1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 13 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 506       Contents: Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: 7.3-1 craziness  Re: 7.3-1 craziness  <None>+ Re: ??== System 7.3, ODS-5, Java, Rdb, etc. 	 Re: AD/BC * Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein* Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein* Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein* Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein* Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein* Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein) Re: AlphaServer 1200 VMS Disk recognition + Re: AM/PM, BC/AC and different calendars... 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium  Re: Backup /ALIAS  suggestion   Re: Checking $STATUS for success Checking $STATUS for success  Re: Checking $STATUS for success  Re: Checking $STATUS for success  Re: Checking $STATUS for success  Re: Checking $STATUS for success  Re: Checking $STATUS for success  Re: Checking $STATUS for success  Re: Checking $STATUS for success Re: Convert Blocks to MB Re: FMS on Alpha Gtk 1.2.8 on openvms 7.3 Hammer slips, Re: Help:  Error Linking Samba 2.2.4 for VMS Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT@ Re: lexicals (was: RE: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)"@ Re: lexicals (was: RE: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)"P Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS     just yaP Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS   just yawn  Re: Looking for a VMS favour.... Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: ORD 
 Permedia 2  PIPE and the Redirect Characters$ Re: PIPE and the Redirect Characters# Press Release from Digital Networks ' RE: Press Release from Digital Networks ' Re: Press Release from Digital Networks  Re: Sybase and VMS Re: Sybase and VMS Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  TPU Error using VMS from Linux" Re: TPU Error using VMS from Linux" Re: TPU Error using VMS from Linux" Re: TPU Error using VMS from Linux Re: UN Re: Volume Name A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on A Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on L Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on   OpenVMS?L Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on   OpenVMS?$ Re: [Fwd: Mozilla under  eXcursions]  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:02:43 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: "inview" Article 0 Message-ID: <alsgnh$hf9$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >=206 >> Apache is free its a well thought of Web server and4 >> if you have a box running Solaris you even get it >> supported and free from Sun.  >=20 >=20 > Ah - this is expert FUD !  >=20. > Because it is factual true - I have no doubt' > that SUN supplies Apache for Solaris.  >=200 > But at the same time you manage to give people1 > the impression that other vendors do not. Which 1 > you ofcourse know are not true. Probably almost 3 > every OS vendor except Microsoft supports Apache.  >=20   No that isn't true sorry.   + Sun supplies Apache with Solaris and if you + have a problem Sun supports it exactly like - any other component of Solaris. No additional & support contracts nothing to purchase.  @ IBM supports WebSphere server, its based on Apache but according2 to the folks who have used it in the bank I advise7 it has diverged from Apache and they no longer consider  it to be Apache.   So thats one who doesn't.   : This is one reason why things like RedHat StrongHold exist% to get commercially supported Apache.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:12:36 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: "inview" Article 0 Message-ID: <alsha2$hkb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Webb wrote:  > In article <alns35$121$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes: >  >> >>David Webb wrote:  >> >>>In article <al7tk6$p8u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes:  >>>  >>>  >>>>JF Mezei wrote:  >>>> >>>> >>>>- >>>>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  >>>>>  >>>> >>>> >>>>SIMS was Sun's IMAP server.  >>>> >>> 4 >>>SIMS was as you well know not SUN's IMAP server. D >>>SIMS was an OEMd version of the PMDF MTA with various Sun addons.I >>>You'll find our previous discussions on this topic archived on google.  >>>  >>= >>This statement is rather like saying that the Ford explorer ; >>isn't really a Ford, instead its a Goodyear because thats $ >>what connects the car to the road. >>= >>A mail server contains a number of components, MTA, Message 8 >>store etc. PMDF was part of SIMS but SIMS wasn't PMDF. >>	 >>Regards  >>Andrew Harrison  >> >  > ? > If you KNOW THAT then WHY THE HELL did you say that SIMS was   > SUN's IMAP SERVER !!!! >  >   / Akkk do you have a major comprehension problem.   - SIMS stands for Solaris Internet Mail Server.  Part of SIMS is an IMAP server.   , Which bit confusted you and which bit didn't you understand.    Your response proves my point.  ) Go back to the Ford example. The Explorer , is a package that includes body, drive train wheels tires etc.   . If we were to follow your point through to its) logical conclusion we should refer to the + Ford Explorer as the Goodyear X1234 or what ( ever the tyre on the thing is every time% we are talking about its road holding  or not capabilities.  1 Should we refer to AlphaServers as Micron Servers / or whoever it is who supplies the DRAM. Or call 3 them Sun Servers every time you use NFS on Tru64 or * OpenVMS or Java servers evverytime you use a JVM, don't make me laugh.    Regards  Andrew HArrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:45:13 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: "inview" Article 0 Message-ID: <alsj77$i7k$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > Bob Koehler wrote: >=20J >> In article <al5b4m$t3g$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK= =20 D >> Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes: >>6 >>> Some apps servers require this, you don't have any> >>> crypto plugin support or any HSM support so you are out ofA >>> the picture in any B2B infrastructures you don't have support = >>> for a number of the popular load balancing products. This ? >>> is just what you need for web serving. Where is FireWall-1, < >>> Tripwire. What caching proxy server capabilities can you7 >>> provide, does OpenVMS support any kind of directory ; >>> caching. What about Portal support, BEA Portal Server ?  >> >>E >>    Nope.  Don't need them, so I don't care aboutt not having them. D >>    Many of these "apps" make up for poor underlying strucure, andD >>    none of them are needed for the typicalyy web servers we have. >>5 >>> I just did, when did you last look at what a real ) >>> ebusiness infrastructure looks like ?  >> >>> >>    Somehow I think you define that as "start with a Sun..." >=20 >=20  % Appart from missing out the firewalls ' and optional firewalls its a reasonable  stab.    >    |	 > (HTTPS)  >    | > [web server] >    | > (AJP)  >    | > [JSP/servlet container]  > [EJB container]  >    | > (properitary)  >    | > [EIS system] >=20 > Is the way it is done today. >=20 > And that is not just SUN.  >=207 > BTW, it is not in the web server layer the money are.  >=20  2 Quite, thats more in the apps and state layers but/ must customers prefer lack of complexity to the 5 alternative and so they are often happier with common  vendors for all the layers.   2 I have seen HP eliminated from a 3 way competition3 between Sun, HP and IBM because they didn't support 3 all three layers web/apps/dbms on HP-UX and instead * were bidding NT for precisely that reason.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:28:01 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> Subject: Re: "inview" Article + Message-ID: <3D822021.4070907@mail.tele.dk>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > Arne Vajhj wrote:1 >> But at the same time you manage to give people 2 >> the impression that other vendors do not. Which2 >> you ofcourse know are not true. Probably almost4 >> every OS vendor except Microsoft supports Apache.    B > IBM supports WebSphere server, its based on Apache but according4 > to the folks who have used it in the bank I advise9 > it has diverged from Apache and they no longer consider  > it to be Apache. >  > So thats one who doesn't.   : IBM HTTP Server which is part of the WebSphere Application5 Server product (I think IBM would not like the phrase 2 "WebSphere server, its based on Apache") is Apache> and IBM has just added some extra functionality. At least that is how I read the docs:    ==== start quote ==== F IBM HTTP Server powered by Apache is a Web server based on the Apache D Web server developed by the Apache Group (www.apache.org). IBM HTTP F Server includes some functions not available in the Apache Web server 6 developed by the Apache Group. IBM HTTP Server offers:  # Support for SSL secure connections. ; Fast Response Cache Accelerator (Windows NT and AIX only) - I IBM has extended Apache to work with IBM Fast Response Cache Accelerator  I (Cache Accelerator). The Cache Accelerator is an in-kernel mini HTTP GET  D engine and HTTP content cache that enables serving static web pages > significantly faster than Apache web server without the Cache E Accelerator. By default, the Cache Accelerator is enabled. The Cache  B Accelerator can be completely disabled through configuration file  directives. F WebDAV to collaboratively edit and manage files on remote Web servers.0 Ability to produce dynamic content with FastCGI. ==== end quote ====    I will still call it Apache.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:36:38 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> Subject: Re: "inview" Article + Message-ID: <3D822226.3010404@mail.tele.dk>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > Arne Vajhj wrote: >>    | 
 >> (HTTPS) >>    |  >> [web server]  >>    |  >> (AJP) >>    |  >> [JSP/servlet container] >> [EJB container] >>    |  >> (properitary) >>    |  >> [EIS system]  >> >> Is the way it is done today.  >> >> And that is not just SUN.    ' > Appart from missing out the firewalls ) > and optional firewalls its a reasonable  > stab.     4 They were omitted on purpose because I consider them$ network infra-structure not servers.     8 >> BTW, it is not in the web server layer the money are. > 4 > Quite, thats more in the apps and state layers but1 > must customers prefer lack of complexity to the 7 > alternative and so they are often happier with common  > vendors for all the layers.  > 4 > I have seen HP eliminated from a 3 way competition5 > between Sun, HP and IBM because they didn't support 5 > all three layers web/apps/dbms on HP-UX and instead , > were bidding NT for precisely that reason.  % That may be the case for some buyers.   3 But it is my impression that the majority of buyers 5 today want the cheapest solutions (Windows and Linux) 4 especially for the web server layer but also to some9 extent for the app server layer and reserve the expensive 7 highend boxes (Solaris/VMS/Tru64/HP-UX/AIX/MVS) for the   databases and other EIS systems.   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2002 05:56:14 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)  Subject: Re: 7.3-1 craziness5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-6Y4UIcd1C81u@localhost>   C On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:14:29 UTC, lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A.  
