1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 21 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 581       Contents:- Re: Accessing procedure names within an image  Any news from Sue ? & Build trouble: Python 2.1.3 on VMS 7.2 Re: CTRL-Y and VMS BACKUP ' Re: DIRECTORY doesn't go beyond 80col ? ) Re: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line ) Re: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line  Re: New User/Owner VMS question  Re: New User/Owner VMS question ) Re: OT: Oracle's take on Microsoft's .NET ) Re: Python 2.1.3 on VMS 7.2 - Impossible? > Re: Type of monitor to use? [WAS: New User/Owner VMS question]> Re: Type of monitor to use? [WAS: New User/Owner VMS question]> Re: Type of monitor to use? [WAS: New User/Owner VMS question]> Re: Type of monitor to use? [WAS: New User/Owner VMS question]> Re: Type of monitor to use? [WAS: New User/Owner VMS question]. Re: where can I ask general purpose questions?. Re: where can I ask general purpose questions?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:46:03 +0200 6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>6 Subject: Re: Accessing procedure names within an image) Message-ID: <3DB2F9EB.7060105@vajhoej.dk>    John Nebel wrote:   L > The object is to allow a condition handler e-mail a traceback on a program  > crash. (Alpha VMS 7.2-2/7.3-1) > I > I've got that working with lib$get_invo_xxx but can't figure out how to ! > get the called procedure names.     . I do not think the procedure names will always be available in the image.  3 But for some info try and look at some old VAX code  of mine:-    http://www.vajhoej.dk/anonymous/GIVE_NAME/    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:40:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Any news from Sue ?, Message-ID: <3DB39344.B8F1DA18@videotron.ca>  L Last week, Sue announced that she was recovering from surgey and would be atN home for some time. haven't heard from her since. Any news from her ? Sue, are you still alive ? Doing OK ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:10:05 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>/ Subject: Build trouble: Python 2.1.3 on VMS 7.2 , Message-ID: <3DB37001.6080602@spammotel.com>   OpenVMS Alpha 7.2  WASD 8.0 (with OPENSSL 0.9.6E) DECC 6.5  E Thanks to the kind assistance of others in c.o.v I've managed to get  I past the compiler issue and attempt a fresh build of Python 2.1.3.  It's  H not the smoothest build, that's for sure.  Anyone else out there manage I to build and install this latest release of Python for VMS yet?  I think  E I'm getting close to something usable, but have stalled at the point   shown below.  I If anyone can tell why these messages are generated, please let us know!  I    The directory that is reported 'missing' by the build process is very   much where it should be.   Thanks,  Alder   8 $ @PYTHON_INSTALL DISK$NET:[PYLIB] DISK$NET:[PYTHON] 7.0 .  .  . " Building WASD module (YES/NO) [Y]? register _wasd  < Building Python Library Imaging Library module (YES/NO) [Y]? register _imaging   % Building gdchart module (YES/NO) [Y]?  register gdchart  I %COPY-W-INCOMPAT, PYTHON_ROOT:[VMS]CONFIG_OPTIONAL_MODULES.TXT;7 (input)   and PYT @ HON_ROOT:[VMS]CONFIG.DAT;1 (output) have incompatible attributesF %AMAC-F-OPENOUT, error opening PYTHON_ROOT:[VMS.O_ALPHA.VMS] as output -RMS-E-DNF, directory not found " -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file $    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2002 20:36:24 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)" Subject: Re: CTRL-Y and VMS BACKUP= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0210201936.4b9ce627@posting.google.com>   h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<RcW09dx1mHHn@eisner.encompasserve.org>...p > In article <b096a4ee.0210190705.23833d68@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:l > > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<d0iMKfNJ5fHd@eisner.encompasserve.org>... >   M > >> Some might prefer that absent an explicit negation of /DATE, the command M > >> DIRECTORY/DATE/TOTAL continue to provide the features it always had, and  > >> detect any missing files. > > D > > What features? The feature that it looks up dates that never get! > > written to any output device?  >   ; > > Detect missing files? Isn't that the job of ANAL/DISK?   > A > It has traditionally been checked also by DIRECTORY/DATE/TOTAL.   @ I'm not aware of anyone using DIREC/DATE/TOTAL to detect missingE files. Can you provide an example? Perhaps you are talking about when A there is a directory entry pointing to a non-existent file. Well,  let's check it out:    DCL> DIREC A.B  /DATE    ! Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[FELDMAN]     A.B;1              no such file     Total of 1 file. DCL> DIREC A.B  /TOTAL   ! Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[FELDMAN]     Total of 1 file. DCL> SH SYM $STATUS    $STATUS == "%X00000001"  DCL> DIREC A.B  /TOTAL/DATE    ! Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[FELDMAN]     Total of 1 file. DCL> SH SYM $STATUS    $STATUS == "%X00000001"  DCL>  A I don't see any difference between the outputs of DIREC/TOTAL and E DIREC/TOTAL/DATE. So how does it check for missing files? It doesn't! B So why waste resources looking up dates that never get used in any way?  D Please provide an example of this functional use of DIREC/TOTAL/DATE5 that you speak of -- because this certainly isn't it.   @ > The VMS tradition is for new releases not to break DCL command+ > procedures that worked on prior versions.   > What about changes in V4.0 where logical names were completely	 revamped?   ? From the VAX/VMS Version 4.4 Guide to VAX/VMS File Applications C manual: "With VAX/VMS Version 4.4, VAX RMS no longer assumes that a F concealed logical name is a terminal logical name." That doesn't sound< backward-compatible to me! There's also "File specificationsC containing the double underscore are no longer valid." Then there's E the time they decided to start enforcing not using a $ to begin a DCL ) continuation line or something like that.   F > > What I'm saying is that based on some timing experiments, it seemsJ > > that DIREC/DATE/TOTAL actually looks up date information from the fileJ > > headers even though the *only* resultant output is the total number of
 > > files. > % > That was clear from what you wrote.   
