1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 17 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 514       Contents: Re: 7.3-1 craziness  Re: 7.3-1 craziness * Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium  Anyone running CVS?  Re: Anyone running CVS?  Re: Anyone running CVS?  Re: Anyone running CVS?  Re: Anyone running CVS?  ASO 7.3 with XFC V2  Re: BASIC (bug?) Re: BASIC (bug?) Re: Convert Blocks to MB CSWS and mod_put Re: CSWS and mod_put5 Defining a Logical/Symbol/etc for a Hard coded value? 7 Re: Fabio Cardoso Enemy of the United States of America 6 Re: re:hoew to address dqa0:(ide-cdrom) under cdrecord Re: HP website integration Re: HP website integration Re: HP website integration Re: HP website integration> Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish.> Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish. Re: IMAP performance Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT9 Is anyone using kernel threads with the pthread library ?  Re: MAIL suggestion  Re: MAIL suggestion  Re: MAIL suggestion  Re: MAIL suggestion  Re: MAIL suggestion  Re: MAIL suggestion  RE: MAIL suggestion = Re: Micro$oft exec says all os's stink ... forgets about VMS!  Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.$ Re: Non-standard installation of VMS Re: ORD ( RE: ORD (and off-topic posts in general)% Re: Saveset distribution over the web 4 Re: Seeking Senior VMS System Administrator Position Re: SMTP Authentication  Re: SMTP Authentication  SRM Console Variables  SRM Console Variables  Re: Sybase and VMS Symposium Sessions. System service call to know the number of CPUs2 Re: System service call to know the number of CPUs2 RE: System service call to know the number of CPUs2 Re: System service call to know the number of CPUs2 Re: System service call to know the number of CPUs sysuaf and friends Re: sysuaf and friends Re: tcpip client PAK* The cd record package from HP/CPQ + DVD???< The site for Motif Developers - motifzone.net (monthly post)& VERITAS Support for OpenVMS on ItaniumA Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on N Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on     OpenVMS?N Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on     OpenVMS?L Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on   OpenVMS?J Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?" www.openvms.com is available ! ! !  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2002 17:20:49 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: 7.3-1 craziness* Message-ID: <am53th$m28$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  ^ In article <alqdb7$562$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:J :Last night I took the plunge and installed 7.3-1 on my office workstationA :and my nearly-identical hobbyist machine.  Here's what happened:  : G :The process names assigned by SPAWN used to be predictable!  Now I get  : - :    %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process LEWIS_32 spawned  : 0 :when LEWIS_1 through LEWIS_31 don't even exist.  J   This was a performance-related change, and was documented in the manualsH   for the release.  As I figured someone -- and congratulations, you're K   the first one I've heard :-) -- had coded a dependency on this particular H   (undocumented) behaviour, I covered this change in my technical update   talks as well.   :  I had PF1-PF4 defined to M :attach to LEWIS_1 through LEWIS_4 so I could switch between TPU sessions and J :the DCL prompt easily in a single telnet window, now I have to re-work itL :(maybe I'll write a comfile that does SPAWN/PROC=LEWIS_'i' and increments i :until it succeeds).  C   And you clearly also understand why we changed the process names.   C   If you have a set selection of "kept" editing sessions, you could E   also have (sub)processes named FOOEDIT1 through FOOEDIT4 or such...   E   If you can enable virtual terminals, that is another approach here.    :Another thing I'm getting is  : 6 :    %PTHREAD_CONFIG keyword "vp-count=1" is not valid : C :This happens in Mozilla, Java 1.2.2, and Java 1.4.0 (my reason for 4 :upgrading).  I don't know if it's hurting anything.  C   Weird.  I've not seen this with Mozilla or such.  Are you running <   with kernel threads enabled?  Probably via a logical name:  4     $ DEFINE/SYS [/EXEC] PTHREAD_CONFIG "vp-count=1"  A   I believe this "vp-count=1" is rather old syntax and is or may  C   become (will be?) deprecated -- also AFAIK, this setting was only 0   really intended for the DECthreads developers.    H :And the upgrade broke one of my critical communications apps again. NotL :sure if it was the VMS 7.3 to 7.3-1 or the TCPIP 5.0A to 5.3 that did it.    I   I would be VERY cautious here, as I'm aware of exceedingly few problems J   that have been caused within applications by V7.3-1.  I would definitelyG   check for unsynchronized or erroneous coding constructs, as I know of H   applications that had "cratered" when XFC had altered the asynchronousG   operation timings.  (See Ask The Wizard topic (1661) for some tips on J   what to look for here -- most any code is vulnerable to latent bugs, butH   timing-related bugs are particularly seen with applications containingB   asynchronous code constructs and with execution on SMP systems.)  K :Last time around I was able to fix it by relinking on the upgraded system; K :now I'm thinking about changing the distribution so that I ship .OLB files , :and a script to produce the .EXE they need.  B   This means you get to troubleshoot on-site links, and you get toD   rebuild when you need to incorporate a change within an underlyingC   RTL.  (The 10K day LIBRTL forced folks that linked to relink, for D   instance -- folks that had applications built against the RTLs had   simply to restart.)    I :                                           Right now I link in-house and F :ship the .EXE.  Does anybody have an opinion about which is better?    ,   I prefer to use RTLs and shareable images.  = :I know Wollongong used to ship some .OLBs back in the day...   F   I remember the pain of relinking from my days as a consumer of theseF   object libraries, and I remember the pain of supporting these objectG   libraries.  I prefer to use and to provide RTLs and shareable images, E   as these are far easier to maintain and support, easier to upgrade, F   and particularly easier to troubleshoot.  Shareable images also tendG   to encourage more thought be given to modularity and code reuse, too.   E :My final gotcha was my REPLY/ALL stopped working due to lack of OPER M :privilege.  I added an INSTALL command to SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM to fix it, but I L :wonder why it worked before.  Did it not need that priv under 7.3 or what?   D   REPLY/ALL has always required OPER.  On no evidence, I would guessA   that someone had installed the REPLY image with this privilege.    	--   I   As is usual, if you "get creative" -- and I can be occassionally guilty G   of this "(mis)use" of undocumneted features, as well -- and you stray H   outside of what is documented, then the resulting application code canG   be broken by an OpenVMS ECO or an OpenVMS upgrade.  But I'd also look D   for latent coding bugs too, since these can be exceedingly subtle.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:27:59 +0000 (UTC) - From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)  Subject: Re: 7.3-1 craziness. Message-ID: <am7hlv$gh7$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  } hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes in article <am53th$m28$1@web1.cup.hp.com> dated 16 Sep 2002 17:20:49 GMT:  >:Another thing I'm getting is >:7 >:    %PTHREAD_CONFIG keyword "vp-count=1" is not valid  >:D >:This happens in Mozilla, Java 1.2.2, and Java 1.4.0 (my reason for5 >:upgrading).  