1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 18 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 575       Contents:2 Re: $ RECALL/SEARCH and editing long command linesG Re: $CREPRC, LOGINOUT.EXE, and UIC (was Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer worki J Re: $CREPRC, LOGINOUT.EXE, and UIC (was Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working)J Re: $CREPRC, LOGINOUT.EXE, and UIC (was Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working)J Re: $CREPRC, LOGINOUT.EXE, and UIC (was Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working)/ %SYSTEM-E-RSDMNOTFOU, resource domain not found  Ask OpenVMS no longer working " Re:  Ask OpenVMS no longer working! Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working ! Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working ! RE: Ask OpenVMS no longer working ! Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working ! Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working ! Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working ! Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working  Cocoon( Re: Command recall and help in utilities Re: CTRL-Y and VMS BACKUP  Re: DS25 Boot from VMS 7.3 CD? Re: DS25 Boot from VMS 7.3 CD? RE: DS25 Boot from VMS 7.3 CD? ECU  Re: ECU ! Re: Is anyone using this product? ! Re: Is anyone using this product?  Re: Life after VMS?  Re: Life after VMS? 8 Re: Open-source replacement for Digital Standard Runoff?+ Re: Originator of detached process from DCL * Re: OT Humour - If Microsoft made toasters* RE: OT Humour - If Microsoft made toasters' Re: Question about f$getsyi and Itanium & Re: stuck process after v7.3-1 upgrade& Re: stuck process after v7.3-1 upgrade Tape marks Was: Tape Copy?$ Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problem$ Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problem$ Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problem Re: The Good CEO Re: The Good CEO RE: The Good CEO4 Re: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channel4 Re: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channel4 Re: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channel4 RE: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channelF Re: VMS New Release Schedule (was:  Adaptec 39160 (KZPEA) & OpenVMS ?)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2002 03:00:44 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>; Subject: Re: $ RECALL/SEARCH and editing long command lines - Message-ID: <8765w051r7.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:  F > If the problem involves both the terminal driver *AND* DCL, then oneA > or both of those components wasn't architected correctly in the C > first place -- this functionality should live in one place or the  > other, not both.  B You jest I trust? The recall stuff was later-day hack on that as IE remember happened in two stages. Think it was DCL only at first, then 8 the TTdriver had it so everything could share and enjoy.   > > And if you expect command completion to ever work (Hey! StopA > guffawing!), then I suspect that this functionality should live D > entirely within the shell, err, DCL, because it's DCL that has (or> > has access to) all the information needed to support command% > completion, filename look-ups, etc.   < But VMS never got the RSX CLI calls, so where do you fit the? interface?  And what about the porting of the CMND jsys to VMS?    C > But DCL requests have traditionally been ignored by VMS since the E > very beginning so I wouldn't get my hopes up about this one getting  > getting-upon.   = CLIs are the great ignored area of VMS. And no, BASH is NOT a  substitute!    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2002 20:16:50 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) P Subject: Re: $CREPRC, LOGINOUT.EXE, and UIC (was Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer worki: Message-ID: <aon5ri$2e0$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  b References: <YACr9.15826$H67.71082@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> <1s0uqu4pivnf3ujlci3v2grsc2b519bdcf@4ax.com>' Organization: The Ohio State University   - On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:40:30 -0400, "Syltrem" ! <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote: M >I want to $CREPRC a detached process, that would run LOGINOUT.EXE as another   >user (different UIC than mine).J >It says in the book that the UIC parameter to $CREPRC is ignored when the! >image specified is LOGINOUT.EXE.  >How would I do this, then?  >   M Use the persona services to assume the target username and create the process 6 with the PRC$M_NOPASSWORD flag in combination with the sys$system:loginout.exe image.    < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:39:37 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>S Subject: Re: $CREPRC, LOGINOUT.EXE, and UIC (was Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working) 8 Message-ID: <1s0uqu4pivnf3ujlci3v2grsc2b519bdcf@4ax.com>  - On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:40:30 -0400, "Syltrem" ! <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote:     >BTW if you have answer to this:M >I want to $CREPRC a detached process, that would run LOGINOUT.EXE as another   >user (different UIC than mine).J >It says in the book that the UIC parameter to $CREPRC is ignored when the! >image specified is LOGINOUT.EXE.  >How would I do this, then?  >  >Thanks   F I've done it by SUBMITting a batch job under the desired username (and- hence UIC), and have that job do the $CREPRC. I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:18:41 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>S Subject: Re: $CREPRC, LOGINOUT.EXE, and UIC (was Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working) 5 Message-ID: <%0Er9.15840$H67.70918@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>    Thanks for responding./ I don't want to do this (although it does work)   = I could not find much in AskVMS but I did in the COV archive.   # Not easy to go around this problem.  You just can't get everything :   F When specifying the NO_UAF flag the process is missing a lot of thingsA (quota setting, logical name, etc) but it has the UIC you specify   L Without this flag, it executes the LOGIN.COM of the user issuing the $CREPRC' call and ignores the UIC you're giving.   I IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to have the process really log on as another user, you  can only specify the UIC. J Your method is the only one that really works (but it requires 2 processes! to br created instead of just 1).   @ I'll see what can be done with $PERSONA services. Also there's aI (unsupported ?) trick you can do but you have to run this in kernel mode.    --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) 8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  C "David M Smith" <dsmit115@csc.com> a crit dans le message de news: - 1s0uqu4pivnf3ujlci3v2grsc2b519bdcf@4ax.com... / > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:40:30 -0400, "Syltrem" # > <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote:  > " > >BTW if you have answer to this:G > >I want to $CREPRC a detached process, that would run LOGINOUT.EXE as  another " > >user (different UIC than mine).L > >It says in the book that the UIC parameter to $CREPRC is ignored when the# > >image specified is LOGINOUT.EXE.  > >How would I do this, then?  > > 	 > >Thanks  > H > I've done it by SUBMITting a batch job under the desired username (and/ > hence UIC), and have that job do the $CREPRC. K > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- K > David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com K > Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) K > -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:59:45 GMT $ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUS Subject: Re: $CREPRC, LOGINOUT.EXE, and UIC (was Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working) 8 Message-ID: <00A15976.4B368519@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  b In article <%0Er9.15840$H67.70918@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes: >Thanks for responding. 0 >I don't want to do this (although it does work) > > >I could not find much in AskVMS but I did in the COV archive. > $ >Not easy to go around this problem.  >You just can't get everything : > G >When specifying the NO_UAF flag the process is missing a lot of things B >(quota setting, logical name, etc) but it has the UIC you specify > M >Without this flag, it executes the LOGIN.COM of the user issuing the $CREPRC ( >call and ignores the UIC you're giving. > J >IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to have the process really log on as another user, you >can only specify the UIC.K >Your method is the only one that really works (but it requires 2 processes " >to br created instead of just 1). > A >I'll see what can be done with $PERSONA services. Also there's a J >(unsupported ?) trick you can do but you have to run this in kernel mode. >   O Check out the source code for the WASD, OSU, and/or CSWS (starting with the 1.3 J Beta) for examples of how to do this with $PERSONA services, in support of running CGIs as specific users.   G (OSU does some ugly stuff it wouldn't have to under the most-recent VMS L versions because of late-arriving work in per-thread security profiles; CSWSM gets a cleaner way of implementing it because it only runs on 7.2 and above.)    -- Alan    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2002 13:07:01 -0700* From: dan.mooney@swagelok.com (Dan Mooney)8 Subject: %SYSTEM-E-RSDMNOTFOU, resource domain not found= Message-ID: <78f6766e.0210171207.3d067d30@posting.google.com>   E We're moving an application to a new Alpha VMS cluster and I'm having = trouble setting the security on a resource domain as follows:   8 $ SET SECURITY/CLASS=RESOURCE_DOMAIN/PROT=W:RWL [000055]/ %SYSTEM-E-RSDMNOTFOU, resource domain not found   ? The security is being set so that several cooperating processes > running under different uic groups can use the lock manager to coordinate their activities.  