1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 11 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 502       Contents: Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article' ??== System 7.3, ODS-5, Java, Rdb, etc. + Re: ??== System 7.3, ODS-5, Java, Rdb, etc. + Re: ??== System 7.3, ODS-5, Java, Rdb, etc. + Re: ??== System 7.3, ODS-5, Java, Rdb, etc. ) Re: AlphaServer 1200 VMS Disk recognition % AlphaServer 1200 VMS Disk recognition  Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: Convert Blocks to MB$ deassigning logical in system table.( Re: deassigning logical in system table.( RE: deassigning logical in system table.( Re: deassigning logical in system table.( Re: deassigning logical in system table. DEC AMDS VAX 7.3 bug< RE: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sor: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sorta> RE: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sorta> Re: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sorta> Re: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sorta> Re: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sorta8 Re: DECwindows X11 display server: creating visuals - Re8 Re: DECwindows X11 display server: creating visuals - Re Re: definition of SYS$SYSROOT  Re: definition of SYS$SYSROOT  Re: definition of SYS$SYSROOT 5 Re: disk sizes on VMS (was: RE: Convert Blocks to MB) 7 Re: Fabio Cardoso Enemy of the United States of America 7 Re: Fabio Cardoso Enemy of the United States of America 7 Re: Fabio Cardoso Enemy of the United States of America 7 Re: Fabio Cardoso Enemy of the United States of America 7 Re: Fabio Cardoso Enemy of the United States of America , Re: FC Enemy of the United States of America ftp bombardment  Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT@ Re: lexicals (was: RE: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)"@ Re: lexicals (was: RE: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)"@ Re: lexicals (was: RE: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)"P Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!P Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!P Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!8 Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!/ MIME.EXE vs. MPACK and virus scanning software. 4 NOIP Dynamic DNS client now available for OpenVMS...4 NOIP Dynamic DNS client now available for OpenVMS... OpenVMS C Development  RE: OpenVMS C Development  Re: OpenVMS C Development  Re: OpenVMS C Development  PLUG: csv2pdf 1.0 + Re: Recovery problem; seq. number stays put + Re: Recovery problem; seq. number stays put , Re: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)A Re: Sick of the trolls, whiners, and non-customers in this forum? 4 Spammers pretending to be mailing from Decus systems1 Re: Sun is on the way out!  Only HP and IBM left!  Sybase and VMS Re: Sybase and VMS Re: Sybase and VMS Re: Sybase and VMS Re: Sybase and VMS Re: Sybase and VMS. TCPIP NFS server and windows-NT / W2000 clientP the "let's be friends" loop (was: RE:  Assistance Solicited - Pet	ition for Cand Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast! A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on B RE: Which features/capabilities would you like to see available on Re: Xwindows help for DCL ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:37:34 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> Subject: Re: "inview" Article + Message-ID: <3D7F714E.8030308@mail.tele.dk>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > Arne Vajhj wrote:+ >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: . >>>                there are no rack optimised1 >>> 1 or 2U systems typically used in web serving     * >> Never heard of the DS10L and DS20L ????    5 > Sure, but for the price of one of them with OpenVMS 3 > licences an IP stack and a Web server you can buy 4 > 6-7 Sun V100/V120 Web servers with a supported web	 > server.  > 2 > To have a reliable Web server cluster you need 21 > servers. For the price of 2 DS10L's you can get , > 12-14 Sun V100/V120's or alternatively you2 > can get your complete reliable Sun 1U web server, > cluster for 1/6th of the cost of the Alpha > alternative.  3 So again you have been spreading false information.   , You said that there were no 1 or 2U systems.  5 While fact is that you know they exist, but you think  they are not competive priced.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:33:50 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: "inview" Article / Message-ID: <alnrc8$ri$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>    Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <al5b4m$t3g$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes: > ? >>I wasn't talking about SAP. You don't have iPlanet/SunOne Web 
 >>server.  >  > I >    Why in the wold would I want a web server with Suns name in it, when  >    there are better? >  > 4 >>Some apps servers require this, you don't have any< >>crypto plugin support or any HSM support so you are out of? >>the picture in any B2B infrastructures you don't have support ; >>for a number of the popular load balancing products. This = >>is just what you need for web serving. Where is FireWall-1, : >>Tripwire. What caching proxy server capabilities can you5 >>provide, does OpenVMS support any kind of directory 9 >>caching. What about Portal support, BEA Portal Server ?  >  > D >    Nope.  Don't need them, so I don't care aboutt not having them.C >    Many of these "apps" make up for poor underlying strucure, and C >    none of them are needed for the typicalyy web servers we have.  >       3 You don't but the vast majority of the market does.   7 Crypto support makes up for poor underlying structure ?  HSM support ditto 	 Firewalls  Portal Servers Caching Proxy servers  Directory Proxy Servers   ' These all make up for a poor underlying  structure ?????    Akkk   > 3 >>I just did, when did you last look at what a real ' >>ebusiness infrastructure looks like ?  >  > = >    Somehow I think you define that as "start with a Sun..."  >   . No quite the opposite, have a look at Identrus. its a real eCommerce infrastructure which only. mentions Sun as a supplier along with IBM etc.     > 4 >>Really, there have been loads of requests for this >>in the past from customers   >  > < >    One or two requests in this forum is NOT the same thing' >    as a significant customer request.  >   / Oh come on how many affordable OpenVMS requests  have there been over the years.   . Wistfull it would be nice if Compaq did a 1000/ dollar OpenVMS box rather than trying to charge % us 6-10 times that etc etc etc posts.        >  >>(its called affordable7 >>OpenVMS in case you are having difficulty remembering  >>the threads).  >  > A >    It might be in that thread, but it's very different from the C >    affordable VMS issue.  You still have to pay for good software ) >    no matter which box it's sitting on.  >    Do you ?  3 Apache is free its a well thought of Web server and 1 if you have a box running Solaris you even get it  supported and free from Sun.   > 7 >>So what about LSF, Grids message passing toolkits and  >>hardware etc for OpenVMS ??  >  > F >    Well, I already answer part of that and I already stated the rest >    we can't use. >  > 8 >>And do the ones that are available make any active use$ >>of OpenVMS's cluster capabilites ? >  > ? >    Sure 'nough.  For just a simple example, check out the OSU B >    web server.  And for a great many of the capabilities the app@ >    does not have to be aware of or in any way modified to make( >    use of what the OS is doing for it. >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:46:03 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: "inview" Article 0 Message-ID: <alns35$121$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Webb wrote:  > In article <al7tk6$p8u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes: >  >> >>JF Mezei wrote:  >> >>+ >>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  >>>  >> >> >>SIMS was Sun's IMAP server.  >> > 3 > SIMS was as you well know not SUN's IMAP server.  C > SIMS was an OEMd version of the PMDF MTA with various Sun addons. H > You'll find our previous discussions on this topic archived on google. >   ; This statement is rather like saying that the Ford explorer 9 isn't really a Ford, instead its a Goodyear because thats " what connects the car to the road.  ; A mail server contains a number of components, MTA, Message 6 store etc. PMDF was part of SIMS but SIMS wasn't PMDF.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:57:20 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: "inview" Article 0 Message-ID: <alnp7r$t61$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >=20- >>                there are no rack optimised 0 >> 1 or 2U systems typically used in web serving >=20 >=20 >=20) > Never heard of the DS10L and DS20L ????  >=20  3 Sure, but for the price of one of them with OpenVMS 1 licences an IP stack and a Web server you can buy 2 6-7 Sun V100/V120 Web servers with a supported web server.   0 To have a reliable Web server cluster you need 2/ servers. For the price of 2 DS10L's you can get * 12-14 Sun V100/V120's or alternatively you0 can get your complete reliable Sun 1U web server* cluster for 1/6th of the cost of the Alpha alternative.  4 Every other vendor and that includes HP on the HP-UX0 side has a 1U server thats actually priced at 1U3 price points, Compaq did not and HP havn't made any  significant changes.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:13:29 +0200 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)0 Subject: ??== System 7.3, ODS-5, Java, Rdb, etc.D Message-ID: <aus-1109021513290001@wvia20.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  P Should I initialize my OVMS 7.3 system disk (and all the others) as ODS-5 disks?  D My objective is to migrate our current DB application to the new webJ services in Rdb 7.1 and Java. For this purpose, I'm setting up a new to meF Alpha 400 2/233 with OVMS 7.3, Java 1.3x, the standard compilers and aH hobbyist license. Reading through the Java FAQ, I just noticed that it's6 easier to install JavaBeans and Swing on a ODS-5 disk.  J Are there any reasons why I shouldn't just initialize all the disks on the Alpha 400 as ODS-5 disks?   - Is ods-5 the default structure in OVMS 7.3-1.    --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:42:57 +0200 3 From: "Aus, Hans Magnus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> 4 Subject: Re: ??== System 7.3, ODS-5, Java, Rdb, etc.B Message-ID: <aus-9FD06B.16425511092002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  2 In article <%cIf9.18$LI5.386160@news.cpqcorp.net>,:  hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) wrote: ... K > My personal feeling is that unless you need or want the features provided M > by ODS-5, then you should stay with ODS-2, at least in V7.3.  Although most I > OpenVMS software can at least tolerate ODS-5, so long as the file names J > stay within ODS-2 constraings, there are things that will NOT work right > with [some] ODS-5 file names.  > C > Another way of saying this is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"  > B > On the other hand, if you DO need or want ODS-5, then go for it.   Charlie,  F Thanks for the prompt and informative response. I stumbled across the F statements in the Java FAQ which suggest that it is easier to install E JavaBeans and Swing on ODS-5 disks; I don't have any Java experience.    --  4 Hans Magnus Aus, Wuerzburg, aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:02:20 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) 4 Subject: Re: ??== System 7.3, ODS-5, Java, Rdb, etc.+ Message-ID: <alnlts$c2a$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   s In article <aus-1109021513290001@wvia20.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>, aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus) writes: Q >Should I initialize my OVMS 7.3 system disk (and all the others) as ODS-5 disks?  > E >My objective is to migrate our current DB application to the new web K >services in Rdb 7.1 and Java. For this purpose, I'm setting up a new to me G >Alpha 400 2/233 with OVMS 7.3, Java 1.3x, the standard compilers and a I >hobbyist license. Reading through the Java FAQ, I just noticed that it's 7 >easier to install JavaBeans and Swing on a ODS-5 disk.  > K >Are there any reasons why I shouldn't just initialize all the disks on the  >Alpha 400 as ODS-5 disks? > . >Is ods-5 the default structure in OVMS 7.3-1. >   0 VMS 7.3 does not support ODS-5 as a system disk.M The VMS 7.3-1 upgrade procedure prompts you as to whether you want to convert L your system disk to ODS-5 (It also asks whether you want to convert to using  hard links rather than aliases).  M I've converted pretty much all of my disks to ODS-5. The only execeptions are O the Oracle disks (Oracle 8i) - given that Oracle bypasses RMS and does it's own K thing with disk accesses in order to "improve" performance I wasn't willing D to take the risk. I don't know whether ODS-5 disks are supported forE Oracle database, rollback segments etc. The next version of Oracle -  ! Oracle 9i rel 2 - requires ODS-5.   J Hence you might want to get someone from Compaq/HP or Oracle to comment on using Rdb with ODS-5 disks.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:14:19 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)4 Subject: Re: ??== System 7.3, ODS-5, Java, Rdb, etc.2 Message-ID: <%cIf9.18$LI5.386160@news.cpqcorp.net>  s In article <aus-1109021513290001@wvia20.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>, aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus) writes: - >Should I initialize my OVMS 7.3 system disk  $ (and all the others) as ODS-5 disks?  - ODS-5 is not supported for V7.3 system disks.   , ODS-5 IS supported for V7.3-1 system disks.     : >My objective is to migrate our current DB application ...  C Check with your database vendor to see if they support ODS-5 disks.     K >Are there any reasons why I shouldn't just initialize all the disks on the  >Alpha 400 as ODS-5 disks?  : Here is a help message from the install/upgrade procedure:  F     ODS-5 supports file names that are longer and have a greater rangeF     of legal characters. This provides for file names similar to those%     in a Windows or Unix environment.   F     ODS-5  also  supports hard links to files, access dates, and files$     whose names differ only by case.  F     ODS-5 volumes cannot be mounted on any version of OpenVMS prior to	     V7.2.   G     OpenVMS  VAX  V7.2  and  later  can mount ODS-5 volumes, but cannot F     create or access files having extended names. (Lower case filename.     characters are seen in upper case on VAX).  F     ODS-2  allows  for full compatibility with OpenVMS VAX systems and-     with OpenVMS Alpha systems prior to V7.2.     . >Is ods-5 the default structure in OVMS 7.3-1.   No.     I My personal feeling is that unless you need or want the features provided K by ODS-5, then you should stay with ODS-2, at least in V7.3.  Although mosttG OpenVMS software can at least tolerate ODS-5, so long as the file names H stay within ODS-2 constraings, there are things that will NOT work right with [some] ODS-5 file names..  A Another way of saying this is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"   @ On the other hand, if you DO need or want ODS-5, then go for it.   -- vI       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USAiH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:10:27 +0100-* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>2 Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1200 VMS Disk recognition, Message-ID: <aln8a4$1fpq@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  U "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message news:3D7E9459.4030607@rdrop.com...i  C > > Whoa, stop right there. You have a RAID controller in there andtA > > the logical disks are one-to-one mapped with physical volumesl > > JBOD style? Are you sure?l >s > He didn't say that... did he?   @ He didn't say what he had. From the device naming, it looks like? a PCI RAID controller. It wasn't clear that the original posterl9 knew this, let alone the logical/physical drive mappings.oB I could be wrong, of course, and they're just plain drives. If so, on what sort of controller?t  A > > I'm assuming you have the PCI raid controller - I used to runt* > > one on that model and they are a PITA. >e, > Really? I've not experienced any problems.  = Only that you had to have the system down while you configureI? and build the sets, so I had to do it over a weekend. Never hadE any problems afterwards.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 09:26:40 -0700" From: zonle1@hotmail.com (Brandon). Subject: AlphaServer 1200 VMS Disk recognition= Message-ID: <c37e04b6.0209110826.1aa14606@posting.google.com>   D Richard, Thanks for your insight.  I looked into this more, it turnsE out that they purchased a RAID controller when they should have got as> KZPZA (this was many years ago).  They set it up to run JBOD. A Apparently, they set it up to only recognize up to ~20Gb (9.1Gb +nE 5[2.1Gb] = 20Gb).  