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 RE: <None>% Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN % Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN + Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs + Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs + Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs + Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs + Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs + Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs  ASSERTFAIL Bugcheck  Re: ASSERTFAIL Bugcheck  Re: Cluster . Re: error message with  "Note from POP server" Re: File Attributes 2 FW: [alphant] FW: 4U Alpha Rackmount Server 533Mhz Re: Immutable laws of the PC Re: Immutable laws of the PC Re: Immutable laws of the PC  Re: Lib$spawn and $PIPE question Lib$spawn and $PIPE question  Re: Lib$spawn and $PIPE question  Re: Lib$spawn and $PIPE question newbie wants command line help" Re: newbie wants command line help" Re: newbie wants command line help" Re: newbie wants command line help" Re: newbie wants command line help" Re: newbie wants command line help0 Re: Now where's the OpenVMS OpenOffice software? RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Oracle Docu for VMS  RE: Oracle Docu for VMS  Re: Oracle Docu for VMS  Re: Oracle Docu for VMS ! Pathworks v6 (AS) & Win2000 (SBS)  RMS File Locks.  Re: RMS File Locks.  Re: RMS File Locks. & TCPIP v 5.3 and bad password ip block?. Re: Unique problem involving virtual terminals VIP software e-mails8 Re: VIP software e-mails (spamming to sell VMS software)8 Re: VIP software e-mails (spamming to sell VMS software)8 Re: VIP software e-mails (spamming to sell VMS software)= VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure A Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure A Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure A Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure A Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure 7 Re: [TCPware V5.6-2] Default Route gets lost (on Alpha)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:37:24 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: <None> 3 Message-ID: <8Nrv9.12784$aa2.140810@news.chello.at>   ` In article <apkqru$2hf4v$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:* >In article <hhWHLvaKjuNt@elias.decus.ch>,- >	p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: J >> This is a difficult one, I'll admit, but I have just been asked to comeH >> up with a figure to compare apps on VMS/Alpha versus how many MIPS onB >> an IBM mainframe (apparently the IBM folks are talking MIPS, so* >> that is the measure we have to go by).. > + >MIPS??  Mythical Instructions Per Second??   J My dictionary spells it: Meaningless Information Provided by a Salesperson   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 07:06:53 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: <None> 3 Message-ID: <W1eiBNRVPtIU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <hhWHLvaKjuNt@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:  >  > Any advice considered.  H    Pick a big number.  OK< first investigate to get some ballpark figureA    using some rought estimate of the MIPS in tha Alpha, then lie.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 07:08:57 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: RE: <None> 3 Message-ID: <EIDfUeEG6wkN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIELLFPAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: ; > FWIW, some years ago we used to figure that 2 VUP = 1 MIP   6    Which is off by anywhere from 0.8 to 2.6, or worse.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 07:34:06 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: RE: <None> 3 Message-ID: <YQTLlpNFwIt3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <EIDfUeEG6wkN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: a > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIELLFPAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: < >> FWIW, some years ago we used to figure that 2 VUP = 1 MIP > 8 >    Which is off by anywhere from 0.8 to 2.6, or worse.  ! Depending on the instruction mix.   I Thus a standard comparison will never exactly predict his own application  performance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:37:13 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: <None> ? Message-ID: <OFD5BC7101.F268E05D-ON85256C61.004FB321@metso.com>   > If you want a VUP number for your alpha, this was submitted on+ Encompasserve by Jack Harvey on 7-SEP-1999.    - - - - - - - - - - 1 $       !VUPOMETER.COM  -  super simple VUP meter ' $       time_start = f$cvtime(,,"time")  $       set noon $       set process/prio=12 
 $       n = 0  $loop: $       n = n + 1 & $       if n .lt. 10000 then goto loop9 $       elapsed_time = f$cvtime("-''time_start'",,"time") . $       mm = f$element( 1, ":", elapsed_time )F $       hss = f$element( 2, ":", elapsed_time ) - "." !hundredths of a second! $       hss = (mm * 6000) + 'hss'  $       vups = 29300/hssI $       write sys$output "VUPs = ''vups'  Elapsed time = ''elapsed_time'"  - - - - - - - - - -     : He claimed about 20% acccuracy then, but it _is_ a metric.  ? He used it mostly to compare performance on the same machine at   3 different times, if he thought it was running slow.         A JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> on 10/28/2002 08:52:56 PM   9 Please respond to JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>    To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:  Subject:    Re: <None>     Paul Sture wrote: E > The question is roughly "How many MIPS does your Alpha app need, so + > that we can price that up in IBM terms?".   D You need to find one commeon metric between *an* IBM system and you.  J If for instance, your Alpha system does 15 tps, and IBM has a model with aG published tps value of 25, and IBM also published MIPS numbers for that  sameI model, then your could faily easily deduct how many "IBM MIPS" your Alpha  has.  J Another possibility is to find some old VAX-ALPHA performance comparisons, atJ which point you may be able to get a VUP number for your current alpha and> since VUPS are essentially a MIPS, you could give that to IBM.    I However, one has to be careful about the application itself. Will its IBM J equivalent perform as efficiently or more efficeintly than the VMS version ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:22:20 GMT & From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@attbi.com> Subject: Re: <None> ) Message-ID: <3DBEB5B1.AC7E07F9@attbi.com>    Tom Linden wrote:  > ; > FWIW, some years ago we used to figure that 2 VUP = 1 MIP   < Yes, if you have the right meaning.  A VAX 11/780 was rather9 thought to deliver equal performance to what, in terms of ; IBM's line-up of the time, would have been a 1 MIP machine; : so, a 1-VUP system (the 780 was, by definition, 1 VUP) was0 about equal to a 1 MIP (meaning IBM MIP) system.  9 But, that 1-VUP 780 running some typical VAX/VMS workload 8 sustained about 11 TPI (Ticks Per Instruction) and had a9 5 MHz clock; hence 1 VUP was equal to .45 MIP (meaning in  this context VAX MIP). --   Cheers, Bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:53:36 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: <None> T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660AED@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Bob,  E Hey - I remember that VAX780 MIPS discussion .. I seem to remember it @ was an internal notesfile discussion somewhere many moons ago ..  E Following on this train of thought, if a VAX780 is "roughly" .5-->1.0 D MIP, then the following url's might be used to get an approximate orH relative weighting of current systems .. Keeping in mind that this is an exercise in mental gymnastics.   :-)   ; http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_tps.html  (note disclaimers)   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)      -----Original Message-----0 From: Bob Willard [mailto:BobwBSGS@attbi.com]=20 Sent: October 29, 2002 11:22 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: <None>      Tom Linden wrote:  >=20= > FWIW, some years ago we used to figure that 2 VUP =3D 1 MIP   G Yes, if you have the right meaning.  