1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 13 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 565       Contents: Digital to Intel RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters/ Re: How hard is this for HP to do?  Clustering? / Re: How hard is this for HP to do?  Clustering? / Re: How hard is this for HP to do?  Clustering? / Re: How hard is this for HP to do?  Clustering? / Re: How hard is this for HP to do?  Clustering? / Re: How hard is this for HP to do?  Clustering? 8 RE: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible Re: Mozilla and CSS  My very old tapes...' Re: Ncurses porting and cbreak(ed) read  Re: powerterm and XP store .MOV file on a VMS disk?" Re: store .MOV file on a VMS disk?" Re: store .MOV file on a VMS disk?C Re: Trying to install OVMS 7.0 on Digital Alphaserver 1000 4/266... " VAXELN License for SIMH simulators VMS on IA64 spoted in the wild" Re: VMS on IA64 spoted in the wild" Re: VMS on IA64 spoted in the wild  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:00:03 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Digital to Intel ; Message-ID: <o30q9.21170$ZO1.1528367@news20.bellglobal.com>   H You've got to read this. It looks like Digital is the Kevin Bacon of the computer world.   * http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-961495.html    
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:58:24 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ' Subject: RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D974A@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Bill,   G >>> (too bad cHumPaq doesn't seem inclined to beat the drum itself):<<<   B While one has to be careful in view of the sensitivities involved,H OpenVMS does have a 9/11 related DR/DT testimonial now on the web site - in HP format as well.   
 Reference:H http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/commerzbank/commerzbank. pdf=20   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom       -----Original Message-----2 From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20 Sent: October 8, 2002 8:30 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters       3 "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> wrote in message 9 news:EL%m9.2076$F53.2101708@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com... F > An interest case came up this spring.  It wasn't a fault tolerant=20H > cluster, but its example points out there is more to disaster tolerent configurations( > than placing hardware in 2 or 3 sites.   ..  G As a slightly off-sub-thread excursion (since this seems to be the most F recent DR/DT thread in c.o.v.), if you look carefully in the followingG article you'll see VMS mentioned (too bad cHumPaq doesn't seem inclined  to beat the drum itself):   4 http://www.nwfusion.com/research/2002/1007feat2.html   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:14:44 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>8 Subject: Re: How hard is this for HP to do?  Clustering?5 Message-ID: <ao9sbf$kb2lu$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   D VMS does clustering, but perhaps not the way you may be used too :-)E It also works in the hobbyist package, provided you have a license of  course. D The cluster license comes separate from VMS, hobbyist and "regular".   Hans7 "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net> schreef in bericht & news:A8_p9.15154$rz6.2246@sccrnsc02...! > Still question that statement:P  > A > Not to beat this subject dead again, but VMS gets as popular as D > linux/BSD/windows it might get more people a cracking than noraml. > I > Hummm.  I didn't know VMS did clustering.  Does it work in the hobbiest 
 > package?0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB > news:mXFp9.14605$vX.7327@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...F > > Sybase manges to reach Wall Street Journal subscribers via the WSJ mailing  > > list I subscribe to.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:49:04 GMT * From: "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net>8 Subject: Re: How hard is this for HP to do?  Clustering?, Message-ID: <A8_p9.15154$rz6.2246@sccrnsc02>   Still question that statement:P   ? Not to beat this subject dead again, but VMS gets as popular as B linux/BSD/windows it might get more people a cracking than noraml.  G Hummm.  I didn't know VMS did clustering.  