1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 12 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 564       Contents: Advanced server 7.3  Re: Advanced server 7.3  Re: Advanced server 7.3 ? Re: CERT Advisory CA-2002-28 Trojan Horse Sendmail Distribution + CSWS 1.2 + mod_jk + JBoss with Tomcat 4.0.x  Re: Disable access log on CSWS Re: Disable access log on CSWS% Re: Grant an identifier to an image ? 8 Re: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible8 RE: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible8 Re: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible8 Re: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible8 Re: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible' Re: Ncurses porting and cbreak(ed) read * Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and TCPware 5.6 question@ Re: OpenVMS immunity to virus and security breeches from hackers& OT Humour - If Microsoft made toasters* Re: OT Humour - If Microsoft made toasters powerterm and XP Re: Proprietary or Open Source Re: singular and plural of VAX RE: singular and plural of VAX RE: singular and plural of VAX toasters V7.3-1 Volume Shadowing question ! Re: Why is LTA0: offline mounted? ! Re: Why is LTA0: offline mounted? ( Re: www.openvms.compaq.com has been HPed( Re: www.openvms.compaq.com has been HPed( Re: www.openvms.compaq.com has been HPed# Re: ZDNet says you're dead by 2004!   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:35:22 +0200 , From: "Toine Dirven" <tdirven@volvocars.com> Subject: Advanced server 7.33 Message-ID: <ao8jbj$i3e9@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com>    Hello,  / I'm using advanced server 7.3 on OpenVMS 7.2-2. A I installed advanced server and configured it as a primary domian  controller.   < I want to modify for a user that his password never expires.  When I do that it still expires.   This is what I do.2 The password still expires. How can I solve this ?  7 > MOD USER TDIRVEN/PASSWORD=ABCDEFGH/FLAGS=NOPWDEXPIRED   " VCGPROD2\\NVE> SHO USER TDIRVEN/FU  # User accounts in domain "VCGPROD2":   ? User Name             Full Name             Type    Description L --------------------  --------------------  ------  ------------------------ ----2 tdirven                                     Global     User profile:      Logon script:      Home Path:     Primary Group: Domain Users -     Member of groups: Domain Users, JavaUsers -     Workstations: No workstation restrictions )     Logon Flags: Login script is executed      Account Type: Global     Account Expires: Never!     Last logon: 08/21/02 04:00 PM (     Password last set: 10/12/02 09:23 AMD     Password expires: 11/23/02 08:23 AM           <== ( it should be Password expires: Never ) *     Password changeable: 10/12/02 09:23 AM     Logon hours: (All hours)     Total of 1 user account      Best regards,      Toine Dirven   Volvo Cars   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:48:58 +0200 * From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>  Subject: Re: Advanced server 7.3* Message-ID: <3DA7E1FA.8050309@tzora.co.il>  H /[NO]PWDEXPIRE signifies that the password is (not) ALREADY expired. If C it is the userr willbe given a chance to change passwords at login.   H For what you need, see /PASSWDLIFE (possible spelling mistake there, as  I do not have VMS to hand.)    Mike   Toine Dirven wrote:    > Hello, > 1 > I'm using advanced server 7.3 on OpenVMS 7.2-2. C > I installed advanced server and configured it as a primary domian 
 > controller.  > > > I want to modify for a user that his password never expires." > When I do that it still expires. >  > This is what I do.4 > The password still expires. How can I solve this ? >  > 7 >>MOD USER TDIRVEN/PASSWORD=ABCDEFGH/FLAGS=NOPWDEXPIRED  >> > $ > VCGPROD2\\NVE> SHO USER TDIRVEN/FU > % > User accounts in domain "VCGPROD2":  > A > User Name             Full Name             Type    Description N > --------------------  --------------------  ------  ------------------------ > ----4 > tdirven                                     Global >     User profile:  >     Logon script:  >     Home Path:! >     Primary Group: Domain Users / >     Member of groups: Domain Users, JavaUsers / >     Workstations: No workstation restrictions + >     Logon Flags: Login script is executed  >     Account Type: Global >     Account Expires: Never# >     Last logon: 08/21/02 04:00 PM * >     Password last set: 10/12/02 09:23 AMF >     Password expires: 11/23/02 08:23 AM           <== ( it should be > Password expires: Never ) , >     Password changeable: 10/12/02 09:23 AM >     Logon hours: (All hours) >  >   Total of 1 user account  >  >   Best regards,  >  >   Toine Dirven >   Volvo Cars >  >  >  >      --    & New to c.o.vms? allow me to recommend:6 http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htmE --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* E Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home):(972)-2-9908337 C    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%" E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 12:41:22 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>  Subject: Re: Advanced server 7.35 Message-ID: <ao8u8p$kfgh5$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>    Toine   A the PWDEXPIRE flag indicates pre-expiration. A new VMS account is H pre-expired by default and that forces the user to enter a new password.! If no expiration is desired, use:   + $ mc authorize mod <usercode>/pwdlifetime=0    Hans9 "Toine Dirven" <tdirven@volvocars.com> schreef in bericht - news:ao8jbj$i3e9@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com...  > Hello, > 1 > I'm using advanced server 7.3 on OpenVMS 7.2-2. C > I installed advanced server and configured it as a primary domian 
 > controller.  > > > I want to modify for a user that his password never expires." > When I do that it still expires. >  > This is what I do.4 > The password still expires. How can I solve this ? > 9 > > MOD USER TDIRVEN/PASSWORD=ABCDEFGH/FLAGS=NOPWDEXPIRED  > $ > VCGPROD2\\NVE> SHO USER TDIRVEN/FU > % > User accounts in domain "VCGPROD2":  > A > User Name             Full Name             Type    Description L > --------------------  --------------------  ------  ---------------------- -- > ----4 > tdirven                                     Global >     User profile:  >     Logon script:  >     Home Path:! >     Primary Group: Domain Users / >     Member of groups: Domain Users, JavaUsers / >     Workstations: No workstation restrictions + >     Logon Flags: Login script is executed  >     Account Type: Global >     Account Expires: Never# >     Last logon: 08/21/02 04:00 PM * >     Password last set: 10/12/02 09:23 AMF >     Password expires: 11/23/02 08:23 AM           <== ( it should be > Password expires: Never ) , >     Password changeable: 10/12/02 09:23 AM >     Logon hours: (All hours) >  >   Total of 1 user account  >  >   Best regards,  >  >   Toine Dirven >   Volvo Cars >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:53:59 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) H Subject: Re: CERT Advisory CA-2002-28 Trojan Horse Sendmail Distribution& Message-ID: <H3v4tz.84M@world.std.com>  I In article <24np9.223993$8b1.46764@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, " John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:< > "Brian 'Jarai' Chase" <bdc@world.std.com> wrote in message" > news:H3sCnK.1yG@world.std.com...