1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 08 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 496       Contents: Backup record layout Re: Backup record layout Re: Help installing Pine Re: Help installing Pine Re: How to create Sys$BATCH  Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware= Re: Micro$oft exec says all os's stink ... forgets about VMS! 8 RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?G XP prices WAS: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! K Re: XP prices WAS: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! < Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha, RISC and IDE?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:02:25 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Backup record layout 6 Message-ID: <alfe95$1p60po$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  B Has the record layout of a VMS backup saveset ever been published?  
 Hans Vlems   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2002 08:24:18 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: Backup record layout 3 Message-ID: <ldcRk$X68h9M@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <alfe95$1p60po$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes: D > Has the record layout of a VMS backup saveset ever been published?  - I thought it was in the VMS V3 documentation.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:38:56 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>! Subject: Re: Help installing Pine 6 Message-ID: <alfgdl$1ploem$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  9 "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc> schreef in bericht ; news:ZJQd9.13824$%P6.5930602@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...  > What about this type of error  > E >     u_char          sin6_len;           /* length of this struct */  > ....^ > > %CC-E-MISSINGTYPE, Missing type specifier or type qualifier. >  > - > What steps do you recommend for me to take.  >  >  There's two things you can do:G 1) search *.h files for a declaration of u_char. If that fails look for ) other declarations of unsigned variables. K 2) make up a declaration for a u_char; sounds like an unsigned character so @ you might want to try that. u_char is probably an unsigned byte.   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:05:59 -0000 / From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> ! Subject: Re: Help installing Pine / Message-ID: <unmma783viu93b@corp.supernews.com>     :> What about this type of error :>F :>     u_char          sin6_len;           /* length of this struct */ :> ....^? :> %CC-E-MISSINGTYPE, Missing type specifier or type qualifier.   > You're missing a typedef somewhere, probably because of shoddyB #if/#else/#endifs by someonbe who neglected to test the final code
 on VMS ...  C add this before the "u_char          sin6_len;" and you'll be fine:    typedef u_char unsigned char;   @ NOTE:  If there are other typdefs in the .H or .C file where theC "u_char          sin6_len;" line is, add the new typedef THERE, for A consistency.  All that matters is that the typedef appears BEFORE 
 it's used.   mz   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 02 08:56:13 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) $ Subject: Re: How to create Sys$BATCH) Message-ID: <rsXb02JjkbNs@elias.decus.ch>   I In article <alefmj$rci$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, Everhart <ge@gce.com> writes:  > Paul Sture wrote: s >> In article <W84e9.27553$%P6.7062748@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>, "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc> writes:  >>  - >>>How do you create Sys$BATCH AND Sys$print.  >>>  >>   >>   >> As ever, use HELP:  >>   >> $ HELP INIT/QUE EXAMPLES  >>   >> __ 
 >> Paul Sture  >> Switzerland > & > One thing I had to do way back when: >  > init/queue/new > ? > to create the queue files. Needed once only but it IS needed.  >   < Umm. I think you are thinking of START/MANAGER there, as in:   START      /QUEUE       /MANAGER  D          Starts the clusterwide queue manager for the queuing systemH          and opens that queue manager's queue database files. The /QUEUEG          qualifier is optional, but the /MANAGER qualifier is required.   L Or is init/queue/new something going back to the pre 5.4(?) queueing system?    __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2002 09:35:32 -0000 4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freeware 6 Message-ID: <20020908093532.18910.qmail@nym.alias.net>  7 On 7 Sep 02, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote: A >In article <20020907151920.4534.