1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 07 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 493       Contents: RE: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB% Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK  Re: CSV2JPEG /BMP/???  Re: CSV2JPEG /BMP/??? $ Re: Disk size limit on Alpha-500au ?- Encompass - how long before I get a response? 7 Re: Humm, I am getting confused between a PDP and a Vax  Re: ImageMagick freeware) Re: Microsoft admits Windows is insecure!  New question Re: New question Re: New question Re: New question( RMS-F-SYN on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-2 Backup?! Re: TCPIP services: SLIP question  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast! * Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* RE: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)% Re: VAX / Network / Hardware question P VAXstation 3100 Model 76 SPX needs accessories, cables, keyboard, mouse and moniP VAXstation 3100 Model 76 SPX needs accessories, cables, keyboard, mouse and moniK Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS? K Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS? K Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS? J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?P Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? OpenVP Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? OpenV- Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha - Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha - Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:24:53 -0400; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> ! Subject: RE: Convert Blocks to MB K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA73@rlghncst964.usps.gov>    cerebroflatulence alert!   As opposed to VMS 7.2 on what?   :^)    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----6 From: "JF Mezei" [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]( Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:43 PM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com"=20! Subject: RE: Convert Blocks to MB      Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: ! > $ SHOW DEVICES DKB/SIZE=3DBYTES   % VMS 7.2 on VMS does not support this.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:00:25 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB , Message-ID: <3D790950.2986C364@videotron.ca>  $ "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" wrote: >  > cerebroflatulence alert! >   > As opposed to VMS 7.2 on what?  K When Alpha was introduced, there was much said about "VMS is VMS is VMS" to M denote that whether on VAX or Alpha, it was the same. I suspect that the same G will be said when VMS become available on that IA64 thing nobody wants.   M Therefore,  I do not feel that one should have to specify architecture. Until M Digital/Compaq/HP publicly admit that VAX-VMS is mature and no longer follows L Alpha-VMS, I will *ASSUME* that the feature set of 7.2 on VAX *should* match those on Alpha-VMS 7.2.   K Now, if the feature set of VAX-VMS does not match that of Alpha-VMS at same M versions, I just have to assume that it was a technical reason that prevented N the engineers from compiling it on VAX, and that there was no political/budgetG reason at all that prevented them from compiling, for instance, the PPP  interface on VAX.   L You'll note that I have heard zilch from the Curly/Carly/Stallard show aboutH support commitments of VAX-VMS. For all I know, 7.2 is the last version.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:19:05 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB ' Message-ID: <3D790DB9.B985DAA3@aaa.com>   1 And there is *a lot* of things today that VMS 4.7 6 don't/didn't support. I must have missed your point...0 Or did you miss that I sad that *7.3-1* has this
 new feature ?    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: ! > > $ SHOW DEVICES DKB/SIZE=BYTES  > ' > VMS 7.2 on VMS does not support this.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:31:40 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB ' Message-ID: <3D7910AC.FC5C7BBD@aaa.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > M > When Alpha was introduced, there was much said about "VMS is VMS is VMS" to O > denote that whether on VAX or Alpha, it was the same. I suspect that the same I > will be said when VMS become available on that IA64 thing nobody wants.   < I'm I part of your definition of "nobody" ? Well, I'm not !!
 I want it !!! > What else should I (we) run VMS on in 10-20 years from now ???     > O > Therefore,  I do not feel that one should have to specify architecture. Until O > Digital/Compaq/HP publicly admit that VAX-VMS is mature and no longer follows N > Alpha-VMS, I will *ASSUME* that the feature set of 7.2 on VAX *should* match > those on Alpha-VMS 7.2.   F Havn't VAX been, not only mature, but more-or-less dead for some years now ? E Does realy anyone still run on VAX because they *want* to run on VAX,  and not @ because they *have* to run on VAX ? (Well, hobbyists besides...)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 02:04:11 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB ' Message-ID: <3D7963FA.8D53DFB0@fsi.net>    Brian Tillman wrote: > G > >I checked the faq and it doesn't mention how to do this.  Is there a E > >simple way to convert the block figures I get when I do a "dir" to & > >megabytes which is the way I think? > H > Since each block is 0.5K, the arithmetic is straight forward.  A closeH > approximation is to divide the number of blocks by 2000 and that's the7 > megabytes.  For example, 2000 blocks is one megabyte.    Oops! Try again!  " DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say 1024 * 1024 1048576 ! DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say 512 * 2048  1048576   F A megabyte is 2048 blocks, not 2000. Remember: machines deal in powers6 of two, REGARDLESS of what the disk salesmen tell you!  D Remember also that 1K = 1024 bytes. Therefore, 0.5K = 512 bytes = 1 ! block (one track for one sector).    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 21:31 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB , Message-ID: <6SEP200221315176@gerg.tamu.edu>  1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes... % }"Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" wrote:  }>   }> cerebroflatulence alert!  }>  ! }> As opposed to VMS 7.2 on what?  } L }When Alpha was introduced, there was much said about "VMS is VMS is VMS" toN }denote that whether on VAX or Alpha, it was the same. I suspect that the sameH }will be said when VMS become available on that IA64 thing nobody wants. } H }Therefore,  I do not feel that one should have to specify architecture.  F That is all well and good, but you said VMS V7.2 on VMS. VMS is not an architecture.    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 13:20:45 -0700 + From: shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) . Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK= Message-ID: <bec993c8.0209061220.764b994c@posting.google.com>   h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<7cvWobtAfrXK@eisner.encompasserve.org>...  a > In article <3D773A8C.175EDB3F@trailing-edge.com>, Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> writes:    >   K > > Look in the listings for MOUNT, specifically SRCVOL.B32 and STACP.B32.    $ > > There you see labels of the form   > >    > >   F11V1  for ODS-1   > >   F11V2  for ODS-2   > >   F11V3  for ISO-9660    > >   F11V4  for High Sierra   > >   I > > The comments accompanying these labels read "Files-11 presentation of   , > > xxx" and index to the appropriate ACP's.   > >   E > > That's not exactly "ISO-9660 is ODS-3", but the pattern indicates   ; > > the guy who wrote MOUNT was thinking along those lines.    >   G > I interpret it differently; as just a list, not trying to incorporate   - > standard formats under a DEC naming scheme.   