1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 05 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 490       Contents: Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: After Memory Upgrade Re: After Memory Upgrade Re: After Memory Upgrade2 Re: Alpha system model # changing after an upgrade	 Re: am/pm 	 Re: am/pm  Re: Anyone need a RX50?  Re: Anyone need a RX50?  Re: Anyone need a RX50?  Re: Calculating GB Re: Calculating GB Re: Compression Utility? Re: Compression Utility? RE: Compression Utility? Re: Compression Utility? Re: Compression Utility? Re: Compression Utility? Re: Compression Utility? Re: Compression Utility?% Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % RE: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK  CUO UK Re: DECW$CALENDAR file format. Re: DECW$CALENDAR file format.3 Re: DECwindows X11 display server: creating visuals  definition of SYS$SYSROOT . Re: Hardware Question . Alphastation 255 266/4. Re: Hardware Question . Alphastation 255 266/4+ Re: IBM did it, Sun did it, why Compaq not?  ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware1 Re: Mapping PF1-PF4 in DECwindows or Linux xterm?  Re: MATCHC Instruction4 Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! Re: Mozilla 1.1 burner of CPU 9 Re: netscape/modzilla/HP/open-source: system requirements 9 Re: netscape/modzilla/HP/open-source: system requirements 9 Re: netscape/modzilla/HP/open-source: system requirements  Re: Please Sum it up.  Re: Remote Site Cluster Member Re: Remote Site Cluster Member Re: Remote Site Cluster Member Re: Remote Site Cluster Member( SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION), Re: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION), Re: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)A Re: Sick of the trolls, whiners, and non-customers in this forum?  Re: simh is back up. Re: simh is back up.) SINIX (a Siemans-Nixdorf variant of Unix) 8 Re: Size of I/O count fields in SHOW PROC and SHOW SYS ? SOAP Toolkit" VaxStation 4000/60 need hard drive& RE: VaxStation 4000/60 need hard drive& Re: VaxStation 4000/60 need hard drive& RE: VaxStation 4000/60 need hard drive& Re: VaxStation 4000/60 need hard drive VMS - where to start Re: VMS - where to start RE: VMS - where to start6 VMS DIBOL still tops after 20+ years ... wins e-award! Re: VMS Printing To CA/Dispatch  Re: VMS Printing To CA/Dispatch  Re: VMS Printing To CA/Dispatch $ Weird, but you get that - marketing.( Re: Weird, but you get that - marketing.( Re: Weird, but you get that - marketing.( Re: Weird, but you get that - marketing.) Whew!  Why arn't there any simh binaries? A Re: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP) @ Re: XFC V2.0 and VDDRIVER (was: RE: XFC v2 ECO, negative report)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:47:04 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)  Subject: Re: "inview" Article + Message-ID: <al7g7o$t8c$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   \ In article <3D767E57.C14BF7C4@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Keith Parris wrote:H >> I can take (and I have often seen this happen) an application writtenI >> with no knowledge of clusters, put it onto a VMS Cluster platform, and D >> I can immediately reap the benefits of the VMS Cluster platform's > M >That assumes that the application was written to allow multiple instances of : >itself to co-exist. (for instance, file IO, logging etc).  J In general it doesn't. For instance for logging, if the application reallyK won't let you name the logfile and insists on opening a new one on startup, H then VMS' file versioning comes to the rescue.  The first application toK startup opens a logfile. The second one running on a different cluster node A opens a logfile with the same name but one higher version number. 8 Both then continue to write to their own opened logfile.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:35:33 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>  Subject: Re: "inview" Article 0 Message-ID: <al7tk6$p8u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > C >>However the big 4 applications server products, BEA, iPlanet (now  >>known as SunONE,   >> > . > Andrew, perhaps you can clarify some things. > L > My ISP just converted last week its email infrastructure (losing messages, > down for a days or etc etc). > J > When I started with them, they were with SIMS (PMDF for sun). Then, theyH > migrated to Netspace Enterprise server, and now they are with iPlanet. >      SIMS was Sun's IMAP server.   ) When the Sun AOL alliance was created the * Netscape products such as apps server, web+ mail etc all came under the umbrella of the 	 alliance.   ) Solaris Internet Mail Server was replaced ) by Netscape's IMAP server as the standard  IMAP server that we supplied.   * All the Netscape server products were then+ re-branded as iPlanet. So the Netscape IMAP , server became the iPlanet server, there were* product updates but this was a re-branding( excercise and not a product replacement.    K > Now, I am told that all 3 of these products are associated with Sun. This K > seems to me like a nightmare similar to wintel shops having migraded from R > cc:MAIL to MS-MAIL to Outlook/Exchange, each time, having to start from scratch. > P > Is there a reason why Sun didn't just stick with SIMS and grow that product toL > allow greater scalability ?  Have there been changes in strategy at Sun in> > terms of messaging which resulted in those product changes ? >     3 At the time of the AOL Sun deal decisions were made 3 about which products to retain and which to discard  where there was overlap.  4 The Netscape server won out though some bits of SIMS/ were incorporated into it. iPlanet is as I said  simply a re-branding.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:50:55 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)  Subject: Re: "inview" Article + Message-ID: <al821f$5ka$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>    In article <al7tk6$p8u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes: >  >  >JF Mezei wrote: > + >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  >>   >  >  >SIMS was Sun's IMAP server. > 1 SIMS was as you well know not SUN's IMAP server.  A SIMS was an OEMd version of the PMDF MTA with various Sun addons. F You'll find our previous discussions on this topic archived on google.      D Sun then bought Innosoft the owners of PMDF (and also the owners of  the IDDS LDAP server)., These products were then donated to iPlanet.  H Since most of the users of PMDF run on VMS and Tru64 rather than SolarisJ (and a fair number of those who run it on Solaris wanted to stay with the N real PMDF product rather than migrate to SIMS) Sun sold the rights to continueH to develop PMDF to Process whilst retaining ownership so that they could donate the code to iPlanet.   K How things were integrated between the Netscape products donated to iPlanet K and the Innosoft products I don't know. A number of the Innosoft people who L still work for Sun will know the exact details but comments from them on theL vmsnet.mail.pmdf newsgroup about future code developments in PMDF as againstC those going on in SunOne tend to suggest that the codebase is still  fundamentally the same.       
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University        * >When the Sun AOL alliance was created the+ >Netscape products such as apps server, web , >mail etc all came under the umbrella of the
 >alliance. > * >Solaris Internet Mail Server was replaced* >by Netscape's IMAP server as the standard >IMAP server that we supplied. > + >All the Netscape server products were then , >re-branded as iPlanet. So the Netscape IMAP- >server became the iPlanet server, there were + >product updates but this was a re-branding ) >excercise and not a product replacement.  >  > L >> Now, I am told that all 3 of these products are associated with Sun. ThisL >> seems to me like a nightmare similar to wintel shops having migraded fromS >> cc:MAIL to MS-MAIL to Outlook/Exchange, each time, having to start from scratch.  >>  Q >> Is there a reason why Sun didn't just stick with SIMS and grow that product to M >> allow greater scalability ?  Have there been changes in strategy at Sun in ? >> terms of messaging which resulted in those product changes ?  >>   >  > 4 >At the time of the AOL Sun deal decisions were made4 >about which products to retain and which to discard >where there was overlap.  > 5 >The Netscape server won out though some bits of SIMS 0 >were incorporated into it. iPlanet is as I said >simply a re-branding. >  >Regards >Andrew Harrison >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:52:30 +0100& From: "Kopic" <lord_kopic@hotmail.com>! Subject: Re: After Memory Upgrade * Message-ID: <al7um4$foa$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  G Try AUTOGEN - always a good bet after a hardware/software config change    --Simon   $ "Jim" <jim@jim.com> wrote in message( news:Xns927F74B7FFA90jimwork@10.1.0.4... > Hello, > J > After we upgraded the memory on our vax4000 two node cluster from 128 to( > 256meg, performance has been very bad. > L > Jumping from screen to screen takes a long time, there seems to be alot ofL > ENQ/DEQ (ie. file locks?) and the command $monitor cluster/interval=1 does, > NOT update every 1 second like it used to. >  > Any thoughts?  >  > Thanks   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 17:13:27 GMT  From: Jim <jim@jim.com> ! Subject: Re: After Memory Upgrade . Message-ID: <Xns928084E214285jimwork@10.1.0.4>   I'm told autogen was performed.   E I've read that 'manual' tweaking is also required along with autogen.    Any additional ideas?    Thanks   Jim     A Jim <jim@jim.com> wrote in news:Xns927F74B7FFA90jimwork@10.1.0.4:    > Hello, > G > After we upgraded the memory on our vax4000 two node cluster from 128 + > to 256meg, performance has been very bad.  > D > Jumping from screen to screen takes a long time, there seems to be< > alot of ENQ/DEQ (ie. file locks?) and the command $monitorD > cluster/interval=1 does NOT update every 1 second like it used to. >  > Any thoughts?  >  > Thanks >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 10:56:16 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ! Subject: Re: After Memory Upgrade = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0209050956.2a481541@posting.google.com>   M Jim <jim@jim.com> wrote in message news:<Xns927F74B7FFA90jimwork@10.1.0.4>... M > Jumping from screen to screen takes a long time, there seems to be alot of  M > ENQ/DEQ (ie. file locks?) and the command $monitor cluster/interval=1 does  , > NOT update every 1 second like it used to.  D Given that an AUTOGEN was done, you might want to see what parameter@ changes AUTOGEN did (comparing SYS$SYSTEM:SETPARAMS.DAT files ofE different dates with $DIFFERENCES/PARALLEL might be the easiest way).   F You may have to just start from scratch the your performance analysis,E using the techniques in the performance manual in the documentation.  E It is conceivable that the performance problem has nothing to do with : the memory upgrade, other than being coincidental in time.  C If you don't already have DECamds / Availability Manager installed, 9 you might find that tool helpful, and it's free with VMS.   C A generic technique I've found very useful is to identify a process F that seems slow, and then try to identify what it's waiting on most of= the time.  look at it under SDA ($ANALYZE/SYSTEM) using a DCL B procedure that loops, looking at SDA> SHOW PROCESS/CHANNELS outputD looking for "Busy" channels, which can indicate I/O bottlenecks, andB SDA> SHOW PROCESS/LOCKS looking for lock requests that are queued,# which can indicate lock contention.   C With regard to the ENQ/DEQs, you didn't say what version of VMS you @ were running, but if you're running 7.2-2 or higher, the new SDAF extension LCK (under $ANALYZE/SYSTEM, do LCK at the SDA> prompt to seeF LCK's online help) can be used to show what is going on in the area ofC locking.  SDA> LCK ACTIVE will show the most-active lock trees on a F given node (and what file they correspond to).  LCK can also trace allE lock requests, if it comes down to that.  If you're not running 7.2-2 ? or above, or would like a cluster-wide locking activity summary C instead of the per-node info that LCK gives, use the LOCK_ACTV tool . from the VMS Freeware CD under [KP_LOCKTOOLS].  F With regard to the slowness observed in MONITOR CLUSTER, you might seeD if a network problem might be contributing to the cluster slowness. D There, it would be helpful to know if you are using DECnet or TCP/IPD for MONITOR CLUSTER, and whether or not your cluster uses the LAN as the cluster interconnect. . ----------------------------------------------. Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:02:34 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>; Subject: Re: Alpha system model # changing after an upgrade ) Message-ID: <3D771DAA.5D566654@127.0.0.1>    system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > L > A customer claims that an OpenVMS upgrade from V7.1-2 to V7.2-1 causes theM > HW_MODEL number to change from 1838 (V7.1-2) to 1920 (V7.2-1).  I don't be- M > lieve this is possible.  I do believe that this customer is simply lying to 8 > get a product licensing key for unauthorized hardware. > / > Will somebody please verify this here for me?    I can't verify that.  F However I will cite from a known case where VAX 78xx processors reportE themselves as 77xx processors, and we needed an OS patch to fix it. I G know this is a VAX but perhaps this suggests that what your customer is / seeing is not beyond the realms of possibility.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:03:21 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  Subject: Re: am/pm8 Message-ID: <eh3enu4opkd2r2aflnjkcl3gg4p1qlb1gg@4ax.com>  2 On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:43:02 -0400, "Brian Tillman", <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote:  $ >>Same thing when I run for the bus. > I >It is an unusual bus system if 45 seconds either way makes a difference. - >What if the bus driver's watch is incorrect?   E Some local buses (certainly in the UK and so I presume elsewhere) run D with GPS systems and accurately time-synched clocks. A drivers watch= doesn't come into it. They cannot leave a stop *before* their E scheduled time but will leave dead on down to the second if they were F ahead of time on arrival.  If JF is dialing into a bus stop to get theB time then presumably he is using such a computer controlled systemF where 45 seconds would make all the difference if the bus was on time.  A Just why our local buses need to be this accurate I don't know. I E suspect its because they want to pretend they are a high tech. subway  system.  -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 05:48:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: am/pm, Message-ID: <3D772876.C6A75442@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote: G > Some local buses (certainly in the UK and so I presume elsewhere) run F > with GPS systems and accurately time-synched clocks. A drivers watch? > doesn't come into it. They cannot leave a stop *before* their G > scheduled time but will leave dead on down to the second if they were  > ahead of time on arrival.     