1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 10 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 559       Contents:0 Re: A warning to use bounds checking in BASIC(?). Announcing Northeast Ohio Regional LUG Meeting1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium  Re: Disable access log on CSWS Re: ES45 Going cheap ! graphics card problem  Re: graphics card problem  Re: graphics card problem  Re: graphics card problem ! Re: Help with Multinet FTP please  Re: Hobbyist kit Contents 2 Re: Hobbyist kit Contents - some rambling thoughts Re: legato for Openvms* Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and TCPware 5.6 question" OVMS Samba and Win2000 Native mode& Re: OVMS Samba and Win2000 Native mode Re: RMS duplicate key question- Re: Scroll mouse question for Fred Kleinsorge - Re: Scroll mouse question for Fred Kleinsorge  RE: singular and plural of VAX Re: singular and plural of VAX RE: singular and plural of VAX7 Re: Tally Printer causing overflow data underrun errors % TCPIP,VMS 7.2.1 Alpha, license issue? ) Re: TCPIP,VMS 7.2.1 Alpha, license issue? ) Re: TCPIP,VMS 7.2.1 Alpha, license issue? 3 Re: Why slow system when using logical search list? 3 Re: Why slow system when using logical search list?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:13:09 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>9 Subject: Re: A warning to use bounds checking in BASIC(?) 2 Message-ID: <9IXo9.11$VV2.263257@news.cpqcorp.net>   Gerald Marsh wrote:   / > (Does BLISS have a /CHECK=BOUNDS equivalent?)  >   > Not directly.  However, you can write your own structure (ie, H CHECKED_VECTOR) and include code in the structure definition to perform G bounds checking when indexing into the vector.  We have several in the   MACRO compiler.    For example,  	 STRUCTURE J      ! Vector indexed by register number, returning an integer or address.D      regVector[i ; n = MCG_register_count, unit = %UPVAL, ext = 0] =          [n * unit]           (reg_range_check(i); D           regVector+(.mcg_reg_xlation[i])*unit)<0,%BPUNIT*unit,ext>,  =      ! BitVector indexed by register number, returning a bit. /      regBitVector[i ; n = MCG_register_count] =            [(n+%BPUNIT-1)/%BPUNIT]          (reg_range_check(i); 3           regBitVector)<(.mcg_reg_xlation[i]),1,0>,   B      ! BlockVector indexed by register number, returning whatever.G      regBlockVector[i, o, p, s, e ; n = MCG_register_count, bs, unit =  	 %UPVAL] =           [n * bs * unit]          (reg_range_check(i); C           regBlockVector + (.mcg_reg_xlation[i]*bs+o)*unit)<p,s,e>;   H Notice the call to our range checking code, reg_range_check().  We used I to include the code inline, but we wanted the ability to SET BREAK on it   in the debugger.   --   John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:06:54 -0400 / From: "Joe H. Gallagher" <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com> 7 Subject: Announcing Northeast Ohio Regional LUG Meeting - Message-ID: <3DA4EECD.6127FDF3@ix.netcom.com>    . "                   Joint Symposium                           of #                   NEORUG of Interex                          and #                   WRUG of Encompass   (               Thursday, November 7, 2002"                   8:30AM to 7:00PM'                  Richfield Holiday Inn  "                    Richfield, Ohio  7 We are pleased to announce that the next meeting of the 8 Western Reserve Users Group of Encompass will be a joint: symposium with the North East Ohio Regional Users Group of; Interex.  This joint symposium will be an all-day, regional 3 meeting with four different session tracks with six < presentations per track.  Encompass members from all of Ohio( and nearby states are invited to attend.    The four session tracks will be   $   MPE (the HP e3000 Transition Tour)   HP-UX '   Emerging Technologies and Soft Skills    HP/Compaq/Digital   5 Members of WRUG and Encompass will be most interested 4 in the HP/Campaq/Digital session track.  This track 1 features two presentations by Gaitan D'Antoni of  4 OpenVMS Engineering, Nashua, NH.  A schedule of the 2 presentations, titles, abstracts, and speaker bios appears below.  4 Details of the MPE, HP-UX, and Emerging Technologies tracks can be viewed at   6   http://www.quadax.com/neorug/SYM2002/Default2002.htm  
 Registration:   3 PRE-REGISTRATION FOR THIS MEETING IS REQUIRED.  To   register, go to   5     http://www.quadax.com/neorug/SYM2002/RegEmail.htm      9 and click to send an E-mail to Bert Hoffman, Registration < Chairman.  The registration includes lunch and social hour. : Registration is free (BUT REQUIRED) for members of NEORUG,: members of WRUG, members of Encompass, and HP 3000 users. 6 For all others, the registration is $20.  Registration deadline is Novemeber 4, 2002.  8 The schedule for the HP/Compaq/Digital session track is:    8:30AM to  9:00AM - Check in.7  9:00AM to 10:30AM - Porting OpenVMS Alpha Applications    to the Itanium Architecture  10:30AM to 10:40AM Break6 10:40AM to 11:45AM OpenView Overview: Managing your IT!   Infrastructure with HP OpenView # 11:45AM to 12:30PM Lunch (provided) . 12:30PM to  1:30PM Alpha Features (EV7 update)  1:30PM to  1:45PM Break5  1:45PM to  2:45PM eBusiness Integration Technologies   2:45PM to  2:55PM Break,  2:55PM to  3:55PM UNIX - Today and Tomorrow  3:55PM to  4:15PM Break)  4:15PM to  5:30PM StorageWorks Solutions   5:30PM to  7:00PM Social Hour  > Presentation titles, speakers, and presentation abstracts are:  9 Title: Porting OpenVMS Alpha Applications to the Itanium  
  Architecture $ Speaker: Gaitan D'Antoni, Nashua, NH; Abstract: This technical session covers the current OpenVMS <  Itanium Architecture schedule and plans for porting layered9  products, compilers, binary translators, and development :  tools. It includes information about porting user written=  OpenVMS applications from Alpha to the Itanium Architecture. =  It will also cover some of the details about the port of the 6  OpenVMS operating system to the Itanium Architecture.  : Title: OpenView Overview: Managing your IT Infrastructure   with HP OpenView $ Speaker: Joe Hasenohr, Cleveland, OH: Abstract: HP OpenView is the industry-leading solution for8  IT enterprise management.  The HP OpenView portfolio of:  products and solutions assist all types of organizations,;  enterprises, service providers and other companies with IT <  infrastructure management challenges.  HP OpenView contains:  significant breadth and depth providing solutions forthe9  management of networks, systems, and applications.  This <  session will discuss what HP OpenView is and how it enables5  IT organizations to monitor their IT infrastructure, 7  end-to-end, and enable them to provide true IT service   management.  " Title: Alpha Features (EV7 update)$ Speaker: Cathy Pappas, Cleveland, OH< Abstract: The presentation will focus on the next generation;  of AlphaServers based on the Alpha EV7 processor.  The EV7 =  CPU extends the current EV68 product family by incorporating 0  a single chip cache, memory controller, and the;  interprocessor switch fabric.  This presentation will also #  provide an architectural overview.   ) Title: eBusiness Integration Technologies $ Speaker: Gaitan D'Antoni, Nashua, NH; Abstract: The focus of eBusiness technologies in OpenVMS is 1  on the integration of data and applications in a >  heterogeneous environment.  This technical session covers the:  work that is being done in OpenVMS Engineering to enhance6  the OpenVMS Operating System to support new eBusiness7  integration technologies.  It also covers the suite of =  integration products from HP and business partners including 5  web servers, web browsers, application servers, data 2  integration tools and software development tools.    Title: UNIX - Today and Tomorrow$ Speaker: Cathy Pappas, Cleveland, OH< Abstract: The presentation discusses the world of Tru64 UNIX<  and HP-UX.  Throughout the presentation you will here about5  Tru64 UNIX to HP-UX migration tools, investments and 7  technologies moving from Tru64 UNIX into HP-UX and the *  futures direction or Tru64/Alpha roadmap.   Title: StorageWorks Solutions:# Speaker: Mitch Brown, Cleveland, OH < Abstract: This seminar is designed to teach the participants7  how to setup and manage the HP StorageWorks Enterprise 7  Virtual Array (EVA), MA8000 and EMA12000 fibre channel 8  storage controllers in a heterogeneous SAN environment.  Areas covered include: , 	* Overview of Storage Area Networks (SANs)  	* Overview of Fibre Channel  ( 	* Overview of Enterprise Virtual Array  	* Heterogeneous SANs 5 	* Overview of SAN Management Appliance Applications  ( 	* Operating Systems support and futures 	  Speaker bios are:    Gaitan D'Antoni, HP, Nashua, NH 6  Gaitan D'Antoni is a Senior Member Technical Staff in:  OpenVMS Engineering.  He is the COM for OpenVMS Technical8  Leader, the CSWS for OpenVMS Technical Leader, and is a:  member of the OpenVMS eBusiness Engineering team.  He has:  been with Digital/Compaq/HP for 20 years and with OpenVMS  Engineering for 8 years.    Cathy Pappas, HP, Cleveland, OH <  Cathy started her career with Digital Equipment Corporation:  as a programmer analyst where she supported manufacturing;  plants for 3 years working on a KL-10 and one of the first =  VAXes.  Cathy later moved out into the field and has been in =  a pre-sales support role for Digital/Compaq/HP for 15 years. 9  Cathy is currently Advisory System Engineer supporting a =  variety of hardware and software products on VAX, Alpha, and   Intel servers.    Mitch Brown, HP, Cleveland, OH=  Mitch Brown is a Storage Systems Engineer with the "new" HP. 7  He has worked in the computer industry specializing in <  OpenVMS, Unix, and Storage for over 15 years.  Recently his=  focus has shifted to the Windows world, but he keeps tabs on 3  his old friends in OpenVMS and Tru64 Unix as well.    Joe Hasenohr, HP, Cleveland, OH 4  Joe Hasenohr is an OpenView Solution Architect with<  Hewlett-Packard.  He has been helping customer implement HP8  OpenView solutions for the past 5 years and has over 20:  years experience in the IT industry with HP.  He has been:  helping HP customers utilize HP solutions in the areas of6  Unix, software development and enterprise management.   Vendor support:   : The joint NEORUG/WRUG meeting has very signigicant support6 from Hewlett Packard Company.  A partial list of other1 vendors participating in the meeting are: AdvizeX 5 Technologies LLC, Atlantic Tech Services, Black River 8 Computers, Inc., Logical, Lund Performance Solutions, MD6 Foster Associates, Ltd., The Newman Group and I/O Data1 System, Open Systems of Cleveland, Inc., Pentagon < Engineering Corporation, Pioneer-Standard Electronics, Inc.,< and Speedware Corporation.  Meeting participatants may visit8 with vendor representatives at breaks between the formal8 presentations and at a reception at 5:30PM hosted by the vendors.   Meeting Location:   9 The meeting is conveniently located between the Cleveland + and Akron/Canton areas and is being held at    	Richfield Holiday Inn 	4742 Brecksville Road 	Richfield, OH  44286 
 	330-659-6151 % 	Toll free reservations: 800-465-4329  	 : The Richfield Holiday Inn is a short distance southeast of< the intersection of I-77 and I-80 (the Ohio Turnpike); it is9 only 1/4 mile south on State Route 21 from Exit 11 on the ; Turnpike; it is approximately 1/4 mile north on State Route  21 from Exit 145 on I-77.      A map is shown at:  r http://www.vicinity.com/holidayinn/hotelmap.hm?FS=CLECO&rbid=CLECO&OAD2=&OCITY=&OSTATE=&OZIP=&OAD4=&brandlogo=HOLI   Future WRUG meetings:   < Note there there is no WRUG meeting scheduled for October or: December.  In 2003, we will return to our regular schedule; of meetings on the second Tuesday of even numbered months.   Future meets are scheduled for:     February 11, 2003  April 8, 2003  June 10, 2003   See you at the meeting!    Joe H. Gallagher LUG Chair, WRUG    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Oct 2002 15:06:39 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <oCWdxVYtApMA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <I8LpwMtmqtPe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: e > In article <uQEwZyL0IYXw@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: r >> In article <Xpsm9.3666$dp1.7530@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes: >>> > >>> "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message1 >>> news:JWkfYy1brMdb@eisner.encompasserve.org... ? >>>> In article <alqe7e$kta$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" + >>> <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:  >>   >>>> >. >>>> > Please visit the Symposium web site at:/ >>>> > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/symposium/  >>>>C >>>> Has anyone outside HP successfully registered for this event ?  >>>>J >>>> I sent email to the designated address last Friday and have not heard >>>> anything back.   ) I did get a confirmation, one week later.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:02:34 GMT $ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU' Subject: Re: Disable access log on CSWS 8 Message-ID: <00A1533E.20091A3E@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  b In article <3DA459B4.4070105@vajhoej.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: >David Jones wrote:  > F >> In message <3DA3213D.9080703@vajhoej.dk>, <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:4 >>>I am a bit confused. I do not know anything about: >>>Apache. But I can not understand why this serialization9 >>>problem should be less for NLA0: than for access.log ?  >>  I >> NLA0: is a record-oriented device, so RMS may very well have different R >> serialization issues (buffering, deferred writes, etc) with it than with a disk >> file. >  >True. > = >But that is part of my confusion. Here is this serialization 
