1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 25 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 590       Contents:/ 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only) 3 Re: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only) 3 Re: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only) & Re: ACCVIO with SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES" Re: Another strike against Itanium Re: AS1000 4/266 CPU upgrade ?0 Re: backup/image of shadowed volume misses files0 RE: backup/image of shadowed volume misses files0 Re: backup/image of shadowed volume misses files0 Re: backup/image of shadowed volume misses files- Re: Charon vax emulator and Micropower Pascal - Re: Charon vax emulator and Micropower Pascal  Re: Denial of Service attacks + Re: Dual CPU cards vs. dual core processors ( Re: Dual ISA ethernet adapter on VMS 7.2 Re: eXcursion & Mozilla " FC-AL support on VMS, coming soon? Re: File Attributes ( Re: Fiorina Gets Feisty at Gartner Event5 RE: How can I determine the device of the system disk 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 0 I'm looking for hobbyist VAX stuff Near BELGIUM! Immutable laws of the PC Re: Immutable laws of the PC Re: Immutable laws of the PC1 Re: It'll be interesting to see what happens here  Makefile to call a command file # Re: Makefile to call a command file # RE: Makefile to call a command file  Re: Monitor System Question  Re: Monitor System Question  Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Re: page or pagelet  Re: page or pagelet  Re: page or pagelet  So I went to the HP IT forum$ Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization$ Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization$ Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization$ Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization$ Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problem9 Re: The VMSNET group of forums (was: Re: Acrobat Reader?)  Virus filters for OpenVMS  Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS  Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS  Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS  Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS  Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS  Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS  Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS  Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 05:08:22 -0400 * From: Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net>8 Subject: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only)9 Message-ID: <20021025050822.A1728947@marvin.4amlunch.net>   K Dave McGuire and I had the good fortune of being able to rescue that lot of L PDP-11/70 kit from Williamsport, PA.  in there was a pile of stuff that noneJ of us really want or need.  one of those things is 6 RA81 disks.  they are( currently arranged in 3 DEC short racks.  L come take them, they are under a tarp in my driveway.  come before it snows.   -brian --  D "He's hopped up on caffeine. He has the strength of ten mice."  -PVP   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:23:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> < Subject: Re: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only), Message-ID: <3DB91BA0.8C09316B@videotron.ca>   Brian Hechinger wrote:L > of us really want or need.  one of those things is 6 RA81 disks.  they are* > currently arranged in 3 DEC short racks. > N > come take them, they are under a tarp in my driveway.  come before it snows.  M You do realise that you could heat your house with those , do you ? Just plug U it in and turn on as many drives as is needed to keep it the house warm and toasty...   K I had a similar lot, and I gutted the drawers (much work, these things were L built like tanks) and use one such unit as storage for all sorts of maps and2 travel brochures etc. I have  TV set on top of it.  N The cabinet also has a power controller which isolates some of the spikes from: the power.  And of course, you get tons of fans in this !.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2002 07:55:41 -0700) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) < Subject: Re: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only)= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0210250655.4e01651c@posting.google.com>   k Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net> wrote in message news:<20021025050822.A1728947@marvin.4amlunch.net>... L > of us really want or need.  one of those things is 6 RA81 disks.  they are* > currently arranged in 3 DEC short racks. > N > come take them, they are under a tarp in my driveway.  come before it snows.  N The torque on the HDA holding nuts is an issue here, with the cold and all ...K the ECL logic should be happy :-). In my neck of the woods (Sydney harbour) 5 salt spray from the ocean would be a greater problem.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:55:14 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) / Subject: Re: ACCVIO with SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES ) Message-ID: <apb7uh$l$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   \ In article <874rbb39kx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:% >Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> writes:  > F >> I would like to know if you find the SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES featureF >> useful.  For the next version of the O/S we are working on a global> >> process cell which will hold the process units. Most of theA >> utilities displaying information in blocks will be modified to  >> support this. so :  > 5 >> $ SET PROC/UNITS=BYTES will display info in bytes. E >> $SET PROC/UNITES=BLOCKS - the default will display info in blocks.  > D >> The plan is to display information in bytes and not to accept any >> input in bytes. > 4 >> Do you find this useful? Are we wasting our time? > E >How many utilities will be in trouble with the increased size of the F >fields? How many digits do you need for a maximum size unit now days? > B >Personally, blocks is a MUCH nicer units than bytes. (Or bits...) >    Since    SHOW DEVICE/SIZE=BYTES   Produces output like :-   O $255$DKB105:  (ALPHA2)  Mounted              0  USRDISK1       17.44GB    28  2 O $255$DKB106:  (ALPHA2)  Mounted              0  DATADISK4       5.65GB     2  2 O $255$DKB200:  (ALPHA2)  Mounted              0  USRDISK5        2.96GB     7  2 O $255$DKB201:  (ALPHA2)  Mounted              0  PMDFDISK        2.30GB   154  2 O $255$DKB203:  (ALPHA2)  Mounted              0  WWWDISK         2.51GB    35  2   ; I don't think there should be any problem with field sizes.     / Personally I think having this is a good idea.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:14:41 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy + Subject: Re: Another strike against Itanium . Message-ID: <3DB935B1.4070008@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote: ^ > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C279CA.4A542B60@sulfer.icius.com>... > J >>http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/10/21/021021hnopteron.xml?s= >>IDGNS  >>G >>(Apologies for wrap / any stray Outlook-inserted crap. It's jammed in  >>"rich text" again) >>J >>Apparently Cray reckon the AMD Opteron (their high end 64 bit chip) is aH >>better part to build a supercomputer with than Itanic. I bet intel are; >>(ahem) annoyed. Last time around, they used Alphas. Sigh.  >> >>Shane  >  > E > anyone who bets againset the dec alpha group will lose big time ...   + So Sun, Intel and IBM should have been very  very frightened 10 years ago.   ) I will have to look in my diary to see if  I was.  + But more seriously the DEC no longer exists - and neither does the DEC Alpha group who have  gone to AMD, Sun and Intel.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:24:13 +0200 + From: Roland Barmettler <rob@bbp.remove.ch> ' Subject: Re: AS1000 4/266 CPU upgrade ? 7 Message-ID: <20021025152413.19474853.rob@bbp.remove.ch>   	 Hi Tomasz   4 > Here is the list of board you can use with AS1000: >  > EV4/200  - 54-23297-01 > EV4/233  - 54-23297-03 > EV4/266  - 54-23297-04 > EV5/300  - 54-24719-02 > EV5/333  - 54-24799-02 > EV5/400   -54-24799-01  E Perfect, it's the 54-24719-02 I have. It's already installed and runs  fine. Thanks for your help!    Greetings, Roland   F --------------- bbp - Biveroni Batschelet Partners AG ----------------:              Bahnhofstrasse 28, CH-5401 Baden, SwitzerlandF ----------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:08:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 9 Subject: Re: backup/image of shadowed volume misses files , Message-ID: <3DB8DFE6.28C7E9CE@videotron.ca>   re: missing files:  L When I upgraded from 5.5-2 to 7.2, there was an intervening step at 6.1. TheJ backup I did using the "out of the box" 6.1 failed to properly backup someL files on my system and the restored files were either missing or corrupted. N (the 7.2 install had failed midway and I had to restore the backup made duringF the 6.1 step because the backup that was on the 6.1 system and used by VMSinstal was buggy).   = I needed to get a patch of 6.1 backup in order to instal 7.2.   < Are you sure you have a "recent" patched version of backup ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:37:22 +0100 * From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com>9 Subject: RE: backup/image of shadowed volume misses files M Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E9DC@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>   L I can remember a few years ago when we moved from Vax to Alpha having a veryH similar problem on the Alpha's, & it boiled down to how we remounted theH split shadow member for backing up. We were just remounting it & doing a4 backup, but we changed the backup mount command to :  # $       DISMOUNT/CLUSTER $1$DKB100: ) $	  MOUNT/OVERRIDE=(ID,SHADOW) $1$DKB100: ) Did our image backup of $1$DKB100, then :  $       DISMOUNT $1$DKB100: E $       MOUNT/CLUSTER DSA1: /SHADOW =($1$DKB100:,$2$DKB100:) PROGRAMS   @ This solved the 'missing files' issue we had. I hope this helps.   