K Our buses in montreal aren't THAT high tech. It is just that my bus stop is N located at a point along the route where the schedule is pretty reliable.  TheM buses on that line are equipped with a "PA" system. When a driver enoucbnterscM heavy traffic on the highway portion, he calls it in, and the dispatcher thenfM advises all bus drivers on the line to take an alternate route to bypass that  highway section.  K I never check the accuracy of the schedule of buses arriving from the city. M That one is probably pretty unreliable especially at peak times. But both thetN one where I board to get to the city, and the one in the city to get back home are quite accurate.   K And their fancy bus schedule system runs on Unix BTW. Each bus stop has itstL own telephone number and the server has some sort of telephony interface forL some major trunk line that interprets what number I havd dialed, fetches the; schedule for that stop and then generates the voice output.o  J It might be more efficient to have implemented it as an SMS interface, butK only one carrier supported SMS here at the time this system was setup, withoN the others on the less developped proprietary USA protocols for mobile phones.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:37:19 +0100e( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>  Subject: Re: Anyone need a RX50?) Message-ID: <3D7717BF.933B2064@127.0.0.1>d   WarlockD wrote:h > J > The drive:)  I hard you can just use normal disks in it, though they are0 > formated to like 153 or 183k, I can't remeber.  F The RX50 disks are a special format, I think you can format them underG VMS, but I'm not sure how, and I haven't looked. However I had a box ofI2 RX50's given to me for use with my PDP, with RX50.  E With an appropriate formatter, I believe you need double sided doubleeH density 5.25 inch disks. (Open to correction and/or further information)   -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:07:05 GMTS- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>b  Subject: Re: Anyone need a RX50?= Message-ID: <tVGd9.33333$WJ3.7113452@news1.news.adelphia.net>P   Nic Clews wrote: > WarlockD wrote:U > J >>The drive:)  I hard you can just use normal disks in it, though they are0 >>formated to like 153 or 183k, I can't remeber.  3 The RX50 drive accepts 2 400K RX50 formatted disks.S  H > The RX50 disks are a special format, I think you can format them underI > VMS, but I'm not sure how, and I haven't looked. However I had a box ofa4 > RX50's given to me for use with my PDP, with RX50.  G > With an appropriate formatter, I believe you need double sided double/J > density 5.25 inch disks. (Open to correction and/or further information)  E The RQDX2 and RQDX3 controllers will support an RX50.  I am not sure  , that an RQDX2 controller is still supported.  D Note that an RX33 on a RQDX3 controller can read and write RX50s in 5 addition to standard 1.2MB high density floppy disks.k  G Of the RX50s that I have picked up from various sources, 2 have failed a to work, and one is untested.t   -Johny wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion OnlyM   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:22:38 -0400E' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>-  Subject: Re: Anyone need a RX50?< Message-ID: <howard-6D5A29.13223805092002@enews.newsguy.com>  ) In article <3D7717BF.933B2064@127.0.0.1>,(*  Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:  H > The RX50 disks are a special format, I think you can format them underI > VMS, but I'm not sure how, and I haven't looked. However I had a box ofP4 > RX50's given to me for use with my PDP, with RX50.  ! You'd use the INITIALIZE command.w   -- k6 Today, on Pay-per-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 06:47:53 -0700t. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: Calculating GBi= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0209050547.44674c10@posting.google.com>i  { "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" <Edward.Lucas@bp.com> wrote in message news:<EF1DC894691AD5118AF000508BB85FDE034CC80C@AMCLVX11>...s > Question:  > N > I wrote a simple little command procedure that will produce disk statistics. > L > At the bottom of my procedure, I am calculating storage in GB. Hmmmmm, but% > my total should be greater than 1.  G > But the calculation is only showing 1, what the heck am I doing wrongr > - > I take the (total storage * 512)/1000000000a > D > This is simple and I am going bonkers. daaaaaaa WHAT am I missing.    " First I'd recommend using Fortran.  D If you must use DCL, then you'll have to work at it a bit, since youE are dealing with integer aritmetic (in which 500/1000 = 0) and 32-bit$E signed integer variables which are not big enough for (total_blocks * 5 512) in many cases. And there's no overflow checking!s   So, for DCL,  + 1.) Get the number of blocks via f$getdvi()   ; 2.) Divide it repeatedly by 10 until you get down to 3 or 4P= significant figures (your choice as to number of sig. figs.).a   3.) Multiply by 512. r  F 4.) Use string operations to add a decimal point and place it based onD how many times you divided by 10 and round off to the desired number of significant figures.   C This will be slightly inaccurate in the last significant figure. Ife@ that is not sufficient, you'll have to play more games involvingF calculations performed with slightly more significant figures than you= want in the answer and doing appropriate rounding at the end.M  D If you wish to use "real GB", that is, 1024^3, you'll need to divideA by 1024 first, and multiply back up by 1000 so as not to have the B answer eventually go to zero or lose too much accuracy, repeat twoE more times, and keep track of how many powers of 10 you multiplied by 2 and undo that in the last step (see step 4 above).  
 Not much fun.   F I hear there is a DCL calculator freeware program available. You mightA want to try that. Otherwise, I'd highly recommend Fortran or somea8 other 3GL (?) language. And use "real number" variables.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanl spamsink2001 at yahoo dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:08:27 +0100e From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>  Subject: Re: Calculating GBn) Message-ID: <3D77655B.621E5EDF@Omond.net>d   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:   > [... snip ...] >a > Not much fun.  >sH > I hear there is a DCL calculator freeware program available. You mightC > want to try that. Otherwise, I'd highly recommend Fortran or somei: > other 3GL (?) language. And use "real number" variables.  F ICALC, available from that fine place, Hunter Goatley's VMS repository at http://www.process.com   0 (I'm beginning to sound like a broken record :-)  	 Roy Omondt Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:26:09 +0200m From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>! Subject: Re: Compression Utility? 4 Message-ID: <NICd9.46297$C26.4489579@zwoll1.home.nl>   FalconFan wrote:A > I'm in need of a VMS compression utility.  I need to be able towE > compress a large binary file then ftp it from one server to anothernE > server then uncompress.  I don't have a lot of experience in VMS in F > this area.  Anyone care to recommend a good compression utility (and* > where to find it) for a beginner to use? >  > Thanks for any info :) > FalconFanr     How about zip ? Look at:   http://www.info-zip.org/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:03:02 +0200P9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>s! Subject: Re: Compression Utility?o' Message-ID: <3D7701A6.D6590FA1@aaa.com>h  
 ZIP/UNZIP.  	 Look at :o  + "http://www.process.com/openvms/index.html"n   Regardsp Jan-Erik Sderholm   FalconFan wrote: > A > I'm in need of a VMS compression utility.  I need to be able totE > compress a large binary file then ftp it from one server to anothertE > server then uncompress.  I don't have a lot of experience in VMS insF > this area.  Anyone care to recommend a good compression utility (and* > where to find it) for a beginner to use? >  > Thanks for any info :) > FalconFand   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:11:49 +0100& From: David Gray <GrayD@turpinltd.com>! Subject: RE: Compression Utility?eS Message-ID: <79DE14DAA1A8D3119B6E00805FEB980BAE4276@zakary.turpin-distribution.com>s  K How about Zip & Unzip from http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/Zip.html#VMSc   -----Original Message-----1 From: FalconFan [mailto:falconfan@falconfan.com] r Sent: 05 September 2002 05:34t To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms Subject: Compression Utility?e  ? I'm in need of a VMS compression utility.  I need to be able to C compress a large binary file then ftp it from one server to anothertC server then uncompress.  I don't have a lot of experience in VMS in>D this area.  Anyone care to recommend a good compression utility (and( where to find it) for a beginner to use?   Thanks for any info :)	 FalconFand   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 07:26:31 -0600e- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e! Subject: Re: Compression Utility?d3 Message-ID: <uu1Q9R2h08xr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <dandnucgt9k7cdc9njjhlnk131a9v2edik@4ax.com>, FalconFan <falconfan@falconfan.com> writes:A > I'm in need of a VMS compression utility.  I need to be able to E > compress a large binary file then ftp it from one server to another.E > server then uncompress.  I don't have a lot of experience in VMS in-F > this area.  Anyone care to recommend a good compression utility (and* > where to find it) for a beginner to use?  E    zip, unzip, and gzip come to mind.  The FAQ will point you to lotsg(    of places to find this kind of stuff.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:43:52 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>! Subject: Re: Compression Utility? , Message-ID: <al7jh9$1ih4@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  C > > I'm in need of a VMS compression utility.  I need to be able toaG > > compress a large binary file then ftp it from one server to anothern > > server then uncompress.r >tG >    zip, unzip, and gzip come to mind.  The FAQ will point you to lotsu* >    of places to find this kind of stuff.  G zip is probably the most fully featured in terms of managing attributesjG and/or multiple file archives. For a simple compress/decompress utility.G bzip2 may give you a better compression ratio than gzip (with a similari interface).q  H If you're not familiar with "foreign commands" check that section of the FAQ too.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 06:53:55 -0700 ' From: geff@excite.com (geff@excite.com) ! Subject: Re: Compression Utility? = Message-ID: <2119a17f.0209050553.5834c901@posting.google.com>m  E I've tried info-zip and can't get it to work.  Any other suggestions?   	 Thanks :)k  Z Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<NICd9.46297$C26.4489579@zwoll1.home.nl>... > FalconFan wrote:C > > I'm in need of a VMS compression utility.  I need to be able to G > > compress a large binary file then ftp it from one server to anothersG > > server then uncompress.  I don't have a lot of experience in VMS in2H > > this area.  Anyone care to recommend a good compression utility (and, > > where to find it) for a beginner to use? > >  > > Thanks for any info :)
 > > FalconFans >  >  > How about zip ? Look at: >  > http://www.info-zip.org/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:04:41 +0100t From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>o! Subject: Re: Compression Utility?m) Message-ID: <3D77647A.89A220FB@Omond.net>S   "geff@excite.com" wrote:  G > I've tried info-zip and can't get it to work.  Any other suggestions?o   Oh c'mon, please.a   "... can't get it to work".m  F Please, at least give us a clue what you did and where it didn't work.> The info-zip version is IMHO the most VMS-friendly zip around.? Has the old Un*x-style interface and also a VMS-style interfaced: with *real* qualifiers (i.e. meaningful and rememberable).  ; You can get it from Hunter's site at http://www.process.comn! and it installs extremely easily.   	 Roy Omonde Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:40:53 +0200i From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>! Subject: Re: Compression Utility?Y/ Message-ID: <VILd9.175$H6.38523@zwoll1.home.nl>    geff@excite.com wrote:G > I've tried info-zip and can't get it to work.  Any other suggestions?k >  > Thanks :)     Q info-zip for VMS is the best utility I know. It can preserve VMS file attributes nH etc., so please explain your problems ! I had no problems setting it up.   regards,   Dirk   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 01:23:55 -0700d) From: christian@karg.org (Christian Karg)p. Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK= Message-ID: <7b342c68.0209050023.2a4ebb83@posting.google.com>l  D > > I think the ISO-9660 == ODS-3 connection is mentioned in the VMS > > FAQ as well, section MGMT3.e >  > You are correct: > 5 >    "On OpenVMS, the ISO-9660 format is (internally)o: >     considered to be the ODS-3 file structure, while the; >     High Sierra extensions to the standard are consideredV4 >     to be the ODS-4 file structure. The Rock Ridge9 >     extensions are not currently available on OpenVMS.", >  > ...s  ? I found what looks like a pretty complete summary of VAX/VMS CDea formats <A HREF=http://www.itec.suny.edu/scsys/vms/OVMSDOC073/V73/6017/6017pro_030.html>here</A>.d   Regards,	 Christianu   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 02:03:51 -0700-$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho). Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK= Message-ID: <d0141774.0209050103.6242d98d@posting.google.com>    Good grief!wC Fine, but 'ISO image' has been taken into the public domain in muchgA the same way as 'Hoover' or 'Xerox' has. Pedantry is fine if it'syF educational, but let's not start trying to score points of one another7 - we can't all guarantee 'correct usage' on all topics.     d Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message news:<3D76875E.4AADFB5E@trailing-edge.com>... > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > h > > In article <8327b166.0209041541.4708febc@posting.google.com>, tshoppa@wmata.com (Tim Shoppa) writes:e > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D756282.1CEC619@fsi.net>...o >  h  > > >> It needs to be ODS image. > > >d > > >pJ > > > You are technically correct, David.  But in common usage "ISO image"H > > > tends to mean "block-by-block image of a CD-ROM" as few users know > > > what ISO-9660 is!a > > L > > Please, follow the conventions of comp.os.vms by using the proper terms. > A > I try to.  I apologize to you, Larry, for explaining how otherse' > in this thread have misused the term./ > Q > > > And to be even more pedantic, ISO-9660 is known in the source code listings3$ > > > as "ODS-3" in a few places :-) > > L > > I would be interested in a citation of such locations, since I have read8 > > the F11CD listings and do not recall any such usage. > D > I just checked and it's not mentioned in the 7.2 listings.  