1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 20 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 579       Contents: Re: Acrobat Reader?  Re: Acrobat Reader?  Re: Acrobat Reader? - Re: Apache upgrade gives wrong file ownership 1 Re: Callable mail: personal name and forging FROM  Re: CTRL-Y and VMS BACKUP ( Re: Fun: First patch for VMS 7.5 sighted( Re: Fun: First patch for VMS 7.5 sighted( Re: Fun: First patch for VMS 7.5 sighted( Re: Fun: First patch for VMS 7.5 sighted( Re: Fun: First patch for VMS 7.5 sighted Re: graphics card problem ) RE: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line 0 Re: installing the Adobe Acrobat Viewer for Java! Re: Is anyone using this product?   Re: java on VMS - help requested Just a Random Thought  Re: Just a Random Thought ; knowing which graphics card I have without opening the box? ? Re: knowing which graphics card I have without opening the box?  Re: Multia help needed NCDware for OpenVMS ?  New User/Owner VMS question  Re: New User/Owner VMS question  Re: New User/Owner VMS question  read QuickTime?  Re: read QuickTime?  Re: read QuickTime? ) Re: Tape Copy? (Or TapeCopy, the program) ) Re: Tape Copy? (Or TapeCopy, the program) 0 turn a PWS600au to a (nearly) real multimedia PC. Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chance. Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chance. Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chance* where can I ask general purpose questions?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:36:58 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>  Subject: Re: Acrobat Reader?' Message-ID: <3DB1D07B.520EEEAD@Free.fr>    Merci Paul,    I'm all set with XPDF. Bob est mon oncle :-)    D.   Paul Sture wrote:  > [ > In article <newscache$14x64h$f19$1@news.tiscali.fr>, DTL <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes: J > > Er... I do not find VMS in the list of platforms for the Adobe Acrobat > > Reader utility...  > >  > B > No you won't. However, at work we have GV/Ghostscript working onG > Alpha VMS and IMHO, it's far superior to the Adobe standard offering.  > ? > Let me know if you have problems setting that combination up.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:36:16 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>  Subject: Re: Acrobat Reader?' Message-ID: <3DB1D050.70F71CF3@Free.fr>   ! I did. Works fine. Thanks to all.    D.   Dirk Munk wrote: > J > True, there isn't. There is a Java version of Acrobat Reader, however itF > only works with a rather old version of the Java suite. It seems youI > need a small piece of Java software that is in the Mac (!?!) Java suite F > to use it with the newer Java suites if I remember correctly. AnywayI > that Adobe Acrobat Java Reader is most likely a Acrobat 3 reader. Adobe 4 > doesn't maintain it, so there are no new versions. > G > The XPDF reader is a good alternative. I'm using it with Mozilla, and  > I'm quite satisfied.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 02 04:51:28 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: Acrobat Reader?) Message-ID: <2caOdqCVobZg@elias.decus.ch>   W In article <3DB1D07B.520EEEAD@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes: 
 > Merci Paul,  >  > I'm all set with XPDF. > Bob est mon oncle :-)  >   ( Please give my regards to M. Robert. :-)  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Oct 02 20:28:03 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 6 Subject: Re: Apache upgrade gives wrong file ownership) Message-ID: <xXEk35161DLO@elias.decus.ch>   G In article <3DB12E32.4040408@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:   > A very familiar problem  :-) .H > After very upgrade of Apache you should run the configuration utility 8 > again. That will set the appropriate file protections. >   . Thanks for the tip. I had forgotten that step.      > Paul Sture wrote:  > B >>I recently upgraded CSWS/Apache to the latest version on my homeB >>system and found it would not start due to having the wrong fileC >>protections (various files in the APACHE$ROOT directory tree were  >>owned by SYSTEM).  >>A >>I just did it again this week on a test machine at work and the ? >>same happened - this was the T1.3 beta, with the same result.  >> >>Solution:  >>> >>$ set file/owner=parent on the top level APACHE directories. >> >>   >> >  --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:15:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> : Subject: Re: Callable mail: personal name and forging FROM, Message-ID: <3DB1A138.340BB39D@videotron.ca>   "Doc.Cypher" wrote: M > Why doesn't the RFC apply? You're passing a string of up to 255 characters, K > shouldn't it be a RFC 822 compliant from line to ensure the recipient can  > reply?  H VMSmail is not RFC822 compliant. the MAIL$_FROM_LINE expects a string inL VMSmail format which will allow the VMSmail recipient to be able to reply to
