1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 06 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 492       Contents: Re: "inview" Article Re: Active Directory	 Re: am/pm  Re: Anyone need a RX50?  Re: Anyone need a RX50? + Re: Burning an image with an unknown format  Re: Calculating GB> Re: Can one still vest Vax executables onto Alpha OpenVMS V7.3# Re: Cancelling writes to a log file  Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB% Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK A Re: Curly's wisdom on how to handle HP's Enterprise Systems Group  Re: DECW$CALENDAR file format. Re: DECW$CALENDAR file format. Re: definition of SYS$SYSROOT  Re: Escape Sequences Freeware submissions How to create Sys$BATCH  Re: How to create Sys$BATCH  RE: How to create Sys$BATCH 0 Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?4 Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?4 Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?4 Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?4 RE: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?4 Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?4 Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?4 Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?4 Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?  Re: Looking for a VMS favour....
 MANUaL DCL Re: MANUaL DCL% Microsoft admits Windows is insecure! 8 RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! microvaxII Hardware  Re: microvaxII Hardware  Re: microvaxII Hardware 
 NETPrint 1000  Re: NETPrint 1000  Re: Remote Site Cluster Member Re: Remote Site Cluster MemberP Re: Response to NIST's take on noon and midnight (was Re: Is the HP/Compaq merge Sick Alpha PWS Re: Sick Alpha PWSA Re: Sick of the trolls, whiners, and non-customers in this forum?  Re: simh is back up. Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast! 
 Two questions  RE: Two questions * Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)( Re: Weird, but you get that - marketing.( Re: Weird, but you get that - marketing.< RE: What features/capabilities would you like to see availabA Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on K Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS? K Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS? K Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS? J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?J RE: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?P RE: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? OpenVP RE: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? OpenVP Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? OpenVP Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? OpenVA Re: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP) A RE: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP) A Re: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP)  Re: XP1000 667 selling !!!) YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha - Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha - RE: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 06:09:01 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: "inview" Article 3 Message-ID: <XG9RtAqKw7JG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <cf15391e.0209051951.36201d9c@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: w > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<%jPd9.444825$m91.17180118@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...   N >> clustering:  there may certainly be some (e.g., if VMS provides an externalO >> system mechanism that can be set up to monitor an application and restart it L >> on another node if its host node fails, as some other clustering products >> do) > < > You mean like an application server running in batch using+ > $SUBMIT/QUEUE=some_generic_queue/RESTART?   A That must be discounted because it is was introduced 18 years ago ? and including it in the discussion would be too embarassing for 2 those who are pushing the novelty of "clustering".   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:38:54 +02008 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Active Directory . Message-ID: <ala0jv$2ik0$1@news2.ipartners.pl>  @ > Anyone know of any horror stories I should keep in mind before9 > attending a Microsoft led seminar in Chicago next week?    Sure. = There is a real pain in AD. Imagine a huge, worldwide company ? with AD implemented. If someone (mistakenly) changes the scheme 0 it would cause to replicate the Global Catalogs.A For a really huge company a global catalog may have size of 1 GB, B stored on each DC, and it must be replicated from each to each DC.@ I expect this would stop any other data transmission for months.   T. D.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 23:37:21 -0700 $ From: bdhobbs18@acm.org (Bill Hobbs) Subject: Re: am/pm= Message-ID: <74ca5032.0209052237.60819ac5@posting.google.com>   ] Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> wrote in message news:<3D7796A1.FBFD965@ins-msi.com>... I > > >Well, I'm 100% sure that there have *never* been produced any analog J > > >(the normal round type) clock/watch that have a 24h dial, even though3 > > >there are many countries that don't use am/pm.  > > O > > Then you are 100% wrong.  I have seen them.  There are two types.  One, the P > > more common, has 1-12 in large numerals and 13-00 in small numerals radiallyK > > inward.  The other (and, as I say, I have seen one, has 01 to 12 on the P > > right half f the dial (with 12 in the bottom-most position) and 13-00 on theN > > left side (with 00 at the top).  The hour hand moves once around the clock > > in 24 hours. > 
 > Here's one'  > > >    <http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/clocks/4437.html>  K Here's a Glycine wristwatch whose hour hand makes one rotation in 24 hours: ! http://www.glycine.ie/airman.html H I'm pretty sure I paid less than US$100 back in the late 1970s for mine.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:07:13 GMT * From: "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net>  Subject: Re: Anyone need a RX50?) Message-ID: <lCXd9.13110$Jo.98@rwcrnsc53>   $ Is there anyway to test a RX50 then?  8 "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message7 news:tVGd9.33333$WJ3.7113452@news1.news.adelphia.net...  Nic Clews wrote: > WarlockD wrote:  > J >>The drive:)  I hard you can just use normal disks in it, though they are0 >>formated to like 153 or 183k, I can't remeber.  3 The RX50 drive accepts 2 400K RX50 formatted disks.   H > The RX50 disks are a special format, I think you can format them underI > VMS, but I'm not sure how, and I haven't looked. However I had a box of 4 > RX50's given to me for use with my PDP, with RX50.  G > With an appropriate formatter, I believe you need double sided double J > density 5.25 inch disks. (Open to correction and/or further information)  D The RQDX2 and RQDX3 controllers will support an RX50.  I am not sure, that an RQDX2 controller is still supported.  C Note that an RX33 on a RQDX3 controller can read and write RX50s in 5 addition to standard 1.2MB high density floppy disks.   F Of the RX50s that I have picked up from various sources, 2 have failed to work, and one is untested.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 17:54:17 GMT , From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Anyone need a RX50?6 Message-ID: <alaq48$1p6guf$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  < In article <howard-6D5A29.13223805092002@enews.newsguy.com>,* 	Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:+ > In article <3D7717BF.933B2064@127.0.0.1>, , >  Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote: > I >> The RX50 disks are a special format, I think you can format them under J >> VMS, but I'm not sure how, and I haven't looked. However I had a box of5 >> RX50's given to me for use with my PDP, with RX50.  > # > You'd use the INITIALIZE command.  >   F I'm not sure about this.  I have a number of RX50 drives on my variousF and sundry PDP-11's and everything I have ever seen suggested it was aE shortcoming of the hardware that made formatting disks impossible.  I F believe it is the lack of a formatting command in the disk controller.H If this is the case, then the VAX would be unable to format them either.D On the PDP, INITIALIZE only creates a file structure.  The disk mustE already have a valid low level format.  Would this not be true of VMS 	 as well??    billG PS.  While I could probably use another RX50 as a spare, I doubt that a H guaranteed working one is worth $20, much less one of unknown condition.   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 02:18:51 -0700 $ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho)4 Subject: Re: Burning an image with an unknown format= Message-ID: <d0141774.0209060118.69ee99e3@posting.google.com>   q srp336@getcoactive.com (Steve Pfister) wrote in message news:<45126e60.0209051503.2a33d981@posting.google.com>... D > I've got some sort of OpenVMS 7.2 image file that someone was niceG > enough to supply me with a few months ago. I was able to successfully G > use it to install a copy on an emulator. Then, I bought a Microvax on F > eBay and wanted to reinstall the copy of OpenVMS on it. I don't haveC > the person's name anymore, and I don't think he ever told me what H > created it (assuming he knew in the first place...). Try as I might, IC > couldn't get anything to recognize it (I'm running w2k). I put it G > aside because the new hobbyist kits would be available soon (that was G > around May, and the kits were supposed to be out in July). Here it is G > September now, and the Microvax is gathering dust in my basement. I'd G > like to get something out of the image...I don't want to have to sell  > the machine. > C > Is there any way I can figure out how to burn this image to a CD?   E Any decent burning package on your PC should be able to do this (e.g.  Nero, Click n Burn, Fireburner) E Tell it you want to burn a disc from an image (or ISO) file and point 	 it at the ? 7.2 image file. Hey Presto! That should be it, bootable on your F MicroVAX (I assume you have a DEC CDROM drive). Personally I use ClickC n Burn (http://www.stompinc.com/clicknburn/cnbp2.phtml?stp) which I  find very reliable.   A And people, PLEASE don't start on about the whole image/ISO thing  again. Enough already!   > 	 > Thanks!    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:10:31 +0200 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> Subject: Re: Calculating GB / Message-ID: <al9rdc$rfe1@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------030600080809000807040608; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit    Roy Omond wrote: > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: >  >  >>[... snip ...] >> >>Not much fun.  >>H >>I hear there is a DCL calculator freeware program available. You mightC >>want to try that. Otherwise, I'd highly recommend Fortran or some : >>other 3GL (?) language. And use "real number" variables. >  > H > ICALC, available from that fine place, Hunter Goatley's VMS repository > at http://www.process.com  > 2 > (I'm beginning to sound like a broken record :-) >  > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd. >    or use DCL only:     --    - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regards    Karl Rohwedder                   iT-Ingenieurteam       Ellernbruch 11 D-38112 Braunschweig     Telefon: +49 (531) 515521  Mobil:   +49 (172) 5434843 Telefax: +49 (531) 515531 . E.Mail:  karl.rohwedder(at)it-ingenieurteam.de   fr Volkswagen AG  K-DOE-11  
 Volkswagen AG  Brieffach 1811 38436 Wolfsburg    Telefon: +49 (5361) 9-28724  Telefax: +49 (5361) 9-71854  http://www.volkswagen.de  & --------------030600080809000807040608 Content-Type: text/plain;   name="A.A"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline;  filename="A.A"   7 $!      ===============================================  $!______D I V I D E   7 $!      ===============================================  $ DIVIDE:	Subroutine $	If P1 .eqs. "?"  $	Then
 $	    Clr_Scr 8 $	    Ws  "  ''Bold_On'D C L L I B - DIVIDE''Video_Off'"
 $	    Ws  " " 7 $	    Ws	"  Divides 2 reals with selectable precision." 