Regards    Andrew Robinson        > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Ken Randell [mailto:ken.randell@fortel.com]  > Sent: 25 October 2002 03:16  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ; > Subject: Re: backup/image of shadowed volume misses files  >  > ) > Bad form to follow up on my own post...  > 8 > Upon further investigation, the following falls out -- > = > Shadowing was not involved in this.  If I split the shadow  A > set, mount the split-off member /nowrite and issue the command:  > + > $BACKUP/IMAGE dkcxxx disk$dkcxxx.bck/save  > < > (there is no activity on this disk, installed files, etc.) > 9 > I get the same problem; however, the following command:  > 9 > $BACKUP dkcxxx:[*...]*.*.* disk$dkcxxx_noimage.bck/save  >  > gets all of the files. > @ > So, I can work around my immediate problem & reconstruct this ? > volume properly by creating an empty shadowset and restoring  = > from my 'noimage' save set to the shadowset above with the  < > appropriate qualifiers, as in '/owner=original'.  At this ? > point, I don't care about the directory dates, which are set  ? > to the time that I do the restore.  This creates the volume,  8 > and all files can then be retrieved via $BACKUP/IMAGE. >  > I'm still perplexed by:  > = > 1) For my 'missing' files, why does ANA/DISK/LIST show the  5 > RVN to be 1 when DIR/FILE_ID shows the RVN to be 0? ; > 2) Why does BACKUP/IMAGE not find these files but BACKUP   > [*...]*.*.* does? ? > 3) If indexf.sys or other is corrupted, why doesn't ANA/DISK   > show any problems? >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2002 08:46:36 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)9 Subject: Re: backup/image of shadowed volume misses files = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0210250746.7920d6cf@posting.google.com>   o ken.randell@fortel.com (Ken Randell) wrote in message news:<8debc3ff.0210240612.6d958184@posting.google.com>...  > AXP VMS 6.2, 7.2 > B > I have a weird problem using backup/image on some of my shadowedG > volumes where it appears to be missing files...I trust that I'm doing  > something wrong. > D > I have one 'master' system that I make tape images of my disks for6 > distribution to other systems.  My scenario is this: > = > 1) create 'master' tape from a shadowed volume (this works)  > % > $backup/image dsa0: mka600:dsa0.bck  > H > backup/list of this tape shows all of the files that I would expect to > have.  > C > 2) take 'master' tape to another system and restore to one volume  > (this appears to work) > ( > $backup /image mka600:dsa0.bck dkb100: > E > 3) on the other system, init a second volume to prepare it join the % > shadow set, and create a shadow set  >  > $init dkc100: label 2 > $mount dsa0: /shadow=($1$dkb100:,$1$dkc100:) ... > B > and I get the usual shadow copy operation from dkb100 to dkc100: > G > 4) [problem starts here] Later, if I attempt to back up this shadowed B > drive on the new system as follows, I don't get all of the filesH > copied as I would expect -- the files are simply skipped with no errorD > message or other (there is no activity or files open on the volume > when this backup occurs):  > ( > $backup/image dsa0: mka600:newdsa0.bck > E > However, backing up by individual directory works.  I can also type 9 > the files, etc., so the contents do appear to be there.  > F > Something bizarre that I see is that the FILE_ID for the files whichG > are not backed up do NOT match in the 3rd number (RVN I think)...they * > are 0 instead of 1 like the other files. > C > ANA/DISK/LIST DSA0: finds the files, so I think the indexf.sys is 5 > okay.  ANA/DISK/REPAIR doesn't find anything wrong.  > D > What am I missing?  Should I be splitting the shadowset before the > backup on the other system?  > 	 > Thanks.    $mount/over=shadow   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:17:59 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)9 Subject: Re: backup/image of shadowed volume misses files 2 Message-ID: <b1fu9.24$hX3.810079@news.cpqcorp.net>  \ In article <3DB8A0C2.A6B2EA21@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Scott Greig wrote:          ..B >So, what is the real scoop on /ALIAS /NOALIAS [with /IMAGE] ?????  H The real scoop is that the documentation is, at best, confusing.  {sigh}; This has NOT been corrected in OpenVMS V7.3-1 {sigh, again}   G My opinion is that /[NO]ALIAS is meaningless with /IMAGE and should not J be used with /IMAGE.  I know of no cases with /IMAGE does not do the rightH thing if neither /ALIAS nor /NOALIEAS is included on the BACKUP command.5 (Assuming the rest of the BACKUP command is correct!)   I There is an open problem report on this -- PTR 75-45-2055 -- but I do not K believe it is being worked actively at this time.  I will add a note to the 4 report stating that this is still causing confusion.   --------------------  H Regarding /IGNORE=INTERLOCK -- this tells BACKUP, in effect, that you doG not care if the resulting backup copy is usable or not.  BACKUP will do E its "best", but it is very likely that some or all of the backup copy F will not be useable.  I recommned most strongly that /IGNORE=INTERLOCK2 *NOT* be used to backup production disks or files.   --  I       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:46:58 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>6 Subject: Re: Charon vax emulator and Micropower Pascal. Message-ID: <3DB90502.17543.1B135ED@localhost>  G > The Micropower Pascal environment contains also RSX-executables which & > run on my VAX in compatibility mode.7 > Does Charon Vax emulator support compatibility mode ?   D CHARON-VAX doesn't support compatability mode -- that was available @ only on the 11/7xx servies of machines.  So, you're out of luck.  D CHARON-VAX has a sister product, CHARON-11, but that emulates a PDP-! 11, not a VAX emulating a PDP-11.   F If you'd like an eval version of either, or both, please feel free to  contact me.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:25:44 +0200 0 From: Alex Leibovici <ALeibovici@compuserve.com>6 Subject: Re: Charon vax emulator and Micropower Pascal8 Message-ID: <82viru4qp6kqvnrf0q8ol4uqctrfpracsc@4ax.com>  % jk@igm-group.com (Joe Kreuzer) wrote:   F >I want to use Charon Vax emulator for cross compiling with Micropower >Pascal.F >The Micropower Pascal environment contains also RSX-executables which% >run on my VAX in compatibility mode. 6 >Does Charon Vax emulator support compatibility mode ? > A >I downloaded some pdf-file from softresint which says charon vax D >doesn't support PDP-11 emulation mode, for this Charon-11 should be >used. >  >Is this true ?    Here is what I remember:  A When changing from VAX780/785 to MicroVAX 3600 (which didn't have D PDP-11 emulation!!), in order to continue to run RSX-11 executables,B we had to buy an optional package called something like "RSX-11forB VMS", which included a software emulator of the PDP-11 instructionC set, as well as libraries and other tool for software execution and  even development.   F Therefore, I believe the way to go should be to obtain this "RSX-11for
 VMS" package.    Regards    Alex Alex Leibovici   --------> "He who believes absurdities will commit atrocities." Voltaire   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:23:14 GMT 1 From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi> & Subject: Re: Denial of Service attacks1 Message-ID: <CQ9u9.579$mt4.4734@news.kpnqwest.fi>   D "8 different UNIX variants on 7 different platforms from 5 differentJ vendors" was status at least some time ago. I don't know if all the actualL unix types are listed somewhere, but one can easily count that the all major unix variants are present.   -Kari-  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:461ZOT1$owbv@eisner.encompasserve.org... G > In article <3DB83C70.3C1770C7@mist.com>, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>  writes: = > > Does anybody know if the recent denial of service attacks ? > > that were mentioned in the news know what type of O/S these  > > were running on??? >  >  > Root Servers?  Yes.  AIX.  >  > K http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/solutions/success/network.html  >  > Rob  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:57:31 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: Dual CPU cards vs. dual core processorsH Message-ID: <vs9u9.73026$Q3S.10581@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message , news:3kKdnVwt3LIG6SWgXTWcpw@metrocast.net...    ) IA-64 is to Intel/HP as Edsel is to Ford.    But Ford survived the Edsel.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:08:59 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG1 Subject: Re: Dual ISA ethernet adapter on VMS 7.2 0 Message-ID: <00A15F86.3D39F63E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <3DB8A3B5.A71ED8D6@sunset.net>, Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net> writes:  >TR:   <...snip...>M >> The reason why I ask is because ultimately I'd like to perform NAT routing N >> on the system to share my cable internet connection. Is this even possible?> >> Has anyone ever done this and is there software to do this?C >OK, but routers are cheaper (and easier to set up).  You can buy a 0 >Linksys for $60-80.  Uses less electricity too.  L ...but Linksys suffers from poor firmware (many too many unprages) and lacks4 performance.  Try a Netopia router for such needs.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:25:45 +0200 * From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>  Subject: Re: eXcursion & Mozilla* Message-ID: <3DB8E3E9.1030907@tzora.co.il>   Craig A. Berry wrote:   . > In article <3DB74CCC.4090607@tg.nsw.gov.au>,5 >  Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote:  >  > 5 >>Any idea as to when 1.2b will be available for VMS?  >> > J > 10/16/2002 or thereabouts.  At least now it's on the download page with   