 the message.    M I am not talking about the RFC822 header inside the email, I am talking about R the true VMSmail envelope that is used for routing the email inside of VMS/DECNET.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2002 13:25:31 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: CTRL-Y and VMS BACKUP3 Message-ID: <RcW09dx1mHHn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <b096a4ee.0210190705.23833d68@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:j > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<d0iMKfNJ5fHd@eisner.encompasserve.org>...  K >> Some might prefer that absent an explicit negation of /DATE, the command K >> DIRECTORY/DATE/TOTAL continue to provide the features it always had, and  >> detect any missing files. > B > What features? The feature that it looks up dates that never get > written to any output device?   9 > Detect missing files? Isn't that the job of ANAL/DISK?    ? It has traditionally been checked also by DIRECTORY/DATE/TOTAL. > The VMS tradition is for new releases not to break DCL command) procedures that worked on prior versions.   D > What I'm saying is that based on some timing experiments, it seemsH > that DIREC/DATE/TOTAL actually looks up date information from the fileH > headers even though the *only* resultant output is the total number of > files.  # That was clear from what you wrote.   H > all. I`t is completely irrelevant to the problem at hand. So why waste# > time and resources looking it up?   F Because VMS shops, especially those who have lost their VMS expertise,. may be depending on the traditional behaviour.  < > Try this on a directory with a fair number of files in it:  9 Please stop assuming we did not understand what you said.    >> > So even in the case of  >> >   >> > $ DEFINE XXX *.COM,*.TXT  >> >  K >> > why can't DIRECTORY/VERSIONS=n just look for the first match to *.COM, I >> > list the first n versions of that file by checking the first n pairs F >> > of version-no. and file-id, and then just go to the next matchingH >> > file? It can go to the next file when you use ;, so why can't it do( >> > that after finding the nth version? >>  4 >> Because it depends on the RMS wildcard interface. > # > Could you be a little more vague?   = Because it relies on underlying services.   How's that ?  :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Oct 02 20:40:38 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 1 Subject: Re: Fun: First patch for VMS 7.5 sighted ) Message-ID: <oiBp4I2NnjZ1@elias.decus.ch>   G In article <3DB13B4F.6060800@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: F > I was checking the list of patches for AXP VMS, and found the first F > patch for OpenVMS 7.5 ! It is a Fortran patch, so if you're running ) > Fortran on OpenVMS 7.5 you are warned !  >    Whoops!   ) Index of /public/vms/axp/v7.5/fortran/7.5 2 Parent Directory        16-Oct-2002 10:30      -  2 dec-axpvms-forrtl-v0..> 16-Oct-2002 10:30     1k  2 dec-axpvms-forrtl-v0..> 16-Oct-2002 10:30    46k  2 dec-axpvms-forrtl-v0..> 16-Oct-2002 10:30   3.5M  2 dec-axpvms-forteco-v..> 16-Oct-2002 10:30     1k  2 dec-axpvms-forteco-v..> 16-Oct-2002 10:30    46k  2 dec-axpvms-forteco-v..> 16-Oct-2002 10:30  11.8M  2 fortave01075.CHKSUM     16-Oct-2002 10:30     1k  2 fortave01075.CVRLET_TXT 16-Oct-2002 10:30    18k  2 fortave01075.README     16-Oct-2002 10:30    46k    F BTW, I wish they would expand the size of column 1 there. When readingB from a browser with a large enough window, it is possible to hoverD the mouse over the url and see most of the full name, but not always, enough to distinguish one file from another.  D Before someone suggests using ftp instead, many of us sitting behindF corporate firewalls don't have that option, and in any case often wishI to read the cover letter and/or readme, not download the ECO file itself.    It is frustrating.   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Oct 02 21:08:52 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 1 Subject: Re: Fun: First patch for VMS 7.5 sighted ) Message-ID: <s6S2d9iwfAp2@elias.decus.ch>   \ In article <3DB1A89B.95B96907@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Paul Sture wrote: G >> Before someone suggests using ftp instead, many of us sitting behind I >> corporate firewalls don't have that option, and in any case often wish L >> to read the cover letter and/or readme, not download the ECO file itself. >>   >> It is frustrating.  > P > Oh yeah ? think of us who do use FTP and can't view the README anymore becauseN > they are loaded with megabytes of useless javascript because someone decided) > they should be in html instead of text.    Uuurrrggghhh! Ugly indeed!   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:46:54 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 1 Subject: Re: Fun: First patch for VMS 7.5 sighted , Message-ID: <3DB1A89B.95B96907@videotron.ca>   Paul Sture wrote: F > Before someone suggests using ftp instead, many of us sitting behindH > corporate firewalls don't have that option, and in any case often wishK > to read the cover letter and/or readme, not download the ECO file itself.  >  > It is frustrating.  N Oh yeah ? think of us who do use FTP and can't view the README anymore becauseL they are loaded with megabytes of useless javascript because someone decided' they should be in html instead of text.