I don't know if it's hurting anything.  > D >  Weird.  I've not seen this with Mozilla or such.  Are you running= >  with kernel threads enabled?  Probably via a logical name:  > 5 >    $ DEFINE/SYS [/EXEC] PTHREAD_CONFIG "vp-count=1"   A Logical name, eh?  [checks] It was a process logical name, set in I JAVA$122_SETUP.COM.  I just changed SYLOGIN to use JAVA$140_SETUP.COM and  the behavior went away.   B >  I believe this "vp-count=1" is rather old syntax and is or may D >  become (will be?) deprecated -- also AFAIK, this setting was only1 >  really intended for the DECthreads developers.   5 Somebody let it slip out in a Java beta kit, I think.   I >:And the upgrade broke one of my critical communications apps again. Not M >:sure if it was the VMS 7.3 to 7.3-1 or the TCPIP 5.0A to 5.3 that did it.    > J >  I would be VERY cautious here, as I'm aware of exceedingly few problemsK >  that have been caused within applications by V7.3-1.  I would definitely H >  check for unsynchronized or erroneous coding constructs, as I know ofI >  applications that had "cratered" when XFC had altered the asynchronous H >  operation timings.  (See Ask The Wizard topic (1661) for some tips onK >  what to look for here -- most any code is vulnerable to latent bugs, but I >  timing-related bugs are particularly seen with applications containing C >  asynchronous code constructs and with execution on SMP systems.)   H I'll check it out in time.  The app in question is mostly doing C socketI library stuff in combination with event flags and maybe a global section.   L Thanks for your thoughts on shipping OLBs, Hoff.  I do agree with you on theF use of shareable images, I'm not sure why relinking these EXEs makes aL difference.  In fact I haven't even verified that it does in this case, yet.  E >  REPLY/ALL has always required OPER.  On no evidence, I would guess B >  that someone had installed the REPLY image with this privilege.  K The "someone" on my hobbyist system was definitely me, and it's the sort of J thing I would do, but I couldn't find any evidence in SYSTARTUP_VMS that IL had ever done it.  And yes the machine did reboot a couple times -- once dueH to a power failure and once to reset the audio device (since then I haveK discovered that I can accomplish the reset by killing my audio app and then E running MMOV$SHUTDOWN and MMOV$STARTUP).  Why REPLY worked without an L INSTALL command is a mystery; but given that it's now working as documented, not an important one.    Thanks again for your input.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2002 06:29:12 -0700* From: ken.randell@fortel.com (Ken Randell)3 Subject: Re: Alpha + PA-RISC = Itanium Frankenstein = Message-ID: <8debc3ff.0209170529.42cbb070@posting.google.com>   w "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<8Img9.253979$kp.879230@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>...    <snip>   > F > Well, as of a month ago, HP's WINDJAMMER was still there in Auckland
 > Harbour. >  > WINDJAMMER? Oops...   F What's the big deal about this???  This 'codename' has been around for: some time, as evidenced by google posts, as well as below:  $ On a 7.2-1 system, do the following:  + $SEARCH SYS$LIBRARY:LIB.REQ HWRPB_MEMBER_ID   : For even more codenames, try the search on a 7.3-1 system.  B Admittedly, I'm not sure what translates to what, but isn't one of GRANITE or PRIVATEER the DS25?   Ken Randell    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:01:33 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium> Message-ID: <12wh9.275757$Rx4.3481694@twister.tampabay.rr.com>  7 "Ken Randell" <ken.randell@fortel.com> wrote in message - news:zOvh9.251$GO2.41@nwrddc04.gnilink.net...    > Budgets are like that. >      Yeah, they are!    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2002 22:29:19 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <Uk5YgBLxYicY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3D8646AE.604C20E3@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:N >>         But who cares?  If $200 difference (is that reasonable?) leaves outL >>         6 attendees and the conference is sold out... help me out... what  >>         was your point again? > L > If you exclude southwest and jetblue, most major airlines what to charge aL > different FAR above $200 for weekday versus weekend travel. In the case foN > JFK-LAX, the difference is closer to $1000 between full unrestricted weekday? > fares and the low cost fares that require saturday stay over.  >   ? 	I suppose a fool or someone with money to burn , etc. , etc. , . 	would buy the most expensive fare they could.  # > define "conference is sold out".    > 	Each seat set aside at the facility is taken.  As an example,7 	Encompass in St. Louis may be capable of handling 6000 @ 	attendees (maybe more, maybe less but let's pick a number) if 	@ 	you happen to be the 6001 potential customer they would have to? 	turn you down as they are lacking a resource in one or several  	areas to support you.  - > If you set out to get 10 attendees, and you F > get 10, then one can consider it a success. But what if changing theO > schedule/Location could have gotten you 50 attendees ? That would represent a  > 500% increase.    @ 	Yes.  But what if changing the location costs you twice as muchE 	money to sponsor the event?  Exceeding revenues brought in.  Do you  G 	do it?  Of course not, as you have a budget to spend.  So if money is  F 	set aside up front (the way a budget works), you spend what you have G 	available.  Flying engineers and housing them costs money.  Makes far  G 	more sense for the customer/consumer to spend it if possible.  In this E 	case, not only possible but what is happening.  To top it off, maybe > 	50-100 of them show up whereas a distant conference leaves 20D 	engineering billets available.  Plus they just get done doing just G 	that, sending engineers to St. Louis.  Certainly can't turn around and D 	do it again in a month one would imagine.  This way, a win-win for  	management and engineers.    N > I think that any conference organiser today needs to take into considerationP > the various airfares and their restrictions, especially in light of the recentP > changes that may result in far more expensive flying. If you mis you flight onP > some airlines/tickets, you'll have to buy a brand new ticket to get back home,N > and the value of the original ticket isn't re-usable against purchase of the