   ^^^^^^^^^^^ L I _do_ hope that means 16-Oct-2002 (16/10/2002) and not 10th of Nextober.... for us non-USA types.    Mike  ! > all the other Mozilla releases.  > K > <http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.2b/mozilla-openvms-  > alpha-b120.sfx_axpexe> >      --    & New to c.o.vms? allow me to recommend:6 http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htm= Other useful links at http://eisner.decusserve.org/~rechtman/ E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* E Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home):(972)-2-9908337 C    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%" E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2002 09:27:29 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) + Subject: FC-AL support on VMS, coming soon? - Message-ID: <xg77NOT$L3Vw@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>   2   I've done some research since my earlier posting4 about FC support on VMS and have determined that VMS8 only supports switched fabric. This is a real impediment5 to my attempt to do FC on VMS on the cheap as I can't 4 find any cheap Compaq FC switches ( I got the RA80005 for $1000 and an HBA for $100 but the cheapest switch  I've seen is about $3000 ).   7   Searching the OpenVMS website I saw a "futures" slide 5 suggesting FC-AL support coming "after Q4 2002" and a 4 couple of surveys asking if customers are interested4 in FC-AL. I can't find any more details on the plans4 though. Is there anything people are allowed to talk9 about yet? In particular, would this support be available 6 on existing hardware or would it only to apply to some1 new type of adapter/controller not yet announced?   1   At the moment it looks like these new toys will 2 only be of use to me on Tru64 or (ugh) Windows :-(  2   ps. To save Andrew the keystrokes I'll note that2 it appears that the RA8000/FC-AL is also supported on Solaris.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:23:49 GMT 3 From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.removespam.ie>  Subject: Re: File Attributes. Message-ID: <Vtcu9.9145$cP3.18639@news.iol.ie>  ? "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message ( news:3DB7EEE3.BBE91ABD@mindspring.com... > JF Mezei wrote:  >  > > Bill wrote: I > > > I can get to the file attributes (i.e. "Revision Date") through the I > > > Lexical f$file_attributes within a command procedure.  But how do I < > > > get to the same information through a Fortran program? > >  > > HELP RMS > > L > > Look at FAB and various XABs that get populated with a SYS$OPEN (as well as > > other calls).  > ( > Look at the FABs and RABs? Good golly!1 > No wonder you VMS folks are paid the big bucks! / > You work very, very hard for simple data! :-)    Never let it be said ....   H I enclose a file RDATE.MAR which has a routine Revision_Date (rab, date)J which returns a revision date given a RAB of the open file (the RAB is gotJ from the For$Rab intrinsic function, and the date can be converted to textG using $ASCTIM).  A sample Fortran program GET-DATE.FOR is also provided L which calls the Macro code and writes out what you want.  Since I am postingK this from an MS newsreader, it's quite likely it will munge or wrap some of , the stuff, in which case you can get it from) ftp://picard.eurokom.ie/revision-date.zip     . ------------ File RDATE.MAR ------------------L ;*************************************************************************** *** L ;   Routine to return the revision date of an opened file.  1st arg containsJ ;   the RAB address of the file.  Return the date/time in internal form in' ;   the second arg (passed by address).   <                 $FABDEF                         ; RMS Macros                 $RABDEF                  $XABDEF   7                 .Psect  OS_DATA noexe, wrt, noshr, quad   I File_Xabdat:    $XABDAT                         ; Date/Time access block.   5                 .Psect  OS_CODE exe, nowrt, shr, quad   7                 .Entry  Revision_Date   ^M <R6, R7, R8>   I                 Movl    @4(AP), R6                      ; get RAB address I                 Movl    Rab$L_Fab(R6),  R6              ; get FAB address H                 Movl    Fab$L_Xab(R6),  R7              ; save old valueJ                 Moval   File_Xabdat, -                  ; load XAB address into=                         Fab$L_Xab(R6)                   ; FAB   I                 $DISPLAY -                              ; get the info we G                         Fab = R6                        ; need into XAB 2                 Blbc    R0,     exit_revision_date  J                 Moval   file_xabdat,    R8              ; get XAB address.I                 Movq    Xab$Q_Rdt(R8),  @8(AP)          ; return revision  dateJ                 Movl    #SS$_Normal,    R0              ; indicate success Exit_Revision_Date: E                 Movl    R7,     Fab$L_Xab(R6)           ; put it back F                 Ret                                     ; out of here.                   .End  - ----------- File GET-DATE.FOR ---------------          Program Get_Date         Implicit        None)         Integer         rab, unit, length !         Integer *4      cdate (2) )         Logical         ok, Revision_Date          Character *255  file#         Character *25   date_string            Call Lib$Get_Lun (unit) 3         Call Lib$Get_Input (file, 'File: ', length) A         Open (unit, name=file (1:length), status='old', readonly)          rab = For$Rab (unit)  '         ok = Revision_Date (rab, cdate) /         If (.not. ok) call Sys$Exit (%Val (ok)) 4         Call Sys$Asctim (length, date_string, cdate)4         Call Lib$Put_Output (date_string (1:length))         End 0 ------------------------------------------------    H ------------------------------------------------------------------------3 Tom Wade    | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie & 30, Dale Rd | Tel:   +353 (1) 278-7878& Stillorgan  | Fax:   +353 (1) 278-78793 Co Dublin   | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimer @ Ireland     | Tip:         "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:45:41 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 1 Subject: Re: Fiorina Gets Feisty at Gartner Event 8 Message-ID: <20021025084541.080f3273.mathog@caltech.edu>    On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:53:53 GMT$ "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  K > "'Dude, you're getting a Lexmark' just doesn't have the same ring,'' said H > Fiorina, "which is maybe why Michael Dell has decided to private-label
 > printers.''   D Which isn't all that different than what HP does for laser printers.? According the gospel of Carly we should be dissing LaserJets as  rebadged Canon's.    > I > As HP rolls out 50 new printing products, the company is also investing J > about $900 million a year in R&D and has, for instance, 100 patents on a  > sub-$50 printer in its lineup.  C Duh!  The small printer market is a competition to see who can sell E the most ink at the largest markup.  Part of the way HP keeps margins F high is by constantly changing their cartridges/printers with patentedF technology which is not enabling, but disabling.  That is, its primaryC function is to prevent competitors from selling replacement parts.  D I've often wondered if this practice is actually legal, but it wouldD take a huge expensive legal battle to find out. If HP stopped makingB patented changes in its cartridges the price of ink cartridges for3 its printers would collapse - and HP along with it.    Regards,   --   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 25 Oct 02 13:37:37 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.si > Subject: RE: How can I determine the device of the system disk& Message-ID: <3db94925$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  > In Article <OF641887E1.62603D0E-ON85256C5C.006EB209@metso.com> norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > 6 >Is there any easier way than capturing the output of: >$ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSMAN  >SYSMAN> SET ENVIRONMENT/CLUSTER, >%SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment:" >     Clusterwide on local cluster" >     Clusterwide on local cluster: >     Username MASTER       will be used on nonlocal nodes > & >SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOGICAL SYS$SYSDEVICE2 >%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODEA2 >   "SYS$SYSDEVICE" = "DSA100:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)2 >%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODEB1 >   "SYS$SYSDEVICE" = "DSA11:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) 2 >%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODEC2 >   "SYS$SYSDEVICE" = "DSA150:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
