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 Re: <None>% Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN + Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs + Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs + Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs  Re: ASSERTFAIL Bugcheck  Re: ASSERTFAIL Bugcheck  Re: Cluster ' Re: Does anyone use P7 in DCPS$STARTUP? # Does anyone use P7 in DCPS$STARTUP? ' Re: Does anyone use P7 in DCPS$STARTUP?  Re: DS10 power consumption6 For sale: DEC Alpha 3000/400 + OpenVMS Manuals + Books: Re: For sale: DEC Alpha 3000/400 + OpenVMS Manuals + Books% HP's multi-O/S strategy has broadened ) Re: HP's multi-O/S strategy has broadened ) Re: HP's multi-O/S strategy has broadened ) Re: HP's multi-O/S strategy has broadened   Re: Lib$spawn and $PIPE question  Re: Lib$spawn and $PIPE question" Re: newbie wants command line help RE: Oracle Docu for VMS  Palladium article  Re: Palladium article % Re: Pathworks v6 (AS) & Win2000 (SBS) % Re: Pathworks v6 (AS) & Win2000 (SBS)  perl, perlrte and WASD Server  Re: RMS File Locks.  Re: RMS File Locks. * Re: TCPIP v 5.3 and bad password ip block?* Re: TCPIP v 5.3 and bad password ip block?  Re: Timezone-change observations  Re: Timezone-change observations  Re: Timezone-change observations  Re: Timezone-change observations  Re: Timezone-change observations  Re: Timezone-change observations TSM troubles Re: TSM troubles UCX Telnet help  Re: UCX Telnet help . Re: Unique problem involving virtual terminals8 Re: VIP software e-mails (spamming to sell VMS software)A Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure A Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure A RE: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure A Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure A Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure A Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure A Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure A Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure A Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure P Re: Why did the VMS programmers confuse Halloween with Christmas this  year? thiK Re: Why did the VMS programmers confuse Halloween with Christmas this year? K RE: Why did the VMS programmers confuse Halloween with Christmas this year? P Re: Why did the VMS programmers confuse Halloween with Christmas this year? year  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:03:12 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>& Subject: Re: 100baseT for Turbochannel5 Message-ID: <apmm1t$330n3$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   < "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@emayle.com> schreef in bericht< news:Xiyv9.803$rA5.62@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net...F > I have a DEC 3000-600. Is there a 100baseT Turbochannel adapter that' > would fit this machine, or just FDDI?   % The DEFTA is what you're looking for.   G > Just knowing what the part number is would be nice, but if you know a D > retailer, that would be great too. I imagine they'll want a stupidH > amount of money for something like this, though. Unless one happens to > pop up on eBay ... > B > It would be nifty to find one of those SCSI to Ethernet adaptorsC > Cabletron used to make for Macs, but I can't see myself writing a  > driver for it. >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:03:03 GMT / From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@emayle.com> " Subject: 100baseT for TurbochannelB Message-ID: <Xiyv9.803$rA5.62@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>  E  I have a DEC 3000-600. Is there a 100baseT Turbochannel adapter that % would fit this machine, or just FDDI?   E Just knowing what the part number is would be nice, but if you know a B retailer, that would be great too. I imagine they'll want a stupidF amount of money for something like this, though. Unless one happens to pop up on eBay ...  @ It would be nifty to find one of those SCSI to Ethernet adaptorsA Cabletron used to make for Macs, but I can't see myself writing a  driver for it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:50:41 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)& Subject: Re: 100baseT for TurbochannelJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-2910022150410001@1cust97.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  B In article <Xiyv9.803$rA5.62@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,0 "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@emayle.com> wrote:  F > I have a DEC 3000-600. Is there a 100baseT Turbochannel adapter that& >would fit this machine, or just FDDI? > F >Just knowing what the part number is would be nice, but if you know aC >retailer, that would be great too. I imagine they'll want a stupid G >amount of money for something like this, though. Unless one happens to  >pop up on eBay ...   J I don't know of any Turbochannel fast ethernet adapters.  Your best bet isD probably FDDI.  IIRC, there were several DEFTA FDDI adapters at ebay	 recently.   J I don't know how easy it would be to find cheap hardware to bridge FDDI toI ethernet.  Since FDDI isn't too popular these days, I expect there should  be used stuff available.   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Oct 2002 02:08:56 GMT From: rivie@ridgenet.net& Subject: Re: 100baseT for Turbochannel. Message-ID: <apnevo$l67$1@delphi.ridgenet.net>  G In article <apmm1t$330n3$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, Hans Vlems wrote:  > > > "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@emayle.com> schreef in bericht> > news:Xiyv9.803$rA5.62@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net...G >> I have a DEC 3000-600. Is there a 100baseT Turbochannel adapter that ( >> would fit this machine, or just FDDI? > ' > The DEFTA is what you're looking for.   B There were two different FDDI interfaces for the TURBOchannel. OneC could do DMA and the other couldn't. I don't recall which the DEFTA 5 is, nor do I recall the part number of the other one.   E I am not aware of a 100baseT TURBOchannel adapter. Doesn't mean there : isn't one, just means I don't know about it if there is... --  
 Roger Ivie ridgenet.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:28:57 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: <None> . Message-ID: <3DBEE179.E057E469@mindspring.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:   > In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660AED@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > > I > > Following on this train of thought, if a VAX780 is "roughly" .5-->1.0  > > MIP  > F >    Depending on instruction mix, cache hit ratio, etc. I've actuallyF >    measured as few as 0.75M actual VAX instructions per second to asF >    many as 2.1M actual VAX instructions per second on an 11/780.  So, >    .5-->1.0 is misleading on the low side.  = Heck, issue the right pathological mix of string instructions 9 and you could probably make the '780 a 50 *KIPS* machine! * But that's what makes MIPS so Meaningless.   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:01:48 -0600 A From: "Art in .ca" <SpamSpamSpamSpam@WonderfulSpam.WonderfulSpam>  Subject: Re: <None> * Message-ID: <3dbef372$1@post.newsfeed.com>  > *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeed.com ***    ) <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message 9 news:OFD5BC7101.F268E05D-ON85256C61.004FB321@metso.com...  .  > - - - - - - - - - - 3 > $       !VUPOMETER.COM  -  super simple VUP meter  .  > $       set process/prio=12   5 Don't forget to put your process back to prio=4 ! ;-)    Art         >  -----= Posted via Newsfeed.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----@ http://www.newsfeed.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!B -----== 100,000 Groups! - 19 Servers! - Unlimited Download! =-----                      ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 14:29:51 -0600; From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)  Subject: Re: <None> 3 Message-ID: <O5rdIwhp1VQ+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <3DBEB5B1.AC7E07F9@attbi.com>, Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@attbi.com> writes: > Tom Linden wrote:  >>  < >> FWIW, some years ago we used to figure that 2 VUP = 1 MIP > > > Yes, if you have the right meaning.  A VAX 11/780 was rather; > thought to deliver equal performance to what, in terms of = > IBM's line-up of the time, would have been a 1 MIP machine; < > so, a 1-VUP system (the 780 was, by definition, 1 VUP) was2 > about equal to a 1 MIP (meaning IBM MIP) system. > ; > But, that 1-VUP 780 running some typical VAX/VMS workload : > sustained about 11 TPI (Ticks Per Instruction) and had a; > 5 MHz clock; hence 1 VUP was equal to .45 MIP (meaning in  > this context VAX MIP).  G And the units they switched over to for the performance tables when the K Alpha came along rated the 11/780 at 8 TPS (NOT TPC!), so if you take those J numbers and divide by about 8, you should get 11/780 units. For example my8 GS140 rates at 12800 tps which would be about 1600 VUPS.  1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamy 4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/  I         Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it 4         with religious conviction. --  Blaise Pascal   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:44:30 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: <None> ' Message-ID: <3DBF478E.7073C390@fsi.net>    Tom Linden wrote:  > ; > FWIW, some years ago we used to figure that 2 VUP = 1 MIP   " More like .9 VUP = roughly 1 MIP.   F There's a story there, but it's been too long and I don't remember the details.  H Nowadays, they talk about "transactions" per second, but I've yet to see8 a lucid explanation of what constitutes a "transaction".   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Oct 2002 08:37:31 GMT7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) . Subject: Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN! Message-ID: <JikV+TZgwkCp@rabbit>    Hi Hans,  L I'm using an ODS-2 disk as my system disk - I noticed in a follow-up to thisI thread that you may have had different results with an ODS-2 system disk.   x In article <aus-B718AA.07230529102002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, "Aus, Hans Magnus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:# > In article <YJuQ94eLGxeX@rabbit>, ; >  sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote:  > M >> I have just successfully installed a minimum root on one of my disks under 