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:06:13 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)1 Subject: Re: Fun: First patch for VMS 7.5 sighted 4 Message-ID: <F2is9.82087$N_6.1161905@news.chello.at>  \ In article <3DB1A89B.95B96907@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Paul Sture wrote:G >> Before someone suggests using ftp instead, many of us sitting behind I >> corporate firewalls don't have that option, and in any case often wish L >> to read the cover letter and/or readme, not download the ECO file itself. >>   >> It is frustrating.  > O >Oh yeah ? think of us who do use FTP and can't view the README anymore because M >they are loaded with megabytes of useless javascript because someone decided ( >they should be in html instead of text.  ( Thanks JF for expressing my thoughts ;-)9 (OTOH I had a more drastic word for 'someone' in my mind)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:26:57 -0500 ( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>1 Subject: Re: Fun: First patch for VMS 7.5 sighted , Message-ID: <p7ucnWAmL5Iwmy-gXTWcqg@GNcache>  D But you can read the cover letters, which contain some usable info. D They always show up on the bottom of the listings on my Lynx client.     JF Mezei wrote:  > Paul Sture wrote:  > F >>Before someone suggests using ftp instead, many of us sitting behindH >>corporate firewalls don't have that option, and in any case often wishK >>to read the cover letter and/or readme, not download the ECO file itself.  >> >>It is frustrating. >  > P > Oh yeah ? think of us who do use FTP and can't view the README anymore becauseN > they are loaded with megabytes of useless javascript because someone decided) > they should be in html instead of text.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:52:45 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> " Subject: Re: graphics card problem' Message-ID: <3DB1D42D.26647D47@Free.fr>   2 http://www.driverguide.com is your Drivers Friend.   login: drivers
 password: all 2 search on S3 Trio, then scroll to S3 Trio64 V2/DX.   Should help.  N I used it yesterday to reconfigure a PC which HD was reformatted. Worked fine." No idea if it will work for VMS...  
 Good luck.  9 "peter.watkinson1@ ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)" wrote:  > 
 > Hi dave, > F > It's an S3 trio it also says S3 Trio644 V2/DX on the chip. It's made > by a firm called Sparkle?  > G > I've also now got a Diamond fire GL 1000 pro Permedia 2 but somehow I # > need to ftp the drivers for this.  > G > My plan is to get the S3 working get Dec Windows up and then copy the % > drivers for the Permedia card over.  > & > Thanks for any help you can give me!   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 02 05:49:47 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 2 Subject: RE: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line) Message-ID: <i8yFqiJXoNf1@elias.decus.ch>   W In article <01C2753A.CA93C4F0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: G > Why the login and e-mail verification? The less hassle to get in, the B > more people will surf it. I'm assuming there are none of the NDAG > presentations there, so wouldn't it be better to make it open and get  > more people reading them?  > D > I get quite enough spam already, and since the e-mail verificationG > wasn't mentioned up front president@whitehouse.gov is about to get an  > unexplained hpets password...  >  No, no, no, no way.    No way at all.  5 http://www.hpets2002.com/portal/reg/createAccount.jsp   ! asks me for a "security question"    Choice of 3:   In what city were you born? ! What is you father's middle name? " What is your mother's maiden name?  ; Totally out of order. Those are the sort of questions that:   3 a) my bank is allowed to ask to confirm my identity ? b) security at work is allowed to ask if I muck up my passwords   I Not a chance that I will broadcast that type of info in clear text across * the Internet. It's not even an SSL page...  B Yes, of course I can lie to protect myself against identity theft," but why the hell should I have to?  2 (insults aimed at the author of that page deleted)   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:01:37 +0200 " From: DTL <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>9 Subject: Re: installing the Adobe Acrobat Viewer for Java . Message-ID: <aosab1$biq$1@news2adm.tiscali.fr>  @ I was going to post that I successfully installed and used XPDF.. http://www.decus.de:8080/www/vms/sw/xpdf.htmlx   Thanks to Dr Martin Zinser.  D.   Dirk Munk wrote:I > Don't try to use it. It will not work with any Java version newer then  F > 1.1.8 (even if Adobe claims that it will). Use XPDF, that will work. >  > DTL wrote: > 5 >> I copied the "Adobe Acrobat Viewer for Java" from  8 >> http://www.adobe.com/products/acrviewer/acrvdnld.html >> and installed it. >> >> Did not find the howto. >>
 >> So, I did:  >> >> DTL02> java LAUNIXGC.SH >>
 >> amd I got:  >>. >> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: launixgc/sh >> >> Can anyone help, please?  >>
 >> Thanks, >> >> D.  >> >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 22:02:15 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: Is anyone using this product?F Message-ID: <HDks9.17161$mxk1.84@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  9 "Meg Garrison" <meg.garrison@xxhpxx.com> wrote in message , news:H4Xr9.25$1j4.601186@news.cpqcorp.net...
