1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 09 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 498       Contents: Alpha VMS 7.3 Nonpaged pool 	 RE: am/pm 	 RE: am/pm  Re: Anyone need a RX50?  Re: Anyone need a RX50?  Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB% Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK % Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK A RE: Curly's wisdom on how to handle HP's Enterprise Systems Group  DECserver and VMS installation? 8 Re: DECwindows X11 display server: creating visuals - Re Re: Freeware submissions Re: Freeware submissions7 H-P's Bruce Perens Fired For Being Too Anti-Microsoft ? . Re: Hardware Question . Alphastation 255 266/4. Re: Hardware Question . Alphastation 255 266/4. Re: Hobbyist vs Startup Business and Licensing. Re: Hobbyist vs Startup Business and Licensing7 Re: Humm, I am getting confused between a PDP and a Vax  Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freeware Re: ImageMagick freewareM license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!)   Re: Looking for a VMS favour....= Re: Micro$oft exec says all os's stink ... forgets about VMS! = Re: Micro$oft exec says all os's stink ... forgets about VMS! 8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! Re: Mozilla 1.1 burner of CPU " Re: Pine. Problem with INBOX + pop" Re: Pine. Problem with INBOX + pop" Re: Pine. Problem with INBOX + pop Re: Pine. Setting the clientP Re: Response to NIST's take on noon and midnight (was Re: Is the HP/Compaq merge Re: Sick Alpha PWS Re: Sick Alpha PWS" Re: silliest thing heard this week Re: SMTP server: VRFY: Security  Re: SMTP server: VRFY: Security  Re: SMTP server: VRFY: Security  Re: SMTP server: VRFY: Security * Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)* RE: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800) txt2pdf 6.0 P Re: VAXstation 3100 Model 76 SPX needs accessories, cables, keyboard, mouse and  Re: WEB Browser Text only A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?- Re: YEA!  I have a working Dec 3000 300 alpha   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 02 08:09:07 PST  From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com $ Subject: Alpha VMS 7.3 Nonpaged pool( Message-ID: <RDi4IaDNX1m8@cpva.saic.com>  
 Alpha VMS 7.3   E How is it that SHOW MEMORY reports that nonpaged pool has shrunk from  it's initial size?   $ show mem/pool/full@               System Memory Resources on  9-SEP-2002 07:54:42.49  / Nonpaged Dynamic Memory      (Lists + Variable) L   Current Size (Mb)                 5.71   Current Size (Pagelets)     11712L   Initial Size (Mb)                 6.00   Initial Size (Pagelets)     12304   --   - Jim   ( ...any follow ups to the list please...    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:29:56 -04005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>  Subject: RE: am/pmO Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D50BCE3E@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   G because it means post (after) meridium not past meridium - not how long  since meridium.      -----Original Message-----! From: AG [mailto:ang@xtra.co.nz]   Sent: August 30, 2002 7:35 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: am/pm    4 Just a quick question: Why is high noon called 12pm?4 After all, that stands for "12 hours past meridium".. One would expect it to mean midnight in fact:)  0 Or, how come 11:59:59am + 1 second = 12:00:00pm?  G After all, that thing just said said it's 11:59:59 hours etc before the G meridium. One second later it says the meridium is 12 hours past ... Go 	 figure:-)       I The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and J confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s)L named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agentF responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, anyK review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is J strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theH original message. Please note that for certain accounts we do not acceptK orders and/or instructions by e-mail, and for those accounts we will not be L responsible for carrying out such orders and/or instructions. Kindly refrainL from sending orders or instructions by e-mail unless you have confirmed thatH we accept such communications for your account. Please also note that toJ satisfy regulatory requirements we review the outgoing and incoming e-mail: correspondence of staff members serving certain functions.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:07:43 -04005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>  Subject: RE: am/pmO Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D506B861@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   $ never been to Switzerland, have you?   -----Original Message-----A From: Brian Tillman [mailto:tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com]    Sent: September 04, 2002 2:43 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: am/pm    # >Same thing when I run for the bus.   H It is an unusual bus system if 45 seconds either way makes a difference., What if the bus driver's watch is incorrect? --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company      I The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and J confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s)L named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agentF responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, anyK review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is J strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theH original message. Please note that for certain accounts we do not acceptK orders and/or instructions by e-mail, and for those accounts we will not be L responsible for carrying out such orders and/or instructions. Kindly refrainL from sending orders or instructions by e-mail unless you have confirmed thatH we accept such communications for your account. Please also note that toJ satisfy regulatory requirements we review the outgoing and incoming e-mail: correspondence of staff members serving certain functions.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 06:00:14 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)   Subject: Re: Anyone need a RX50?5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-5XYym3zDJHj3@localhost>   F On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:07:13 UTC, "WarlockD" <warlockd@drakesmith.net>  wrote:  & > Is there anyway to test a RX50 then? >   
 <Big Snip>  2 With a DEC Rainbow :-) They come with diagnostics.  D More seriously,  I don't believe there is an RX50 floppy formatting B tool for VMS. There ones delivered/available for the Rainbow OS's A (CP/M-80/86 and DoMess-DOS). There is also a DOS tool (RX50INIT)   available for PC's.    --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:29:23 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>  Subject: Re: Anyone need a RX50?. Message-ID: <3D7CCC63.39517ED6@mindspring.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  3 > ...everything I have ever seen suggested it was a G > shortcoming of the hardware that made formatting disks impossible.  I H > believe it is the lack of a formatting command in the disk controller.J > If this is the case, then the VAX would be unable to format them either.F > On the PDP, INITIALIZE only creates a file structure.  The disk mustG > already have a valid low level format.  Would this not be true of VMS  > as well??   / You've got it correct. When they were released, / the 400 KB RX50s were "cutting edge" technology 3 and the rotational stability of the RX50 drives was 1 *NOT* sufficient to guarantee formatting a floppy 1 that could be interchanged among all drives. (One 2 too many rubber bands in the drive path, I guess.)  ) Thus, all RX50-Ks were factory formatted.   ' IIRC correctly, the Pro-350/380 *COULD* 1 write low-level formatting if you had the correct ( software. I *THINK* the RQDXn could also2 do it (again, given the correct magical software).) But the end result still wasn't a highly-  interchangeable diskette.    Atlant   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 08:51:23 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB 3 Message-ID: <wbVjyaFQ3IYo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3D7A19CC.8E3F9EA9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > David Froble wrote:  >>   >> David J. Dachtera wrote:  >>   >> > Brian Tillman wrote:  >> >J >> >>>I checked the faq and it doesn't mention how to do this.  Is there aH >> >>>simple way to convert the block figures I get when I do a "dir" to) >> >>>megabytes which is the way I think?  >> >>>K >> >>Since each block is 0.5K, the arithmetic is straight forward.  A close K >> >>approximation is to divide the number of blocks by 2000 and that's the : >> >>megabytes.  For example, 2000 blocks is one megabyte. >> >>  >> > >> > Oops! Try again!  >> >' >> > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say 1024 * 1024  >> > 1048576& >> > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say 512 * 2048 >> > 1048576 >> >K >> > A megabyte is 2048 blocks, not 2000. Remember: machines deal in powers ; >> > of two, REGARDLESS of what the disk salesmen tell you!  >> >H >> > Remember also that 1K = 1024 bytes. Therefore, 0.5K = 512 bytes = 1& >> > block (one track for one sector). >> > >> > >>  S >> Sorry, I'll go with Brian on this one.  Remember, he said "close approximation", P >> and dividing by 2000 will get you close.  With people using x.xx GB, and manyJ >> times ignoring the fractional part of the number, close seems to be Ok. >>  P >> Gee, is this the same Dave that was talking about precision and accuracy last >> evening?  :-) > $ > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say 200000/2048 > 97" > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say 50000/512 > 97 > " > WOW!!! 3% error in both cases!!! > F > If that's "close" to you, I'd avoid working in either the financial,7 > healthcare or scientific industries, if I were you...   + Getting into this silly religious debate...   E There's close and there's close.  And even in finance, healthcare and  science, 3% can be close.   C In the health care field, deltas of well over 50% in pharmaceutical D dosage are usually acceptable.  The concentration in the bloodstreamC of oral antibiotics fluctuates wildly and the notion of managing it E to 3% accuracy using a twice-a-day prescription dispensed in standard  tablets is simply ludicrous.  ? In the financial community, we have estimates of net worth that D can be off by orders of magnitude.  (think Enron).  The stock market> can give you a value estimate that has three or four digits ofD precision.  But a claim that stock price reflects true company value2 to within 3% accuracy would be dubious in general.  @ In science, I really don't care if the gauge on that cylinder of> compressed helium reads 2900 or 3000 psi.  I've got a pressure6 regulator on it and the thing I really I care about is: not running out of helium in the middle of the experiment.  ? In the field of computer system management, I usually find that @ accuracy within ten percent is plenty good enough.  If I have anD 18 gig drive with 12 gig used by project A, 2 gig used by project B,E and 4 gig of free space, it really doesn't matter to me whether those B figures are disk megabytes or memory megabytes.  Truncation versus rounding is a bigger concern.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:29:03 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> ! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB $ Message-ID: <3d7cdad0$1@news.si.com>   >Oops! Try again!   G David, you try again and read what I said this time.  Here is is again:   	 > A close H > approximation is to divide the number of blocks by 2000 and that's the > megabytes.  " Notice the word "approximation"??? --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:52:08 GMT % From: "-Andy-" <acs@fcgnet.works.net> . Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK> Message-ID: <Xns9284458EB740Aacsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>  7 p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) enlightened us with 1 news:$Hv26XZS0Vmk@elias.decus.ch on 09 Sep 2002:      = > Having taken the time to compose a considered reply to your ; > email address (off topic, so I went the private route), I  > received this:   >  >   --Failed delivery to: ! >   Address: acs@fcgnet.works.net  >   Status:  no such host   6 Ahh.... that would be the "extra period" spam defense.; (Though I seemed to have the same problem with your address  this morning also....)   -Andy-   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 07:47:53 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK3 Message-ID: <ZbQJHX6BOuk1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3D795FC6.1D42D3E6@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:   G > I'm told that it's built on a FreeBSD kernel. Dunno if that's true or  > not...  J    I'm not sure about FeeBSD, but it's document claim OS X is built on topE    of a BSD UNIX using a Mach micro-kernel.  The UNIX without the Mac F    GUI is known by the code name Darwin, and the documents show it was    also ported to Intel.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:47:44 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER). Subject: Re: Copy of OpenVMS hobbyist CD in UK4 Message-ID: <QL0f9.51305$1S3.1771049@news.chello.at>  d In article <d0141774.0209050111.6a567eb6@posting.google.com>, issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) writes:C >Interestingly, it took me a little while to find a PC package that G >would image an ODS disk properly, most packages fail to even recognise A >that a disk is in the drive! Does anyone else have any favourite > >methods of achieving this? I'm also aware of MKIMAGE from theE >Softresint people which seems to mimic the *NIX dd command, although 5 >they have now removed this from their download area.   I Recently I had no problems with NERO ("Copy a CD" wizard "Not On-the-fly" C with using the temporary file IMAGE.NRG) or with CloneCD (V3 and V4  "copy CD to file").   L Interestingly, I got a much bigger file with CloneCD for the same ODS2 disk,   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:18:11 -0500/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> J Subject: RE: Curly's wisdom on how to handle HP's Enterprise Systems GroupT Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C8AB@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  C I've heard of at least one OpenVMS Ambassador that was part of thisM
