1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 23 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 586       Contents: "slow" CDE clock?  Re: "slow" CDE clock?  Re: 'hobbyist' vms Re: 'hobbyist' vms( Re: 3 node cluster w/shadowing questions& Re: ACCVIO with SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES& Re: ACCVIO with SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES& Re: ACCVIO with SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES& Re: ACCVIO with SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES# Re: Alphaserver 4100 Galaxy Problem " Re: Another strike against Itanium" Re: Another strike against Itanium" Re: Another strike against Itanium" Re: Another strike against Itanium" Re: Another strike against Itanium" Re: Another strike against Itanium" Re: Another strike against Itanium" Re: Another strike against Itanium" Re: Another strike against Itanium" RE: Another strike against Itanium" RE: Another strike against Itanium Close delay time of a socket
 Re: cswing Re: CTRL-Y and VMS BACKUP A Re: Current storage interconnect options, and new gigabit option?  Re: enable accents in filenames  Re: enable accents in filenames  enable accents in filenames & Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility?& Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility?& Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility?& Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility?& Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility?& Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility? Re: Graphic boards for DS10L Re: Graphic boards for DS10L4 Re: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!  Re: HP webpage sizing   Re: java on VMS - help requested! Re: Jpeg librar y for Imagemagick  Re: Multia help needed Multicast, UCX, OpenVMS 0 Need Help really Quick Please: 10/23/02 Noon CST4 RE: Need Help really Quick Please: 10/23/02 Noon CST4 Re: Need Help really Quick Please: 10/23/02 Noon CST Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING PLUG: txt2pdf 6.1  Re: read QuickTime?  Re: read QuickTime?  Scheduling Question  Tape to Tape Copying$ Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization$ Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization$ Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization Re: TPU port to Linux  Re: TPU port to Linux  Re: TPU port to Linux  Re: TPU port to Linux . Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chance
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 Re: VMSJava-L + Re: Why does this file-spec work only once? ' Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again ' Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again ' Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again ' Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:37:15 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: "slow" CDE clock?; Message-ID: <01KO0EOHRIRA9QXTOZ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   I My DECW$CLOCK seems to be in step with the system time.  The minute hand  G on the CDE clock seems to move about 45 seconds too late.  Anyone else  
 seen this?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:24:07 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: "slow" CDE clock?. Message-ID: <3DB6CD27.1C6CE795@mindspring.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:   J > My DECW$CLOCK seems to be in step with the system time.  The minute handH > on the CDE clock seems to move about 45 seconds too late.  Anyone else > seen this?  0 Well, CDE always has been a bit behind the times as an interface.   ("Bah-dom-bomp!")    Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:23:32 +0100 > From: Torsten Mattfeldt <torsten.mattfeldt@medizin.uni-ulm.de> Subject: Re: 'hobbyist' vms 2 Message-ID: <3DB6DB14.96097AEF@medizin.uni-ulm.de>   Tim Llewellyn schrieb: >  > David Webb wrote:  > Q > > People have also been running VMS on Simh and ts10 emulators. However I'm not S > > sure how complete and stable those emulators are currently. I'm sure others can  > > comment. > R > I have VMS 72 running on the latest beta of ts10 on linux, full network support,R > its like having a MicroVAX II but with a smaller power bill :-). CD mounting etc > work fine.   Dear David,    thank you for this remark.  1 I have meanwhile downloaded ts10 und compiled it  8 successfully under linux. However apparently I have not , succeeded to emulate VMS. I think after just6 saying 'make' etc., it produces an executable program 3 which works correctly, but it is an emulation of a  * different OS. The commands are not VMS as  far as I can determine.   4 Up to now, I could not get simh running under linux.) I have not yet tried the windows version.   . My question: how can I get ts10 to emulate VMS0 as you did? Or does there exist a more detailed  documentation somewhere?   Best wishes  Torsten      > < > The only real problem I've seen is the clock running slow. > R > Simh runs on windows as well as linux but recently there was no network support. > R > Anyone got any VMS tuning tips for VMS on ts10? Disk i/o especially :-). I don'tU > expect full ATA100 performance but its really the main bottleneck most of the time.  > 	 > Regards  > --  > tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk > J > * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Oct 2002 16:28:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: 'hobbyist' vms 5 Message-ID: <ap6inv$s577m$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   2 In article <3DB6DB14.96097AEF@medizin.uni-ulm.de>,A 	Torsten Mattfeldt <torsten.mattfeldt@medizin.uni-ulm.de> writes:  >  >  > Tim Llewellyn schrieb: >>   >> David Webb wrote: >>  R >> > People have also been running VMS on Simh and ts10 emulators. However I'm notT >> > sure how complete and stable those emulators are currently. I'm sure others can
 >> > comment.  >>  S >> I have VMS 72 running on the latest beta of ts10 on linux, full network support, S >> its like having a MicroVAX II but with a smaller power bill :-). CD mounting etc 
 >> work fine.  > 
 > Dear David,  >  > thank you for this remark. > 3 > I have meanwhile downloaded ts10 und compiled it  : > successfully under linux. However apparently I have not . > succeeded to emulate VMS. I think after just8 > saying 'make' etc., it produces an executable program 5 > which works correctly, but it is an emulation of a  , > different OS. The commands are not VMS as  > far as I can determine.  > 6 > Up to now, I could not get simh running under linux.+ > I have not yet tried the windows version.  > 0 > My question: how can I get ts10 to emulate VMS2 > as you did? Or does there exist a more detailed  > documentation somewhere? >   E Neither ts10 or SIMH emulate any operating system.  They are hardware C emulators. TS10 for the VAX and SIMH for VAX, PDP-11 and a bunch of B others I have never tried.  You will need to install VMS on either- of them just like you would on real hardware.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:38:57 +0200 $ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at>1 Subject: Re: 3 node cluster w/shadowing questions 0 Message-ID: <ap5rct$1np$1@newsreader1.netway.at>  3 "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote  > > E > > I mean, if we have the data pathway for volshad, it seems like we A > > could avoid many of these issues entirely via the remote SAN.  > @ > Yes, if there is an inter-site Fibre Channel link, you are not@ > dependent on MSCP-serving to keep the remote shadowset members
 > "alive". > H If using a SAN is an option i would definitely go for it. We are runningD multi site SAN configurations on OpenVMS in a lot of customers sitesL and it is a pleasure working with that stuff, it is strikingly fast and very stable.  Peter    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:07:24 +0200 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>/ Subject: Re: ACCVIO with SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES / Message-ID: <ap5s5r$a1d5@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>    labadie wrote:I > "Karl Rohwedder" <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> wrote in message + > news:ap3g80$a1d3@doiweb4.volkswagen.de...  > > >>If a disk has only 1 block left free, SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES
 >>crashes: >  > hello  > D > I have tried this on a Vms 7.3-1, on a DSA disk, it works fine and > sh dev > and  > sh dev /siz=byte' > both work fine, displaying  correctly  > free space 0 > ) > May be it is specific with LD devices ?  > 	 > Regards  >  > Grard >  > F Zero (NULL,0) is o.k., I wrote 1 (ONE,UNO,EIN) free block leads to the ACCVIO.   O I have just checked it with an DVA0 floppy (RX26) and the error occurs also, so 8 I've filed a call to HP (ODS-2 or ODS-5 doesn't matter).   --    - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regards    Karl Rohwedder                   iT-Ingenieurteam       Ellernbruch 11 D-38112 Braunschweig    . E.Mail:  karl.rohwedder(at)it-ingenieurteam.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:52:28 GMT " From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: ACCVIO with SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES & Message-ID: <3DB67F5A.5190D6C4@hp.com>  K I would like to know if you find the SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES feature useful. R For the next version of the O/S we are working on a global process cell which willS hold the process units. Most of the utilities displaying information in blocks will ! be modified to support this. so :   2 $ SET PROC/UNITS=BYTES will display info in bytes.B $SET PROC/UNITES=BLOCKS - the default will display info in blocks.  Q The plan is to display information in bytes and not to accept any input in bytes.   1 Do you find this useful? Are we wasting our time?     Your feedback is always welcome.   Guy      Karl Rohwedder wrote:    > labadie wrote:K > > "Karl Rohwedder" <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> wrote in message - > > news:ap3g80$a1d3@doiweb4.volkswagen.de...  > > @ > >>If a disk has only 1 block left free, SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES > >>crashes: > > 	 > > hello  > > F > > I have tried this on a Vms 7.3-1, on a DSA disk, it works fine and
 > > sh dev > > and  > > sh dev /siz=byte) > > both work fine, displaying  correctly  > > free space 0 > > + > > May be it is specific with LD devices ?  > >  > > Regards  > > 
 > > Grard > >  > > H > Zero (NULL,0) is o.k., I wrote 1 (ONE,UNO,EIN) free block leads to the	 > ACCVIO.  > Q > I have just checked it with an DVA0 floppy (RX26) and the error occurs also, so : > I've filed a call to HP (ODS-2 or ODS-5 doesn't matter). >  > -- > / > mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regards  >  > Karl Rohwedder >  > iT-Ingenieurteam > Ellernbruch 11 > D-38112 Braunschweig > 0 > E.Mail:  karl.rohwedder(at)it-ingenieurteam.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:10:45 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>/ Subject: Re: ACCVIO with SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES + Message-ID: <ap674m$tbq@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   Z "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at> wrote in message news:ap65lo$5bd$1@newsreader1.netway.at...  & > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote5 > > Do you find this useful? Are we wasting our time? ? > Keep it as it is, otherwise tons of scripts may fail to work.   M I don't agree with this at all. Output of command line tools like SHOW DEVICE S is human readable. If you postprocess it with scripts, as a quick hack, rather than D use documented interfaces, then you have to expect to maintain them.  I To make it easier on those who do script SHOW DEVICE, a lexical or GETJPI Q item so that one can easily push and pop the state would be useful. Otherwise, it  sounds sensible enough to me.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:45:43 +0200 $ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at>/ Subject: Re: ACCVIO with SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES 0 Message-ID: <ap65lo$5bd$1@newsreader1.netway.at>  $ "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com> wroteE > I would like to know if you find the SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES feature  useful. 3 > Do you find this useful? Are we wasting our time? = Keep it as it is, otherwise tons of scripts may fail to work, > when one of our hobbyist SYSMGRs ( aka SW Developers ) decidesD to change the default unit in sylogin on one of his 'playground' VMSE machines - 'because it is so much easier to read, if the display says  2.46GB instead of 5168973' ... Peter    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Oct 2002 23:04:33 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) , Subject: Re: Alphaserver 4100 Galaxy Problem< Message-ID: <a98cd882.0210222204.9ec7069@posting.google.com>  C Yes, 4100's can run Galaxy and are supported as such. Of course you D need enough hardware and even then I doubt if it is very useful, but anyway.   @ I attended a workshop at DECUS 1999 in San Diego, where we built Galaxies on 4100's.   	 Bart Zorn   \ Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C279DD.A9AD85D0@sulfer.icius.com>...J > Galaxy code is supported on all Alphas, so you can develop for it on anyD > size machine. To actually /use/ galaxy you have to have one of theI > newer, larger machines. I'm sure someone has the manual to hand and can : > look up if the 4100 is among them, but I don't think so. >  > Shane  >  > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Zane H. Healy [mailto:healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com] ) > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:22 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . > Subject: Re: Alphaserver 4100 Galaxy Problem >  >  > dittman@dittman.net wrote:B > > I have an Alphaserver 4100 with two 5/533 CPUs and 4GB of RAM.A > > I've followed the Galaxy configuration documentation and have < > > two instances.  My lp* variables are defined as follows: > H > Does the 4100 support Galaxy?  I'd thought you needed something like a > GS160. > 	 > 			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 02:33:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> + Subject: Re: Another strike against Itanium , Message-ID: <3DB642A8.997ECFAB@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:N > to touch EV7 in other areas, save for FP) until Alpha development stops, theI > new Hammer numbers help prove what I've suspected would be the case all L > along:  Hammer will out-perform EV7 pretty much across the board, save for' > FP - and at dramatically lower cost.    N While I certaintly have no love for IA64, I have to be fair. Hammer is just asN much vapourware as IA64 right now, perhaps more so because IA64 does have someN slow chips out supposedly enough enough calibre to run an OS without many math) errors. Hammer is still only in AMD labs.   M Will hammer outspeed IA64 ? Hopefully yes. After all, it should be simpler to H raise the speed of a simpler chip compared to intel's expensive and timeJ consuming efforst to keep that IA74 lead-boat afloat. But it is still just speculation right now.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 03:58:09 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: Another strike against Itanium 2 Message-ID: <zwudnYmQ7vAfyyugXTWcpA@metrocast.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3DB642A8.997ECFAB@videotron.ca... > Bill Todd wrote:L > > to touch EV7 in other areas, save for FP) until Alpha development stops, the K > > new Hammer numbers help prove what I've suspected would be the case all J > > along:  Hammer will out-perform EV7 pretty much across the board, save for ( > > FP - and at dramatically lower cost. > H > While I certaintly have no love for IA64, I have to be fair. Hammer is just as K > much vapourware as IA64 right now, perhaps more so because IA64 does have  someK > slow chips out supposedly enough enough calibre to run an OS without many  math+ > errors. Hammer is still only in AMD labs.  > L > Will hammer outspeed IA64 ? Hopefully yes. After all, it should be simpler toJ > raise the speed of a simpler chip compared to intel's expensive and timeL > consuming efforst to keep that IA74 lead-boat afloat. But it is still just > speculation right now.  F Hammer is not only running at 2 GHz in AMD labs (that's where the SPECH results came from:  they were obtained on silicon, not simulation), it's> running at 1.6 GHz at partners.  It's running at 1.4 GHz in MPJ configurations.  