 > new ticket.     < 	So , if the VMS conference is sold out, what was your point 	again?    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:57:37 +1000 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium, Message-ID: <3D86FC91.4010201@tg.nsw.gov.au>   John N. wrote:9 > "Ken Randell" <ken.randell@fortel.com> wrote in message / > news:zOvh9.251$GO2.41@nwrddc04.gnilink.net...  >  >  >>Budgets are like that. >> >  >     Yeah, they are!  >   ( [You've brought on seething frustration]  H Some are.  Depends which section/dept you are in.  Our IT seems to have H an unlimited budget to keep BG happy and employ contractors willy-nilly     in their vendetta against VMS.  G Our engineering section which effectively is part of the raison d'etre  D of our org (part because my engineering colleagues are planners and I investigators into control system analysis, and I write/maintain progams  H to assist them -- and the other large engineering section gets to build I the things) has a very limited budget.  The PHMs in HR, Finance, IT need  G to ensure that their staff can email PowerPoint and Gifs to each other.   H When I wanted to upgrade the memory of my development (old -- but still @ working well) DECstation 300 from 96 to 128, I went through the & equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition.  H When BG says jump through the hoop, get my latest and greatest OS (but, I you'll need new PCs to run it -- and BIG bucks) our IT jumps through the  H hoop.  Everyone (but luckily not moi) gets a new PC and cannot work for 0 3/4 days until the contractors get things going.  H Looks as if I'll have to be put out to stud earlier than anticipated :-)   [Seething frustration off]   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment."   G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2002 06:45:04 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <bqhCUpw$8fE9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <Uk5YgBLxYicY@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: ^ > In article <3D8646AE.604C20E3@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  . >> If you set out to get 10 attendees, and youG >> get 10, then one can consider it a success. But what if changing the P >> schedule/Location could have gotten you 50 attendees ? That would represent a >> 500% increase.  >  > B > 	Yes.  But what if changing the location costs you twice as much > 	money to sponsor the event?  E Or what if it decreased the quality of the event by reducing engineer F participation ?  Employees are not pieces of hardware to be redeployed= on corporate whim.  If you try that, at some point they quit.   D For that matter, increasing the customer to HP ratio is not quite an8 advantage for those customers who _do_ manage to attend.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:47:04 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium* Message-ID: <am4ue0$lte$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Alan,   E Your point about notice is well taken.  This will be an annual event.    Room rate is $92   sue     1 <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote in message 2 news:00A13ECE.CA7F942C@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...7 > In article <3D822F92.67159844@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei & <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > >Fred Kleinsorge wrote: K > >> And your point is?  Yup.  Standard stuff.  If enough people are at the G > >> hotel, and at the conference, the cheaper it is overall to put on.  > > K > >However, for those with limited budgets, using an expensive hotel may be  a  > >show stopper. > > K > I have _no_ travel budget this year, and didn't get enough notice of this  event B > - which sounds like a great event, and which I sure hope will be
 repeated - to  > do anything about it.  > L > I don't know what rates HP has negotiated.  I know the Sheraton Tara hosts all C > kind of conferences and conventions and is very unlikely stick HP 	 attendees L > with the "rack" rate.  However, there are a ton of places to stay that areK > quite close by.  I've stayed in the Travelodge (something like $90/single K > $100/double two years ago) and in a motel that was $70 for two last year. K > That really, really shouldn't be a showstopper.  I can even recommend the F > Natick Cab Company, who will make an appointment to pick you up at a
 particularK > time and actually be there then, in case you're staying too far away from  the  > Tara to walk.  > K > >Of course, it depends on whether you would have negotiated a competitive  rateG > >for guests or whether the hotel will still charge guests a very high  rate, K > >which may turn away customers. Providing a low cost alternative is still  good, I > >unless you are interested in only attracting the few customers who are  flush 4 > >with cash and have no budget travel restrictions. > J > There are a bunch of low cost alternatives in the near neighborhood.  HP isn't K > _requiring_ people to stay at the Tara, they're recommending it.  There's  no9 > conscionable way to paint this as an exclusionary move.  > 	 > -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:44:05 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium* Message-ID: <am4u88$lri$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  J ok folks I am really laughing now.  All I can imagine is a folks in shirtsF that have large COV on the back (like POW) sitting behind bullet proof glass.  L To tell the truth the engineers here are wonderful and if you can talk aboutH VMS with some intelligence you are accepted. (they make an exception for me). sue     : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D8251D0.13F79346@videotron.ca... > Paul Anderson wrote:G > > All particpants in comp.os.vms will be required to have the letters % > > C-O-V painted on their foreheads.  > H > Or a target painted on their back ?  If you get lots of "John Doe" who workI > for "Acme Inc" show up, you'll know why some choose to remain anonymous  :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:21:09 GMT ) From: Jack Fortune <jcfortune3@fedex.com>  Subject: Anyone running CVS?- Message-ID: <1103_1032272469@news.cis.dfn.de>   L I'm trying to termine the feasability of running CVS in my 7.2-1 VMSCluster.  F Has anyone successfully downloaded and built the kit from the website?  + 	http://www.cvshome.org/cyclic/cvs/vms.html   Y What other unix utilities would have to be running in order to extract and build the kit?   * Any info or opinions would be appreciated.     Jack Fortune FedEx Trade Networks Atlanta, Georgia     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:34:58 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>   Subject: Re: Anyone running CVS?, Message-ID: <3D873D7B.7040907@theblakes.com>  B It builds and runs just fine. There's a couple of fixes I made to 5 address problems I found. Look in the VMS section on  K http://www.cvshome.org/cyclic/cvs/dev-port.html and you'll find my patches.    Colin.   >    >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:36:01 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG   Subject: Re: Anyone running CVS?0 Message-ID: <00A141BE.7B37C6B5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <1103_1032272469@news.cis.dfn.de>, Jack Fortune <jcfortune3@fedex.com> writes:  > M >I'm trying to termine the feasability of running CVS in my 7.2-1 VMSCluster.  > G >Has anyone successfully downloaded and built the kit from the website?  > , >	http://www.cvshome.org/cyclic/cvs/vms.html > Z >What other unix utilities would have to be running in order to extract and build the kit? > + >Any info or opinions would be appreciated.  >  > 
 >Jack Fortune  >FedEx Trade Networks  >Atlanta, Georgia  >  >   6 If it's for VMS development get yourself a VMS tool.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:08:11 -0700 , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: Anyone running CVS?4 Message-ID: <am7ggs$3c5pt$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  * <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A141BE.7B37C6B5@SendSpamHere.ORG...< > In article <1103_1032272469@news.cis.dfn.de>, Jack Fortune <jcfortune3@fedex.com> writes: > > C > >I'm trying to termine the feasability of running CVS in my 7.2-1  VMSCluster.  > > I > >Has anyone successfully downloaded and built the kit from the website?  > > . > > http://www.cvshome.org/cyclic/cvs/vms.html > > I > >What other unix utilities would have to be running in order to extract  and build the kit? > > - > >Any info or opinions would be appreciated.  > >  > >  > >Jack Fortune  > >FedEx Trade Networks  > >Atlanta, Georgia  > >  > >  > 6 > If it's for VMS development get yourself a VMS tool. > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  J Just suppose one thought having portable code was a good idea?  Like so it could run on VMS, Windows and L Linux?  Then putting a CVS client on VMS and having the repository available from all platforms is a  very useful setup.  K At least I think so.  At my current employer, this has kept VMS as a living H environment and ensured it's continued usage a lot more effectively than5 building a fence around it by keeping "non-VMS" tools  away.    Jim    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:23:16 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>   Subject: Re: Anyone running CVS?, Message-ID: <3D8764EC.4070808@theblakes.com>   Bernard Giroud wrote:   D >Do you mean it runs as a server, or at least as a local repository? > G I'm talking about the CVS client. As far as I know, the server has not   been ported.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:29:47 +0200 5 From: "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>  Subject: ASO 7.3 with XFC V2$ Message-ID: <3d86de3c@news.euriware>  