 Lewis) wrote:    > "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> writes in article <Fp3g9.8601$2E6.4269450@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com> dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:37:57 GMT: 4 > >HINT: Check out the sysgen parameter DCL_CTLFLAGS > > K > >And I strongly recommend reading Release Notes, New Features and Install ' > >guides, before upgrading OpenVMS. ;)  > N > That's 3 books.  Do you know how long it's been since this ADD sufferer read> > 3 books?!  Thanks for the pointers to all those who helped.  > N > Perhaps my ADD is catching, because 100% of the responses from this forum soN > far have addressed only the first of the four issues I raised in my originalK > article.  I'm still in the dark about the PTHREAD thing, the REPLY thing, F > and whether people think its a good idea to ship object libraries in > software distributions.    Hi KeithF                 I've always delivered the .OLB and LINK command file. F I don't think any of our customers have needed to do it because  they F are usually on a a version VMS that I have qualified the products on. E However, I did need to it myself once at a customer sight many years  F ago when they wanted to use a newer VMS version than I had access to. 4 Probably early 5.n.n's, due to a FORRTL change IIRC.    Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:15:24 GMT & From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com> Subject: Re: 7.3-1 craziness& Message-ID: <3D81D526.EA5B6EF3@hp.com>   konabear wrote:  > L > The "power" drain of the old behavior is limited to the time of the spawn.E > So take the number of times you spawn a day that there is already a M > subprocess, and those are the very descrete times you'll see an improvement  > from the new behavior.  M The big win will be for programs and scripts ported from UNIX, which tend to  I assume cheap subprocess creation, and can continually spawn subprocesses   like mad - by design.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 12:21:06 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: <None> 3 Message-ID: <uv2tAZjSy$d9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3D813CF8.C64FC6FE@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Bob Koehler wrote: >>  p >> In article <b096a4ee.0209111858.fe0dabc@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: >>  0 >> > That's why they have pilots and navigators. >>  K >>    You miss the Reagan era?  Navigators haven't been flying for decades.  > J > I thought he fired the ATC's... (Alzheimers had already set in then, butI > no one noticed.) Nothing like endangering the flying public just to get  > your point across...  F    And he stopped the FAA modernization.  He did so much damage to theE    aviation infrastructure that namig an airport for him is downright     sick.  >    We couldn't they give him credit in a manner related to his<    accomplishments instead of his damages?  Isn't there someD    landmark they could name after him that has to do with ending the    cold war?   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2002 07:04:08 GMT/ From: Hans Bachner <Hans.Bachner@altavista.net> 4 Subject: Re: ??== System 7.3, ODS-5, Java, Rdb, etc.* Message-ID: <Xns92885C0DF1B0Fhbc@10.0.0.3>  2 Aus, Hans Magnus (aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de) wrote:   <snip>  * > Should I install Java on the ODS-5 also? <snip>  J On a different system (used to develop a Java/JSP-based web client for an I existing application) we have the Java SDK installed on the ODS-2 system  F disk (default installation) and only Apache/Tomcat and client related 4 directories on an ODS-5 disk. This setup works fine.   Hope this helps, --  5 -------------- speaking only for myself ------------- 5 Hans Bachner              E-Mail: Hans.Bachner@hp.com & HP Services / Consulting & Integration5 Compaq Computer Austria -  a subsidiary of the new HP    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 10:19:03 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: AD/BC3 Message-ID: <JMlZsNpruscL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3D80E525.11B3EE5E@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:: >> So the whole A.D./B.C. system falls apart using literal >> interpretations.  > P > Actually, the A.D/B.C. calendar is perhaps unconstitutional since it assumes a\ > particular religion and does not respect the religions of citizens who are not christians.  A    Unlike President Bush's memo asking us all to reflect upon the B    contributions of Jewish Americans last Yom Kippur and promotingC    interfaith tolerance and then signed on "... of the year of our      Lord 2002"?   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 04:29:36 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>3 Subject: Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein @ Message-ID: <20020913112936.20132.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>  
 Nautical ????   - Regatta.... no, no it is being used by IBM !    / Oh, I can imagine now:  Enterprise ! No, no, so  Trekker.   Hmmm...      Kursk ?    Depends on the portability ....      Regards    FC  6 --- "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote: > 5 > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in 	 > message  > : news:20020912190421.69909.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com...5 > > Anynone know a date when the first Itanium server 0 > > will be available to run HP-UX and OpenVMS ? > 2 > Unless VMS is ported to Superdome II, it'll be a > post-Superdome, post-Marvek  > box. > - > > What will be the name of this beast ? :-)  > > GlobalDome ? > 4 > Nope. Something with a nautical motif. And no, not > "Three Sheets to the > Wind." >  >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines  http://news.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 04:31:27 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>3 Subject: Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein @ Message-ID: <20020913113127.16210.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>  
 What about...    Santa Maria, Pinta and Nina ?    Regards    FC      2 --- JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > somebody wrote: 4 > > > Nope. Something with a nautical motif. And no, > not "Three Sheets to the > > > Wind." > 6 > When I was in New Zealand back in 1992 and 1993, the > HP building near the6 > shores had the winning America's cub boat. I suspect > they were a big sponsor 6 > of the NZ team and got their boat after the race.  I > can't remember its name 6 > though. (I'd have to go though my slides to get it).     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines  http://news.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:04:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 3 Subject: Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein , Message-ID: <3D81D443.5369ECC5@videotron.ca>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > What about...  >  > Santa Maria, Pinta and Nina ?   M Well, since IA64 is expected to sink, then Titanic would definitively be tyhe : perfect name for a Wildfire class system based on Itanium.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:09:41 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 3 Subject: Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein 2 Message-ID: <Fkmg9.17$9A7.404615@news.cpqcorp.net>  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3D81D443.5369ECC5@videotron.ca>...  >Fabio Cardoso wrote:  >> >> What about... >>  >> Santa Maria, Pinta and Nina ? > I >Well, since IA64 is expected to sink, then Titanic would definitively be  tyhe; >perfect name for a Wildfire class system based on Itanium.   J I don't expect it to sink.  See the recent NEC (a 32-way box scoring #5 onL non clustered TPC) and SGI announcements, coupled with the internal HP plans that I know of...    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:34:44 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> 3 Subject: Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein > Message-ID: <8Img9.253979$kp.879230@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3D81528B.B6F0A55@videotron.ca...  > somebody wrote: I > > > Nope. Something with a nautical motif. And no, not "Three Sheets to  the  > > > Wind." > K > When I was in New Zealand back in 1992 and 1993, the HP building near the F > shores had the winning America's cub boat. I suspect they were a big sponsor I > of the NZ team and got their boat after the race.  I can't remember its  name6 > though. (I'd have to go though my slides to get it).  D Well, as of a month ago, HP's WINDJAMMER was still there in Auckland Harbour.   WINDJAMMER? Oops...    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:36:31 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> 3 Subject: Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein > Message-ID: <PJmg9.254011$kp.879286@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message : news:20020913112936.20132.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com... > Nautical ????  > . > Regatta.... no, no it is being used by IBM ! > 1 > Oh, I can imagine now:  Enterprise ! No, no, so 
 > Trekker. > 	 > Hmmm...  >  > 	 > Kursk ?   G Well, there's Thesher, Scorpion, Indianapolis, Yorktown and a few other 3 names of US vessels that didn't fare all that well.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 08:35:33 -0700" From: zonle1@hotmail.com (Brandon)2 Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1200 VMS Disk recognition= Message-ID: <c37e04b6.0209130735.75d2403f@posting.google.com>   @ GOT IT!  I used the program again (ra200rcu.exe) and there is anC option to auto-configure the disks.  I did that, re-initialized the E drives, and BHAM!  I can now use all 17 millon blocks.  Thank you all  again for your help. Cheers,  Brandon Long    g zonle1@hotmail.com (Brandon) wrote in message news:<c37e04b6.0209120816.6341c87c@posting.google.com>... H > I used a utility called "ra200rcu.exe" that allowed me to see that theH > controller is a Mylex DAC960.  I view the documentation online, and itE > did not say much about changing the RAID set.  Is there a way to do  > that? C > Does anyone know if it has anything to do with "Maximum blocks in ? > extent cache"?  Here is what I get when I show dev/full dra4:    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 10:29:51 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: AM/PM, BC/AC and different calendars...3 Message-ID: <5XtvHLFHaqE9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3D80E368.460011D@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:< > Speaking about time/dates, AM/PM, BC/AC and such things... > 8 > Note that the Islamic calendar is 11 days shorter then7 > the western version, so why are people afraid of that = > something should happen on the 11-sep-2002 (western time) ? 3 > It should have been the 31-Aug, which was exactly 8 > one year (according to the islamic calendar) after the > 11-sep-2001.  C    Because so many westerners have no idea what Islam is all about. B    Massive complaints would have been registered if the governmentF    had been seen so be doing nothing, never mind it was the wrong day.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:24:59 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman): Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium2 Message-ID: <LGlg9.13$Jx7.354455@news.cpqcorp.net>  : As others have noted, the Howard Johnson motel is no more.  3 There is a Holiday Inn and a Motel 6 near where the ' HJ was, but on the other side of Rt. 3.   7 I would say the Red Roof Inn is within walking distance 6 of the Tara, but I like to walk.  The others are a bit7 further away.  There is a local bus service on weekdays 6 that would let you get from one to the other, but it's- really not the most convenient way to travel.   + There are several other hotels in the area.    --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:59:58 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium* Message-ID: <alsngi$h51$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  > I just wanted to answer some of the questions that are posted.  ' Q: - Presentations on a public web site H A: - As you look carefully at the web site you will notice that a signedL non-disclosure is required, so that means that the information is not publicA and can not be posted on a open web site.  That said if there are 8 presentations with public information we will post them.   Q:  Comments about the hotelE A:  We are trying to get everyone to stay at the Sheraton for several K reasons,  1. Once the agenda is more complete you will be noticing that the I schedule will be brutal, it will be much easier for you to be in the same D hotel. 2. If we use enough hotel rooms we do not need to pay for theF conference rooms which is a good thing considering how many we will be using.  + Q:  Have the Tech Symposium in Europe or AP 8 A:  I can not answer any better than Fred Kleinsorge did   Q:  Is this the same as ETS 6 A:  I can not answer any better than Terry Shannon did  1 If there are any more questions just let me know.   
 Warm Regards,  Sue         @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:alqe7e$kta$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > OpenVMS Into the Future  > K > Hewlett Packard's OpenVMS Engineering organization is pleased to announce K > the first annual OpenVMS Symposium. The OpenVMS Symposium will take place I > November 19-21 2002 at the Sheraton Tara Hotel in Nashua, NH, USA. This J > Symposium is designed for the intermediate - advanced level technologist? > wishing to increase their knowledge of OpenVMS and associated 
 technologies.  >  > ) > Please visit the Symposium web site at: * > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/symposium/ > H > The OpenVMS Symposium web site will be changing on a regular basis, so > please make sure to stop by. > 6 > We look forward to your participation at this event. >  > Warm Regards,  >  > Sue  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:26:41 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium' Message-ID: <3D81E791.2F328083@aaa.com>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > < > If we use enough hotel rooms we do not need to pay for theH > conference rooms which is a good thing considering how many we will be > using.  D So, if enough *customers* pay for there hotel rooms, *HP* don't have> to pay for the conference rooms, is that what you are saying ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:07:24 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium2 Message-ID: <wimg9.16$Zz7.398350@news.cpqcorp.net>  B Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote in message <3D81E791.2F328083@aaa.com>... >Sue Skonetski wrote:  >>= >> If we use enough hotel rooms we do not need to pay for the I >> conference rooms which is a good thing considering how many we will be 	 >> using.  > E >So, if enough *customers* pay for there hotel rooms, *HP* don't have ? >to pay for the conference rooms, is that what you are saying ?  >  >   F And your point is?  Yup.  Standard stuff.  If enough people are at theJ hotel, and at the conference, the cheaper it is overall to put on.  SoundsL like standard conference stuff.  But don't ignore the other point, it's alsoD a heck of a lot more convenient for everyone given the schedule, and" probably if you want to socialize.  K The Nashua area is littered with hotels however, many within a 10-15 minute % ride from parking lot to parking lot.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:04:38 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium; Message-ID: <Wfmg9.29332$R7.507928@twister.tampabay.rr.com>    Let the whining begin!  I Boy,  even JF had something nice to say about this.  And you are going to ) complain about a couple of bucks a night?   H I don't know the exact dollars involved, but in general, it is much moreK economical to book the extra rooms than to pay for conference rooms.  As an L example,  if you book 100 extra rooms at an extra $10 per night it costs youE an $1000.  If you don't book those extra rooms, it might cost tens of H thousands of dollars to pay for the conference rooms.  Besides, the moreI important issue is, as Sue said; the schedule will be brutal.  That means L they will be giving you a lot of information.  The more convenient it is forL you to be there to absorb that information, the more you will be getting for your registration dollar.   L As my daddy would have said,  I bet you would complain if they hung you withB a NEW rope!  My biggest complaint is that it was announced AFTER IF registered for HPETS, but that is because I think this is such a great thing.  H Thanks Sue. I hope this is a great success, and that it gets better each year.   3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3D81E791.2F328083@aaa.com...  > Sue Skonetski wrote: > > > > > If we use enough hotel rooms we do not need to pay for theJ > > conference rooms which is a good thing considering how many we will be
 > > using. > F > So, if enough *customers* pay for there hotel rooms, *HP* don't have@ > to pay for the conference rooms, is that what you are saying ? >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:20:45 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium' Message-ID: <3D81F43D.E6647296@aaa.com>   + Well now, I forgot the ":-)" in my post ...   6 Don't make *this* to a world event. We have had enough& of them the last couple of days, not ?  8 Of course I find this VMS event something great, and I'd wished I'd be able to go.   : I'd do anything to promote VMS, don't get me wrong there !  . Best Regards and a happy weekend to everyone !  3 (And Sue, if you in any way felt my post offensive, 4 I'm realy sorry, that was defenitly not my meaning !   Jan-Erik SderholmG (Me?, worse then JF?, oh my, that's 10 extra Ave Maria tonight... :-) )      "John N." wrote: >  > Let the whining begin! > K > Boy,  even JF had something nice to say about this.  And you are going to + > complain about a couple of bucks a night?  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:36:07 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium; Message-ID: <rJmg9.30028$R7.510858@twister.tampabay.rr.com>   G Sorry if I over-reacted to your post.  There is just so much negativism K sometimes that it gets frustrating.  It really looks like HP is going to be L the best thing that happened to VMS in a long time.   Of course, that is notH saying much in itself, but it is encouraging.  And I think more positiveB feedback from VMS users will make HP look even more kindly on VMS.  > And I wasn't critizising JF either.  At least, not on purpose.  