 >> V7.3-1: >>   >>...  > ! > Is the v7.3-1 disk ODS 2 or 5?   > E > Mine v7.3-1 is on a ODS 5 disk and I've tried to install a minimum  # > system on both ODS 2 and 5 disks.  >  > --  6 > Hans Magnus Aus, Wuerzburg, aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de --   Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"  "Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:03:46 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)4 Subject: Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs1 Message-ID: <Cjyv9.10$Tc1.93276@news.cpqcorp.net>   k In article <5gyv9.9$Tc1.93276@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) writes: d >In article <4lRpzXzRmejw@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:u >>In article <aus-1CD1E4.08405129102002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:  >>I >>> The program goes into an endless loop, after I either enter the disk  I >>> name or start the program with the name included in the command line.  >>> ...  >>> $010_message_read:> >>> $read/error=err_exit/end=010_message_end min$messages inpt/ >>> $inpt = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE") H >>> $if f$extract(0,9,inpt) .nes. "$!MESSAGE" then goto 010_message_read# >>> $010_message_read:              > >>> $read/error=err_exit/end=010_message_end min$messages inpt/ >>> $inpt = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE") H >>> $if f$extract(0,9,inpt) .nes. "$!MESSAGE" then goto 010_message_read >>> $010_message_read: >>K >>That segment does not indicate anything "infinite".  Eventually it should ; >>hit EOF.  Are you sure that min$messages file is intact ?  > H >This loop DOES go on for a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time, but I doubt that it is >really an "infinite" loop.   H With VERIFY on, it can take a minute or two -- depending on the speed ofA the display.  (i.e. I hardcopy terminal would take a LOT longer!)    --  I       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:14:11 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)4 Subject: Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs3 Message-ID: <n_Bv9.26$_z1.1168492@news.cpqcorp.net>   4 In article <jKmNjTEH+avw@eisner.encompasserve.org>, / koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   * >   Now where did I put that LA36 console?  ; Hang on to it -- they are getting to be like GOLD!  <smile>    --  I       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:39:58 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 4 Subject: Re: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs' Message-ID: <3DBF467E.65CC490C@fsi.net>    "Hans M. Aus" wrote: > 9 > In article <Khmv9.29640$iV1.8581@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, 0 >  "Ken Randell" <ken.randell@fortel.com> wrote: >  > ...>K > > Perhaps you could run it with VERIFY and see what exactly is 'hanging'?  > >  > >  > F > The program goes into an endless loop, after I either enter the diskG > name or start the program with the name included in the command line.  > ...  > $010_message_read:< > $read/error=err_exit/end=010_message_end min$messages inpt- > $inpt = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE") F > $if f$extract(0,9,inpt) .nes. "$!MESSAGE" then goto 010_message_read > $010_message_read:< > $read/error=err_exit/end=010_message_end min$messages inpt- > $inpt = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,COLLAPSE,UPCASE") F > $if f$extract(0,9,inpt) .nes. "$!MESSAGE" then goto 010_message_read > $010_message_read:  C If it was me, I'd try to identify what file it's reading and try to 7 figure out why it takes seemingly forever to reach EOF.    ...but that's just me, YMMV...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:16:23 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>   Subject: Re: ASSERTFAIL Bugcheck; Message-ID: <bDxv9.23841$fa.509039@twister.tampabay.rr.com>    What version of VMS? Are you using XFC?J A search for "assertfail" on DSN turns up an eco for XFC for VMS V7.3.  It/ turns up two other articles for other versions.   / "James T Horn" <horn@shsu.edu> wrote in message 7 news:843706dc.0210290634.11a3f890@posting.google.com... H > Anyone familar with the ASSERTFAIL bugcheck? We had a system crash dueE > to this bugcheck and can't find anything in connection with OpenVMS  > for this error.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:46:40 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)  Subject: Re: ASSERTFAIL BugcheckJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-2910022146400001@1cust97.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  = In article <843706dc.0210290634.11a3f890@posting.google.com>, # horn@shsu.edu (James T Horn) wrote:   G >Anyone familar with the ASSERTFAIL bugcheck? We had a system crash due D >to this bugcheck and can't find anything in connection with OpenVMS >for this error.  H It generally means an OS component recognized an "impossible" condition,I and gave up.  It committed suicide.  The hope is that by crashing as soon F an the condition is detected, it will be easier to isolate the fault. E It's pretty certain this bugcheck was explicitly requested for a very  specific reason.  C Much worse is to let a horrible internal corruption propagate until F something _really_ bad crashes the system.  By then, the root cause if often lost in the bit bucket.   I Your crash will need to be analyzed by HP, but you can get a clue via SDA G if you have a crash dump file.  (If you don't have a dump file, HP will G first have to help you configure the system to generate a dump the next  time.)  % $ ANALYZE/CRASH_DUMP <dump file name>  SDA> CLUE CRASH   G This should tell you which system image requested the BUGCHECK.  For an J ASSERTFAIL, the crash address from the dump will point to a specific placeI in the source listings, and they will likely be a clear indication of the 8 symptom, if not the cause.  But that analysis is for HP.  I For a user, CLUE CRASH might point you to a particular component, and you = could look for ECO kits addressing problems in the component.   H If you have a software service contract, now is a good time to use it...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:24:19 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: Cluster5 Message-ID: <apmn99$31t10$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   0 "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com> schreef in bericht) news:urs6m8odpp4j88@corp.supernews.com...  > Hans,  >  > This info is of help. Thanks.  > = > Working with what else we can do see with the show/cluster.  >  > thanks > Vivek  >  Vivek,  I the same command line prompt that accepts the add command also recognizes  the help command. L Another way to access that information, without getting into show cluster is as follows:   % $ help/library=sys$help:shwclhelp.hlb   1 At least that is the way it works on VAX/VMS V7.2    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:43:08 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 0 Subject: Re: Does anyone use P7 in DCPS$STARTUP?, Message-ID: <3DBF1CFB.A54A1CA9@videotron.ca>   Paul Anderson wrote:B > We're not thinking of breaking this, but rather adding unrelatedC > functionality to it, and it seems to me that P7 is the least-used  > parameter.  M Nop, I don't use it, but I had to change your procedures to remove the forced J /TTSYNC and /HOSTSYNC and ever now and again, I have to reset the terminalN line because the software (old version) insists on x-on/x-ff flow control *(myM line is wired for hardware flow control which DCPS doesn't support, but which  CPS supported).    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:16:00 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>, Subject: Does anyone use P7 in DCPS$STARTUP?5 Message-ID: <291020021715420332%paul.anderson@hp.com>    Dear friends and foes of DCPS,  9 I was just wondering, does anyone use the P7 parameter in G DCPS$STARTUP.COM?  It's used for directly-connected serial devices, and D allows you to specify device characteristics.  (It's passed to a SET, DEVICE command in DCPS$EXECUTION_QUEUE.COM.)  @ We're not thinking of breaking this, but rather adding unrelatedA functionality to it, and it seems to me that P7 is the least-used 
 parameter.  ? Here's sample code from DCPS$STARTUP explaining the parameters:   '   $ @SYS$STARTUP:DCPS$EXECUTION_QUEUE - 8       THE_PRINTER -          ! P1 - Execution queue name&       "IP_RawTCP/hp9000.hp.com:9100" -E                              ! P2 - Interconnect protocol/device name A       DCPS_LIB -             ! P3 - Logical name for library(ies) <       "SIDES=2" -            ! P4 - Default queue parameters<       "/SEPARATE=FLAG" -     ! P5 - Default queue qualifiersE       "" -                   ! P6 - Communication speed (serial only) :       "" -                   ! P7 - Device characteristics1       ""                     ! P8 - Verify on/off    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:26:21 -0600 & From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net>0 Subject: Re: Does anyone use P7 in DCPS$STARTUP?8 Message-ID: <3dbf4346$0$1429$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net>   We do not use P7.    Dave...   7 "Paul Anderson" <paul.anderson@hp.com> wrote in message / news:291020021715420332%paul.anderson@hp.com...   > Dear friends and foes of DCPS, > ; > I was just wondering, does anyone use the P7 parameter in I > DCPS$STARTUP.COM?  It's used for directly-connected serial devices, and F > allows you to specify device characteristics.  (It's passed to a SET. > DEVICE command in DCPS$EXECUTION_QUEUE.COM.) > B > We're not thinking of breaking this, but rather adding unrelatedC > functionality to it, and it seems to me that P7 is the least-used  > parameter. > A > Here's sample code from DCPS$STARTUP explaining the parameters:  > ) >   $ @SYS$STARTUP:DCPS$EXECUTION_QUEUE - : >       THE_PRINTER -          ! P1 - Execution queue name( >       "IP_RawTCP/hp9000.hp.com:9100" -G >                              ! P2 - Interconnect protocol/device name C >       DCPS_LIB -             ! P3 - Logical name for library(ies) > >       "SIDES=2" -            ! P4 - Default queue parameters> >       "/SEPARATE=FLAG" -     ! P5 - Default queue qualifiersG >       "" -                   ! P6 - Communication speed (serial only) < >       "" -                   ! P7 - Device characteristics3 >       ""                     ! P8 - Verify on/off  >  > Paul >  > -- >  Paul Anderson >   OpenVMS Engineering  >   Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:16:08 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: John Wallace <johnwallace4@yahoo.spamfree.co.uk># Subject: Re: DS10 power consumption 3 Message-ID: <3DBEDE73.7050008@yahoo.spamfree.co.uk>    Robert Deininger wrote: ;  > In article <20021025112607.190b94ad.mathog@caltech.edu>,   > mathog@caltech.edu wrote:  >  >*  >>How much power does a 466 Mhz DS10 use?  >> F  >>The upper limit must be less than 330 - 360W because we had 4 DS10sG  >>plugged into a surge suppressor with a 12A breaker - and the breaker   >>never blew.  >> C  >>These were simple DS10s, just the CPU, 512Mb RAM, floppy (idle),   >>CDROM (idle), and IDE disk.  >  >!  > The 466 MHz Quickspec is here: F  >     http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10398_na/10398_na.pdf  >!  > The 600 MHz Quickspec is here: F  >     http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10908_na/10908_na.pdf  >L  > A "typical" DS10 600 MHz (or is it 466 MHz?) system is listed as having aH  > measured input power of 176 watts while running a system excerciser.    ThatF  > was with 1 GB RAM, 3 disk drives, CD, floppy, and 2 graphics cards.  