Because, every time I add anything larger than a 2SE gig, it won't let it go above 20Gb.  Is there a way I can change thattE to allow it to recognize more?  The client does not want to spend anys& more money on this box.  Thanks again,   Brandon Long    ^ "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<alkuuj$14v8@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>...1 > "Brandon" <zonle1@hotmail.com> wrote in messagel9 > news:c37e04b6.0209100559.164672f9@posting.google.com...e >  > H > > I am working on a AlphaServer 1200 running OpenVMS 7.3.  There are 7F > > slots for disk drives.  Compaq recomends that the last slot not be+ > > used.  I have the following disk setup:E > >U" > >                    Disk Model#! > >  DRA0:    9.1 Gig    DS-RZ1DF ! > >  DRA1:    2.1 Gig    DS-RZ1BBo > A > Whoa, stop right there. You have a RAID controller in there and ? > the logical disks are one-to-one mapped with physical volumesS > JBOD style? Are you sure?a > ? > I'm assuming you have the PCI raid controller - I used to run0; > one on that model and they are a PITA. More detail on theo! > configuration would be helpful.h   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 06:33:46 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MBb3 Message-ID: <MczBUUh2EWyK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3D7E2896.C93618B9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:h! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:l >> o^ >> In article <3D7D4ADD.45E7B55D@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:D >> > "Approximation" in this case means "error". The difference *IS* >> > significant!s >> d+ >> No.  That statement is false in general.u > B > Some commercial aircraft are capable of being flown to a landingJ > entirely on automation (or so I am told, I've been out of aviation sinceJ > the early 90's). Given that, if a plane leaves New York for Honolulu andI > the inertial guidance system commits an aggregate error of 3% en route,-G > instead of landing in Honolulu, I should think that one would need to,J > remember that one's seat cushion can also be used as a flotation device.  & And your point would be what, exactly?  G That 3% in some cases counts as a grossly unacceptable margin of error?U  9 That's true and nobody has been arguing with you about itr   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:47:25 GMT24 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB 0 Message-ID: <3D7F71F2.C0A351A3@blueyonder.co.uk>   Carl Perkins wrote:   s > I > Any person who is not a moron knows that flying aircraft and estimatingo? > the size of something on a disk drive are not the same thing.  > H > Reread the subject line. What do aircraft have to to with this thread? >   J A real breath of sanity, Carl. Of course, nothing can be measured exactly,N and tolerable accuracy in such situations depends on the context. Back to diskK drives, who actually runs systems where disk capacity is permanently in the C 90-100% range. I'd be pushing hard to at least double disk capacityhR in this case, and wouldn't be worried whether I was using 9 gig or 8.5 gig drives,L or whatever, and might expect a few problems with disk filling up otherwise.   Regards,  
 > --- Carl   -- - tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk n  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:00:59 +0530s5 From: "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> - Subject: deassigning logical in system table. / Message-ID: <untrs84838ka05@corp.supernews.com>r   HI,u  9 How do I deassign the logical name from the system table.a   I tried executing the command' $ set proc/priv=(sysprv)* $ DEASSIGN/TABLE=LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY TAX   but it saysr) %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match    However> $ show logical TAX   displays> "TAX" = "DISK$PIPPIN:[DATA.TESTDATA.V1110]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  
 Please advicee   Thanks Sandeepe   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:10:18 GMT - From: "labadie" <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr> 1 Subject: Re: deassigning logical in system table. 1 Message-ID: <KTCf9.3$as5.108651@news.cpqcorp.net>   @ "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> wrote in message) news:untrs84838ka05@corp.supernews.com...e >d > HI,e >p; > How do I deassign the logical name from the system table.t >j > I tried executing the commandp > $ set proc/priv=(sysprv), > $ DEASSIGN/TABLE=LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY TAX >e
 > but it saysS+ > %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name matchx >e	 > Howeverh > $ show logical TAX >r
 > displays@ > "TAX" = "DISK$PIPPIN:[DATA.TESTDATA.V1110]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >k Hellot   $ Sh lo/fu taxG will show that it is defined in the system table, but with the user, or  supervisor, or... mode so you should do something liket deas/sys/exec taxd or deas/sys/super tax or...f   Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:50:46 +0100a& From: David Gray <GrayD@turpinltd.com>1 Subject: RE: deassigning logical in system table. S Message-ID: <79DE14DAA1A8D3119B6E00805FEB980BE562FD@zakary.turpin-distribution.com>    Either of these should work... b   Deassign/system tax  Deassign/table=lnm$system tax        -----Original Message-----; From: Sandeep Yelwatkar [mailto:Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com] g Sent: 11 September 2002 08:31e To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms- Subject: deassigning logical in system table.a     HI,i  9 How do I deassign the logical name from the system table.e   I tried executing the commandf $ set proc/priv=(sysprv)* $ DEASSIGN/TABLE=LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY TAX   but it says ) %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match    Howevery $ show logical TAX   displays> "TAX" = "DISK$PIPPIN:[DATA.TESTDATA.V1110]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  
 Please advice    Thanks Sandeepf   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:38:16 +1000>1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>a1 Subject: Re: deassigning logical in system table. , Message-ID: <3D7F0F08.8070207@tg.nsw.gov.au>  & Do not use abreviations In .COM files.   Regards, Paddy     labadie wrote:B > "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> wrote in message+ > news:untrs84838ka05@corp.supernews.com...a >=20 >>HI,a >>; >>How do I deassign the logical name from the system table.  >> >>I tried executing the commande >>$ set proc/priv=3D(sysprv). >>$ DEASSIGN/TABLE=3DLNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY TAX >>
 >>but it says + >>%SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name matchc >>	 >>However: >>$ show logical TAX >>
 >>displaysB >>"TAX" =3D "DISK$PIPPIN:[DATA.TESTDATA.V1110]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >> >=20 > Helloe >=20 > $ Sh lo/fu taxI > will show that it is defined in the system table, but with the user, ori > supervisor, or... mode! > so you should do something likeS > deas/sys/exec taxe > or > deas/sys/super tax > or...A >=20	 > Regards  >=20
 > G=E9rard >=20 >=20          G ***********************************************************************u  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegede@ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisenD the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.-  C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20rC immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20 ? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=208C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment."=  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:41:20 +1000e1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>a1 Subject: Re: deassigning logical in system table.s, Message-ID: <3D7F1DD0.8030805@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Sandeep Yelwatkar wrote:  > HI,  ><  > How do I deassign the logical name from the system table.  >   > I tried executing the command  > $ set proc/priv=(sysprv)l-  > $ DEASSIGN/TABLE=LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY TAXd  >  > but it says,  > %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match  >
  > However  > $ show logical TAX   >  > displays A  > "TAX" = "DISK$PIPPIN:[DATA.TESTDATA.V1110]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)-  >  > Please advice  >	  > Thanks 
  > Sandeep  >  ' deassign/system and if necessary /exec.M  G And if you ain't got privilege, you may be able to do what you want if:1   $ assign tax ......v  G This will put it into your process table and override the system table.aE But!!!!! it depends how the system logical is set up.  You may not berF able to override.  On my systems, I do not let users override DCL$PATH for example.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegeds> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviseVB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.a  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid iA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the b= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with eC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesm> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment."e  G ***********************************************************************y   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 10:45:15 -0700  From: nmanser@progis.de (Manser) Subject: DEC AMDS VAX 7.3 bugi= Message-ID: <2178d61f.0209110945.6d36a00a@posting.google.com>   
 Hi vms folks,-  A  I have installed on my vaxstation (vms 7.3)  4000-60 decamds 7.3k  data analyser.   the installation went fine.>  but when i started the data analyser the node with vaxvms 7.38  doesn't appear,all the nodes with other versions appear  +  in the logfile i got the following messaget  G  Copyright (c) 1995 Digital Equipment Corporation. All rights reserved. F  %AMDS-W-BADPARAM, bad parameter for program RMCONFIG request for node  URANUSb0  %TRACE-W-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump followsF  module name     routine name                     line       rel PC     abs PCb  E  COMM_UTILITY    AMDS$CheckIosbStatus            65614      000003D1 n	  000538D5qE  COMM_UTILITY    ConfigDone                      66093      0000008E n	  00053E6E.E  ECL_ROUTINES    ecl$send                        62633      0000015D i	  00058E917E  COMM_UTILITY    greetings                       66900      000003A4  	  0005476CtE  DECAMDS         rcv_from_comm                   62738      00000196 J	  000511D6iE  DECAMDS         AMDS$check_message              62597      00000010  	  00051020tD                                                            001B095C 	  001B095CjD                                                            001B0C2B 	  001B0C2B D                                                            001AFFC5 	  001AFFC5 D                                                            001AFFA1 	  001AFFA1 E  DECAMDS         main                            61972      000008CC r	  00050644r  (  i have no service contract with compaq.'  have anyone experienced this problem ?a  is there a patch available ?   thanks in advance  
  Nazim Mansers   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:34:16 -0400p; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>bE Subject: RE: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sormK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEAA0@rlghncst964.usps.gov>O  4      I forgot to add that you'll need to SET PRIV on2      the terminal server, but you probably already      knew that.r        WWWebbe          -----Original Message-----" From: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC , Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:16 AM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" E Subject: RE: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sor      -----Original Message-----6 From: "John Clausen" [mailto:jclausen@co.walker.tx.us]+ Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:26 AM. To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com"8C Subject: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sortao    % Thanks again for everyone who helped.u  L I was able to set up LANCP to boot the DS200, but what was happening is thatL once it booted all I saw was : Image loaded successfully. (or something like that).  % Then I would get nothing from port 1.sC I then was able to connect to the DS200 remote console using LANCP.   4 I logged in and there is was a Local> prompt!!Great!L oops, the password wasn't set to the default...so.. I powered down the DS200F and held down the S1 button during power up. Still the password wasn't default...hmmmm...  J After opening the DS200, I found out why that didn't work...the button was
 unplugged.. I plugged it in, erased NVRAM and off it went.  D I have looked through the help screens and the documentation I have." Setting up ports are quite simple.  ' I have only one question at this point:a  - Can a node be set up using the Local> prompt?n    2    Gee, it's been *so* long since I've done a 200.4    BTW, the fact that you've got the terminal server1    entitles you to a copy of the software for it.l      200's don't do IP.   D    On a terminal server you don't set up nodes, you set up services.  4    Then you can DEFINE/SET PORT PREFERRED SERVICE or.                 DEFINE/PORT DEDICATED SERVICE.  $    Is that what you're trying to do?)    You can type HELP at the LOCAL> promptp  D I am wanting to set up VS4000 at ethernet address 08-00-02-0a-7a-ed.  If not, what is the easiest way?      It depends.  B    If you're wanting to tell the system about the terminal server-  A    If you're running DECnet IV you create it as a DECnet node thee2    same way you would for another computer system--    MCR NCP CREATE NODE <SERVERNAME> blahblah."      MCR NCP HELP CREATE NODE!   Is this where TSM coms in?      It could be-DD    If you're using TSM you use ADD SERVER <SERVERNAME> and so forth.  "    TSM HELP ADD SERVER for details  3    Do one or the other.  You don't have to do both.   ' oops, I guess that is three questions..d  I    (Our main weapon is surprise and fear, fear and surprise....uhhh...our- TWO)L    At least you didn't ask about the terminal velocity of a falling sparrow.  	    WWWebb:  
 Thanks again,1   John Clausen   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:26:48 GMT - From: jclausen@co.walker.tx.us (John Clausen)9C Subject: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sorta / Message-ID: <rwHf9.4$li.32629@news.randori.com>r  % Thanks again for everyone who helped.l  M I was able to set up LANCP to boot the DS200, but what was happening is that 'M once it booted all I saw was : Image loaded successfully. (or something like . that).  % Then I would get nothing from port 1.tC I then was able to connect to the DS200 remote console using LANCP.g  4 I logged in and there is was a Local> prompt!!Great!M oops, the password wasn't set to the default...so.. I powered down the DS200  G and held down the S1 button during power up. Still the password wasn't   default...hmmmm...  K After opening the DS200, I found out why that didn't work...the button was I
 unplugged.. I plugged it in, erased NVRAM and off it went.  D I have looked through the help screens and the documentation I have." Setting up ports are quite simple.  ' I have only one question at this point:p  - Can a node be set up using the Local> prompt?cD I am wanting to set up VS4000 at ethernet address 08-00-02-0a-7a-ed.  If not, what is the easiest way? Is this where TSM coms in?  ' oops, I guess that is three questions..h  
 Thanks again,    John Clausen   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:16:01 -0400t; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>cG Subject: RE: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sorta K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA9F@rlghncst964.usps.gov>?   -----Original Message-----6 From: "John Clausen" [mailto:jclausen@co.walker.tx.us]+ Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:26 AM. To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" C Subject: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sortaw    % Thanks again for everyone who helped.9  L I was able to set up LANCP to boot the DS200, but what was happening is thatL once it booted all I saw was : Image loaded successfully. (or something like that).  % Then I would get nothing from port 1.hC I then was able to connect to the DS200 remote console using LANCP.   4 I logged in and there is was a Local> prompt!!Great!L oops, the password wasn't set to the default...so.. I powered down the DS200F and held down the S1 button during power up. Still the password wasn't default...hmmmm...  J After opening the DS200, I found out why that didn't work...the button was