 >SYSMAN> EXIT  >$ > 7 >so that I know for each node the system disk device on  >each of the other nodes?   < $ define/system/executive/nolog/table=lnm$syscluster_table -0    'f$getsyi("SCSSYSTEMID")'$SYSDEVICE 'sysdev':   in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM. <  I miss item SYSDEVICE in f$getsyi too. I even wouldn't mind' having it functional in SYLOGICALS.COM.    Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461 ; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464  Slovenia   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:14:30 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) @ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!< Message-ID: <qb6u9.210753$121.5880708@twister.austin.rr.com>  ) Bill Todd (billtodd@metrocast.net) wrote:  : @ : "Jerry Leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message8 : news:7K3u9.193779$8o3.5677124@twister.austin.rr.com... : > J : > One of NASA's biggest shortcomings is its failure to market the value 6 : > of spinoffs of aerospace technolgy to the economy. : H : Possibly.  But if we had the right attitude, such marketing would not I : be necessary - while with our current attitude, it's very questionable    : whether it would be effective. : F Back then the U.S. had an external competitor/enemy, the Soviet Union,H whose launch of Sputnik got reforms in the teaching of math and science,. which were just being started, into high gear.  B With the fall of the Soviet Union, the pressure to compete faded.   C Getting the right attitude again may be impossible. The tragedy of  E September 11 appeared for a while that it was going to get Americans  C to realize what's really important, and become focused like people  & were after the attack on Pearl Harbor.    D : We didn't venture into space so that we'd have better frying pans: : that was just a side benefit.  : I Yes, but those frying pans and CorningWare dishes were something everyone J could hold in their hands, use daily, and appreciate where they came from.  I They helped combat those who wanted to gut the space program for spending  on social issues.    : ...  : L : > Another statement was that if NASA's funding had continued at a constant< : > and sustainable level, we'd already have people on Mars. : H : To be specific, I think the meaning was that we'd have (or at least beL : capable of having) a sustained presence there, not just have been and leftH : already.  The distance isn't that much more of a problem than having aI : sustained presence in low Earth orbit, once you've established a supply ? : schedule that can tolerate several-years'-long transit times.   F Yes, and that we would have a nuclear-powered rocket engine for use inC space in use by now. IIRC, it was in early testing when its project  was killed.    : G : One of the few possible justifications for having the immense wealth  J : that we are so lucky to have is the willingness to spend it on ventures F : that will expand the horizons and potential of humanity rather than I : squander it on personal luxuries.  That's why the killing of Alpha was  H : so disgusting:  an attempt (and a monumentally stupid one at that) to D : maximize short-term profit at the expense of long-term excellence. :  : - bill :i  E The obsession on short-term profits could be this country's downfall.   E Offshore job relocations, and to a much lesser extent, H-1B/L-1 visasc, are having their impact on college students:  M    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2002-10-08-computer-science-majors_x.htma5    USATODAY.com - Computer majors down amid tech bustp  ; College student see articles like these, and change majors:d  =    http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4332783.htmsB    Mercury News | 10/21/2002 | Slowdown sending tech jobs overseas  =    http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4310500.htmn    Mercury News | 10/17/2002 |?    Stanley Accrington: Job Migration Is Draining Silicon Valley   K    http://portland.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2002/08/26/daily56.htmlpJ    Intel holds job fairs for 'redeployed' employees, while hiring overseas  7    http://www.theworkcircuit.com/story/OEG20021021S0045t8    TheWorkCircuit.com - Unemployed EEs retool to survive  D We may even automate the fast food restaurants, so that even burger 1 flipping is no longer an available career option:a  /    http://www.hotchoice.com/HOTChoice_index.htme#    HOT Choice - Food Service System   G   "A dynamic menu of delicious, hot, fresh items like thick, crusty pan H    pizza, crispy french fries and golden chicken strips -- developed forH    versatility, choice and customer appetite appeal...and ready to enjoy    in only seconds!"  2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaila   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:29:17 +1000 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> @ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!, Message-ID: <3DB90EED.9020106@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Jerry Leslie wrote:: [with snips]  G > The obsession on short-term profits could be this country's downfall.i  G The obsession with selling off state/country utilities will create the  E first downfall.  What used to be considered necessary to keep within nD government control for the benefit of the population are just being D thrown to anyone with a few bucks, who will then maximise profit by G reducing maintenance and increasing prices; lives are at risk and have oE been lost -- the rail system in UK.  I am talking about what we have )E been lead to believe are part of the basics of our lives: transport, G- electricity, gas and water, as a minimal set.o  F Yes, I know there is always an inherent risk when moving from A to B, B but I believe the risk has been exacerbated with the British rail D system.  The spiralling costs of power here under the "market" will " cause considerable hardship.  ETC.  F > We may even automate the fast food restaurants, so that even burger 3 > flipping is no longer an available career option:" >  :-)))))-  1 >    http://www.hotchoice.com/HOTChoice_index.htm0% >    HOT Choice - Food Service System. > I >   "A dynamic menu of delicious, hot, fresh items like thick, crusty panoJ >    pizza, crispy french fries and golden chicken strips -- developed forJ >    versatility, choice and customer appetite appeal...and ready to enjoy >    in only seconds!"          G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  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And I think his rules are generally applicabledF to virtually any type of product.  However, there's also a fourth case which sometimes occurs:a  G - New product replaces existing product of monopolist, who discontinuesn*     previous product.  (Forced migration).  G I'd argue that the VAX->Alpha transition for VMS was neutral on 1 (costBC about the same), and satisfied 2,3, and to some extent 4 (given the I market at the time).   The VAX->Alpha transition was partially successfulnE (not everybody migrated, many sites switched to other vendors insteadP of migrating.)  A Unfortunately the VMS Alpha->Itanium transition seems unlikely to)8 be anywhere near as successful.  This migration does not; criterion 1 (if anything, Itanium has a lower run rate than I Alpha, and Intel has to recoup its investment somewhere), fails 2 (exceptdI possibly for some heavy duty number crunching, in which case Opterons arebE probably a better choice), and fails 3 (partially at least, depending-J upon the existence and functionality of an Alpha to Itanium VEST utility).G HPQ seems to have hung its hat on 4, but that's pretty doubtful at thiseI point, since there are now plenty of alternatives with less FUD attached.n  ? I'd happily eat my words if a $1500 VMS machine based on Itanic@D rolled out the door.  Don't expect I'll need to though.  I do expect; to see Opteron systems in that price range within 6 months.r  N Intel (and HP?) must be praying AMD runs out of money before Opteron launches.   Regards,   --   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2002 10:50:34 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) % Subject: Re: Immutable laws of the PCp3 Message-ID: <kGbNNgX+hCte@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <20021025081223.1b64f794.mathog@caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes:   > P > Intel (and HP?) must be praying AMD runs out of money before Opteron launches. >   A 	Opteron is "shipping at the end of the first quarter 2003", thisiA 	means that realistically systems show up May/June 2003 (assuming:A 	reasonable build time and qual and Opteron really doesn't slip).:  = 	So Opteron will be selling against whatever Xeon is shipping7= 	in June 2003 with 533 MHz FSB, that's one issue.  The second A 	issue is Intel Marketing.  A savvy Intel will be selling futures/7 	in that timeframe for CPUs shipping in late 2003, i.e.- 	Montecito:   4 http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1677&p=2  I If Intel's desktop chips will get a 1MB L2 cache, what about their serverhG solutions? It has been well known that Intel's Madison processor (thirdoO generation derivative of Itanium) would have a massive 6MB on-die L3 cache on a0K 0.13-micron process, but armed with Intel's 90nm process the Montecito core-O (fourth generation Itanium) will boast an incredible 12MB on-die L3 cache using3/ close to 800 million of these 90nm transistors.o    = 	Opteron is a wonderful CPU, but certainly won't compete with 5 	Itanium and a 800 million transistor/12 MByte cache.s  B 	AMD doesn't have to run out of cash (even though that is likely),C 	Opteron won't have *nearly* the TPC marks of Monticeto/Madison norl> 	the SpecFp.  Opteron's niche is narrow compared to Itanium's.   				Robe  H "An old Oregon rancher once told me, there are three types of men in theL world.  One type learns from books.  One type learns from observations.  And< one type just has to urinate on the electric fence himself."  <                                         -- Carl Barney, 1996   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2002 12:42:24 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)1% Subject: Re: Immutable laws of the PCa3 Message-ID: <H9+J9jWyMU29@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  a In article <kGbNNgX+hCte@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:m   	Correction...   > ? > 	So Opteron will be selling against whatever Xeon is shippinga3 > 	in June 2003 with 533 MHz FSB, that's one issue.r   	Make that a 667 MHz FSB:m  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5908  O The monster with a huge 6 MB on-chip cache is expected to reach an unbelievableUM 477 million transistors, 8 times more than the first Pentium 4. Next year thegN Pentium 4 and Xeon processors will be updated to reach the 0.09 micron processJ - the codenames are "Prescott" and "Nocona". The new processors are, amongM other new features, expected to run at between 3.2 and 4 GHz in the first one I year of deployment, and use a sped-up 667 MHz front-side bus (you'll needo2 dual-channel DDR333 memory to feed that one well).   				RobS   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2002 09:51:02 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t: Subject: Re: It'll be interesting to see what happens here3 Message-ID: <cb2W$60U8avw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <sNYt9.61917$Q3S.58334@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:4 > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,644757,00.asp >  > http://www.openhack.com/ > 4 > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,643205,00.asp  H    You'll note that HP is supporting this, but it's a MS and Oracle only    setup.  l  E    No point in something else showing it can really be done without at5    large contigent of expert security patch appliers.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:56:12 +0200i. From: "Christian Zander" <czander@crazypag.de>( Subject: Makefile to call a command file@ Message-ID: <apatev$mvc$2@newsreader2.lb-lan.ka.de.kpnqwest.net>   Hello everybody ...s  : I'd like to compile and link under OpenVMS using gnu-make.B Within that process, I'd like to start a batch file (aselink.com). Usingg   ase: aseex.obj     @aselink   results to:VF %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling
  \ASELINK\  2 So waht must I do to start the Com-File correctly?     Thanks in advance,  	 Christiand   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:44:45 GMT-" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: Makefile to call a command file0 Message-ID: <00A15F93.9E788767@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <apatev$mvc$2@newsreader2.lb-lan.ka.de.kpnqwest.net>, "Christian Zander" <czander@crazypag.de> writes:a >Hello everybody ... >e; >I'd like to compile and link under OpenVMS using gnu-make.XC >Within that process, I'd like to start a batch file (aselink.com).m >Using >d >ase: aseex.objh
 >    @aselinkt >e >results to:G >%DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling  > \ASELINK\  >e3 >So waht must I do to start the Com-File correctly?   G I don't know about GNUgly MAKE but in other make utilities, the @ meanse0 to suppress (noecho) the output of the action.    ) What happens if you change the action to:a  
    @ @aselinkh   or    
    - @aselinkc   ???  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            o5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:12:49 -0700 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>, Subject: RE: Makefile to call a command file0 Message-ID: <01C27C0F.1D65F510@sulfer.icius.com>  E I don't know about "@" in gnu-make, but in MMS (which I believe has a H common heritage) the "@" symbol causes MMS not to echo an action line toE SYS$OUTPUT. I didn't see it in the docs, but a little experimentationlH found that "@ CONTINUE" would suppress the output, but "@CONTINUE" would/ try and run a command file called CONTINUE.COM.e  G Have a play with your spaces, and try variations like "@ @CONTINUE", orkA putting the command in a symbol and trying to execute the symbol.l   Shane    -----Original Message-----3 From: Christian Zander [mailto:czander@crazypag.de] ' Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:56 AMl To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu( Subject: Makefile to call a command file     Hello everybody ...t  : I'd like to compile and link under OpenVMS using gnu-make.B Within that process, I'd like to start a batch file (aselink.com). Usingt   ase: aseex.obj     @aselink   results to:?F %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling
  \ASELINK\  2 So waht must I do to start the Com-File correctly?     Thanks in advance,  	 Christian0   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:10:17 +0100 (MET)c9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>g$ Subject: Re: Monitor System Question; Message-ID: <01KO2PJZXMGY9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  C > Outlook Express uses Arial as its default font. You must copy the F > screen or file to MS Word and use a Courier New or r-ansi font whichG > use by MS Outlook Express. You can copy-paste or attached the MS Word} > doc. to the email.   Surely you jest!  H Wouldn't a fixed-width font for the newsreader would be a better option?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:30:52 GMTE( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>$ Subject: Re: Monitor System Question, Message-ID: <3DB8E4EB.4040008@spammotel.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote: C >>Outlook Express uses Arial as its default font. You must copy theIF >>screen or file to MS Word and use a Courier New or r-ansi font whichG >>use by MS Outlook Express. You can copy-paste or attached the MS Word- >>doc. to the email. >  >  > Surely you jest! > J > Wouldn't a fixed-width font for the newsreader would be a better option?  E He must have been, because I later found how to use fixed-width from  B WITHIN Outlook Express.  Far too off-topic for this group, though.   Alders   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 02 06:25:16 EDT From: grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGa- Message-ID: <wZTNc3uRhz1x@rigel.cc.wmich.edu>o  @ I'm about half way done cleaning up the function declarations toC eliminate the gross compile errors.  When I get that done, and have-E cleaned up the error checks, iosb usage, item list declarations, etc.rC I'd be happy to let any of you try it on 7.3-1 (I'm at 7.3).  If itlB works (or we can find the remaining problem), that may make a goodA base for he suggested improvements to directory read performance.c  2 I should have something available early next week.  p In article <3db8ac1c.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:/ > Keith A. Lewis (lewis@mazda.mitre.org) wrote:hN >> Recompiling the source fails because my relatively recent C compiler whines! >> about getenv() being an int...A >  > Easy: just add >  > #include <stdlib.h>e > 7 > at the top of the SWING.C. And while we're at it: add  >  > #include <string.h>n > K > as well to get rid of the %CC-I-INTRINSICINT messages about the intrinsic17 > strlen()'s return being converted from size_t to int.H > M > But there's a *lot* more to clean up to get a clean compile with DEC C even-I > in /STANDARD=VAXC mode, e.g. many routines returning char* are declaredxM > with an implicit int return type. And no prototypes. But I might be temptedc > to give it a try...- >  > cu,4
 >   Martin > -- rI >  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmere6 >  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deJ >  for the change to take    |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/= >  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.dex   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:57:05 -0400m# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>d% Subject: RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGo: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDCEJFCBAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----* > From: Carlos Costa [mailto:calo@shaw.ca]+ > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:13 AMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' > Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGaL > One of my points, though, that no one has really answered is how about the > assertion from HP/Compaq that, > ; > "Compaq is confident that the new release has 100% binary < > compatibility with the previous release. If an applicationG > compatibility problem is discovered, Compaq will assign the problem aLH > high priority and commit to providing a fix. There is no need for ISVs? > to test on the new release or produce a new application kit."  > I > Certainly, CSWING is not the only application in the VMS world that has:J > dubious coding. And just because an application is not freeware does not4 > make it automatically good code (and vice versa!). > L > The above statement even says that "There is no need for ISVs to test". ToK > me that means that if it works under 7.3-0, no matter what bugs it has in K > it, it should work under 7.3-1. By the way, my Gold Support TAM confirmedgM > and duplicated the problem, so it's not just me. Apparently they use CSWINGo. > too, but they haven't upgraded to 7.3-1 yet.  K      	Are you serious! Do you really think that ANY operating system vendor D 	can or will commit to maintaining compatability with latent bugs inJ 	all of the application software ever developed for the OS!  While I don'tI 	speak for VMS engineering or HP I'm confident they do not think that thecN 	assurances they gave with regard to compatability apply to buggy applicationsK 	i.e. they do not warrant 7.3-1 to be "bug compatible" with 7.3.  ObviouslyRI 	fixing an OS bug that allowed an application bug to be masked or ignored5H 	will cause the application to fail.  