F "F11V1" through "F11V4" read to my mnemonic-spotting eyes as "Files-11K On Disk Structure Version 1" through "Files-11 On Disk Structure Version 4"  pretty clearly.  You're welcome G to disagree, if you care to explain what happened to ODS-3 and ODS-4 on  the way to ODS-5 :-)   Tim.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 01:46:14 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> . Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK' Message-ID: <3D795FC6.1D42D3E6@fsi.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > d > In article <3d78b4a5$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:= > >>As an additional alternateive the dd command seemed quite 2 > >>functional on Mac OS X the last time I used it > > ...snip...D > >>Sure it's a command line program but I don't think anyone "here"! > >>is afraid of such things :-).  > > N > > Well, I learned something new today.  I had no idea you would even _get_ a > > command line on a Mac. > 8 > Mac OS X is not the old secure MacOS we know and love. > B > It a variation of Unix with the Macintosh UI glued on the front.  E I'm told that it's built on a FreeBSD kernel. Dunno if that's true or  not...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 13:17:55 -0700 ' From: austinms@att.net (Michael Austin)  Subject: Re: CSV2JPEG /BMP/???= Message-ID: <a3a4dd30.0209061217.475044ea@posting.google.com>   _ lbohan@dbc..spamless..com wrote in message news:<j2mcnuopncb9eb2vkcqq508bklgnhuleri@4ax.com>... H > On 4 Sep 2002 11:13:35 -0700, austinms@att.net (Michael Austin) wrote: > C > >Does anyone have a simple csv2???? plotter that can take CSV and G > >create a web-viewable graph of that data (single or multiple items), I > >and given the fact that Unisys is now wanting royalties to use GIF, so ' > >a jpeg converter would be just fine.  > >  > >sample data: E > >[MON]Sample Time, [MON_SYST]Direct I/O Rate,[MON_SYST]Buffered I/O  > >Rate,... $ > > 3-SEP-2002 15:15:00.18,0,0,0,...$ > > 3-SEP-2002 15:18:00.27,0,0,0,... > > C > >This generated from an app that gets info from Monitor System...  > > B > >There is a PC-based viewer for this, but I would like to have a5 > >Apache/CGI that would accomplish the same thing...  > >  > >Michael Austin  > >First DBA Source, Inc.  > 3 > You might look into the perl  GD::Graph modules.   > A > Getting all the required pieces in order, is a bit of a chore,   > but doable.    > ? > I haven't found a way (w/ OSU http server) to do this without = > creating tmp files along the way.   Most examples I've seen 8 > appear to pipe a jpg stream to the cgi output stream.  > > > Below is a hacked up version of one the GD::Graphs examples; > A > to do something similar, using a CSV file for input, shouldn't   > (in theory) be too hard. >  >  > use GD::Graph::lines3d;   > use VMS::Stdio qw( &vmsopen );> > use constant TITLE => "Average Commute Time: 3D Line Chart"; >   1 > my $graph = new GD::Graph::lines3d( 400, 300 );  > my @data  = ( ( >     [ qw( Mon  Tue  Wed  Thu  Fri ) ],( >     [      33,  24,  23,  19,  21   ],( >     [      17,  15,  19,  15,  24   ], > ); >    > $graph->set( >     title           => TITLE,  >     x_label         => "Day", # >     y_label         => "Minutes",  >     long_ticks      => 1,  >     y_max_value     => 40, >     y_min_value     => 0,  >     y_tick_number   => 8,  >     y_label_skip    => 2,  >     bar_spacing     => 4,  >     accent_treshold => 400,  > ); >   - > $graph->set_legend( "Morning", "Evening" );  > $graph->plot( \@data );  >  > $fh = vmsopen(  # >         ">DISK1:[TMP]TEST.JPG;0"   >         ,"ctx=bin" >         ,"rfm=fix"   >         ,"mrs=512"  " >         ,"rat=none" ) || die $!; > ) > $bytes_in = length( $graph->gd->jpeg );  > $cnt = $bytes_in / 512;   > for( $j=0; $j < $cnt; $j++ ) {B >         $bytes_out = syswrite( $fh, $graph->gd->jpeg, 512, ($j * > 512));A >         printf "%d, In/Out %d/%d\n", $j, $bytes_in, $bytes_out;  > }    > close( $fh );     F Now, do you have a zipfile of a working GD on VMS package?  The ones I: have seem incomplete and do not work. seems to missing the subdirectories.    Michael Austin   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:46:23 -0500 7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>  Subject: Re: CSV2JPEG /BMP/???G Message-ID: <craigberry-73A3B2.15462306092002@news.directvinternet.com>   = In article <a3a4dd30.0209061217.475044ea@posting.google.com>, )  austinms@att.net (Michael Austin) wrote:   H > Now, do you have a zipfile of a working GD on VMS package?  The ones I< > have seem incomplete and do not work. seems to missing the > subdirectories.    Search the archives at  E <http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/vmsperl/> for GD.pm.  It's  F not a pretty situation but it does seem people have gotten it working.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:20:56 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: Disk size limit on Alpha-500au ? K Message-ID: <rdeininger-0609022120560001@1cust254.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   B In article <2002Sep6.052416@hujicc>, yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) wrote:   >Hello, L >  I had a broken 9GB SCSI disk on Alpha 500au. I tried placing a 36GB driveJ >instead of it; the VMS recognised it but placed it "offline". Only when IL >placed another 9GB disk there it came ok. I tried upgrading the firmware to1 >version 6.0 (the latest one) but it didn't help. * >  The VMS version is V7.1-1H2.  Any idea?  E I think you would do better with VMS V7.2 or higher.  V7.2-2 is still ) officially supported.  V7.3-1 is current.   J Older versions of VMS don't like generic disks that identify themselves asI SCSI-3.  At my last employer, we were unable to use a 36 GB disk until we J upgraded VMS.  The only unusual (for back then) feature I could see in theJ drive was SCSI-3; all the others we had then seemed to be SCSI-2 or older.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:32:27 GMT # From: NetBoot <netboot@netboot.com> 6 Subject: Encompass - how long before I get a response?5 Message-ID: <MPG.17e2da227616fe5a98971b@news.ptd.net>   B I've signed up for Encompass Tuesday.  How does it take to get an ( account and what should I do if I don't?   Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:43:58 GMT 0 From: Paul Winalski <prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com>@ Subject: Re: Humm, I am getting confused between a PDP and a Vax8 Message-ID: <vithnuob37vifhams00q85pdn2j56l2o52@4ax.com>  F On Mon, 02 Sep 2002 00:17:28 GMT, "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net> wrote:  A >I heard that the PDP migrated to the Vax, but are they the same?   @ I assume you mean the PDP-11.  'PDP' was the product designation& used for most of DEC's computer lines:   PDP-1, PDP-9, PDP-15 PDP-5, PDP-8
 PDP-6, PDP-10  PDP-11  $ and I've probably forgotten several.  = The VAX architecture got its start as the "Virtual Addressing B eXtension" to the PDP-11 architecture.  While the VAX architecture@ shares many concepts with the PDP-11  (e.g., rich set of operandB specifiers and addressing modes), it is not at all the same thing.  E >I know hardware wise they aren't, (I believe the PDP needed allot oftJ >negative voltages to work), but I heard that you can get a version of Vms) >for a PDP 11 that would work with a Vax.o  D Vice versa, actually.  The VAX-11/780 (the first VAX) and several ofB the other early VAX processors had a PDP-11 compatibility mode and7 were capable of executing RSX-11M programs.  The PDP-11nC compatibility mode (and the -11 suffix to the VAX name) was droppedm in later models.  A There may have been a PDP-11-based VAX simulator used internally u< to DEC for software development before real VAX hardware was9 available.  If there was, it was never sold to customers.       