 unplugged.. I plugged it in, erased NVRAM and off it went.  D I have looked through the help screens and the documentation I have." Setting up ports are quite simple.  ' I have only one question at this point::  - Can a node be set up using the Local> prompt?E    2    Gee, it's been *so* long since I've done a 200.4    BTW, the fact that you've got the terminal server1    entitles you to a copy of the software for it.l      200's don't do IP.7  D    On a terminal server you don't set up nodes, you set up services.  :5    Then you can DEFINE/SET PORT PREFERRED SERVICE or d.                 DEFINE/PORT DEDICATED SERVICE.  $    Is that what you're trying to do?)    You can type HELP at the LOCAL> prompto  D I am wanting to set up VS4000 at ethernet address 08-00-02-0a-7a-ed.  If not, what is the easiest way?      It depends.  B    If you're wanting to tell the system about the terminal server-  A    If you're running DECnet IV you create it as a DECnet node thea3    same way you would for another computer system- l-    MCR NCP CREATE NODE <SERVERNAME> blahblah.c      MCR NCP HELP CREATE NODEd   Is this where TSM coms in?      It could be- D    If you're using TSM you use ADD SERVER <SERVERNAME> and so forth.  #    TSM HELP ADD SERVER for details    u3    Do one or the other.  You don't have to do both.-  ' oops, I guess that is three questions..2  I    (Our main weapon is surprise and fear, fear and surprise....uhhh...our: TWO)L    At least you didn't ask about the terminal velocity of a falling sparrow.  	    WWWebbe  
 Thanks again,    John Clausen   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:08:20 GMTh From: danco@ns2.pebble.orgG Subject: Re: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sorta 1 Message-ID: <slrnanus71.f39.danco@ns2.pebble.org>,  K In article <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA9F@rlghncst964.usps.gov>,u" Webb, William W Raleigh, NC wrote:   >    200's don't do IP.   G Much worse, DECserver 200's also don't do symetrical RTS/CTS (hardware)aB flow control.  The DS200 can flow off the attached device, but theG attached device can't flow off the DS200.  If you can get one, the more,2 recent (relatively speaking) DS700 is much better.   - Dani   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Sep 2002 15:06:37 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)iG Subject: Re: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sorta 0 Message-ID: <alnm5t$2pn$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  _ In article <rwHf9.4$li.32629@news.randori.com>, jclausen@co.walker.tx.us (John Clausen) writes:s. >Can a node be set up using the Local> prompt?E >I am wanting to set up VS4000 at ethernet address 08-00-02-0a-7a-ed. ! >If not, what is the easiest way?  >Is this where TSM coms in?N  G TSM is a tool save all the commands you entered in order to configure agJ DECserver. Configuring a DECserver is done via the "Local>"-prompt, eitherH from a physical port or from the remote console. Alternatively one might  configure the DECserver via TSM.  J Now, what do you mean with "setting up a node"? I assume you would like toM configure a port in such a way that a terminal is able to establish a sessionsK you your VS4000. To achieve this, you need to configure both, your node andpO your DECserver. Typically you have to enable LAT on your node (see "MCR LATCP") L and the allow incoming connections and define a service. Finally assign yourO newly created service as a preferred or dedicated service to one or all of yourB. DECserver ports. You do this at the DECserver.   Hope this helpsN    Christoph Gartmannc  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:37:43 +0200b" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>G Subject: Re: DECserver200 and VMS part 2 - I did get it running - sorta 6 Message-ID: <alnv1f$1reo9a$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   >s/ > Can a node be set up using the Local> prompt?mJ All DS200 functionality is available thru the Local> prompt. There are twoL ways of getting there: hardwired terminal or network console (as you already know :-)  F > I am wanting to set up VS4000 at ethernet address 08-00-02-0a-7a-ed." > If not, what is the easiest way?J Not sure what you mean with the question. The ~0a-7a-ed address belongs to
 which device?- > Is this where TSM coms in?L If you want to run scripts instead of re-entering all commands manually: yes TSM is the only way to do that.)) > oops, I guess that is three questions..-  
 A pleasure   Hans > Thanks again,e >1 > John Clausen >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:35:28 +0200a' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.not>gA Subject: Re: DECwindows X11 display server: creating visuals - Ren( Message-ID: <3D7F46A0.E451E5D8@spam.not>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > G > Being a display server "expert" and an X11 application expert are twopI > seperate things...  and even my old-timers is kicking in on the displayfI > server, since by-and-large I mostly manage the group that does the workp
 > these days.    Point taken :-)3  M > I looked around for a reasonable example of something that can use multiplenM > depths - even when it isn't the default.  I believe that the old version ofDL > XANIM on the freeware CD is a good fit.  Look at XA_X11.C.  It attempts to* > find the visual with the greatest depth.  ' Thanks; I studied it - took me a while.e  L > It loops through the visuals and maximizes the vis.depth instead of tryingH > to use the depths supported by the screen (which may only be valid forL > pixmaps).  Yes, I believe that you have to create and install a colormap -L > the vis.depth value used in the xCreateColormap call determines the depth  > of the colormap.  G XANIM does what I think has to be done. It calls XMatchVisualInfo with sE an appropriate mask and value set and processes the list of visuals. aC It then selects the visual with the maximum depth and amongst them d" the visual with the maximum class.  G I'm not sure whether I understand "instead of trying to use the depths b> supported by the screen (which may only be valid for pixmaps)" correctly. r  G There is a default visual for and both a list of visuals and supported iG depth for each screen. I don't try to use a depth that isn't supported tD for the screen at all but one that isn't equal to one of the depths ; associated with the supported color visuals of that screen.   E The third parameter of XCreateColormap is a Visual which has a field *E "bits_per_rgb". The XGetVisualInfo and XMatchVisualInfo routines use 1C the XVisualInfo type which has a member "depth" which has the same .% meaning as "at all at "bits_per_rgb".c  ? I set now "bits_per_rgb" before calling XCreateColormap but it  A doesn't change anything. I still get BadMatch (invalid parameter gA attributes) when I create the window with a different depth than aE the one associated with the Visual parameter supplied with the call. T< Setting a field within the structure Visual directly wasn't : anyway what I expected to be good programming practice ;-)  A I wonder for what this depth parameter of XCreateWindow is good. MA It seems that the depth is already given by the Visual parameter e1 and therefore the parameter might be superfluous.u  C > The trick with the border is that you have to override the normaliL > CopyFromParent since the parent (the window created by the window manager)M > will usually have the *default* depth - and you will get a bad match error.t  : This is definitely what I to did. I have set the mask bit : CWBorderPixel for using the border_pixel attribute of the  structure XSetWindowAttributes.*  9 If using XBlackPixel(dpy, screen) isn't correct I get in a; trouble. I also tried to create a different pixmap for use i8 as border but XCreatePixmap needs a drawable which also < carries the depth information. I didn't succeed in creating ) a pixmap with which the error disappears.a  = Is there a way to find out which of the XSetWindowAttributes   fields caused the BadMatch?u  I > I'd suggest the first few pages of chapter 3 in the XWindow System (3rde& > edition).  In particular page 54-56.  = I have amongst others "The X WINDOW SYSTEM - Programming and e< Applications with Xt" OSF/MOTIF Edition by Douglas A. Young ; ISBN 0-13-4970748. I try to get hold of a copy of the book aA you mentioned when I get to the library next time. Unfortunately r1 the local library is closed until end of October!*  @ One other question related to the DECwindows X11 display server > on VMS. We talked about the problem of the periodically dying ? server and the color wheel example program from DEC that kills u= the server immediately. End of January I sent a message with m9 the server log you asked for to your your e-mail address (; kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com and July, 19th I asked whether l< you had some news about these two problems. I would like to < ask whether you actually got those messages. Since I didn't ; get any response to those but a response to my question in t: c.o.v. I conclude that mailing you directly didn't bother 3 you. Or is kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com a spam sink?r   Christof    D > >My routine to create a window with arbitrary depth is as follows: > >oK > >Window create_window(XVisualInfo *v, Colormap map, int depth, int w, inta > >h){ > >M  > >   XSetWindowAttributes xswa; > > 7 > >   xswa.event_mask = ButtonPressMask | ExposureMask;C3 > >   xswa.border_pixel = XBlackPixel(dpy, screen);  > >   xswa.colormap = map; > >s8 > >   return XCreateWindow(dpy, RootWindow(dpy, screen),< > >            0, 0, w, h, 0, depth, InputOutput, v->visual,@ > >            CWEventMask | CWBorderPixel | CWColormap, &xswa); > >}   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:57:02 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> A Subject: Re: DECwindows X11 display server: creating visuals - Re02 Message-ID: <2RIf9.24$DL5.460869@news.cpqcorp.net>  ? Brass Christof wrote in message <3D7F46A0.E451E5D8@spam.not>...  >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  >>H >> Being a display server "expert" and an X11 application expert are twoJ >> seperate things...  and even my old-timers is kicking in on the displayJ >> server, since by-and-large I mostly manage the group that does the work >> these days. >p >Point taken :-) > E >> I looked around for a reasonable example of something that can uses multipleK >> depths - even when it isn't the default.  I believe that the old versionb ofJ >> XANIM on the freeware CD is a good fit.  Look at XA_X11.C.  It attempts to+ >> find the visual with the greatest depth.g >D( >Thanks; I studied it - took me a while. >lF >> It loops through the visuals and maximizes the vis.depth instead of tryingI >> to use the depths supported by the screen (which may only be valid forWB >> pixmaps).  Yes, I believe that you have to create and install a
 colormap -L >> the vis.depth value used in the xCreateColormap call determines the depth >> of the colormap.r > G >XANIM does what I think has to be done. It calls XMatchVisualInfo with-E >an appropriate mask and value set and processes the list of visuals.sC >It then selects the visual with the maximum depth and amongst themc# >the visual with the maximum class.d >tG >I'm not sure whether I understand "instead of trying to use the depths ? >supported by the screen (which may only be valid for pixmaps)"  >correctly.  >t  I The implication I got from you was that you were selecting depth from thehE reported screen formats, instead of from the visuals.  A screen might K support a 1-bit pixmap depth (in fact it always does), but probably doesn'tr" support a window with 1-bit depth.  G >There is a default visual for and both a list of visuals and supported1G >depth for each screen. I don't try to use a depth that isn't supported D >for the screen at all but one that isn't equal to one of the depths< >associated with the supported color visuals of that screen. >   F See above.  You can only create a window with a depth in the supportedL visual list.  The other screen depths "should" be available for Pixmaps.  OfL course, I have also seen many servers that report screen depths that are notK supported at all - since 99% of things never look at the supported depths -v6 nothing usually fails - it's sloppy server DDX coding.  E >The third parameter of XCreateColormap is a Visual which has a fieldsE >"bits_per_rgb". The XGetVisualInfo and XMatchVisualInfo routines useVC >the XVisualInfo type which has a member "depth" which has the samew& >meaning as "at all at "bits_per_rgb". >E  K bits_per_rgb isn't the same as depth.  It tells you how big the fields are.83 There are also masks that tells you where they are.   ? >I set now "bits_per_rgb" before calling XCreateColormap but it A >doesn't change anything. I still get BadMatch (invalid parameter A >attributes) when I create the window with a different depth thaneE >the one associated with the Visual parameter supplied with the call.R< >Setting a field within the structure Visual directly wasn't; >anyway what I expected to be good programming practice ;-)  >t  I This is your fundamental problem.  The visual you use specifies the pixeltG depth of the window.  You can't create a window with a depth that isn't  found in the visual list.   I Remember - only a handful of adapters actually support simultanious pixeltF depths.  The TGA2 for example, and most of the 3D adapters.  This is aK RAMDAC feature that isn't present in commodity cards - like the ELSA or the0H VX1, or even the Radeon.  So if you search through the visuals and don'tL find the depth you want, you are not going to be able to create a window for that depth.@  A >I wonder for what this depth parameter of XCreateWindow is good. A >It seems that the depth is already given by the Visual parameterh2 >and therefore the parameter might be superfluous. >sD >> The trick with the border is that you have to override the normalD >> CopyFromParent since the parent (the window created by the window manager)G >> will usually have the *default* depth - and you will get a bad matchd error. > : >This is definitely what I to did. I have set the mask bit: >CWBorderPixel for using the border_pixel attribute of the  >structure XSetWindowAttributes. >n9 >If using XBlackPixel(dpy, screen) isn't correct I get inw; >trouble. I also tried to create a different pixmap for usen8 >as border but XCreatePixmap needs a drawable which also< >carries the depth information. I didn't succeed in creating* >a pixmap with which the error disappears. >e= >Is there a way to find out which of the XSetWindowAttributes4 >fields caused the BadMatch? >0  K Nope.  X11 isn't very good at telling you exactly what was wrong, but the X K Window System book (which is the spec) will tell you what things will cause- a bad match for the call.   J >> I'd suggest the first few pages of chapter 3 in the XWindow System (3rd' >> edition).  In particular page 54-56.e >r= >I have amongst others "The X WINDOW SYSTEM - Programming and < >Applications with Xt" OSF/MOTIF Edition by Douglas A. Young; >ISBN 0-13-4970748. I try to get hold of a copy of the bookoA >you mentioned when I get to the library next time. Unfortunately62 >the local library is closed until end of October! >0@ >One other question related to the DECwindows X11 display server> >on VMS. We talked about the problem of the periodically dying? >server and the color wheel example program from DEC that killss= >the server immediately. End of January I sent a message with 9 >the server log you asked for to your your e-mail addresso; >kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com and July, 19th I asked whetherd< >you had some news about these two problems. I would like to< >ask whether you actually got those messages. Since I didn't; >get any response to those but a response to my question inr: >c.o.v. I conclude that mailing you directly didn't bother4 >you. Or is kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com a spam sink? >.  K Yes/No.  I seldom use it anymore, but since I use it for things like this -eI it becomes the bit bucket for 20-30 spam mails a day.  If I recognize the.J name in the mail, I usually respond - but I end up doing mass deletes on aL regular basis.  I also have a tendency to file things in a todo bucket thereJ on occasion when I'm busy - but frequently it becomes a write only bucket.J I don't recall offhand seeing it, so it may have ended up being deleted as spam.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:10:35 +0100 (MET)F9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>E& Subject: Re: definition of SYS$SYSROOT; Message-ID: <01KMDN7EG8GQ9QVJI2@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n  H > Search for SYS$SYSROOT SYS$SPECIFIC and you'll find these two relevant > threads on pages 1 and 3:e > A > "Does DEC trust concealed devices?" and "RE: SYS$SYSROOT poser"r  " OK, looked at the second of these.  G > To sum it up, the answer at first glance appears to be the ability top$ > use a sequence like the following: > / > $ UAF = f$parse ("SYSUAF", "SYS$SYSTEM:.DAT")D > $ OPEN UAF 'UAF' > F > This would fail if SYS$SYSROOT = SYS$SPECIFIC,SYS$COMMON with SYSUAFE > present only in SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]. So this seems to be a trick to " > get F$PARSE to work "correctly".  $ Interesting.  Some food for thought:   $ WSO :== WRITE SYS$OUTPUT $ sh log sys$sysroot/fu P    "SYS$SYSROOT" [exec] = "DSA0:[SYS4.]" [concealed,terminal] (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)         = "SYS$COMMON:" P 1  "SYS$COMMON" [exec] = "DSA0:[SYS4.SYSCOMMON.]" [concealed,terminal] (LNM$SYST	 EM_TABLE)-% $ wso f$parse("x","sys$system:*.exe")2 SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]X.EXE;, $ define sys$sysroot sys$specific,sys$common% $ wso f$parse("x","sys$system:*.exe")s SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE]X.EXE;@ $ deassign sys$sysroot /proce<7 $ define sys$sysroot sys$specific/tran=conce,sys$common.% $ wso f$parse("x","sys$system:*.exe")t   $ deassign sys$sysroot /proce   E Note: that's not a cut-and-paste mistake, but rather the result is an  empty string.   ' Who can explain the above step by step?b  G > Of course no one mentioned why this is not a problem when you try themB > same trick with a file located only in the SYS$MANAGER "part" of > SYS$STARTUP!  , Well, that definition looks a bit different:   $ sh log sys$startup/fu.H    "SYS$STARTUP" [exec] = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$STARTUP]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)         = "SYS$MANAGER"tC 1  "SYS$MANAGER" [exec] = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)w  ? > And this still doesn't explain why it can't be something likea >  > $ SLF AEF$SYSROOTd8 >    "AEF$SYSROOT" [super] = "SYS$SPECIFIC:" [concealed] > (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)a >         = "SYS$COMMON:" @ > 1  "SYS$SPECIFIC" [exec] = "DSA0:[SYS0.]" [concealed,terminal] > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)H > 1  "SYS$COMMON" [exec] = "DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.]" [concealed,terminal] > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > @ > which would still yield the confusing SYS$SYSROOT in DIRECTORYF > displays but the F$PARSE usage shown above wouldn't be a problem and< > at least you'd see SYS$SPECIFIC when running SHOW LOGICAL.  % See the example above.  Empty string.a  B > Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that SYS$SYSROOT isH > defined very early in the boot process, before DCL is available to runB > STARTUP.COM. Maybe iterative translation isn't available at thatH > point, but then one could re-DEFINE it later. Anyway, still a bit of a