New releases often fix bugs - duh! 	eL 	With regard to the "no need for ISV's to test" assertion they are obviouslyK 	silly and any ISV who believes that there is no need to test their product- 	on a new release is silly too.   K 	It's been two days since I pointed out the weakness in the status checking:P 	in the code snippet you posted and the likelyhood that it's failing to properlyI 	detect and report a system service error.  Have you applied the one lineuL 	patch I offered and determined that my suspicions are or are not confirmed?N 	If not I'd suggest you quit whining about what MIGHT be an OS bug and give usN 	some hard info on what's actually happening. If I had the environment to testN 	the damn thing myself I would have already done it for you! This isn't rocket? 	science, it's not even computer science, it's programming 101.. 	    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2002 09:10:10 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)r% Subject: RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGP3 Message-ID: <5L1nlOuWGw6l@eisner.encompasserve.org>(  ` In article <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDCEJFCBAA.dallen@nist.gov>, "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> writes: >  >  >> -----Original Message-----0+ >> From: Carlos Costa [mailto:calo@shaw.ca]@, >> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:13 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >> Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGM >> One of my points, though, that no one has really answered is how about thee  >> assertion from HP/Compaq that >>  < >> "Compaq is confident that the new release has 100% binary= >> compatibility with the previous release. If an applicationeH >> compatibility problem is discovered, Compaq will assign the problem aI >> high priority and commit to providing a fix. There is no need for ISVst@ >> to test on the new release or produce a new application kit." >> sJ >> Certainly, CSWING is not the only application in the VMS world that hasK >> dubious coding. And just because an application is not freeware does nott5 >> make it automatically good code (and vice versa!).e >> rM >> The above statement even says that "There is no need for ISVs to test". To-L >> me that means that if it works under 7.3-0, no matter what bugs it has inL >> it, it should work under 7.3-1. By the way, my Gold Support TAM confirmedN >> and duplicated the problem, so it's not just me. Apparently they use CSWING/ >> too, but they haven't upgraded to 7.3-1 yet.8 > M >      	Are you serious! Do you really think that ANY operating system vendor-F > 	can or will commit to maintaining compatability with latent bugs inL > 	all of the application software ever developed for the OS!  While I don'tK > 	speak for VMS engineering or HP I'm confident they do not think that theeP > 	assurances they gave with regard to compatability apply to buggy applicationsM > 	i.e. they do not warrant 7.3-1 to be "bug compatible" with 7.3.  Obviously K > 	fixing an OS bug that allowed an application bug to be masked or ignored J > 	will cause the application to fail.  New releases often fix bugs - duh! > 	eN > 	With regard to the "no need for ISV's to test" assertion they are obviouslyM > 	silly and any ISV who believes that there is no need to test their producti! > 	on a new release is silly too.F > M > 	It's been two days since I pointed out the weakness in the status checkingaR > 	in the code snippet you posted and the likelyhood that it's failing to properlyK > 	detect and report a system service error.  Have you applied the one lineoN > 	patch I offered and determined that my suspicions are or are not confirmed?P > 	If not I'd suggest you quit whining about what MIGHT be an OS bug and give usP > 	some hard info on what's actually happening. If I had the environment to testP > 	the damn thing myself I would have already done it for you! This isn't rocketA > 	science, it's not even computer science, it's programming 101.F > 	t    > 	Exactly and very well said.  I've been following this a whileB 	and most of my thoughts are similar.  Binary compatability people 	is NOT:  1 		 Bug for bug compatability across OS rev levelsl   				Rob  					a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:04:20 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: page or pagelet0 Message-ID: <00A15F85.96A8B872@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <leednY78xbt4FSWgXTWc3Q@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:S >OE >"Daryl Jones" <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messageG7 >news:8a646952.0210241256.296d1d1@posting.google.com...c >  >....  >kE >> A page on an Alpha VMS machine is 8192 bytes per page and on a VAX E >> machine it is 512 bytes per page. This is due to RISC vs CISC chip)E >> technology where the image sizes grew to be 5-6 time larger on thes
 >> RISC chip.F >RI >That sounds like far too high a ratio for code that's exactly equivalent)I >(I'd believe something more like 2, possibly as much as 3), but I'll let I >people in a position to measure equivalent compiled images address that.M  E CISC to RISC does not necessitate magnitude increases in code size.  ,    J >Regardless, that's almost certainly not the reason for the increased pageM >size:  after all, *data* didn't increase in size due to the change from CISC*L >to RISC.  What happened was mostly the passage of time:  a few MB of memoryK >constituted a significant cash outlay when VAX was designed, and pages hadfK >to be small (a disk sector being a convenient size) in order to be able tosK >accommodate lots of processes and pieces of the system.  By the time AlpharL >came around 15 years later, memory prices had plummeted enough to make muchJ >larger memory sizes - and larger pages - reasonable, and all other thingsJ >being equal, the larger the page size, the better, as long as it's not soL >large that the actual streaming transfer time to/from disk starts to becomeE >significant (with current disk characteristics - and memory prices - K >anything up to 64 KB has become fairly reasonable for a minimum page size;dM >the option to use larger sizes than the minimum is also often useful - e.g.,e >to avoid pressure on the TLB).b    H Exactly.  With a processor capable of addressing much larger amounts of G memory -- virtual and physical -- a 512 byte page size doesn't make for H the most optimal use of TB (translation buffer) resources.  In addition,H the Alpha contains other mechanisms to offset the load on the TB, namelyH the granularity hint.  Thus, with a single PTE, one can map 8^0 (1), 8^1! (8), 8^2 (64) or 8^3 (256) pages.   I Streaming data to and fro (paging) because of insignificant physical mem- I ory wouldn't suffer significantly because of a page sizing consideration sH as much as it would suffer the speed of the transfer in relation to get- ting the data from real memory.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            O5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" m   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2002 08:37:49 -0500; From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)i Subject: Re: page or pagelet3 Message-ID: <lj1T2WDVTWnd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <Zy0u9.11592$Kf.1396056@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:E >> A page on an Alpha VMS machine is 8192 bytes per page and on a VAXuE >> machine it is 512 bytes per page. This is due to RISC vs CISC chip E >> technology where the image sizes grew to be 5-6 time larger on thegH >> RISC chip. A pagelet on an Alpha VMS processor is 512 bytes. It takesG >> 16 pagelets (16*512=8192) to equal to a page on a Alpha VMS machine.- > M > Page size has nothing to do with RISC/CISC but it has everything to do withdM > what is a practical minimum amount of bytes to page (or swap) to/from disk. N > Further more, Alpha doesn't always have a page size of 8192 as the followingH > quote from the SYS$GETSYI portion of the OpenVMS System Service Manual > testifies. >  > SYI$_PAGE_SIZE > B > Returns the number of CPU-specific bytes per page in the system. > - > On VAX systems, $GETSYI always returns 512.n > ? > On Alpha systems, CPU page size varies from system to system.u > I > On Alpha and VAX systems, because this number is a longword, the buffero? > length field in the item descriptor should specify 4 (bytes).  > C > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/731FINAL/4527/4527pro_065.html  >  > ~~~~~  > H > For those people who don't think this info is important, check out the3 > following system services: sys$crmpsc, sys$mgblsce >  > ~~~~~g > K > For those people who aren't familiar with system calls, try the followings > lexical example in DCL:m > ) > $write sys$output f$getsyi("PAGE_SIZE")   F Has DecQHP ever implemented an Alpha with a page size other than 8192?  1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamyt4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/  I         "To enslave men, successfully and safely, it is necessary to havetH         their minds  occupied with thoughts and aspirations short of theL         liberty of which they are  deprived.  A certain degree of attainableJ         good must be kept before them." Frederick Douglas, "My Bondage and         My Freedom," 1855i   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2002 09:52:00 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c Subject: Re: page or pagelet3 Message-ID: <lbvIZp7SpkOd@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  f In article <Zy0u9.11592$Kf.1396056@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > ? > On Alpha systems, CPU page size varies from system to system.R >   H    Were any page sizes othdr than 8L ever actually implemented on Alpha?