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.a   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 15:54:50 -0700 1 From: randeg@alum.rpi.edu (Glenn Randers-Pehrson) ! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewaren= Message-ID: <4b254661.0209061454.38fedea4@posting.google.com>   _ Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de> wrote in message news:<3d771105$1@news.fhg.de>...n  f > Now I got the message that version 3.4.9 will be the last supported version for OpenVMS. I'm asking e > all users of this software to send an e-mail to magick-announce@imagemagick.org requesting further n
 > support.   That's 5.4.9 not 3.4.9.a  M The magick-announce list is an outgoing list only, like most -announce lists.a3 Mail sent to it will probably bounce or be ignored.a  H Sending us a bunch of requests for VMS support would be rather pointlessI anyhow.  The announcement explains that we've lost access to a VMS system/L for testing.  Send a VMS platform instead and become an official ImageMagick
 "sponsor".   Glennu   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:34:48 GMTy# From: NetBoot <netboot@netboot.com> 2 Subject: Re: Microsoft admits Windows is insecure!4 Message-ID: <MPG.17e2dab2444bf2c98971c@news.ptd.net>  > In article <d7791aa1.0209060959.3a1e72c9@posting.google.com>,  bob@instantwhip.com says...s' > Microsoft admits Windows is insecure e > ! > They're up to something, surelya > 1 > By Egan Orion: Friday 06 September 2002, 18:51 s >  > F > SPEAKING AT A .NET developers conference in Seattle yesterday, BrianB > Valentine, Microsoft's SVP for Windows development, admitted "WeG > really haven't done everything we could to protect our customers. Our-0 > products just aren't engineered for security."C > This is hardly news to the tens of thousands of technical support D > folks who've had to apply an endless stream of security patches toG > Microsoft systems (eight in August, plus two more already so far this A > month), but it's startling to hear a Microsoft executive openly ? > acknowledge that its flagship PC operating systems and officeoA > productivity applications are fundamentally insecure. This is a4# > stunning admission of negligence.  > H > One can almost hear the dry rustle of attorneys rubbing their hands inH > gleeful anticipation of class-action lawsuits for software engineeringG > liabilities. Electrical power grids worldwide must be straining underrH > the load as millions of inkjet printers are fired up by disgruntled ITG > managers preparing to justify migrating critical systems off Windows.R > F > It's uncharacteristic of Microsoft to be so candid, however -- even,E > or especially, with regard to issues that seem self-evident to justMF > about everyone else. The transparent dissembling of Microsoft's mostA > senior executives during their antitrust trial testimonies, theeH > marketing spin applied at product releases, co-opting of the computingD > industry press -- everything in Microsoft's public demeanor -- hasF > been anything but candid. Thus, one might suspect that they're up to > something here.e > G > The question is... what? Since this was a .NET developers conference,hH > after all, one might imagine they plan to push .NET as the solution, aD > sort of proprietary Internet firewall... that they'll control, andD > tax. Or they might be setting up their captive customers for theirE > Palladium initiative of Microsoft-specific DRM-enhanced PC hardwaretB > and software. Or yet, this might be an opening gambit to developG > demand for another crank of the revenue cycle for OS and applicationsXF > (Longhorn?). It might even be a ploy in all of these directions. One > might wonder.  > G > In any case, it's tempting to believe this wasn't just an instance of H > a senior Microsoft executive being too candid in a moment of weakness.G > A second shoe must be poised to drop. We'll just have to wait for it.  > ? > News site CW360 first reported this story, but it seems to besF > overloaded today, so we'll refer you to the discussion about this at    9 hmm, maybe that's why I'm going Unix! LOL,, Damn it Bill!    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:31:11 GMT ( From: Carlo <carlo.pettirossi@libero.it> Subject: New question1) Message-ID: <3D791EDB.611FCEF0@libero.it>=   Hi once again,  @ can someone tell me what the aim of the following code could be?   .... byte white (or logical*1 white) 
 byte black ....
 white="377
 black="375 ....  G I found this in the code I'm modifying for a porting operation. I don't F understand what such representation could be. Anyway it has no problemF in the compilation (nor in the execution) phase under VAX OpenVMS. The output of the variables is   white=-1 black=-3   i.e. value-378.IE Under Unix there are compilation errors. So I had to substitute theiro1 original value assigning them a "compatible" one.u& Thanks again in advance for your help.   Carloa   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Sep 2002 14:38:55 -0700* From: Richard Maine <nospam@see.signature> Subject: Re: New questionV1 Message-ID: <ueptvqyf0w.fsf@altair.dfrc.nasa.gov>o  * Carlo <carlo.pettirossi@libero.it> writes:B > can someone tell me what the aim of the following code could be? > ....! > byte white (or logical*1 white)  > byte black > .... > white="377 > black="375  E I don't recall this " syntax, but from context, it pretty much has toMA be octal.  377 octal would be 255 decimal, and 375 octal would be: 253 decimal.  @ If you plunk those same bits into an 8-bit signed 2's complement= integer (i.e. what pretty much everything uses these days fordE signed integers), they get interpreted as the -1 and -3 that you saw.w  C Why someone would use octal to specify these values (whether it wascA intended to be the positive or negative ones), I don't know.  Job 5 security, maybe.  (If so, apparently it didn't work.)0   -- hK Richard Maine                       |  Good judgment comes from experience;rJ email: my last name at host.domain  |  experience comes from bad judgment.: host: altair, domain: dfrc.nasa.gov |        -- Mark Twain   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 00:32:21 GMTd- From: "Steve Lionel" <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>  Subject: Re: New question5. Message-ID: <pObe9.325827$me6.38756@sccrnsc01>  7 "Richard Maine" <nospam@see.signature> wrote in message/+ news:ueptvqyf0w.fsf@altair.dfrc.nasa.gov...n  G > I don't recall this " syntax, but from context, it pretty much has to-C > be octal.  377 octal would be 255 decimal, and 375 octal would beP > 253 decimal.  D Got it in one... :-)  It's a PDP-11 Fortran feature supported by VAX4 Fortrtan but not the Compaq Fortran 90/95 compilers.   -- Steve Lionel Software Products Division Intel Corporationn
 Nashua, NH  . Compaq Fortran - http://www.compaq.com/fortranK Intel Fortran - http://developer.intel.com/software/products/compilers/f60/n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:24:57 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>n Subject: Re: New questiont< Message-ID: <howard-89DE0C.20245606092002@enews.newsguy.com>  ) In article <3D791EDB.611FCEF0@libero.it>,o*  Carlo <carlo.pettirossi@libero.it> wrote:   > ....! > byte white (or logical*1 white)- > byte black > .... > white="377 > black="375 > ....  . Octal constants going into one-byte variables.   -- C4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 00:22:27 GMTy$ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU1 Subject: RMS-F-SYN on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-2 Backup?c8 Message-ID: <00A13952.6FC9B2C3@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   AlphaServer 800m OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-2   N I posted a couple of days ago about my disk corruption problem.  It's bad, andJ I need to rebuild the disk.  Unfortunately, we didn't notice the corruptedK files until some time after the damage had occurred, so we're trying to putaJ together as close to a good working disk as possible by restoring an image@ BACKUP and the latest incremental.  The disk is an ODS-5 volume.  M Our backups were made with BACKUP as distributed with 7.2-2, and we're trying L to restore them with BACKUP as patched in the big roll-up patch.  The backup image we've got is:j  $                 image name: "BACKUP"6                 image file identification: "AXP72R001"B                 image file build identification: "X71Z-0050170003"  D Invoked with $ BACKUP MKC400:/SAVE/REWIND/incremental $9$DKA102:/LOG  G The image restore went okay, but the incremental displays two problems:   O (1) It blows up with RMS-F-SYN; we think this happens when it tries to update a-M particularly obnoxious ODS5-only filename, but even with /LOG it doesn't telle, us what it's doing just before that happens.   