 $	    Ws  " "  $	    Ws	"  Inputs:" $	    Ws	"  P1  - dividend"  $	    Ws	"  P2  - divisor" $	    Ws	"  P3  - precision"4 $	    Ws	"  P4  - outstring, if empty -> Sys$Output"
 $	    Ws  " "  $	    Ws	"  Outputs:"  $	    Ws	"  'P4'- result" 
 $	    Ws  " "  $	    Goto Divide_Exit $	Endif  $!! $!______Check for real input data  $	Shift	= 0 ' $	If F$Locate(".",P1) .ne. F$Length(p1)  $	Then $	    P1l	= F$Element(0,".",P1)  $	    P1r	= F$Element(1,".",P1) # $	    Shift = Shift + F$Length(P1r)  $	    P1	= P1 - "."  $	Endif  $!' $	If F$Locate(".",P2) .ne. F$Length(p2)  $	Then $	    P2l	= F$Element(0,".",P2)  $	    P2r	= F$Element(1,".",P2) # $	    Shift = Shift - F$Length(P2r)  $	    P2	= P2 - "."  $	Endif  $!h $	if ((f$type(p1) .nes. "INTEGER") .or. (f$type(p2) .nes. "INTEGER") .or. (F$TYPE(P3) .NES. "INTEGER"))  $	ThenP $	    Ws	"?DIVIDE - Usage: @DCLLIB DIVIDE Dividend Divisor Precision [Outstring] $	    Goto Divide_Exit $	Endif  $! $	Dividend = 'p1'  $	Divisor = 'p2' $	Precision = 'p3' $	Tmp_str := $	Tmp_sgn := $	Tmp_div = dividend $	Signif = 0 $! $	If (tmp_div .eq. 0)  $	Then. $	    Tmp_str = f$fao("0.!#*0", precision - 1) $	    Goto Divide$done $	Endif  $! $	If (divisor .eq. 0)  $	ThenB $	    If ((f$type(p4) .eqs. "STRING") .and. (f$length(p4) .gt. 0))
 $	    Then# $		'p4' == f$fao("!#**", precision)  $		Goto Divide_Exit 
 $	    Else7 $		Write sys$output "Division by zero is not supported"  $		Goto Divide_Exit  $	    Endif  $	Endif  $!. $	If ((tmp_div .lt. 0) .and. (divisor .lt. 0)) $	Then $	    Tmp_div = -tmp_div $	    Divisor = -divisor $	Else if (tmp_div .lt. 0) $	Then $		Tmp_sgn = "-" $		Tmp_div = -tmp_div  $	Else if (divisor .lt. 0) $	Then $	    	tmp_sgn = "-" $		Divisor = -divisor  $	Endif  $	Endif  $	Endif  $! $	If (tmp_div .gt. divisor)  $	Then $	    Tmp_int = tmp_div/divisor ! $	    Tmp_str = f$string(tmp_int) + $	    Tmp_div = tmp_div - divisor * tmp_int ) $	    Signif = signif + f$length(tmp_str)  $	Endif  $! $	Tmp_str = tmp_str + "."  $ Divide$Loop:  2 $	if (signif .ge. precision) then goto Divide$done $	If (tmp_div .lt. 214748365)  $	Then( $	    Tmp_int = (tmp_div * 10) / divisor2 $	    Tmp_div = (tmp_div * 10) - tmp_int * divisor $	Else( $	    Tmp_int = tmp_div / (divisor / 10)9 $	    Tmp_div = 10 * (tmp_div - tmp_int * (divisor / 10))  $	Endif  $!' $	Tmp_str = tmp_str + f$string(tmp_int)  $	If (tmp_int + signif .gt. 0) $	Then $	    Signif = signif + 1  $	Endif  $	Goto Divide$loop $! $ Divide$Done:   $	If Shift .gt. 0  $	Then( $	    TmpL    = F$Element(0,".",Tmp_Str)( $	    TmpR    = F$Element(1,".",Tmp_Str)6 $	    TmpLN   = F$Extract(0,F$Length(TmpL)-Shift,TmpL)? $	    TmpRN   = F$Extract(F$Length(TmpL)-Shift,999,TmpL) + TmpR # $	    Tmp_Str = "''TmpLN'.''TmpRN'"  $	Endif  $! $	If Shift .lt. 0  $	Then. $	    Tmp_Str = Tmp_Str + F$Fao("!#*0",-Shift)( $	    TmpL    = F$Element(0,".",Tmp_Str)( $	    TmpR    = F$Element(1,".",Tmp_Str)/ $	    TmpLN   = TmpL + F$Extract(0,-Shift,TmpR)n* $	    TmpRN   = F$Extract(-Shift,999,TmpR)# $	    Tmp_Str = "''TmpLN'.''TmpRN'"x $	Endifl $!> $	If ((f$type(p4) .eqs. "STRING") .and. (f$length(p4) .gt. 0)) $	Then $	    'p4' == tmp_sgn + tmp_strs $	Else& $	    Write Sys$output tmp_sgn,tmp_str $	EndifB $! $ Divide_Exit:9 $       if "''save_verify'"	then $ exit 1 + 0*f$verify(1)i $	Exit 1 $!	e $	EndSubroutine  $!i7 $!      ===============================================t $!______M U L T I P L Ye7 $!      ===============================================a $ MULTIPLY:	Subroutine $	If P1 .eqs. "?"a $	Then
 $	    Clr_Scrs9 $	    Ws	"  ''Bold_On'D C L L I B - MULTIPLY''Video_Off'"$ $	    Ws	" ": $	    Ws	"  Multiplies 2 reals with selectable precision." $	    Ws	" " $	    Ws	"  Inputs:" $	    Ws	"  P1  - operand 1" $	    Ws	"  P2  - operand 2" $	    Ws	"  P3  - precision"4 $	    Ws	"  P4  - outstring, if empty -> Sys$Output" $	    Ws	" " $	    Ws	"  Outputs:"  $	    Ws	"  'P4'- result"o $	    Goto Multiply_Exit $	Endif? $!! $!______Check for real input datam $	Shift	= 0?' $	If F$Locate(".",P1) .ne. F$Length(p1)a $	Then $	    P1l	= F$Element(0,".",P1)o $	    P1r	= F$Element(1,".",P1)k# $	    Shift = Shift + F$Length(P1r)  $	    P1	= P1 - "."s $	Endifs $!' $	If F$Locate(".",P2) .ne. F$Length(p2)  $	Then $	    P2l	= F$Element(0,".",P2)v $	    P2r	= F$Element(1,".",P2)r# $	    Shift = Shift + F$Length(P2r)P $	    P2	= P2 - "."i $	Endif  $!h $	if ((f$type(p1) .nes. "INTEGER") .or. (f$type(p2) .nes. "INTEGER") .or. (F$TYPE(P3) .NES. "INTEGER"))  $	ThenU $	    Ws	"?MULTIPLY - Usage: @DCLLIB MULTIPLY Operand1 Operand2 Precision [Outstring]  $	    Goto Multiply_Exit $	Endiff $! $	Op1 = 'p1' $	Op2 = 'p2' $	Precision = 'p3' $	Tmp_sgn := $	Tmp_str = Op1 * Op2  $	If Tmp_Str .lt. 0    $	Then e $	    Tmp_Sgn	= "-"y $	    Tmp_Str	= -Tmp_Str $	Endif	 $!* $	If F$Length("''Tmp_Str'") .ge. Precision $	Then $	    Tmp_Str = "''Tmp_Str'.0" $	ElseN $	    Tmp_Str = "''Tmp_Str'" + F$Fao(".!#*0",Precision-F$Length("''Tmp_Str'")) $	Endifs $! $	If Shift .gt. 0w $	Then( $	    TmpL    = F$Element(0,".",Tmp_Str)( $	    TmpR    = F$Element(1,".",Tmp_Str)6 $	    TmpLN   = F$Extract(0,F$Length(TmpL)-Shift,TmpL)? $	    TmpRN   = F$Extract(F$Length(TmpL)-Shift,999,TmpL) + TmpRe# $	    Tmp_Str = "''TmpLN'.''TmpRN'". $	Endift $!> $	If ((f$type(p4) .eqs. "STRING") .and. (f$length(p4) .gt. 0)) $	Then $	    'p4' == tmp_sgn + tmp_stra $	Else& $	    Write Sys$output tmp_sgn,tmp_str $	Endif  $! $ Multiply_Exit:9 $       if "''save_verify'"	then $ exit 1 + 0*f$verify(1)s $	Exit 1 $!	  $	EndSubroutineh  ( --------------030600080809000807040608--   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:31:42 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.comG Subject: Re: Can one still vest Vax executables onto Alpha OpenVMS V7.3?? Message-ID: <OFCE9B7F65.26AD5D01-ON85256C2C.004A403D@metso.com>o  C This reads as if it requires OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 or higher.  Is thatb	 accurate?M        F "warren sander" <sander.ma.ultranet@rcn.com> on 09/05/2002 09:04:15 PM  > Please respond to "warren sander" <sander.ma.ultranet@rcn.com>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:aJ Subject:    Re: Can one still vest Vax executables onto Alpha OpenVMS V7.3    G try http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/omsva/omsva.html fora0 OpenVMS migration software for vax to alpha v1.2 it's new, updated decmigrate.    -warren    --B ------------------------------------------------------------------9 Warren Sander                           OpenVMS MarketingsB Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comG 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1     Personal: sander@remove.ma.ultranet.comi3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875c5    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself-,          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/B ------------------------------------------------------------------< "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D76C443.87D37E6B@fsi.net...a > Hoff Hoffman wrote:1 > >67 > > In article <3D6DB653.48AB3722@telocity.com>, Koloth( <koloth@telocity.com> writes: ! > > > or earlier?  Why the limit?e > >eK > >   Please acquire and read DECmigrate documentation for specific detailscK > >   and for the current release and the product support status.   Thanks!>E > >   The DECmigrate materials and information is available via a URLa listedG > >   in the OpenVMS FAQ; in the OpenVMS Frequently Avoided Quotations.c >   > Quotations from Chairman Hoff? >a > -- > David J. Dachterah > dba DJE SystemsU > http://www.djesys.com/ >T* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:38:58 GMT ? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson)-, Subject: Re: Cancelling writes to a log file. Message-ID: <3d784bdb.484056@news.demon.co.uk>   Yes, sometimes ...  C It is possible if you make the code that encapsulates your activity F log a recoverable resource.  It gets to participate in the transactionF commitment process, and will therefore hear about transaction rollbackC and commitments -- even if the system crashes immediately after then decision has been taken.  E However, it is not going to be very easy.  How do you handle multiple B simultaneous accessors?  Can they intersperse writes for differentB transactions into the activity log, or are the transactions singleF threaded within the log?  If the former, then erasing the intermediate> lines becomes very difficult, if the latter, how do you manage multiple simulaneous accessors?   F Also, you will need to ensure that all transactions that weren't fullyF resolved when that activity log was last used are recovered -- that isE part of why you need to make the logger a resource manager.  How harduC that is depends on how multiple simultaneous accessors are managed.l   Jim.    , On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:54:32 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:n  ' >Is it possible to do the following : ?  >nL >as a transaction is being processed, a whole bunch of logging is written toI >file. If the transaction is succesful, then that logging is erased and ae: >simpler one line message is written to indicate success.  > D >This way, if the transaction fails (or programs crashes), plenty ofL >information is available in the logfile. But if everything works fine, thenJ >that redundant information is removed to remove clutter from the logfile. >lL >Could one use "ftell" at the start of a transaction, write a whole bunch ofF >stuff, and if succesful, then "fseek" to go back to the start of thatK >transaction's log and then write the one line "success" message and signal 8 >that this is the new end of file until the next write ?   Jim Johnson  Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)R   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:58:48 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB7' Message-ID: <3D785228.52619837@aaa.com>l  C Also note that, if you want the free space on each device convertedu3 to MB or GB, VMS 7.3-1 you can get this "by free" :    $ SHOW DEVICES DKB/SIZE=BYTES.D Device             Device     Error    Volume      Free    Trans MntD Name               Status     Count    Label       Space   Count CntD $2$DKB0: (IPG32)   Mounted        0    ENG_IMAGES  5.41GB     1    3# $2$DKB100: (IPG32) Online         0P# $2$DKB300: (IPG32) Online         0t: $2$DKB400: (IPG32) Online         0 (remote shadow member)D $2$DKB500: (IPG32) Mounted        0    GUY         621.37MB   1    4D $2$DKB600: (IPG32) Mounted        0    DATA        11.54GB    1    4 $h   Nice...    Best Regards Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   "geff@excite.com" wrote: > F > I checked the faq and it doesn't mention how to do this.  Is there aD > simple way to convert the block figures I get when I do a "dir" to% > megabytes which is the way I think?i >  > Thanks for any info, > geff   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:54:16 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>n! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MBa$ Message-ID: <3d78b3e2$1@news.si.com>  E >I checked the faq and it doesn't mention how to do this.  Is there asC >simple way to convert the block figures I get when I do a "dir" toc$ >megabytes which is the way I think?  F Since each block is 0.5K, the arithmetic is straight forward.  A closeF approximation is to divide the number of blocks by 2000 and that's the5 megabytes.  For example, 2000 blocks is one megabyte.> --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comhA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comm= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventt< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 07:13:52 -0700t, From: colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive)! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB = Message-ID: <b10654c6.0209060613.6d0ec9b1@posting.google.com>d  i FalconFan <falconfan@falconfan.com> wrote in message news:<suagnukih9ticp1o1lh5ab2i1jn7f6rhrn@4ax.com>...a= > Hey - thanks for your help.  I think I understand it now :)r >  > Geff > H > On 5 Sep 2002 14:41:39 -0700, geff@excite.com (geff@excite.com) wrote: > G > >I checked the faq and it doesn't mention how to do this.  Is there a E > >simple way to convert the block figures I get when I do a "dir" to|& > >megabytes which is the way I think? > >  > >Thanks for any info,  > >geff-  C In case you didn't know, you can do quick calculations right on theoD DCL command line.  I always do.  This is especially easy if you haveC WRITE SYS$OUTPUT assigned as a short symbol (to keep from typing so  much):   $ echo :== write sys$outpute  $ echo 25 * 2048 ! Give me bytes 128001( $ echo 314159 / 2048 ! Give me megabytes 153t  B In addition to what has already been written about bytes in blocksF allocated but not fully used and cluster sizes, consider also in usingC DCL for answers that DCL math is constrained to signed integer mathB= only with an integer range of -2147483648 <_ x <_ 2147483647.a  D You can do "decimal math" with DCL by converting to powers of 10 and> back again, keeping in mind the integer range specified above.   ChrisI -----l Chris Oliveh colive(at)technologEase(dot)comw   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 08:17:04 -0700b, From: colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive)! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MBH< Message-ID: <b10654c6.0209060717.aea4d79@posting.google.com>  i FalconFan <falconfan@falconfan.com> wrote in message news:<suagnukih9ticp1o1lh5ab2i1jn7f6rhrn@4ax.com>...n= > Hey - thanks for your help.  I think I understand it now :)a >  > Geff > H > On 5 Sep 2002 14:41:39 -0700, geff@excite.com (geff@excite.com) wrote: > G > >I checked the faq and it doesn't mention how to do this.  Is there a E > >simple way to convert the block figures I get when I do a "dir" tos& > >megabytes which is the way I think? > >s > >Thanks for any info,  > >geffe  B Oops...  In my DCL math example, I typed "25 * 2048" when I shouldC have typed "25 * 512" for the first example, as someone via privatetC mail pointed out.  I was still stuck on 2048.  Use "echo <blocks> * @ 512" for bytes and "echo <blocks> / 2048" for megabytes.  Just a9 translation error from brain to fingers, but still wrong..   Thanks,o Chrisn -----u Chris Olivel colive(at)technologEase(dot)com$   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:43:14 -0400.- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB9, Message-ID: <3D78E932.542D6375@videotron.ca>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  > $ SHOW DEVICES DKB/SIZE=BYTES   % VMS 7.2 on VMS does not support this.>   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 12:35:04 -0600m+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)l! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MBe3 Message-ID: <d80dS8$SFGtY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3D78E932.542D6375@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:g  >> $ SHOW DEVICES DKB/SIZE=BYTES > ' > VMS 7.2 on VMS does not support this.   G Also note that, if you want the free space on each device converted    e; to MB or GB, VMS 7.3-1 you can get this "by free" :                           ^^^^^                  ^^^^^                  ^^^^^                  ^^^^^                                $ SHOW DEVICES DKB/SIZE=BYTES    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:57:30 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> . Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK$ Message-ID: <3d78b4a5$1@news.si.com>  : >As an additional alternateive the dd command seemed quite/ >functional on Mac OS X the last time I used itl
