1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 22 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 583       Contents:( Re: 3 node cluster w/shadowing questions( Re: 3 node cluster w/shadowing questions Re: Acrobat Reader?  Re: Acrobat Reader?  Re: Acrobat Reader?  Re: Acrobat Reader?  Re: Acrobat Reader?  RE: Any news from Sue ? 0 Re: batch process won't die after BACKUP aborted* Re: Booting a VMS cluster node using BOOTP* Re: Build trouble: Python 2.1.3 on VMS 7.2* Re: Build trouble: Python 2.1.3 on VMS 7.2* Re: Build trouble: Python 2.1.3 on VMS 7.2* Re: Build trouble: Python 2.1.3 on VMS 7.2A Re: Current storage interconnect options, and new gigabit option? A Re: Current storage interconnect options, and new gigabit option? 0 Re: Deleting expired licenses - irrelevant asideE Re: GNV: BASH questions and source code location ?, Was: Re: $ RECALL  Re: graphics card problem  Re: Hobbyist License0 HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?4 Re: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?4 Re: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?4 Re: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?4 Re: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?4 Re: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?7 RE: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!  HP webpage sizing  Re: HP webpage sizing  Re: HP webpage sizing ) Re: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line ) Re: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line ) Re: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line   Re: java on VMS - help requested  Re: java on VMS - help requested Re: Linker tip of the day  Re: Multia help needed Re: Multia help needed Re: Multia help needed Re: Multia help needed Re: Multia help needed Re: Multia help needed Re: NCDware for OpenVMS ?  Re: NCDware for OpenVMS ?  Re: NCDware for OpenVMS ?  Re: read QuickTime?  Re: read QuickTime? O Re: Register/load licenses (Was :Register an Hobbyist layered product  license) O Re: Register/load licenses (Was :Register an Hobbyist layered product  license) O RE: Register/load licenses (Was :Register an Hobbyist layered product  license) O Re: Register/load licenses (Was :Register an Hobbyist layered product  license) ) Re: Tape Copy? (Or TapeCopy, the program)  Re: Tape marks Was: Tape Copy?$ Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problem$ Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problem$ Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problem$ Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problem) Re: TCPIP,VMS 7.2.1 Alpha, license issue? 4 Re: turn a PWS600au to a (nearly) real multimedia PC. Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chance. Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chance. RE: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chance	 VMSJava-L + Re: Why does this file-spec work only once? ' Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again ' Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again ' Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 17:26:37 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 1 Subject: Re: 3 node cluster w/shadowing questions = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0210211626.75368936@posting.google.com>   ' jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote: G > Keith, with SAN-based storage around today, would we gain anything by G > having both sites mount the storage directly rather than through MSCP C > serving?  Then a node crashing wouldn't/shouldn't(?) cause a full  > shadow copy. > C > I mean, if we have the data pathway for volshad, it seems like we ? > could avoid many of these issues entirely via the remote SAN.   > Yes, if there is an inter-site Fibre Channel link, you are not> dependent on MSCP-serving to keep the remote shadowset members "alive".  D You also avoid the bit of extra latency of going through the OpenVMSF MSCP Server on the way to the disk.  Although Alphas are faster today,E the last time I saw measurements of this it added about 1 millisecond C to the access time to go through an MSCP server on an OpenVMS node, ) compared with going to the disk directly.   E In the past, it was advised that you always have at least 2 nodes per C site in a multi-site cluster where you did cross-site shadowing, so F that for common events like OpenVMS upgrades or ECO kit installs, or aB system crash, you didn't incur a full copy operation, as you would@ with only a single node at a site.  But with an inter-site Fibre> Channel link, one doesn't even need one node at a site to keepB shadowset members there up-to-date (although it certainly helps toC have at least one server there so the data can still be used if the  other site(s) are destroyed.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 21:25:22 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 1 Subject: Re: 3 node cluster w/shadowing questions 3 Message-ID: <t+CladDllkXJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <cf15391e.0210211626.75368936@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: ) > jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote: H >> Keith, with SAN-based storage around today, would we gain anything byH >> having both sites mount the storage directly rather than through MSCPD >> serving?  Then a node crashing wouldn't/shouldn't(?) cause a full >> shadow copy.  >>D >> I mean, if we have the data pathway for volshad, it seems like we@ >> could avoid many of these issues entirely via the remote SAN. > @ > Yes, if there is an inter-site Fibre Channel link, you are not@ > dependent on MSCP-serving to keep the remote shadowset members
 > "alive". > F > You also avoid the bit of extra latency of going through the OpenVMSH > MSCP Server on the way to the disk.  Although Alphas are faster today,G > the last time I saw measurements of this it added about 1 millisecond E > to the access time to go through an MSCP server on an OpenVMS node, + > compared with going to the disk directly.  >   : 	Let me add another downside to MSCP served storage.  MSCP@ 	tuning.  At a customer site MONITOR MSCP revealed buffer waits.G 	ONe of the few good MSCP tuning tips was posted here by Keith himself:   T http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8ap43n%24d9k%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&output=gplain  < 	Intuitively, if you had the choice between direct access or@ 	MSCP you would always choose the former.  The server "catching"? 	the writes has to put it on a platter (or writeback cache) and 2 	ack it.  I'm surprised the overhead is only 1 ms.   				Rob   B Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wonder G Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstream > The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder  -                                 -- Neil Young    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:37:59 +0200 " From: DTL <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> Subject: Re: Acrobat Reader?4 Message-ID: <newscache$i7hc4h$frj$1@news.tiscali.fr>   Phillip Helbig wrote: A >>  In addition to xpdf, catdoc is quite usefull on a VMS system.  >  > @ >    http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?CATDOC  > I successfully got it installed. It gave perfect results with , accentuated characters and lines formatting.  ) But I got that at the botton of the file:    {U{    {-+`"1   H        [xBpw% 5  	 Any clue?    D.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 15:07:31 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Acrobat Reader?3 Message-ID: <ev4kGtScQXjV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <newscache$i7hc4h$frj$1@news.tiscali.fr>, DTL <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes:  > Phillip Helbig wrote: B >>>  In addition to xpdf, catdoc is quite usefull on a VMS system. >>   >>  A >>    http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?CATDOC  > @ > I successfully got it installed. It gave perfect results with . > accentuated characters and lines formatting. > + > But I got that at the botton of the file:   ?    At the bottom of the file it seems to just keep scanning for D    printable characters.  Sometimes I think the whole thing is based    on isprint().   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:57:30 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: Acrobat Reader?G Message-ID: <_SZs9.34192$%h2.2362@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   B "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> wrote in message- news:20021018165206133-0500@brianor.local.... 7 > In <3DB08128.31E34115@Free.fr> Didier Morandi  wrote:  > H > > And I'm surfing the Internet with MOZ 1.1b, and when I see somethingI > > interesting I click on it and when it's a Word doc, I forget it (will I > > read it from my beloved Mac), when its pdf I wonder where I could get G > > the reader, and I discover that there is no and I slowly understand ' > > that we are fighting a lost battle.  > H > Do you read this group or only post to it?  As has been said more thanF > once, there are PDF viewers for VMS.  The installation guide for theJ > browser you are using clearly explains how to get one of them working as > a plug-in.    K I have seen several hour delays at times from when I posted something until / it appeared in the ng. It happens occasionally.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 17:19:45 -0700/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers)  Subject: Re: Acrobat Reader?= Message-ID: <754a27c1.0210211619.3ee6dea1@posting.google.com>   h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<pcUNhcxcnaAw@eisner.encompasserve.org>...[ > In article <newscache$14x64h$f19$1@news.tiscali.fr>, DTL <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes: K > > Er... I do not find VMS in the list of platforms for the Adobe Acrobat   > > Reader utility...  > B > Correct.  There was a supported product for VMS for a while, butD > the (small) vendor dropped it, presumably due to lack of interest.E > (I believe they had to make royalty payments independent of sales.)     5 It's not exactly dropped, but it seems to be dormant.   D When there is time, there are still plans to complete a version that doesn't require royalties.  C The problem is that there has been very little interest in actually ? paying for such a product.  The ONLY purchases were from non-US C customers.  The US response has been "Well, if you give it away, we  might try it."   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 01:12:36 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Acrobat Reader?0 Message-ID: <00A15CCF.0C0E0B80@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <754a27c1.0210211619.3ee6dea1@posting.google.com>, chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers) writes: i >Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<pcUNhcxcnaAw@eisner.encompasserve.org>... \ >> In article <newscache$14x64h$f19$1@news.tiscali.fr>, DTL <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes:L >> > Er... I do not find VMS in the list of platforms for the Adobe Acrobat  >> > Reader utility... >>  C >> Correct.  There was a supported product for VMS for a while, but E >> the (small) vendor dropped it, presumably due to lack of interest. F >> (I believe they had to make royalty payments independent of sales.) >  > 6 >It's not exactly dropped, but it seems to be dormant. > E >When there is time, there are still plans to complete a version that  >doesn't require royalties.  > D >The problem is that there has been very little interest in actually@ >paying for such a product.  The ONLY purchases were from non-USD >customers.  The US response has been "Well, if you give it away, we >might try it."   F ... and, unlike XPDF which can't display some PDFS and that Adobe JavaG version which requires an 8 way marvel system to get the performance of F of the DEC CDA display postscript viewer on a VAXstation 2000, the ASI% PDF viewer works exceptionally well.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:37:09 -0700 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>  Subject: RE: Any news from Sue ?0 Message-ID: <01C278F6.56523030@sulfer.icius.com>  F I literally just exchanged emails with her. She seems in good spirits.   Shane    -----Original Message-----: From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com]' Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:42 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   Subject: Re: Any news from Sue ?    G She has been sending mail, so I am assuming all is well.  She indicated  toE me before she left that the procedure didn't require a hospital stay,  but ) she would be recovering for a week or so.   E Expect her to need a few days to get unburied from mail.  She is very  popular, and very busy.   = JF Mezei wrote in message <3DB39344.B8F1DA18@videotron.ca>... J >Last week, Sue announced that she was recovering from surgey and would be atK >home for some time. haven't heard from her since. Any news from her ? Sue,  are  >you still alive ? Doing OK ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:32:51 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz 9 Subject: Re: batch process won't die after BACKUP aborted % Message-ID: <3db48dad.361959400@news>   , On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 06:50:17 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:   / Seen this on our HSD attached SCSI DLT Devices. $ The way I've "fixed" the problem is:  B Use Availability Manager to delete the process. Not sure what this< does that Stop/ID doesn't but it's certainly worked for me.   E That leaves the tape Drive being allocated to a non-existent process. ? For this I use the Compaq supplied Utility: This has the ident:   (         Image Identification Information  E                 image name: "CSCPAT_0245_USE_WITH_CAUTION_MTDISMOUNT" <                 image file identification: "CSC/CS MTDMT V2"7                 link date/time: 27-OCT-1993 07:06:28.58 .                 linker identification: "05-13"  ( This has cleared the device owner field. No reboot required.    Rob.  