It's running at user test sites.  And it's been taped out for almost a year now.   It's as 'real' as EV7.  J And while Itanic2 isn't the blockbuster that HP would like people to think1 it is, neither is it slow, nor is it error-prone.   K Your readiness to spout garbage about things you know nothing about doesn't 9 seem to have changed.  Try writing less and reading more.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 05:09:14 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> + Subject: Re: Another strike against Itanium , Message-ID: <3DB66739.87FC97A2@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:1 > Hammer is not only running at 2 GHz in AMD labs   L And I remember a prototype Alpha chip running at 767mhz some years ago, withN some liquid helium or whetever to keep it cool enough. That one never did make it to market...   M Sorry, but as long as Hammer isn't commercially available, then you shouldn't  bet your family jewels on it.   H Folks criticize HP/Compaq for having killed Alpha before IA64 has provenI itself a more worthy chip.  And it will be some more years before IA64 is + available commercially on serious systems.    I It is very possible that Hammer will beat IA64 and early results may send L shivers down Intel's spine. But until Hammer has proven itself commercially,J one shouldn't bet his family jewels on it for the same reasons that it wasM wrong for Compaq/HP to bet the whole company on IA64 well before IA64 becomes  commercially viable.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 06:33:17 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: Another strike against Itanium 3 Message-ID: <XhfzUtzahHdT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L In article <3DB61FC0.207@telocity.com>, Koloth <koloth@telocity.com> writes: > ( > --------------050002050109040309020407; > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed ! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  > H > If I was HP OpenVMS engineering I would be funding a small project to  > look at porting to AMD'sE > processor just to see how much difference it would be from Itanium.   G Whereas if I were in OpenVMS engineering I would check with the lawyers D to see if possibly such action would be in violation of the contract@ with Intel whereby Intel is paying some of the porting expenses.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 05:34:12 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)+ Subject: Re: Another strike against Itanium = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0210230434.7c1f5a5e@posting.google.com>   \ Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C279CA.4A542B60@sulfer.icius.com>...J > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/10/21/021021hnopteron.xml?s= > IDGNS  > G > (Apologies for wrap / any stray Outlook-inserted crap. It's jammed in  > "rich text" again) > J > Apparently Cray reckon the AMD Opteron (their high end 64 bit chip) is aH > better part to build a supercomputer with than Itanic. I bet intel are; > (ahem) annoyed. Last time around, they used Alphas. Sigh.  >  > Shane   ! but Dell will go with itanium ...    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 05:45:51 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)+ Subject: Re: Another strike against Itanium = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0210230445.56d2d035@posting.google.com>   \ Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C279CA.4A542B60@sulfer.icius.com>...J > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/10/21/021021hnopteron.xml?s= > IDGNS  > G > (Apologies for wrap / any stray Outlook-inserted crap. It's jammed in  > "rich text" again) > J > Apparently Cray reckon the AMD Opteron (their high end 64 bit chip) is aH > better part to build a supercomputer with than Itanic. I bet intel are; > (ahem) annoyed. Last time around, they used Alphas. Sigh.  >  > Shane   C anyone who bets againset the dec alpha group will lose big time ...    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Oct 2002 14:29:37 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: Another strike against Itanium 5 Message-ID: <ap6bog$rj8gt$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   = In article <d7791aa1.0210230434.7c1f5a5e@posting.google.com>, + 	bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: ^ > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C279CA.4A542B60@sulfer.icius.com>...K >> http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/10/21/021021hnopteron.xml?s=  >> IDGNS >>  H >> (Apologies for wrap / any stray Outlook-inserted crap. It's jammed in >> "rich text" again)  >>  K >> Apparently Cray reckon the AMD Opteron (their high end 64 bit chip) is a I >> better part to build a supercomputer with than Itanic. I bet intel are < >> (ahem) annoyed. Last time around, they used Alphas. Sigh. >>   >> Shane > # > but Dell will go with itanium ...    Maybe, but who cares??   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 23 Oct 2002 14:32:20 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: Another strike against Itanium 5 Message-ID: <ap6btj$rj8gt$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   = In article <d7791aa1.0210230445.56d2d035@posting.google.com>, + 	bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: ^ > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C279CA.4A542B60@sulfer.icius.com>... >>  K >> Apparently Cray reckon the AMD Opteron (their high end 64 bit chip) is a I >> better part to build a supercomputer with than Itanic. I bet intel are < >> (ahem) annoyed. Last time around, they used Alphas. Sigh. > E > anyone who bets againset the dec alpha group will lose big time ...   I I don't know how to break this to you, but Compaq did and now, so has HP.   / Oh yeah, and DEC has been gone for even longer.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:51:22 -0400 $ From: "rob kas" <rob@netcarrier.net>+ Subject: Re: Another strike against Itanium 3 Message-ID: <3db6b8a0$0$1395$8e9e3842@news.atx.net>    > E > anyone who bets againset the dec alpha group will lose big time ...   /    To bad there no longer is a DEC alpha group.   /    However we our Beta Testing a Hammer 1.6 Ghz ;    And without going into detail I can say they are hitting (    the numbers that AMD said they would.                               Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:01:48 -0700 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>+ Subject: RE: Another strike against Itanium 0 Message-ID: <01C27A7B.52270450@sulfer.icius.com>  C But don't I remember hearing that Itanium came out of a partnership A between Intel and HP? Don't HP stand to lose money if nobody buys G Itanic? Based on the performance figures I've seen so far, if there was C a Hammer version of VMS, nobody'd use the Itanic one. I guess we're H pretty much the only people HP can force to use Itanic, so that's what's going to happen.   Shane    -----Original Message-----) From: Koloth [mailto:koloth@telocity.com] ' Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:04 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + Subject: Re: Another strike against Itanium     F If I was HP OpenVMS engineering I would be funding a small project to  look at porting to AMD'sH processor just to see how much difference it would be from Itanium.  For) all the effort put into the Itanium port, @ the step to AMD couldn't be that much more.  It would be a nice % marketing tool.  Hey OpenVMS runs not H only on Itanium but AMD as well!  How about that for open?  We may even & have to uppercase the OPEN in OpenVMS.  . ("It was just a dream Bob, Go back to sleep.")   Cass Witkowski     David J. Dachtera wrote:   >Shane Smith wrote:  >    > J >>http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/10/21/021021hnopteron.xml?s= >>IDGNS  >>G >>(Apologies for wrap / any stray Outlook-inserted crap. It's jammed in  >>"rich text" again) >>J >>Apparently Cray reckon the AMD Opteron (their high end 64 bit chip) is aH >>better part to build a supercomputer with than Itanic. I bet intel are; >>(ahem) annoyed. Last time around, they used Alphas. Sigh.  >> >>Shane  >>     >> > H >I read across the train car the other day in another fellow's newspaperE >sonething about AMD's Hammer chips was seleceted for some government G >contract or another over Itanic. Sorry - don't recall the specifics...  >    >     ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>!   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" ' content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">    <title></title>  </head>  <body>E If I was HP OpenVMS engineering I would be funding a small project to  look at porting to AMD's <br>C processor just to see how much difference it would be from Itanium. 	 &nbsp;For - all the effort put into the Itanium port,<br> D the step to AMD couldn't be that much more. &nbsp;It would be a nice	 marketing % tool. &nbsp;Hey OpenVMS runs not <br> H only on Itanium but AMD as well! &nbsp;How about that for open? &nbsp;We
 may even have % to uppercase the OPEN in OpenVMS.<br>  <br>2 ("It was just a dream Bob, Go back to sleep.")<br> <br> Cass Witkowski<br> <br> <br> David J. Dachtera wrote:<br>< <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid3DB61935.7D85BA3C@fsi.net">!   <pre wrap="">Shane Smith wrote:    </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">1     <pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" H href="http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/10/21/021021hnopteron.H xml?s=">http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/10/21/021021hnoptero n.xml?s=</a> IDGNS   E (Apologies for wrap / any stray Outlook-inserted crap. It's jammed in  "rich text" again)  H Apparently Cray reckon the AMD Opteron (their high end 64 bit chip) is aF better part to build a supercomputer with than Itanic. I bet intel are9 (ahem) annoyed. Last time around, they used Alphas. Sigh.    Shane 
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->G I read across the train car the other day in another fellow's newspaper D sonething about AMD's Hammer chips was seleceted for some governmentF contract or another over Itanic. Sorry - don't recall the specifics...   </pre>
 </blockquote>  <br> </body>  </html>    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:15:18 -0700 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>+ Subject: RE: Another strike against Itanium 0 Message-ID: <01C27A7D.1D78C570@sulfer.icius.com>  G What kind of cooling? Honking great heatsink and fan, or something more  exotic?    Shane    -----Original Message-----) From: rob kas [mailto:rob@netcarrier.net] ) Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:51 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + Subject: Re: Another strike against Itanium      > E > anyone who bets againset the dec alpha group will lose big time ...   /    To bad there no longer is a DEC alpha group.   /    However we our Beta Testing a Hammer 1.6 Ghz ;    And without going into detail I can say they are hitting (    the numbers that AMD said they would.                               Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:53:56 +0200 + From: "Karl Huber" <karl.huber@cpointc.com> % Subject: Close delay time of a socket 5 Message-ID: <ap5ok8$f4$1@perforce.office.cpointc.com>    Problem:+ Client (running on NT 40) closes the socket   ( Server (running on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1,r DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A) cannot send anymore to the socket which was closed by the Client.   5 After close of the socket on the server the BG device 5 still remains for ~15 sec in the process context with  following state:    J Device_socket: bg9646      Type: STREAM      LOCAL                  REMOTE Port:    0             0 Host:    0.0.0.0       0.0.0.0 Service: RECEIVE       SEND  ...  Options:  None# State:    CANTSENDMORE CANTRECVMORE  RCV Buff: None SND Buff: None     Calling  int msDelay = 1000; # ioctl (sock,I_SETCLTIME, &msDelay);  in the Server program % does not to work (always returns -1).   ' How can the delay time be set for VMS ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:04:43 -0400  From: G Everhart <ge@gce.com>  Subject: Re: cswing & Message-ID: <3DB6D6AB.3070303@gce.com>  V Cswing may be running into directory file changes of some sort, though it is not clearE what those may be. There also may be some issues with the new cacher.   T One thing I ran into with xfc was that in 7.3 it did not respect ucb$l_maxbcnt. ThatR has been fixed as I am told, but the cacher certainly is changing enough places inP the I/O system that interactions with directory file reading are possible. ThoseO usually are done with logical I/O (and it appears xfc keeps its hands off that)  but cswing does virtual reads.  R Therefore I suggest trying cswing with the old VIOC or no cache on at all, just toV see whether that is involved. Certainly the systems continue to work with disks INITedU back by 6.1 or so, which leads me to think on disk formats are not to blame. I played V with cswing a bit at one time, and saw little anywhere else that would cause problems.  Y The VMS 7.3-1 release has been much more aggressive in changing internals interfaces than P any VMS dash release I've ever heard of before it. Changes to dkdriver have beenX massive (with more coming), SCSI control blocks changed format a bit, and so on. ChangesW of this kind in my recollection usually required point releases in the past, where dash X releases usually were bigfixes and minor enhancements that left interfaces mostly alone.W That the release was not called 7.4 or some such has led to expectations that evidently  are not quite right.   Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 09:55:03 -0700% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) " Subject: Re: CTRL-Y and VMS BACKUP< Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0210230855.282754a@posting.google.com>  s spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0210221555.619e2f8d@posting.google.com>... ( <...1300 words snipped,  you're welcome>   Alan,   $ Using the previously stated example;( (some spaces & superfluous text removed)   $ dir $disk1:[blah]  Directory $DISK1:[BLAH] 5 FILE1.DAT;4   FILE1.DAT;3   FILE1.DAT;2   FILE1.DAT;1  Total of 4 files.    $ dir $disk2:[blah]/col=1  Directory $DISK2:[BLAH] 5 FILE1.DAT;4   FILE1.DAT;3   FILE1.DAT;2   FILE1.DAT;1  Total of 4 files.   6 $ backup $disk1:[blah],$disk2:[blah] $tape9:blahs/save   $ backup/list $tape9:blahs/save  Listing of save set(s)   Save set:  BLAHS.  [...] ? Command:   BACKUP $DISK1:[BLAH],$DISK2:[BLAH] $TAPE9:BLAHS/SAVE  [...] 8 [BLAH]FILE1.DAT;4                   1  23-OCT-2002 10:498 [BLAH]FILE1.DAT;3                   1  23-OCT-2002 10:498 [BLAH]FILE1.DAT;2                   1  23-OCT-2002 10:498 [BLAH]FILE1.DAT;1                   1  23-OCT-2002 10:498 [BLAH]FILE1.DAT;4                   1  23-OCT-2002 10:498 [BLAH]FILE1.DAT;3                   1  23-OCT-2002 10:498 [BLAH]FILE1.DAT;2                   1  23-OCT-2002 10:498 [BLAH]FILE1.DAT;1                   1  23-OCT-2002 10:49 Total of 8 files, 8 blocks End of save set    <end of example>  A There is no way to restore these files properly without expending C a great effort, and this for a simple example. The real world isn't D usually so simple. While "data integrity", as you say, is a foremostC concern, even though the data are exactly duplicated, the integrity8F of the data has been lost because backup is unable to properly restore& it. (please reread that last sentence)  A The fact that backup reads the entire save_set just in case thereT> are duplicates *** does NOT enhance data integrity *** because. the resulting restoration will not be correct.  < In "my wish world" backup would choke on the original backupC command, "backup $disk1:[blah],$disk2:[blah] ..." with an -F-INV or B some such. In fact, any input_spec that can't be properly restored9 would be an error or at least a warning. (data integrity)i  C However, using the above example, with backup allowing an illogicaliC input-spec as it now does, and just implementing my "stop when the a< command has completed" wish, here's what I'd like to happen:  A $ backup $tape9:blahs/save/select=[see selects below] output-spec   A    ([blah]file1.dat;3) would stop after the first ;3 is restored.   A    ([blah]file1.dat;*) would require /new_version and restore allaB                        eight files, stopping after [blah] is fini,7                        and leaving me to sort them out.   C    ([blah]file1,dat;2,[blah]file1.dat;2) would require /new_versiontC                        and restore both ;2 files (creating an ;3 onrE                        the second) and stop after both are processed.gD                        If only one ;2 is found in [blah], the searchD                        would continue until a second [blah] is foundC                        or the save_set end is reached. This commandS=                        would be illogical in "my wish world".s  F    ([*]file1.dat;1) or (file1.dat;1) would search the entire save_set G                        and restore all file1.dat;1's (output-spec would"E                        determine whether or not /new_vers is needed.)b  C You get the idea. Anyway, that's all the time I'm going to waste onm< this, I'll read any replies, though. Back to the real world.     Best to you,  