 > Hi John, > L > I'm the project leader for OpenVMS ETK and NetBeans. I'd like to fill in a > few blanks for you...  > L > - We don't have plans to make the ETK work in Visual Studio V7 (.NET). TheH > add-in model changed *significantly* from V6 to V7 and we're currently# > spending our resources elsewhere.  > E > - Right now we're focusing on NetBeans, which is an open-source IDE  written F > in Java. It runs on many platforms including OpenVMS Alpha, Windows, MacOS,F > Unixes, etc.. We have plug-ins for NetBeans that add support for theG > EDT-keypad and C/C++ development. The C/C++ support plug-in is really  aimed G > at the native (on OpenVMS Alpha) NetBeans users at this time, but the K > EDT-keypad plug-in will work from Windows or other desktops. In addition, K > we're currently developing distributed support in NetBeans that would let K > you work from any desktop supported by NetBeans to accomplish development  onG > an OpenVMS Alpha machine, much like the current ETK. Also, an OpenVMS L > FORTRAN support plug-in is under development and we're also working on 3GLG > debug support from within NetBeans. Did I mention NetBeans is free of F > charge? Also, support is provided as part of OpenVMS. Plus, there is really< > great newsgroup support available from NetBeans.nbusers at? > news.netbeans.org. You can download NetBeans for OpenVMS from L > <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/> and you canG > download NetBeans for other desktops from <http://www.netbeans.org> .  > G > I hope this answers your questions. Please feel free to contact me if  you'd  > like more information. > 5 > Thanks for your interest in the Enterprise Toolkit!  >  > Meg Garrison     Hey Meg,  K Thanks very much for the update. Sounds like the new direction works better C for us in many ways.  I may get back in touch with you after I have J investigated this further. I'd much rather spend money with the HP OpenVMSD team than with Microsoft, though I still have my misgivings about HP corporately.  J Now all I have to do is keep Sun interested in continuing to support theirL UDS - Unified Development Server (formerly Forte 4GL) on VMS. Their workflowJ piece is a former Digital product. And that's another reason why I need HPK to market VMS more aggressively - to ensure that platform support from what I is in effect an ISV (even though they are a competitor) does not go away.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:58:13 GMT 6 From: Jeffrey Coffield <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com>) Subject: Re: java on VMS - help requested 4 Message-ID: <3DB1AB05.6020601@digitalsynergyinc.com>   John,   G We use FastCGI to connect Apache to our VMS systems. It's fast, stable  G and interfaces with existing business logic. FastCGI allows us to have  G batch jobs running that accept input from web pages doing a "post". Go  B to www.DigitalSynergyInc.com and click on the FastCGI link for an - explanation and download for the VMS portion.   
 Jeff Coffield    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:31:25 -0400 ! From: "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com>  Subject: Just a Random Thought+ Message-ID: <aosb8c$pp6$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   4 Perhaps it is good and bad for the HP/COMPAQ merger.  I HP is definitely a more qualified Enterprise company.  I have used one or C two HP-UX workstations before and found them superb.  Expensive but 	 reliable. G Compaq was cheap crap for bottomfeeders.  How in the world did they get 3 their hands on DEC, and HP Enterprise type company?   G Out of this HP will be left with LINUX, VMS, DIGITAL Unix, and HPUX all G fighting for the back office real estate.  Unfortuneately I predict the ( First answer will win in the pocketbook.  L On the desktop both companies reminded me of three monkeys f**king a barrel.I Just get in line for MS to hand something out, paint the case a different L color, and try to add some proprietary daughter board card so customers have to come back for parts.   K With the DOD NMCI project encompassing both front and back and the Army and I Air Force also evaluating similar arrangements, is their any hope HP will F try to use some of this ENTERPRISE management to win some of these bigC contracts?  Perhaps they could work to figure out how to break a MS 5 dependance, (I hear Methadone works good,  he-he-he).    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:07:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> " Subject: Re: Just a Random Thought, Message-ID: <3DB1F3BA.CC5C3B16@videotron.ca>  ! I didn't have a cappuchino today.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:53:54 +0200 " From: DTL <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>D Subject: knowing which graphics card I have without opening the box?. Message-ID: <aoske3$k52$1@news2adm.tiscali.fr>   Question is in subject. G I'm fed up having 16 million pictures displayed with gif (non) quality.   