 ...snip...A >Sure it's a command line program but I don't think anyone "here"= >is afraid of such things :-).  J Well, I learned something new today.  I had no idea you would even _get_ a command line on a Mac. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comfA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comc= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 09:19:37 -0600t- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n. Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK3 Message-ID: <vNFm30kJ83u+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3d78b4a5$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:; >>As an additional alternateive the dd command seemed quite(0 >>functional on Mac OS X the last time I used it > ...snip...B >>Sure it's a command line program but I don't think anyone "here" >>is afraid of such things :-).	 > L > Well, I learned something new today.  I had no idea you would even _get_ a > command line on a Mac.  6 Mac OS X is not the old secure MacOS we know and love.  @ It a variation of Unix with the Macintosh UI glued on the front.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:29:32 -0700_' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>dJ Subject: Re: Curly's wisdom on how to handle HP's Enterprise Systems Group+ Message-ID: <3D78C9DC.C7A37296@caltech.edu>e   Bill Todd wrote: > N > http://investor.cnet.com/investor/brokeragecenter/newsitem-broker/0-9910-108 > 2-20371578-0.html?tag=ltnc > G > "The key to turning the Enterprise Systems Group (ESG) around is costs
 > cutting.  9 Curly falls in a pool.  He decides to hold very still and 8 slow his metabolism down so that he'll extend the length9 of time he can wait to be rescued, given the small amount  of air he has in his lungs.v  ? Carly falls in a pool.  She splashes a lot and laughs (when heri; head goes above water) to try to convince people that she's=/ really playing in the pool instead of drowning.f  B Bill Gates falls in a pool.  He swims to the surface for more air,& then swims to the side and climbs out.  H Warren Buffet stays away from the edge of the pool and does not fall in.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:59:56 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>v' Subject: Re: DECW$CALENDAR file format.v$ Message-ID: <3d78b536$1@news.si.com>  2 >File a bug report as a request for functionality.  J Is there a link on www.openvms.compaq.com that will allow this?  I haven't? seen a paper form for years.  I thought they were discontinued.	 --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comnA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comm= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 09:20:42 -0600	- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)	' Subject: Re: DECW$CALENDAR file format.	3 Message-ID: <EskCvSiIich6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3d78b536$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:3 >>File a bug report as a request for functionality.  > L > Is there a link on www.openvms.compaq.com that will allow this?  I haven'tA > seen a paper form for years.  I thought they were discontinued.i  E You have to go through channels established by your service contract,x# such as the Telephone Support line.!   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 07:27:17 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org& Subject: Re: definition of SYS$SYSROOT3 Message-ID: <wNtG6HLJuL4X@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <01KM55CPIOZG9QUS7H@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:eI > On a (perhaps) related note: since the logicals which use specific and  F > common stuff are defined as search lists anyway, why not just leave @ > VMS$COMMON in the search list, i.e. why have the [.SYSCOMMON] I > subdirectory be a link to the VMS$COMMON directory?  Does this perhaps xI > go back to a time when SET FILE/ENTER existed but search lists did not?L  C Since search list logicals came out at VMS version 4, the requisite1( time frame is VMS version 3 and earlier.  @ In VMS version 3 there was no such directory as VMS$COMMON.  The@ O/S files were in [SYSn.SYSxxx].  I'm not enough of an old timer/ to know the directory layout in 2.x or earlier.2  ; It was only with the advent of 4.x that full blown clusters 0 with cluster common system disks were supported.  B (In the late 3.x releases you could have shared access disk drivesB via HSC50 storage controllers.  But you had no DLM, no support forA coordinated read/write file system access from multiple nodes and  no search list logical names).  H One argument in favor of using [SYSn.SYSCOMMON] rather than [VMS$COMMON]B in search lists is that it offers some nice configuration options.D If you want to run two different VMS releases (for instance, testingE one and running production on another) on a single common system disk"C then you can do so.  Just change the SYSCOMMON.DIR directory entry.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 15:12:33 -0000_4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> Subject: Re: Escape Sequencesc5 Message-ID: <20020906151233.1097.qmail@nym.alias.net>   > On Tue, 03 Sep 2002, Paul Williams <news@celigne.co.uk> wrote:D >Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> wrote in news:3D74735C.9A28586@Omond.net: >tE >> I thought the effect of the ^E was to wedge the VT100 so that onlytD >> a power off could unwedge it.  What was it then if it wasn't ^E ? >> x> >> There was another one to set the VT100 into self-test mode.. >> Paul Williams (of vt100.net), what was it ? > M >It was possible to loop any of the self tests until the machine was powered oL >off (or until failure), so that ESC [ 2 ; 10 y would perform a looped data  >loopback test.6 >.F >There were also the annoying musical sequences. I would point you to K >Sloppy's page of VT100 Oddities, but it appears to have vanished from the @ >net. :( >9 >- Paul0   Saved by the WayBack Machine...r  Y http://web.archive.org/web/20010713233005/http://www.rt66.com/sloppy/computers/vt100.htmle  K Thanks for the search terms to find that, I like the suggestion of screwingw, the terminal then going to tech support. :-)       Doc. -- n6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net-   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 10:37:39 -0700 " From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) Subject: Freeware submissionsa< Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0209060937.dca899a@posting.google.com>  F Is there anyone out there who has submitted something for inclusion onA the freeware CD that has any thoughts/feelings they might want to B share in connection with having done so (good, bad, or otherwise)?  A I have a little ditty (probaby less than 300 lines - half of thateE probably comments) that I was thinking about submitting. No idea whenaF the next CD is scheduled or if there even is a next one at this point.  D I know the question itself is somewhat vague... In the last 10 yearsB or so I've had an email exchange or three with VAXMAN. One of themD centered around some of his past experiences/concerns over releasingE things out there into the "freeware world" so to speak and I'll leaved it at that.i   Joea   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:57:12 -0400, From: "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc>  Subject: How to create Sys$BATCHA Message-ID: <W84e9.27553$%P6.7062748@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>n  * How do you create Sys$BATCH AND Sys$print.   thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:48:02 +02000@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>$ Subject: Re: How to create Sys$BATCH+ Message-ID: <3D78DC42.2020108@mail.tele.dk>d   Francisco Ortega wrote:   , > How do you create Sys$BATCH AND Sys$print.   Try:   $ HELP INIT /QUEUE  / and read a bit about the various possibilities.s   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:09:52 -0400; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>e$ Subject: RE: How to create Sys$BATCHK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA70@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   8 These are usually set up in SYS$STARTUP:SYSTARTUP_V5.COM5 (VMS v5 and earlier) or SYS$STARTUP:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COMy   Seer   $ HELP INITIALIZE /QUEUE  : for how to add bells, whistles, and fringe to your queues  as desired.i   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----3 From: "Francisco Ortega" [mailto:fortega@iblues.cc] ) Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:57 AMt To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com"   Subject: How to create Sys$BATCH    * How do you create Sys$BATCH AND Sys$print.   thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:03:03 GMTh* From: "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net>9 Subject: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?z* Message-ID: <ryXd9.13069$Jo.966@rwcrnsc53>   I am getting confused here.l  G Allot of people are referring to the now combined company as "HP".  ButiC aren't they still Compaq?  Is the trademark Compaq just now that, ao3 trademark owned by HP...or is it the anyway around?w  L Won't they be competing with themselves?  HP-UX is still in the marketplace,0 and if anything VMS is still being used as well.  F In these hard financial times, what limb will the company be forced toF sever, or will they do like IBM (HP-UX = i390 / VMS = as400 ) and do a direct fight with them?a  K I am still a newbie to both the as400 world as well as VMS, but I have been D working with HP, compaq and the like for all my life and I feel that4 HP/Compaq could be something amazing....  or stupid.  # Remeber the fall of Packard-Bell...?  % The king is dead, long live the king?t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:21:18 +0100: From: "John Macallister" <j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>= Subject: Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?C( Message-ID: <al9oi0$apj$1@news.ox.ac.uk>  I It appears to be HP now. I received a letter from HP a couple of days agovK reassuring me of HP's commitment to Alpha and VMS. My guess is that it willW become HP VMS.   John    5 "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net> wrote in message $ news:ryXd9.13069$Jo.966@rwcrnsc53... > I am getting confused here.  >uI > Allot of people are referring to the now combined company as "HP".  But3E > aren't they still Compaq?  Is the trademark Compaq just now that, a 5 > trademark owned by HP...or is it the anyway around?w >mA > Won't they be competing with themselves?  HP-UX is still in the  marketplace,2 > and if anything VMS is still being used as well. > H > In these hard financial times, what limb will the company be forced toH > sever, or will they do like IBM (HP-UX = i390 / VMS = as400 ) and do a > direct fight with them?w >tH > I am still a newbie to both the as400 world as well as VMS, but I have beenF > working with HP, compaq and the like for all my life and I feel that6 > HP/Compaq could be something amazing....  or stupid. > % > Remeber the fall of Packard-Bell.... >n' > The king is dead, long live the king?o >a >e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:24:47 +0100= From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk>b= Subject: Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?h? Message-ID: <3v_d9.19248$rd2.7486@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>a  J It's "hp OpenVMS". That's what today's delivery of OpenVMS V7.3-1 CDs says on the box, paper docs and CDs.    -- Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin. ' (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk)n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:16:38 +0100l( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>= Subject: Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?5( Message-ID: <3D788086.36753E9@127.0.0.1>   WarlockD wrote:  >  > I am getting confused here.y > I > Allot of people are referring to the now combined company as "HP".  ButoE > aren't they still Compaq?  Is the trademark Compaq just now that, a 5 > trademark owned by HP...or is it the anyway around?g  ) Dealing with 'them' in the US it is "HP".m   e.g.  # > OpenVMS Technical Account Manager2 > Hewlett-Packard Company     E EMEA (Europe (inc. UK) Middle East, Africa) however seem to be saying  "Compaq at the new HP".9   e.g.   > VMS Ambassador > Compaq Computer Limited + > (a subsidiary of Hewlett Packard Company)     @ I've invented my own nickname, which is "digital" for the bits I% recognize having originated there :-)s   -- i? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesn nclews at csc dot comy   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:59:11 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>R= Subject: RE: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?sT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026609BF@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  4 As John indicated in the attached, it is HP OpenVMS.  & Reference OpenVMS V7.3-1 cover letter:D http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/731final/cletters/AV-RSD1A-TE.HTML  B Some of the confusion in what different HP folks actually state onD official documents is a result of local country laws and regulationsB which require different things to happen before the merger becomes	 official.   C This is no different than what happens with the merger of any large E global companies. It takes time for all the country specific laws and-F regulations to be met. Digital-Compaq went through the same processes.   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant: Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services7 Voice: 613-592-4660l Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----B From: John Macallister [mailto:j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk]=20 Sent: September 6, 2002 4:21 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2< Subject: Re: Humm. So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?    E It appears to be HP now. I received a letter from HP a couple of days G ago reassuring me of HP's commitment to Alpha and VMS. My guess is that  it will become HP VMS.   