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypher , ><Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:D >> On 7 Sep 2002, randeg@alum.rpi.edu (Glenn Randers-Pehrson) wrote: >>  	 >> <snip>  >>  K >>>Not from HP in particular.  Also we don't actually need the system, just P >>>access to one, with a couple hundred MB disc quota and sufficient permissionsI >>>to be able to install software in the usual places.  We have a similar + >>>requirement for access to an SGI system.  >>  K >> There are a few VMS systems on the web that you can get at *remotely*. I I >> run one, but I am not certain it could meet your needs. However, if it L >> would, I'd be happy to install any additional software you might need andM >> grant you the disk quotas. What may be an issue is precisely what you mean  >> by "sufficient permissions".  >>   >>  ; >I have privately emailed Glenn. My problems with this are:   P I hope you pointed out the advantages of developing on VMS, such as the compiler/ quality, and availability of products like CMS.   B >a) does the VMS Hobbyist license cover me here? I am not going to >   violate that.   % Well, the relevant bit seems to be...   M >$!       Upon your qualification for this license and your signature on this M >$!          form, Compaq Computer Corporation ("COMPAQ") will grant you the  J >$!          right to use the VAX OpenVMS on a single computer ("Licensed B >$!          Computer").  Use of the Licensed Computer is ONLY FOR >NON-COMMERCIAL J >$!          USES (e.g., home use).  As such, you may not use the Licensed
 >Computer P >$!          for any business purposes whatsoever, e.g., to develop applications9 >>$!          for resale, to do business accounting, etc.   H I figure ImageMagick qualifies as a non-commercial use. Rather than haveL someone, say Kerry, state that it "should" be okay, I'd like this made a lotM more clear. To be honest, I'd like to see the test-drive programme updated to L cater to people wanting to do such development and unable to access suitable resources (such as CMS).   >b) "sufficient permissions"  ( Suitably vague as to sound sinister. :-)     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2002 05:37:09 -0700 1 From: randeg@alum.rpi.edu (Glenn Randers-Pehrson) ! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freeware = Message-ID: <4b254661.0209080437.2ce50b2e@posting.google.com>   c Herbert Stoeri <stoeri@iap.tuwien.ac.at> wrote in message news:<3D7A31DE.50008@iap.tuwien.ac.at>...   @ > If that's the problem, I might be able to help with an account@ > with ample quotas on a cluster of two DS10's with good networkD > connectivity. Even remote X tunneled through ssh might be possible? >off peak hours. Unfortunately, I dont' have a VAX anymore. The > >system is now  VMS 7.2-1 and will be 7.3 soon. All compilers,@ >MMS, etc are available. I can install extra software if needed.  = Thanks.  "off peak hours" would not be a problem since we are > east coast US so our evening is your wee hours of the morning.  * Paul Sture (p_sture@elias.decus.ch) wrote:   >I have privately emailed Glenn     [with an offer to help]. Thanks.   >My problems >with this are:  > B >a) does the VMS Hobbyist license cover me here? I am not going to >   violate that.   F I looked at the VMS Hobbyist page and am not sure.  People are allowedH to use the resulting ImageMagick sources in commercial products although. the ImageMagick VMS source itself is freeware.   >b) "sufficient permissions"  I I meant the ability to test the make.com in its pristine condition, which D means having permission to write in whatever directories the defaultG configuration wants to write in.  I realize make.com can be modified to M write in a user directory but the test is more satisfactory without modifying  it.    Glenn    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2002 08:22:48 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freeware 3 Message-ID: <+1yImw0KsClH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <20020908093532.18910.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:    >>b) "sufficient permissions"  > * > Suitably vague as to sound sinister. :-)  G I once ran into a commercial "product" that required all users have the D Bypass privilege since "without Bypass, Cobol programs on VMS cannot