 Long live VMSd  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messagen! news:3D81F43D.E6647296@aaa.com...n- > Well now, I forgot the ":-)" in my post ...  >n8 > Don't make *this* to a world event. We have had enough( > of them the last couple of days, not ? >l: > Of course I find this VMS event something great, and I'd > wished I'd be able to go.P >B< > I'd do anything to promote VMS, don't get me wrong there ! > 0 > Best Regards and a happy weekend to everyone ! >p5 > (And Sue, if you in any way felt my post offensive,M6 > I'm realy sorry, that was defenitly not my meaning ! >s > Jan-Erik SderholmI > (Me?, worse then JF?, oh my, that's 10 extra Ave Maria tonight... :-) )  >p >u > "John N." wrote: > >r > > Let the whining begin! > > J > > Boy,  even JF had something nice to say about this.  And you are going to- > > complain about a couple of bucks a night?n > >p >M   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 09:45:46 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <wiK53o4$cLD2@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  c In article <3D81E791.2F328083@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:c > Sue Skonetski wrote: >> c= >> If we use enough hotel rooms we do not need to pay for therI >> conference rooms which is a good thing considering how many we will bes	 >> using.i > F > So, if enough *customers* pay for there hotel rooms, *HP* don't have@ > to pay for the conference rooms, is that what you are saying ? >   > 	No, attendees.  And yes, customers will be part of that.  But@ 	maybe Andrew Harrison will show up (for the Special last minuteE 	late night session created just for him) and he will be welcome and E 	certainly isn't a customer.  @ 	Now I think I know where you are heading with this.  It will beD 	clear that HP is spending a nice chunk of change in all this, afterC 	all, at $6.50 per hour for each OpenVMS engineer at the conferencerG 	that isn't writing code you can tell how the expense will quickly add s 	up!  F 	In case you can't tell, there are dollops of sarcasm sprinkled above.   				Robe   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:22:39 -0400y From: norm.raphael@metso.com: Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium? Message-ID: <OF627FA79B.991E5486-ON85256C33.005478B6@metso.com>x  B Dollops?  Sprinkled?  More like Oceans. Inundating.  I (heart) it.        ? young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) on 09/13/2002 11:45:46 AMk  7 Please respond to young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)d   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:h= Subject:    Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposiume    0 In article <3D81E791.2F328083@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik2 =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: > Sue Skonetski wrote: >>= >> If we use enough hotel rooms we do not need to pay for theoI >> conference rooms which is a good thing considering how many we will be 	 >> using.e >aF > So, if enough *customers* pay for there hotel rooms, *HP* don't have@ > to pay for the conference rooms, is that what you are saying ? >F  J              No, attendees.  And yes, customers will be part of that.  ButE              maybe Andrew Harrison will show up (for the Special lastr minuteD              late night session created just for him) and he will be welcome and$(              certainly isn't a customer.  I              Now I think I know where you are heading with this.  It wille beJ              clear that HP is spending a nice chunk of change in all this, aftereD              all, at $6.50 per hour for each OpenVMS engineer at the
 conferenceF              that isn't writing code you can tell how the expense will quickly addS              up!  K              In case you can't tell, there are dollops of sarcasm sprinkledd above.  4                                                  Rob   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:32:30 -0400a% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>a: Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium/ Message-ID: <uo418gfcdfp2ca@news.supernews.com>o  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3D81E791.2F328083@aaa.com...b > Sue Skonetski wrote: > > > > > If we use enough hotel rooms we do not need to pay for theJ > > conference rooms which is a good thing considering how many we will be
 > > using. > F > So, if enough *customers* pay for there hotel rooms, *HP* don't have@ > to pay for the conference rooms, is that what you are saying ? >-  J If enough customers pay for their hotel rooms, it's more likely that we'll have this again next year.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 11:32:59 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)c: Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <WzmwHxtfo8if@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  b In article <alsngi$h51$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:@ > I just wanted to answer some of the questions that are posted. > ) > Q: - Presentations on a public web siteiJ > A: - As you look carefully at the web site you will notice that a signedN > non-disclosure is required, so that means that the information is not publicC > and can not be posted on a open web site.  That said if there aref: > presentations with public information we will post them.  F For those attending, will the presentations be available in any format& that is not proprietary to Microsoft ?  , Examples might be Postscript, PDF and paper.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:10:59 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>g: Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium* Message-ID: <alt2mm$1o5$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  3 for those of you needing even more detail responsest Q:  Is this the same as ETSS  J Questions from Vaxman - Does this mean that I should request my money back for my HPets registration?  I Response from Terry - Not necessarily. The event that Mark Gorham and SuenJ Skonetski cooked up is all VMS, all the time. HEPTS is a bit more diverse.( Hope to see you at both of them, though.  I Response from Sue - If you are expecting the OpenVMS Tech Symposium to bee ETS you will be disapointed.  + Q:  Have the Tech Symposium in Europe or APh: > A:  I can not answer any better than Fred Kleinsorge did  F Fred's response - The idea is to bring a symposium someplace where theL engineers, and management can easily attend and interact - without having to	 send somes- limited number of them to some far off place.e  I The meetings we run here internally - and for other more focused forums -uI generally get well attended by everything from engineers to higher ups in-H the food chain.  Almost everyone who attends them, makes a point to comeJ back for the next one.  *I* hope this is much the same on a broader scale.  L If it were done in Europe, it would end up being just a "Technical Days"typeE thing, which is great - but it's much more limited in who (especiallyH( us lower in the foodchain) might attend.        @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:alsngi$h51$1@web1.cup.hp.com...@ > I just wanted to answer some of the questions that are posted. > ) > Q: - Presentations on a public web sitetJ > A: - As you look carefully at the web site you will notice that a signedG > non-disclosure is required, so that means that the information is not  publicC > and can not be posted on a open web site.  That said if there arep: > presentations with public information we will post them. >o > Q:  Comments about the hotelG > A:  We are trying to get everyone to stay at the Sheraton for severalnI > reasons,  1. Once the agenda is more complete you will be noticing thata the>K > schedule will be brutal, it will be much easier for you to be in the same F > hotel. 2. If we use enough hotel rooms we do not need to pay for theH > conference rooms which is a good thing considering how many we will be > using. >n- > Q:  Have the Tech Symposium in Europe or AP : > A:  I can not answer any better than Fred Kleinsorge did >  > Q:  Is this the same as ETSw8 > A:  I can not answer any better than Terry Shannon did >r3 > If there are any more questions just let me know.  >  > Warm Regards,= > Sues >e >y >  >dB > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message& > news:alqe7e$kta$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > > OpenVMS Into the Future  > >eD > > Hewlett Packard's OpenVMS Engineering organization is pleased to announceG > > the first annual OpenVMS Symposium. The OpenVMS Symposium will take  place K > > November 19-21 2002 at the Sheraton Tara Hotel in Nashua, NH, USA. ThisBL > > Symposium is designed for the intermediate - advanced level technologistA > > wishing to increase their knowledge of OpenVMS and associatedr > technologies.- > >- > >-+ > > Please visit the Symposium web site at::, > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/symposium/ > ><J > > The OpenVMS Symposium web site will be changing on a regular basis, so  > > please make sure to stop by. > >H8 > > We look forward to your participation at this event. > >t > > Warm Regards,o > >a > > Suee > >l > >> > >i >e >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:31:58 GMTo, From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>: Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium< Message-ID: <2qog9.13823$Wa.871391@twister.southeast.rr.com>  < > I'd do anything to promote VMS, don't get me wrong there !  J How about writing something technical for OpenVMS.org?  You said anything. :)   --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.orgi      3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3D81F43D.E6647296@aaa.com... - > Well now, I forgot the ":-)" in my post ...a >h8 > Don't make *this* to a world event. We have had enough( > of them the last couple of days, not ? >h: > Of course I find this VMS event something great, and I'd > wished I'd be able to go.  >e< > I'd do anything to promote VMS, don't get me wrong there ! >t0 > Best Regards and a happy weekend to everyone ! >o5 > (And Sue, if you in any way felt my post offensive,a6 > I'm realy sorry, that was defenitly not my meaning ! >o > Jan-Erik SderholmI > (Me?, worse then JF?, oh my, that's 10 extra Ave Maria tonight... :-) )n >- >n > "John N." wrote: > >e > > Let the whining begin! > >lJ > > Boy,  even JF had something nice to say about this.  And you are going to- > > complain about a couple of bucks a night?e > >l   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 12:06:08 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)D: Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <397LGgcJmzYM@eisner.encompasserve.org>G  b In article <alsngi$h51$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:  ) > Q: - Presentations on a public web site J > A: - As you look carefully at the web site you will notice that a signedN > non-disclosure is required, so that means that the information is not publicC > and can not be posted on a open web site.  That said if there are): > presentations with public information we will post them.  (    Secure web site for NDA signers only?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:01:11 -0700a  From: Jon <jsmyth69@hotmail.com>: Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium8 Message-ID: <rc64ougki1oljh7elkge9ilopg0pahtv25@4ax.com>  A Sue, You going to be at HPEST this year?   (Wasn't sure since you  changed jobs).  Thanks!r      6 "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote:  ? >I just wanted to answer some of the questions that are posted.u >c    (removed to save space)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:16:15 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> & Subject: Re: Backup /ALIAS  suggestion; Message-ID: <Pqmg9.29587$R7.508958@twister.tampabay.rr.com>p  F Just fyi,  the release notes for VMS 7.3-1 recommends NOT using eitherL /ALIAS or /NOALIAS.     It says that in almost all cases the default will beE correct (unless you are possibly restoring a save set from an old VMSe system).  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D7F8A87.CB5DFB62@videotron.ca...K > the VMS help (VAX VMS 7.2) for BACKUP/ALIAS isn't entirely clear (neitherX is > the FAQ text for that matter)e >IL > Refering to the "previous behaviour" doesn't help defining what /ALIAS and > /NOLIAS does.j >t, > And "alias file processing" is also vague. >7H > When you look at the help text for SET FILE /BACKUP, that behaviour is clear:L > /NOBACKUP means that file atrributes are preserved but contents discarded. > I > I would suggest that the BACKUP /ALIAS /NOALIAS help text be updated to0 haveL > text that clearly spells out what it does in terms of the alias file entry ande > aliasn file contents.F >SG > I.E. confirm that with /NOALIAS, the alias entries are backed up abndnC > recreated, but only the contents of "real" files is backed-up andb	 restored.o >nL > And confirm that with /ALIAS, both the alias entry and contents are copied toJ > the save set, and what happens during a restore operation. Is the former alias J > entry recreated as a standalone file not connected with the original, or isG > the alias created as an alias and the contents in the saveset ignored  becauseA% > the alias points to the real file ?e >eC > Now, explanations should be made when you backup only a directorys	 structure L > which may contain an alias entry pointing to a file stored outside of thatI > directrory. Will its contents be "lost" if /NOALIAS is specified ? WhateJ > happens if the file entry is restored, but the original file to which it wase  > pointing to no longer exists ? >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:41:29 +0200 , From: "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net>) Subject: Re: Checking $STATUS for success-4 Message-ID: <alsit4$ob54$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>  D > Is there a way to test only the first bit of $STATUS for success ?  5 I always use IF $STATUS THEN what_is_to_do_if_successhJ It is true, if the lowest bit is set. (if you mean first bit = lowest bit)   Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:49:06 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e% Subject: Checking $STATUS for successm, Message-ID: <3D81D0BA.6FD6DC91@videotron.ca>   I am a bit stomped  3 Interactively, it seems that I can succesfully use:e  2 IF $STATUS .AND. 1 THEN write sys$output "Success"  M But the above fails in a command procedure or if I test against anything elseS	 than "1".2    ? So I gather that .AND. is not really legal in such a construct.<  B Is there a way to test only the first bit of $STATUS for success ?  & Or must I use the ON ERROR construct ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:00:33 +0100>( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>) Subject: Re: Checking $STATUS for success() Message-ID: <3D81D361.4C98A4B5@127.0.0.1>    JF Mezei wrote:s >  > I am a bit stomped > 5 > Interactively, it seems that I can succesfully use:g > 4 > IF $STATUS .AND. 1 THEN write sys$output "Success" > O > But the above fails in a command procedure or if I test against anything else  > than "1".  > A > So I gather that .AND. is not really legal in such a construct.n > D > Is there a way to test only the first bit of $STATUS for success ? > ( > Or must I use the ON ERROR construct ?  G Typically I mask the least significant bits of status before reporting.m& I forget now why I started doing that.   e.g.  ! $ STAT = $STATUS .AND. %X00000007e  F (Actually I usually save $STATUS to another symbol to avoid losing it)  1 Then I test for .EQ. against 1 and 3 for success.a  ( Full list of .EQ. for a mask with %X7 is 0 = warning= 1 = Normal success	 2 = error  3 = Informational (success)D 4 = severe error (fatal)  9 $ IF (savedstatus.and.7) .EQ. n THEN ...	! test condition   ? Theoretically other numbers are illegal and should not be seen.s   -- u? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesi nclews at csc dot coma   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:23:55 GMTy& From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com>) Subject: Re: Checking $STATUS for successf& Message-ID: <3D81D725.DA33DBA8@hp.com>  ' The .AND. operator is a logical AND. So-5    IF $STATUS .AND. 1 THEN write sys$output "Success"o is really equivalent toi5    IF $STATUS         THEN write sys$output "Success"r  L If you need to break things down into error, warning, failure, etc., instead? of just success/failure, then use $SEVERITY instead of $STATUS.R     JF Mezei wrote:  > 5 > Interactively, it seems that I can succesfully use:04 > IF $STATUS .AND. 1 THEN write sys$output "Success" > O > But the above fails in a command procedure or if I test against anything elsef > than "1".i > A > So I gather that .AND. is not really legal in such a construct. D > Is there a way to test only the first bit of $STATUS for success ?( > Or must I use the ON ERROR construct ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:25:33 GMT & From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com>) Subject: Re: Checking $STATUS for successp& Message-ID: <3D81D787.10DD12BC@hp.com>  I Oops - of course .AND. is bitwise. Not sure where I pulled that out from.-     - Josh   Joshua Cope wrote: > ) > The .AND. operator is a logical AND. Sof7 >    IF $STATUS .AND. 1 THEN write sys$output "Success"I > is really equivalent tog7 >    IF $STATUS         THEN write sys$output "Success"> > N > If you need to break things down into error, warning, failure, etc., insteadA > of just success/failure, then use $SEVERITY instead of $STATUS.s >  > JF Mezei wrote:p > >i7 > > Interactively, it seems that I can succesfully use:<6 > > IF $STATUS .AND. 1 THEN write sys$output "Success" > >eQ > > But the above fails in a command procedure or if I test against anything else2