John    5 "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net> wrote in message $ news:ryXd9.13069$Jo.966@rwcrnsc53... > I am getting confused here.d >5H > Allot of people are referring to the now combined company as "HP". =20J > But aren't they still Compaq?  Is the trademark Compaq just now that,=207 > a trademark owned by HP...or is it the anyway around?o >rA > Won't they be competing with themselves?  HP-UX is still in the  marketplace,2 > and if anything VMS is still being used as well. >-H > In these hard financial times, what limb will the company be forced to  I > sever, or will they do like IBM (HP-UX =3D i390 / VMS =3D as400 ) and =3 do a   > direct fight with them?a >rH > I am still a newbie to both the as400 world as well as VMS, but I have beenI > working with HP, compaq and the like for all my life and I feel that=2056 > HP/Compaq could be something amazing....  or stupid. >u% > Remeber the fall of Packard-Bell...g >D' > The king is dead, long live the king?  >  >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:28:34 -0400n2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>= Subject: Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now? . Message-ID: <3D789F72.89AF12DD@mindspring.com>   WarlockD wrote:    > I am getting confused here.7 >1I > Allot of people are referring to the now combined company as "HP".  But E > aren't they still Compaq?  Is the trademark Compaq just now that, a 5 > trademark owned by HP...or is it the anyway around?-  , I had occasion to try to call someone at DEC+ yesterday amd spent about 5 minutes wendingt) my way through a maze of twisty passages,c0 all different, but reached by pressing "1", "7",2 "42", etc. . I eventually reached a human operator- who transfered me to another human quite nearo3 my intended destination who immediately transferred * me right back to where I entered the maze.  4 During this time, I got to hear at least three times. a phrase very much like "Compaq, a unit of the- new HP". I never did reach my intended party, , though, and if I were a customer, would have1 placed my next call to Ms. Fiorina discussing her  lack of customer service.a  / By the way, the person I was calling was in the , Compaq order-entry area (you know, the place- where they talk to the paying customers?) and . 70% of the worker bees in their area have just- been laid-off (sacked, made redundant, etc.).a   So how's that merger going?    Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:08:35 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>= Subject: Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?r) Message-ID: <3D78C4F3.C61416E3@127.0.0.1>o   Nic Clews wrote: >  >i  & Oh, and Colorado Support Centre answer  = "Welcome to Compaq Computer Corporation, part of the new HP".i   -- >? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot comn   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:43:32 GMTo5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>i= Subject: Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?o1 Message-ID: <UW4e9.33$9v.542829@news.cpqcorp.net>   0 We have special phone routing for you Atlant ;-)  E Atlant Schmidt wrote in message <3D789F72.89AF12DD@mindspring.com>...R >WarlockD wrote: >h >> I am getting confused here. >>J >> Allot of people are referring to the now combined company as "HP".  ButF >> aren't they still Compaq?  Is the trademark Compaq just now that, a6 >> trademark owned by HP...or is it the anyway around? >u- >I had occasion to try to call someone at DEC , >yesterday amd spent about 5 minutes wending* >my way through a maze of twisty passages,1 >all different, but reached by pressing "1", "7", 3 >"42", etc. . I eventually reached a human operatoro. >who transfered me to another human quite near4 >my intended destination who immediately transferred+ >me right back to where I entered the maze.e >e5 >During this time, I got to hear at least three timesw/ >a phrase very much like "Compaq, a unit of theo. >new HP". I never did reach my intended party,- >though, and if I were a customer, would havef2 >placed my next call to Ms. Fiorina discussing her >lack of customer service. >c0 >By the way, the person I was calling was in the- >Compaq order-entry area (you know, the placen. >where they talk to the paying customers?) and/ >70% of the worker bees in their area have justg. >been laid-off (sacked, made redundant, etc.). >t >So how's that merger going? >  >Atlante >l >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:51:05 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>	= Subject: Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?t, Message-ID: <3D78EB08.61ED00E5@videotron.ca>   John Macallister wrote:o >  > It appears to be HP now.  N I believe that is some countries, it is "Compaq Computer Corp, a subsidiary ofL HP". Gotan email from a digital employee in the UK recently, and his sig had
 the above.  ? HP has to merge its subsidiaries individually in each country. e  L When Compaq bought Digital, there was much less "merging" to do since CompaqN was a tiny company without much international presence, so in other countries,L it was just a matter of moving a few compaqw employess from a downtown salesL office to the exsiting digital offices. (with all the paperwork this entails( from the legal corporation perspective).  H But with HP, both HP and "Digital" have extensive overlap in many citiesD around the world, so the merging process will be more "interesting".   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:24:18 GMT- From: "H.Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>0) Subject: Re: Looking for a VMS favour....c0 Message-ID: <6x5e9.665$hf3.5467@typhoon.bart.nl>  < "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> schreef in bericht% news:3D766623.4070306@mail.tele.dk...l > H.Vlems wrote: >yI > > (red head, mine) since I have no idea what VMS_SHARE is, I decided toe > > mention ZIP. > > What is it anyway? >s> > It is a COM-file that can take a binary file like EXE or ZIP< > and convert it to text and chunk it up in small parts that2 > when concatanated is a self-extracting COM file. > 7 > That way you can receive and unpack binary files evenN; > though you only can transfer text files. And all you needo > is DCL and TPU.V >v1 > Pretty neat. And a very used tool 10 years ago.  >nH That is the reason then, that I'd never heard of it. 10 years ago I only dealt/H with VMS, W95, WNT, unix and VSE systems that were connected via DECnet.F No need for tools like the one you described. Now those were the days,	 before weu@ decided that "industry standards" was going to be our future :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 03:20:16 -0700v From: ac.atn@sarenet.es (David). Subject: MANUaL DCL = Message-ID: <ee9e24f1.0209060220.2eb70c61@posting.google.com>m   Hello,  E Im trying to redo a .com file for printing on a plotter and i need ag/ mual of dcl, someone knows where can i find it?a   Thanks.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:31:53 +0200f9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: MANUaL DCL ' Message-ID: <3D788419.E759C16C@aaa.com>n  
 Check at :  $ "http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/"   Jan-Erik Sderholm   David wrote: >  > Hello, > G > Im trying to redo a .com file for printing on a plotter and i need aa1 > mual of dcl, someone knows where can i find it?g > 	 > Thanks.1   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 10:59:02 -0700s( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski). Subject: Microsoft admits Windows is insecure!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0209060959.3a1e72c9@posting.google.com>e  % Microsoft admits Windows is insecure d   They're up to something, surelyt  / By Egan Orion: Friday 06 September 2002, 18:51      D SPEAKING AT A .NET developers conference in Seattle yesterday, Brian@ Valentine, Microsoft's SVP for Windows development, admitted "WeE really haven't done everything we could to protect our customers. Our . products just aren't engineered for security."A This is hardly news to the tens of thousands of technical supportyB folks who've had to apply an endless stream of security patches toE Microsoft systems (eight in August, plus two more already so far thise? month), but it's startling to hear a Microsoft executive openly.= acknowledge that its flagship PC operating systems and office ? productivity applications are fundamentally insecure. This is ae! stunning admission of negligence.   F One can almost hear the dry rustle of attorneys rubbing their hands inF gleeful anticipation of class-action lawsuits for software engineeringE liabilities. Electrical power grids worldwide must be straining underrF the load as millions of inkjet printers are fired up by disgruntled ITE managers preparing to justify migrating critical systems off Windows.n  D It's uncharacteristic of Microsoft to be so candid, however -- even,C or especially, with regard to issues that seem self-evident to justtD about everyone else. The transparent dissembling of Microsoft's most? senior executives during their antitrust trial testimonies, theeF marketing spin applied at product releases, co-opting of the computingB industry press -- everything in Microsoft's public demeanor -- hasD been anything but candid. Thus, one might suspect that they're up to something here.x  E The question is... what? Since this was a .NET developers conference,tF after all, one might imagine they plan to push .NET as the solution, aB sort of proprietary Internet firewall... that they'll control, andB tax. Or they might be setting up their captive customers for theirC Palladium initiative of Microsoft-specific DRM-enhanced PC hardwares@ and software. Or yet, this might be an opening gambit to developE demand for another crank of the revenue cycle for OS and applications-D (Longhorn?). It might even be a ploy in all of these directions. One
 might wonder.O  E In any case, it's tempting to believe this wasn't just an instance ofaF a senior Microsoft executive being too candid in a moment of weakness.E A second shoe must be poised to drop. We'll just have to wait for it.   = News site CW360 first reported this story, but it seems to beiD overloaded today, so we'll refer you to the discussion about this at Slashdot here.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 14:49:44 -0000j4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>A Subject: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!r6 Message-ID: <20020906144944.26595.qmail@nym.alias.net>  I On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>  wrote:( >The Inquirer article Bob cites is here: >t) >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5281- >O? >It cites an alert from the Microsoft Product Support Services l# >Security team that is posted here:  >2@ >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q328691 >B* >And yes, in so many words, they do admit  >r9 >1) that they have no clue as to how it's being done; andrB >2) there's almost no way to know if your system is safe once it's >   been hacked. > D >HP should take out full-page ads and reprint the Microsoft advisoryD >verbatim with the "Prevention" and "Recovery" sections highlighted.  ! Well, I read the bit that says...n  H "Fully-patched computers that follow security best practices provide the;  best protection from hacking or other malicious software."d  4 Guess they mean a computer not running an M$ OS. :-)     Doc. -- a6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.neto   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 02:48:45 -0700o; From: frank.dueckinghaus@amdahl-autinform.de (Dueckinghaus)h Subject: microvaxII Hardware= Message-ID: <dfc5bf3f.0209060148.67278e73@posting.google.com>m   Hi NG,  F I'm working in the moment for a company who still work with a MicrovaxD II Server. Now we have a the big problem, one HDD is crashed. I needD some "new" Hardware for this Server. Can someone tell me where I can get Hardware for a MicrovaxII? Here the parts I need:  . MicrovaxII        (The hole System for backup) SCSI Controler HDD: NEC 2373     (1GB)a  F If someone can say me where I can get some of this Hardware I would be
 very pleased.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:39:36 +0200 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>  Subject: Re: microvaxII Hardware/ Message-ID: <ala0kd$t5b5@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>    Dueckinghaus wrote:e > Hi NG, > H > I'm working in the moment for a company who still work with a MicrovaxF > II Server. Now we have a the big problem, one HDD is crashed. I needF > some "new" Hardware for this Server. Can someone tell me where I can  > get Hardware for a MicrovaxII? > Here the parts I need: > 0 > MicrovaxII        (The hole System for backup) > SCSI Controler > HDD: NEC 2373     (1GB)  > H > If someone can say me where I can get some of this Hardware I would be > very pleased.0  B I do not the make of the SCSI Controller, but try to get any older8 1GB 8-bit SCSI drive, maybe a 2GB driver will work also.   --    - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regardsI   Karl Rohwedder               s   iT-Ingenieurteam     s Ellernbruch 11 D-38112 Braunschweig r   Telefon: +49 (531) 515521  Mobil:   +49 (172) 5434843 Telefax: +49 (531) 515531 . E.Mail:  karl.rohwedder(at)it-ingenieurteam.de   fr Volkswagen AGt K-DOE-11  