Cor_I^.D^._Plate.JPG;1O                         1048/1050      5-FEB-2002 13:03:13.92  (RWED,RWED,RE,R)n  t  D It blows up whether $ SET PROC /PARSE=TRADITIONAL or /PARSE=EXTENDED  M /EXCLUDE=  doesn't appear to work, although BACKUP doesn't complain about it.t  O A fix for this is reportedly in the 7.2-1H1 BACKUP patch, but the problem isn't'L mentioned in the README for the 7.2-2 BACKUP patch (which we believe we have installed anyway.)    O (2) We're seeing a lot of messages like this (with /LOG enabled) before it hits  the poison file and dies:   7 %BACKUP-E-INCENTERR, error creating directory entry for ? $9$DKA102:[DISK1.USERNAMENUMBERED.MAIL]01IYT17VYCQQA4O0TV.uid;1n* -SYSTEM-W-DUPFILENAME, duplicate file name %BACKUP-S-INCDELETE, deleted@ $9$DKA102:[DISK1.USERNAME.NUMBERED.MAIL]01IYT17VYCQQA4O0TV.UID;1    O When I look in the directory post-BACKUP-death, I see _no_ copies of that file./O (The files it's updating are ones where the filenames - even unto the version -mA are the same but the modification or creation date is different.)?  L This makes me think that BACKUP is creating the file, failing to enter it inL the directory because it is indeed a duplicate name and version number, thenO deleting the old file anyway, leaving us with no file at all.  This isn't how I K think BACKUP ought to behave.  Surely BACKUP can tell whether it has a realc duplicate name or not.  O Has anyone else seen these problems?  DOes anyone know of a solution?  I've hadnK a critical call in to DEC^H^H^HCompaq^H^H^HHP for a couple of hours, but no  answers yet.     -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:31:47 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> * Subject: Re: TCPIP services: SLIP question, Message-ID: <3D7910A7.9FCF7576@videotron.ca>   Another question:   J Is there a way to disbale a SLIP line without wiping off its configuration
 information ?w  J For instance, if I want my PDA to use asynch access to the vax (for ymodemK transfers, issuing commands etc), I would now have to TCPIP SET NOINTERFACEeI SL1. And then, when I am ready to use it again, I have to reissue the SL1e7 interface configuration from scratch. It can be a pain.    Is there a better way ?g  L It would be nice to have something like SET INTERFACE SL1/STATE=OFF and then /STATE=ON as needed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:10:35 -0400;- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!, Message-ID: <3D78EF99.9BFF6D27@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:8 >         The fact that Sun is trading at $3.60 a share,  J I don't judge a company by its current share price. That only reflects theK CEO's psychic abilities to predict what some random number will be 3 months N down the road and if he gets it right, the share proce doesn't fall, and if he% gets it wrong, the share price drops.   J As long as Sun is seen as the leader with the best Unix, the Unix with theJ most applications, the Unix with an available workforce, and the Unix thatL runs the internet, then it has a tremendous advantage over the others, and IH would tend to blame current woes on the economy and how Sun adapts to it. instead of blaming it on a terminally ill Sun.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 13:37:05 -0600>+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)"" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!3 Message-ID: <nI6PFjCRdXpL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3D78EF99.9BFF6D27@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:9 >>         The fact that Sun is trading at $3.60 a share,  > L > I don't judge a company by its current share price. That only reflects theM > CEO's psychic abilities to predict what some random number will be 3 monthsgP > down the road and if he gets it right, the share proce doesn't fall, and if he' > gets it wrong, the share price drops.- >   ? 	I've seen that fallacy discussed here before.  Funny thing is,CD 	most of the time (watch that) stock price reflects what is actually 	happening or about to happen.  @ 	Worldcom was strangely depressed stock even a year ago.  Nortel@ 	is trading about a buck a share (one U.S. dollar), their market+ 	cap was in the multi-billions 2 years ago.     L > As long as Sun is seen as the leader with the best Unix, the Unix with theL > most applications, the Unix with an available workforce, and the Unix thatN > runs the internet, then it has a tremendous advantage over the others, and IJ > would tend to blame current woes on the economy and how Sun adapts to it0 > instead of blaming it on a terminally ill Sun.    = 	Partial.  Sun would have us believe that.  Of course Dell isnC 	still making money, at Sun's expense.  Again, here is some of the r 	better analysis:0    M "As the weak IT spending picture weighs on the sector, Sun is also challengedyN by several company-specific issues," wrote J.P. Morgan analyst Bill Shope. "WeE believe that Sun continues to grapple with a core market slowdown ands increasing competition."  H In the low-end, Sun is facing a threat from the Microsoft-Linux industryN standard server vendors, such as Dell, he told clients. The threat is startingN to creep up into the midrange Unix server market, where pricing competition isO fierce. In the high end, Sun faces off with IBM and Hewlett-Packard (HPQ: news,V chart, profile).  N At least eight Wall Street brokerages cut their earnings and revenue estimatesJ for the computer hardware and services company, not only for Sun's current0 fiscal first quarter but also for 2003 and 2004.   ===o  E 	Key here is strength in numbers.  Not one.  Not two. Not three, etc. A 	but "at least eight" cut earnings and future earnings estimates.    	Focus::  N At least eight Wall Street brokerages cut their earnings and revenue estimatesJ for the computer hardware and services company, not only for Sun's current0 fiscal first quarter but also for 2003 and 2004.  < 	They have reached the puffery stage as growth is gone, they> 	aren't diverse, and are clearly unfocused.  Hence their stockD 	is at $3.60 and they shed a great deal of their top talent.  Zander! 	and Johnny Shoemaker, etc. gone:o  2 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,105430,00.asp   				Rob8  B Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wondertG Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstream'> The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder  -                                 -- Neil Young,   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:26:36 -0400c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> " Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!, Message-ID: <3D790F71.C7E43F4E@videotron.ca>  J One more thing. If Dell is seen as doing well in this bear market, I wouldI more likely blame it on Dell stealing wintel customers from Compaq and HP'# rather than stealing Sun customers.t  L In other words, it is far more likely that Dell is taking away customer from the new HP than from Sun.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:16:21 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>P" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!, Message-ID: <3D790D0B.1CD412BA@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:I >         Worldcom was strangely depressed stock even a year ago.  Nortel I >         is trading about a buck a share (one U.S. dollar), their marketf4 >         cap was in the multi-billions 2 years ago.  N Yet, Bombardier was able to sustain its stock price after 9/11 because its CEOM said that it didn't expect any cancellations. (even though the writing was on2L the wall, when Midway Airlines went belly up, guess what would have happenedH to its order for about 100 regional jets, and that is just one example).M Anyways, last week, the CEO admitted that Bombardier had had cancellations inaO the past year and that the outlook wasn't rosy and its stock price dropped 60%.9  K Nortel's stock is worthless because Nortel didn't have the guts to ussie oniK "very terrible news" story at one point and build from there. They releasedrL the bad news progressively, and every quarter, they issue more bad news, andI announce a few more thounads of layoffs. So every quarter, its stock getsoM pressure to drop even more. But does this mean that the companmy is worthlesswN ? It still has its legacy "real" businesses even though all the stuff acquired% during the .COM era may be worthless.d  O > "As the weak IT spending picture weighs on the sector, Sun is also challenged P > by several company-specific issues," wrote J.P. Morgan analyst Bill Shope. "WeG > believe that Sun continues to grapple with a core market slowdown andc > increasing competition."  N But that core market slowdown is affecting IBM and HP/Digital too. IBM's stockG dove very fast from the $100 range down to the $75 range as soon as IBMi. announced that its outlook wasn't rosy either.  