 share files".    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2002 15:04:38 -0000 = From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> ! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freeware 6 Message-ID: <20020908150438.26896.qmail@nym.alias.net>  = On 8 Sep 2002, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: B >In article <20020908093532.18910.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypher, ><Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: >  >>>b) "sufficient permissions" >>  + >> Suitably vague as to sound sinister. :-)  > H >I once ran into a commercial "product" that required all users have theE >Bypass privilege since "without Bypass, Cobol programs on VMS cannot  >share files".  / I can imagine your response was not favourable.   G I actually took the time to download ImageMagick and have a look at the A MAKE.COM and readme files, it doesn't appear to need any elevated J privileges, nor specify installation in any system directories. I couldn'tJ compile it because I have not installed X11 support on my system. That, of course, could be remedied.     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 02 09:32:04 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) F Subject: Re: Micro$oft exec says all os's stink ... forgets about VMS!) Message-ID: <kK7vpRb14eeN@elias.decus.ch>   _ In article <00A13A37.303868A3@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes: K > In article <alefjn$rci$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, Everhart <ge@gce.com> writes:  >  > D >>I believe that Microsoft is trying hard to spin its own insecurityA >>as a generic problem and would do so whether it knows about VMS F >>and OS/400 or not. These statements are not innocent uninformedness;K >>they are deception and attempts to conceal the existence of alternatives. C >>Neither are they mentioning the next two runner-up candidates for L >>half decent security, NSA enhanced Linux (which they have been trying hard0 >>to make go away) and PitBull enhanced Solaris. > J > I agree with this completely.  While this at first blush appeared like aM > confession of not having designed security in, it's actually fairly clearly N > an attempt to get people to buy in to the Trustworthy Computing and possiblyL > Palladium initiatives - in other words, so they can say (as they always doG > in effect) "the last thing we sold you really sucked; let us sell you  > something better." >   @ Something which has come to my attention of late is the apparentA lack of regard for users' data, of which the recent stories about A Hotmail discarding deliberately saved emails is only one example.     > Note this quote: > C >>> But the company is dealing with a problem that isn't going away I >>> anytime soon. Valentine noted here that as the company works to shore ? >>> up its products, the security dilemma will evolve with more  >>> sophisticated hackers. >>> J >>> "It's impossible to solve the problem completely," Valentine said. "AsF >>> we solve these problems there are hackers who are going to come up >>> with new ones. >>> & >>> "There's no end to this," he said. > P > In other words, it doesn't matter how good the product is, those wiley hackersM > are just so devilishly smart that they'll screw it up.  (And concomitantly, O > it therefore doesn't really matter - like, say, enough to sue over - that the M > current products are so vulnerable that they're not really fit for service, 9 > because getting broken into is just inevitable anyway.)  >   B Conspiracy theory time? Part of the dumbing down process is to get/ rid of the knowledgeable folks who know better?    <snip>   >> But in the past year, many F >> of the hacks launched against Microsoft software, most notably the K >> Code Red and Nimda worms, have been malicious, going after business      A >> processes, and in many cases shutting those processes down.      F But the point there is that they were exploits of dirty great security+ holes. Other systems simply shrug them off. F The "business processes" bit is sheer BS, diverting attention from the real issue.    > F > Maybe we all suck, but that every OS is about equal in the number ofO > vulnerabilities _reported_, that's, well, seriously misinformed if not a lie. N > (Andrew can now speak up again and say that just because VMS doesn't have asH > many CERT advisories as Solaris doesn't mean it's any more secure, butN > Valentine said "reported."   Maybe he's thinking of fudging by adding up allM > the advisories for all versions of SunOS/SOlaris, but counting only NT 3.51  > and 8 > 4 together, 2000 separately, and XP separately again.) >   E A Google Groups search for comp.os.vms and MUP brings up 108 results, # many of them going back some years.    __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 02 08:39:51 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) A Subject: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! ) Message-ID: <QWc8XqQDAEk8@elias.decus.ch>   ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026609CD@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > E >>>> If DEC/Compaq/HP got $200 per copy, they'd be over their head in  > black ink supporting it.<<<  > I > With respect to "commercial use" - it depends if you factor in security I > patching and the time administrators spend keeping up. Once these costs 1 > are factored in then it's a different story.=20  > C > OpenVMS hobbyist (free license) time spent worrying about Virus's   J Wanna see some web logs? Sorry, but my VMS system doesn't have a directoryJ winnt on a disk called c: (neither does my NT system for that matter :-) ) >  > C > Btw - Windows XP Pro is a $300 (Cdn) upgrade from Windows XP Home B > edition which comes with retail PC's.  XP Pro is what businessesG > (commercial) use - not Home Edition. What is this upgrade cost in the  > US? In Europe? >    According toA http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/pricingretail.asp   ? XP Pro is 199 USD for an upgrade, 299 USD for the full version.   ? No idea about UK prices. The M$.co.uk site doesn't give prices, > instead directing you at 3rd party suppliers. www.microsoft.ch> kept sending me off to www.microwsoft.de, so I gave up on that too.  ! Now, here's the real kicker. From D http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/matrix.asp  L The only systems eligible for an upgrade license to XP Home Edition are W98,I 98SE and ME. Forget it if you have W3.1, W95 or NT4, you have to buy the  
 full product.   G The Pro upgrade adds NT4 workstation and 2000 Pro as eligible upgrades, A but for both Home and Pro editions, no server upgrade is offered.  Instead they offer .NET stuff.  OB And of course, they keep suggesting that you are really better off: buying a new PC, and are willing to recommend suppliers...  C > I'm all for lower VMS costs, but lets compare real apples to realm	 > apples.r >   = TCO anyone? But let's please include labour costs as well as MD initial purchase costs (not forgetting the "we didn't know we needed that as well" costs).  __
 Paul Sture SwitzerlandS   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 08:40:19 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>A Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! + Message-ID: <3D7AF0D3.9070801@mail.tele.dk>s   Main, Kerry wrote:  C > Btw - Windows XP Pro is a $300 (Cdn) upgrade from Windows XP HomejB > edition which comes with retail PC's.  XP Pro is what businessesG > (commercial) use - not Home Edition. What is this upgrade cost in theM > US? In Europe?  : It may be true, that businesses buy Pro and home users buy
 Home Edition.:  9 But it is a feature/support thing - what features/supporte@ are available that version in. It is not a license thing telling# what you are allowed to do with it.-   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 02 10:03:26 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)uA Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!s) Message-ID: <PJnLoqvwtcA9@elias.decus.ch>u  a In article <unlj7efgo8uedf@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes::( > Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:E > : Btw - Windows XP Pro is a $300 (Cdn) upgrade from Windows XP HomecD > : edition which comes with retail PC's.  XP Pro is what businessesI > : (commercial) use - not Home Edition. What is this upgrade cost in thee > : US? In Europe? > < > AFAIK, XP Home can be used to produce commercial products. > ; > And if you check Gateway or Dell, you'll see that you canu4 > upgrade from XP Home to XP Pro for less than $100.  B That appears to be highly dependent on the country. Take a look at   > http://dellware.euro.dell.com/dellstore/dellware/bundle/default.asp?s=chbsd&l=en&m=chf&c=CH120301&n=&cu=chbsd&v=d&cc=&ogn=&kcd=&ad=&mc=&rs=&cuid=&cg=&pch=1&pn=0&demo=&page=2&gc=&sbc=chbsddw&co=&man=ALL&x=z     (Sorry if that wraps)*  J XP Pro upgrade - English CHF 345.71, with the German version unaccountably even more at 357.05.  G Last time I looked, 1.5 CHF was roughly 1 USD, for comparison purposes.w __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:13:02 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>kA Subject: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!sT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026609CE@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Mike -  E >>> And if you check Gateway or Dell, you'll see that you can upgradea. from XP Home to XP Pro for less than $100. <<<  C Ok, I did. Check this out from Dell: (I am assuming Gateway will be  similar)  J http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productlisting.asp?customer_id=3D19&ca= th egory_id=3D5117/  H The upgrade you reference above is to upgrade from W98/ME etc to XP Home% Edition only i.e. $98 USD + taxes.