> > > In article <OPEPIPEJGHNICIJKJFEAEEOLFEAA.dallen@nist.gov>,& > > Dan Allen <dallen@nist.gov> wrote:  J > > >       Just demonstrates the virtues of Open Source software.  PublicH > > >       scrutiny is so much better than that proprietary code review7 > > >       stuff as we recently learned in this forum.  > > N > > FWIW, if you read the advisory, someone had broken into their FTP site andJ > > replaced the official distribution file with the compromised file.  ItI > > wasn't a failing of sendmail as Open Source software, rather it was a + > > failing in their FTP server's security.  > < > Perhaps the FTP server software was 'open source' too. ;-)  I Checking now, it looks like the FTP server running on ftp.sendmail.org is $ the one that's shipped with FreeBSD.  L > There are pro's and con's in the whole debate over open vs. closed source.L > In the end it comes down to the quality of the people, the testing regime,L > and the willingness not to release something that you believe isn't ready,- > as opposed to 'feature-rich and bug-laden'.   - I certainly agree with you on these points.     G In my opinion, anyone insisting that Open Source software is inherently I more secure than closed source software is silly in having that belief.   C Just as I would be critical of anyone suggesting that closed source : projects are inherently more secure than open source ones.   -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----9               "You are not expected to understand this."  D    -- A comment from the source of UNIX 6th Ed, unix/slp.c, line 438   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:26:44 +0200 6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>4 Subject: CSWS 1.2 + mod_jk + JBoss with Tomcat 4.0.x' Message-ID: <3DA85B54.30706@vajhoej.dk>    I got it working !  5 1) Install CSWS_JAVA 1.1 (even though I am only using      very little from that).   6 2) Create a mod_jk.conf (abc and xyz are my web apps):  ' LoadModule jk_module modules/mod_jk.exe    <IfModule mod_jk.c>   % JkWorkersFile conf/workers.properties  JkLogFile  logs/jk.log JkLogLevel warn  JkMount /*.jsp ajp13 JkMount /abc/* ajp13 JkMount /xyz/* ajp13   </IfModule>    3) Create workers.properties:   1 workers.tomcat_home=/disk1x/jboss_tomcat/catalina & workers.java_home=/sys$common/java$131 ps=/ worker.list=ajp12, ajp13 worker.ajp12.port=8007 worker.ajp12.host=localhost  worker.ajp12.type=ajp12  worker.ajp13.port=8009 worker.ajp13.host=localhost  worker.ajp13.type=ajp13   - 4) Include mod_jk.conf in httpd.conf and copy 3     mod_jk.exe to modules where I think it belongs.    5) Restart.    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 02 09:52:41 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ' Subject: Re: Disable access log on CSWS ) Message-ID: <BE$8xDcRE6Mu@elias.decus.ch>   ^ In article <3DA5A1C2.700@vajhoej.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:' > winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote:  > P >> Actually, the original poster who wanted to suppress the access log said thatP >> the access log file was showing up as a hotfile in their performance monitor,0 >> not that Apache was running too slow with it. >>  O >> My suggestion was that routing the access log to NLA0: would keep the access J >> log from showing up as a hot file, not that it would speed up Apache.   > + > I was assuming the purpose of getting rid - > of the hot file was to improve performance.  > Else I do not see much point.  >   E Not necessarily. If that file is getting say 100 times more hits than F the next file, it could be pushing other files deserving attention off  the bottom of the hot file list.  = > It was also suggested by someone else that it would improve  > performance: > J > #Sending to NL: will work, as Alan suggests, and will improve throughput< > #considerably for those who don't need access information. >    Now, let's put this one to bed.   E Your test program was recording _CPU time_, not _elapsed time_. Sorry D I didn't spot that earlier, but I got interruped mid-flow. You said:  3 > I just made a small test on my home system and my ' > disks are 4 times faster than NLA0: !   D Not true, as you can see from the output from my modified version of
 your program.   D I did a swift test yesterday at work, this time using COBOL. To makeF it more realistic, I used a 120 byte record (the mean record length ofC an access_log where I had been accessing the Apache documentation).   A Here are the results for 100,000 writes (page faults dropped from  the display to avoid wrapping)  D --------------------------------------------------------------------) This test results in a 23,438 block file.   F On a DS10 satellite, to a 9GB 2 member shadowset, served by dual HSJ50  controllers on 2 x 4100 servers:   $ r nl_test  Writing to data file... D  ELAPSED:    0 00:00:46.19  CPU: 0:00:00.38  BUFIO: 326  DIRIO: 1057 Writing to null device... D  ELAPSED:    0 00:00:02.25  CPU: 0:00:02.06  BUFIO: 0  DIRIO: 100000  / To same disk, run from one of the 4100 servers:    $ r nl_test  Writing to data file... D  ELAPSED:    0 00:00:21.51  CPU: 0:00:00.50  BUFIO: 326  DIRIO: 1057 Writing to null device... D  ELAPSED:    0 00:00:03.70  CPU: 0:00:03.12  BUFIO: 0  DIRIO: 100000  = On an 8400 to an 18GB 2 member shadowset on HSG80 controller:    $ r nl_test  Writing to data file... D  ELAPSED:    0 00:00:03.84  CPU: 0:00:01.57  BUFIO: 670  DIRIO: 2133 Writing to null device... D  ELAPSED:    0 00:00:03.67  CPU: 0:00:03.16  BUFIO: 0  DIRIO: 100000  ? And for comparison, my home system, a PWS 600au, to local disk:    $ r nl_test  Writing to data file... E  ELAPSED:    0 00:00:20.53  CPU: 0:00:00.44  BUFIO: 326  DIRIO: 1057   Writing to null device... E  ELAPSED:    0 00:00:02.25  CPU: 0:00:02.12  BUFIO: 0  DIRIO: 100000    D --------------------------------------------------------------------  @ So, using NL does result in a CPU overhead, but drastically less> elasped time on older hardware. As a side product, those HSG80 figures are impressive!   A At the end of the day, a couple of seconds difference in CPU time ' when writing >11 MB of data is peanuts.   C Conclusion: NLA0 could perhaps be swifter, but in no way represents ! the overhead you were talking of.    --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:05:38 +0200 6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>' Subject: Re: Disable access log on CSWS ) Message-ID: <3DA80202.9030304@vajhoej.dk>    Paul Sture wrote:   ` > In article <3DA5A1C2.700@vajhoej.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:+ >>I was assuming the purpose of getting rid - >>of the hot file was to improve performance.  >>Else I do not see much point.     G > Not necessarily. If that file is getting say 100 times more hits than H > the next file, it could be pushing other files deserving attention off" > the bottom of the hot file list.    " That is a rather far out argument.   :-)   G > Your test program was recording _CPU time_, not _elapsed time_. Sorry F > I didn't spot that earlier, but I got interruped mid-flow. You said: > 3 >>I just made a small test on my home system and my ' >>disks are 4 times faster than NLA0: !  > F > Not true, as you can see from the output from my modified version of > your program.     