B The same command has worked using a different resource domain name ([000212]).   E User accounts do exist in this uic group so I'm not understanding why ! the resource domain is not found.   " How do I create a resource domain?   Thanks,  Dan    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:40:30 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>& Subject: Ask OpenVMS no longer working5 Message-ID: <YACr9.15826$H67.71082@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   < It has been HPed and every question returns the same answer:  ) Sorry, your question returned no matches.    This is the URL I use " http://askq.compaq.com/askopenvms/   Anyone has better luck?    BTW if you have answer to this: L I want to $CREPRC a detached process, that would run LOGINOUT.EXE as another user (different UIC than mine). I It says in the book that the UIC parameter to $CREPRC is ignored when the   image specified is LOGINOUT.EXE. How would I do this, then?   Thanks   --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) 8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:19:41 -0400 ! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> + Subject: Re:  Ask OpenVMS no longer working K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B88@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   $ I just tried it and it works for me.  @ You asked: What is the latest release and ECO level for TCPIP=20  =202  Click the "Ask" button next to the best match.=20 =20 E   from Compaq's database of questions and answers Results 1-7 of 17 =  Next >>    =20  =20 E         1.     Where can I get information about  concurrent server =  designB methodologies using sockets new and changed features for V5.0 on = TCP/IP? =20  =20   D         2.     Where can I find patches (ECOs) for Digital UNIX or = Tru64 F UNIX  V4.0 V4.0a V4.0b V4.0c V4.0d V4.0e V4.0f V4.0g V5.0 V5.0a V5.1 = V5.1a ?    =20   F         3.     Where can I find patches (ECOs) for OpenVMS VAX  V5.5-2D V5.5-2h4 V5.5-2hf V5.5-2hw V6.0 V6.1 V6.1-1h1 V6.1-1h2 V6.2 V6.2-0hf4 V6.2-1h1 V6.2-1h2 V6.2-1h3 V7.0 V7.1 V7.2 V7.3 ? =20 =20   H         4.     Where can I find patches (ECOs) for OpenVMS Alpha  V1.0 = V1.5D V1.5-1h1 V6.0 V6.1 V6.1-1h1 V6.1-1h2 V6.1-1h3 V6.2 V6.2-1 V6.2-1h1 = V6.2-1h2I V6.2-1h3 V7.0 V7.1 V7.1-1h1 V7.1-1h2 V7.1-2 V7.2 V7.2-1 V7.2-1h1 V7.2-2 =  V7.3 ? =20  =20   G         5.     Where can I find Readme files for engineering updates to , Digital UNIX OpenVMS Tru64 UNIX ULTRIX ? =20 =20   I         6.     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Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:32:43 +0000 2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>* Subject: Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working3 Message-ID: <20021017183243.C9986@eisenschmidt.org>   B Granted, the entire HP site is really slow using Mozilla. What the hell did they do to this thing?   	 Anyway...   # Q: Does Carley wear mens underwear?    A:  1 Click the "Ask" button next to the best match.=20 E 	from Compaq's website Results 1-5 of 248, displaying 200  Next >>=20 8 1.  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Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> C    Public Key   |  http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/pgp.asc D    Fingerprint  |  5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2J Is this mail an attachment? http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.htm= l   J "I'm curious to try [DB2] out, since Oracle is much more sinister than IB= M."    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:36:45 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>* Subject: Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working5 Message-ID: <HpDr9.15835$H67.71074@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>    It works now* Something must have happened to it before.   --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) 8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  > "VAXVMS" <bounce@notmail.com> a crit dans le message de news:@ BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B88@rlghncst964.usps.gov...  $ I just tried it and it works for me.  = You asked: What is the latest release and ECO level for TCPIP   /  Click the "Ask" button next to the best match.   K   from Compaq's database of questions and answers Results 1-7 of 17 Next >>       J         1.     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Where can I find Compaq's policy about Diagnostic software I licenses Maintenance documentation service (MDS) on CD-ROM Parts Exchange B reproduction of Compaq copyrighted publications Restocking chargesG Self-Maintenance Engineering Changes (Field Change Orders) Warranty and  Installation ?      Results 1-7 of 17 Next >>  < It has been HPed and every question returns the same answer:  ) Sorry, your question returned no matches.    This is the URL I use " http://askq.compaq.com/askopenvms/   Anyone has better luck?    BTW if you have answer to this: L I want to $CREPRC a detached process, that would run LOGINOUT.EXE as another user (different UIC than mine). I It says in the book that the UIC parameter to $CREPRC is ignored when the   image specified is LOGINOUT.EXE. How would I do this, then?   Thanks   --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) 8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address     ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:14:12 -0400 5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> * Subject: RE: Ask OpenVMS no longer workingO Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D528A23B@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>    too many people asking "WHY?"    -----Original Message-----2 From: Syltrem [mailto:syltremzulu@videotron.ca]=20 Sent: October 17, 2002 1:41 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & Subject: Ask OpenVMS no longer working    < It has been HPed and every question returns the same answer:  ) Sorry, your question returned no matches.    This is the URL I use " http://askq.compaq.com/askopenvms/   Anyone has better luck?    BTW if you have answer to this: F I want to $CREPRC a detached process, that would run LOGINOUT.EXE as = another B user (different UIC than mine). It says in the book that the UIC =	 parameter E to $CREPRC is ignored when the image specified is LOGINOUT.EXE. How =  would I  do this, then?   Thanks   --   Syltrem A http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en =  fran=E7ais) To5 reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address         G The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged =  and B confidential information and is intended only for the use of the =	 person(s) H named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or = agent F responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any< review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this = communication isD strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please = contact D the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theD original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders = and/orC instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for =  carrying$ out such orders and/or instructions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:42:30 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> * Subject: Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working, Message-ID: <3DAF12A3.DA6E6BC9@videotron.ca>   Syltrem wrote:K > It says in the book that the UIC parameter to $CREPRC is ignored when the " > image specified is LOGINOUT.EXE. > How would I do this, then?  L The way i do it is to submit a job under the desired user, and that job thenJ does the RUN/process or RUN/DETACHED which results in the detached process) being "fully" under the desired username.     4 eg: SUBMIT/USER=chocolat chocolat_server_startup.com  a and chocolat_server_startup.com then does the RUN/DETACHED loginout.exe/input=chocolat_server.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:49:37 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> * Subject: Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working/ Message-ID: <uquc3io1m3idcc@news.supernews.com>    sys$persona_create sys$persona_assume
 sys$creprc* sys$persona_assume (to revert back to you) sys$persona_delete  5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message / news:YACr9.15826$H67.71082@tor-nn1.netcom.ca... > > It has been HPed and every question returns the same answer: > + > Sorry, your question returned no matches.  >  > This is the URL I use $ > http://askq.compaq.com/askopenvms/ >  > Anyone has better luck?  > ! > BTW if you have answer to this: F > I want to $CREPRC a detached process, that would run LOGINOUT.EXE as another ! > user (different UIC than mine). K > It says in the book that the UIC parameter to $CREPRC is ignored when the " > image specified is LOGINOUT.EXE. > How would I do this, then? >  > Thanks >  > -- > 	 > Syltrem K > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) : > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:20:02 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> * Subject: Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working, Message-ID: <3DAF3785.9FB78AB5@videotron.ca>  