 Volkswagen AGd Brieffach 1811 38436 WolfsburgH   Telefon: +49 (5361) 9-28724o Telefax: +49 (5361) 9-71854  http://www.volkswagen.de   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:11:37 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>s  Subject: Re: microvaxII Hardware" Message-ID: <3d78b7f4@news.si.com>  ? >Can someone tell me where I can get Hardware for a MicrovaxII?e   Scads of places.   http://www.glcomp.com/ http://www.decparts.com/ http://www.geminidigital.com/ % http://www.computerclearinghouse.com/3 http://www.compunetinc.com/   http://www.crescentcomputer.com/ http://www.newman.com/   How many do you need?e --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.compA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comy= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:39:19 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: NETPrint 1000@ Message-ID: <20020906123919.63058.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>  0 I discovered an old NetPrint 1000 in my network.3 The unique command which I entered was SHOW SERVER.r It donte have a HELP or ?S  1 Anyone knows how can I configure TCPIP address in-* this dinossaur ? I searched www.osicom.com  site01 which purchased this Digital hardware but I didnt: discover anything.    / NetPrint 1000 (c) 1995 DPI. All Rights ReservedC Local> show server6 NetPrint 1000               ROM Version 1.0.2              Uptime: 76 17:34:16e  1 Identification:    Digital Products NetPrint 1000r  2 LAT Server Name:      LAT_0040AF114F70             Address:  00-40-AF-11-4F-70o2   Retransmit Limit:                 60             Circuit Timer (ms):     100n  5 TCP/IP:  ENABLED            LAT:  ENABLED            c NetWare:  DISABLED  % Management Port Status:     Connecteds (AA-00-04-00-3D-21)i  6 Parallel Port Name:         PORT_1                 LAT Protocol:       Enabledt2   Port Status:              Idle                   Interface:       Centronicsl2   Strobe Width (us):        1                      Paper Empty:            Yest  6 Serial Port Name:           PORT_2                 LAT Protocol:      Disabled62   Port Status:              Idle                   Framing Errors:           0-2   Port Type:                Printer                Parity Errors:            0m2   Speed:                    9600                   Overrun Errors:           0e2   Flow Control:             XON & DSR              Input XOFFed:            Noo2   Parity:                   NONE                   Input Signals:     Inactive 2   Character Size:           8                      Output Signals:      Activet Local>   =====e ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?+ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotesa http://finance.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:28:03 GMT,* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> Subject: Re: NETPrint 10005 Message-ID: <060920020921013553%paul.anderson@hp.com>   F In article <20020906123919.63058.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio) Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:   2 > I discovered an old NetPrint 1000 in my network. ...sF > Anyone knows how can I configure TCPIP address in this dinossaur ? ID > searched www.osicom.com site which purchased this Digital hardware  > but I didnt discover anything.  E Try sending e-mail to techsupport@netsilicon.com .  NetSilicon is the G successor to DPI, who also made the network cards for the DEClaser 35000 and 5100 printers.  D Or you could try the command SET SERVER IPADDRESS which an old brain cell tells me might work.    Paul   -- 3  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringl   Hewlett-Packard Companyi   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:56:19 +0100 (MET)n9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>m' Subject: Re: Remote Site Cluster Member ; Message-ID: <01KM6TQDOA5U9OCZIZ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  B > Well, I *AM SURE* TCP/IP services does *NOT* use SYS$SPECIFIC orJ > SYS$COMMON the way I *EXPECT* an OpenVMS product to behave in a cluster. > D > If only you have a look at the UAF entries that are used by TCP/IPJ > services. Some of them have a home directory on SYS$SYSDEVICE, others on> > SYS$SPECIFIC. My attempts to change that to a proper cluster > configuration have failed. o  H I think this should be a high-priority item for VMS engineering.  TCPIP E just HAS to be more than "just good enough" in today's world, and it r0 should of course behave properly on VMS as well!   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:25:17 +0100 (MET)I9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>,' Subject: Re: Remote Site Cluster Member ; Message-ID: <01KM6USE8VOE9QVFL2@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>u  B > Well, I *AM SURE* TCP/IP services does *NOT* use SYS$SPECIFIC orJ > SYS$COMMON the way I *EXPECT* an OpenVMS product to behave in a cluster. > D > If only you have a look at the UAF entries that are used by TCP/IPJ > services. Some of them have a home directory on SYS$SYSDEVICE, others on> > SYS$SPECIFIC. My attempts to change that to a proper cluster > configuration have failed.    H I think this should be a high-priority item for VMS engineering.  TCPIP E just HAS to be more than "just good enough" in today's world, and it  0 should of course behave properly on VMS as well!   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:41:43 GMT@+ From: "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@compaq.com> Y Subject: Re: Response to NIST's take on noon and midnight (was Re: Is the HP/Compaq merge 1 Message-ID: <bo1e9.18$bj.259200@news.cpqcorp.net>    meridiem != meridian  E meridiem is the middle of the day - an instant (not an interval) thatID equally divides the 24 hour day.  It has nothing to do with the sun,  latitude, or season of the year.  K All times in the 12 hours preceding that instant are ante meridiem (AM) andtI all in the 12 hours following are post meridiem (PM) if the definition oftC the term is kept.  That leaves the instant of midnight (also not aniL interval) that belongs to two days and is both 12 hours AM of the one and 12 hours PM of the other.  J While this is logically consistent, it is problematic for digital displaysL and for most programming uses which assume that all times belong to a singleI day and that times are synonymous with an instance of an interval of some L specific granularity (on VMS it is one tick in internal format or 1/100th ofI a second in the best default display format), so adopting a convention ofsI labeling midnight as AM of a new day and noon (meridiem) as PM just makesc! things a little easier to handle.    --	 Mike Kier $ HP Consulting & Integration Services Cincinnati, OH, USA  michael.kier@hp.come   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 04:09:17 -0700r$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) Subject: Sick Alpha PWS.= Message-ID: <d0141774.0209060309.35b78f87@posting.google.com>-  ) My Personal WorkStation 433au won't boot.eC It beeps once when started, and the diagnostic LED's all remain on,	C which according to the technical docs means, "No Scache bits set ins SC_CTL register."1  D Is it hosed? Can I do anything to resurrect it? If I need to replace( parts, what exactly is it that's broken?   Many thanks.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:53:21 -0500< From: "Stanley Reynolds" <nospam_stanley_reynolds@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Sick Alpha PWSd@ Message-ID: <md5e9.20451$2L.1337237@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>  F > Is it hosed? Can I do anything to resurrect it? If I need to replace* > parts, what exactly is it that's broken?  I If you have more that one bank of memory try the system with only one butsD first remove both. If you have only one bank of memory remove it andL reinstall. Remove all cards and test then restall the display card and test.L Try without the keyboard and mouse connected. While handling the memory keepK one hand on the metal case and don't touch the connectors or chips. you may L use a clean dry cotton cloth to wipe the connectors of the memory chips. Use% a dry paint brush to remove any dust.e   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 16:51:54 GMTn, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)J Subject: Re: Sick of the trolls, whiners, and non-customers in this forum?6 Message-ID: <alamfa$1o6o8r$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  - In article <al6bck$kon@web.eng.baileynm.com>, ) 	peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes:i: > In article <magbnus4bvg9ta2gtnqinfedp78nhpud9s@4ax.com>,) > Alan Greig  <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:sI >> Had first Digital , then Compaq and perhaps HP helped me every step ofaH >> the way to push VMS but it failed in the marketplace, I would feel noH >> animosity But instead I've spent the last decade fighting them trying( >> to push me towards Unix then Windows. > E > Anyone else wear their "Affinity" freebies to get a rise out of oldaH > DEC hands? You can always tell the people who watched the company melt< > down, they scowl at your "Affinity - VMS/NT" polo shirt... >   H I still have my "Windows/NoT" buttons!!  I'ld wear them around here, but% I suspect no one would get it anyway.0   bill   -- mJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 05:56:18 GMT * From: "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net> Subject: Re: simh is back up.c? Message-ID: <GqXd9.181226$_91.213762@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>a  J yea!  Another reason to waste money!  Can't wait till they get more orders heheA "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in messagef* news:3D777A54.BB4C38D4@blueyonder.co.uk...     Stanley Reynolds wrote:e >n > > Can this run VMS 7.2?1K > > "Stanley Reynolds" <nospam_stanley_reynolds@yahoo.com> wrote in message ; > > news:pSxd9.400$%P6.18738@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com... H > > Sorry I didn't understand your question the yes was for a real 3900. Look > at > > netbsd/vax atW0 > > www.netbsd.org/Ports/vax/emulator-howto.html >lJ > It maybe only legal if you run it on a vax or alpha not sure the licenseI > covers intel. But why not pick up a 3100 on ebay microvax or vaxstations andfJ > use your intel for a terminal that will run faster and only set you back4 > about $50 usd, $20 for the 3100 $30  for shipping.  I The Hobbyist licence registration has an explicit setting for Simh users.e   -- tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:44:30 GMT ( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!< Message-ID: <y34e9.5928$ip3.514847@twister.southeast.rr.com>   I think he's referring to this:a  , C|Net: Sun draws heat over Solaris roadblock) http://news.com.com/2100-1001-956405.htmla   Save-Solaris-x86.ORG  http://www.save-solaris-x86.org/  ( An Open Letter to Sun Microsystems, Inc.: http://www.save-solaris-x86.org/sjmercurynews-20020903.pdf  D This caught some press this week here and there.  I read Sun's replyD somewhere, can't find it.  They called the ad a personal attack if IL remember correctly.  The author or co-author (he's mixed in there somewhere)F basically replied that McNeally shouldn't throw rocks in a glass houseH regarding calling people to task on issues, as he has done so many times with competitors.t   Kent   -- Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPTC.com      B "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> wrote in messageA news:craigberry-2D5ADC.23021305092002@news.directvinternet.com...n) > In article <3D781DC5.143EF9CF@fsi.net>,t5 >  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:m >tH > > Anyone interested in casting a similar challenge at VMS Management's$ > > feet should e-mail me privately. >aC > Dave, in your enthusiasm, you seem to have left out a few salientrD > points, such as challenge to do what?  I had several snide guessesE > prepared (the most logical one based on your post being to have theaI > OpenVMS group support Solaris on Intel!) but as much fun as the guessesrI > might be it would better to have you tell us what you want to challengeO
 > them to do.,   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 11:10:28 -0600M+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)n" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!3 Message-ID: <Y3B9FtOtYv8a@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <y34e9.5928$ip3.514847@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> writes: ! > I think he's referring to this:h > . > C|Net: Sun draws heat over Solaris roadblock+ > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-956405.html- >  > Save-Solaris-x86.ORG" > http://www.save-solaris-x86.org/ > * > An Open Letter to Sun Microsystems, Inc.< > http://www.save-solaris-x86.org/sjmercurynews-20020903.pdf > F > This caught some press this week here and there.  I read Sun's replyF > somewhere, can't find it.  They called the ad a personal attack if IN > remember correctly.  The author or co-author (he's mixed in there somewhere)H > basically replied that McNeally shouldn't throw rocks in a glass houseJ > regarding calling people to task on issues, as he has done so many times > with competitors.e >   5 	Sun has long since descended into bombastic puffery.l< 	The press gets a kick out of Scotty bad-mouthing Microsoft.  A 	The fact that Sun is trading at $3.60 a share, Zander, ShoemakersE 	and others have brain-drained, is further evidence that all that is i 	left is puffery.   A 	They are at the point that Digital was in 1989.  Unfocused, highsA 	growth days long gone, little or no diversification.  Maybe theyr+ 	should get into printers.  Bwaaa-ha-ha-ha.a   				Robr  tB Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wonder G Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstreama> The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder  .                                 -- Neil Young    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:29:45 +0400 / From: Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru>  Subject: Two questions( Message-ID: <3D7891A9.9000103@beenet.ru>   Hi ppl!    Two simple questions:oJ 1. How can I get my uVAX-3800 System ID to get license PAK from  Montagar? andf8 2. Why >>> show dev doesn't show VMS aliases of devices?   Thanks!l    
 Best regards,) Konstantin Klubnichkin   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:18:38 -0400; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>- Subject: RE: Two questionsK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA6E@rlghncst964.usps.gov>d   -----Original Message-----8 From: "Konstantin Klubnichkin" [mailto:kostik@beenet.ru]( Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:29 AM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com"  Subject: Two questions     Hi ppl!x   Two simple questions:eJ 1. How can I get my uVAX-3800 System ID to get license PAK from  Montagar? andr  - 	www: It wants a serial number, not an SID.  a  - 	www: These are usually ten characters long;  @ 	www: I got a Multia once that had no serial number on the case;: 	www: I used the serial number on the motherboard instead. 	www: YMMV.e  o8 2. Why >>> show dev doesn't show VMS aliases of devices?  ? 	www: Because they don't exist until later in the boot process.-   Thanks!i    
 Best regards,v Konstantin Klubnichkin   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:56:47 +0400 / From: Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> 3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)2( Message-ID: <3D7897FF.6040200@beenet.ru>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:\ > In article <3D7891A9.9000103@beenet.ru>, Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> writes: >  > L >>1. How can I get my uVAX-3800 System ID to get license PAK from  Montagar? >  > D > Look at the frame of the system (possibly removing the covers) for > a serial number. >  On what? I mean where on frame?n   > : >>2. Why >>> show dev doesn't show VMS aliases of devices? >  > ; > Because >>> comes from the hardware rather than from VMS.n  0 Actually I know that, but many sites shows next:  
  >>> show devcE   VMS/VMB  ULTRIX    ADDR    DEVTYP  NUMBYTES  RM/FX  WP  DEVNAM  REVpE   -------  ------  --------  ------  --------  -----  --  ------  ---/$   ESA0     SE0     08-00-2B-12-92-40E   DKA300   RZ3     A/3/0/00  DISK      209 MB   FX        RZ24   211B "   ...HostID....    A/7       INITR"   ...HostID....    B/7       INITR   and I get only$ DUA0: (type of drive, dont remember) DUB0: (same) MUA0: (RK70) ...t ...v ...  Where is the table?2   Thanks!P  