=20   8 The following prices are quoted online at the above url:  < - Single copy Windows ME full version - $189.95 USD + taxes.  C - Windows XP Home Edition full version (no upgrade) - $189.95 USD +r	 taxes.=20h  ' - Windows XP Pro - $289.95 USD + taxes.n  8 - Windows 2000 Advanced Server - $895.00 USD + taxes.=20  F As far as I could tell, Dell did not have an XP Home to XP Pro upgrade+ price quoted, but I checked out Gateway at: D http://www.gateway.com/products/gca/sftw/swho/windxppro.asp?seg=3Dhm  / - Windows XP Pro upgrade - $199.00 USD + taxes.j  F So again, these prices are far from "free with your new PC". They just bundle the pricing in.=20i  C Of course, in the "commercial" environment, one must also take intoeF account per server/client WS costs for virus package (including annualG renewal costs for latest virus definitions), batch utility for servers,aF disk quota utilities (servers), script utility pkg (servers - if logonH and maint jobs are relatively large), how much "overhead" is required to8 keep servers current with security/virus patches etc.=20  G Again, to many people look at the base OS costs only without looking at H the whole picture. However, I suspect that these hidden costs is now oneG of the primary drivers behind the IT Consolidation projects that almostdF every med to large corporation is now embracing and/or considering.=20  C It is why Linux is starting to spring up as having future potentiallB (desktop - perhaps even server for some app's) in the eyes of some@ businesses. Unfortunately, again, the folks looking at Linux areC typically falling into the same trap i.e.. looking at base OS costse only. Ah well ..  E Note - Most analysts will point out that the OS costs in a commercialIF environment is miniscule in terms of the overall TCO over a three yearG period. Remember that head count (to manage many distributed servers oni@ 24x7 basis?) is by far the single biggest IT expenditure in most
 companies.  E Again, I'm all for lower VMS costs (and yes, better marketing and allR: the other suggestions), but lets compare apples to apples.   Regardsc  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantd Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660f Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----9 From: Michael Zarlenga [mailto:zarlenga@conan.ids.net]=20   Sent: September 8, 2002 12:07 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComnA Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!e    & Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:C : Btw - Windows XP Pro is a $300 (Cdn) upgrade from Windows XP HomegB : edition which comes with retail PC's.  XP Pro is what businessesG : (commercial) use - not Home Edition. What is this upgrade cost in them : US? In Europe?  : AFAIK, XP Home can be used to produce commercial products.  F And if you check Gateway or Dell, you'll see that you can upgrade from% XP Home to XP Pro for less than $100.S   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2002 08:19:29 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)$A Subject: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! 3 Message-ID: <s+Rk$tHe3ij8@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  U In article <QWc8XqQDAEk8@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:  > In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026609CD@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >> mF >>>>> If DEC/Compaq/HP got $200 per copy, they'd be over their head in >> black ink supporting it.<<< >> ,J >> With respect to "commercial use" - it depends if you factor in securityJ >> patching and the time administrators spend keeping up. Once these costs2 >> are factored in then it's a different story.=20 >> "D >> OpenVMS hobbyist (free license) time spent worrying about Virus's > L > Wanna see some web logs? Sorry, but my VMS system doesn't have a directoryL > winnt on a disk called c: (neither does my NT system for that matter :-) )  = You could program your VMS system to respond to such requests < v e r y   s l o w l y, sort of like keeping the kidnapper on? the phone long enough to trace the call.  Likely the attacker'st2 software is not programmed to handle such tactics.