 >problem ? >  >It is demonstrated that: / >   demo app                           demo app 1 >   Pascal RTL                         Pascal RTL * >   RMS              is faster than    RMS) >   IO                                 IO , >   disk-file                          NLA0: > " >The original suggestion was that:- >   Apache                             Apache , >   C RTL                              C RTL* >   RMS              is slower than    RMS) >   IO                                 IO , >   disk-file                          NLA0: >   M Actually, the original poster who wanted to suppress the access log said that M the access log file was showing up as a hotfile in their performance monitor, - not that Apache was running too slow with it.   L My suggestion was that routing the access log to NLA0: would keep the accessG log from showing up as a hot file, not that it would speed up Apache.      -- Alan    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:23:19 -0400# From: "Island" <sales@islandco.com>  Subject: Re: ES45 Going cheap ! / Message-ID: <uq8pb7h92i6ud6@news.supernews.com>    Yes it does allow for that   David    -- David B Turner	 Sales Dpt  Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096  sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com' http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htm    We sell Alpha Systems ! * All emails are checked for Virus and Worms? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message C news:rdeininger-0810022249400001@1cust9.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net... K > In article <FDIo9.55812$OM4.34002375@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>, "David ( > Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote: >  > >DA-68DAA-AA > >ES45 Base system 1Ghz CPU8 > >Unix Unlimited License (yes I know but some VMS sites > >use DEC Unix too!)  > >  > >New Open Box $32,000  > > 7 > >We could also provide it as a VMS system for $37,000  > > 6 > >Add $2000 for 4GB Island Memory (lifetime warranty) > J > If a customer wants to switch operating systems, the unix license shouldL > have trade-in value toward a VMS license.  Does your VMS price account for > that?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:36:13 +0200, From: "Reinhard Eigner" <antispam@garnix.de> Subject: graphics card problem/ Message-ID: <ao20eb$fbn$03$1@news.t-online.com>    Hi NG!  K I've got a Digital PWS 600a (MX5), with a Elsa Gloria Synergy graphics cars  and a SCSI-CD-ROM.C Today I installed OpenVMS 7.2, but I don't get a graphical desktop.  I get some messages:  2 %DECW$DEVICE-I-NODEVICE, no graphics devices found   After login:  $ %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying OPA0:% -SET-I-UNKTERM, unknown terminal type     K On the SRM Console the language is set to German and the keyboard is set to  PCXAL.   What could be the problem?K At work we have ES40 and AS4100 machine, also equipped with the Elsa Gloria  graphicsB card and they are running with a graphic desktop under OpenVMS 7.2   Thanks in advance! Reinhard   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:57:43 -0000# From: "mhr" <mreilly36@comcast.net> " Subject: Re: graphics card problem6 Message-ID: <1UOdndFnFP1HFDmgXTWcqg@News.GigaNews.Com>  > Check Dave Turners site at Islandco.com for graphics card info7 "Reinhard Eigner" <antispam@garnix.de> wrote in message ) news:ao20eb$fbn$03$1@news.t-online.com...  > Hi NG! > H > I've got a Digital PWS 600a (MX5), with a Elsa Gloria Synergy graphics cars > and a SCSI-CD-ROM.E > Today I installed OpenVMS 7.2, but I don't get a graphical desktop.  > I get some messages: > 4 > %DECW$DEVICE-I-NODEVICE, no graphics devices found >  > After login: > & > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying OPA0:' > -SET-I-UNKTERM, unknown terminal type  >  > J > On the SRM Console the language is set to German and the keyboard is set to > PCXAL. >  > What could be the problem?F > At work we have ES40 and AS4100 machine, also equipped with the Elsa Gloria
 > graphicsD > card and they are running with a graphic desktop under OpenVMS 7.2 >  > Thanks in advance!
 > Reinhard >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:00:19 +0200, From: "Reinhard Eigner" <antispam@garnix.de>" Subject: Re: graphics card problem/ Message-ID: <ao21rh$plu$05$1@news.t-online.com>   @ > Check Dave Turners site at Islandco.com for graphics card info  ( Well, the Elsa Gloria card is supported.    9 > "Reinhard Eigner" <antispam@garnix.de> wrote in message + > news:ao20eb$fbn$03$1@news.t-online.com... 
 > > Hi NG! > > J > > I've got a Digital PWS 600a (MX5), with a Elsa Gloria Synergy graphics > cars > > and a SCSI-CD-ROM.G > > Today I installed OpenVMS 7.2, but I don't get a graphical desktop.  > > I get some messages: > > 6 > > %DECW$DEVICE-I-NODEVICE, no graphics devices found > >  > > After login: > > ( > > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying OPA0:) > > -SET-I-UNKTERM, unknown terminal type  > >  > > L > > On the SRM Console the language is set to German and the keyboard is set > to
 > > PCXAL. > >  > > What could be the problem?H > > At work we have ES40 and AS4100 machine, also equipped with the Elsa > Gloria > > graphicsF > > card and they are running with a graphic desktop under OpenVMS 7.2 > >  > > Thanks in advance! > > Reinhard > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:00:39 -0400, From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>" Subject: Re: graphics card problem5 Message-ID: <Aa3p9.1029$d21.73326@news.bellsouth.net>   " go to www.islandco.com/support.htm    7 "Reinhard Eigner" <antispam@garnix.de> wrote in message ) news:ao20eb$fbn$03$1@news.t-online.com...  > Hi NG! > H > I've got a Digital PWS 600a (MX5), with a Elsa Gloria Synergy graphics cars > and a SCSI-CD-ROM.E > Today I installed OpenVMS 7.2, but I don't get a graphical desktop.  > I get some messages: > 4 > %DECW$DEVICE-I-NODEVICE, no graphics devices found >  > After login: > & > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying OPA0:' > -SET-I-UNKTERM, unknown terminal type  >  > J > On the SRM Console the language is set to German and the keyboard is set to > PCXAL. >  > What could be the problem?F > At work we have ES40 and AS4100 machine, also equipped with the Elsa Gloria
 > graphicsD > card and they are running with a graphic desktop under OpenVMS 7.2 >  > Thanks in advance!