Does it work in the hobbiest  package?. "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message@ news:mXFp9.14605$vX.7327@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...L > Sybase manges to reach Wall Street Journal subscribers via the WSJ mailing > list I subscribe to. > ? > Slide #18 from the .ppt presentation mentioned earlier today, I > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/availability/HP_OPENVMS-HA-DT.htm , would  formL > the basis of a good e-mail advertisment attached to news alerts like this. > 1 > Bet you $100 HP doesn't do anything this smart.  >  >  >  >  >  > / > Date:         Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:48:25 -0400 & > Reply-To: access@INTERACTIVE.WSJ.COM$ > Sender: access@INTERACTIVE.WSJ.COM1 > From: "WSJ.com Editors" <e-mail.center@WSJ.COM> 7 > Subject:      MARKET ALERT: Dow Industrials Soar 4.2% ( > To: MARKET_ALERT@LISTSERV.DOWJONES.COM > $ > __________________________________ > MARKET ALERT > from The Wall Street Journal >  >  > Oct. 11, 2002  > J > U.S. stocks leapt after bellwether blue chip GE posted quarterly resultsF > that matched investor expectations. The Dow Jones Industrial Average jumpedJ > 316.34 to 7850.29, and the Nasdaq Composite Index rose 47.10 to 1210.47. ItJ > was the first time since August that either index ended the week higher. >  > FOR COMPLETE COVERAGE, see:  > http://online.wsj.com/markets  >  > $ > __________________________________ > ADVERTISEMENT  > @ > The Sybase PATRIOTcompliance Solution can help you comply with@ > the USA PATRIOT Act.  This fully automated solution integrates= > with your current systems and reduces administrative costs.  > Find out more at > J > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;obfuscated;r?http://www.sybase.com/patriot >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:47:21 GMT % From: Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com> 8 Subject: Re: How hard is this for HP to do?  Clustering?= Message-ID: <harris-F30599.16395512102002@juggl7.zk3.dec.com>   , In article <A8_p9.15154$rz6.2246@sccrnsc02>,,  "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net> wrote:  ! X Still question that statement:P  X A X Not to beat this subject dead again, but VMS gets as popular as D X linux/BSD/windows it might get more people a cracking than noraml. X I X Hummm.  I didn't know VMS did clustering.  Does it work in the hobbiest 
 X package?  F You are kidding Right?  VMS has been doing clustering since the early H 80's and even then they did it "RIGHT", and everyone else has just been I trying to throw systems together and call it clustering.  And I'm saying  B this as a person that works on Tru64 UNIX.  VMS clustering is the > oldests, most rebust, the best clustering technology.  Period!  2                                         Bob Harris  0 X "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB X news:mXFp9.14605$vX.7327@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...N X > Sybase manges to reach Wall Street Journal subscribers via the WSJ mailing X > list I subscribe to. X > A X > Slide #18 from the .ppt presentation mentioned earlier today, K X > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/availability/HP_OPENVMS-HA-DT.htm , would  X formN X > the basis of a good e-mail advertisment attached to news alerts like this. X > 3 X > Bet you $100 HP doesn't do anything this smart.  X >  X >  X >  X >  X >  X > 1 X > Date:         Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:48:25 -0400 ( X > Reply-To: access@INTERACTIVE.WSJ.COM& X > Sender: access@INTERACTIVE.WSJ.COM3 X > From: "WSJ.com Editors" <e-mail.center@WSJ.COM> 9 X > Subject:      MARKET ALERT: Dow Industrials Soar 4.2% * X > To: MARKET_ALERT@LISTSERV.DOWJONES.COM X > & X > __________________________________ X > MARKET ALERT  X > from The Wall Street Journal X >  X >  X > Oct. 11, 2002  X > L X > U.S. stocks leapt after bellwether blue chip GE posted quarterly resultsH X > that matched investor expectations. The Dow Jones Industrial Average X jumpedL X > 316.34 to 7850.29, and the Nasdaq Composite Index rose 47.10 to 1210.47. X ItL X > was the first time since August that either index ended the week higher. X >  X > FOR COMPLETE COVERAGE, see: ! X > http://online.wsj.com/markets  X >  X > & X > __________________________________ X > ADVERTISEMENT  X > B X > The Sybase PATRIOTcompliance Solution can help you comply withB X > the USA PATRIOT Act.  This fully automated solution integrates? X > with your current systems and reduces administrative costs.  X > Find out more at X > L X > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;obfuscated;r?http://www.sybase.com/patriot X >  X >  X >  X  X    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:42:10 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 8 Subject: Re: How hard is this for HP to do?  Clustering?; Message-ID: <BO%p9.58037$zU5.1965760@news20.bellglobal.com>    [snip] > I > Hummm.  I didn't know VMS did clustering.  Does it work in the hobbiest 