     Hello,  J     I've just installed the latest VMS ECO on my 7.3 cluster. I've enabled@ XFC and I'm running ASO 7.3ECO1. Does anyone already done this ?J     What about the caching attributes of the "domain." file (which is very very very fragile) ?       Regards  -- Philippe Bocher # philippe.bocher"nospam"@euriware.fr    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:27:32 -0700 2 From: "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> Subject: Re: BASIC (bug?) 2 Message-ID: <am5sue$7j7$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>  ( I suspect two things are happening here.  & 1.  your default integer type is long.7 2.  your declarations are identical and not in conflict      with each other.  9 Try other identical declarations and see the the compiler 8 complains.  If these are also accepted, I wonder what it2 does with more complex declarations, like records?    - Joe <cstranslations@msn.com> wrote in message 7 news:d56d1c2d.0209161256.637ded73@posting.google.com... # > BASIC V1.2-000 on OpenVMS 7.1-1H2  > BASIC V1.4-000 on OpenVMS 7.3  > @ > Can someone come up with a plausible explanation as to why the) > compiler doesn't barf on the following:  >  >  > option type = explicit > % > declare long     constant false = 0 % > declare integer  constant false = 0    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2002 08:07:03 -0700" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) Subject: Re: BASIC (bug?) = Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0209170707.319cdc2f@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D868630.1A033061@videotron.ca>... ) > > > declare long     constant false = 0 ) > > > declare integer  constant false = 0  > P > Is it possible that the compiler will just overwrite the first with the second > definition ? > 5 > What happens if you have   long constant false = 1  " > 					 integer constant false = 2 > N > Would the compiler then complain ? And inside the program, what values would > be used ?  > P > Is it possible that in your program, all arguments are strongly typed and if aK > function requires a long, then the "long" false will be passed, and if it 6 > requires a integer, then the integer will be passed.   In the case of something like:  " declare long    constant false = 1" declare integer constant false = 2  ? the compiler "barfs" which I would expect (I would expect it to $ complain about the 1st bit of code).  @ As far as the 1st case (declaring false as an integer and a longD equating to 0) I have a hard time believing in a "strongly typed" orD constant overloading argument (someone here suggested it in a jokingB manner). Where is any "context" going to come from so the compilerE knows which one to use? In C/C++ one could argue case sensitivity but B the code was all lower case and BASIC isn't case sensitive anyway.? According to the compiler listing there is only one allocation:    Named constants     7 Name                               Type           Value   3 FALSE                              Long           1     D I haven't dug through the release notes to see if anything along the@ lines of the above is mentioned. It would seem like a bug to me.D Suppose if no one from the compiler group chimes in I'll send it off; to support via the "proper channels" and see what they say.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2002 09:59:30 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB 3 Message-ID: <64w6teTGaz$0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <3D83E4FA.7E9AB2B@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > Carl Perkins wrote: 	 >> [snip] G >> Just for the record, I do understand your point. Better than you do,  >> in fact.  > H > No, you don't. You repeatedly have stated that you refuse to with thatH > nonsense about the subject line. You haven't so much as made an effortG > to understand, or even consider the possibility of a paradigm outside  > your own.   3 Yes he does.  You're the idiot here.  Just shut up.   G > That is, most of the time. 2000 never will be a power of two. Neither  > will 500. Get over it.  ; And 1024 will never be a power of ten.  So. Frigging. What?   D > ...or so you say. In my line of work, errors of that magnitude are& > potentially lethal on a grand scale.  A Yeah.  And in your line of work, errors of that magnitude are way  way down in the noise too.   So.  Frigging.  What?    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:22:19 -0400 (EDT) ( From: Alan Simon <SIMON@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG> Subject: CSWS and mod_put 0 Message-ID: <01KMLRCK475W9DJA3W@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG>   Hello -   M I would appreciate it if someone who has successfully compiled and linked the M mod_put module for use with CSWS would email me the proper commands.  When I   try using these commands:   7 $ cc /lis /define=(eapi) /pointer_size=32 /prefix=all - K     /include=(apache$common:[src.include],apache$common:[src.os.openvms]) -      mod_put * $ link/share/map mod_put,sys$input:/option APACHE$HTTPD_SHR/SHARE  0 I get this error in the APACHE$$SERVER.LOG file:   Can't locate API module structure `mod_put' in file /apache$common/modules/mod_put.exe_alpha: %LIB-E-KEYNOTFOU, key not found in tree   K I'm running OpenVMS 7.3-1, Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS 5.3, and CSWS  T1.3.    Thanks very much for your help.    Alan  O ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ Alan Simon                                      simon@hslc.org  E Associate Director                              simon@shrsys.hslc.org G Health Sciences Libraries Consortium            VOICE: (215) 222-1532   E 3600 Market Street, Suite 550                     FAX: (215) 222-0416  Philadelphia, PA  19104 O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:02:51 -0700 , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CSWS and mod_put 4 Message-ID: <am7g6s$3c4gc$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  J You need to "export" the module data structure so it can be located by the dso @ loader.  Down the bottom of mod_put.c you will find a line like:  % module MODULE_VAR_EXPORT PUT_MODULE =    Make your link like this:   * $ link/share/map mod_put,sys$input:/option   SYMBOL_VECTOR=(PUT_MODULE=DATA) APACHE$HTTPD_SHR/SHARE  ? See:  http://www.decus.de/slides/sy2001/vortraege_2604/3d01.pdfn  D (Yes, I know it's not in English, but the link command is readable).   Jimu    5 "Alan Simon" <SIMON@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG> wrote in messagep* news:01KMLRCK475W9DJA3W@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG...	 > Hello -u > K > I would appreciate it if someone who has successfully compiled and linkeda the L > mod_put module for use with CSWS would email me the proper commands.  When In > try using these commands:  >p9 > $ cc /lis /define=(eapi) /pointer_size=32 /prefix=all -  >oK     /include=(apache$common:[src.include],apache$common:[src.os.openvms]) - 