G This is a fine answer as long as there's not many. With multiple DS10s  H on the same circuit, you may also need to consider reactive power (kVA, H not kW) and inrush currents. Given what's below, I'm slightly surprised A to hear of 4 on a 12A circuit without problems, but never mind...   D Anyway, the DS10 Technical Summary physical characteristics section H talks about a steady state current of 12A at 110V and maximum inrush of C 11A (or, at 240V, 5A steady and 22A inrush). It doesn't mention an  H actual power consumption. This apparent power seems excessive (~1.2kVA, G whereas ~300watts would be much more plausible). *If* the Tech Spec is  E correct, the DS10 has a PSU which isn't power factor corrected. That  D seems to be the case; the QuickSpecs (already mentioned) talk about E measured current of 2.2A and power of 176 W at 116V, ie power factor   around 0.7.   F Confused? Check with an electrical professional for more info on kVA, . kW, power factor, inrush vs steady state, etc.  G A google search for "DS10 Technical Specification" finds a 2002 one at  B compaq.com and a 1999 one in New Zealand. The power figures match.   regards  john   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 15:10:30 -08003 From: vmsstuff-forsale@jomche.org (Scott A. Morris) ? Subject: For sale: DEC Alpha 3000/400 + OpenVMS Manuals + Books = Message-ID: <c53fda93.0210291510.2f592c1d@posting.google.com>   5 I have the following items that I would like to sell:         Hardware:    ---------#    DEC Alpha 3000/400 64MB/1GB/ISDN (    w/ eval copy of OpenVMS 7.2 installed        Manuals:     --------     Compaq OpenVMS User's Manual "    April 2001  Order#: AA-PV5JE-TK  ?    Compaq OpenVMS System Manager's Manual, Volume 1: Essentials "    April 2001  Order#: AA-PV5MF-TK  P    Compaq OpenVMS System Manager's Manual, Volume 2: Tuning, Monitoring, and Com"    April 2001  Order#: AA-PV5NF-TK  *    Compaq OpenVMS Guide to System Security"    April 2001  Order#: AA-Q2HLE-TE  7    Compaq OpenVMS Programming Concepts Manual, Volume 1 "    April 2001  Order#: AA-RNSHA-TE  7    Compaq OpenVMS Programming Concepts Manual, Volume 2 "    April 2001  Order#: AA-PV67E-TK        VMS Internals Books (older):     ---------------------------- (    VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures(    Ruth E. Goldenberg, Lawrence J. Kenah&    Copyright 1991.  ISBN 1-55558-059-9    Condition: used, but ok  (    VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures$    Lawrence J. Kenah, Simon F. Baite&    Copyright 1984.  ISBN 0-932376-52-5-    Condition: soso -- very readable, but worn     % Photos of the items are available at:   +    http://www.jomche.org/forsale/vms-stuff/   D The machine isn't the most impressive, but along with the manuals itD might make a good box for a hobbyist just starting out.  The VAX/VMS) Internals books may or may not be useful.   F I bought all of this stuff in order to learn OpenVMS and try to port aD couple packages to it, but other priorities have kept me from having& the chance to do spend any time on it.  B The manuals are essentially brand new and have been sitting on theF shelf since I bought them last year.  Altogther they cost around $240 ! (I couldn't afford the full set).   E I'm asking $250 + shipping for the whole lot, or if you're interested @ in a subset of the items, feel free to make me an offer.  If youD happen to be in the Boulder area, you are definitely welcome to stop= by and take a look at the machine and boot it up or whatever.   E There is more detailed information included at the url about.  If you A have any questions please feel free to either email or call me at F (303) 494-4595, and I'll be happy to try to answer them as best I can,B though I don't have alot of experience with either DEC hardware or
 with OpenVMS.    thanks -- Scott   Scott Morris (303) 494-4595 vmsstuff-forsale@jomche.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:00:26 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)C Subject: Re: For sale: DEC Alpha 3000/400 + OpenVMS Manuals + Books J Message-ID: <rdeininger-2910022200260001@1cust97.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  = In article <c53fda93.0210291510.2f592c1d@posting.google.com>, 4 vmsstuff-forsale@jomche.org (Scott A. Morris) wrote:  6 >I have the following items that I would like to sell: >  > 
 >   Hardware: 
 >   --------- $ >   DEC Alpha 3000/400 64MB/1GB/ISDN) >   w/ eval copy of OpenVMS 7.2 installed   J The console output on the referenced web page is for a DEC 3000/600, not aJ 3000/400.  The /600 is somewhat nicer -- 175 MHz (instead of 133.33), 2 MBA L2 cache (instead of 512 kB), and faster SCSI.  You might want to 3 double-check your hardware and fix the description.   5 I already have 1 of each, so I'm not shopping myself.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 15:01:35 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) . Subject: HP's multi-O/S strategy has broadened= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0210291501.1deebeb4@posting.google.com>   @ There has been discussion here about whether HP is serious about? supporting OpenVMS on an equal footing with its other operating A systems.  I think this quote from Martin Fink, head of HP's Linux ? organization, demonstrates how at the highest levels within HP, B OpenVMS is now considered just as strategic as any other operating system:   E "Post-merger HP is 'very adept at managing multiple environments.' He E cited VMS support in addition to HP-UX, and Tandem in addition to the B others. Making the point that it's not just a Windows versus Linux world for HP these days."   ; http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/1014.hp-p2.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:47:00 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 2 Subject: Re: HP's multi-O/S strategy has broadened, Message-ID: <3DBF1DE2.B77C2653@videotron.ca>   Keith Parris wrote: G > "Post-merger HP is 'very adept at managing multiple environments.' He G > cited VMS support in addition to HP-UX, and Tandem in addition to the D > others. Making the point that it's not just a Windows versus Linux > world for HP these days."   I What happened on May 6th to cause Carly to drop her "wintel will rule the M world" and "only industry standard hardware will survive" and "proprietary OS N have no future" speaches she had during the merger pregnancy ? On may 7th, she/ talked more "seriously" about enterprise stuff.   C Although it is too early for me to make conclusions about HP's true P intentions, one has to note that it is perhaps the start of a trend (hopefully).  L Having said this, I think that the message would be far more efficient if itH came from the top to begin with. Perhaps the top will start to make that/ message once another job is found for Capellas.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:12:56 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>2 Subject: Re: HP's multi-O/S strategy has broadened2 Message-ID: <dQOdneGeJvvUwSKgXTWcpw@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0210291501.1deebeb4@posting.google.com... B > There has been discussion here about whether HP is serious aboutA > supporting OpenVMS on an equal footing with its other operating C > systems.  I think this quote from Martin Fink, head of HP's Linux A > organization, demonstrates how at the highest levels within HP, D > OpenVMS is now considered just as strategic as any other operating	 > system:  > G > "Post-merger HP is 'very adept at managing multiple environments.' He G > cited VMS support in addition to HP-UX, and Tandem in addition to the D > others. Making the point that it's not just a Windows versus Linux > world for HP these days."  > = > http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/1014.hp-p2.html   I Ok, Keith:  would you specify exactly what in the above quote suggests in I any way whatsoever that "at the very highest levels within HP, OpenVMS is K now considered just as strategic as any other operating system"?  All I can L see (looking rather carefully) is a statement by an HP Linux advocate tryingJ to convince Linux users that HP is serious about Linux by throwing out VMSJ and NSK as examples of other systems that HP is 'adept at managing' - not,J you will note, a statement like 'supporting in a manner equivalent to that/ in which they support Windows and, say, HP-UX'.    In other words,   I 1.  This statement hardly comes from 'the very highest levels within HP'.   E 2.  This statement says absolutely nothing about relative 'strategic' , importance of the various operating systems.  J 3.  This statement says absolutely nothing to indicate that HP will in anyF way change its status-quo (no promotion, limited development) attitudeI toward VMS that it appears to have inherited from Compaq - the reason for , the discussions in c.o.v. that you refer to.  G If you believed what you posted above, I hope that degree of brain-fade H doesn't occur often.  If you didn't believe it, you should be ashamed of having joined the spin brigade.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:30:09 -0600 & From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net>2 Subject: Re: HP's multi-O/S strategy has broadened8 Message-ID: <3dbf442a$0$1431$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net>  I This is good to hear.  And not a mistake imo.  Hope they can execute this  plan.    Thanks Keith  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0210291501.1deebeb4@posting.google.com... B > There has been discussion here about whether HP is serious aboutA > supporting OpenVMS on an equal footing with its other operatingrC > systems.  I think this quote from Martin Fink, head of HP's Linux A > organization, demonstrates how at the highest levels within HP,>D > OpenVMS is now considered just as strategic as any other operating	 > system:N >LG > "Post-merger HP is 'very adept at managing multiple environments.' He G > cited VMS support in addition to HP-UX, and Tandem in addition to theBD > others. Making the point that it's not just a Windows versus Linux > world for HP these days."P > = > http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/1014.hp-p2.htmlp   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:10:28 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: Re: Lib$spawn and $PIPE questiona0 Message-ID: <00A162DD.66BC056F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <4b6ec350.0210291059.25d34c22@posting.google.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) writes:k >"Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<qIuv9.3803$et4.540723@news20.bellglobal.com>...a >.... P >> $ pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/sys yadalog 'yada' >> $[ >> no errors were displayed after the previous DCL command and the logical name was createdL >s > = >Just running slightly different pipe commands on OpenVMS 7.3  >directly from DCL I get:  >eE >$pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/system/loge >yadalog "''yada'") >%SYSTEM-F-IVLOGNAM, invalid logical namee >eF >C$pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/system/log >yadalog "''yada'"@ >%DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of YADALOG has been superseded >u >C$deassign/system yadalog >eF >C$pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/system/log >yadalog "''yada'" >C$deassign/system yadalog > G >The define/system command displays an error the first time but not thef
