1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 07 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 494       Contents: Re: Active Directory+ Re: Burning an image with an unknown format + Re: Burning an image with an unknown format + Re: Burning an image with an unknown format # Re: Cancelling writes to a log file # Re: Cancelling writes to a log file  Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB% Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK 1 Re: Encompass - how long before I get a response? ' Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap  Re: Freeware submissions Re: How to create Sys$BATCH  Re: How to create Sys$BATCH  HOW TO SET UP DNS in VMS Re: HOW TO SET UP DNS in VMS Re: HOW TO SET UP DNS in VMS4 Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now? Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware9 Micro$oft exec says all os's stink ... forgets about VMS! 8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! Pine. Problem with INBOX + pop" Re: Pine. Problem with INBOX + pop Pine. Setting the client Re: Remote Site Cluster MemberP Re: Response to NIST's take on noon and midnight (was Re: Is the HP/Compaq merge SMTP server: VRFY: Security  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  RE: The Gauntlet is Cast! * Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)P Re: VAXstation 3100 Model 76 SPX needs accessories, cables, keyboard, mouse and P Re: VAXstation 3100 Model 76 SPX needs accessories, cables, keyboard, mouse and  Re: WEB Browser Text only  WEB Browser Text only  Re: WEB Browser Text only  Re: WEB Browser Text only  RE: WEB Browser Text only  RE: WEB Browser Text only A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on K Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS? J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?A Re: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP) A Re: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP) - Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha - Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 10:08:39 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: Active Directory ) Message-ID: <3GZUNq$+VVXz@elias.decus.ch>   i In article <ala0jv$2ik0$1@news2.ipartners.pl>, "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com> writes: A >> Anyone know of any horror stories I should keep in mind before : >> attending a Microsoft led seminar in Chicago next week?  B Try feeding "active directory problem" into Google. Take your pick' from approximately 920,000 articles :-)   < Seriously though, the first page contains a link to Novell's< comparison of their own product with Active Directory, which< sounds a good starting point. Select "Novell eDirectory vs. ( Active Directory" on the following page:  6 http://www.novell.com/products/edirectory/competitive/  A This contains snippets such as "Active Directory utilizes the JET < database (Microsoft Access*) and users are cautioned against4 putting more than 5,000 users in a single database."  B "Active Directory uses a Microsoft-altered version of Kerberos..."   >  > Sure. ? > There is a real pain in AD. Imagine a huge, worldwide company A > with AD implemented. If someone (mistakenly) changes the scheme 2 > it would cause to replicate the Global Catalogs.C > For a really huge company a global catalog may have size of 1 GB, D > stored on each DC, and it must be replicated from each to each DC.B > I expect this would stop any other data transmission for months. >  > T. D.  >  >  --   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 02:51:18 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 4 Subject: Re: Burning an image with an unknown format' Message-ID: <3D796F06.97F4C6B4@fsi.net>    issinoho wrote:  > [snip]C > And people, PLEASE don't start on about the whole image/ISO thing  > again. Enough already!  D Well, here's the deal: you keeping making the mistake and we'll keepB correcting you. You correct yourself, and we'll fall silent on the subject.   Fair enough?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2002 06:19:18 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 4 Subject: Re: Burning an image with an unknown format3 Message-ID: <sgOcRnNQ8btz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3D796F06.97F4C6B4@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > issinoho wrote: 	 >> [snip] D >> And people, PLEASE don't start on about the whole image/ISO thing >> again. Enough already!  > F > Well, here's the deal: you keeping making the mistake and we'll keepD > correcting you. You correct yourself, and we'll fall silent on the
 > subject. >  > Fair enough?   Good idea !    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:13:38 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>4 Subject: Re: Burning an image with an unknown format6 Message-ID: <ald1il$1nv6hh$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  ; "Steve Pfister" <srp336@getcoactive.com> schreef in bericht 7 news:45126e60.0209051503.2a33d981@posting.google.com... D > I've got some sort of OpenVMS 7.2 image file that someone was niceG > enough to supply me with a few months ago. I was able to successfully G > use it to install a copy on an emulator. Then, I bought a Microvax on F > eBay and wanted to reinstall the copy of OpenVMS on it. I don't haveC > the person's name anymore, and I don't think he ever told me what H > created it (assuming he knew in the first place...). Try as I might, IC > couldn't get anything to recognize it (I'm running w2k). I put it G > aside because the new hobbyist kits would be available soon (that was G > around May, and the kits were supposed to be out in July). Here it is G > September now, and the Microvax is gathering dust in my basement. I'd G > like to get something out of the image...I don't want to have to sell  > the machine. > C > Is there any way I can figure out how to burn this image to a CD?   K Perhaps it is a disk image file that may be used by a simulator, like simh. H Does W2K report a single file, like VMS073.DSK and a size of 534.542 kB?   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 09:01:36 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) , Subject: Re: Cancelling writes to a log file) Message-ID: <diFHjD716HrF@elias.decus.ch>   p In article <3d784bdb.484056@news.demon.co.uk>, Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) writes: > Yes, sometimes ... > E > It is possible if you make the code that encapsulates your activity H > log a recoverable resource.  It gets to participate in the transactionH > commitment process, and will therefore hear about transaction rollbackE > and commitments -- even if the system crashes immediately after the  > decision has been taken. > G > However, it is not going to be very easy.  How do you handle multiple D > simultaneous accessors?  Can they intersperse writes for differentD > transactions into the activity log, or are the transactions singleH > threaded within the log?  If the former, then erasing the intermediate@ > lines becomes very difficult, if the latter, how do you manage! > multiple simulaneous accessors?  >   A On a system I worked on many moons ago, transaction commits were  ? single threaded within the activity log so that all updates for > a transaction were grouped together in the log - i.e. only one? user at a time was writing to the log. In the event of a system > crash, the recovery system only had to deal with what had been= the current transaction at the time of the crash (assuming no & disks had been lost due to the crash).   H > Also, you will need to ensure that all transactions that weren't fullyH > resolved when that activity log was last used are recovered -- that isG > part of why you need to make the logger a resource manager.  How hard E > that is depends on how multiple simultaneous accessors are managed.  >   ? For the duration of the transaction, update target records were = locked (it was the programmer's duty to unlock a record if on C inspecting its contents, it was found that no update was necessary, ? to avoid tying up that record and minimize the locks consumed).   A This led to an interesting side effect. If 2 users simultaneously = tried to add a record to the same indexed file, with the same B primary key value, the second user would receive a "record locked"
 error. :-)  C Deadlocks and self-deadlocks had their own error codes, and a quota @ was there for the maximum number of updates within transactions,= to limit the resources a runaway program could consume before 	 aborting.   = As in JF's idea below, when no transactions were active for a D group of related files, the activity log was reset to the beginning.  D If all this sounds as though it would give a substantial performance= hit, in practice, it was surprisingly fast, even in VAX days, B and little record contention was seen. Naturally, this didn't comeG for free, as quite a bit of design effort was required to get it right.    >  > . > On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:54:32 -0400, JF Mezei' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  > ( >>Is it possible to do the following : ? >>M >>as a transaction is being processed, a whole bunch of logging is written to J >>file. If the transaction is succesful, then that logging is erased and a; >>simpler one line message is written to indicate success.   >>E >>This way, if the transaction fails (or programs crashes), plenty of M >>information is available in the logfile. But if everything works fine, then K >>that redundant information is removed to remove clutter from the logfile.  >>M >>Could one use "ftell" at the start of a transaction, write a whole bunch of G >>stuff, and if succesful, then "fseek" to go back to the start of that L >>transaction's log and then write the one line "success" message and signal9 >>that this is the new end of file until the next write ?  >  __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:28:08 -0000 / From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> , Subject: Re: Cancelling writes to a log file/ Message-ID: <unjvn8ps9gbi45@corp.supernews.com>   * Paul Sture <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote:C : On a system I worked on many moons ago, transaction commits were  A : single threaded within the activity log so that all updates for @ : a transaction were grouped together in the log - i.e. only oneA : user at a time was writing to the log. In the event of a system @ : crash, the recovery system only had to deal with what had been? : the current transaction at the time of the crash (assuming no ( : disks had been lost due to the crash).  - Does the company sell online lottery systems?    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 07:29:47 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB ) Message-ID: <n5IM$RqeTbZW@elias.decus.ch>   g In article <2119a17f.0209051341.237f1101@posting.google.com>, geff@excite.com (geff@excite.com) writes: F > I checked the faq and it doesn't mention how to do this.  Is there aD > simple way to convert the block figures I get when I do a "dir" to% > megabytes which is the way I think?  >    Divide by 2048.   ? (I'm sure this _used_ to be in the FAQ, but after a swift check ' I cannot find it in the latest version)  __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 02:49:01 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB ' Message-ID: <3D796E7B.EDD60D79@fsi.net>    Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > > O > > When Alpha was introduced, there was much said about "VMS is VMS is VMS" to Q > > denote that whether on VAX or Alpha, it was the same. I suspect that the same K > > will be said when VMS become available on that IA64 thing nobody wants.  > > > I'm I part of your definition of "nobody" ? Well, I'm not !! > I want it !!! @ > What else should I (we) run VMS on in 10-20 years from now ???  - (Boy, I'm gonna shot full of holes for this!)   F If we were three or four major releases into OpenVMS-IA32 by now as weF should have been, I'd say we'd be running it on the AMD-made successor8 to IA32 while Intel is still trying to get out a viable,, mass-producible, ready-for-prime-time IA64.   G At that point (2012-2022 CE), we'd be between 4 and fourteen years past E the predicted EOL of Alpha, but just bracketing the 25 year threshold F DEC set for it back in 1992. IA32 would be very old at that point, butG folks may still be nursing their W/95 systems along as W/98, NT, XP and G W2K will likely have crashed and burned majorly by 2007, hackers having D found a way to attack the kernel directly, and all those millions of> aging Proliants and their IA32 successors would now be runningG OpenVMS-IA32 instead. OpenVMS would again be a multi-billion dollar per H quarter revenue earner and Bill Gates would be the next Jimmy Hoffa, hisG evil empire a mere shadow of its former self since the Penguinites took A over the desktop and everything but the biggest back-end servers.    But, I digress...   = Many VAXes will likely still be running V5.5-2 in 2012, their > application vendors having abandoned VMS some 20 years prior.   A Alphas would still be the only production-quality 64-bit machines 0 outside of the successors to IBM's System/390's.  E Their future would depend on VMS Management luring back the ISV base, A which the denizens of C.O.V. would still be waiting for in 2022.    E Of course, those in charge of VMS at that point would be too young to G remember the vitality and market share that VMS once enjoyed, but would ? joke copiously about the doddering, grey-haired old farts still C dutifully tending their beloved virus-proof systems, bragging about H systems that have been booted and running since before WW-III began someG 21 months after the fall of the World Trade Center, and telling stories H of the glory days of "Vemis", or whatever the middle-agers interpret theF mumblings of the geriatric geeks as since by then language skills willH likely have deteriorated to a level not seen since the hey-day of MiddleB English. Even these posts will appear to them as incomprehensible,A esoteric gibberish that boasts a large vocabulary, but is largely  meaningless and of no value.  F VMS BACKUP, like VMS itself would be considered almost God-like in itsH conception in execution, well beyond the comprehension of anyone in thatG day. The legendary figures - David Cutler, Andy Goldstein, etc. - would 7 be worshipped as gods for their foresight and wizardry.   @ I'd like to paint a brighter picture of the future, but even theE positive thinkers I hold as mentors know when to admit that the glass  *IS* half empty!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:45:15 +1000 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> ! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB , Message-ID: <3D79BC9B.1060900@tg.nsw.gov.au>   JF Mezei wrote: N > You'll note that I have heard zilch from the Curly/Carly/Stallard show aboutJ > support commitments of VAX-VMS. For all I know, 7.2 is the last version.  G About a month ago, I installed VMS 7.3 on my last remaining VAXstation.n   Regards, Paddy        G ***********************************************************************l  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedv> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisesB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the M= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with aC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesc> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment."r  G ***********************************************************************V   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:09:10 -0400E( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB , Message-ID: <3D796DD6.7040900@tsoft-inc.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote:   > Brian Tillman wrote: > G >>>I checked the faq and it doesn't mention how to do this.  Is there amE >>>simple way to convert the block figures I get when I do a "dir" toe& >>>megabytes which is the way I think? >>> H >>Since each block is 0.5K, the arithmetic is straight forward.  A closeH >>approximation is to divide the number of blocks by 2000 and that's the7 >>megabytes.  For example, 2000 blocks is one megabyte.  >> >  > Oops! Try again! > $ > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say 1024 * 1024	 > 1048576t# > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say 512 * 2048w	 > 1048576  > H > A megabyte is 2048 blocks, not 2000. Remember: machines deal in powers8 > of two, REGARDLESS of what the disk salesmen tell you! > F > Remember also that 1K = 1024 bytes. Therefore, 0.5K = 512 bytes = 1 # > block (one track for one sector).  >  >     Q Sorry, I'll go with Brian on this one.  Remember, he said "close approximation", tN and dividing by 2000 will get you close.  With people using x.xx GB, and many G times ignoring the fractional part of the number, close seems to be Ok.f  N Gee, is this the same Dave that was talking about precision and accuracy last 
 evening?  :-)u   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:59:59 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MBa' Message-ID: <3D7A19CC.8E3F9EA9@fsi.net>a   David Froble wrote:  >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > > Brian Tillman wrote: > >.I > >>>I checked the faq and it doesn't mention how to do this.  Is there anG > >>>simple way to convert the block figures I get when I do a "dir" to ( > >>>megabytes which is the way I think? > >>>-J > >>Since each block is 0.5K, the arithmetic is straight forward.  A closeJ > >>approximation is to divide the number of blocks by 2000 and that's the9 > >>megabytes.  For example, 2000 blocks is one megabyte.e > >> > >  > > Oops! Try again! > >e& > > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say 1024 * 1024 > > 1048576p% > > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say 512 * 2048w > > 1048576r > >iJ > > A megabyte is 2048 blocks, not 2000. Remember: machines deal in powers: > > of two, REGARDLESS of what the disk salesmen tell you! > >oG > > Remember also that 1K = 1024 bytes. Therefore, 0.5K = 512 bytes = 1l% > > block (one track for one sector).k > >o > >s > R > Sorry, I'll go with Brian on this one.  Remember, he said "close approximation",O > and dividing by 2000 will get you close.  With people using x.xx GB, and many I > times ignoring the fractional part of the number, close seems to be Ok.p > O > Gee, is this the same Dave that was talking about precision and accuracy laste > evening?  :-)a  " DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say 200000/2048 97  DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say 50000/512 97    WOW!!! 3% error in both cases!!!  D If that's "close" to you, I'd avoid working in either the financial,5 healthcare or scientific industries, if I were you...e   ...just a thought. ;-)   -- m David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 10:36:44 +0200t) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)f. Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK) Message-ID: <rdWored12AUi@elias.decus.ch>-  b In article <3d78b4a5$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:; >>As an additional alternateive the dd command seemed quiteg0 >>functional on Mac OS X the last time I used it > ...snip...B >>Sure it's a command line program but I don't think anyone "here" >>is afraid of such things :-).e > L > Well, I learned something new today.  I had no idea you would even _get_ a > command line on a Mac.  D Although sitting at my Alpha now, my first message today was written< from the command line on OS X (via SSH to the DECUS system).   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland:   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:43:02 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>: Subject: Re: Encompass - how long before I get a response?6 Message-ID: <alcvq9$1pjohp$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  2 "NetBoot" <netboot@netboot.com> schreef in bericht/ news:MPG.17e2da227616fe5a98971b@news.ptd.net...yC > I've signed up for Encompass Tuesday.  How does it take to get ano* > account and what should I do if I don't? >e > ThanksL Encompass sent me the confirmation last Friday, midnight local time (UTC+1).L The associate membership request was sent last Monday. It'll take a few days# before the membership id is useful.    Hans   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2002 10:13:12 -000074 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>0 Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap6 Message-ID: <20020907101312.19055.qmail@nym.alias.net>  8 On 2 Sep 2002, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:  / %NEWS-E-BOZOESCAPE, killfile entry has expired.o  1 I'd be wasting my time responding to your points.    Bye - again.     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netu   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 03:06:05 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>I! Subject: Re: Freeware submissions ' Message-ID: <3D79727D.7F977573@fsi.net>s  
 Joe wrote: > H > Is there anyone out there who has submitted something for inclusion onC > the freeware CD that has any thoughts/feelings they might want tooD > share in connection with having done so (good, bad, or otherwise)? > C > I have a little ditty (probaby less than 300 lines - half of thatmG > probably comments) that I was thinking about submitting. No idea when H > the next CD is scheduled or if there even is a next one at this point. > F > I know the question itself is somewhat vague... In the last 10 yearsD > or so I've had an email exchange or three with VAXMAN. One of themF > centered around some of his past experiences/concerns over releasingG > things out there into the "freeware world" so to speak and I'll leaveS