 reduction.   EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**E     > -----Original Message-----1 > From: r_mclean [mailto:bobmclean@bellsouth.net] , > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:50 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComUF > Subject: Re: Curly's wisdom on how to handle HP's Enterprise Systems > Group  >  > ? > Well, about 7,000 have been "workforce reduced" as of today, s > with about 200@ > out of ESG, so the 70% number (which is 10,500) is impossable  > to hit. And he; > is right ESG should be able to make money at the current d > level of sales.- >  > 7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message ? > news:tVTd9.448714$m91.17412495@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...u > >i@ > http://investor.cnet.com/investor/brokeragecenter/newsitem-bro ker/0-9910-108 > 2-20371578-0.html?tag=ltnc >nG > "The key to turning the Enterprise Systems Group (ESG) around is costgJ > cutting. He plans to take out $150-200 million in the next two quarters;H > some 70% of the planned 15,000 headcount reduction could be in ESG. He saidC > that ESG should be able to make money with no revenue growth. Anys( > improvement can be quickly leveraged." >!' > The news just keeps getting better...  >r >f >x   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:19:49 GMTl( From: jkclausen@yahoo.com (John Clausen)( Subject: DECserver and VMS installation?3 Message-ID: <p_2f9.417$ww3.152440@news.randori.com>V  K Hello, I hope this is not off topic, but I am running VMS 7.2 on a 4000/60.i8 I also have a DECserver 200/MC that I would like to use.  H Where would I find some good documentation on setting up this DECserver?> Also, is the software image it is looking for included in VMS?   Thanks in advance for the help,i   John Clausen   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:32:33 GMTn5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>SA Subject: Re: DECwindows X11 display server: creating visuals - Res2 Message-ID: <5i2f9.19$cQ3.438379@news.cpqcorp.net>  E Being a display server "expert" and an X11 application expert are two G seperate things...  and even my old-timers is kicking in on the displayiG server, since by-and-large I mostly manage the group that does the worko these days.   K I looked around for a reasonable example of something that can use multiplesK depths - even when it isn't the default.  I believe that the old version ofuJ XANIM on the freeware CD is a good fit.  Look at XA_X11.C.  It attempts to( find the visual with the greatest depth.  K It loops through the visuals and maximizes the vis.depth) instead of tryinguF to use the depths supported by the screen (which may only be valid forJ pixmaps).  Yes, I believe that you have to create and install a colormap -L the vis.depth value used in the xCreateColormap call determines the depth of
 the colormap.   A The trick with the border is that you have to override the normal-J CopyFromParent since the parent (the window created by the window manager)K will usually have the *default* depth - and you will get a bad match error.h  G I'd suggest the first few pages of chapter 3 in the XWindow System (3rdu$ edition).  In particular page 54-56.   _Fred/  ? Brass Christof wrote in message <3D7A582D.84E5771D@spam.not>.... >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:m >>L >> Sounds like a TGA2 (the 12 bit is a clue).  What visuals are supported is a K >> function of the server DDX.  You can use any/all of the visuals that are J >> supported on the screen.  Some of these (like 1bit) are actually pixmapD >> formats.  The TGA2 as well as some of the 3D adapters can support> >> simultanious use of different visual types and even depths. >>H >> What you were doing was probably right, but there are little gotcha's (well,I >> things that don't jump out at you) if I remember correctly.  So if youm wereI >> trying to create a 24-bit window when the default is set to 8-bit, youl wouldxI >> find the right visual - and  use it.  But pay special attention to allu the:= >> nit-picking parameters - like background/border pixel etc.1 >>L >> I'll see if I can hunt down some code that opens a 24-bit window when the >> default is 8-bit. > E >Thanks, Fred, you are *the* display server expert as we all know :-)h > A >I wrote some test programs and I'm perfectly able to use all thee	 >existingiI >visuals independently of the default visual. There are two nice routinestF >one of which, XGetVisualInfo, can be used to exactly deliver a visual >withf >a certain ID. >eE >My problem is: how can I use a depth of 1, 4, 12 or 32 which doesn'te >matchI >the depth of one of the visuals (all visuals have either depth 8 or 24).g@ >The server reports that it supports depths 1, 4, 8, 12, 24, 32. > B >My routine to create a window with arbitrary depth is as follows: >rI >Window create_window(XVisualInfo *v, Colormap map, int depth, int w, intl >h){ >a >   XSetWindowAttributes xswa; >n5 >   xswa.event_mask = ButtonPressMask | ExposureMask; 1 >   xswa.border_pixel = XBlackPixel(dpy, screen);n >   xswa.colormap = map; >n6 >   return XCreateWindow(dpy, RootWindow(dpy, screen),: >            0, 0, w, h, 0, depth, InputOutput, v->visual,> >            CWEventMask | CWBorderPixel | CWColormap, &xswa); >} >aI >This works fine if "depth" is equal to the depth of the selected visual.eI >But since there are only visuals with depth either 8 or 24 I can't get aeI >window with a depth other than 8 or 24. Therefore I thought it might ev. G >be possible to create a visual with a certain depth and type either byiC >calls to the server or by telling the server to create them during8) >startup by changing some DCL procedures.  > E >If the depth is different from the depth of the chosen visual I get:mF >"BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)" when calling XCreateWindow. >mF >Of course there are two areas of possible problems with this routine. >SD >1.Does the supplied colormap depend on the depth? I don't see how IC >  would specify any depth when creating the colormap or when usingt >  the default colormap. >iA >2.Do I have to create the border_pixel differently? To create myAD >  own Pixmap I have to supply a drawable parameter to XCreatePixmap >  which doesn't exist yet.e >o	 >Christofr   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 07:12:05 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)m! Subject: Re: Freeware submissionse= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0209090612.6a03918b@posting.google.com>l  f cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) wrote in message news:<d56d1c2d.0209060937.dca899a@posting.google.com>...H > Is there anyone out there who has submitted something for inclusion onC > the freeware CD that has any thoughts/feelings they might want to D > share in connection with having done so (good, bad, or otherwise)?  : I submitted some tools to the V5 CD ([KP_CLUSTERTOOLS] and@ [KP_LOCKTOOLS]), and am glad I did so.  If there's a downside, I haven't encountered it.f    The submission process was easy.  C I don't know when the next one will go out.  Keep an eye out for ann announcement here from Hoff.  A I've gotten a few e-mails from folks who've had one difficulty oro@ another in using the tools, and some from others thanking me andD letting me know of their use of the tools, but the volume of e-mails hasn't been significant.  0 What type of difficulty were you warned against?. ----------------------------------------------. Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 07:54:21 -0700t" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe)! Subject: Re: Freeware submissionsn= Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0209090654.58feaaa7@posting.google.com>"  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D79727D.7F977573@fsi.net>... > Joe wrote: > ? > May I assume that his comments were less than enthusiastic orn > encouraging?  A Well - those particular 3 or 4 emails were exchanged 3 or 4 yearsaC back. I don't remember all of the circumstances at this point. I dolE remember that it was the result of some question or other posted here.? in COV to which I responded and then branched off (line) to and9@ exchange between myself and Brian loosely related to my original	 question.A  = It would be correct that my impression of Brian's position on>1 releasing source code was less than enthusiastic.e  B I am online at work at the moment. I didn't get online at all thisC weekend. There have been a number of other things on my mind (theremB has been a number of other things on my mind - an immediate familyA member in an ICU unit at a major east coast hospital is among theAC other things) so what if anything has arrived at my email address Iv don't know.l  D Having said all of that - it's Brian's decision as to whether or not@ he want's to express an opinion on the matter in a public forum.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:19:02 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) @ Subject: H-P's Bruce Perens Fired For Being Too Anti-Microsoft ?; Message-ID: <WR3f9.241111$Yd.9565345@twister.austin.rr.com>e" Keywords: hp,bruce,perens,left,hpq  A Could being too anti-Microsoft be hazard to one's career at H-P ?h A free registration required...h  ;    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/09/technology/09SOFT.htmlt     Balancing Linux and Microsoft     "By STEVE LOHR  A    For nearly two years, Bruce Perens was a senior strategist for <    open-source software at Hewlett-Packard an evangelist and@    rabble-rouser on behalf of a computing counterculture that isH    increasingly moving into the mainstream. Part of the job description,3    he was told, was to "challenge H.P. management."   B    His last day as a Hewlett-Packard employee was 10 days ago. TheH    parting was amicable, Mr. Perens said, but he was fired "officially aD    termination," he noted. "It came after a long, long warning," Mr.F    Perens explained. "The thing that I did that was most hazardous for1    H.P. is the Microsoft-baiting I tend to do..."i    1 C|Net's version didn't mention his being fired...i  ,    http://news.com.com/2100-1001-957065.html8    Open-source stalwart leaves HP - Tech News - CNET.com    m   "By Margaret Kane     Staff Writer, CNET News.com     September 9, 2002, 5:11 AM PT  D    Open-source advocate Bruce Perens has left Hewlett-Packard, after-    spending two years at the computer giant. 0    eF    Perens announced his departure on his Web site. He did not state onE    the site why he was leaving or what his future plans were. NeitherTH    Perens nor HP executives could immediately be reached for comment..."    >  2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaily   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 07:17:56 -0700m8 From: callforunrefpapers@excite.com (callforunrefpapers)7 Subject: Re: Hardware Question . Alphastation 255 266/4t= Message-ID: <48cf56e7.0209090617.46bfb797@posting.google.com>   = Yes, I think you're right (This is Bob with different email),sC DVA0 does show up at the >>> prompt. The manual is very vague abouttC whether it is a SCSI device or not. I've played safe and assumed iteE was to avoid a clash, but there probably is only four taken up, then.i  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KM4ZTEI6289QUS7H@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...K > > If you adding a rack, beware that the internal bits can take up quite aoG > > few SCSI ids: We've got 2 internal disks, so with thst, the CD, theaJ > > floppy, and of course, the controller at Id7, we only had 3 Id's left  > K > That should be four.  I have such a beast myself in my hobbyist cluster. iF > The floppy is not SCSI (at least not on my machine) and comes up as I > DVA0:.  Or were there variants with a SCSI floppy?  It has a total of 7aD > SCSI devices now: an internal disk and CD (the other internal diskJ > crashed a while back), 3 external disks in a Storage Works enclosure (BAE > 356) and two quite big disks (double-height full-width Seagate 9 GB E > disks) in another enclosure.  Without enclosures with short cablingpF > inside, it is difficult to connect 7 devices because of cable-length > problems.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:54:20 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e7 Subject: Re: Hardware Question . Alphastation 255 266/4i; Message-ID: <01KMAYGH3PJ49QVJI2@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n  F > Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message: > news:<01KM4ZTEI6289QUS7H@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...  > M > > > If you adding a rack, beware that the internal bits can take up quite a-I > > > few SCSI ids: We've got 2 internal disks, so with thst, the CD, theiL > > > floppy, and of course, the controller at Id7, we only had 3 Id's left  > > M > > That should be four.  I have such a beast myself in my hobbyist cluster. sH > > The floppy is not SCSI (at least not on my machine) and comes up as K > > DVA0:.  Or were there variants with a SCSI floppy?  It has a total of 7wF > > SCSI devices now: an internal disk and CD (the other internal diskL > > crashed a while back), 3 external disks in a Storage Works enclosure (BAG > > 356) and two quite big disks (double-height full-width Seagate 9 GBvG > > disks) in another enclosure.  Without enclosures with short cabling H > > inside, it is difficult to connect 7 devices because of cable-length