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:37:41 -0700o, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>% Subject: So I went to the HP IT forumu3 Message-ID: <apbkvn$5441$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>R  @ Yesterday, October 24, Pleasanton, CA. (San Francisco Bay area).  D I came away quite pleased.  Maybe this VMS stuff has a future.  Mary> Jane Vasquez, who works for Mark Gorham as VMS product managerF gave a very upbeat talk and we had plenty of time for discussion.  SheA seemed very open to comments and suggestions about what direction%' VMS should take.  That was after lunch.e  C Lowlight was the Intel guy before lunch.  Trying to make the 8 yearOC process of getting Itanium out the door a good thing.  And slamming:; AMD's hammer chip with snide comments about itanium being a 0 whole new thing vs. an evolutionary development.  9 My main comment was that HP needs to get the whole tcp/ipn; software thing figured out.  Having three competing stacks,'@ with different features is just a mess.  Especially when two are6 owned by the same company, process software.  Maybe HP> should give their tcp services to process and let them work it% out, they seem to do a very good job.a   Jima   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:37:08 -0400b- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization2, Message-ID: <3DB91ED3.2A473E2D@videotron.ca>   Did a little test....l  E On VAX VMS 7.2 with TCPIP 5.3 : (note that I began session with "EHLOeU <domain>" and it responded, even though EHLP isn't listed in the authorized commands.c  J 220 bike.vaxination.ca V5.3-18, OpenVMS V7.2 VAX ready at Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:32:12 -0500> 250 bike.vaxination.ca Hello BIKE, pleased to meet you, friend- 250-SMTP commands supported by this site are: > 250-HELO, MAIL, RCPT, DATA, NOOP, HELP, EXPN, VRFY, QUIT, RSET* 250 For more information use HELP <topic>.  5 Now, going to my ISP with a "real" SMTP server: (sun)s  N 220 VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca -- Server ESMTP (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002))h  250-VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca 250-8BITMIME 250-PIPELINING 250-DSNo	 250-XDFLGo 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES  250-HELP 250-SAML 250-SEND 250-SOML 250-TURN* 250-XLOOP 34456ED2F3BC34A0E61EB5D3C3020286 250-ETRN	 250-RELAYs
 250 SIZE 0 214-2.3.0 Available commands: 	 214-2.3.0a1 214-2.3.0 DATA, EHLO, EXPN, HELO, HELP, MAIL FROM1. 214-2.3.0 NOOP, QUIT, RCPT TO, RSET, SAML FROM* 214-2.3.0 SEND FROM, SOML FROM, TICK, TURN, 214-2.3.0 VERB, VRFY, XADR, XSTA, XCIR, ETRN 214-2.3.0 XGEN, LHLO, AUTH	 214 2.3.0e    K So the SMTP server that comes with TCPIP Services isn't keeping up with the L Joneses in terms of the commands. (granted some of the features such as 8bitM messages are supported on the VMS server, but not in the SMTP command set, ast the Sun server supports.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:20:10 +0100a* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>- Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization + Message-ID: <apbcts$v5s@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>l  a "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:3DB91ED3.2A473E2D@videotron.ca...   7 > Now, going to my ISP with a "real" SMTP server: (sun)sP > 220 VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca -- Server ESMTP (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 > M > So the SMTP server that comes with TCPIP Services isn't keeping up with thep# > Joneses in terms of the commands.v  V That's a bit apples and oranges. Having a quick look at Sun's web site, the list price# for their server starts at $20 000..   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:01:21 +0000 (UTC)e+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)m- Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorizationi+ Message-ID: <apbmc1$4nb$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   X In article <apbcts$v5s@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes: > b >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:3DB91ED3.2A473E2D@videotron.ca... >i8 >> Now, going to my ISP with a "real" SMTP server: (sun)Q >> 220 VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca -- Server ESMTP (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2f >>N >> So the SMTP server that comes with TCPIP Services isn't keeping up with the$ >> Joneses in terms of the commands. >tW >That's a bit apples and oranges. Having a quick look at Sun's web site, the list pricet$ >for their server starts at $20 000. >  >o  M And you can get pretty much the same MTA as in the SUNone/Iplanet product ford5 VMS, Tru64 (and even WindowsNT) from Process as PMDF./  M I doubt the differences in the MTAs between PMDF and SUNone will ever be veryjH large unless either Sun or Process do a total rewrite which doesn't seem# likely since it is such a good MTA.   N SMTP functionality is just a minor feature of DEC TCPIP services (or the otherN VMS TCPIP stacks). They provide a minimal functionality compared to MTAs such # as that in PMDF or Sunone/Iplanet. w  e
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:57:58 +0100m' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancys- Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorizationn. Message-ID: <3DB97816.8040108@nospamn.sun.com>   David Webb wrote:nZ > In article <apbcts$v5s@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes: > c >>"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:3DB91ED3.2A473E2D@videotron.ca...  >> >>8 >>>Now, going to my ISP with a "real" SMTP server: (sun)Q >>>220 VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca -- Server ESMTP (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2  >>>eN >>>So the SMTP server that comes with TCPIP Services isn't keeping up with the$ >>>Joneses in terms of the commands. >>X >>That's a bit apples and oranges. Having a quick look at Sun's web site, the list price% >>for their server starts at $20 000.s >> >> >  > O > And you can get pretty much the same MTA as in the SUNone/Iplanet product for 7 > VMS, Tru64 (and even WindowsNT) from Process as PMDF.  >   A Users of both would find that they are similar but they have both A diverged and have different capabilites, direct LDAP for example.h  ; PMDF is the SunOne/iPlanet messaging server MTA, a previousj< version  was also the MTA integrated into SIMS Sun's earlier Messaging Server.   < PMDF was integrated into SIMS 3.x and 4.0 and was called IMS  if my memory serves me correctly  C The PMDF MTA uses SMTP/ESMTP to transfer mail to other SMTP serverse0 and has an API to allow people to program to it.  = The message store uses HTTP/IMAP4/POP to talk to its clients.   A I hope this may go some way to clear up a long standing confusionh> on your part as to what function PMDF actually performs in the@ SIMS/iPlanet Messaging server. It is not the IMAP server its the MTA.     regards. Andrew Harrisony   ------------------------------   Date: 25 OCT 2002 15:28:54 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)- Subject: Re: TCPIP$FTP_SERVER startup problemo2 Message-ID: <25OCT02.15285487@thuria.waisman.wisc>  @ In a previous article, Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> wrote:F ->I'm having a similar problem trying to configure Anonymous FTP with K ->TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS 5.0 on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (the hobbyist kit). nH ->   Anonymous logins are refused because of a privilege issue, I think. -> *K ->I configured it from the menus in TCPIP$CONFIG and start the server from a ->the SYSTEM account with: -> e ->$ @TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$FTP_RUNn  H That's what the INETACP process runs in response to a connection on port( 21. This is _not_ how to start manually.  F If you do TCPIP$SHUTDOWN followed by TCPIP$STARTUP that should installF the necessary images with the proper privs. As previously mentioned inG this thread, it's TCPIP$SERVICE_SETUP.COM (called by TCPIP$STARTUP.COM)rF that sets up the services for TCPIP V5.0. In TCPIP V5.1 and V5.3, eachD service has a separate setup procedure (e.g. TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP.COM).   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisons5 --              karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu  a   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2002 14:01:26 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)B Subject: Re: The VMSNET group of forums (was: Re: Acrobat Reader?)4 Message-ID: <apbirm$4id6$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  - In article <24OCT200221320304@gerg.tamu.edu>, * 	carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:: > Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr (Didier Morandi) writes...J > }Thank you Hoff, I stand accused. But I'm happy to hear about the VMSNET? > }group of forums again. There is nearly no activity in there.m > }D.g > = > Some of them have activity. I know the vmsnet.mail.pmdf andi@ > vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet groups (the only ones I check)8 > receive some traffice - a few messages a day, usually.   