 > it at that.:  = May I assume that his comments were less than enthusiastic orl encouraging?   -- a David J. Dachtera4 dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 10:42:15 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)a$ Subject: Re: How to create Sys$BATCH) Message-ID: <yrzYVKvyGJlO@elias.decus.ch>   p In article <W84e9.27553$%P6.7062748@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>, "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc> writes:, > How do you create Sys$BATCH AND Sys$print. >    As ever, use HELP:   $ HELP INIT/QUE EXAMPLES   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:18:00 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>$ Subject: Re: How to create Sys$BATCH6 Message-ID: <ald1qs$1opqfc$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  L Assuming the queue manager is running (check that with $ show/queue/manager) the command is:y  : $ init/queue/start/batch/job_limit=3/base_prio=3 sys$batch  H The attribute values are what I find useful, ymmv of course. Others haveL pointed you to the excellent on-line help that is available on VMS. ContraryL to other operating systems that either offer help in the form of an advancedK course in cryptography or trying to get you to read an entire encyclopedia,aL VMS help does offer a concise treatment of the topic and usually some useful	 examples.   9 "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc> schreef in berichtt; news:W84e9.27553$%P6.7062748@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...e, > How do you create Sys$BATCH AND Sys$print. >t > thanks >n >w >l >l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:03:43 -0400, From: "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc>! Subject: HOW TO SET UP DNS in VMSoA Message-ID: <MVde9.34060$%P6.7501848@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>p   Hi,sJ      I want to be able to provide dns servers from my internet provider toH be able to access the internet from my alpha using OpenVms 7.2 and TCPIPI (ucx) 5.0 .I'm been reading but nothing. I did set the default gateway as J 192.168.0.1 , which is where the internet server is. How can I place the 3/ dns servers that are provided by my isp. thanks 	 Francisco    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:49:47 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>b% Subject: Re: HOW TO SET UP DNS in VMSe, Message-ID: <3D79774E.9558F13C@videotron.ca>   Francisco Ortega wrote: L > 192.168.0.1 , which is where the internet server is. How can I place the 31 > dns servers that are provided by my isp. thankse   @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIGv  G Select core items, and DNS RESOLVER. There, you can specify as many DNSd servers as you wish..q   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:30:14 -0400, From: "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc>% Subject: Re: HOW TO SET UP DNS in VMS A Message-ID: <Diee9.34330$%P6.7569680@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>n  J By the way, I was able to do it with bind. If someone has the rigth way ofK doing it , please tell me, but what I did was enable bind, add forwared ande8 that's all. I think is working ok but still has problems   thanks  7 "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc> wrote in messagem; news:MVde9.34060$%P6.7501848@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...n > Hi, L >      I want to be able to provide dns servers from my internet provider toJ > be able to access the internet from my alpha using OpenVms 7.2 and TCPIPK > (ucx) 5.0 .I'm been reading but nothing. I did set the default gateway astL > 192.168.0.1 , which is where the internet server is. How can I place the 31 > dns servers that are provided by my isp. thanksn > Francisco  >  >  >l >u   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 09:35:12 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)l= Subject: Re: Humm.  So do we refer to it as Compaq or HP now?t) Message-ID: <oCNTT1rRaYAF@elias.decus.ch>o  e In article <al9oi0$apj$1@news.ox.ac.uk>, "John Macallister" <j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> writes:oK > It appears to be HP now. I received a letter from HP a couple of days agoaM > reassuring me of HP's commitment to Alpha and VMS. My guess is that it willy > become HP VMS. >   A The flyer I received recently specifically mentioned "HP OpenVMS"v and "HP Tru64".a  * It's going to take some getting used to...   > 7 > "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net> wrote in messagee& > news:ryXd9.13069$Jo.966@rwcrnsc53... >> I am getting confused here. >>J >> Allot of people are referring to the now combined company as "HP".  ButF >> aren't they still Compaq?  Is the trademark Compaq just now that, a6 >> trademark owned by HP...or is it the anyway around? >>B >> Won't they be competing with themselves?  HP-UX is still in the > marketplace,3 >> and if anything VMS is still being used as well.h >>I >> In these hard financial times, what limb will the company be forced tonI >> sever, or will they do like IBM (HP-UX = i390 / VMS = as400 ) and do a0 >> direct fight with them? >>I >> I am still a newbie to both the as400 world as well as VMS, but I haver > beenG >> working with HP, compaq and the like for all my life and I feel thata7 >> HP/Compaq could be something amazing....  or stupid.d >>& >> Remeber the fall of Packard-Bell... >>( >> The king is dead, long live the king? >> >> >  >  -- k __
 Paul Sture SwitzerlandM   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:07:04 -0400t( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freeware , Message-ID: <3D795F48.9050401@tsoft-inc.com>   Glenn Randers-Pehrson wrote:  a > Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de> wrote in message news:<3d771105$1@news.fhg.de>...  >  > f >>Now I got the message that version 3.4.9 will be the last supported version for OpenVMS. I'm asking e >>all users of this software to send an e-mail to magick-announce@imagemagick.org requesting further v
 >>support. >> >  > That's 5.4.9 not 3.4.9.a > O > The magick-announce list is an outgoing list only, like most -announce lists.l5 > Mail sent to it will probably bounce or be ignored.0 > J > Sending us a bunch of requests for VMS support would be rather pointlessK > anyhow.  The announcement explains that we've lost access to a VMS system N > for testing.  Send a VMS platform instead and become an official ImageMagick > "sponsor". >  > Glennn >   N That's a rather lame excuse today.  The last time I checked, belonging to the N developer group (CSA) gets you development hardware at 50% off.  For software O development, a minimal system is usually adequate.  So, you may be below $5000  L for everything you might need.  Say a new DS10 or DS10L.  Then there's used Q stuff that can be had REAL cheap.  I see "Ultimate Workstation" systems, two 533 eR MHz CPUs, on EBAY for under $1000.  An old VAXstation could be had for under $100.  N Don't know what new sales are like, nor what maintenance fees are, but unless I they're trivial, the hardware cost seems to be rather trivial.  It's the  , development costs that could be significant.  M If there truly are a "bunch" of users requesting support, it would seem that i% you're throwing away a profit center.   K If I were a serious user, I'd exchange my next X months support fees for a  # system, if you'd accept that offer.   . Or, are you fishing for a free system from HP?   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 11:37:56 +0200p@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freeware + Message-ID: <3D79C8F4.6040602@mail.tele.dk>e   David Froble wrote:i   > Glenn Randers-Pehrson wrote:K >> Sending us a bunch of requests for VMS support would be rather pointlessgL >> anyhow.  The announcement explains that we've lost access to a VMS systemD >> for testing.  Send a VMS platform instead and become an official  >> ImageMagick
 >> "sponsor".e > I > That's a rather lame excuse today.  The last time I checked, belonging sJ > to the developer group (CSA) gets you development hardware at 50% off.  K > For software development, a minimal system is usually adequate.  So, you  G > may be below $5000 for everything you might need.  Say a new DS10 or d > DS10L.     ????   What have I missed ?  / 5K$ and the second word in the subject does not, really match in my ears !e   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2002 06:18:05 -0600p- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewareo3 Message-ID: <oIpQpEWD+Jib@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  W In article <3D795F48.9050401@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:o > Glenn Randers-Pehrson wrote:  K >> Sending us a bunch of requests for VMS support would be rather pointless L >> anyhow.  The announcement explains that we've lost access to a VMS systemO >> for testing.  Send a VMS platform instead and become an official ImageMagick 
 >> "sponsor".   P > That's a rather lame excuse today.  The last time I checked, belonging to the P > developer group (CSA) gets you development hardware at 50% off.  For software Q > development, a minimal system is usually adequate.  So, you may be below $5000 *N > for everything you might need.  Say a new DS10 or DS10L.  Then there's used S > stuff that can be had REAL cheap.  I see "Ultimate Workstation" systems, two 533 iT > MHz CPUs, on EBAY for under $1000.  An old VAXstation could be had for under $100. > P > Don't know what new sales are like, nor what maintenance fees are, but unless K > they're trivial, the hardware cost seems to be rather trivial.  It's the i. > development costs that could be significant.  E The title on my copy of this thread says "Freeware", indicating to me . that sales and maintenance would both be zero.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2002 07:55:18 -0700l1 From: randeg@alum.rpi.edu (Glenn Randers-Pehrson) ! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewareu= Message-ID: <4b254661.0209070655.789a6ffe@posting.google.com>t  \ David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message news:<3D795F48.9050401@tsoft-inc.com>... > Glenn Randers-Pehrson wrote: > c > > Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de> wrote in message news:<3d771105$1@news.fhg.de>...: > > h > >>Now I got the message that version 3.4.9 will be the last supported version for OpenVMS. I'm asking g > >>all users of this software to send an e-mail to magick-announce@imagemagick.org requesting further o > >>support.  L > > Sending us a bunch of requests for VMS support would be rather pointlessM > > anyhow.  The announcement explains that we've lost access to a VMS systeme  P > That's a rather lame excuse today.  The last time I checked, belonging to the P > developer group (CSA) gets you development hardware at 50% off.  For software Q > development, a minimal system is usually adequate.  So, you may be below $5000 4  > for everything you might need.  K $5000 in hardware for each platform we need to support.... say $100k total?S  O > If there truly are a "bunch" of users requesting support, it would seem that r' > you're throwing away a profit center.e  J Our business model doesn't involve profit, or even income.  ImageMagick is< a pro bono operation and the code is free/libre/open source.  M > If I were a serious user, I'd exchange my next X months support fees for a f% > system, if you'd accept that offer.m  $ We don't charge anyone support fees.  0 > Or, are you fishing for a free system from HP?  H Not from HP in particular.  Also we don't actually need the system, justM access to one, with a couple hundred MB disc quota and sufficient permissionsRF to be able to install software in the usual places.  We have a similar( requirement for access to an SGI system.   Glenn    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2002 15:19:20 -0000s4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewareg5 Message-ID: <20020907151920.4534.qmail@nym.alias.net>a  A On 7 Sep 2002, randeg@alum.rpi.edu (Glenn Randers-Pehrson) wrote:t   <snip>  I >Not from HP in particular.  Also we don't actually need the system, justnN >access to one, with a couple hundred MB disc quota and sufficient permissionsG >to be able to install software in the usual places.  We have a similar ) >requirement for access to an SGI system.2  H There are a few VMS systems on the web that you can get at *remotely*. IF run one, but I am not certain it could meet your needs. However, if itI would, I'd be happy to install any additional software you might need and0J grant you the disk quotas. What may be an issue is precisely what you mean by "sufficient permissions".     Doc. -- e6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.neto   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2002 08:40:47 -0700 1 From: randeg@alum.rpi.edu (Glenn Randers-Pehrson)r! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewaren= Message-ID: <4b254661.0209070740.49ad17fa@posting.google.com>C  ` Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message news:<3D79C8F4.6040602@mail.tele.dk>... > David Froble wrote:i >   > > Glenn Randers-Pehrson wrote:M > >> Sending us a bunch of requests for VMS support would be rather pointlesseN > >> anyhow.  The announcement explains that we've lost access to a VMS systemF > >> for testing.  Send a VMS platform instead and become an official  > >> ImageMagick > >> "sponsor".t > > K > > That's a rather lame excuse today.  The last time I checked, belonging  L > > to the developer group (CSA) gets you development hardware at 50% off.  M > > For software development, a minimal system is usually adequate.  So, you >I > > may be below $5000 for everything you might need.  Say a new DS10 or  