 >VAX VMS, 7.2  > L >Got a strange behaviour of BACKUP in batch.  Somehow, on the 3rd TK70, some >hard error occured. I  O >first specified "CONTINUE" to see if it could, but I quickly got another OPCOM , >request, at which point I specified "QUIT". > ; >BACKUP huffed and puffed for a few instants, issuing many: 6 >	%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer= >and then exited, allowing the command procedure to complete.  > N >The batch log file ended with the accounting information. But the MUA0 deviceA >stays mounted and the process continues to exist on the system !  > L >STOP/ID does nothing. SHOW PROC says it is suspended. I have inlcuded belowM >the relevant snapshot for the device, log file and process (from ana/system)  >  > M >SHOW ENTRY/FULL reveals that it is still EXECUTING.  DELETE/ENTRY results in @ >the SHOW ENTRY now showing it "ABORTING". Process still in LEF. >  > N >I'll let it like that for perhaps a day, and then unless I get something fromJ >comp.os.vms, I'll have to REBOOT MY VMS MACHINE. Ah, I think we should beL >allowed to sue the VMS engineers whenever we must reboot a VMS node :-) :-) >  > , >Below are some of the relevant information: >  > P >Magtape VELO$MUA0:, device type TK70, is online, allocated, controller supportsM >    tape data caching (write-back cache enabled), mounted foreign, volume is Q >    marked for dismount, record-oriented device, file-oriented device, available * >    to cluster, error logging is enabled. > P >    Error count                    1    Operations completed              20315P >    Owner process      "BACKUP FULL"    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]P >    Owner process ID        2020151E    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WP >    Reference count                3    Default buffer size               32768 > P >    Volume label            "FBAK3 "    Relative volume no.                   0P >    Record size                    0    Transaction count                     1P >    Mount status             Process    Mount count                           0% >    ACP process name              "" P >    Density                    10000    Format                        Normal-11 > D >  Volume status:  no-unload on dismount, position lost, odd parity. > O >And more interestingly, the "BACKUP_FULL" process remains there on the system, M >in a LEF state. (even though the batch job log file ends with the accounting F >for the job). STOP/ID does nothing. (not even put it in RWAST).  SHOW3 >PROC/CONT fails, it sais the process is suspended.  >  > . >Here is the relevant portion of the log file: >  > Q >$ backup/noinitialize/image/noalias/record/journal=F-2002-10-21.BJL/block=32528- H >        /ignore=(interlock) $DISK2: mua0:disk2.save/save_set/norewind -) >        /label=(FBAK1,FBAK2,FBAK3,FBAK4) Q >%BACKUP-W-ACCONFLICT, $DISK2:[ALLIN1.DATA_SHARE]DEFER$MAIL.DAT;1 is open for wri  >te by another user  > % ><snipage of various normal warnings>  >  > 1 >%BACKUP-I-RESUME, resuming operation on volume 3 # >%MOUNT-I-OPRQST, medium is offline B >%MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Please mount volume FBAK3  in device _VELO$MUA0:E >BACKUP requests: Saveset DISK2.SAVE, Volume number 03, write ENABLED / >%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, FBAK3 mounted on _VELO$MUA0: J >%MOUNT-I-RQSTDON, operator request canceled; mount completed successfully6 >%BACKUP-E-FATALERR, fatal error on MUA0:[]DISK2.SAVE; >-SYSTEM-F-DATALOST, data lost >%BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC = >%BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested 0 >%BACKUP-I-OPREPLY, operator reply is "CONTINUE"6 >%BACKUP-E-FATALERR, fatal error on MUA0:[]DISK2.SAVE; >-SYSTEM-F-DATALOST, data lost >%BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC = >%BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested , >%BACKUP-I-OPREPLY, operator reply is "QUIT"9 >%BACKUP-F-ABORT, operator requested abort on fatal error 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer 5 >%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on idle buffer  >$!  >$dealloc mua0: . >%SYSTEM-F-DEVMOUNT, device is already mounted
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 >$!**********  >$! 2 >$set file F-2002-10-21.BJL/expiry="+120-00:00:00" >$! / >$request "Le backup hebdomadaire est termin."  >$exit9 >  SYSTEM       job terminated at 21-OCT-2002 06:04:49.98  >  >  Accounting information:M >  Buffered I/O count:           58121         Peak working set size:   16500 M >  Direct I/O count:            106697         Peak page file size:     22304 M >  Page faults:                  11543         Mounted volumes:             3 N >  Charged CPU time:           0 01:15:42.50   Elapsed time:     0 02:42:21.02 >  > % >using ANA/SYSTEM , SHOW PROC/CHANNEL A >Process index: 001E   Name: BACKUP FULL   Extended PID: 2020151E A >---------------------------------------------------------------- 4 >                            Process active channels4 >                            -----------------------= >Channel  Window           Status        Device/file accessed = >-------  ------           ------        -------------------- . >  0010  00000000                        DUA0:. >  0020  00000000             Busy       MUA0: >SDA> SHOW PROC A >Process index: 001E   Name: BACKUP FULL   Extended PID: 2020151E A >---------------------------------------------------------------- 1 >Status : 00044023 res,delpen,respen,batch,phdres " >Status2: 00000001 quantum_reschedG >PCB address              80D84780    JIB address              80D7BC00 G >PHD address              81A65600    Swapfile disk address    00000000 G >Master internal PID      002A001E    Subprocess count                0 G >Internal PID             002A001E    Creator internal PID     00000000 G >Extended PID             2020151E    Creator extended PID     00000000 G >State                       LEF      Termination mailbox          0000 G >Current priority                8    AST's enabled                KESU G >Base priority                   3    AST's active                 NONE G >UIC                [00001,000004]    AST's remaining               100 J >Mutex count                     0    Buffered I/O count/limit       49/50J >Waiting EF cluster              0    Direct I/O count/limit         50/50M >Starting wait time       1C001C1C    BUFIO byte count/limit      64000/64000 G >Event flag wait mask     7FFFFFFF    # open files allowed left     300 G >Local EF cluster 0       66300004    Timer entries allowed left     50 G >Local EF cluster 1       80000000    Active page table count       284 G >Global cluster 2 pointer 00000000    Process WS page count         328 G >Global cluster 3 pointer 00000000    Global WS page count          204    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:38:37 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 3 Subject: Re: Booting a VMS cluster node using BOOTP 2 Message-ID: <xYWs9.37$4Q7.682150@news.cpqcorp.net>  A David J. Dachtera wrote in message <3DB0B3F2.34242D20@fsi.net>...  >Fred Kleinsorge wrote: 	 >> [snip] K >> VMS knows how to service MOP requests and send the image back using MOP. G >> VMS will be taught to service PXE requests as well (requires TCPIP).  > H >Will this be limited to UCX (TCPIP Services) or stack-neutral (TCPware, >Multinet)?  >   H I doubt that this would have any dependency on the IP stack.  But at theI same time, I also assume that if it did, you would lilkely see all of the H stacks eventually have it.  PXE is a standard, so there isn't really any behind the back magic.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:02:24 -0700 * From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>3 Subject: Re: Build trouble: Python 2.1.3 on VMS 7.2 + Message-ID: <3db44130$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   C "Jean-Franois PIRONNE" <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> wrote in message % news:3DB404E4.AAED86E4@laposte.net... - > You can ignore the message %COPY-W-INCOMPAT    I'm good at that. :-)   J > The directory PYTHON_ROOT:[VMS.O_ALPHA.VMS], initially empty, is created when  > the Python saveset is restore.F > It was accidently remove from the latest distribution, sorry for the > inconvenience.& > I will add it and rebuild a new kit.  J > If you want to build a better install procedure, or better a kit, I will be very 1 > happy to include it into a new distribution :-)   F I wish I had the skills to help out, but I'm very new to VMS and would( likely cause more problems than I solve.  L > I am currently working on a new port of the forthcoming 2.3 version, which pass( > nearly all the Python regession tests.  L I'll keep my eyes peeled for that.  Thanks for all your extremely good work.   Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:57:35 -0700 * From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>3 Subject: Re: Build trouble: Python 2.1.3 on VMS 7.2 + Message-ID: <3db45c2f$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   C "Jean-Franois PIRONNE" <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> wrote in message % news:3DB404E4.AAED86E4@laposte.net... J > The directory PYTHON_ROOT:[VMS.O_ALPHA.VMS], initially empty, is created when  > the Python saveset is restore. > H > You can, before build the last module, create manually this directory.    H That worked.  Thanks.  The two object files you mentioned are now there.  J I'm getting pretty close now, but just tripped on a missing SSLLIB logicalK (I think).  The entrails are at the bottom.  Any advice you have for fixing  it would be appreciated.  L This may be related to an earlier problem I reported.  My version of OpenSSLK is 0.9.6E as supplied with the WASD 8.0 server kit.  The first time through E the Python build (about 3-4 tries back) it reported being unable find G "openssl/rsh.h" so I created the OPENSSL system logical to refer to the $ OpenSSL include files under HT_ROOT.  "     $ DEFINE /SYSTEM /NOLOG SSLLIB. "HT_ROOT:[SRC.OPENSSL-0_9_6E.INCLUDE.OPENSSL]"  2 Anyway, here is what the SSLLIB error looked like.  8 $ @PYTHON_INSTALL DISK$NET:[PYLIB] DISK$NET:[PYTHON] 7.0 .  .  . % Building gdchart module (YES/NO) [Y]?  register gdchartL %COPY-W-INCOMPAT, PYTHON_ROOT:[VMS]CONFIG_OPTIONAL_MODULES.TXT;7 (input) and PYT @ HON_ROOT:[VMS]CONFIG.DAT;2 (output) have incompatible attributes Library already register Library already register Library already register Library already register Library already register Library already register Library already register Library already register? %LINK-F-OPENIN, error opening SSLLIB:[LIBZ]LIBSSL.OLB; as input K -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation  $ SHO LOG SSL*   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)    (LNM$JOB_80D19400)   (LNM$GROUP_000001)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)   (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)4 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name SSL* $    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:10:53 +0200 6 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean=2DFran=E7ois=20PI=C9RONNE?= 3 Subject: Re: Build trouble: Python 2.1.3 on VMS 7.2 + Message-ID: <3DB46D5D.CD919186@laposte.net>   N SSLLIB is a logical defined by the procedure openssl_startup.com which is part of the OpenSSL kit.   O You can download and install, as suggested, the standard OpenSSL kit, SSLLIB is P the directory which contains LIBCRYPTO.OLB and LIBSSL.OLB, or if you want to useM the WASD version of OpenSSL, you will have to define SSLLIB as a search list:  $ define SSLLIB - -    HT_ROOT:[SRC.OPENSSL-0_9_6E.AXP.EXE.SSL],- .    HT_ROOT:[SRC.OPENSSL-0_9_6E.AXP.EXE.CRYPTO]  3 You will probably need also the logical SSLINCLUDE.   