F Also, where will I find a good driver for this (unknown) card to work & with my Fujitsu/Siemens flat terminal?   Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2002 15:54:59 -07005 From: Craig A. Berry <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> H Subject: Re: knowing which graphics card I have without opening the box?3 Message-ID: <20021019175458684-0500@brianor.local.>   1 In <aoske3$k52$1@news2adm.tiscali.fr> DTL  wrote:  > Question is in subject. I > I'm fed up having 16 million pictures displayed with gif (non) quality.    $ analyze/system SDA> clue config  I and look for the device attached to the GZA port, probably on the second  H page of output.  Or from the console type SHOW CONFIG.  Sometimes these F does not give particularly detailed information but often provide all  you need.     F If your card supports a greater pixel depth than you are getting, you D may need to fuss with SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM.  I . believe there is a section in the FAQ on this.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:07:53 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>  Subject: Re: Multia help needed = Message-ID: <Jlns9.37962$m92.7238141@news1.news.adelphia.net>   J IIRC: The MULTIA needs 24M of Memory in order for it to run the self test.  H Do not consider anything smaller than 16M sims for running OpenVMS, and ' the larger simms are very hard to find.   H I have 64M in my Multia, and it works on 7.2-1, but I do not think that I it has enough memory or at 166Mhz enough horsepower to run heavy JAVA or   something like MOZILLA.   I The best source I have found for Parity 72 pin SIMMS is old 486 class PC  E servers.  You might be able to find a server for sale with the right  ' SIMMS for less than the memory it self.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:27:03 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: NCDware for OpenVMS ?4 Message-ID: <rejs9.82889$N_6.1170920@news.chello.at>  M Does anyone know which version of NCDware was the latest/newest for OpenVMS ?   J I have NCDware V3.3.2 but this version seems older (1994) than my recentlyF acquired NCD ExploraPro(XQ) (or NCD Xplora or NCD Explorapro - I don'tI understand why this thing has three different names written on it) and so 9 it seems that it doesn't support my 'new' X11-terminal...    TIA    -Peter  @ PS: Does anyone know what Flash-Memory-Card fits in an Explora ? --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:55:52 GMT , From: "Kavok Ketras" <KavokKetras@attbi.com>$ Subject: New User/Owner VMS question, Message-ID: <I0hs9.10186$Hj7.3270@rwcrnsc53>  L Hello all. I will be the new owner of a VAX/VMS system. I ordered a VAX 3100H off of Ebay. I assume that all 3100 models belong to the MicroVax class, yes?  & I looked through the Hobbyist Guide atL http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/vax_kit.pdf, and is installation as easy asH that? Its setup will go through and partition the hard drive, name it as> DKA0: (or whatever) and then install the VMS operating system?  H I come from a PC background and know Fdisk, format, and can I apply thatJ knowledge as an analogy for setting up the VAX disk? I mean, are VAX disks/ inherently the same (having a partition, etc.)?   I Is there a very good link/faq for first-time VAX owners in setting up VAX  system for first time ever?   E Also the hobbyist site at Montgar seems to be sold out of OpenVMS VAX G Hobbyist Kit. I don't see any on Ebay. Does anyone have a suggestion on  where to buy a copy?  F Also, I noticed that Encompass (the old DECUS) now charges $90 to be aH member. All I want to do is occasionally play with this at home, I don'tI really have the time to attend conventions, that type of thing. I hope by K just being Associate (which is free) is good enough. Am I being naive here?    Thanks many for your help.   Kavok.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2002 13:31:23 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ( Subject: Re: New User/Owner VMS question3 Message-ID: <rPI2vHdmEMfJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <I0hs9.10186$Hj7.3270@rwcrnsc53>, "Kavok Ketras" <KavokKetras@attbi.com> writes: N > Hello all. I will be the new owner of a VAX/VMS system. I ordered a VAX 3100J > off of Ebay. I assume that all 3100 models belong to the MicroVax class, > yes?  A Yes, although there is rarely a need for anyone to care about the ( difference between a VAX and a MicroVAX.  ( > I looked through the Hobbyist Guide atN > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/vax_kit.pdf, and is installation as easy asJ > that? Its setup will go through and partition the hard drive, name it as@ > DKA0: (or whatever) and then install the VMS operating system? > J > I come from a PC background and know Fdisk, format, and can I apply thatL > knowledge as an analogy for setting up the VAX disk? I mean, are VAX disks1 > inherently the same (having a partition, etc.)?   B In general, VMS disks are not partitioned.  