 Thank you!    [...]    > > > Try this on a directory with a fair number of files in it: > ; > Please stop assuming we did not understand what you said.   C Since your response of "detect any missing files" has nothing to do B with DIREC/TOTAL/DATE, I assumed you misread my question. Besides,< I've already had two readers misunderstand my argument aboutE SEARCH_LIST in this very thread!!! People said you can't or shouldn't D use SEARCH_LIST in the restore command. But nowhere did I say to useD it in the restore command. Please read my other posts in this threadE and you will see what I mean. In fact, I've also seen see other posts  misunderstood in c.o.v.    [...] M > >> > why can't DIRECTORY/VERSIONS=n just look for the first match to *.COM, K > >> > list the first n versions of that file by checking the first n pairs H > >> > of version-no. and file-id, and then just go to the next matchingJ > >> > file? It can go to the next file when you use ;, so why can't it do* > >> > that after finding the nth version? > >>  6 > >> Because it depends on the RMS wildcard interface. > > % > > Could you be a little more vague?  > ? > Because it relies on underlying services.   How's that ?  :-)   @ Well, this obviously means that you really have no idea what the answer to the question is. :-)   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:17:07 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>0 Subject: Re: DIRECTORY doesn't go beyond 80col ?, Message-ID: <3DB31D53.6040803@tsoft-inc.com>   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  U > In article <00A15B9F.3984140F@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > g >>In article <8Jvs9.90540$N_6.1280212@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:  >>M >>>I just noticed that the DIRECTORY command displays 4 columns on 80 columns L >>>screens and eg. only 3 columns on 60 columns screen which seems quite ok. >>> O >>>To my surprise it also displays only 4 columns on 132 columns screens. Why ? M >>>It obviously honors the terminal width, but not beyond 80 columns. Is this L >>>true/intended ? And why did it take me umpteen years to wonder about it ? >>> P >>One can display more than the default of 4 columns with the /COLUMNS qualifier >>of the DIRECTORY command.    >> > L > Yes, you are right, it is clearly documented. But I wondered why I thoughtI > for years, that the columns count is derived from the terminal width...  >  > N >>I suppose that a simple algorithm could be employed in the DIRECTORY commandO >>to determine the maximum number of columns that fit in 132 character mode but O >>if you use 132 character mode, you might wish to display filenames wider than E >>the 19 character default instead.  ie. DIRECTORY/WIDTH=FILENAME=32   >> >  > I usually do > C > 	$ D == "DIRECTORY/DATE/SIZE/SEC/WIDTH=(FILE=17,OWNER=15,SIZE=4)"  >  > for my 80col screen... >  > Thanks for responding     < Well, Brian answered your question, but now I have one.  :-)  O How could a VMS person forget about the HELP command?  For shame, the PC users   are converting you.  :-)  P I also customize the DIRECTORY command, mostly to get what I want in 80 columns.   Note the default setting below:   	 DIRECTORY       /COLUMNS             /COLUMNS=n   E       Specifies the number of columns in a brief display. The default        is four.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:36:39 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> 2 Subject: Re: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line/ Message-ID: <ur68f87teu4m01@news.supernews.com>   6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:i8yFqiJXoNf1@elias.decus.ch... > > In article <01C2753A.CA93C4F0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:I > > Why the login and e-mail verification? The less hassle to get in, the D > > more people will surf it. I'm assuming there are none of the NDAI > > presentations there, so wouldn't it be better to make it open and get  > > more people reading them?  > > F > > I get quite enough spam already, and since the e-mail verificationI > > wasn't mentioned up front president@whitehouse.gov is about to get an ! > > unexplained hpets password...  > >  > No, no, no, no way.  >  > No way at all. > 7 > http://www.hpets2002.com/portal/reg/createAccount.jsp  > # > asks me for a "security question"  >  > Choice of 3: >  > In what city were you born? # > What is you father's middle name? $ > What is your mother's maiden name? > = > Totally out of order. Those are the sort of questions that:  > 5 > a) my bank is allowed to ask to confirm my identity A > b) security at work is allowed to ask if I muck up my passwords  > K > Not a chance that I will broadcast that type of info in clear text across , > the Internet. It's not even an SSL page... > D > Yes, of course I can lie to protect myself against identity theft,$ > but why the hell should I have to? >   L It gets worse.  I had to fill that page out so I picked one of the questionsJ but my answer was "None of your business!".  A few weeks later, I tired toL use the "I forgot my password" page but the field where you enter the answerL to the security question would only accept 16 characters so I couldn't enter