 >     mod_pute, > $ link/share/map mod_put,sys$input:/option > APACHE$HTTPD_SHR/SHARE >t2 > I get this error in the APACHE$$SERVER.LOG file: >o5 > Can't locate API module structure `mod_put' in fileUL /apache$common/modules/mod_put.exe_alpha: %LIB-E-KEYNOTFOU, key not found in tree >PH > I'm running OpenVMS 7.3-1, Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS 5.3, and CSWS > T1.3.i >i! > Thanks very much for your help.F >w > Alan >rL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----.@ > Alan Simon                                      simon@hslc.orgG > Associate Director                              simon@shrsys.hslc.org G > Health Sciences Libraries Consortium            VOICE: (215) 222-1532 G > 3600 Market Street, Suite 550                     FAX: (215) 222-0416g > Philadelphia, PA  19104cL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----a >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:57:14 +0000 2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>> Subject: Defining a Logical/Symbol/etc for a Hard coded value?3 Message-ID: <20020917165714.A9092@eisenschmidt.org>   B I'm just going to take a chance on this once, though I know it's a	 longshot.o  C We have an amazing, terrific, wonderful client server app here that D grew out of a mainframe release (it's a billing system). In order toE run a billing, it has a job stream where you perform several separate E steps (select --> update --> post --> register --> report), which areiF all separate programs. Each program accepts runtime parameters (cards)/ which need to be updated before each step runs.E  > Before Client Server, this took the form of a COBOL program, aE Paramter Card, and a DCL script that put them all together. In ClientwD Server, they've taken the same paradigm but stuck it in a GUI. UsersF fill out a form (to create the parameter card) and when the process isA started the GUI builds intermediate DCL on the Alpha and runs the  script (all mashed together).d  C Anyway, they hardcoded some values into each step and I'm trying to!F weed them out. It looks like most of them are calls to a COM file thatE defines a fist full of logicals. I'm moving this app to a new system,sE and the disk names have changed, so while I'm going to try and fix it2D everywhere, I'm wondering if I can define a logical/symbol/something( in case I miss one. The line looks like:   @dra0:[foo.bar]baz.com  C Which I'm planning to replace everywhere I can with something like:y  ! @LOGICAL:baz.com or just @LOGICALw  C but I'd like to sort of cover my ass in case I miss one. Is there adB way I can do something to replace dra0:[foo.bar] with LOGICAL when it's called?  C This data is stored in a LONG in Oracle, so I can't just search andeE replace text files, or even get at the data in the database easily to > be sure I got it all. The vendor has been...less than helpful.   Thanks,h John   -- a/ John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>cC    Public Key   |  http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/pgp.ascaD    Fingerprint  |  5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2J Is this mail an attachment? http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:39:01 +0100a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> @ Subject: Re: Fabio Cardoso Enemy of the United States of America8 Message-ID: <rg8eou8ae208v6dp6hitssootune2be4ku@4ax.com>  D On 11 Sep 2002 10:29:40 -0600, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:   >sA >	Any Rush fans?  How about YYZ?  Is that a great instrumental or 	 >	what?  m  D So that's where it came from. I never realised that Canada named its airports after Rush tracks :)o   >p >			Ontario  Airport Codes >i  + >			Toronto (Lester B. Pearson Int'l) 	YYZ 0 >			Windsor 	YQG u >a >				Rob   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2002 09:41:14 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)v? Subject: Re: re:hoew to address dqa0:(ide-cdrom) under cdrecord-- Message-ID: <3d86dc9a.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>t  H In article <am5arn$qmf$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: |>I |>In article <cGnh9.69562$z91.2704163@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "mhr"o! |><mreilly36@comcast.net> writes:pJ |>:I have the dq driver installed; I'm trying to set the device target forG |>:cdrecord, such as dev=0,4,0 for a scsi. By the way, your DVD programi |>workspI |>:great, just trying to see if cd-rw with ide drives would work as well.e |>G |>  If you do not have a DKA400: device around, try defining the DKA400w |>stringA |>  as a logical name translating to your DQ device name, and uses |>"dev=0,4,0".I |>  Alternatively, the device parsing within the CDRECORD tool could alsof |>beE |>  modified as the tool (eventually) constructs the DK device name. b |>Search@ |>  for DK, and replace it with DQ.  (The command option parsing |>implementationI |>  within CDRECORD is somewhat more involved than I had expected, thoughe |>thisE |>  is apparently a direct outcome of the structuring of the CDRECORDt |>code.) |> |>2 |> ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> |>----------------------------- 5 |>      For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --h |>www.openvms.compaq.com    4 |> --------------------------- pure personal opinion |>---------------------------e3 |>   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering    |>hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com |> |>   The syntax is:   8,0,0 = dqa0 9,0,0 = dqb0
 10,0,0 = dqc0i
 11,0,0 = dqd0i   eberhard   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2002 07:25:11 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e# Subject: Re: HP website integration 3 Message-ID: <qvM16DIpLK3x@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  \ In article <3D86BF5A.1BA33D52@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > O > Has HP decided that the "Compaq" brand was more important than the HP brand ?rI > Or have they stumbled onto various problems that prevented true producto; > integration between the compaq and hp folks/departments ?a  F    Stores still carry both HP and Compaq brands, and HP has noted thisE    does increase frontage, an important part of getting customers (inn<    many markets vendors pay for frontage in grocery stores).  B    In order to keep this going, HP needs to keep the illusion thatG    Compaq, more importantly Compaq products, differ from HP.  So CompaqsF    PCs willl need to look different from HP PCs, and Compaq web pages +    need to look separate from HP web pages.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2002 07:35:49 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t# Subject: Re: HP website integration 3 Message-ID: <$9aJ0qC0J7pf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <qvM16DIpLK3x@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:a^ > In article <3D86BF5A.1BA33D52@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >> eP >> Has HP decided that the "Compaq" brand was more important than the HP brand ?J >> Or have they stumbled onto various problems that prevented true product< >> integration between the compaq and hp folks/departments ? > H >    Stores still carry both HP and Compaq brands, and HP has noted thisG >    does increase frontage, an important part of getting customers (ini> >    many markets vendors pay for frontage in grocery stores).  D And stores have noticed it as well.  