The INITIALIZE commandD will do the software formatting for a disk, as will the BACKUP/IMAGE2 that is typically part of an initial installation.  K > Is there a very good link/faq for first-time VAX owners in setting up VAX  > system for first time ever?   F The VMS Installation Guide for the appropriate version of VMS is best.  $ 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/  H > Also, I noticed that Encompass (the old DECUS) now charges $90 to be aJ > member. All I want to do is occasionally play with this at home, I don'tK > really have the time to attend conventions, that type of thing. I hope by M > just being Associate (which is free) is good enough. Am I being naive here?   G Being an Associate member is good enough -- that was a requirement from H VMS Development, that the hobbyist program not require a membership fee.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:28:49 GMT % From: "Echoes" <echoes@somewhere.com> ( Subject: Re: New User/Owner VMS question= Message-ID: <Rnis9.15535$zE6.45615@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>   ! Thank you much for your response!   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:rPI2vHdmEMfJ@eisner.encompasserve.org... = > In article <I0hs9.10186$Hj7.3270@rwcrnsc53>, "Kavok Ketras"  <KavokKetras@attbi.com> writes: K > > Hello all. I will be the new owner of a VAX/VMS system. I ordered a VAX  3100L > > off of Ebay. I assume that all 3100 models belong to the MicroVax class, > > yes? > C > Yes, although there is rarely a need for anyone to care about the * > difference between a VAX and a MicroVAX. > * > > I looked through the Hobbyist Guide atH > > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/vax_kit.pdf, and is installation as easy as L > > that? Its setup will go through and partition the hard drive, name it asB > > DKA0: (or whatever) and then install the VMS operating system? > > L > > I come from a PC background and know Fdisk, format, and can I apply thatH > > knowledge as an analogy for setting up the VAX disk? I mean, are VAX disks 3 > > inherently the same (having a partition, etc.)?  > D > In general, VMS disks are not partitioned.  The INITIALIZE commandF > will do the software formatting for a disk, as will the BACKUP/IMAGE4 > that is typically part of an initial installation. > I > > Is there a very good link/faq for first-time VAX owners in setting up  VAX  > > system for first time ever?  > H > The VMS Installation Guide for the appropriate version of VMS is best. > % > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/  > J > > Also, I noticed that Encompass (the old DECUS) now charges $90 to be aL > > member. All I want to do is occasionally play with this at home, I don'tJ > > really have the time to attend conventions, that type of thing. I hope byI > > just being Associate (which is free) is good enough. Am I being naive  here?  > I > Being an Associate member is good enough -- that was a requirement from J > VMS Development, that the hobbyist program not require a membership fee.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:12:33 +0200 " From: DTL <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> Subject: read QuickTime?. Message-ID: <aosp1k$pla$1@news2adm.tiscali.fr>  I What will allow me to read .mov or other RealOne or Windows Media Player  C movies on my VMS box? I found about Compaq Multimedia Services for  F OpenVMS Alpha but the SPD only talks about MPEG 1 and 2. Is QuickTime  .mov format MPEG something?    Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:57:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: read QuickTime?, Message-ID: <3DB1F154.BD5393E2@videotron.ca>  
 DTL wrote: > J > What will allow me to read .mov or other RealOne or Windows Media Player > movies on my VMS box?   K Hire the mafia to kill off Carly, Curly, Winkler and the whole board of HP, Q place your own VMS-friendly board and CEO and then these things will come to VMS.   N Your best bet right now is to buy a MAC and NFS to the VMS machine so that the mac can read the .MOV file.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:52:21 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>  Subject: Re: read QuickTime?= Message-ID: <97ns9.37958$m92.7235611@news1.news.adelphia.net>   
 DTL wrote:K > What will allow me to read .mov or other RealOne or Windows Media Player  E > movies on my VMS box? I found about Compaq Multimedia Services for  H > OpenVMS Alpha but the SPD only talks about MPEG 1 and 2. Is QuickTime  > .mov format MPEG something?   G The multimedia services can play .AVI, MPEG-1 format files if you have   compatable hardware.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  ( Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:40 +0100 (BST)9 From: duncan@macdonald.compulink.co.uk (Duncan Macdonald) 2 Subject: Re: Tape Copy? (Or TapeCopy, the program)B Message-ID: <memo.20021019184020.35725A@macdonald.compulink.co.uk>  J In article <3DB0B12D.7000909@uiowa.edu>, rick-dyson@uiowa.edu (Richard L. 