 VAXVMS wrote:  > & > I just tried it and it works for me. > ? > You asked: What is the latest release and ECO level for TCPIP   I I asked "Does Sue wear pink panties ?" and quickly got a lot of responses ' (mostly about a pink tint on monitors).   L But when I asked "Does Hoff wear boxers or briefs ?", it seemed to get stuck without ever replying.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:26:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> * Subject: Re: Ask OpenVMS no longer working, Message-ID: <3DAF3912.BE4772A8@videotron.ca>   JF Mezei wrote: N > But when I asked "Does Hoff wear boxers or briefs ?", it seemed to get stuck > without ever replying.  J It finally replied with 3337 possible answers. Geez, I only asked a simple$ question with 2 possible answers....  7 (Most seem to be in the "Brief guide to...." category)    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2002 13:34:05 -0700, From: daveoverbeck@yahoo.com (Dave Overbeck) Subject: Cocoon = Message-ID: <30e04b7e.0210171234.6ccb3d0f@posting.google.com>   
 Greetings,  B We are about to install CSWS/Tomcat on 7.3-1 and would like to use? Cocoon (http://xml.apache.org) with the Attunity JDBC driver to ? publish data.  I have used Cocoon before, but have never had to @ install it.  Does anyone have experience with Cocoon on VMS?  My> understanding is that since it's written in Java, it should beD "straightforward" to download the sources and compile and install it? under Tomcat.  Of course theory and practice don't always mesh.   D There is a Cocoon users' list, but I know they will just laugh at me8 if I mention VMS, so I thought I would try here first...   Thanks,  Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:18:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 1 Subject: Re: Command recall and help in utilities , Message-ID: <3DAF0CEF.6BF87378@videotron.ca>   Patrick Young wrote:K > smg$read_composed_line is what you are after. I'll do this in BASIC - too   O >        call lbr$output_help(loc(lib$put_output),,, "sys$help:helplib.hlb",, & E >            loc(lib$get_input)) if edit$(result, 2% or 32%) = "HELP"     L Thanks. I'll lookup the documentation for those.  So the help stuff is under) the LIBRTARY stuff in the utilities doc.    J I was always under the impression that SMG was for full screen stuff, so I< wouldn't have thought about it for a command line interface.    Many thanks for the example too.   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:42:11 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>" Subject: Re: CTRL-Y and VMS BACKUPJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0210180234010.16963-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  & On 16 Oct 2002, Alan E. Feldman wrote: [...] E >+There are other time-wasters. Why does DIRECTORY/DATE/TOTAL take so E >+much longer than DIRECTORY/TOTAL? The DIRECTORY command is probably A >+looking up the dates in the file headers. But it's not going to H >+display them anyway! Why is this bad? Because many people have symbols) >+like DIR:==DIRECTORY/SIZE=ALL/DATE/PROT   +  What is "bad" at first - IMO the users :]  <  Sustitution of the original DCL commands are the first step to fit some problems.    [...] H >+Also, why does DIRECTORY /VERSION=1 take longer than DIRECTORY ;? ThisE >+is bad because /VERSION=n where n is a small number also takes "too F >+long". It runs as if its checking every version of every file in the >+directory.  ;  You are probably right. ";" is a proper file spec then the : FIND_NEXT operation is done with "filtering" on the lowest> available lewel; /VERSION=n can*not* be (is general) converted8 to filename - then checking all version IMO is required.  Supose: $ DIR XXX/VER=2 *  where XXX is a logical name defined like: $ DEFINE XXX *.COM,*.TXT5  The sequence is differrent than the one we get from:  $ DIR XXX;,XXX;-1     Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:13:41 -0500 ! From: Dan Moore <dmoore@sosu.edu> ' Subject: Re: DS25 Boot from VMS 7.3 CD? ( Message-ID: <3DAF0BE4.9BDEA8CA@sosu.edu>   Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote:  ? > If you have a CD-RW (Could you tell us the specific model (sh  > dev/full)???), > burn a 7.3-1 bootable CD.  > 
 > eberhard >    Okay,   &   The model number is HLDTST GCE-8320B  I   I did not know  you could burn a bootable CD from the pre-installed sys L disk. I have been booting with the pre-installed system fine (7.3-1). I hopeH I'm undestading you correctly, this would solve the whole problem. I had wondered about that.  L   I called support and have not had much luck getting what I need. They wereM nice enough to give me "entitled" access to the VMS patch service, which does ! not contain the full OS binaries.    Thanks,    Dan           K -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- G    http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! M -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =-----    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:51:39 -0500 ! From: Dan Moore <dmoore@sosu.edu> ' Subject: Re: DS25 Boot from VMS 7.3 CD? ( Message-ID: <3DAF3EFA.1B774C0F@sosu.edu>  . I see the light. I'm defiantly going for 7.3-1   Thanks everyone,   Dan    "Main, Kerry" wrote:   > Re: DS25's and VMS version ..  >  > Reference:B > http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/11432_na/11432_na.html6 > Minimum OS support: Tru64 UNIX V5.1A, OpenVMS V7.3-1 > B > Note that VMS V7.3-1 is a much better target platform than 7.3 +J > applicable patches. There are V7.3-1 Customers that are seeing excellent$ > performance enhancements over 7.3. > + > V7.3-1 new features info can be found at: < > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/v731features.html > 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.# > Consulting & Integration Services  > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax   : 613-591-4477 > Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom/ >     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  >  > -----Original Message-----' > From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl]   > Sent: October 17, 2002 2:45 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Re: DS25 Boot from VMS 7.3 CD?  >  > Dan Moore wrote: > 
 > >Greetings!  > > 8 > >  We are the proud owners of an Alpha DS25. I usually9 > >hate to be one of the first to own such a new box, but 9 > >I thought the new series of Alpha's would be worth it. < > >Now I know why I hate to be the first to own a new box... > > 7 > >  VMS 7.3-1 is apparently the minimum version of VMS 8 > >that the DS25 is supposed to run? I'm floored. We had7 > >planned on upgrading to 7.3, but the 7.3 CD will not 5 > >see the internal SCSI drives as the upgrade target 9 > >when booted from the internal IDE CD-RW drive. It just = > >sees the IDE devices (Lovely). We have plenty of 7.3 media 9 > >available, but no 7.3-1. We subscribe to the quarterly < > >software updates and also the CSLG (for education), so we9 > >always have plenty of  installation media and licenses 2 > >floating around (Except for our VMS 7.3-1). The9 > >subscription service was our alternative to purchasing E > >the CD media with the hardware. Hmmm... better rethink that one...  > >  > >My plan: B > >  Upgrade the VMS on another test box (Alpha 1200) to 7.3, thenI > >physically put that disk image on the DS25 and see if the upgraded VMS F > >7.3 and the DS25 SCSI drives like each other.  I have a gut feelingF > >they will, but I wondered if anyone had any interesting comments or- > >creative suggestions about this procedure.n > >tF > I doubt that very much.  A DS25 is essentially half a ES45 I've beenG > told. And these machines do need VMS 7.3-1 because it has the support F > for the new hardware that is inside of them. It is not just the SCSIF > controller, there is much more to it. We had this same discussion inJ > this group regarding the ES45 some time ago, and the conclusion was that >o > you really need 7.3-1 !  >k > > > > >  The DS25 came with a VMS 7.3-1 system disk pre-installed,= > >but this is not much help if you want to upgrade from yourl? > >current system disk, which is running VMS 7.1-1H1 very well.M > >l; > >  After we get over the VMS 7.3-1 issue, we are going top> > >cluster the box with the Alpha 1200, and volume shadow over> > >Fibre Gig Ethernet. We love VMS and Alpha. We are not faced? > >with these issues very often and it will be at least another3: > >3-5 years before we are thinking about upgrading again. > >Maybe longer. > >p > >Many Thanks,e > >r > >Dan > >i > >tA > >-----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News  > ==----------J > >   http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!I > >-----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Serverst	 > >=-----  > >  > >s      K -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==----------eG    http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!pM -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =-----C   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:49:59 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>o' Subject: RE: DS25 Boot from VMS 7.3 CD?nT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D97AD@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Dan,  7 Fwiw, the Alpha OpenVMS V7.3-1 Cdrom p/n is AG-QSBZF-BS-   Regards-  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant- Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660p Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)5       -----Original Message-----+ From: Dan Moore [mailto:dmoore@sosu.edu]=20e Sent: October 17, 2002 6:52 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComN' Subject: Re: DS25 Boot from VMS 7.3 CD?o    . I see the light. I'm defiantly going for 7.3-1   Thanks everyone,   Dan    "Main, Kerry" wrote:   > Re: DS25's and VMS version ..  >t > Reference:=20aB > http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/11432_na/11432_na.html6 > Minimum OS support: Tru64 UNIX V5.1A, OpenVMS V7.3-1 >hE > Note that VMS V7.3-1 is a much better target platform than 7.3 +=20mC > applicable patches. There are V7.3-1 Customers that are seeing=20 . > excellent performance enhancements over 7.3. >t. > V7.3-1 new features info can be found at:=20< > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/v731features.html >m