 > > problems.a > ? > Yes, I think you're right (This is Bob with different email),nE > DVA0 does show up at the >>> prompt. The manual is very vague about2E > whether it is a SCSI device or not. I've played safe and assumed it(G > was to avoid a clash, but there probably is only four taken up, then.S  $ Three taken up, four free, I assume.  I If it comes up as DVA0, it's not SCSI---I'm pretty sure about that.  You  F can take off the lid and make sure it is not on the SCSI bus.  If you G have two SCSI devices with the same ID, SHOW ERROR will tell you about . it pretty quickly.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:49:04 +0100 (MET)u9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-7 Subject: Re: Hobbyist vs Startup Business and Licensingr; Message-ID: <01KMALEN2B829OCZIZ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>p  F > A very valid point. It is crazy that I have an Alpha at home capableI > of doing serious work (and yes, it's faster and has more memory than mydI > system at work), yet if I wish to write some commercial software I neede > to fire up NT, Linux or Mac. > A > I see a valid case for some type of "startup" license to targetiB > small business users, starting with someone like me or yourself,D > who would like to develop some useful software for VMS, running upB > to a small company using it for useful things like stock control > and invoicing.  B I have voiced this desire here from time to time, in less or more  detail.E  B > Let me put it another way. Let's leave all this image processingA > and freeware stuff to the Open Source folks. Instead let us get1B > on with true business applications, but at a price we can afford > as startup types.t   That is the market.   E > An example. I would be quite happy to pay <put what you can afford>g? > into the VMS maintenance pot in return for the ability to useyF > my system commercially. No big bucks for the moment, but potentiallyC > a lot more. If it doesn't turn into big money, at least I had theXA > chance to give it a go, and meanwhile Compaq/HP have made a bitl8 > of money I would likely not spend with them otherwise.  E My suggestion: 10% of the after-tax profit.  This is something every oI business should be able to afford (and would be deductible as an expense mG before paying taxes).  If this becomes more than a commercial license, NG the business can and should buy a commercial license.  Perhaps a token g minimum fee of, say, $100.  F It's going to bring in SOME revenue, even if none of these businesses F gets off the ground, and it's going to bring in MORE revenue since it 2 will take ZERO sales from other types of licenses.  E > Yes, I know I should consider the CSA thingy, but from memory, thatgD > still does not allow me to run applications on a commercial basis.  D That's for folks who DEVELOP commercial apps, not for folks who use 
 them.  :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:52:04 GMTm4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>7 Subject: Re: Hobbyist vs Startup Business and Licensingr0 Message-ID: <3D7CDE21.25532168@blueyonder.co.uk>   Paul Sture wrote:c > i > In article <3D7B8B37.284B2A36@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:  > >f > >r > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > >>
 > >> Michael,  > >>' > >> >>> When VMS is free on new PCs<<<i > >>L > >> The MS OS is certainly not "free" on new PC's. You pay for the MS OS as3 > >> part of the PC purchase. It is simply bundled.l > >>9 > >> >>> sells with a single user license for $99/copy<<<7 > >>& > >> OpenVMS Hobbyist license is free.& > >> http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/ > >>G > >> There are obviously other area's to compare, but the ones you haveT* > >> raised are not good ones you can use. > >> > >oM > > However, Kerry, one can legitimately use the MS OS for business purposes,q > > but not Hobbyist VMS.  > F > A very valid point. It is crazy that I have an Alpha at home capableI > of doing serious work (and yes, it's faster and has more memory than myeI > system at work), yet if I wish to write some commercial software I need  > to fire up NT, Linux or Mac. > A > I see a valid case for some type of "startup" license to target B > small business users, starting with someone like me or yourself,D > who would like to develop some useful software for VMS, running upB > to a small company using it for useful things like stock control > and invoicing. > B > Let me put it another way. Let's leave all this image processingA > and freeware stuff to the Open Source folks. Instead let us getkB > on with true business applications, but at a price we can afford > as startup types.- > E > An example. I would be quite happy to pay <put what you can afford>l? > into the VMS maintenance pot in return for the ability to use F > my system commercially. No big bucks for the moment, but potentiallyC > a lot more. If it doesn't turn into big money, at least I had theaA > chance to give it a go, and meanwhile Compaq/HP have made a bite8 > of money I would likely not spend with them otherwise. >    Paul,a  E Yes, this has been my point for a long time. Actually, I now have got C VMS hobbyist running under ts10 on my linux box. I have VMS running 
 on Wintel!  M I quite like the idea of a low cost Small Bizness VMS licence without support  or warranty.E Maybe make it VAX only (how fast is ts10 on the latest Pentium box?),.: but I'd prefer to be able to use cheap/old alphas as well.  J Provide the same licences as hobbyiest program. ie let people who know howM really develop killer VMS apps, use VMS as a multi-platform cross-development 1 environment, all the stuff it really is good at. C  L When you want to play with the big boys (ie want a support contract) you can
 join CSA etc.a  N Your clients have the same choice, deploy on CheapVMS without contract supportO or pay the price for the supported product/services. Depends on their buisinessb needs. e  P I'm sure there are a few wrinkles in this reasoning. Some might consider it willH devalue to overall perception of VMS, or will eat into support revenues.  K Now, how long before someone blows a minimal linux kernel running ts10 intod# a replacement BIOS for Intel boxes?   a  / > This is, after all, what M$ allows one to do.s > E > Yes, I know I should consider the CSA thingy, but from memory, thathD > still does not allow me to run applications on a commercial basis.   AFAIR, that is true.    	 regards, p   > __ > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland    -- e tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk .  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:25:03 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>@ Subject: Re: Humm, I am getting confused between a PDP and a Vax. Message-ID: <3D7CCB5F.C3B9ABC2@mindspring.com>   Paul Winalski wrote:  B > I assume you mean the PDP-11.  'PDP' was the product designation( > used for most of DEC's computer lines: >  > PDP-1, PDP-9, PDP-15 > PDP-5, PDP-8 > PDP-6, PDP-10, > PDP-11 >e& > and I've probably forgotten several.  - There wasn't any PDP-13, and I don't think we * ever had any PDP >=17 (The DECsystem/20 or3 however it's capitalized/punctuated doesn't count).r  3 I don't remember the details of the PDP-2 and PDP-3n+ but I think they were all 18-bitters in the  PDP-1 vein..  * I *THINK* the PDP-4 was a 12-bit system in the PDP-5/PDP-8 vein.o  , The PDP-7 was definitely an 18-bitter in the) PDP-9and PDP-15 family. (It was the first  Unix machine!!!)  " The PDP-12 was a PDP-8 with a LINC0 processor (and was the successor to the LINC-8).  ( The PDP-14 was a 1-bit processor used as( a PLC (Programmable Logic Controller) in* industrial applications. It existed in two* flavors: A system built out of small flip-+ chips and a later system built upon a PDP-8s% Omnibus and using a PDP-8 Core memorye system as its "ROM".  + The PDP-16 wasn't really a computer per so.t, It was a set of modules with which you could. implement simple RTL (Register Transfer Logic)
 computers.   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 08:57:41 +0200t' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>t! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewared0 Message-ID: <3D7C4665.10009@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   Glenn Randers-Pehrson wrote:e > Herbert Stoeri <stoeri@iap.tuwien.ac.at> wrote in message news:<3D7A31DE.50008@iap.tuwien.ac.at>...  >  > @ >>If that's the problem, I might be able to help with an account@ >>with ample quotas on a cluster of two DS10's with good networkD >>connectivity. Even remote X tunneled through ssh might be possible@ >>off peak hours. Unfortunately, I dont' have a VAX anymore. The? >>system is now  VMS 7.2-1 and will be 7.3 soon. All compilers, A >>MMS, etc are available. I can install extra software if needed.I >  > ? > Thanks.  "off peak hours" would not be a problem since we are @ > east coast US so our evening is your wee hours of the morning. > , > Paul Sture (p_sture@elias.decus.ch) wrote: >  >   >>I have privately emailed Glenn >  > " > [with an offer to help]. Thanks. >  > 
 >>My problems- >>with this are: >>C >>a) does the VMS Hobbyist license cover me here? I am not going to( >>  violate that.j >  > H > I looked at the VMS Hobbyist page and am not sure.  People are allowedJ > to use the resulting ImageMagick sources in commercial products although0 > the ImageMagick VMS source itself is freeware. >  >yH I do not expect objections from HP/Compaq. They distribute the source ofD Imagemagick themselves with (commercial) versions of OpenVMS on the F "freeware CD" which is also on Compaq's FTP-site for free downloading.' (Can HP/Compaq comment on this Hoff???)a                      Jouk    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:19:47 +0100u( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewaree) Message-ID: <3D7C67B3.D16BF74B@127.0.0.1>m   Paul Sture wrote:  > I > In that case, I strongly suspect that the "pristine condition" has someoF > false assumptions about VMS. Please post a copy of make.com, so that > we can offer suggestions.f  B Having built this, it merely needs RW access to the full directoryB structure and to the C compiler. I've used the identical directoryF structure to build a VAX and an ALpha version with no modifications toG the distribution. I'm quite sure that a file area and sufficient space,(B and access to the usual non privileged user level commands will be perfectly adequate.n  D (I wish I could say the same for PGP 263i - still struggling on VAX)   -- n? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesu nclews at csc dot comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:21:44 +0200r3 From: Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de> ! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewaret0 Message-ID: <3D7C7638.7020904@iaf.fraunhofer.de>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0801060908030609000900059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowedl Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitn   Herbert Stoeri wrote:  > Glenn Randers-Pehrson wrote: > B >> Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de> wrote in message # >> news:<3d771105$1@news.fhg.de>...  >> >>H >>> Now I got the message that version 3.4.9 will be the last supported J >>> version for OpenVMS. I'm asking all users of this software to send an I >>> e-mail to magick-announce@imagemagick.org requesting further support.e >> >> >> >> That's 5.4.9 not 3.4.9. >>J >> The magick-announce list is an outgoing list only, like most -announce 	 >> lists.s6 >> Mail sent to it will probably bounce or be ignored. >>K >> Sending us a bunch of requests for VMS support would be rather pointlesseL >> anyhow.  The announcement explains that we've lost access to a VMS systemD >> for testing.  Send a VMS platform instead and become an official  >> ImageMagick