G One can't judge the stock performance of HP because the merger adds newAL changing variables into the equation, and more importantly, Carly had warnedM that HP would be doing bad for a while while the merger is being implemented,vJ so one doesn't know whether the poor performance is due to the merger or aG more important core market slowdown which would screw up all of Carly's O predictions and jeopperdize the "synergy savings" that the merger was to bring.c  J One note: When Air Canada got its hands on the dying Canadian Airlines, itM bragged that the merger would make Air Canada the 10th largest airline in thewN world. But now that AC is busy downsizing back to its old size, it has already dropped down to 16th largest.   N The danger with HP is that the purchase of Compaq will not increase its market% share as much as HP had anticipated. a  J > In the low-end, Sun is facing a threat from the Microsoft-Linux industryP > standard server vendors, such as Dell, he told clients. The threat is startingP > to creep up into the midrange Unix server market, where pricing competition isQ > fierce. In the high end, Sun faces off with IBM and Hewlett-Packard (HPQ: news,r > chart, profile).  M But another article I read yesterday said that Sun's market share had in factmJ increased. In a bear market, everyone has bad news. But if one company canK increase its market share in such a market, that would be a sign that it isi doing something right.  P > At least eight Wall Street brokerages cut their earnings and revenue estimatesL > for the computer hardware and services company, not only for Sun's current2 > fiscal first quarter but also for 2003 and 2004.  J And guess what, that has happened to IBM too. I suspect that most analystsM don't expect earnings from HP for the first year since it is busy merging, soaK its stock is perhaps less volative because it is cryogenically frozen while.J Carly implements her merger. But once the analuys start to tell Carly "OK,H your time is up", then HP will be very severely scrutinized and if CarlyF doesn't perform as advertised, the HP stock will take quite a beating.  L By the way, the Deutche Bank employee that had change DB's vote from "NO" toG "YES" after some pressure from Carly/HP has recently left Deutche Bank.n   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 15:36:20 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)i" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!3 Message-ID: <mPlmF5CycO44@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  \ In article <3D790D0B.1CD412BA@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:J >>         Worldcom was strangely depressed stock even a year ago.  NortelJ >>         is trading about a buck a share (one U.S. dollar), their market5 >>         cap was in the multi-billions 2 years ago.i > P > Yet, Bombardier was able to sustain its stock price after 9/11 because its CEOO > said that it didn't expect any cancellations. (even though the writing was on.N > the wall, when Midway Airlines went belly up, guess what would have happenedJ > to its order for about 100 regional jets, and that is just one example).O > Anyways, last week, the CEO admitted that Bombardier had had cancellations intQ > the past year and that the outlook wasn't rosy and its stock price dropped 60%.a >   6 	Today Bomardier is $6, up a bit from its 52 week low.F 	52 week high of $20.80... a stock can be talked up, sure.  EventuallyE 	it tanks if things aren't well.  Sadly, Worldcom was a great example E 	of hiding things and at that Wall Street had them somewhat pegged.  2+ 	Their stock stunk before scandal surfaced.a  . 	Funny though, Scotty can't talk up Sun stock.  M > Nortel's stock is worthless because Nortel didn't have the guts to ussie oniM > "very terrible news" story at one point and build from there. They released N > the bad news progressively, and every quarter, they issue more bad news, andK > announce a few more thounads of layoffs. So every quarter, its stock getshO > pressure to drop even more. But does this mean that the companmy is worthless P > ? It still has its legacy "real" businesses even though all the stuff acquired' > during the .COM era may be worthless.s >   ? 	That's one theory.  But reality is their sales have tanked due-A 	to build out in fibre structures world-wide and the dot Bomb ...lA 	point is... it is accurately reflected in their stock price.  Go,8 	ahead, you can pick up a ton of Nortel for $1.07 today.  P >> "As the weak IT spending picture weighs on the sector, Sun is also challengedQ >> by several company-specific issues," wrote J.P. Morgan analyst Bill Shope. "WebH >> believe that Sun continues to grapple with a core market slowdown and >> increasing competition."- > P > But that core market slowdown is affecting IBM and HP/Digital too. IBM's stockI > dove very fast from the $100 range down to the $75 range as soon as IBMs0 > announced that its outlook wasn't rosy either. >   C 	But taking into consideration IBM is still very strong compared toe) 	the others.  Sun is on oxygen, admit it.e  Q >> to creep up into the midrange Unix server market, where pricing competition isPR >> fierce. In the high end, Sun faces off with IBM and Hewlett-Packard (HPQ: news, >> chart, profile).t > O > But another article I read yesterday said that Sun's market share had in fact L > increased. In a bear market, everyone has bad news. But if one company canM > increase its market share in such a market, that would be a sign that it isn > doing something right. >   F 	So what if their market share increased.  Their margins are crashing./ 	Why do you think IBM has a service focus?  WhygI 	do you think most major players are getting away from server hardware asE? 	a core revenue generator?  Even Dell realizes they have to tryt; 	the next thing.  Storage and printers for Dell it appears.k  @ 	Sun is in a bad spot as they are increasing market share as the@ 	margins slide.  Their profits will slide with them even as they> 	add share.  I'm willing to gander they won't continue to add D 	market share and even if they do, margins will drop and drop, thank< 	HP and Dell and Sun themselves.  But mostly, thank Industry 	Standard Servers ;-).   				RobS  B Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wonder G Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstream > The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder  .                                 -- Neil Young    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:14:09 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!, Message-ID: <3D79289F.FA759F9D@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:O >         So what if their market share increased.  Their margins are crashing.m  K If Sun's margins are crashing for real enterprise servers, then so are/will  HP's and IBM's.   H And if wintel servers margins are going down, then guess who can survive longest ? Dell or HP ?  K Seems to me that Dell would have the staying power needed to continue to bewM profitable as wintel server margins go down and HP would start to bleed moneyrS with evert wintel server sale they made, just as what happens with wintel desktops.e  L Do you agree that Sun is in a market (real enterprise servers) where marginsI make it much easier to make a profit compared to the wintel server marketE* which seems to be the focus for Capellas ?   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 20:28:22 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)u" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!3 Message-ID: <625ZyA1wz5cx@eisner.encompasserve.org>'  \ In article <3D79289F.FA759F9D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:P >>         So what if their market share increased.  Their margins are crashing. > N > Do you agree that Sun is in a market (real enterprise servers) where marginsK > make it much easier to make a profit compared to the wintel server marketM, > which seems to be the focus for Capellas ?    = 	I agree that unix server margins are higher.  I also see boxU; 	counts and Intel servers (4 and 8 way) sell in much highereB 	numbers than Sun 4+8 way.  Because Intel margins are thinner and @ 	counts are higher, increasing pressure comes to unix servers.    F http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nf/20020903/bs_nf/19264  N Technology research firm IDC reported Friday that in a server market dominatedL by less expensive entry-level servers, Hewlett-Packard's ( NYSE: HPQ - news)I acquisition of Compaq helped the company pull even with IBM ( NYSE: IBM -eA news), which dominated the overall server market for many years. e   ===.  ? 	Dominated by less expensive entry level servers.  Servers thatu9 	will continue to have declining margins. 1U and 2U, etc.^  F 	Sun is in a spot.  As you look at the 5 or so segments that make themA 	money, server hardware makes up a disproportinate slice of thoser= 	segments.  Hence, they are being downgraded across the boardP@ 	by Wall Street analysts.  Gals and guys that make lots of money? 	and spend lots of time studying the subject.  Collectively aren> 	the 8+ firms that are Bearish on Sun wrong?  Highly unlikely.   				RobI  B Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wonder.G Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstreamn> The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder  .                                 -- Neil Young    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:01:15 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!, Message-ID: <3D795DE5.A64C9FAB@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:F >         I agree that unix server margins are higher.  I also see boxD >         counts and Intel servers (4 and 8 way) sell in much higher# >         numbers than Sun 4+8 way.i  J It is a given that wintel servers sell in greater quantities. Dell has 160L wintel boxes acting as its web server farm, but a serious company would need1 just a couple of real servers to do the same job.a  I However, as the wintel weenies mature, they will realise the advantage oftN buying fewer larger servers instead of basing everything on virus prone wintel that is unweildy to manage.e  ( >  Because Intel margins are thinner andG >         counts are higher, increasing pressure comes to unix servers.   M This is Curly/Winkler talk.  The increased pressure on unix servers will come-D when Wintel crap gains the stability, secirity and manageability and! scalability and serious software.c  O >         Sun is in a spot.  As you look at the 5 or so segments that make them J >         money, server hardware makes up a disproportinate slice of thoseF >         segments.  Hence, they are being downgraded across the board" >         by Wall Street analysts.  K When you look at Compaq/HP's core wintel server business, they are far more'M reliant on hardware margins than Sun because they produce no software and paynK all the royalties to microsoft.  Sun is therefore in a better position than N HP/Compaq in that sense since they own the rights to Solaris and need not send/ all the of the profit margin over to Microsoft.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:07:47 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800) 6 Message-ID: <alaqu3$1o7dpc$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  = Well, actually SID is returned by VMS, like on my VS4000-90A:i  " $ write sys$output f$getsyi("sid")  	 318776834i  I The value may be absolutely useless one any vax other than a model 11/7xxiB for all I know but perhaps it is perfectly acceptable to Montagar.       Hans    . "Roy Omond" <Roy@Omond.net> schreef in bericht# news:3D78A975.5E972A61@Omond.net...t > Konstantin Klubnichkin wrote:  >  > > Roy Omond wrote:
 > > <skipped>sF > > > Probably on the back.  As Larry said, you might have to take the covers off,rL > > > but it will be there unless someone has gone to the effort of removing it.  > > >s > > Hm..... G > > Ok. I have VMS5.5-2 installed, is it possible to get SID using somea tools? > A > You mean by software ?  Answer is no (at least for that model).t >oL > > Actually I didn't saw any SID's on front of frame and have absolutely NOI > > idea how to remove back side of frame... Looks like firstly I have tohL > > remove upper panel, then unscrew back panel but I cant see how to remove > > upper one... >cJ > Going from memory, there should be a pull-down plastic door on the frontJ > of the machine.  There was a plastic key that would allow the door to beI > pulled down all the way to expose the buttons like "reset", "halt" etc. I > Without the key, the door would only go down far enough to allow accessaK > to the TK70, so that vanilla users could insert tapes but not gain access  to > the "dangerous" stuff (;-) >lL > Pull the door down all the way;  if you don't have the key, you'll have toI > do this by brute-force (it is possible!)  Once the door is pulled down,o there'spJ > a plastic piece that you'll need to pull out (towards you).  Having doneF > that, you should be able to pull off the front cover (it should lift upwardsrK > to unhinge it).  After that, it should be easy to dismantle all the others	 > covers.t >.@ > > >>>>2. Why >>> show dev doesn't show VMS aliases of devices?
 > > <skipped>, > > >oE > > > Your VAX 3800 is a Qbus based machine.  Your disk controller is A > > > probably a KDA50, and your disk drives are probably RA70's.e > > >i. > > Another question but your said it first :)D > > Is it possible to use SCSI devices in my VAX? Is there QBUS SCSI > > controller anywere?l > ? > There is a DEC model (KZQSA ?) which only supports slow stuff F > like CDrom.  You *don't* want this !  There were various third-partyF > controllers that were actually quite nice.  CMD definitely made one,C > and there were the Viking models from an Australian company whose7E > name I can't remember (there were at least two, one for disks only,gE > and one for disks and tapes).  Try looking on e-Bay, or some of thenG > resellers might still have them available (try Dave Turner at Island,s- > he usually has some pretty esoteric stuff).t >lG > All in all, I think you'd be better off trying to get one of the SCSI-? > based machines (I don't know how easy it would be to pick onem > up in Russia). >p > Good luck, >a > Roy OmondR > Blue Bubble Ltd. >!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:13:44 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)g6 Message-ID: <alar95$1ngrhl$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   [snip]H > Do you mean that Montegar wants "Computer serial number" and it shouldI > be on the frame, not burned number of processor board or something likee > that?n >lD The usual format is two letters followed by several digits. Example:
 AY95100737H I'm sure that there's a lot of information in it. All I know is that the leftmost digitC indicates the year the device was manufactured (in this case 1989).r   Hans   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:15:20 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)t6 Message-ID: <alarcu$1oq3ba$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  ? > Please enter the following information about your VAX System:e > CPU Type:  > CPU Serial Number: > # > Is CPU Serial Number same as S/N?u > H Nope, the cpu type is usually printed immediately above or below the S/N? and for the system that I used as an example that was VS42-AA .h   Hans   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:50:46 -0400; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>e3 Subject: RE: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)sK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA74@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   7 The next two digits (51) indicate the week of the year o in which the system was built.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----) From: "Hans Vlems" [mailto:hvlems@iae.nl]s( Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:13 PM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" 3 Subject: RE: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800).     [snip]H > Do you mean that Montegar wants "Computer serial number" and it shouldI > be on the frame, not burned number of processor board or something likeH > that?e >iD The usual format is two letters followed by several digits. Example:
 AY95100737H I'm sure that there's a lot of information in it. All I know is that the leftmost digitC indicates the year the device was manufactured (in this case 1989).    Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 00:05:32 GMT # From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net>n3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800) - Message-ID: <3D7942E2.730A89CD@earthlink.net>w  A For a VS3100/38 I put in "Vaxstation 3100 models 30, 40" from thepA pull-down list, and what appears to be the serial number from thesB rear of the box. I do not think there is any checking of the modelB and serial number for validity before issuing the license although? you probably want to get the "CPU Type" correct.  A hint to thehE meaning of the term "CPU" is the pull-down list is labeled "CPU Type" @ while it lists what I would call system types. If that is indeed? correct, then the "CPU Serial Number" is just the serial nr. onr the system box.e   -- Aaron Sliwinski     Hans Vlems wrote:i > A > > Please enter the following information about your VAX System:e
 > > CPU Type:e > > CPU Serial Number: > >n% > > Is CPU Serial Number same as S/N?t > >tJ > Nope, the cpu type is usually printed immediately above or below the S/NA > and for the system that I used as an example that was VS42-AA .  >  > Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:45:57 -0400q2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)nK Message-ID: <rdeininger-0609022145570001@1cust254.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>g  ? In article <3D78A5AB.5090201@beenet.ru>, Konstantin Klubnichkinc <kostik@beenet.ru> wrote:m     >Hm.....K >Ok. I have VMS5.5-2 installed, is it possible to get SID using some tools?HJ >Actually I didn't saw any SID's on front of frame and have absolutely NO G >idea how to remove back side of frame... Looks like firstly I have to aJ >remove upper panel, then unscrew back panel but I cant see how to remove 