 > package? >  [snip]  I VMS has supported clustering for 20 years (is it safe to say that Digital  invented it?).  G On the flip side, I think it's cool that technical (non-marketing) folk H inside HP are making some very brave statements about HP clustering. For example, if you go here:   http:/www.broadband.com   I then enter your email address in the email box and "tru64unix" in the key J box, you'll get access to some archived seminars comparing Tru64 to HP-UX.A One of them (I forget which one but it was 1.5 hours) talks about H improvements that will come to HP-UX when they move those features (likeH clustering) over from Tru64. You can hear the speaker clearly state that$ Tru64 inherited clustering from VMS.  J Every day it seems I see or hear evidence that HP (an engineering company)K is better home for VMS than Compaq (a Pee Cee company). Maybe it's just me, D but I still see Ken Olsen in the same light as Bill Hewlett and Dave! Packard; a bunch of cool dudes...   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:59:24 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: How hard is this for HP to do?  Clustering?6 Message-ID: <I9acnXz4QaGgNDWgXTWcrg@News.GigaNews.Com>  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message5 news:BO%p9.58037$zU5.1965760@news20.bellglobal.com...    ...   L > Every day it seems I see or hear evidence that HP (an engineering company)I > is better home for VMS than Compaq (a Pee Cee company). Maybe it's just  me, F > but I still see Ken Olsen in the same light as Bill Hewlett and Dave# > Packard; a bunch of cool dudes...   K Indeed.  But while there may be a similar heritage in lower portions of the K organization, it has been a while since any of the people you mention above L (and Pfeiffer may have been somewhat in their mold as well) were in charge -J and the recent occupants of the positions they created are a lot more likeH Palmer, a CEO who made it clear that an engineering heritage isn't worth3 squat if a bozo is making the high-level decisions.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:46:27 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 8 Subject: Re: How hard is this for HP to do?  Clustering?' Message-ID: <3DA8D073.8F9FFC68@fsi.net>    WarlockD wrote:  > [snip], > Hummm.  I didn't know VMS did clustering.   F VMS did "clustering" even before the folks at VMS Engineering inventedC clustering as we know it! You could share files between nodes using G DECnet and FAL, but of course performance was abysmal. It was possible, G and in some of those early cases - such as my first VMS site - that was  enough!   G Then *REAL* clustering was invented and the world of EDP has never been G the same. I would say clustering as invented by VMS is "often imitated, 9 never duplicated", though IBM's Sysplex comes very close.    > Does it work in the hobbiest
 > package?  A With appropriate licensing, yes. Remember: VMS is VMS, there is a H hobbyist's *distribution*, there is no hobbyist's *version*: VMS is VMS. Period, end of statement.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:52:06 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> A Subject: RE: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A78@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Bill,   H >>> I'm curious too:  did it involve pom-poms?  More seriously, is thereG any indication that anyone outside the existing VMS community will ever 
 see it?>>>  G The video will apparently be on one of the HP web pages - not sure when 0 exactly, but I would expect within a week or so.  > All the Customers, ISV's and internal folks I talked to at theF conference who saw it were very impressed. And Mark's presentation was packed - standing room only.=20    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom       -----Original Message-----2 From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20 Sent: October 12, 2002 11:29 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A Subject: Re: Judge: Itanium Violates Patents, Injunction Possible       2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageH news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A77@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp. net. .   : >>> Can things become more grim for OpenVMS on Itanium?>>>  = Not if you follow recent events in the press and elsewhere ..   