 > $ r nl_test  > Writing to data file... F >  ELAPSED:    0 00:00:46.19  CPU: 0:00:00.38  BUFIO: 326  DIRIO: 1057 > Writing to null device... F >  ELAPSED:    0 00:00:02.25  CPU: 0:00:02.06  BUFIO: 0  DIRIO: 100000    B > So, using NL does result in a CPU overhead, but drastically less@ > elasped time on older hardware. As a side product, those HSG80 > figures are impressive!  > C > At the end of the day, a couple of seconds difference in CPU time ) > when writing >11 MB of data is peanuts.  > E > Conclusion: NLA0 could perhaps be swifter, but in no way represents # > the overhead you were talking of.      Good point.   ; The disks ofcourse add a lot of real time due to seek etc..   7 That is not relevant for applications where many things 3 are done in parallel, but writing a log-file is per 0 definition sequential, so that overhead directly effects the throughput.    Sorry for missing all that.    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 02 11:36:10 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) . Subject: Re: Grant an identifier to an image ?) Message-ID: <s+OQFmT$+Le7@elias.decus.ch>    In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0210111121580.9918-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>, "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> writes:% > On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, JF Mezei wrote:  > [...] 4 >>+Is there a reason why /SUBSYSTEM is not default ? >  >  Yes.  > ( >>+ Does it degrade system performance ? > 2 >  Probably no, at least no in measurable percent. > 5 >  Suspecting the third question ;) - it is security.  > 9 >  Volume owner can do *anything* on the volume, can also  > modify file headers :)7 >  Then can set *any* ACL to *any* image on the volume, 5 > and the *only* protection (to prevent the images be 1 > 'privileged' by subsystem on *whole* system) is 2 > privilege requirements when the "subsystem" flag	 > is set.   9 I'll just stress the importance of that. A few months ago ; I was showing someone how the protection system worked, and = was surprised to find that I could access files even when the 9 ACLs said I shouldn't be able to. It turned out I was the 4 volume owner, so had access even with no privileges.  2 Omitting INIT/SYSTEM had been my original mistake.  5 >  You can mount private volume without any privilege 7 > - but you can't mount it /SUBSYSTEM :) (I am not sure 7 > where privilege - CMKRNL or something - is required).  > 7 >  The same applies IMHO to cluster - using identifiers 6 > you can exclude access for some nodes, then the same7 > may be expected to be available for subsystem (I will 4 > say: you must be allowed to allow the images to be" > 'useable' on *some* nodes only). >  >  --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:25:55 GMT 0 From: rw@vorpalbunnyeircom.net (Russell Wallace)A Subject: Re: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible / Message-ID: <3da7f89b.48812403@news.eircom.net>   2 On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:00:34 -0400, Atlant Schmidt$ <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote:  + >(Where do you think Sun got the ~5,000 who * >staff(ed)-up their Burlington, MA campus?/ >Heck, in case folks didn't get the point, they  >even installed a clocktower!)  F I don't get the point - what's the significance of the clock tower? :)   --  3 "Mercy to the guilty is treachery to the innocent." + Remove killer rodent from address to reply. ! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:45:27 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> A Subject: RE: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A77@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  : >>> Can things become more grim for OpenVMS on Itanium?>>>  = Not if you follow recent events in the press and elsewhere ..   