A VAX 11/780 was rather thought to C deliver equal performance to what, in terms of IBM's line-up of the G time, would have been a 1 MIP machine; so, a 1-VUP system (the 780 was, B by definition, 1 VUP) was about equal to a 1 MIP (meaning IBM MIP) system.   C But, that 1-VUP 780 running some typical VAX/VMS workload sustained G about 11 TPI (Ticks Per Instruction) and had a 5 MHz clock; hence 1 VUP 7 was equal to .45 MIP (meaning in this context VAX MIP).  --=20  Cheers, Bob    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:02:59 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: <None> 0 Message-ID: <00A162A1.AE93159A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <apkqru$2hf4v$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:* >In article <hhWHLvaKjuNt@elias.decus.ch>,- >	p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: J >> This is a difficult one, I'll admit, but I have just been asked to comeH >> up with a figure to compare apps on VMS/Alpha versus how many MIPS onB >> an IBM mainframe (apparently the IBM folks are talking MIPS, so* >> that is the measure we have to go by).. >>   > + >MIPS??  Mythical Instructions Per Second??    ;)  ? I'd always heard it meant Meaningless Index of Processor Speed.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 11:48:02 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: RE: <None> 3 Message-ID: <EddL+rYuhCn0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660AED@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > G > Following on this train of thought, if a VAX780 is "roughly" .5-->1.0  > MIP   D    Depending on instruction mix, cache hit ratio, etc. I've actuallyE    measured as few as 0.75M actual VAX instructions per second to as  E    many as 2.1M actual VAX instructions per second on an 11/780.  So  *    .5-->1.0 is misleading on the low side.  A    Of coure we didn't count on getting 2.1 MIPS too often in real     applications.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:23:07 +0100 3 From: "Aus, Hans Magnus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> . Subject: Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MINB Message-ID: <aus-B718AA.07230529102002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  ! In article <YJuQ94eLGxeX@rabbit>, 9  sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote:   L > I have just successfully installed a minimum root on one of my disks under	 > V7.3-1:  >  >...   Is the v7.3-1 disk ODS 2 or 5?    C Mine v7.3-1 is on a ODS 5 disk and I've tried to install a minimum  ! system on both ODS 2 and 5 disks.    --  4 Hans Magnus Aus, Wuerzburg, aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:56:18 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond). Subject: Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN0 Message-ID: <Ccyv9.6$Tc1.93276@news.cpqcorp.net>  C In article <aus-18533E.15102828102002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>,  0 "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:  % >Can't install min VMS in VMS 7.3-1.   > H >After selecting the disk, SYS$SYSTEM:AXPVMS$PCSI_INSTALL_MIN.COM hangs  >and nothing happens.   P SYS$SYSTEM:AXPVMS$PCSI_INSTALL_MIN.COM is the same in V7.2-2, V7.3 and V7.3-1.    J Since others have reported that it works O.K. in V7.3-1, it is likely thatO there is something in your particular environment that is causing your problem. L If you need formal support for this problem, please proceed via your normal  software support mechanism.   H If you would like to see this persued informally thorugh this newsgroup,F please supply more details.  If you can capture and post the output of> the command that "hangs", that would be a good starting point.   --  I       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:40:51 +0100 . From: "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de>4 Subject: Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangsB Message-ID: <aus-1CD1E4.08405129102002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  7 In article <Khmv9.29640$iV1.8581@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, .  "Ken Randell" <ken.randell@fortel.com> wrote:   ...>  I > Perhaps you could run it with VERIFY and see what exactly is 'hanging'?  >  >   E The program goes into an endless loop, after I either enter the disk  E name or start the program with the name included in the command line.  ...  $010_message_read:: $read/error=err_exit/end=010_message_end min$messages inpt+ $inpt = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE") D $if f$extract(0,9,inpt) .nes. "$!MESSAGE" then goto 010_message_read $010_message_read:: $read/error=err_exit/end=010_message_end min$messages inpt+ $inpt = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE") D $if f$extract(0,9,inpt) .nes. "$!MESSAGE" then goto 010_message_read $010_message_read:   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:44:15 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs3 Message-ID: <zTrv9.12884$aa2.143704@news.chello.at>   s In article <aus-1CD1E4.08405129102002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes: F >The program goes into an endless loop, after I either enter the disk F >name or start the program with the name included in the command line. >....  >$010_message_read: ; >$read/error=err_exit/end=010_message_end min$messages inpt , >$inpt = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE")E >$if f$extract(0,9,inpt) .nes. "$!MESSAGE" then goto 010_message_read  >$010_message_read: ; >$read/error=err_exit/end=010_message_end min$messages inpt , >$inpt = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE")E >$if f$extract(0,9,inpt) .nes. "$!MESSAGE" then goto 010_message_read  >$010_message_read:   . You could modify the comfile to something like  0 $inpt = f$edit("''inpt'","TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE")  L and see values change (or not change) in VERIFY mode. Probably INPT is empty   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 05:09:55 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 4 Subject: Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs3 Message-ID: <4lRpzXzRmejw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <aus-1CD1E4.08405129102002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:   G > The program goes into an endless loop, after I either enter the disk  G > name or start the program with the name included in the command line.  > ...  > $010_message_read:< > $read/error=err_exit/end=010_message_end min$messages inpt- > $inpt = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE") F > $if f$extract(0,9,inpt) .nes. "$!MESSAGE" then goto 010_message_read > $010_message_read:< > $read/error=err_exit/end=010_message_end min$messages inpt- > $inpt = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE") F > $if f$extract(0,9,inpt) .nes. "$!MESSAGE" then goto 010_message_read > $010_message_read:  I That segment does not indicate anything "infinite".  Eventually it should 9 hit EOF.  Are you sure that min$messages file is intact ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:50:27 +0100 . From: "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de>4 Subject: Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangsB Message-ID: <aus-9D3EED.10502729102002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  < This morning (29 Oct.), I installed v7.3-1 on a ODS-2 disk.   I SYS$SYSTEM:AXPVMS$PCSI_INSTALL_MIN.COM installs a minimum system on both   a ODS-2 and 5 disk.    Hmmm?    --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:00:01 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)4 Subject: Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs0 Message-ID: <5gyv9.9$Tc1.93276@news.cpqcorp.net>  c In article <4lRpzXzRmejw@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: t >In article <aus-1CD1E4.08405129102002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes: > H >> The program goes into an endless loop, after I either enter the disk H >> name or start the program with the name included in the command line. >> ... >> $010_message_read: = >> $read/error=err_exit/end=010_message_end min$messages inpt . >> $inpt = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE")G >> $if f$extract(0,9,inpt) .nes. "$!MESSAGE" then goto 010_message_read " >> $010_message_read:             = >> $read/error=err_exit/end=010_message_end min$messages inpt . >> $inpt = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE")G >> $if f$extract(0,9,inpt) .nes. "$!MESSAGE" then goto 010_message_read  >> $010_message_read:  > J >That segment does not indicate anything "infinite".  