 Best regards,  Konstantin Klubnichkin   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 06:44:17 -0600-- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)(3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800) 3 Message-ID: <ivk+OAoCjoYA@eisner.encompasserve.org>3  Z In article <3D7891A9.9000103@beenet.ru>, Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> writes:  L > 1. How can I get my uVAX-3800 System ID to get license PAK from  Montagar?  B Look at the frame of the system (possibly removing the covers) for a serial number.  : > 2. Why >>> show dev doesn't show VMS aliases of devices?  9 Because >>> comes from the hardware rather than from VMS.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:47:46 +0100  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>:3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)t) Message-ID: <3D78A3F1.B3099CBE@Omond.net>1   Konstantin Klubnichkin wrote:-   > Larry Kilgallen wrote:^ > > In article <3D7891A9.9000103@beenet.ru>, Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> writes:N > >>1. How can I get my uVAX-3800 System ID to get license PAK from  Montagar? > >cF > > Look at the frame of the system (possibly removing the covers) for > > a serial number. > ! > On what? I mean where on frame?   L Probably on the back.  As Larry said, you might have to take the covers off,J but it will be there unless someone has gone to the effort of removing it.  < > >>2. Why >>> show dev doesn't show VMS aliases of devices? > > = > > Because >>> comes from the hardware rather than from VMS.o > 2 > Actually I know that, but many sites shows next: >  >  >>> show devEG >   VMS/VMB  ULTRIX    ADDR    DEVTYP  NUMBYTES  RM/FX  WP  DEVNAM  REV G >   -------  ------  --------  ------  --------  -----  --  ------  --- & >   ESA0     SE0     08-00-2B-12-92-40G >   DKA300   RZ3     A/3/0/00  DISK      209 MB   FX        RZ24   211Bt$ >   ...HostID....    A/7       INITR$ >   ...HostID....    B/7       INITR  H That would be on a SCSI-based VAX like a VAXstation 4000-VLC or 4000/60.0 You have a VAX 3800 which is *not* such a model.   > and I get only& > DUA0: (type of drive, dont remember) > DUB0: (same) > MUA0: (RK70) >_ > Where is the table?Y  ? Your VAX 3800 is a Qbus based machine.  Your disk controller isn; probably a KDA50, and your disk drives are probably RA70's.,   Hope that helps,  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:09:22 +04003/ From: Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru>63 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)a( Message-ID: <3D78A902.6030504@beenet.ru>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:\ > In article <3D78A5AB.5090201@beenet.ru>, Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> writes: >  >>Roy Omond wrote: >><skipped>  >>O >>>Probably on the back.  As Larry said, you might have to take the covers off,eM >>>but it will be there unless someone has gone to the effort of removing it.D >>>h >>	 >>Hm..... L >>Ok. I have VMS5.5-2 installed, is it possible to get SID using some tools? >  > E > It is best not to use the acronym SID when talking about the serial E > number that Montegar wants.  SID is the "system ID" embedded in therD > computer hardware.  Since the 11/780 the SID has not contained theC > serial number of an individual computer, but rather an indication-B > of the manufacturing plant, revision level, etc.  The SID is not > what Montegar wants.  G Do you mean that Montegar wants "Computer serial number" and it should uH be on the frame, not burned number of processor board or something like  that?i   Thanks!.  
 Best regards,o Konstantin Klubnichkin   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:11:18 +0100c From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> 3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)r) Message-ID: <3D78A975.5E972A61@Omond.net>    Konstantin Klubnichkin wrote:o   > Roy Omond wrote: > <skipped>IP > > Probably on the back.  As Larry said, you might have to take the covers off,N > > but it will be there unless someone has gone to the effort of removing it. > > 	 > Hm..... L > Ok. I have VMS5.5-2 installed, is it possible to get SID using some tools?  ? You mean by software ?  Answer is no (at least for that model).K  J > Actually I didn't saw any SID's on front of frame and have absolutely NOG > idea how to remove back side of frame... Looks like firstly I have toOJ > remove upper panel, then unscrew back panel but I cant see how to remove > upper one...  H Going from memory, there should be a pull-down plastic door on the frontH of the machine.  There was a plastic key that would allow the door to beG pulled down all the way to expose the buttons like "reset", "halt" etc.gG Without the key, the door would only go down far enough to allow accessuL to the TK70, so that vanilla users could insert tapes but not gain access to the "dangerous" stuff (;-)  J Pull the door down all the way;  if you don't have the key, you'll have toO do this by brute-force (it is possible!)  Once the door is pulled down, there'sdH a plastic piece that you'll need to pull out (towards you).  Having doneL that, you should be able to pull off the front cover (it should lift upwardsI to unhinge it).  After that, it should be easy to dismantle all the otherh covers.g  > > >>>>2. Why >>> show dev doesn't show VMS aliases of devices? > <skipped>o > >rC > > Your VAX 3800 is a Qbus based machine.  Your disk controller is ? > > probably a KDA50, and your disk drives are probably RA70's.i > >t, > Another question but your said it first :)B > Is it possible to use SCSI devices in my VAX? Is there QBUS SCSI > controller anywere?   = There is a DEC model (KZQSA ?) which only supports slow stuffbD like CDrom.  You *don't* want this !  There were various third-partyD controllers that were actually quite nice.  CMD definitely made one,A and there were the Viking models from an Australian company whosenC name I can't remember (there were at least two, one for disks only, C and one for disks and tapes).  Try looking on e-Bay, or some of themE resellers might still have them available (try Dave Turner at Island,s+ he usually has some pretty esoteric stuff).   E All in all, I think you'd be better off trying to get one of the SCSIr= based machines (I don't know how easy it would be to pick one0 up in Russia).  
 Good luck,  	 Roy Omondi Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:55:07 +0400c/ From: Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru>e3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)s( Message-ID: <3D78A5AB.5090201@beenet.ru>   Roy Omond wrote:	 <skipped> N > Probably on the back.  As Larry said, you might have to take the covers off,L > but it will be there unless someone has gone to the effort of removing it. >  Hm.....-J Ok. I have VMS5.5-2 installed, is it possible to get SID using some tools?I Actually I didn't saw any SID's on front of frame and have absolutely NO  F idea how to remove back side of frame... Looks like firstly I have to I remove upper panel, then unscrew back panel but I cant see how to remove   upper one...   > < >>>>2. Why >>> show dev doesn't show VMS aliases of devices?	 <skipped>s > A > Your VAX 3800 is a Qbus based machine.  Your disk controller iso= > probably a KDA50, and your disk drives are probably RA70's.e > * Another question but your said it first :)A Is it possible to use SCSI devices in my VAX? Is there QBUS SCSI   controller anywere?      > Hope that helps, >  It did, thanks!    > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd. >     
 Best regards,r Konstantin Klubnichkin   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:22:22 +0400-/ From: Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru>53 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)t( Message-ID: <3D78AC0E.1080702@beenet.ru>   Roy Omond wrote:	 <skipped>$    G > All in all, I think you'd be better off trying to get one of the SCSI.? > based machines (I don't know how easy it would be to pick one< > up in Russia).F I see. Just lost one of that uVAX-3100/80 with SCSI.... Pity... But I   still hope to get another one :)     Thanks!H   >  > Good luck, >  > Roy Omondy > Blue Bubble Ltd. >   
 Best regards,l konstantin Klubnichkin   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:32:41 +0400t/ From: Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru>e3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)t( Message-ID: <3D78AE79.8090705@beenet.ru>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:\ > In article <3D7891A9.9000103@beenet.ru>, Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> writes: >  > L >>1. How can I get my uVAX-3800 System ID to get license PAK from  Montagar? >  > D > Look at the frame of the system (possibly removing the covers) for > a serial number.  7 Just visited www.montagar.com and tryed to get license:o  = Please enter the following information about your VAX System:y	 CPU Type:  CPU Serial Number:  ! Is CPU Serial Number same as S/N?-   Thanks!-
 Best regards,, Konstantin Klubnichkin   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 08:06:20 -0600b- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800) 3 Message-ID: <YYdZqLCZZ4BI@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  Z In article <3D78A5AB.5090201@beenet.ru>, Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> writes: > Roy Omond wrote: > <skipped> O >> Probably on the back.  As Larry said, you might have to take the covers off,sM >> but it will be there unless someone has gone to the effort of removing it.0 >> .	 > Hm.....rL > Ok. I have VMS5.5-2 installed, is it possible to get SID using some tools?  C It is best not to use the acronym SID when talking about the serialaC number that Montegar wants.  SID is the "system ID" embedded in thelB computer hardware.  Since the 11/780 the SID has not contained theA serial number of an individual computer, but rather an indicationi@ of the manufacturing plant, revision level, etc.  The SID is not what Montegar wants.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 09:17:55 -0600t- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)o3 Message-ID: <wGHdPyqTwzcz@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  Z In article <3D78A902.6030504@beenet.ru>, Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> writes:  I > Do you mean that Montegar wants "Computer serial number" and it should tJ > be on the frame, not burned number of processor board or something like  > that?r   Correct.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:38:47 GMTG0 From: rw@vorpalbunnyeircom.net (Russell Wallace)1 Subject: Re: Weird, but you get that - marketing.i/ Message-ID: <3d78a1b0.48829972@news.eircom.net>h  A On 5 Sep 2002 00:35:28 -0700, P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young), wrote:  E >My student email service intended for communication between studentsTF >and teaching staff only (OpenVMS/PMDF) today received an email, which >might be of interest. >hK >Of course, I did *not* forward it to our students, no more than I would be K >allowed to send one from Digital/Compaq/HP/SUN/IBM/MICROSLOTH or whatever.p  @ Why didn't you? If I was a student looking for a summer job, I'd; certainly want to hear about companies with work available.    -- a3 "Mercy to the guilty is treachery to the innocent."v+ Remove killer rodent from address to reply.F! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallacer   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 05:59:07 -0700i) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) 1 Subject: Re: Weird, but you get that - marketing.n= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0209060459.636c49b5@posting.google.com>o  e Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<62denu4f4spvq1pl6mpbr6nn3quahqcut8@4ax.com>...o< > >It is interesting as SUN is the first to have tried this. > H > You mean by email to IT support staff? As I said it is/was very commonD > by other means. We used to have a number of students work for DEC.C > Many practical based courses actually *required* such internship.n  B Sorry, I should have stated the whole situation a bit more clearly (something I'm not good at).  B No, this was an "out of the blue" request. I checked today and the= email originated not from Sun but from a consulting company.    H > Can you clarify as I'm not clear if the message came to you *from* the@ > "Administrative Officer, School of Banking and Finance" or wasH > addressed to them but reached you? If the former and I received such a  D Reached them and was forwarded to me. The admin person concerned wasD not sure if it should be forwarded or not, hence they asked me (evenE if it was sent *directly* to the email service I provide I would havea picked it up as moderator)  F > I suppose what I am really saying here is that I see nothing unusualH > at all in the situation you describe - at least from my two periods ofE > working in higher education (early 80s and again throughout most ofy > the 90s).h  D No, it was quite strange. I have not had a similar request. NormallyD the "folk that run things" would be contacted in a proper manner andC the way in which the information was given to the students would bea
 discussed.  9 > I recognise each institution will have its own rules...f  C The email system in place is very much "This relates to your courseoD directly" anything else is usually refused (student society and clubB email will often be sent, but only *once* per topic). There is not? much that I have to refuse as most people strongly support thisoE policy including students. (btw do you know how hard it is to get alln6 our 10,000+ students to actually read their email :-).  D There is a good reason in that I have to make decisions on what goesC out and what does not. If I'm questioned over it I have to refer it-I to management. A policy to make it "This relates to your course directly"mG is not a bad one since we avoid "They sent that, why can't we send thiss issues".  A Of course, if this had been in relation to OpenVMS and HP I stillHE could not send it out, however would be fighting an internal war with  myself for a number of months.  @ None the less, I do find it weird that SUN was the first, and it was marketing.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:07:19 -0400; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>vE Subject: RE: What features/capabilities would you like to see availab8K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA6F@rlghncst964.usps.gov>n  ) Same thing happened to me when I read it.]  0 At first my mind reeled, and I started pondering& what that did to the probabilities....  ( I thought ol' jf had finally lost it....   :^)w   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----. From: "Main; Kerry" [mailto:Kerry.Main@hp.com]) Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:32 PMw To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" E Subject: RE: What features/capabilities would you like to see availabe     Roy,  