   DL Phillips3  . **********************************************. The opinions expressed by me are mine and all . persons who share them. They do not represent - the opinions of anyone who disagrees with me.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:56:33 -0400G2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>J Subject: Re: Current storage interconnect options, and new gigabit option?. Message-ID: <3DB6AA91.704C7AF0@mindspring.com>   Rich Jordan wrote:  j > Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<3DB54690.B366298E@mindspring.com>... > > Rich Jordan wrote: > >aH > > > Also based on some posts apparently coming out of the recent DecusA > > > (yeah, whatever they call it) event, the new 'fast' cluster K > > > interconnect is supposed to be a new gigabit ethernet card coming out H > > > soon, as opposed to memory channel.  Even assuming that the memoryG > > > channel hardware he has could be moved (we're checking, but it iscL > > > first generation MC so I doubt it) we'd prefer to go with new hardwareG > > > (again, maintenance and presumed reliability).  Is there any info-, > > > available online for the new card yet? > >-9 > > The "flavor of the month" in storage interconnects isM3 > > iSCSI (where SCSI packets are routed over a TCPo3 > > network). With Gigabit Ethernet as the physical03 > > medium, this gives pretty good performance. AndD- > > 10GBaseT is about to be standardized! :-)i > 	 > Atlant, G >      thanks for responding.  Unfortunately we're specifically looking G > for a VMS compatible solution, and in the next few months.  I somehow C > doubt hpaq will spend any effort on serial ATA for Alpha systems,oC > especially as a shared interconnect... though iSCSI would be verynD > interesting (and so doubtless unavailable under VMS for quite some > time).  2 Actually, I was wondering if the "new fast cluster2 interconnect [via] gigabit ethernet" was, in fact,- iSCSI; it would certainly make sense. Maybe a * VMS engineer can confirm or deny this. :-)  . And with regard to Serial ATA, it's actually a2 fully software-compatible technology with existing/ ATA; you can buy "serial" adapters and use themd5 to string Serial ATA between ordinary ATA controllers-7 and drives. So it doesn't require any specific softwarey5 support. Also, as far as I know, though, it's *NOT* av/ shared interconnect (in the sense that it coulds1 allow more than one host/initiator on the bus; ite can't).u   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:25:54 +0100  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>u( Subject: Re: enable accents in filenames) Message-ID: <3DB6A362.D475F0F8@Omond.net>l   Didier Morandi wrote:   H > I need to swap two iMacs so I want to backup my whole DOC directory to% > my Alpha then back to the new iMac.c >fF > When using FETCH, it fails because my FTP server on the Alpha cannot1 > create directories with accentuated characters.u > ! > How do you enable this, please?   2 Hmmm... I doubt if you can achieve this using FTP.  , However, you could try installing Appleshare/ (aka Pathworks for Macintosh).  It provides then. necessary mapping of filenames so that the Mac2 will see the accented characters.  I'm not sure if- Appleshare will run on VMS 7.3 and up, but ite7 certainly worked in 7.2.  Then it's just drag-and-drop.s  3 Alternatively, if you've got enough free disk spacec2 on the mac, use Stuffit (or Zip) to create one big/ archive of your DOC directory, transfer this byp FTP to your VMS box etc. etc.t  	 Roy Omondr Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:59:27 -0400l2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>( Subject: Re: enable accents in filenames. Message-ID: <3DB6AB3F.2F8C1A99@mindspring.com>   Roy Omond wrote:   > Didier Morandi wrote:- >-J > > I need to swap two iMacs so I want to backup my whole DOC directory to' > > my Alpha then back to the new iMac.  > > H > > When using FETCH, it fails because my FTP server on the Alpha cannot3 > > create directories with accentuated characters.t > >s# > > How do you enable this, please?t > 4 > Hmmm... I doubt if you can achieve this using FTP. >r. > However, you could try installing Appleshare1 > (aka Pathworks for Macintosh).  It provides the>0 > necessary mapping of filenames so that the Mac4 > will see the accented characters.  I'm not sure if/ > Appleshare will run on VMS 7.3 and up, but it19 > certainly worked in 7.2.  Then it's just drag-and-drop.c >A5 > Alternatively, if you've got enough free disk space 4 > on the mac, use Stuffit (or Zip) to create one big1 > archive of your DOC directory, transfer this by  > FTP to your VMS box etc. etc.f  $ Didier would probably find it easier just to buy an XServe box. :-)   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:30:47 +0200 4 From: Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr (Didier Morandi)$ Subject: enable accents in filenamesA Message-ID: <1fkig4l.3f1ozzvg37niN%Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>t  F I need to swap two iMacs so I want to backup my whole DOC directory to# my Alpha then back to the new iMac.   D When using FETCH, it fails because my FTP server on the Alpha cannot/ create directories with accentuated characters.H   How do you enable this, please?y   Thanks,r   D. ---------------------------  Posted with MacSoup 2.4.6b Remove .nospam to email me.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:08:49 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>n/ Subject: Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility? ' Message-ID: <3DB63CF1.C4726C3E@Free.fr>   P I did. It is a Windows program. It is stated somewhere that it allows to analyseO VMS security elemnts and rate them from a PC. You run it from you Lostdows box,-N it asks you for the VMS box IP address, for a username and a password, then itK does a scan, then it displays the security ranking with a few explanations.$  ! Here is the mail I got from them:h    
 Mr. Morandi, i  P Thank you for your interest in PointSecure's Security Snapshot. Snapshot is a PC based tool thatwH connects via a Telnet session to audit 16 critical areas of your OpenVMS systems. Within minutes,G Snapshot allows security administrators to  non-intrusively measure thek effectiveness ofM corporate security and auditing policies against HP's OpenVMS best practices.g Snapshot, a sub-setiL of the reporting capabilities provided by PointAudit, is a free utility that provides anuV immediate high-level view of your user profiles, file settings, and system parameters.  P PointSecure understands that knowing whether exposures exist is only half of the equation. As aE result, PointAudit is available to provide a full-blown vulnerabilityE assessment. This powerful,N one-of-a-kind PC based tool provides detailed information and explanations for all reports,O provides security recommendations and dynamically allows administrators to makea
 changes to0 quickly update settings and eliminate exposures.  L Feel free to contact us for more information or to learn about other OpenVMS security solutionsS provided by PointSecure by calling 713-868-1222 or writing at info@pointsecure.com.a [end of quote]   D.  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > H > I was looking about the OpenVMS web site and followed a link to obtain3 > PointSecure's Snapshot for OpenVMS VAX and Alpha.c > G > When I download it, I get only a single .EXE and it looks like it mayaF > be some PC archive from what I gathered when dumping the image data.I > It can't be UNZIPped so it's either corrupted or not a ZIP file.  TherenG > is very little information about this product on the PointSecure siteoE > and no information I can find on how it works or how to install it.e > G > Has anybody here used this thing?  How do I install it on the system?:H > It's not of major importantance but I was curious what PointSecure be-- > lieves are security risks on a VMS machine.S   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 06:46:58 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) / Subject: Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility?e3 Message-ID: <khT3mhT+QiOP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A15DEA.F4331C57@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:NY > In article <3DB63CF1.C4726C3E@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes:nR >>I did. It is a Windows program. It is stated somewhere that it allows to analyseQ >>VMS security elemnts and rate them from a PC. You run it from you Lostdows box,wP >>it asks you for the VMS box IP address, for a username and a password, then itM >>does a scan, then it displays the security ranking with a few explanations.   L > Permitting *ANY* PC to connect to my VMS machines, let alone the providingM > a username and password to boot, sounds rather non-"non-intrusive" to me!!!o  C But those of us who do it all from VMS want to charge you money :-)    	www.ljk.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:04:53 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility?I0 Message-ID: <00A15DF3.54B65420@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <khT3mhT+QiOP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:eV >In article <00A15DEA.F4331C57@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:Z >> In article <3DB63CF1.C4726C3E@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes:S >>>I did. It is a Windows program. It is stated somewhere that it allows to analyse-R >>>VMS security elemnts and rate them from a PC. You run it from you Lostdows box,Q >>>it asks you for the VMS box IP address, for a username and a password, then itsN >>>does a scan, then it displays the security ranking with a few explanations. > M >> Permitting *ANY* PC to connect to my VMS machines, let alone the providinghN >> a username and password to boot, sounds rather non-"non-intrusive" to me!!! >iD >But those of us who do it all from VMS want to charge you money :-)  H ... and I'd wager a bet that your software doesn't transmit any security information over TCP/IP.    H I contacted PointSecure some time ago (1 yr. +) asking for demo versionsH of their other products.  Their sales guy was only concern with how manyI copies he might sell.  I told him I couldn't guarantee him even one with-hI out evaluating the product(s) first.  I never got a demo.  If PointSecuretI is not interested in selling their security solutions and they're heading H going down the PC road anyway, software sales prospects look better for 
 you Larry.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM.             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" Y   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:04:55 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility?o0 Message-ID: <00A15DEA.F4331C57@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <3DB63CF1.C4726C3E@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes: Q >I did. It is a Windows program. It is stated somewhere that it allows to analyse P >VMS security elemnts and rate them from a PC. You run it from you Lostdows box,O >it asks you for the VMS box IP address, for a username and a password, then itgL >does a scan, then it displays the security ranking with a few explanations. >a" >Here is the mail I got from them: >  >  >Mr. Morandi,  >aQ >Thank you for your interest in PointSecure's Security Snapshot. Snapshot is a PCo >based tool thatI >connects via a Telnet session to audit 16 critical areas of your OpenVMSt >systems. Within minutes,iH >Snapshot allows security administrators to  non-intrusively measure the >effectiveness ofhN >corporate security and auditing policies against HP's OpenVMS best practices. >Snapshot, a sub-setM >of the reporting capabilities provided by PointAudit, is a free utility that  >provides anW >immediate high-level view of your user profiles, file settings, and system parameters.-    J Permitting *ANY* PC to connect to my VMS machines, let alone the providingK a username and password to boot, sounds rather non-"non-intrusive" to me!!!p  C Seems to me that PointSecure is a PC company if this is the case.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             u5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:31:29 -0400I From: norm.raphael@metso.com/ Subject: Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility?-? Message-ID: <OF600BC732.8811DD5A-ON85256C5B.004A1651@metso.com>m  E IIRC, The demo gives you summary counts of things like usernames withg elevated priviledge andD> files with no UIC in the Authorize File (not very helpful in a! heterogeneous cluster).  You need I the full product to do anything useful or learn very much specific.  I dov not remember it beinge "Cluster-aware."        A Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> on 10/23/2002 02:08:49 AMP  9 Please respond to Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>v   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:.2 Subject:    Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility?    H I did. It is a Windows program. It is stated somewhere that it allows to analyse J VMS security elemnts and rate them from a PC. You run it from you Lostdows box,K it asks you for the VMS box IP address, for a username and a password, thenr itK does a scan, then it displays the security ranking with a few explanations.o  ! Here is the mail I got from them:d     Mr. Morandi,  K Thank you for your interest in PointSecure's Security Snapshot. Snapshot isa a PC based tool that:H connects via a Telnet session to audit 16 critical areas of your OpenVMS systems. Within minutes,G Snapshot allows security administrators to  non-intrusively measure thee effectiveness ofB corporate security and auditing policies against HP's OpenVMS best
 practices. Snapshot, a sub-set7G of the reporting capabilities provided by PointAudit, is a free utilitye that provides anlJ immediate high-level view of your user profiles, file settings, and system parameters.V  I PointSecure understands that knowing whether exposures exist is only halfr of the equation. As aE result, PointAudit is available to provide a full-blown vulnerability  assessment. This powerful,J one-of-a-kind PC based tool provides detailed information and explanations forl all reports,J provides security recommendations and dynamically allows administrators to make
 changes to0 quickly update settings and eliminate exposures.  D Feel free to contact us for more information or to learn about other OpenVMSn security solutions= provided by PointSecure by calling 713-868-1222 or writing atu info@pointsecure.com.p [end of quote]   D.  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >AH > I was looking about the OpenVMS web site and followed a link to obtain3 > PointSecure's Snapshot for OpenVMS VAX and Alpha.  >tG > When I download it, I get only a single .EXE and it looks like it mayeF > be some PC archive from what I gathered when dumping the image data.I > It can't be UNZIPped so it's either corrupted or not a ZIP file.  ThereiG > is very little information about this product on the PointSecure site E > and no information I can find on how it works or how to install it.s > G > Has anybody here used this thing?  How do I install it on the system? H > It's not of major importantance but I was curious what PointSecure be-- > lieves are security risks on a VMS machine.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 08:58:30 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)m/ Subject: Re: Free PointSecure snapshot utility?n3 Message-ID: <kGOm0Rf3kDYU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <OF600BC732.8811DD5A-ON85256C5B.004A1651@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > G > IIRC, The demo gives you summary counts of things like usernames witha > elevated priviledge ande@ > files with no UIC in the Authorize File (not very helpful in a# > heterogeneous cluster).  You neednE > the full product to do anything useful or learn very much specific.4  B That is the general nature of demonstration licenses; to avoid the? situation where you print out all your vulnerabilities and thenrC work on correcting them for the next five years without ever buying,