 >second time.t >  >I then did the following: >U >$show logical yadalog8 >%SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name YADALOGF >C$pipe yada==f$file_attributes("47490.dbm","eof") ; define/system/log2 >yadalog "X" ; define/system/log yadalog "''yada'"@ >%DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of YADALOG has been superseded >C$sho log yadalog& >   "YADALOG" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >eG >I included a temporary define before the desired define and it worked.  > G >I do not use the pipe command and I do not know why that is happening.  > 2 >Maybe someone else can explain what is happening. >s >Jim Strehlow, Data911.com  7 Hint:  Take a look at DCL symbol yada before and after.r   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             -5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" -   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:09:09 -0500n) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ) Subject: Re: Lib$spawn and $PIPE questiond9 Message-ID: <fGDv9.2509$qD2.648722@news20.bellglobal.com>r   Thanks for the info about the ampersand. I've been writing DCL scripts for 15 years and didn't know about that one. Thanks again.e  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,j Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:07:08 +0000 (UTC)a+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)'+ Subject: Re: newbie wants command line helph+ Message-ID: <apm86s$jj5$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   c In article <M4pyJWPrKvfv@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:oA >In article <apm3fl$3n4$1@rdel.co.uk>, "td" <bob@bob.com> writes:r# >> I am new to VMS so bear with me!- >> -O >> I would like to define my own search command in my login script that will dos >> the following:j >> 1N >> search *.* <parameter string> /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb) >> n >> so - for example if I do: >> s >> mysearch "Hello there!" >> aM >> it will search all files (except for the exclusions) for the string.  I amtL >> unsure of how to pass in the parameter, but I guess it is along the lines >> of: >> tN >> mysearch := = sear *.* 'P1' /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)   >aD >   You can't pass parameters into a command symbol.  You'll need to3 >   create a command file, so set up the symbol as:r >c# >$mysearch == "@sys$login:mysearch"  >v& >   and in sys$login:mysearch.com put: >-? >$search *.* 'p1' /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)s >n Or more simply  H mysearch :== search *.*  /exclude=(*.olb, *.*exe, *.uid, *.obj, *.hlb)     and then use as in t   mysearch  xxyyzz  I ie just append the parameter to the end. The search command doesn't care S- where the parameter comes in the commandline.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:35:07 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>a  Subject: RE: Oracle Docu for VMST Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660AF1@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   John,o  B Thx for pointer. Based on this one, I was able to come up with the$ following Oracle / OpenVMS pointers:  > 1. http://docs.oracle.com/a91377/0/unixdoc/product_0/index.htm  C Oracle9i Database Release 1 (9.0.1) Documentation (I suspect the 9ia$ Release 2 doc's will appear shortly)  1 PDF HTML Oracle9i Release Notes for Alpha OpenVMSt9 PDF HTML Oracle9i Installation Guide for Alpha OpenVMS=20-@ PDF HTML Oracle9i Administrator's Reference for Alpha OpenVMS=20? PDF HTML Oracle9i Real Application Cluster for Alpha OpenVMS=20v  F 2. http://docs.oracle.com/a89435/0/unixdoc/product_0/index.htm (Oracle 8.1.7 doc's)  A 3. http://docs.oracle.com/a83893/SHIPHOME/DOC/product_0/index.htmr (Oracle 8.0.x doc's)  A 4. http://docs.oracle.com/a84190/SHIPHOME/DOC/product_0/index.htm  (Oracle 7.3.4 doc's)   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantu Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicese Voice: 613-592-4660r Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s).       -----Original Message-----, From: John [mailto:jhook@regenstrief.org]=20 Sent: October 29, 2002 7:37 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come  Subject: Re: Oracle Docu for VMS    D Please ignore my previous post. That link works, but you need to dig@ down through the "other" link on the page. Try this one instead:  ; http://docs.oracle.com/a91377/0/unixdoc/product_0/index.htm.   John  0 "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> wrote in message news:3dbe3900$1@news.post.ch...t > Hello, >t > under6 >E? > http://technet.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/content.html" >nH > one can find all kind of plattform specific docu, but none for VMS.=20H > There should be some. At least the product exists. I just installed=20 > it.t >t, > Can somebody point me to the OpenVMS Docu? >  >a > best regards >5 > JakobV >i >r >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:27:40 -0800o$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> Subject: Palladium article0 Message-ID: <01C27F4F.1204E5D0@sulfer.icius.com>  B I know Palladium has come up in the group a couple of times, but IH thought you might find this article interesting. It explains the problem8 well, in a way even a pointy haired manager can get it.   @ http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/wo_weinberger102502.asp  G It explains a good reason for us to be concerned too: How Microsoft cano; use Palladium to help stamp out those pesky competing OS's.    Shaneh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:19:40 -060031 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Palladium article' Message-ID: <3DBF4FCC.EB6366F5@fsi.net>/   Shane Smith wrote: > D > I know Palladium has come up in the group a couple of times, but IJ > thought you might find this article interesting. It explains the problem9 > well, in a way even a pointy haired manager can get it.r > B > http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/wo_weinberger102502.asp > I > It explains a good reason for us to be concerned too: How Microsoft canw= > use Palladium to help stamp out those pesky competing OS's.<  ) ...or doom itself to be replaced by them.m   -- e David J. Dachterae dba DJE SystemsF http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------   Date: 29 OCT 2002 20:37:39 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher). Subject: Re: Pathworks v6 (AS) & Win2000 (SBS)2 Message-ID: <29OCT02.20373901@thuria.waisman.wisc>  = In a previous article, whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) wrote:  ->OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2) ->      Pathworks License: PWLMXXXCA07.02  -> Currently installed is:2 ->   Pathworks for OpenVMS (Advanced Server) V6.0B -> I7 ->   MAJOR PROBLEMS now that a Win2000 (Small Business 1$ ->   Server) has joined the network. -> h8 ->This site is over 600 miles away and it will be awhile7 ->before they can get updated to the latest versions ofr7 ->everything (they still haven't received their kit and 5 ->who knows when the pwrks licenses will arrive! Yes,u) ->we've inquired to the proper person's.)t -> i6 ->I know that Pathworks V6.0B has some serious issues.9 ->I believe that PW V6.0C is the newest "working" released: ->that will run on this version of VMS and PW license but : ->I can't confirm this with the doc's I have. I can't seem; ->to search it out of the WWW, nor have I been able to find-= ->the LP CD which contains it. I'd go to pure Advanced Server 6 ->now if I could, but from 600 miles away I don't feel  ->comfortable taking that step.   9 See: <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/pathworks/pwnew.html>   I PW V6.1 will run on VMS 6.2 and later but does require the PWLMXXXCA07.03hD licenses. PW 6.1 is the only version that supports W2K and XP (as a B "member" server). PW V6.0D (which is the same as V6.0C with ECO-2)= is the last version to use the older PWLMXXXCA07.02 licenses.a  ? ->The remote site has V7.2-1 and some older kits. I've searchedw= ->the ones I have, but I don't have v7.1 thru v7.2-1 here. I /@ ->could easily have missed something as I don't have all of the > ->paper, just the CDs. It also looks like the Pathworks ECO's $ ->are still not available on-line???  . They used to be on the "contract access" site.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 8 --                 karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:31:31 -050005 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com>a. Subject: Re: Pathworks v6 (AS) & Win2000 (SBS)/ Message-ID: <urudjrj771746e@corp.supernews.com>t  A "Carl Karcher" <karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu> wrote in messages, news:29OCT02.20373901@thuria.waisman.wisc...? > In a previous article, whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) wrote:S > ->OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2   <snip> >D; > See: <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/pathworks/pwnew.html>o >OK > PW V6.1 will run on VMS 6.2 and later but does require the PWLMXXXCA07.03rE > licenses. PW 6.1 is the only version that supports W2K and XP (as ah > "member" server).M  L Well, actually, V6.1 will support BDC too, if you run in mixed mode.  It can be a PDC too, ifA we are just talking Win2K clients (which we are not in this case)1  1 >PW V6.0D (which is the same as V6.0C with ECO-2)(? > is the last version to use the older PWLMXXXCA07.02 licenses.h >s  G Correct.  And, it even worked with Win2K, but, you may have needed some$L patches (how quickly these things fade from my memory).  My suggestion is toK get a hold of the CSC and explain that you are looking for a quick stop gapaL and see if they can set you up with V6.0D plus the patches.  Actually, V6.0DL vanilla, off the LP distributions might do the trick, if you can scrunge oneI up.  Check for the OpenVMS V7.3 distribution too, PATHWORKS V6.0D shippedk there as well.  A > ->The remote site has V7.2-1 and some older kits. I've searched.> > ->the ones I have, but I don't have v7.1 thru v7.2-1 here. IA > ->could easily have missed something as I don't have all of theU? > ->paper, just the CDs. It also looks like the Pathworks ECO's & > ->are still not available on-line??? >   J The ECOs in the time frame you are looking for on not available.  AdvancedJ Server v7.3-ECO2 should be available soon, on line (its available now from	 the CSC).S  D If you are seeing lots of replication, chances are your SAM is hosedI already.  But that's OK, you are a BDC, so, just rejoin the domain.  WhenOI checking replication, be sure to check the event logs on both the BDC andoL the PDC.  Just because one event log says some replication happened, doens'tJ mean it really did, unless you see a corresponding entry in the other log.  I So, what is this Small Business Server thing that doesn't support trusts?   