Eventually it should: >hit EOF.  Are you sure that min$messages file is intact ?  G This loop DOES go on for a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time, but I doubt that it is  really an "infinite" loop.   --  I       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 11:50:21 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs3 Message-ID: <jKmNjTEH+avw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <Cjyv9.10$Tc1.93276@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) writes: > J > With VERIFY on, it can take a minute or two -- depending on the speed ofC > the display.  (i.e. I hardcopy terminal would take a LOT longer!)  >   )    Now where did I put that LA36 console?    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 06:34:03 -0800" From: horn@shsu.edu (James T Horn) Subject: ASSERTFAIL Bugcheck= Message-ID: <843706dc.0210290634.11a3f890@posting.google.com>   F Anyone familar with the ASSERTFAIL bugcheck? We had a system crash dueC to this bugcheck and can't find anything in connection with OpenVMS  for this error.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 07:56:02 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)   Subject: Re: ASSERTFAIL Bugcheck3 Message-ID: <qmbw9W7zXT4X@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <843706dc.0210290634.11a3f890@posting.google.com>, horn@shsu.edu (James T Horn) writes:H > Anyone familar with the ASSERTFAIL bugcheck? We had a system crash dueE > to this bugcheck and can't find anything in connection with OpenVMS  > for this error.   D The standard technique for bugchecks is "report to HP", so any otherI information regarding them would be expected only in the source listings. G A full analysis would require using SDA.  This can generally be done by F a customer with the source listings, but don't expect to find a method& users can engage to avoid the problem.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:56:16 +0100 $ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at> Subject: Re: Cluster0 Message-ID: <apm0hi$ul2$1@newsreader1.netway.at>  # "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com> wrote 	 > Hi All,  >  > Please through some light. > I > How can I finf out the collecters and the interconnects connected to my   > VAX/Alpha system in a cluster. >  > Thanks > Vivek  > @ If you need to know in a liitle bit mor detail, you can use SDA, invoked by $ANALYZE/SYSTEM> ( this is for Alpha systems, haven't been using VAXen for some  years now ) sda> show portA will show you one or more ports, one of them type : pe, Dev: pea0 ) sda>show port/address=<PDT-address-shown> ; will show you an overview about the custer interconnects on  a few pages,* you can increase the detail level by using, sda>show port/address=<PDT-address-shown>/vc% ( gives you info by virtual-circuit ) " and even increase it more by using2 sda>show port/address=<PDT-address-shown>/vc/chann6 shows channels by circuits ( if you have, for example,  more than one LAN interconnect )   Peter    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:10:59 GMT * From: Mark Boyes <Mark.Boyes@hp.comdespam>7 Subject: Re: error message with  "Note from POP server" 2 Message-ID: <TFwv9.20$q01.432239@news.cpqcorp.net>   Sol Gongola wrote:: > We have:  Compaq TCP/IP V5.1 - ECO 3 with OpenVMS V7.2-1 > H > We sometimes get these error messages.  It usually happens for a large. > email (4 meg or more). We were ok with this.F > However, we have also been receiving these messages for small files.H > On some occasions, purging mail files from the users directory clears  > the problem.   >  <snip>  @ The POP server sends that message *whenever* the underlying API B prematurely returns a NOMOREREC error: this usually means a quota 2 problem but may also indicate a corrupt mail file.   +Mark+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:15:38 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: File Attributes. Message-ID: <3DBED04A.A0DB1A40@mindspring.com>   Carl Perkins wrote:   > > So you you prefer to come here and waste our time by posting. > dumb-ass comments that are incorrect. Great. > ; > Stop wasting our time. If you want to know something, try ? > spending the 2 minutes to find out for yourself. Just because < > you are an ignorant twerp doesn't mean you should show off > that fact. > - > There are two things that are certain here: ' > 1) VMS is better than the OS you use.  > 2) You are an ass.  , Thanks for sharing. Suggestion: research the& psychological meaning of "projection".  5 I offered up a perfectly-valid alternative to writing 0 a bunch of RMS code (and I think the examples of1 working routines bear out my contention that, for / a non-performance-critical job, writing the RMS 0 code would be a *LOT* harder for some folks than4 writing the two or three lines of Perl that would do	 the job).   1 In the process, people helped me understand that, ( while VMS *STILL* doesn't have a general1 equivalent to `backticks`, one could use the libc 0 popen() fucntion if one wished. I thought it was pretty useful discussion.   . Obviously, you disagree. But that's what makes life so exciting!    Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:51:39 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ; Subject: FW: [alphant] FW: 4U Alpha Rackmount Server 533Mhz 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEMGFPAA.tom@kednos.com>    This may interest somebody.    -----Original Message-----/ From: hsiaopei [mailto:hsiaopei@btinternet.com] ' Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:50 AM  To: AlphaNT Mailing List7 Subject: [alphant] FW: 4U Alpha Rackmount Server 533Mhz      Hi,    Sorry for if not interested.@   Someone is selling Alpha server for $200.00 each, total of 10..    Please contact them directly details below.   Alex   -----Original Message-----. Subject: WTS: 4U Alpha Rackmount Server 533Mhz  - URGENT MESSAGE from Duane Beckett at Sunnking : Sent by Tradeloop on Tuesday, Oct 29, 2002 at 09:17 AM EST  6 I have 10 of these servers in stock and ready to ship.0 4U Rackmount w/ Samsumng MB/533MHz proc/PS/Video  6 Asking $200 ea.... 1st PO in my box gets them today...  5 Please visit the following link for complete details> 6 http://web3.uniteu.net/sunnking/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=206  
 Craig Wies Sunnking, Inc. Ph. 5875-638-0095  Fax 585-638-0076 110 Geddes St. Holley, NY 14470 duane@sunnking.com WWW.SUNNKING.COM          D [tom@kednos.com] This is a posting from the AlphaNT Mailing List. To= unsubscribe, forward this message (Including these lines) to: E <unsub-AlphaNT@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>.  List Charter and FAQ at: 6 <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/alphant-list_charter. htm>   --- & Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/2002    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/2002    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:57:57 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>% Subject: Re: Immutable laws of the PC & Message-ID: <3DBE3175.1090309@home.nl>   Elliott Roper wrote:  C >In article <zWgv9.40$b9.1806442@news.cpqcorp.net>, Fred Kleinsorge % ><kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  >  >    > G >>Atlant Schmidt wrote in message <3DBD8598.245A9CA5@mindspring.com>...  >>     >> ><snip>  >  >    > I >>Really?  I can easily see running into a 32-bit *physical* limit, but I M >>wanna know what single application virtual address space requires that 33rd K >>bit on a typical home computer today, or even in 3 years.  We can come up M >>with a list of things that potentially *could* use it... but that isn't the J >>same as requiring it.  Nor do I believe that any ISV in their right mindJ >>would target the 64-bit space at the exclusion of the 32-bit space.  TooL >>many IA32 systems in the world.   So far, I haven't heard what the "killer >>app" for desktop 64 bits is. >> >> >>     >>5 >>>You *BET* I'll stretch to buy those retread 64-bit / >>>Power4 chips when IBM starts selling them to ! >>>Apple to fit into Macintoshes!  >>> 	 >>>        >>> : >>Yeah, but Atlant I *know* you are the lunatic fringe ;-) >>     >> >  >I'll be lining up too!  >    > + >>>I wouldn't expect the PC world to be any 