 a license.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Oct 2002 23:07:57 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)y% Subject: Re: Graphic boards for DS10Lm= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0210222207.25a799a3@posting.google.com>O  C If the S3 card allows you to use the console, it will probably work A with DecWindows as well, although not fast and with 256 colors athF most. That said, you need to install and run DecWindows and you need a license for Motif.  	 Bart Zorni  M Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote in message news:<3DB5D1D2.4060807@srv.net>...hB > I have a change to play with a DS10L for a while, and would like@ > to put a graphic card in it that will work with VMS.  The only@ > list of working cards I've seen is in sales brochures, and I'd@ > prefer to find something cheap (I only have it for a while, so. > don't want to make a substantial investment) > ; > Is there a list somewhere of what graphic cards will workh6 > in a DS10L under VMS, that allow DecWindows to work?A > A random S3 VGA card allows me to use the console/keyboard, butO > it's not even VT100 capable. > B > Is there a list of cards that work? The VMS FAQ that I find only> > talk about older VAX's graphics.  I really like a list I can< > carry with me to look in the stores/used equipment dealers > if possible.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:06:54 -06002 From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> % Subject: Re: Graphic boards for DS10L & Message-ID: <3DB6BB0E.9030508@srv.net>   Bart Zorn wrote:E > If the S3 card allows you to use the console, it will probably workhC > with DecWindows as well, although not fast and with 256 colors atbH > most. That said, you need to install and run DecWindows and you need a > license for Motif.  D Nope. During boot an error message comes up about "no graphic deviceB available", or something similiar.  It does give me a text consoleA though.  I can log in using the keyboard, and see text displayed.1; It has that annoying property of not being "vt100" capable.sA I'll try a couple other cards I have and see if any of them work.iF A card out of a "AS 200 4/100" wouldn't even display the text console.  O > Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote in message news:<3DB5D1D2.4060807@srv.net>...a > B >>I have a change to play with a DS10L for a while, and would like@ >>to put a graphic card in it that will work with VMS.  The only@ >>list of working cards I've seen is in sales brochures, and I'd@ >>prefer to find something cheap (I only have it for a while, so. >>don't want to make a substantial investment) >>; >>Is there a list somewhere of what graphic cards will worke6 >>in a DS10L under VMS, that allow DecWindows to work?A >>A random S3 VGA card allows me to use the console/keyboard, but- >>it's not even VT100 capable. >>B >>Is there a list of cards that work? The VMS FAQ that I find only> >>talk about older VAX's graphics.  I really like a list I can< >>carry with me to look in the stores/used equipment dealers >>if possible. >    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 10:25:47 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: HP - Why isn't this bank using OpenVMS clusters?h3 Message-ID: <ZJuA5jGP0mLR@eisner.encompasserve.org>M  S In article <ur9a0cqrlcnvc9@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes:i  F > If you know what you're doing, you can get by with Unix and not haveH > to worry every year if that's the year the axe falls on future support
 > for VMS.  D     That depends on what you're doing.  UNIX is good enough for most
    things.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:40:57 -0400o2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!- Message-ID: <3DB6A6E9.1414A69@mindspring.com>t   Jerry Leslie wrote:m  0 > JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote:8 > : re: export of USA jobs to China and other countries. > :1G > : Again, as soon as something become commodity, then innovation fallsgI > : in rank, and lower production costs become the priority. That is what I > : happened to residential telephones, calculators, TVs, stereos and nowm  > : starting to happen with PCs. > :h > And software:e >h. >    http://www.nrilinks.com/nrinews/F3118.htm@ >    Network Associates to invest $15 M in India, develop McAfee >oD >   "BANGALORE: Computer security provider Network Associates Inc onI >    Thursday launched its Indian software development centre and said it @ >    plans to invest $15 million in the unit by the end of 2003.A >    The centre will initially develop the firm's flagship McAfeeh >    anti-virus products..."  + The corporations have already exported manya+ (most?) of the high-paying blue-color jobs.f, Now, they're going to do the same thing with! the high-paying white-color jobs.d  - The software engineering community in America-/ has always been a dreadfully Libertarian-biased 6 bunch of folks, certain that their brains would assure3 them a constant flow of work and money. It ought to$2 be interesting to see how the Libertarians respond1 when they find themselves out of work with no one.2 to sue for recourse and the Republican capitalists5 laughing their asses off at how naive all those folks 8 were (after all, at least in the state of New Hampshire,4 many closet-Libertarians routinely vote Republican).  / Since unions have always been right-out in this-0 environment, there are no contracts guaranteeing. anything. Most American software engineers are/ strictly at-will employees. Just ask any former . dot-commer how that worked out! COBRA benefits1 only go as far as you have money to pay for them.t/ Then you're stuck with no health insurance just - like all those folks you used to make fun of.e   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:14:55 -0400'2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!. Message-ID: <3DB6AEDF.46D5C279@mindspring.com>   Atlant Schmidt wrote:k  - > The corporations have already exported many2- > (most?) of the high-paying blue-color jobs.c. > Now, they're going to do the same thing with# > the high-paying white-color jobs.e  + And if you don't believe me, perhaps you'llo believe Morgan Stanley:   A   http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/021023/economy_usa_morganstanley_2.htmlt  3 Then again, we do have national and state electionsb0 coming up on November 5th (Hmm, Guy Fawkes day!)4 so maybe there will be some ch-ch-ch-changes coming!   Atlant   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Oct 2002 16:25:46 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!5 Message-ID: <ap6iia$s577m$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>r  . In article <3DB6AEDF.46D5C279@mindspring.com>,5 	Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:u > Atlant Schmidt wrote:  > . >> The corporations have already exported many. >> (most?) of the high-paying blue-color jobs./ >> Now, they're going to do the same thing witht$ >> the high-paying white-color jobs. > - > And if you don't believe me, perhaps you'lls > believe Morgan Stanley:  > C >   http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/021023/economy_usa_morganstanley_2.htmls > 5 > Then again, we do have national and state electionse2 > coming up on November 5th (Hmm, Guy Fawkes day!)6 > so maybe there will be some ch-ch-ch-changes coming! >   < And what does that have to do with it??  I don't believe any@ corporate heads wil be included in the ballot.  And if you think? that somehow voting in Democrats is going to reverse the trend,>? you need to study history, politics and law.  History will showeC that this trend goes back to before the Bush White House.  PoliticshC will show that the Democrats provide a very hostile environment fortB business giving them even more incentive to take their business toI countries who by their sheer ineffectiveness cause much less interferencetL in business.  And law will show that there is absolutely no constitutionallyJ legal method the government can use to forcibly stop this trend.  The onlyF thing they can do is provide an environment that is conducive to doingI business and making a profit.  The current labor and litigation situation1) in the US does not meet those conditions.e   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   m   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:09:30 GMT.1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)C@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!< Message-ID: <_Qzt9.200119$Fw2.5524286@twister.austin.rr.com>  3 Atlant Schmidt (atlantnospam@mindspring.com) wrote:s : - : The corporations have already exported many - : (most?) of the high-paying blue-color jobs.a. : Now, they're going to do the same thing with# : the high-paying white-color jobs.s : / : The software engineering community in Americav1 : has always been a dreadfully Libertarian-biased 8 : bunch of folks, certain that their brains would assure5 : them a constant flow of work and money. It ought to54 : be interesting to see how the Libertarians respond3 : when they find themselves out of work with no one 4 : to sue for recourse and the Republican capitalists7 : laughing their asses off at how naive all those folks : : were (after all, at least in the state of New Hampshire,6 : many closet-Libertarians routinely vote Republican).  A John Miano, the founder of the Programmers Guild commented about h> the nature of the occupation in his announcement of giving up 2 programming and attending law school, message-ID:   :    <vaN69.3838$I6.309067@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  A    "...Programming has never become a profession. The programmer cB     attitude towards politics and collective action can be summed /     up as "Thank you sir. May I have another." -  C     Programmers occassionally squeal over issues like DMCA, UCITA, rF     the Hollings Copy Protection and even H-1B. So far they have done E     nothing more than  squeal. It's likely there will be legislation  H     that it will make it nearly impossible to distribute free software,      such as Linux. A  G     Not only are programmers apathetic, there is even a small but very hH     vocal minority who would undermine the rest of them. If you've ever J     seen the movie Airport (or even better described in the novel), these G     are the folks who are like the guy who takes the bomb from Captain  I     Demerest and returns it to the bomber; the contrarians. They have to  +     be on the other side of every issue...".   : 1 : Since unions have always been right-out in this 2 : environment, there are no contracts guaranteeing : anything.  :o  B Surprisingly, it's is more hazardous to one's job to unionize now @ than it was during the 1950s, when unions were much more active:  2    http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0823-02.htm"    What About Corporate Terrorism?&                                       I   "...According to Senate testimony from Kenneth Roth, whose Human Rightso@    Watch group two years ago documented "widespread labor rightsI    violations" in the United States, in the 1950s a few hundred workers ahF    year were fired - illegally - for trying to organize unions. But inC    1998 - despite a much lower level of union organizing activity -gB    24,000 workers lost their jobs just because they were trying toF    exercise their internationally guaranteed freedom to associate with    other workers on the job..." &                                        : C : Most American software engineers are strictly at-will employees. aD : Just ask any former dot-commer how that worked out! COBRA benefitsF : only go as far as you have money to pay for them. Then you're stuck F : with no health insurance just like all those folks you used to make 	 : fun of.d :   C Fortunately, I have medical insurance as a early retiree of an oil s company.  2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailC8   "unemployed sysadmin -- future fast-food specialist ?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:18:42 GMTd1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) @ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!< Message-ID: <CZzt9.179491$8o3.5384326@twister.austin.rr.com>  3 Atlant Schmidt (atlantnospam@mindspring.com) wrote:t : Atlant Schmidt wrote:  : / : > The corporations have already exported many-/ : > (most?) of the high-paying blue-color jobs.00 : > Now, they're going to do the same thing with% : > the high-paying white-color jobs.  : - : And if you don't believe me, perhaps you'll  : believe Morgan Stanley:n : C :   http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/021023/economy_usa_morganstanley_2.htmlg : 5 : Then again, we do have national and state elections 2 : coming up on November 5th (Hmm, Guy Fawkes day!)6 : so maybe there will be some ch-ch-ch-changes coming! :   G   "America's freedom rests on five boxes: the Soapbox, the Ballot box, .G    the Jury box, the Witness box, and the Ammo box."  --Militia Proverb2  C The election process is probably too slow to stop the offshore job  A relocations, especially since most people are unaware of offshorea+ job relocations, as well as H-1B/L-1 visas.n  2 Or worse, think they're the "free" market at work.  A The judicial system might be fast enough, assuming a judge would B! honor a request for an injuction.   G The government has NO agency mandated to track offshore job relocations9! and their impact on tax revenues.     2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:44:15 +01001' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy @ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!. Message-ID: <3DB6D1DF.3050204@nospamn.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:4 > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message' > <3DB55BDB.8060907@nospamn.sun.com>...  > 8 > Do you really believe (or read) any of what you write? >   2 Of course, what about you ? Your lack of an actual/ response in this thread except to start callingt) me names tends to suggest that you don't.s  0 In fact its rather difficult to work out exactly0 what you beleive and know because in most of the, discussions we have had ranging from SPEC to+ Sun/HP's numbers you have resorted to abuse 0 just at the point where you were going to reveal, your understanding or otherwise of the topic under discussion.   ! This thread is a perfect example.k   Regardsb Andrew Harrison]   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:56:04 -0400p2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!. Message-ID: <3DB6D4A4.C02262E4@mindspring.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  > >         Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:7 > > Then again, we do have national and state electionsc4 > > coming up on November 5th (Hmm, Guy Fawkes day!)8 > > so maybe there will be some ch-ch-ch-changes coming! > >] >e> > And what does that have to do with it??  I don't believe anyB > corporate heads wil be included in the ballot.  And if you thinkA > that somehow voting in Democrats is going to reverse the trend,aA > you need to study history, politics and law.  History will show E > that this trend goes back to before the Bush White House.  Politics E > will show that the Democrats provide a very hostile environment for D > business giving them even more incentive to take their business toK > countries who by their sheer ineffectiveness cause much less interference N > in business.  And law will show that there is absolutely no constitutionallyL > legal method the government can use to forcibly stop this trend.  The onlyH > thing they can do is provide an environment that is conducive to doingK > business and making a profit.  The current labor and litigation situationv+ > in the US does not meet those conditions.   