 > > DS10L. >  >  > ???? >  > What have I missed ? > 1 > 5K$ and the second word in the subject does notr > really match in my ears !s >  > Arne  C Don't be alarmed.  He is suggesting that the people who provide youeJ ImageMagick for free pay $5000 for hardware so they can continue to do so.G It'll continue to be free to you, but possibly no longer tuned for VMS, 0 if they don't locate a VMS development platform.   Glenn-   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 19:05:34 +0200l. From: Herbert Stoeri <stoeri@iap.tuwien.ac.at>! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewaree- Message-ID: <3D7A31DE.50008@iap.tuwien.ac.at>s   Glenn Randers-Pehrson wrote:a > Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de> wrote in message news:<3d771105$1@news.fhg.de>...E >  > f >>Now I got the message that version 3.4.9 will be the last supported version for OpenVMS. I'm asking e >>all users of this software to send an e-mail to magick-announce@imagemagick.org requesting further t
 >>support. >  >  > That's 5.4.9 not 3.4.9.e > O > The magick-announce list is an outgoing list only, like most -announce lists. 5 > Mail sent to it will probably bounce or be ignored.r > J > Sending us a bunch of requests for VMS support would be rather pointlessK > anyhow.  The announcement explains that we've lost access to a VMS systemaN > for testing.  Send a VMS platform instead and become an official ImageMagick > "sponsor". >  > Glenni  > If that's the problem, I might be able to help with an account> with ample quotas on a cluster of two DS10's with good networkB connectivity. Even remote X tunneled through ssh might be possible> off peak hours. Unfortunately, I dont' have a VAX anymore. The= system is now  VMS 7.2-1 and will be 7.3 soon. All compilers,u? MMS, etc are available. I can install extra software if needed.f  C I would have to check the conditions of our campus license. I don'te expect problems here, however.   HerberteD +---------------------------------+--------------------------------+D | Herbert Stoeri                  | Phone: ++43(1)58801/13460      |D | Institut fuer Allgemeine Physik | Fax:   ++43(1)58801/13499      |D | Technische Universitaet Wien    | email: stoeri@iap.tuwien.ac.at |D | Wiedner Hauptstrasse 8-10       |                                |D | A-1040 Wien                     | http://www.iap.tuwien.ac.at/   |D | Austria                         |                                |D +---------------------------------+--------------------------------+   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2002 10:20:04 -0700l1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)o! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewareo- Message-ID: <JxxAvqy4tTRE@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>b  > In article <4b254661.0209070740.49ad17fa@posting.google.com>, 7     randeg@alum.rpi.edu (Glenn Randers-Pehrson) writes:- >> - >> What have I missed ?a >>  2 >> 5K$ and the second word in the subject does not >> really match in my ears ! >>   >> Arnes > E > Don't be alarmed.  He is suggesting that the people who provide you5L > ImageMagick for free pay $5000 for hardware so they can continue to do so.I > It'll continue to be free to you, but possibly no longer tuned for VMS,u2 > if they don't locate a VMS development platform. >   D  ISTM that one can purchase a DS10L with 512MB and a 60GB hard drive? for under $1000 ( see http://www.islandco.com for an example ).H  >  If this software is being developed strictly as freeware ( noB licensing or support charges ) I would think you would qualify for? a hobbyist license, so there's no OS or layered product costs. b= If you are based at an educational institution you could alsoa4 likely qualify under the OpenVMS Edu license program (http://www.openvmsedu.com)-  I  I don't use this software and I can't comment on the number of potential D users, but if you can't find say 20 VMS users who'll each donate $50J ( or 50 users to donate $20 ) then I suppose there really isn't any demand0 for a VMS version and you might as well drop it.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2002 06:41:43 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)B Subject: Micro$oft exec says all os's stink ... forgets about VMS!; Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0209070541.ad855a@posting.google.com>-  B got it right except for the last line, he must not know about VMS!    +  Lead Windows developer bugged by security D   By Matt Berger - September 5, 2002 1:46 pm PT     0  SEATTLE -- BRIAN Valentine says he's not proud.  F The senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows developmentE team has reason not to be. One of his most notable works, the WindowsmE 2000 operating system, has a security record that is nothing to boast.8 about. In fact, it's downright dismal, many experts say.  D Security bulletins warning of holes and vulnerabilities in Microsoft? operating systems are a regular occurrence. Late Wednesday, the < company released a bulletin warning of a flaw in its digitalC certificate technology that could allow attackers to steal a user'soA credit card information. It is the second security bulletin to bee issued this month.  E In August, Microsoft warned in one of eight security bulletins issuedaE that month, that many of its customers have experienced "an increasedEB amount of hacking," in their various Windows systems. The Redmond,@ Wash., company has yet to identify the root of the problem, onlyE saying that it has noticed some major similarities between the stringE of hack attacks.  D "As of August 2002, the PSS [Product Support Services] Security TeamB has not been able to determine the technique that is being used to? gain access to the computer," the company wrote in its securitya bulletin posted on August 30.    In short, Microsoft is stumped.r  C It is a case in point of the problems that the company is currentlysA facing as it struggles to release more secure code around its new F generation of .Net software and win redemption from customers who haveF been burned by buggy products. Its latest attempt to fight the problemE is embodied in a company-wide effort called the Trustworthy ComputingtB Initiative. As that effort lumbers to show results, the company is# filling in the gaps with apologies.n  E "I'm not proud," Valentine said, as he spoke to a crowd of developers C here at the company's Windows .Net Server developer conference. "We D really haven't done everything we could to protect our customers ...2 Our products just aren't engineered for security."  @ The Windows 2000 operating system has been pummeled by continualC security holes, some so widespread that they have resulted in major F damage to computer systems around the world. Most notable are the CodeC Red and Nimda worms, which exploit a vulnerability in the operatings system.w  D Customers seem to agree that Microsoft's spotty record with securityF has been a detriment to their own development of computer systems. OneE Windows systems consultant here, who wished to remain anonymous, said ? that security issues with Microsoft's IIS (Internet information C Server) Web server have left a bad taste in many customers' mouths.n  B "Some of the customers I've worked with simply won't use IIS," theB systems consultant said. "That's bad for us. We're losing business because of it.">  E Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing Initiative, which was launched witha? a memo from Bill Gates, Microsoft's chairman and chief software < architect, has become the blanket program that resulted fromE Microsoft's revelations. With the launch of the initiative, MicrosoftS@ halted production on new code in all of its products and chargedE employees with scanning through every line of existing code in search  of vulnerabilities.o  D "We realized that we couldn't continue with the way we were building@ software and expect to deliver secure products," Valentine said.  ? But the company is dealing with a problem that isn't going away>E anytime soon. Valentine noted here that as the company works to shore-; up its products, the security dilemma will evolve with more  sophisticated hackers.  F "It's impossible to solve the problem completely," Valentine said. "AsB we solve these problems there are hackers who are going to come up with new ones.  " "There's no end to this," he said.  A During Microsoft's early years, security didn't drive the way thenE company built its software, said Michael Cherry, lead systems analystl8 at independent research company Directions on Microsoft.  @ "If you go back a few years, unless you were working on login atB Microsoft, you really didn't worry about security. The risk wasn't worth the effort," Cherry said.s  @ One reason is because many of the early hackers who drilled intoB Windows didn't disrupt business with their hack attacks, ValentineF noted. Rather they were just out for glory. But in the past year, manyB of the hacks launched against Microsoft software, most notably theC Code Red and Nimda worms, have been malicious, going after businesst; processes, and in many cases shutting those processes down.   A "They went from glory hackers to what I call digital terrorists,"  Valentine said.e  B Microsoft has also been employing new tools developed by Microsoft> Research that are designed to detect errors in code during the$ development process, Valentine said.  C Adam Kolawa, CEO of ParaSoft, a company that makes error-preventionHA tools used by IBM, said Microsoft has long ignored the problem ofrA fixing code when it is being produced. "Microsoft is paying a lipn& service to this problem," Kolawa said.  D It is not only Microsoft that is to blame for the creation of faulty? software, said Chandra Mugunda, a software consultant with DellcD Computer in Round Rock, Texas, who attended Valentine's presentation here.p  F "It's an industry-wide problem, it's not just a Microsoft problem," heF said. "But they're the leaders, and they should take the lead to solve these problems"r  E Valentine, too, took the opportunity to point out the widespread bugs,A that have been discovered in competing operating products such as< Linux and Unix..  A "Every operating system out there is about equal in the number of02 vulnerabilities reported," he said. "We all suck."   