFF flow with the proper baud rates / stop bitsk /  > parity > I > I have tried on the printer RDY/BSY flow but the same problem is there.. > 
 > Any ideas ?s >p > -- > Jerry Alan Braga > Senior Programmer Analyst  > Flanagan Foodservice > (519) 748-2190 Ext. 3361 > jabraga@flanagan.ca= >r >v   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 00:02:08 GMT3# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>w: Subject: The Cluster Seminar HP should be giving about VMSH Message-ID: <4mKo9.161899$q41.4698@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  @ http://www.webseminarslive.com/event_details/0,4171,e=35,00.html  B http://eval.veritas.com/downloads/pro/gcm/gcm_datasheet_092302.pdf   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 03:51:05 GMTg( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)o? Message-ID: <JINo9.2907$F53.2766970@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>C  L See the REAL problem was that VAX 7000s and Turbolasers  didn't need a frontG end console system.  The Multias could have been used for that purpose.fI Just look at all the Pro 350 put to useful service frontending VAX 8xxxs.h ;^)r   Todd  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D9CA5BC.21B63E56@videotron.ca... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:eF > > Some of the Microsofy software on the box was pretty slick. And if you're a@ > > former DEC stockholder, you'll be delighted to know that DEC DELIBERATELYH > > destroyed a warehouseful (10K-15K) of Multias somewhere over in Asia where F > > they were made. Didn't want 'em getting loose and depressing Alpha "value."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:37:07 +0100 - From: Gerald Marsh <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk>0% Subject: Re: VMS performance softwarea8 Message-ID: <m3g6qusei1j7rbe12siinthp0avohrlamp@4ax.com>  F On 26 Sep 2002 05:00:08 -0700, RJDurkee@yahoo.com (Rich Durkee) wrote:  D >I have been using the Sightline product from Fortel for a number ofD >years and am very happy with it. It can produce realtime graphs andB >reports on many parameters. Also it can generate lists of the topE >users of resources, send alerts if certain resources are used beyond : >user-defined limits. Fortel's web site is: www.fortel.com >Rich Durkee  C As the original request came from a UK ISP, it may be worth knowing D that there is a Sightline User Group meeting scheduled at the end of> this month - Give Fortel in the UK a ring - I'm sure you'll be cordially invited.  A (We've also been using Sightline (was know as Viewpoint) for manysF years - on OpenVMS and some NT - and have been pleased with it and theC support. It's also worth mentioning that it comes with a noddy http B server which can generate .gif's of charts on the fly. This allowsE those charts to be generated in realtime across an intranet so savinga on client licences!)   Good luck with your search,e     Gerald.    Gerald Marsh  / gerald -at- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- ukt   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 03:41:57 GMT ( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>% Subject: Re: VMS performance software ? Message-ID: <9ANo9.2905$F53.2765940@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>o  # Hum, don't see the original post...@  J 1) From Computer Associates: ADVISE/IT, while getting a little long in theI tooth and lst time I looked it hadn't dug in to Controller based RAID noreD deeply into FIBERCHANNEL nor SCSI I/O configurations, it is still me+ preferred advisor.  downside thnk BIG $$$$.   F 2) AMDS,  up side... FREE! Well free with your OpenVMS license anyway.L Great deill down capabilities.  Only tool I know that interactively monitorsJ lock contention across a cluster.  Also the "fixes" allowed are real handyL for freeing a cluster that lost quorum and for giving a little extra process8 quota to clear RWAST states.  downside... realtime only.  L 3) ECP, up side... FREE! Also assuming an OpenVMS license.  Decent graphs ifJ you can display DECwindows.  A large number of stats can be dumped to .CSVK file for your own analysis.  (BTW, read the OpenVMS SPD carefully, the toolnC is free, support is not.)  Downside, don't expect any new features.m  F 4) TDC, upside...FREE!  Again assuming an OpenVMS license.  TDC is theF standardized callable interface into OpenVMS performance metrics beingI provided by engineering to 3rd parties such as BMS. Similar stats as ECP.eL NO user interface into the data other than an extracter.  