There was a story that Best BuyB was cutting back on HP/Compaq shelf space because the same company has two brands.S  A Personally, I think a lot of good web information was lost due toH8 excessive zeal in eliminating pages that said "Digital".   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:46:56 -0400); From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>v# Subject: Re: HP website integration $ Message-ID: <3d8732ad$2@news.si.com>  G >So, 6 months after the birth of the new HP, 6 months after Winkler hadT braggedFK >about having integrated the two company's web sites, it seems that the web,' >sites are not so integrated after all.n  K I noticed that, too, last night.  I'm buying a new PC and wanted to examinelF HP's offerings.  http://thenew.hp.com/ directs me to Compaq web sites. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2002 08:07:38 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)# Subject: Re: HP website integrationd= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0209170707.34291be7@posting.google.com>s  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D86BF5A.1BA33D52@videotron.ca>...oP > On may 7th, when Carly and Curly gave birth, Winkler made a big deal about the- > integration of the two company's web sites.l > B > ....  available at http://www.compaq.com/products/desktops. .... > P > So, 6 months after the birth of the new HP, 6 months after Winkler had braggedL > about having integrated the two company's web sites, it seems that the web( > sites are not so integrated after all. > O > Has HP decided that the "Compaq" brand was more important than the HP brand ?fI > Or have they stumbled onto various problems that prevented true producte; > integration between the compaq and hp folks/departments ?e  E Or else maybe they learned a lesson after the utter disaster that wasu? the DEC to Compaq web transition, where information disappearedn@ wholesale, became unlocateable unless you had old bookmarks, gotB shipped out (remember networks.digital.com disappeared many months> before compaq finally made 'archive' and 'legacy' network infoE available), etc.  That and the nearly total lack of response from the E compaq 'webmasters' to requests and complaints (I'm not talking abouttD the VMS webmaster, who was always responsive even when he was unable  to help due to corporate edict).  B Of course Winkler probably doesn't care about that part, but maybe
 someone does.y   Rich Jordant   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:57:52 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> G Subject: Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish.-; Message-ID: <01KMLQ7A4H1U9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > I am seeking a replacement for the existing character-cell menu systemK > presently used for the OpenVMS Freeware, and submissions of a replacement H > HTML-based menuing system would be appreciated.  (The existing menuingD > system is good, but does not particularly lend itself to the web.)  G Can it please be an additional option, not a replacement?  Only rarely bH do web interfaces work better than character-cell interfaces which they 1 replace.  Not all folks will use it over the web.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:54:21 +0100w( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>G Subject: Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish. ) Message-ID: <3D8717ED.2B799DE9@127.0.0.1>t   Phillip Helbig wrote:  > J > > I am seeking a replacement for the existing character-cell menu systemM > > presently used for the OpenVMS Freeware, and submissions of a replacement J > > HTML-based menuing system would be appreciated.  (The existing menuingF > > system is good, but does not particularly lend itself to the web.) > H > Can it please be an additional option, not a replacement?  Only rarelyI > do web interfaces work better than character-cell interfaces which they-3 > replace.  Not all folks will use it over the web.   G Works for me perfectly well with LYNX, character cell based. Is it overi7 the web or a local file? Shouldn't matter to a browser.i -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences, nclews at csc dot comn   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:43:15 -0600 (MDT)d" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> Subject: Re: IMAP performanceaF Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0209170734150.8310-100000@athena.csdco.com>  $ On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, JF Mezei wrote:   > Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > =20r4 > > Sounds to me as if UCS 5.3 IMAP is not ready for > > serious usage yet !r >=20L > In all fairness, perhaps the ridiculous consumption of memory and time sp= enttL > was due to the mail being /FOREIGN instead of a message already in mime s= toredIL > as text. Maybe I should try to put into my vms mailbox a bona fide intern= et/ > "format" large message and see how it reacts.n >=20   JF,t  I PMDF IMAP works quite well in day in, day out production although as ArnemB said, requires quite a bit of processor capacity.  One EV6/500 forH somewhere around 800 active users (IMAP+POP3) sending the usual horribleJ mix of Word, Excel, jpgs, and quoted-printable.  That is with Sophos virusC scanning with uudecode turned on. The big problem is disk space andtH backup.  POP3 is much kinder with disk space as the messages usually endG up spread around on various PCs and then lost, a Darwinesque, automatedo9 pruning process as opposed to IMAP which just keeps them.   E To test robustness of PMDF IMAP, I tried the following:  with an IMAPnK connected PC over a T1, sent a 150mb message out through VMS to myself. =20OH I picked an address that was an alias processed by a Unix machine so theG message went PC - VMS - Unix - VMS - PC, virus scanned twice.  The sent J mail folder for the PC was on the VMS machine so an additional copy of theC message was processed for that folder.  After happily and patientlytJ realizing that nothing timed out, I saw that the throughput was reasonable5 considering line speed, disk i/o, and virus scanning.n  
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:29:53 +0100t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERTl8 Message-ID: <8m7eouool8dv1lqmhfu6g9n20j892apu94@4ax.com>  F On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:55:11 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  L >the Shrub (his captives are for the most part willing).  Neither appears toL >be a 'terrorist sympathizer and/or proponent', but both could reasonably beK >considered 'terrorists' by those on or potentially on the receiving end oft >their military actions.  E When in Chicago last week I saw posters proclaiming "Drug Dealers are F Terrorists." Don't know who put them up,  As the USA probably has moreF drug dealers than virtually any other nation in the world (even if you? only went with size) does this mean that the US is a "terroristb? harbouring nation" in the eyes of those who put up the posters?e   >S >- bill  >s >-   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:34:52 +0100r% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>9% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT 8 Message-ID: <578eouk2iu8jahdc8hu0m965gqcmadeqv9@4ax.com>  F On 12 Sep 2002 12:52:57 -0600, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:    F >   I was much more sceptical of George W. Bush before Tony Blair cameE >   out in his support.  I don't think the PM is that easy to sway orsI >   leans toward anywhere near the same politics.  I do believe that Bush'1 >   gave Blair details that he can't make public.l  C British Intelligence is very active in the middle east and has beenn for a long time you know...    