Let me# > poke around earlier listing CD's.p > B > I think the ISO-9660 == ODS-3 connection is mentioned in the VMS > FAQ as well, section MGMT3.o >  > Tim.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 02:11:03 -0700v$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho). Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK= Message-ID: <d0141774.0209050111.6a567eb6@posting.google.com>s  B Technically yes, but many software packages which offer an imagingC feature, use the term 'ISO image' liberally, in this case WinImage.o  B Interestingly, it took me a little while to find a PC package thatF would image an ODS disk properly, most packages fail to even recognise@ that a disk is in the drive! Does anyone else have any favourite= methods of achieving this? I'm also aware of MKIMAGE from the D Softresint people which seems to mimic the *NIX dd command, although4 they have now removed this from their download area.    h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<G4OnVVoUZSFb@eisner.encompasserve.org>...f > In article <d0141774.0209040802.5d1f6a93@posting.google.com>, issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) writes:I > > Wrong, I'm afraid. It's perfectly possible to have an ISO image of annI > > ODS disk. I used WinImage to grab an ISO copy of my VAX CD, which cangF > > then be transferred and burned back to CD, and is perfectly usable > > (and bootable) from a VAX. > ( > In what sense is that an "ISO" image ? > 1 > Does it have a Volume Descriptor at Sector 16 ?h > ' > I think you really have an ODS image.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:20:10 +0100c From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> . Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK) Message-ID: <3D7721C9.DD27DE96@Omond.net>i   issinoho wrote:   D > Technically yes, but many software packages which offer an imagingE > feature, use the term 'ISO image' liberally, in this case WinImage.s  H Liberally ?  It's simply wrong.  Please do not propagate such mis-usage.? This is how Billyware achieves the "industry standard" moniker.t  D > Interestingly, it took me a little while to find a PC package thatH > would image an ODS disk properly, most packages fail to even recogniseB > that a disk is in the drive! Does anyone else have any favourite? > methods of achieving this? I'm also aware of MKIMAGE from thesF > Softresint people which seems to mimic the *NIX dd command, although6 > they have now removed this from their download area.  F My favourite method would be to scrap the PC, get a Mac and use Toast., Alternatively use CDRECORD on a VMS machine.  A If you really must stay with the PC, then I'm pretty certain GearaB can do block-for-block CD copies (I don't have a PC to test this).  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:30:12 +0100- From: Martin Walker <Martin.Walker@csf.co.uk>H. Subject: RE: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UKA Message-ID: <C3521D5A224C344284C3666E831BF6801D9E17@london_exch2>e  / Yes, I use Gear (http://www.gearsoftware.com/).   K I've also head mention that Nero works but not tried it as Gear is fine fore me.k   -----Original Message-----& From: Roy Omond [mailto:Roy@Omond.net] Sent: 05 September 2002 10:20  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com:. Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK     issinoho wrote:R  D > Technically yes, but many software packages which offer an imagingE > feature, use the term 'ISO image' liberally, in this case WinImage.:  H Liberally ?  It's simply wrong.  Please do not propagate such mis-usage.? This is how Billyware achieves the "industry standard" moniker.4  D > Interestingly, it took me a little while to find a PC package thatH > would image an ODS disk properly, most packages fail to even recogniseB > that a disk is in the drive! Does anyone else have any favourite? > methods of achieving this? I'm also aware of MKIMAGE from theyF > Softresint people which seems to mimic the *NIX dd command, although6 > they have now removed this from their download area.  F My favourite method would be to scrap the PC, get a Mac and use Toast., Alternatively use CDRECORD on a VMS machine.  A If you really must stay with the PC, then I'm pretty certain GeardB can do block-for-block CD copies (I don't have a PC to test this).  	 Roy Omondi Blue Bubble Ltd.  A This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be oF legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the@ sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your  system. ? All electronic communications with the Company may be monitored0A in accordance with the UK Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act,., Lawful Business Practice Regulations, 2000. = If you do not consent to such monitoring, you should contact r the sender of the e-mail.IB The unauthorised use, distribution, copying or alteration of this C email is strictly forbidden. If you need assistance please contact TC Head Office on (+44)(0)870 749 9000 between 9:00 am and 5:30 pm GMTh   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:17:35 GMT ! From: Andy <acs@fcgnet.works.net>M. Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK> Message-ID: <Xns9280540886670acsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>  - Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> enlightened us with>" news:3D7721C9.DD27DE96@Omond.net:    > issinoho wrote:3 >   A@ >> Interestingly, it took me a little while to find a PC package? >> that would image an ODS disk properly, most packages fail to ? >> even recognise that a disk is in the drive! Does anyone elseyB >> have any favourite methods of achieving this? I'm also aware of> >> MKIMAGE from the Softresint people which seems to mimic theB >> *NIX dd command, although they have now removed this from their >> download area.  > A > My favourite method would be to scrap the PC, get a Mac and uses5 > Toast. Alternatively use CDRECORD on a VMS machine.   9 As an additional alternateive the dd command seemed quitedB functional on Mac OS X the last time I used it (to create an imageA of the VAX VMS installation cd to use with simh). Something like:s  9 dd if =/dev/disk1s0 of=/Volumes/A_partition/vaxvms072.img(  @ Sure it's a command line program but I don't think anyone "here" is afraid of such things :-).e   -Andy- -- f  g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:05:48 -0400d+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>t. Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK1 Message-ID: <3D773A8C.175EDB3F@trailing-edge.com>e   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > f > In article <8327b166.0209041541.4708febc@posting.google.com>, tshoppa@wmata.com (Tim Shoppa) writes:O > > And to be even more pedantic, ISO-9660 is known in the source code listingsa" > > as "ODS-3" in a few places :-) > J > I would be interested in a citation of such locations, since I have read6 > the F11CD listings and do not recall any such usage.  G Look in the listings for MOUNT, specifically SRCVOL.B32 and STACP.B32. t  There you see labels of the form     F11V1  for ODS-1   F11V2  for ODS-2   F11V3  for ISO-9660s   F11V4  for High Sierra  E The comments accompanying these labels read "Files-11 presentation ofv( xxx" and index to the appropriate ACP's.  A That's not exactly "ISO-9660 is ODS-3", but the pattern indicates 7 the guy who wrote MOUNT was thinking along those lines.n   Tim.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 11:34:46 -0600-- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)m. Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK3 Message-ID: <w6aiqBVG7VIg@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  d In article <d0141774.0209050103.6242d98d@posting.google.com>, issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) writes:
 > Good grief! E > Fine, but 'ISO image' has been taken into the public domain in much C > the same way as 'Hoover' or 'Xerox' has. Pedantry is fine if it'suH > educational, but let's not start trying to score points of one another9 > - we can't all guarantee 'correct usage' on all topics.i  F We are (or some of us are) trying to communicate technical informationI accurately.  If you want to be fuzzy, use a fuzzy term like "disc image".m  F Or should we ask people to pose their comments in terms of their "VAX" even when they mean "Alpha" ?l   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 11:36:46 -0600i- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e. Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK3 Message-ID: <Gh4qIpo8wfja@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  d In article <d0141774.0209050111.6a567eb6@posting.google.com>, issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) writes:D > Technically yes, but many software packages which offer an imagingE > feature, use the term 'ISO image' liberally, in this case WinImage.-  0 The existence of sloppy PC software is conceded.  D > Interestingly, it took me a little while to find a PC package thatH > would image an ODS disk properly, most packages fail to even recognise > that a disk is in the drive!  = Perhaps those programs _meant_ "ISO image" when they said it.p  B You would be best off to look for software that offers to handle aD "disc image" if you do not want to be restricted to ISO disc images.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 11:40:10 -0600s- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK3 Message-ID: <7cvWobtAfrXK@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  _ In article <3D773A8C.175EDB3F@trailing-edge.com>, Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> writes:   I > Look in the listings for MOUNT, specifically SRCVOL.B32 and STACP.B32. c" > There you see labels of the form >  >   F11V1  for ODS-1 >   F11V2  for ODS-2 >   F11V3  for ISO-9660c >   F11V4  for High Sierra > G > The comments accompanying these labels read "Files-11 presentation ofs* > xxx" and index to the appropriate ACP's. > C > That's not exactly "ISO-9660 is ODS-3", but the pattern indicateso9 > the guy who wrote MOUNT was thinking along those lines.c  E I interpret it differently; as just a list, not trying to incorporatetD standard formats under a DEC naming scheme.  Of course those are theG four ACPs that were implemented for VMS, but not in order the standardse? were developed.  High Sierra is subset predecessor of ISO-9660.n   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 11:45:08 -0600-- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e. Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK3 Message-ID: <nmsECleSUori@eisner.encompasserve.org>1  [ In article <3D76D029.EDBD2B0E@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:, > Tim Shoppa wrote:@  N >> And to be even more pedantic, ISO-9660 is known in the source code listings! >> as "ODS-3" in a few places :-)  > J > ...which makes it even more amazing that ODS-3 is not supported natively# > by the file primitives or by RMS.   C So far as I can see it is supported by RMS and the file primitives, C but only for read.  The way RMS finds the protection of an ISO-9660  file, for instance, is via QIO.   A Writing is considerably more difficult, since the ISO-9660 format-A does not lend itself to on-the-fly modifications used by RMS whenRA writing.  Even contemplating a software program to allow multipleyC simultaneous writers to modify an ISO-9660 volume is mind-boggling.f   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 11:47:08 -0600r- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n. Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK3 Message-ID: <muK4gZ$iRl0W@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3D76D0B8.1455C781@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:u > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> ug >> In article <8327b166.0209041541.4708febc@posting.google.com>, tshoppa@wmata.com (Tim Shoppa) writes:e  P >> > And to be even more pedantic, ISO-9660 is known in the source code listings# >> > as "ODS-3" in a few places :-)  >> oK >> I would be interested in a citation of such locations, since I have read37 >> the F11CD listings and do not recall any such usage.j > % > Might SEARCH be of some assistance?   J My intention was to let the search be done by the advocate (which he has).B Among other things, that reduces the chance of a lazy searcher :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:04:49 +0100h5 From: Peter Watkinson <peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com>S Subject: CUO UKi? Message-ID: <1RGd9.4561$0r3.49579@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>   
  HI folks,  J I've joind the Compaq User Group for the UK via the compqusers.org websiteG do they now send me my membership number via email or post? I'd like tos get my Hobbiest edition of VMS!n   cheers,    Peter Watkinson  peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:13:31 GMT-5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>,' Subject: Re: DECW$CALENDAR file format.m2 Message-ID: <vwKd9.23$Ls7.454677@news.cpqcorp.net>  1 File a bug report as a request for functionality.g  L Frankly, I don't think anyone here really cares if someone wants to know the' file layout.  I'll talk to you offline.     = JF Mezei wrote in message <3D76AAFC.7CB297F9@videotron.ca>...h >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:iI >> Feel free to file a request for documentation on the format.  I looked J >> around briefly, and aside from the code itself, I can't find the designD >> documents (they are so old - like 1986 or so - I believe they are archived >> on tape). >w >rK >Speaking unofficially, and with your employer's hat off, do you feel it is. a 5 >reasonable request ? Or is it likely to be refused ?2 >:K >And if so, how does one go about filing a request for the documentation ony thee: >format of the file generate by the calendar application ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:05:12 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>e' Subject: Re: DECW$CALENDAR file format.l$ Message-ID: <3d778f26$1@news.si.com>   >Same applies to cardfiler.l  0 There, however, one can find a tool.  RCARD fromC ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/rcard.zip is a VT-basedtJ cardfiler reader.  From it, one might be able to develop a writer as well. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:12:50 GMTD5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>e< Subject: Re: DECwindows X11 display server: creating visuals2 Message-ID: <SvKd9.22$lt7.466027@news.cpqcorp.net>  K Sounds like a TGA2 (the 12 bit is a clue).  What visuals are supported is a1H function of the server DDX.  You can use any/all of the visuals that areG supported on the screen.  Some of these (like 1bit) are actually pixmapiA formats.  The TGA2 as well as some of the 3D adapters can supportD; simultanious use of different visual types and even depths.g  L What you were doing was probably right, but there are little gotcha's (well,K things that don't jump out at you) if I remember correctly.  