 > mystery.  H Surely some VMS engineer must know the answer here.  There doesn't seem G to be any info on this in the "Internals and Data Structures" book.  I r don't know where else to look.  G > Well, John Briggs commented on this to which I would add that it alsoID > allows the possibility of multiple common roots on the same systemG > disk. You could use SET FILE/ENTER to enter different common roots ash; > SYSCOMMON.DIR's in different [SYS%]'s. I vaguely remember|G > mixed-architecture disks would have a VAX common and a separate ALPHA|C > common, but upon looking for such references I mostly found posts-G > about why that's a bad idea (to have mixed-architecture disks, i.e.).   I Points taken, but somehow I doubt that that is the reason for the way it  F was implemented as it is.  Current use doesn't say anything about the E origin of a structure, as evolutionary biologists are used to saying.r   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 09:04:45 -06002 From: cochrane@encompasserve.org (Arthur Cochrane)& Subject: Re: definition of SYS$SYSROOT3 Message-ID: <qSeEiHSdUQtY@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  I     Looks like the reason SYS$SYSROOT is defined the way it is instead ofaA     SYS$SPECIFIC, SYS$COMMON would be a good addition to the FAQ.c  K     I once tried this on a VAXstation and found on reboot I could not login B     as SYSUAF could not be found due to the way F$PARSE translatesH     SYS$SYSROOT, it only searched the SYS$SPECIFIC directory and not theH     SYS$COMMON directory. I think it is the way the first translation ofC     SYS$SYSROOT is a concealed rooted logical so when VMS looks formE     something and does not find it from the first translation is getsaE     itself translated and allows it to look and the second (or third)r     translation in the list.    H     Maybe Steve Hoffman or Keith Parris can chime in with the history of"     the definition of SYS$SYSROOT.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:32:07 -0400 6 From: "John.Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>& Subject: Re: definition of SYS$SYSROOT* Message-ID: <alnr6k$l40$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Arthur Cochrane wrote:K >     Looks like the reason SYS$SYSROOT is defined the way it is instead of C >     SYS$SPECIFIC, SYS$COMMON would be a good addition to the FAQ.h <snip>4 Has anyone checked the FAQ to see if it is in there?  J >     Maybe Steve Hoffman or Keith Parris can chime in with the history of$ >     the definition of SYS$SYSROOT.  F IIRC: Steve Hoffman did post an eplanation of why SYS$SYSROOT and the E related SYS$COMMON.DIR are structured the way they are on this forum d  sometime in the last year or so.  " A google search should turn it up.   -Johno! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hpc Personal Opinion Onlyi   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 07:51:00 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i> Subject: Re: disk sizes on VMS (was: RE: Convert Blocks to MB)3 Message-ID: <b1ce68Y9qhFF@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  [ In article <3D7E3BE2.A2926AB0@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:l > 8 > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$getdvi( "drive", "maxblock" )/ > %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availablet
 >  \drive\ >   A    Dave, you forgot the :-).  Or did you leave something at home?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:39:21 +1200t From: "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz>a@ Subject: Re: Fabio Cardoso Enemy of the United States of America3 Message-ID: <wqCf9.5387$Y3.1071654@news.xtra.co.nz>n  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message( news:doAf9.386669$me6.43562@sccrnsc01...  L > Of course, non-Americans have, in myh experience, a much different view of > the USA than do we natives.i >gH > Here's hoping for a peaceful 9-11. I'm betting it will be, at least on> > passenger aircraft. I'm flying from DFW to  BOS on  9-11-02.  > Hmmm, I'm still trying to figure out if DFW = "Dead From Work" or BOS = "Beaten On Sight"  D Just an example, of course, but you sort of asked for it. After all,G abbreviations assume that all the parties know what those stand for ...a   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:03:31 -0700 (PDT)e. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>@ Subject: Re: Fabio Cardoso Enemy of the United States of America@ Message-ID: <20020911110331.88957.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>   Lets see...   Osama Bin Laden  Saddan Hussein Muamar Khadafi   and   , m : Fabo Cardoso !!! Non-american like other+ 5.700.000.00 bilion  people worldwide ! ! !d   mmmm....   No comments, plesae !              --- AG <ang@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > 6 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in	 > messaget* > news:doAf9.386669$me6.43562@sccrnsc01... > 5 > > Of course, non-Americans have, in myh experience,e > a much different view of > > the USA than do we natives.  > > 5 > > Here's hoping for a peaceful 9-11. I'm betting iti > will be, at least on6 > > passenger aircraft. I'm flying from DFW to  BOS on >  9-11-02.  > 5 > Hmmm, I'm still trying to figure out if DFW = "Dead  > From Work" > or BOS = "Beaten On Sight" > 3 > Just an example, of course, but you sort of askedt > for it. After all,5 > abbreviations assume that all the parties know whaty > those stand for ...o >  >  >      =====o ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilb fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember1 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lostf% http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tributea   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:27:28 -0600t% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>e@ Subject: Re: Fabio Cardoso Enemy of the United States of AmericaB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020911052423.00b0d8b8@raptor.psccos.com>    At 01:39 AM 9/11/2002, AG wrote:  = >"Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in messaget) >news:doAf9.386669$me6.43562@sccrnsc01...l >iN > > Of course, non-Americans have, in myh experience, a much different view of > > the USA than do we natives.d > >tJ > > Here's hoping for a peaceful 9-11. I'm betting it will be, at least on@ > > passenger aircraft. I'm flying from DFW to  BOS on  9-11-02. >d? >Hmmm, I'm still trying to figure out if DFW = "Dead From Work"  >or BOS = "Beaten On Sight"b   DFW = "Dallas/Fort Worth", BOS = "Boston"  J In the US (actually, worldwide) airports are given 3-letter identifiers as& an "aviation shorthand".  For example:   LHR = Heathrow airport LAX = Los Angeles International| DEN = Denver InternationalM ORD = Chicago O'Hare airport (ORD came from "Ordway", what it was originally)7 SLC = Salt Lake City  
 and so on.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:24:02 -0500r, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov>@ Subject: Re: Fabio Cardoso Enemy of the United States of America+ Message-ID: <alnjqs$hnm$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>e  2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message< news:5.1.0.14.2.20020911052423.00b0d8b8@raptor.psccos.com...A > ... In the US (actually, worldwide) airports are given 3-letteru identifiers as( > an "aviation shorthand".  For example: >  > LHR = Heathrow airport! > LAX = Los Angeles Internationalo > DEN = Denver InternationalC > ORD = Chicago O'Hare airport (ORD came from "Ordway", what it wash originally)n > SLC = Salt Lake City  J A bit off the track of this newsgroup, but for the record, ORD was OrchardJ Field, a military airport.  It was converted to commercial use and renamedA in honor of Lt. Col. Edward F. O'Hare, a World War II pilot, whenaH land-locked Midway airport could no longer support Chicago's air trafficL demand.  Chicago's original Municipal airport was renamed Midway in honor of that World War II battle.c  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541t scandora@cmt.anl.gov   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 10:29:40 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)a@ Subject: Re: Fabio Cardoso Enemy of the United States of America3 Message-ID: <zbiMs6rbjA+o@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  Q In article <wqCf9.5387$Y3.1071654@news.xtra.co.nz>, "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz> writes:r > > > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message* > news:doAf9.386669$me6.43562@sccrnsc01... > M >> Of course, non-Americans have, in myh experience, a much different view ofo >> the USA than do we natives. >>I >> Here's hoping for a peaceful 9-11. I'm betting it will be, at least on ? >> passenger aircraft. I'm flying from DFW to  BOS on  9-11-02.e > @ > Hmmm, I'm still trying to figure out if DFW = "Dead From Work" > or BOS = "Beaten On Sight" >   1 	Well... from context , he is flying to and from.    	The DFW is Dallas Fort Worthr 	BOS = Boston.  @ 	Any Rush fans?  How about YYZ?  Is that a great instrumental or 	what?     			Ontario  Airport Codes    			Hamilton 	YHM r 			London 		YXU  			Ottawa 		YOW  			Sault Ste Marie YAM " 			Sudbury 	YSB  			Thunder Bay 	YQT  			Toronto (Island) YTZ * 			Toronto (Lester B. Pearson Int'l) 	YYZ  			Windsor 	YQG    				Roba   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:15:27 +0200i- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>i5 Subject: Re: FC Enemy of the United States of Americaa' Message-ID: <3D7EDF7F.8666D78E@Free.fr>e  % THIS ISSUE HAS NOTHING TO DO IN HERE. 	 MOVE OUT.s   D.   Doran Werling wrote: >  > Fabio Cardoso, > L >     Your insult and calluousness toward MY COUNTRY on the eve of SeptemberJ > 11th can not go unanswered. You obviously think that the murder of 6000+/ > Americans is a joke.  The joke is now on you.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:52:22 -0700'# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>e Subject: ftp bombardment9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEHBFLAA.tom@kednos.com>T  & running hgftp, tcpip5.1 VMS7.3 on AXP.  2 My log file was being swamped with entries as like  ?  9-SEP-2002 17:08:38.50 Connection accepted for server 00000001o?  9-SEP-2002 17:08:38.75 Connection accepted for server 00000002w=  9-SEP-2002 17:08:38.87 Connection closed for server 00000001d=  9-SEP-2002 17:08:39.28 Connection closed for server 00000002d?  9-SEP-2002 17:08:39.57 Connection accepted for server 00000003s?  9-SEP-2002 17:08:39.74 Connection accepted for server 00000004.?  9-SEP-2002 17:08:39.92 Connection accepted for server 00000005h?  9-SEP-2002 17:08:40.04 Connection accepted for server 00000006b?  9-SEP-2002 17:08:40.16 Connection accepted for server 00000007-=  9-SEP-2002 17:08:40.28 Connection closed for server 00000003 ?  9-SEP-2002 17:08:40.38 Connection accepted for server 00000008t?  9-SEP-2002 17:08:40.50 Connection accepted for server 00000009.  @ This behavior can be reproduce by ftp <ip-address of ftp server>> from known host (to avoid the "Error looking up ...") and then9 killing the connection.  So if this is done in a loop ...i  / Now normally, an anonymous frp connection wouldi  > 1-SEP-2002 09:51:39.97 Connection accepted for server 00000001H  1-SEP-2002 09:51:40.17 Error looking up the remote host name for server 0000000  1, status=00000870H  1-SEP-2002 09:51:40.78 ANONYMOUS-Server 00000001 (206.160.220.11) [FTP: Sessionc-  begins. User=ANONYMOUS, Ident=opera@, Host=]a< 1-SEP-2002 09:51:50.66 Connection closed for server 00000001  C How does one deal with this problem?  My temporary fix was to blocki$ a couple of class B's in the router,  2     deny ip 212.47.0.0 0.0.255.255 any (6 matches)7     deny ip 212.83.0.0 0.0.255.255 any (141514 matches)   D but the culprit has in th elast 24 hours moved from the first to the latter, and tomorrow ...     --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:24:31 +0200l From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT 3 Message-ID: <EeBf9.25297$H6.2615452@zwoll1.home.nl>    David J. Dachtera wrote: > Dirk Munk wrote: >  >>David J. Dachtera wrote: >> >>>12:35 US CDTs >>>eJ >>>U.S. Att'y Gen'l John Ashcroft just appeared on the air and stated thatH >>>the U.S. has been raised to a high alert level, level 2 of 5 (roughly >>>equiv. to "DefCon 2").  >>>cK >>>He urges Americans around the world to stand alert, yet stand defiant in.? >>>the face of potential threats surrounding the anniversary of  >>>11-Sep-2001.r >>>gF >>>Likewise, I urge my colleagues in all countries around the world toJ >>>stand alert yet stand defiant in the face of potential threats by thoseK >>>who seek to impose their views through terrorism, barbarism, attrocitiesa+ >>>and other sins against God and humanity.  >>Q >>Does this include not buying and using Windooz ? (sorry, could not resist :-) )i >>R >>On a more serious tone: let's not get hysterical please. I can understand the USP >>being on high alert, but Armageddon is not going to happen (yet). Even if someO >>lunatic bearded idiots were capable of killing some 3000 people, this wil notG >>really affect our daily life.m >  > ? > Well, we've got Dirk from The Netherlands and JF from Canada.e > G > I must admit, I did not expect these types of responses when I posted F > what I believed to be an echo of the government's concern over signs" > that could be interpreted badly. > J > If you've been effected by the economic downturn whose pace was somewhatF > accelerated by 9/11 and further exacerbated by Enron, then yes: suchJ > events *DO* effect your daily life, regardless of where in the world you > live.y  Q Sure, in that respect you're absolutely right. What I meant is our state of mind eN etc. There is a big difference between staying alert and vigilant and letting Q our lives by governed by fear, because that is what Bin Laden c.s. would like to lQ happen. The fact that people were so afraid to fly after 911, that airlines went 4Q bankrupt was exactly what Mr. Laden intended. In reality you would have had more sO change to be run over and get killed by a car on your way to the airport, then oP you would have had to die on a hijacked plane. Speaking for myself, I would not ) have been afraid to board a plane on 912.o   >  > 4 >>However when we get hysterical, we will ultimatelyP >>give them what they wanted, the disruption of our society. Do what the British2 >>did in WWII, don't let terror disrupt your life. >  > G > I'm not sure who you see as "getting hysterical". I'd consider that aw= > large gap exists between "hysteria" and "heightened alert".  >  > Q >>Oh yes, and Bin Ladens crazy ideas have as much to do with Islam as the Spanishk5 >>Inquisition had to do with Christianity: NOTHING !!