6 Actually, there's a ton-and-a-half that the governmentA can legally do to improve our lot in life. Here are a few things:   4   o Re-institute the Fairness Doctrine. Remember the<      Fairness Doctrine, where a medium couldn't editorialize8      about something or someone without giving the other:      side the chance to respond? The complete dominance of=      the American public media by the Right Wing is, in largeS7      part, a direct outgrowth of Reagan eliminating thet1      Fairness Doctrine. (Reagan -- What a shock!)o  7   o Repeal the regulatory changes that made it possibleJ6      for a very few companies to own essentially *ALL*:      of the US media. That is the other cause of the Right;      Wing's domination of the media. Considering just threee2      corporations (AOL/Time/Warner, Murdoch's News8      Corp, and Capital Cities/ABC/Disney, you've already7      got the majority of the media. Add in GE-owned NBCt6      (Famous Jack Welch quote to NBC on Election Night4      2000: "How Much Would I Have to Pay You to Call4      the race for Bush?") and GE/MS-owned MSNBC, and6      you've got essentially *ALL* broadcast news media;      in the United States, excepting only Sumner Redstone'sn6      Viacom, owner of CBS. BTW, Michael Powell, son of8      Colin Powell, as chairman of the FCC is responsible5      for the latest regulatory changes allowing mediaw      concentration.   3   o Stop dumbing-down America. We're a country that <      toadies to the Religious Fanatics, only ours *CLAIM* to<      be Christian. And they're busy trying to destroy public:      schools and, in the meantime, make them teach a bunch;      of drivel like Creationism. Meanwhile, the rest of thed6      world is teaching Science. Is it any wonder we're,      turning into an intellectual backwater?  8   o Stop spending so aggressively on the Military budget>      ($400 million this year, larger than the next 25 nations'8      military expenditures *COMBINED*). Spend instead on      technology R&D.  :   o Stop being the worlds largest Oil Hog. Our regulations;      have for years emphasized the profits of oil companiesc8      over the good of the world *AND* our own interests.:      Regulation needlessly favored SUVs to the point where<      they are now 17% of the "car" market, struggling to get9      their 20.5 Miles-per-Gallon and killing an estimatedr:      3,000 people per year beyond what cars would kill. We:      wouldn't be in the Middle-Eastern mess we're in if we;      didn't need to be in bed with Saudi Arabia and lustingt&      after Saddam Hussein's oil wells.  :   o Re-start the fusion energy programs. Curiously enough,9      these essentially disappeared when we had Republicanj0      Presidents (oilmen and friends of oil men).  :   o Re-start other alternative, renewable energy programs.>      Wind, solar, hydropower, geothermal energy, tidal energy,:      wave energy all deserve renewed funding. Do you think      $400 billion might help?   9   o Stop corporate fraud. Halliburton (Cheney) and Harkine>      Energy (Bush) ought to be prosecuted. Think it'll happen?  3   o Come up with a workable law covering modern-dayo8      Intellectual Property, and stop fooling around with6      ridiculous measures like the DMCA and the several3      misfires at regulating "indecency" on the web.r  6   o Provide national health care. People will have the7      actual ability to shop for jobs only when they cand8      be sure that they won't lose health coverage in the
      process.n    5 All of these are possible and legal, but don't expectf the Corporate Party to do them.s  4 Real change begins with voting a straight Democratic ticket on Novermber 5th!   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:10:15 GMTt1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) @ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!< Message-ID: <XJAt9.198078$121.5555811@twister.austin.rr.com>  ) Bill Gunshannon (bill@cs.uofs.edu) wrote: 0 : In article <3DB6AEDF.46D5C279@mindspring.com>,7 : 	Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:u : > Atlant Schmidt wrote:h : > 0 : >> The corporations have already exported many0 : >> (most?) of the high-paying blue-color jobs.1 : >> Now, they're going to do the same thing withn& : >> the high-paying white-color jobs. : > / : > And if you don't believe me, perhaps you'llt : > believe Morgan Stanley:a : > E : >   http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/021023/economy_usa_morganstanley_2.htmln : > 7 : > Then again, we do have national and state elections 4 : > coming up on November 5th (Hmm, Guy Fawkes day!)8 : > so maybe there will be some ch-ch-ch-changes coming! : >  : > : And what does that have to do with it??  I don't believe anyB : corporate heads wil be included in the ballot.  And if you thinkA : that somehow voting in Democrats is going to reverse the trend,oA : you need to study history, politics and law.  History will show E : that this trend goes back to before the Bush White House.  PoliticsoE : will show that the Democrats provide a very hostile environment forzD : business giving them even more incentive to take their business to? : countries who by their sheer ineffectiveness cause much less t : interference in business.  F :HE There is only one party, the Big Money Party, or the Property Party, s as Thomas Ferguson calls it:  ?      http://www.discovereconomics.com/bookstore/economicpolicy/-      0226243168AMUS177486.shtmlS  K   Golden Rule : The Investment Theory of Party Competition and the Logic ofaJ   Money-Driven Political Systems (American Politics and Political Economy)&                                       -                               Thomas FergusonC&                                       F      "To discover who rules, follow the gold." This is the argument ofC      Golden Rule, a provocative, pungent history of modern AmericantF      politics. Although the role big money plays in defining politicalG      outcomes has long been obvious to ordinary Americans, most punditsnC      and scholars have virtually dismissed this assumption. Even in @      light of skyrocketing campaign costs, the belief that majorE      financial interests primarily determine who parties nominate andtC      where they stand on the issues--that, in effect, Democrats andtE      Republicans are merely the left and right wings of the "PropertytD      Party"--has been ignored by most political scientists. OfferingF      evidence ranging from the nineteenth century to the 1994 mid-termG      elections, Golden Rule shows that voters are "right on the money."       vF      Thomas Ferguson breaks completely with traditional voter centeredH      accounts of party politics. In its place he outlines an "investmentD      approach," in which powerful investors, not unorganized voters,E      dominate campaigns and elections. Because businesses "invest" inbB      political parties and their candidates, changes in industrialF      structures--between large firms and sectors--can alter the agenda9      of party politics and the shape of public policy..."l  J A good example of this is the passage of S 2045: American Competitiveness G in the Twenty-first Century Act of 2000 by a 96 to 1 vote, and that wasi cast by Senator Hollings.a  J That bill increased the number of H-1B visas from 115,000 in fiscal 2000, K to 195,000 annually for fiscal 2001-2003. It also excluded foreign workers  M from the ban if they work for government or nonprofit research organizations lI and those who have recently obtained a master's degree or higher at a US c college or university.     :dG : And law will show that there is absolutely no constitutionally legal r> : method the government can use to forcibly stop this trend.   :r  D National security ?  That's the justification to keep the U.S. steel industry protected by tariffs.   : I : The only thing they can do is provide an environment that is conducive tK : to doing business and making a profit.  The current labor and litigation s5 : situation in the US does not meet those conditions.- :   H The so-called corporate welfare programs that aid and abet the offshore I job relocations, such as the Export-Import Bank and the Overseas Private s: Investment Corporation (OPIC) can most certainly be ended:  '     http://www.progress.org/corpw30.htmV9     Congressman Sanders on US Corporate Welfare GiveawaysC:     The Export-Import Bank: Corporate Welfare At Its Worst       H    "...The great irony of Ex-Im policy is not just that taxpayer supportG     goes to wealthy and profitable corporations that don't need it, but F     that in the name of "job creation" a substantial amount of federalE     funding goes to precisely those corporations that are eliminatingiD     hundreds of thousands of American jobs. In other words, AmericanE     workers are providing funding to companies that are shutting downr@     the plants in which they work, and are moving them to China,E     Mexico, Vietnam and wherever else they can find cheap labor. Whatk     a deal!-      -C     For example, General Electric has received over $2.5 billion inmF     direct loans and loan guarantees from the Ex-Im Bank. And what wasG     the result? From 1975-1995 GE reduced its workforce from 667,000 to+G     398,000, a decline of 269,000 jobs. In fact, while taking the Ex-ImrF     Bank subsidies, GE was extremely public about it's "globalization"B     plans to lay off American workers and move jobs to Third WorldC     countries. Jack Welch, the longtime CEO of GE stated, "Ideally,d/     you'd have every plant you own on a barge."s      lE     General Motors has received over $500 million in direct loans andyC     loan guarantees from the Export-Import Bank. The result? GM hase6     shrunk its U.S. workforce from 559,000 to 314,000.      sF     Motorola has received almost $500 million in direct loans and loanG     subsidies from the Ex-Im Bank. The result? A mere 56 percent of its 2     workforce is now located in the United States.      mC     In fact, according to Time Magazine, the top five recipients ofmE     Ex-Im subsidies over the past decade have reduced their workforce F     by 38% - more than a third of a million jobs down the drain. TheseA     same five companies have received more than 60 percent of allt$     Export-Import Bank subsidies..."  G Congressman Sanders and Congressman Ron Paul have called for the end ofe= the Export-Import Bank, and cite that it is unconstitutional:   A     http://bernie.house.gov/documents/releases/20020605132616.asp ?     Sanders Leads Opposition to Export-Import Corporate Welfaref     >     http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr050102.htm;     Statement Opposing Export-Import Bank Corporate Welfareo      "Congressman Ron Paul!     U.S. House of Representatives      May 1, 2002-    -;     Statement Opposing Export-Import Bank Corporate Welfaree    mJ     Mr. Chairman, we are here today to reauthorize the Export-Import Bank,J     but it has nothing to do with a bank, do not mislead anybody. This hasC     to do with an agency of the government that allocates credit to J     special interests and to the benefit of foreign entities. So it is notG     a bank in that sense. To me it is immoral in the fact that it takesyJ     from some who cannot defend themselves to give to the rich who get theJ     benefits. And I just do not see that as being a very good function andG     a very good program for the U.S. Congress. Besides, I would like to F     see where somebody gives me the constitutional authority for doingJ     what we do here and we have been doing, of course, for a long time..."    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailo   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 10:21:31 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)S Subject: Re: HP webpage sizing3 Message-ID: <OStD8m2g+JnQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  U In article <5eeqyp8YvgYy@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:rK > It is an extremely annoying problem, not only restricted to the hp/Compaqn > site.y  G    Yeah, I know.  We had a contract with the Itailan space agency once.uC    Everything looked fine until they ran a copy of the software andu     tried to print reports on A4.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:54:23 +0100(' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy ) Subject: Re: java on VMS - help requested". Message-ID: <3DB6D43F.2050904@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:k > In article <3DB43FB2.E5C30DE1@swissonline.delete.ch>, John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> writes:C > J >>If HP is serious about java on VMS then perhaps they should write a bookB >>or at least some decent documentation about the whole e-business& >>subject.  How about it you HP guys ? >  > H >    Why?  I just use Sun's Java documentation.  You want an HP label on >    the front of that?e >     4 HP do have their own VM called Chai, they made quite: wide reaching claims for it when the project was announced0 but it seems to have turned into an embedded VM.   Regardsi Andrew Harrisonr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:54:13 +0200s3 From: Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de> * Subject: Re: Jpeg librar y for Imagemagick0 Message-ID: <3DB655A5.2010906@iaf.fraunhofer.de>   James Gessling wrote:o  B > Where can I get this?  I've built Imagemagick fine but need this% > library for processing jpeg images.t >  > Any pointers appreciated.i >w > Jime >x >n/ I got my jpeg, zlib and libpng libraries from:  ^ ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/ghost/aladdin/gs650/ which are needed by ghostscript too.e Jouk Jansen is supporting ImageMagick for OpenVMS, see: ftp://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/ for all m necessary patches.     Regards, Theo   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Oct 2002 14:18:50 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Multia help neededc5 Message-ID: <ap6b49$rj8gt$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>t  , In article <ap2dno$6dh$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>,. 	"Joe Heimann" <heimann@ecs.umass.edu> writes: > 0 > How much is too much to pay for your budget?    D Budget??  Where do you think the money for this is coming from??  MyI "budget" is whatever I find left in my pocket at the end of a pay period.o Trust me, it ain't much.  K >                                              I buy most of my memory fromeL > Data Memory Systems, www.datamem.com, and they list 32 MB parity SIMMs forJ > $15 each.  The 64 MB ones do get pricey at $89 or $139 depending on how J > many chips they are made of.  They are fairly knowledgable on memory forC > non-PC or Mac use, so may be able to help find compatible memory.r  I Other than the likelihood that they would be expensive (I have never seeneG anyone selling Mac stuff that wasn't) when I first got this box I tried E ordering memory for it from "real" companies.  They would gladly take E the order and when you started making inquiries weeks later about whylJ it hadn't arrived you find out no one has any, but if they ever get enoughJ orders maybe they'll get some in.  Say what you will about comodity parts, at least you can find them.r   bill   -- .J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 06:47:53 -07002 From: johan.nilsson@esrange.ssc.se (Johan Nilsson)  Subject: Multicast, UCX, OpenVMS= Message-ID: <c3c6388a.0210230547.5eda2135@posting.google.com>K   Hi,n  F I seem to be incabable of gettings multicasting to work properly underD OpenVMS. I'm running DEC C++ 6.5, UCX 4.1 and OpenVMS Alpha 7.1 (seeD simple program attached demonstrating the problem). As soon as I try; to use setsockopt, specifying any multicast-related option:sF IP_MULTICAST_TTL/_LOOP/_IF, IP_ADD/DROP_MEMBERSHIP I get the errorcode* "%SYSTEM-?-BADPARAM, bad parameter value".  C I've tried to use the corresponding UCX$C_xxx constants in place ofrE the above, but then I instead get an occasional "%SYSTEM-S-BADATTRIB,iD bad attribute control list" in addition to some of the above errors.   What am I doing wrong?   // Johan   --- mctest.cpp ---   #include <errno.h> #include <in.h>  #include <inet.h>- #include <socket.h>  #include <stdio.h>  
 int main() {t3 	int fd = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, IPPROTO_UDP);a 	if (-1 == fd) 	{$ 		perror("Failed to create socket"); 	} 	. 	u_char ttl = 1;= 	if (-1 == setsockopt(fd, IPPROTO_IP, IP_MULTICAST_TTL, &ttl,r