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:05:29 +0200aA From: Nathan Rozentals <nathan.rozentals@cpt.softwarefutures.com>sB Subject: Is anyone using kernel threads with the pthread library ?6 Message-ID: <3D8744B9.7080806@cpt.softwarefutures.com>  	 Dear All,tJ Is anyone using multiple kernel threads with the pthread runtime library ?F We are having problems with standard io routines sprintf(), fprintf()  when running threading on VMS.@ Also, how do I find out what runtime libraries are thread-safe ?  1 We're on 7.3, with the latest PTHREAD 0300 echo .i  7 Any info / suggestions / contacts would be appreciated.n   Nathan Rozentals,o) Software Futures, Cape Town, South africa    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:53:55 +0100 (MET)d9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>* Subject: Re: MAIL suggestion; Message-ID: <01KMLQ3BF6AQ9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  G > Although I sympathise with the idea of hiding the headers (or as someeJ > users would say getting rid of all that crud at the top of the message).F > You must make it very easy for the user to display those headers andE > most importantly to be able to forward those headers along with thec > message. e  % $  TCPIP SET CONF SMTP/OPTION=HEADERSv  A This will put them at the bottom.  REALLY nice when just hitting i3 keypad 0 to scan the beginning of several messages.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:37:43 GMTs* From: Mark Boyes <Mark.Boyes@hp.comdespam> Subject: Re: MAIL suggestion1 Message-ID: <rRBh9.4$XO3.148617@news.cpqcorp.net>e   Phillip Helbig wrote: G >>Although I sympathise with the idea of hiding the headers (or as some J >>users would say getting rid of all that crud at the top of the message).F >>You must make it very easy for the user to display those headers andE >>most importantly to be able to forward those headers along with thes >>message.   >  > ' > $  TCPIP SET CONF SMTP/OPTION=HEADERS> > C > This will put them at the bottom.  REALLY nice when just hitting 65 > keypad 0 to scan the beginning of several messages.r  I Though note that if your users move to a client connected to the OpenVMS tH TCP/IP Services IMAP server, the server will not recognise such headers B as being headers: instead the To/From/CC/Subj from the top of the  message will be mapped.   
 Mark Boyes Former IMAP developer    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:55:19 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a Subject: Re: MAIL suggestion; Message-ID: <01KMLS8H9GEU9QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>f  J > Though note that if your users move to a client connected to the OpenVMSI > TCP/IP Services IMAP server, the server will not recognise such headersmC > as being headers: instead the To/From/CC/Subj from the top of thee > message will be mapped.   G True.  Presumably, when they are at the bottom, no software recognises  D them as headers.  However, in VMS MAIL they are not really need, at B least most of the time, so this is a fix for VMS MAIL.  For users G connected from some client, presumably the client has a button to turn L	 them off..  H What would be nice would be the ability to set the /HEADERS option on a  per-user basis.  :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2002 06:51:06 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: MAIL suggestion3 Message-ID: <aeCr9oYxHfob@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  w In article <01KMLS8H9GEU9QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:h  J > What would be nice would be the ability to set the /HEADERS option on a  > per-user basis.  :-)  ? DELIVER provides that on DECUServe, where it is used with PMDF.w   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:41:05 +0000 (UTC) - From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)S Subject: Re: MAIL suggestion. Message-ID: <am77t1$g0l$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes in article <3D862EC8.1C7486E@videotron.ca> dated Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:19:42 -0400:O >We all know that it is inevitable that the VMS engineers will eventually start)P >work to bring vms MAIL into the 21st century with decent support for internet.  >aG >One suggestion I have is the ability to QUICKLY hide/show the internetmH >headers. On the GUI, just a simple button. On character cell interface,I >perhaps a control key would toggle the display and redisplay the currentk >message in the new "format".s > L >Another "must" is to be able to specify some basic RFC fields (optionally),N >such as Reply-to: when composing or replying to an email. (and when replying,K >one must be able to edit the envelope to perhaps add more recipients etc).o  B The latest TCPIP Services for OpenVMS includes an IMAP server.  MyL suggestion for a character cell mail client would be PINE, which you can runL on VMS or Unix (don't know about Windoze).  The advantage of IMAP is you seeF the same mailbox and folders no matter what machine you're using for a client.   J The VMS MAIL command is not even a true character cell application; it hasF more of a teletype-level user interface.  You must run it on your mailG server (or cluster which includes your mail server) because it does not E support IMAP or even POP, so it really isn't a candidate for the nexto generation of mail interfaces.  K It is definitely a handy tool for sending automated messages and diagnosingc mail problems, though!  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgh> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:00:59 -0400u; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>s Subject: Re: MAIL suggestion$ Message-ID: <3d8735f9$2@news.si.com>  H >True.  Presumably, when they are at the bottom, no software recognises  >them as headers.n  4 IUPOP3 and Multinet's IMAP recognize bottom headers. --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com-= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventr< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:27:25 -0400e; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>o Subject: RE: MAIL suggestionK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEACA@rlghncst964.usps.gov>e  * If they're at the bottom, wouldn't they be called "footers" instead?w   :^)    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----B From: "Brian Tillman" [mailto:tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com]* Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:00 AM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com"  Subject: RE: MAIL suggestion    G >True.  Presumably, when they are at the bottom, no software recognisess >them as headers.   4 IUPOP3 and Multinet's IMAP recognize bottom headers. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comtA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com-= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:24:51 +0100c% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>eF Subject: Re: Micro$oft exec says all os's stink ... forgets about VMS!8 Message-ID: <i14eou859cdscm8eg5535gmvgo3ousjm8g@4ax.com>  , On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 00:20:55 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:w     >vM >Where Microsoft can be made responsible however is in falsely marketing thatnM >its windows is enterprise ready, and definitely companies like HP and Compaqn5 >for pushing wintel servers so much into enterprises.   = Where they might be in great danger is with Active Directory.bC Microsoft used to say that a "domain" was a security boundary. In asF security briefing from Microsoft last week we were informed that MS noF longer say this.  