 > Regards, >i > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.# > Consulting & Integration Services  > Voice: 613-592-4660i > Fax   : 613-591-4477 > Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom/ >     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  >y > -----Original Message-----' > From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl]t  > Sent: October 17, 2002 2:45 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComA) > Subject: Re: DS25 Boot from VMS 7.3 CD?p >o > Dan Moore wrote: > 
 > >Greetings!c > >d8 > >  We are the proud owners of an Alpha DS25. I usually9 > >hate to be one of the first to own such a new box, buta9 > >I thought the new series of Alpha's would be worth it.P< > >Now I know why I hate to be the first to own a new box... > >.7 > >  VMS 7.3-1 is apparently the minimum version of VMS0F > >that the DS25 is supposed to run? I'm floored. We had planned on=20E > >upgrading to 7.3, but the 7.3 CD will not see the internal SCSI=20iJ > >drives as the upgrade target when booted from the internal IDE CD-RW=20I > >drive. It just sees the IDE devices (Lovely). We have plenty of 7.3=20c? > >media available, but no 7.3-1. We subscribe to the quarterly7< > >software updates and also the CSLG (for education), so we9 > >always have plenty of  installation media and licensesl2 > >floating around (Except for our VMS 7.3-1). The9 > >subscription service was our alternative to purchasingoE > >the CD media with the hardware. Hmmm... better rethink that one...w > >I > >My plan:nE > >  Upgrade the VMS on another test box (Alpha 1200) to 7.3, then=20eH > >physically put that disk image on the DS25 and see if the upgraded=20E > >VMS 7.3 and the DS25 SCSI drives like each other.  I have a gut=20 E > >feeling they will, but I wondered if anyone had any interesting=20 9 > >comments or creative suggestions about this procedure.. > >hI > I doubt that very much.  A DS25 is essentially half a ES45 I've been=20 J > told. And these machines do need VMS 7.3-1 because it has the support=20I > for the new hardware that is inside of them. It is not just the SCSI=20mI > controller, there is much more to it. We had this same discussion in=20eH > this group regarding the ES45 some time ago, and the conclusion was=20 > that >  > you really need 7.3-1 !0 >4 > >SJ > >  The DS25 came with a VMS 7.3-1 system disk pre-installed, but this=20F > >is not much help if you want to upgrade from your current system=200 > >disk, which is running VMS 7.1-1H1 very well. > >sJ > >  After we get over the VMS 7.3-1 issue, we are going to cluster the=20I > >box with the Alpha 1200, and volume shadow over Fibre Gig Ethernet.=20'J > >We love VMS and Alpha. We are not faced with these issues very often=20F > >and it will be at least another 3-5 years before we are thinking=20' > >about upgrading again. Maybe longer.- > >a > >Many Thanks,3 > >3 > >Dan > >  > > E > >-----------=3D=3D Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet Newsn > =3D=3D----------C > >   http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the- World!F > >-----=3D Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19=20
 > >Servers > >=3D-----l > >  > >r      B -----------=3D=3D Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News =3D=3D----------G    http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! H -----=3D Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =3D-----   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:26:56 +1000o@ From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au> Subject: ECU< Message-ID: <3daf1d37$0$23171$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  4 Anyone know when I can get a copy of the ECU floppy?   Can't find it on HPQ website.e   cheers   antony   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:11:33 +0200O From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: ECU& Message-ID: <3DAF2785.4090902@home.nl>  H That is because of copyright issues. The software on the floppy can not 1 be freely distributed. You could ask Compaq .....e   Antony Wardle wrote:  5 >Anyone know when I can get a copy of the ECU floppy?o >a >Can't find it on HPQ website. >r >cheers  >  >antonyt >  >t >  p >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:19:31 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>y* Subject: Re: Is anyone using this product?F Message-ID: <DPFr9.9114$%h2.1898@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 "Earl Lakia" <elakia@hotmail.com> wrote in message0 news:U6CcndrYstNVbTOgXTWc3w@News.GigaNews.Com...B > The product also includes a copy of excursions so if you need an9 > x window emulator for your PC, it comes along for free.e >d= > The developers here who could use both platforms, choose toa9 > use the VMS only for most devlopment.  Many people likeiB > the number of lines in an editor session over those available in  > the Visual Studio environment. >t7 > I don't know what the trade off cost would be between 3 > LSE on VMS or a few enterprise tool kit licenses.-    H To a certain extent, use of this product is to permit a few people to beH productive while on the road - during flights to Asia and when they haveK nothing better to do than sit in their hotel rooms (unlikely, but you never-L know). This, coupled with the Visual Studio from Microsoft might result in aJ somewhat consistent development environment at the desktop irrespective of where the person is located.  J BTW...in further conversation with Microsoft today, they claim that VisualJ Studio .NET is a superset of Visual Studio 6, and that nothing was removedE when renaming it to .NET - that only additional web functionality andwJ constructs were added. I cannot comment on that as we have not used Visual@ Studio before so we have no basis for comparison on that matter.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:45:28 -0400r% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>A* Subject: Re: Is anyone using this product?/ Message-ID: <uqubrqg0nrbp0c@news.supernews.com>s  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message@ news:DPFr9.9114$%h2.1898@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >o4 > "Earl Lakia" <elakia@hotmail.com> wrote in message2 > news:U6CcndrYstNVbTOgXTWc3w@News.GigaNews.Com...D > > The product also includes a copy of excursions so if you need an; > > x window emulator for your PC, it comes along for free.o > >t? > > The developers here who could use both platforms, choose to ; > > use the VMS only for most devlopment.  Many people like D > > the number of lines in an editor session over those available in" > > the Visual Studio environment. > > 9 > > I don't know what the trade off cost would be betweene5 > > LSE on VMS or a few enterprise tool kit licenses.O >d > J > To a certain extent, use of this product is to permit a few people to beJ > productive while on the road - during flights to Asia and when they haveG > nothing better to do than sit in their hotel rooms (unlikely, but you- never L > know). This, coupled with the Visual Studio from Microsoft might result in aoL > somewhat consistent development environment at the desktop irrespective of > where the person is located. >2L > BTW...in further conversation with Microsoft today, they claim that VisualL > Studio .NET is a superset of Visual Studio 6, and that nothing was removedG > when renaming it to .NET - that only additional web functionality and0L > constructs were added. I cannot comment on that as we have not used VisualB > Studio before so we have no basis for comparison on that matter. >   G Yes, I believe that VS.NET is a superset of VS6.  But, one of the areas J where Microsoft did a lot of work was third party add-ins.  The EnterpriseE Toolkit used a lot of undocumented interfaces into Visual Studio.  InhK VS.NET, those interfaces are now documented and maybe changed from VS6.   I G don't know if it will be difficult to update the Enterprise Toolkit for01 VS.NET but there is at least a little work to do.d   >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:39:05 -04007- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>d Subject: Re: Life after VMS?+ Message-ID: <3DAF11D7.56AC035@videotron.ca>o   John McLean wrote:J > Thing 1 -  HP sales people at the recent ETS were quite impressed by the: > capabilities of VMS and they are keen to get selling it.    K One has to be weary about attitudes during those events. They may simply benM putting on a "VMS is nice" face during the event because they know that it is H full of VMS bigots, but will they retain that attitude after the event ?  L Same applies to Carly's speech. Even Capellas had the guts to appear at someN DECUIS (or whatever the name was that week) events and paint a rosy picture ofF VMS, but as soon as he was back in Houston, he was planning otherwise.  I > Thing 3 -  In recent days I have seen two OpenVMS articles from HP thatn> > make negative or even disparaging comments about Microsoft.   L I wonder if HP would have the guts to put out the famous "VMS is today where( MICROSOFT wants to be at version 8" ????    K There may be some hope, but it is still too early to tell whether those are'H just token actions to appease the VMS bigots and protect those importantL revenus during a financially hard period at HP, or whether it is a true longM term attitude change. Since Carly isn't likely to make a big splash about VMSCJ in public, then only time will tell if this is just s temporary thing or a  true, permanent attitude change.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:03:05 GMT2# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: Life after VMS?F Message-ID: <tsGr9.9223$%h2.2158@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > "John McLean" <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message/ news:3DAEEB9E.969964E4@swissonline.delete.ch...) >r > John Smith wrote:= >1 > .....1 >VG > > You've got that right. Total clowns who were in charge of different2 industryC > > verticals who couldn't market their way out of a paper bag, who L > > couldn't/wouldn't communicate to their superiors what the customers were > > asking for.  >X > .... >uJ > > Agreed. That's why a print media campaign featuring Carly saying, "The jeweloG > > in the crown of the HP - Compaq merger is VMS" is required. But the  ArmaniG > > crowd will say, "Has she lost he mind? Is she dropping ergot again?  Hasn't" > > she heard about Linux or .NET? >i >iD > There's a few things that I want to say that are pertinent to your > comments:V >nJ > Thing 1 -  HP sales people at the recent ETS were quite impressed by theJ > capabilities of VMS and they are keen to get selling it.  (I am taking aG > report at face value but the source is usually reliable.)  My take onrF > this is that HP sales folk know that there is more to computing than > problem-ridden Windows boxes.  >vI > Thing 2 - Carly's presentation at ETS was quite impressive (as has beenrA > reported in c.o.v. already).  In my opinion any presentation byeG > Cappellas is about as sincere and credible as Microsoft talking aboutWG > security, but I believe that Carly's was in a whole different league.i >nI > Thing 3 -  In recent days I have seen two OpenVMS articles from HP thatoH > make negative or even disparaging comments about Microsoft.  (One is aG > slide - No. 18 ? - in the "High Availability" powerpoint presentation E > where it says how many security alerts there have been for OpenVMS,eE > Solaris and Windows.  Sorry but I can't recall the other one at the I > moment.)   You would never have seen such comments in any articles from % > Compaq!  Times have surely changed.u >vG > Thing 4 - I am not sure why Capellas was so weak on VMS but I suspectLH > that it was a combination of Ben Rosen's cronies sitting on the CompaqI > board of directors, an attitude that supporting anything other than PCspJ > would be "anti-Houston" and be attacking the heart of Compaq, and a veryH > cosy (but costly) relationship with Microsoft.  Perhaps also Cappellas% > just didn't know what VMS could do.l >rJ > All of these factors have radically changed since the merger, with a newH > HQ location, a new board, a more balanced attitude across the company,F > and a new boss who can tell him (directly or indirectly) what to do.C > Carly seems to be calling the shots and I have to say that on the-A > subject of VMS it really looks like she has far more balls thann > Cappellas. >e >nJ > VMS things have moved somewhat slower since the merger than I would haveF > liked but the market is very tough out there ... just take a look atH > Sun's share price and ask Andrew H.  I'm still quite positive that VMSH > sales will pick up when the rest of the IT business starts to recover.H > One thing I can see is that HP are trying a darn sight harder than ..., > what was the name of that company again ??       John,,  % Thanks for all that. Very thoughtful.a  J To take a bit of a contrarian view, today's market is the IDEAL time to be pushing VMS.  J Corporate staffing cutbacks are all the rage. Good people are being thrownL out with the bad. And all the while, the unix and Microsoft server farms areL barfing and getting hit with viruses and causing all sorts of administrative7 nightmares when there aren't enough staff to go around.t  C Today, a dollar of revenue lost due to a server that's down is moremL important that $10 of lost revenue when the markets are hot. That $1 of lostJ revenue shows up as a 2-5x reduction in the multiple the market is willingL to pay for a company's stock It can impact loan covenants, guarantees, forceG stock option repricing, all kinds of corporate financial nastiness thateE corporations don't want to have to deal with in today's inquisitorialLD environment (Monty Python briefly crosses my mind at this juncture).  H All of these are reasons why HP should be pushing VMS for e-commerce and other apps very hard NOW.   J Hell, go to a customer and ask them to put in writing how many times theirH servers go down due to o/s panics and viruses, worms etc. Then guaranteeH them in writing that VMS won't have these issues for a minimum of 1 yearJ from the date the VMS server they install goes 'live' in production - it'dI be a very safe bet for HP to offer this (of course there's the fine print I for all the T&C's). A customer can put a dollars and cents figure on what-H that is worth to them. It's several differentiators all in one package -L reliability and the conviction to stand behind it no questions asked. That'sG what makes a good supplier and a trusted partner. That's what HP has to C demonstrate about VMS to one and all - not just existing customers.n  J Those of us here in c.o.v know the reliability of the h/w and o/s. What weH don't have is the warm fuzzies about the owner of VMS. As the disclaimerK goes - 'past performance in no guarantee of future results'. We need proof.sJ And many need it in larger quantities and faster than it's being provided.L Imagine how a potential *new* customer might view the situation. Digital wasG a big company and they scr*wed up. Compaq was a bigger company and they 6 scr*wed up. HP is bigger still. The jury is still out.    G To come back to Carly for a moment....how many people were in St. LouiskB hearing what she said about VMS? As impressive as her comments andK presentation may have been, she could stem a slew of impending VMS customerVK defections and help HP's VMS sales efforts measurably by going on-record in H the WSJ, etc... with a message such as the one I suggested at the top ofG this post. What is her reticence in doing something like this? It's the H fourth quarter and the team is behind. What do you do? A series of 'Hail+ Mary' plays? Or a strategic assault to win?1    G I've always had a great deal of respect for Digital and the engineering1F culture it spawned. Great products, with some exceptions, but it was aG company that could not market effectively. HP was also a company I alsotI admired, mostly for the test & measurement side of the business, which iscG now Agilent. That said, HP has for a long time been better at marketinge! expensive things than Compaq was.u  H Compaq's BOD failed shareholders miserably. Ben Rosen et al. should haveL been kicked out years go. Pfeiffer was given walking papers for trying to do the 'right thing'.  D I have little faith in IA-64. Others will disagree. It was an effortI originated by HP when they realized that they couldn't compete with Alpha I long-term, and that they didn't want to be in the FAB business. Intel and L HP's progress to-date on IA-64 has been less than inspiring given the amountK of money and talent thrown at it. HP should approach all the EV8 engineers,iI irrespective of where they are working now and ask them if they'd like toUE work on it again. That too is the right thing, poaching issues aside.r   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2002 19:03:04 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)A Subject: Re: Open-source replacement for Digital Standard Runoff?i1 Message-ID: <aon1h8$d2k$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>a  = In article <bec993c8.0210161114.732ff952@posting.google.com>,W, Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:C >Is there an open-source functional equivalent for Digital Standarde >Runoff available?  F The last time I had to deal with a Runoff document, I had a mostly-SEDF script that converted it to NROFF and stuck a handful of macros at the top.  < Not that I could lay my hands on it right now or anything...   -- .H Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	 29.6852N 95.5770W                       WWFD?  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)i   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2002 03:22:59 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>4 Subject: Re: Originator of detached process from DCL- Message-ID: <871y6o50q4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ( Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com> writes:  D > On Alpha V7.3-1, there's a new GETJPI code for the parent process:  m- >   $ write sys$output f$getjpi("","CREATOR")- >      20602D44   . But are we not talking of DETACHED processes?   / And why, pray tell, do we call them `detached'?:   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:13:41 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>3 Subject: Re: OT Humour - If Microsoft made toastersoJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0210180201150.16963-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  , On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Robert Deininger wrote:  5 >+In article <lZOzxlzqY55C@eisner.encompasserve.org>,n. >+koehler@eisner.aspm.encompasserve.org wrote: [...]o$ >+>If VMS Engineering made toasters: [...]  >+> newdark = tt$k_dark_medium( >+> status = sys$assign("TOA0:",chan,,,)& >+> if (.not.status) call exit(status) [...]-I >+Why did you hard-code the toaster name?  Clearly VMS would support mores@ >+than one toaster, so the "TOA0:" string should be generalized.  1  Erm... TOA0: is definitelly a template device ;)d    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E =====================================================================nF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME,. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================o   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:18:04 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>3 Subject: RE: OT Humour - If Microsoft made toastersnJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0210180216220.16963-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  " On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, VAXVMS wrote:  5 >+But TOA0: is just a template (like LTA0:) isn't it?0  +  Excuse me - haven't see you answer before.m%  That is the proper answer :), agree.e    Regards - Gotfryd   -- gE =====================================================================tF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME.. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================e   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2002 15:08:20 -0700: From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry)0 Subject: Re: Question about f$getsyi and Itanium= Message-ID: <7f15589f.0210171408.722c1c62@posting.google.com>/  ^ "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<aojcds$1m76@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>...0 > "VAXVMS" <bounce@notmail.com> wrote in messageG > news:BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B85@rlghncst964.usps.gov...s > 7 > > f$getsyi("ARCH_TYPE") returns 1 if VAX, 2 if Alpha.$ > >c9 > > Will the return value be 3 for Itanium-based systems?e > Y > Yes. http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/731FINAL/6657/6657pro_006.html#arch_specific_ipfn  E Argh!  They've made SYI$_ARCH_NAME "IA-64".  That minus sign is goingaE to break all sorts of things because there are so many contexts where ? it is either an operator or an illegal character.  For example:e   $ create foo.opt# foo.olb/include=(foo_IA-64)/library  ^Z $ link foo/optC %LINK-F-OPTSYNERR, syntax error in options file D0:[CRAIG]FOO.OPT;1r% -LINK-E-OPTLIN, options line in error -         FOO.OLB/INCLUDE=(FOO_IA'-'64)/LIBRARYs $n   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2002 15:35:16 -0700: From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry)/ Subject: Re: stuck process after v7.3-1 upgradei= Message-ID: <7f15589f.0210171435.41a3cb0d@posting.google.com>f   craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry) wrote in message news:<7f15589f.0210152036.3ba33555@posting.google.com>...mH > I'm seeing a readily reproducible issue that showed up after upgradingH > from v7.3 to 7.3-1 where a process consumes a lot of CPU, about 75% inF > kernel mode, and claims to be doing 50,000-70,000 DIOs per second on > my DPW 500au.   F I've discovered a bit more on this.  It's looping in a write attentionD AST routine that requeues itself after reading anything waiting in a> mailbox used for interprocess communication.  This is standardB procedure and has worked for years, but what's new is that the ASTC keeps firing when there aren't any writers.  The reference count on.F the mailbox is 1 and the only process with a channel open to it is theF parent process that is waiting to read from it; the child process thatC was writing to the mailbox has alredy been shut down.  However, thepA operation count on the mailbox continues to climb rapidly and thel. write attention AST keeps firing continuously.  = I've posted more details and a workaround patch for MMK here:   H <http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/vmsperl/2002-10/msg00041.html>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:50:30 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> / Subject: Re: stuck process after v7.3-1 upgradea, Message-ID: <3DAF3EA8.6EF24752@videotron.ca>   "Craig A. Berry" wrote: H > I've discovered a bit more on this.  It's looping in a write attentionF > AST routine that requeues itself after reading anything waiting in a. > mailbox used for interprocess communication.  J Does the AST check the IOSB to see if perhaps the IO would have failed forN some reason ?  EG: the AST gets delivered right away due to a problem with theL mailbox, and the status code indicates some problem, but you keep triggering another QIO to read more ?   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2002 03:40:54 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Tape marks Was: Tape Copy?o0 Message-ID: <87wuog3lbt.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  1 chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers) writes:d  C > There is an interesting gotcha involved with this for the generalu > case.r  'A > On a labeled tape, each logical file is actually three physical$C > files: header, data, and trailer.  The data file can legally be 0iD > records.  This can result in back to back tape marks in the middle > of the tape.  oD > A true EOV occurs when there is an extra tape mark after a trailer > file.   B A true EOT mark is a TM char, 4 blank char times, then a second TMF char.  The fake EOT on an ANSI tape is a TM, a 1/2" or so inter record? gap, then a second TM. Really easy to pick in the electronics. -   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.R@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:29:01 GMTI. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problem 3 Message-ID: <NjDr9.54918$N_6.759475@news.chello.at>y  x In article <slrnaqtjc8.5v3.thomas.themel@firewall.office.cpointc.com>, Thomas Themel <thomas.themel@cpointc.com> writes:H >I'm currently in the process of setting up a PWS433au as an OpenVMS 7.2D >development server. So far, I've got basic OpenVMS, the developmentF >system and telnet running. FTP, however, has consistently resisted my" >efforts to get it up and running.  F Any reason why you try this with a no longer current OpenVMS version ?4 Better use V7.3-1 or V7.3 (or maybe V7.2-2) instead.  E >I did configure it via TCPIP$CONFIG, but it still does not start up.e  F I assume. you do have the appropriate (UCX or NET-APP-SUP-xx0) licenseG (though I think the UCX-CLIENT license allows the TELNET and FTP serverXD but no other servers). Else the TCPIP$CONFIG.COM will tell you about a missing license...  E >What also made me suspicious is that for almost every other service, F >there's a TCPIP$<service>_STARTUP.COM in SYS$MANAGER:, but there's noE >TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP.COM (though I've seen one mentioned in an old post  >in this group).  $ Which version of TCPIP do you have ?  G In my TCPIP V5.3-18 I do see a SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP.COM=  H >%SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation9 >%TCPIP-E-FTP_BIND, cannot bind the address to the socket:9 >  TCPIP$FTP    job terminated at 17-OCT-2002 09:32:23.45A  H That is because a process needs privileges (OPER) to bind to a priv-portF (below 2048) and TCP Port 20/21 (FTP data/command) are such well knownH ports. As the TCPIP$FTP user has no privileges, the TCPIP$FTP_SERVER.EXEI needs to be installed with them )OPER or BYPASS) and that is exactly whatnF (besides other things) SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP.COM does for you.  < >For the clients, this means a "Connection refused" message. >(or, in OpenVMS terms,h1 >%TCPIP-E-FTP_NETERR, I/O error on network deviceh5 >-SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejectedi >:)) > F >As far as I understand, the FTP service should run in the context of A >a user named TCPIP$FTP. That user exists and has the privileges - >NETMBX and TMPBMX set.e  
 That's ok.  I >If I start the FTP service in an interactive SYSTEM session[0], it worksr6 >normally. I've also tried putting the startup line inE >SYSTARTUP_OPENVMS.COM, but that doesn't seem to start it either (and-G >I've got a bad feeling about running an FTP server as SYSTEM, anyway).d   Agreed.e  * >Any ideas on what I might be doing wrong? >e& >[0] @SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]TCPIP$FTP_RUN >	or2 >    RUN /DETA SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]TCPIP$FTP_SERVER  E Upgrade to TCPIP V5.3-18 (or reinstall your version of TCPIP) and usenL /LOG at the PRODUCT INSTALL command and/or check why the FTP startup command file is not on *your* system...t   HIH    -- . Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialistg E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 17 OCT 2002 16:43:05 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)- Subject: Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problem 2 Message-ID: <17OCT02.16430559@thuria.waisman.wisc>   In a previous article, I wrote:aI ->In a previous article, Thomas Themel <thomas.themel@cpointc.com> wrote:r -> mH ->->I did configure it via TCPIP$CONFIG, but it still does not start up.H ->->What also made me suspicious is that for almost every other service,I ->->there's a TCPIP$<service>_STARTUP.COM in SYS$MANAGER:, but there's no H ->->TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP.COM (though I've seen one mentioned in an old post ->->in this group).  -> sD ->Sys$manager:TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP.COM has to be there. It installs theI ->server images (tcpip$ftp_child.exe and tcpip$ftp_server.exe) with privst@ ->which would explain why you see the following in the log file: ->  L ->   %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation= ->   %TCPIP-E-FTP_BIND, cannot bind the address to the socketo ->  H ->I can't explain why the file wouldn't be there. You could try grabbing= ->it from another system that's at the same version of TCPIP.s ->  B ->Also try disabling/re-enabling the FTP server from TCPIP$CONFIG.  D TCPIP$CONFIG does not create tcpip$ftp_startup.com. It's provided byL the installation of TCPIP (I checked both a 5.1 ECO-4 and 5.3 ECO-1 system).   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 8 --                   karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 17 OCT 2002 16:00:59 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)- Subject: Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problema2 Message-ID: <17OCT02.16005901@thuria.waisman.wisc>  G In a previous article, Thomas Themel <thomas.themel@cpointc.com> wrote:t  F ->I did configure it via TCPIP$CONFIG, but it still does not start up.F ->What also made me suspicious is that for almost every other service,G ->there's a TCPIP$<service>_STARTUP.COM in SYS$MANAGER:, but there's no F ->TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP.COM (though I've seen one mentioned in an old post ->in this group).s  B Sys$manager:TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP.COM has to be there. It installs theG server images (tcpip$ftp_child.exe and tcpip$ftp_server.exe) with privs4> which would explain why you see the following in the log file:  J    %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation;    %TCPIP-E-FTP_BIND, cannot bind the address to the socket   F I can't explain why the file wouldn't be there. You could try grabbing; it from another system that's at the same version of TCPIP.g  @ Also try disabling/re-enabling the FTP server from TCPIP$CONFIG.