 > > than "1".o > > C > > So I gather that .AND. is not really legal in such a construct.vF > > Is there a way to test only the first bit of $STATUS for success ?* > > Or must I use the ON ERROR construct ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:23:34 -0400b6 From: "John.Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>) Subject: Re: Checking $STATUS for success"* Message-ID: <alslc9$gkm$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   JF Mezei wrote:t > I am a bit stomped > 5 > Interactively, it seems that I can succesfully use:o > 4 > IF $STATUS .AND. 1 THEN write sys$output "Success" > O > But the above fails in a command procedure or if I test against anything else/ > than "1".o  E You do realize that you are attempting to do mathematical AND with a 0 string and a number?  A > So I gather that .AND. is not really legal in such a construct.I  I I am not sure why the difference in behavior.  Did any DCL statements in aD the command procedure occur between where you first got the $STATUS ) value in question and where it is tested?o  H A larger fragment may be needed, and what version(s) of OpenVMS are you  seeing the behavior on?o  D > Is there a way to test only the first bit of $STATUS for success ?   Try:  5 $if '$STATUS' .and. 1 then write sys$output "Success"e  G Also $STATUS is changed by many commands, so it is best to save it for e later testing.  3 $my_status = '$status' ! Convert string to integer.m  ( > Or must I use the ON ERROR construct ?   Should not be needed.    -John=! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hps Personal Opinion Onlym   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:18:01 +0200=9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>_) Subject: Re: Checking $STATUS for success'' Message-ID: <3D81E589.3D3C2052@aaa.com>-  5 I usualy use $SEVERITY instead of $STATUS like this ::  	 $ sh time    13-SEP-2002 15:15:33 $ sh sym $severity   $SEVERITY == "1"   $ dir nosuchfile! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files foundD $ sh sym $severity   $SEVERITY == "0"   $ copy nosuchfile nl:oF %COPY-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]NOSUCHFILE.; as input -RMS-E-FNF, file not found $ sh sym $severity   $SEVERITY == "2"  3 If I need the full message number, I'd use $STATUS.-   Regards- Jan-Erik Sdreholm     JF Mezei wrote:: >  > I am a bit stomped > 5 > Interactively, it seems that I can succesfully use:a > 4 > IF $STATUS .AND. 1 THEN write sys$output "Success" > O > But the above fails in a command procedure or if I test against anything elsen > than "1".b > A > So I gather that .AND. is not really legal in such a construct.  > D > Is there a way to test only the first bit of $STATUS for success ? > ( > Or must I use the ON ERROR construct ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:39:51 +0100e( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>) Subject: Re: Checking $STATUS for successe) Message-ID: <3D81EAA7.71438B63@127.0.0.1>f   Joshua Cope wrote: > K > Oops - of course .AND. is bitwise. Not sure where I pulled that out from." > 
 >   - Josh >  > Joshua Cope wrote: > >++ > > The .AND. operator is a logical AND. So 9 > >    IF $STATUS .AND. 1 THEN write sys$output "Success"e > > is really equivalent too9 > >    IF $STATUS         THEN write sys$output "Success". > > P > > If you need to break things down into error, warning, failure, etc., insteadC > > of just success/failure, then use $SEVERITY instead of $STATUS.i  , I have a feeling that is why I do what I do.  H My (perhaps unfounded) theory is that I save the $STATUS to a symbol, inG case I lose the $STATUS while manipulating $SEVERITY, and it's a simpletF matter to extract the severity from the status. Decisions taken on theB severity reflect whether or not I need to use the remainder of the status.   C I had a complex set of decisions, and even a severe error had to be 8 viewed in context with other errors. Maybe I'm rambling.   -- t? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencese nclews at csc dot com$   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:52:56 -0400c& From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>) Subject: Re: Checking $STATUS for success.5 Message-ID: <33mg9.1442$w8.212796@newsfeed.slurp.net>g  * You probably want to use $SEVERITY instead6 IF $SEVERITY .EQS. "1" THEN write sys$output "Success" or> IF F$INTEGER($SEVERITY) .EQ. 1 THEN write sys$output "Success"   JF Mezei wrote:t > I am a bit stomped > 5 > Interactively, it seems that I can succesfully use:- > 4 > IF $STATUS .AND. 1 THEN write sys$output "Success" > O > But the above fails in a command procedure or if I test against anything else- > than "1".. >  > A > So I gather that .AND. is not really legal in such a construct.i > D > Is there a way to test only the first bit of $STATUS for success ? > ( > Or must I use the ON ERROR construct ?   -- nC Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY I        - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine faneI        - Mark.Jilson@hp.com                            - since 1975 or soyI        - http://www.jilly.baka.com           - http://www.brettbodine.comy   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2002 05:48 CDTa' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)h! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MBa- Message-ID: <13SEP200205481197@gerg.tamu.edu>u  5 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes...  }Carl Perkins wrote:K }> The variation in the size of a backup saveset of your data can easily beoK }> larger than your margin of error, especially if you are using media withnO }> data compression to store your backups. How do you plan to account for that?e } F }I don't. They're asking how much data/disk space I have. What happens) }after that is up to *THEM* to deal with.A  D Then tell them. It is trivial to do. You get the total size and tellB them what the number is. If this takes you more than a few minutes% then you are probably doing it wrong.n  	 }> [snip]0C }> The "fill in a questionnaire" thing sounds to me that it is somec8 }> bean-counting dufus that wants that kind of accuracy. } D }Try again. It's being supervised by top-level management, so it had1 }DAMNED well better be accurate *AND* verifiable.e  > And in what way does this not make them bean-counting dufuses?   }> If so, perhaps G }> you should explain to that person that such accuracy is irrelevant - H }> this isn't a airline fight so nobody will be killed if you are off by }> a couple of percent } & }Never worked in healthcare, have you?  ? So you are telling me that if you are off on an estimate of howoA big a file is someone will die. This is simply not true. The sizeaB of a file is not the size of the dosage of medication, or anything@ along those lines. If someone wants to transfer a file from your< system to their system and asks you how many MB it is, it is? highly unlikely that the difference between dividing the blocksh> used by 2000 and 2048 will matter. You just divide by 2000 and? say "it's about 17.5MB", or whatever. If it is off by a half ofoB a MB or so, then so what? The natural variations in transfer speedD between two computers is bigger than the error in the size estimate.  K }> Considering the amount of storage you have, if the size of RZ26s, RZ28s, C }> or RZ29s seems important to you then rethink what you are doing.  }  }We already have. When we have:- }  }o No budget for upgrades   C Then you will eventually have to do nothing but write all your fineoD data to the null device. Not too long after that the company will go out of business.  B Your company, like all of them, lives or dies on its data. Without$ the data the company does not exist.  C The rate at which data is generated is not going to decrease, it is : going to increase. Unless you go out of business, that is.  F Sooner or later you will have to upgrade. It is a very good idea to doD this before you actually run out of space and start dropping bits of7 data all over the floor in a nice unrecoverable manner.s  C }o No floorspace to install the upgrades, even if we could get thema  E You won't need *more* floorspace to upgrade to higher capacity disks,bF you will need *less* when you are talking about going from drives thatE are 4GB and under to drives that are 40GB and over. You can match thenB capacity with 10% as many drives, or fewer. If you used to have 10A racks loaded with drives, you can replace them with a single racknD and have more disk space than before. You can go with just two racks: and have a *lot* more disk space than those 10 racks held.  F }o No cooling capacity to allow the higher capacity, higher speed (and }hence higher heat) disks   D Odds are very good that the total heat production of the newer disksD would not be higher. It would almost certinaly be lower than the oldF disks. 4GB and smaller disks are vastly less efficent than using 40+GBE disks in this (and nearly every other) respect. Each disk may producesH twice as much heat, but you can use half as many and still increase yourF capacity by more than 400%. You can use a quarter as many and increaseA your capacity by at least 150% and probably cut the heat in half.f  G Compare 1000 drives at 4GB each to 100 drives at 72GB each (an estimateiH of a good medium sized disk these days - this is a smidge under half theK size of the biggest SCSI disk you can currently buy). Your storage capacitykJ goes from 4TB to 7.2TB, an 80% increase. Even if the power used by the newH disk drive is twice as much (it might be) and the heat produced is twiceI as much (it might be, but it might be less of an increase than that) they5J will still only use 20% as much power and produce 20% as much heat (savingH you a small amount on your electric bill for the power, and more for theH reduction in cooling). In aggregate, they will probably also be at leastK as fast as the old disk array (each drive is likely to have a data transfer H rate to and from the media that is in excess of 30MB/sec at the fast endH of the disk, which is probably close to 10 times an RZ29's speed, and anC average seek time that is less than half that of the 4GB drive - in I aggregate this is likely to work out to be similar in performance; add inmG a few more or get even faster drives if you want more performance to goD with the increased capacity).c  G The new drives will also all be covered by warranty, so you may have no. hardware support cost for them.>  C Did you ever see the IBM commercial where the guy called the policeeE because he thinks that a room full of servers was stolen only to havei> they tech guy tell him that they weren't stolen, they were allG consolidated onto the one server way over there at the end of otherwisesE empty room? This is not much of an exageration of what can be done ifhC the technology you are updating is over 5 years old (the RZ29 is atv@ least 8 years old - I know this because I have an RZ29B that wasC initialized 14-JUL-1994 - as far as I know they don't actually make E disk drives of this low of a capacity anymore other than perhaps in a.C PC-card (AKA PCMCIA) portable format for use in digital cameras and-G suchlike). The disk drives that used to take up 10 racks can now easily- be replaced with one rack.  I }....every kilobyte of disk space is precious. However, until our systemsnC }are certified to run at ODS-2.5 (allows bigger BITMAP.SYS so lowerRG }clustersize per huge disk volume), we have to watch EVERY LAST EXTENT!n  @ The smaller cluster size is very nice. It could easily give you @ several RZ29s worth of space if you have very many files on eachB "huge volume". On a 36GB drive the old minimum cluster size was 69B blocks. On such a disk I'm useing a cluster size of 4 and the diskA currently holds 128315 files in 128222 fragments (fun with DFU) -y= interestingly enough, the allocated vs. used space statisticssB indicate an average of about 3.57 blocks per file is wasted, whichG is most of a cluster (which is wierd - around half a cluster is normal,r@ I may have a non-random collection of common file sizes that areF responsible for this). This figure could be much larger if the clusterB size was 69 - even if it only went up to 30 blocks per file (a bitA under half a cluster) it would be an increase of 1.6GB wasted, or B 5% of this disk. If you were to gain 5% of your drive array's sizeB in free space it would overwhelm your suggested error tolerance by a factor of 50 times.   I Your bean counting dufuses need to buy a tiny number of new high capacityrG disks. For maybe something like $1000 you can increase your disk farm's.H size by probably at least 2% (20 times the accuracy desired). This wouldD be adding just one single fairly modern disk drive of moderatly high