vmsnet.pdp-11       ;-)g   bill   -- hJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:17:22 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>u" Subject: Virus filters for OpenVMS* Message-ID: <apaumj$4b2$1@news.tudelft.nl>   Hi all,g  F Can anyone point me to where I can find Virus-filters for OpenVMS that; work either on the incoming SMTP mail or on the .MAI files.i  C The reason for asking is that my mailbox is poluted with around 30 kE messages a day containing the Klez-virus. I know it it is harmless onaH the OpenVMS system where I read the mail, but it is a nuisance to delete them "by hand".e                    Joukc   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:28:47 +0200p From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>& Subject: Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS& Message-ID: <3DB900BF.6090202@home.nl>   Try http://www.sophos.com      JOUKJ wrote:  	 > Hi all,  >aH > Can anyone point me to where I can find Virus-filters for OpenVMS that= > work either on the incoming SMTP mail or on the .MAI files.n >aE > The reason for asking is that my mailbox is poluted with around 30 eG > messages a day containing the Klez-virus. I know it it is harmless ontJ > the OpenVMS system where I read the mail, but it is a nuisance to delete > them "by hand".i >i >                 Jouk >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:40:17 +0100t( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>& Subject: Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS) Message-ID: <3DB90371.BAD95DE2@127.0.0.1>n   JOUKJ wrote: > 	 > Hi all,. > H > Can anyone point me to where I can find Virus-filters for OpenVMS that= > work either on the incoming SMTP mail or on the .MAI files.t > D > The reason for asking is that my mailbox is poluted with around 30G > messages a day containing the Klez-virus. I know it it is harmless on J > the OpenVMS system where I read the mail, but it is a nuisance to delete > them "by hand".   5 The attachment all start "TVqQ" so easy to recognize.,  A Could you use something like DELIVER to match for the first line?s   -- t? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com:   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:47:50 +0200b From: "Humbug" <hje@dds.nl>D& Subject: Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS7 Message-ID: <3db9134d$0$11211$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl>e  L If perl and procmail are installed on your machine, you could take a look at the procmail security filter ato8 http://www.impsec.org/email-tools/procmail-security.htmlE I know there is a specific "KLeZ" filter included in the distribution   4 "JOUKJ" <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote in message$ news:apaumj$4b2$1@news.tudelft.nl...	 > Hi all,S >pH > Can anyone point me to where I can find Virus-filters for OpenVMS that= > work either on the incoming SMTP mail or on the .MAI files.  >kD > The reason for asking is that my mailbox is poluted with around 30G > messages a day containing the Klez-virus. I know it it is harmless oncJ > the OpenVMS system where I read the mail, but it is a nuisance to delete > them "by hand".t >r >                  Jouka >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:08:42 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>i& Subject: Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS* Message-ID: <apb57b$6ak$1@news.tudelft.nl>  
 Humbug wrote:t  G > If perl and procmail are installed on your machine, you could take a  	 > look at0! > the procmail security filter ato: > http://www.impsec.org/email-tools/procmail-security.htmlG > I know there is a specific "KLeZ" filter included in the distributiond  H perl I have installed, but not procmail I found a source distribution at http://www.procmail.org/E It seems not to have VMS support. Does anyone has installed it on VMSo if yes, how was it done?   >e >  > "JOUKJ"  wrote in messageo& > news:apaumj$4b2$1@news.tudelft.nl... > 
 > >Hi all, > >lI > >Can anyone point me to where I can find Virus-filters for OpenVMS thata> > >work either on the incoming SMTP mail or on the .MAI files. > > E > >The reason for asking is that my mailbox is poluted with around 30-H > >messages a day containing the Klez-virus. I know it it is harmless onK > >the OpenVMS system where I read the mail, but it is a nuisance to deletei > >them "by hand". > >  > >                 Jouk > >e >n >p >e   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:17:35 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)r& Subject: Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <apbjpv$3p7$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>t  T In article <apaumj$4b2$1@news.tudelft.nl>, JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes: >Hi all, >cG >Can anyone point me to where I can find Virus-filters for OpenVMS thatm< >work either on the incoming SMTP mail or on the .MAI files. >eD >The reason for asking is that my mailbox is poluted with around 30 F >messages a day containing the Klez-virus. I know it it is harmless onI >the OpenVMS system where I read the mail, but it is a nuisance to delete  >them "by hand". >  >                 Jouk >r    SOPHOS VSWEEP works with VMS see= http://www.sophos.com/products/software/antivirus/savvms.html-  I This can be used with PMDF (using it's conversion channel) and also with n MX (using it's SITE interface).u  8 I've been using Sophos with PMDF successfully for years.  I Sophos also provide their own standalone mail scanner product MailMonitor$G there was some talk in May this year that they were considering porting.J this to VMS. This would remove the need to use PMDF (which is a commercialK product) or MX (Older versions of which are free but later versions have a a small cost).  O You need to use products such as PMDF or MX with the scanner since the messages L need to be split up into their attachments and Mime decoded before scanning.      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:36:57 +0000 (UTC)n+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) & Subject: Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <apbku9$3ve$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>l  U In article <3db9134d$0$11211$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl>, "Humbug" <hje@dds.nl> writes:aM >If perl and procmail are installed on your machine, you could take a look ato  >the procmail security filter at9 >http://www.impsec.org/email-tools/procmail-security.htmlnF >I know there is a specific "KLeZ" filter included in the distribution >?G Can this be run without procmail ? As far as I am aware procmail is not H available for VMS. There is an equivalent product on VMS called DELIVER.  u
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University      5 >"JOUKJ" <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote in messagea% >news:apaumj$4b2$1@news.tudelft.nl...t
 >> Hi all, >>I >> Can anyone point me to where I can find Virus-filters for OpenVMS thata> >> work either on the incoming SMTP mail or on the .MAI files. >>E >> The reason for asking is that my mailbox is poluted with around 30 H >> messages a day containing the Klez-virus. I know it it is harmless onK >> the OpenVMS system where I read the mail, but it is a nuisance to deleter >> them "by hand". >> >>                  Jouk >> >A >b   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2002 08:42:08 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)& Subject: Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0210250742.65594394@posting.google.com>e  Y JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote in message news:<apaumj$4b2$1@news.tudelft.nl>...e	 > Hi all,b > H > Can anyone point me to where I can find Virus-filters for OpenVMS that= > work either on the incoming SMTP mail or on the .MAI files.j > E > The reason for asking is that my mailbox is poluted with around 30 lG > messages a day containing the Klez-virus. I know it it is harmless on J > the OpenVMS system where I read the mail, but it is a nuisance to delete > them "by hand".U >  >                  Joukd  ; sophos only works with PMDF ... I have tried to get them tol; write a routine to break off the attachments like pmdf doeso> to scan and place back which would work for other smtp servers: (tcpware,multinet) but to this point have not been able to get them to do it ...r   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2002 09:14:07 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) & Subject: Re: Virus filters for OpenVMS- Message-ID: <lUPoSDdae2mz@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>l  > In article <d7791aa1.0210250742.65594394@posting.google.com>, .     bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:   > = > sophos only works with PMDF ... I have tried to get them tos= > write a routine to break off the attachments like pmdf doesV@ > to scan and place back which would work for other smtp servers< > (tcpware,multinet) but to this point have not been able to > get them to do it ...   &     Which "them" are you referring to?  =     It seems unlikely that Sophos would be interested in such 9 a thing. They have a Mail Monitor product which does thisM< (doesn't run on VMS though). I imagine they would propose itB as the solution ( as opposed to building MIME parsing capabilities into the VSWEEP product ).  =     I suppose Process software doesn't have a lot of interestw= in adding such a feature to tcpware or multinet as this woulde- be competing against a selling point of PMDF.y  @     I seem to recall that MX had a feature where you could write> a custom "channel" routine ( they may have called it something< different ). You'd need your own code to take apart the MIME9 message and then put it back together after each part was38 scanned. I'm sure there's freeware out there to do this.  !    (Is MX still being supported?)e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.590 ************************i font whichG >>use by MS Outlook Express. You can copy-paste or attac@    A    B    C    D    E    F    G    H    I    J    K    L    M    N    O    P    Q    R    S    T    U    V    W    X    Y    Z    [    \    ]    ^    _    `    a    b    c    d    e    f    g    h    i    j    k    l    m    n    o    p    q    r    s    t    u    v    w    x    y    z    {    |    }    ~                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        