1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 27 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 593       Contents:3 Re: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only) 3 Re: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only) 3 Re: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only) 3 Re: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only) " Free Microvax IIs in San Diego, CAA Re: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line - Pay-per-view ONLY :-(   Re: java on VMS - help requested Re: Multicast, UCX, OpenVMS ; Rejuvenating OpenVMS [was Re: So I went to the HP IT forum] ? Re: Rejuvenating OpenVMS [was Re: So I went to the HP IT forum]   Re: So I went to the HP IT forum  Re: So I went to the HP IT forum  Re: So I went to the HP IT forum$ Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:59:32 -0400 * From: Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net>< Subject: Re: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only)9 Message-ID: <20021026135932.N1728947@marvin.4amlunch.net>   ; On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 04:18:29PM +0200, Hans Vlems wrote:  > L > What is the problem with snow? Power these beasts up and you won't need to0 > remove snow from your driveway all winter ....  6 i never thought of it that way.  yeah, i like that. ;)   -brian --  H >  Of course...a PeeCee is useless after it's four months old, remember?4 No, no. It's *valueless* after it's four months old.H It's useless the moment it's made.                   -- David Fischer --   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2002 01:26:01 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)< Subject: Re: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only)5 Message-ID: <apffb9$130n1$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   < In article <howard-03289E.19442326102002@enews.newsguy.com>,* 	Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:6 > In article <ape9vj$p3vv$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>,, >  bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > B >> It's just too bad you didn't say anything before the trip.  YouC >> could have dropped them off here and not hauled them all the way F >> to Philly in the first place.   I still use RA8x disks on the PDP'sF >> at the University (where I don't have to pay for the electricity or >> the air conditioning.  :-)  >  > You have my sympathy!  > I > We should put together a charity to help you replace these beasts with    C I've never been one to turn down charity where my classic computers E are concerned.  A couple of UNIBUS and QBUS SCSI cards would probably  do the trick.  :-)  : > something that doesn't fail once a year like clockwork,   E Actually, I have had relatively few failures and when you figure that G all of these disks bounced their way here in the back of station wagons I and trucks it goes a long way to proving the quality of computer products  from that era.  K >                                                         and actually has   > some real -size- to it.   J That is the one problem they have.  But then, even with SCSI and big disksI you end up partitioning them into smaller ones anyway for the PDP-11. :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:07:17 GMT 8 From: "Jerome H. Fine" <jhfineb9rv@b9rvnospamcompsys.to>< Subject: Re: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only)4 Message-ID: <3DBB5831.76D272DA@b9rvnospamcompsys.to>   >Bill Gunshannon wrote:   E > I've never been one to turn down charity where my classic computers G > are concerned.  A couple of UNIBUS and QBUS SCSI cards would probably  > do the trick.  :-)   Jerome Fine replies:  ? If you are looking for a "couple of UNIBUS and QBUS SCSI cards" I for charity, I would suggest that you call it robbery - of all the prices = of cards for the PDP-11, except maybe for the 11/93 CPU card, C these host adapters have not fallen in price.  As for why the 11/93 9 CPU card is still so expensive, I still can't understand.   ; > > something that doesn't fail once a year like clockwork, G > Actually, I have had relatively few failures and when you figure that I > all of these disks bounced their way here in the back of station wagons K > and trucks it goes a long way to proving the quality of computer products  > from that era.  : Here I will agree!!  DEC built their hardware like tanks!!  L > >                                                         and actually has > > some real -size- to it. L > That is the one problem they have.  But then, even with SCSI and big disksK > you end up partitioning them into smaller ones anyway for the PDP-11. :-)   @ I have a bunch of 2 GByte 50 pin SCSI ST32550N drives that I use@ on both real DEC hardware with a CQD 220/TM and on a Pentium IIIA with an Adaptec AHA2940AU (or something like that).  They have an G RT-11 file structure and can be booted on either hardware to run RT-11.   J I do require 63 partitions for each drive.  Of course, on the Pentium III,G I first need to run Ersatz-11, but then each ST32550N drive (I can have E up to three drives) has its own emulated MSCP device driver, all with C each of the 63 RT-11 partitions active.  PLUS as a minor bonus, the ? RT-11 code runs 15 times as fast as the real DEC 11/93 CPU when = I use the Ersatz-11 emulator on the 750 MHz Pentium III under ; Windows 98 SE so that the VT100 emulation also supports the A monitor with 132 character lines using the KED editor.  