So if you were,L trying to create a 24-bit window when the default is set to 8-bit, you wouldJ find the right visual - and  use it.  But pay special attention to all the: nit-picking parameters - like background/border pixel etc.  I I'll see if I can hunt down some code that opens a 24-bit window when the. default is 8-bit.o    ? Brass Christof wrote in message <3D7669A0.E1D2C675@spam.not>...h	 >Hi folksy >oF >Is it possible to create visuals after the server has been started orH >define e.g. in one of the startup DCL procedures what visuals it has toE >create? My DECwindows X11 display server for OpenVMS AXP V7.1-001212aE >reports several visuals which either use a depth of 8 or 24. OTOH it9: >reports that it supports six depths: 1, 4, 8, 12, 24, 32. >mG >Since I didn't find a way to use one of the other depths besides 8 and H >24 I thought there should be a way to create a visual of a certain typeC >with one of the supported other depths. Or is there a way to use aoH >certain visual with a different depth than that of the visual? I wasn'tH >able to create a window by XCreateWindow from the Xlib which combined aI >certain visual id and a different depth than the one associated with the  >supplied visual.e >2G >Since I'm not an expert in X11 programming I might lack some basics ofhI >understanding. I would appreciate to get some pointers to documentation.iE >I already have read a lot of documentation about how the X11 display F >server should work but I didn't find anything about creating visuals. >p >Many Thanks >y	 >ChristofK   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:12:45 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r" Subject: definition of SYS$SYSROOT; Message-ID: <01KM55CPIOZG9QUS7H@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  E At various times, there have been discussions about (system) logical tC names which are search lists, in particular why SYS$SYSROOT is NOT nB defined as SYS$SPECIFIC,SYS$COMMON, but rather as <translation of  SYS$SPECIFIC>,SYS$COMMON.o  . A google search turns up WAY too many threads.  H I think Alan Feldman(?) recently posted a summary of this, but I didn't ) find it with a search (admittedly quick).t  I Can someone point me to a concise summary which has no wrong information 0 and includes historical info?i  G On a (perhaps) related note: since the logicals which use specific and iD common stuff are defined as search lists anyway, why not just leave > VMS$COMMON in the search list, i.e. why have the [.SYSCOMMON] G subdirectory be a link to the VMS$COMMON directory?  Does this perhaps  G go back to a time when SET FILE/ENTER existed but search lists did not?    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 01:23:32 -0700 - From: bobmarlow@postmaster.co.uk (Bob Marlow)-7 Subject: Re: Hardware Question . Alphastation 255 266/4c= Message-ID: <c5d3d5e1.0209050023.3b3087b4@posting.google.com>S  d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEGBFKAA.tom@kednos.com>... > >-----Original Message-----c; > >From: Ed Wensell III [mailto:ewensell3@yahoo.commercial]a* > >Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 7:04 AM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: > >Subject: Re: Hardware Question . Alphastation 255 266/4 > >e > >u > >Francisco Ortega wrote: > >>C > >>    I have a question. This alpha seems to have an scsi-2 drivel >  (2 or 4gb),K > >> and simms memory 72 pinns. I just want to be sure so I can upgrade ther@ > >> disks. What scsi drives can this alpha run and what type of >  cables it's needfC > >> it (how many pins). and how much the max memory that i can put  >  with simms, >>I > >For memory, you can officially get up to 1GB memory (8x128MB). I thinktF > >someone on the NetBSD/Alpha mailing list said they were able to runK > >256MB SIMMs. The memory is 72-pin TRUE PARITY SIMMs and you need to have I > >at least four of them. The original spec called for 70ns 72-pin 33-bitoG > >SIMMs. My AS255 has four 32MB 60ns 36-bit SIMMs which I ordered from-I > >http://www.memory4less.com . There are still many suppliers out there,aI > >and prices fluctuate (still in production?). Check Pricewatch and makeD > >SURE they are TRUE parity.F > >9/ >/ Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002.  H We have an Alpha 255. It had 64M memory, and we upgraded to 320M. We got
 2 quotes:-  / 256M MSP01-BD original dec 1170 pounds sterlingr, 256M MSP01-BD compatible 390 pounds sterling  D We went with the latter, and it was fine. No doubt there are cheaper: prices, but we are tied to a supplier for various reasons.  K This is running VMS 6.2. We have also added an old Magtape deck, an exabytee# and another 2G disk via SCSI rack. c  ? You might be interested to know I could not get TCP/IP to go atoF 100BaseT on this machine, though Decnet was ok. The suggested solutionH was to go to VMS 7.1 and UCX 5.0, but I never took the problem that far. This is with a DE500 card.  E If you adding a rack, beware that the internal bits can take up quitesE a few SCSI ids: We've got 2 internal disks, so with thst, the CD, thehE floppy, and of course, the controller at Id7, we only had 3 Id's lefthJ I'm assuming you only have one SCSI controller. I have the manual for this machine if you're interested.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:33:06 +0100 (MET)v9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a7 Subject: Re: Hardware Question . Alphastation 255 266/4k; Message-ID: <01KM4ZTEI6289QUS7H@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   I > If you adding a rack, beware that the internal bits can take up quite atE > few SCSI ids: We've got 2 internal disks, so with thst, the CD, thepH > floppy, and of course, the controller at Id7, we only had 3 Id's left   I That should be four.  I have such a beast myself in my hobbyist cluster. iD The floppy is not SCSI (at least not on my machine) and comes up as G DVA0:.  Or were there variants with a SCSI floppy?  It has a total of 7 B SCSI devices now: an internal disk and CD (the other internal diskH crashed a while back), 3 external disks in a Storage Works enclosure (BAC 356) and two quite big disks (double-height full-width Seagate 9 GBdC disks) in another enclosure.  Without enclosures with short cabling-D inside, it is difficult to connect 7 devices because of cable-length
 problems.    ------------------------------  . Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:22:44 +0200 (MET DST)& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>4 Subject: Re: IBM did it, Sun did it, why Compaq not?6 Message-ID: <200209050622.IAA22311@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Nic Clews wrote:   >>>tG VERITAS Netbackup is on VMS, and is planned for Itanium, I presume thatdG is the product you implied. However I think that Veritas have (always?)   funded their own work into this. <<<n  D No. I did think about the Veritas file system. The newest example isA Corel. Why did Compaq not pay for WordPerfect as a standard underdD OpenVMS? Why did they not pay for porting other Corel office productC and Corel Draw to OpenVMS? I am happy that there a few ISVs (inclu-sE ding IBM), which do know the power of OpenVMS and do have applicationiA for OpenVMS. I am frusted, if I see ISVs stop support of OpenVMS.S@ But I am not blind. Windoews is a ghost, which fetch all what heB can get. In case of this I did also hear, that application support under Sun is stopped also.   Best regards Rudolf Wingerto   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:08:49 +0200s3 From: Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de>- Subject: ImageMagick freeware2$ Message-ID: <3d771105$1@news.fhg.de>   Hi!a  ^ We are using the freeware package ImageMagick http://www.imagemagick.org on our Alpha-OpenVMS e workstations for converting and displaying images which we get from microscopes. There is a MAKE.COM o_ which is used for building a shared version. The converting software is used from command line.nd Now I got the message that version 3.4.9 will be the last supported version for OpenVMS. I'm asking c all users of this software to send an e-mail to magick-announce@imagemagick.org requesting further . support.  K If anybody has time the developers of ImageMagick are glad to get help, seee* http://www.imagemagick.org/www/help.html .     Regards,   --   **************** * Theo Jakobus * IAFi * Tullastr. 72 * 79108 Freiburg	 * Germanys ****************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:40:39 +0200t' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>n! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewarea* Message-ID: <al78re$n9i$1@news.tudelft.nl>   Theo Jakobus wrote:- > Hi!  > K > We are using the freeware package ImageMagick http://www.imagemagick.org  I > on our Alpha-OpenVMS workstations for converting and displaying images iG > which we get from microscopes. There is a MAKE.COM which is used for iJ > building a shared version. The converting software is used from command  > line.IF > Now I got the message that version 3.4.9 will be the last supported H > version for OpenVMS. I'm asking all users of this software to send an G > e-mail to magick-announce@imagemagick.org requesting further support.gI As reason they give that they do not have access to a VMS system anymore.n > M > If anybody has time the developers of ImageMagick are glad to get help, see , > http://www.imagemagick.org/www/help.html . >   F However, on my question that if the OpenVMS community (I'm one of the J volonteers) comes up with patches these will be included, I got no answer.  G I prefer to keep the VMS-version in the "official" distribution. If notfE I'll keep track of the changes needed and publish them on my web pager% http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/0                      Jouk.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:30:22 +0200o. From: Herbert Stoeri <stoeri@iap.tuwien.ac.at>! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewarel/ Message-ID: <3D77242E.9060908@iap.tuwien.ac.at>o   Theo Jakobus wrote:e > Hi!  > K > We are using the freeware package ImageMagick http://www.imagemagick.org gI > on our Alpha-OpenVMS workstations for converting and displaying images  G > which we get from microscopes. There is a MAKE.COM which is used for sJ > building a shared version. The converting software is used from command  > line. F > Now I got the message that version 3.4.9 will be the last supported H > version for OpenVMS. I'm asking all users of this software to send an G > e-mail to magick-announce@imagemagick.org requesting further support.  > M > If anybody has time the developers of ImageMagick are glad to get help, seeA, > http://www.imagemagick.org/www/help.html . >  > 
 > Regards, >   & 1) The Version must be 5.4.9, I guess.? 2) Where did you get the message, VMS is no longer going to be eH supported? I will be writing a mail, but I want to be sure, this is not 
 only a rumor. I 3) For proper VMS support some work needs to be done already, especially aI in the areas of file handling and wildcarding and of delegates. For lack  0 of time I am unfortunately unable to contribute.   Regardsn   Herbert StoeriD +---------------------------------+--------------------------------+D | Herbert Stoeri                  | Phone: ++43(1)58801/13460      |D | Institut fuer Allgemeine Physik | Fax:   ++43(1)58801/13499      |D | Technische Universitaet Wien    | email: stoeri@iap.tuwien.ac.at |D | Wiedner Hauptstrasse 8-10       |                                |D | A-1040 Wien                     | http://www.iap.tuwien.ac.at/   |D | Austria                         |                                |D +---------------------------------+--------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:59:43 +0100i( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freeware9) Message-ID: <3D77634F.DE6AE79F@127.0.0.1>>   Theo Jakobus wrote:a >  > Hi!  > ` > We are using the freeware package ImageMagick http://www.imagemagick.org on our >Alpha-OpenVMS  H I am also an Imagemagick user both on VAX and Alpha, principally because? using a command line interface you can interlace images, create F composites, and quite other nifty things without going anywhere near aH mouse. You can wedge all of this into DCL command files of course, which9 extends its usefulness far above any pointy clicky thing.e  G If you're doing graphics anywhere near a VMS system, then I suggest youi
 check it out.v   -- s? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot comr   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 10:56:49 -0700e, From: colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive): Subject: Re: Mapping PF1-PF4 in DECwindows or Linux xterm?= Message-ID: <b10654c6.0209050956.6732d1e1@posting.google.com>s  d hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<al6659$pan$1@web1.cup.hp.com>...n > In article <b10654c6.0209041522.7abe11e6@posting.google.com>, colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive) writes:A > :...So terminal emulation, esp. of the PF1-PF4 keys was never a H > :problem.  Windows emulation packages either mapped PF keys across theH > :PC keypad (NumLock, /, *, -), or from the F1 thru F4 keys on a PC 102 > :keyboard.... F > :Well, I just decided to convert entirely to Linux ... Running xterm7 > :(telnet into VMS)... But I don't have any PF keys...z > D >   This is associated with the abilities and configuration of your F >   terminal emulator, and how it maps keys -- and which keys it maps.: >   For some details and assistance with this, please see: > A >     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/decxterm/o >    Bingo. This works.  F I was aware I need to do something with my local emulation package (in: this case xterm on Linux), but wasn't aware of the correctD incantation...  This did the trick (after a bit of a massage in thisC end.)  Thanks, Hoff (if I may call you that without having made anyF formal acquaintance... 8->)t   Chrisc -----  Chris OliveD colive(at)technologEase(dot)comg   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 08:25:37 -0600a From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: MATCHC Instructione3 Message-ID: <ffk8NQb3w5bT@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  0 colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive) wrote in 3  <b10654c6.0209041450.6e6f10f6@posting.google.com>:  >"Stanley Reynolds" <nospam_stanley_reynolds@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<PNpd9.437$2L.74228@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>...h< [Nested attribution lost.  I think it was Chris Olive again]E >> > It wouldn't be terribly hard to view your object "string" in 65k E >> > blocks and iterate those blocks of your "string" over the MATCHCuH >> > instruction <x> number of times for a string of <x> blocks, esp. ifE >> > your match string fits within one block.  You could do it with aaA >> > custom .MACRO more than likely, and just replace your MATCHCaG >> > instruction instances with your custom .MACRO (call it BLKMTCHC or2F >> > something like that.)  