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 11:07:49 +0200r9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>eA Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!n' Message-ID: <3D79C1E5.FBE41BCB@aaa.com>f  C Yes, but the *real* problem here, is that thoses (or most of those)sE reading eWeek (or just about any other weekly gloosy paper) don *not*p/ read either The Inquirer or the MS advisorys...    Jan-Erik Sderholm.p   John Vottero wrote:i >  > I > The best laugh I've had in years!!  First I read this thread and the MS M > advisory and then I open this weeks eWeek.  Microsoft has a 5 page fold out  > ad that reads: > ! > "There's a new ___ on the Web."e >   > "Are we secured against that?" >  > Comedy is 90% timing!!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:10:07 -0400% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> A Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!5/ Message-ID: <unirggmkge1he4@news.supernews.com>c  F "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messageE news:BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA6C@rlghncst964.usps.gov...n >n) > The Inquirer article Bob cites is here:  > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5281 >s? > It cites an alert from the Microsoft Product Support Servicest$ > Security team that is posted here: >tA > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q328691d >l* > And yes, in so many words, they do admit >e: > 1) that they have no clue as to how it's being done; andC > 2) there's almost no way to know if your system is safe once it'so >    been hacked.e >uE > HP should take out full-page ads and reprint the Microsoft advisory E > verbatim with the "Prevention" and "Recovery" sections highlighted.t >   G The best laugh I've had in years!!  First I read this thread and the MS K advisory and then I open this weeks eWeek.  Microsoft has a 5 page fold outs ad that reads:   "There's a new ___ on the Web."n   "Are we secured against that?"   Comedy is 90% timing!!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:50:33 -0000e/ From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>-A Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! / Message-ID: <unjtgpnmvfi93c@corp.supernews.com>k  6 : Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!  ? When VMS is free on new PCs or sells with a single user licensesC for $99/copy, then maybe you can fairly compare the two op systems.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:47:40 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> A Subject: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!uT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026609CB@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Michael,  " >>> When VMS is free on new PCs<<<  G The MS OS is certainly not "free" on new PC's. You pay for the MS OS aso1 part of the PC purchase. It is simply bundled.=20u  4 >>> sells with a single user license for $99/copy<<<  ! OpenVMS Hobbyist license is free.a! http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/i  B There are obviously other area's to compare, but the ones you have% raised are not good ones you can use.a   Regardss  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services5 Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----9 From: Michael Zarlenga [mailto:zarlenga@conan.ids.net]=20  Sent: September 7, 2002 8:51 AMt To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComdA Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!o    6 : Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!  C When VMS is free on new PCs or sells with a single user license for ? $99/copy, then maybe you can fairly compare the two op systems.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:54:28 GMTr1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>hA Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!a' Message-ID: <3D7A1885.12FFCD2D@fsi.net>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 
 > Michael, > $ > >>> When VMS is free on new PCs<<< > I > The MS OS is certainly not "free" on new PC's. You pay for the MS OS as20 > part of the PC purchase. It is simply bundled. > 6 > >>> sells with a single user license for $99/copy<<< > # > OpenVMS Hobbyist license is free.a# > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/l > D > There are obviously other area's to compare, but the ones you have' > raised are not good ones you can use.e  G ...because OVMS hobby still has the "non-commercial" poison pill in it.f  B For VMS to live, thrive and survive, it's gonna take "affordable".  A ...although like OpenVMS-IA32, I'm probably the only one here who ! believes and/or understands that.w   --   David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systems, http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2002 10:43:27 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)"A Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!e3 Message-ID: <BJwFvCgSdPz6@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  a In article <unjtgpnmvfi93c@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes: 8 > : Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! > A > When VMS is free on new PCs or sells with a single user license6E > for $99/copy, then maybe you can fairly compare the two op systems.@  A I hope you are not under the misaprehension that Windows-anything.D is "free" on a new PC.  The cost is bundled in to the price you pay.G Situations where you cannot buy the same hardware without the operating E system are an unfortunate by-product of the lack of a Free Market due % to excessive influence by one vendor.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 16:30:31 GMTt! From: "Derigible" <none@none.com>cA Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!p> Message-ID: <HQpe9.183003$kp.767966@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:BJwFvCgSdPz6@eisner.encompasserve.org...hB > In article <unjtgpnmvfi93c@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Zarlenga  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes:: > > : Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! > >hC > > When VMS is free on new PCs or sells with a single user licensetG > > for $99/copy, then maybe you can fairly compare the two op systems.  >tC > I hope you are not under the misaprehension that Windows-anythingsF > is "free" on a new PC.  The cost is bundled in to the price you pay.I > Situations where you cannot buy the same hardware without the operating0G > system are an unfortunate by-product of the lack of a Free Market duec' > to excessive influence by one vendor.   F I don't know if it's still true as I have not looked at M$'s licensingL agreements recently, but I recall there being a loophole where you could buyL a fully configured system without a hard drive. You buy the drive separatelyL and install it yourself. M$ couldn't argue against this, since how could youH buy a system with their laughable OS if it doesn't include a hard drive?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:11:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>nA Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! , Message-ID: <3D7A3324.373CB428@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:I > The MS OS is certainly not "free" on new PC's. You pay for the MS OS asV0 > part of the PC purchase. It is simply bundled.  H Out of curiosity, when one purchases a new PC from a real company (not aG garage operation), how much does the windows licence cost the builder ?o  L I realise that the exact price would vary depending on the type of leash theM builder is willing to have attached to its own neck by microsoft, but I wouldv. expect that they all pay in the same ballpark?  " Are we talking $50 ? $100 ? $150 ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:05:36 -0400, From: "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc>' Subject: Pine. Problem with INBOX + popoA Message-ID: <yXde9.34080$%P6.7505331@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>-    Hi,K       I was finally able after long tries and help from you guys, PINE. The K error that I'm getting now is that the inbox location does not exist, where C I had try to put dka0:[data.francisco.inbox] and also sys$login and @ sys$login:  . It does open the MAIL Folder (normal mail folder).A Also, how do I set up the pop account/password, the email address    thanks   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:07:16 +10009 From: forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth) + Subject: Re: Pine. Problem with INBOX + pope7 Message-ID: <slrnanj2c3.6l.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>M  U On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:05:36 -0400, Francisco Ortega <fortega@iblues.cc> gushed forth:l > Hi,.L >      I was finally able after long tries and help from you guys, PINE. TheL >error that I'm getting now is that the inbox location does not exist, whereD >I had try to put dka0:[data.francisco.inbox] and also sys$login andA >sys$login:  . It does open the MAIL Folder (normal mail folder).sB >Also, how do I set up the pop account/password, the email address >y >thanksr      To get it going from scratch....A Start pine and go to "SETUP" in the main menu (ignore any errors)d Enter "C" (config)V Move the cursor to "personal-name" and enter "a" (add) and enter whatever you need to.< Add appropriate values for "user-domain" and "smtp-server". N Ignore the "[could not create 'mail'] error messages you'll see along the way.  " The test setup I did looks like :-  , --------------------------------------------w personal-name          = G. Forsyth                                                                                    cw user-domain            = optushome.com.au                                                                              aw smtp-server            = 192.168.1.254                                                                                  w nntp-server            = <No Value Set>                                                                                iw inbox-path             = <No Value Set: using "inbox">                                                                 cw folder-collections     = <No Value Set: using []>                                                                      -w news-collections       = <No Value Set>                                                                                 w default-fcc            = <No Value Set: using "mymail">                                                                cw postponed-folder       = <No Value Set: using "POSTPONED-MSGS">                                                        iw read-message-folder    = <No Value Set>                                                                                nw signature-file         = <No Value Set: using "SYS">                                                                   cw global-address-book    = <No Value Set>                                                                                 w address-book           = <No Value Set: using .addressbook>                                                              feature-list           =, --------------------------------------------  , Exit the configuration screen and exit pine.\ From another username on the same system send mail to the username you just set pine up for.d Crank pine up again and go to "FOLDER LIST" then to "INBOX" and there should be the message you justF sent to the username. I'm assuming that the "$ mail" command works OK.  n When you send a message from this setup there'll be some stuff created. (Address book and so on.) Just say "y"