 >upper one...   I IIRC, the serial number for this model is on the base, in the back of the E system.  If the base is missing, there may not be a serial number any  more.:   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 21:06 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)13 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)o, Message-ID: <6SEP200221061145@gerg.tamu.edu>  3 Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> writes...gH }Do you mean that Montegar wants "Computer serial number" and it should I }be on the frame, not burned number of processor board or something like   }that? }Konstantin Klubnichkini  D The "number" you are looking for should start with two letters whichD are followed by eight characters which are mostly (or sometimes all)E numbers. Something like "WF12345678" or "AB12345F67". (The two letteri) prefix indicates the place it was built.)h  D If you can't find it, make something up - as far as I know they haveC never done any sort of verification on it and just want some uniqueoE identifier (there are even systems that don't have any sort of serialrD number, particularly the various VAX emulators that run on a PC). IfD you can't locate it you might try "KONSTANTIN", which happens to the? the same number of characters as the old style serial "numbers" @ (the newer Compaq values seem to have had 2 more characters than the old DEC ones).   --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:06:27 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>. Subject: Re: VAX / Network / Hardware question4 Message-ID: <1020906160400.416C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ( On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Brian Tillman wrote:  F > >I've not dealt with a WS150, but I have used DR250's.  Since no oneD > >else has responded, I'll chip in.  You can connect to a DR250 andB > >execute Decnet-IV style management commands with NCP.  You use: > >l > >$ MCR NCP: > >NCP> set executive node DECRTR user foo password xxxxxx > ? > That should be EXECUTOR, not EXECUTIVE.  See HELP SET in NCP.   > Oops!  You're right.  I actually typed "set exec node ..." and@ cut&pasted it into my response, then decided to be a good usenetA citizen by spelling it out completely...  Urgh.  Should have justN left it alone.   --   John Santosw Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:29:42 GMTa# From: NetBoot <netboot@netboot.com>eY Subject: VAXstation 3100 Model 76 SPX needs accessories, cables, keyboard, mouse and moni-4 Message-ID: <MPG.17e2d97d50b87e898971a@news.ptd.net>  H Anyone know or has these really cheap?  It also needs a hard drive, but  not the rail...a   Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:37:48 GMT # From: NetBoot <netboot@netboot.com>sY Subject: VAXstation 3100 Model 76 SPX needs accessories, cables, keyboard, mouse and monii5 Message-ID: <MPG.17e2db57b1a026f498971d@news.ptd.net>P  H Anyone know or has these really cheap?  It also needs a hard drive, but  not the rail...t   Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 19:53:59 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)eT Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS?5 Message-ID: <9281AB7FBwarrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>   F aaa@aaa.com (Jan-Erik Sderholm) wrote in <3D77BFCA.D69AD051@aaa.com>:   >Warren Spencer wrote: >> B >> Kenneth,c >> uE >> Here's a couple of things that frustrate me in the last 12 months:  >> aB >> * An SMTP API that can do MIME encoding right (instead of those( >> interactive tools like MIME and MPACK >fG >Yes, the MIME tool is built to be interactive, but MPACK/MUNPACK workse >just greate' >in batch, if that was what you wanted.d  @ I'm looking for an API.  Sorry for not making that clear enough.   -snip -e   ws -- m   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer), The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:51:20 GMTa( From: Mark Hemker <hemker@insightbb.com>T Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS?8 Message-ID: <u4cinu47dcp3v5onk4tchpnjcr7usgvork@4ax.com>  D I created a COM file to do just this about a month ago.  I put it upC on my website: http://home.insightbb.com/~hemker/vms.html.  You can 1 change the file names that it searches for, I useo! TAPES:IMAGE_DISK1_6-SEP-2002.LST.G   Mark  C On 6 Sep 2002 11:50:48 -0600, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)t wrote:  f >In article <af0dc2ea.0209060838.27a1c405@posting.google.com>, whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) writes: >  >> eF >> I've had these on my list forever. Even though I've written scriptsI >> to somewhat perform a few of these tasks, it's frustrating that these eI >> seemingly obvious needs for native cabability have not been addressed:c >> uM >>    SHOW PROCESS /FILES[=LOCKED] process  ;default=ALL_OPEN, display statuseF >>    SHOW FILE /PROCESS spec               ;displays lock status, tooM >>    DIR/ORDER=[SIZE|DATE]/REVERSE spec ;should look a bit familiar to some. J >>    BACKUP/STATISTICS ...                 ;how could this be overlooked? >> eD >> Those are just off the top of my head without looking back, and IB >> didn't google to see if others have the same wishes. These seem >> so obvious, though. >> b >uF >	I vote for that last one, definitely.  In fact, I'm dreading writingD >	the parser for that to show throughput on backups.  But it must be >	done.  >m >				Rob   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 20:39:28 -0600h+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)eT Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS?3 Message-ID: <UN9SiMhf1neU@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  c In article <u4cinu47dcp3v5onk4tchpnjcr7usgvork@4ax.com>, Mark Hemker <hemker@insightbb.com> writes:sF > I created a COM file to do just this about a month ago.  I put it upE > on my website: http://home.insightbb.com/~hemker/vms.html.  You cann3 > change the file names that it searches for, I user# > TAPES:IMAGE_DISK1_6-SEP-2002.LST.. >   E 	Just the ticket.  You did a bang up job.  That saves me a few hours   	at the least ...c   				Robr   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:41:31 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>S Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?E4 Message-ID: <1020906153726.416A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ! On 6 Sep 2002, DL Phillips wrote:m [...]b  I >    BACKUP/STATISTICS ...                 ;how could this be overlooked?d  B I explicitly asked for this at a DECUS feedback session many yearsA ago.  One of the backup developers (don't think it was Andy) saide@ "Sounds easy and worthwhile...  I think we'll probably do this."3 (or words to that effect).  I guess they forgot :-(    -- s John Santosu Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 19:51:10 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) S Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?w5 Message-ID: <9281A6F48warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>   : sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote in <P$pVRW8W5Tc2@rabbit>: g  F >There is (are) XML pasers in Java and C++, located on the "e-businessH >Infrastructure" CD (v1.3) that was shipped with our copy of VMS 7.3-1. E >I can't say if this is Xerces, and I note that this does not exactlyjI >fullfill the "wish" expressed in the note below, but is it close enough?>  H Thanks, but as you noted, this does not fit the bill.  Our code is in C.   ws   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)) The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:54:45 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>S Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?a4 Message-ID: <1020906154203.416B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ! On 6 Sep 2002, Jim Brankin wrote:r   > My 2 cents worth:  > D > 1. A DCL interface to the lock manager. Lots of people think that A >    a lock goes away when an image exits. Its not so, only user nE >    mode locks do that so you can use supervisor or exec mode locks iD >    from DCL - they survive image rundown and disappear at process A >    rundown. So it would be possible to write the equivelent of uD >    f$enq, f$deq and f$getlki. This would get rid of all those flag/ >    files and DCL loops with wait statements. e  G I got a pair of programs called ENQUEUE and DEQUEUE that do this.  TheyH were written by Kent Gabrin.  X http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1992Nov13.090154.20177%40nobeltech.se&output=gplain   -- s John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 15:03:34 -0600o- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)iS Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?e3 Message-ID: <qhVQx4R0JcFU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <9281A6F48warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:n< > sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote in > <P$pVRW8W5Tc2@rabbit>: - > G >>There is (are) XML pasers in Java and C++, located on the "e-businessSI >>Infrastructure" CD (v1.3) that was shipped with our copy of VMS 7.3-1.  