 > Reinhard >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:41:56 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> * Subject: Re: Help with Multinet FTP please' Message-ID: <3DA4DAE4.603220F3@fsi.net>    Alder wrote: > [snip]H > I'm happy to report that some lateral thinking around this problem hasF > resulted in a rather simple solution.  Apparently, two copies of theD > text file can be produced each time a report is generated.  If theE > second copy is given a name that only includes the reportid and the F > username, grabbing the latest file just after it is produced will beE > made MUCH simpler.  Since the terminal emulator we use can have its I > macros activated by host control sequences, we can also add an "E-MAIL" E > option to the list of printer locations we have to choose from (but B > never use) and get the Powerhouse app to send back the necessaryG > activation string once the user submits the request for a report.  It M > can then run FTP to grab the file and get it attached to an Outlook e-mail.  > H > Now, if I can only get the Powerhouse support staff to put our project/ > on its radar screen, we'll have what we need.   A Don't need 'em! Do it in DCL and side-step Powerhouse completely.   G You're looking for F$SEARCH() to lookup files and F$GETJPI() to get the ? username for the process (assuming the VMS username matches the H application username - it doesn't always). Build the wildcarded filespecF string and F$SEARCH() for the files, present a selection screen to the2 user and either print their choices or MAIL them.   F There was a thread here not so long ago about using UUENCODE to create@ "attachments" to VMSmail. Try a Google search of comp.os.vms for& UUENCODE and sort the results by date.  C If you FTP the files to the PC just so you can mail them out again, D you'll have to assume that the CP has enough free disk space, enoughG bandwidth to complete the download(s) in a timely manner (watch out for H traveling salesmen and such using laptops on a dial-up!) AND you'll haveE to cleanup the files on the PC once they've been mailed. Seems like a D lot to go thru when the VMS side can handle the task without all the3 data transfers and other PC-centric considerations.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:24:51 -05002 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>" Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit Contents/ Message-ID: <uqa08kakbrjb38@corp.supernews.com>   I I wasn't expecting to see the contents of 10 or so CD's put onto one CD - L however I hadn't considered DVD at all. I wasn't aware of support for DVD inB OpenVMS, VAX or Alpha computers. Is this a supported media in this environment?   Stuart Johnson ssj152 AT charter DOT net   0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message# news:3DA4547D.7010808@vajhoej.dk...  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > K > > Well, if you can dream up a way to cram a couple gigabytes of data onto / > > a 650MB CD-ROM, yes, I guess you can dream.  >  >  > I think it is called a DVD ! >  > :-)  >  > Arne >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:52:12 -05002 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>; Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit Contents - some rambling thoughts . Message-ID: <uqa1rt9ma0jb8@corp.supernews.com>  K I WAS thinking of a multi-CD distribution, actually HOPING for it! The cost J of CD media is minimal; I am sure that the cost of having them produced isJ not. I am guessing that the cost of a package like what HP sells, with theK OS and layered products, can be realized for much less than HP charges, and A without the requirement (as I remember) of having to subscribe to  maintenance to get the kits.  J I would like to know how many of each kit Montgar sold, how much they costL to make, and cost to distribute. I am not in any way complaining about theirI price - only thinking how nice it would be to have an alternate source in H the event they sell out again. I would have been willing to make a smallL quantity of CD's for folks needing them, for a reasonable (minimal) fee, butG would not consider copying HP copyrighted products without license. The L number sold by Montgar would be interesting as an approximate measure of theK number of hobbyists. I do realize that some of us have access to media from # work or sources other than Montgar.   K I agree that downloading products is very convenient - I recently completed J downloading RedHat 8 for myself (6 disks). Unfortunately, not everyone hasF broadband access to the Internet. It may be quite a while before it isK available around most of the country. I know that DSL is not likely to EVER L be available where I live; it is only an accident that Cable Modem access isJ (Thank you Paul Allen for Charter Pipeline!). Also, not everyone that DOESL have broadband access has a CDRom burner. Physical media will continue to be  needed by those folks for years.  K It occurs to me that not everyone needs the entire layered products kit - I K suspect that a lot of folks would be interested in being able to order only J the disks with the products on it that they need. Not custom made disks, IJ mean order only disks 1 and 6 from the layer products kit, if they containH the products I wanted. Obviously, a directory of the kits contents wouldC have to be publicly available for ordering if this is to be viable.   	 Comments?   
 Stuat Johnson  ssj152 AT charter DOT net     < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3DA3986D.D2D21442@fsi.net...  > Stuart Johnson wrote:  > > B > > Does anyone have any information on what is going to be in the forthcoming K > > hobbyist kits from Montgar? I am hoping that it will contail the entire G > > layered products disks, ie. be the full OS distribution and layered # > > products. I can dream, can't I?  > I > Well, if you can dream up a way to cram a couple gigabytes of data onto C > a 650MB CD-ROM, yes, I guess you can dream. Otherwise, a multi-CD G > distribution would be called for and that would likely push the price H > into territory that would make it prohibitive to the very audience the( > hobbyist program is intended to reach. > J > If it were up to me, I'd cook up a boot CD that had bare-bone VMS plus aE > TCP/IP stack plus a PPP client plus (T)FTP and make it possible for H > hobbyists with sufficient internet bandwidth available to acquire PAKs3 > and install VMS and layered products via the web.  > # > ...if it were up to me. It ain't.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:57:06 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: legato for Openvms & Message-ID: <3DA4A632.6020008@home.nl>  H Legato for OpenVMS is not really new. It was there for a long time, but / with the help of a third party network product. I Don't forget that a Unix (=Legato) type of restore is just copying files  G to a initialized disk. VMS backup is quite a lot more intelligent then  ) that. So I would stick to VMS backup ....    Regards, Dirk     labadie wrote:   >Hello >  >Reading5 >http://www.legato.com/products/networker/openvms.cfm 9 >I wanted some more information about Legato for Openvms: * >is it available for Openvms Alpha 7.2-2 ? >when is it available ? ( >I naively sent an email on that page at >openvms@legato.com  >and my mail came back% >The recipient name is not recognized  >!!  >   >More information appreciated... >  >regards >  >Grard  >  >  >  >    >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:46:26 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and TCPware 5.6 question : Message-ID: <6S5p9.27954$da7.249549@news20.bellglobal.com>    To all who expressed interest...  H As far as I can tell, most TCPware stacks at my company are not properlyK configured. This is the procedure that I believe will work for systems that D occasionally need to use the NTPdate command but not the NTP daemon.  L First off, inspect the contents of file "TCPWARE:TIMEZONES.DAT" and look forL the "zone line" that is appropriate for your system. I'm Ontario/Canada so II need to use zone "EST" and rule "CANADA". Now "$set default" to "tcpware" H and enter "@cnfnet menu". Select "1" (configure tcpware) then select "1"G again (core environment). When you get to the question about NTP answer J "yes" even if you don't want the daemon. Next you'll be prompted for "timeG zone name" and I entered "EST" even though I'm really in "EDT" (Eastern J Daylight Time) at the moment. Next you'll be prompted for time zone rules.K Leave this blank only if your system never shifts time; I entered "CANADA", H most Americans should enter "US", etc. Now continue with the rest of theA questions until you can do two exit commands to save the changes.   K Now here is the important part if you wish to use NTPdate but not NTP; edit L "TCPWARE:TCPWARE_CONFIGURE.COM" and locate the symbol "NTP_SERVERS" and makeI sure it is set to "0". Now execute "@restart tcpware" if you're logged on L from the system console, or "sys$update: autogen reboot" if you're logged onF via telnet. Verify your settings by executing the NTPdate (with the -vE switch but you'd better check your manual because I'm doing this from K memory) and make sure the system clock is only out by only a few minutes or  less but not 3600 seconds.  H If you really mess up your system, you can always delete the most recentJ copy of "TCPWARE:TCPWARE_CONFIGURE.COM" then restart your stack to restore the old settings.    ///   L On every stack I looked at in my company, the symbol "NETCU_TIME_ZONE_RULES"I was blank which always caused the system clock to fall back from "EDT" to H "EST" when ever someone (with privs) was dorking around with the NTPdate command during the summer.  J I'm going to let the NTP daemon run on my development machine for the lastJ Saturday in October. If it looks like these TCPware settings work with theE OpenVMS 7.3 sysgen parameter "AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV", then I'll enable this ' feature on all my production platforms.     
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/     ; "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message - news:7VQo9.53159$M52.584009@news.chello.at... I > In article <hZNo9.23661$zU5.971102@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck"  <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:# > >>[ntp+timezone question snipped] A > >No need to respond to this note. I've discovered the solution.  >  > And the answer is ?  > K > I've now a timezone and NTP config working, but I still wonder if it will < > switch timezones at the right time correctly. We'll see... >  > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Oct 2002 16:53:23 -0700 - From: merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) + Subject: OVMS Samba and Win2000 Native mode < Message-ID: <b6bf97d5.0210091553.2b730ea@posting.google.com>   Hi    A is it possible to set up Sasmaba for OpenVMS to work in a Win2000 
 Native Domain F If so how ie security=user, security=server etc. I am trying to avoindA using PathWorks because of the cost (it sure works well PW 6.1 in  win2000 native)   % here is my smb.conf I am working with    [global]3    server string = Samba %v running on %h (OpenVMS)     workgroup = SCHOOLS    encrypt passwords = Yes ;   mangled names = No    hide dot files = No    map system = Yes     printing = bsd <    printcap name = /sys$sysroot/tcpip$lpd/tcpip$printcap.dat>    print command = print %s /queue=%p /delete/name=SAMBA_PRINT(    lppause command = samba_lppause %p %j*    lpresume command = samba_lpresume %p %j     lpq command = samba_lpstat %p"    lprm command = samba_lprm %p %j= ;   lpq cache time = 0 ;future when next OpenVMS release uses  SYS$GETQUI()7 ;   smbrun = project_root:[samba_vms.bin]smbrun.exe_axpo    load printers = yes> ;   socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192>    socket options = SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 SO_KEEPALIVEF ;  You will need a world readable lock directory and "share modes=yes"C ;  if you want to support the file sharing modes for multiple userse ;  of the same files. ;  lock directory = /usr/local/samba/var/locks   share modes = yess   security = usert   any hints would be appreciated   Thanks RobMl   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 05:54:19 GMTu( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>/ Subject: Re: OVMS Samba and Win2000 Native mode , Message-ID: <3DA51609.9070501@spammotel.com>   rob merritt wrote: > Hi >  > C > is it possible to set up Sasmaba for OpenVMS to work in a Win2000  > Native DomainpH > If so how ie security=user, security=server etc. I am trying to avoindC > using PathWorks because of the cost (it sure works well PW 6.1 in  > win2000 native)  > ' > here is my smb.conf I am working withl > 
 > [global]5 >    server string = Samba %v running on %h (OpenVMS)t >    workgroup = SCHOOLS >    encrypt passwords = Yes > ;   mangled names = No >    hide dot files = No >    map system = Yes  >    printing = bsd0> >    printcap name = /sys$sysroot/tcpip$lpd/tcpip$printcap.dat@ >    print command = print %s /queue=%p /delete/name=SAMBA_PRINT* >    lppause command = samba_lppause %p %j, >    lpresume command = samba_lpresume %p %j" >    lpq command = samba_lpstat %p$ >    lprm command = samba_lprm %p %j? > ;   lpq cache time = 0 ;future when next OpenVMS release usesu > SYS$GETQUI()9 > ;   smbrun = project_root:[samba_vms.bin]smbrun.exe_axp. >    load printers = yes@ > ;   socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192@ >    socket options = SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 SO_KEEPALIVEH > ;  You will need a world readable lock directory and "share modes=yes"E > ;  if you want to support the file sharing modes for multiple userse > ;  of the same files0 > ;  lock directory = /usr/local/samba/var/locks >   share modes = yesg >   security = userV >   > any hints would be appreciated > 