 >>>different.  >>> 6 >>>And there's really no need to wait for applications8 >>>to port; it'd be an entirely obvious thing to provide0 >>>a 32-bit environment within the larger 64-bit- >>>environment just like MacOS/X provides the 3 >>>"Classic" (MacOS/9) operating environment within 0 >>>a much-richer MacOS/X environment. And within5 >>>Classic is a full MC68K emulation so programs last 4 >>>compiled for the pre-RISC architecture still run! >>> 	 >>>        >>> G >>You don't need a 64-bit machine, to add more than 32 bits of physical H >>addressing, as long as the virtual addressing remains limited within a >>single VA to 32-bits.  >>     >> > E >Sounds like the PDP-11 all over again. More physical memory than you @ >can address. What will they call UMRs and APRs this time round? > E >Are you old enough to remember TKB and ODL Fred? We don't want to go  >through *that* again do we? > B Aaaaah, those were the days. Squeezing the last bytes out of your D source, so you could build a task with memory resident overlay :-) .   >  >Elliott >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:22:53 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>% Subject: Re: Immutable laws of the PC . Message-ID: <3DBED1FD.48FA1C18@mindspring.com>   Elliott Roper wrote:  F > Are you old enough to remember TKB and ODL Fred? We don't want to go > through *that* again do we?   5 (I'm not Fred, but...) (a fact that Fred is doubtless 0 very grateful for) (We now end our parenthetical interruptions) (Really)   4 For years, there was a "wishlist" whiteboard outside9 the office of the majintainer of the TaskBUilder. And for , years, the *TOP* request on the wishlist was     "Same-day Service!"     + Oh yes, I *CERTAINLY* remember both the TKB / and ODLs, and yes, I sure do remember trying to 4 squeeze bytes out of an overlay so it would fit into2 its window. I wrote a customized version of TPARSE6 just to save two words per transition for exactly that reason!    Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:30:40 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>% Subject: Re: Immutable laws of the PC . Message-ID: <3DBED3D0.15D89D57@mindspring.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  G > Atlant Schmidt wrote in message <3DBD8598.245A9CA5@mindspring.com>...  > 4 > >Fred, I'm sorry, but this sounds naive. Nowadays,/ > >I won't buy a computer for our SOHO that has 2 > >less than a Gigabyte of main memory. Now, IIRC,6 > >main memory usage is growing at a rate of something; > >like 1.2 bits/year, so in just 3+ years, I can expect to " > >be bumping the 32-bit VM limit. > I > Really?  I can easily see running into a 32-bit *physical* limit, but I M > wanna know what single application virtual address space requires that 33rd K > bit on a typical home computer today, or even in 3 years.  We can come up M > with a list of things that potentially *could* use it... but that isn't the J > same as requiring it.  Nor do I believe that any ISV in their right mindJ > would target the 64-bit space at the exclusion of the 32-bit space.  TooL > many IA32 systems in the world.   So far, I haven't heard what the "killer > app" for desktop 64 bits is.  / Photoshop. Yes, I mean it. When you think about 1 multiple levels of "undo" and the like, Photoshop + can easily consume a trans-finite amount of  memory.   2 Non-Linear Video Editing. It could use *TERABYTES*1 of main memory if it were economical, even before  "undo" buffers.     (Cheap-shot "Word" joke removed)    5 > >You *BET* I'll stretch to buy those retread 64-bit / > >Power4 chips when IBM starts selling them to ! > >Apple to fit into Macintoshes!  > >  > : > Yeah, but Atlant I *know* you are the lunatic fringe ;-)  0 Aww, gee, Fred -- that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me!     Atlant   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 05:53:49 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org) Subject: Re: Lib$spawn and $PIPE question 3 Message-ID: <GxyB8T2q5RLw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <qIuv9.3803$et4.540723@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  > Folks, >  > I've got a DCL PIPE command that works interactively but not from Lib$Spawn within Compaq-BASIC. I'm running Compaq-BASIC 1.5 under 3 > OpenVMS-7.3-1. Can anyone shed any light on this?   E 1.  Apostrophe substitution does not work in a command line submitted + to the CLI through the LIB$SPAWN interface.   @ 2.  Apostrophe substitution in a PIPE command takes place before PIPE sub-command execution.   ? Not only does your command not work from LIB$SPAWN, if you look ? carefully, you will discover that it doesn't work interactively  either.    $ A = "BEFORE"% $ PIPE A = "AFTER" ; SHOW LOGICAL 'A' 6 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name BEFORE   $ A = "BEFORE"$ $ PIPE A = "AFTER" ; SHOW LOGICAL &A5 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name AFTER   < Use ampersand substitution and both problems will be solved.   	John Briggs   > $ ty AAA_FILE_ATTRIBUTES.bas$ > 1 ! title: aaa_file_attributes.bas >   option type=explicit >   declare long rc% ,&  >   string cmd1$ ,& 	 >   cmd2$  >   ! F >   %include "lib$routines" %FROM %LIBRARY "SYS$LIBRARY:BASIC$STARLET" >   ! d >   cmd1$ = 'pipe yada == f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; write sys$output yada' ! this works >   print cmd1$  >   rc% = lib$spawn(cmd1$)
 >   print rc%  >   ! m >   cmd2$ = 'pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/sys yadalog '+ "'yada'" ! this does not  >   print cmd2$  >   rc% = lib$spawn(cmd2$)
 >   print rc%  >   !  >   end  > $  >  > $ r AAA_FILE_ATTRIBUTES K > pipe yada == f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; write sys$output yada  > 1555 > 1 M > pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/sys yadalog 'yada' B > %DCL-W-NULFIL, missing or invalid file specification - respecify > 1  > $  > O > $ pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/sys yadalog 'yada'  > $ Z > no errors were displayed after the previous DCL command and the logical name was created >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:57:06 -0500E) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>>% Subject: Lib$spawn and $PIPE questione9 Message-ID: <qIuv9.3803$et4.540723@news20.bellglobal.com>P   Folks,   I've got a DCL PIPE command that works interactively but not from Lib$Spawn within Compaq-BASIC. I'm running Compaq-BASIC 1.5 underI1 OpenVMS-7.3-1. Can anyone shed any light on this?g  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,g Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/E     $ ty AAA_FILE_ATTRIBUTES.bas" 1 ! title: aaa_file_attributes.bas   option type=explicit   declare long rc% ,&t   string cmd1$ ,&a   cmd2$U   !aD   %include "lib$routines" %FROM %LIBRARY "SYS$LIBRARY:BASIC$STARLET"   !ob   cmd1$ = 'pipe yada == f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; write sys$output yada' ! this works
   print cmd1$w   rc% = lib$spawn(cmd1$)   print rc%    ! k   cmd2$ = 'pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/sys yadalog '+ "'yada'" ! this does note