 sizeof(ttl)))d 	{( 		perror("Failed to set multicast ttl"); 	} a  = 	ip_mreq mreq = { inet_addr("224.100.100.100"), INADDR_ANY };o? 	if (-1 == setsockopt(fd, IPPROTO_IP, IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP, &mreq,v sizeof(mreq))) 	{+ 		perror("Failed to join multicast group");a 	} c 	g 	return errno;	D }L   --- end mctest.cpp ---   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:13:53 -0500t' From: Shawn <shawnm@cotepe.carenet.org>r9 Subject: Need Help really Quick Please: 10/23/02 Noon CSTh8 Message-ID: <v2mdruscbljdhatln3bp32il0f62j2vbnl@4ax.com>  D I know there is a command to re-direct the output of an Alpha ServerD running OpenVMS 7.2-1 to a VT Terminal on the Com Ports, rather than* the monitor attached to the Graphics Card.  D Can someone please tell me this command and can it be done while the= system is running or do I need to do this at the Boot Prompt.o   Thanks,g   Shawn    sfm1115@bjc.orgt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:19:53 -0700p$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>= Subject: RE: Need Help really Quick Please: 10/23/02 Noon CSTd0 Message-ID: <01C27A7D.DBEF9F10@sulfer.icius.com>  F I believe it's "SET CONSOLE SERIAL" issued at the dead sergeant prompt ">>>".   Shane    -----Original Message-----. From: Shawn [mailto:shawnm@cotepe.carenet.org]* Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:14 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi9 Subject: Need Help really Quick Please: 10/23/02 Noon CSTi    D I know there is a command to re-direct the output of an Alpha ServerD running OpenVMS 7.2-1 to a VT Terminal on the Com Ports, rather than* the monitor attached to the Graphics Card.  D Can someone please tell me this command and can it be done while the= system is running or do I need to do this at the Boot Prompt.n   Thanks,o   Shawna   sfm1115@bjc.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:32:20 -0500t' From: Shawn <shawnm@cotepe.carenet.org>@= Subject: Re: Need Help really Quick Please: 10/23/02 Noon CSTw8 Message-ID: <a8ndruotv8aqev61nqc1dso4qiq3tcl6tb@4ax.com>  C Thank you for your response that was the command I was looking for.a     Shawn   B On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:19:53 -0700, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:  G >I believe it's "SET CONSOLE SERIAL" issued at the dead sergeant prompth >">>>".a >r >Shane >  >-----Original Message-----r/ >From: Shawn [mailto:shawnm@cotepe.carenet.org]S+ >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:14 AMa >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: >Subject: Need Help really Quick Please: 10/23/02 Noon CST >  > E >I know there is a command to re-direct the output of an Alpha ServeriE >running OpenVMS 7.2-1 to a VT Terminal on the Com Ports, rather than + >the monitor attached to the Graphics Card.- >-E >Can someone please tell me this command and can it be done while the > >system is running or do I need to do this at the Boot Prompt. >  >Thanks, >e >Shawn >Z >sfm1115@bjc.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:24:05 +0200<6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGn) Message-ID: <3DB64085.2070000@vajhoej.dk>    Mark Buda wrote:  < > "Carlos Costa" <carlos.costa@datawest.ca> wrote in message9 > news:7edc7395.0210220742.6bd0ce68@posting.google.com...-F >>This problem is also disconcerting because 7.3-1 has, in HP/Compaq's@ >>own words, "100% binary compatibility with previous versions". > I > Does CSWING use all public interfaces or CMKRNL to interrogate internal@ > data structures?  ; Since CSWING is a file-manager, then I find it very hard toa. believe that it uses internal data structures.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:27:11 +0200n6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING ) Message-ID: <3DB6413F.1030003@vajhoej.dk>t   Rob Brooks wrote:   = >  "Carlos Costa" <carlos.costa@datawest.ca> wrote in messageh9 >>news:7edc7395.0210220742.6bd0ce68@posting.google.com...oF >>This problem is also disconcerting because 7.3-1 has, in HP/Compaq's@ >>own words, "100% binary compatibility with previous versions".    M > I've seen this problem discussed on our internal Notes system.  The problemnG > *appears* to be a poorly-written application with some rather glaringiK > coding errors.  That it worked at all in the past is somewhat surprising.h  6 CSWING has worked for thosands of people for many many years.  0 So it is a surprise if it breaks with VMS 7.3-1.  ( I assume it was developed for VAX C 3.2.  + Which may explain at least some things thati look weird today.a   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:30:27 +1000 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>y% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGo* Message-ID: <3DB66C33.50407@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Arne Vajhj wrote: > Mark Buda wrote: > = >> "Carlos Costa" <carlos.costa@datawest.ca> wrote in messageo: >> news:7edc7395.0210220742.6bd0ce68@posting.google.com... >>H >>> This problem is also disconcerting because 7.3-1 has, in HP/Compaq'sB >>> own words, "100% binary compatibility with previous versions". >> >>J >> Does CSWING use all public interfaces or CMKRNL to interrogate internal >> data structures?l >  > = > Since CSWING is a file-manager, then I find it very hard to 0 > believe that it uses internal data structures. >  > Arne  G I agree with Arne.  I looked at the code several years ago and haven't u  done anything than use it since.  F It uses SMG and simple file management code.  It is run on our system G from the most banal (in the sense of privileges) accounts.  Nothing is  C installed with/without privileges.  It's just a process executable.5  H The original code was written in Fortran.  I forget who changed it to C I and I forget the current maintainers.  Regardless, they are names that I ,F know I have encountered elsewhere in the VMS world and the person who = said that it was poorly written and should never have worked  I (paraphrasing) is denigrating some people who, IIRC, have helped to make l the VMS world a better place.   E Perhaps Carlos or anyone else who uses CSWING and has moved to 7.3-1 aE should investigate this and help the maintainers, though CSWING does a) seem to be in a sort of maintenance mode.e  D I am unlikely to move from 7.3 in the near future, but when I do, I @ shall certainly check/debug this if I have not seen any upgrade.  C Perhaps the denigrator might like to check all the other code that 6I enthusiasts have ported to VMS to try to give us a better environment in mG line with what people are saying that VMS does not have.  No doubt not yG written to his high standards, and I'm sure he can find fault with the h( code that I write to earn a few dollars.   Regards, Paddy        G ***********************************************************************o  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegeda> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisedB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.m  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the n= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with oC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usess> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:05:28 +0200c, From: "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net>% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGo5 Message-ID: <ap5vpj$s5f81$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>   D "Paddy O'Brien" <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> schrieb im Newsbeitrag$ news:3DB66C33.50407@tg.nsw.gov.au...I > The original code was written in Fortran.  I forget who changed it to Ca' > and I forget the current maintainers.s  L It apparently was John E.Davis (found in main.c), but it is no longer on hisH homepage (http://space.mit.edu/~davis/index.html). Modifications made byE Foteos Macrides (http://www.ku.edu/cwis/people/Foteos.Macrides.html).    -- Regards, Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:17:07 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING,; Message-ID: <01KO0BQN4JW89QXTOZ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>h  J > It apparently was John E.Davis (found in main.c), but it is no longer on9 > his homepage (http://space.mit.edu/~davis/index.html). l  I A quick glance didn't find it, but I think his JED editor will allow one d% EDT-like features on other platforms.t  ' > Modifications made by Foteos Macridest8 > (http://www.ku.edu/cwis/people/Foteos.Macrides.html).   
 of LYNX fame.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 08:20:02 -0700- From: carlos.costa@datawest.ca (Carlos Costa)s% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGi= Message-ID: <7edc7395.0210230720.7b424eb4@posting.google.com>e  m "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com> wrote in message news:<N0gt9.22$oF.272542@news.cpqcorp.net>...g< > "Carlos Costa" <carlos.costa@datawest.ca> wrote in message9 > news:7edc7395.0210220742.6bd0ce68@posting.google.com...o > H > > This problem is also disconcerting because 7.3-1 has, in HP/Compaq'sB > > own words, "100% binary compatibility with previous versions". > I > Does CSWING use all public interfaces or CMKRNL to interrogate internals > data structures? >  > mark  F Unfortunately, although I know C, I have not programmed much under VMSC to be able to answer you fully. But, maybe if I explain what I haveiB found, more knowledgable people may see something. I have tried to@ debug the code, and have found that the problem is in a functionE called "get_dirs()" in the file SWING.C. This function is recursivelyr( called to scan through a directory tree.  @ What happens is that when the scan hits the last leaf, it loops,@ always returning that directory name. For example, if I have the following structure:   [COSTA} --- BIN --- TOOLSc	         |          --- COM --- UTIL   E then get_dirs() will get COSTA, BIN, TOOLS, then TOOLS, TOOLS, TOOLS,i, ... forever. it never goes back up the tree.  0 The actual call to VMS to read the directory is:           status = sys$qiow(0,"                           channel,%                           IO$_ACCESS,m#                           &iosb[0],m                           0,                           0,$                           &fib_desc,-                           DSC1(dir_template), '                           &file_length, *                           DSCA1(filename),                           acb,                           0);   !         if (status != SS$_NORMAL)aC             panic(status,"io$_access directory lookup","get dirs");1(         if (iosb[0] == SS$_NOMOREFILES){:             fprintf(fcac,"after sys$qiow, NOMOREFILES\n");             return(TRUE); 	         }c   Carlos   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:07:14 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGe5 Message-ID: <231020021107038961%paul.anderson@hp.com>a  D In article <7edc7395.0210220742.6bd0ce68@posting.google.com>, Carlos' Costa <carlos.costa@datawest.ca> wrote:n  F > However, in 7.3-1 CSWING no longer works (it does under 7.3-0). WhenC > it goes to search a new directory tree it goes off to never-never  > land.y  G It was mentioned in one of the internal Notes conferences that there isyG a coding error in CSWING that causes this problem.  Specifically, thereuE is an unitialized character array being used as a string descriptor. - The example given was:  !    dsc$w_length = strlen( str ) ;   C I am the second-hand messenger and cannot vouch for the accuracy of @ this bug report, as I don't use CSWING and haven't seen the code myself.2   Paul   -- n  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringm   Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 08:31:49 -0700- From: carlos.costa@datawest.ca (Carlos Costa)o% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGt= Message-ID: <7edc7395.0210230731.21f37cdd@posting.google.com>   d brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote in message news:<mSwf4cPKYSVv@cuebid.zko.dec.com>...< > "Carlos Costa" <carlos.costa@datawest.ca> wrote in message; > > news:7edc7395.0210220742.6bd0ce68@posting.google.com...v > > H > > This problem is also disconcerting because 7.3-1 has, in HP/Compaq'sB > > own words, "100% binary compatibility with previous versions". > F > Are you the person who contacted the support centre?  If so, did you  > get a response to your report? > M > I've seen this problem discussed on our internal Notes system.  The problemiG > *appears* to be a poorly-written application with some rather glaringBK > coding errors.  That it worked at all in the past is somewhat surprising.i  E If only one person put in a call, then, yes, that was me. There's twos things here.  C 1) Even if the code is poorly written (I'm not a judge of that as IeF have not done much VMS C programming), I still don't understand why itE would break under VMS 7.3-1 and not 7.3-0. When I upgraded from 7.1-2 B to 7.3-0, at that point I would have expected something to perhapsE break, but 7.3-0 to 7.3-1 is supposed be 100% compatible. Page 1-3 ofu# the release notes say, and I quote,   9 "Compaq is confident that the new release has 100% binarym: compatibility with the previous release. If an applicationE compatibility problem is discovered, Compaq will assign the problem a F high priority and commit to providing a fix. There is no need for ISVs= to test on the new release or produce a new application kit."h  B So, as I read it, Compaq is committing to get CSWING to work underB 7.3-1, but I have not heard much from my TAM on the subject except/ that he put in a question to Engineering on it.s  F 2) Would you be willing to share what you have found in the code so itD could be improved? You know, CSWING and programs like it (FLIST) areB so useful in a VMS environmen that I think HP/Compaq should really have something like them.    Carlos   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 08:44:20 -0700- From: carlos.costa@datawest.ca (Carlos Costa)<% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGR= Message-ID: <7edc7395.0210230744.2f4fdb88@posting.google.com>-  c Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote in message news:<3DB66C33.50407@tg.nsw.gov.au>...p > Arne Vajhj wrote: > > Mark Buda wrote: > > ? > >> "Carlos Costa" <carlos.costa@datawest.ca> wrote in message < > >> news:7edc7395.0210220742.6bd0ce68@posting.google.com... > >>J > >>> This problem is also disconcerting because 7.3-1 has, in HP/Compaq'sD > >>> own words, "100% binary compatibility with previous versions". > >> > >>L > >> Does CSWING use all public interfaces or CMKRNL to interrogate internal > >> data structures?c > >  > > ? > > Since CSWING is a file-manager, then I find it very hard toh2 > > believe that it uses internal data structures. > >  > > Arne > I > I agree with Arne.  I looked at the code several years ago and haven't e" > done anything than use it since. > H > It uses SMG and simple file management code.  It is run on our system I > from the most banal (in the sense of privileges) accounts.  Nothing is hE > installed with/without privileges.  It's just a process executable.n > J > The original code was written in Fortran.  I forget who changed it to C K > and I forget the current maintainers.  Regardless, they are names that I  H > know I have encountered elsewhere in the VMS world and the person who ? > said that it was poorly written and should never have worked  K > (paraphrasing) is denigrating some people who, IIRC, have helped to make   > the VMS world a better place.i > G > Perhaps Carlos or anyone else who uses CSWING and has moved to 7.3-1 oG > should investigate this and help the maintainers, though CSWING does e+ > seem to be in a sort of maintenance mode.i > ...S > Regards, Paddy  B I have tried to get hold of the maintainers. There are a couple ofC names listed in the readme files. Both the addresses bounced, but I F was able to get hold of Harry Flowers through another address. He saidD that he is no longer maintaining the CSWING, so I don't know who is.) If there is someone, could they speak up?h  E Harry did wonder, though, if I was using the now filesystem, ODS5, asCD he was pretty certain that CSWING would not work with it. I am *not*C using ODS5, but his comment got me to thinking that perhaps that is B where the problem in VMS lies. Whatever they put into VMS for ODS5@ perhaps is not 100% binary compatible with 7.3-0. This has wider= implications than just CSWING. What else isn't going to work?d  D Harry also said that VMS has speeded up the file internals that madeD reading the filesystem directory necessary in CSWING, and he thought> that it would be an idea for someone to re-write the directoryB searching code (in get_dirs() on SWING.C) to use the improved fileD lookup calls. Any willing VMS C programmers out there? It would be a# great service to the VMS community.'  : At any rate, I will keep you all informed of what happens.   Carlos   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:40:25 -0400o& From: "DAniel Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>% Subject: RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGt: Message-ID: <BCEGLBGJDODLELBJIADKEEOKCBAA.dallen@nist.gov>  9 	The status checking in this code snippet is not correct:a  G 	1)  The QIO status should check not for SS$_NORMAL but any error valuenC 	2)  After the IOSB check for SS$_NOMOREFILES you need to check forsC 	    any other error conditions.  