R0 holds the address at the end of the 65kG >> > block (or any block size you choose up to 65k). If you don't get aoC >> > match on MATCHC, increment your starting object pointer (usingtK >> > register displacement for example) by R0 on no match, and iterate overVB >> > MATCHC again until you get a match or run out of blocks (or aH >> > sub-block as in the case of the last block short of an even block.)G >> > Could conceivably be done with a custom .MACRO I think... (If yourvJ >> > match string can be larger than 65k, then this would perhaps be a bit >> > of a different story.)  >> > [...]eJ >> Would this work in the case of a string that crossed a block boundary ?  F >Yes.  Say you had a string that was 262,420 bytes long.  262420/65535E >= 4 blocks plus 280 bytes left over or 280 bytes which would cross aiF >logical 65k block boundary.  Your first 4 iterations over MATCHC thenD >would specify 65535 for the source length (3rd operand).  Your lastF >iteration would specify the 280 bytes left over as the source length.  H No.  It would not work.  You need to increment by blocksize-searchsize+1  G For instance, with a 65535 byte block size, a 262420 byte search string ( and a 100 byte search object, you would:  % MATCHC ( 100, objadr, 65535, srcadr )s+ MATCHC ( 100, objadr, 65535, srcadr+65436 ) , MATCHC ( 100, objadr, 65535, srcadr+130872 ), MATCHC ( 100, objadr, 65535, srcadr+196308 )* MATCHC ( 100, objadr, 676, srcadr+261744 )  @ Assuming that I haven't made any arithmetic or fencepost errors.  $ Incrementing by R0 is a non-starter.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 05:42:36 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!s= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0209050442.391fa60c@posting.google.com>H  $ Microsoft reeling from hack attacks   . Patch what you can, worry about what you can't  1 By Paul Hales: Thursday 05 September 2002, 13:08 s  > MICROSOFT REPORTS that hackers are having a field day with itsC software. It seems the harder the company tries to shore up all itstB products, the more the hackers, crackers and whacky-bacciers enjoy' worming their way through the defences.aF Last week the company posted an advisory here warning of an "increasedA level of hacking activity" that it had been tracking. The hackingtD attempts show similar symptoms and "behaviors", the company said andB affect a whole slew of Microsoft operating systems from Windows 98 onwards.  D Microsoft admits to being clueless as to how to stop the attacks andC warns of a "spike" of activity involving back-door trojans slipping 0 errant files onto PCs connected to the Internet.  F The company has also released details of a Certificate Validation Flaw- that could enable identity spoofing, it says.a  E The alert carries the maximum severity rating, Critical and affects ah? similarly long list of Microsoft operating system products. The B company has released patches for Windows 2000 and Windows XP whichE administrators should install immediately, it says. You'll find thoseH here.v  > The company is still working on patches for its other productsC including Windows 98, the INQ preferred Win 98 SE, Windows Me and at? bunch of Mac products including versions of Office for the Mac.   2 The voles are beavering away on those as we write.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:03:26 -0400; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>YA Subject: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!mK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA6C@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   ' The Inquirer article Bob cites is here:   ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5281  > It cites an alert from the Microsoft Product Support Services " Security team that is posted here:  ? http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q328691M  ) And yes, in so many words, they do admit S  8 1) that they have no clue as to how it's being done; andA 2) there's almost no way to know if your system is safe once it'se    been hacked.s  C HP should take out full-page ads and reprint the Microsoft advisory3C verbatim with the "Prevention" and "Recovery" sections highlighted.:   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----1 From: "Bob Ceculski" [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]t* Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 8:42 AM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" = Subject: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!l    # Microsoft reeling from hack attacksm  . Patch what you can, worry about what you can't  0 By Paul Hales: Thursday 05 September 2002, 13:08  > MICROSOFT REPORTS that hackers are having a field day with itsC software. It seems the harder the company tries to shore up all itstB products, the more the hackers, crackers and whacky-bacciers enjoy' worming their way through the defences.oF Last week the company posted an advisory here warning of an "increasedA level of hacking activity" that it had been tracking. The hackingiD attempts show similar symptoms and "behaviors", the company said andB affect a whole slew of Microsoft operating systems from Windows 98 onwards.  D Microsoft admits to being clueless as to how to stop the attacks andC warns of a "spike" of activity involving back-door trojans slippingh0 errant files onto PCs connected to the Internet.  F The company has also released details of a Certificate Validation Flaw- that could enable identity spoofing, it says.e  E The alert carries the maximum severity rating, Critical and affects a ? similarly long list of Microsoft operating system products. TheSB company has released patches for Windows 2000 and Windows XP whichE administrators should install immediately, it says. You'll find thosed here.2  > The company is still working on patches for its other productsC including Windows 98, the INQ preferred Win 98 SE, Windows Me and ah? bunch of Mac products including versions of Office for the Mac.   2 The voles are beavering away on those as we write.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:55:15 GMTt' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> & Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.1 burner of CPU, Message-ID: <3D7729EB.2020908@theblakes.com>   Keith A. Lewis wrote:   : >I'm running Mozilla 1.1a on a PWS 500au (LOCAL transport) > I Reminder: that's 1.1 alpha. After that came 1.1 beta and then 1.1 final. d- So its time to upgrade when you get a chance.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:52:48 GMTh' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>nB Subject: Re: netscape/modzilla/HP/open-source: system requirements, Message-ID: <3D772957.6080303@theblakes.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:n  , >CSWB adds encryption and such to Mozilla,   >e0 Correction. Mozilla has full 128-bit encryption.  J CSWB = Mozilla + branding + support. There is no additional functionality.   Colin.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 06:16:13 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>hB Subject: Re: netscape/modzilla/HP/open-source: system requirements, Message-ID: <3D772EE9.B909C25C@videotron.ca>   Colin Blake wrote:L > CSWB = Mozilla + branding + support. There is no additional functionality.    Won't CSWB be renamed to HPSWB ?  J If it applies only to Digital products (aka: VMS), why not brtand it DSWB    Or better yet, VMS-Mozilla ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:11:42 GMTa' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>rB Subject: Re: netscape/modzilla/HP/open-source: system requirements, Message-ID: <3D7749E1.1090607@theblakes.com>   JF Mezei wrote:e  ! >Won't CSWB be renamed to HPSWB ?  >hK >If it applies only to Digital products (aka: VMS), why not brtand it DSWB c >b >Or better yet, VMS-Mozilla ?s > 1 Maybe its time for a "name that product" game :-)p   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:27:20 -04005 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>s Subject: Re: Please Sum it up.* Message-ID: <al7m3u$d1r$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Vivek,  H If you would like to send me mail, I would be happy to send our strategyJ presentation and if you need a person to discuss this in person please let me know.  
 Sue Skonetskit susan.skonetski@hp.com  . "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com> wrote in message) news:un8shnfoe1fa46@corp.supernews.com...  > OpenVMS future trends... >dG > Could somebody who is touch with the market/industry and the "new HP"n plans / > please sum up:  What is the future of OpenVMS  >c > for the next 5 years.  >w > Thanks > VivekM >n >o >v   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 07:05:53 -0700 . From: steve.cage@lombardodier.com (Steve Cage)' Subject: Re: Remote Site Cluster MemberI< Message-ID: <f3316682.0209050605.48244ef@posting.google.com>  v keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote in message news:<cf15391e.0209030723.6862408c@posting.google.com>...u > steve.cage@lombardodier.com (Steve Cage) wrote in message news:<f3316682.0209020704.4aedc6a1@posting.google.com>...@F > > We currently have two Compaq DS20E's which are clustered utilizingH > > twin shared SCSI buses and a Quorum disk. Expected Votes is set to 3' > > with each node contributing 1 vote.  > A > You'll have to decide how you want to set the votes for all the G > systems.  Since it is intended that the remote site could continue onhC > its own in the event of a failure of the main site, I'd recommendpH > setting things up with equal votes for each of the two sites, and thenC > either planning to take manual action with DECamds / AvailabilityyD > Manager's "quorum fix" capability to allow one of the two sites toG > continue in the event of a site outage or an inter-site link failure,*H > or else put a system with a tie-breaking vote at a separate 3rd site. C > Various possible vote schemes for disaster-tolerant clusters, and0H > their pros and cons, are covered in my DECUS seminar on 'VMS Clusters:= > Advanced Concepts' at http://www.geocities.com/keithparris/t > K > > The system disk is shared and shadowed utilizing the shared SCSI buses.g > F > Because your inter-site interconnect is LAN-based, the system at theC > remote site will eventually need its own system disk (rather thansE > continuing to boot as a satellite node), so that it can continue tos! > run if you lose the first site.d > G > > This weekend we are going to add another DS20E to the cluster whichtF > > will have its disk drives (same capacity)  located in its internalE > > drive cage. This machine will be located at our Disaster RecoverysD > > site, which is approx 1 mile away and connected via a 100MB Full. > > Duplex Ethernet connection (Colt Lanlink). > > I > > 	For the test we will use cluster_config.com to create a new root ona? > > the shared system disk and add the new node to the cluster.i7 > > 	Boot the new node into the cluster over Ethernet.eH > > 	Add a disk on the new DS20E to the System Disk Shadow Set. Then weC > > should be able to boot the new machine of the local hard drive.e > E > While the sequence of events you have described up to this point iseH > fine, in practice you won't be able to boot from this remote disk as aG > member of the system disk shadowset.  This is because once the remotetH > DS20E shuts down, its copy of the system disk will become inaccessibleF > and be removed from the shadowset by the systems at the first site. D > When it tries to reboot, when it gets far enough along in the bootF > sequence to join the cluster and discovers that it has booted from aH > copy of the system disk that is out-of-date and not currently a memberF > of the shadowset that is already mounted in the cluster, it gives upG > with a Shadowing Detected Inonsistent State bugcheck.  (Maybe, if VMS4B > were smart enough, at some point, perhaps where it re-mounts theE > system disk as read/write, to instead mount the shadowset using themF > MSCP-served up-to-date member(s), it might be able to continue.  But > it doesn't do that now.) > F > To be able to boot from the local disk, the local disk would need toE > be kept as a member of the shadowset across a reboot.  If it were adF > disk on Fibre Channel, and you had an inter-site Fibre Channel link,A > then the remote copy of the disk could be kept as an up-to-daterH > shadowset member across a reboot of the remote node.  (Although it canG > be done, I actually don't currently recommend that people really boot C > from a common FC system disk across sites, since I see the system G > disk's contents as a potential single point of failure for both sites- > in that case.) > B > In your case, what I would do is rather than a shadow copy, do aH > BACKUP/IMAGE operation to the local disk, but then change the label on< > the disk and reboot from it as an independent system disk. > A > Because you will have two system disks, you'll want to create a-G > separate shadowset and put all the cluster-common stuff on that, likeiH > SYSUAF, RIGHTSLIST, job controller queue file, etc. and define logicalG > names to point to those files.  I typically mount this cluster-common- > shadowset in SYLOGICALS.COM. > 4 > > 	Remove the Quorum disk with cluster_config.com1 > > 	Shadow remaining data disks to remote site.s >  > This is fine.A > J > > The whole point of adding the third member is to keep a real time copyJ > > of data on a running system at a remote site in case disaster strikes. > B > Very common strategy these days, and easy to accomplish with VMS > Clusters.o > I > > My main question is how could we adjust expected_votes at remote sitetG > > if we lost main site and had to run on a single node (assuming linkoI > > was shutdown to avoid partitioning the cluster). I have tried this ina9 > > the past and the single node just dies when you boot.a > D > When the opposite site dies (or the inter-site link fails), if youD > have set the two sites up with equal votes, then the systems pauseG > (with all processes in RWCAP state, waiting for the Quorum capability:A > bit).  While in this state, it is possible to manually tell the:6 > system(s) at one site to regain quorum and continue. > H > While the console IPL 12 (interrupt priority level "C" in hexadecimal)F > software interrupt routine can (in theory) be used to adjust quorum,E > since that doesn't work reliably on SMP systems due to some timers,.F > it's seldom actually used in practice for disaster-tolerant clustersF > anymore -- folks use DECamds or Availability Manager, select a node,E > and use the quorum adjustment option under the "Fix" pull-down menuc- > item to adjust quorum quickly and reliably.C > C > If for some reason you choose to reboot the system(s) at one sitenH > instead of dynamically recovering quorum, you can use a conversational? > bootstrap and at the SYSBOOT> prompt, set EXPECTED_VOTES to atG > low-enough value to allow you to boot that site's system(s) alone.  IyH > also recommend that you SET WRITESYSPARAMS 0 just before you CONTINUE,C > so that this temporary parameter change doesn't become permanent. 0 > ----------------------------------------------0 > Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org    # Thanks to everyone for their input.r  A After speaking to HP/Compaq and reading all your comments we haveaF decided to implementa dual system disk strategy with the common system! files located on a shadowed disk..  