 >> "sponsor".i >> >> Glenn >  > @ > If that's the problem, I might be able to help with an account@ > with ample quotas on a cluster of two DS10's with good networkD > connectivity. Even remote X tunneled through ssh might be possible@ > off peak hours. Unfortunately, I dont' have a VAX anymore. The? > system is now  VMS 7.2-1 and will be 7.3 soon. All compilers,eA > MMS, etc are available. I can install extra software if needed.o > E > I would have to check the conditions of our campus license. I don'tg  > expect problems here, however. >   O I run MAKE_JAKOBUS.COM as standard OpenVMS user after some changes of MAKE.COM aS reflecting my setup. I've attached the file MAKE_JAKOBUS.COM. The critical part is:r  C   $    link/share/exe=magickshr.exe   [.magick]libMagick.olb/lib, -t     [.coders]libCoders.olb/lib, -/    USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.TTF]LIBTTF.OLB/lib, -t1    USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.JPEG]libjpeg.olb/lib, -t@    USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.PNG-105.LIBPNG-1_0_5]libpng.olb/lib, -B    USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.TIFF.TIFF-V3_5_2.LIBTIFF]tiff.olb/lib, -6    USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.PNG-105.ZLIB]libz.olb/lib, -    []magickshr.opt/opt $   L I got an e-mail from valhalla@imagemagick.org who is the OpenVMS maintainer:  K      "I currently have access to VMS until around Nov 1 when the machine is O      being retired.  There are two ways to ensure continued support for the VMS.K      distribution: 1) get me an account on an OpenVMS machine or 2) you can $      maintain the VMS distribution."  M This reply is send to valhalla@imagemagick.org too, so maybe we will have an o  ImageMagick 5.5 for OpenVMS too.     Regards, Theo  & --------------080106090803060900090005 Content-Type: text/plain;   name="make_jakobus.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bits Content-Disposition: inline;  filename="make_jakobus.com"   $!. $! Make ImageMagick X image utilities for VMS. $!( $! 9-NOV-2001 Jakobus! on error continue# $! 9-NOV-2001 Jakobus! deass magickw1 $! 22-APR-2002 Extensions for my system   Jakobus>
 $ set noon $n $ option := 'p1' $ if option .eqs. "CLEAN"I $ then) $    deletee/log [.magick]libMagick.olb;*a) $    deletee/log [.coders]libCoders.olb;*n	 $    exite $ endifn $ if option .eqs. "REALCLEAN"y $ then6 $    deletee/log [.magick]libMagick.olb;*,[...]*.obj;*6 $    deletee/log [.coders]libCoders.olb;*,[...]*.obj;*	 $    exite $ endif  $ if option .eqs. "DISTCLEAN"  $ thenN $    deletee/log [.magick]libMagick.olb;*,[...]*.obj;*,*.exe;*,magickshr.olb;*N $    deletee/log [.coders]libCoders.olb;*,[...]*.obj;*,*.exe;*,magickshr.olb;*	 $    exit. $ endifs $ if option .eqs. "NOSHR"b $ then $    share := nl $    option := $ endift $ if option .nes. "" $ then4 $    write sys$error "Unknown option \", option, "\"	 $    exith $ endifl $ p1 := $ $link_options="/nodebug/notraceback"B $if (f$trnlnm("X11") .eqs. "") then define/nolog X11 decw$include: $library_options=""s$ $compile_options="/nodebug/optimize"7 $if (f$search("sys$system:decc$compiler.exe") .nes. ""))% $then       ! VAX with DEC C compilerr+ $  compile_options="/decc/nodebug/optimize"c $  library_options="_decc"O $else       ! VAX with VAX C compiler, (GCC library needed for PNG format only),/ $  define/nolog lnk$library sys$library:vaxcrtl  $  define/nolog sys sys$share-] $  if (f$trnlnm("gnu_cc") .nes. "") then define/nolog lnk$library_1 gnu_cc:[000000]gcclib.olbJ $endif$ $if (f$getsyi("HW_MODEL") .gt. 1023)' $then       ! Alpha with DEC C compilere( $  define/nolog sys decc$library_includeD $  compile_options="/nodebug/optimize/prefix=all/name=(as_is,short)" $  library_options="_axp"l $  share := 'share'y $else 
 $  share := ns $endif $ ' $write sys$output "Making in [.magick]"h $set default [.magick] $@make $set default [-]' $write sys$output "Making in [.coders]"  $set default [.coders] $@make $set default [-] $y
 $ if share $ then. $    write sys$output "Making shareable image" $!7 $! The libraries are representing my setup.	22-APR-2002s $!A $    link/share/exe=magickshr.exe   [.magick]libMagick.olb/lib, -t   [.coders]libCoders.olb/lib, -r.   USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.TTF]LIBTTF.OLB/lib, -0   USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.JPEG]libjpeg.olb/lib, -?   USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.PNG-105.LIBPNG-1_0_5]libpng.olb/lib, - A   USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.TIFF.TIFF-V3_5_2.LIBTIFF]tiff.olb/lib, -n5   USER$DISK:[IMAGEMAGICK.PNG-105.ZLIB]libz.olb/lib, -c   []magickshr.opt/opt 1 $ libr/crea/share/log magickshr.olb magickshr.exe ! $    set file/trunc magickshr.olbV $    purge magickshr.olb+ $    link_libraries := [-]magickshr.olb/libhC $    define/nolog magickshr 'f$environment("default")'magickshr.exe B $    write sys$output "Shareable image logical MAGICKSHR defined:" $    show logi magickshr $ else4 $    link_libraries := [.magick]libMagick.olb/lib, -   [.coders]libCoders.olb/lib, -    [.jpeg]libjpeg.olb/lib, - *   [.PNG-105.LIBPNG-1_0_5]libpng.olb/lib, -,   [.TIFF.TIFF-V3_5_2.LIBTIFF]tiff.olb/lib, -   [.PNG-105.ZLIB]libz.olb/lib,-t9   SYS$COMMON:[SYSFONT.FREETYPE-2_0_6.LIB]FREETYPE.OLB/lib0 $ ENDIF2 $! Not found 22-APR-2002 $!  sys$library:df.olb/lib, -d" $!  sys$library:libjbig.olb/lib, - $!  sys$library:libbz2.olb/lib $! endif $ define magick [-.magick] $ set def [.utilities]D $if ((p1 .nes. "") .and. (p1 .nes. "DISPLAY")) then goto SkipDisplay% $write sys$output "Making Display..."w $call Make display.c $ " $link'link_options' display.obj, -!   'link_libraries',sys$input:/opt "   sys$share:decw$xlibshr.exe/share $f- $display:==$'f$environment("default")'displaya- $write sys$output "..symbol DISPLAY defined."i $ 
 $SkipDisplay:uB $if ((p1 .nes. "") .and. (p1 .nes. "IMPORT")) then goto SkipImport$ $write sys$output "Making Import..." $call Make import.cs $l! $link'link_options' import.obj, - !   'link_libraries',sys$input:/opt."   sys$share:decw$xlibshr.exe/share $ + $import:==$'f$environment("default")'import , $write sys$output "..symbol IMPORT defined." $SkipImport: $gD $if ((p1 .nes. "") .and. (p1 .nes. "ANIMATE")) then goto SkipAnimate% $write sys$output "Making Animate..."u $call Make animate.c $d" $link'link_options' animate.obj, -!   'link_libraries',sys$input:/opt "   sys$share:decw$xlibshr.exe/share $ - $animate:==$'f$environment("default")'animateu- $write sys$output "..symbol ANIMATE defined."i $y
 $SkipAnimate:fD $if ((p1 .nes. "") .and. (p1 .nes. "MONTAGE")) then goto SkipMontage% $write sys$output "Making Montage..."e $call Make montage.c $n" $link'link_options' montage.obj, -!   'link_libraries',sys$input:/opti"   sys$share:decw$xlibshr.exe/share $%- $montage:==$'f$environment("default")'montagee- $write sys$output "..symbol MONTAGE defined."u $b
 $SkipMontage: D $if ((p1 .nes. "") .and. (p1 .nes. "MOGRIFY")) then goto SkipMogrify% $write sys$output "Making Mogrify..."s $call Make mogrify.c $c" $link'link_options' mogrify.obj, -!   'link_libraries',sys$input:/optr"   sys$share:decw$xlibshr.exe/share $e- $mogrify:==$'f$environment("default")'mogrifyo- $write sys$output "..symbol MOGRIFY defined."k $E
 $SkipMogrify:tD $if ((p1 .nes. "") .and. (p1 .nes. "CONVERT")) then goto SkipConvert% $write sys$output "Making Convert..."s $call Make convert.c $i" $link'link_options' convert.obj, -!   'link_libraries',sys$input:/opta"   sys$share:decw$xlibshr.exe/share $:- $convert:==$'f$environment("default")'converto- $write sys$output "..symbol CONVERT defined."y
 $SkipConvert:nF $if ((p1 .nes. "") .and. (p1 .nes. "IDENTIFY")) then goto SkipIdentify& $write sys$output "Making Identify..." $call Make identify.cS $e# $link'link_options' identify.obj, -2!   'link_libraries',sys$input:/opte"   sys$share:decw$xlibshr.exe/share $r/ $identify:==$'f$environment("default")'identify>. $write sys$output "..symbol IDENTIFY defined." $SkipIdentify:H $if ((p1 .nes. "") .and. (p1 .nes. "COMPOSITE")) then goto SkipComposite' $write sys$output "Making Composite..."  $call Make composite.c $>$ $link'link_options' composite.obj, -!   'link_libraries',sys$input:/optO"   sys$share:decw$xlibshr.exe/share $h1 $composite:==$'f$environment("default")'compositea/ $write sys$output "..symbol COMPOSITE defined."s $SkipComposite:r $set default [-], $copy [.magick]magic.mgk sys$login:magic.mgk. $copy [.magick]colors.mgk sys$login:colors.mgk4 $copy [.coders]delegates.mgk sys$login:delegates.mgk0 $copy [.coders]modules.mgk sys$login:modules.mgk* $copy [.coders]type.mgk sys$login:type.mgk $type sys$inpute  6 Use this command to specify which X server to contact:  &   $set display/create/node=node_name::   or  3   $set display/create/node=nodename/transport=tcpipa  E This can be done automatically from your LOGIN.COM with the following  command:  0   $if (f$trnlmn("sys$rem_node") .nes. "") then -7   $  set display/create/node='f$trnlmn("sys$rem_node")'a $exitc $a $Make: subroutinef $! $! Primitive MMS hack for DCL. $! $if (p1 .eqs. "") then exitn' $source_file=f$search(f$parse(p1,".c"))c $if (source_file .nes. "") $then 3 $  object_file=f$parse(source_file,,,"name")+".obj"e& $  object_file=f$search( object_file ) $  if (object_file .nes. "") $  then 4 $    object_time=f$file_attribute(object_file,"cdt")4 $    source_time=f$file_attribute(source_file,"cdt")@ $    if (f$cvtime(object_time).lts.f$cvtime(source_time)) then - $      object_file=""p $  endif $  if (object_file .eqs. "") $  then % $    write sys$output "Compiling ",p1eB $    cc'compile_options'/include_directory=[.magick] 'source_file' $  endif $endif $exitn $endsubroutine  ( --------------080106090803060900090005--   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 05:22:58 -0700i1 From: randeg@alum.rpi.edu (Glenn Randers-Pehrson) ! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freeware = Message-ID: <4b254661.0209090422.12d74809@posting.google.com>r  Z p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote in message news:<sK7mfTO4VsZa@elias.decus.ch>...s > In article <4b254661.0209080437.2ce50b2e@posting.google.com>, randeg@alum.rpi.edu (Glenn Randers-Pehrson) writes:w > >  > >>b) "sufficient permissions"s > > M > > I meant the ability to test the make.com in its pristine condition, which H > > means having permission to write in whatever directories the defaultK > > configuration wants to write in.  I realize make.com can be modified to Q > > write in a user directory but the test is more satisfactory without modifyingr > > it.p > >  > I > In that case, I strongly suspect that the "pristine condition" has somenF > false assumptions about VMS. Please post a copy of make.com, so that > we can offer suggestions.n  M It's in the vms distribution at ftp://ftp.imagemagick.org/pub/ImageMagick/vmst  K It's is more likely that _I_ made some false assumptions, since I come fromlH a *nix (am I allowed to say *nix here?  If not, sorry!) background whereI ImageMagick by default installs its utilities in /usr/local/bin where thee, run-of-the-mill user isn't allowed to write.  G I will be knowing more about VMS pretty soon, thanks to several helpfuldO responses here and off-list, and expect to continue VMS support of ImageMagick.L  O BTW the ImageMagick source being distributed by the Compaq freeware site is therN most ancient I have seen in quite a while.  Version 3.2.something while we are	 at 5.4.9.b   GlennP   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:51:40 GMTlF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewarec2 Message-ID: <wP0f9.12$9N3.343132@news.cpqcorp.net>  q In article <4b254661.0209070655.789a6ffe@posting.google.com>, randeg@alum.rpi.edu (Glenn Randers-Pehrson) writes:t >iI >Not from HP in particular.  Also we don't actually need the system, justdN >access to one, with a couple hundred MB disc quota and sufficient permissionsG >to be able to install software in the usual places.  We have a similarI) >requirement for access to an SGI system.D  = Have you looked at EncompasServe?  You can get an account for 8 free, and you would have access to a large group of very8 experienced developers who will be happy to help you get9 freeware working on VMS, and you can have a place to makep
 it available.s   TELNET EISNER.ENCOMPASSERVE.COMl  = and look at the login banner on how you can create an accounts and get started.   -- i(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have aT5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.-   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:10:54 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)f! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freeware0+ Message-ID: <ali6ku$gq9$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>o  W In article <3D795F48.9050401@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:i >Glenn Randers-Pehrson wrote:> >tO >Don't know what new sales are like, nor what maintenance fees are, but unless nJ >they're trivial, the hardware cost seems to be rather trivial.  It's the - >development costs that could be significant.k >uN >If there truly are a "bunch" of users requesting support, it would seem that & >you're throwing away a profit center. >,L >If I were a serious user, I'd exchange my next X months support fees for a $ >system, if you'd accept that offer. >m/ >Or, are you fishing for a free system from HP?  >r >Daveu >o  = As the title says this is freeware (public domain software).  I Although there are a bunch of users wanting ImageMagick (myself included).N there aren't going to be any profits (unless they change from being freeware).    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:49:04 +0200d' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>c! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freeware 2 Message-ID: <3D7CB4E0.5060500@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   Theo Jakobus wrote:bC > I got an e-mail from valhalla@imagemagick.org who is the OpenVMS h