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonh: --                   karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:26:26 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: The Good CEO=F Message-ID: <6WFr9.9118$%h2.2078@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  : "Warren Spencer" <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message/ news:92AA89A49warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30...i, > mathog@caltech.edu (David Mathog) wrote in  <aok18i$d8h$1@naig.caltech.edu>: >tB > >Here is an interesting little article describing "the Good CEO" > >.D > >http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/funds/stephenschurr/10047126.html > >,( > >A certain company's CEO is mentioned. > >S > >Regards,C > >- >-L > Hmmm, didn't see honesty or integrity listed in the top 10 qualities CEO's% > should have.  Not much has changed.:    J Why confuse CEO's with concepts which are new to them? If you do, the nextJ thing you know they'll launch a task force and hire Andersen to consult onL it. In the end the CEO will announce, with much fanfare, the creation of twoH new senior posts Executive Vice-Presidents of Integrity and Honesty. TheK corporate org chart will be updated to show that these two new EVP's report G only to each other, and that they have no supervisory roles, not even am 'dotted line'.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:36:01 GMTb1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)o Subject: Re: The Good CEOd< Message-ID: <lXGr9.154420$8o3.4372788@twister.austin.rr.com>  " John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote: : < : "Warren Spencer" <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message1 : news:92AA89A49warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30...s. : > mathog@caltech.edu (David Mathog) wrote in" : <aok18i$d8h$1@naig.caltech.edu>: : >gD : > >Here is an interesting little article describing "the Good CEO" : > >tF : > >http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/funds/stephenschurr/10047126.html : > >1* : > >A certain company's CEO is mentioned. : > >w
 : > >Regards,. : > >n : >sI : > Hmmm, didn't see honesty or integrity listed in the top 10 qualities  - : > CEO's should have.  Not much has changed.I :  : L : Why confuse CEO's with concepts which are new to them? If you do, the nextL : thing you know they'll launch a task force and hire Andersen to consult onK : it. In the end the CEO will announce, with much fanfare, the creation of eK : two new senior posts Executive Vice-Presidents of Integrity and Honesty. oK : The corporate org chart will be updated to show that these two new EVP's  J : report only to each other, and that they have no supervisory roles, not  : even a 'dotted line'.u :   J If the "Greedy Bunch" CEOs are lucky, the last CEO in the country who had J honesty & integrity and viewed employees as assets will be forced out soon (URL wrapped to 2 lines):M  2    http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/283/business/D    Malden_Mills_wins_extension_of_key_reorganization_deadline+.shtml$    Boston Globe Online / Business / =    Malden Mills wins extension of key reorganization deadline     e*   "By Ross Kerber, Globe Staff, 10/10/2002    pE    Malden Mills Industries Inc. yesterday said a bankruptcy judge has I    extended until Dec. 31 a key deadline in its reorganization process, a G    decision the Lawrence textile company said will help in negotiationsu    with its creditors.    .B    The extension by Judge Joel B. Rosenthal came at the request ofG    attorneys for Malden Mills, whose chief executive, Aaron Feuerstein,IF    hopes to keep control of the company in return for paying off debts6    totaling around $160 million over a 10-year period.     G    Feuerstein is well-known for his decision to continue paying workers G    after a devastating fire in 1995, but over-rebuilding and a downturnhG    in outdoor-goods sales forced the company into bankruptcy protectionoH    last year. Malden Mills says it expects sales to increase again, fromF    $183 million in 2003 to $250 million in 2012, though it says it may     revise those figures soon..."  G This essay from the Washington Post compares Mr. Feuerstein to Enron's r Ken Lay:  5    http://www.torah.org/features/firstperson/ceo.htmlh.    A CEO Who Lives By What's Right - Torah.org    E   "...Where Feuerstein and Lay differed most sharply was on devotion  G    to the bottom line. To Lay, we are almost forced to conclude, it was D    paramount; Feuerstein put the excellence of his product above theB    entries in his ledgers. To Lay, employees were as disposable as0    Kleenex; Feuerstein thinks they are partners.  9    Where did Feuerstein get his extraordinary ideas aboutvG    worker-management relations? "At my father's table. We all had to betH    there. No pizza in the kitchen. I was seven years old when I heard my'    father tell a story I never forgot."a  E    Aaron's father had watched his father, who founded the factory, go B    around at the end of the day and give money to every one of his?    workers. Aaron's father explained to his father, a HungarianhE    immigrant, that this was not the American way. Aaron's grandfatheroH    screamed at Aaron's father that it was against the Torah to do it any
    other way.-  C    Young Aaron consulted his rabbi, who happened to be his maternal-A    grandfather. His other grandfather, he was told, was right. InnB    Leviticus, it is written, "You are not permitted to oppress theI    working man because he is poor and needy." Aaron memorized the passage,     in Hebrew -- and lives by it.  -    Such a rabbi Kenneth Lay should have had."n      2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaila   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:06:41 -0400o' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>a Subject: RE: The Good CEO3T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D97AF@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   John,n   >>>Integrity and Honesty.<<<  ? Reminds me of something I read about integrity and honest beinge< principles and concepts that were invented by the rich - for implementation by the poor.y   :-)    Regardso  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services- Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)i       -----Original Message-----+ From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20g Sent: October 17, 2002 5:26 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma Subject: Re: The Good CEOW      : "Warren Spencer" <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message/ news:92AA89A49warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30...o, > mathog@caltech.edu (David Mathog) wrote in  <aok18i$d8h$1@naig.caltech.edu>: >pB > >Here is an interesting little article describing "the Good CEO" > >eD > >http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/funds/stephenschurr/10047126.html > > ( > >A certain company's CEO is mentioned. > >  > >Regards,  > >  > I > Hmmm, didn't see honesty or integrity listed in the top 10 qualities=20-+ > CEO's should have.  Not much has changed.t    E Why confuse CEO's with concepts which are new to them? If you do, thegD next thing you know they'll launch a task force and hire Andersen toG consult on it. In the end the CEO will announce, with much fanfare, theuG creation of two new senior posts Executive Vice-Presidents of IntegritynG and Honesty. The corporate org chart will be updated to show that these.> two new EVP's report only to each other, and that they have no, supervisory roles, not even a 'dotted line'.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2002 03:54:30 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channelt- Message-ID: <87smz43kp5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:-  E > At least one of the bugs in TCPIP 5.3 as well is so blatant that ithC > looks like nobody did any real testing of th new NFS /structure=5cB > mounts. I mean when you type a $ DIR command and get an infinite > loop that's pretty basic!s   Ah...s  2 That happens also with 7.2-1 plus patches on a CD.  @ DIR CDFOR:[wh*] goes on forever, as does a copy of the contents.; Or untill the target drive fills. Private, /sys, or /clu...d; But, there is a wrinkle. If there is more than one dir that @ matches the wild card, you get those directorys like you should.  @ Oh well, they say that they want VMS to have industry standards.- M$ compatability seems to be shaping up well!p  C PS: The disk in question is the one included with `War of Honor' byaB David Weber. Just incase some one wants an excuse to get it on HPs	 dollar :)d   -- o< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2002 03:57:50 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channelr- Message-ID: <87of9s3kjl.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  ) "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:m   > Dean,l   J > >>>Between this and some of the other complaints, our staff have already > decided to skip 7.3-1.<<<t   @ > The fact that this issue with one specific config (old clusterA > adapter on new system) slipped through is definitely not a good A > thing, but one can hardly paint the entire release based on onel > issue like this.  = How many people did testing and qualification 24 months ago?  