This is probably the cause of thes 	    your problem.  H 	This is not an issue with the OS version per se.  This type of specificH 	error checking is simply poor coding which manifests itself when the OSA 	or run-time environment generates a new/unexpected error status.k   	Dan  ? "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com> wrote in messagel- news:<N0gt9.22$oF.272542@news.cpqcorp.net>...s< > "Carlos Costa" <carlos.costa@datawest.ca> wrote in message9 > news:7edc7395.0210220742.6bd0ce68@posting.google.com...  > H > > This problem is also disconcerting because 7.3-1 has, in HP/Compaq'sB > > own words, "100% binary compatibility with previous versions". >rI > Does CSWING use all public interfaces or CMKRNL to interrogate internalr > data structures? >  > mark  F Unfortunately, although I know C, I have not programmed much under VMSC to be able to answer you fully. But, maybe if I explain what I haverB found, more knowledgable people may see something. I have tried to@ debug the code, and have found that the problem is in a functionE called "get_dirs()" in the file SWING.C. This function is recursivelyf( called to scan through a directory tree.  @ What happens is that when the scan hits the last leaf, it loops,@ always returning that directory name. For example, if I have the following structure:   [COSTA} --- BIN --- TOOLSl	         |          --- COM --- UTIL  E then get_dirs() will get COSTA, BIN, TOOLS, then TOOLS, TOOLS, TOOLS,e+ .. forever. it never goes back up the tree.o  0 The actual call to VMS to read the directory is:           status = sys$qiow(0,"                           channel,%                           IO$_ACCESS,e#                           &iosb[0],m                           0,                           0,$                           &fib_desc,-                           DSC1(dir_template),5'                           &file_length,h*                           DSCA1(filename),                           acb,                           0);n  !         if (status != SS$_NORMAL) C             panic(status,"io$_access directory lookup","get dirs");r(         if (iosb[0] == SS$_NOMOREFILES){:             fprintf(fcac,"after sys$qiow, NOMOREFILES\n");             return(TRUE);i	         }l   Carlos   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 11:47:50 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)m% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGh3 Message-ID: <otZwdeje4IaE@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  b In article <3DB6413F.1030003@vajhoej.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:  8 > CSWING has worked for thosands of people for many many > years. > 2 > So it is a surprise if it breaks with VMS 7.3-1.  @    I've seen a lot of broken code that accidentally worked untilE    someone changed the accident that made it work.  It's amaizing howpF    many programmers will ignore a documented API and just keep hackingG    until something works.  Sometimes you can tell why it worked (testediE    an unused by reserved bit field, for example), sometimes you can'tcD    (formatted an I/O with a Fortran FORMAT statement that really didA    work but seemed to have little to do with the desired affect).h  F    Keeps maintenance programmers happily employed, but it gets to be a2    drag fixing the same thing over and over again.  F    If you're good, you can always make your system work correctly whenF    used as documented, but you cannot make it always fail to work when    not used as documented.  F    Remember how much trouble MS had getting WNT to run DOS programs on/    platforms they hadn't thought of themselves?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:04:07 -0400o& From: "DAniel Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>% Subject: RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGr: Message-ID: <BCEGLBGJDODLELBJIADKGEOLCBAA.dallen@nist.gov>  D >1) Even if the code is poorly written (I'm not a judge of that as IG >have not done much VMS C programming), I still don't understand why ithF >would break under VMS 7.3-1 and not 7.3-0. When I upgraded from 7.1-2C >to 7.3-0, at that point I would have expected something to perhapstF >break, but 7.3-0 to 7.3-1 is supposed be 100% compatible. Page 1-3 of$ >the release notes say, and I quote,  A 	In VMS lingo compatible means if you code to the rules your code A 	will work in the new release.  As I said in my previous post theeD 	SWING code does not thouroughly interrogate the status returns fromI       the QIO; it ASSUMES the only status other than "normal" returned intD 	the IOSB is SS$_NOMOREFILES.  A properly written test of VMS statusD 	codes should always check the status code for conditions other than< 	the special case conditions they are specifically handling.   G >2) Would you be willing to share what you have found in the code so it.E >could be improved? You know, CSWING and programs like it (FLIST) areiC >so useful in a VMS environmen that I think HP/Compaq should reallyd >have something like them.  A 	I just shared.  And I would add that VMS will not benefit from aoC 	portfolio of poorly coded programs regardless of the source of the C 	code.  I'd suggest you do a little reading on VMS ststus codes and C 	the use of the QIO status block. Once you understand that, go back D 	over the SWING (FLIST) code and verify that all of the return codesE 	are properly checked and your programs will benefit greatly from thew1 	quality and consistency of the VMS environment. o   	Dan  . 	"It if ain't broke you're probably using VMS"  
 								me   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:56:11 GMTi" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGo0 Message-ID: <00A15E13.A4A46D40@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <7edc7395.0210230744.2f4fdb88@posting.google.com>, carlos.costa@datawest.ca (Carlos Costa) writes:ed >Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote in message news:<3DB66C33.50407@tg.nsw.gov.au>... >> Arne Vajhj wrote:a >> > Mark Buda wrote:t >> > o@ >> >> "Carlos Costa" <carlos.costa@datawest.ca> wrote in message= >> >> news:7edc7395.0210220742.6bd0ce68@posting.google.com...s >> >>tK >> >>> This problem is also disconcerting because 7.3-1 has, in HP/Compaq'sCE >> >>> own words, "100% binary compatibility with previous versions".t >> >>  >> >>sM >> >> Does CSWING use all public interfaces or CMKRNL to interrogate internalp >> >> data structures? >> >   >> > "@ >> > Since CSWING is a file-manager, then I find it very hard to3 >> > believe that it uses internal data structures.h >> > t	 >> > Arneu >>  J >> I agree with Arne.  I looked at the code several years ago and haven't # >> done anything than use it since.t >> tI >> It uses SMG and simple file management code.  It is run on our system wJ >> from the most banal (in the sense of privileges) accounts.  Nothing is F >> installed with/without privileges.  It's just a process executable. >>  K >> The original code was written in Fortran.  I forget who changed it to C  L >> and I forget the current maintainers.  Regardless, they are names that I I >> know I have encountered elsewhere in the VMS world and the person who w@ >> said that it was poorly written and should never have worked L >> (paraphrasing) is denigrating some people who, IIRC, have helped to make   >> the VMS world a better place. >> eH >> Perhaps Carlos or anyone else who uses CSWING and has moved to 7.3-1 H >> should investigate this and help the maintainers, though CSWING does , >> seem to be in a sort of maintenance mode. >> ... >> Regards, Paddyg >sC >I have tried to get hold of the maintainers. There are a couple of D >names listed in the readme files. Both the addresses bounced, but IG >was able to get hold of Harry Flowers through another address. He saidsE >that he is no longer maintaining the CSWING, so I don't know who is.n* >If there is someone, could they speak up? >?F >Harry did wonder, though, if I was using the now filesystem, ODS5, asE >he was pretty certain that CSWING would not work with it. I am *not*eD >using ODS5, but his comment got me to thinking that perhaps that isC >where the problem in VMS lies. Whatever they put into VMS for ODS5 A >perhaps is not 100% binary compatible with 7.3-0. This has wider0> >implications than just CSWING. What else isn't going to work? >aE >Harry also said that VMS has speeded up the file internals that madeoE >reading the filesystem directory necessary in CSWING, and he thoughtr? >that it would be an idea for someone to re-write the directory C >searching code (in get_dirs() on SWING.C) to use the improved file/E >lookup calls. Any willing VMS C programmers out there? It would be ao$ >great service to the VMS community. >o; >At any rate, I will keep you all informed of what happens.e >  >Carlos,  $ First, there are no guarantees here!  H Where is the latest and greatest code base for CSWING?  I'll take a lookG at it to see if there is anything that can be done to easily remedy thet situation.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" i   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:17:38 +0000 (UTC)t. From: "Sanface Software" <sanface@sanface.com> Subject: PLUG: txt2pdf 6.1H Message-ID: <d75e12c739264c607d5dcd7eb4bf215f.93245@mygate.mailgate.org>  / We would like to announce txt2pdf 6.1 version. C# http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html E txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful PERL5 script H that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in every8 operating systems supported by PERL5, including OpenVMS.; It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc.-) Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PROt- http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdfv& http://www.sanface.com/pdf/invoice.pdf$ http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdf<   What's new in this version  H New pagemark feature to open the PDF inside your browser at the page youF prefer using the URL http://your_site.your_ext/your_pdf_document#pagen& where n is the number of the page e.g.) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/test.pdf#page2fH The possibility to download the html documentation you can find on line.   Test txt2pdf 6.1!-6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html     -- m8 Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:25:28 +0200o- From: Didier.Morandi@Free.fr (Didier Morandi)E Subject: Re: read QuickTime?; Message-ID: <1fki220.5k4ipu146rplcN%Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>   A Here it is, MacSoup 2.4.6, and the REPLY button is "Followup" :-(>   D.    . Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:   >> Anders Eklf wrote: u- >> I'm perfectly comfy with you using a Mac, s. >> but how can you use Netscape for news ? :-) > K > Well, I got the use of it. I use the NS newsreader since I participate in G > Usenet news. And I hate utluque. But I was considering precisely thisuJ > morning to move to MacSoup. The problem with MacSoup is that there is no > "REPLY" button :-) >  > D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:51:39 +0200b4 From: Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr (Didier Morandi) Subject: Re: read QuickTime?B Message-ID: <1fki8wu.1k85u3sdjyuicN%Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>    And this is a "registered" test.   D.  . Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:  C > Here it is, MacSoup 2.4.6, and the REPLY button is "Followup" :-(y >  > D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:51:01 +0200a. From: Herbert Stoeri <stoeri@iap.tuwien.ac.at> Subject: Scheduling Question/ Message-ID: <3DB6D375.8070208@iap.tuwien.ac.at>d   Hi,/  I I stumbled on a problem, most likely connected to schduling of processes -E on openVMS ALPHA 7.3. User A  runs an interactive programm (gnuplot) uE doing a lot of I/O and using a neglegible amount of CPU, user B runs 4F interactively a CPU-bound program, doing only computation and no I/O. I Everything works fine, A's program gets it's priority boost and is fully h responsive.t  I If however A runs both the CPU-bound program and the interactive program sA under his (A's) username, the interactive program gets very slow.t  G I have not made any scheduling relevant changes to the system, nor sat  ' up anything like class scheduling, etc.m  H Can anyone explain, what is going on, or - even better - tell me how to  cure the problem.    Many thanks6   Herbert Stoeri   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:01:57 -0500y- From: Charles Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu>C Subject: Tape to Tape Copyingh0 Message-ID: <3DB6ABD5.7BFE9C2D@ceris.purdue.edu>  4 If anyone makes dlt tape to tape copies, can someone5 tell me how long it takes to do a complete 40 gb tapet4 copy to another 40gb tape using the SaveSet Mgr. VMS software or other suggestions?   Thanks,r Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:32:00 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>y- Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization 8 Message-ID: <prmcruoihcv1hrlg74sektphgtibcivf60@4ax.com>  , On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:28:30 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:s   >Jerry Alan Braga wrote: >> aK >> How can I tell SMTP to use USERNAME/PASSWORD authorization.  My personaltJ >> account ISP makes me check the outgoing mail server check box to supply$ >> username/password authentication. >  >In the SMTP standard:E >ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/std/std10.txt   (formerly RFC821 )a+ >or the newer RFCs with service extensions:3. >ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2821.txt >mK >All that is changed is the EHLO command which seems to be identical to them' >HELO command. No username or password.  >h8 >There is no mention of username/password authorisation.  C But it is becoming fairly common for ISPs smtp servers to require aaD POP login to validate the user prior to allowing SMTP. Especially ifD you are accessing from an IP address not assigned to you by the ISP.? Many email clients have a "login with POP before SMTP" setting.   ( I know of no published standard on this.   >TN >If your ISP doesn't like your SMTP server, why not bypass him alltogether get3 >VMS's SMTP server deliver your messages directly ?c   -- Alan   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:52:54 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)f- Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization + Message-ID: <ap5v26$71e$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e  } In article <rZlt9.49377$mxk1.46194@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jerry.braga@rogers.com> writes:rI >How can I tell SMTP to use USERNAME/PASSWORD authorization.  My personal1H >account ISP makes me check the outgoing mail server check box to supplyI >username/password authentication.  It would the same used for POP.  ThistM >would put an additional check on SMTP to stop spamming and bouncing/relay of- >email for an invalid source.  >,  ( There are two "standards" involved here.   1) POP before SMTP  H    This is an unofficial 'standard' where you are forced to authenticate4    against your POP server before you can send mail.  0    I know of no VMS system which supports this.    2) SMTP AUTH      This is an RFC.  F    This is supported by PMDF on VMS and possibly other mail products -    MX, Multinet, TCPWARE ?  J    It is also often used with SASL (another protocol defined by RFC) whichG    allows the mail server to negotiate with the client over the type of1L    authentication (plain text, encrypted etc) and the authentication source K    (SYSUAF or somewhere else - note CRAM-MD5 encrypted passwords cannot forl-     obvious reasons be used with the SYSUAF).   J This type of authentication is usually used as an addition to more general ant-relaying rules.e  9 The general anti-relaying rule is usually something like r  J Block all mail from outside the organisation which is destined for outside the organisation.o  J SMTP AUTH provides a backdoor around this for when employees are using theL organisation's mail hub to send mail from home (via their home connection toO another ISP). Since the user has authenticated they are then allowed to send tot0 both people within and outside the organisation.  I The other alternative solution to the above problem is to force the users L to specify their ISP's mail hub as the smtp server they send through when atL home. SMTP auths advantage is that they don't have to change their settings.        