 > Thanks RobMT  E Can't help directly, but would suggest you try the SAMBA-VMS mailing c> list.  For info, try http://lists.samba.org/listinfo/samba-vms  ! Hope this qualifies as a hint :-)r   Alderc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:03:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>)' Subject: Re: RMS duplicate key questionx, Message-ID: <3DA47D95.9ACB567C@videotron.ca>   Patrick O'Malley wrote:oB > Tried to email you, but the your email address (even without the > spamnot) doesn't work. B  N The civil servants at my ISP have decided not to allow the outsourced customerJ service dept to modify the supplementary email accounts. So a small changeK that use dto take 5 minutes has now been in some paperwork for over 2 weekseL and there is nothing I can do about it. They were able to quickly delete theM old mailbox (different type of account), but couldn't transform a 3rd mailbox K I had to have the name I use here. And  don't want to reveal my one working M email address here since it would start to get spam. I apologize on behalf myrI my isp. Its new, inexperienced owner is having a very hard time trying to H transform this former highly unionized cable monopoly into a competitiveN business. The civil servants have been on strike since May with no sign of any end. s  ( > Investigate the NULL key attribute forG > alternate duplicate keys.  It helps a lot.  In the FDL fil, you'd saya > (among other things) >  > KEY 1u% >         DUPLICATES              yesr% >         NULL_KEY                yesr% >         NULL_VALUE              ' 'r    M Thanks. I knew there was something like this, but edit/fdl didn't seem to asknQ that question when I created the FDL for the file. This is exactly what I wanted.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:30:30 +0200p From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>6 Subject: Re: Scroll mouse question for Fred Kleinsorge& Message-ID: <3DA475C6.8040802@home.nl>   Thanks for your reply Fred.,  E But perhaps you have more specific details of how to tell DECwindows E that a scrollmouse is there.  H I have a PWS500au with OpenVMS 7.3-1 installed and a Lucent chipset USB F card. I want to buy a Logitech USB scroll mouse and connect it to the F card. Now I'm sure that besides running USB$STARTUP I will have to do C some more like changing configuration files to get the whole thing ,H running with DecWindows. Since the firmware of my PWS is not USB aware, I I doubt if I will be able to use a USB keyboard. So I would like to keep WF using my LK461 keyboard  in combination with the USB scrollmouse. Can ( you help me with some more information ?   Regards,   Dirk   P.S.B For all of you who may want to try this too, I still have one big D problem with the USB card. For some reason DECnet and TCPIP want to I configure it as a network device. That will hang the system, and I guess oE for the same reason it will hang the VMS 7.3-1 boot CD as I reported OE earlier. When that problem has been resolved, I will report it here !a   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  H >The scroll wheel will be handled using the same hack as Linux - it willL >generate the up arrow and down arrow keys.  If you move it fast enough (I'm9 >not fast enough) it will generate page up and page down.u >nL >You can combine the CTRL key with the scroll mouse for things like DECterm,# >which will activate the scroll bari >OJ >If someone wants to dig up a "spec" on a PS2 compatable scroll mouse (andB >send me one ;-), if I'm ever bored, I'll hack up a driver for it. >n >p >M9 >Dirk Munk wrote in message <3DA3DB79.8040004@home.nl>...y >    >o >>Fred,m >>J >>Can you give us detailed instructions how to use a USB scroll mouse withB >>DECwindows? Since the firmware of my PWS does not know of USB, IE >>obviously can't use a USB keyboard (and there is no LK USB keyboard J >>around yet). But using a scrollmouse with Mozilla to read this newsgroupH >>would be great ! I have a supported card installed, and have it almost >>working now. >> >>     >> >  >  >  a >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:55:10 GMTn5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>n6 Subject: Re: Scroll mouse question for Fred Kleinsorge2 Message-ID: <ObZo9.16$f_2.334963@news.cpqcorp.net>  G The scroll wheel will be handled using the same hack as Linux - it willaK generate the up arrow and down arrow keys.  If you move it fast enough (I'mp8 not fast enough) it will generate page up and page down.  K You can combine the CTRL key with the scroll mouse for things like DECterm, " which will activate the scroll bar  I If someone wants to dig up a "spec" on a PS2 compatable scroll mouse (andaA send me one ;-), if I'm ever bored, I'll hack up a driver for it.o      8 Dirk Munk wrote in message <3DA3DB79.8040004@home.nl>... >Fred, >oI >Can you give us detailed instructions how to use a USB scroll mouse with A >DECwindows? Since the firmware of my PWS does not know of USB, I D >obviously can't use a USB keyboard (and there is no LK USB keyboardI >around yet). But using a scrollmouse with Mozilla to read this newsgroup G >would be great ! I have a supported card installed, and have it almoste
 >working now.h >n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:58:50 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: RE: singular and plural of VAX 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBHFOAA.tom@kednos.com>u  ( Interesting theory, but counter example,0 Bekannte, Bekannten.  Ort, Orten, Tat, Taten QED   >-----Original Message-----n% >From: alderson+news@panix5.panix.comtB >[mailto:alderson+news@panix5.panix.com]On Behalf Of Rich Alderson+ >Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:43 AMe >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: Re: singular and plural of VAX >w >d< >Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: > # >> VAXen is a link; let's go there!a >>F >>    /vak'sn/ (From "oxen", perhaps influenced by "vixen") The pluralE >>    canonically used among hackers for the DEC VAX  computers. "Oure6 >>    installation has four PDP-10s and twenty vaxen." >>H >> Yes, VAXen influenced by vixen.  I like that one!  Now let's get Russ+ >> Meyer to film that Superbowl ad for VMS!r >lB >Putting on my linguist hat:  The suffix "-en" found in _vixen_ is >a feminineoL >formant, cognate with German "-in" as seen in _Freundin_ "female friend" orB >_Studentin_ "female student", and is unrelated to the homophonous >plural suffix& >seen in _oxen_ (cf. German _Ochsen_). >e@ >However, the near-rhyme undoubtedly influenced the non-linguist >hackers at MITr: >and Stanford (the dual original home of the Jargon file). > H >> DEC meaning Digital does eventually show up near the end of the list.> >> The entry contains a link to Digital Equipment Corporation: >># >>    Digital Equipment Corporatione >>B >>    <company> (DEC) A computer manufacturer and software vendor. >>I >>    Before the killer micro revolution of the late 1980s, hackerdom wasa: >>    closely symbiotic with DEC's pioneering time-sharing >machines. The firstL >>    of the group of hacker cultures nucleated around the PDP-1 (see TMRC).B >>    Subsequently, the PDP-6, PDP-10, PDP-20, PDP-11 and VAX were >all foci of- >                                      ^^^^^^pI >>    large and important hackerdoms, and DEC machines long dominated they. >>    ARPANET and Internet machine population. >eJ >There ain't no sech animule.  The difference between a Decsystem-10 and a, >DECSYSTEM-20 is software, not architecture. >t >--n >Rich Alderson >alderson+news@panix.comA >  "You get what anybody gets.  You get a lifetime."  --Death, ofr >the Endless >e >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.i; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).MA >Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002e >s --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Oct 2002 14:30:00 -0400- From: Rich Alderson <alderson+news@panix.com>i' Subject: Re: singular and plural of VAXn. Message-ID: <mdd8z17sbx3.