 > maintainer:c > L >     "I currently have access to VMS until around Nov 1 when the machine isI >     being retired.  There are two ways to ensure continued support for  	 > the VMS L >     distribution: 1) get me an account on an OpenVMS machine or 2) you can% >     maintain the VMS distribution."@ > G > This reply is send to valhalla@imagemagick.org too, so maybe we will B* > have an ImageMagick 5.5 for OpenVMS too.  I If it will be option 2) the critical question is: Are the maintainers of s@ Imagemagick going to accept patches from one or two of us to be H incorporated in the "offical" distribution? I think in the VMS comunity B there are enough volunteers to maintain the software (i.e. myself)                          Joukt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:20:09 +0200i2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freeware ; Message-ID: <3d7cbc29.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>e  2 Glenn Randers-Pehrson (randeg@alum.rpi.edu) wrote:M > It's is more likely that _I_ made some false assumptions, since I come frompD > a *nix (am I allowed to say *nix here?  If not, sorry!) background  ? Sure you can say *nix here. _We_ do know which OS to prefer ;-)h   > whereiK > ImageMagick by default installs its utilities in /usr/local/bin where the.. > run-of-the-mill user isn't allowed to write.  = Err... yes. Without knowing how it's currently being handled:5  F The usual way to "install" under VMS is to define a logical name (sortD of an environment variable, but in a hierarchical super environment)D that points to the installation directory. For testing purposes, youF define it in the process' or job's context. For a *real* installation,> you would then define it in the system context (which requiresF privileges). The point is: besides the visibility, there's no (or veryG little) difference. So in building and testing, you don't normally neede privileges under VMS.   I > I will be knowing more about VMS pretty soon, thanks to several helpfuliD > responses here and off-list, and expect to continue VMS support of > ImageMagick.  = Right. Go ahead. Welcome to the world's most wonderful OS ;-)r   cu,o   Martin -- yJ One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.defJ One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:07:23 GMTn4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freeware'0 Message-ID: <3D7CD3A9.31CCD8CD@blueyonder.co.uk>  E For VAX support a copy of ts10 and a hobbyist licence should be fine,  surely?      -- a tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk e  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:28:38 GMTe4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>! Subject: Re: ImageMagick freewareM0 Message-ID: <3D7CD8A3.AD44BCE7@blueyonder.co.uk>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > o > In article <20020908093532.18910.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:K >  > >>b) "sufficient permissions"t > >U, > > Suitably vague as to sound sinister. :-) > I > I once ran into a commercial "product" that required all users have the,F > Bypass privilege since "without Bypass, Cobol programs on VMS cannot > share files".   H damn Cobol developers, know almost as little about security as Microsoft	 ones :-).   ( Sorry, to any clued up Cobol developres. -- h tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk t  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:35:26 +0100 (MET)i9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>iV Subject: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!); Message-ID: <01KMAVNVMU729QVJI2@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n  - > Transferred with a used machine it is $300.o  F True, but with a used machine, it probably has a license for a rather 9 old version of VMS.  How much to run the current version?e  H Mind you, this is an issue for only a small---but important---minority: F hobbyists pay nothing and for big shops the costs are peanuts.  We DO . need something like a startup license, though!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:41:21 +0100tE From: Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net>s) Subject: Re: Looking for a VMS favour....m8 Message-ID: <ktqonuou711c0a34neve8onls9bdrk9s3o@4ax.com>  3 On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:14:21 +0100, Jamie Stallwood 6 <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> wrote:  B >I am bringing my new (old!) VaxStation 3100 to life but it has no' >MACRO so can't transfer anything over.* >j >I would like to install CMU-IPeF >(http://www.agh.cc.kcl.ac.uk/files/vms/cmu-tcpip/) but have no way of >transferring binary savesets. > F >I have installed VMS_UNSHARE from the HG archive. If anybody can helpG >by VMS_SHARE'ing the 4 savesets I would be grateful if they could mail  >me. >( >Thnaksq >Jamie Stallwood  A Well, I tried using Kermit-32 to transfer the savesets from my NTd@ machine to VMS, but they got all knacked up ("Record too big forF buffer"). VMS to VMS would probably be fine, but sadly I only have the
 one VAX :(   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 05:50:10 -0700m( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)F Subject: Re: Micro$oft exec says all os's stink ... forgets about VMS!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0209090450.799fe5fe@posting.google.com>n  v "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<KoUe9.199954$8aG1.150586@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...* > "Everhart" <ge@gce.com> wrote in message' > news:alefjn$rci$1@bob.news.rcn.net...gF > > I believe that Microsoft is trying hard to spin its own insecurityC > > as a generic problem and would do so whether it knows about VMStH > > and OS/400 or not. These statements are not innocent uninformedness;M > > they are deception and attempts to conceal the existence of alternatives.sE > > Neither are they mentioning the next two runner-up candidates forhN > > half decent security, NSA enhanced Linux (which they have been trying hard2 > > to make go away) and PitBull enhanced Solaris. > >oL > > It is pretty clear that the whole direction of making everything able toK > > call everything else transparently has been a security disaster, and it:I > > has been built tightly into Microsoft's whole software system so thatII > > reworking it would in effect mean Microsoft could now start trying to1N > > engineer a system that works like some of the secure ones from scratch, ifK > > it truly wanted to attain secure operation, rather than convince peoplerJ > > that a few more kludge patches is the best that can be had. After all,M > > they convinced many that power cycling boxes multiple times a day was theiM > > best an OS vendor could do. If they succeed they can continue business asiJ > > usual, with a few new wrinkles, or possibly they will be able to get aK > > non-consumer-controllable appliance (Palladium) that might just be able.J > > to block some attacks, at the cost of also blocking customer choice of >  whatML > > the platform runs. (Darn if I will pay for a box that wants to be locked
 >  againstJ > > me. When I pay for a box I pay for the right to do with it as I like.) > >iH > > Obviously anywhere we can point out that there exist several already	 >  secure.F > > OS choices, of which VMS is arguably the best, it will dispel this > misinformation.a >  > N > All Microsoft has to do is cut a deal to buy VMS from HP. Then they'll stick< > the Windows api on top of it and call it Secure WindowsVMS  H I have been posting this idea on comp.windows for several years now, but6 I guess Bill does not want to to the "smart" thing ...   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:27:18 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)tF Subject: Re: Micro$oft exec says all os's stink ... forgets about VMS!+ Message-ID: <aliekm$jdu$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>o  q In article <KoUe9.199954$8aG1.150586@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:1 >e) >"Everhart" <ge@gce.com> wrote in messagee& >news:alefjn$rci$1@bob.news.rcn.net...K >> the platform runs. (Darn if I will pay for a box that wants to be lockeds >againstI >> me. When I pay for a box I pay for the right to do with it as I like.)a >>G >> Obviously anywhere we can point out that there exist several alreadya >secure E >> OS choices, of which VMS is arguably the best, it will dispel thise >misinformation. >o >gM >All Microsoft has to do is cut a deal to buy VMS from HP. Then they'll sticki; >the Windows api on top of it and call it Secure WindowsVMS  >  >n  J Not unless they first fix the Windows messaging API. Otherwise WindowsVMS # suddenly becomes extremely insecure   - see http://security.tombom.co.uk/shatter.htmlo  O Inject and execute arbitrary code in another process, just because that processlJ (privileged or unprivileged) has opened a window on your desktop, without   yourself needing any privileges.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 08:28:56 -0600.- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)wA Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!n3 Message-ID: <J4AJs6dnsRLl@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  a In article <uno50k9sunkvbb@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes: ( > Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:
 > : Mike - > H > :>>> And if you check Gateway or Dell, you'll see that you can upgrade2 > : from XP Home to XP Pro for less than $100. <<< > G > : Ok, I did. Check this out from Dell: (I am assuming Gateway will bes > : similar) > B > Ok, so prices went up.  When I was looking last was about 9 mos.- > ago so maybe they were introductory prices.  >  > Ok, so XP pro is about $300. > * > How much is VMS with a license?  $5,000?  + Transferred with a used machine it is $300.k   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:32:37 GMTs- From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@hp.com> A Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!t% Message-ID: <3D7CA139.4060105@hp.com>u  H Note: I have not actually tried this, and do not wish to restart Apache  in order to do so, BUT:g
 what would' Redirect 301 /scripts http://127.0.0.1/o/ do? (and similar lines for /c, /d, /msadc etc.)l   ~Mikek   JF Mezei wrote:d > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > M >>>Wanna see some web logs? Sorry, but my VMS system doesn't have a directoryaM >>>winnt on a disk called c: (neither does my NT system for that matter :-) )e >>? >>You could program your VMS system to respond to such requestsh> >>v e r y   s l o w l y, sort of like keeping the kidnapper on* >>the phone long enough to trace the call. >  > O > I have a microvax II. I don't need to program it to reply very slowly. Yet, I N > got tired of the web server constantly writing useless stuff to its logs. SoN > while my ISP blocked port 80 requests from the "internet", I blocked port 80N > requests from my ISP to prevent my log fils from filling up the disk drives. > L > For a corporation, the problem with this situation is that you get so manyP > "windows" requests that it becomes hard to detect a true hacker trying to playM > with your system, his entries are lost in a forest of windows type requests 7 > done by people who don't even know they are infected.)   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 15:42:30 GMT_( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!-6 Message-ID: <alifh6$1pb3r8$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  ' In article <3D7A1885.12FFCD2D@fsi.net>,r4 	"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >:I > ...because OVMS hobby still has the "non-commercial" poison pill in it.n > D > For VMS to live, thrive and survive, it's gonna take "affordable". > C > ...although like OpenVMS-IA32, I'm probably the only one here who5# > believes and/or understands that.. >   H No, there are a lot of us in education who know that as well.  But then, nobody listens to us either.  F (Extending the Hobbyist License to cover all purely academic use would9 go a long way.  But that's been said before too.   Sigh.)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:47:58 -0400% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> A Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! / Message-ID: <unpk5vjo4ev19b@news.supernews.com>s  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:J4AJs6dnsRLl@eisner.encompasserve.org...MB > In article <uno50k9sunkvbb@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Zarlenga  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes:* > > Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote: > > : Mike - > >hJ > > :>>> And if you check Gateway or Dell, you'll see that you can upgrade4 > > : from XP Home to XP Pro for less than $100. <<< > >eI > > : Ok, I did. Check this out from Dell: (I am assuming Gateway will be  > > : similar) > >.D > > Ok, so prices went up.  