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:07:23 +0000 (UTC)i+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)0- Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorizationr+ Message-ID: <ap63dr$8bl$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>i  v In article <20021023125554.26271.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:< >On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:. >>On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:28:30 -0400, JF Mezei' >><jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:T >> >>>Jerry Alan Braga wrote: >>>>  M >>>> How can I tell SMTP to use USERNAME/PASSWORD authorization.  My personalaL >>>> account ISP makes me check the outgoing mail server check box to supply& >>>> username/password authentication. >>>d >>>In the SMTP standard:G >>>ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/std/std10.txt   (formerly RFC821 ) - >>>or the newer RFCs with service extensions:-0 >>>ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2821.txt >>>0M >>>All that is changed is the EHLO command which seems to be identical to the:) >>>HELO command. No username or password.  >>>4: >>>There is no mention of username/password authorisation. >>E >>But it is becoming fairly common for ISPs smtp servers to require a2F >>POP login to validate the user prior to allowing SMTP. Especially ifF >>you are accessing from an IP address not assigned to you by the ISP.A >>Many email clients have a "login with POP before SMTP" setting.a >>* >>I know of no published standard on this. >cK >POP before you drop is becoming quite a common unixy cludge. You can get av? >free account that works like that from http://www.softhome.net- >-L >However, there is a SMTP-Auth mechanism as well. I'm not sure where this is" >(if at all) specified in any RFC. >c  	 RFC 2554 S   seea  ' http://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2554.txta   and  SASL in RFC 2222w  ' http://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2222.txta    K These are fairly widely supported by both clients and servers and hopefullycC should gradually replace the POP before SMTP authentication cludge./  K Note. With many browsers/ mail clients so long as you setup the SMTP server L to be the same system as your IMAP or POP server then the mail client storesO the password information when you login to your POP, IMAP session and uses thatiI automatically in response to the SMTP AUTH request. Hence SMTP AUTH looksSA exactly like POP before you SMTP as far as the user is concerned.i    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:18:37 GMTw1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)- Subject: Re: TPU port to Linux< Message-ID: <xXst9.179124$8o3.5343694@twister.austin.rr.com>  5 Kesav Tadimeti (Kesav_Tadimeti@KeaneIndia.com) wrote:3	 : Hi all,00 : Is there a port of EVE or EDT for Unix/Linux. H : Using Emacs / Vi is very cumbersome.  BTW, do Digital unix users have  : to use Vi or do they use EVE?b : 1 If you're after an EDT-like editor, check out ED:l  /    http://clio.rice.edu/EDstuff/ED_Overview.txt   A It's freeware, and runs on most flavors of unix, including Linux,>> AIX, HP-UX, Tru64, Solaris, as well as DOS, OS/2, Windows from a console window, and VMS. u  E ED accepts wild cards such as ED*.DAT, if you want to edit all files a7 starting with ED and having .DAT as the file extension.   D I'm using it to write this reply from within a VMS version of 'tin'.  2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:28:52 -0400n2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: TPU port to Linux. Message-ID: <3DB6A414.1880BE33@mindspring.com>   Kesav Tadimeti wrote:   	 > Hi all,c/ > Is there a port of EVE or EDT for Unix/Linux.h  ' Anker Berg-Sonne (sp?) wrote SEDT quiten. a few years ago; I understand that this is now	 freeware.       N > Using Emacs / Vi is very cumbersome.  BTW, do Digital unix users have to use > Vi or do they use EVE?  0 What's the matter? Don't you like typing triple-% bucky-alt-shift-control-~ every third  command? :-)  ' You do know that there is an EDT keypadi& emulation mode in (X)Emacs, right? (In" some versions of Emacs and XEmacs,* though, it's documented as being broken -- typical Emac's half-assedness!)   , Seriously, on Solaris, I use vi (or vim) for+ nearly everything, only reverting to XEmacsk- when I've got some huge project to perform ont1 a single (or very few) files. Or if I really needi# overstrike editing to edit a table.r  ( Once you learn to use vi's "map" command) to define keystrokes, a lot of (X)Emacs'sm) advantages disappear. Heck, I've even gota* a fair share of the EDT keypad mapped into+ vi (although nowadays, I forget to use it).*  + On Macintosh, I have vim and some flavor ofT* Emacs but I *USE* BBEdit. Unlike (X)Emacs,0 BBEdit seems to actually get the syntax coloring correct!   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:46:39 GMTc+ From: "David Pikcilingis" <dcpik@attbi.com>s Subject: Re: TPU port to Linux- Message-ID: <PSwt9.66707$md1.11800@sccrnsc03>n  I Boston Business Computing has a commercial version of EDT for Linux, mostdJ other versions of UNIX, as well as Windows.  It is a complete emulation ofH OpenVMS EDT and has a number of EVE/TPU features.  Additional details at www.bosbc.com/edt.html.e   Regards,   David Pikcilingish sales@bosbc.com 
 www.bosbc.com     > "Jerry Leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message6 news:xXst9.179124$8o3.5343694@twister.austin.rr.com...7 > Kesav Tadimeti (Kesav_Tadimeti@KeaneIndia.com) wrote:  > : Hi all,n1 > : Is there a port of EVE or EDT for Unix/Linux.*I > : Using Emacs / Vi is very cumbersome.  BTW, do Digital unix users have-! > : to use Vi or do they use EVE?0 > ::3 > If you're after an EDT-like editor, check out ED:. >>1 >    http://clio.rice.edu/EDstuff/ED_Overview.txtD >aC > It's freeware, and runs on most flavors of unix, including Linux,b@ > AIX, HP-UX, Tru64, Solaris, as well as DOS, OS/2, Windows from > a console window, and VMS. >dF > ED accepts wild cards such as ED*.DAT, if you want to edit all files9 > starting with ED and having .DAT as the file extension.s >oF > I'm using it to write this reply from within a VMS version of 'tin'. >~4 > --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own); >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:22:36 -05002, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> Subject: Re: TPU port to Linux+ Message-ID: <ap6eup$bde$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>d  I Years ago I saw a product called nu/TPU that impressed me at the time.  ItE don't remember if it could read a section file, but it could at least F compile and run TPU source, including EVE.  They're still in business:% http://www.asoft-dev.com/tpu_info.htmD  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541p scandora@cmt.anl.gov  A "Kesav Tadimeti" <Kesav_Tadimeti@KeaneIndia.com> wrote in messagetC news:8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C2606E167A@exdel01.del.mgsl.com...-	 > Hi all, / > Is there a port of EVE or EDT for Unix/Linux.tJ > Using Emacs / Vi is very cumbersome.  BTW, do Digital unix users have to used > Vi or do they use EVE? >t > Thanks & regards,M > Tadimeti Kesav > KEANE INDIA Ltd. > E9 - E12, SDFe > NEPZ > NOIDA - 201 3055 > U.P, INDIA >e! > Telefon: +91-120-456 8210 (211)s' > e-mail: kesav_tadimeti@keaneindia.com7 >7   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 10:27:49 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o7 Subject: Re: VMS tabletop without Office(tm): no chancee3 Message-ID: <bm82WDz6ldu5@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  U In article <X9OLb$kMMf6t@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:le > In article <C9JsAbg9x8NS@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:iX >> In article <cVu4bCl9Eijx@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: >>> H >>> Even those who are stuck with MS Windows as their (cough) OS, do notJ >>> _have_ to use Outlook. There are plenty of cheap or free alternatives. >> uG >>    Guess again.  I used to delete Outlook.exe from my PCs every timelG >>    some patch installed it.  Under the latest service pak on W2K notaH >>    only did MS change the name to hide the guilty, they made it "partG >>    of" the OS, it's opened at boot, and we've not yet found a way toh8 >>    make a delete actually work.  Oh, but we've tried! > G > Oh dear. But surely it can't stop you installing an email reader yourtC > own choice? Oops - somewhere I have a dim memory of MS wanting to H > implement the idea of "certified" applications, with signatures etc...  >    Yes you can.  I now have Outlook, but I still don't use it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:13:29 +0200 6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: Re: VMSJava-L' Message-ID: <3DB63E09.10301@vajhoej.dk>   K > HREF="mailto:VMSJava-L@arne.vajhoej.dk">VMSJava-L-request@arne.vajhoej.dkt   Ooops.   copy-paste bug.o   Fixed.   Thanks.    Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 09:45:48 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: VMSJava-L3 Message-ID: <TtiFTgaM+4vL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3DB4606F.7000902@vajhoej.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:  1 > To try and create a forum dedicated to Java andm! > VMS I have created a mail-list.4  =    Are you trying to increase the noise to signal ratio here?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:41:53 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>4 Subject: Re: Why does this file-spec work only once?8 Message-ID: <7mgdru8dj78cun5lt51jrrihndtaqi46jf@4ax.com>  > On 22 Oct 2002 17:16:54 -0700, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote:      > G >Sorry, perhaps I should have said I was using the correct password, ash9 >I was. Here is what happens with the incorrect password:  >  >ABCDE$c >ABCDE$ A = """FT WRONG""" >ABCDE$ @WB2 >$    ON WARNING THEN EXIT >$    NODE_INT = 1 >$    NODE_NAME = "ABCDE"  >$    CODE = A !B >$    UPDATE_LOG_FILE_SPEC = NODE_NAME+CODE+"::FTTOP:UPDATE_1.LOG"6 >$    UPDATE_LOG_FILE = F$SEARCH(UPDATE_LOG_FILE_SPEC)% >$    SEARCH  BEGIN,MANAGER/MATCH=ANDsA >%DCL-W-INSFPRM, missing command parameters - supply all requiredC >parametersg >ABCDE$d >9  D Alan, make sure that you delete any fal netserver processes that areB idle prior to your testing.  I have found that, when testing, if IC have entered incorrect information once, and if that server process C still exists, I may get security violations even after I correct my  mistake.  F These processes can get re-used, and they can remember previous client connection failures.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 09:51:12 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again3 Message-ID: <TARtA+uKFYU0@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  ` In article <ap2a9g$r1j3o$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > @ > And being the prooud owner of two British Cars, I resent that.@ > I own a 1978 MGB and a 1979 Triumph Spitfire, neither of which> > has ever stranded me.  The same can not be said for the Jeep1 > Grand Cherokee which did on several occaisions.i  F    Your experience with Triumph varies greatly from others I've known.8    Your experience with Jeep (AMC or Chrysler) does not.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 10:20:21 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again3 Message-ID: <HqKAOLF3boOM@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  G In article <3DB5C483.8090001@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:e  K > The original Lada was a ruggedized Fiat 124. It had stronger suspension,  ? > stood a bit higher on the weels, and had a very good heather.l  !    Translation please, "heather"?.   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Oct 2002 16:33:46 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again5 Message-ID: <ap6j1a$s577m$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>n  3 In article <HqKAOLF3boOM@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:I > In article <3DB5C483.8090001@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:e > L >> The original Lada was a ruggedized Fiat 124. It had stronger suspension, @ >> stood a bit higher on the weels, and had a very good heather. > # >    Translation please, "heather"?a >   F I think he mis-typed "heater".  Especially considering the environmentD these cars were sold for use in.  I seem to remember the Skoda being1 described as "a farm tractor with a heater".  :-):   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   "   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2002 13:00:03 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)0 Subject: Re: [OT] - we're back on old cars again3 Message-ID: <EGMSwTdvaUT8@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  w In article <01KNYTFJKK3W9QXRDQ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:lL >> > "Simon Clubley" <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote in: >> > message news:uOMArsSzF51l@eisner.encompasserve.org... >> > >Q >> > > Simon. [Who is currently trying to come up with a brief new sig that makesi0 >> > > Ladas sound better than Microsoft... :-)] >> > >+ >> Lada - the quality Microsoft aspires to.n >> fK >> Huh?  I did a google search and came across a reference to an auto makersK >> named Lada.  Can I assume from your above comment that Lada makes a shitr >> product?r >   H Do a Google search for "Lada Jokes" to get a feeling for the high regard that Ladas are held in. :-)o   Eg:l  ) Why do insurance companies enjoy Lada's?   They are never stolen.    H > As he says, he's looking for a better sig.  It used to be "Microsoft, K > the Lada of the computer world" or something.  I pointed out that that's eJ > really an insult to Lada.  OK, they do make a low-end product, but they C > aren't that bad and don't claim they are competition for Audi or iF > whomever.  (Lada is a Russian company; I heard recently that GM had + > bought them.  http://www.lada.ru/eng.php)d  O I am now beginning to understand how much you _really_ dislike Microsoft... :-).   Simon.   -- eB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       & "This is VMS. Viruses are irrelevant."   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.586 ************************