 Jean-Franois    Alder wrote: > E > "Jean-Franois PIRONNE" <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> wrote in message ' > news:3DB404E4.AAED86E4@laposte.net... L > > The directory PYTHON_ROOT:[VMS.O_ALPHA.VMS], initially empty, is created > when" > > the Python saveset is restore. > > J > > You can, before build the last module, create manually this directory. > J > That worked.  Thanks.  The two object files you mentioned are now there. > L > I'm getting pretty close now, but just tripped on a missing SSLLIB logicalM > (I think).  The entrails are at the bottom.  Any advice you have for fixing  > it would be appreciated. > N > This may be related to an earlier problem I reported.  My version of OpenSSLM > is 0.9.6E as supplied with the WASD 8.0 server kit.  The first time through G > the Python build (about 3-4 tries back) it reported being unable find I > "openssl/rsh.h" so I created the OPENSSL system logical to refer to the & > OpenSSL include files under HT_ROOT. > $ >     $ DEFINE /SYSTEM /NOLOG SSLLIB0 > "HT_ROOT:[SRC.OPENSSL-0_9_6E.INCLUDE.OPENSSL]" > 4 > Anyway, here is what the SSLLIB error looked like. > : > $ @PYTHON_INSTALL DISK$NET:[PYLIB] DISK$NET:[PYTHON] 7.0 > .  > .  > . ' > Building gdchart module (YES/NO) [Y]?  > register gdchartN > %COPY-W-INCOMPAT, PYTHON_ROOT:[VMS]CONFIG_OPTIONAL_MODULES.TXT;7 (input) and > PYT B > HON_ROOT:[VMS]CONFIG.DAT;2 (output) have incompatible attributes > Library already register > Library already register > Library already register > Library already register > Library already register > Library already register > Library already register > Library already registerA > %LINK-F-OPENIN, error opening SSLLIB:[LIBZ]LIBSSL.OLB; as input M > -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation  > $ SHO LOG SSL* >  > (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  >  > (LNM$JOB_80D19400) >  > (LNM$GROUP_000001) >  > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >  > (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)6 > %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name SSL* > $    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 04:13:56 GMT " From: Alder <ue191@victoria.tc.ca>3 Subject: Re: Build trouble: Python 2.1.3 on VMS 7.2 - Message-ID: <3DB4D075.7030208@victoria.tc.ca>    Jean-Franois PIRONNE wrote:  > 5 > You will probably need also the logical SSLINCLUDE.  >   & Indeed.  Thanks for pointing that out.  G My latest build seems to have completed without any serious complaints  G from the compiler, though there are a few hiccups which I hope you can  G shed some light on, mostly connected with the mxDateTime module.  I've  1 included the last part of the build output below.   E I'd also appreciate any advice you'd have regarding runtime logicals  A that need to be set.  When I first ran PYTHON it complained that  E $PYTHONHOME was missing, so I set the PYTHONHOME logical to the same  I value as my second parameter of the PYTHON_INSTALL command.  That seemed  I to clear that up, but a second message about 'missing site' remains.  It  E seems to be trying to run a default .py file or something.  Did I do   something wrong (again :-)) ?      $ python* 'import site' failed; use -v for tracebackF Python 2.1.3 (V001, Mon Oct 21 11:21:53 2002) [DECC] on OpenVMS Alpha 	 (G_float) > Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.  >>>     Thanks, Jean-Francois    Alder       & Here's the output from PYTHON_INSTALL:  8 $ @PYTHON_INSTALL DISK$NET:[PYLIB] DISK$NET:[PYTHON] 7.0 ... " Building zlib module (YES/NO) [Y]?
 register zlib   ( Building mxDateTime module (YES/NO) [Y]?  " PyMethodDef mxDateTime_Methods[] =
 ............^ H %CC-W-MIXLINKAGE, In this declaration, "mxDateTime_Methods" is declared  with botF h internal and external linkage.  The previous declaration is at line 
 number 163
   in file G PYTHON_ROOT:[LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME.MXDATETIME]MXDATETI  ME.C;1.  at line number 2295 in file 4 PYTHON_ROOT:[LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME. MXDATETIME]MXDATETIME.C;1     PyTypeObject mxDateTime_Type = { .............^E %CC-W-MIXLINKAGE, In this declaration, "mxDateTime_Type" is declared   with both iOC nternal and external linkage.  The previous declaration is at line  
 number 162 ins   file qJ PYTHON_ROOT:[LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME.MXDATETIME]MXDATETIME. C;1. at line number 2991 in file 4 PYTHON_ROOT:[LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME. MXDATETIME]MXDATETIME.C;1a  / PyObject *mxDateTimeDelta_FromDaysEx(long days,t
 .........^G %CC-W-MIXLINKAGE, In this declaration, "mxDateTimeDelta_FromDaysEx" is u declaredI with both internal and external linkage.  The previous declaration is at   line nuu mber 169 in file n? PYTHON_ROOT:[LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME.MXDATETIME]i MXDATETIME.C;1.u at line number 3185 in file 4 PYTHON_ROOT:[LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME. MXDATETIME]MXDATETIME.C;1   5 PyObject *mxDateTimeDelta_FromSeconds(double seconds)R
 .........^H %CC-W-MIXLINKAGE, In this declaration, "mxDateTimeDelta_FromSeconds" is  declaredH   with both internal and external linkage.  The previous declaration is 	 at line ni umber 173 in file > PYTHON_ROOT:[LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME.MXDATETIME ]MXDATETIME.C;1- .y at line number 3204 in file 4 PYTHON_ROOT:[LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME. MXDATETIME]MXDATETIME.C;1S  % PyTypeObject mxDateTimeDelta_Type = {  .............^A %CC-W-MIXLINKAGE, In this declaration, "mxDateTimeDelta_Type" is e declared with biH oth internal and external linkage.  The previous declaration is at line  number 1 65 in file eE PYTHON_ROOT:[LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME.MXDATETIME]MXDATEs	 TIME.C;1.t at line number 3932 in file 4 PYTHON_ROOT:[LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME. MXDATETIME]MXDATETIME.C;1   ' PyMethodDef mxDateTimeDelta_Methods[] =a
 ............^nD %CC-W-MIXLINKAGE, In this declaration, "mxDateTimeDelta_Methods" is  declared witF h both internal and external linkage.  The previous declaration is at 
 line numbe r 166 in file B PYTHON_ROOT:[LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME.MXDATETIME]MXD ATETIME.C;1. at line number 3961 in file 4 PYTHON_ROOT:[LOCAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME. MXDATETIME]MXDATETIME.C;1pA %LIBRAR-W-COMCOD, compilation warnings in module MXDATETIME file d PYTHON_ROOT:[LO @ CAL.EGENIX-MX-BASE-2_0_3.MX.DATETIME.MXDATETIME]MXDATETIME.OBJ;4 register mxDateTimet  ! Building RDB module (YES/NO) [Y]?b
 register _rdbrA Enter MULTIVERSION version number (n.n) or S (for STANDARD) : 7.0yG Current PROCESS Oracle Rdb environment is version V7.0-6 (MULTIVERSION) F Current SYSTEM Oracle Rdb environment is version V7.0-6 (MULTIVERSION)@ Current PROCESS SQL environment is version V7.0-6 (MULTIVERSION)I Current PROCESS Rdb/Dispatch environment is version V7.0-6 (MULTIVERSION)s? Current SYSTEM SQL environment is version V7.0-6 (MULTIVERSION)MH Current SYSTEM Rdb/Dispatch environment is version V7.0-6 (MULTIVERSION) Library already register  " Building WASD module (YES/NO) [Y]? register _wasd  < Building Python Library Imaging Library module (YES/NO) [Y]? register _imaging-  % Building gdchart module (YES/NO) [Y]?  register gdchartI %COPY-W-INCOMPAT, PYTHON_ROOT:[VMS]CONFIG_OPTIONAL_MODULES.TXT;7 (input) e and PYTw@ HON_ROOT:[VMS]CONFIG.DAT;3 (output) have incompatible attributes Library already register Library already register Library already register Library already register Library already register Library already register Library already register Library already register$ %LINK-W-WRNERS, compilation warnings#          in module MXDATETIME file  , PYTHON_ROOT:[VMS.O_ALPHA]LOCAL_MODULES.OLB;14 %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$PUTCHAR multiply definedB          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:01:59 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)J Subject: Re: Current storage interconnect options, and new gigabit option?J Message-ID: <rdeininger-2110022101590001@1cust92.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  = In article <cc5619f2.0210210711.58b2249b@posting.google.com>,.' jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) wrote:c  B >One of our customers is looking at upgrading his current two-nodeD >Alphacluster (Alphaserver 1000a 5/400s) using dual KZPSA FWD bussesB >with a BA350 series tower on each bus, memory channel, and volume >shadowing.e   ...   C >Also based on some posts apparently coming out of the recent Decuss< >(yeah, whatever they call it) event, the new 'fast' clusterF >interconnect is supposed to be a new gigabit ethernet card coming outC >soon, as opposed to memory channel.  Even assuming that the memory B >channel hardware he has could be moved (we're checking, but it isG >first generation MC so I doubt it) we'd prefer to go with new hardware B >(again, maintenance and presumed reliability).  Is there any info' >available online for the new card yet?i  G The DS10 supports the CCMAB-AA Memory channel adapter, according to theiG Quickspecs.  Don't forget the Memory Channel bug fix if you use it with 
 VMS 7.3-1.  D I don't think anything is publicly available yet for the new GigabitE ethernet.  I think it will hit the streets in January or so.  It is aXJ PCI-adapter version of the built-in Gigabit in the DS25.  From what I have& heard, it deserves the name "Gigabit".   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:34:47 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.netsJ Subject: Re: Current storage interconnect options, and new gigabit option?7 Message-ID: <bP2t9.22329$Pk1.9190@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>   3 Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote:lF : I don't think anything is publicly available yet for the new GigabitG : ethernet.  I think it will hit the streets in January or so.  It is aeL : PCI-adapter version of the built-in Gigabit in the DS25.  From what I have( : heard, it deserves the name "Gigabit".  , Is this a rebranded card, or HP-proprietary? -- l Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.netf= Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/k   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:12:00 GMTo4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>9 Subject: Re: Deleting expired licenses - irrelevant asideo2 Message-ID: <4kYs9.46$TV7.919584@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "Tom Cole" <tom.cole@sas.com> wrote in message) news:amsgej$2bj$1@license1.unx.sas.com...MC > Idle aside, I misread the example below 'cuz I was in a hurry and  tried it> > on my V7.2-2 system as shown below with the resulting error: >% >    AXP> LICE LIST /DATEo& >     %LIB-F-BADBLOSIZ, bad block size >eC > Anyone know what the /DATE qualifier does?  It's not in my onlineo help;TD > perhaps it's just a deprecated (and now apparantly non-functional)! > qualifier, but I was curious...p >e- > I suppose at best this is a minor bug... :)   F Yes a minor bug that is easily fixed.  It needs to have the default of> today used.  It is checked in to be fixed in a future release.  G /date is the same as /release_date.  /release_date was implemented as alG replacement for /date to reduce the confusion from other arguments that  deal with dates.   mark   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 16:15:10 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)N Subject: Re: GNV: BASH questions and source code location ?, Was: Re: $ RECALL3 Message-ID: <fWt2uRSqougA@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  w In article <01KNXIRT6NZK9QWKOO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: J >> > IIRC, the NEWSRDR programme can do this.  It has a SPAWN command, so 3 >> > just fire it up and use that as your CLI.  :-)e >>  L >> I tried this with the Eisner version. The spawn command just drops to DCLG >> so that (for example) pressing left arrow at the start of the second05 >> line will not backup to the end of the first line.c > ' > Without an argument, yes.  What aboutQ > E >    NEWSRDR> SPAWN <long command which wraps at the end of the line i. >             inserted here for test purposes> > I > This should do the command and bring you back to the NEWSRDR> prompt.  nH > What happens with UP-ARROW, LEFT-ARROW (hold until beginning of line)  > now? >   J Trying it with NEWSRDR V4.9-2 gives the same result. You can backup to theK start of the second line with left-arrow, but the cursor will not backup to  the end of the first line.   Simon.   -- hB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       4 "We are the VMS Collective. Viruses are irrelevant."   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:34:35 GMT75 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>:" Subject: Re: graphics card problem2 Message-ID: <LUWs9.36$dG7.424081@news.cpqcorp.net>   The V2 chip will not work.    6 nospam ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) wrote in message( <3db1942c.7390140@news.cable.ntl.com>... >0 >8 >E	 >Hi dave,f >DE >It's an S3 trio it also says S3 Trio644 V2/DX on the chip. It's made. >by a firm called Sparkle? > F >I've also now got a Diamond fire GL 1000 pro Permedia 2 but somehow I" >need to ftp the drivers for this. >nF >My plan is to get the S3 working get Dec Windows up and then copy the$ >drivers for the Permedia card over. > & >Thanlks for any help you can give me! >  >cheers, >  >s >Peter Watkinson >o >? >s >s >e >a >Is it a TRIO or a Virge ??? >D >i >--  >David B Turnert
 >Sales Dpt  >Island Computers US Corporation >2700 Gregory Street