   print cmd2$w   rc% = lib$spawn(cmd2$)   print rc%s   !a   end  $p   $ r AAA_FILE_ATTRIBUTESlI pipe yada == f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; write sys$output yada- 1555 1IK pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/sys yadalog 'yada' @ %DCL-W-NULFIL, missing or invalid file specification - respecify 1e $c  M $ pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/sys yadalog 'yada'  $cX no errors were displayed after the previous DCL command and the logical name was created   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Oct 2002 12:59:28 GMT) From: rankin@pactechdata.com (Pat Rankin)t) Subject: Re: Lib$spawn and $PIPE question)/ Message-ID: <29OCT200204580810@pactechdata.com>i  : In article <qIuv9.3803$et4.540723@news20.bellglobal.com>,\.  "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes...C > I've got a DCL PIPE command that works interactively but not fromgC > Lib$Spawn within Compaq-BASIC. I'm running Compaq-BASIC 1.5 undert3 > OpenVMS-7.3-1. Can anyone shed any light on this?.  A      If you log out and then back in, you'll find that it doesn't-> really work interactively either.  It only seems to be working? because your symbol has retained a value from previous testing.E@ With the single quote symbol expansion in use, that old value is? being substituted into the command line by DCL before PIPE evend begins doing anything.  @      Change 'yada' to &yada and you'll get the results you want.  2                 Pat Rankin, rankin@pactechdata.com   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 10:59:29 -0800, From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow)) Subject: Re: Lib$spawn and $PIPE questionr= Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0210291059.25d34c22@posting.google.com>t  j "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<qIuv9.3803$et4.540723@news20.bellglobal.com>... ...gO > $ pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/sys yadalog 'yada'e > $ Z > no errors were displayed after the previous DCL command and the logical name was created    < Just running slightly different pipe commands on OpenVMS 7.3 directly from DCL I get:  D $pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/system/log yadalog "''yada'"e( %SYSTEM-F-IVLOGNAM, invalid logical name  E C$pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/system/log. yadalog "''yada'"t? %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of YADALOG has been supersededf   C$deassign/system yadalogb  E C$pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/system/logh yadalog "''yada'"- C$deassign/system yadaloga  F The define/system command displays an error the first time but not the second time.   I then did the following:D   $show logical yadalogs7 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name YADALOGmE C$pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/system/logs1 yadalog "X" ; define/system/log yadalog "''yada'"i? %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of YADALOG has been superseded- C$sho log yadalog %    "YADALOG" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)   F I included a temporary define before the desired define and it worked.  F I do not use the pipe command and I do not know why that is happening.  1 Maybe someone else can explain what is happening.b   Jim Strehlow, Data911.comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:45:49 -0000c From: "td" <bob@bob.com>' Subject: newbie wants command line help=% Message-ID: <apm3fl$3n4$1@rdel.co.uk>r    I am new to VMS so bear with me!  L I would like to define my own search command in my login script that will do the following:  K search *.* <parameter string> /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)c   so - for example if I do:    mysearch "Hello there!"j  J it will search all files (except for the exclusions) for the string.  I amI unsure of how to pass in the parameter, but I guess it is along the lineso of:e  I mysearch := = sear *.* 'P1' /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)R     Thanks   teedee   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 07:15:58 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: newbie wants command line help 3 Message-ID: <M4pyJWPrKvfv@eisner.encompasserve.org>(  @ In article <apm3fl$3n4$1@rdel.co.uk>, "td" <bob@bob.com> writes:" > I am new to VMS so bear with me! > N > I would like to define my own search command in my login script that will do > the following: > M > search *.* <parameter string> /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)' >  > so - for example if I do:c >  > mysearch "Hello there!", > L > it will search all files (except for the exclusions) for the string.  I amK > unsure of how to pass in the parameter, but I guess it is along the linesM > of:f > K > mysearch := = sear *.* 'P1' /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)z  C    You can't pass parameters into a command symbol.  You'll need to 2    create a command file, so set up the symbol as:  " $mysearch == "@sys$login:mysearch"  %    and in sys$login:mysearch.com put:   > $search *.* 'p1' /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 15:02:58 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) + Subject: Re: newbie wants command line helps+ Message-ID: <HOaALyIsAp0v@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>e  @ In article <apm3fl$3n4$1@rdel.co.uk>, "td" <bob@bob.com> writes:" > I am new to VMS so bear with me!N > I would like to define my own search command in my login script that will do > the following: > M > search *.* <parameter string> /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)  >  > so - for example if I do:s > mysearch "Hello there!"pL > it will search all files (except for the exclusions) for the string.  I amK > unsure of how to pass in the parameter, but I guess it is along the linesu > of:c > K > mysearch := = sear *.* 'P1' /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)  >   + No, leave out the 'P1' from the definition. D The 'P1' construct is for use inside command-procedures ("scripts"),N for command-aliases, the parameters simply are added to the symbol definition.  B $ mysearch :== search *.*/exclude=(*.olb,*.*exe,*.uid,*.obj,*.hlb)   --: Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Max-Planck-Institut Physik,Muenchen, : http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber                            ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:42:27 -0500V! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>1+ Subject: Re: newbie wants command line help K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B8E@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   E    You don't explicitly state the p1 unless you're using it inside of     a command procedure.m  C    $ mysearch :== sear/exclude=(*.olb,*.*exe,*.uid,*.obj,*.hlb) *.*     $ show sym mysearchA   MYSEARCH == "SEAR/EXCLUDE=(*.OLB,*.*EXE,*.UID,*.OBJ,*.HLB) *.*"     $ mysearch abc123A %SEARCH-I-NULLFILE, file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DECW$SM.LOG;98 conta  ins no records@ %SEARCH-I-NULLFILE, file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DOCUMENTATION.DIR;1 contains no records.A %SEARCH-I-NULLFILE, file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DW_00001241.TMP;1 cor ntains no recordse  	    <snip>   ' %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matcheds    $    $ mysearch ende:g   ******************************0 SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]ABS_NOTIFICATION_SETUP.COM;2   $ ende:a  	    <snip>a   Hope This Helped--     WWWebb  # ===================================s      I am new to VMS so bear with me!  L I would like to define my own search command in my login script that will do the following:  K search *.* <parameter string> /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)o   so - for example if I do:c   mysearch "Hello there!"o  J it will search all files (except for the exclusions) for the string.  I amI unsure of how to pass in the parameter, but I guess it is along the lineso of:e  I mysearch := = sear *.* 'P1' /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)r     Thanks   teedee   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:03:59 -0500I+ From: "Martin O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>k+ Subject: Re: newbie wants command line help 5 Message-ID: <apm816$2u4kl$1@ID-118202.news.dfncis.de>-  % Define your command without the 'P1':2S                 mysearch :== sear *.* /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)e now-'                 mysearch "Hello there!"  should work.   Martyf  C "td" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message news:apm3fl$3n4$1@rdel.co.uk...e  I am new to VMS so bear with me!  L I would like to define my own search command in my login script that will do the following:  K search *.* <parameter string> /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)n   so - for example if I do:P   mysearch "Hello there!"a  J it will search all files (except for the exclusions) for the string.  I amI unsure of how to pass in the parameter, but I guess it is along the lines  of:l  I mysearch := = sear *.