 when it asks.     k All of the above assumes that your e-mail is already being delivered to your OpenVMS system. If I've missedrr the fact that isn't and you need to have pine get the mail from a remote pop server then I don't think you can geto this version (3.91-2) of pine to do that and you may need to investigate the possibilities of IMAP. Perhaps youeY could also investigate the possibilites of using Netscape as your e-mail and news client.c     -- d     Oorool	 Mark F...s  $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/n       -- p     Oorooo	 Mark F...I  $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 00:19:14 -0400, From: "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc>! Subject: Pine. Setting the client A Message-ID: <A0fe9.34745$%P6.7695368@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>y    Hi,D        After many troubleshooting, I'm having the following problem.  L If I set up the domain in pine to be xyz.xyz.com  it allows me to send but IL change so the address will look like system@xyz.com  but then it won't allowI me send. I went into the pine.conf and change it and also in the bind bute doesn't seem to change.w  L What I'm trying to do, is use pine like a email client that will allow me to  
 email addressn email pop accounts email pop password return addressK and allow me to get out to xyz.com  which is in one of my hosting providersoK companies that I pay. My server is call xyz.something.com and that it's theS only way it would work.t   thanks   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 10:49:57 +0200f) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ' Subject: Re: Remote Site Cluster Members) Message-ID: <HX5Ww2SoD2sH@elias.decus.ch>   w In article <01KM6TQDOA5U9OCZIZ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:iC >> Well, I *AM SURE* TCP/IP services does *NOT* use SYS$SPECIFIC oraK >> SYS$COMMON the way I *EXPECT* an OpenVMS product to behave in a cluster.  >> lE >> If only you have a look at the UAF entries that are used by TCP/IPeK >> services. Some of them have a home directory on SYS$SYSDEVICE, others oni? >> SYS$SPECIFIC. My attempts to change that to a proper clustera >> configuration have failed.  > J > I think this should be a high-priority item for VMS engineering.  TCPIP G > just HAS to be more than "just good enough" in today's world, and it  2 > should of course behave properly on VMS as well! >   ? I agree completely. I have successfully changed the NTP entriesh= to reflect a proper cluster config, but am wary about that ino# terms of breaking a future upgrade.r   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2002 10:00:17 -0000e4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>Y Subject: Re: Response to NIST's take on noon and midnight (was Re: Is the HP/Compaq merger6 Message-ID: <20020907100017.25501.qmail@nym.alias.net>  A On Fri, 06 Sep 2002, "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@compaq.com> wrote:r >meridiem != meridiann >dF >meridiem is the middle of the day - an instant (not an interval) thatE >equally divides the 24 hour day.  It has nothing to do with the sun,e! >latitude, or season of the year.n >bL >All times in the 12 hours preceding that instant are ante meridiem (AM) andJ >all in the 12 hours following are post meridiem (PM) if the definition ofD >the term is kept.  That leaves the instant of midnight (also not anM >interval) that belongs to two days and is both 12 hours AM of the one and 12r >hours PM of the other.e  I Isn't the whole problem caused by the fact that a day was divided into 12KI hours before and after noon prior to the adoption of the arabic numberingb< system, and before that there was no zero to put on a clock?  I Anyway, for much of the discussion I figure the following is appropriate:   ) http://www.nightattheopera.net/nato51.wavo     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.neto   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 02:05:21 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> $ Subject: SMTP server: VRFY: Security+ Message-ID: <3D79971E.4997350@videotron.ca>   N In another thread, someone mentioned the VRFY command that can be sent to SMTP  server to verify a mailbox name.  F However, on VMS, a mailbox name also happens to correspond to a SYSUAFL username. And the SMTP server doesn't seem to have any limits or alarms when! someone tries many invalid names.-  E I am curious as to what sort of discussions have occured in VMS/TCPIPo' engineering with regards to this issue.u  J Is there a way to reduce this security hole without jeoperdizing the "good9 internet citizen" and still abide by internet standards ?   N Would there be a way to create aliases that point to a username (for instance:L Jean-Francois.Mezei pointing to jfmezei) which would make it less obvious to= the outside world what the username format for this site is. h  F Also, should the SMTP server issue security alarms whenever an invalid username is being tried ?i   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 02:57:02 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>u" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!' Message-ID: <3D79705B.663CD3E0@fsi.net>-   "Craig A. Berry" wrote:0 > ) > In article <3D781DC5.143EF9CF@fsi.net>,p5 >  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:c > H > > Anyone interested in casting a similar challenge at VMS Management's$ > > feet should e-mail me privately. > C > Dave, in your enthusiasm, you seem to have left out a few salient6' > points, such as challenge to do what?u  G Do you follow this newsgroup? Try Searching Google Groups for "VMS" and=B see what comes up. You might refine that search about by including> keywords like "affordable", "intel", "wish list", and so on...   Here's a few hints:t  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   E Bill Todd and Terry Shannon exchanging gibes over Compaq's misdoings.e  E Repeated queries in this newsgroup about everything from Open-Sourcedk VMS to OpenVMS-IA32.    Starting to get the picture yet?   -- o David J. Dachterae dba DJE SystemsP http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:19:32 -0400r( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!, Message-ID: <3D797044.8040305@tsoft-inc.com>   Rob Young wrote:    P > Technology research firm IDC reported Friday that in a server market dominatedN > by less expensive entry-level servers, Hewlett-Packard's ( NYSE: HPQ - news)K > acquisition of Compaq helped the company pull even with IBM ( NYSE: IBM - C > news), which dominated the overall server market for many years.      N Taking 2 companies and adding their sales together is one thing.  Merging the J companies and being able to keep the total sales that each would have got P seperately is another.  I'd discount the combined sales as a projection, though O they are valid as a yardstick of how the merged company is doing in the future.5  N Has anyone ever seen a merger where some percentage of the total sales of the 2 seperate entities was kept?  I can't think of any.  O Consider the customers that may have demanded getting at least 2 prices before sN making a purchase.  Possibly the two companies considered were Compaq and HP. N Not an unlikely scenario.  Now it will be HP and another, possibly Dell.  The N additional vendor will win some portion of those sales that were before, just > due to the procurement procedure were either COmpaq's or HP's.  L Then there are those who no longer have the option of buying their favorite P system.  They will not restrict their search for a replacement to the surviving  HP/Compaq product(s).e   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 00:45:56 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!, Message-ID: <3D798474.1F6A83C0@videotron.ca>   David Froble wrote: O > Taking 2 companies and adding their sales together is one thing.  Merging the K > companies and being able to keep the total sales that each would have got-Q > seperately is another.  I'd discount the combined sales as a projection, thoughyQ > they are valid as a yardstick of how the merged company is doing in the future.s  J When the purpose of an acquisition is to widen the product offerings, thenL perhaps the above is true. An example is when Nortel, a very "voice" companyL acquired Bay Networks in order to enter the "data/router" industry and start to compete against Cisco.   K But HP and Compaq were nearly clones of each other. HP's purchase of CompaqlI will not bring HP any new markets. HP's only expectation is to be able toiO consolidate product lines, eliminate duplicates, and reduce headcount big time.y  I In the end, what HP has accomplished is to eliminate a competitor. In theiN short term, they may get a good portion of Compaq's customers. But in the longK term, the customers that Compaq would have gotten will be split between HP,v Dell, Sun and IBM.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 05:31:37 GMT.* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!C Message-ID: <Zage9.355971$Aw4.14871911@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>0  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:625ZyA1wz5cx@eisner.encompasserve.org...u   ...s  > > I agree that unix server margins are higher.  I also see box< > counts and Intel servers (4 and 8 way) sell in much higherB > numbers than Sun 4+8 way.  Because Intel margins are thinner and? > counts are higher, increasing pressure comes to unix servers.w  L But since in recent times Intel server margins have been verging on negative= (at least at cHumPaq - due to the famous 'competitive pricingo environment')...   >.H > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nf/20020903/bs_nf/19264 >tF > Technology research firm IDC reported Friday that in a server market	 dominatednH > by less expensive entry-level servers, Hewlett-Packard's ( NYSE: HPQ - news) K > acquisition of Compaq helped the company pull even with IBM ( NYSE: IBM -0B > news), which dominated the overall server market for many years.  I Well, in the sense that HP bought Compaq and the combined market share of7L both when considered as a single company 'pulled even' with IBM when neitherG could individually, that's correct.  However, 'pulling even' carries atcG least the suggestion of 'catching up' in some manner rather than simply.J combining, whereas the reality is that IBM's server market share is up andJ HP's is down when compared with the combined HP and Compaq market share in the previous year.  2 Sun's market share is also up, IIRC.  Dell's, too.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 05:33:50 GMTr* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!C Message-ID: <2dge9.356003$Aw4.14873186@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>a  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:nI6PFjCRdXpL@eisner.encompasserve.org...    ...    > Funny thing is,uE > most of the time (watch that) stock price reflects what is actuallyc > happening or about to happen.y  E You mean like when both HP and Compaq stock dived when the merger was 