 Steve Cage   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:35:11 +0100 (MET)-9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>g' Subject: Re: Remote Site Cluster Member ; Message-ID: <01KM5BOPGIDE9QUS7H@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o  C > After speaking to HP/Compaq and reading all your comments we have0H > decided to implementa dual system disk strategy with the common system$ > files located on a shadowed disk.   I Presumably, the last-mentioned shadowed disk (or physical members of it) o< will be connected directly (i.e. non-MSCP) to both machines.  H I think that for many folks, this is the best setup.  By "common system A files" I assume you mean "common system files which are normally <8 modified" such as SYSUAF.DAT and so on (see the list in ! SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE).e  H The SYS$SPECIFIC/SYS$COMMON structure (i.e. multiple roots) is handy a) I for satellites and b) for system disks on different machines, whether or OD not they are in the same cluster, which should be "more or less the F same".  In other words, in your setup above (assuming no satellites), G you could have two roots, i.e. SYS$SPECIFIC areas.  Of course, on each  H machine only one would ever be used.  The advantage of this is that you H just need to upgrade 1 system disk.  You can then copy it for the other C system.  With the separate roots, it should "just work".  That is,  G upgrade one of the physical disks in the shadow set on machine 1, then AG after the shadow copy is made swap a member of each shadow set between tF the two systems and make shadow copies again (making sure, of course, I that the upgraded disk is the source and the old disk the target).  That  C way, you just have to "maintain" (i.e. install new software, apply 5H patches etc) to one of these disks.  With two separate system disks, it H might not be worth the effort, but the more you have, the more it makes  sense.  F With this arrangement, SYS$SPECIFIC is specific to one machine, while E SYS$COMMON has stuff which is not only common to all machines in the oI cluster, but (at least to a large degree) between all clusters (your own nG or, indeed, everybody's).  These are of course both on the system disk. I LOGICALLY in-between are files which should be the same across a cluster AI (SYSUAF.DAT etc), but which are usually quite different across different cF clusters.  They are logically between SYS$SPECIFIC and SYS$COMMON (if ; one thinks of the latter as "node-independent stuff", i.e. eE SYS$SYSTEM:*.EXE etc) but on the other hand the system disk is a bad rH place for them: you want separate system disks for redundancy, but want  these files to remain in sync.  A If these files are VERY static, then you wouldn't need them on a cE separate disk, since the system disks would stay in synch due to the .C shadow-copies mentioned above (performed after VMS upgrades, patch uE installation etc).  However, in most cases these are probably "live" rG files and thus need to be on a separate disk which is available to all iF machines in the cluster even if not all are in the cluster at a given  time.r  G WARNING: I'm not sure if (the current version of) TCP/IP services uses h8 SYS$SPECIFIC and SYS$COMMON in the way one would expect.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 09:50:32 -0700t1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)s' Subject: Re: Remote Site Cluster Memberh= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0209050850.4b61a400@posting.google.com>s  < For the benefit of anyone who is thinking about using remote= shadowsets in a multi-site cluster for data protection, using ; StorageWorks DRM for the same purpose, or setting up a fulloD disaster-tolerant cluster (using either VMS or Unix), I should pointD out that HPQ offers a service to help folks do that, called Disaster  Tolerant Cluster Services -- see= http://www.compaq.com/services/bcs/bcs_tolerant.html for morea information.  F DTCS replaced the earlier Multi-Datacenter Facility (MDF) and Business  Recovery Server (BRS) offerings.. ----------------------------------------------. Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:20:52 +02008) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl>n' Subject: Re: Remote Site Cluster Members* Message-ID: <al83pl$beo$1@news1.xs4all.nl>   Phillip Helbig wrote:   0      [ Discussion about cluster configurations ]  I > WARNING: I'm not sure if (the current version of) TCP/IP services uses b: > SYS$SPECIFIC and SYS$COMMON in the way one would expect.  A Well, I *AM SURE* TCP/IP services does *NOT* use SYS$SPECIFIC or 8H SYS$COMMON the way I *EXPECT* an OpenVMS product to behave in a cluster.  C If only you have a look at the UAF entries that are used by TCP/IP rI services. Some of them have a home directory on SYS$SYSDEVICE, others on r= SYS$SPECIFIC. My attempts to change that to a proper cluster 3 configuration have failed.  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:04:19 +0100 (MET)s9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 1 Subject: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)a; Message-ID: <01KM59B9G7XU9QUS7H@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  H Suppose I have a large amount of files [...]*.* to which I want to make E sure that for, say, World, Read privilege is granted.  However, some dH will already have, say, W:RE or W:E while others will have just W:.  Is I there a simple way to ADD the R priv?  Just specifying W:R will override rC what is already there, which is not what I want.  (I think this is  C something like chmod o+r in unix.)  Is this REALLY an area where a  ; feature one really needs is present in unix and not in VMS?e  C While I'm on the topic, why isn't there F$PROTECTION to return the e protection mask on an object?k   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:55:17 +0200, From: "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net>5 Subject: Re: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION) 6 Message-ID: <al7no3$1nhht6$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>  L "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag5 news:01KM59B9G7XU9QUS7H@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...tD > While I'm on the topic, why isn't there F$PROTECTION to return the > protection mask on an object?t  A Does F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES (filename,"PRO") not the things you want ?    R.Giese    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:04:02 +0100 (MET)n9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e5 Subject: Re: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)l; Message-ID: <01KM5BGDDTN09QUS7H@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   F > > While I'm on the topic, why isn't there F$PROTECTION to return the! > > protection mask on an object?o > C > Does F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES (filename,"PRO") not the things you want ?t  ' Yes, of course, forgot about that.  :-(   H Pursuing the analogy with F$PRIVILEGE, is there a need for a lexical to ( change the (protection) file attributes?   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 05 Sep 02 08:57:29 GMT- From: jmfbahciv@aol.comeJ Subject: Re: Sick of the trolls, whiners, and non-customers in this forum?+ Message-ID: <al7ags$5pc$1@bob.news.rcn.net>2  ' In article <3D76C833.8DC50EDE@fsi.net>,s5    "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:O >Alan Greig wrote: <snip>  I >> Had first Digital , then Compaq and perhaps HP helped me every step ofmH >> the way to push VMS but it failed in the marketplace, I would feel noH >> animosity But instead I've spent the last decade fighting them tryingI >> to push me towards Unix then Windows. Yes, there are the advocates whoeG >> *do* help but, unless you are in a particular specialist applicationWG >> area, that's just not good enough to fight their employers corporatel >> momentum. >> .D >> This is perhaps the real reason Capellas would like to see VMS goH >> away. He knows that the constant complaints will never go away unlessG >> VMS goes into strong growth mode. He doesn't plan for this I'm sure.j$ >> Now the problem is over to Carly. >:I >That's the part that my little peanut-brain finds so difficult to grasp. D >Here's this product that churns out bux at a good pace, all factorsD >considered (cost vs. margin and all that). Under what circumstancesD >would you *NOT* want to promote the living (Censored) out of it??!!  @ Digital did the exact same thing with the PDP-10s.  Note that a > lot of the sales generated by the 10s didn't get attributed to@ the 10 product line on the books because that revenue "belonged" to the mini product lines.    B Another thing that nobody seemed to understand is that the kiddiesC at the universities who were using TOPS-10 or TOPS-20 would somedayMA be the same people who signed purchase orders.  (People do prefer < buying the stuff they're familiar with and know how to use.)   <snip>  5 >Why does VMS Mgt. consistently choose either B or C?r > / >Please, Please, Please, someone TELL ME WHY!!!   A It's the corporate folklore.  Note that one of Digital's problems.> was that hardware engineers didn't place as much importance on> software as they did on hardware.  It's a juggling act of what= to fund.  Hardware people wanted all the funding and softwarekB people needed funding to write the support code for that hardware.  G VMS was very, very expensive software w.r.t. head count.  For instance,d= for 5 or 6 years, TOPS-10 monitor had a grand total of 3-1/2 yA programmers funded.  During that same time, TOPS-20 had 12. (Note > that I'm not talking about language development, only monitor @ development.)  Around the same time, I'd heard that VMS had 200.  > I don't know how I'd manage that mess; managing 3 or 12 people was more than a full time job.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:42:50 GMTm4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: simh is back up.d0 Message-ID: <3D7779F1.EE1D2826@blueyonder.co.uk>   WarlockD wrote:d > ) > Can you install VMS on a MicroVAX 3900?h > M > Thats the current emulation that is going on simh.  What can you install ifd > you can't?   Warlock,  F I installed VMS 7.2 on the latest Simh (running on linux, having grief5 getting mingw and gcc on Windows working) this week.     You CAN do it.  J However, both the Simh and ts10 docs seem pretty thin on the ground. I wasR lucky to find a posting from earlier in the year in comp.os.vms that got me going.: Try googling and looking for threads with simh from april.   eg   http://groups.google.com/groups?q=simh&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=E1F73441CC409FD2.D7B3B18795A42B54.50D65134C752B46F%40lp.airnews.net&rnum=10  O FWIW, I could not connect direct to the CD, so I put the OpenVMS VAX 7.2 in thea= cdrom on the linux box and copied it to an image file on diske   # cp /dev/cdrom1 vms72  N (no need to even mount the CD! good news as vmscd won't play fair on Mandrake)  ! and managed to install from that./  b FWIW, my vax.ini file looks like this (I copied ka655.bin to my working directory for some reason)   $ more vax.ini set cpu 64Mr load -r ka655.binn set rq0 ra82 attach rq0 vaxsys.dsk 
 set rq1 cdromi attach -r rq1 /home/tim/vms72e boot cpu  : The proceed as if you are installing VMS from the console,  
 >>> B dua1   to boot standalone backup   . $ backup dua1:vms072.b/save/image/verify dua0:   etco   Hope this helps.  O Now, if only I could get ts10 configured I want to build a cluster of simulatedl# VAXen (no network support in Simh).e   Regards,   -- a tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk s  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:44:29 GMTi4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: simh is back up.e0 Message-ID: <3D777A54.BB4C38D4@blueyonder.co.uk>   Stanley Reynolds wrote:d >  > > Can this run VMS 7.2?eK > > "Stanley Reynolds" <nospam_stanley_reynolds@yahoo.com> wrote in messageo; > > news:pSxd9.400$%P6.18738@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...yM > > Sorry I didn't understand your question the yes was for a real 3900. Looko > at > > netbsd/vax ats0 > > www.netbsd.org/Ports/vax/emulator-howto.html > J > It maybe only legal if you run it on a vax or alpha not sure the licenseM > covers intel. But why not pick up a 3100 on ebay microvax or vaxstation and J > use your intel for a terminal that will run faster and only set you back4 > about $50 usd, $20 for the 3100 $30  for shipping.  I The Hobbyist licence registration has an explicit setting for Simh users.n   -- u tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk s  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 10:15:58 -0700o' From: mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka)o2 Subject: SINIX (a Siemans-Nixdorf variant of Unix)< Message-ID: <6b70c71c.0209050915.e3ff9f3@posting.google.com>  ; Yes...there is no flavor of Unix appropriate for discussionw= here...but only if you believe that others know only what youk< know and could care less about obscure topics like SINIX :-)  @ Fished a Siemans-Nixdorf RM200 out of a 40 cu. yd. dumpster down? here in the financial district in lower Manhattan.  It can bootcD from a server or has a stand-alone shell ("sash", no less!).  <help>A at the prompt gives a list of commands...so far unintelligible torB me (only had it up for 10 min. or so -- working out of the back of> my pick-up and tapped into a power outlet that wasn't mine :-)  C A Google search shows a number of German language sites related to  A the os -- to bad those folks just never learnt to use the Englisho$ language to its fullest capacity :-)  C Anyone with a pointer to an English-language manual for SINEX.  I'ms@ presuming I can find some generalized beginner Unix books at theE library or net-info that'll get me started on some exploration of thee box.    G   Mark (a _great_ birthday party, eh?  And fireworks over Baghdad too?)l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:30:38 GMT 4 From: "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@Compaq.Com>A Subject: Re: Size of I/O count fields in SHOW PROC and SHOW SYS ? 2 Message-ID: <O7Id9.12$Gk7.238732@news.cpqcorp.net>  I I see.  I was wondering which fields in the DECamds application exhibitede this behavior.   Barryf  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D76C2F6.A36DDE25@fsi.net...e > Barry Kierstein wrote: > > E > > Which fields are you refering to?  I'd like to check into this...  > >t$ > > Barry Kierstein, AM/DECamds team( > > ===================================== > > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagec+ > > news:878z2qde1o.fsf@prep.synonet.com...a9 > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e > > >tL > > > > Interesting question. I would expect it to just quietly overflow andI > > > > roll back around to zero like DCL does in the following, but thats" > > > > may be a brash assumption: > > > E > > > Or, as the AMDS NISCS stuff does, go negative then wrap around.t >s< > I think the behavior Paul cites can be illustrated in DCL: >s# > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ a = %x7fffffff" > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ sh sym ai8 >   A = 2147483647   Hex = 7FFFFFFF  Octal = 17777777777 > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ a = a + 1 > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ sh sym a 9 >   A = -2147483648   Hex = 80000000  Octal = 20000000000t > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ a = a + 1 > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ sh sym ai9 >   A = -2147483647   Hex = 80000001  Octal = 20000000001n# > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ a = %xffffffffn > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ sh sym ac0 >   A = -1   Hex = FFFFFFFF  Octal = 377777777771 > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$fao( "!UL !SL", a, a )a > 4294967295 -1r > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ a = a + 11 > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$fao( "!UL !SL", a, a )m > 0 0  > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ sh sym au/ >   A = 0   Hex = 00000000  Octal = 00000000000s >l9 > DCL deals in longwords, treated as signed "by default".s >e > -- > David J. Dachteraa > dba DJE Systemsr > http://www.djesys.com/ >p* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:37:22 +0200% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>n Subject: SOAP Toolkith% Message-ID: <3d7709b3$1@news.post.ch>    Hello,  , I tried to get the SOAP toolkit for VMS from  A http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/soap/soap.htmle  K I registered and was promised, that a download url will be sent to me soon,d but nothing happens.  " Did somebody actually get the KIT?   regards-   Jakob5   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:51:12 GMTa# From: NetBoot <netboot@netboot.com>v+ Subject: VaxStation 4000/60 need hard drives5 Message-ID: <MPG.17e146b1de232a2a98970c@news.ptd.net>a  9 What hard drive do I need?  Are these drives proprietary?(   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:05:55 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>m/ Subject: RE: VaxStation 4000/60 need hard drives9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEOKFKAA.tom@kednos.com>r  > Almost any scsi will work.  50 or 68 pin, the latter requiring% an adapter to 50 pin (cost about $12)e   >-----Original Message----- + >From: NetBoot [mailto:netboot@netboot.com] + >Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 8:51 AMf >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, >Subject: VaxStation 4000/60 need hard drive >b >m: >What hard drive do I need?  Are these drives proprietary? >a >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.o; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).n@ >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 >n ---o& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:11:16 +0200+ From: "Luca_B" <balzano-spam-avoid-@iol.it>w/ Subject: Re: VaxStation 4000/60 need hard driver( Message-ID: <al7vjm$17ee$1@half.spin.it>  0 "NetBoot" <netboot@netboot.com> wrote in message/ news:MPG.17e146b1de232a2a98970c@news.ptd.net...s > What hard drive do I need?   scsi   > Are these drives proprietary?s   no   L.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:41:47 GMTa# From: NetBoot <netboot@netboot.com>,/ Subject: RE: VaxStation 4000/60 need hard drive 5 Message-ID: <MPG.17e1609a2e70cfc198970d@news.ptd.net>c  I In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEOKFKAA.tom@kednos.com>, tom@kednos.com s says...n@ > Almost any scsi will work.  50 or 68 pin, the latter requiring' > an adapter to 50 pin (cost about $12)s >  > >-----Original Message-----c- > >From: NetBoot [mailto:netboot@netboot.com]l- > >Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 8:51 AM  > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. > >Subject: VaxStation 4000/60 need hard drive > >t > > < > >What hard drive do I need?  Are these drives proprietary? > >o > >---) > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.m= > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).sB > >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 > >u > ---e( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002e >  >   G Just asking, some systems require a certain scsi drive.  Also, looking  F for the rail or bar to hold it in place.  Anyone have an extra one or  the part number to order it?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:42:17 GMT # From: NetBoot <netboot@netboot.com>F/ Subject: Re: VaxStation 4000/60 need hard drive 5 Message-ID: <MPG.17e160bc9c52171798970e@news.ptd.net>0  D In article <al7vjm$17ee$1@half.spin.it>, balzano-spam-avoid-@iol.it  says...t > 2 > "NetBoot" <netboot@netboot.com> wrote in message1 > news:MPG.17e146b1de232a2a98970c@news.ptd.net...f > > What hard drive do I need? >  > scsi > ! > > Are these drives proprietary?d >  > no >  > L. >  >  >    Is there a size limit?   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 03:29:55 -0700M$ From: siross@talk21.com (Simon Ross) Subject: VMS - where to startk= Message-ID: <ad629aab.0209050229.62d69faf@posting.google.com>t   Hi,wD    I looking for either an online guide top VMS or any good books on2 the subject any help would be greatly appreciated.   Cheers Simon R.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:58:23 GMT-- From: "labadie" <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr>d! Subject: Re: VMS - where to start-2 Message-ID: <zFHd9.10$3k7.227439@news.cpqcorp.net>  1 "Simon Ross" <siross@talk21.com> wrote in messageR7 news:ad629aab.0209050229.62d69faf@posting.google.com...s > Hi,lF >    I looking for either an online guide top VMS or any good books on4 > the subject any help would be greatly appreciated. >s > Cheers Simon R.i   Hellob   Have a look at the Faq5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html    Read the doc" http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000  2 And if you want something more top, have a look at- http://www.pcbooks.co.uk/details.aspx?sn=1661t- particularly  the books from Ruth Goldenberg.c   Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:14:26 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>f! Subject: RE: VMS - where to start T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026609B1@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Simon,  H In addition to the attached pointers, there is one guide (Users Guide) =/ on particular that might be of interest to you-9F http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/731FINAL/6489/6489pro_contents.htmlJ http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/731FINAL/DOCUMENTATION/PDF/OVMS_731_US= ERS.PDFg   Regardsw  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultants Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660h Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----5 From: labadie [mailto:labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr]=20m Sent: September 5, 2002 7:58 AMa To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn! Subject: Re: VMS - where to startn      3 "Simon Ross" <siross@talk21.com> wrote in message =$7 news:ad629aab.0209050229.62d69faf@posting.google.com...k > Hi,-I >    I looking for either an online guide top VMS or any good books on=20R4 > the subject any help would be greatly appreciated. >O > Cheers Simon R.T   HelloI   Have a look at the Faq =5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.htmlE   Read the doc" http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000  4 And if you want something more top, have a look at =/ http://www.pcbooks.co.uk/details.aspx?sn=3D1661$- particularly  the books from Ruth Goldenberg.a   Regards    G=E9rard   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 06:07:53 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)? Subject: VMS DIBOL still tops after 20+ years ... wins e-award!B= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0209050507.77564acf@posting.google.com>S  @ from openvms.org ... VMS DIBOL is still supreme after 20+ years!  C PR: Synergy/DETM customer dabs.com wins 2002 UK Online for BusinessT AwardtF Posted by Kenneth Farmer (Wednesday September 04 2002 @ 03:30PM EDT) [ ]TB SACRAMENTO, CALIF. and BOLTON, UK - The team at dabs.com (Dabs) isC celebrating after scooping the "Best e-Business" title in the NorthhB West region finals of the UK Online for Business e-Commerce AwardsF 2002. They were also highly commended in the same category at NationalD level. With a back-end based completely on Synergy/DE from Synergex,@ this internet retailer of IT and technology products offers overB 34,000 lines from the world's leading manufacturers to over half aD million online customers across the country. Servicing all of the UK> from their state-of-the-art facility in Bolton, Dabs typicallyA processes 5,000 customer orders every day from the 850,000 uniquek( visitors that visit dabs.com each month.A Dabs' Synergy-based Fulcrum application enables the processing ofhD these 5,000+ orders each day. Running on an OpenVMS cluster, FulcrumC automates the entire process from allocating stock once an order is F received, accepting credit card payments, talking to the conveyor belt< system in the warehouse, and tracking the item once shipped.  B "With Synergy/DE powering the back-end of our Web site, we've beenD able to automate almost the entire fulfillment process," states PaulA Martin, IT Supervisor for dabs.com. "As a result, we can handle a @ significantly increased volume of orders, while at the same time# reducing human error and overhead."o  < Now one of the UK's finest dot com success stories, Dabs has@ experienced significant growth in revenue and profitability as aE result of their Web solution. Implementation of the dabs.com Web sitea# has allowed the company to achieve:D  F * Improved Turnover and Profitability - Using technology to streamline@ business processes and thus improve efficiency has significantly: increased profitability. An ability to reach and service aB significantly increased number of customers, without significantlyA increasing investment in sales/support personnel, has undoubtedlye helped improve turnover.  B * Increased Time to Focus on Future Strategy - Using technology toB automate transactions that were previously manually processed, hasF allowed the Dabs team to invest their time in proactive activities andF thorough strategic planning. This helps drive the business forward and propel continual growth.  @ * Dynamism - The dabs.com website is essentially catalogue, shopD window and shelf-space all in one. In the fast moving IT marketplaceD where stock positions and prices change every day, and where productC launches and obsolescences are frequent, the ability to dynamically.F update information by electronically leveraging data on auto-feed fromC suppliers gives a distinct advantage over traditional IT resellers.O  F * Competitive Advantage - The website, which operates in real-time andE is now visited by 850,000 unique visitors each month, allows dabs.com > to deliver new products to a very wide audience in a matter of< minutes, which gives a tremendous competitive advantage over traditional retail competitors.-  D * Scalability - Now migration to an online model is complete and theE business processes well established, the company is able to enjoy thes@ benefits of complete scalability. Dabs' recent 3m investment inA warehouse and logistics systems means the company has capacity to E handle over four times the shipments it does currently. This, coupledaC with the fact that adding entire new product sets to their offering F can be done almost at the push of a button, the opportunity for growth is massive.w  C * Improved Customer Satisfaction - dabs.com's online philosophy hasrB been applied not only to the product ordering process, but also to@ pre- and post- sales support, which helps enhance the customer'sC overall experience when dealing with the company. For example, DabseB launched an online tool that gave customers the ability to arrangeE their own product returns in November 2001. This was further enhanced ? in March 2002 with a facility that allowed customers to specifydD product collection dates and venues that suited their schedule - allC online! Other examples include a searchable database of FAQs, which D empowers the customer to resolve their own queries without having to call during office hours.    About dabs.com and Synergy/DEm  A Originally established in 1990 as Dabs Direct, a traditional mail @ order computer dealer, dabs.com is now the UK's leading internetD retailer of IT and technology products, offering around 34,000 linesB from the world's leading manufacturers to well over half a millionA online customers across the country. Their Fulcrum application is = powered by Synergy/DE, a portable and scalable framework fromf; Synergex. Synergy/DE enables companies like Dabs to deployw< multi-platform, Web-enabled applications that integrate withC e-commerce solutions, ODBC-enabled reporting tools, RDBMSs, ActiveX D components, wireless devices, and other third-party applications and> data. Synergy/DE has a long track record backed by millions ofA end-users worldwide, and a substantial presence in a multitude of5 vertical industries.  ( About Synergex International Corporation  A Synergex, with more than 25 years of experience in cross-platformdD application delivery, specializes in providing integrated enterpriseE solutions for the small- to mid-sized business (SMB) market. Synergex D is focused on transforming middle market businesses so that they canF compete aggressively and successfully in the new digital economy. WithD a long track record backed by millions of end-users worldwide, theirC Synergy/DE development tools provide application development groupstF with a comprehensive cross-platform set of advanced tools that rapidly? create and deploy system-independent, extensible enterprise andeD Internet-enabled solutions. www.synergex.com http://www.synergex.com  C Trademarks: Synergex, Synergy, Synergy Development Environment, anduD Synergy/DE are trademarks of Synergex. All other product and company1 names are trademarks of their respective holders.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:00:03 +0200e9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ( Subject: Re: VMS Printing To CA/Dispatch' Message-ID: <3D7700F3.5AFCAB2D@aaa.com>y  = SNA/RJE can't print directly to a VMS queue, you have to scane9 for files and submit them for printing in some batch job.N  < SNA/PrE can (as the name says) print directly to VMS queues,; but there is a limit on the number of queues at 127 or 128.e  8 Today, I'm pretty sure that the MVS TCPIP subsystem also< supports LPD printing, in which case you don't need anything additional on the VMS side.   @ I would also like to know what was the result from this survey :7 "http://www.openvms.compaq.com/network/ibmsurvey.html".h   Jan-Erik Sderholm         "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > C > IIRC, this required the SNA/PrE (Printer Emulation) product, or a + > printer stream of an SNA/RJE workstation.n >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:33:17 +0200e: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>( Subject: Re: VMS Printing To CA/Dispatch/ Message-ID: <al74p1$t5b3@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>y   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:h? > SNA/RJE can't print directly to a VMS queue, you have to scan ; > for files and submit them for printing in some batch job.C > > > SNA/PrE can (as the name says) print directly to VMS queues,= > but there is a limit on the number of queues at 127 or 128.  > : > Today, I'm pretty sure that the MVS TCPIP subsystem also> > supports LPD printing, in which case you don't need anything > additional on the VMS side.m > B > I would also like to know what was the result from this survey :9 > "http://www.openvms.compaq.com/network/ibmsurvey.html".k >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm >  > 5 MVS TCPIP can print to LPD printers, we are using it.=  > Btw. we use the EXECSMB to present MVS an LPD printer to store= the data as VMS files, because some MVS applications can onlyD3 view or print the data, not store it to datasets...    >  >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > C >>IIRC, this required the SNA/PrE (Printer Emulation) product, or ae+ >>printer stream of an SNA/RJE workstation.  >> >      -- b  - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regardsI   Karl Rohwedder               wC iT-Ingenieurteam     | Ellernbruch 11       | D-38112 Braunschweig dA Telefon: 0531/515521 | Telefax: 0531/515531 | Mobil: 0172/5434843TH  E-Mail: rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de        | iT-IngTeam(at)t-online.de .          karl.rohwedder(at)it-ingenieurteam.de DATEX-P: 4505018005::ROHWEDDER   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:45:00 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ( Subject: Re: VMS Printing To CA/Dispatch' Message-ID: <3D77198C.5544C175@aaa.com>C  8 True, I'v used "printing" from IBM applications (because8 printing is often very easy to do from IBM apps) through= RJE and/or PrE to transfer data from IBM to VMS applications.DB Not by using EXECSYMB, but using polling batch jobs, but anyway...  : Printing doesn't force you to take things like userid's or4 passwords in account, like when using, e.g., FTP :-)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.a   PS.D% EXECSYMB can be found (of course) on w, "http://www.process.com/openvms/index.html". DS.      Karl Rohwedder wrote:e >  > @ > Btw. we use the EXECSMB to present MVS an LPD printer to store? > the data as VMS files, because some MVS applications can onlyc5 > view or print the data, not store it to datasets...  >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 00:35:28 -0700o) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)/- Subject: Weird, but you get that - marketing.a< Message-ID: <55f85d77.0209042335.1996742@posting.google.com>  D My student email service intended for communication between studentsE and teaching staff only (OpenVMS/PMDF) today received an email, which  might be of interest.t  J Of course, I did *not* forward it to our students, no more than I would beJ allowed to send one from Digital/Compaq/HP/SUN/IBM/MICROSLOTH or whatever.  9 It is interesting as SUN is the first to have tried this.h  E No one else, IT (or computing industry related) or otherwise has donec this ...  