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:15:34 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>rA Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! , Message-ID: <3D7B85B6.190630D1@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:N > > Wanna see some web logs? Sorry, but my VMS system doesn't have a directoryN > > winnt on a disk called c: (neither does my NT system for that matter :-) ) > ? > You could program your VMS system to respond to such requestss> > v e r y   s l o w l y, sort of like keeping the kidnapper on* > the phone long enough to trace the call.  M I have a microvax II. I don't need to program it to reply very slowly. Yet, I L got tired of the web server constantly writing useless stuff to its logs. SoL while my ISP blocked port 80 requests from the "internet", I blocked port 80L requests from my ISP to prevent my log fils from filling up the disk drives.  J For a corporation, the problem with this situation is that you get so manyN "windows" requests that it becomes hard to detect a true hacker trying to playK with your system, his entries are lost in a forest of windows type requestse5 done by people who don't even know they are infected.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:19:11 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>aA Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!o, Message-ID: <3D7B868F.6FF15629@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:E > Of course, in the "commercial" environment, one must also take intorH > account per server/client WS costs for virus package (including annualI > renewal costs for latest virus definitions), batch utility for servers,iH > disk quota utilities (servers), script utility pkg (servers - if logonJ > and maint jobs are relatively large), how much "overhead" is required to7 > keep servers current with security/virus patches etc.o    J On the other hand, owners of VMS system may not have to spend so much timeN fighting viruses, but they have to spend time seeking software, compiling themC on their own system and fully testing because it came from the net.a  M One example is WHOIS , which doesn't come with TCPIP. One must find a copy on-N the net, compile, test and verify it doesn't do anything nasty before allowingH its use on the comemrcial system. On other platforms, this utility comes# "trusted" as part of the tcp stack.>   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:45:55 GMTr4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>A Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!f0 Message-ID: <3D7B8B37.284B2A36@blueyonder.co.uk>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 
 > Michael, > $ > >>> When VMS is free on new PCs<<< > I > The MS OS is certainly not "free" on new PC's. You pay for the MS OS asV0 > part of the PC purchase. It is simply bundled. > 6 > >>> sells with a single user license for $99/copy<<< > # > OpenVMS Hobbyist license is free.h# > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/s > D > There are obviously other area's to compare, but the ones you have' > raised are not good ones you can use.l >   cI However, Kerry, one can legitimately use the MS OS for business purposes,  but not Hobbyist VMS.  --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2002 09:48:56 -0000e4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>S Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?e6 Message-ID: <20020908094856.31364.qmail@nym.alias.net>  B On Thu, 05 Sep 2002, "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote:6 >From the General forum on OpenVMS.org by Jim Johnson:3 >http://www.openvms.org/phorum/read.php?f=6&i=4&t=4i >  >----------------------h > L >I'm interested in finding out what sort of features or capabilities OpenVMSI >customers might find interesting. I have a personal reason for this -- IiL >have a small company that might be interested in building infrastructure orM >integration products for OpenVMS, and I'd like to get a handle on what sortso) >of products there would be a demand for.n >(K >However, I'm also interested generally. I don't hear a lot of conversationaF >in comp.os.vms or in here that I can see could translate into productM >opportunities. Is the market truly dead, or have we all just stopped asking?i > J >So, for right now, I'd like us to brainstorm a bit about what we'd reallyF >like to see to make OpenVMS better in our environments -- it could be7 >additional VMS-specific features, portability aids, ory< >interoperation/integration capabilities. Or something else.   $ MAIL   You have 1 new message.n   MAIL> READ/NEW  '     #1           8-SEP-2002 09:44:36.16 2 From:   SYSTEM       "VMSBOX System Administrator" To:     SYSTEM CC:  Subj:   Test   Hellop   MAIL> REPLY/QUOTE=">"t    I Obviously similar to REPLY/EXTRACT, but does the quoting and wrapping for> you.     