 How many now?    -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:00:21 GMT . From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@attbi.com.fubar>= Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channelC- Message-ID: <8iHr9.81677$NW3.19844@sccrnsc03>n   Kerry,  L I did log a support call on this on Monday.  I received a Field Test version of the fix today. * I have not had a chance to install it yet.   Thanks,u Tomu  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A9B@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. Tom,  H >>> So what is the current recommended cluster adapter for ES4x systems? <<<e  F If not already done, I would recommend getting your call escalated viaF Customer Services and formally request the patch that is in the works.  G With respect to VMS V7.3-1, here is a quote from an earlier thread heree
 on c.o.v.:7 "This past weekend we upgraded from VMS 7.2-1 to 7.3-1.t  A ..Some spot checking on nightly processing indicated that we havewH improved performance by about 20% (clock time). My boss was pleased withF the information especially since we did nothing but upgrade to get the0 improvements (that is not spending any money :)"     Regardsp  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesr Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)e       -----Original Message-----3 From: Tom Simpson [mailto:simpsont@attbi.com.fubar]c Sent: October 16, 2002 8:58 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc= Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channelj    D So what is the current recommended cluster adapter for ES4x systems?  H We have heavy RMS I/O and lock traffic so the thought was that 7.3-1 hadG a lot of improvements to offer in that area.  We also need at least VMSnE 7.3 to use a new SDLT tape drive via a fiber channel interface. 7.3-1nF seemed like a logical choice.  All of my past experience with VMS leadE me to believe that the -1 releases were always the best ones to startn with.o  G I certainly will be a lot more skeptical in the future...  As I said in H my initial post, the error easy to re-create.  Install 7.3-1 with memoryB channel on an ES40 and within the first 12 lines of console outputA during the boot you'll see the error message that MCAn can not beI= initialized and you'll never see another node in the cluster.    Regards, Tom   2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageH news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A97@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp. net. .r Dean,   H >>>Between this and some of the other complaints, our staff have already decided to skip 7.3-1.<<<a  F The fact that this issue with one specific config (old cluster adapterF on new system) slipped through is definitely not a good thing, but oneA can hardly paint the entire release based on one issue like this.   D Note - If you do not have a business reason for upgrading (e.g. takeG advantage of new features, better performance, improved something etc),bD and your current version is meeting your requirements, then you (and> others) should take their time to upgrade at your own leisure.  / This is true of any OS release on any platform.    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanta Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesi Voice: 613-592-4660p Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom+   (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)n       -----Original Message-----, From: Dean Woodward [mailto:deanw@rdrop.com] Sent: October 16, 2002 12:46 PMi To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp= Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channel      Alan Greig wrote:kF > But I find it close to impossible to believe that all Memory ChannelG > support is broken in 7.3-1 on DS20 and ES4x class systems. Can anyonenC > else confirm this? If it really leaked out of the door that badlygF > broken I'd have to advise that 7.3-1 should be considered unsuitable! > for any production application.   E Between this and some of the other complaints, our staff have alreadya decided to skip 7.3-1.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:01:29 -0400a' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>c= Subject: RE: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channel T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660AAC@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Tom,  , Hopefully the patch works out ok for you.=20  H I do know our Customer Center in Hull was able to verify the patch fixedC the problem on their internal lab systems where they had originallyo" verified that there was a problem.  E Note - I saw a number of the technical emails about this issue flying E back and forth internally. While obviously this prob slipping throughaG was not good, all I can say is that I am glad the OpenVMS Engineers are  on our side ..=20   G The problem they identified was really bizarre, but the good news (fromcH my perspective anyway) was how quickly they isolated it and came up with a fix.   :-)g   Regardsr  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesr Voice: 613-592-4660e Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)r     -----Original Message-----6 From: Tom Simpson [mailto:simpsont@attbi.com.fubar]=20 Sent: October 17, 2002 7:00 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come= Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channel-     Kerry,  D I did log a support call on this on Monday.  I received a Field TestD version of the fix today. I have not had a chance to install it yet.   Thanks,f Tomo  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageH news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A9B@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp. net. .  Tom,  H >>> So what is the current recommended cluster adapter for ES4x systems? <<<   F If not already done, I would recommend getting your call escalated viaF Customer Services and formally request the patch that is in the works.  G With respect to VMS V7.3-1, here is a quote from an earlier thread herehB on c.o.v.: "This past weekend we upgraded from VMS 7.2-1 to 7.3-1.  @ .Some spot checking on nightly processing indicated that we haveH improved performance by about 20% (clock time). My boss was pleased withF the information especially since we did nothing but upgrade to get the0 improvements (that is not spending any money :)"     Regardse  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanto Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicess Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)c       -----Original Message-----3 From: Tom Simpson [mailto:simpsont@attbi.com.fubar]e Sent: October 16, 2002 8:58 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com = Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channelu    D So what is the current recommended cluster adapter for ES4x systems?  H We have heavy RMS I/O and lock traffic so the thought was that 7.3-1 hadG a lot of improvements to offer in that area.  We also need at least VMSaE 7.3 to use a new SDLT tape drive via a fiber channel interface. 7.3-1uF seemed like a logical choice.  All of my past experience with VMS leadE me to believe that the -1 releases were always the best ones to starta with.o  G I certainly will be a lot more skeptical in the future...  As I said inVH my initial post, the error easy to re-create.  Install 7.3-1 with memoryB channel on an ES40 and within the first 12 lines of console outputA during the boot you'll see the error message that MCAn can not beo= initialized and you'll never see another node in the cluster.h   Regards, Tomd  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageH news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A97@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp. net. .e Dean,   H >>>Between this and some of the other complaints, our staff have already decided to skip 7.3-1.<<<f  F The fact that this issue with one specific config (old cluster adapterF on new system) slipped through is definitely not a good thing, but oneA can hardly paint the entire release based on one issue like this.   D Note - If you do not have a business reason for upgrading (e.g. takeG advantage of new features, better performance, improved something etc),pD and your current version is meeting your requirements, then you (and> others) should take their time to upgrade at your own leisure.  / This is true of any OS release on any platform.h   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesh Voice: 613-592-4660p Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom+   (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)s       -----Original Message-----, From: Dean Woodward [mailto:deanw@rdrop.com] Sent: October 16, 2002 12:46 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms= Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 breaks clustering using memory channel      Alan Greig wrote:eI > But I find it close to impossible to believe that all Memory Channel=20gJ > support is broken in 7.3-1 on DS20 and ES4x class systems. Can anyone=20F > else confirm this? If it really leaked out of the door that badly=20I > broken I'd have to advise that 7.3-1 should be considered unsuitable=20 ! > for any production application.R  E Between this and some of the other complaints, our staff have already  decided to skip 7.3-1.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:58:03 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)O Subject: Re: VMS New Release Schedule (was:  Adaptec 39160 (KZPEA) & OpenVMS ?) 3 Message-ID: <LSCr9.54681$N_6.751868@news.chello.at>,  i In article <55f85d77.0210170512.5ef91af0@posting.google.com>, P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) writes:Oi >Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<+B3QNCzmU2Oh@eisner.encompasserve.org>...r >>  E >> The plans announced at the recent US DECUS Symposium (hpets) were:  >sE >Many thanks for the update. For the many complaints about the (past,eE >hopefully) treatment of OpenVMS, on this NG, OpenVMS engineering areO$ >clearly putting in a strong effort.  F OpenVMS engineering was *never* a real problem in the past. Marketing,F Sales and Management was and still seems to be. And Service also began9 to be another one. Last not least, don't forget the ISVs.l  I That means, I see good work done by OpenVMS engineering. But that doesn'taE count in my eyes as a renaissance of OpenVMS, because engineering was 
 never absent.a   -- b Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER-% Network and OpenVMS system specialist, E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.575 ************************