 announced?   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:08:43 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>t" Subject: RE: The Gauntlet is Cast!T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026609CA@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF -=20p  F >>> It is a given that wintel servers sell in greater quantities. DellA has 160 wintel boxes acting as its web server farm, but a seriousiF company would need just a couple of real servers to do the same job.<<  D Interesting that you should mention this at this time as in the lastG month, we have gotten a few requests from Customers that now want to doaH some serious consolidation of their web and app servers as part of their! overall IT Consolidation efforts.w  F "Trying to control the rabbit growth" is the way one Customer put this awhile ago.s   Trend? Who knows?t  G However, now that budgets are getting much tighter, there certainly arel Customers looking at this.   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant6 Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services@ Voice: 613-592-4660P Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]=20r  Sent: September 6, 2002 10:01 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!     Rob Young wrote:F >         I agree that unix server margins are higher.  I also see boxD >         counts and Intel servers (4 and 8 way) sell in much higher# >         numbers than Sun 4+8 way./  F It is a given that wintel servers sell in greater quantities. Dell hasE 160 wintel boxes acting as its web server farm, but a serious companya< would need just a couple of real servers to do the same job.  F However, as the wintel weenies mature, they will realise the advantageD of buying fewer larger servers instead of basing everything on virus( prone wintel that is unweildy to manage.  ( >  Because Intel margins are thinner andG >         counts are higher, increasing pressure comes to unix servers.e  H This is Curly/Winkler talk.  The increased pressure on unix servers willE come when Wintel crap gains the stability, secirity and manageabilityf% and scalability and serious software.p  E >         Sun is in a spot.  As you look at the 5 or so segments thatr	 make them.D >         money, server hardware makes up a disproportinate slice of those F >         segments.  Hence, they are being downgraded across the board" >         by Wall Street analysts.  F When you look at Compaq/HP's core wintel server business, they are farA more reliant on hardware margins than Sun because they produce no G software and pay all the royalties to microsoft.  Sun is therefore in a-F better position than HP/Compaq in that sense since they own the rightsA to Solaris and need not send all the of the profit margin over to 
 Microsoft.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 10:13:30 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800) ) Message-ID: <UTlFQq76LJmO@elias.decus.ch>   Z In article <3D7897FF.6040200@beenet.ru>, Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:] >> In article <3D7891A9.9000103@beenet.ru>, Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> writes:  >>   >>  M >>>1. How can I get my uVAX-3800 System ID to get license PAK from  Montagar?  >>   >>  E >> Look at the frame of the system (possibly removing the covers) fors >> a serial number.t >>  ! > On what? I mean where on frame?  >  >>  ; >>>2. Why >>> show dev doesn't show VMS aliases of devices?V >> S >> s< >> Because >>> comes from the hardware rather than from VMS. > 2 > Actually I know that, but many sites shows next: >  >  >>> show devGG >   VMS/VMB  ULTRIX    ADDR    DEVTYP  NUMBYTES  RM/FX  WP  DEVNAM  REVeG >   -------  ------  --------  ------  --------  -----  --  ------  --- & >   ESA0     SE0     08-00-2B-12-92-40G >   DKA300   RZ3     A/3/0/00  DISK      209 MB   FX        RZ24   211B $ >   ...HostID....    A/7       INITR$ >   ...HostID....    B/7       INITR >  > and I get only& > DUA0: (type of drive, dont remember) > DUB0: (same) > MUA0: (RK70) > ...k > ...  > ...o  5 DUA0:, DUB0:, MUA0: are the VMS names of the devices. 9 (And the last entry AFAIK should read TK70, it's a tape).=     > Where is the table?- > 	 > Thanks!- >  > Best regards,u > Konstantin Klubnichkin >  -- a __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandy   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:14:08 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>Y Subject: Re: VAXstation 3100 Model 76 SPX needs accessories, cables, keyboard, mouse and h6 Message-ID: <alcu3e$1p3cfd$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   Where are you, Europe?2 "NetBoot" <netboot@netboot.com> schreef in bericht. news:MPG.17e2d97d50b87e898971a@news.ptd.net...I > Anyone know or has these really cheap?  It also needs a hard drive, butI > not the rail...  >t > Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:34:20 GMTd# From: NetBoot <netboot@netboot.com>(Y Subject: Re: VAXstation 3100 Model 76 SPX needs accessories, cables, keyboard, mouse and p5 Message-ID: <MPG.17e401c9d01b3a37989720@news.ptd.net>g  E In article <alcu3e$1p3cfd$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, hvlems@iae.nl . says...t > Where are you, Europe?4 > "NetBoot" <netboot@netboot.com> schreef in bericht0 > news:MPG.17e2d97d50b87e898971a@news.ptd.net...K > > Anyone know or has these really cheap?  It also needs a hard drive, butm > > not the rail...- > >-
 > > Thanks >  >  US   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 11:31:28 +0200b) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) " Subject: Re: WEB Browser Text only) Message-ID: <SrE1ALiRAfXa@elias.decus.ch>   p In article <_iee9.34335$%P6.7570572@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>, "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc> writes:< >  Does anyone knows a web browser for vms text mode. thanks >    Lynx can be found at7 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/lynx/d   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:30:36 -0400, From: "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc> Subject: WEB Browser Text onlyA Message-ID: <_iee9.34335$%P6.7570572@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>m  :  Does anyone knows a web browser for vms text mode. thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 03:43:20 GMTo1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>-" Subject: Re: WEB Browser Text only' Message-ID: <3D797B38.824CD9D5@fsi.net>e   Francisco Ortega wrote:e > < >  Does anyone knows a web browser for vms text mode. thanks   Search for "Lynx".   -- s David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 04:35:42 GMTo1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) " Subject: Re: WEB Browser Text only; Message-ID: <ymfe9.222636$Yd.9079448@twister.austin.rr.com>   + Francisco Ortega (fortega@iblues.cc) wrote:M< :  Does anyone knows a web browser for vms text mode. thanks :  :    Lynx, available from      http://lynx.browser.org/i    Lynx Informationn  & It may also be on the VMS Freeware CD.    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaile   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:34:24 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> " Subject: RE: WEB Browser Text onlyT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D95B3@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  H In addition to Paul's reference to the Freeware V4 CD, you can also find Lynx on the V5 Cdrom at:< http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/lynx2-8-3/   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantl Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicesc Voice: 613-592-4660m Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----3 From: Paul Sture [mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch]=20I Sent: September 7, 2002 5:31 AMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh" Subject: Re: WEB Browser Text only    A In article <_iee9.34335$%P6.7570572@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>,h. "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc> writes:< >  Does anyone knows a web browser for vms text mode. thanks >=20   Lynx can be found at7 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/lynx/o   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandh   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 13:57:17 +0200i) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) " Subject: RE: WEB Browser Text only) Message-ID: <+WOEOE0tXEHx@elias.decus.ch>a  ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D95B3@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > J > In addition to Paul's reference to the Freeware V4 CD, you can also find > Lynx on the V5 Cdrom at:> > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/lynx2-8-3/ >   * Well spotted, the V4 CD has version 2-8-1.   >  >  > -----Original Message-----5 > From: Paul Sture [mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch]=20r! > Sent: September 7, 2002 5:31 AM9 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ > Subject: Re: WEB Browser Text only >  > C > In article <_iee9.34335$%P6.7570572@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>, 0 > "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc> writes:= >>  Does anyone knows a web browser for vms text mode. thanksm >>=20e >  > Lynx can be found at9 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/lynx/a >  > __ > Paul Sture
 > SwitzerlandM -- I __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandt   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 07:23:39 +0200u) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) J Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on) Message-ID: <WmK1ljYvIxKY@elias.decus.ch>c  \ In article <3D77CAEB.67575070@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Sharon Guthrie wrote:mF >>         Heck no, it's just that VMS is damned near perfect already! > O > Are you kidding ? Not only does VMS still require users to press return after-L > having typed in their username and another return for the password, but it> > still  lacks automatic field completion on those two inputs. > N > I should be able to just type "j" and then VMS automatically completes it toK > "jfmezei" for the username, and I should be able to type "i" as the first M > letter of the password and VMS should be able to automatically complete the N > password field, provided that sufficient letters have been typed to uniquelyP > identify the username. And there should be no need to press return at the end. > P > If you're going to compete against Microsoft, you might as well compete at theP > same level: put all sorts of fancy features that look great for marketing evenK > though from a security perspective they might be a disaster. Think of the L > claims of productivity improvements that could be made with such a featureN > since hundreds of thousands of users would save a few seconds every day when
 > they login.e > M > This feature alone should be sufficient to raise productivity levels in the?8 > USA to boost its economy and take it out of recession. >  > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)r  @ Oops. You forgot a highly productive, and therefore competitive, feature of Win98 here.  . Just hit <ESC> to bypass the login screen. ;-) __
 Paul Sture Switzerland.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 10:32:24 +02000) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) J Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on) Message-ID: <ZQO2a1HHkjvy@elias.decus.ch>r  c In article <KBOb9p8kabjT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) writes: ^ > In article <3D77CAEB.67575070@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >> Sharon Guthrie wrote:G >>>         Heck no, it's just that VMS is damned near perfect already!t >> pQ >> If you're going to compete against Microsoft, you might as well compete at theeQ >> same level: put all sorts of fancy features that look great for marketing evenmL >> though from a security perspective they might be a disaster. Think of theM >> claims of productivity improvements that could be made with such a featuretO >> since hundreds of thousands of users would save a few seconds every day when2 >> they login. > D > 	Oooh, good point!  Microsoft has Clippy and the BobDog.  The VMS N > engineers should give us some sort of animated assistant.  Maybe revive the A > Wombat.  How have we managed to stay productive without it???    > 