 Dyson) wrote:    > First: > > > 	Thanks to all the help and suggestions.  The method of bothC > Foreign mounts and raw Copy chunk by chunk seemed to work for me.  > C > However, the TapeCopy program interested me.  I picked it up, but C > it in MACRO and has absolutely no documentation at all.  Not even 2 > a build procedure or instructions in the header. > I > When I "Macro TapeCopy", it gives tons of errors (Alpha/OpenVMS v7.2-1) # > and generates a 0-block OBJ file.   L There are three things that need to be done to get this to work (I used 7.3)  O 1) the tapecopy.mar file has a linefeed character at the end of each line which ( the MACRO compiler does not seem to like  8 2) the data and code areas need to be in separate PSECTsJ put a .PSECT data line before the start of the data and a .PSECT code line before the .ENTRY directive   M 3) Put a .BLKL 1 line between the two data buffers to ensure that the second  K one starts on an even byte boundary. (I seem to recall some devices having  L problems if the transfer starts on an odd byte boundary - don't know if this; is still the case but 1 extra longword is cheap insurance.)    ------------------------------  ( Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:52 +0100 (BST)9 From: duncan@macdonald.compulink.co.uk (Duncan Macdonald) 2 Subject: Re: Tape Copy? (Or TapeCopy, the program)B Message-ID: <memo.20021019185251.35725B@macdonald.compulink.co.uk>  J In article <3DB0B12D.7000909@uiowa.edu>, rick-dyson@uiowa.edu (Richard L. 
 Dyson) wrote:c   > First: > > > 	Thanks to all the help and suggestions.  The method of bothC > Foreign mounts and raw Copy chunk by chunk seemed to work for me.a > C > However, the TapeCopy program interested me.  I picked it up, butpC > it in MACRO and has absolutely no documentation at all.  Not evene2 > a build procedure or instructions in the header. > I > When I "Macro TapeCopy", it gives tons of errors (Alpha/OpenVMS v7.2-1)n# > and generates a 0-block OBJ file.tK  In article <3DB0B12D.7000909@uiowa.edu>, rick-dyson@uiowa.edu (Richard L. a
 Dyson) wrote:r   > First: > > > 	Thanks to all the help and suggestions.  The method of bothC > Foreign mounts and raw Copy chunk by chunk seemed to work for me.s > C > However, the TapeCopy program interested me.  I picked it up, butoC > it in MACRO and has absolutely no documentation at all.  Not evene2 > a build procedure or instructions in the header. > I > When I "Macro TapeCopy", it gives tons of errors (Alpha/OpenVMS v7.2-1),# > and generates a 0-block OBJ file.p  L There are three things that need to be done to get this to work (I used 7.3)  O 1) the tapecopy.mar file has a linefeed character at the end of each line whichn( the MACRO compiler does not seem to like  8 2) the data and code areas need to be in separate PSECTsJ put a .PSECT data line before the start of the data and a .PSECT code line before the .ENTRY directive0  M 3) Put a .BLKL 1 line between the two data buffers to ensure that the second  K one starts on an even byte boundary. (I seem to recall some devices having XL problems if the transfer starts on an odd byte boundary - don't know if this; is still the case but 1 extra longword is cheap insurance.)e  N The instructions are in the source - mount the two tapes as specified and run # the program - there are no options.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:26:49 +0200 " From: DTL <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>9 Subject: turn a PWS600au to a (nearly) real multimedia PCu4 Message-ID: <newscache$q8594h$bdl$1@news.tiscali.fr>  G Instead of asking a question every hour, I may better ask my questions i in one shot.  I Who has already turned a vanilia PWS600au running 7.3-1 with 512 Mo to a . multimedia tabletop?   audio player CD audio player  video player
 DVD player microphone input etc.  2 and how? which HW? which drivers? where from? etc.   Thanks,w   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:31:15 +0200e- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>v7 Subject: Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chancee' Message-ID: <3DB1B304.8743AE04@Free.fr>b  L A few months ago. Now in the FNAC shop you find French packaging by LogitechA instead of Connectix. They also repackaged the QuickCam products.e   D.   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > Y > In article <3DB06D5A.60C499E4@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes:+< > > We could ask Logitech. They purchased VirtualPC for Mac. >  > When did that happen ? > = > Googling for VirtualPC points to Connectix, the originator.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:44:00 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 7 Subject: Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chance.I Message-ID: <Amks9.17104$mxk1.16018@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   J "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message/ news:20021018193611.4846.qmail@gacracker.org...e8 > On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: > >Didier Morandi wrote: >r > <snip> > < > >> Who will start porting MS Office(tm) to VMS/DECwindows? > >> > >> I ask the question. > >> > >o5 > >Seems a pretty peverse thing to want to run on VMSa; > >IA64 after all isn't destined to be a volume desktop CPUe. > >for some time because of its heat and cost. > >m; > >Wouldn't you be better off pushing for SAP/Seibel/Oracleh7 > >Apps/PeopleSoft/Sybase and all the other server appsR2 > >missing from or not at an up-to-date rev in the > >OpenVMS software portfolio. >aF > For some inexplicable reason, there are people in this newsgroup whoD > believe that VMS from desktop to datacenter would be A GOOD THING. > J > I wonder... Would the name of the newsgroup perhaps explain why you findJ > people who dare to think things like that here instead of a bunch of Sun