 Reference:2 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,625178,00.asp "October 10, 2002 - Barrett: Itanium One Part of Intel's Big Plan   
 Re: Yamhill - @ "Barrett: I don't ever comment on rumours. There's been a lot ofD speculation in the press about what Intel is doing. We have a 64-bit= strategy, and it happens to be the Itanium processor family."     G Also, by the way - for those who attended Mark Gorham's presentation at G HPETS2002 this week, what are your thoughts on the video with Carly and  her support of OpenVMS ?   :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom       -----Original Message-----2 From: Baby Peanut [mailto:baby_p_nut@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: October 11, 2002 5:32 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A Subject: Re: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible     . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF news:<9GBp9.183261$q41.152779@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...D > "John Eisenschmidt" <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> wrote in message=20/ > news:20021011141141.D6608@eisenschmidt.org... H > > "A U.S. district court ruled that Intel Corp.'s Itanium processor=20H > > infringes the intellectual property of Intergraph Corp., and ordered  ) > > Intel to pay $150 million in damages.  > > J > > Moreover, the judge ruled that Intergraph can ask for an injunction=20G > > blocking sales of the Itanium or Itanium 2 processors. The court=20 I > > ruled that Intel "directly infringes" patents held on Intergraph's=20 H > > "parallel instruction computing" (PIC) technology used in Intel's=20* > > Itanium family of 64-bit processors. " > > < > > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,626236,00.asp >=20 >=20D > So Intel gets caught with its hand in the cookie jar yet again.=20/ > Digital caved. Glad to see Intergraph hasn't.  >=20H > Interesting possibilities can come of this - by extension, HP may have  F > a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders to continue developing=20J > Alpha EV8 and PA-RISC for the long-term future health of the company.=20I > Seems to me that bringing the EV8 boys back into the fold would be a=20  > wise thing to do.   F If Intel has to cough up $150 million then they will pass the costs onA to the consumer driving up the price of the Itanic.  Meanwhile MS F doesn't seem to care if that chip drops dead or not and Linus TorvaldsH prays Intel will adopt Yamhill.  Can things become more grim for OpenVMS on Itanium?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:13:21 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>A Subject: Re: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible 6 Message-ID: <peadnUgqMthCgjWgXTWcqA@News.GigaNews.Com>  = "Russell Wallace" <rw@vorpalbunnyeircom.net> wrote in message ) news:3da7f89b.48812403@news.eircom.net... 4 > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:00:34 -0400, Atlant Schmidt& > <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote: > - > >(Where do you think Sun got the ~5,000 who , > >staff(ed)-up their Burlington, MA campus?1 > >Heck, in case folks didn't get the point, they   > >even installed a clocktower!) > H > I don't get the point - what's the significance of the clock tower? :)  6 It has a bell in it that tolled for DEC (now, for HP).  J Well, you did end your question with a smiley.  If you *really* don't knowG the significance:  DEC began in the Maynard Mill and had its management C center there pretty much throughout its history (though the bulk of I engineering moved elsewhere about 1980 - the PDP-10 group a bit earlier). J One of the central buildings in the mill complex had a clock tower perchedG on top, visible far and wide.  The mechanical clock mechanism had to be H wound regularly, and adventurous engineers would make pilgrimages up theL tower frequently (and around the bowels of the mill as well, where one storyL has it the 'maze of twisty little passages, all alike' came from:  it really, was a great place to explore for new-hires).  L Anyway, the clock tower came to symbolize DEC, and there's one on my 10-yearK DEC pocket knife (not one of DEC's best products, but I still treasure it).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:52:09 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> A Subject: Re: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible , Message-ID: <3DA83718.71E65E47@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:N > Anyway, the clock tower came to symbolize DEC, and there's one on my 10-yearM > DEC pocket knife (not one of DEC's best products, but I still treasure it).   R And the mill was one of the many things that palmer "discarded" during his tenure.  J So it would be significant if a bunch of diguts who left due to palmer gotJ hired by some other firm who then built the clock tower to make the digits1 "feel at home" and send a good insult to digital.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:28:59 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>A Subject: Re: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible 6 Message-ID: <68WdnToUXf80ojWgXTWcog@News.GigaNews.Com>  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A77@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. ..  : >>> Can things become more grim for OpenVMS on Itanium?>>>  = Not if you follow recent events in the press and elsewhere ..   
 Reference:2 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,625178,00.asp "October 10, 2002 - Barrett: Itanium One Part of Intel's Big Plan    *** I If this is the best example you can come up with, things are indeed grim. J Barrett appears to have become a master of understatement:  "We were a bitH slow in getting the Itanium 1 product out" - duh, a 4-year over-run on aH 3-year schedule.  And the strongest statement he can make about Itanic'sF general importance to Intel is "it is a part of our overall road map"? ***   G Also, by the way - for those who attended Mark Gorham's presentation at G HPETS2002 this week, what are your thoughts on the video with Carly and  her support of OpenVMS ?   *** H I'm curious too:  did it involve pom-poms?  More seriously, is there anyK indication that anyone outside the existing VMS community will ever see it?    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:22:53 +0200 * From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>0 Subject: Re: Ncurses porting and cbreak(ed) read* Message-ID: <3DA7CDCD.1050903@tzora.co.il>  B Definitely possible. BASIC has a built-in function that does this.   David J. Dachtera wrote:   > Bernard Giroud wrote:  > = >>In trying to port ncurses on to VMS, we just hit a problem:  >>? >>Is it possible to just set the terminal with a combination of A >>modes and characteristics so that the posix read in lib_getch.c : >>will return immediately for 1 key instead of waiting for >>a terminator?  >> > J > I'm sure what you want is possible using $QIOW, but I don't know if that > would be suitable. >  >      --    & New to c.o.vms? allow me to recommend:6 http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htmE --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* E Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home):(972)-2-9908337 C    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%" E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:53:48 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and TCPware 5.6 question : Message-ID: <TNOp9.32225$da7.868894@news20.bellglobal.com>   [snip]A > >No need to respond to this note. I've discovered the solution.  >  > And the answer is ?  > K > I've now a timezone and NTP config working, but I still wonder if it will < > switch timezones at the right time correctly. We'll see... >  [snip]  H Since OpenVMS will be switching the time, you don't want the OpenVMS andH TCPware to conflict with each other so it's best if you prevent NTP from making big time changes.   