When I was looking last was about 9 mos./ > > ago so maybe they were introductory prices.1 > >4  > > Ok, so XP pro is about $300. > >S, > > How much is VMS with a license?  $5,000? >R- > Transferred with a used machine it is $300.$  L That's a bit of a stretch Larry.  You're comparing the cost of a new licenseF to the cost of transferring a license from one owner to another?  Why?  G If someone really wants to compare the cost of OpenVMS with the cost of F Windows NT/2000/XP then you have to look at the price for Windows 2000L Datacenter Edition.  I don't know what that price is but I'm sure it's a lot more than $300.f   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:33:16 GMTn4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>A Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!t0 Message-ID: <3D7CD9B9.7159EDA5@blueyonder.co.uk>   JF Mezei wrote:m >  > "Main, Kerry" wrote:G > > Of course, in the "commercial" environment, one must also take intoaJ > > account per server/client WS costs for virus package (including annualK > > renewal costs for latest virus definitions), batch utility for servers, J > > disk quota utilities (servers), script utility pkg (servers - if logonL > > and maint jobs are relatively large), how much "overhead" is required to9 > > keep servers current with security/virus patches etc.- > L > On the other hand, owners of VMS system may not have to spend so much timeP > fighting viruses, but they have to spend time seeking software, compiling themE > on their own system and fully testing because it came from the net.F > O > One example is WHOIS , which doesn't come with TCPIP. One must find a copy on P > the net, compile, test and verify it doesn't do anything nasty before allowingJ > its use on the comemrcial system. On other platforms, this utility comes% > "trusted" as part of the tcp stack.   6 JF, my Mandrake 8.2 system doesn;t have whois either, & and I thought unix was a standard :-).   -- r tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk r  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 11:51:06 +0200 7 From: Alain Chappuis <alain.chappuis@medecine.unige.ch>u& Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.1 burner of CPU0 Message-ID: <3D7C6F0A.1030209@medecine.unige.ch>   Colin Blake wrote: > Alain, > C > I answered this exact same question, about a year ago, from you! b  ! Oh I'm so sorry, I dont remember.d   > My vF > reply still stands, and as Bob correctly states, its to do with the K > polling. There are some logicals you can play with to adjust the polling kJ > rate. Please find your original posting and read through the replies. I F > found it using Google to search newsgroups for "vms_poll_timer_min".  / Thank for the pointer, I will see immediately .v   >  > Colin. >    Alain. -- w:   Alain Chappuis       |         Responsable des serveurs:=   Ingenieur Systeme I  | WEB   : www.medecine facmed sifm ebniB   Universite de Geneve | E-mail: facmed, mail.medecine, cmu,ebn-ch@   S.I.F.M.             | Phone : ++41 (0)22.702.5073 Int.:25.073@   1, Rue Michel-Servet | FAX   : ++41 (0)22.347.3334 ou 702.5858A   CH-1211 Geneve 4     |   http://ebn.unige.ch/accueil/alain.htmlt   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:42:17 +10009 From: forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth)t+ Subject: Re: Pine. Problem with INBOX + pop 7 Message-ID: <slrnanok6p.6l.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>l  U On Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:11:48 -0400, Francisco Ortega <fortega@iblues.cc> gushed forth: M >I did that but still does not work. It can't open the inbox. I also want thecE >email address to be different than the default. and to receive emailr+ >different from the default email address .r    Q As far as I'm aware, pine can't do that. Equally, AFAIA, there's no e-mail client M for OpenVMS that can do that apart from those built into Netscape or Mozilla.a  R Currently I'm having a look at porting Fetchmail to OpenVMS but given my (lack of) programming skills.....   	 [deletia]t     -- e     Oorooo	 Mark F...r  $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/s   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:28:36 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e+ Subject: Re: Pine. Problem with INBOX + popt; Message-ID: <01KMAKXIGXUE9QVFL2@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  L > > I did that but still does not work. It can't open the inbox. I also wantL > > the email address to be different than the default. and to receive email/ > > different from the default email address .   > E > As far as I'm aware, pine can't do that. Equally, AFAIA, there's nosH > e-mail client for OpenVMS that can do that apart from those built into > Netscape or Mozilla. n  H The logical TCPIP$SMTP_FROM as of some relatively recent version can be E used to set the From: header to an arbitrary address.  A priviledged uH user can use SET FORWARD/USER to allow an arbirtray VMS user to receive H mail sent to an arbitrary address on the machine (which doesn't have to 4 look like a valid VMS-username-based email address).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:33:12 +10009 From: forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth) + Subject: Re: Pine. Problem with INBOX + popw7 Message-ID: <slrnanp8om.6l.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>e  k On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:28:36 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> gushed forth:y  	 [deletia]h   >bI >The logical TCPIP$SMTP_FROM as of some relatively recent version can be NF >used to set the From: header to an arbitrary address.  A priviledged I >user can use SET FORWARD/USER to allow an arbirtray VMS user to receive  I >mail sent to an arbitrary address on the machine (which doesn't have to r5 >look like a valid VMS-username-based email address).   R In the pine configuration you can specify the smtp server so the ISP's smtp server9 address can be plugged in there. That works like a charm.   U The real problem is getting mail from the ISP pop (or IMAP) server up to a VMS box. I X just gave up and set a up Linux box to run fetchmail to get my mail from my ISP but that] still leaves the problem of getting mail from my Linux box to my VMS box. I just threw in thep[ towel and use outlook to send and recieve e-mail via my Linux box. Not what I want but it'sC	 workable.p  Y For usenet there's SLRN, and probably others but I like SLRN, which can get news from thedY ISP's server but there's not anything for e-mail that I've been able to find that doesn't5a need skills beyond mine to get it working under VMS. Except the Mozilla or Netscape resource hogss
 of course.   -- t     Oorooo	 Mark F...c  $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/f   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:38:06 +10009 From: forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth) % Subject: Re: Pine. Setting the client 7 Message-ID: <slrnanojuu.6l.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>t  U On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 00:19:14 -0400, Francisco Ortega <fortega@iblues.cc> gushed forth:   	 [deletia]g   > M >What I'm trying to do, is use pine like a email client that will allow me toe >0 >email address >email pop account >email pop passwordr >return addresspL >and allow me to get out to xyz.com  which is in one of my hosting providersL >companies that I pay. My server is call xyz.something.com and that it's the >only way it would work.  R OK I think I understand what you're trying to do. You're trying to get pine to getU your email from the mailbox provided by your ISP and to send mail via your ISP's SMTPlV server. As far as I know pine can't do that - at least the version of pine I have hereZ can't. What I assume you need is some way to get mail from the ISP mailbox to your OpenVMSW system. A package like Fetchmail would do nicely except there isn't a version ported tod OpenVMS yet as far as I know.m   -- l     Oorool	 Mark F...s  $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/u   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 06:55:21 -0700b. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)Y Subject: Re: Response to NIST's take on noon and midnight (was Re: Is the HP/Compaq mergeC= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0209090555.1505eddf@posting.google.com>o  d "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@compaq.com> wrote in message news:<bo1e9.18$bj.259200@news.cpqcorp.net>... > meridiem != meridian > G > meridiem is the middle of the day - an instant (not an interval) that F > equally divides the 24 hour day.  It has nothing to do with the sun," > latitude, or season of the year.    A Well, I checked it out some more and you are right about meridiemmD being "middle of the day" and not when the sun crosses the meridian.D In fact, it makes sense that that's the case because "meridiem" ends with "diem" which means "day".  D However, there are many possible definitions for day. Daytime hours,D sidereal day, 0000 to 2400 day, workday. But the only ones for whichE this would make sense would be 0000 to 2400 and daytime hours. And ineC this case, I admit, the former certainly can be used and is in factoD what we are discussing. Also, this is equivalent to picking from twoD definitions of noon: 1.) when the sun crosses the meridian, 2.) 1200D (24-hour notation), either of which can be interpreted as "middle ofB the day". However, when am and pm originated, there was only local@ solar time. So if one wants to stick with the original am and pm@ definitions, one could also insist on applying them to what they@ originally applied to: Local solar time! And if one did that, my argument still stands.  F I must say, though, that you've made an excellent point. Thank you for posting it.   C However, the 0000 to 2400 day *is* based on the sun because 1200 is @ defined to be the "mean sun" when the observer is on a time zoneE meridian *and* to the extent that leap seconds are occasionally addedsE to keep the mean sun from drifting from noon on a time zone meridian.tF But you are right in saying that it is not based on the "apparent sun"D which means where the sun actually appears in the sky, even when one# is located on a time zone meridian.a    M > All times in the 12 hours preceding that instant are ante meridiem (AM) andaK > all in the 12 hours following are post meridiem (PM) if the definition oflE > the term is kept.  That leaves the instant of midnight (also not ancN > interval) that belongs to two days and is both 12 hours AM of the one and 12 > hours PM of the other.    @ OK, you are saying that midnight is 12 hours AM of noon. But youE wouldn't say that 9 AM is 9 hours AM of noon because it is 3 hours AM-< of noon; i.e., 3 hours 'before noon'. So AM really means theF occurrence of this time "before noon", not that many hours and minutes< before noon. And you can't derive that based *solely* on theE definition "before noon". You have to also base it on usage, which is8; exactly an important point in favor of the new definitions!"    L > While this is logically consistent, it is problematic for digital displaysN > and for most programming uses which assume that all times belong to a singleK > day and that times are synonymous with an instance of an interval of someoN > specific granularity (on VMS it is one tick in internal format or 1/100th ofK > a second in the best default display format), so adopting a convention ofsK > labeling midnight as AM of a new day and noon (meridiem) as PM just makeso# > things a little easier to handle.M    F Exactly my point. While my argument against applying the "traditional"C definitions of am and pm may or may not hold, my primary aim was tos= gain acceptance of what already is, and should be, the moderns definitions of am and pm.t  C And, as a side effect of my further research on "meridiem", I foundoD that there *is* an "authority" that embraces the new definition: The American Heritage Dictionary.s  5 Here is what that dictionary has to say on the issue:i    /     http://www.bartleby.com/61/80/P0388000.htmlv  ! VARIANT FORMS: also p.m. or p.m. -   ABBREVIATION: post meridiem  0  @ USAGE NOTE: By definition, 12 a.m. denotes midnight, and 12 p.m.D denotes noon, but there is sufficient confusion over the meanings ofE a.m. and p.m. when the hour is 12 to make it advisable to use 12 noon.* and 12 midnight where clarity is required.    E When they say "by definition", I think it is "by definition" the same-A way that 1 is defined to not be a prime number. IOW, the simplestcD definition of a prime number is a number that is evenly divisible by? only 1 and itself. For the purposes of the unique factorizationlD theorem (which says that every positive number greater than or equalE to 2 can be factored into primes in only one way) it is convenient to @ define a prime number as above with the proviso of excluding the@ number 1. (If you allowed 1 to be a prime number, than you couldE easily construct multiple factorizations for any positive number. For D example, you could have 2 factored into 2, 2x1, 2x1x1, etc.) So, forA convenience in the modern world, "by definition", 12 a.m. denotes." midnight and 12 p.m. denotes noon.    