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:t  * > Interesting theory, but counter example,2 > Bekannte, Bekannten.  Ort, Orten, Tat, Taten QED  O Presumably, there is some way in which these perfectly regular German forms are,O supposed to be counterexamples to a simple statement of fact about English, butuO I fail to see the connection.  Are you claiming that the German _Pluralbildung_oN "-en" is to be identified with the German _Femininbildung_ "-in"?  Or that theM English feminine formant "-en" is not cognate with the German "-in"?  Or that K other "-en" formants in German (such as the so-called weak adjective stem), J homophonous with the German plural formant but not with the feminine, have anything to say on the matter?  , We can discuss this off-line, if you prefer.   >> -----Original Message----- ' >> From: alderson+news@panix5.panix.coms- >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:43 AMi >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* >> Subject: Re: singular and plural of VAX  > >> Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:  % >>>  VAXen is a link; let's go there!p >>> H >>>     /vak'sn/ (From "oxen", perhaps influenced by "vixen") The pluralG >>>     canonically used among hackers for the DEC VAX  computers. "Our&8 >>>     installation has four PDP-10s and twenty vaxen."  J >>>  Yes, VAXen influenced by vixen.  I like that one!  Now let's get Russ- >>>  Meyer to film that Superbowl ad for VMS!n  O >> Putting on my linguist hat:  The suffix "-en" found in _vixen_ is a feminine.N >> formant, cognate with German "-in" as seen in _Freundin_ "female friend" orK >> _Studentin_ "female student", and is unrelated to the homophonous plural / >> suffix seen in _oxen_ (cf. German _Ochsen_).0   -- 6N Rich Alderson                                          alderson+news@panix.comL   "You get what anybody gets.  You get a lifetime."  --Death, of the Endless   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:34:45 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>r' Subject: RE: singular and plural of VAX.9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEBIFOAA.tom@kednos.com>   : N, I was simply pointing out that the association with the> feminine formant was a stretch.  Everybody knows that VAXen is? plural and not feminine.  And I hope this Horse is dead becausea% it doesn't have a lot to do with VMS!a   >-----Original Message----- % >From: alderson+news@panix5.panix.comoB >[mailto:alderson+news@panix5.panix.com]On Behalf Of Rich Alderson+ >Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:30 AMa >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: Re: singular and plural of VAX >n >u& >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: >v+ >> Interesting theory, but counter example,a3 >> Bekannte, Bekannten.  Ort, Orten, Tat, Taten QEDh > ? >Presumably, there is some way in which these perfectly regular- >German forms are-C >supposed to be counterexamples to a simple statement of fact aboutN
 >English, butc@ >I fail to see the connection.  Are you claiming that the German >_Pluralbildung_B >"-en" is to be identified with the German _Femininbildung_ "-in"? >Or that the> >English feminine formant "-en" is not cognate with the German >"-in"?  Or thatL >other "-en" formants in German (such as the so-called weak adjective stem),K >homophonous with the German plural formant but not with the feminine, havei >anything to say on the matter?  >0- >We can discuss this off-line, if you prefer.e >d >>> -----Original Message-----( >>> From: alderson+news@panix5.panix.com. >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:43 AM >>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + >>> Subject: Re: singular and plural of VAX. >r? >>> Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:t > & >>>>  VAXen is a link; let's go there! >>>>I >>>>     /vak'sn/ (From "oxen", perhaps influenced by "vixen") The plural H >>>>     canonically used among hackers for the DEC VAX  computers. "Our9 >>>>     installation has four PDP-10s and twenty vaxen."u >sK >>>>  Yes, VAXen influenced by vixen.  I like that one!  Now let's get Russ . >>>>  Meyer to film that Superbowl ad for VMS! > B >>> Putting on my linguist hat:  The suffix "-en" found in _vixen_ >is a feminine< >>> formant, cognate with German "-in" as seen in _Freundin_ >"female friend" orpL >>> _Studentin_ "female student", and is unrelated to the homophonous plural0 >>> suffix seen in _oxen_ (cf. German _Ochsen_). >  >--n >Rich Alderson >alderson+news@panix.comA >  "You get what anybody gets.  You get a lifetime."  --Death, ofm >the Endless >h >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).OA >Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002c >R ---4& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:26:37 GMT41 From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jerry.braga@rogers.com>w@ Subject: Re: Tally Printer causing overflow data underrun errorsE Message-ID: <1P3p9.1892$vX.1426@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   K got this fixed, we had to change the printer RTS and DTR settings to ignore2E using these signals, once we did the XOF we being handshaked properly1  - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in messagei/ news:anvd65$hebc9$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de... B > What happens if you run the printer at 9600 (or even 4800) baud? > = > "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> schreef in bericht / > news:Xqmo9.110324$C8.313585@nnrp1.uunet.ca...oD > > I have a tally MT691 printer that is configured for telnet based printingK > > and when you place the printer off-line for a period of time while datae isL > > being sent or when it runs out of paper and then you reset it causes the > > same problem.  > > L > > We have genicom printers on the same terminal server DECServer 900TM andJ > > they are running fine,  and to the point as when I plug into the tally thegL > > working cable of the genicom printer (port settings and telnet listeners > areMH > > identical) it also has the same problems.  So this must be something with< > > the terminal server and this particular type of printer. > >e > > Settings on portsI > >N9 > > Port 24: KIT_PRT_11                    Server: TKIT02W > >EJ > > Character Size:            8           Input Speed:              19200J > > Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:             19200J > > Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        DisabledK > > Stop Bits:           1                  Signal Select:  CTS-DSR-RTS-DTRa > >hJ > > Access:               Remote           Local Switch:              NoneJ > > Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                   PORT_24J > > Break:              Disabled           Session Limit:                1J > > Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      AnsiJ > > Default Protocol:     Telnet           Default Menu:              NoneJ > > Autolink Timer One:10 Two:10           Dialer Script:             None > >D& > > Dedicated Service: REN.FLANAGAN.CA > > Authorized Groups:   0 > > (Current)  Groups:   0 > >t > > Enabled Characteristics:I > > Autoconnect,  Autoprompt,  Broadcast,  Failover,  Input Flow Control,DC > > Lock,  Loss Notification,  Message Codes,  Output Flow Control,T > > Verification > >AH > > Printer is setup for XON/XOFF flow with the proper baud rates / stop bits > /g