Type: $cnfnet NTP   G when you get to the question of WAYTOOBIG, change it from 4000 to 3000. K Since there are 3600 seconds in an hour, if the stack notices that its time L source has jumped by one hour, it will not attempt to change the local clock (deferring to the OS).  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2002 09:58:51 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> I Subject: Re: OpenVMS immunity to virus and security breeches from hackers 6 Message-ID: <20021012095851.23292.qmail@gacracker.org>  F On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, "warren sander" <warren.sander@compaq.com> wrote:  >fixed, it will mirror overnight >  >-warren  D >> > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/availability/HP_OPENVMS-HA-DT.htm   Yup, shows up as corrected now.   H You just slip in those little mistakes to see if we're paying attention. :-)      Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 02 12:15:25 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) / Subject: OT Humour - If Microsoft made toasters ) Message-ID: <NJvx7gg7YOSm@elias.decus.ch>    If SAP made toastersG The manual to run the toaster would be approximately 10,000 pages long. E The toaster would come with 2,500 switches which would all have to be C set in an exact pattern and in a precise sequence in order to toast C specific kinds of bread. Each pattern would be established by SAP's F experts as the "Best Practices" method of toasting that kind of bread.H It would take a team of basis and functional contractors about 1 year toE configure the toaster in the best manner and then another 6 months to @ test it. In the meantime your entire family would need to attendE extensive training classes on how to use the new toaster. In order to F support end users and consultants, MIT would establish a list-serv forA people to post questions and answers regarding toaster set-up and F operation. Of course, the online help would randomly pop up in German.E But once it was running (if ever...), you'd get the best toast in the  world.   If IBM made toastersH They would want one big toaster where people bring bread to be submittedD for overnight toasting. IBM would claim a worldwide market for five, maybe six toasters.      If Xerox made toastersF You could toast one-sided or double-sided. Successive slices would get> lighter and lighter. The toaster would jam your bread for you.   If Oracle made toasters G They'd claim their toaster was compatible with all brands and styles of C bread, but when you got it home you'd discover the Bagel Engine was G still in development, the Croissant Extension was three years away, and 7 that indeed the whole appliance was just blowing smoke.     If Hewlett-Packard made toastersE They would market the Reverse Toaster, which takes in toast and gives  you regular bread.   If Sony made toasters C The ToastMan, which would be barely larger than the single piece of F bread it is meant to toast, can be conveniently attached to your belt.  * And, of course: If Microsoft made toastersG Every time you bought a loaf of bread, you would have to buy a toaster. F You wouldn't have to take the toaster, but you'd still have to pay forB it anyway. Toaster '95 would weigh 15000 pounds (hence requiring aF reinforced steel countertop), draw enough electricity to power a smallE city, take up 95% of the space in your kitchen, would claim to be the C first toaster that lets you control how light or dark you want your D toast to be, and would secretly interrogate your other appliances toC find out who made them. Everyone would hate Microsoft toasters, but G nonetheless would buy them since most of the good bread only works with  their toasters.    If Apple made toastersG It would do everything the Microsoft toaster does, but 5 years earlier. J It's so intuitive to use it comes without any instructions, so you have to; visit usenet and buy a few books to find out how to use it.    If Linux made toastersF Anyone could build his own toaster from the spare parts in the garage,F but people would still pay money for pre-built toasters. All the parts? would be user serviceable, and the design plans would be freely G downloadable. Instead of the complexity of having to push a button, you   would simply type something like  3 toaster --toast_lightness=Urk --bread_type=0x963939   1 The toaster would burn your toast by default, but H once you enable the don't_burn_my_toast feature in /etc/toaster.conf (as? described in the TOASTER-RTFM-HOWTO, which sends you to a least E one README file, which in turn sends you to yet more, and at least an G hour or two's worth of surfing - you need to get online first) it would  toast reliably for years. D People who eat Linux toast say that it is better than Windows toast.   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2002 12:05:46 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> 3 Subject: Re: OT Humour - If Microsoft made toasters 6 Message-ID: <20021012120546.25992.qmail@gacracker.org>  8 On 12 Oct 02, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote: >If SAP made toasters H >The manual to run the toaster would be approximately 10,000 pages long.F >The toaster would come with 2,500 switches which would all have to beD >set in an exact pattern and in a precise sequence in order to toastD >specific kinds of bread. Each pattern would be established by SAP'sG >experts as the "Best Practices" method of toasting that kind of bread. I >It would take a team of basis and functional contractors about 1 year toeF >configure the toaster in the best manner and then another 6 months toA >test it. In the meantime your entire family would need to attendSF >extensive training classes on how to use the new toaster. In order toG >support end users and consultants, MIT would establish a list-serv foraB >people to post questions and answers regarding toaster set-up andG >operation. Of course, the online help would randomly pop up in German.jF >But once it was running (if ever...), you'd get the best toast in the >world.c >e >If IBM made toasters)I >They would want one big toaster where people bring bread to be submitted E >for overnight toasting. IBM would claim a worldwide market for five,  >maybe six toasters. >  >M >If Xerox made toastersoG >You could toast one-sided or double-sided. Successive slices would getf? >lighter and lighter. The toaster would jam your bread for you.V >  >If Oracle made toastersH >They'd claim their toaster was compatible with all brands and styles ofD >bread, but when you got it home you'd discover the Bagel Engine wasH >still in development, the Croissant Extension was three years away, and8 >that indeed the whole appliance was just blowing smoke. >-! >If Hewlett-Packard made toasters-F >They would market the Reverse Toaster, which takes in toast and gives >you regular bread.r >o >If Sony made toastersD >The ToastMan, which would be barely larger than the single piece ofG >bread it is meant to toast, can be conveniently attached to your belt.c >s+ >And, of course: If Microsoft made toasters H >Every time you bought a loaf of bread, you would have to buy a toaster.G >You wouldn't have to take the toaster, but you'd still have to pay forsC >it anyway. Toaster '95 would weigh 15000 pounds (hence requiring aBG >reinforced steel countertop), draw enough electricity to power a smallaF >city, take up 95% of the space in your kitchen, would claim to be theD >first toaster that lets you control how light or dark you want yourE >toast to be, and would secretly interrogate your other appliances to D >find out who made them. Everyone would hate Microsoft toasters, butH >nonetheless would buy them