$ >  > H > Eh, well, I'd say it's the difference between the purest tenets of theE > faith contrasted with the efforts of those who seek to exploit thatTJ > "infrastructure" to assert unwarranted authority or usurp that which mayF > have initially been rightfully granted. In any case, as a Dutch tourF > guide explained back in '89, the "'Holy' Roman Empire" really was anJ > unholy travesty compared with the teachings of The Jewish Carpenter. I'dG > have to view the actions of Al Qaeda as likewise being counter to thea > teachings of The Prophet.  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:51:35 +0100 (MET)F9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERTS; Message-ID: <01KMDGFHRUDU9OCZIZ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  L > > Puleeze.  Let's stick to VMS here.  I doubt that people use COV as theirN > > primary, or even secondary source of information and news about terrorism, > H > That doesn't justify not posting it. Remember the 1st amendment? ...or' > was that also a victim of the merger?   I Free speech is not the issue.  Staying on topic is.  While we all wander nH off topic from time to time, this rarely happens as the initial post in 	 a thread.o  D Fred was, in my opinion correctly, pointing out that this newsgroup F should stick to VMS-related topics.  Posting off-topic stuff can't be @ justified by the first amendment any more than posting spam can.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:31:24 +1000%1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>s% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT , Message-ID: <3D7F1B7C.6070209@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Phillip Helbig wrote:oK >>>Puleeze.  Let's stick to VMS here.  I doubt that people use COV as their M >>>primary, or even secondary source of information and news about terrorism,  >>H >>That doesn't justify not posting it. Remember the 1st amendment? ...or' >>was that also a victim of the merger?t >  > K > Free speech is not the issue.  Staying on topic is.  While we all wander 5J > off topic from time to time, this rarely happens as the initial post in  > a thread.S > F > Fred was, in my opinion correctly, pointing out that this newsgroup H > should stick to VMS-related topics.  Posting off-topic stuff can't be B > justified by the first amendment any more than posting spam can.  D I forget who Phillip was quoting here.  Whatever, I can accept that 9 David can feel this emotion.  I think that most of us do.n  G I am one who has often asked for less OT (justifying reading at work). tE Somewhere I think this is possibly less OT (in the sense that VMS or t otherwise, it is another bond).e  H In NSW, Australia, our premier asked that all cars (specifically Govt.) B put on headlights at 8.47 and maintained them for the rest of the  journey, in honour.h  H Our time is not your time, and we saw 8.47 US in the early hours of the  morning.  A I also agree with (I think) J-F.  Over in .au, we are seeing the $D memories and stories of people, etc. (all that J-F, and others have @ said), not the Bush (even Blair) idea of revenge against Saddam.  H Why don't we all grieve/honour/remember for a moment, not fight between G ourselves in this newsgroup.  There are moments of grief everywhere .. YE have we already forgotten Lochabie (? spelling, Alan) and the recent MI murders of two ten year old girls?  I know it is not the same magnitude, Q% but every grief is grief for someone.b   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************R  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedn> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisesB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.b  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid oA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the t= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with oC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses"> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment."u  G ***********************************************************************-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:00:25 +0200a9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>a% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT$' Message-ID: <3D7F2249.E60E01CA@aaa.com>    Paddy is right.n  " We must put things in perspective.  0 On the 11-Sep 2001 aprox 30.000 children died of5 starvation around the world. And 30.000 more childrenv4 died the 12-Sep-2001, and the 13-Sep-2001, and so on. up to this very day, and tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow, and the ...i  < A greaf is a greaf no matter how many is affected. In *that*8 sense, there is nothing particular with the 11-sep-2001.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.      Paddy O'Brien wrote: > * > There are moments of grief everywhere ..F > have we already forgotten Lochabie (? spelling, Alan) and the recentJ > murders of two ten year old girls?  I know it is not the same magnitude,' > but every grief is grief for someone.o >m   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:18:26 +0100s* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERTm, Message-ID: <aln8p3$1k74@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  > "Paddy O'Brien" <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote in message& news:3D7F1B7C.6070209@tg.nsw.gov.au...  G > > Fred was, in my opinion correctly, pointing out that this newsgroup:I > > should stick to VMS-related topics.  Posting off-topic stuff can't be D > > justified by the first amendment any more than posting spam can. >sE > I forget who Phillip was quoting here.  Whatever, I can accept thatn; > David can feel this emotion.  I think that most of us do..  H Unfortunately, sooner or later someone is bound to start on the politicsL of the situation and say something they will regret later, or get drawn intoF an argument.  I do not want to see such here, and certainly not today.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:58:53 -0400r! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>e% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT ' Message-ID: <3D7F3E0D.64FD1F0A@vcu.edu>=  3 Jim replied and chainsawed out some of this stuff..r   Dirk Munk wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > Dirk Munk wrote: > >= > >>David J. Dachtera wrote: > >> > >>>12:35 US CDT  > >>>-    R > Sure, in that respect you're absolutely right. What I meant is our state of mindO > etc. There is a big difference between staying alert and vigilant and letting7R > our lives by governed by fear, because that is what Bin Laden c.s. would like toR > happen. The fact that people were so afraid to fly after 911, that airlines wentR > bankrupt was exactly what Mr. Laden intended. In reality you would have had moreP > change to be run over and get killed by a car on your way to the airport, thenQ > you would have had to die on a hijacked plane. Speaking for myself, I would not + > have been afraid to board a plane on 912.e >  > >   ? We did that, flew in October for my son's birthday to Disney inn Florida...  Really nice timeF as all the others stayed home.  Still had a few kooks who kept cutting. in front of my wife's wheelchair, damn them...   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 08:11:49 -0700% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips)t% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERTa= Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0209110711.189359cc@posting.google.com>   + Forgive my butting in, but this isn't fair:   O > Give you an example: watched TV on and off during the day and all night whileaP > doing other stuff. CNN during the day was acting as a US government propagandaI > machine spewing out all sorts of scary stories about terrorist threathsr  A The first N in CNN stands for NEWS. News is what's happening now.oB The fact that our nation was put on high alert is something I wantC to know. PBS is also a US network and its progamming, as you noted,mC was one of remberance and respect. I want news, too, though. I want-C to know what's happening now. I want to know the current situation -E in Iraq and Afganistan and, yes, even Canada. I want news. Don't you?T  A If you think the stories are scary, it's because they are. If youyE think our news is a bit slanted towards our viewpoint, well, so what?lB That's the way we like it. We are America, so live with it, world. We'll be around for a while.    DL Phillips    a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D7EC7BB.4EE8BE29@videotron.ca>...a > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:L > > If you've been effected by the economic downturn whose pace was somewhat > > accelerated by 9/11  > M > Agreed. And not just companies in the USA were affected. All of the airline O > industry suffered a big setback. Airbus estimates that the ground lost due toDK > 9/11 will never be reclaimed and as a result, all projections for traffica) > growth will be pushed back a few years.O > I > > I'm not sure who you see as "getting hysterical". I'd consider that as? > > large gap exists between "hysteria" and "heightened alert".a > O > Give you an example: watched TV on and off during the day and all night while,P > doing other stuff. CNN during the day was acting as a US government propagandaJ > machine spewing out all sorts of scary stories about terrorist threaths,O > missiles with live ammo being installed in and around washington etc. Oh, anda% > that irak thing still being pushed.m > F > Meanwhile, in Canada, and on PBS, we has programs with interviews of< > survivors, families, firemen, how they cleaned the rubble. > @ > The USA government should have really focused on remembering.  > O > The human stories are far more important. While folks talk about the 2801 whooP > died, few talk about the survivors, the families of survivors and the familiesK > who have not yet had closure due to the body not having been recoved. OnetO > survivor said that where he is now, he is constantly looking and the best wayrO > out, be it from a ferry, a bus, building etc and says this will probably stayg* > with him for the remainder of his life.  > N > Few talk about how it must have felt to those stranded above the impact zoneO > in tower 1 with no way out. In the CBS "9/11" documentary aired in march, oneX > firemen says:OR > 	"How bad must it have been up there such that the better solution was to jump". > N > I am sorry, but Saddam can wait. Now is the time to remember the catastropheP > of sept 11. Now is not the time to escalate the tensions and threats, which is# > the agenda of the USA government..   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:28:03 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>T% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERTa2 Message-ID: <TpIf9.19$hF5.314412@news.cpqcorp.net>  H Confusing the right to free speech and appropriate places to express it?L Never mind, you started this thing, and since it is the usenet, I expect 4001 replies to clog what whould be a technical forum.-    A David J. Dachtera wrote in message <3D7E5ED4.413B86EF@fsi.net>...  >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:c >>K >> Puleeze.  Let's stick to VMS here.  I doubt that people use COV as theirnB >> primary, or even secondary source of information and news about
 terrorism, > G >That doesn't justify not posting it. Remember the 1st amendment? ...ore& >was that also a victim of the merger? >n >> or patriotism.  >v >Clearly, not my intent. >0J >> Find some other forum if you want to discuss the politics of terrorism. >iD >Also, clearly, not my intent, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismissH >blithely that which effects all of us, everywhere, especially since youH >are a good 1200 miles or so closer to "ground zero" than Metro Chicago.I >If you can find it, listen CAREFULLY to the announcement, especially thebE >reason behind it. Then, I think you'll realize how inapproriate yourS
 >comment was.0 >  >--c >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/c >n) >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:   >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 10:52:02 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) % Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERTn3 Message-ID: <2sJR8qnd2e6E@eisner.encompasserve.org>    Please STOP this thread.  J Killfiling by title is not an option, since someday someone might actually8 use this title for something relevant to this newsgroup.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:31:21 -0400:% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>0% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT=, Message-ID: <3D7F6FD7.E7B12455@videotron.ca>   Richard Brodie wrote:sJ > Unfortunately, sooner or later someone is bound to start on the politicsN > of the situation and say something they will regret later, or get drawn intoH > an argument.  I do not want to see such here, and certainly not today.  M I had the TV on during the morning for the WTC remembrance ceremony. SwitchedoI it off during the pentagon celebrations. But the WTC ceremony was classy.FJ Sorry but that is the only word that comes to mind. Totally apolitical andK foccused entirely on the victims/family with just very simple music (violin-J and flute), no fancy bands or trumpets or singers at the WTC celebration.   K Somehow CBS got a hold of the pictures and ages along with the name of each6N victims and they were being shown at the same time as the names were spoken byL family members. I kept it on just in case one name would have been familiar.K Thankfully (in my case) the only names I recognised were some I had seen on 6 TV, such as firemen, none that I had known personally.  N With the "pit" now cleaned, allowing the families to go down and deposit rosesN probably helped bring closure, especially for the many many families who never got a body to bury.r  J My hope now is that the debate on the rebuilding of the site will progressK much faster. I think that as soon as they start to pour concrete to build a J new structure, much healing will come because this will finally bring hope$ that the scar will finally disapear.  G Perhaps this is a reason why the celebration at the pentagone looked souL cheerful (I'd even say like an election campaign). The pentagone was totallyJ rebuilt and doesn't really have any scars left so it is easier to move on.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:40:14 GMTl* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT B Message-ID: <2eLf9.323519$On.13236547@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  2 "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com> wrote in message7 news:af0dc2ea.0209110711.189359cc@posting.google.com...   ) > We are America, so live with it, world.t > We'll be around for a while.  / I hope not, if that's going to be our attitude.n   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 07:53:20 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)lI Subject: Re: lexicals (was: RE: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)"p3 Message-ID: <zTtq2fTkrNaA@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  [ In article <3D7E5D4A.16305748@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Arne Vajhj wrote: >> b >> David J. Dachtera wrote:  >> wJ >> > Did y'ever notice that there's no system service to equivalent to SET
 >> > DEFAULT?  >> 41 >> You can not do ith one call. But you can do itr >> with two calls. >  > Precisely my point.r >   F    So why reinvent the wheel?  Call decc$chdir and let it do the work.<    Or are you running on a tailored system without the RTLs?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:39:21 +0200h@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>I Subject: Re: lexicals (was: RE: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)"n+ Message-ID: <3D7F71B9.9020402@mail.tele.dk>'   JF Mezei wrote:s  I >>>>Did y'ever notice that there's no system service to equivalent to SET" >>>>DEFAULT? >>>>1 >>>You can not do ith one call. But you can do ita >>>with two calls. > O > But when you consider the various structures that need to be setup before youGU > can make those 2 calls, it is far more involved than a simple SET DEFAULT from DCL.    True.o  6 But but many system services even if one is sufficient2 requires significant data structures to be set up.  1 One of the best (or worst !) examples is probablyh SYS$GETQUI(W).   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:42:59 +0200r@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>I Subject: Re: lexicals (was: RE: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)"i+ Message-ID: <3D7F7293.3000906@mail.tele.dk>P   Bob Koehler wrote:  H >    So why reinvent the wheel?  Call decc$chdir and let it do the work.> >    Or are you running on a tailored system without the RTLs?  4 It could be argued from a purist point of view, that: the functionaly really belongs outside a language-specific RTL.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:31:35 -0500y& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>Y Subject: Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!a8 Message-ID: <hskunu8mp4eu9ot7qscnqhcott12nippdc@4ax.com>  @ On 10 Sep 02 15:43:05 +0200, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:     >m >US prices fromp> >http://shop.microsoft.com/Referral/productInfo.asp?siteID=656 >  >Windows 2000 Server: 