 Brad McCuskeri OpenVMS EngineeringP Advanced Server Engineeringc Littleton MA	 Nashua NHn USA@   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:54:33 GMTe! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzr& Subject: perl, perlrte and WASD Server$ Message-ID: <3dbf40c3.25263216@news>   Hi All,M  D Trying to get Perl going on a VAX VMS System with a WASD Web Server. This is WASD 8.0 under VMS 7.3  # Perl is installed and works (5.8.0)1; From DCL a command like "perl test.pl" works as I'd expect.n  ) Now trying to get this working from WASD.   F There seems to be a number of options so I may have confused myself...      whats new!e  / I have the following entries in the conf files.   
 http$map.confn? exec+ /plrte/* (ht_root:[script]perlrte.exe)/ht_root/src/perl/*a   http$map  .pl $ht_root:[script]PERLRTE.EXE
 also tried! .pl (ht_root:[script]PERLRTE.EXE)a  - I've copied the perlrte.exe to this location.-  : Whenever I try and call the page http://node/plrte/test.pl$  all I get back from the browser is:B ERROR 502  -  External agent did not respond (or not acceptably).   E Anyone already set this up and have the correct entries to add to the: configuration files?1 Anything else you need to do to get this to work?  Any tips grarefully received!m   TIA    Rob.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:59:26 GMTa9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>s Subject: Re: RMS File Locks./ Message-ID: <3DBEAF8D.21C957D6@eps.zko.dec.com>    Andrew Robinson wrote:   > Please could Some one Help?: > J > We have just upgraded to 7.3-1 from 7.2-1, everything appears OK, but we. > used to use a program called 'blocking'(from" > http://www.process.com/openvms/)  7 fwiw,, The distribution @ process seemed corrupt to me._E I grabbed it from http://axp603.gsi.de:8080/www/vms/sw/blocking.htmlx,  E As pointed out, this is prived code which is looking at undocumented,  unsupported,; free to change withot warning, internal RMS datastructures. G It is likely to require a rebuild, and may (less likely) need a recode.e    L > After the upgrade this program no longer works. Does anyone have a program > which works with OVMS 7.3-1 ?y  O I'll attach a similar tool I wrote years ago. It also needs privs, but does not K read internal data structures, using only documented API's. I'll attach it.r Try me and let me know?.  @ Having said that... what problem are you really trying to solve.N I expected tools like these to be used on rare occasions. I may be wrong here.  J If you frequently use this, should you not do something in the applicationO to either prevent lockouts or identify candidates in a more controlled fashion?>   hth,	     Hein.      #define MAXDEVICE  200 #define MAXDEVNAMLEN  64 #define MAXDEVLOCKNAM 13 #define MAXFILNAMLEN 80W #define MAXPID 16h /*6 ** BLOCKING.C, Hein van den Heuvel, Digital, July 1995 **J **   List all locks not granted (converting, waiting) for a specified PID.I **   For each, print blocking lock information, resource name and parent.r **   Have fun," ** Hein van den Heuvel, July 1995. */   #include <prvdef>2 #include <lkidef>t #include <lckdef>. #include <descrip> #include <string>. #include <ctype> #include <stdio> #include <ssdef> #include <rms> #define terminator 0,0,0,0
 #define EFN 1e  E static char devnam[MAXDEVICE][MAXDEVNAMLEN];     /* counted string */ 5 static char devlocknames[MAXDEVICE][MAXDEVLOCKNAM+1];r static int  device_count = 0;g  F typedef struct { short len, cod; void *address; short *retlen; } item;9 typedef struct { unsigned int len; void *address; } desc;e  < int sys$getlkiw(), sys$getjpi(), sys$setprv(), sys$cmexec(); void dump_data () ; : int make_device_name_list(), print_filename_and_record() ; char *find_device_name();n8 char *mode[]={"NL", "CR", "CW", "PR", "PW", "EX", "??"};   main(int argc, char *argv[]) {rC     int     stat, s, i, l, parent, grand_parent, lock_id, lock_pid;tB     int     wildcard=0, retlen=0, parent_retlen=0, pid=0, locks=0;     char    *x; $     struct lkidef lkibuf[100], *lki;B     struct { unsigned all : 16, one : 15, too_small : 1 ;} lkilen;8     int     privs[] = { PRV$M_WORLD | PRV$M_CMEXEC , 0};     int     *search_devnam=0;l     desc    search_devnam_desc;u  M #pragma nostandard /* Using address of variable where constant is standard */i  =     struct  {   char rqmode, grmode, queue, fill;} lki_state;eB     struct  {   int rms; unsigned short fid_num, fid_seq, fid_rvn;'   char devlocknam[22] ;} parent_resnam;E5     struct  { unsigned int id, vbn, fill[6];} resnam;o  <     item    getlki_items[] = { 4, LKI$_LOCKID,  &lock_id, 0,(           4, LKI$_PID,     &lock_pid, 0,6           3, LKI$_STATE,   &lki_state, 0, terminator};A     item    block_items[] = { 31, LKI$_RESNAM,  &resnam, &retlen,n&           4, LKI$_PARENT,  &parent, 0,@      sizeof lkibuf, LKI$_BLOCKING,&lkibuf, &lkilen, terminator};O     item    parent_items[] = {31, LKI$_RESNAM,  &parent_resnam, &parent_retlen,e9           4, LKI$_PARENT,  &grand_parent, 0, terminator};      intkH  getlki_args[] = {7, EFN, (int) &wildcard, (int) &getlki_items,0,0,0,0},F  parent_args[] = {7, EFN, (int) &parent, (int) &parent_items,0,0,0,0},E  block_args[] = {7, EFN, (int) &lock_id, (int) &block_items,0,0,0,0};t   #pragma standard       /*K     ** First get some temporary privs for the GETLKI in EXEC mode later on.      */(     stat = sys$setprv ( 1, privs, 0, 0);/     if (stat != SS$_NORMAL) return (stat & -2);a       if (argc > 1) {:  /* C  ** First argument, if present, specifies PID to look for. 0 = All.D  */n  sscanf (argv[1], "%x", &pid);  if (pid > MAXPID) {D      printf (" Looking for non-granted locks for PID %8X\n\n", pid);
      } else {b      x = "";      if (pid > 0) x = "RMS ";oE      printf (" Looking for non-granted %slocks for all PIDs\n\n", x);,      };u  };,       if (argc > 2) {u  /*cA  ** Second argument, if present, specifies wildcarded device namedA  ** to look for. For lock on matching devices, the RMS files named3  ** and locked record is attempted to be displayed.e  */i1         search_devnam_desc.len = strlen(argv[2]);p3         search_devnam_desc.address = (int) argv[2];-,         search_devnam = &search_devnam_desc;>         str$upcase (&search_devnam_desc, &search_devnam_desc);  }  0     (void) make_device_name_list(search_devnam);       /*'     ** Main loop. Get a lock, any lock.aD     ** Find out wether it is held by specified process, and waiting.     */3     stat = sys$cmexec (&sys$getlkiw, &getlki_args);      while (stat & 1) {	  locks++; +  if ( (lki_state.queue != LKI$C_GRANTED) && 0       ((pid < MAXPID) ||  (lock_pid == pid)) ) {      int rms = 0;h        parent = 0;      /*r=      ** Have blocked lock for specified PID, request details.       */s3      stat = sys$cmexec (&sys$getlkiw, &block_args);o      if (!(stat & 1)) break;      /*sE      ** Let's see if we stumbled into an rms record or bucket lock...       */       if (parent!=0) { .   s = sys$cmexec (&sys$getlkiw, &parent_args);%   if ((s & 1) && (grand_parent==0) &&t-       (parent_resnam.rms == 'RMS$')) rms = 1;    }!        /*a*      ** Print out all locks, or just RMS ?      */ /      if ((pid == 0) || (pid > MAXPID) || rms) {E   l = lkilen.all / lkilen.one;L          printf ("Pid %08X Lock %08X, Rq=%s, Parent %08X, blocked by %d.\n",<       lock_pid, lock_id, mode[lki_state.rqmode], parent, l);0   dump_data (&resnam, retlen, "Resource Name ");   lki = &lkibuf;   for ( i = 0; i < l; i++) {C       printf ("  PID=%8X, Gr=%s, Rq=%s, LockId=%08X, System=%08\n",-,     lki->lki$l_pid, mode[lki->lki$b_grmode],     mode[lki->lki$b_rqmode],&     lki->lki$l_lkid, lki->lki$l_csid);       lki++;       } +   if (parent!=0) dump_data (&parent_resnam,r*    parent_retlen, "Parent Resource Name");   printf ("\n");   }u        if (rms) {w>   printf ("  RMS lock! VBN/ID %X/%X, File (%d,%d,%d) on %s\n",    resnam.vbn, resnam.id, 0    parent_resnam.fid_num, parent_resnam.fid_seq,    parent_resnam.fid_rvn, !    &parent_resnam.devlocknam[1]);r;   print_filename_and_record ( &parent_resnam.devlocknam[0], 2    &parent_resnam.fid_num, resnam.vbn, resnam.id);   }c      }         /* PID   ? */=  if (stat &1) stat = sys$cmexec (&sys$getlkiw, &getlki_args);d  } /* stat ? */ 2     if (stat == SS$_NOMORELOCK) stat = SS$_NORMAL;1     printf (" Done. Scanned %d locks.\n", locks);o     return stat; }e  , void dump_data (void *p, short len, char *t) {D     int i, j, k, l;      unsigned char (*x)[72];      char out[80], *in, c;a     x = in = p;a     l = len;(     if (l > 72) l = 72; /* sizeof out */     for (i=0; i<l; i++){  c = *in++;n  if (!isalnum (c)) c = '.'; 
  out[i]=c;  }
     out[i]=0;l9     printf ("    %s (%d):\n    <%s>\n", t, len, &out[0]); 
     j = 0;       for (i=0; i<l;) {F,  j += sprintf (&out[j], "%02X ", (*x)[i++]);  if (!(i%24)) { !      printf ("    %s\n",&out[0]);e      j = 0;y      }  }'     if (j) printf ("    %s\n",&out[0]);a     return;  }   1 int print_filename_and_record ( char *devlocknam, =  unsigned short (*fid)[3], unsigned int vbn, unsigned int id)  {l     struct FAB fab;      struct NAM nam;-     struct RAB rab;u#     int  device_number, stat, i, l;      char buf[512];# static char filnam[MAXFILNAMLEN+1];u0     desc devnam_desc, filnam_desc = {0, filnam};       for (device_number=0;e<   strcmp ((char *) devlocknames[device_number], devlocknam);=   device_number++) if (device_number == device_count) return;t  /     devnam_desc.len = devnam[device_number][0];s4     devnam_desc.address = &devnam[device_number][1];#     filnam_desc.len = MAXFILNAMLEN;dJ     stat = lib$fid_to_name(&devnam_desc, fid, &filnam_desc, &filnam_desc);      filnam[filnam_desc.len] = 0;=     printf ( "  %s %s\n", &devnam[device_number][1], filnam);a /*G **  Now that we've printed out the file name, and previously the recordoC **  or bucket data, lets try get display the data being waited for.zH **  I suppose this could end up becoming blocked for the very same lock!M **  (VBN lock code is not at all tested as RMS does not normally block there)i */     fab = cc$rms_fab;a     rab = cc$rms_rab;6     nam = cc$rms_nam;s     rab.rab$l_fab = &fab;      fab.fab$l_nam = &nam;k?     fab.fab$l_fop = FAB$M_NAM;  /* will use dev+id, not name */eD     if (!vbn) fab.fab$b_fac = FAB$M_BIO;/* block IO if not an RFA */5     fab.fab$b_shr = FAB$M_SHRUPD; /* allow writers */ 5     for (i=0; i<3; i++) nam.nam$w_fid[i] = (*fid)[i];s.     for (i=0; i<devnam[device_number][0]; i++).   nam.nam$t_dvi[i] = devnam[device_number][i];+     nam.nam$t_dvi[0]--;   /* strip colon */e     rab.rab$l_ubf = buf;     rab.rab$w_usz = sizeof buf;        stat = sys$open ( &fab );1#         if (!(stat&1)) return stat;u      stat = sys$connect ( &rab );#         if (!(stat&1)) return stat;o     if (vbn) {  rab.rab$b_rac = RAB$C_RFA;a  rab.rab$v_rrl = 1;e  rab.rab$l_rfa0 = vbn;  rab.rab$w_rfa4 = id;t  stat = sys$get ( &rab );'  l = rab.rab$w_rsz;t  if (stat == RMS$_RTB) {      l = rab.rab$l_stv;l      stat = 1;      }	  } else {r  rab.rab$l_bkt = id;  stat = sys$read ( &rab );  }+  dump_data (rab.rab$l_rbf, l, "  Record ");i