 Ooooppps..  " Sorry JF, I did miss the smiley ..  E My fingers were engaged before the humour cells in my brain kicked ine .e   :-)w   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanth Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicesn Voice: 613-592-4660- Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----& From: Roy Omond [mailto:Roy@Omond.net]  Sent: September 6, 2002 12:23 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComDG Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see availableDA on OpenVMS? OpenVMS? OpenVMS? OpenVMS? OpenVMS? OpenVMS? OpenVMS?> OpenVMS? OpenVMS?>     "Main, Kerry" wrote:   > JF - > B > >>> I should be able to just type "j" and then VMS automaticallyE > completes it to "jfmezei" for the username, and I should be able tonH > type "i" as the first letter of the password and VMS should be able to  E > automatically complete the password field, provided that sufficienth? > letters have been typed to uniquely identify the username.<<<n >:G > That would be a huge security concern. Even MS does not auto-complete D > usernames and passwords. Remember that hackers must first identifyA > valid usernames before attacking the password for that account.   ) Kerry, somehow I think you missed the :-)    I thought JF was rather witty.  	 Roy OmondI Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 08:34:36 -0600m- From: frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) J Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on3 Message-ID: <KBOb9p8kabjT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3D77CAEB.67575070@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Sharon Guthrie wrote: F >>         Heck no, it's just that VMS is damned near perfect already! > P > If you're going to compete against Microsoft, you might as well compete at theP > same level: put all sorts of fancy features that look great for marketing evenK > though from a security perspective they might be a disaster. Think of the L > claims of productivity improvements that could be made with such a featureN > since hundreds of thousands of users would save a few seconds every day when
 > they login.   B 	Oooh, good point!  Microsoft has Clippy and the BobDog.  The VMS L engineers should give us some sort of animated assistant.  Maybe revive the ? Wombat.  How have we managed to stay productive without it???  r   :-)  Sharont   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 02:22:54 -0700n) From: jbrankin@ntlworld.com (Jim Brankin)XT Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS?= Message-ID: <863f19d6.0209060122.2c87c672@posting.google.com>.   My 2 cents worth:   B 1. A DCL interface to the lock manager. Lots of people think that ?    a lock goes away when an image exits. Its not so, only user  C    mode locks do that so you can use supervisor or exec mode locks sB    from DCL - they survive image rundown and disappear at process ?    rundown. So it would be possible to write the equivelent of uB    f$enq, f$deq and f$getlki. This would get rid of all those flag-    files and DCL loops with wait statements.    D 2. A DCL interface to an XML parser. I have not thought this throughA    but it sounds useful. XML is appearing all over the place and  C    the ability to drive a com file with an xml document could well .    find a market.   E 3. Interworking between the VMS and linux lock managers. It would notAA    be easy but there might be a market for a gateway between the  .    linux and VMS DLM's. The linux DLM page is 9        http://www-124.ibm.com/developerworks/projects/dlm     )   - Jim     ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D78199D.8CFCBDE5@fsi.net>... > Kenneth Farmer wrote:a > > 9 > > From the General forum on OpenVMS.org by Jim Johnson:l6 > > http://www.openvms.org/phorum/read.php?f=6&i=4&t=4 > >  > > ---------------------- > > O > > I'm interested in finding out what sort of features or capabilities OpenVMSAL > > customers might find interesting. I have a personal reason for this -- IO > > have a small company that might be interested in building infrastructure orrP > > integration products for OpenVMS, and I'd like to get a handle on what sorts, > > of products there would be a demand for. > > N > > However, I'm also interested generally. I don't hear a lot of conversationI > > in comp.os.vms or in here that I can see could translate into productgP > > opportunities. Is the market truly dead, or have we all just stopped asking? > J > Try a Google search of comp.os.vms for "wish list". I posted a number ofI > items a year or so ago, mostly pertaining to DCL programming and usage.a > J > Other posters have already listed some *VERY* good items in this thread.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 09:38:40 -0700 % From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips)tT Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS?= Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0209060838.27a1c405@posting.google.com>.  l Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3D77BAEA.B41861B2@blueyonder.co.uk>... > JF Mezei wrote:m > >  >  o > > P > > However, perhaps one idea would be the ability to "archive" a process. StoreP > > all symbols and process logicals in a file, along with current directory, pfN > > key definitions, command recall buffer and other process attributes. Then,P > > these could be restored later on. (for instance, you need to log off and logJ > > back in again to use a new DCLTABLES.EXE, but want to maintain all theL > > environment you had before, or you want to maintain your environment and5 > > restore it after a VMSINSTAL which zaps it clean.n > > 4 > > something such as PROCESS/SAVE=ALL myproject.dat; > > and                       PROCESS/RESTORE myproject.date > > L > > where /SAVE and /RESTORE would have values such as ALL, LOGICAL, SYMBOL," > > RECALL, CURRENTDIR, KEYS etc).  8 This is a good suggestion. I'll add it to my wish list.    > 9 > Surely this is all achievable with a DCL script or two?   E Sure, but that isn't the point, is it? I have a whole library full of E little DCL scripts that I use on my development system but if I go to7H another site, I either have to carry some sort of compatible media alongK or do without them. Scripts are fine unless you must work on many differenteJ systems. Odd how accustomed I've become to my own private command language& and how I miss it when I'm not "home".  C I've had these on my list forever. Even though I've written scripts F to somewhat perform a few of these tasks, it's frustrating that these F seemingly obvious needs for native cabability have not been addressed:  J    SHOW PROCESS /FILES[=LOCKED] process  ;default=ALL_OPEN, display statusC    SHOW FILE /PROCESS spec               ;displays lock status, toosJ    DIR/ORDER=[SIZE|DATE]/REVERSE spec ;should look a bit familiar to some.G    BACKUP/STATISTICS ...                 ;how could this be overlooked?b  A Those are just off the top of my head without looking back, and Iy? didn't google to see if others have the same wishes. These seem  so obvious, though.Y  
   DL Phillipsh   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 11:50:48 -0600q+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)rT Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS?3 Message-ID: <iwmPYMrOJVyl@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  e In article <af0dc2ea.0209060838.27a1c405@posting.google.com>, whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) writes:y   > E > I've had these on my list forever. Even though I've written scripts H > to somewhat perform a few of these tasks, it's frustrating that these H > seemingly obvious needs for native cabability have not been addressed: > L >    SHOW PROCESS /FILES[=LOCKED] process  ;default=ALL_OPEN, display statusE >    SHOW FILE /PROCESS spec               ;displays lock status, toooL >    DIR/ORDER=[SIZE|DATE]/REVERSE spec ;should look a bit familiar to some.I >    BACKUP/STATISTICS ...                 ;how could this be overlooked?b > C > Those are just off the top of my head without looking back, and I A > didn't google to see if others have the same wishes. These seemi > so obvious, though.k >   E 	I vote for that last one, definitely.  In fact, I'm dreading writinguC 	the parser for that to show throughput on backups.  But it must be  	done.   				Robe   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2002 16:45:59 GMTp7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton)eS Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? ! Message-ID: <P$pVRW8W5Tc2@rabbit>a  E There is (are) XML pasers in Java and C++, located on the "e-businessoO Infrastructure" CD (v1.3) that was shipped with our copy of VMS 7.3-1.  I can't I say if this is Xerces, and I note that this does not exactly fullfill thet; "wish" expressed in the note below, but is it close enough?   c In article <NtdMeS7tsPgL@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:-g > In article <9280A9BF9warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:5 > E >> Here's a couple of things that frustrate me in the last 12 months:0 >> 0U >> * An SMTP API that can do MIME encoding right (instead of those interactive tools e >> like MIME and MPACK >> eM >> * Programatic access to ODBC-compliant databases hosted on other platformsi >> s" >> * An XML parser callable from C > C > The Apache Group has one called Xerces, which various people have)D > ported to VMS.  I thought I read that VMS V7.3-1 comes with a portD > of Xerces on one of the ancillary disks (not part of the base OS). -- - Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"  "Lose the MAPS"@   ------------------------------  . Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:26:53 +0200 (MET DST)& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>S Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?n6 Message-ID: <200209060726.JAA24918@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  F I think there are a lot of things, that make the life easier. FloatingD point symbols and computing under DCL. Symbols, that could be passedB from child process to parent process. A keystroke to expand abbre-J viations. Information pass over network (e.g. free=getdvi(node,dev,item)).C Network test utility like DTSEND which works with all kind of media ; (10/100/1000/10000Base Ethernet), regardsless of protocoll.T& Pur TCP/IP network including RMS, etc.1 Online help if you double click an error message.eD Bidirectional PathWorks, that mean: support for OpenVMS disks, tapes and printers under Windows xyz.m   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 09:32:26 GMTs From: lars <lats@post.cz>hS Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? 2 Message-ID: <CFN375054759495718@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>   Multiline DCL commands editing- More Unix-like comfortable pipes, named pipess   Many thanks in advance :-))n Jiri  N On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:15:31 GMT "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote:  7 > From the General forum on OpenVMS.org by Jim Johnson:m4 > http://www.openvms.org/phorum/read.php?f=6&i=4&t=4 >  > ---------------------- > M > I'm interested in finding out what sort of features or capabilities OpenVMSeJ > customers might find interesting. I have a personal reason for this -- IM > have a small company that might be interested in building infrastructure ornN > integration products for OpenVMS, and I'd like to get a handle on what sorts* > of products there would be a demand for. > L > However, I'm also interested generally. I don't hear a lot of conversationG > in comp.os.vms or in here that I can see could translate into productrN > opportunities. Is the market truly dead, or have we all just stopped asking? > K > So, for right now, I'd like us to brainstorm a bit about what we'd really G > like to see to make OpenVMS better in our environments -- it could bet8 > additional VMS-specific features, portability aids, or= > interoperation/integration capabilities. Or something else.r > L > So, to get a discussion going, below is a list of things that have occured: > to me in the past that I posted in comp.os.vms in march. > N > I'd say "what do you want?", only that's got some bad connotations for thoseM > that followed a certain TV series... Instead, let's get some ideas flowing.u >  > Jim. >  > TP Application Building Toolsd > F > - A clusterwide, transaction-capable, persistant named property bag. > H > This would provide a simple to use container for name/attribute pairs,K > similar to clusterwide logical names, with the addition that the contents-M > would be automatically hardened to disk, and the access could be done underk > transaction control. > I > This would allow clusterwide applications to cheaply share data between@C > instances of themselves, and use transactions to maintain logicala > consistency. >  > - Transaction capable IPCo > L > $ICC offers a high performance local and cluster communications mechanism.K > This would layer on top of that and provide a fully automatic transactionmL > branch management feature. Thus, a client-server application would be ableM > to just issue a 'send' request while inside a transaction and know that the K > actions at the remote end would automatically be processed as part of theh > transaction. >  > View it as ACMS-extra-lite.y >  > - TIP interoperability > M > Provide an API that gateways between DECdtm and TIP. Include the support to G > actually connect and interopate with a Microsoft MTS based front end.B >  >  > Java Interoperability: > # > - ACMS to J2EE migration toolkit.m > F > This would process TDL, CDD, and the other associated files to buildN > equivalent JSP, EJB, and servlet structures. As well as supporting access toG > Java-only logic, this would either use an available infrastructure touE > connect back to an existing ACMS task, or incorporate one to do so.y > L > This would let an ACMS customer either interoperate with J2EE, or migrate,4 > over time, to a fully J2EE compliatnt environment. >  > - Other to J2EE migrationu > H > This is just a placeholder to point out that the other TP monitor-typeK > things that Digital shipped could also be migrated in a similar manner --o > DECintact, MessageQ, etc.i >  > -------------------------- > J > Let him know what features you would like to see available.  Respond at:4 > http://www.openvms.org/phorum/read.php?f=6&i=4&t=4 >  >  >  > Ken  >  > -- >  > Kenneth Farmer > http://www.Tru64.org > http://www.OpenVMS.org > http://www.LinuxHPC.org  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:20:37 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)uS Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?