 > 5 user $999r >10 user $1,199k >25 user $1,799o >sF >But I don't know how much you need to spend on extras such as backup,8 >job control, and so on. They certainly mount up though. >-A >http://shop.microsoft.com/Referral/productInfo.asp?siteID=10188 p >y; >W2000 Advanced Server (SMP support, "clustering" (snigger)R >and load balancing) >. >25 user $3,999v >> >   D Now to really compare apples-to-apples, use Windows 2000 Data Center licenses vs OpenVMS licenses.>   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 11:27:20 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)gY Subject: Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! 3 Message-ID: <TDWSEOIfZbxl@eisner.encompasserve.org>W  a In article <hskunu8mp4eu9ot7qscnqhcott12nippdc@4ax.com>, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> writes: B > On 10 Sep 02 15:43:05 +0200, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) > wrote: >> >>US prices from? >>http://shop.microsoft.com/Referral/productInfo.asp?siteID=656t >> >>Windows 2000 Server: >> 5 user $999 >>10 user $1,199 >>25 user $1,799 >>G >>But I don't know how much you need to spend on extras such as backup,t9 >>job control, and so on. They certainly mount up though.n >>B >>http://shop.microsoft.com/Referral/productInfo.asp?siteID=10188  >>< >>W2000 Advanced Server (SMP support, "clustering" (snigger) >>and load balancing)n >> >>25 user $3,999 >>F > Now to really compare apples-to-apples, use Windows 2000 Data Center > licenses vs OpenVMS licenses.o >   = I'd like to see that!  Does anyone have a handy W2KDC vs. VMS 8 price comparison?  It might just be a handy club to use,= especially if it included all the various extra products thati> would need to be purchased to get W2KDC a close as possible to the feature set of VMS.   ? One project we have going here on W2K looks like it may have too; be upgraded to W2KDC to handle the load.  (Upgrade is theirt= phrase, not mine.  My take on going from W2K to W2KDC is likee? going from a porto-potty to an industrial waste water treatmentM8 plant; the smell is the same, there is just more of it.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:37:35 -0400y% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>*Y Subject: Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!y, Message-ID: <3D7F714D.9EBA1DB7@videotron.ca>   jlsue wrote:F > Now to really compare apples-to-apples, use Windows 2000 Data Center > licenses vs OpenVMS licenses.l  ! NO! This is exactly the problem. h  M VMS is restricted to the "Data center licences" while competitors have a muchnF wider variety of licences from very affordable entry level ones to the top-of-class data-center one.,  M It is VMS which needs to scale down to widen the targetted markets. The otherh. have already scaled up to compete against VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:10:02 +0200s9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>sA Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns!*' Message-ID: <3D7EEC4A.868773E0@aaa.com>*  2 What has "Train  Grande Vitesse" to do woth this?   :-)    Jan-Erik Sderholm   John Smith wrote:m > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagec9 > news:d7791aa1.0209101058.18419917@posting.google.com...E > >aH > > I talked to Rich Marcello about this awhile ago ... why do you thinkF > > they went ahead and did the DS25 for VMS, because I told him about> > > customers like us who needed small workgroup solutions ... >  > Remember TGV?p   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:45:10 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>A Subject: Re: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS just yawns! 8 Message-ID: <q4iunusatvhbf3j0famdnimcu9tk4rn29g@4ax.com>  , On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:59:06 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:b   >Phillip Helbig wrote:B >> To be fair, one should also compare the quality of the product. >sM >This is where HP will have to bite its tongue and make VMS the same price as-H >NT. After all, HP does claim that NT is enterprise ready, scalable, has2 >clustering, secure and high quality, doesn't it ?  > I believe that VMS is already right in the same ballpark as NTF pricing... that is, when you consider the level of NT that matches theE qualification and support that you get with VMS:  That's Windows 2000p Data Center.  B It's not cheap, but you get the reliability and support you expect	 with VMS.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:26:17 +0200a9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>v8 Subject: MIME.EXE vs. MPACK and virus scanning software.' Message-ID: <3D7F4479.EB8EBA4B@aaa.com>l   Hi.e< I'v a case where a mail with an attached ZIP file coded with) the MIME tool in VMS 7.2-1, is stopped by - "Norton AntiVirus Gateway" at the other side.t  9 When coding the same ZIP file with the freeware MPACK, is- gets through to the receiver.e  ? Unfortunatly, the NAV GW only says that there is *some* problem = with the RFC headers in the file coded with MIME.EXE, it does4- not show *which* header/line it don't like...o  4 Anyway, I'm probably going to switch to MPACK/MUPACK? completly, but I'd like to hear if someone else have seen this.c   Best Regards Jan-Erik Sderholm   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 10:10:01 -0700) From: munroe@csworks.com (Richard Munroe)i= Subject: NOIP Dynamic DNS client now available for OpenVMS...n< Message-ID: <8d09fa7.0209110910.4af33a89@posting.google.com>  @ Sort of, anyway.  I just finished a port of the NOIP client (SeeD www.noip.com for details) since I didn't want to HAVE to run a LinuxF box (nothing against Linux, I just don't want to waste the electricityF when I'm out of town).  The current implementation only works with theB Multinet TCP/IP stack, but it should be easy enough to get working with other stacks.  C This code has not yet been picked up by the NOIP folks, so the onlyt, place you can get it is by anonymous ftp to:       ftp.acornsw.come   then download:  '     NOIP_UPDATER_V1.6$VMS$5N$TAR$5NGZ;1e  F The original source of the updater is also available from the same web site.-  E If you find bugs in this port or port it to other stacks, let me knowDF so that I can keep everything synced up pending turning it over to the noip folks themselves.   Use it in good health.  # Dick Munroe (munroe at csworks.com)r   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:24:57 +0100 (MET)h9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> = Subject: NOIP Dynamic DNS client now available for OpenVMS...s; Message-ID: <01KMDW5ZTNG49QVJI2@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s   > www.noip.com s  H Does anyone have a "comparison chart" for various dynamic DNS companies?  H http://www.dyndns.org/ also comes to mind.  I'm sure I've seen at least  one more similar company.m  E I think most of these rely on some http-based dynamic update (in one pE case---or perhaps more---I think a single LYNX command can do it, as tI opposed to actually typing something in to some web-based control panel) iD as opposed to "real" dynamic DNS (possible in the latest version of @ TCP/IP Services), i.e. where the DNS servers talk to each other.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 03:21:22 -0700/ From: dave.barnes@tandemworld.net (Dave Barnes)p Subject: OpenVMS C Development< Message-ID: <8e11fb81.0209110221.f7dad07@posting.google.com>   Hi,   D I am seeking an OpenVMS / C developer with strong IP experience. TheA role will involve the migration of an existing application to thecA OpenVMS platform and redesigning/developing the incoming/outgoingsF real-time data feeds. The role is based in the City of London (UK) and% offers superb training opportunities.e  0 please contact me on dave.barnes@tandemworld.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:38:42 -0400s; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>"" Subject: RE: OpenVMS C DevelopmentK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA96@rlghncst964.usps.gov>    See that, guys?e  - "MIGRATION.... ***TO*** THE OPENVMS PLATFORM"v   Hooray!p   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----8 From: "Dave Barnes" [mailto:dave.barnes@tandemworld.net]+ Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:21 AMh To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com"  Subject: OpenVMS C Development     Hi,n  D I am seeking an OpenVMS / C developer with strong IP experience. TheA role will involve the migration of an existing application to theSA OpenVMS platform and redesigning/developing the incoming/outgoing F real-time data feeds. The role is based in the City of London (UK) and% offers superb training opportunities.s  0 please contact me on dave.barnes@tandemworld.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:53:39 +0200u9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>a" Subject: Re: OpenVMS C Development' Message-ID: <3D7F4AE3.CB1839D8@aaa.com>s   From what ?  RSX ?   :-)h Jan-Erik Sderholm.o  $ "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" wrote: >  > See that, guys?s > / > "MIGRATION.... ***TO*** THE OPENVMS PLATFORM"o > 	 > Hooray!e >  > WWWebb >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:43:21 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> " Subject: Re: OpenVMS C Development* Message-ID: <alnkqc$j1j$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Dave,p  > Just so you know I have sent to some of my contacts in the UK.   sue   < "Dave Barnes" <dave.barnes@tandemworld.net> wrote in message6 news:8e11fb81.0209110221.f7dad07@posting.google.com... > Hi,i >rF > I am seeking an OpenVMS / C developer with strong IP experience. TheC > role will involve the migration of an existing application to thehC > OpenVMS platform and redesigning/developing the incoming/outgoingiH > real-time data feeds. The role is based in the City of London (UK) and' > offers superb training opportunities.r >-2 > please contact me on dave.barnes@tandemworld.net   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:26:10 +0000 (UTC)M. From: "Sanface Software" <sanface@sanface.com> Subject: PLUG: csv2pdf 1.0H Message-ID: <4427e06b441a2319c44b64c8a04a80f7.93245@mygate.mailgate.org>  G csv2pdf is a very flexible Perl5 program based on txt2pdf 6.x core.  ItcG allows you to convert all your CSV files to PDF format, and is flexible H enough to run on any platform that supports PERL.  It can be used on itsH own, or you can use it with other applications to convert your documents on the fly.l  B ecsv2pdf is the executable version of csv2pdf. It's been speciallyF compiled for those users who simply can't or don't want to run PERL on@ their systems. It has all the functionality of the original perlG version, and is merely distributed in binary form for your convenience.yF We currently have 6 executable versions: Windows, Linux, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Mac OS X.F If you're interested in a binary for another operating system, such as? FreeBSD please let us know, and we'll send you one. With enough2. requests, we'll also add one here permanently.  > Here are some of the things that you can achieve with csv2pdf:( Automatic grid design around every cell 1 You can select the cell delimiter (default is ;) i6 You can select the cell alignment (lef, right, center)' Obviously you've every txt2pdf feature.    csv2pdf is shareware5 The csv2pdf source code is our company core business.1
 We trust you. # You can test csv2pdf and modify it.0E You can't use a modify version of csv2pdf for production purpose. You5G can't resell csv2pdf or a modify version of it without SANFACE Softwarer authorization.C You can't copy part of it to include in your source without SANFACE  Software authorization.     What's new in this version    First public release   Test csv2pdf 1.0!o6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/csv2pdf.html       -- c8 Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:58:21 +0300c' From: "Gabriel Sterk" <gabi@aipm.co.il>c4 Subject: Re: Recovery problem; seq. number stays put2 Message-ID: <000c01c25982$25a228c0$2c46bf10@manai>  8 Harmer, Graham [mailto:graham.harmer@biam.boi.ie] wrote:  M > planning our upgrade to RDB 7.0-64. This would be a bit of a gotcha for us.w > * > Which build of RDB 7.0-64 are you using? >s >e
 > Regards, > Graham Harmer     < I don't know what is meant by build, but ANALYZE/IMAGE says:  +    image file identification: "RDB V7.0-64"m   Regards,
 Gabriel Sterka  + We had the same problem with RDB 7.0-6 too.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:01:17 +0300s' From: "Gabriel Sterk" <gabi@aipm.co.il>a4 Subject: Re: Recovery problem; seq. number stays put2 Message-ID: <000d01c25982$8e32a720$2c46bf10@manai>  . Sorry for for the above Topic I've just sent.  Should have gone to another NG.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 10:06:01 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)5 Subject: Re: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)y= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0209110906.7aae668f@posting.google.com>n  g "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:<3d7e1d99$1@news.si.com>...sG > >>While I'm on the topic, why isn't there F$PROTECTION to return the ,! > >>protection mask on an object?B > >o0 > >Should be on the VMS wish list for decades... > 0 > What's wrong with F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES' PRO item? > . > $ write sys$output f$file("login.com","pro")' > SYSTEM=RWED, OWNER=RWED, GROUP, WORLDa  D Note also that you can run commands like SET FILE/PROT=WORLD=RRE andF they will work fine. So, if you want to add R to the WORLD field for aB set of files without changing anything else in that field, you canC take the protection string obtained from F$FILE (for each file) andpF simply substitute WORLD= with WORLD=R, and use that in a SET FILE/PROT command for each file.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmann   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 11 Sep 02 08:47:36 GMTd From: jmfbahciv@aol.compJ Subject: Re: Sick of the trolls, whiners, and non-customers in this forum?+ Message-ID: <aln482$81m$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   ? In article <ZPkf9.253705$_91.284500@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>,u5    "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote:w <snip>  8 >I've yet to find anyone who either can or WILL tell me ! >why. And believe me, I've asked!o  9 For the same reason the airlines gouge their best-paying t9 customers; it's SOP.  Look.  The people that were kept on18 when Digital was bought out were the same people who did7 business the way we are not eschewing.  IOW, these are  6 people who do not, and will not, understand that an OS7 that doesn't put up obstacles for the user to hurdle iso9 a vital piece of a complete computer system.  Businesses e; that sell computer systems have yet to understand that they = are selling a tool that delivers computer _service_.  My term 9 for this flavor of thinking is PC-itis and it is rampant.t   /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.o   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 10:49:36 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Spammers pretending to be mailing from Decus systemse3 Message-ID: <CViTwWvLW+gO@eisner.encompasserve.org>W  9 SpamCop caught a piece of spam sent at me allegedly from:    	momhmyto8798@decus.se  7 perhaps figuring I had whitelisted mail from "decus.*".e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:46:34 +0100O' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyt: Subject: Re: Sun is on the way out!  Only HP and IBM left!0 Message-ID: <alnojk$sul$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >=20> >> So for the vast majority of commercial workloads you have a= >> choice of platforms, one has performance numbers that show-< >> that its a performance leader, one has performance claimsD >> made for it but few numbers with the ones available contradictingG >> these claims. The former is SPARC Solaris the latter is Alpha/Tru64.- >=20 >=205 > What benchmarks does not have Alpha/Tru64 numbers ?: >=20  $ It isn't the lack of results its the results themselves.U   Regardso Andrew Harrisonm   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:02:24 +1000 @ From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au> Subject: Sybase and VMSe< Message-ID: <3d7f14dd$0$29908$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>       Hi  + I hear that sybase and VMS isn't supported.o   anyone know if it works?   antony   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:59:49 GMTR- From: "labadie" <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr>> Subject: Re: Sybase and VMS 2 Message-ID: <VeGf9.13$bE5.298024@news.cpqcorp.net>  K "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au> wrote in message06 news:3d7f14dd$0$29908$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... >     Hi >c- > I hear that sybase and VMS isn't supported.g >o > anyone know if it works? >  > antony HelloW  @ Recently I worked with somebody having Alpha Vms 7.3 and Sybase.B It worked fine, except that the quota for the server process where ridiculously too low.3   Regardsp   Grard   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 10:02:47 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)= Subject: Re: Sybase and VMSe3 Message-ID: <S8epWMp560MN@eisner.encompasserve.org>9  b In article <VeGf9.13$bE5.298024@news.cpqcorp.net>, "labadie" <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr> writes: > M > "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au> wrote in messageu8 > news:3d7f14dd$0$29908$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...	 >>     Hic >>. >> I hear that sybase and VMS isn't supported. >> >> anyone know if it works?l >>	 >> antonys > Hellos > B > Recently I worked with somebody having Alpha Vms 7.3 and Sybase.D > It worked fine, except that the quota for the server process where > ridiculously too low.t  H On a dedicated machine they can reasonably fix that with PQL parameters.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:22:22 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)o Subject: Re: Sybase and VMS + Message-ID: <alnqju$dg5$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>t  c In article <S8epWMp560MN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:mc >In article <VeGf9.13$bE5.298024@news.cpqcorp.net>, "labadie" <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr> writes:o >>  N >> "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au> wrote in message9 >> news:3d7f14dd$0$29908$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...n