since most of the good bread only works with >their toasters. >o >If Apple made toastersnH >It would do everything the Microsoft toaster does, but 5 years earlier.K >It's so intuitive to use it comes without any instructions, so you have to < >visit usenet and buy a few books to find out how to use it. >2 >If Linux made toasters=G >Anyone could build his own toaster from the spare parts in the garage,/G >but people would still pay money for pre-built toasters. All the parts @ >would be user serviceable, and the design plans would be freelyH >downloadable. Instead of the complexity of having to push a button, you! >would simply type something likeu >c4 >toaster --toast_lightness=Urk --bread_type=0x963939 >@2 >The toaster would burn your toast by default, butI >once you enable the don't_burn_my_toast feature in /etc/toaster.conf (as @ >described in the TOASTER-RTFM-HOWTO, which sends you to a leastF >one README file, which in turn sends you to yet more, and at least anH >hour or two's worth of surfing - you need to get online first) it would >toast reliably for years.E >People who eat Linux toast say that it is better than Windows toast.o     And the missing bits...o    If Fisher Price made toasters...I "Baby's First Toaster" would have a hand-crank that you turn to toast the * bread that pops up like a Jack-in-the-box.    ( If The Rand Corporation made toasters...D It would be a large, perfectly smooth and seamless black cube. EveryC morning there would be a piece of toast on top of it. Their service J department would have an unlisted phone number, and the blueprints for theF box would be highly classified government documents. The X-Files would have an episode about it.      If the NSA made toasters...iI Your toaster would have a secret trap door that only the NSA could accesssJ in case they needed to get at your toast for reasons of national security.      Does DEC still make toasters?...1 They made good toasters in the '70s, didn't they?     % If the Franklin Mint made toasters... H Every month, you would receive another lovely hand-crafted piece of your0 authentic hand-crafted Civil War pewter toaster.     If Cray made toasters...> They would cost $16 million but would be faster than any other" single-slice toaster in the world.    % If Thinking Machines made toasters... F You would be able to toast 64,000 thousand pieces of bread at the same time.      If Timex made toasters...eG They would be cheap and small quartz-crystal wrist toasters that take a- licking and keep on toasting.-     If Radio Shack made toasters... J The staff would sell you a toaster, but not know anything about it. Or you2 could buy all the parts to build your own toaster.     If K-Tel sold toasters... F They would not be available in stores, and you would get a free set of
 Ginsu knives.e  * If University of Waterloo made toasters...: They would immediately spin-off a company called WatToast.     If Sun made toasters...-G The toast would burn often, but you could get a really good cuppa Java.e   If Tandem made toasters...J You could make toast 24 hours a day, and if a piece got burned the toaster( would automatically toast you a new one.   If Price Club made toasters...@ They'd be really cheap, as long as you bought a six-pack of 'em.     If Next made toasters...B They would be the most beautifully designed toasters in the world.I Unfortunately, there would be no way to get the bread inside. Ultimately,cF Next would stop selling toasters and decide instead to make bread that  could be used in other toasters.    
 Any more? :-)n     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netx   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:15:58 +1000o@ From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au> Subject: powerterm and XPV< Message-ID: <3da7be5b$0$18872$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  3 Anyone got a version of powerterm that works on XP?    my 5.4 version doesn't.-  5 Im using something called putty which seems to be ok.-2 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/   antony   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2002 01:23:24 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: Proprietary or Open Sourcea- Message-ID: <873crbd10z.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   F > Emacs is big and powerful, but calling it an OS, is maybe stratching > it :-)  D Why? It just needs a bigger than average bootloader :). Use SCO unixN for a year or so and you will really understand. (Or perhaps that should read," use Emacs to *avoid* using SCO...)   -- l< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 02 11:16:05 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture).' Subject: Re: singular and plural of VAXe) Message-ID: <R3zcYlz8jI6w@elias.decus.ch>   e In article <20021010150544.0f6be587.rob@bbp.ch.remove>, Roland Barmettler <rob@bbp.ch.remove> writes:  > Bob Koehler schrieb:F >> In article <01KNHWL06DWY9QWKOO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip6 >> Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:B >> > Interestingly, it is DIE Vax (feminine) in German.  Computer,E >> > Rechner etc are masculine.  It is DIE Maschine, but I doubt thata& >> > is why VAX is feminine in German. >> r, >>    So is it die VMS, der VMS, or das VMS? >  > _das_ VMS  ;-) l >    's VMS ? :-)  B This thread provoked a discussion with a Swiss colleague who has a German wife.  @ On the subject of whether Nutella is "die Nutella" (him) or "dasG Nutella" (her) severe marital discord was on the horizon, only resolved  by visiting:  7 http://www.nutella.de/all_about_nutella/faq/intro.asp#1dD (in German, and don't bother visiting the home url except with MSIE)  F Basically, it's an imaginary, made up word, registered as a trademark,< so anything goes. When joined with another word, for exampleE Nutella-Brot, the normal German rule of taking the gender of the last'& word applies, hence "das Nuttelabrot".  " So I suppose everyone is right :-)   -- u
 Paul Sture Switzerlandn   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 02 12:31:03 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ' Subject: RE: singular and plural of VAXa) Message-ID: <osk7$VY52PCb@elias.decus.ch>t  W In article <01C27101.70164990@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: G > They are (or the founder is) responsible for a lot of the differences-H > between American English and Proper English. For example, I believe itI > was Webster who started the barbaric practice of pronouncing the letter-F > "Z" as Zee instead of Zed, and dropping the absolutely essential "u"H > from colour. It wouldn't surprise me to learn they'd mangled "nuclear" > too. > G > (Dons asbestos underwear in anticipation of friendly retaliation from!  > the colonials on the list...)  >  Nice to see you back.   M If you look up www.m-w.com and tap in nuclear, they do have 2 pronunciations:s  + Pronunciation: 'n-klE-&r, 'ny-, -ky&-l&r   D The 3rd sound file there definitely sounds like nook-yular to me :-(   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 07:14:03 -0700p# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>e' Subject: RE: singular and plural of VAXo9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEFGFOAA.tom@kednos.com>a  # Obviously it has to be die Nutella,k  ( (l. , sing.) Nutellum, (pl.) Nutella :-)   >-----Original Message----- 1 >From: Paul Sture [mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch]o) >Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 2:16 AMp >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: Re: singular and plural of VAX >e > @ >In article <20021010150544.0f6be587.rob@bbp.ch.remove>, Roland ' >Barmettler <rob@bbp.ch.remove> writes:t >> Bob Koehler schrieb: G >>> In article <01KNHWL06DWY9QWKOO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, PhillipC7 >>> Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:tC >>> > Interestingly, it is DIE Vax (feminine) in German.  Computer,vF >>> > Rechner etc are masculine.  It is DIE Maschine, but I doubt that' >>> > is why VAX is feminine in German.s >>> - >>>    So is it die VMS, der VMS, or das VMS?i >> s >> _das_ VMS  ;-)  >> i >h