  return stat;l }o  . int make_device_name_list(desc *search_devnam)     {h   #include <dvidef>. #include <dcdef>A /* #include <dvsdef> does not exist, hand coded defines follow */c #define DVS$_DEVCLASS 1Z #define DVS$_DEVTYPE  2  #define SS$_NOMOREDEV 2648  8     int i, stat, context[] = {0,0}, devclass = DC$_DISK;     short int retlen;f     desc devnam_desc;tM     item getdvi_items[] = { MAXDEVLOCKNAM, DVI$_DEVLOCKNAM,0, 0, terminator}; J     item device_items[] = { 4, DVS$_DEVCLASS,   &devclass, 0, terminator};     /*D     ** Build two arrays with DISK device names and their lock names.     */#     for (i=0;  i<MAXDEVICE;  i++) {v"  devnam_desc.len = MAXDEVNAMLEN-1;%  devnam_desc.address = &devnam[i][1]; 4  stat = sys$device_scan (&devnam_desc, &devnam_desc,+      search_devnam, device_items, context);n  devnam[i][0]=devnam_desc.len;  if (stat & 1) {<      devnam[i][devnam_desc.len+1]=0;    /* Null terminate *//      getdvi_items[0].address = devlocknames[i]; &      getdvi_items[0].retlen = &retlen;  ?      stat = sys$getdvi (0,0,&devnam_desc,getdvi_items,0,0,0,0); )      if (stat != SS$_NORMAL) return stat;,!      devlocknames[i][retlen] = 0;A  }  else { !      if (stat == SS$_NOMOREDEV) {p   device_count = i;    i = MAXDEVICE;      }      break;   }     }r     return stat; }    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 15:51:59 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)C Subject: Re: RMS File Locks.= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0210291551.5aa4ba29@posting.google.com>t   Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> wrote in message news:<CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E9E9@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>...t1 > we used to use a program called 'blocking'(from M > http://www.process.com/openvms/) which would tell us who was locking an RMSp& > record in a specified database file.  @ It might be easiest for you to use the Lock Contention detectionF capability within DECamds / Availability Manager.  It can detect casesE where a lock is being held and other processes are waiting for a longbC time as a result, and even allows you to fix the problem by doing aaE forced image exit or even killing the process holding the lock if youi wish.n  A Another method would be to use SDA> SHOW RESOURCE/CONTENTION, butd that's a lot more work.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:17:11 -0600'1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 3 Subject: Re: TCPIP v 5.3 and bad password ip block?l' Message-ID: <3DBF4F37.5CC4500D@fsi.net>t   DigiDemon wrote: > J > Just a quick question is all....after upgrading to 5.3 on OpenVMS 7.2-1,H > now one someone types in their pass a few times wrong it locks out theI > machine...system can't even log in =(  Any help on where to change thisy > setting?  Thanks!s  F Intruder evasion will block the source IP, regardless of the username, AFAIK.   -- S David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 22:09:03 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 3 Subject: Re: TCPIP v 5.3 and bad password ip block?03 Message-ID: <e1$S2zVqXT4c@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  [ In article <3DBF4F37.5CC4500D@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:A > DigiDemon wrote: >> vK >> Just a quick question is all....after upgrading to 5.3 on OpenVMS 7.2-1, I >> now one someone types in their pass a few times wrong it locks out theMJ >> machine...system can't even log in =(  Any help on where to change this >> setting?  Thanks! > H > Intruder evasion will block the source IP, regardless of the username,  4 But logging in from the console as SYSTEM beats all.H (Logging in from the DECwindows screen does _not_ count as the console.)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:26:39 GMT-8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)) Subject: Re: Timezone-change observations:1 Message-ID: <PMxv9.2$5a1.131197@news.cpqcorp.net>   + In article <apgb1t$374$1@news1.xs4all.nl>, m+ Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> writes:e >Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:u ..9 >> 4) SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE on Alpha contains a wrong formula  >> m* >> 		"MET-1MET DST-2,M3.5.0/02,M10.4.0/03"
 >> instead of * >> 		"MET-1MET DST-2,M3.5.0/02,M10.5.0/03" >> e >> while on VAX ( >> 		"MET-1MET_DST-2,M3.5.0/2,M10.5.0/3" ..J >I was surprised too. In 2002 and in 2003 it makes no difference. In 2004 	 >it does.n >oE >I did the test. I set my Alpha workstation clock to 20-oct-2004 and i >rebooted. (It runs DTSS)g >e) >The result is amazing. The timezone was L6 >"MET-1MET_DST-2,M3.5.0/2,M10.5.0/3", as it should be. >oG >It seems that the rule as you see it, gets CALCULATED. However, to be  J >able to calulate it, I expect that there is a RULE somewhere. I have not C >been able to find this rule, yet. However, it seems to be correct.g  G Time Zone Rules exist in two formats:  The "Binary" format is containedgI in the rule files located in SYS$TZDIR.  The "Character string" format isuG defined in SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE from the binary format when the system is i( booted or when the time zone is changed.  L In OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 and later the command @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP SHOW7 will display information about current time zone setup.y   -- rI       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USAaH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:44:11 GMTr8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)) Subject: Re: Timezone-change observationse0 Message-ID: <f1yv9.2$Tc1.93276@news.cpqcorp.net>  \ In article <3DBC5281.9FFD33BC@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: .. >And guess what: -
 >MC SYSMAN >SYSMAN> SET ENV/CLUSTER" >SYSMAN> DO SET TIME="-0 01:00:00"
 >SYSMAN> EXIT>  I Guess what else -- this does NOT change time zone, tdf or any of the timev related logical names.  M If you do NOT use DTSS, and do not have AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV set (on OpenVMS Alpha15 V7.3 and later) then you can do one of the following:a  ,     Execute @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP BOTH  6 (BOTH is not required on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 and later)  *     Execute @SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS  B (On OpenVMS V7.3 (ALPHA and VAX) the originally shipped version ofI SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS had a bug.  A patch is available for Alpha;aJ A patch is or will be available for VAX, or you can "borrow" the file fromO the V7.3 Alpha patch or V7.3-1 Alpha -- the file is the same on Alpha and VAX.)   8 >And out of curiosity, how does one go about setting the. >SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL logical ? (on VAX)   2 As stated above:  @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP BOTH  H I believe that all of this is correctly explained in the system managers manual for V7.3 and later.   --  I       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA,H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:33:20 GMTx. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: Re: Timezone-change observations 3 Message-ID: <A8Dv9.24674$aa2.291232@news.chello.at>a  k In article <f1yv9.2$Tc1.93276@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) writes:a] >In article <3DBC5281.9FFD33BC@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:u9 >>And out of curiosity, how does one go about setting the / >>SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL logical ? (on VAX) s > 3 >As stated above:  @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP BOTHa   VAX:2 %UTC-F-NOSUCHDIR, directory BOTH[SYSEXE] not found. %UTC-I-CHECKP1, check target root parameter P1   Alpha: ***p$ *** BOTH: is not a valid target root& BOTH:[000000]sysexe.dir does not exist ***e  3 So, we're not alone in need of reading the docs ;-)d   -- s Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERd% Network and OpenVMS system specialistf E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:20:26 -0500'- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ) Subject: Re: Timezone-change observations>, Message-ID: <3DBEDF77.65F62270@videotron.ca>   Charlie Hammond wrote:. >     Execute @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP BOTH > 8 > (BOTH is not required on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 and later)  N Thanks. I think I recall running this once.  (probably when I upgraded to 7.2)  M However "BOTH" fails on VAX-VMS 7.2. The command procedure expects P1 to be a  system root and nothing else.   K Oh and again, there is no "YUKON" time zone for Canada or anywhere in Northr America for that matter.  I Yukon operates on Pacific time zone. (I had posted links to official infoo' about this a few weeks ago right here).H    , >     Execute @SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS  3 Ahh, ok that is the one I probably never executed !a  N Is there some logical (even on VAX) which says whether a system is on daylightB savings or not at this moment in time ? Or is it just the timezone differential which matters ?     If I may make a suggestion:-  K Add a "System Management" topic in HELP which would have, amongst others, amK subtopic on time zone management with brief descriptions of procedures (for6( VAX and ALPHA since they are different).  E And does VAX not have automatic daylight change parameter in SYSGEN ?J   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:12:34 GMTg8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)) Subject: Re: Timezone-change observations43 Message-ID: <SYBv9.23$_z1.1168492@news.cpqcorp.net>>  - In article <3DBEDF77.65F62270@videotron.ca>, c/ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:   N >However "BOTH" fails on VAX-VMS 7.2. The command procedure expects P1 to be a >system root and nothing else.  " Opps -- my appologies.  Either try  /     Execute @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP "" BOTHG  ? of just leave all the params off and select BOTH when prompted.4  L >Oh and again, there is no "YUKON" time zone for Canada or anywhere in North >America for that matter.e  I YUKON is there in OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 -- I don't know when it was added.u; It DOES appear to be present in OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-2, also."  @ The best workaround might be to select the US PACIFIC time zone.   -- rI       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USAnH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:49:45 -0500E- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s) Subject: Re: Timezone-change observations1, Message-ID: <3DBF026C.809F13D0@videotron.ca>   Charlie Hammond wrote:N > >Oh and again, there is no "YUKON" time zone for Canada or anywhere in North > >America for that matter.  > K > YUKON is there in OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 -- I don't know when it was added.m= > It DOES appear to be present in OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-2, also.   L no, your procedures includes a time zone (Yukon) which has not existed sinceI the last millenium... (and Yuklon is also included in the source code for  Canada's time zones).-  L (ok, Yukon Time Zone hasn't used anywhere for at least over a decade, if you0 find "since last millenium" to be exagerated :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:58:26 -0500n From: Big <fre@teds.pr>  Subject: TSM troublesi' Message-ID: <B9E46EB2.7539%fre@teds.pr>k  K I'm trying to get TSM running on my Alphas, and have installed the freewarej TSM from the HP website.D Trouble is, no documentation came with the software and I'm somewhatL stumped.  Anyone know where to get, or does anyone have a copy of the user's manual for TSM?:  K It seems the latest version of the manual available is for v1.6.  No manualk# was written for the latest version..   Thanks!v Henry    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 04:48:00 GMT$- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>I Subject: Re: TSM troubles : Message-ID: <4wJv9.1460$6g.206077@news1.news.adelphia.net>  
 Big wrote:M > I'm trying to get TSM running on my Alphas, and have installed the freeware/ > TSM from the HP website.F > Trouble is, no documentation came with the software and I'm somewhatN > stumped.  Anyone know where to get, or does anyone have a copy of the user's > manual for TSM?t > M > It seems the latest version of the manual available is for v1.6.  No manualo% > was written for the latest version.'  9 I do not think there has been many changes to the manual.   ; You may want to contact the Digital Networks Product Group.   D I just posted on October 25 some other information on TSM under the # thread: "TSM on the Freeware disk".s  H It should be available on your news reader on comp.os.vms, or available $ from searching http://www.google.com   -Johne wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlye   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:12:56 GMTe2 From: "David L. Reed" <dlreed@nospam.hersheys.com> Subject: UCX Telnet help/ Message-ID: <Y4Bv9.780$N5.942693@nnrp1.ptd.net>a   Greetings All,  - We're running OpenVMS V6.2 and UCX V3.3 ECO 2-= We have many users using Telnet sessions for VMS applications K Every Telnet session generates a file UCX$TELNETSYM_TEMP_xxxx.DAT;1  (wherer xxxx increments each occurance)43 I get an OPCOM message for every session as followse   AUDIT$SERVER   Username: User Object Class Name: Fileb> Object Name: _DSA0:[SYS0.UCX_LPD]UCX$TELNETSYM_TEMP_xxxx.DAT;1 Object Owner:[UCX$AUX, UCX_LPD]0< Object Protection: SYSTEM:RWED, OWNER:RWED, GROUP:RE, WORLD: Access Requested: DELETEE STATUS: %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, Insufficient Privilege or object protection 	 violatione    L Over a period of time I accumulate thousands of these files which I manuallyK delete. How can I change the default protection on these files so they willaL automatically delete? Or how can I keep them from being created in the first place?K If there's no way to do this I guess I can set up a batch job to run once al= day to delete them but I think it should be easier than that!o Any ideas ??  
 .....David   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:22:43 -0600a1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>k Subject: Re: UCX Telnet help' Message-ID: <3DBF5083.E2D478A5@fsi.net>6   "David L. Reed" wrote: >  > Greetings All, > / > We're running OpenVMS V6.2 and UCX V3.3 ECO 2.? > We have many users using Telnet sessions for VMS applicationsnM > Every Telnet session generates a file UCX$TELNETSYM_TEMP_xxxx.DAT;1  (wherej! > xxxx increments each occurance)l5 > I get an OPCOM message for every session as followsn >  > AUDIT$SERVER >  > Username: User > Object Class Name: Filen@ > Object Name: _DSA0:[SYS0.UCX_LPD]UCX$TELNETSYM_TEMP_xxxx.DAT;1! > Object Owner:[UCX$AUX, UCX_LPD]r> > Object Protection: SYSTEM:RWED, OWNER:RWED, GROUP:RE, WORLD: > Access Requested: DELETEG > STATUS: %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, Insufficient Privilege or object protectionn > violationl > N > Over a period of time I accumulate thousands of these files which I manuallyM > delete. How can I change the default protection on these files so they willmN > automatically delete? Or how can I keep them from being created in the first > place?M > If there's no way to do this I guess I can set up a batch job to run once as? > day to delete them but I think it should be easier than that!4 > Any ideas ?? >  > .....David  G Well, the first comment you're likely to get is that you should upgradeoG UCX, if at all possible. That will likely solve the problem, but I'd beaC *REAL* curious to know why TELNETSYM cares at all about interactiveg	 logins.../   -- s David J. Dachtera2 dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:05:01 GMTe/ From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@emayle.com>J7 Subject: Re: Unique problem involving virtual terminalsiC Message-ID: <Nkyv9.810$rA5.184@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>r  9 "Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote in messagee' news:apm1iu$ma$1@newslocal.mitre.org...d@ > Stephen Eickhoff <seickhoff@mind-spring.com> writes in articleG <3DBE0773.1070309@mind-spring.com> dated Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:59:02 GMT:rJ > >I run a site which hosts, among other things, the classic game GalacticE > >Trader. Galactic Trader was intended for reliable LANs and not the J > >internet, so handling players who disconnect has been a real problem. IJ > >thought the best solution for this was to enable virtual terminals, butI > >after some testing I realized that these are controlled by user ID andoJ > >not originating IP. This is a problem because, so that I didn't have toK > >create a new account for every new player, I created one captive account G > >with no password (and no privs) for the players to logon with. So if K > >someone disconnects, the next player to telnet in could resume the otherl! > >player's session if they wish.s >P > Two different ideas: >yF > 1.  Set DISRECONNECT on the account, then use a command procedure to decide" > whether to "manually" reconnect.   [snip]  C Thanks for the suggestions! I think I can put a script together for0! sylogin.com to pull this off now.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 19:20:36 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)A Subject: Re: VIP software e-mails (spamming to sell VMS software) = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0210291920.30c15c30@posting.google.com>k  h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<VRfswQgrx1TA@eisner.encompasserve.org>...d > In article <xCvv9.77703$r7.1499327@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:H > > Does anyone know anything about the e-mails I have been getting from > > info@momss.nliL > > It is about some software called "VIP" for VMS Information Provider.  ItO > > allows you to do things like stop all the process using a particular image,.D > > even across a cluster.  I could find a lot of uses for that one. > > D > > They actually have a pretty good web site:  http://www.momss.nl/( > > I just have a problem with the spam. > P > ==============================================================================K > The Boulder Pledge: "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anythingeL >      offered to me as the result of an unsolicited email message. Nor willK >      I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings>J >      to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival  >      of the online community."P > ==============================================================================  @ if they listened to your pledge, they would have never have sentB you the email and you would have never known about the product ...= sounds counterproductive to me ... I want to know about every. product out there for vms ...j   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:16:32 GMTo8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)J Subject: Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure3 Message-ID: <A0Cv9.27$_z1.1168492@news.cpqcorp.net>l  6 >Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond.  >How should it be defined?   Ambiguously?   (Oh-oh -- I'm in trouble now!)   -- MI       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:37:44 -0500t From: Tym_Stegner@cca-int.comiJ Subject: Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measureA Message-ID: <OF9467D707.D1564284-ON85256C61.00712754@cca-int.com>n  K In article <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B8F@rlghncst964.usps.gov>, # VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> writes:  >o6 > Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond. > How should it be defined?  >   E Regardless of the definition, the value will always be "ONE Redmond".e   Just ask the DOJ...    :-)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:41:31 -0800t$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>J Subject: RE: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure0 Message-ID: <01C27F48.91A49350@sulfer.icius.com>  
