1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 14 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 567       Contents:H Re: Anyone know where the presentations from HP ETS 2002 will be posted? Re: Hobbyist kit Contents  Re: Hobbyist kit Contents  Re: Hobbyist kit Contents  Re: Hobbyist kit Contents  Re: New to VMS
 New to VMS RE: New to VMS Re: New to VMS USB, VMS and PWS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:52:14 GMT , From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>Q Subject: Re: Anyone know where the presentations from HP ETS 2002 will be posted? < Message-ID: <yOmq9.20964$rC.780565@twister.southeast.rr.com>  L HPETS 2002 website sometime in the next couple weeks supposedly.  If any areI missing it will probably be because the presenter didn't upload a copy to  server at the symposium.  7 Looking forward to getting my hands on them myself.  :)    --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.org       / "Koloth" <koloth@telocity.com> wrote in message % news:3DA91CF7.2050802@telocity.com... H > Does anyone know when and where the presentations from the HP ETS 2002 > will be available. >  > Thanks >  > Cass Witkowski >    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Oct 02 03:45:29 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) " Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit Contents) Message-ID: <fCZ6RXabKI6n@elias.decus.ch>   [ In article <3DAA2344.E632AF6E@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Paul Sture wrote:  >>     <snip>   >>  K >> I was trying to do the whole CD, but perhaps I should have tried product " >> by product. Suggestions please. > 4 > $ ZIP/LEVEL=8/VMS/KEEP CDROM ddcu:[000000...]*.*;* > 
 > ...or... > * > $ zip "-8Vw" CDROM ddcu:[000000...]*.*;* > F > /KEEP (-w) is probably optional, but something inside something elseI > somewhere just MIGHT be looking for a specific version of a file. /KEEP + > doesn't cost that much, so why chance it?  > F Thanks, The first flavour is churning as I type. I'll post the resultsB of how big the zip file is when it's done - probably tomorrow, as  I need some sleep.   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:52:04 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit Contents' Message-ID: <3DAA2344.E632AF6E@fsi.net>    Paul Sture wrote:  > ] > In article <3DA788A9.96787311@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > > Simon Clubley wrote: > >>` > >> In article <3DA3986D.D2D21442@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > >> > Stuart Johnson wrote: > >> >> R > >> >> Does anyone have any information on what is going to be in the forthcomingO > >> >> hobbyist kits from Montgar? I am hoping that it will contail the entire K > >> >> layered products disks, ie. be the full OS distribution and layered ' > >> >> products. I can dream, can't I?  > >> >N > >> > Well, if you can dream up a way to cram a couple gigabytes of data ontoH > >> > a 650MB CD-ROM, yes, I guess you can dream. Otherwise, a multi-CDL > >> > distribution would be called for and that would likely push the priceM > >> > into territory that would make it prohibitive to the very audience the - > >> > hobbyist program is intended to reach.  > >> > > >> > >> Use ZIP compression.  > > N > Out of interest, I had a coupled of stabs yesterday at zipping the June 2000C > layered products CD 2 (the one with several compilers on it), but ? > couldn't get the syntax right. Shopping then took precedence.  > J > I was trying to do the whole CD, but perhaps I should have tried product! > by product. Suggestions please.   2 $ ZIP/LEVEL=8/VMS/KEEP CDROM ddcu:[000000...]*.*;*   ...or...  ( $ zip "-8Vw" CDROM ddcu:[000000...]*.*;*  D /KEEP (-w) is probably optional, but something inside something elseG somewhere just MIGHT be looking for a specific version of a file. /KEEP ) doesn't cost that much, so why chance it?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Oct 02 04:23:57 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) " Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit Contents) Message-ID: <$OaabjCTxrq1@elias.decus.ch>   [ In article <3DAA2344.E632AF6E@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Paul Sture wrote:  >>     <snip>   >> >O >> Out of interest, I had a coupled of stabs yesterday at zipping the June 2000 D >> layered products CD 2 (the one with several compilers on it), but@ >> couldn't get the syntax right. Shopping then took precedence. >>  K >> I was trying to do the whole CD, but perhaps I should have tried product " >> by product. Suggestions please. > 4 > $ ZIP/LEVEL=8/VMS/KEEP CDROM ddcu:[000000...]*.*;* > 