F >>I can't say if this is Xerces, and I note that this does not exactlyJ >>fullfill the "wish" expressed in the note below, but is it close enough? > J > Thanks, but as you noted, this does not fit the bill.  Our code is in C.  I How does that affect anything ?  VMS allows calling C++ code from C code.p   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 21:34 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)wS Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?., Message-ID: <6SEP200221344178@gerg.tamu.edu>  1 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes...ef }In article <9281A6F48warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:= }> sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote inc }> <P$pVRW8W5Tc2@rabbit>:  }> sH }>>There is (are) XML pasers in Java and C++, located on the "e-businessJ }>>Infrastructure" CD (v1.3) that was shipped with our copy of VMS 7.3-1. G }>>I can't say if this is Xerces, and I note that this does not exactlypK }>>fullfill the "wish" expressed in the note below, but is it close enough?s }>  K }> Thanks, but as you noted, this does not fit the bill.  Our code is in C.  } J }How does that affect anything ?  VMS allows calling C++ code from C code.  J It is very hard to call anything in C++ if you do not have a C++ compiler.  D Are you offering to give everyone who wants to use that XML parser a C++ compiler for free?   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:43:22 -0400l( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>Y Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? OpenVo* Message-ID: <3D7959BA.10506@tsoft-inc.com>  ? Ease up Kerry.  He had about 6 smilies at the end of that joke.o  P I think that if anybody would do such, it might be the idiots at MS that are so O concerned with spiffy features to show off that they wouldn't even think about nC the security concerns.  I can see them demoing these features.  :-)n   Dave     Main, Kerry wrote:   > JF - >  > @ >>>>I should be able to just type "j" and then VMS automatically >>>>J > completes it to "jfmezei" for the username, and I should be able to typeC > "i" as the first letter of the password and VMS should be able to E > automatically complete the password field, provided that sufficient ? > letters have been typed to uniquely identify the username.<<<7 > G > That would be a huge security concern. Even MS does not auto-completenJ > usernames and passwords. Remember that hackers must first identify valid; > usernames before attacking the password for that account.d > 	 > Regardsy >  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultantl > Hewlett-Packard Canada# > Consulting & Integration ServicesS > Voice: 613-592-4660( > Fax   : 613-591-4477 > Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com >  >  > -----Original Message-----7 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca] -! > Sent: September 5, 2002 5:22 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComlI > Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available  > on OpenVMS? OpenVMS? OpenVMS?4 >  >  > Sharon Guthrie wrote:  > E >>        Heck no, it's just that VMS is damned near perfect already!e >> > I > Are you kidding ? Not only does VMS still require users to press returnlA > after having typed in their username and another return for thelG > password, but it still  lacks automatic field completion on those twon	 > inputs.t > H > I should be able to just type "j" and then VMS automatically completesG > it to "jfmezei" for the username, and I should be able to type "i" as2J > the first letter of the password and VMS should be able to automaticallyI > complete the password field, provided that sufficient letters have beenwI > typed to uniquely identify the username. And there should be no need tot > press return at the end. > I > If you're going to compete against Microsoft, you might as well competeiH > at the same level: put all sorts of fancy features that look great forC > marketing even though from a security perspective they might be a-J > disaster. Think of the claims of productivity improvements that could beJ > made with such a feature since hundreds of thousands of users would save* > a few seconds every day when they login. > I > This feature alone should be sufficient to raise productivity levels in5< > the USA to boost its economy and take it out of recession. >  > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 01:55:55 GMTm1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? OpenVa' Message-ID: <3D796208.984B4CEB@fsi.net>h   JF Mezei wrote:r >  > Kenneth Farmer wrote:cM > > So, for right now, I'd like us to brainstorm a bit about what we'd reallyo: > > like to see to make OpenVMS better in our environments > K > Conversion tools to allow VMS users to read/use documents coming from theiK > outside (eg: proprietary microsoft file formats). In other words, retake,-2 > revive and rejuvenate the CDA converter library. > J > > This would provide a simple to use container for name/attribute pairs,M > > similar to clusterwide logical names, with the addition that the contents O > > would be automatically hardened to disk, and the access could be done undert > > transaction control. > P > It is called an indexed file with a record having 2 fields: a name field and aP > value field. ALL-IN-1 has had that for decades (the PST, personal symbol tableK > file). In A1 terms, any variable that begins with "$" is treated as a PSTtK > variable and is automatically fetched from and stored in the PST and thus  > survives image activations.t > N > However, perhaps one idea would be the ability to "archive" a process. StoreN > all symbols and process logicals in a file, along with current directory, pfL > key definitions, command recall buffer and other process attributes. Then,N > these could be restored later on. (for instance, you need to log off and log+ > back in again to use a new DCLTABLES.EXE,b  6 Does "SET COMMAND/TABLE=filespec" not do this already?   > but want to maintain all theJ > environment you had before, or you want to maintain your environment and3 > restore it after a VMSINSTAL which zaps it clean.  > 2 > something such as PROCESS/SAVE=ALL myproject.dat9 > and                       PROCESS/RESTORE myproject.dat. > J > where /SAVE and /RESTORE would have values such as ALL, LOGICAL, SYMBOL,  > RECALL, CURRENTDIR, KEYS etc).  @ Well, in the case of VMSINSTAL, I find SPAWN to be quite useful.   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:17:12 GMTI4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>6 Subject: Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha0 Message-ID: <3D790BB9.BD2EF88A@blueyonder.co.uk>  $ "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" wrote: >  > Dying RZ26 perhaps?- > 7 > Those things get really clanky when they start to go.(  E I seem to remember the RZ26L was particularly "Clunky" even in normals
 operation.    2   -- @ tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk n  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 11:13:10 +10009 From: forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth)l6 Subject: Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha7 Message-ID: <slrnanikl5.6l.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>e  ^ On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:17:12 GMT, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> gushed forth: >o >t% >"Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" wrote:  >> . >> Dying RZ26 perhaps? >> a8 >> Those things get really clanky when they start to go. >sF >I seem to remember the RZ26L was particularly "Clunky" even in normal >operation.e  \ I would've said "pop corny" rather than clunky. The RZ28 in my DEC 3000 300 sounds solid and\ businesslike but the RZ26L in an external enclosure has been sounding like it's about to die] for the last couple of years. Before that it rattled away on my desk at work for a few years.a0 Never known it to clock up an error though...:-)     --       Ooroo-	 Mark F...-  $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/:   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2002 21:16 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 6 Subject: Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha, Message-ID: <6SEP200221161666@gerg.tamu.edu>  = Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes...aC }> Anyone know where the startup sound came from?  It sounds like a: }> grandfather clock.  } F }Well, that is an OLD Alpha system, but I didn't realise it was quite  }THAT old!  :-)E  A I'm nost sure what sort of sound he means, but on old systems thetA disk drives spinning up could make a variety of sounds. SometimesdC it was a clicking sound followed by a bit of a whirring noise. This D would be repeated for each drive with a brief interval bewteen them.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.493 ************************