 my answer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:07:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 2 Subject: Re: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line, Message-ID: <3DB32907.1A62441F@videotron.ca>   John Vottero wrote: N > It gets worse.  I had to fill that page out so I picked one of the questionsL > but my answer was "None of your business!".  A few weeks later, I tired toN > use the "I forgot my password" page but the field where you enter the answerN > to the security question would only accept 16 characters so I couldn't enter > my answer.   LOL ! That is a good one !   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:14:04 GMT % From: "Echoes" <echoes@somewhere.com> ( Subject: Re: New User/Owner VMS question= Message-ID: <0gDs9.33726$La5.89239@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:9cAs9.24690$Q3S.20388@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >  <snip  > J > IIRC, the 3100 has a thinwire and thickwire ethernet port, but not a nowK > standard UTP RJ-45 type jack. It has a DEC MMJ jack for a VT-xxx or other I > DEC gear. In order to connect a PC with a 'normal' ethernet card to the G > thin/thick wire port, you will need a transceiver that converts to an  RJ-45 
 > style jack.  >   ( If I'm understanding all this correctly:  K . Get a MMJ to serial port null modem cable if I want to attach directly to J my PC if I don't want to buy a DEC monitor, and download the HyperTerminalK Private Edition (or get comparable product). Of course, I have to have free  serial port on PC.   or  3 . Get a MMJ cable to attach from VAX to DEC monitor    or  G I asume your comment on PC with ethernet and RJ-45 wasn't about monitor - connection but more about general networking?      Kavok    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:28:49 GMT # From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net> ( Subject: Re: New User/Owner VMS question- Message-ID: <3DB37457.DDAD9A20@earthlink.net>   
 Echoes wrote: * > If I'm understanding all this correctly: > M > . Get a MMJ to serial port null modem cable if I want to attach directly to L > my PC if I don't want to buy a DEC monitor, and download the HyperTerminalM > Private Edition (or get comparable product). Of course, I have to have free  > serial port on PC. > or5 > . Get a MMJ cable to attach from VAX to DEC monitor  >   L Maybe just a typo on your part but in case it's not, the video is present onN a "D" connector (don't know the pin count).  There's a good page with picturesN at http://vaxarchive.org/hw/vs3100/index.html  Near the end of the page you'llK find a diagram for a VS3100-to-Multisynch monitor cable. I haven't tried it L but am keeping a copy in reserve for when (if) my VR290 goes the way of it's maker.     > or > I > I asume your comment on PC with ethernet and RJ-45 wasn't about monitor / > connection but more about general networking?   J The ethernet connection is either by the built-in thinwire BNC or whateverM is attached to the 15-Pin AUI connector. A latching push button switch on the J back panel makes the selection between the two.  Look for a network symbolI (#) above a switch and that's the one.  There's also a switch on the back P panel that disables the graphics adapter and turns a VAXStation into a MicroVAX.D I don't remember which one but I think it's one of the DIP switches.  ! Hope this helps...Aaron Sliwinski    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:38:26 -0500 1 From: Daniel & Hezra Moore <moore@redriverok.com> 2 Subject: Re: OT: Oracle's take on Microsoft's .NET. Message-ID: <3DB384C2.3C98038E@redriverok.com>  & --------------F57D7B9094F14A62B668DF57, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit    Also check out  )  http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim2.html )  http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim3.html )  http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim4.html    and especially:   )  http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim5.html      Dan    Arne Vajhj wrote:   > Shane Smith wrote: > , > > http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim1.html > >  > > I don't think they like it.  >  > True.  > , > Not the first time, that Oracle is talking > against Microsoft. >  > Arne  & --------------F57D7B9094F14A62B668DF57) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Also check outh <p>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim1.html">http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim2.html</a>i <br>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim1.html">http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim3.html</a> i <br>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim1.html">http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim4.html</a>  <p>and especially:h <p>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim1.html">http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim5.html</a>