 >'s VMS ? :-)  >iC >This thread provoked a discussion with a Swiss colleague who has au
 >German wife.a >oA >On the subject of whether Nutella is "die Nutella" (him) or "dashH >Nutella" (her) severe marital discord was on the horizon, only resolved
 >by visiting:r >e8 >http://www.nutella.de/all_about_nutella/faq/intro.asp#1E >(in German, and don't bother visiting the home url except with MSIE)t >lG >Basically, it's an imaginary, made up word, registered as a trademark,s= >so anything goes. When joined with another word, for example F >Nutella-Brot, the normal German rule of taking the gender of the last' >word applies, hence "das Nuttelabrot".L >i# >So I suppose everyone is right :-)m >v >--  >Paul Sturen >Switzerland >s >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.,; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).nA >Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002r >u ---o& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 12:28:11 +0200y* From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il> Subject: toasterss* Message-ID: <3DA7F93B.8050908@tzora.co.il>   If SAP made toastersG The manual to run the toaster would be approximately 10,000 pages long.eE The toaster would come with 2,500 switches which would all have to beaC set in an exact pattern and in a precise sequence in order to toast-C specific kinds of bread. Each pattern would be established by SAP'sDF experts as the "Best Practices" method of toasting that kind of bread.H It would take a team of basis and functional contractors about 1 year toE configure the toaster in the best manner and then another 6 months ton@ test it. In the meantime your entire family would need to attendE extensive training classes on how to use the new toaster. In order toeF support end users and consultants, MIT would establish a list-serv forA people to post questions and answers regarding toaster set-up andeF operation. Of course, the online help would randomly pop up in German.E But once it was running (if ever...), you'd get the best toast in the  world.   If IBM made toastersH They would want one big toaster where people bring bread to be submittedD for overnight toasting. IBM would claim a worldwide market for five, maybe six toasters.O     If Xerox made toastersF You could toast one-sided or double-sided. Successive slices would get> lighter and lighter. The toaster would jam your bread for you.   If Oracle made toasters G They'd claim their toaster was compatible with all brands and styles ofBC bread, but when you got it home you'd discover the Bagel Engine was-G still in development, the Croissant Extension was three years away, and 7 that indeed the whole appliance was just blowing smoke.a    If Hewlett-Packard made toastersE They would market the Reverse Toaster, which takes in toast and givesc you regular bread.   If Sony made toasterssC The ToastMan, which would be barely larger than the single piece ofyF bread it is meant to toast, can be conveniently attached to your belt.  * And, of course: If Microsoft made toastersG Every time you bought a loaf of bread, you would have to buy a toaster.FF You wouldn't have to take the toaster, but you'd still have to pay forB it anyway. Toaster '95 would weigh 15000 pounds (hence requiring aF reinforced steel countertop), draw enough electricity to power a smallE city, take up 95% of the space in your kitchen, would claim to be thetC first toaster that lets you control how light or dark you want youriD toast to be, and would secretly interrogate your other appliances toC find out who made them. Everyone would hate Microsoft toasters, butiG nonetheless would buy them since most of the good bread only works withr their toasters..   If Apple made toastersG It would do everything the Microsoft toaster does, but 5 years earlier.oJ It's so intuitive to use it comes without any instructions, so you have to; visit usenet and buy a few books to find out how to use it.a   If Linux made toastersF Anyone could build his own toaster from the spare parts in the garage,F but people would still pay money for pre-built toasters. All the parts? would be user serviceable, and the design plans would be freely G downloadable. Instead of the complexity of having to push a button, you   would simply type something like  3 toaster --toast_lightness=Urk --bread_type=0x963939l  1 The toaster would burn your toast by default, butrH once you enable the don't_burn_my_toast feature in /etc/toaster.conf (as? described in the TOASTER-RTFM-HOWTO, which sends you to a least1E one README file, which in turn sends you to yet more, and at least aneG hour or two's worth of surfing - you need to get online first) it wouldo toast reliably for years.oD People who eat Linux toast say that it is better than Windows toast.     -- i  & New to c.o.vms? allow me to recommend:6 http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htm= Other useful links at http://eisner.decusserve.org/~rechtman/oE --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.e? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*sE Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home):(972)-2-9908337.C    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"dE ---------------------------------------------------------------------.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 08:59:15 -0400  From: "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net> Subject: V7.3-1P/ Message-ID: <uqg709rku4di4f@news.supernews.com>   6 Anyone got a complete copy they want to sell or trade?   -- Island Computers US Corp.i 2700 Gregory St, Ste 180 Savannah GA 31404, USA Tel: (00) 1 912 447 662y Fax: (00) 1 912 201 0096 sales@hpaq.net www.islandco.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 05:30:45 -0600s$ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>" Subject: Volume Shadowing question) Message-ID: <3DA807E5.E3427F7F@cha.ab.ca>A  @ I've been setting up some two- and three- member shadow sets forH testing.  In the process, I realized how easy it is to get rid of shadowF sets.  Now if one had a production shadow set called DSA999 and a testA shadow set DSA998, and one accidentally entered "DISMOUNT/CLUSTERhG DSA999" instead of "DISMOUNT/CLUSTER DSA998", the production shadow setnE DSA999 would dissolve, and users accessing it would most likely hang. E Is there not or should there not be a safeguard against this, such asmF asking for confirmation before deleting the shadow set if it still has members in it?E I have been using HBVS for quite a while (DUS Phase 1), and I thought D with DUS shadowing, one had to remove the shadow members in order to dissolve the DUS shadow set.     -- Leeu   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 02 12:45:00 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)y* Subject: Re: Why is LTA0: offline mounted?) Message-ID: <l3TXwnar2XPN@elias.decus.ch>P  n In article <b096a4ee.0210110833.104f1d40@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:F > How can LTA0: be mounted when it's offline? What does it mean? (It's, > not a problem; I'm just curious about it.) > 
 > $ SH DEV LTi >  e0 > Device                  Device           Error0 >  Name                   Status           Count0 > LTA0:                   Offline mounted      00 > LTA1:                   Online               0 >  > $ SH DEV LTA0/FULf >  d; > Terminal LTA0:, device type unknown, is offline, mounted,- > record-oriented-: >     device, carriage control, device is a template only. >  yH >     Error count                    0    Operations completed          