I am just = waiting to see if Windows 98 SE can be used with the same AGP A video card on a 3 GHZ Pentium 4?  Will that run RT-11 at 50 times  the speed of a real DEC 11/93?  9 Note that I do NOT boot the Pentium III with the ST32550N : drives online.  Windows 98 SE will not recognize them.  So I cheat.   Sincerely yours,   Jerome Fine  --4 To obtain the original e-mail address, please remove5 the ten characters which immediately follow the 'at'. 8 If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail7 address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk 5 e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be 7 obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the . 'at' with the four digits of the current year.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:44:23 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> < Subject: Re: 6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only)< Message-ID: <howard-03289E.19442326102002@enews.newsguy.com>  4 In article <ape9vj$p3vv$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>,*  bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  A > It's just too bad you didn't say anything before the trip.  You B > could have dropped them off here and not hauled them all the wayE > to Philly in the first place.   I still use RA8x disks on the PDP's E > at the University (where I don't have to pay for the electricity or  > the air conditioning.  :-)   You have my sympathy!   G We should put together a charity to help you replace these beasts with  I something that doesn't fail once a year like clockwork, and actually has   some real -size- to it.    --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:27:07 GMT  From: bill@cox.net (Bill Young) + Subject: Free Microvax IIs in San Diego, CA + Message-ID: <apemqa$8ds$1@home.network.net>   I I have 3 Microvax IIs in the San Diego, California area that need to find E a new home.  They are the Q2, Q3, and Q5 models (pedistal/rack mount, I rolling tower like enclosure, and short rack with RA81).  Unfortunately I F don't have time to deal with shipping or parting them out.  If you areL near the San Diego area and would like to pick them up, please send mail to:  
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 Bill Young   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 04:06:51 GMT 3 From: "Nico Kadel-Garcia" <nkadel@bellatlantic.net> J Subject: Re: HP-ETS 2002 Presentations are on-line - Pay-per-view ONLY :-(6 Message-ID: <vDJu9.4587$IU6.2853@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message / news:ap94vf$t1cdd$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de... I > In article <lvTt9.59818$Q3S.4114@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, ' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > > + > > As to DEC, the pro's and cons would be: 9 > > 7) Estimated stock price of $2-6 range to begin with.  > G > And at that price I could afford to buy some stock.  And I would too. E > I expect it would turn out to be a wash short-term but a big winner  > on the longer-term.   K Only after someone like David Cutler steals it and sells it to Microsoft as , their next OS. Remember what happened there?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 00:48:23 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> ) Subject: Re: java on VMS - help requested / Message-ID: <urmdunhgp13n48@corp.supernews.com>   , John MacLean <mcleanj@swissonline.ch> wrote:J : I would like something that covers all the issues that are VMS-specific,H : the kinds of things that are not the "lowest common denominator".  TheJ : use of logicals, global symbols, powerful DCL lexical functions, indexedH : file access, cluster-oriented utilities... not mickey-mouse sequential : files in ASCII.   , Java is supposed to be platform independent.  9 Why on Earth would you write jave code and tie it to VMS?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:35:53 -0400 , From: Bill Meier <xspamx-wmeier@newsguy.com>$ Subject: Re: Multicast, UCX, OpenVMS8 Message-ID: <sp0mruciitmv89chct9n5f52vajc2hgu3t@4ax.com>  3 johan.nilsson@esrange.ssc.se (Johan Nilsson) wrote:     E 1. For UCX v4.1 (and earlier/later versions ?) multicast you must use I UCX$C_IP_MULTICAST_TTL, UCX$C_IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP, etc which are defined in ' ucx$inetdef.h (which must be included).   M (The definitions of UCX$C_IP_MULTICAST_xxx are different than the definitions  for IP_MULTICAST_xxx).  I I took your program and made slight adjustments to compile with C. I then N compiled and ran your program on a VAX VMS 6.2 UCX 4.1 ECO 9 system. Using theJ IP_MULTICAST... definitions I got the same errors as you report; Using the) UCX$C_xxx definitions the program ran OK.   L 2. That being said: I suggest that you upgrade to the latest TCPIP V5 if youM plan to do any serious use of IP Multicast.  Although we did get IP Multicast L to run under UCX, there were some problems which I seem to remember required% one of the later 4.1 ECOs to correct.   H We've been using IP Multicast successfully on TCPIP v5.0. (There was oneL problem when using the IP_MULTICAST_IF option to do multicast on a specifiedG IP interface; we did a work-around and the problem was fixed in v 5.1).   