 Reference:2 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,625178,00.asp "October 10, 2002 - Barrett: Itanium One Part of Intel's Big Plan    *** C If this is the best example you can come up with, things are indeed E grim. Barrett appears to have become a master of understatement:  "We E were a bit slow in getting the Itanium 1 product out" - duh, a 4-year G over-run on a 3-year schedule.  And the strongest statement he can make B about Itanic's general importance to Intel is "it is a part of our overall road map"? ***   G Also, by the way - for those who attended Mark Gorham's presentation at G HPETS2002 this week, what are your thoughts on the video with Carly and  her support of OpenVMS ?   *** H I'm curious too:  did it involve pom-poms?  More seriously, is there anyG indication that anyone outside the existing VMS community will ever see  it?    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:06:40 GMT 2 From: "William Tasso" <webmaster@FILTERtbdata.com> Subject: Re: Mozilla and CSS= Message-ID: <Q11q9.2531$tw6.29621477@news-text.cableinet.net>    "Colin Blake" wrote: > warren sander wrote: > 	 > >change + > ><link rel=Stylesheet href="../stil.css">  > >to ; > ><link rel=Stylesheet href="../stil.css" type="text/css">  > > I > That may work around the problem (haven't tried it), but the root cause I > of the problem is that the css file is being served up by the server as J > text instead of css. You can either fix the server once or fix many html > files. >   K This isn't a half-baked work around.  You need the 'type=' for the link tag  to be reliable.    --D William Tasso - The road to hell is littered with fallen webmasters.A http://www.tbdata.com/hosting - ASP web site hosting + SQL Server E http://www.tbdata.com/cabling - Cat 5/6 network cabling installations    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:05:38 -0500  From: sword7@speakeasy.org Subject: My very old tapes... 6 Message-ID: <Ru6dnVDaqoWffjWgXTWc3g@News.GigaNews.Com>   Hello folks:  K Many years ago, I saved my files into my two 600ft magtapes on VAX systems  G at Gallaudet University.  After my graduation, my tapes were useless.   J When I was Unix system adminstrator with Sequent S81 system with one tape D drive.   I used it for backups.   I wrote my tape dump tool for UNIXB system and successfully dumped my tapes into images.  I saved them% on my other modern cartridge tape....   H Today, I implemented my TS11/TSV05 (MSA0: device) tape emulation for my + TS10 emulator.  I tried my two tape images.   E I successfully listed my two tapes without any problems!  I was able  = restore all files into my own disk image on my TS10 emulator.   D Do you remember that XYZZY chat software for Relay servers on BITNETE network?  I successfully ran it on my TS10 emulator and got full chat C screen on my terminal emulator!  Xyzzy.exe was compiled on very old G VMS operating system like v4.2, etc.  I was able run it on OpenVMS 7.2   without any problem.  > I successfully compiled it into exe file and attempted to run.E It crashed due to incompatible operands.  Only old .exe file is very   good.    -- Tim Stark   --  , Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:26:01 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: Ncurses porting and cbreak(ed) read' Message-ID: <3DA8CBA9.A0775737@fsi.net>    Mike Rechtman wrote: > D > Definitely possible. BASIC has a built-in function that does this.  G Yes, I've used INKEY$ in the past. I've just never been inclinded to go $ down to the $QIO(W) level behind it.   > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > > Bernard Giroud wrote:  > > ? > >>In trying to port ncurses on to VMS, we just hit a problem:  > >>A > >>Is it possible to just set the terminal with a combination of C > >>modes and characteristics so that the posix read in lib_getch.c < > >>will return immediately for 1 key instead of waiting for > >>a terminator?  > >> > > L > > I'm sure what you want is possible using $QIOW, but I don't know if that > > would be suitable. > >  > >  >  > -- > ( > New to c.o.vms? allow me to recommend:8 > http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htmG > --------------------------------------------------------------------- G > Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. A > Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* G > Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home):(972)-2-9908337 E >    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%" G > ---------------------------------------------------------------------      --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:54:26 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>  Subject: Re: powerterm and XP = Message-ID: <CK1q9.25635$m92.5367800@news1.news.adelphia.net>    Antony Wardle wrote:5 > Anyone got a version of powerterm that works on XP?  >  > my 5.4 version doesn't.  > 7 > Im using something called putty which seems to be ok. 4 > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/  A I am crossposting this to the Pathworks group, as PowerTerm is a   component of Pathworks 32.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:09:02 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> ' Subject: store .MOV file on a VMS disk? ' Message-ID: <3DA8653E.230AB0AC@Free.fr>   M I'm playing with iMovie these days, being back from Rome where I attended the C canonisation of Josmaria Escriva de Balaguer, founder of Opus Dei.   P I have brought back a 50mn movie but my iMac is running out of disk space. Can I= store my Corsica 2002 movie to one of my Alpha disks via FTP?    What risks?    Did someone do that already?   Thanks,    D. --  2   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:31:31 +0100 ' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> + Subject: Re: store .MOV file on a VMS disk? 2 Message-ID: <121020022331317391%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  6 In article <3DA8653E.230AB0AC@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:   O > I'm playing with iMovie these days, being back from Rome where I attended the E > canonisation of Josmaria Escriva de Balaguer, founder of Opus Dei.  > L > I have brought back a 50mn movie but my iMac is running out of disk space. > Can I ? > store my Corsica 2002 movie to one of my Alpha disks via FTP?    Yes  > 
 > What risks?    Files > 2GB might frighten ftp1 It will be painfully slow transferring the files. G DV is 3.6MB/sec. 10baseT is 500KB/sec Mac to alpha with the wind behind E it. I get slightly better on the way back, about 900KB/sec. The round G trip for a 55 minute movie would take 10 hours and eat 13GB of VMS disk  space.F You would be better off to buy a firewire disk for your Mac. You could  edit in iMovie directly from it.  # I'm considering going the other way D By using cheap ATA disks and a plug 'em in firewire bridge on a Mac,C VMS backups via Macintosh work out cheaper than buying a box of DAT  tapes.  6 Anybody done a IEEE1394 (Firewire) driver for VMS yet? >  > Did someone do that already? yes, for small files.   C What is practical, although using a slightly different video editor F from iMovie, is to use VMS to back up the (much smaller) project files@ and batch recapture the video assets from the original tape when needed.   0 VMS is a reliable store for Mac stuffit archives > 	 > Thanks,  >  > D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:41:57 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> + Subject: Re: store .MOV file on a VMS disk? < Message-ID: <howard-5D9E55.18415712102002@enews.newsguy.com>  ' In article <3DA8653E.230AB0AC@Free.fr>, /  Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:   
 > What risks?   H None.  It's a file.  If it has been stored with resources of some sort, 5 they'll get lost, but that shouldn't hurt a MOV file.    --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:31:18 GMT + From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> L Subject: Re: Trying to install OVMS 7.0 on Digital Alphaserver 1000 4/266...+ Message-ID: <3DA8A508.4398D12E@ins-msi.com>    Phillip Sobottke wrote:  > $ > Try this... At the >>> prompt type > >>>boot -flags 0,0 > ? > I just installed 7.21 recently, and this is what I had to do.    At the SRM prompt enter:     >>> set boot_osflags 0,0
   >>> init  1 That will set the -flags argument default to 0,0.    > ( > "LMcC" <sorry@nospam> wrote in message* > news:uqbduli6jjka5@corp.supernews.com...M > > ...and failing miserably.  I feel I must be doing something fundamentally I > > wrong (Which shouldn't be too surprising as I never even saw a VMS or  > Alpha  > > machine before yesterday.).  > > N > > I know so little about this that I'm not even sure what info you guys needF > > in order to help...so I'll try not to be stupid. (I'll have to try
 > *really* > > hard...)@ > > (BTW, I've been scouring the Digital OpenVMS manuals and the > Compaq/digitalN > > websites but it seems all their info is geared towards someone who has VMS4 > > up and running.  I can't even get _that_ far...)B > > I have successfully booted from the Open VMS for Alpha CD-ROM.I > > I think I should be doing an install for a standalone as there are no  > other M > > VMS machines near me (Although there is a network card in the machine and  > I H > > do have the line plugged in and there are some other machines on the	 > network % > > but it's mostly a Win2k network). N > > The install procedure dutifully asks for my license paks which I dutifullyM > > type in one after another after another after another (there's a BUNCH of 3 > > them things!) until I have them all registered. M > > Me and Alpha happily go through setting the time zone and all that stuff. H > > Alpha copies files forever (10%....20%....etc...100%) until its doneM > > We reboot and Autogen does it's thing (I guess - it scrolls by so quickly C > > that I can't tell if it's doing its' thing correctly or not...) G > > (I forget the order but I usually choose not to install any layered = > > products - though the time I did, I got the same results) M > > After Autogen finishes and reboots I get the impression that I should see  > a 0 > > welcome to VMS banner and a username prompt.J > > I never get it.  