 > zealots?     Doc,  J Andrew's points are perfectly valid and cogent. The server space needs allK the apps Andrew mentioned before desktop office suites. It may well be thateL there are functional server equivalents available on VMS, even ones that mayK be better than the big names, but big corporations use these vendors as theeG "check-off must have's" on their RFP's - even if they have no immediate_L plans to use those apps. It's called CYA, and that isn't short for Cambodian Yachting Association.o  F As to 'office suites', MS Office does not run on Sparc/Solaris, nor onL PowerPC/AIX, nor on PA-Risc/PH-UX, yet all those platforms seem to do prettyL well on the server side of the world as far a market share is concerned. I'mJ not convinced that there are vast numbers of Sun or other proprietary unixI users who buy unix boxes solely so a secretary can run StarOffice. I willrK conceed that having an office suite available does make such a purchase/usem more likely.  G I agree that almost any contemporary 'office suite' running on VMS is arI reasonable idea, but it does not necessarily have to be MS Office. In mayiG ways it would be preferable that it isn't - for reasons which have beenRB articulated earlier in this thread. Output from such a package forJ mainstream word processing business use probably only has to be .rtf, .ps,L .eps, .txt, .wp, .wpd, and maybe Word 97 format. The spreadsheet formats areJ better documented, so they ought to be easier to implement. StarOffice and= WordPerfect Office would be perfectly acceptible as packages.r   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2002 23:32:33 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>e7 Subject: Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chanceo6 Message-ID: <20021019233233.12816.qmail@gacracker.org>  9 On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:eK >"Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in messagev   <snip>  G >> For some inexplicable reason, there are people in this newsgroup whoaE >> believe that VMS from desktop to datacenter would be A GOOD THING.  >>K >> I wonder... Would the name of the newsgroup perhaps explain why you findiK >> people who dare to think things like that here instead of a bunch of Suno >> zealots?> >S >v >Doc,h >a0 >Andrew's points are perfectly valid and cogent.  I Oh I don't disagree with him about where the priorities should be. I justC- found the way he put it a little provocative.l   >The server space needs all L >the apps Andrew mentioned before desktop office suites. It may well be thatM >there are functional server equivalents available on VMS, even ones that may L >be better than the big names, but big corporations use these vendors as theH >"check-off must have's" on their RFP's - even if they have no immediateM >plans to use those apps. It's called CYA, and that isn't short for Cambodian- >Yachting Association. >8G >As to 'office suites', MS Office does not run on Sparc/Solaris, nor onsM >PowerPC/AIX, nor on PA-Risc/PH-UX, yet all those platforms seem to do prettyaM >well on the server side of the world as far a market share is concerned. I'mhK >not convinced that there are vast numbers of Sun or other proprietary unixnJ >users who buy unix boxes solely so a secretary can run StarOffice. I willL >conceed that having an office suite available does make such a purchase/use
 >more likely.D  J Despite using a pseudonym, I do remember office staff using Wordperfect on VAX systems.  H >I agree that almost any contemporary 'office suite' running on VMS is aJ >reasonable idea, but it does not necessarily have to be MS Office. In mayH >ways it would be preferable that it isn't - for reasons which have beenC >articulated earlier in this thread. Output from such a package for2K >mainstream word processing business use probably only has to be .rtf, .ps,vM >.eps, .txt, .wp, .wpd, and maybe Word 97 format. The spreadsheet formats arehK >better documented, so they ought to be easier to implement. StarOffice andn> >WordPerfect Office would be perfectly acceptible as packages.  H MS Office would not be my first choice either. Because the way MicrosoftJ appear to develop software involves picking up a standard, reading the oftJ used phrase "Be liberal in what you receive", and promptly interpreting it' as "They'll take whatever we serve up".   : I wonder if they should consider a merger with MacDonalds.     Doc. -- t6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net:   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:06:25 +0200u" From: DTL <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>3 Subject: where can I ask general purpose questions?n4 Message-ID: <newscache$qi194h$qqi$1@news.tiscali.fr>  G There used to be a DEC internal use forum (we say "conference") called lA ASKENET, where all kind of questions could be asked to the whole t (connected) DEC community.   Is there such Internet forum?l  < My question is: "where can I ask general purpose questions?" :-)u   D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.579 ************************