 Bill Meier             >Hi, > G >I seem to be incabable of gettings multicasting to work properly under E >OpenVMS. I'm running DEC C++ 6.5, UCX 4.1 and OpenVMS Alpha 7.1 (see E >simple program attached demonstrating the problem). As soon as I try < >to use setsockopt, specifying any multicast-related option:G >IP_MULTICAST_TTL/_LOOP/_IF, IP_ADD/DROP_MEMBERSHIP I get the errorcode + >"%SYSTEM-?-BADPARAM, bad parameter value".  > D >I've tried to use the corresponding UCX$C_xxx constants in place ofF >the above, but then I instead get an occasional "%SYSTEM-S-BADATTRIB,E >bad attribute control list" in addition to some of the above errors.  >  >What am I doing wrong?  > 	 >// Johan  >  >--- mctest.cpp ---  >  >#include <errno.h>  >#include <in.h> >#include <inet.h> >#include <socket.h> >#include <stdio.h>  >  >int main()  >{4 >	int fd = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, IPPROTO_UDP); >	if (-1 == fd)  >	{ % >		perror("Failed to create socket");  >	}  >	 >	u_char ttl = 1; > >	if (-1 == setsockopt(fd, IPPROTO_IP, IP_MULTICAST_TTL, &ttl, >sizeof(ttl))) >	{ ) >		perror("Failed to set multicast ttl");  >	}  > > >	ip_mreq mreq = { inet_addr("224.100.100.100"), INADDR_ANY };@ >	if (-1 == setsockopt(fd, IPPROTO_IP, IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP, &mreq, >sizeof(mreq)))  >	{ , >		perror("Failed to join multicast group"); >	}  >	 >	return errno;	 >} >  >--- end mctest.cpp ---    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:48:37 GMT % From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) D Subject: Rejuvenating OpenVMS [was Re: So I went to the HP IT forum]& Message-ID: <H4LwH1.9I0@world.std.com>  4 In article <ape800$phoj$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>,) Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:   H > Wrong person.  It never got that far.  The department faculty (who areI > not overly keen on returning to VMS anymore anyway) took one look at it G > and said no.  They are willing to use VMS, but only if it involves no C > additional labor on their part.  Anything that can not be totally K > administered by me (after all, I am The Department Systems Administrator) J > is not going acceptable.  It would be different if everyone was fightingI > to get VMS back in the classroom, but the schools really don't care and L > that means an uphill battle. Any program has to be as flexible as possibleE > and easy to implement and maintain.  As soon as strings start to be @ > attached the easiest thing for schools to do is "just say no".  E I think getting OpenVMS back into universities as a general computing G platform would be very difficult.  VMS has long since lost its momentum G in academia.  In order to gain any sort of adoption of it again, you're J going to have to reseed the `brain pool'.  That will take a fair amount of? work; still, I can think of a few of ways to reintroduce VMS...   G [1] Create sort of a `play lab' for students where they can explore and H     get familiarized with VMS.  When I was in college, our CS departmentD     maintained a small independent lab of orphaned Sun 3/60 and 3/50I     workstations.  The lab was managed by a handful of the more competent G     students with some help from CS dept. faculty members.  Accounts on G     these systems were available to anyone who asked.  They only had to C     fill out a form and sign a usage policy agreement.  Most of the I     students didn't know or care about the CS lab, but there will be some E     students who were motivated and curious.  I can easily imagine an H     OpenVMS lab, or accessible server, in a similar role.  Such a system8     would likely be found as something unusual and cool.  H [2] Capitalize on the strengths of VMS and try to introduce VMS into theF     curriculum where the study of those strengths is relevant.  VMS isG     known for its high availability, scalability, its security, and its G     real-time capabilities.  And even though it's unlikely the students F     will be directly exposed to VMS in the working world, the conceptsG     embodied in VMS are extremely relevant to the computing problems of G     today.  I think exposure to VMS would be great in any classes which F     study operating systems, security, scalable/distributed computing,C     real-time programming, parallel programming, and probably a few F     others.  Even if there's opposition to VMS because it's not widelyG     used in the workplace, it's concepts are entirely relevant.  