E So even if one can apply the old definitions of am and pm to standard,C time, and even though that makes the status of the two 12:00's withdD regard to being am or pm ambiguous, there is still no reason to stopF there and not extend the definition and allow am/pm to evolve, thereby5 acquiring a, and in particular, this, new definition.i     Disclaimer: JMO  Alan E. Feldman  spamsink2001 at yahoo dot como   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 04:57:06 -0700 $ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) Subject: Re: Sick Alpha PWS = Message-ID: <d0141774.0209090357.7b8b0ecb@posting.google.com>    "Stanley Reynolds" <nospam_stanley_reynolds@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<md5e9.20451$2L.1337237@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>...H > > Is it hosed? Can I do anything to resurrect it? If I need to replace, > > parts, what exactly is it that's broken? > K > If you have more that one bank of memory try the system with only one buttF > first remove both. If you have only one bank of memory remove it and  E Has two installed SIMMs. Won't boot with a single SIMM - LED's say noi0 usable memory. I assume SIMMs need to be paired?  N > reinstall. Remove all cards and test then restall the display card and test.   No difference.  N > Try without the keyboard and mouse connected. While handling the memory keepM > one hand on the metal case and don't touch the connectors or chips. you mayhN > use a clean dry cotton cloth to wipe the connectors of the memory chips. Use' > a dry paint brush to remove any dust..  E All good advice, but no dice. This is a really sweet piece of kit andpB I'm keen to get it going. Does anyone else have suggestions - what does that error code mean?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:11:28 -0500< From: "Stanley Reynolds" <nospam_stanley_reynolds@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Sick Alpha PWShB Message-ID: <6_1f9.60606$%P6.21387345@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>  D > I'm keen to get it going. Does anyone else have suggestions - what > does that error code mean?  I Scache is the second Level Cache on chip for EV5 and later which may meaniI the CPU chip is bad. I would check the power supply voltages and carefulyiK remove and inspect the CPU pins. IF the 3rd level cache is removeable which H I think it is (could be 2 or 4 meg) try it without it. And yes two DIMMsJ make one bank. Dec memory is ECC but if you don't mix them you can use non ECC.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 05:05:13 -0700 + From: Kor.rinkens@vodafone.nl (Kor Rinkens)m+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this weekt= Message-ID: <b034f6ec.0209090405.36a1c856@posting.google.com>.  ] Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote in message news:<3D66B458.826C5543@NelsonUSA.com>...w > Sharon Guthrie wrote:K > R > >         You guys will find this amusing.  I'm dating a guy who programs on theQ > > Windoze platform.  (I know, but he's a sweet guy anyway.)  We talk shop alot.<P > > The other day he floored me by implying that my VMS systems couldn't run 100S > > users.  The last time he used VMS was back in college on some old slow machine.u > L > Counting the terminals in the police cars, the LAPD 911 system was runningH > 500 users on a PDP-11/70 under RSX-11M-Plus.   Today, they are runningK > the same application (and a lot more) on a VMS (very early Alpha) system.a > I > As an aside, my wife was the system manager at that time.   Our running R > joke was that you don't want to manage a system where the users carry guns!  :-) > E > Ask your boyfriend if he would like to be responsible for a WindowsaG > system where any outage, even for just a few minutes, could result in  > someone dying. > G > My production VMS 7.2-1 system has been up for only 257 days, becauseoJ > I had to reboot it as part of the upgrade.   I have one logging job thatK > has been running all that time.   I am waiting to see what happens on theeI > SHOW SYSTEM display when the number of I/O operations exceeds 999999999ML > and overflows into the Priority field.   That should happen sometime early > next year. >   6 You see **********  We have this on a lot off systems.   Regards Kor     L > > I can't wait to tie his butt up, plop him down in front of a terminal... >  > JPG!!   JPG!!   JPG!!     :-)t >  > Alan   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:53:15 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)w( Subject: Re: SMTP server: VRFY: Security+ Message-ID: <ali94b$hoa$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   [ In article <3D79971E.4997350@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:oO >In another thread, someone mentioned the VRFY command that can be sent to SMTPt! >server to verify a mailbox name.i >dG >However, on VMS, a mailbox name also happens to correspond to a SYSUAFtM >username. And the SMTP server doesn't seem to have any limits or alarms whenm" >someone tries many invalid names. >uF >I am curious as to what sort of discussions have occured in VMS/TCPIP( >engineering with regards to this issue. > K >Is there a way to reduce this security hole without jeoperdizing the "good : >internet citizen" and still abide by internet standards ? >R  O I believe the RFCs require a conformant mail system to support the use of VRFY. @ However they don't specify what a system actually has to return.H Hence many mail systems have an option which causes VRFY to return very  non-commital answers egr     vrfy xxxxxx > 252 2.5.0 Possible local address <xxxxxx@alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK>  !G Needless to say the system doesn't have an account called xxxxxx on it.    The above is with PMDF.,  K I don't know what options the various VMS TCPIP stacks default SMTP mailersd have.e    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University      O >Would there be a way to create aliases that point to a username (for instance:.M >Jean-Francois.Mezei pointing to jfmezei) which would make it less obvious toi> >the outside world what the username format for this site is.  >:G >Also, should the SMTP server issue security alarms whenever an invalidr >username is being tried ?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 09:10:04 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org( Subject: Re: SMTP server: VRFY: Security3 Message-ID: <LhJwtBz57z4O@eisner.encompasserve.org>/  [ In article <3D79971E.4997350@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:4P > In another thread, someone mentioned the VRFY command that can be sent to SMTP" > server to verify a mailbox name. > H > However, on VMS, a mailbox name also happens to correspond to a SYSUAFN > username. And the SMTP server doesn't seem to have any limits or alarms when# > someone tries many invalid names.p > G > I am curious as to what sort of discussions have occured in VMS/TCPIPl) > engineering with regards to this issue.h > L > Is there a way to reduce this security hole without jeoperdizing the "good; > internet citizen" and still abide by internet standards ?t  : Responding to VRFY and EXPN with an error message such as:  I  252 2.5.2 Cannot VRFY user; try RCPT to attempt delivery (or try finger)r  : is very prevalent with other SMTP mailers on the Internet.  F Some sites go farther than this and deploy a simplified SMTP front endD processor like SMAP (part of the old TIS firewall toolkit) that doesE not even know what e-mail usernames are valid.  What it doesn't know,@? it obviously cannot report.  Proxy firewalls would generally beO@ set up this way.  Some packet filtering firewalls (e.g. PIX) canD filter VRFY commands.  Note that PIX has significant brain damage in: this area and I do not consider it fit for production use.  F Turning off VRFY by itself is somewhat pointless.  The RCPT TO commandG conveys the same information.  And the purported sender can still aborttB the SMTP conversation early with a QUIT command so that no message is sent.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 10:00:14 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ( Subject: Re: SMTP server: VRFY: Security3 Message-ID: <Ce7hGc2$sO+z@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  T In article <LhJwtBz57z4O@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:   > H > Turning off VRFY by itself is somewhat pointless.  The RCPT TO commandI > conveys the same information.  And the purported sender can still abortAD > the SMTP conversation early with a QUIT command so that no message
 > is sent. >   5 	Only problem with that is it doesn't convey the samec$ 	information.  RCPT TO doesn't VRFY:  L 220 node.splatz.domain.com PSC MultiNet V4.1 Rev B-X ESMTP service ready at  Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:44:29 -0400 HELOG 250 node.splatz.domain.com ; Hello  [199.99.99.9], pleased to meet you.e MAIL FROM: <stinky@netrod.com>! 250 sender <stinky@netrod.com> OKs rcpt to: <SMITHQR@DOMAIN.COM>a4 250 <SMITHQR@DOMAIN.COM> OK - delivered as <SMITHQR> VRFY SMITHQR* 550 No information available for <SMITHQR> VRFY SMITHRd( 250 Smith, Rotone A. <SMITHR@domain.com>    : 	So RCPT TO is not very effective in building a spam list!   				Robe  B Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wonderoG Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstreame> The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder  -                                 -- Neil Youngt   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:58:35 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) ( Subject: Re: SMTP server: VRFY: Security+ Message-ID: <aligfb$k3s$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   T In article <LhJwtBz57z4O@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:\ >In article <3D79971E.4997350@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:; >Responding to VRFY and EXPN with an error message such as:e >pJ > 252 2.5.2 Cannot VRFY user; try RCPT to attempt delivery (or try finger) >f; >is very prevalent with other SMTP mailers on the Internet.7 >:G >Some sites go farther than this and deploy a simplified SMTP front endjE >processor like SMAP (part of the old TIS firewall toolkit) that doeshF >not even know what e-mail usernames are valid.  What it doesn't know,@ >it obviously cannot report.  Proxy firewalls would generally beA >set up this way.  Some packet filtering firewalls (e.g. PIX) caneE >filter VRFY commands.  Note that PIX has significant brain damage int; >this area and I do not consider it fit for production use.n >eG >Turning off VRFY by itself is somewhat pointless.  The RCPT TO commandmH >conveys the same information.  And the purported sender can still abortC >the SMTP conversation early with a QUIT command so that no messageo	 >is sent.o >hN Completely turning off VRFY is actually against the RFCs. Over the years thereK have been a number of discussions of this on the vmsnet.mail.pmdf newsgroup    See    http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22vrfy%22+group:vmsnet.mail.pmdf&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=01K0HO5549H0000MC7%40mauve.mrochek.com&rnum=1   J where this is discussed by Ned Freed the main author of the Mime standard.  7 The 252 non-commital response is described in RFC 1123.m  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    -