* 'P1' /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)n     Thanks   teedee   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 11:43:03 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: newbie wants command line helpO3 Message-ID: <tWCQFuMcYsor@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  Y In article <apm86s$jj5$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes:  > Or more simply > J > mysearch :== search *.*  /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)   >   G    Yep, in this case that's easier.  In general you may need to use theV#    command file for similar things.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:12:46 +0000m% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>r9 Subject: Re: Now where's the OpenVMS OpenOffice software?r8 Message-ID: <p4ksrukaj36u6soji4r1q0q927hg5vrn5r@4ax.com>  E On 29 Oct 2002 02:32:19 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>P wrote:  @ >"Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk> writes: >e+ >> <http://www.newmonday.co.uk/Job/3705704>s >a3 >Isn't that the one of the `big 5' that IBM bought??  C Nope  think that was just "Monday" part of Price Watercloset Cooper2 previously.i -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:55:57 -0500a# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>e% Subject: RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWINGr: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDGEMACBAA.dallen@nist.gov>  J 	I would like to add that I'm not trying to point fingers or blame anyone.N 	Just trying to help someone not familiar with VMS APIs with a coding problem.M 	I don't know who wrote CSWING and don't care.  It's undoubtedly been tweakedeN 	by more than one individual and as Hoff pointed out everyone including your'sR 	truly, has written their share of weak code and hopefully most of us have learnedL 	from our errors.  I'll try to follow up with Grant at Western Michigan withN 	regard to his patches and Craig's observations. Quite frankly, without havingQ 	read the relevant I/O User's Guide sections and having seen only the posted codeSP 	snippets from Craig and Carlos, I'm surprised that get_dirs() ever worked! That 	alone piques my interest.   	Dan   > -----Original Message-----> > From: Craig A. Berry [mailto:craigberry@nospam.telocity.com]) > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:10 PMm > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml' > Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING  >  > < > In article <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDGEKPCBAA.dallen@nist.gov>,' >  "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> wrote:  > R > > 	And as Craig Berry has pointed out (see below) the problem would appear to be& > > 	an application error in CSWING.   > E > I want to make clear that my intention was to point aficionados of -G > CSWING toward a possible solution.  The ratio of blame to insight in e( > this thread has been a bit depressing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:30:08 +0100p% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>- Subject: Oracle Docu for VMS% Message-ID: <3dbe3900$1@news.post.ch>s   Hello,   underd  = http://technet.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/content.html-  I one can find all kind of plattform specific docu, but none for VMS. TherevA should be some. At least the product exists. I just installed it.l  * Can somebody point me to the OpenVMS Docu?     best regards   Jakobd   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:51:11 -0500s' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>a  Subject: RE: Oracle Docu for VMST Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9813@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Jacob,  " Re: Oracle / OpenVMS documentation  E Here is extract from Metalink article Note:156294.1 (By the way - areE+ not these doc's on the installation Cdrom?)a   >>>a  H 9. Where are the OpenVMS-specific Installation and Administration guides$ for Oracle Server release 9.0.1.0.0?  E Hard copy guides are not included in the release kit. Order hard-copya+ documents using the following part numbers:e  F - A90868-01 Oracle9i Server and Tools Administrator's Guide, Release 1 (9.0.1) for Alpha OpenVMS.C - A90869-01 Oracle9i Installation Guide Release 1 (9.0.1) for Alpha= OpenVMS.H - A90870-01 Oracle9i Release Notes, Release 1 (9.0.1) for Alpha OpenVMS.G - A95129-01 Oracle Real Application Cluster Addendum, Release 1 (9.0.1)e for Alpha OpenVMS.  D Note 1:  The documentation provided on CD-ROM in your release kit is generic, not platform-specific.    <<<r  
 Kerry Main Solutions Architectc Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicese Voice: 613-592-4660_ Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message------ From: Jakob Erber [mailto:erberj@yahoo.de]=20o Sent: October 29, 2002 2:30 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr Subject: Oracle Docu for VMS     Hello,   undert  = http://technet.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/content.html.  C one can find all kind of plattform specific docu, but none for VMS.oG There should be some. At least the product exists. I just installed it."  * Can somebody point me to the OpenVMS Docu?     best regards   Jakob    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:36:44 GMT $ From: "John" <jhook@regenstrief.org>  Subject: Re: Oracle Docu for VMS* Message-ID: <whvv9.2$ep.1614@news.ind.net>  I Please ignore my previous post. That link works, but you need to dig down:; through the "other" link on the page. Try this one instead:j  ; http://docs.oracle.com/a91377/0/unixdoc/product_0/index.htm4   John  0 "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> wrote in message news:3dbe3900$1@news.post.ch...- > Hello, >, > under  >"? > http://technet.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/content.htmln >dK > one can find all kind of plattform specific docu, but none for VMS. TheretC > should be some. At least the product exists. I just installed it.  >r, > Can somebody point me to the OpenVMS Docu? >e >n > best regards >t > JakobI >O >P >U   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:30:28 +0100_% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>o  Subject: Re: Oracle Docu for VMS, Message-ID: <3dbed59f$1@news.swissonline.ch>   Thanks for your help.$  1 Is there no plattform specific programmers guide?s   Jakob    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 09:45:59 -0800% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) * Subject: Pathworks v6 (AS) & Win2000 (SBS)= Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0210290945.29d37ce8@posting.google.com>2   OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2'       Pathworks License: PWLMXXXCA07.02   Currently installed is:0    Pathworks for OpenVMS (Advanced Server) V6.0B  5    MAJOR PROBLEMS now that a Win2000 (Small Business i"    Server) has joined the network.  6 This site is over 600 miles away and it will be awhile5 before they can get updated to the latest versions of 5 everything (they still haven't received their kit andm3 who knows when the pwrks licenses will arrive! Yes,-' we've inquired to the proper person's.)0  4 I know that Pathworks V6.0B has some serious issues.7 I believe that PW V6.0C is the newest "working" releaseN8 that will run on this version of VMS and PW license but 8 I can't confirm this with the doc's I have. I can't seem9 to search it out of the WWW, nor have I been able to finda; the LP CD which contains it. I'd go to pure Advanced Server.4 now if I could, but from 600 miles away I don't feel comfortable taking that step.   = The remote site has V7.2-1 and some older kits. I've searchedt; the ones I have, but I don't have v7.1 thru v7.2-1 here. I s> could easily have missed something as I don't have all of the < paper, just the CDs. It also looks like the Pathworks ECO's " are still not available on-line???  5 The problem, in case someone has been here before, is 9 that only the Administrator can connect to the Pathworks i7 shares now. I've removed all protection and restrictionP9 on a test share with everyone having full control and seto5 World:RWED on the host and removed all ACL's from the 2 top down. A user is still prompted for a password 5 when trying to connect, and only the administrator's a name and password works. s  : The Alpha had to join the domain as a BDC (W2K SBS doesn't: allow trusts!) and I suspect there's something amiss with 9 the account synch or netlogin service or some such but I  8 can't seem to tinker it out. According to the logs, the = account synch is happening (although, too often, I know about : this bug.) W2K SBS is a strange animal that I've never had6 to deal with before, and I hope I never see one again!  : My goal is to get VMS & all LPs upgraded, but in the mean 9 time I'd like to get the shares working without everyone m having to be admin.a  @ Can anyone offer help with any settings I should check? And/Or, > does anyone know which ECO or update I need to find and where , I might find it? (On-line or just from CSC?)    TIA,     DL Phillips   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:03:49 -0000I* From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> Subject: RMS File Locks.M Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E9E9@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>I   Please could Some one Help?d  H We have just upgraded to 7.3-1 from 7.2-1, everything appears OK, but we, used to use a program called 'blocking'(fromK http://www.process.com/openvms/) which would tell us who was locking an RMSr$ record in a specified database file.J After the upgrade this program no longer works. Does anyone have a program which works with OVMS 7.3-1 ?IF I have tried using the findlocks program off the freeware disk, but itL doesn't work with only one file and fills the screen with all the file locks3 on the system, which does get a little complicated.L AlsoJ Because the blocking program no longer works, has how the system deal withG locks changed, and is this also likely to come and haunt me in the nearf future?c   Thank you in advance   Andrew Robinson  o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:48:10 -0700a) From: "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com>n Subject: Re: RMS File Locks., Message-ID: <apmdt202qq7@enews2.newsguy.com>  : On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:03:49 +0000, Andrew Robinson wrote:   > Please could Some one Help?e > J > We have just upgraded to 7.3-1 from 7.2-1, everything appears OK, but we. > used to use a program called 'blocking'(fromM > http://www.process.com/openvms/) which would tell us who was locking an RMSa& > record in a specified database file.L > After the upgrade this program no longer works. Does anyone have a program > which works with OVMS 7.3-1 ? H > I have tried using the findlocks program off the freeware disk, but itN > doesn't work with only one file and fills the screen with all the file locks5 > on the system, which does get a little complicated.o > AlsoL > Because the blocking program no longer works, has how the system deal withI > locks changed, and is this also likely to come and haunt me in the nearo	 > future?a >  > Thank you in advance >  > Andrew Robinsond    > There's a findlocks on the OpenVMS freeware cd's that I use...   Jamesi   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 13:01:18 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)  Subject: Re: RMS File Locks.+ Message-ID: <03$ZZQVlZ7li@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>e  z In article <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E9E9@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>, Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> writes: > Please could Some one Help?" > J > We have just upgraded to 7.3-1 from 7.2-1, everything appears OK, but we. > used to use a program called 'blocking'(fromM > http://www.process.com/openvms/) which would tell us who was locking an RMSu& > record in a specified database file.  > Not using it myself, just a quick look in the build procedure  lets me ask:  A Are You aware of the fact, that blocking is linked /SYSEXE , and r& to alpha$loadable_images:rmsdef.stb  ?   Did You rebuild ?    --: Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Max-Planck-Institut Physik,Muenchen, : http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber                            ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:18:50 -0700-) From: "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com>2/ Subject: TCPIP v 5.3 and bad password ip block?<, Message-ID: <apmfmi026ki@enews4.newsguy.com>  H Just a quick question is all....after upgrading to 5.3 on OpenVMS 7.2-1,F now one someone types in their pass a few times wrong it locks out theG machine...system can't even log in =(  Any help on where to change thisr setting?  Thanks!t   Jamesm   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:14:06 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)7 Subject: Re: Unique problem involving virtual terminalsa- Message-ID: <apm1iu$ma$1@newslocal.mitre.org>h   Stephen Eickhoff <seickhoff@mind-spring.com> writes in article <3DBE0773.1070309@mind-spring.com> dated Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:59:02 GMT:H >I run a site which hosts, among other things, the classic game GalacticC >Trader. Galactic Trader was intended for reliable LANs and not theoH >internet, so handling players who disconnect has been a real problem. IH >thought the best solution for this was to enable virtual terminals, butG >after some testing I realized that these are controlled by user ID and H >not originating IP. This is a problem because, so that I didn't have toI >create a new account for every new player, I created one captive accounttE >with no password (and no privs) for the players to logon with. So ifsI >someone disconnects, the next player to telnet in could resume the otheru >player's session if they wish.r   Two different ideas:  K 1.  Set DISRECONNECT on the account, then use a command procedure to decidegB whether to "manually" reconnect.  The AUTHORIZE documentation says  F      DISRECONNECT       Disables automatic reconnection to an existing>                         process when a terminal connection has?                         been interrupted. By default, automaticoA                         reconnection is enabled (NODISRECONNECT).e  J I interpret the use of "automatic" here to mean the flag does not prohibit= reconnection via the CONNECT command, but I haven't tried it.-  K You can set the process name to the IP address.  As long as you're on IPv4, J that's 15 chars or less.  It would prohibit multiple concurrent users from# behind the same NAT router, though.   I 2.  Captive, privileged "REGISTER" account which generates a captive game I account.  Make it self-throttling (say, 100 accounts per hour max) so youf7 don't open yourself up to a flood-the-UAF DoS attack.  n  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgs> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:59:09 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>o Subject: VIP software e-mails < Message-ID: <xCvv9.77703$r7.1499327@twister.tampabay.rr.com>  D Does anyone know anything about the e-mails I have been getting from
 info@momss.nluH It is about some software called "VIP" for VMS Information Provider.  ItK allows you to do things like stop all the process using a particular image,m@ even across a cluster.  I could find a lot of uses for that one.  @ They actually have a pretty good web site:  http://www.momss.nl/$ I just have a problem with the spam.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 07:31:58 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) A Subject: Re: VIP software e-mails (spamming to sell VMS software)u3 Message-ID: <VRfswQgrx1TA@eisner.encompasserve.org>B  b In article <xCvv9.77703$r7.1499327@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:F > Does anyone know anything about the e-mails I have been getting from > info@momss.nlwJ > It is about some software called "VIP" for VMS Information Provider.  ItM > allows you to do things like stop all the process using a particular image,mB > even across a cluster.  I could find a lot of uses for that one. > B > They actually have a pretty good web site:  http://www.momss.nl/& > I just have a problem with the spam.  