 >>>     Hi >>>:/ >>> I hear that sybase and VMS isn't supported.w >>>  >>> anyone know if it works? >>>o
 >>> antony >> Hello >>  C >> Recently I worked with somebody having Alpha Vms 7.3 and Sybase. E >> It worked fine, except that the quota for the server process where  >> ridiculously too low. >aI >On a dedicated machine they can reasonably fix that with PQL parameters.e  O As I recall you could specify quotas in a startup file when starting up Sybase.tF Too long since I used Sybase to remember the exact details I'm afraid.  N Also as far as I am aware the version of Sybase you have to use is rather old.2 The latest versions just aren't available for VMS.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:45:14 +02004@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Sybase and VMSS+ Message-ID: <3D7F731A.4060301@mail.tele.dk>c   Antony Wardle wrote:  - > I hear that sybase and VMS isn't supported.8 >  > anyone know if it works?  5 It will obviously continue to work on the VMS versiong it has been working on.   4 It will likely also work on newer VMS version due to' VMS's traditionally good compatibility.e  / But if you call Sybase with a problem, then ...T   And can you live with that ?   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 11:54:12 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)o Subject: Re: Sybase and VMSs3 Message-ID: <8P95GPRR6N$Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>a   In article <3d7f14dd$0$29908$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au> writes:f >     Hi > - > I hear that sybase and VMS isn't supported.  >  > anyone know if it works? >  > antony  B Officially supported?  No.  Works?  Yes, depending on the version  of Sybase involved.  s   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 06:34:32 -0700' From: piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers)s7 Subject: TCPIP NFS server and windows-NT / W2000 client = Message-ID: <be44b12d.0209110534.49cac4f8@posting.google.com>t  B I have a OpenVMS NFS-server (TCPIP version V5.0A - ECO 3) and thisF seems to work, at least I can mount an exported filesystem on an otherB OpenVMS node. But it is not possible, at least until now, to mountE this filesystem on a Windows-NT/W2000 node with NFS-client. Are there:F special settings I have to make to mount this exported filesystem on aF windows client. I keep getting the message "Authentication violation".D As what I can see all the proxies, mappings and exports are correct.   Help....  	 Greetings    Piet Timmers   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:54:18 -0400 ; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>rY Subject: the "let's be friends" loop (was: RE:  Assistance Solicited - Pet	ition for CandhK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA98@rlghncst964.usps.gov>t   ROTFL.    . *That* diagram would be well worth recreating.  8 It brings to mind the famous "problem-solving flowchart"8 which exists in variants which range from "suitable for 5 the church bulletin board" to those which start with   "Did you F with it?".N   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----4 From: "Rob Young" [mailto:young_r@encompasserve.org], Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:13 PM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" : Subject: RE: Assistance Solicited - Petition for Candidacy    : In article <untaum391fh8e6@corp.supernews.com>, "Dale Coy"' <dalecoy@obfuscation.spinn.net> writes:  > 7 > "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messageI( > news:3D7E8C63.7010209@tsoft-inc.com... >>L >> As for me, I'm not that big of a glutton for punishment.  However, I will; >> support VMS bigots, should they wish to buck the system.p >>K >> Dave, who might have a list of directors that are definitely NOT friendsR	 > of VMS, , >> and isn't allowed to share the list.  :-( >> >fF > I try very hard to not be a BIGOT, and to appreciate the benefits ofL > diversity.  On the other hand, I started using VMS in 1982, and still love > using it every day.o  G      I appreciate diversity too.  I access VMS systems from Windoze 98,w,      DecWindows , Windows 95 and Windoze XP.   >e > VMS and I are mutual friends.  >T  D      You woulda thunk after all this time you would have progressed.:      You must be stuck in the "Let's be friends loop." (1)  H (1)  Graph of relationships whiteboarded and then copied to a paper longA      since lost.  Late night study session at Widener University,o       circa 1989.w                       Robo  B Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wonder G Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstreamp> The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder  -                                 -- Neil Youngb   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:22:02 +0100t' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy-" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!/ Message-ID: <alnqm4$kk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>v   Rob Young wrote: > In article <all4o4$37u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes: >  >> >>JF Mezei wrote:o >>G > 	Sun is stuck with hardware (and oh.. transitioning to services, goodt- > 	luck) as their biggest segment.  Not good.t >    Really.m  , Lets see, what makes almost all HP's profit. Printing consumables.s, Hardware where HP do hope to make profits is+ uniformly being squeezed. ~620 Million loss-+ prior to restructuring and Services margins  are being squeezed.   ( Do you want HP to end up being a printer
 company ??  + It would seem that the sole reason for HP'sg* current stock price being as high as it is) is printing consumables. Hardly reasurings' to customers who are dependant on the 2 ( hardware business units. At least the HP( Wintel folks are prepared to make a stab' at dates for returning to profitabilityt* but this isn't the case for the people who+ write OpenVMS and bend the AlphaServer tin.C    ' So why on earth would you have anythingn to crow about ?    regards  Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 12:17:40 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)h" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!3 Message-ID: <jaN7JxAS4vmJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  Y In article <alnq70$bg$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:t > Wow, > 5 > Your explanation for Sun's stock price falling from34 > 20 to 3.5 dollars is that we are being squeezed at > the low end margin wise !O > 9 > Remarkable, no hint that there may be external economic = > factors at work including an overall decline in tech stocksl6 > a global recession, big spending cuts in a number of4 > major market verticals for various reasons and the > September 11 effect. > 7 > Come on Rob, you must be able to do better than this.0 > 5 > The closest analogy to your attempts over the yearsh: > to FUD Sun that I can think of is the Simian, typewriter > Hamlet scenario. > 6 > Except you arn't trying for Hamlet you are hoping to9 > produce something factual and relevant that will damagev > Sun. > 5 > As you see your thesis failed in both respects, but16 > don't let this set back stop you typing. Sun's stock3 > price hasn't fallen because we are being squeezed.7 > margin wise at the low end. Nor is there any evidencep: > that Sun's market share at the low end is being effected	 > either.o >   D 	As usual.  Top posting a nice banter with no supporting evidence or? 	what would be even more helpful - directly quoting me and thena 	replying to that quote.  G 	Supporting evidence is always required of me.  And when provided what 0G 	I would call supporting evidence,  instead of countering it with some  < 	nice facts or editorial opinion outside of yourself, we get6 	Top Posted Spinola.  Typical of our British Champion.   	Spin on Andrew.   				Robd  B Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wonderpG Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstreaml> The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder   /                                  -- Neil Young y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:13:58 +0100h' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy " Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!/ Message-ID: <alnq70$bg$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>e   Wow,  3 Your explanation for Sun's stock price falling fromu2 20 to 3.5 dollars is that we are being squeezed at the low end margin wise !r  7 Remarkable, no hint that there may be external economic ; factors at work including an overall decline in tech stockse4 a global recession, big spending cuts in a number of2 major market verticals for various reasons and the September 11 effect.  5 Come on Rob, you must be able to do better than this.a  3 The closest analogy to your attempts over the yearsu8 to FUD Sun that I can think of is the Simian, typewriter Hamlet scenario.  4 Except you arn't trying for Hamlet you are hoping to7 produce something factual and relevant that will damagei Sun.  3 As you see your thesis failed in both respects, bute4 don't let this set back stop you typing. Sun's stock1 price hasn't fallen because we are being squeezed 5 margin wise at the low end. Nor is there any evidencet8 that Sun's market share at the low end is being effected either.a   Regardsc Andrew Harrison      Rob Young wrote: > In article <all5l8$3jm$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes: >  >> >>Rob Young wrote: >> >>_ >>>In article <3D79289F.FA759F9D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:e >>>- >>>0 >>>>Rob Young wrote: >>>> >>>>Q >>>>>       So what if their market share increased.  Their margins are crashing.g >>>>>  >>>>P >>>>Do you agree that Sun is in a market (real enterprise servers) where marginsM >>>>make it much easier to make a profit compared to the wintel server marketa. >>>>which seems to be the focus for Capellas ? >>>> >>>i >>>i@ >>>	I agree that unix server margins are higher.  I also see box> >>>	counts and Intel servers (4 and 8 way) sell in much higherE >>>	numbers than Sun 4+8 way.  Because Intel margins are thinner and iC >>>	counts are higher, increasing pressure comes to unix servers.  s >>>D >> >>C >>Really then again you would be wrong. The Sun V880 is the largeste >>selling 8 way server.  >> >> >>I >>>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nf/20020903/bs_nf/192647 >>>rQ >>>Technology research firm IDC reported Friday that in a server market dominatedRO >>>by less expensive entry-level servers, Hewlett-Packard's ( NYSE: HPQ - news) L >>>acquisition of Compaq helped the company pull even with IBM ( NYSE: IBM -D >>>news), which dominated the overall server market for many years.  >>>$ >>>=== >>> B >>>	Dominated by less expensive entry level servers.  Servers that< >>>	will continue to have declining margins. 1U and 2U, etc. >>>EI >>>	Sun is in a spot.  As you look at the 5 or so segments that make them D >>>	money, server hardware makes up a disproportinate slice of those@ >>>	segments.  Hence, they are being downgraded across the boardC >>>	by Wall Street analysts.  Gals and guys that make lots of moneytB >>>	and spend lots of time studying the subject.  Collectively areA >>>	the 8+ firms that are Bearish on Sun wrong?  Highly unlikely.  >>>= >> >>> >>The V880 an 8 way server which you apparently think is right< >>in the squeeze zone increased its revenues last quarter by9 >>127%. Odd, given that all the facts dispute your theoryh$ >>why do you continue to espouse it. >>> >>For the last 3 years you have continued to advance basically9 >>the same theory without a shred of supporting evidence.1: >>Namely that low end PC's will squeeze Sun out of the low
 >>end market.t >>< >>Since then Sun's share of the low end market has grown and: >>continues to do so. In the last quarter it was up by 17% >>on the 0-99K segment.l >> >>Time for a new theory ?? >> >  >  > 	Not at all... e >  > 	In August 2001 I wrote: > e > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=EzdFwRUb9XZh%40eisner.encompasserve.org&oe=UTF-8&output=gplaine > F > 	Actually, it is more than that.  IBM's "deep thinkers" have decided? > 	to give Linux a big push.  When servers across the board arelI > 	nasty commodities and Dell keeps ripping share, they (HP, IBM, Compaq,uG > 	bye-bye Sun) all need to focus on different segments... the segments. > 	are:  >  > 		1)  Storaget > 		2)  Software > 		3)  Services > A > 	to complement their declining margins in servers (margins that-9 > 	will follow similar curves that PCs left as examples).m >  > ---@ > D > 	Server margins will follow PC margins and there is ample evidence > 	that is so. > @ > 	In August 2001 Sun was trading near $20 a share.  Since then, > 	it is at $3 and change. > ' > 	Once again, in your attempt to spin:. >  > : >>Namely that low end PC's will squeeze Sun out of the low
 >>end market.- >  > A > 	I haven't promoted that.  I've promoted in general that serveroC > 	margins will slide and it will impact the big players most.  AnddC > 	Sun much more than others as Sun is basically a one-trick pony, V& > 	hardware.  And Wall Street concurs: > O > "As the weak IT spending picture weighs on the sector, Sun is also challengedeP > by several company-specific issues," wrote J.P. Morgan analyst Bill Shope. "WeG > believe that Sun continues to grapple with a core market slowdown andm > increasing competition." > J > In the low-end, Sun is facing a threat from the Microsoft-Linux industryP > standard server vendors, such as Dell, he told clients. The threat is startingP > to creep up into the midrange Unix server market, where pricing competition isQ > fierce. In the high end, Sun faces off with IBM and Hewlett-Packard (HPQ: news,0 > chart, profile). > P > At least eight Wall Street brokerages cut their earnings and revenue estimatesL > for the computer hardware and services company, not only for Sun's current3 > fiscal first quarter but also for 2003 and 2004."o >  > ---o > 	 > 				Rob- > D > Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeE > Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wondergI > Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstreamd@ > The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder > 0 >                                 -- Neil Young    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:21:53 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)sJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on+ Message-ID: <aln5g1$6qv$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>y  n In article <3D7E38FC.8030809@mail.tele.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> writes: >JF Mezei wrote: >r2 >>>I did forget an office package like StarOffice. >D > >e >pI >> I am not sure you'd really need that. Get Wordperfect to make a betterqQ >> commitment to VMS, spruce up VMSmail to handle attachements, fixup CALENDAR toaQ >> have "server like" functions (like checking if you can schedule something with$ >> your boss next week). >. >  >????H > + >AFAIK the last WP version for VMS is 5.1+.r4 >And that type of application was fine 10 years ago. >No longer so. >e  # Well I've go WP 7 on my VMS system.p   HELP WP7   WP70    N       The WP70 command invokes the Corel WordPerfect 7.0 for OpenVMs CharacterM       Terminal word processing program, which includes such features as spellpO       checking, thesaurus, grammar checking, math-text functions, and printing.0O       An instructional manual which fully describes all features available with B       WordPerfect 7.0 may be obtained through your system manager.  