 capacity.   A (Before the end of the year you will be able to buy a single diskcD drive with over 300GB of capacity. This level of capacity appears toD be becoming available as an ATA drive first. SCSI will follow withinF a couple months, I expect. Such a SCSI drive may cost less than $2000.E The ATA version looks like it may be under $500. When these come out, C the current maximum sized drives will take a bit of a dive in price- like they always do.)a  D If something like this is not done to solve the problem, you will goC out of business. An inability to store your data is identical to anf@ inability to actually do business. This has been true for a veryD long time - for the general types of data that exist now it has beenF true at least since the invention of agricuture several thousand yearsG ago (at which time it may have initially been possible to just rememberoI it all - but it eventually lead to the invention of writing to store it). I It is amazing that a lot of managerial types still don't understand this. H You'd think that in the something over 5000 years since the invention ofE writing for this purpose the managerial types who don't understand it A would have all died out. Where's Darwin when you really need him?r  	 }> [snip]2J }> Here is a question for you: Does the original poster need a figure that2 }> is exact, or is an estimate all that is needed? }> 3E }> Answer (no fair peaking before you give yours): We don't know. THey0 }> post did not give much in the way of details. } = }Then why teach him out to err? Teach him how to be accurate!o  F If you had actually read the part of my message (you know, the one youI were responding too) that you didn't quote, or payed attention to earlieroG parts of the thread from before you went off into left field, you would.G know that I did, in fact, post a message that gave the exact figures togF use for two different definitions of "megabyte" as well as how to make a quick approximation.  G I also notice that you deleted my example. Why is it that your exampleshG are so vital to the entire newsgroup that you post on and on about themyE but ignore mine, which demonstrated why one might want to know how tod get a quick approximation?  @ }I think you'll do well to study some, especially communication,F }especially in those areas where mostly visually-oriented people (mostC }women and a large percentage of the male population) learn best byaI }illustration. The more varied the "pictures" you can paint for them, theJH }easier it is for any individual in the group to find a familar frame ofC }reference. Hence, the better your chance to get your point across.a }oE }I don't really expect as you'll grasp that, since it's not stated inoB }terms of heads, cylinders or sectors, but hey - it's worth a try! }  }--  }David J. Dachtera  I A very simple question was asked, "how do I convert blocks to megabytes".u  F A slightly less simple answer was given, "multiply be one of these twoE values to get the exact answer, or use this approximation". This was,kH and still is, the correct answer. In what way have you illustrated this?  H Going on and on about things that are completely irrelevant doesn't helpH anybody learn anything except that you can, and will, go on and on aboutB things that are loosely, at best, related to the question at hand.  ? Your position seems to be that because you can not use the easy = estimate in one specific case then nobody should ever use it.l> This is the position that is typical of a bean-counting dufus.( It is also, not surprisingly, incorrect.  B It is a simple fact that in many situations all you need is a nice quick estimate.   G When you are trying to park your car, do you get out of the car and useaI your tape measure to measure the parking space and get the exact positionpF of each obstacle and plot it all on graph paper and do calculations toG make sure that you can maneuver your car into the desired parking spot,yI taking into consideration the size of your car, it's current position and J orientation, and minimum turning radius and the positions of all obstaclesJ and the size and orientation of the parking spot under the current weatherE conditions? I bet you don't. I bet you just make a quick estimate andcE give it a try (or don't try, if you estimate that you can't make it).i  ? Was that example relevant to how many blocks are in a MB? Nope.4  ? It was, however, relevant to demonstrating that your insistanced6 that quick estimates are to never be used is nonsense.  A By the way, this post (and the earlier one) are just riddled with7@ estimates and approximations, and there is at least one flat outD mathematical error (it's so far off that calling it an approximationD is silly) my the previous post. Way back in my first paragraph I sayB "a few minutes". This is obviously an approximate figure - just anE estimate of how long it should take put into very vague terms. I alsopH use terms indicating approximations and estimates like "about", "or so",H and "may" all over the place. It must have just about given you a strokeD to read this post, considering how stridently you have been opposing such things.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:57:59 +0100 (MET)n9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r Subject: Re: FMS on Alpha.; Message-ID: <01KMGBDG3H0Y9OCZIZ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   E > Looking at the VMS V7.3-1 release notes, I see no changes likely to 
 > affect FMS.S  D Isn't FMS being ported to Itanium?  If so, VMS > 7.3-1 seems likely.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:58:52 +0200 ; From: Eric DOUARINOU <edouarinou@diabolo.ias.net.steria.fr>e! Subject: Gtk 1.2.8 on openvms 7.3 2 Message-ID: <alscss$8i0$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>   Hello,  < Is somebody using Gtk 1.2.8 on openvms 7.3, is it reliable ?6 I can't find a buglist with known problems (if exist).   Thanks.V   -- Eric.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 12:17:39 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)E Subject: Hammer slipsb3 Message-ID: <09SRG5y4RooL@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  5 http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20020913S0002r  *  It's Not Hammer Time Yet Sept. 13, 2002    M Advanced Micro Devices is delaying by several months the launch of its highlym anticipated 64-bit Hammer chip.t By Paul McDougall,      tK Advanced Micro Devices Inc. is delaying by several months the launch of itsiI highly anticipated 64-bit Hammer chip. ClawHammer, the desktop version of-L processors that will compete with Intel's 64-bit Itanium chips, was to debutM late this year, but the company now says the product won't ship until the end M of the first quarter of 2003. AMD says it's still on track to launch Opteron,1K its 64-bit server version of the chip, in the late first half of next year. I AMD declined to give specific reasons for the delay, noting only that itsPO launch dates are rarely set in stone given the complexity of its products. SuchyO hiccups are hardly unprecedented in the chip industry. Intel's Itanium chip wase  literally years late to market.   K Nonetheless, analysts say the delay could significantly hurt AMD's troubled G financial picture. Merrill Lynch's Joe Osha has, in fact, increased hishO estimate of AMD's 2003 losses, from 18 cents a share to 74 cents. "The push-out?N of Hammer creates another quarter of substantial losses for the company," Osha says.     				Robe    B Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wondereG Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstream > The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder  .                                 -- Neil Young    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:17:34 +0200e From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>5 Subject: Re: Help:  Error Linking Samba 2.2.4 for VMS 3 Message-ID: <ecgg9.38616$H6.3695335@zwoll1.home.nl>t  N There is a readily ported version of Samba 2.2.4 available somewhere (have to K look up where), however it was not quite bug-free as we noticed. We had it u> running for a few days, but had to return to an older version.  O I would have to ask my colleagues what the problems were, and where we got the e3 VMS port (from a French site, that I do know :-) ).    Michael D. Ober wrote:A > Below is the results of attempting to link Samba 2.2.4 for VMS.h >  > SYSTEM>set def [.source.vms] > SYSTEM>@link > Linking SMBD4 > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$UTIME multiply definedC >         in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1n' > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol:t" > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         SNPRINTF8 > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol SNPRINTF referenced+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X000006B0"L >         in module SERVER file DKA300:[SAMBA$2_2_4.SOURCE.SMBD]SERVER.OBJ;18 > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol SNPRINTF referenced+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000980 H >         in module UTIL file DKA300:[SAMBA$2_2_4.SOURCE.BIN]SAMBA.OLB;18 > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol SNPRINTF referenced+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000050 J >         in module SMBRUN file DKA300:[SAMBA$2_2_4.SOURCE.BIN]SAMBA.OLB;1 > Linking NMBD' > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol: " > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         SNPRINTF8 > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol SNPRINTF referenced+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000690 H >         in module NMBD file DKA300:[SAMBA$2_2_4.SOURCE.NMBD]NMBD.OBJ;18 > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol SNPRINTF referenced+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000980gH >         in module UTIL file DKA300:[SAMBA$2_2_4.SOURCE.BIN]SAMBA.OLB;18 > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol SNPRINTF referenced+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000050rJ >         in module SMBRUN file DKA300:[SAMBA$2_2_4.SOURCE.BIN]SAMBA.OLB;1 > Linking SMBCLIENTp' > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol:n" > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         SNPRINTF8 > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol SNPRINTF referenced+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X000002D0 N >         in module CLIENT file DKA300:[SAMBA$2_2_4.SOURCE.CLIENT]CLIENT.OBJ;18 > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol SNPRINTF referenced+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000980tH >         in module UTIL file DKA300:[SAMBA$2_2_4.SOURCE.BIN]SAMBA.OLB;1 > Linking TESTPARM' > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol:n" > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         SNPRINTF8 > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol SNPRINTF referenced+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000980 H >         in module UTIL file DKA300:[SAMBA$2_2_4.SOURCE.BIN]SAMBA.OLB;1 > .e > .e@ > When we attempted to compile from source we got the following: >  > Compiling UTIL_FILE in LIB > Compiling UTIL in LIBv > Compiling UTIL_SOCK in LIB > Compiling UTIL_SEC in LIBm > Compiling ERROR in LIB > Compiling FSUSAGE in LIB > Compiling HASH in LIBn > Compiling INTERFACES in LIBe > 5 >                 if (!(ifr[i].ifr_flags & IFF_UP)) {a, > .........................................^@ > %CC-E-UNDECLARED, In this statement, "IFF_UP" is not declared.J > at line number 132 in file DKA300:[SAMBA$2_2_4.SOURCE.LIB]INTERFACES.C;1! > %LIBRAR-W-OPENIN, error opening:9 > DKA300:[SAMBA$2_2_4.SOURCE.LIB]INTERFACES.OBJ; as input- > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found+ > %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching foro1 > DKA300:[SAMBA$2_2_4.SOURCE.LIB]INTERFACES.OBJ;*u > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found > Compiling MESSAGES in LIBy > Compiling MS_FNMATCH in LIBm > Compiling NETATALK in LIBp > Compiling PAM_ERRORS in LIBL > .P > .i > VMS Version:7 > Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.138 >   on a AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB running OpenVMS V7.3 >  > Anyone know how to fix this. > 	 > Thanks,e > Mike Obera > Wakefield & Associates, Inc. >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:16:28 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERTe. Message-ID: <3D81D71C.BFA03439@mindspring.com>   JF Mezei wrote:d  + > Now the USA says that given access to thea8 > materials, it would take at least one year for Irak to7 > build such a bomb (or the proprietary USA equivalent,t3 > a nukular bomb). (big whoopty doo, I suspect that / > anyone, given the materials, could build such! > a bomb inside of a year).   , JF, as you correctly observe, this statement0 ("given access to nuclear materials, could build0 a bomb") is one of those statements that's meant0 to sound like it's telling you something, but is in fact telling you nothing.  ( I *GUARANTEE* that any of us here, given* access to a few dozen kilograms of highly-1 enriched uranium (HEU), could build a functioning1. "gun type" fission bomb in less than one year.* The physics of a gun-type weapon are very, very simple.  .     (As you'll recall, we tested our "Fat Man"*     plutonium-fueled implosion-type weapon/     before dropping the real deal on Hiroshima,t*     but we *NEVER* tested our "Little Boy")     uranium-fueled gun-type weapon before 0     quite successfully using it to vaporize tens)     of thousands of Japanese civilains atf     Nagasaki.)  ( So essentialy, the statement says: "Yes,& Iraq, like *EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE' WORLD*, could become a nuclear power ifR% they had access to HEU." As you said:S "Big whoop".   Atlant   "Would you like to know more?"  - http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/index.htmla   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:31:41 +0200i@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>I Subject: Re: lexicals (was: RE: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)" + Message-ID: <3D81864D.3010908@mail.tele.dk>,   David J. Dachtera wrote:   > Bob Koehler wrote:] >>In article <3D800310.5EDCAF5D@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:rD >>>If DCL supported floats, I could even see letting that behind the- >>>"brains" behind a new lexical: F$FORMAT(). $ >>   Redundant with f$fao, isn't it?E > Dunno. Does (F)$FAO provide directives that allow the formatting ofrH > floating point and/or scaled integer data with decimal points, commas,: > trailing signs and floating dollar signs like FORMAT$()? > J > I don't recall ever seeing anything like that, but I'm hardly the expert > on it ($FAO).a   ????  A Since DCL does currently not support floating & fixed point, thenw$ F$FAO ofcourse do not support those.  ; But if DCL supported floating & fixed point, then F$FAO mayo( be the logical place to put formatting !   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 12:25:27 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: lexicals (was: RE: SET PROTECTION (SET SECURITY/PROTECTION)" 3 Message-ID: <l+7eKqh9K3QM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3D813F38.95F03B67@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:t > Bob Koehler wrote: >>  ^ >> In article <3D800310.5EDCAF5D@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >> tF >> > If DCL supported floats, I could even see letting that behind the/ >> > "brains" behind a new lexical: F$FORMAT().o >>  % >>    Redundant with f$fao, isn't it?s > E > Dunno. Does (F)$FAO provide directives that allow the formatting ofa > floating point  @    Oops.  I though $FAO did floating point, but it looks like it    doens't.f   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:26:01 +0000 (UTC) ' From: John W <johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk>eY Subject: Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS     just yaf* Message-ID: <3D81AF07.5090703@yahoo.co.uk>  E <big snip, longish post, sorry. Apologies if duplicate; original ISP o newsserver flaky.>  % Re: costs of Win2K DataCenter vs VMS.-  E If you're doing a pre-buying comparison between VMS and Windows 2000 tB Datacenter Edition, there are a couple of other things to look at @ besides already-mentioned stuff like price to buy, and price of H essential add-ons (e.g. basic backup and job control included with VMS,  add-ons needed on Win2K).i  G The few Compaq people that know about this probably don't want to rock lH their boat, and the coin-op consultants and analysts already know which   is best for you before you call.  H I'm going to assume that you've already considered hardware things such H as the value of a simple serial console for remote manageability, which 2 might get lost if you're only looking at software.   