A good D     education is about learning fundamental concepts and ideas; it'sG     nothing to do with remembering "which checkboxes in Windows XP do I )     need to click to make the server go."   D In order to get VMS back into schools, as has been mentioned in thisH thread, HP will need to make licensing very simple for universities withI as little cost and as little legal encumberance as possible.  OpenVMS for G academic and research purposes should effectively grant a hobbyist type I site license.  This isn't going to win HP any short term financial gains; I so, if they're expecting to generate more more sales in academia, they'll H be disappointed.  The idea here is to make a longer term investment.  IfE you can't create a new generation of VMS users, VMS will die with the  current generation.   > So, if I were going to do this, it'd go something like this...  C First, the remaining academic users of VMS should get organized and C approach HP with suggestions for creating an academic with very few J strings attached. HP are more likely to listen if they are approached by a@ unified group who have their requirements clearly defined and in
 agreement.  E Next put together open labs as described above with the intent to get I curious students interested in VMS.  Without a doubt, this will require a F /lot/ of effort, including guidance and volunteer work from the peopleB trying to setup such a lab.  Once you get a critical mass of usersH familiar with it, it should become less work as the student experts help? out the newbies. Again, I'd suggest that the VMS folks at these = institution work together to build their "renegade" VMS labs.   H Get some projects going on and between the labs.  Ideally, it'd be greatI to incorporate this into the curriculum, but if not, maybe profs would be J open to letting their students chose OpenVMS as the platform on which theyB could code their C, C++, Lisp, Scheme, Java, etc. assignments.  OrB barring that, then maybe extracurricular projects will have to do.  G Work towards building a successful and thriving little community.  Once I you've got the bugs worked out and a few small success stories under your G belts, put the good word out.  You can leverage forums like Slashdot to J put out a bit of spin and pro-VMS propaganda.  Hell, throw in some insultsG to Unix and Windows to create a bit of controversy.  With any luck, you J might generate enough interest to get VMS in used similarly at a few other
 universities.   F The main challenges would be to get HP on board with making no-hasslesH licenses availble, to get the university willing to make available a bitI of space in a lab or in their server racks, and to find people willing to D expend the effort to enable the students to be successful with their exploration of VMS.   D If HP aren't willing to do /something/ like this, then I'd very muchJ question their intention to support OpenVMS in the future.  If they aren'tE introducing new people to VMS in universities, where exactly are they G introducing it to them?  And if they /aren't/ introducing new people to F VMS, how can HP, or anyone, claim that it has a future as an operating system?    -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----+ Font-o-Meter!      Proportional  Monospaced '                                       ^    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:47:17 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> H Subject: Re: Rejuvenating OpenVMS [was Re: So I went to the HP IT forum]+ Message-ID: <3DBB2985.B45A651@videotron.ca>    Brian Chase wrote:G > I think getting OpenVMS back into universities as a general computing I > platform would be very difficult.  VMS has long since lost its momentum  > in academia.  J Unix is a clustering wannabe.  VMS has what Unix will have years from now.  M Teachers and graduate students currently wouldn't want a legacy system called E VMS. But what if Digital/Compaq/HP/whetever were to volunteer its VMS J ambassadors to give lectures on clustering and disaster tlleran issue ? InC those lectures, obviously VMS' strengths would be used as example.     This will have 2 effects:   K -students, graduate students and teachers will find that those lectures are J giving students information/experience on state of the art clustering thatL their current unix environmment cannot provide. So those guest lectures willL provide the univeristy with a more complete curriculum. And give students anH edge when they get jobs or start volunteering to ikrpove Linux etc etc.   