 > Hi Patrick,e  hF > Is it possible to arrange this to go out to all students enrolled in > Banking and Finance courses?   Thanks,    Administrative Officer School of Banking and Finance2     & OUT OF THE ORDINARY  - SUN INTERNSHIPS  D It`s the people Sun Microsystems employ that make us such a powerful forcef% in the world of enterprise computing.   G That`s why we`re seeking smart, enterprising and passionate individualse toG come and join us for internships in Accounting, Finance, Marketing, IT,o Lawe and Special Projects.s  F Not for the timid, these internships are hands-on from day one. You`ll beC solving problems, overcoming hurdles and stretching your talents to. theireH limits. It`s your chance to learn the internet from the experts and have funD while you do it.  H Our internship program provides for a phenomenal learning experience and@ incredible opportunities. Rub shoulders with the industry`s most talented@ professionals and help even further revoluntionise the internet. Becausen when it comes to the future,$ we`ve always been ahead of our time.@ For further information visit: www.sun.com.au/employment/student or email: <deleted>h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:00:57 +0100a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>m1 Subject: Re: Weird, but you get that - marketing.t8 Message-ID: <62denu4f4spvq1pl6mpbr6nn3quahqcut8@4ax.com>  A On 5 Sep 2002 00:35:28 -0700, P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)K wrote:  E >My student email service intended for communication between studentsoF >and teaching staff only (OpenVMS/PMDF) today received an email, which >might be of interest. >aK >Of course, I did *not* forward it to our students, no more than I would beSK >allowed to send one from Digital/Compaq/HP/SUN/IBM/MICROSLOTH or whatever.i  C We used to see this sort of thing a lot. Not by email in these daysA? but by good old fashioned snail-mail which was then stuck up oneE department notice boards. If I received such email today (and I stillr; worked in education) I would probably forward a copy to theeB appropriate departmental secretary for them to pin up. Or possiblyE stick on the web. Unless it was them that forwarded it to me in which D case I would arrange for its distribution or tell them how to do it.  : >It is interesting as SUN is the first to have tried this.  F You mean by email to IT support staff? As I said it is/was very commonB by other means. We used to have a number of students work for DEC.A Many practical based courses actually *required* such internship.n  > It certainly doesn't surprise me that companies now email this> information out. Hopefully in addition to the more traditional methods.  F Can you clarify as I'm not clear if the message came to you *from* the> "Administrative Officer, School of Banking and Finance" or wasF addressed to them but reached you? If the former and I received such aF request from such a person I would definitely pass it on as requested.: If the administrative officer for a school can't request aB communication be sent to their students then I don't know who can!  . If the latter then I presume you passed it on.  D I suppose what I am really saying here is that I see nothing unusualF at all in the situation you describe - at least from my two periods ofC working in higher education (early 80s and again throughout most of 	 the 90s).-  7 I recognise each institution will have its own rules...-   >mF >No one else, IT (or computing industry related) or otherwise has done	 >this ...s >- >> Hi Patrick, > G >> Is it possible to arrange this to go out to all students enrolled ing >> Banking and Finance courses?9 >@ >Thanks, >e >Administrative Officerl >School of Banking and Finance >  >M' >OUT OF THE ORDINARY  - SUN INTERNSHIPS  >pE >It`s the people Sun Microsystems employ that make us such a powerfule >force& >in the world of enterprise computing. >iH >That`s why we`re seeking smart, enterprising and passionate individuals >tonH >come and join us for internships in Accounting, Finance, Marketing, IT, >Law >and Special Projects. >rG >Not for the timid, these internships are hands-on from day one. You`ll- >be-D >solving problems, overcoming hurdles and stretching your talents to >theirI >limits. It`s your chance to learn the internet from the experts and haveA >fun >while you do it.6 >BI >Our internship program provides for a phenomenal learning experience andoA >incredible opportunities. Rub shoulders with the industry`s mostt	 >talentedrA >professionals and help even further revoluntionise the internet.p >Because >when it comes to the future,a% >we`ve always been ahead of our time.VA >For further information visit: www.sun.com.au/employment/student  >or email: <deleted>   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:58:39 -0400:& From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>1 Subject: Re: Weird, but you get that - marketing.a4 Message-ID: <HoJd9.91$g54.250100@newsfeed.slurp.net>  @ Don't know if you are talking about the method in which SUN was H advertising their interships or talking about the internships themself. H   If the latter then yes DEC/Digital/Compaq/HP does do them.  We have a  handful of them in the CSC.o   Patrick Young wrote:F > My student email service intended for communication between studentsG > and teaching staff only (OpenVMS/PMDF) today received an email, whicho > might be of interest.t > L > Of course, I did *not* forward it to our students, no more than I would beL > allowed to send one from Digital/Compaq/HP/SUN/IBM/MICROSLOTH or whatever. > ; > It is interesting as SUN is the first to have tried this.- > G > No one else, IT (or computing industry related) or otherwise has donen
 > this ... >  <snipped the rest>   -- DC Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY1I        - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine fanBI        - Mark.Jilson@hp.com                            - since 1975 or sowI        - http://www.jilly.baka.com           - http://www.brettbodine.coma   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 09:40:56 -0700O. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)1 Subject: Re: Weird, but you get that - marketing.h= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0209050840.5189c850@posting.google.com>m  m P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) wrote in message news:<55f85d77.0209042335.1996742@posting.google.com>...dF > My student email service intended for communication between studentsG > and teaching staff only (OpenVMS/PMDF) today received an email, which  > might be of interest.f > L > Of course, I did *not* forward it to our students, no more than I would beL > allowed to send one from Digital/Compaq/HP/SUN/IBM/MICROSLOTH or whatever. > ; > It is interesting as SUN is the first to have tried this.  > G > No one else, IT (or computing industry related) or otherwise has donec
 > this ... >  > > Hi Patrick,a >  yH > > Is it possible to arrange this to go out to all students enrolled in  > > Banking and Finance courses? > 	 > Thanks,c >  > Administrative Officer > School of Banking and Financet >    > ( > OUT OF THE ORDINARY  - SUN INTERNSHIPS > F > It`s the people Sun Microsystems employ that make us such a powerful > forceu' > in the world of enterprise computing.e > I > That`s why we`re seeking smart, enterprising and passionate individualsl > toI > come and join us for internships in Accounting, Finance, Marketing, IT,h > Lawr > and Special Projects.     = Wow! Backwards apostrophe disease! First case I've ever seen.e     [...]n     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmans spamsink2001 at yahoo dot comn   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 06:05:33 GMTh* From: "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net>2 Subject: Whew!  Why arn't there any simh binaries?? Message-ID: <NuCd9.157376$_91.212236@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>f  J I spent the last hour tweaking .NET to compile this thing.  It wasn't that& hard, still learning .NET, but still:P  6 The VAX emulation is nice, was able to get NetBSD up:)   Would anyone want it posted?   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 05:01:26 -0700 - From: bobmarlow@postmaster.co.uk (Bob Marlow)aJ Subject: Re: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP)= Message-ID: <c5d3d5e1.0209050401.1dc2acca@posting.google.com>h  } "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii5@Julian5Locals.com> wrote in message news:<aFBd9.8528$LI2.565066@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...s > JF Mezei wrote:n > J > > HP may not care about what the many outside the circle of the few veryN > > large and important customers think. HP may be focused only on keeping the< > > remaining VMS large customers who generate the profits.  > - > Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten?n  # No.of Vaxes or money? In any case:-eD BP and Shell were very heavy users, though I don't know the figures.A BAE Systems (Uk) would be big, I think, as they took what was GECo Other oil/defence companies?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:30:03 -0400e From: G Everhart <ge@gce.com>rI Subject: Re: XFC V2.0 and VDDRIVER (was: RE: XFC v2 ECO, negative report)n& Message-ID: <3D775C5B.2080300@gce.com>  R Hoff's report about an incorrect interaction of vddriver with XFC is approximately right.  T The problem is that vddriver_64.mar was missing an .iff and did a reqcom not holding$ the FORK lock (NOT the device lock).D This can be very simply corrected if you edit vddriver_64.mar in the VD_FIXSPLIT: routinet   Look for the lines' ;if FIPLS$ not defined, just fork here.u ; R5 is ucb, r4 is ucb, r3=irp 	forks 	movl	r4,r5m 	.endc	;fipls$  
 and change tob   	.iffn  ' ;if FIPLS$ not defined, just fork here.  ; R5 is ucb, r4 is ucb, r3=irp 	forks 	movl	r4,r5d 	.endc	;fipls$    	 Recompilep ($macro/migr vddriver_64)v  
 and relink  0 $link/native/bpage=14/section/notrace/nodemand -<   /share=vddriver/sysexe=select/nosysshr vddriver_64.opt/opt  
 and use that.   O I sent vdd64 with updates to Hunter Goatley who had them on at least one of hisfC servers yesterday morning and probably has it on all of them today.a (see5 http://www.process.com/fileserv-software-updates.htmlm
 for pointers)s    J The new vdd64.zip has a second version of the driver, named vddriver64.marC instead of vddriver_64.mar, which may be used in VMS 7.2 and later.mF It uses a new feature that permits a layered driver to avoid having toG go to IPL 4 to post an IRP for its intermediate action. This provides anG small but noticeable speedup and I am using it on my systems with 30 ornD so VD units in 7.3 with nary a hitch. It has not been run for nearly( as long as the original vddriver though.    H Note again: the .iff got dropped by mistake in an edit somewhere of thisE source. Vax versions of vddriver fork correctly and I believe not alloB alpha versions are affected. Just check yours, or get the new one.  I Both vddriver versions use the same asnvd image. If you have 7.2 or laters5 use either. IF you have VMS 7.1, use vddriver_64.mar.a  K (It has been suggested that a forklock call instead of a fork call could beoJ used here with less overhead...though still more than if you use the newerK vddriver64.mar... While this is true, the fork macro does ensure the kernele7 stack is cleared which might or might not be of value.)y       Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.490 ************************