-+ Message-ID: <aladjl$sdq$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>o  _ In article <200209060726.JAA24918@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:  >Hello,m >. WHILE and FOR loops in DCL.l    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    G >I think there are a lot of things, that make the life easier. FloatingnE >point symbols and computing under DCL. Symbols, that could be passeduC >from child process to parent process. A keystroke to expand abbre- K >viations. Information pass over network (e.g. free=getdvi(node,dev,item)).tD >Network test utility like DTSEND which works with all kind of media< >(10/100/1000/10000Base Ethernet), regardsless of protocoll.' >Pur TCP/IP network including RMS, etc.b2 >Online help if you double click an error message.E >Bidirectional PathWorks, that mean: support for OpenVMS disks, tapese  >and printers under Windows xyz. >] >Regards Rudolf Wingerte >a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:32:01 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> S Subject: RE: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?]T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D95AA@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Roy,   Ooooppps.. =20  " Sorry JF, I did miss the smiley ..  E My fingers were engaged before the humour cells in my brain kicked inw ..=20a   :-)o   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicesl Voice: 613-592-4660o Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----) From: Roy Omond [mailto:Roy@Omond.net]=20e  Sent: September 6, 2002 12:23 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComtG Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see availabletA on OpenVMS? OpenVMS? OpenVMS? OpenVMS? OpenVMS? OpenVMS? OpenVMS?n OpenVMS? OpenVMS?M     "Main, Kerry" wrote:   > JF - >?B > >>> I should be able to just type "j" and then VMS automaticallyH > completes it to "jfmezei" for the username, and I should be able to=20H > type "i" as the first letter of the password and VMS should be able to  H > automatically complete the password field, provided that sufficient=20? > letters have been typed to uniquely identify the username.<<<e >yJ > That would be a huge security concern. Even MS does not auto-complete=20G > usernames and passwords. Remember that hackers must first identify=20RA > valid usernames before attacking the password for that account.a  ) Kerry, somehow I think you missed the :-)e   I thought JF was rather witty.  	 Roy Omondh Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:10:49 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>mY Subject: RE: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? OpenVoT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026609C5@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF -  @ >>> I should be able to just type "j" and then VMS automaticallyH completes it to "jfmezei" for the username, and I should be able to typeA "i" as the first letter of the password and VMS should be able tomC automatically complete the password field, provided that sufficientl= letters have been typed to uniquely identify the username.<<<   E That would be a huge security concern. Even MS does not auto-completekH usernames and passwords. Remember that hackers must first identify valid9 usernames before attacking the password for that account.s   Regardse    
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services. Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]=20- Sent: September 5, 2002 5:22 PM- To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0G Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see availableR on OpenVMS? OpenVMS? OpenVMS?o     Sharon Guthrie wrote:lE >         Heck no, it's just that VMS is damned near perfect already!e  G Are you kidding ? Not only does VMS still require users to press returns? after having typed in their username and another return for theIE password, but it still  lacks automatic field completion on those two  inputs.o  F I should be able to just type "j" and then VMS automatically completesE it to "jfmezei" for the username, and I should be able to type "i" as H the first letter of the password and VMS should be able to automaticallyG complete the password field, provided that sufficient letters have beenpG typed to uniquely identify the username. And there should be no need top press return at the end.  G If you're going to compete against Microsoft, you might as well compete.F at the same level: put all sorts of fancy features that look great forA marketing even though from a security perspective they might be aaH disaster. Think of the claims of productivity improvements that could beH made with such a feature since hundreds of thousands of users would save( a few seconds every day when they login.  G This feature alone should be sufficient to raise productivity levels inr: the USA to boost its economy and take it out of recession.   :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)w   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 11:28:10 -0600-+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)uY Subject: RE: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? OpenVa3 Message-ID: <W5MBfqulPw0T@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026609C5@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > JF - > A >>>> I should be able to just type "j" and then VMS automatically,J > completes it to "jfmezei" for the username, and I should be able to typeC > "i" as the first letter of the password and VMS should be able to E > automatically complete the password field, provided that sufficienta? > letters have been typed to uniquely identify the username.<<<  > G > That would be a huge security concern. Even MS does not auto-completerJ > usernames and passwords. Remember that hackers must first identify valid; > usernames before attacking the password for that account.a >   5 	To add to that, you want SMTP setup correctly or youh 	can do things like so:a   $ telnet node/port=25o- Trying... Connected to NODE.BLATZ.DOMAIN.COM.s  K 220 node.blatz.domain.com PSC MultiNet V4.1 Rev B-X ESMTP service ready at m   VRFY smithjy) 550 No information available for <smithj>A VRFY jackson) 250 Jackson, Michael <jackson@domain.com>    	And go from there ;-)   				Robi  B Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wonder G Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstreame> The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder  .                                 -- Neil Young    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:22:50 +0100o From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>eY Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? OpenV ) Message-ID: <3D78D65A.8E4FB06E@Omond.net>    "Main, Kerry" wrote:   > JF - >TB > >>> I should be able to just type "j" and then VMS automaticallyJ > completes it to "jfmezei" for the username, and I should be able to typeC > "i" as the first letter of the password and VMS should be able toyE > automatically complete the password field, provided that sufficientn? > letters have been typed to uniquely identify the username.<<<s >pG > That would be a huge security concern. Even MS does not auto-completeiJ > usernames and passwords. Remember that hackers must first identify valid; > usernames before attacking the password for that account.t  ) Kerry, somehow I think you missed the :-)    I thought JF was rather witty.  	 Roy Omondn Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:29:19 +0200s9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> Y Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? OpenVR' Message-ID: <3D78C9CF.3858F38F@aaa.com>L   And a  CASE construct. Jan-Erik Sderholm.p   David Webb wrote:p > a > In article <200209060726.JAA24918@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:B	 > >Hello,S > >. > WHILE and FOR loops in DCL.h >b   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 02:36:03 -0400k- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>hJ Subject: Re: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP)+ Message-ID: <3D784CC6.53E117C@videotron.ca>1   Dirk Munk wrote:O > All kind of companies and government institutions HP/Compaq is not allowed to K > mention. That is part of the tragedy. These customers rely heavely on therA > reliability and quality of VMS, and we are not allowed to know.s  K But it would be to the advantage of those customers to reveal that they areeN part of VMS' success. Not only would it make it easier for them to attract VMSN expertise, but it would also make it easier for ISVs to justify porting to VMSJ since they would see a market for their VMS software. Having visible largeK customers would also make it easier to sell VMS to new shops since it wouldp. give VMS a much better appearance of momentum.  M And if some truly critical applications were revealed to run on VMS, then theBE owner of VMS would be forced to take VMS more seriously in its public K statements etc. For instance, it is because it is widely known that NASADAQnL and NYSE run on Tandem that Carly had to make statements about Tandem duringJ the merger pregancy to ensure everyone was comfortable with the merger andH need not worry about the future of their critical tandem infrastructure.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:23:48 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>.J Subject: RE: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP)T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026609C0@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Dirk,r  F >>> All kind of companies and government institutions HP/Compaq is not allowed to mention.<<<   Re: OpenVMS Customers -.  : There are certainly some public testimonials available at:  0 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/9 http://www.iseoptions.com/about/technology_compaq.html=20SH http://www.compaq.com/products/software/ntenterprise/rtr/references.html> http://www.compaq.com/services/success/stories/ss_directv.html2 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/gsseries/quotes.html; http://www.compaq.com/services/success/stories/ss_tase.htmlt   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicese Voice: 613-592-4660A Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----( From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl]=20 Sent: September 6, 2002 1:54 AMh To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com F Subject: Re: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP)s     C.W.Holeman II wrote:n > JF Mezei wrote:r >=20 >=20H >>HP may not care about what the many outside the circle of the few very  H >>large and important customers think. HP may be focused only on keeping  = >>the remaining VMS large customers who generate the profits.  >=20 >=20- > Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten?2 >=20B All kind of companies and government institutions HP/Compaq is not
 allowed to=20cE mention. That is part of the tragedy. These customers rely heavely on2 the=20? reliability and quality of VMS, and we are not allowed to know.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:23:30 GMTp4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>J Subject: Re: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP)/ Message-ID: <3D78C6E6.BF9D1C1@blueyonder.co.uk>d   Burnie M wrote:  > G > On 5 Sep 2002 05:01:26 -0700, bobmarlow@postmaster.co.uk (Bob Marlow)0 > wrote: >  > >"C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii5@Julian5Locals.com> wrote in message news:<aFBd9.8528$LI2.565066@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > >> JF Mezei wrote: > >>M > >> > HP may not care about what the many outside the circle of the few very Q > >> > large and important customers think. HP may be focused only on keeping the > > >> > remaining VMS large customers who generate the profits. > >>0 > >> Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? > & > >No.of Vaxes or money? In any case:-G > >BP and Shell were very heavy users, though I don't know the figures.sD > >BAE Systems (Uk) would be big, I think, as they took what was GEC > >Other oil/defence companies?r >   X I think you will find aerospace in the uk is jumping off VMS onto HPUX etc as fast as it can.   > Barclays Banku   -- p tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk -  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:05:35 GMT * From: "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net># Subject: Re: XP1000 667 selling !!! ? Message-ID: <PAXd9.181395$_91.214172@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>i  A My eyes.  Assaulted with such power....and the ad for the TB raidn stack...oooh...e  < "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote in message) news:unfv0oddi1bf68@news.supernews.com...c www.hpaq.net     -- Island Computers US Corp.t 2700 Gregory Streetu Savannah GA 31404  Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332  International: 001 912 447 6622s  Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 dbturner@hpaq.nett www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:31:07 +0100 (MET)t9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>p2 Subject: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha; Message-ID: <01KM6SVH0I8S9QVFL2@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   B > Anyone know where the startup sound came from?  It sounds like a > grandfather clock. ,  E Well, that is an OLD Alpha system, but I didn't realise it was quite i THAT old!  :-)   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:25:06 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a6 Subject: Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha; Message-ID: <01KM6US51LJC9QVFL2@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>u  B > Anyone know where the startup sound came from?  It sounds like a > grandfather clock. e  E Well, that is an OLD Alpha system, but I didn't realise it was quite   THAT old!  :-)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:32:19 -0400; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>o6 Subject: RE: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alphaK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA72@rlghncst964.usps.gov>s   Dying RZ26 perhaps?t  5 Those things get really clanky when they start to go.m   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----B From: "Phillip Helbig" [mailto:HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com]) Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:31 PMc To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" 1 Subject: YEA! I have a working Dec 3000 300 alphaa    B > Anyone know where the startup sound came from?  It sounds like a > grandfather clock.  D Well, that is an OLD Alpha system, but I didn't realise it was quite THAT old!  :-)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.492 ************************