 > > parity > >nK > > I have tried on the printer RDY/BSY flow but the same problem is there.t > >  > > Any ideas ?A > >  > > -- > > Jerry Alan Braga > > Senior Programmer Analysta > > Flanagan Foodservice > > (519) 748-2190 Ext. 3361 > > jabraga@flanagan.ca  > >c > >  >n   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Oct 2002 13:40:44 -07000% From: b.groves@mindspring.com (Brian)r. Subject: TCPIP,VMS 7.2.1 Alpha, license issue?= Message-ID: <f915e366.0210091240.1179b21f@posting.google.com>    Thanks up front.E We've got a DEC 2100 Alpha with VMS 7.2.1 that we are trying to bringa8 up.  Once up we need to FTP some files to a Windows box.9 We are getting an error when trying to FTP from that box.e+ "...OPERATION REQUIRES SOFTWARE LICENSE..."g   When we check licensing, I see NET-APP-SUP-200p
 OPENVMS-ALPHA  OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER UCX   F We have been confused about UCX, TCPIP, VMS 7.2.x and that may be partE of the issue.  I have read in other threads that the UCX license willvB work with VMS 7.2.1. and that turns on all the TCPIP that we would need.g  A While troubleshooting, I got into TCPIP> interactive menu .  PINGn5 doesn't work either for anything else on the network.k  
 Any ideas? Thanks,  Brian.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:41:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 2 Subject: Re: TCPIP,VMS 7.2.1 Alpha, license issue?, Message-ID: <3DA4B0A8.48FE75F0@videotron.ca>   Brian wrote:G > We've got a DEC 2100 Alpha with VMS 7.2.1 that we are trying to bringa: > up.  Once up we need to FTP some files to a Windows box.; > We are getting an error when trying to FTP from that box.s- > "...OPERATION REQUIRES SOFTWARE LICENSE..."t  < You didn't mention which version of TCPIP Services you have.  , Also. have you tried LICENSE LIST UCX/FULL ?  6 Things to check: Status: Active  and Termination Date:  1 You can try LICENSE LOAD UCX to see what it says.g  M I have 7.2 with one node at TCPIP 5.3 and one node at TCPIP 5.0 and both workn fine with UCX licenset   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:02:14 GMTd! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz 2 Subject: Re: TCPIP,VMS 7.2.1 Alpha, license issue?& Message-ID: <3da4cca8.2495477486@news>  D On 9 Oct 2002 13:40:44 -0700, b.groves@mindspring.com (Brian) wrote:   >Thanks up front. F >We've got a DEC 2100 Alpha with VMS 7.2.1 that we are trying to bring9 >up.  Once up we need to FTP some files to a Windows box.d: >We are getting an error when trying to FTP from that box., >"...OPERATION REQUIRES SOFTWARE LICENSE..." >-F The net-app-sup-200 license should also provide support for UCX/TCPIP.@ UCX was the product name up until around 4.x, from 5 it was then called TCPIP.   C "OPERATION REQUIRES SOFTWARE LICENSE" doesn't seem a very VMS style C error, but it's been a while since I've tested a system without thes correct licenses.u  ' You may need to supply the output from:l TCPIP> show version  TCPIP> show serviceo     >When we check licensing, I see. >NET-APP-SUP-200 >OPENVMS-ALPHA >OPENVMS-ALPHA-USERd >UCX >pG >We have been confused about UCX, TCPIP, VMS 7.2.x and that may be partdF >of the issue.  I have read in other threads that the UCX license willC >work with VMS 7.2.1. and that turns on all the TCPIP that we woulds >need. >-D VMS is the OS and shouldn't feature on the license issue. But, later> versions of TCPIP require later versions of VMS, however later9 versions of VMS will run quite old versions of TCPIP/UCX.   B >While troubleshooting, I got into TCPIP> interactive menu .  PING6 >doesn't work either for anything else on the network. >n  Does TCPIP> Ping 127.0.0.1 work?   >Any ideas?oB Edit sys$manager:operator.log and see if there are any errors when0 TCPIP started, this may indicate license issues.  / I take it the Windows box does have FTP Loaded?i >Thanks, >Brian   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:23:50 +0000 (UTC)p* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)< Subject: Re: Why slow system when using logical search list?0 Message-ID: <ao2kr5$sg1$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  M Well, folks, I've done more experimenting, and have more data for you on this  problem.  A brief recap:  E When I use a search list to do an open to a file (in a test program),UI with one of the elements of the search list being a remote system and the L others being local disks, and the files actually reside onthe remote system,N it takes about 45 secs to read through a file, during which time there is highI kernel mode and interrupt mode activity (35% and 30%).  If I redefine the)L logical name to not be a search list but point only to the remote system (so? there is still network traffic), it takes only 8 secs per file.w  M I wrote another short test program that eliminated all subroutine, simplifiediJ the test case quite a bit.  I created a variable length file, unformatted,N 40 byte records, with 10000 records.  I read it using Fortran unformatted READJ of a 10-element integer array.  I open the file with the READONLY keyword.  L When I ran the test program it again took much more time using a search listI than without one: 25 secs per file vs. 4 secs.  Also, the processor modessE changed greatly: the kernel+interrupt mode time went from 16% to 73%.t  O At Hein's suggestion I set FAL$LOG to 7 and looked at the net$server.log file. sO This showed something *very* interesting.  To shorten the dump, I decreased the 0 size of the test files from 10000 to 10 records.  L In the no search list case, the client system sent *one* GET request and the; server (remote) system returned 10 records as DAT messages.o  M In the search list case, the client system sent one GET request at a time and N the server system returned one DAT message for each, with a lot of handshakingK messages in between.  My theory is that this is where the extra kernel mode C time is being spent, sending those overhead message back and forth.t  N Does anyone have an idea why Fortran RTL (or RMS) would change its behavior inN this manner?  Let me know if you want the details of the transactions; I saved the net$server.log file.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edur   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:00:16 -0400h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c< Subject: Re: Why slow system when using logical search list?, Message-ID: <3DA4DF2F.7F4B9DD7@videotron.ca>   Lawrence Bleau wrote:sN > In the no search list case, the client system sent *one* GET request and the= > server (remote) system returned 10 records as DAT messages.v  O > In the search list case, the client system sent one GET request at a time andsP > the server system returned one DAT message for each, with a lot of handshaking > messages in between.    K Just a shot in the dark. is itr possible that the search list consumes morepK buffquo or other resource and that results in the program telling decnet toaG send only small packets, whereas when you have no search list, there is 6 sufficient quota available for larger decnet buffers ?  N Does it make a difference if the remote file is located as the first item of a searchlist or at the bottom ?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.559 ************************