 <br>&nbsp; <p>Dan <p>Arne Vajh&oslash;j wrote:( <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Shane Smith wrote:d <p>> <a href="http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim1.html">http://www.oracle.com/ip/net/claim1.html</a> <br>> ! <br>> I don't think they like it.  <p>True.- <p>Not the first time, that Oracle is talking  <br>against Microsoft. <p>Arne</blockquote> </html>   ( --------------F57D7B9094F14A62B668DF57--      K -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- G    http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! M -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =-----    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:29:08 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>2 Subject: Re: Python 2.1.3 on VMS 7.2 - Impossible?, Message-ID: <3DB3201D.6080409@spammotel.com>   Arne Vajhj wrote:6 >> In article <3DB25323.2050604@spammotel.com>, Alder ' >> <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> writes:  >>I >>> As most of you know, the most recent hobbyist CD from Montagar comes  8 >>> with OpenVMS 7.2 and the DEC C compiler version 6.0. >>> G >>> I've just downloaded the latest Python for VMS release, 2.1.3, and  H >>> struggled through some misnaming of symbols only to discover that I 6 >>> can't compile it on anything older than DEC C 6.2. >> > 0 > Where is Python 2.1.3 for VMS available from ? >  > Arne >   " I found a link to the source here:  C http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/docs/python_vms/INSMAN/TITLE_PAGE.HTML   = *** Version 6.2 or greater of the DEC C compiler is required.   F On the same page as the ZIP links is a link to the Python_Install.txt F file.  Though it's not explained on the site, it's a DCL command file H that should be copied to the same directory as the two ZIP archives you H will download and renamed with a .COM extension.  The two ZIP files are:   	PYTHON-2_1_3-VMS-SRC.ZIP 
 	TOOLSLIB.ZIP   C The PYTHON_INSTALL.COM procedure ran pretty well on my system, but  I complained about "bad file version number" when it was creating files in  F the directory [...LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3].  I'm not sure what the ! problem is, or if it's important.   ! Let us know how the install goes!    Regards, Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 14:35:46 -0400  From: Everhart <ge@gce.com> G Subject: Re: Type of monitor to use? [WAS: New User/Owner VMS question] + Message-ID: <aout27$1pp$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   	 me wrote: J > If it is Microvax will it even have a graphics card?  I thought theywereL > terminal driven.  Vaxstations had graphics cards.  If this is the case, anK > MMJ to serial port null modem cable is needed.  Hyperterminal works OK on N > Windows.  Preinstalled in Linux is usually minicom which works pretty slick.L > One old distribution had Seyon installed with OVWM which worked out of the > box as a terminal. >  > Dave > ; > Peter LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message 0 > news:9Bus9.89731$N_6.1262445@news.chello.at... > 7 >>In article <t7ts9.20851$qM2.4524@sccrnsc02>, "Echoes"  >   > <echoes@somewhere.com> writes: > H >>>About the hardware, what can I do to prep? Does the 3100 plug up to aJ >>>regular monitor using VGA port? Or do I need to get a different type ofH >>>monitor (such as component) and buy a non-vga cable? Do I need to buy >> > some > = >>>special type of power cord? Is keyboard using a PS/2 port?  >>! >>No. The monitor is DEC special. F >>RGB, sync-on-green (no H/no V), BNC, 1024x864(GPX) or 1280x1024(SPX) >>" >>No. The keyboard is DEC special. >>LK201 (or LK401) >>0 >>Don't confuse workstations with Personal Crap.L >>Workstations were expensive,heavy but were designed for over 15 years use.C >>PC were cheap but you had to throw it away after about 5 years...  >> >>-- >>Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' >>Network and OpenVMS system specialist  >>E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH >>A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist >  >  > E I checked awhile back at CompUSA and found that a number of multisync H monitors can gandle sync on green. You just have to check before buying.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:32:51 GMT % From: "Echoes" <echoes@somewhere.com> G Subject: Re: Type of monitor to use? [WAS: New User/Owner VMS question] = Message-ID: <nFCs9.31009$zE6.83164@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>   ; "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message . news:9Bus9.89731$N_6.1262445@news.chello.at...7 > In article <t7ts9.20851$qM2.4524@sccrnsc02>, "Echoes"  <echoes@somewhere.com> writes:H > >About the hardware, what can I do to prep? Does the 3100 plug up to aJ > >regular monitor using VGA port? Or do I need to get a different type ofH > >monitor (such as component) and buy a non-vga cable? Do I need to buy some= > >special type of power cord? Is keyboard using a PS/2 port?  > ! > No. The monitor is DEC special. F > RGB, sync-on-green (no H/no V), BNC, 1024x864(GPX) or 1280x1024(SPX) > " > No. The keyboard is DEC special. > LK201 (or LK401)  C Thank you! It looks like back to Ebay I go in search of this stuff!    Kavok    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:44:02 GMT % From: "Echoes" <echoes@somewhere.com> G Subject: Re: Type of monitor to use? [WAS: New User/Owner VMS question] = Message-ID: <SPCs9.31114$zE6.84221@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>   , "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> wrote in message% news:aouct5$i7c$1@bob.news.rcn.net... J > If it is Microvax will it even have a graphics card?  I thought theywereL > terminal driven.  Vaxstations had graphics cards.  If this is the case, anK > MMJ to serial port null modem cable is needed.  Hyperterminal works OK on G > Windows.  Preinstalled in Linux is usually minicom which works pretty  slick.L > One old distribution had Seyon installed with OVWM which worked out of the > box as a terminal. >  What is MMJ?  I Eventually, when I get all things set up on VAX, I plan to remove monitor J and keyboard and just log into the system through network. I have a coupleH of BNC cables lying around here. I just have to find a BNC network card.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:30:20 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)G Subject: Re: Type of monitor to use? [WAS: New User/Owner VMS question] 4 Message-ID: <gvDs9.95473$N_6.1401350@news.chello.at>  e In article <SPCs9.31114$zE6.84221@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>, "Echoes" <echoes@somewhere.com> writes: 
 >What is MMJ?    Modified Modular Jack.H It's a 6pin Telephone Jack (IIRC it is named RJ12) where the lock is notD centered but on the side, to not confuse it with the telephone jack.  G DEC named them DEC423 (probably because of RS423 woltage) and used them I for serial lines. The pinning is symmetrical where ground is pin 3 and 4.   * I think, it's time to look for some FAQ...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:46:50 GMT % From: "Echoes" <echoes@somewhere.com> G Subject: Re: Type of monitor to use? [WAS: New User/Owner VMS question] = Message-ID: <KKDs9.31678$zE6.88163@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>   D Yes you are probably right. I thank you and all others for patiently answering my questions.   H This is quite an adventure so to say. I was probably naive in thinking IJ could quickly set this up. I would have downloaded the Charon Vax emulator& but they removed the hobbyist link :-(    ; "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message . news:gvDs9.95473$N_6.1401350@news.chello.at...H > In article <SPCs9.31114$zE6.84221@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>, "Echoes" <echoes@somewhere.com> writes: > >What is MMJ?  >  > Modified Modular Jack.J > It's a 6pin Telephone Jack (IIRC it is named RJ12) where the lock is notF > centered but on the side, to not confuse it with the telephone jack. > I > DEC named them DEC423 (probably because of RS423 woltage) and used them K > for serial lines. The pinning is symmetrical where ground is pin 3 and 4.  > , > I think, it's time to look for some FAQ... >  > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:50:05 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 7 Subject: Re: where can I ask general purpose questions? & Message-ID: <3DB316FD.FD31F0F@Free.fr>  L My post was badly written. Any questions. Not only in the VMS land. Not only about DEC products.    D.   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > d > In article <3DB279D8.2080100@vajhoej.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: > > DTL wrote: > > K > >> There used to be a DEC internal use forum (we say "conference") called E > >> ASKENET, where all kind of questions could be asked to the whole  > >> (connected) DEC community.  > >>" > >> Is there such Internet forum? > >>A > >> My question is: "where can I ask general purpose questions?"  > >> :-) > > 3 > > I think comp.os.vms/INFO-VAX is *the* place for  > > general purpose questions. > 5 > DECUServe is another.  Telnet to eisner.decus.org .    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:21:11 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> 7 Subject: Re: where can I ask general purpose questions? < Message-ID: <howard-A2D564.17211120102002@enews.newsguy.com>  & In article <3DB316FD.FD31F0F@Free.fr>,/  Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:   N > My post was badly written. Any questions. Not only in the VMS land. Not only > about DEC products.   A It's called USENET.  You find the appropriate newsgroup for your  ! particular question, and you ask.    --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.581 ************************