       Format:.  )       $ WP70[/qualifier[...]] [file-spec]r      #   Additional information available:1  "   Logicals   Parameter  QualifiersB   /BATCH     /LANGUAGE  /MACRO     /PTRSETUP  /READ_ONLY /SETTINGS       >w5 >VMS mail - I like VMS mail, but again it is 10 yearsn( >behind. It is not a solution for today. >o  4 Yes we need proper MIME support built into VMS Mail.A It is a real pity that Sun bought Innosoft (and therefore PMDF).    5 >Calendar ? Todays standard is not just "coordinationy7 >between users on one server" but "coordination betweenc >users on multiple servers". >   < HP/COMPAQ should be supporting the Mozilla calendar project.F Currently it can only access remotely stored Calendars for reading butN I understand that after a lot of talking work finally seems to be starting on J a Mozilla Calendar server. Helping out now and influencing its development1 so that it runs well on VMS would be a good move.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >Arne  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:49:28 +0000 (UTC)-+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)rJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on+ Message-ID: <aln73n$7b0$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>0  [ In article <3D7E4FAA.FBE3F32@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  >Arne Vajhj wrote:o >> It is also: >>    - smart GUIt >>    - faster mail storaget >s0 >What is inherently bad about the VMS mail GUI ? >e  E I think the X-windows GUI is ok. It's the lack of other functionalityy that is the problem. r    I >As far as the mail storage, this is a question I have had for some time.-K >Compared to the iPlanet and other mail systems used by very large ISPs for K >processing hundreds of thousands of email messages per day (or whater loadr' >they have) how does VMS mail perform ?4 >0M >Does the VMSmail.mai format work well for high volume settings ? Or does themN >need to periodically reorganise it ( COMPRESS ) make it ill suited for such a >high volume 7/24 application ?  >k  L The VMS mail store is pretty good when compared to the alternative Unix mail box formats.I A mail database structure can have advantages (if implemented correctly).3  L I use PMDF on VMS utilising the VMS Mail store. I could pay some extra moneyN for the IMAP mail store. But I'd lose functionality. Only IMAP and POP clientsI would be able to access it, no web access either builtin or as thirdparty L products on VMS, Inability to use facilities such as DELIVER to handle mail, vacation messages etc.O PMDF has to work around some VMS Mail limitations (such as lack of UID numbers)2O in order to get IMAP working properly. But I find (even with my fairly giganticiK number of mail folders, and gigantic size of such folders - I tend to hoardn+ mail) that performance is still reasonable.h  M These systems are handling around 30000 - 40000 mail messages a day destined m for 25000+ active accounts.-   >-, >> It will probbaly make more sense to write* >> and Exchange compatible server for VMS. >iM >It was called ALL-IN-1/Office Server. Dumped by Capellas and friends on Junet	 >25 2001.i  J Pretty much put on the scrap heap way before then when Digital decided to N replace its working ALL-IN-1 internal mail systems with Exchange (and promptlyJ became almost impossible to contact for something like the next 6 months).  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 08:25:54 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)oJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on3 Message-ID: <uPBIDVkn28Yb@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  [ In article <3D7E4FAA.FBE3F32@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  > 1 > What is inherently bad about the VMS mail GUI ?F >   D    I use it every day.  Never have to worry about someone sending meC    a virus or harvesting email addresses.  But it's a long way fromi%    what the average user expects now:S      1) no address book   C    2) while the mail system recieves mail and manages to notify allhB       of us via a $BRKTHRU, it doesn't notify the GUI, so the GUI A       polls and we have to wait until it's ready to read the maila  #    3) can't detach MIME attachmentse  D    4) no attach button in the GUI to make mail with MIME attachments  E    5) you actually have to select a particular wastebasket before yousC       can empty it (while the wastebaskets are associated with mail.D       files and may be physically located across different volumes, 9       there should be a one button way to empty them all)s  F    6) if you end your session via the session manager, the GUI doesn'tE       empty the wastebasket, and the "deleted" mail all moves to the e       default MAIL foldere  F    I don't think any of the above requires a virus haven like Outlook.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:50:34 +0100 (MET)s9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>hJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on; Message-ID: <01KMDO2ZV4LY9QVJI2@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   ? Note: For a variety of reasons, I always use the character-cell- interface.     >    1) no address book0  H For years, I've used logicals.  I define them in a command file which isF executed in a SPAWNed process which runs mail (I do this for a varietyH of reasons---it has the side effect that it keeps the logicals invisibleH to other processes, good since there might be name conflicts).  I have aH couple of F-keys defined in MAIL$KEYDEF.INI to display the list and editF the file (to execute it and have the changes take place in the current5 mail session, I should use job logicals, I suppose).    G >    5) you actually have to select a particular wastebasket before youfE >       can empty it (while the wastebaskets are associated with mailuF >       files and may be physically located across different volumes, ; >       there should be a one button way to empty them all)l  H Bug or feature?  I often want to purge ONE wastebasket but not all.  Or  am I missing something?r  H >    6) if you end your session via the session manager, the GUI doesn'tG >       empty the wastebasket, and the "deleted" mail all moves to the r >       default MAIL folderh   Sounds like a bug.  I Yes, MIME is needed, but it would be nice to have it integrated into the aC look and feel of VMS mail somehow.  First, of course, the need for r MAIL/OLD should be eradicated.  I It would also be nice to have the selected mail message (that which will  G be displayed when CURRENT is the command) highlighted, and a keystroke mE or two to mark it, delete it etc.  In other words, I want to see the uI list and move the selected message without displaying it, then act on it aE with a minimum of keystrokes.  Users of PINE (and perhaps PMDF) will   know what I mean.  :-(   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 09:58:54 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)lJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on3 Message-ID: <H+pChT9zZDqy@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  p In article <3d7ea48a.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:0 > JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote: >> Arne Vajhj wrote:a6 >> > Even though in 95% of cases a C++ library is very< >> > easy to use in C, then Xerces may belong to the last 5%8 >> > because it is object oriented code not just code in4 >> > an object oriented language (big difference !). >>H >> If you know the memory layout of objects (eg: structure definitions),G >> then it is not that difficult to call it from C. Sometimes, you havei1 >> to do some homework to build those structures.t >>H >> But remember that deep down, a computer running C++ code has the same; >> instruction set as the same computer running C or basic.f > G > But can VMS' Linker cope with C++ code? If so, why is there a CXXLINK G > that comes with the C++ compiler? Is template instatiation really theg > only reason?  H Probably the same reason there is an ACS Link for HP/Compaq/DEC/VMS Ada.F Getting the commands right is beyond the capabilities of mere mortals.G Also, in the Ada case, it might require documenting some DCL interfaces C that are not committed features -- they only have to work with ACS.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:21:19 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>J Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on8 Message-ID: <28kunucjrdkso81osp76r34jgfmo669qid@4ax.com>  / On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:25:00 +0200, Arne Vajhjs" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote:     >i+ >AFAIK the last WP version for VMS is 5.1+.t4 >And that type of application was fine 10 years ago. >No longer so. >t  E Hey, let's bring back DECwrite!  That had drawing, charting, and livel links ages before MS Office.   >a5 >VMS mail - I like VMS mail, but again it is 10 years ( >behind. It is not a solution for today.  ' So use a different client with VMSmail?n   >i5 >Calendar ? Todays standard is not just "coordination 7 >between users on one server" but "coordination betweeni >users on multiple servers". >r  ; Hey, bring back that part of DECplan!  That was a fantastic D client-server project management and calendaring package that was an% extension to the DECwindows calendar.M   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:18:31 +0200s@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>J Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on+ Message-ID: <3D7F6CD7.2080603@mail.tele.dk>y   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  r > In article <3d7ea48a.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:G >>But can VMS' Linker cope with C++ code? If so, why is there a CXXLINK G >>that comes with the C++ compiler? Is template instatiation really the  >>only reason? > J > Probably the same reason there is an ACS Link for HP/Compaq/DEC/VMS Ada.H > Getting the commands right is beyond the capabilities of mere mortals.I > Also, in the Ada case, it might require documenting some DCL interfacesgE > that are not committed features -- they only have to work with ACS.t     No - I do not think so.n  4 And you can easily verify by just try and link a C++ program with standard LINK.   2 If you link with LIBCXXSTD* either explicit or via3 LNK$LIBRARY*, then it works nicely for a lot of C++s	 programs.a  2 Template instatiation is probably the main reason.   Arne        c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:31:00 +0200a@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>J Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on+ Message-ID: <3D7F6FC4.7050804@mail.tele.dk>b   David Webb wrote:n  ] > In article <3D7E4FAA.FBE3F32@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  >>Arne Vajhj wrote: >>>It is also: >>>   - smart GUIs >>>   - faster mail storage5 >>>a1 >>What is inherently bad about the VMS mail GUI ?r     That it is not a GUI.c  G > I think the X-windows GUI is ok. It's the lack of other functionality. > that is the problem. r    > I may be a little bit old-fashioned, but I distinguish between& VMS Mail (VT) and DECWindows Mail (X).  7 I have never used DECWindows Mail, so I can not commentn on its user-friendliness.m  N >>Does the VMSmail.mai format work well for high volume settings ? Or does theO >>need to periodically reorganise it ( COMPRESS ) make it ill suited for such a-  >>high volume 7/24 application ? > N > The VMS mail store is pretty good when compared to the alternative Unix mail > box formats.     True. But still not that good.  K > A mail database structure can have advantages (if implemented correctly).v > N > I use PMDF on VMS utilising the VMS Mail store. I could pay some extra moneyP > for the IMAP mail store. But I'd lose functionality. Only IMAP and POP clientsK > would be able to access it, no web access either builtin or as thirdpartyiN > products on VMS, Inability to use facilities such as DELIVER to handle mail, > vacation messages etc.    3 When I ran PMDF, then it was also against MAIL.MAI.   > But Innosoft was very explicit in saying that they created the' new mail store for better performance !r  , >>>It will probbaly make more sense to write* >>>and Exchange compatible server for VMS. >>>UN >>It was called ALL-IN-1/Office Server. Dumped by Capellas and friends on June
 >>25 2001.  : Excuse me but I thougth that product was just IMAP and POP2 functionality not full Exchange Server compatible.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:35:07 +0200y@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>J Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on+ Message-ID: <3D7F70BB.7010603@mail.tele.dk>f   David Webb wrote:t  p > In article <3D7E38FC.8030809@mail.tele.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> writes:, >>AFAIK the last WP version for VMS is 5.1+.5 >>And that type of application was fine 10 years ago.a >>No longer so.l > % > Well I've go WP 7 on my VMS system.e > 
 > HELP WP7 >  > WP70 >  > P >       The WP70 command invokes the Corel WordPerfect 7.0 for OpenVMs Character) >       Terminal word processing program,s     OK.    They have upgraded.g  ; Is it good ? Or just a 5.1+ that can read/write 7.0 files ?   C > It is a real pity that Sun bought Innosoft (and therefore PMDF). i      Process is selling PMDF for VMS.  3 And SUN has dumped all the mail stuff they got frome2 Innosoft, so probably Process can do whatever they belive they can make money on.   So it should not be a problem.  6 >>Calendar ? Todays standard is not just "coordination8 >>between users on one server" but "coordination between >>users on multiple servers".h > > > HP/COMPAQ should be supporting the Mozilla calendar project.H > Currently it can only access remotely stored Calendars for reading butP > I understand that after a lot of talking work finally seems to be starting on L > a Mozilla Calendar server. Helping out now and influencing its development3 > so that it runs well on VMS would be a good move.g  & Sounds as a very interesting project !   Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:33:43 +0000 (UTC)i+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)lJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on+ Message-ID: <alnupn$ern$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>f  n In article <3D7F6FC4.7050804@mail.tele.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> writes: >David Webb wrote: >e^ >> In article <3D7E4FAA.FBE3F32@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >>>Arne Vajhj wrote:d >>>>It is also:  >>>>   - smart GUI >>>>   - faster mail storage >>>>2 >>>What is inherently bad about the VMS mail GUI ? >i >a >That it is not a GUI. >eH >> I think the X-windows GUI is ok. It's the lack of other functionality >> that is the problem.  >  >S? >I may be a little bit old-fashioned, but I distinguish betweenl' >VMS Mail (VT) and DECWindows Mail (X).t >   L Agreed they are two separate mail clients. However if someone says "VMS MailN GUI" I tend to think of Decwindows mail since that is the only one with a GUI.    8 >I have never used DECWindows Mail, so I can not comment >on its user-friendliness. >:    J I haven't really used it very much. Having PMDF Mail which allows me to do; attachments I tend to use that rather than DecWindows Mail.     O >>>Does the VMSmail.mai format work well for high volume settings ? Or does theyP >>>need to periodically reorganise it ( COMPRESS ) make it ill suited for such a! >>>high volume 7/24 application ?e >> aO >> The VMS mail store is pretty good when compared to the alternative Unix mailc >> box formats.m >e >h >True. But still not that good.t > L >> A mail database structure can have advantages (if implemented correctly). >>  O >> I use PMDF on VMS utilising the VMS Mail store. I could pay some extra moneyoQ >> for the IMAP mail store. But I'd lose functionality. Only IMAP and POP clientshL >> would be able to access it, no web access either builtin or as thirdpartyO >> products on VMS, Inability to use facilities such as DELIVER to handle mail,l >> vacation messages etc.C >p >.4 >When I ran PMDF, then it was also against MAIL.MAI. >e? >But Innosoft was very explicit in saying that they created thes( >new mail store for better performance ! >e  I But primarily better IMAP and POP performance. POP doesn't require access K to anything but the user's inbox and just needs you to grab everything and  J download it to the POP client (or if you specify keep on server to rapidlyM skip past everything you have already downloaded and then download the rest). H IMAP requires UID support which had to be added in via extra files when  using the VMS mail store.r  K I've never used either the IMAP mail store or it's predecessor the POP MailaH store hence I have no experience to really compare them. Since they wereL designing it explicitly rather than having to rely on the VMS Mail store andA it's various foibles I'd expect it would probably perform better.eN It also gave Innosoft the opportunity to correct deficiencies such as the lack of inbuilt uid support.   9 My experience is that the VMS mail store is fairly good.  L The biggest problem was the large directory size problem in earlier versionsF of VMS. This is much less of a problem on more modern versions of VMS.D However I'd certainly like to see improvements to the VMS mail store eg   UID support G Creating folders in sub-directories rather than putting them all in onep
 directory.          - >>>>It will probbaly make more sense to write + >>>>and Exchange compatible server for VMS.e >>>>O >>>It was called ALL-IN-1/Office Server. Dumped by Capellas and friends on Junec >>>25 2001.i > ; >Excuse me but I thougth that product was just IMAP and POP.3 >functionality not full Exchange Server compatible.w >s  G I believe ALL-IN-ONE/Office server has some builtin MAPI functionality. L Whether that makes it a completely Exchange compatible (whatever that means)
 I don't know.r  M I seem to recall there was also a downloadable product which allowed VMS MailrJ to talk MAPI to Exchange. (It was meant to be used as people migrated fromH VMS mail to Exchange but could also be used in the intervening period to6 allow outlook to talk to the VMS mail store directly).  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >Arne> >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:11:35 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> K Subject: RE: Which features/capabilities would you like to see available ons9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEGPFLAA.tom@kednos.com>u  C In response to the question of the subject line, which I have takenl* the liberty of correcting grammatically,    B I would like, inter alia, to be able to download software and typeI MAKE INSTALL and have it work.  I think VMS then could be called OpenVMS.    >-----Original Message-----eA >From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com]e, >Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:51 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComH >Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available >on  >v >m@ >Note: For a variety of reasons, I always use the character-cell >interface.  >e >>    1) no address book >>I >For years, I've used logicals.  I define them in a command file which issG >executed in a SPAWNed process which runs mail (I do this for a varietyeI >of reasons---it has the side effect that it keeps the logicals invisible I >to other processes, good since there might be name conflicts).  I have ayI >couple of F-keys defined in MAIL$KEYDEF.INI to display the list and edituG >the file (to execute it and have the changes take place in the currentn6 >mail session, I should use job logicals, I suppose).  > H >>    5) you actually have to select a particular wastebasket before youF >>       can empty it (while the wastebaskets are associated with mailG >>       files and may be physically located across different volumes,  < >>       there should be a one button way to empty them all) >aI >Bug or feature?  I often want to purge ONE wastebasket but not all.  Or C >am I missing something? >eI >>    6) if you end your session via the session manager, the GUI doesn'tsH >>       empty the wastebasket, and the "deleted" mail all moves to the  >>       default MAIL folder >e >Sounds like a bug.  > J >Yes, MIME is needed, but it would be nice to have it integrated into the D >look and feel of VMS mail somehow.  First, of course, the need for  >MAIL/OLD should be eradicated.a >,J >It would also be nice to have the selected mail message (that which will H >be displayed when CURRENT is the command) highlighted, and a keystroke F >or two to mark it, delete it etc.  In other words, I want to see the J >list and move the selected message without displaying it, then act on it F >with a minimum of keystrokes.  Users of PINE (and perhaps PMDF) will  >know what I mean.  :-(v >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.h; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). @ >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 >  ---I& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2002 08:32:28 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)h$ Subject: Re: Xwindows help for DCL ?3 Message-ID: <2Wa4KzSor6CG@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  \ In article <3D7E6939.B7469868@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:P > Is there a way to use the GUI help facility of Xwindows to access the standard >  VMS DCL help ?l  B    The help menu in my session manager has a custom button I addedH    for VMS help.  You could put it anywhere you wanted it in the session     manager or file viewer menus.  H    The important steps are to use the DCL extensions vue$inquire_symbol,C    vue$read and vue$popup_help that file viewer adds to DCL.  These F    are documented in the VMS specific X windows manuals available both#    in hard copy and online formats.h  :    See the FAQ for where to find documentation on the web.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.502 ************************ revenue estimatesL > for the computer hardware and services company, not only for Sun's current3 > fi                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                