 In article@ <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B8F@rlghncst964.usps.gov>,# VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> writes:l >s6 > Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond. > How should it be defined?  >   G One redmond = the volume of B.S. required to sell a worthless tool to a2B totally clueless sucker. Redmonds act as an inverse measurement ofH gullibility. People wear their "redmond rating" as a badge of honour, asG in: "Look, it took 35 whole redmonds to sell me Windows XP!" IndicatingeD the speaker is 35 times less clueless than, say, the average Gartner analyst.   Shane    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Oct 2002 20:53:53 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)J Subject: Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure5 Message-ID: <apmsh1$37kv5$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>p  , In article <3DBEE03C.8BC8DC5F@videotron.ca>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > VAXVMS wrote:  >> e7 >> Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond.a >> How should it be defined? > P > Or how long it takes to open a WORD document that has one line of text in it ?  = But then it would depend on how many edits that one line had.    bill   -- VJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:39:35 -0700   From: Jon <jsmyth69@hotmail.com>J Subject: Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure8 Message-ID: <ig3urug1ahk7sgampeptaout1lmdndutr6@4ax.com>  6 I'd suggest a measurement of Upgrades/patches per week  " VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> wrote:   >l6 >Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond.  >How should it be defined? >r >:^) >p >========================s! >William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPSr >OpenVMS Support Servicesr' >4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800o; >919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:23:43 -05002- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>eJ Subject: Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure, Message-ID: <3DBEE03C.8BC8DC5F@videotron.ca>  
 VAXVMS wrote:u > 6 > Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond. > How should it be defined?K  6 How quickly the system goes from "boot" to "crash" :-)  N Or how long it takes to open a WORD document that has one line of text in it ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:23:34 +0100n6 From: Jan van Mastbergen <jan.vanmastbergen@planet.nl>J Subject: Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure( Message-ID: <3DBF1876.4030102@planet.nl>  D Well, if you want the Redmond rating to be a measure of performance B (i.e. bigger numbers are better) then perhaps it should be 1/(sw. I startup time, averaged over  a typical application set). This would make a  for some nice observations like:1 with constant hardware the RR decreases over time 1 with constant software the RR increases over timem+ without constraints the RR remains constanta  G However, for individual particles (pc's and their owners) the constant aB influx of freefloating software drives the RR downwards below the H owner's tolerance level and provokes a response to restore the RR. This F is typically achieved by spending money on more recent hardware, thus I providing room for more and newer freefloating software. After some time AE the cycle repeats itself. So, in retrospect, the RR is perhaps not a HG measure of system performance but a measure of human impatience, which e# would explain why it is a constant.e  D Makes me wonder what it takes to keep the cycle going. The personal E cost of hardware upgrades is a barrier, which requires a stimulus to iI overcome. Cost of software upgrades is another barrier. It is the almost >D   uncontrolled influx of freefloating software that does the trick. H Watch the use of the word freefloating rather than free here. I tend to G think that free software (freeware, GPL, open source etc.) doesn't cut cA it as a RRRA (Redmond rating reducing agent) since so much of it cB represents continued development of what is essentially quite old : software, which is therefore too simple and thus too fast.H We need some scientific research here but for now it seems that we need ! piracy to keep the economy going.a  I Leaves us with the question how to define 1 Redmond. I would propose the )I startup of WordPerfect 5.1 on a 8MHz PC-XT with 512kb RAM (WP 4x on same g* was fine, 5.1 just beginning to irritate).   Just [dr|th]inking, Janl   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  . > In article <3DBEE03C.8BC8DC5F@videotron.ca>,2 > 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >  >>VAXVMS wrote:t >>7 >>>Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond.  >>>How should it be defined? >>> P >>Or how long it takes to open a WORD document that has one line of text in it ? >> > ? > But then it would depend on how many edits that one line had.  >  > bill >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:07:15 GMT # From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net>dJ Subject: Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure- Message-ID: <3DBF4D03.F03700B7@earthlink.net>m  
 VAXVMS wrote:] > 6 > Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond. > How should it be defined?, >  > :^),  2 I'd call it the ratio of bugs to working features.   -- Aaron Sliwinski   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:14:19 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>;J Subject: Re: VUPS, MIPS, microfortnights and other arcane units of measure' Message-ID: <3DBF4E8B.EF2E8076@fsi.net>_  
 VAXVMS wrote:a > 6 > Presuppose a unit of measurement called the redmond. > How should it be defined?,  C Probably as a function taking into account the number of M$-powered,G servers in (a portion of) an installation and their likelihood of being C disabled, either temporarily or permanently due to viruses, variousoH forms of corruption (memory leaks, filesystem damage, etc.) and applying@ to that an index of downtime cost relative the to organization'sG operating costs per hour (or other suitable unit of cost vs. time), and E taking into consideration the elevation of that operating cost due to>F the need to direct resources away from the business and toward revival of the downed server.b  E Thus, the TCO of such systems could include a statistically estimatedr1 value stated in "Redmonds" as a weighting factor.}  F For example, for the TCO of 1 W2K server in an organization having 200E of them (total) and which expends $125,000/hour in operational costs, F the analyst might include a value of some 250 Redmonds per year, whichF might be further calculated as some $25,000,000/year in potential costB of downtime (for budgeting purposes only - this is an estimate, at best).  C Naturally, VMS-based systems would have dramatically lower RedmondsdD counts due to the dramatically reduced likelihood of being downed by! errant and/or malicious software.o   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:06:29 GMTE6 From: Jeffrey Coffield <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com>Y Subject: Re: Why did the VMS programmers confuse Halloween with Christmas this  year? thi 4 Message-ID: <3DBF76AC.3080607@digitalsynergyinc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:b > Tom Linden wrote:  >  >>You forgot NOV 27  >  > 5 > OCT 31 and DEC 25, I get. But I don't get NOV 27...c > I > At the risk of making me sound very stupid, would you care to explain ?     
 Nov = base 9?f 2 x 9**1 + 7*9**0 = 25   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2002 18:25:26 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)T Subject: Re: Why did the VMS programmers confuse Halloween with Christmas this year?= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0210291825.770e1482@posting.google.com>0  n John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> wrote in message news:<20021025205214.A22931@eisenschmidt.org>...< > Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Ray (lists@atc.edu) Wrote: > > Because: > >  > > OCT 31 = DEC 25R >    > ::deep breath::= >  > BOO! > A > And I thought "Only COBOL programmers understand why women hate, > periods" was bad.,  ' Programmers do it with Al Gore Rhythms.   F Disclaimer: NOT to be interpreted, misinterpreted, or otherwise, as anA opinion about programmers, Al Gore, or anything else, whatsoever.f   Alan E. FeldmanI   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:30:48 -0800e# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> T Subject: RE: Why did the VMS programmers confuse Halloween with Christmas this year?9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGENGFPAA.tom@kednos.com>i   You forgot NOV 27s   >-----Original Message-----/6 >From: Alan E. Feldman [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]( >Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:25 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com@ >Subject: Re: Why did the VMS programmers confuse Halloween with >Christmas this year?; >e > ? >John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> wrote in message ,1 >news:<20021025205214.A22931@eisenschmidt.org>...]= >> Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Ray (lists@atc.edu) Wrote: 
 >> > Because:u >> >   >> > OCT 31 = DEC 25 >>   >> ::deep breath:: >> c >> BOO!' >> oB >> And I thought "Only COBOL programmers understand why women hate >> periods" was bad. > ( >Programmers do it with Al Gore Rhythms. >tG >Disclaimer: NOT to be interpreted, misinterpreted, or otherwise, as annB >opinion about programmers, Al Gore, or anything else, whatsoever. >o >Alan E. Feldman >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.e; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).gB >Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/2002 >t ---r& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/2002c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:11:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>cY Subject: Re: Why did the VMS programmers confuse Halloween with Christmas this year? year + Message-ID: <3DBF4DC5.998D31C@videotron.ca>.   Tom Linden wrote:  >  > You forgot NOV 27e  3 OCT 31 and DEC 25, I get. But I don't get NOV 27...i  G At the risk of making me sound very stupid, would you care to explain ?]   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.599 ************************