 > ...or... > * > $ zip "-8Vw" CDROM ddcu:[000000...]*.*;* > F > /KEEP (-w) is probably optional, but something inside something elseI > somewhere just MIGHT be looking for a specific version of a file. /KEEP + > doesn't cost that much, so why chance it?  >   B Results now in. I tried the first flavour of command, and ZIP gaveA me the mysterious message "zip warning: name not matched: cdrom".   C It then created a file as follows - don't ask me how it got to that 	 file name   = ZI971748.;1           467541/467550   14-OCT-2002 03:39:46.32   5 In contrast, a dir/tot/grand/size=all of the CD gives   A Grand total of 43 directories, 205 files, 1175014/1175872 blocks.    --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:34:45 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit Contents' Message-ID: <3DAA3B55.8BD7AC97@fsi.net>    Paul Sture wrote:  > ] > In article <3DAA2344.E632AF6E@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > > Paul Sture wrote:  > >> >  > <snip> >  > >> >Q > >> Out of interest, I had a coupled of stabs yesterday at zipping the June 2000 F > >> layered products CD 2 (the one with several compilers on it), butB > >> couldn't get the syntax right. Shopping then took precedence. > >>M > >> I was trying to do the whole CD, but perhaps I should have tried product $ > >> by product. Suggestions please. > > 6 > > $ ZIP/LEVEL=8/VMS/KEEP CDROM ddcu:[000000...]*.*;* > >  > > ...or... > > , > > $ zip "-8Vw" CDROM ddcu:[000000...]*.*;* > > H > > /KEEP (-w) is probably optional, but something inside something elseK > > somewhere just MIGHT be looking for a specific version of a file. /KEEP - > > doesn't cost that much, so why chance it?  > >  > D > Results now in. I tried the first flavour of command, and ZIP gaveC > me the mysterious message "zip warning: name not matched: cdrom".   D I'm guessingthat you have a logical name CDROM set up. In that case,! specify the extension explicitly:   	 CDROM.ZIP   D ...or use another filespec - it's a just sampel archive name I chose arbitrarily.  E > It then created a file as follows - don't ask me how it got to that  > file name  > ? > ZI971748.;1           467541/467550   14-OCT-2002 03:39:46.32   F Well, that's the temp file ZIP builds the archive in. It lives in yourH current default, and it'll try to rename it to the archive name and pathC specified on the command line if that includes your current default F device, either explicitly or by default. Otherwise, it will copy it to0 the destination. Try RENAME-ing it to CDROM.ZIP.  D FWIW, I make that as 61% compression in the aggregate. 228.29MB down2 from 573.73MB. Better than 2:1, but not quite 3:1.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Oct 02 02:03:43 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: New to VMS ) Message-ID: <78j$D$BzjsDm@elias.decus.ch>   O In article <aynq9.30460$rz6.4511@sccrnsc02>, "Joe" <syprinth@yahoo.com> writes: G > I hate to come in here with all you VMS pro's, but I just got 2 alpha L > servers and want to put VMS on them (mainly cause I don't know of anythingL > else that will go on them nicely).  I have applied for a hobbiest license,L > but have gotten no response.  Any ideas how long it takes to get one?  AndG > 2nd, I don't want to pay the money to get the CD's.  Anyone out there 8 > willing to burn me a copy of the latest Alpha release?  H When you say you have applied for the Hobbyist license, what exactly didG you do? In my experience, except once when www.montagar.com was down, I C received my Hobbyist licenses via email within 5 minutes of filling J out the form. Please make sure you ask for the VMS license AND the layered product licenses.    Sorry, can't help with the CDs.    --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:43:02 GMT   From: "Joe" <syprinth@yahoo.com> Subject: New to VMS , Message-ID: <aynq9.30460$rz6.4511@sccrnsc02>  E I hate to come in here with all you VMS pro's, but I just got 2 alpha J servers and want to put VMS on them (mainly cause I don't know of anythingJ else that will go on them nicely).  I have applied for a hobbiest license,J but have gotten no response.  Any ideas how long it takes to get one?  AndE 2nd, I don't want to pay the money to get the CD's.  Anyone out there 6 willing to burn me a copy of the latest Alpha release?   --Joe    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:22:13 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: New to VMS 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEGCFOAA.tom@kednos.com>   = Yes, and without the layered products licese you couldn't get E the PL/I compiler from www.kednos.com and then you might be forced to ; step backwards in time and have to program in C or C++  :-)    >-----Original Message----- 1 >From: Paul Sture [mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch] ' >Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 5:04 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: New to VMS >  > 4 >In article <aynq9.30460$rz6.4511@sccrnsc02>, "Joe"  ><syprinth@yahoo.com> writes: H >> I hate to come in here with all you VMS pro's, but I just got 2 alphaB >> servers and want to put VMS on them (mainly cause I don't know  >of anything< >> else that will go on them nicely).  I have applied for a  >hobbiest license,D >> but have gotten no response.  Any ideas how long it takes to get 