 >Suite 180 >Savannah GA 31404 >Tel: 912 447 6622 >Fax: 912 201 0096 >sales@islandco.como >www.islandco.come( >http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htm >n >We sell Alpha Systems !+ >All emails are checked for Virus and Worms E >"peter.watkinson1@ ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)" <nospam> wrote inc >message- >news:3da563bb.10446343@news.cable.ntl.com...34 >> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:00:39 -0400, "David Turner"! >> <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote:n >>& >> >go to www.islandco.com/support.htm >> > >> > >> >> >> Hi, >>H >> I've got a S3 VGA card plus Hobbyist Open VMS 7.2 and I'm also getingI >> a no video device error. Is there an S3 kit on the CD that needs to bee >> installed also? >>
 >> cheers, >> >> >> Peter Watkinson( >> peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com >> remove <nospam> to reply :-)o >> >f >t >s > " >On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:25:46 GMT,? >peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) wrote:  > 3 >>On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:00:39 -0400, "David Turner"   >><dbturner@islandco.com> wrote: >>% >>>go to www.islandco.com/support.htm  >>>e >>>t >> >> >>Hi,e >>G >>I've got a S3 VGA card plus Hobbyist Open VMS 7.2 and I'm also getingrH >>a no video device error. Is there an S3 kit on the CD that needs to be >>installed also?  >>	 >>cheers," >> >> >>Peter Watkinson-' >>peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com  >>remove <nospam> to reply :-) >e >Peter Watkinson& >peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com >remove <nospam> to reply :-)n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:11:03 GMT-4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com> Subject: Re: Hobbyist Licensei2 Message-ID: <bjYs9.43$GJ7.515239@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:0eopgXgDCkth@eisner.encompasserve.org....C > In article <20020930113511.11891.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypher + <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:e >wG > > The extra ones I use are Multinet and PerfectDisk. IIRC PerfectDiskr doesn't  > > use standard VMS licensing.t > >>F > > However, I do think the generic hobbyist license is a good idea asG > > companies which use it no longer need to muck about issuing keys toh > > Hobbyists. >aE > Some vendors may feel they need to know who is using their Hobbyist  license.< > Others are more interested in reducing their own effort to participate.. > Some probably don't understand the question.   What is "THE" question?  :-)   mark   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:52:32 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>d9 Subject: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?sG Message-ID: <kOZs9.34503$Q3S.8695@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>o  0 Municipal Credit Union Gets Looted $20 At A Time By Ivan Schneider, BankTechn Oct 4, 2002 (8:55 AM)t  L After the September 11 terrorist attacks turned the Cortlandt Street officesE of New York City's Municipal Credit Union into a disaster zone**, ATM-B network queries to the credit union's data center went unanswered.C Nevertheless, MCU's management decided to let NYCE, its ATM networkFK processor, authorize offline transactions. Until the credit union went backhE online in early November, NYCE was unable to retrieve current account K balances. During that time, approximately 4,000 members of the credit union1C overdrew their accounts by a reported $15 million dollars in total.r  K In effect, Automated Teller Machines became Unattended Cash Dispensers. "ItiJ [seemed] like playing a very positive slot machine," said Susan Zawodniak,D vice president and executive director of the NYCE Network. NYCE is aG majority-owned subsidiary of First Data Corp., Greenwood Village, Colo.d  F From the customer's perspective, the ATMs didn't print balances on the8 receipts nor did balance inquiries work, said Zawodniak.  K But for many Municipal Credit Union customers the temptation was apparentlyAJ too great, so they made withdrawals and debit card transactions. Again andL again. Over 100 members of Municipal Credit Union have been arrested and are2 awaiting trial on felony charges of grand larceny.  J "It's a prime example of how no good deed goes unpunished," said ManhattanE District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. MCU's counsel did not respond too% requests for an interview............C    L ** HP should have an army of salescritters going door-to-door across the USA selling OpenVMS clusters   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:55:56 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>d= Subject: Re: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?d, Message-ID: <3DB477E0.8F6586CE@videotron.ca>   John Smith wrote:rE > Nevertheless, MCU's management decided to let NYCE, its ATM networkIM > processor, authorize offline transactions. Until the credit union went back  > online in early November,T  
 OUCH !!!!!  L But you know, if in the end, the bank only lost $15 million, then perhaps itL was still a cheaper solution than building some fancy redundant data centresA with disaster recovery schemes and maintain them year after year.e  L Note that for ATMs, VMS was probably never really a solution (it should haveM been). But Tandem definitely was a solution. But again, usually for "offline" L transactions. (Tandem handles the transaction, but the account balance comesL from IBM mainframe, so when mainframe is offline, the Tandem just checks theL card against the stolen card and gives you a daily maximum, and when the IBML comes back on-line, the tandem then sends the transactions in a queue to the IBM to be officially processed.D  D I'd hate to see how NYCE handled its "queue" for that credit union'sI transactiosn for months. Those are usually designed to handle a few hours  worth's of transactions.  N > ** HP should have an army of salescritters going door-to-door across the USA > selling OpenVMS clusters  G Since there is no banking software available on VMS, it would be ratherhL pointless to sell VMS hardware to banks to run their core business.  That isL one market where IBM has monopoly. And one doesn't need fancy clusters. WithN good system management, that credit union could have been up and running  in a; day or two from a backup site with the last day's balances.   M And with a prepared disaster plan, even if it doesn't involve fancy clusters,,J a few of the bank staff would have had sufficient firemen training to haveN been allowed back into the offices to recuperate recent data and bring that to the backup site.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 01:21:16 -0000O! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>O= Subject: Re: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters? / Message-ID: <ur9a0cqrlcnvc9@corp.supernews.com>L  2 : HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?  E IME, most companies that are moving from VMS are doing so because of:K  ' 1 Fear of lack of future support of VMS ; 2 Fear of lack of future support for Third Party s/w on VMSt	  and / or ! 3 Licensing and maintenance costs   ? One of my last employers went from VMS to Tru64 and then to AIXpB primarily because their 3P database vendor had announced a plan to phase out VMS support.  F This was a transaction procesing company and they got the same degree D of reliability and redundancy with multiplexed AIX boxes as they hadD with VMS.  Plus their 3P database vendor has committed to long term  AIX support.  D If you know what you're doing, you can get by with Unix and not haveF to worry every year if that's the year the axe falls on future support for VMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:42:36 GMTc# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>/= Subject: Re: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?lI Message-ID: <wW2t9.39906$mxk1.15711@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>A  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3DB477E0.8F6586CE@videotron.ca...  L > > ** HP should have an army of salescritters going door-to-door across the USAR > > selling OpenVMS clusters >mI > Since there is no banking software available on VMS, it would be rathervK > pointless to sell VMS hardware to banks to run their core business.  Thatu isI > one market where IBM has monopoly. And one doesn't need fancy clusters.  WithJ > good system management, that credit union could have been up and running in a= > day or two from a backup site with the last day's balances.,  H Sanchez is one vendor that has good banking systems that run onVMS. Been that way for years.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:44:00 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>T= Subject: Re: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?AH Message-ID: <QX2t9.35858$%h2.34930@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  - "Z" <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in messageq) news:ur9a0cqrlcnvc9@corp.supernews.com...I4 > : HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters? >IG > IME, most companies that are moving from VMS are doing so because of:  >t) > 1 Fear of lack of future support of VMSt= > 2 Fear of lack of future support for Third Party s/w on VMS  >  and / orb# > 3 Licensing and maintenance costsp > A > One of my last employers went from VMS to Tru64 and then to AIXeD > primarily because their 3P database vendor had announced a plan to > phase out VMS support. > G > This was a transaction procesing company and they got the same degreeeF > of reliability and redundancy with multiplexed AIX boxes as they hadE > with VMS.  Plus their 3P database vendor has committed to long terme > AIX support. >bF > If you know what you're doing, you can get by with Unix and not haveH > to worry every year if that's the year the axe falls on future support
 > for VMS.    I  And that my friends is the fat lady singing. Unless HP decides that theyK0 want this play to have an extra act beyond that.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:12:22 -0400B- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>W= Subject: Re: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?B, Message-ID: <3DB4C212.10357083@videotron.ca>   John Smith wrote:eJ > Sanchez is one vendor that has good banking systems that run onVMS. Been > that way for years.B  N Unfortunatly, their web site is one that requires one to "view source" to findI out where the non-functional fancy menus are supposed to lead to ,and theFL manuelly enter the URLs. And some of the PDF documents are either not found,L or require registration. Ironic that a company would require registration toC download a PDF that was advertising. Oh well, it is their business.W  N I did enter a search for VMS on their front page and that yielded 3 documents.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:58:52 -0700%$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>@ Subject: RE: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!0 Message-ID: <01C278F0.E3594DC0@sulfer.icius.com>  B I believe there's more directed at him than coming from him... ;-)   ShaneW   -----Original Message------ From: jlsue [mailto:jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com] & Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 9:11 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!    = He's just pathological.  There's no reasoning, only laughter.W  E On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:09:31 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyp. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:   >e >e >Shane Smith wrote: I >> Agreed. Still, I have to admit the thought of Andy reading through allL; >> the "Andy is a moron" votes is strangely pleasing... ;-)  >> p > - >Sorry to dissapoint you but Freddys immaturet/ >poll caused me to laugh when I saw it and I am0! >still laughing at the responses.a >a. >It confirms that when stuck for response Fred+ >will alway resort to abuse or in this caseY >abuse and incitement to abuse.y >u+ >Or didn't you notice Freds total lack of a*, >response apart from the "poll", sad really. >10 >Doesn't say very much for the people who jumped >at the chance either. >  >Sad again.  >o >Regards >Andrew Harrison   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:33:56 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>D@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!2 Message-ID: <8UWs9.35$XQ7.712838@news.cpqcorp.net>  2 Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message% <3DB3E06B.6060600@nospamn.sun.com>...t >: >  >Shane Smith wrote: I >> Agreed. Still, I have to admit the thought of Andy reading through allU; >> the "Andy is a moron" votes is strangely pleasing... ;-)- >> >-- >Sorry to dissapoint you but Freddys immature / >poll caused me to laugh when I saw it and I am ! >still laughing at the responses.- >-  L Really?  On reflection you might ask why there was nearly no support for youL at all.  Most people thought is was silly, but then gave you a finger in the eye.  . >It confirms that when stuck for response Fred+ >will alway resort to abuse or in this case  >abuse and incitement to abuse.e >I  J No, really?  Here is some more.  A conversation with you is like trying to kill a cockroach.0  + >Or didn't you notice Freds total lack of a0, >response apart from the "poll", sad really. >   H Oh, I've responded so much to your crap, only to have you ignore things,K change the subject, or make things up.  The best way to end them is to just0C stop responding to you.  Since you seemed to want to set it up as a0+ challenge, I was more than happy to oblige.   0 >Doesn't say very much for the people who jumped >at the chance either. >e >Sad again.  >   B If you don't like the company (and they don't like you it's pretty obvious) - LEAVE.S   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:17:27 -0400'( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!, Message-ID: <3DB46EE7.3040206@tsoft-inc.com>   Jerry Leslie wrote:/    I >    "A lot of people don't want to admit that the technology industry is B >    maturing," said Ann Livermore, an executive vice president ofG >    Hewlett-Packard who leads the company's services division. "It's af3 >    maturing industry with a slowing growth rate."e    ! Well, that is just pure bullshit!E  O The reality is that as a particular technology matures, things associated with  K that particular technology will also mature into a maintenance rather than nO growth mode, but technology in general is constantly moving on.  