In no particular order:T   (1) Price of support  H Windows 2000 Data Center Edition comes with *compulsory* high level (ie B very expensive) support contract, which must be purchased for all B systems from day one. With VMS you have the flexibility to choose F whether you want support, and who you want it from, and when you need @ cover. Good luck finding any published figures for the price of I Datacenter support (and once they've got you, unlike VMS, where else can S! you turn when the price goes up?)8     (2) Patch availability  C Obviously there are lots of Win2K patches. For DataCenter edition, eG patches are supposed to get additional "extensive testing" (2 weeks?!) $F before release, and then are only available from the hardware vendor, . who apparently may want extra money for them: G http://www.compaq.com/support/files/datacenter/us/index.html When Code  @ Red happened, it was *weeks* before the Datacenter patches were  available from Compaq.     (3) Supported hardware list ? http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/datacenter/HCL/default.aspm  E The supported hardware list for Win2K DC isn't exactly long. Compaq, .C Dell and HP each offer slight variants of one Datacenter-certified  H platform, and it's the biggest Wintel 8way they have. You get to choose E from more than one storage subsystem, though. HP and Compaq both had eC 32-ways. Compaq gave up on their rebadged 32way Unisys after a few )$ months; dunno about HP (it's not on T http://www.hp.com/solutions1/microsoft/windows2000/solutions/downloads/index.html). % There's more hardware on the VMS SPD.a     (4) Support qualityp  D When it misbehaves, who would you rather have looking at your crash G dumps? A VMS specialist, on a system architected from the ground up to hI be a "trusted computing platform" (meaning secure and reliable). Or a PC AG specialist from a company whose product security and reliability is so  E well-known that they had to redefine "trusted computing platform" to IC mean "recording industry revenue protector" (TCPA = Digital Rights b Management, Palladium, etc).    < (5) Shatter (see http://security.tombom.co.uk/shatter.html )  D If you are involved with Windows and haven't read about the Shatter F exploit, you need to have a look. Fortunately MS were already talking I about abandoning the Win32 API for something typesafe in the .NET future  G (Longhorn? Blackcomb? I forget...) Then where's your cost of ownership N gone ?    3 Corrections, clarifications, and additions welcome.    regardsh john   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:08:29 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>Y Subject: Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS   just yawnn8 Message-ID: <mnr3ou0q3ccesm60l5s3jm9fvh3m948oqu@4ax.com>  C On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:34:42 -0400, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>  wrote:  4 >"jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message3 >news:9d31ou4ue6ajnmqvgvhdr89mg8jicbdf5v@4ax.com... / >> On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:01:22 -0400, JF Mezeii( >> <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: >> >> >jlsue wrote:I >> >> But the competitor, low-end products (especially Windows) do not goeF >> >> through the exhaustive qualification that VMS does for supported >> >> platforms. >> > >oJ >Yes, they do.  It's called Windows 2000 Datacenter Edition and it costs a >LOT.S  C Minor NIT.... I said "low-end products".  Datacenter Edition is not A low-end.  And, just fyi, your statement is exactly what I've beenn saying all along.o     >>H >> Sure, but again, there's a trade-off that if we decide not to performE >> the qualifications on the low-end systems, the result could easily 2 >> become a parity in the reliability comparisons. >> > L >Are you suggesting that when the Itanium port is released, HP should refuse, >to license OpenVMS on unqualified hardware?  E I don't think I ever made this statement.  Honestly, I can't even seew4 how what I did say could even be construed this way.   > I >When OpenVMS/IA-64 is released I hope that HP comes up with pricing thattK >mimics Microsoft.  If you want an OpenVMS license, it's $300.  If you calliM >for support, have your credit card ready.  If you want an OpenVMS license onoG >qualified hardware with support, it's $3,000.  If you need a developerNL >license, it's $1,000 a year for everything HP has.  A single person can runC >the software on as many machines as they need to but it's only forcI >development use, not production.  Just take a Microsoft MSDN License andt >change Microsoft to HP.  C This is interesting.  Hey, I'm all for cheaper VMS solutions.  I'vetC been asking for it since the late 80s, early 90s (I have not alwaysTE been a DEC/CPQ/HPQ employee).  I have no idea if they are consideringu0 this since I'm not in that part of the business.     >>@ >> I don't see how one can expect that a system+OS that has veryD >> controlled hardware variability, with a significant qualification< >> effort and higher reliability, should be capable of beingG >> cost-competitive with a throw-away system that may have a huge array-I >> of possible hardware combinations, and almost no qualification effort.? >> >eJ >There's no added cost in selling low-end OpenVMS licenses for unqualified
 >hardware.   D  D Well, I can tell you that this assertion is not always true.  We hadF low-cost storage (compared to certain competitors) in our StorageWorks@ SAN products, and we got bit with customer sat. issues when theyF couldn't/didn't implement them correctly.  The failures were generally7 blamed on the product, when it was more often incorrectsD implementation.  This has forced us to require the purchase of a SanD Implementation Service with all our SAN hardware.  It's the only wayE we can guarantee that the stuff is implemented correctly.  And we can @ verify that, at the time we leave, it is all working fine (well,C assuming the customer doesn't change things when we get back to ourv hotel rooms in the evenings).o  A >The main fear that HP will have is that selling low-end licenseshK >will cannibalize their high-end, qualified sales.  If HP doesn't eat theire >young, someone else will. >S  D I don't know if this is even an issue today.  For one thing, at thisC point nobody is predicting the low-cost IA64 products we've come tom> expect from Intel-world systems.  Intel, itself, appears to be0 charging a good bit of scratch to get the chips.    Only time will tell on that one.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:50:36 +0100mE From: Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net>t) Subject: Re: Looking for a VMS favour.... 8 Message-ID: <so54ouklgt1kr4huormdnu61nhs45n9d6q@4ax.com>  3 On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:41:21 +0100, Jamie Stallwoodo6 <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> wrote:  4 >On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:14:21 +0100, Jamie Stallwood7 ><this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> wrote:T >iC >>I am bringing my new (old!) VaxStation 3100 to life but it has non( >>MACRO so can't transfer anything over. >>  >>I would like to install CMU-IPG >>(http://www.agh.cc.kcl.ac.uk/files/vms/cmu-tcpip/) but have no way ofe >>transferring binary savesets.  >>G >>I have installed VMS_UNSHARE from the HG archive. If anybody can helptH >>by VMS_SHARE'ing the 4 savesets I would be grateful if they could mail >>me.b >> >>Thnaks >>Jamie Stallwoode >rB >Well, I tried using Kermit-32 to transfer the savesets from my NTA >machine to VMS, but they got all knacked up ("Record too big for-G >buffer"). VMS to VMS would probably be fine, but sadly I only have the  >one VAX :(y  F As Tom C pointed out, the VMSINSTAL savesets had a block size of 8192.? If one used the Kermit correctly you could get them over with aeF smaller record size and then use the HG FILE to change it back. All is	 well now.F   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:02:29 -0400e2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. . Message-ID: <3D81D3D5.F755D2C2@mindspring.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:  ? > Some items (among many) to look for - you should find photos,hC > eye-witness accounts and such in the U.S. press as well that fromh > overseas: ...  > A > o Iraq's push into Kuwait and attrocities committed during. ...   + You did read the follow-ups to that, right?   - It turns out that many of those "attrocities"v. (e.g., "babies tossed out of incubators so the& incubators could be moved to Baghdad")1 never existed except in the minds of a particular / PR firm that was hired to promote the war. And,t- BTW, that same PR firm is still in the employr of some of the factions today.   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:54:04 -0400i- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>g Subject: Re: ORD4 Message-ID: <alsu6e$rho9$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEKBFLAA.tom@kednos.com...o >...4 > Yes, and unfortunately I'm sure it will get posted   >...  H Yes, but hopefully over in rec.aviation.piloting where there is a threadJ called "Airport Codes" that started yesterday. If anyone wants to carry onK this discussion then that is the place to do it, we have WAY TOO MANY otheriJ OFF TOPIC threads going on in this group for this one. Is it again time to! ask that this group be moderated?t   --K Peter Weaver (who is still upset that Rob didn't mention YSN in his list ofpK Ontario airports, but I did not want to post a message in such an off-topicb thread.)L Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:41:43 +0100e7 From: "Peter Watkinson" <peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com>e Subject: Permedia 2c? Message-ID: <F7kg9.3192$QQ3.44058@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>b  	 Hi folks,o  F I've got a source for Diamond fire gl 1000 pro vga cards. These run onH 3dlabs Permedia 2 chips, the same as Elsa Gloria Synergy cards. Will the& Diamond fire cards work with Open VMS?   cheers,t   Petere peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.comz   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:54:08 -0400a- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>i) Subject: PIPE and the Redirect Characters 4 Message-ID: <alsqm2$q5i7$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>  5 "Don Sykes" <annonymous@pacbell.net> wrote in messages% news:3D7F9903.65CCF866@pacbell.net...7 >...E > and have the pipe command fill in "sys$input", or at least, specify  sys$input as > < , e.g.:f > $ pipe dir | search < ".log" >...  	 and latere  ? "Martin Vorlaender" <martin@radiogaga.harz.de> wrote in messagey5 news:3d81491a.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de...m >...I > But the point is: to really do it the *ix way, all commands that are towF > interact with PIPE (that is, *all* commands really) would have to be( > changed to allow the special file "-". >...  B Wouldn't it be simpler to have the PIPE command scan for the "-><"G characters and replace them with SYS$PIPE, SYS$INPUT, SYS$OUTPUT beforeWL executing the commands? The only command that needs to be changed then would be PIPE itself.g  L I don't know how PIPE could be modified to handle $ pipe dir | search ".log"K unless PIPE looks at the current CLI Table with some intelligence to figurehL out what the user wants (i.e. if the prompt is "Input File" then assume that. PIPE should insert SYS$PIPE into the command).   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:51:31 +0200aE From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> - Subject: Re: PIPE and the Redirect Charactersw+ Message-ID: <3D820983.A8D4FB88@mediasec.de>e  N > I don't know how PIPE could be modified to handle $ pipe dir | search ".log"M > unless PIPE looks at the current CLI Table with some intelligence to figureyN > out what the user wants (i.e. if the prompt is "Input File" then assume that0 > PIPE should insert SYS$PIPE into the command).  K I do think the standard command have things like $INFILE, $OUTFILE in theirnN CLDs. That would make an automatic substitution possible, and it wouldn't even conflict with current usage...   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:48:45 -0400a5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>0, Subject: Press Release from Digital Networks* Message-ID: <alsqc9$hqi$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE         8 DIGITAL NETWORKS INTRODUCES TWO NEW NETWORKING PRODUCTS:    Multiswitch fast ethernet 948TXG   DNWireless(tm) NetCatcher(tm)n  = Digital Networks Relocates Corporate Offices to Nashua, ANN..)      F Nashua, N.H., August 5, 2002 - Digital Networks, a leading provider ofG networking solutions, today announced availability of two new products: K MultiSwitch Fast Ethernet Switch 948TXG for data centers and wiring closetseD and DNwireless(tm) NetCatcher(tm) providing wireless connectivity of2 computer systems in an office or home environment.  G "Digital Networks is continuing to expand its product offerings for our L traditional enterprise customers with the introduction of MultiSwitch 948TXGC which allows businesses to extend their network without significantmJ investment," said Vic Capozzi, CEO of Digital Networks.  "And today we areL extending our product line into the small business - home office market withL the launch of DNwireless(tm) NetCatcher(tm) which allows companies to createI and maintain their own network that allows fast, dependable access to thes	 Internet.t  L "Digital Networks is committed to providing enterprises and small businessesI with the products and services they need to remain competitive in today's L economy. These two new products are reflective of the types of solutions our= customers are telling us they need to deploy," added Capozzi.o  K The MultiSwitch Fast Ethernet Switch 948TXG, a high-density standards basedoL 10/100 switch for the MultiSwitch 900 family, has been designed for the dataL center and wiring closet to bring more capacity for high speed switching. ItK comes with wire-speed performance and full features to bring low-cost, high C density Fast Ethernet switching and Gigabit Ethernet uplinks to the L MultiSwitch 900 family.  The switch can be deployed either stand-alone usingK the DEChub ONE single slot chassis or in a modular form factor using eitherfI of the MultiSwitch 900 chassis.  The MultiSwitch 948TXG is list priced ate $6,595.c  $ MultiSwitch 948TXG Product Features:  J        Works with 48 port 10/100 switch with two Gigabit Ethernet uplinksF        Has 24 physical RJ45 connections; each supporting two switchedA 10/100 ports allowing the network designers flexibility on wiringS configurations  8        Can be installed in seconds and is hot swappableE        Supports SNMPv2, CLI and web based management using clearVISNh3 allowing network configuration from any web browsers  G The DNwireless NetCatcher enables fast, dependable, and secure wirelessiF computer access within a home or small office environment.  NetCatcherJ allows businesses and consumers to build a network based on their specificE needs and gain the advantages of a private wired and wireless networkuF without the high cost of technical support. Multiple access levels andK filtering options provide a secure business environment.  NetCatcher allowsiG network users to browse the web at the same time - without adding extralK phone lines or Internet accounts.  NetCatcher is priced competitively underi $300.   ' DNwireless NetCatcher Product Features:oI        Connect the NetCatcher unit via Ethernet cable to existing DSL oreA cable modem - (connects up to 253 users with a shared IP address)r  G        Use ISDN or analog modem connections to the NetCatcher unit fork5 dial-up access or to back up the broadband connection   D        Add DNwireless RC 11 Radio Card for wireless connectivity toH desktops, laptops and PDA's between rooms or floors without any wires to confine operations  I        Out of the box installation with easy step-by-step instructions -v9 and uses any standard web browser to configure the systemr  H        Hardwire computers in proximity directly to the three 10/100 LAN portseG        Built in print server allows shared printer for everyone on thee networkkH        Built in firewall lets you set access levels by individual usersI        NetCatcher comes with a one-year warranty plus telephone support.f   About Digital NetworksH Digital Networks designs and develops products and solutions that enableL business of all sizes to share Internet access, peripherals and applicationsH among multiple computer and Internet-enabled devices.  Digital Networks'J roadmap for the future includes new products aimed at meeting the businessE requirements in the area of wireless, enterprise backbones, workgroupeG computing and device server products. The company is privately held andr= recently relocated its corporate headquarters to Nashua, N.H.p    L For further information about Digital Networks and its products please visitI their site at www.digitalnetworks.net <http://www.digitalnetworks.net> or  call 603-589-0300.   Press Information: Cheryl Delgrecoi Media Strategies 617-723-4004 delgreco@shore.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:23:35 -0700x# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>e0 Subject: RE: Press Release from Digital Networks9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEKNFLAA.tom@kednos.com>   < Not sure what this has to do with VMS, did I miss something?   >-----Original Message-----f; >From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com]o) >Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 6:49 AMt >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- >Subject: Press Release from Digital Networks  >t >f >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >. >n >t > 9 >DIGITAL NETWORKS INTRODUCES TWO NEW NETWORKING PRODUCTS:t > ! >Multiswitch fast ethernet 948TXGf >e >DNWireless(tm) NetCatcher(tm) >u> >Digital Networks Relocates Corporate Offices to Nashua, ANN.. >y >  >tG >Nashua, N.H., August 5, 2002 - Digital Networks, a leading provider of H >networking solutions, today announced availability of two new products:L >MultiSwitch Fast Ethernet Switch 948TXG for data centers and wiring closetsE >and DNwireless(tm) NetCatcher(tm) providing wireless connectivity ofs3 >computer systems in an office or home environment.e >rH >"Digital Networks is continuing to expand its product offerings for our: >traditional enterprise customers with the introduction of >MultiSwitch 948TXGlD >which allows businesses to extend their network without significantK >investment," said Vic Capozzi, CEO of Digital Networks.  "And today we arelA >extending our product line into the small business - home officeo >market withC >the launch of DNwireless(tm) NetCatcher(tm) which allows companiesl
 >to createJ >and maintain their own network that allows fast, dependable access to the
 >Internet. >eB >"Digital Networks is committed to providing enterprises and small >businessesrJ >with the products and services they need to remain competitive in today's? >economy. These two new products are reflective of the types ofp >solutions our> >customers are telling us they need to deploy," added Capozzi. >lL >The MultiSwitch Fast Ethernet Switch 948TXG, a high-density standards based@ >10/100 switch for the MultiSwitch 900 family, has been designed
 >for the datas? >center and wiring closet to bring more capacity for high speeds >switching. ItL >comes with wire-speed performance and full features to bring low-cost, highD >density Fast Ethernet switching and Gigabit Ethernet uplinks to the; >MultiSwitch 900 family.  The switch can be deployed eitherc >stand-alone usingL >the DEChub ONE single slot chassis or in a modular form factor using eitherJ >of the MultiSwitch 900 chassis.  The MultiSwitch 948TXG is list priced at >$6,595. > % >MultiSwitch 948TXG Product Features:r >tK >       Works with 48 port 10/100 switch with two Gigabit Ethernet uplinks G >       Has 24 physical RJ45 connections; each supporting two switchedhB >10/100 ports allowing the network designers flexibility on wiring >configurationst >c9 >       Can be installed in seconds and is hot swappable F >       Supports SNMPv2, CLI and web based management using clearVISN4 >allowing network configuration from any web browser >oH >The DNwireless NetCatcher enables fast, dependable, and secure wirelessG >computer access within a home or small office environment.  NetCatcher K >allows businesses and consumers to build a network based on their specificwF >needs and gain the advantages of a private wired and wireless networkG >without the high cost of technical support. Multiple access levels andsL >filtering options provide a secure business environment.  NetCatcher allowsH >network users to browse the web at the same time - without adding extraL >phone lines or Internet accounts.  NetCatcher is priced competitively under >$300. > ( >DNwireless NetCatcher Product Features:J >       Connect the NetCatcher unit via Ethernet cable to existing DSL orB >cable modem - (connects up to 253 users with a shared IP address) >iH >       Use ISDN or analog modem connections to the NetCatcher unit for6 >dial-up access or to back up the broadband connection >dE >       Add DNwireless RC 11 Radio Card for wireless connectivity toGI >desktops, laptops and PDA's between rooms or floors without any wires toe >confine operations  >nJ >       Out of the box installation with easy step-by-step instructions -: >and uses any standard web browser to configure the system > I >       Hardwire computers in proximity directly to the three 10/100 LANa >portsH >       Built in print server allows shared printer for everyone on the >networkI >       Built in firewall lets you set access levels by individual users3J >       NetCatcher comes with a one-year warranty plus telephone support. >h >About Digital Networks-I >Digital Networks designs and develops products and solutions that enablen@ >business of all sizes to share Internet access, peripherals and
 >applicationsRI >among multiple computer and Internet-enabled devices.  Digital Networks'0K >roadmap for the future includes new products aimed at meeting the businessDF >requirements in the area of wireless, enterprise backbones, workgroupH >computing and device server products. The company is privately held and> >recently relocated its corporate headquarters to Nashua, N.H. >t >p@ >For further information about Digital Networks and its products
 >please visitlJ >their site at www.digitalnetworks.net <http://www.digitalnetworks.net> or >call 603-589-0300.s >e >Press Information:n >Cheryl Delgreco >Media Strategies 
 >617-723-4004i >delgreco@shore.net  >n >O >r >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).i@ >Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 9/4/2002 >r ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 9/4/2002k   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:44:33 +0200t@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>0 Subject: Re: Press Release from Digital Networks+ Message-ID: <3D822401.9030005@mail.tele.dk>u   Tom Linden wrote:   > > Not sure what this has to do with VMS, did I miss something?  6 I believe Digital Networks is a spinoff from Cabletron5 that bougth the Digital network hardware products, sov) there are a historical connection to VMS.e  0 That said then I assume their products today are! completely server vendor neutral.e   Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:29:49 +0000 (UTC)N+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)  Subject: Re: Sybase and VMS7+ Message-ID: <alssot$43j$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>u  [ In article <3D8145AE.26854403@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:1 >Arne Vajhj wrote:s >> a >> Jakob Erber wrote:S >> 2O >> > The ending support of sybase for VMS is the reason for us to leave VMS. WefP >> > cannot live with an unsupported DB and migration is easier than changing to >> > oracle. >> o> >> I think that many has choosen to migrate from Sybase/VMS to) >> Sybase/non-VMS instead of Oracle/VMS !  >tE >I forwarded this info. to Sue Skonetski, Cc: Mark Gorham and Richard ? >Marcello with the subject line "More Endangered VMS accounts".s >c >--   J Probably too late. Most sites running Sybase on VMS have probably already I been forced to move. Our Library system was running Sybase based software;H on VMS. It's now running the latest version of that software on Solaris.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:38:05 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Sybase and VMSe+ Message-ID: <3D82227D.6020008@mail.tele.dk>0   David J. Dachtera wrote:   > Arne Vajhj wrote:= >>I think that many has choosen to migrate from Sybase/VMS tob( >>Sybase/non-VMS instead of Oracle/VMS ! > F > I forwarded this info. to Sue Skonetski, Cc: Mark Gorham and Richard@ > Marcello with the subject line "More Endangered VMS accounts".     Probably 2 years too late.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:23:37 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy " Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!0 Message-ID: <alshun$hqt$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:[ > In article <alnq70$bg$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:  >  >>Wow, >>5 >>Your explanation for Sun's stock price falling fromF4 >>20 to 3.5 dollars is that we are being squeezed at >>the low end margin wise !r >>9 >>Remarkable, no hint that there may be external economicN= >>factors at work including an overall decline in tech stocksi6 >>a global recession, big spending cuts in a number of4 >>major market verticals for various reasons and the >>September 11 effect. >>7 >>Come on Rob, you must be able to do better than this.A >>5 >>The closest analogy to your attempts over the yearsn: >>to FUD Sun that I can think of is the Simian, typewriter >>Hamlet scenario. >>6 >>Except you arn't trying for Hamlet you are hoping to9 >>produce something factual and relevant that will damagen >>Sun. >>5 >>As you see your thesis failed in both respects, butU6 >>don't let this set back stop you typing. Sun's stock3 >>price hasn't fallen because we are being squeezed 7 >>margin wise at the low end. Nor is there any evidencee: >>that Sun's market share at the low end is being effected	 >>either.: >> >  > F > 	As usual.  Top posting a nice banter with no supporting evidence orA > 	what would be even more helpful - directly quoting me and theno > 	replying to that quote. >   2 Sorry again incorrect, I supplied you with all the. information you needed to realise that you had4 lost the argument in the posting you were responding to.-  4 Namely the 17% market share gain in the 0-99K market# segment that Sun make last quarter.0  # How much more info did you require.1      I > 	Supporting evidence is always required of me.  And when provided what .I > 	I would call supporting evidence,  instead of countering it with some  > > 	nice facts or editorial opinion outside of yourself, we get8 > 	Top Posted Spinola.  Typical of our British Champion. >   ; It is because you never come up with anything of substance.   9 For example in our previous discussions on eCache and the 5 effects of it on SPEC performance, you came up with a 2 totally spurious claim about maximum on-chip cache3 currently available in any CPU core. 2.25 MB is thes3 right answer BTW. When challenged on your claim you 2 then said you would be getting back to me when you, had done some more research. Silence ensued.  3 I can if you like go back through Deja and pull outT2 a sequence of this kind of exchange that goes back4 to your now famous cut and paste fiasco when FUDDING Sun over eBay.   > 	Spin on Andrew.  - You have to love someone who so clearly needs * to spend more time in self analysis :):):)   Regards  Andrew Harrison.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:29:33 +0100i' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy " Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!0 Message-ID: <alsi9q$i08$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:[ > In article <alnqm4$kk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:c >  > - >>It would seem that the sole reason for HP'sh, >>current stock price being as high as it is+ >>is printing consumables. Hardly reasuring ) >>to customers who are dependant on the 2l* >>hardware business units. At least the HP* >>Wintel folks are prepared to make a stab) >>at dates for returning to profitability , >>but this isn't the case for the people who- >>write OpenVMS and bend the AlphaServer tin.  >  > E >    Why would a profitable group like OpenVMS need to make a stab atr* >    dates for returning to profitability? >   2 Because its part of a group thats losing more than a million dollars a day.  7 How do you stop the losses if you cannot grow revenues.R  8 You reduce expenses, exactly what HP's senior management$ have been saying they will be doing.  % What happens if you reduce expenses ?o  % Ok come on I am bored, you are clever/4 enough to post, you must be clever enough to work it out.  	 Are you ?0   Regards  Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 02:56:28 -0700! From: hoonig@ifrance.com (hoonig)E' Subject: TPU Error using VMS from Linux8= Message-ID: <f9e960db.0209130156.590e7f16@posting.google.com>o   Hi,e  B I'm trying to edit a file in OpenVMS. I'm connected to the OpenVMS1 server by telnet, using kConsole(xterm) in Linux.r  C The problem is i cannot use edit/tpu under VMS with this terminal Id have this VMS error:  2 %TPU-E-NONANSICRT, SYS$INPUT must be supported CRT   What can i do?   Thks   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 10:30:27 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>f+ Subject: Re: TPU Error using VMS from Linux 6 Message-ID: <20020913103027.24191.qmail@nym.alias.net>  2 On 13 Sep 2002, hoonig@ifrance.com (hoonig) wrote: >Hi, >eC >I'm trying to edit a file in OpenVMS. I'm connected to the OpenVMS 2 >server by telnet, using kConsole(xterm) in Linux. > D >The problem is i cannot use edit/tpu under VMS with this terminal I >have this VMS error:- >-3 >%TPU-E-NONANSICRT, SYS$INPUT must be supported CRTo >e >What can i do?r >B >Thksl  J Your terminal type probably isn't correctly set. You may have to make sureF that your Linux terminal emulator reports that it is an appropriate VT" terminal type prior to connecting.     Doc. -- e6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.neta   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:38:27 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>w+ Subject: Re: TPU Error using VMS from Linux , Message-ID: <3D81CE3C.82BF8D94@videotron.ca>  