K Having the best clustering system doesn give you any payback unless to make L sure people know you have the best clustering system. If students don't knowK VMS is 10 years ahead of Unix in clustering, then students won't tell their F future employers that the proposed unix solution is far behind VMS for- clustering and mission critical applications.   E And by prosenting VMS as a stand of the art OS to universities, those K ambassadors will get a foot in the door and work to change attitudes within . academia to be more open/positive towards VMS.  N Giving away VMS boxes is pointless if the teachers don't want VMS because theyN see VMS as a legacy system. Present VMS as something the teachers need to haveG in order to teach the state of the art, then all of a sudden, VMS gains 8 stature and the door starts to open for VMS in academia.  L Note that I had made such a suggestion/proposal to Compaq some time ago, but$ of course, no response was received.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2002 21:48:13 -0700) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) ) Subject: Re: So I went to the HP IT forum = Message-ID: <55f85d77.0210262048.35d48f0c@posting.google.com>   d winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote in message news:<00A16025.D49BA4AA@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>... > N > The actual text of the license (last time I looked, when it appeared to haveN > been cut and pasted from the hobbyist license text) didn't support this, and4 > even said it was specifically for single-user use.  K The agreement you posted is also my understanding, however this part is not E my understanding. We have *always* (going back at least 10 years) run  multiple users.   A > It would be nice for the license to reflect what the FAQ says.    I Probably an oversight on someones part. The OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER license is G certainly a part of the CSLG PAK kit. I *VERY MUCH* doubt that this PAK I would be included if you were not allowed multiple users (ie: to use this G PAK). Advanced Server user licenses are not included - we pay for those " the same price everyone else does.  3  Authorization:               A1001-CAMPUSWIDE-1929 0  Product Name:                OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER!  Producer:                    DEC   Units:                       0 )  PAK Termination Date:        30-JAN-2003    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2002 22:27:43 -0700) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) ) Subject: Re: So I went to the HP IT forum = Message-ID: <55f85d77.0210262127.3f803da0@posting.google.com>   d bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<ape8aj$phoj$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>... > J > > We have been on CSLG for longer than I can remember. The program is soM > > excellent I have my home alpha licensed under it, and pay the fee (rather  > > than free hobby license).  > M > Having a home machine on the University's CSLG License seems rather dubious J > legally to me, but then, I am not a lawyer (and I don't play one on TV).  L Ssshhh! don't tell anyone :-). Seriously though, the other option is to haveM a hobby license (I don't have a "PC" at home, only another Alpha with LINUX).   H With a hobby license HP don't get paid, and I can't log into machines atF UNSW (or even *think* about answering UNSW related emails) from home.   J It is win-win. I don't see the problem, as my home machine otherwise fallsJ under all the requirements of the hobby program. I'm certainly not writingJ commercial software on it. Does doing your personal internet banking using$ Mozilla violate the hobby agreement?  M > It also costs money.  Not an insignificant amount either.  Considering that I > the Univeristy and my Department see no true advantage in using VMS for   G Yes, a few hundred bux a year per machine broken up around UNSW (and we H don't even have labs full of OpenVMS workstations, however much I'd likeG this to change). I'd pay for my home machine out of my own pocket (rego G on my turbo diesel 4WD pickup to drive back and forth to work is around H A$750 a year, "land tax" is A$4K a year - ie: it would not be one of the: larger costs in my life), if UNSW did not agree to pay it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 05:33:05 GMT $ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU) Subject: Re: So I went to the HP IT forum 8 Message-ID: <00A160C8.1D4939EF@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  i In article <55f85d77.0210262048.35d48f0c@posting.google.com>, P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) writes: e >winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote in message news:<00A16025.D49BA4AA@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...  >>  O >> The actual text of the license (last time I looked, when it appeared to have O >> been cut and pasted from the hobbyist license text) didn't support this, and 5 >> even said it was specifically for single-user use.  > L >The agreement you posted is also my understanding, however this part is notF >my understanding. We have *always* (going back at least 10 years) run >multiple users. > B >> It would be nice for the license to reflect what the FAQ says.  > J >Probably an oversight on someones part. The OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER license isH >certainly a part of the CSLG PAK kit. I *VERY MUCH* doubt that this PAKJ >would be included if you were not allowed multiple users (ie: to use thisH >PAK). Advanced Server user licenses are not included - we pay for those# >the same price everyone else does.  > 4 > Authorization:               A1001-CAMPUSWIDE-19291 > Product Name:                OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER " > Producer:                    DEC  > Units:                       0* > PAK Termination Date:        30-JAN-2003  M I think we're talking past each other.  CSLG doesn't have OPENVMS-BASE in it. L And you used to be required to have bought a system with a VMS BASE license O in order to have something you could enroll in CSLG.  Compaq (and now HP) offer G a free VMS BASE license as part of the OPENVMSEDU program; they're also L offering a free portfolio of layered product licenses (which was new since I
 last looked).    -- Alan    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 00:21:42 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) - Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3 and SMTP authorization + Message-ID: <apfbim$b95$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>    In article <3DB97816.8040108@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >  >David Webb wrote:[ >> In article <apbcts$v5s@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:  >>  d >>>"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:3DB91ED3.2A473E2D@videotron.ca... >>>  >>> 9 >>>>Now, going to my ISP with a "real" SMTP server: (sun) R >>>>220 VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca -- Server ESMTP (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 >>>>O >>>>So the SMTP server that comes with TCPIP Services isn't keeping up with the % >>>>Joneses in terms of the commands.  >>> Y >>>That's a bit apples and oranges. Having a quick look at Sun's web site, the list price & >>>for their server starts at $20 000. >>>  >>>  >>   >>  P >> And you can get pretty much the same MTA as in the SUNone/Iplanet product for8 >> VMS, Tru64 (and even WindowsNT) from Process as PMDF. >>   > B >Users of both would find that they are similar but they have bothB >diverged and have different capabilites, direct LDAP for example. >    Andrew,   L Are you saying that SunOne doesn't have LDAP support - since PMDF has had it for quite sometime ?    < >PMDF is the SunOne/iPlanet messaging server MTA, a previous= >version  was also the MTA integrated into SIMS Sun's earlier  >Messaging Server. > = >PMDF was integrated into SIMS 3.x and 4.0 and was called IMS ! >if my memory serves me correctly  > D >The PMDF MTA uses SMTP/ESMTP to transfer mail to other SMTP servers1 >and has an API to allow people to program to it.  > > >The message store uses HTTP/IMAP4/POP to talk to its clients. > B >I hope this may go some way to clear up a long standing confusion? >on your part as to what function PMDF actually performs in the A >SIMS/iPlanet Messaging server. It is not the IMAP server its the  >MTA.  > 8 I've always referred in our discussions to the PMDF MTA.L You are the one who has in the past referred to SIMS as just an IMAP server.? I'm glad we both agree that the common element is the PMDF MTA.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >  >regards >Andrew Harrison >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.593 ************************