So, maybe PCs -Q and the internet may be seeing such a slowdown, but there is plenty of 'bleeding r' edge' stuff being developed constantly.S  N As Sachel Page was reputed to have once said, "don't look behind you, someone M might be gaining on you".  The real issue is whether real tech progress will sP continue to happen in the US, or have we given up on that?  If so, then plan on 5 learning the phrase "How would you like that burger?"P  I The US economy rode the Apollo program for many years.  If we don't quit IP thinking about entitlements, and start thinking about moving ahead, pretty soon $ we'll be watching those ahead of us.     Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 22:03:11 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie),@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!< Message-ID: <zQ_s9.188988$121.5236430@twister.austin.rr.com>  ) David Froble (davef@tsoft-inc.com) wrote:u : H : As Sachel Page was reputed to have once said, "don't look behind you, I : someone might be gaining on you".  The real issue is whether real tech oL : progress will continue to happen in the US, or have we given up on that?  K : If so, then plan on learning the phrase "How would you like that burger?"R : K : The US economy rode the Apollo program for many years.  If we don't quit  M : thinking about entitlements, and start thinking about moving ahead, pretty e+ : soon we'll be watching those ahead of us.l :    It may be too late...   =    http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4332783.htmvB    Mercury News | 10/21/2002 | Slowdown sending tech jobs overseas      By Jennifer Bjorhus    Mercury Newse    VE   "The U.S. economy might be stalling, but at least one niche is hot:t%    shipping technology jobs offshore.m    .H    The economic slowdown is speeding up the export of jobs, experts say.I    As executives face smaller budgets and more pressure for profits, theylG    find it much cheaper to send work to contractors overseas. More U.S. H    companies are following Silicon Valley's lead by shifting engineeringF    and other technology-related jobs to places such as China, Ireland,*    India and the Philippines to cut costs.    oH    The drift of jobs is worrying engineering groups, renewing fears thatC    white-collar tech jobs in the United States are going the way of G    blue-collar manufacturing jobs: over the border and across the seas.a    dF    A major engineering group has asked Congress to investigate whetherE    the offshore trend, combined with U.S. companies importing foreignnD    engineers on H-1B visas, is partly to blame for high unemployment    among U.S. engineers.    v@    About 200 of the Fortune 500 companies now ship software workH    overseas, according to Stephanie Moore, an outsourcing expert at GigaC    Information Group in Cambridge, Mass. Fortune 1000 companies are G    quickly following. Moore estimates that global revenue from offshoreoE    software work will hit $7.68 billion this year, up 20 percent from I    2001. Forrester Research estimates that corporate budgets for offshore ?    software outsourcing will probably more than double by 2004.     tF    Valley technology companies pioneered the concept of going offshoreF    for tech talent more than a decade ago, along with General ElectricE    and Microsoft. But now the practice is becoming common outside theL    technology industry.     _E    The list of companies contracting for offshore tech services readslH    like a corporate ``Who's Who'' list: Target, Visa International, Gap,H    Boeing, Citigroup, Nordstrom, Bank of America and, of course, Oracle,0    Cisco Systems, Hewlett-Packard and Microsoft.    -E    San Francisco brokerage Charles Schwab last year moved part of its G    information technology division to a contractor in Bangalore, India,OG    where about 150 people do programming for Schwab's internal computer)D    networks and Web site. The move followed a 25 percent companywideC    layoff. Schwab spokesman Greg Gable said the layoffs included an-A    unspecified number of contract engineers in its tech division.a    rI    Franklin Templeton Investments in San Mateo, too, has shifted about 20.H    percent of its tech work to service providers in India and elsewhere.     F    Even the state of California has contracts worth $76.6 million withC    five tech services firms that outsource some tech work overseas,kG    according to records maintained by the state's Department of General,H    Services. A department spokesman said he didn't know whether the workE    on those contracts was being done overseas. The state has no rulesS    about it, he said.     HF    Some experts say the growth in offshore tech services is less aboutI    increased U.S. demand than about aggressive marketing by Indian firms.r?    Some of the biggest are Infosys, Wipro Technologies and Tatae,    Consultancy Services, all based in India.    tI    U.S. tech services companies are also in on the game. Tech consultants A    such as IBM Global Services; Accenture, a Bermuda-based Arthur D    Andersen spinoff; Electronic Data Systems; Computer Sciences; andG    PricewaterhouseCoopers are all racing to set up overseas operations. F    Many go to India. Other hot spots include Ireland, the Philippines,    Eastern Europe and China.    mH    Although most of the overseas software work remains basic maintenanceI    and applications development, vendors are moving up the value chain to G    software architecture, strategy and systems design. The PhiladelphiagF    Stock Exchange recently hired Cognizant Technology Solutions, whichH    has a New Jersey headquarters and 10 development centers in India, toG    build new software architecture for its computer networks to run theM    exchange in real time.[    PH    Back-office work is moving overseas even faster, experts say. India'sF    leading software association expects the country's sizable share ofB    back-office work, such as handling customer service e-mails and?    payroll processing, to surge more than 60 percent this year.P    LG    Shifting work to low-cost areas is a way to rein in costs in a tough @    market, executives say. Tech executives surveyed last fall byH    Forrester reported saving 25 percent on projects by going overseas. AD    software engineer fresh from college in India might earn $5,000 a8    year, compared to about $50,000 in the United States.    rB    Not everyone agrees on how big a threat the drift poses to U.S.
    engineers.o    pG    Norman Matloff, a professor of computer science at the University ofSI    California-Davis, argues that the actual number of software jobs beingSE    shipped overseas is a fraction of the country's total. And it williG    remain small, he argues, because nothing beats face time at the soda 0    machine for finishing engineering jobs right.    oF    Still, the increase in overseas outsourcing is making hard-hit tech    workers anxious.0    tH    The jobless rate for all engineering doubled in the second quarter ofF    this year, from 2 percent to 4 percent, and increased even more forB    computer scientists and electronics engineers, according to theH    IEEE-USA, the U.S. arm of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics
    Engineers.     s@    Some unemployed engineers express a deep sense of outrage andH    betrayal. Echoing critics of globalization, they argue that companiesI    are selling out technology jobs that were supposed to be the future of     the U.S. workforce.    mF    Labor experts say no one knows how many engineering jobs the UnitedH    States has lost because of the recent uptick in offshore outsourcing.A    The bigger issue, some say, is the U.S. tech jobs that fail tos.    materialize because of the overseas hiring.     I    ``It's worrisome,'' said Terry Oldberg, a Los Altos Hills engineer and F    organizer for the Programmers Guild. ``We're not organized to fight	    it.''"c    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:26:52 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>T@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!, Message-ID: <3DB47F1E.634AB254@videotron.ca>  K > >    "A lot of people don't want to admit that the technology industry is-D > >    maturing," said Ann Livermore, an executive vice president ofI > >    Hewlett-Packard who leads the company's services division. "It's al5 > >    maturing industry with a slowing growth rate."-  L That is what you get when you have a monopoly platform. Innovation goes downN the drain because if you come up with a brand new product, the minute it showsJ signs of success, Microsoft either buys it or develops an inferior version that is marketed to death.  N Even VMS is sort of restricted in its innovation due to its need to first work3 to be "compatible" with inferior operating systems.e  E Look at the PDA market. Palm had the "cheap" PDA, while PSION had theTK sophisticated PDAs and HP had the DOS-PDAs.  Then Microsoft decides it must_I take that market and introduced Windows-CE. After just a few years, PSIONrI pulls out of the market alltogether, unable to compete against MS, and HPxN adopts Windows-CE, and later dumps its own products to focus on the iPAQ which, is essentially a Microsoft designed product.  L Now, the Win-CE (pocket pc) design has become "standard" with palm's simpler@ design also in teh running.  Innovation has gone down the drain.    H The only hope for innovation is now with Linux where geeks could produceM something interesting and once in Linux, the proprietary UNix systems (HP IBMEL and SUN) will also integrate it into their systems. But the proprietary UnixL systems  are somewhat restricted now with their innovation because they mustM retain compatibility with other Unix systems otherwise software packages suchE: as SAP, Oracle etc wouldn't run anymore on their platform.  K Mobile phone have evolved tremendously, but they will soon hit a brick wallyJ since many of them are now adopting "industry standard" OS such as Palm orK Win-CE for the user interface aspect of the phone. (Although PSION's legacya/ now maintanned by Symbian still has some hope).   L Carly and Curly's "industry standard" are the very things that will kill offG HP. Once you commoditize something, then all that is left is productionNK technique and production costs. Consider what will happen to the desktop PC I when Sony starts to sell PCs big time. I am not sure Dell will be able to M compete against PCs made in asia and shipped through Sony's existing consumeraL goods worldwide distribution network and sold are appliance/electrics stores along with TVs.O  N Jobs and wealth are created where new products/ideas are being developped. AndG then they slowly drift to low wage countries as the product matures and  becomes more commodity.p   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 19:32:52 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young).@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!3 Message-ID: <DRLRTO9V8QFb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <zQ_s9.188988$121.5236430@twister.austin.rr.com>, LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) writes:+ > David Froble (davef@tsoft-inc.com) wrote:  > : J > : As Sachel Page was reputed to have once said, "don't look behind you, K > : someone might be gaining on you".  The real issue is whether real tech sN > : progress will continue to happen in the US, or have we given up on that?  M > : If so, then plan on learning the phrase "How would you like that burger?"E > : M > : The US economy rode the Apollo program for many years.  If we don't quit dO > : thinking about entitlements, and start thinking about moving ahead, pretty n- > : soon we'll be watching those ahead of us.e > :  >  > It may be too late...Y > ? >    http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4332783.htm_D >    Mercury News | 10/21/2002 | Slowdown sending tech jobs overseas >  >    By Jennifer Bjorhus >    Mercury Newsr >    dG >   "The U.S. economy might be stalling, but at least one niche is hot:l' >    shipping technology jobs offshore.  >       A 	There was a good Wall Street Journal article the other day.  It o? 	pointed out the drivers in tech that showed up just in time.  BD 	Interesting to read how in 1977-1979 just how stagnated "computers"A 	were and it took portables and IBM manufacturing a PC in 1981 to-A 	drive that upturn.  Others of note of course were University of mG 	Illinois dudes writing a program called Mosaic to make Internet accessa