 > :-)  Sharon    DTR> help wombat  ! Sorry, no documentation on WOMBATH   :-( :-(n __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandr   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:35:15 +1000 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>PJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on, Message-ID: <3D79BA43.3040108@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Sharon Guthrie wrote:.D > 	Oooh, good point!  Microsoft has Clippy and the BobDog.  The VMS N > engineers should give us some sort of animated assistant.  Maybe revive the A > Wombat.  How have we managed to stay productive without it???  b  ? Hmm, I've seen that annoying paperclip thing dancing around on iK colleague's (damn, Alan, another one wasted) screens, but what is a BobDog?a   Regards, Paddy        G ***********************************************************************n  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  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Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> J Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on' Message-ID: <3D7A18E4.C563F1A1@fsi.net>t   Paul Sture wrote:a > [snip] > DTR> help wombat > # > Sorry, no documentation on WOMBATl   There used to was...   -- n David J. Dachterau dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 02 11:10:39 +0200s) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)vT Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on  OpenVMS?) Message-ID: <3PktsJGcSIfx@elias.decus.ch>s  a In article <iwmPYMrOJVyl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:eg > In article <af0dc2ea.0209060838.27a1c405@posting.google.com>, whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) writes:  >  >> EF >> I've had these on my list forever. Even though I've written scriptsI >> to somewhat perform a few of these tasks, it's frustrating that these aI >> seemingly obvious needs for native cabability have not been addressed:n >> hM >>    SHOW PROCESS /FILES[=LOCKED] process  ;default=ALL_OPEN, display statuseF >>    SHOW FILE /PROCESS spec               ;displays lock status, tooM >>    DIR/ORDER=[SIZE|DATE]/REVERSE spec ;should look a bit familiar to some.sJ >>    BACKUP/STATISTICS ...                 ;how could this be overlooked? >> oD >> Those are just off the top of my head without looking back, and IB >> didn't google to see if others have the same wishes. These seem >> so obvious, though. >> b > G > 	I vote for that last one, definitely.  In fact, I'm dreading writing9E > 	the parser for that to show throughput on backups.  But it must beg > 	done. > 	 > 				Robt >   C If you perform your backups using /LIST=some.file, then the snippetu below gets some rough totals.i  5 (I've squashed the last bit to try to avoid wrapping)    -------- snip ---------n  > $! full_name contains the full name of the BACKUP listing file2 $! temp_file contains a unique temporary file name $!B $       search 'full_name' total, of, files, blocks /match = and -%                 /output = 'temp_file'T4 $       open /read /error=get_file input 'temp_file' $       delete 'temp_file';** $       read input/end=no_search_info data $       close inpute $       goto process_searchn< $no_search_info:             ! No data in search output file $       close inputo $       goto get_file  $process_search:0 $       data = f$edit(data,"LOWERCASE,COLLAPSE")9 $       data = data - "files" - "total" - "of" - "blocks" # $       comma = f$locate(",", data)m/ $       no_of_files = f$extract(0, comma, data)i $       no_of_blocks = -B             f$extract(comma + 1, f$length(data) - comma - 1, data)& $       no_of_mb = no_of_blocks / 2048 $! $! round up if necessary $!> $ if f$extract (f$length(no_of_blocks) - 1, 1, no_of_blocks) -       .ges. 5 - "       then no_of_mb = no_of_mb + 16 $ output = file_name + " " + f$string(no_of_files) + -.       " files, " +  f$string(no_of_mb) + " Mb"= $ no_of_files = no_of_files - 0 ! convert variable to integeri $!= $ output = f$fao("!30AS !10SL !10SL !4SL !11AS", file_name, -i4   no_of_files, no_of_mb, elapsed_days, elapsed_time)   -------- snip ---------   8 (Those last 2 variables, elapsed_days, elapsed_time were8 derived earlier from the following code (I jumped into a) HLL for the time difference calculation).    $!F $! Get file creation and revision dates, to calculate the elapsed time $!5 $       created = f$file_attributes(full_name, "CDT")e5 $       revised = f$file_attributes(full_name, "RDT")t   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2002 06:21:03 -0600e- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)tS Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?g3 Message-ID: <T6WCmYbTS71X@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  V In article <6SEP200221344178@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:3 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes.../h > }In article <9281A6F48warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:? > }> sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote in  > }> <P$pVRW8W5Tc2@rabbit>:  > }>  J > }>>There is (are) XML pasers in Java and C++, located on the "e-businessL > }>>Infrastructure" CD (v1.3) that was shipped with our copy of VMS 7.3-1. I > }>>I can't say if this is Xerces, and I note that this does not exactlytM > }>>fullfill the "wish" expressed in the note below, but is it close enough?o > }> aM > }> Thanks, but as you noted, this does not fit the bill.  Our code is in C.t > } L > }How does that affect anything ?  VMS allows calling C++ code from C code. > L > It is very hard to call anything in C++ if you do not have a C++ compiler.  , You said the problem was "Our code is in C".  C Had you said "We don't have a C++ compiler", that would have been a@ different statement.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 11:29:30 -0500U7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>2S Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?rG Message-ID: <craigberry-7510F5.11293007092002@news.directvinternet.com><  , In article <6SEP200221344178@gerg.tamu.edu>,)  carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:i  L > It is very hard to call anything in C++ if you do not have a C++ compiler.  E As has been mentioned more than once in this thread, expat is freely mH available and works on VMS. Why not just use a parser that's written in  C?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:16:22 +0200$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@nospam.com>J Subject: Re: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP). Message-ID: <Cele9.20$Hy1.558@news.get2net.dk>   Well,   
 p.Clip ...  = > For instance, it is because it is widely known that NASADAQ G > and NYSE run on Tandem that Carly had to make statements about Tandem9 duringL > the merger pregancy to ensure everyone was comfortable with the merger andJ > need not worry about the future of their critical tandem infrastructure.  J The fact that the Deutsche Boerse, The Australian Stock Exchange, New YorkK Mutual Exchange. IMEX etc. etc. etc all run on OpenVMS did not seem to helpa( the visibility of VMS during the merger.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:07:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-J Subject: Re: Who are the largest VMS customers. Top ten? (Was: VMS and HP), Message-ID: <3D7A323B.586BCAA1@videotron.ca>   "Dr. Dweeb" wrote:L > The fact that the Deutsche Boerse, The Australian Stock Exchange, New YorkM > Mutual Exchange. IMEX etc. etc. etc all run on OpenVMS did not seem to helpc* > the visibility of VMS during the merger.  L Here is a sensitive question: do they RUN on VMS or just have VMS onsite for certain functions ?I  B I think you would find that in many instances, VMS may be used for' applications that have zero visibility.r  N In the case of Tandem, it really does run the nasdaq. It is the primary systemN with smaller things attached to it. Those smaller things have zero visibility.K (exception made for NASDAQ web server which runs on Microsoft, quite a risk,J for an enterprise that is supposed to be serious - I recently sent a nastyN email to their web feedback telling them to get their windows weenies to learnI html and force themto pass their front page through the html validator atu# www.w3.org before making it public.h   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:03:29 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>6 Subject: Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha6 Message-ID: <ald103$1o9p6b$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  7 "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net> schreef in berichta# news:rHQd9.9661$Jo.873@rwcrnsc53...iL > It went into the terminal unlike the the 400 I had.  Nice 150mhz processor > too! >nB > Anyone know where the startup sound came from?  It sounds like a grandfather  > clock. > L A year ago I had a 3000-400 for a couple of weeks and the sound comes from aJ small speaker inside the box. The VAXstation 4000-90A  produces some music near the end of POST.%   Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:04:21 GMTv* From: "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net>6 Subject: Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha. Message-ID: <pkqe9.337108$me6.39018@sccrnsc01>  	 Thats it!W   It was like music.  - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in messagei0 news:ald103$1o9p6b$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de...  7 "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net> schreef in bericht # news:rHQd9.9661$Jo.873@rwcrnsc53...tL > It went into the terminal unlike the the 400 I had.  Nice 150mhz processor > too! >yB > Anyone know where the startup sound came from?  It sounds like a grandfather5 > clock. >mL A year ago I had a 3000-400 for a couple of weeks and the sound comes from aJ small speaker inside the box. The VAXstation 4000-90A  produces some music near the end of POST.u   Hans   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.494 ************************lable from      http://lynx.browser.org/i    Lynx Informationn  & It may also be on the VMS Freeware CD.    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaile   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:34:24 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> " Subject: RE: WEB Browser Text onlyT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D95B3@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  H In addition to Paul's reference to the F                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ô    Ĕ    Ŕ    Ɣ    ǔ    Ȕ    ɔ    ʔ    ˔    ̔    ͔    Δ    ϔ    Д    є    Ҕ    Ӕ    Ԕ    Ք    ֔    ה    ؔ    ٔ    ڔ    ۔    ܔ    ݔ    ޔ    ߔ        ᔬ    ┬    㔬    䔬    唬    攬    甬    蔬    锬    ꔬ    딬    씬    픬            𔬪    񔬪    򔬪    󔬪                                                                                         	    
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