Doc. -- t6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.nete   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:36:36 +0200l= From: Martin Heller <martin.heller@NOSPAM.for.me.mheller.org> P Subject: XP prices WAS: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Message-ID: <3D7B4454.1040309@NOSPAM.for.me.mheller.org>   Paul Sture wrote:e  c > In article <unlj7efgo8uedf@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes:e > ( >>Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:E >>: Btw - Windows XP Pro is a $300 (Cdn) upgrade from Windows XP HomehD >>: edition which comes with retail PC's.  XP Pro is what businessesI >>: (commercial) use - not Home Edition. What is this upgrade cost in the  >>: US? In Europe? >>< >>AFAIK, XP Home can be used to produce commercial products. >>; >>And if you check Gateway or Dell, you'll see that you canM4 >>upgrade from XP Home to XP Pro for less than $100. >> > D > That appears to be highly dependent on the country. Take a look at >  >  >>http://dellware.euro.dell.com/dellstore/dellware/bundle/default.asp?s=chbsd&l=en&m=chf&c=CH120301&n=&cu=chbsd&v=d&cc=&ogn=&kcd=&ad=&mc=&rs=&cuid=&cg=&pch=1&pn=0&demo=&page=2&gc=&sbc=chbsddw&co=&man=ALL&x=ze >> >  e > (Sorry if that wraps)e > L > XP Pro upgrade - English CHF 345.71, with the German version unaccountably > even more at 357.05. > I > Last time I looked, 1.5 CHF was roughly 1 USD, for comparison purposes.a > __ > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlande  D You can buy the OEM Version of XP Pro in Germany -legally- for aboutD 175,-- EUR; XP Home costs about 110,-- EUR. These are not upgrades!!C Funny thing is, that the XP Pro license allows you to install NT4.0fC Workstation instead - NT4.0 OEM costs normally about 210,-- EUR ...0  
 Martin HellerX   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:11:27 -0000b/ From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>oT Subject: Re: XP prices WAS: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!/ Message-ID: <unmmkftkkn0rf9@corp.supernews.com>u  > Martin Heller <martin.heller@NOSPAM.for.me.mheller.org> wrote:F : You can buy the OEM Version of XP Pro in Germany -legally- for aboutF : 175,-- EUR; XP Home costs about 110,-- EUR. These are not upgrades!!E : Funny thing is, that the XP Pro license allows you to install NT4.0pE : Workstation instead - NT4.0 OEM costs normally about 210,-- EUR ...p  > The OEM version is the same exact code as the "retail version"C with one exception : MS doesn't support it over telephone or e-mails? for free.  You can still use all the web and knowledge-base re- ? sources for supporot, but there's nop rtel # for custom supports@ (The tel # you get with a retail version is useless, IMO, unless? you like dealing with "help desk" people who know less than youc? for 4-6 hours before they turn you over to the next tier, where . the people who know what they're doing, work).  ? If you know what you're doing, the OEM version is a much betterw purchase decison.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:23:14 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)E Subject: Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha, RISC and IDE? K Message-ID: <rdeininger-0809021323150001@1cust175.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>.  9 In article <G1ze9.398762$UU1.61819@sccrnsc03>, "WarlockD"d  <warlockd@drakesmith.net> wrote:  K >Can't wait for my paycheck.  I mean its perfect.  Takes standard ram, thath; >150Mhz processor seems to completely out do my P2 at home.s >pL >Though I do have a question.  I know the 21064 is a 64bit processor, but itL >takes pairs of DRAM 72-pin.  Each chip is only 16 bit wide.  Is it really aG >64/32.  That is its internally a 64 bit, but the data path is only 32?N  H The DEC 3000-300 has a 64-bit memory bus.  The memory bandwidth for read7 access is listed as 300 MB/s, for write it is 240 MB/s.o  J This is the major performance bottleneck for the 3000-300 family systems. G All the other DEC 3000 systems have 128-bit memory paths.  For example, F the 3000-400 has a slightly slower CPU (133 MHz), but reaches 427 MB/sE memory bandwidth.  Having used both, the -400 "feels" faster than thel -300.     L >Also, is there a turbo channel card out there that can use IDE hard drives?D >I figure with such an open architecture, someone would of made one.  K AFAIK, there is not.  Turbochannel was "retired" before IDE became popular.F  H Several folks here have recently reported success with an adapter widgetJ that connects and IDE drive to SCSI.  That, with the right cable and maybe; a terminator, might let you use IDE drives on the DEC 3000.g   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.496 ************************