 	smoother.  > 	I remember distinctly reading how Japan was going to dominateB 	all areas of tech.  From genetic research, to integrated circuits@ 	, etc.  Their economy has been moribound for a long time (10-15	 	years?).)  > 	Where is the next uptick?  I don't know.  But I am willing to. 	bet it comes from the U.S.  Innovators 'R US.     				Robd  B Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wonder G Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstream)> The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder  -                                 -- Neil Young    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 01:26:44 -0000r! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>k@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!/ Message-ID: <ur9aakb93gvcdd@corp.supernews.com>p  M : : The US economy rode the Apollo program for many years.  If we don't quit iO : : thinking about entitlements, and start thinking about moving ahead, pretty c- : : soon we'll be watching those ahead of us.x  F If we quit thinking about current entitlement programs and how they'reB going to bust the economy wide open in 30 years, we're all doomed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:15:40 +0200a1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>v Subject: HP webpage sizing5 Message-ID: <3DB4444C.D2867D00@swissonline.delete.ch>0  H I've been looking at some HP webpages about e-business lately and I have@ found that a lot of them are a fixed width and that the width is+ suitable only for US "Letter" paper sizes. i  C Too bad if for some reason you want to run with a slightly narrower G browser window, it will disappear off the right edge of the window.  IfhE I run with a slightly less than full screen window on my notebook PC,e the text also disappears.2  H Too bad if you are in Europe - or many other countries - and you want toG print the webpage on A4 paper, the text will be truncated and you mighte/ lose words completely.  For example, on webpagewK http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/bridgeworks/bridgeworks_index.html1B I find that just below the image I lose text when I print it on A4G paper.  Even the OpenVMS homepage has this problem because when I print4A the page instead of "United States" in the top line, all I see ism "Unite".  D I could reduce the size of the print but it is quite small now and I5 have never had similar problems with other web pages.e  $ Does anyone else have this problem ?     John McLeant  G PS. I mentioned this in another thread but I think it is worth a threadc of its own.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:42:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a Subject: Re: HP webpage sizing, Message-ID: <3DB44AB0.DA1971FA@videotron.ca>   John McLean wrote: > J > I've been looking at some HP webpages about e-business lately and I haveB > found that a lot of them are a fixed width and that the width is, > suitable only for US "Letter" paper sizes.  L But at least they doesn't purposefully remove the scroll bars, as many sites/ are so intent on doing for some strange reason.   I When I get to a page that I really need to read, I either view source, orlN bring in into composer, and remove the offending sizing commands in the tablesH (or frames) and/or remove the offending image that is inside a table and* forces the table to be bigger than needed.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 15:21:34 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: HP webpage sizing3 Message-ID: <a7YQieoW2AwH@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  i In article <3DB4444C.D2867D00@swissonline.delete.ch>, John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> writes:d  J > Too bad if you are in Europe - or many other countries - and you want to  > print the webpage on A4 paper,  C    You guys just don't know how to kill trees, er, um, save skiers.W   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Oct 2002 01:19:34 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line- Message-ID: <87vg3v676h.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   + p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:u  # > asks me for a "security question"   i > Choice of 3:  V > In what city were you born?u# > What is you father's middle name?n  
 Which one?" And any way, the next answers are  Did not have one.f
 I don't know..   -- o< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 19:17:06 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)n2 Subject: Re: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line3 Message-ID: <K0UquMLBTI0b@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  \ In article <87vg3v676h.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:- > p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:2 > $ >> asks me for a "security question" >  i >> Choice of 3:i >  g >> In what city were you born?$ >> What is you father's middle name? >  > Which one?$ > And any way, the next answers are  > Did not have one.r > I don't know.r >    	Okay..    	How about:    	"What's your favorite color?"  0 	Blue, no red, no... blue ... aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh     				RobC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:29:11 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>l2 Subject: Re: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line/ Message-ID: <ur9af843vumh6b@news.supernews.com>!  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:K0UquMLBTI0b@eisner.encompasserve.org...>> > In article <87vg3v676h.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes::/ > > p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:o > >o& > >> asks me for a "security question" > >h > >> Choice of 3:  > >>  > >> In what city were you born?& > >> What is you father's middle name? > >i > > Which one?% > > And any way, the next answers areh > > Did not have one.  > > I don't know.  > >> >e > Okay.. >  > How about: >n > "What's your favorite color?"w >d1 > Blue, no red, no... blue ... aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh  >  >   K I had to register at a web site that let you pick your security question soeL I chose "Do you remember what your security questions is?" and my answer was "No, I don't.".a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:56:02 +0200>1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>b) Subject: Re: java on VMS - help requested 5 Message-ID: <3DB43FB2.E5C30DE1@swissonline.delete.ch>t   "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:l >  ... C > I only know a little about servlets, so I could be wrong here,...l  E I'm in the same boat and from the few replies that I have received onwD this subject it looks like java knowledge is in short supply when it comes to using it on VMS.   G I've looked at the webpages that HP have inherited from Compaq and they.F are confusing.  There's just no comprehensive statement about what canH be done and how.  I saw Arne's comments about how useful Bridgeworks can4 be but how little information is available about it.  H If HP is serious about java on VMS then perhaps they should write a book@ or at least some decent documentation about the whole e-business$ subject.  How about it you HP guys ?     John McLeanc   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 15:12:03 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o) Subject: Re: java on VMS - help requestedo3 Message-ID: <+43aJcScsYTd@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  i In article <3DB43FB2.E5C30DE1@swissonline.delete.ch>, John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> writes:nJ > If HP is serious about java on VMS then perhaps they should write a bookB > or at least some decent documentation about the whole e-business& > subject.  How about it you HP guys ?  F    Why?  I just use Sun's Java documentation.  You want an HP label on    the front of that?h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:37:58 -0400b; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> " Subject: Re: Linker tip of the day" Message-ID: <3db465c5@news.si.com>  I >please log a service call with your local support center and ask them tof  escalte the call to engineering.   Done.  Thanks. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comnA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventn< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Oct 2002 19:48:59 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Multia help needede5 Message-ID: <ap1lnb$r0gdv$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   - In article <87znt767rr.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,s/ 	Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:p5 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:C >  >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:r >  FC >> > Well, I'm begging again.  Is there anychance anyone here has asD >> > couple of SIMMs suitable for use in a Multia that they would beE >> > willing to part with??  I have been unable to find any anywhere.oD >> > I would really like to find out if the Multia I have works, but# >> > alas, not without memory.  :-(. >  nG >> Aren't those 72-pin parity SIMMs? They're (almost) a dime a dozen ond	 >> e-Bay!w > > > EDO simms are dirt easy to fine, but you MUST have Fast Page> > for a Multia/Noname, and they are way harder to come across. > Esp in the larger sizes. :(. >   D Are you telling me the SIMMS I just got on Ebay (yes, I actually oneE the auction) are not likely to work in the Multia??  They cost me $25sF and that is the limit I am willing top pay just to find out if the boxE works.  Next stop is likely to be a dumpster.  And then I can go back@> to my VAX and PDP's.  They are a lot easier to deal with.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Oct 2002 01:06:48 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Multia help needed - Message-ID: <87znt767rr.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e   > Bill Gunshannon wrote:  yB > > Well, I'm begging again.  Is there anychance anyone here has aC > > couple of SIMMs suitable for use in a Multia that they would beTD > > willing to part with??  I have been unable to find any anywhere.C > > I would really like to find out if the Multia I have works, but " > > alas, not without memory.  :-(  yF > Aren't those 72-pin parity SIMMs? They're (almost) a dime a dozen on > e-Bay!  < EDO simms are dirt easy to fine, but you MUST have Fast Page< for a Multia/Noname, and they are way harder to come across. Esp in the larger sizes. :(r   -- .< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 16:11:37 -07001 From: matthew.finbow@btinternet.com (Matt Finbow)s Subject: Re: Multia help needed = Message-ID: <ec25d2bf.0210211511.79a7196f@posting.google.com>s  D One other source is Silicon Graphics Indy's / Indigo2 machines, theyC have banks of four 72Mb/parity SIMMS, my mutia is stocked with four A 64Mb SIMMS removed from my Indigo2 (takes multia up to its max ofc 256Mb)  B Only possible is that the SIMMS are 'gold-edged' as opposed to tin plate.     Matt Finbow-  r "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message news:<Jlns9.37962$m92.7238141@news1.news.adelphia.net>...L > IIRC: The MULTIA needs 24M of Memory in order for it to run the self test. > J > Do not consider anything smaller than 16M sims for running OpenVMS, and ) > the larger simms are very hard to find.e > J > I have 64M in my Multia, and it works on 7.2-1, but I do not think that K > it has enough memory or at 166Mhz enough horsepower to run heavy JAVA or   > something like MOZILLA.p > K > The best source I have found for Parity 72 pin SIMMS is old 486 class PC sG > servers.  You might be able to find a server for sale with the right a) > SIMMS for less than the memory it self.  >  > -John  > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion OnlyA   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 01:43:42 GMTt- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>h Subject: Re: Multia help neededi= Message-ID: <i32t9.40352$m92.7748320@news1.news.adelphia.net>e   Bill Gunshannon wrote:/ > In article <87znt767rr.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, 5 > 	Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.company> writes:"  > >>EDO simms are dirt easy to fine, but you MUST have Fast Page> >>for a Multia/Noname, and they are way harder to come across. >>Esp in the larger sizes. :(  >>F > Are you telling me the SIMMS I just got on Ebay (yes, I actually oneG > the auction) are not likely to work in the Multia??  They cost me $25gH > and that is the limit I am willing top pay just to find out if the boxG > works.  Next stop is likely to be a dumpster.  And then I can go back @ > to my VAX and PDP's.  They are a lot easier to deal with.  :-)  H I have heard rumors that the EDO SIMMS were a superset of Fast Page and @ could be used as replacement, but could not find an authorative G manufacturers web page.  Plus I am not sure that the EDO SIMMS support t parity.a  D As some motherboards will accept either type of memory, it probably E would not hurt to try to see if the Multia will recognize the memory.-  L If so, please let us know.  I would not mind putting 64M SIMMS in my Multia.   -John: wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Oct 2002 02:38:48 GMT+ From: "Joe Heimann" <heimann@ecs.umass.edu>e Subject: Re: Multia help neededq, Message-ID: <ap2dno$6dh$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  ) Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote: / > In article <87znt767rr.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,d1 > 	Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:e6 >> "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >> d >>> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>  D >>> > Well, I'm begging again.  Is there anychance anyone here has aE >>> > couple of SIMMs suitable for use in a Multia that they would betF >>> > willing to part with??  I have been unable to find any anywhere.E >>> > I would really like to find out if the Multia I have works, but $ >>> > alas, not without memory.  :-( >>  H >>> Aren't those 72-pin parity SIMMs? They're (almost) a dime a dozen on