 >one?  AndH >> 2nd, I don't want to pay the money to get the CD's.  Anyone out there9 >> willing to burn me a copy of the latest Alpha release?  > I >When you say you have applied for the Hobbyist license, what exactly did H >you do? In my experience, except once when www.montagar.com was down, ID >received my Hobbyist licenses via email within 5 minutes of fillingK >out the form. Please make sure you ask for the VMS license AND the layered  >product licenses. >   >Sorry, can't help with the CDs. >  >--  >Paul Sture  >Switzerland >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:30:37 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>  Subject: Re: New to VMS / Message-ID: <uqk7ht4gk27j40@corp.supernews.com>   " Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:? : Yes, and without the layered products licese you couldn't get G : the PL/I compiler from www.kednos.com and then you might be forced to = : step backwards in time and have to program in C or C++  :-)   6 PL/I's so old the manual comes on a stone tablet.  :')   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:17:04 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: USB, VMS and PWS 4 Message-ID: <lhmq9.43496$gD2.4196446@zwoll1.home.nl>  Q A short while ago I posted a few messages about the trouble I had enabling a USB  P card on my PWS500au. As you may know VMS 7.3-1 is the first version of VMS that G has some USB support. One of the devices supported is a USB mouse with  3 scrolling. And since I'm using Mozilla ............   L The first problem I stumbled upon was the fact hat I could not boot the VMS K 7.3-1 CD with my new USB card installed (it had been installed for several  Q months already). With the card removed I was able to install VMS 7.3-1, but when  M I reinstalled the USB card, the system hang at DECnet startup (also at TCPIP   startup as I noticed later).  O I dropped a small message to a HP VMS engineer who's e-mail address I happened  P to have (and who would not like his name to be published here), and then things J started to roll. Over a couple of days we exchanged many e-mails, and his O excellent help lead to the present situation where the USB ports and the mouse  P are visible. I will have to do some more work for DecWindows, but I will post a - message later when that part is resolved too.   K The problem was traced to a hardware design problem of the PWS. Instead of  M reporting one interrupt for the USB card, two interrupts were reported. This  M confused VMS rather much, and when the network protocols started looking for  D their interface cards (in the startup phase), the whole system hang.  J Before I go on let me make it very clear that there is no support for USB H devices on the PWS (or other older types of workstations). So all these P workarounds are not official, and not garantueed. On the other hand if it works T and you like a scroll mouse and to do a bit of experimenting, you can give it a try.  J First of all you need a USB card with the Lucent or Agere USS344 chipset, M because that chipset is supported by the USB drivers. It will give you 4 PCI  L ports and busses with a speed of 11 Mbit/sec. each. (Not 4 ports on 1 bus !)  O If you have such a card, do not install it before you have installed VMS 7.3-1  Q !! Once you have done that, you will have to edit sys$system:sys$config.dat, and  P comment out the lines about the Lucent USS344 USB card. The hardware problem in Q combination with this entry made the system hang. When you have done all that it  Q is save to install the card. But keep in mind that whenever you need to boot the  3 VMS 7.3-1 CD, you will have to remove the USB card.   K To get the card working, you will need to do several things. I have made a  P commandfile that explains what to do, and it will make the USB ports visible to O the system. Please drop me an e-mail if you are interested, and I will mail it   to you.   L When the ports are visible, and you have run usb$startup, you can connect a M mouse and it will become visible. Not directly usable mind you, for that you  Q will have to make changes to DecWindows too. When I've mastered that I will post  0 another message. But I'm confident it will work.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.567 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    /    