 hoonig wrote:tE > The problem is i cannot use edit/tpu under VMS with this terminal Iu > have this VMS error: > 4 > %TPU-E-NONANSICRT, SYS$INPUT must be supported CRT  N $ SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE will cause VMS to ask your terminal to identify itself.K If this isn't done, VMS assume you are a very basic TTY device, which can'tg support full screen editors.  H if SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE fails, you can force a particular terminal type: $SET TERM/DEVICE=VT300 or $SET TERM/DEVICE=VT200  I If, upon invocation of TPU, you get garbage, exit ( <CTRL-Z> ) and issue:  	SET TERM/NOEIGHTBIT  I This will force TPU to use the slower 7 bit escape sequences. (some oldertR connections were in 7 bit mode and 8 bit characters had their 8th bit snipped off)   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 11:59:16 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)e+ Subject: Re: TPU Error using VMS from Linux 3 Message-ID: <kiv4SxR2D72j@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  v In article <20020913103027.24191.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:4 > On 13 Sep 2002, hoonig@ifrance.com (hoonig) wrote: >>Hi,  >>D >>I'm trying to edit a file in OpenVMS. I'm connected to the OpenVMS3 >>server by telnet, using kConsole(xterm) in Linux.  >>E >>The problem is i cannot use edit/tpu under VMS with this terminal I* >>have this VMS error: >>4 >>%TPU-E-NONANSICRT, SYS$INPUT must be supported CRT >> >>What can i do? >> >>Thks > L > Your terminal type probably isn't correctly set. You may have to make sureH > that your Linux terminal emulator reports that it is an appropriate VT$ > terminal type prior to connecting.  F Also, try issuing a $ SHOW TERM command when you get on the VMS systemE and see if it is a known terminal type.  The Device_Type: field from oE that output will let you know of the terminal is known.  If it is not A known, then you can set it to a known terminal type by issuing a nE $ SET TERM/DEV=VT100 command.  This should satisfy the %TPU-E-NONANSIyC problem, but you may still have problems with key mapping.  If so, aB check out the recent thread on key mapping in comp.os.vms through  Google newsgroup search.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 12:16:26 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e Subject: Re: UN 3 Message-ID: <Zx4ZMnSiRr5G@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  \ In article <3D8111CB.A18AA360@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:F >>    Influential members of Congress do have access to the secrets heF >>    can't share with the U.N., can't share with the American public,= >>    and even those he probably can't share with Tony Blair.t > M > When there are claims of such secrets that cannot be shared with anyone, itiF > usually means that the information does not exist or was fabricated.  A    Exactly why I'm watching the UK reaction and the CongressionaluD    reaction more than the VP's claims.  There are people in Congress?    who's access the administration cannot block, so there is non4    "cannot be shared with _anyone_" (emphasis mine).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:45:39 +0100e( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Volume Name) Message-ID: <3D81CFE3.20C979D0@127.0.0.1>a   JF Mezei wrote:,  O > In today's context, would it be correct to state that the disk was visible toaP > VMS when VMS was booted, and thus whatever structures were created for it, butP > that since then, VMS has lost contact with the drive ? The device name remains) > but the unit is marked as unreachable ?  > N > In an MSCP served cluster, if Node B goes down,  does Node A still show NodeN > B's disk drives after the mount verification ? If so, would they be shown asQ > "Offline" ?  I know that SHOW DEV/FULL will sometimes say "marked unavailable".    Well corrected, thank you.   -- R? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesM nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:39:41 +02003E From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>xJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on+ Message-ID: <3D81963D.8BB0CC1B@mediasec.de>2  K > You miss my point. I do NOT want to use a Unix shell for some of the sametO > reasons you cite, but the pipe command is a direct interjection of unix shell>N > functionality. So, for that command, and for that command only, it would be * > nice to continue the unix look and feel.  K However, the Unix commands are inconsistent in their usage in pipes anyway.dC Some need the "-" instead of their input (or output), others don't.    	Jan   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:44:46 +0000 (UTC)a+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)oJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on+ Message-ID: <alsj3e$19v$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>t  \ In article <3D80D8DD.C2E6D99B@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >David Webb wrote:K >> Yes I'm totally mystified why Andrew constantly tries to distant the SunHC >> mail products from their PMDF MTA heritage. Sun bought Innosoft.d# >> The PMDF MTA is a great product.  >rM >The way I understand it, Sun essentially dropped PMDF, keeping only bits andwJ >pieces which it integrated into the Netscape product when Sun became goodI >buddies with AOL/Netscape. It would therefore be logical to expect a Suni( >employee to distance himself from PMDF. >oM >Perhaps the purchase of PMDF was just a .COM thing when SUN felt its pocketsrM >were too full of cash. Perhaps the goal of buying innosoft was the buying oflH >its employees instead of the product, as well as destabilising the onlyM >remaining email infrastructure for VMS (remember all the questions about thetI >futire of PMDF that came up when Sun annouced it was buying innosoft ?).a  4 As always events can be spun in many different ways. My understanding is that :-s  L 1) Sun needed a good well proven MTA for their SIMS product. Hence they OEMd    the PMDF MTA.  N 2) A few years later when they started collaborating with AOL on IPlanet they J    originally intended to develop based on just the Netscape products and     move away from SIMS.w  M 3) The MTA they were using with the Netscape products wasn't as good as that nN    in SIMS. Hence they decided to donate SIMS to iPlanet. The only problem wasN    that they didn't own the MTA. (There may well have been other parts of SIMSM    they wanted to donate not just the MTA - but this is a discussion relatinge    to the SIMS and PMDF MTAs).  M 4) They looked at Innosoft to see what they could do to be able to donate thetK    SIMS product to iPlanet. They then saw that Innosoft also had good staff J    who were involved in the writing of a number of the Mime/Mail/LDAP RFCsK    and a fairly well used LDAP server implementation. (The IDDS LDAP server L    obtained when Innosoft purchased Critical Angle was OEMd by a fair number    of LDAP vendors).    O 5) They decided to purchase Innosoft for the products and intellectual capital o    of the staff.  L 6) They discovered that although the PMDF product ran on Solaris most of theL    PMDF users were on VMS or TRU64. Hence they decided to license Process to#    support, sell and develop PMDF. o    O As I say this is my reading of events. I doubt whether when purchasing InnosoftsJ any particular thought was given to destabilising a mail product on VMS orM Tru64. If this was a prime motivator then Sun would not have licensed ProcessaH to continue developing PMDF instead they would have treated it like IDDS1 and hoped that people would move to SIMS/iPlanet.-  K The SunOne suite consists of a lot more than the messaging servers and Sun oL in both SIMS and SunOne has added a lot of functionality of their own around@ the PMDF MTA. That's pretty much expected with any OEMd product.3 However the core of a messaging server is it's MTA.o  K What I objected to was Andrew's ascertion that SIMS was just an IMAP server2P which had been dropped. The reason for the objection was that not only was this E a gross distortion but that Andrew was well aware that it was a gross  distortion.>    
 David Webb VMs and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:03:00 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)eJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on+ Message-ID: <alsk5k$1lv$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>f  n In article <3D80DFBB.4070400@mail.tele.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> writes: >JF Mezei wrote: >c; >2)  I once heard that what SUN really wanted from Innosoft-: >     was the directory server (a good directory server is> >     essential for a modern e-commerce infrastructure today). >  >Arnes >d  N Which is why the iPlanet/Sunone directory server is pretty much totally based  on the Netscape server.zH They may well have wanted some of the staff Innosoft had gained when it M purchased Critical angle such as Mark Wahl who was the main author of LDAPv3.t  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University U   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:42:04 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>fJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on" Message-ID: <3d81eb91@news.si.com>  B >It is a real pity that Sun bought Innosoft (and therefore PMDF).   7 Sun bought Innosoft, but PMDF went to Process Software.  -- oA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comtA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventh< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 10:27:43 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)RJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on3 Message-ID: <2wMDoKvTD7RR@eisner.encompasserve.org>L  V In article <3D810C94.4FE920EA@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net> writes:  K > You miss my point. I do NOT want to use a Unix shell for some of the same O > reasons you cite, but the pipe command is a direct interjection of unix shell R > functionality. So, for that command, and for that command only, it would be nice% > to continue the unix look and feel.f  E    To get PIPE to really have the UNIX look and feel it would have to-F    carry the syntax of various shells, as well as thier command set.  '    I can't really see a need on VMS fora         $pipe/csh ls | morea"       $pipe/ksh grep -i hereis *.c       $pipe/bash ...  B    Instead there have been and will be UNIX shells ported to VMS. /    Typically you could have something more like          $csh ls | more       $ksh grep -i hereis *.c        $bash ...0  A    Except I don't know what the csh from Wollongong gave you, the:4    nearest thing to ksh was posix (IIRC you _could_        $posix grep -i hereis *.clJ    back then), and I don't know if COE will include a bash command in DCL.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:32:20 GMTt( From: Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net>J Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on+ Message-ID: <3D8221E5.4A05DA1F@pacbell.net>0   "Jan C. Vorbrggen" wrote: > M > > You miss my point. I do NOT want to use a Unix shell for some of the same Q > > reasons you cite, but the pipe command is a direct interjection of unix shelloO > > functionality. So, for that command, and for that command only, it would be , > > nice to continue the unix look and feel. > M > However, the Unix commands are inconsistent in their usage in pipes anyway.eE > Some need the "-" instead of their input (or output), others don't.e  N Yes, the Unix commands are inconsistent, but the VMS version would not have toP be. I'm not talking about supporting Unix shells, just the simplicity of the i/o5 symbols in a general sense for use with DCL commands.o   -- t   Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin (@alphase.com) 
 San Franciscoo   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:34:33 GMTI( From: Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net>J Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on+ Message-ID: <3D82226A.25EAF61E@pacbell.net>    Bob Koehler wrote: > X > In article <3D810C94.4FE920EA@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net> writes: > M > > You miss my point. I do NOT want to use a Unix shell for some of the samesQ > > reasons you cite, but the pipe command is a direct interjection of unix shellaT > > functionality. So, for that command, and for that command only, it would be nice' > > to continue the unix look and feel.  > G >    To get PIPE to really have the UNIX look and feel it would have to0F >    carry the syntax of various shells, as well as thier command set.) >    I can't really see a need on VMS fora >  >       $pipe/csh ls | more4$ >       $pipe/ksh grep -i hereis *.c >       $pipe/bash ... > C >    Instead there have been and will be UNIX shells ported to VMS.t1 >    Typically you could have something more like  >  >       $csh ls | more >       $ksh grep -i hereis *.ca >       $bash ...s > C >    Except I don't know what the csh from Wollongong gave you, then5 >    nearest thing to ksh was posix (IIRC you _could_h! >       $posix grep -i hereis *.ctL >    back then), and I don't know if COE will include a bash command in DCL.  ? Your taking this way off track. I'll repeat my response to Jan:0N Yes, the Unix commands are inconsistent, but the VMS version would not have toP be. I'm not talking about supporting Unix shells, just the simplicity of the i/o5 symbols in a general sense for use with DCL commands.  -- E   Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin (@alphase.com) 
 San Francisco)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:29:18 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>U Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on   OpenVMS?c) Message-ID: <3D8185BE.20505@mail.tele.dk>X   Don Sykes wrote:   > Arne Vajhj wrote: >>Is this practical possible ? >>/ >>To do this PIPE should know the syntax of all  >>commands - or ??    G > Yes, but PIPE is really only useful for those commands that allow for O > redirection of sys$output anyway. I don't see using it with a $mount command,4R > for example. I think it only needs to know where input files or strings are used2 > (like in search) and where /output is an option.  9 Admitted - I can not see any particular use of PIPE MOUNTi either.m  2 But I can see use of PIPE in connection some of my3 own programs - and I am afraid VMS Engineering doesn not have a list of those.    Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2002 09:36:59 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)iU Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on   OpenVMS?n3 Message-ID: <h7d6sK6xCwQC@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  ) 	Back to the subject line... How about...t  9 	Since MAXBOB* is obsolete 7.3 and up, add a /FAST switchE@ 	to COPY so that it does a callout to Bob Sampson's FAST_IO_COPY  \ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6ajqur%24nl3%40usenet.pa.dec.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain     				Robp  B Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wondertG Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstreams> The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder  .                                 -- Neil Young    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:59:41 -0400 - From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>u- Subject: Re: [Fwd: Mozilla under  eXcursions]00 Message-ID: <3D81EF4D.9520A90C@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Paddy O'Brien wrote:G > when I try to access Mozilla via eXcursions running on a PC (PII 400,rF > 128MB RAM, W2k) eXcursions consumes nearly 100% CPU and simple tasksG > like scrolling a web page, selecting a menu item, moving a window etcwD > take forever (up to 30 seconds) which make the application totally  P I observe the same awful performance when using CSWB (and Mozilla) running on anP ES40 but displayed on my VAXstation 4000/VLC.  I guess I should be happy that itN works at all, but I was unpleasantly surprised.  From Netscape 3 experience, I was not expecting such a hit.f   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.506 ************************le access levels andK filtering options provide a secure business environment.  NetCatcher allowsiG network users to browse the web at the same time - without adding extralK phone lines or Internet accounts.  NetCatcher is priced competitively underi $300.   ' DNwireless NetCatcher Product Features:oI        Co 宪    宪    宪    宪    宪    宪    宪    宪    宪    	宪    
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