 >>> e-Bay! >> t? >> EDO simms are dirt easy to fine, but you MUST have Fast Pagen? >> for a Multia/Noname, and they are way harder to come across.h >> Esp in the larger sizes. :( >> t  F > Are you telling me the SIMMS I just got on Ebay (yes, I actually oneG > the auction) are not likely to work in the Multia??  They cost me $25-H > and that is the limit I am willing top pay just to find out if the boxG > works.  Next stop is likely to be a dumpster.  And then I can go back @ > to my VAX and PDP's.  They are a lot easier to deal with.  :-)   > bill  J How much is too much to pay for your budget?  I buy most of my memory fromJ Data Memory Systems, www.datamem.com, and they list 32 MB parity SIMMs forH $15 each.  The 64 MB ones do get pricey at $89 or $139 depending on how H many chips they are made of.  They are fairly knowledgable on memory forA non-PC or Mac use, so may be able to help find compatible memory.q   Joe Heimanno   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:20:31 -0500 2 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net> Subject: Re: Multia help neededh/ Message-ID: <ur9dfkm89ar5a1@corp.supernews.com>-  I You might check Kahlon (www.kahlon.com) for this memory; I've bought from A them and had no problems with their fast page parity memory in mylJ AlphaStation 4/100, AlphaServer 1000A, and Multia. A 16MB part, KAH4x36-60I currently lists for $9.00 each on their web site. As I remember, you must J install them in pairs. These are NEW parts. These are listed on their pageF of Generic memory; they do not list the Multia or UDB in their list of Compaq or Digital computers.  / Don't give up yet; Alpha's and OpenVMS are FUN!j   Stuart Johnson ssj152 AT charter DOT net     5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in messager/ news:ap1lnb$r0gdv$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...n/ > In article <87znt767rr.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,o0 > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:7 > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:v > >i > >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  > > E > >> > Well, I'm begging again.  Is there anychance anyone here has alF > >> > couple of SIMMs suitable for use in a Multia that they would beG > >> > willing to part with??  I have been unable to find any anywhere. F > >> > I would really like to find out if the Multia I have works, but% > >> > alas, not without memory.  :-(  > > I > >> Aren't those 72-pin parity SIMMs? They're (almost) a dime a dozen on  > >> e-Bay!h > >n@ > > EDO simms are dirt easy to fine, but you MUST have Fast Page@ > > for a Multia/Noname, and they are way harder to come across. > > Esp in the larger sizes. :(n > >@ >rF > Are you telling me the SIMMS I just got on Ebay (yes, I actually oneG > the auction) are not likely to work in the Multia??  They cost me $25rH > and that is the limit I am willing top pay just to find out if the boxG > works.  Next stop is likely to be a dumpster.  And then I can go backh@ > to my VAX and PDP's.  They are a lot easier to deal with.  :-) >s > bill >l > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:15:59 GMTy' From: Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>s" Subject: Re: NCDware for OpenVMS ?( Message-ID: <3DB4607F.EF42582@uiowa.edu>   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > O > Does anyone know which version of NCDware was the latest/newest for OpenVMS ?0 > L > I have NCDware V3.3.2 but this version seems older (1994) than my recentlyH > acquired NCD ExploraPro(XQ) (or NCD Xplora or NCD Explorapro - I don'tK > understand why this thing has three different names written on it) and son; > it seems that it doesn't support my 'new' X11-terminal...   L Is this different than NCBridge?  The software on a server for NCD/TektronixN X Terminals?   I believe there is a v4.x of NCBridge.  Note, NCBridge replaced the old Tektronix eXpressWare.   Look at:  * 	http://www.ncd.com/products/hardware/ncs/   or  5 	http://www.ncd.com/products/hardware/ncs/bridge.htmlc  ) NCDware is still mentioned on their site:a  , 	http://www.ncd.com/support/explora/ncdware/   I hope this helps...   Regards, Rick   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 17:14:35 -0400- From: Rich Alderson <alderson+news@panix.com>t" Subject: Re: NCDware for OpenVMS ?. Message-ID: <mddk7kbwl38.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  ) Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes:e   > Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  O >> Does anyone know which version of NCDware was the latest/newest for OpenVMS?u  M >> I have NCDware V3.3.2 but this version seems older (1994) than my recentlynI >> acquired NCD ExploraPro(XQ) (or NCD Xplora or NCD Explorapro - I don'tiO >> understand why this thing has three different names written on it) and so itn9 >> seems that it doesn't support my 'new' X11-terminal...   N > Is this different than NCBridge?  The software on a server for NCD/TektronixO > X Terminals?  I believe there is a v4.x of NCBridge.  Note, NCBridge replacedo  > the old Tektronix eXpressWare.  O It's entirely different, being the software for NCD's own hardware product, and M immensely superior to the Tektronix stuff with which they replaced their own.u  O I've got 5.1.140 supporting our various Exploras; it's not OS-specific (mine is.N on an Alpha under DU4.0d, an HP 817s under HP-UX 10.20, and several XKL Toad-1? systems under Tops-20).  It should still be available from NCD.    --  N Rich Alderson                                          alderson+news@panix.comL   "You get what anybody gets.  You get a lifetime."  --Death, of the Endless   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 22:12:54 GMTs. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: NCDware for OpenVMS ?5 Message-ID: <GZ_s9.111430$N_6.1623071@news.chello.at>u  R In article <3DB4607F.EF42582@uiowa.edu>, Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes: >Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:nP >> Does anyone know which version of NCDware was the latest/newest for OpenVMS ?  I I got a mail from NCD which states NCDware V4.1.141 as the latest for thepM OpenVMS platform, while V5.1.140 is the current version (without VMS support)s  M >> I have NCDware V3.3.2 but this version seems older (1994) than my recentlyoI >> acquired NCD ExploraPro(XQ) (or NCD Xplora or NCD Explorapro - I don't/L >> understand why this thing has three different names written on it) and so< >> it seems that it doesn't support my 'new' X11-terminal... >VM >Is this different than NCBridge?  The software on a server for NCD/TektronixiO >X Terminals?   I believe there is a v4.x of NCBridge.  Note, NCBridge replacedh >the old Tektronix eXpressWare.   @ I don't know neither NCBridge nor eXpressWare but thanks anyway. Did/do they run on OpenVMS ?  M So, to rephrase: Does anyone know how to obtain NCDware V4.1.141 (for free) ?c   -- e Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe% Network and OpenVMS system specialisto E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:14:56 GMTa> From: andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=) Subject: Re: read QuickTime?: Message-ID: <1fkf6lm.9cp2xd9jtagwN%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se>  . Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:  , > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 (Macintosh; U; PPC)   > JF Mezei wrote:e > >  > ../..eI > > Your best bet right now is to buy a MAC and NFS to the VMS machine son( > > that the mac can read the .MOV file. > I > r u kiddin' JF, I do have a Mac. I'm an IT professional, you see. I userI > professional tools, not do-it-yourself toys for OS computer programmingFB > maniacs and IT managers who follow stupidely the flow of sheeps.   LOL :-9e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:15:51 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>s Subject: Re: read QuickTime?' Message-ID: <3DB45267.F78D6159@Free.fr>i   Anders Eklf wrote:o > 0 > Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote: > . > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 (Macintosh; U; PPC) >  > > JF Mezei wrote:  > > >o	 > > ../..eK > > > Your best bet right now is to buy a MAC and NFS to the VMS machine sod* > > > that the mac can read the .MOV file. > >sK > > r u kiddin' JF, I do have a Mac. I'm an IT professional, you see. I userK > > professional tools, not do-it-yourself toys for OS computer programmingpD > > maniacs and IT managers who follow stupidely the flow of sheeps. > 	 > LOL :-9r  
 Thanks :-)N I admit that this one was one of my bests. "Pure DTL" would say my old friends	 at DEC...a   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:12:00 GMT14 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>X Subject: Re: Register/load licenses (Was :Register an Hobbyist layered product  license)2 Message-ID: <4kYs9.44$TV7.919584@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEMBFMAA.tom@kednos.com...tF > >Do you mean beyond the two documents that currently come from CSA ? > >o >rG > It appears that the CSA version is not quite the same as the licensedr; > version, which comes with 5 small manuals, AA-X-TE, wherei# > X= NL42C,NL44C,NL45C,NZ26C,NZ27C.r   There are 2 PAKGEN out there.o  H One which has been around since V5 days and is not being updated for the future.s  E The newer PAKGEN is included as part of VMS V7.2 LMF and there after. G It requires a PAKGEN PAK to be used and uses the common LICENSE commandS interface to make PAK's.   An example of the syntax is:  ) $ LICENSE REGISTER/GENERATE ProductName -  /PRODUCER=Producer -  /ISSUER=Issuer - %  /AUTHORIZATION=AuthorizationString -   /UNITS=0 -a%  /TERMINATION_DATE=TerminationDate  -b  /ACTIVITY=ActivityCode -S  /TOKEN=ProductTokenCode' $ LICENSE ISSUE/PROCEDURE ProductName - (  /OUTPUT=SYS$SCRATCH:PAK_PROCEDURE.COM -#  /AUTHORIZATION=AuthorizationStringe     mark   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:12:00 GMTr4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>X Subject: Re: Register/load licenses (Was :Register an Hobbyist layered product  license)2 Message-ID: <4kYs9.45$TV7.919584@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:bciau8N9xI3K@eisner.encompasserve.org... : > In article <amrn0l$dj7e$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Mark Buda"* <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com> writes: >dG > > I would not hold my breath for it.  Getting PAKGEN documented woulda be > > more useful. > E > Do you mean beyond the two documents that currently come from CSA ?r   Yes.  G It is on someone's list, but whether it will rise in priority to get itrH done is one of those life long questions that we never find out until it happens - or so it seems.    mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:25:47 -0700y# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>0X Subject: RE: Register/load licenses (Was :Register an Hobbyist layered product  license)9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKECHFPAA.tom@kednos.com>e  ; Mark, are there any functional differences between the two?o: Any particular reason you might recommend to use the newer version?   >-----Original Message-----y: >From: Mark Buda [mailto:buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com]( >Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 12:12 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComG >Subject: Re: Register/load licenses (Was :Register an Hobbyist layered  >product license)  >C >f >i/ >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in messagee4 >news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEMBFMAA.tom@kednos.com...G >> >Do you mean beyond the two documents that currently come from CSA ?n >> > >>H >> It appears that the CSA version is not quite the same as the licensed< >> version, which comes with 5 small manuals, AA-X-TE, where$ >> X= NL42C,NL44C,NL45C,NZ26C,NZ27C. >  >There are 2 PAKGEN out there. >rI >One which has been around since V5 days and is not being updated for thec >future. >eF >The newer PAKGEN is included as part of VMS V7.2 LMF and there after.H >It requires a PAKGEN PAK to be used and uses the common LICENSE command >interface to make PAK's.s >  >An example of the syntax is:e >e* >$ LICENSE REGISTER/GENERATE ProductName - >/PRODUCER=Producer -  > /ISSUER=Issuer -& > /AUTHORIZATION=AuthorizationString - > /UNITS=0 -& > /TERMINATION_DATE=TerminationDate  - > /ACTIVITY=ActivityCode - > /TOKEN=ProductTokenCoden( >$ LICENSE ISSUE/PROCEDURE ProductName -) > /OUTPUT=SYS$SCRATCH:PAK_PROCEDURE.COM -e$ > /AUTHORIZATION=AuthorizationString >T >b >marks >, >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).'B >Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/2002 >o ---z& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/2002i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:40:12 GMTc4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>X Subject: Re: Register/load licenses (Was :Register an Hobbyist layered product  license)2 Message-ID: <gU2t9.51$Sf.1292404@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKECHFPAA.tom@kednos.com...e= > Mark, are there any functional differences between the two?a< > Any particular reason you might recommend to use the newer
 > version?  0 It will be updated for IA64, the older will not.   mark   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:29:20 GMTc' From: Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>t2 Subject: Re: Tape Copy? (Or TapeCopy, the program)) Message-ID: <3DB471B0.B3F49AF0@uiowa.edu>    Duncan,   D 	I am afaid I don't do Assembler programing and so your instructions went right over my head!  C 	Could you please generate a patch file or just a corrected version ) and make it available or e-mail it to me?h  ? 	BTW, my version extracted on OpenVMS cleanly without the <LF> i