The system stops at the accounting information screen > withL > > a blinking cursor down in the lower left corner of the screen (next to a > > "Charged CPU Time" thing)   G A carriage return (enter key) at this point should produce a "Username:  " E prompt. The DECwindows GUI will not automatically start if there is a B problem with licenses, loaded software, or the particular graphics card installed.    > > K > > Every time, no matter how I install, no matter how I boot, that's where  > the L > > system stops.  All I can do is ctrl/P to halt the system and get back to > the G > > >>> prompt.  I CAN, however, get a DCL prompt by booting with OPA0: 	 > setting J > > and bypassing the login stuff.  I can "Set Noon" to fiddle around withJ > > different DCL commands - however they rarely run as I usually get some > kindL > > of File not found error or "images must be installed" error along with a > few & > > others that I can't even remember. > > L > > I did make sure my PALcode was above the required minimum but other than! > > that, I have been stumpified.  > > # > > Any help for a clueless newbie?  > >  > > TIA, > > :o)  > > Lee  > >  > >   
 Jeff Campbell  n8wxs@arrl.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:11:20 GMT 1 From: "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii5@julian5locals.com> + Subject: VAXELN License for SIMH simulators F Message-ID: <s_1q9.26774$OB5.2320364@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  /         The Computer History Simulation Project &         http://simh.trailing-edge.com/  2 has a VAX emulator and various OSes. What would it2 take to get a VAXELN Toolkit and Run-time licences for use with the simulator?    --   C.W.Holeman II cwhii@JulianLocals.com http://also.as/cwhii   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:01:14 +0300 1 From: "mariuz pop andy" <mariuz@stop.spamming.us> ' Subject: VMS on IA64 spoted in the wild = Message-ID: <pan.2002.10.12.20.01.14.104918@stop.spamming.us>   C A wander round the hall suggests Marvel is on or ahead of schedule. 4 Four implementations were spotted, one running VMS. 7 The biggest configuration looks like sporting 64 CPUs,  C as opposed to 128 (but they'll build a 128 if you really want one). F The performance is not yet fully characterized said one witness but it looks 'kick-ass'. 0 Source :http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5787   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:12:11 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> + Subject: Re: VMS on IA64 spoted in the wild ; Message-ID: <vm%p9.58027$zU5.1960257@news20.bellglobal.com>   K um... Marvel is Alpha technology, not IA64. The inquirer article is cool if   true. Thanks for the "heads up".  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/   < "mariuz pop andy" <mariuz@stop.spamming.us> wrote in message7 news:pan.2002.10.12.20.01.14.104918@stop.spamming.us... E > A wander round the hall suggests Marvel is on or ahead of schedule. 5 > Four implementations were spotted, one running VMS. 8 > The biggest configuration looks like sporting 64 CPUs,E > as opposed to 128 (but they'll build a 128 if you really want one). H > The performance is not yet fully characterized said one witness but it > looks 'kick-ass'. 2 > Source :http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5787 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:13:25 +0300 1 From: "mariuz pop andy" <mariuz@stop.spamming.us> + Subject: Re: VMS on IA64 spoted in the wild = Message-ID: <pan.2002.10.12.21.13.23.888773@stop.spamming.us>    My mistake sorry :(    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.565 ************************                                                                                                                              @    A    B    C    D    E    F    G    H    I    J    K    L    M    N    O    P    Q    R    S    T    U    V    W    X    Y    Z    [    \    ]    ^    _    `    a    b    c    d    e    f    g    h    i    j    k    l    m    n    o    p    q    r    s    t    u    v    w    x    y    z    {    |    }    ~                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             	    
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