That give you .CSV though.e   Todd: "Gerald Marsh" <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk> wrote in message2 news:m3g6qusei1j7rbe12siinthp0avohrlamp@4ax.com...H > On 26 Sep 2002 05:00:08 -0700, RJDurkee@yahoo.com (Rich Durkee) wrote: > F > >I have been using the Sightline product from Fortel for a number ofF > >years and am very happy with it. It can produce realtime graphs andD > >reports on many parameters. Also it can generate lists of the topG > >users of resources, send alerts if certain resources are used beyond2< > >user-defined limits. Fortel's web site is: www.fortel.com > >Rich Durkee >mE > As the original request came from a UK ISP, it may be worth knowingeF > that there is a Sightline User Group meeting scheduled at the end of@ > this month - Give Fortel in the UK a ring - I'm sure you'll be > cordially invited. >aC > (We've also been using Sightline (was know as Viewpoint) for manylH > years - on OpenVMS and some NT - and have been pleased with it and theE > support. It's also worth mentioning that it comes with a noddy http.D > server which can generate .gif's of charts on the fly. This allowsG > those charts to be generated in realtime across an intranet so savingo > on client licences!) >r > Good luck with your search,b >o >n	 > Gerald.d >  > Gerald Marsh >c1 > gerald -at- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- uko >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 03:29:39 GMTu( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>8 Subject: Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ?? Message-ID: <DoNo9.2904$F53.2765002@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>e  7 "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m> wrote in messagem) news:anpp28$gu8$1@paris.btinternet.com...s <snip>L > As others have already advised, simply ask the system manager for a uniqueH > UIC at instalation time. I used to use [1,4] but all sorts of security toolsbF > spew up at multiple usernames having this (or any other) system UIC. <snip>  L One additional note.  I would personally using a group number of octal 11 orI higher.  By default a process with a group number %o10 or less implicitlyiL gets SYSPRV priv.  That can cause some confusion as the USERNAME may not mayG SYSPRV privuledge but acts as if it does.  This can also be a sercuritye2 hole.  I prefer when SYSPRV is explicitly granted.   Todd   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:53:45 -0400! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> + Subject: RE: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?uK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B78@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   J In article <3D9C6506.2090303@mail.tele.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?=# <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> writes:y >a
 > FAT-32 ?  E    Somehow Intel managed to require a FAT file system for IA-64 boot. 2    We don't have to like it, but it will be there.    F I expressed concerns in an email to somebody in Engineering and he wasC kind enough to compose a detailed response regarding why this isn't10 really the "BadThing" that one might presuppose.  C If I can find it, I'll ask him if I can repost it to the newsgroup.i ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800 919.874.3043   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:21:54 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>v+ Subject: Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?k+ Message-ID: <3DA35A7E.7452123@videotron.ca>o  
 VAXVMS wrote:IH > I expressed concerns in an email to somebody in Engineering and he wasE > kind enough to compose a detailed response regarding why this isn't 2 > really the "BadThing" that one might presuppose.  N As I recall, the FAT32 thing will appear as a single container file on the ODS file system.  M Now, if the engineers build tools to access the files inside that FAT32 file,rN I wonder if this couldn't be applied to reading diskettes or even disk drives.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:22:34 -0400, From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>  Subject: XP1000 Build your own !B Message-ID: <LEIo9.55813$OM4.34003480@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>   XP1000 667 EV67 w/4mb cache- Floppy CDROM- 10/100 EthernetO   US$ 2300   -- Island Computers US Corp.< 2700 Gregory St, Ste 180 Savannah GA 31404, USA Tel: (00) 1 912 447 6628 Fax: (00) 1 912 201 0096 sales@hpaq.net www.islandco.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.557 ************************