 characters...a   Thanks!k Rick   Duncan Macdonald wrote:e  uN > There are three things that need to be done to get this to work (I used 7.3) > Q > 1) the tapecopy.mar file has a linefeed character at the end of each line which * > the MACRO compiler does not seem to like > : > 2) the data and code areas need to be in separate PSECTsL > put a .PSECT data line before the start of the data and a .PSECT code line > before the .ENTRY directiveh > N > 3) Put a .BLKL 1 line between the two data buffers to ensure that the secondL > one starts on an even byte boundary. (I seem to recall some devices havingN > problems if the transfer starts on an odd byte boundary - don't know if this= > is still the case but 1 extra longword is cheap insurance.)n > O > The instructions are in the source - mount the two tapes as specified and runc% > the program - there are no options.a   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 17:22:23 -0700/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers)t' Subject: Re: Tape marks Was: Tape Copy?r= Message-ID: <754a27c1.0210211622.2bd2f116@posting.google.com>P  d Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<87wuog3lbt.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>...3 > chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers) writes:u > E > > There is an interesting gotcha involved with this for the general 	 > > case.c >   C > > On a labeled tape, each logical file is actually three physicallE > > files: header, data, and trailer.  The data file can legally be 0 F > > records.  This can result in back to back tape marks in the middle > > of the tape. >  kF > > A true EOV occurs when there is an extra tape mark after a trailer	 > > file.r > D > A true EOT mark is a TM char, 4 blank char times, then a second TMH > char.  The fake EOT on an ANSI tape is a TM, a 1/2" or so inter record@ > gap, then a second TM. Really easy to pick in the electronics.   I don't question that.  N I just mentioned it because I have seen tape copying software trip up on this.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:42:53 -0400n; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>S- Subject: Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problem:$ Message-ID: <3db466ec$1@news.si.com>  H >If you plan on your system never being restarted until you update TCPIPD >services again (not all that unlikely considering we're talking VMSI >here) then, sure you can delete TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP.COM and the FTP serverh >will run just fine.  K Our system has no TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP.COM file, and the FTP server works juste fine, even after rebooting.y --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comiA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comy= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:45:18 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>l- Subject: Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problemp$ Message-ID: <3db4677c$1@news.si.com>  / >Check again. The file is (and has to be) thereh   Nope.a  / $ dir sys$sysdevice:[*...]tcpip$ftp_startup.comw! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files foundg  @ Yet, FTP into this system works just fine, even after rebooting. -- oA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comuA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventt< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:47:27 -0400m; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>n- Subject: Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup probleme$ Message-ID: <3db467fe$1@news.si.com>  H >Sure it's started by INET on demand but before that can happen it needsI >to be installed with privs which is what TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP.COM does whenh >TCPIP$STARTUP is called.   / $ sea sys$startup:tcpip$startup.com ftp_startup ' %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matchedu   Hmm... --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com-A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comc= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 22 OCT 2002 03:13:12 GMT2 From: karcher@kort.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)- Subject: Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problem 2 Message-ID: <22OCT02.03131276@kort.waisman.wisc.e>  S In a previous article, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote:-  1 ->$ sea sys$startup:tcpip$startup.com ftp_startup2) ->%SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matcheds  K What version of TCPIP are you running? My info comes from 5.1 eco4 and 5.3.DK I recall there used to be a common procedure that prepared all the servicesu for running.  J The ftp server images (TCPIP$FTP_SERVER and TCPIP$FTP_CHILD) get installedJ with privs somehow - what does it? Try searching TCPIP*.COM for FTP_SERVER$ in both sys$manager and sys$startup.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 6 --               karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:40:12 GMT-4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>2 Subject: Re: TCPIP,VMS 7.2.1 Alpha, license issue?2 Message-ID: <gU2t9.52$Sf.1292404@news.cpqcorp.net>  F "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:3db0548e$1@news.si.com...E > While having a UCX license and a NETT-APP-SUP-200 license loaded atV the sameF > time could be considered redundant, they most certainly won't clash.  D Brian is correct.  What can happen is that a product checks  for UCXA first then NETT-APP-SUP-200 second or NETT-APP-SUP-200 first, UCXl second.m  G A normal product would check all products it cared about UNTIL it foundM0 one that returned success from the license call.   mark   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:25:44 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)= Subject: Re: turn a PWS600au to a (nearly) real multimedia PCi. Message-ID: <ap1kbo$c34$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  ~ DTL <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes in article <newscache$q8594h$bdl$1@news.tiscali.fr> dated Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:26:49 +0200:H >Instead of asking a question every hour, I may better ask my questions 
 >in one shot.  > J >Who has already turned a vanilia PWS600au running 7.3-1 with 512 Mo to a  >multimedia tabletop?r  J I have a 500au running 7.3-1 that I use as a mp3 jukebox with the built-inL sound device (which is officially unsupported because it needs a reset afterK a week or three of continuous use).  But I don't use Motif to control it; Ii use Apache web server.  
 >audio player   I If you have a MMOV-RT license (free for hobbyist use), you can use mpg123  (free) to play .mp3 files.   >microphone inputB  6 DECsound works for playing and recording .WAV files.     >CD audio player
 >video playero >DVD playert  L I haven't done any of these.  MMOV does include a video recorder and player,J but I haven't used them.  Considering that DECsound doesn't even have .mp3L capability yet, it's doubtful that the video drivers support anything useful (mpeg-2, for example).  I My opinion:  X/Motif is a poor environment for real-time software such as2K multimedia editing.  I do my A/V editing and conversion on the Mac platform:. using Quicktime Pro ($30) and Mpegger ($25).    + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgr> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:13:22 +0200h- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 7 Subject: Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chance ' Message-ID: <3DB451D1.CADAFF77@Free.fr>    Long time no read, Paddy chap.   D.   Paddy O'Brien wrote: >  > Phillip Helbig wrote:nJ > >>This is one of the more refined aspects of VMS. My opinion is that VMSK > >>has a distinct "engineered" feel to it whereas Windows, and much of theuH > >>software running on it, feels as if it was thrown together purely to > >>generate money.1 > >- > > G > > Indeed.  Nothing like a quote from Ken Olsen to start the day!  :-)e > >tK > > The PC has bred anarchy.  Hardware, software, and peripherals have beenaH > > thrown together in random configurations at the whim of any employeeL > > with access to an expense voucher and computer catalogue. The result hasC > > been a financial and administrative nightmare for corporations.c > >eL > >                                                             ---Ken Olsen > F > Nice one Phillip, and how so true.  BTW, it's the end of my day, but  > still a nice one to finish on.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:55:28 -0400h; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>,7 Subject: Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chancem$ Message-ID: <3db469de$1@news.si.com>  K >Tell the Customer that there ARE standards. And the standard today is pdf.R  2 No less a proprietary "standard" than Microsoft's. -- sA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comhA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comt= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:55:31 -0700w$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>7 Subject: RE: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chance 0 Message-ID: <01C27909.91B88210@sulfer.icius.com>  G Isn't PDF a published format? Word certainly wasn't last time I looked,bE people have to reverse engineer it if they want to write code to reade it.w   Shanes   -----Original Message-----@ From: Brian Tillman [mailto:tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com]& Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:55 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms7 Subject: Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chancee    K >Tell the Customer that there ARE standards. And the standard today is pdf.i  2 No less a proprietary "standard" than Microsoft's. -- ,A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comv= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventS< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 22:15:43 +0200u6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: VMSJava-L) Message-ID: <3DB4606F.7000902@vajhoej.dk>S  - Java questions seems to have become much mores frequent the last year.o  / To try and create a forum dedicated to Java andt VMS I have created a mail-list.    Details at:-&    http://www.vajhoej.dk/arne/vmsjava/   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:38:31 GMTn9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>c4 Subject: Re: Why does this file-spec work only once?/ Message-ID: <3DB456F0.DA6C4AAE@eps.zko.dec.com>i   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:   > Hello, >aE > Why does a file-spec containing "password" as shown below cause theoD > second (and all subsequent) lexical functions that use it to fail?  D That's done just to punish you for selecting a silly password (sic).  C This is part of an effort by RMS to hide the clear-type password in- logical ( names and just to allow them to be used.  6 It works for most passwords (all except 'password' :-)  I I recommend you just accpet that and use a reasonable password instead of  fighting it.   Cheers,l	     Hein.l   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 12:54:49 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)0 Subject: Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again3 Message-ID: <uOMArsSzF51l@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  e In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-2GDpm5Y1cEOg@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes:iH > On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:57:04 UTC, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  > wrote: > D >> Ah, the joys of motoring, in the days when one could fix anythingF >> with the odd spanner or two, a pair of pliers, and a screwdriver... > E > Last Saturday my wife went out to her FIAT Punto to do the grocery eH > shopping. It was raining, so to clear driver and passenger windows sheE > thought she'd use the, now EC safety-regulation mandated, electric rF > windows. Down and up goes the drivers side. Down goes the passenger H > side and there it stayed. Three  hours later, cold, wet, cut, bleedingB > and extremely pi**ed off I gave up trying to get the window up. 2 > Progress. (It was the electric motor - jammed!!) >   I While we are talking about poor quality cars, how do these things comparesK to Ladas and just what poor quality cars do US residents recognise anyway ?   H I have been surprised by the number of email comments from c.o.v readersI over the last few months asking "what is a Lada ?", which kind of negates.; the point that I am trying to make about Microsoft quality.y    $ set response/mode=good_natured  J However, there does appear to be a small core of secret Lada fans in c.o.vL judging from the indignant comments that I have received from several peopleK that I would _dare_ to equate Microsoft quality with their beloved Ladas...l  J Simon. [Who is currently trying to come up with a brief new sig that makes) Ladas sound better than Microsoft... :-)]    -- .B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2002 15:20:18 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)m0 Subject: Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again3 Message-ID: <7Q2WCXVm4VLN@eisner.encompasserve.org>@  x In article <uOMArsSzF51l@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: > K > While we are talking about poor quality cars, how do these things comparefM > to Ladas and just what poor quality cars do US residents recognise anyway ?   G    Yugos.  We've never had Ladas over here and lots of folks don't knowlD    what they are.  Most don't even know the Yugo was a Fiat design. F    It's been decades since we had Fiats in any quantity.  Also Rabbits<    (VW Golf as originally imported), but not VWs in general.  C    And some recognize that anything British and mechanical is a bad B    idea, but since Ford bought up some of them and others went outC    of business that's also an old idea who's time is somewhat past.   E    If you have toi explani a Lada you're probably bes off refering toiG    that 007 episode (Spy Who Loved Me?), with a "good old boy" whackingc0    what I assume was a Lada with a large wrench.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Oct 2002 01:40:00 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again5 Message-ID: <ap2a9g$r1j3o$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>e  3 In article <7Q2WCXVm4VLN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >yE >    And some recognize that anything British and mechanical is a badgD >    idea, but since Ford bought up some of them and others went outE >    of business that's also an old idea who's time is somewhat past.  >   > And being the prooud owner of two British Cars, I resent that.> I own a 1978 MGB and a 1979 Triumph Spitfire, neither of which< has ever stranded me.  The same can not be said for the Jeep/ Grand Cherokee which did on several occaisions.s   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.583 ************************