N ==============================================================================I The Boulder Pledge: "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anythinggJ      offered to me as the result of an unsolicited email message. Nor willI      I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warningsrH      to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival      of the online community."N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Oct 2002 15:16:18 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: VIP software e-mails (spamming to sell VMS software) 5 Message-ID: <apm8nv$2t78i$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>o  3 In article <VRfswQgrx1TA@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:d > In article <xCvv9.77703$r7.1499327@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:G >> Does anyone know anything about the e-mails I have been getting fromn >> info@momss.nlK >> It is about some software called "VIP" for VMS Information Provider.  IttN >> allows you to do things like stop all the process using a particular image,C >> even across a cluster.  I could find a lot of uses for that one.l >> eC >> They actually have a pretty good web site:  http://www.momss.nl/ ' >> I just have a problem with the spam.n > P > ==============================================================================K > The Boulder Pledge: "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anythingwL >      offered to me as the result of an unsolicited email message. Nor willK >      I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warningsmJ >      to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival  >      of the online community."P > ==============================================================================  7 I sent it to them.  They responded by SPAMing me again.8   Some people just don't get it.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   r   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:38:48 +0000 (UTC)e, From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)A Subject: Re: VIP software e-mails (spamming to sell VMS software)R. Message-ID: <apma27$154$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes in article <VRfswQgrx1TA@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 29 Oct 2002 07:31:58 -0600:RO >============================================================================== J >The Boulder Pledge: "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anythingK >     offered to me as the result of an unsolicited email message. Nor will J >     I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warningsI >     to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival. >     of the online community." O >==============================================================================   J They sent it to me too, and I think there's a human in the loop because my1 e-mail address is munged in my recent articles.  a  E The irony is that if they had posted the ad in comp.os.vms instead ofiH mailing it to me, I would consider the ad germane to the forum and would examine the product!  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgr> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:32:16 -0500*! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> F Subject: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measureK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B8F@rlghncst964.usps.gov>T  5 Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond.   How should it be defined?p   :^)d   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:11:25 GMTcF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)J Subject: Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure2 Message-ID: <hbAv9.15$ar1.742454@news.cpqcorp.net>  o In article <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B8F@rlghncst964.usps.gov>, VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> writes:h >s6 >Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond.  >How should it be defined? >-  < 1 Redmond = 1 ton of 11 x 14 inch green bar paper containing a program listing.     -- a(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have at5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.I   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Oct 2002 18:17:15 GMT2 From: ap333@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Marvin Kaplansky)J Subject: Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure. Message-ID: <apmjbb$f1$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>  H 1 redmond = mean time between system crashes, or alternatively, the meanF time between reboots required to correct problems that will eventually result in a system crash.t   Marvin Kaplansky    $  VAXVMS (bounce@notmail.com)writes: 7 > Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond. n > How should it be defined?  >  > :^)" >  > ========================" > William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS > OpenVMS Support Services( > 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800< > 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:46:35 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>J Subject: Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure- Message-ID: <3DBED78B.A9E247B@mindspring.com>i  
 VAXVMS wrote:4  6 > Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond. > How should it be defined?p  - That would be the unit of time between cursesp+ and other complaints emitted by the average) Microsoft user:a  #   <keystroke><keystroke><keystroke>r	   "Damn!" #   <keystroke><keystroke><keystroke> #   <keystroke><keystroke><keystroke> 
   "Blast!"#   <keystroke><keystroke><keystroke>r   "Oh no, not again!""   Atlant   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 11:57:40 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)LJ Subject: Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure3 Message-ID: <nbIfVj7TFLWM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B8F@rlghncst964.usps.gov>, VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> writes:w > 7 > Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond. a > How should it be defined?  >   F    Logarithmic scale of the resource consumption increase per release.  G    n redmond means the new release consumes only n orders of magnitude  -    more reasources than the previous release.s  	    As in:y  B       Windows 2003 SP2 is expected to consume 2 redmond more than C       Windows 2000 SP4, so be sure to upgrade your TAM from 5GB to lF       1/2 TB, with similar increases to your processor and disk space.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:24:08 GMTl. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)@ Subject: Re: [TCPware V5.6-2] Default Route gets lost (on Alpha)3 Message-ID: <cltv9.14372$aa2.152844@news.chello.at>E  V In article <01KO7PTZ92BG9LZ6FO@PROCESS.COM>, Geoff Bryant <bryant@process.com> writes: >Do you have Gated enabled?     & Yes and that was obviously the reason.G I should have known that (the 224.0.0.9 make it also clear) but alas...n: Though GATED seems properly configured for what I intended  	 rip yes {p         nobroadcast; };  K the problem is, that GATED is not required here (in contrast to my previous7F company) because I've only one LAN with only one Router which does NOT% broadcast (RIP or OSPF or what else).s  8 Disabling GATED again and the bad behaviour disappeared.E On my VAX where the problem did not pop up, GATED was disabled (as it. should be here at home).  ' So the question(s) is/are now differentdE 1) Why does GATED delete the default route ? Only because there is no-> 	broadcasting router ? Or do I need to enter the default route9 	in addition to TCPWARE_CONFIGURE.COM in the GATED.CONF ?sB 2) Why does GATED delete the default route only in 9 of 10 cases ?A 	I mentioned this in my first posting. That is the strange one...\@ 3) Why does GATED delete the default route only the first time ?6 	NETCU SET GATEWAY it again and the route keeps there.@ 	Is it required to enter the default route in the GATED.CONF (orD 	set it after GATED started) to make it aware of the default route ?< 4) Why did GATED of TCPware V5.5-3 not show this behaviour ?C 	Remember, I did only upgrade TCPware but did not change the configr& 	and the behaviour started to be seen.  F >Have you searched TCPWARE:*.COM for any NETCU REMOVE ROUTE commands?    There are none of course.t  " And there is also no NETWARE here.   Thanks for the right hint...   -- g Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERl% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.598 ************************