 >        0H >     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                     
 > [SYSTEM]? >     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot             > > S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W H >     Reference count                0    Default buffer size           
 >       80 > B > VAX/VMS v6.1; v6.2 also shows "Offline mounted" for this device. >   E As it says, it is simply a template, used when creating real devices.o -- T
 Paul Sture Switzerlandc   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:44:10 -0400  From: Everhart <ge@gce.com>i* Subject: Re: Why is LTA0: offline mounted?+ Message-ID: <ao9g0n$o0f$1@bob.news.rcn.net>n  ( Offline because it is a template device.@ Mounted because an ACP is associated with it. Evidently you have7 a print spooler, LAT, or some such software associated.e       Paul Sture wrote:.p > In article <b096a4ee.0210110833.104f1d40@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: > F >>How can LTA0: be mounted when it's offline? What does it mean? (It's, >>not a problem; I'm just curious about it.) >>
 >>$ SH DEV LT  >> j0 >>Device                  Device           Error0 >> Name                   Status           Count0 >>LTA0:                   Offline mounted      00 >>LTA1:                   Online               0 >> >>$ SH DEV LTA0/FULc >> .; >>Terminal LTA0:, device type unknown, is offline, mounted,h >>record-orientedA: >>    device, carriage control, device is a template only. >> 0H >>    Error count                    0    Operations completed          
 >>       0H >>    Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                     
 >>[SYSTEM]? >>    Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot               >>S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,WrH >>    Reference count                0    Default buffer size           
 >>      80 >>B >>VAX/VMS v6.1; v6.2 also shows "Offline mounted" for this device. >> >  > G > As it says, it is simply a template, used when creating real devices.h   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 02 11:50:39 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)n1 Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com has been HPedt) Message-ID: <D5cunSgX3cNg@elias.decus.ch>o  c In article <Xns92A48C35CB877pescatmimer@195.58.103.121>, per@nospam.mimer.se (Per Schrder) writes:l0 > Seriously, can't you just drop all javascript? >  > What do you *NEED* it for? > J > I do all my browsing with javascript turned off. It's this thing I have E > with computers and security; I surf the internet because I want to iM > read/find information, not because I want my computer to execute arbitrary w. > code that it stumbles over on various sites. > N > I have yet to find a site that NEEDs javascript. Fully functional sites can K > be built without it. (Many sites don't work if javascript is turned off, eH > but I believe all of them could be made to work if they were properly  > designed.) > N > So ditch the javascript, and make your sites more compatible with different  > kind of browsers!N >   E The worst site I came across this week claimed I had an "underpowerede@ browser" because I was running with Javascript disabled. TotallyD unnecessary, as the page displayed perfectly, but then redirected meH to a page saying sorry, no go. The back button was all that was required' to view the page, as I said, perfectly.f   -- d
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 12:55:16 +0200s6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>1 Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com has been HPedi) Message-ID: <3DA7FF94.1060407@vajhoej.dk>*   Per Schrder wrote:   0 > Seriously, can't you just drop all javascript? >  > What do you *NEED* it for?    N > I have yet to find a site that NEEDs javascript. Fully functional sites can K > be built without it. (Many sites don't work if javascript is turned off,  H > but I believe all of them could be made to work if they were properly  > designed.) > N > So ditch the javascript, and make your sites more compatible with different  > kind of browsers!o   There are two questions:  6 1)  Do we need JavaScript in a perfect world ? No - we<      can do without it !  (there are cases where client-sideB      scripting can be convenient but not necesarry - to do various'      things without server interaction)e  B 2)  Do we need JavaScript in the real world ? Yes - unfortunatetly      many sites require it.   ; Many sites do noy just have a little bit of JavaScript, but < have hundreds of lines in every page. And it is ussually not: even very good code. The majority of the web people do not> come with a programming background, but with a graphics/layoutA background. And the result: the web they produce is a maintenancea nigthmare !e   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:14:33 +0200a$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>1 Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com has been HPedt* Message-ID: <00A155A3.ADDA8557.6@decus.de>  1 "warren sander" <warren.sander@compaq.com> wrote:m  @ > If you think I just javascript just wait.. The new-new-new-new hp.com0 > templates have so much javascript it's unreal. >- > [...]- >-& > And finally 'why so much javascript' >0D > There are currently on the OpenVMS homepage 4 hunks of javascript. >u > [...]s >tB > I've tried to make sure that there isn't any javascript required pages onD > the site. There shouldn't be anything you can't do with javascript turned > off.? > That's why there are 2 ask the wizard pages. one with and one  withoutcF > javascript. I did that because doing the pop-ups is much faster than tryingC > to reload the page all the time. If you all want I could make thee@ > non-javascript page create new windows but the speed is really
 gained on theBC > n+1 PAGE not the first one and doing new windows for every q/a ish about as& > efficent as re-doing the index page.  C Sorry, but there is another page which uses JavaScript and isn't oft much use without it:  " http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver,C topic "the next generation HP AlphaServer systems" at the bottom ofe
 that page,  E linked from the OpenVMS page. (And AlphaServer systems are the "base"t for OpenVMS ... :-)o   Michaela   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2002 05:03:26 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski), Subject: Re: ZDNet says you're dead by 2004!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0210120403.6cf7c971@posting.google.com>n  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3DA6FEEC.E3EA4CF8@videotron.ca>...- > Atlant Schmidt wrote: 0 > >   http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-961495.html > N > Ok, I am puzzled. When Bob GQ Palmer accused Intel of stealing Alpha secretsM > in order to force Intel to relieve Digital from its money losing FAB plant,iN > wasn't the accusation that Intel had stolen Alpha secrets and used them  forO > its 8086 Pentium 3 ? That article says that Digital accused Intel of stealingb > Alpha stuff for its Itanium. > L > Also, at that time, did Digital transfer Alpha design engineers to Intel ?K > (the article  says so). Or did it just transfer the FAB plant employees ?t >   G this shows that all Palmer did at DEC was give away for free all of itswE technology to the highest bidder, which any one with any brains couldoB see ... I still say there should be an investigation by former DECB shareholders as I believe he cost them a great deal of money whileG pocketing big personal payoffs from intel and others ... either that ore he was a complete idiot!   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.564 ************************