 >	John Briggs    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:51:54 +0400c/ From: Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru>h3 Subject: Re: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)3( Message-ID: <3D7C450A.2050407@beenet.ru>   Paul Sture wrote:c	 <skipped>o   >> >>> show devmG >>  VMS/VMB  ULTRIX    ADDR    DEVTYP  NUMBYTES  RM/FX  WP  DEVNAM  REViG >>  -------  ------  --------  ------  --------  -----  --  ------  ---)& >>  ESA0     SE0     08-00-2B-12-92-40G >>  DKA300   RZ3     A/3/0/00  DISK      209 MB   FX        RZ24   211B.$ >>  ...HostID....    A/7       INITR$ >>  ...HostID....    B/7       INITR >> >>and I get only& >>DUA0: (type of drive, dont remember) >>DUB0: (same) >>MUA0: (RK70) >>...' >>...a >>...u >  > 7 > DUA0:, DUB0:, MUA0: are the VMS names of the devices.e; > (And the last entry AFAIK should read TK70, it's a tape).e: Nope. DUA0:==DIA0:, DUB0:==DIA1: so it's not VMS names....   >  >  >  >>Where is the table?0 >>	 >>Thanks!  >> >>Best regards,e >>Konstantin Klubnichkin >> >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:07:42 -0400; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>e3 Subject: RE: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)tK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA7E@rlghncst964.usps.gov>w   Konstantin:r  3 Disk drive names aren't limited to DI device names.a  2 Off the top of my head, and I'm *certain* this is ! incomplete, these come to mind...t   &  DG - Disks/served by HSG controllers*+  DI - DSSI disks/served by HSD controllers*e+  DK - SCSI disks/served by HSZ controllers*y  DQ - IDE CD-ROM  0  DU - DSA disks/disks served by HSC controllers*  DV - Floppy Diska  MK - SCSI tape drives  MU - other tape drives   7 *these device names can also be mirrorsets or RAIDsets.e   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----8 From: "Konstantin Klubnichkin" [mailto:kostik@beenet.ru]( Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:51 AM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" 3 Subject: RE: Two questions (Hobbyist MicroVAX 3800)n     Paul Sture wrote:y	 <skipped>    >> >>> show devoG >>  VMS/VMB  ULTRIX    ADDR    DEVTYP  NUMBYTES  RM/FX  WP  DEVNAM  REV G >>  -------  ------  --------  ------  --------  -----  --  ------  --- & >>  ESA0     SE0     08-00-2B-12-92-40G >>  DKA300   RZ3     A/3/0/00  DISK      209 MB   FX        RZ24   211B($ >>  ...HostID....    A/7       INITR$ >>  ...HostID....    B/7       INITR >> >>and I get only& >>DUA0: (type of drive, dont remember) >>DUB0: (same) >>MUA0: (RK70) >>...o >>...y >>...l >t >y7 > DUA0:, DUB0:, MUA0: are the VMS names of the devices.-; > (And the last entry AFAIK should read TK70, it's a tape).e: Nope. DUA0:==DIA0:, DUB0:==DIA1: so it's not VMS names....   >m >t >  >>Where is the table?n >>	 >>Thanks!b >> >>Best regards,  >>Konstantin Klubnichkin >> >e   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:49:28 +0000 (UTC). From: "Sanface Software" <sanface@sanface.com> Subject: txt2pdf 6.0H Message-ID: <b2442e2560cfc888f9b354efa3a269b9.93245@mygate.mailgate.org>  / We would like to announce txt2pdf 6.0 version. t# http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.htmleE txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful PERL5 script H that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in everyF operating systems supported by PERL5, including OpenVMS. If you preferG we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX,aE and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version is Visual txt2pdf, a VB GUI.r   What's new in this version  D Support for HeiseiMin-W3-90ms-RKSJ-H and HeiseiKakuGo-W5-90ms-RKSJ-H Japanese fonts3 Support for JISB4 and JISB5 Japanese paper formats.t= You can select in txt2pdf.cfg one of the 16 supported fonts.  G You can use one of the 16 supported fonts in the layers (background and: foreground).9 You can use one of the 16 supported fonts with fontmark. t# HTML 4.01 validated documentation. w   Test txt2pdf 6.0!/6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html     -- I8 Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:27:30 -0700s& From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>Y Subject: Re: VAXstation 3100 Model 76 SPX needs accessories, cables, keyboard, mouse and r* Message-ID: <3D7CCBF2.5954271A@sunset.net>   Netboot:  O I may have monitor cable, keyboard and Hockey Puck optical mouse (gotta look intI my box of old goodies). I also have a couple of RZ25's and RZ26's (HD's).i- Drop me an email, we'll work out the details.t   TomC     NetBoot wrote:  F > In article <alcu3e$1p3cfd$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, hvlems@iae.nl	 > says...r > > Where are you, Europe?6 > > "NetBoot" <netboot@netboot.com> schreef in bericht2 > > news:MPG.17e2d97d50b87e898971a@news.ptd.net...M > > > Anyone know or has these really cheap?  It also needs a hard drive, butt > > > not the rail...t > > >b > > > Thanks > >y > >u > US   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 08:25:28 -0600d- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i" Subject: Re: WEB Browser Text only3 Message-ID: <oWaiDAPduVJG@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  p In article <_iee9.34335$%P6.7570572@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>, "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc> writes:< >  Does anyone knows a web browser for vms text mode. thanks >   D    Lynx comes to mind, it's the one I use.   http://lynx.browser.org   ------------------------------  . Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:59:12 +0200 (MET DST)& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>J Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on6 Message-ID: <200209090659.IAA29748@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  G I did forget an office package like StarOffice. The mention of  Andrew,lH that HP should developed is not correct. If Sun would like to make monyeH and StarOffice is pur C, then Sun must port them to OpenVMS like IBM did" for ADMS or Corel for WordPerfect.   Best regards Rudolf Wingerto   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 11:46:16 GMTo- From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@hp.com>oJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on% Message-ID: <3D7C8851.4000501@hp.com>b  1 And for programmers: what about the DWIM command?n   Paul Sture wrote:d^ > In article <3D77CAEB.67575070@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >  >>Sharon Guthrie wrote:  >>F >>>        Heck no, it's just that VMS is damned near perfect already! >>O >>Are you kidding ? Not only does VMS still require users to press return afterfL >>having typed in their username and another return for the password, but it> >>still  lacks automatic field completion on those two inputs. >>N >>I should be able to just type "j" and then VMS automatically completes it toK >>"jfmezei" for the username, and I should be able to type "i" as the first-M >>letter of the password and VMS should be able to automatically complete the:N >>password field, provided that sufficient letters have been typed to uniquelyP >>identify the username. And there should be no need to press return at the end. >>P >>If you're going to compete against Microsoft, you might as well compete at theP >>same level: put all sorts of fancy features that look great for marketing evenK >>though from a security perspective they might be a disaster. Think of theaL >>claims of productivity improvements that could be made with such a featureN >>since hundreds of thousands of users would save a few seconds every day when
 >>they login.- >>M >>This feature alone should be sufficient to raise productivity levels in theo8 >>USA to boost its economy and take it out of recession. >> >>:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)f >  > B > Oops. You forgot a highly productive, and therefore competitive, > feature of Win98 here. > 0 > Just hit <ESC> to bypass the login screen. ;-) > __ > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlandu   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2002 08:05:45 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)yJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on3 Message-ID: <alDL+zBpUmXE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3D7A18E4.C563F1A1@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:a   > There used to was...  >    Went on the SIG tape in the 80's I believe.  I can remember8    configuring it on our one system that had Datatrieve.  D    You might be able to get it from the online DECUS library, if you"    just work out the broken links.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:18:20 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>sJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on6 Message-ID: <aliaji$1qma3c$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>  6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:ZQO2a1HHkjvy@elias.decus.ch...  >... > DTR> help wombat >t# > Sorry, no documentation on WOMBAT  >...   $ dtrt DEC DATATRIEVE V7.2a Digital Query and Report Systeme Type HELP for help DTR> help commands wombath     Commands_Statements_Clausesx   Wombat  A Wombats are native Australian or Tasmanian mammals. Like many ...   ) DTR> set dictionary cdd$top.dtr$lib.plots* DTR> plot wombat       -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:26:37 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> S Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS? 6 Message-ID: <alib32$1pt20d$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>  A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message 0 news:20020908094856.31364.qmail@nym.alias.net... >... > MAIL> REPLY/QUOTE=">"  >...  K Here are examples in both EDT and TPU (I did both to avoid starting another G editor war, sorry I couldn't do it in Teco :( ) and a .COM that you canwI modify to call either the EDT or the TPU routine. Just define the logical  MAIL$EDIT to point to the .COM.S     $ ty prw$tpu:mail.edte !dL !   move to the end of the buffer with ER, then 32767 times Insert "> " thenG !   move to the beginning of the line then move to the beginning of thed !   previous line. !  CHANGE ; ER32767(I> ^z-L-L)EXa !s> !   Make sure we are in ADVance mode when we enter change mode !  CHANGE ; ADVEX	 SET QUIETt
 SET KEYPAD SET MODE CHANGE 
 FIND =MAIN   $ ty prw$tpu:mail.tpue PROCEDURE eve_reply_mail !eB !       Simple little procedure to insert "> " at the beginning ofC !       each line in a file when it is read in. Mainly for use whena& !       doing a REPLY/EXTRACT in MAIL. !s       ON_ERROR         RETURN     ENDON_ERRORi       POSITION( BUFFER_BEGIN ); 6     rec := GET_INFO( CURRENT_BUFFER, "RECORD_COUNT" );     count := 1;e       LOOP!         EXITIF (count - 1) = rec;e         COPY_TEXT( "> " );         MOVE_VERTICAL( 1 );a         POSITION( LINE_BEGIN );z         count := count + 1;o     ENDLOOP;       POSITION( BUFFER_BEGIN );e  
 ENDPROCEDURE;s   eve_reply_mail;,     $ ty prw$utl:mail_edit.com1 $ DEFINE /USER SYS$INPUT 'F$TRNLNM("SYS$OUTPUT")'i" $ IF P1 .EQS. "" THEN GOTO NOINPUT0 $ eve/command=prw$tpu:mail.tpu 'P1' /output='p2'7 $! editx/edt/command=prw$tpu:mail.edt 'P1' /output='p2'Y $ EXIT	 $NOINPUT:-
 $ eve 'p2' $! editx/edt 'p2'a $ EXIT     -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:08:08 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)rS Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?r+ Message-ID: <alidgo$is1$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>a  m In article <20020908094856.31364.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:eC >On Thu, 05 Sep 2002, "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote: K >>So, for right now, I'd like us to brainstorm a bit about what we'd really G >>like to see to make OpenVMS better in our environments -- it could bee8 >>additional VMS-specific features, portability aids, or= >>interoperation/integration capabilities. Or something else.t >g >$ MAIL  >n >You have 1 new message. >  >MAIL> READ/NEWr >s( >    #1           8-SEP-2002 09:44:36.163 >From:   SYSTEM       "VMSBOX System Administrator"a >To:     SYSTEMh >CC:
 >Subj:   Test  >o >Hello >n >MAIL> REPLY/QUOTE=">" >s >uJ >Obviously similar to REPLY/EXTRACT, but does the quoting and wrapping for >you.  >t >V >Doc.m  B Probably better to have ALL the features of PMDF MAIL in VMS MAIL.   from PMDF MAIL HELPf   REPLYt  
   /EXTRACT           /EXTRACT[=quote]  e3 and of course the ability to set this by default :-e   SET-SHOW     EXTRACT_QUOTEd  H        Controls how extracted message text is quoted in a message reply.        %     Additional information available:-  C     Restrictions          Parameters Description           Examples       Description    D          When the /EXTRACT qualifier is used in conjunction with theC          ANSWER or REPLY commands, the content of the message beingOE          replied to will be included in the reply. It is often usefuluI          to quote this extracted material by prepending to each line somevH          text such as "> ". Use the SET EXTRACT_QUOTE command to specify%          the text to use for quoting.o  C          By default, no text is prepended to the lines of extractediG          messages. To restore this default, use the SET NOEXTRACT_QUOTEoJ          command. Note that the /EXTRACT qualifier of the ANSWER and REPLYH          commands also accepts an optional value which specifies text toH          use for quoting. When that value is specified, it overrides any9          setting made with the SET EXTRACT_QUOTE command.       
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:30:30 +0100 (MET)R9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>dS Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?n; Message-ID: <01KMAZJ2RZFA9QVJI2@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>w  E > Here are examples in both EDT and TPU (I did both to avoid startingtI > another editor war, sorry I couldn't do it in Teco :( ) and a .COM thateG > you can modify to call either the EDT or the TPU routine. Just define-. > the logical MAIL$EDIT to point to the .COM.   G I prefer to leave MAIL$EDIT unchanged and use my "normal" EDTINI.EDT.  :D This has the corresponding macro defined and mapped to GOLD Q.  The H advantage of this is that I can decide from time to time whether or not G I want the quote, with just two keystrokes difference.  Quoting can be  G handy in other contexts as well.  (I also have similar macros to strip  E off VMS mail headers, RFC 822 mail headers etc---sometimes I want to t leave them, sometimes not.)n  F What follows is an interesting discourse on the conciseness of EDT as 7 compared to TPU.  Only comments have been removed.  :-)d   > CHANGE ; ER32767(I> ^z-L-L)EXM   vs.t   >     ON_ERROR >         RETURN >     ENDON_ERROR  >  >     POSITION( BUFFER_BEGIN ); 8 >     rec := GET_INFO( CURRENT_BUFFER, "RECORD_COUNT" ); >     count := 1;e > 
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