Due to *fundamental* and *unfixable* design flaws in? Active Directory, physical access to any domain controller in aD; "forest" can be used to compromise the entire organization.m  F Microsoft are effectively re-writing huge portions of Active Directory7 from scratch. There can be no "quick fix" they told us.e -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:10:23 +0100u% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.l8 Message-ID: <jaaeousjl13i6foto1fe23u1a5bitbbgnv@4ax.com>  5 On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 00:52:24 GMT, "David J. Dachtera"e <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  D >I think you'll find that these attrocities were documented (photos,E >eye-witnesses, survivors, dying declarations of victims, etc.) quitex >thoroughly.  F The UK and the USA conspired to cover up Iraq's worst abuses back when$ Iraq was our 'friend' in the region.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:10:55 +0400y/ From: Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru>t- Subject: Re: Non-standard installation of VMS ( Message-ID: <3D86F19F.6030906@beenet.ru>   Hans Vlems wrote: @ > "Konstantin Klubnichkin" <kostik@beenet.ru> schreef in bericht  	 <skipped>p  ) > Does this answer the question somewhat?t >  Yes, everything is clear now.r  
 Thanks a lot!M   > Hans >     
 Best regards,n Konstantin Klubnichkin   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Sep 2002 12:14:39 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: ORD5 Message-ID: <am76be$3a5r7$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   9 In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEODFLAA.tom@kednos.com>,n& 	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:: > Well, discussions of what the three char designation forA > a particular airport might be doesn't strike me as particularly = > germane to that of a list presumably dedicated to technicale > discussions relating to VMS. >   = Oh, I don't know....  ORD - BOS - AVP - EWR - BAl - IAD - VMSp  9 They all have one thing in common - three letters!!   ;-)t   bill   -- gJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2002 07:33:25 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)f1 Subject: RE: ORD (and off-topic posts in general)13 Message-ID: <ufJQCOitXNe5@eisner.encompasserve.org>k  c In article <MkWLqThM8V6R@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:>a > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEODFLAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:c; >> Well, discussions of what the three char designation fortB >> a particular airport might be doesn't strike me as particularly> >> germane to that of a list presumably dedicated to technical >> discussions relating to VMS.k > B >    There are a lot of pilots in the c.o.v community, and in thisC >    community we pretty much discuss whatever we damn well please.   F That is the complaint.  People come here to get VMS information and doF not want to be pestered by other people's hobbies.  On DECUServe thereE is a Hobbies and Interests conference for those who want to discuss agE particular interest with DECUS folks who share that interest.  Usenet-G analogous behaviour would be VMSNET.HOBBIES or VMSNET.HOBBIES.AVIATION.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:02:48 -0400.! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>c. Subject: Re: Saveset distribution over the web' Message-ID: <3D873608.478A8E9F@vcu.edu>v  F For my experience, I backup into a saveset, then zip it, then uuencodeF it and i have NO problems whatsoever across all versions of vms, unix,C dos, windows.  my backup savesets get there as uuencode no problem.h   overkill, tho.. !!!!   jimo   Hoff Hoffman wrote:	 > e > In article <1032040960.921194@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>, "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com> writes:s > M > :I hope I could grab a little of your thoughts on web based distribution ofs > :VMS Software. >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:36:29 -0400i5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>e= Subject: Re: Seeking Senior VMS System Administrator Positiont* Message-ID: <am4tqc$lnk$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Rick,   K Please send me your resume at susan.skonetski@hp.com.  Sometimes folks sende. me mail and I forward the resumes that I have.  2 This is not an official resource just helping out. suev    < "Rick Nickles" <chinachowchow@mailcity.com> wrote in message7 news:ac4e3b24.0209131601.743d87ba@posting.google.com...n > Greetings! > F >      I was recently involved in a major downsizing, and I am seekingB > employment.  If there is anyone who knows of any VMS openings orC > anything that may be appropriate for a person with a MS degree ineC > Computer Science and 15 years of VMS experience.  Apparently thiseE > layoff was primarily due to the financial state of our company, and F > also due to the fact that they do not plan to use VMS in the future.G > I would be more than happy to forward my resume on request. Thank youI  > so much for any help or ideas. >s > Thanks >r > Rick Nickles > chinachowchow@mailcity.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:38:47 +0000 (UTC)-+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)0  Subject: Re: SMTP Authentication+ Message-ID: <am5tin$55r$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>s  s In article <2Aoh9.1491$_t6.599537762@newssvr10.news.prodigy.com>, "Carmine Castiglia" <ccast@optonline.net> writes:nE >I am sorry if this has been answered here before but I am on a tight ' >schedule and research time is limited.e >rG >Using OpenVMS v7.1-1H2 and UCX.   I push outgoing internet (SMTP) mailaJ >through a mailserver (Mercury/32) which runs on a Windows box on the sameJ >network.  To solve some problems with open relaying, I absolutely need toG >tell Mercury/32 to allow only "authenticated smtp users' to send mail.iI >Problem: is it possible to configure UCX to use SMTP Authentication when  >sending mail? >t >    SMTP AUTH has two components.   N 1) The mail server which receives the SMTP connection and requests use of SMTPK AUTH and then validates the password sent against an authentication source.n   and.    eL 2) The mail client which receives the SMTP AUTH request and prompts the user2    for a password (or provides a stored password).    H I wasn't aware Mercury/32 actually supported SMTP AUTH. However VMS mailG certainly doesn't. It has no facilities to prompt a user for a password_I when the user is sending a mail message or even to receive back the SMTP l AUTH request via UCX.oL Note. This has to be done at the mail client rather than being something the TCPIP stack (UCX) can do.pM This is probably something which should go into the requests for new features/O for VMS Mail (Together with SMTP AUTH and SASL support in the UCX SMTP Server).c  O (PMDF supports SMTP AUTH and SASL in it's mail server - but not in the VMS Mailn client)H  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University  a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:51:30 -0400d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>   Subject: Re: SMTP Authentication, Message-ID: <3D8698A7.320C7C2F@videotron.ca>   David Webb wrote:hN > Note. This has to be done at the mail client rather than being something the > TCPIP stack (UCX) can do.-   Why ?-  K Why not define a username/password for the SMTP server when it communicates  with its gateway ?  L After all, it is the SMTP server which talks to the remote SMTP and the userL has no interaction at all. It is therefore up to the SMTP server to identify itself to the remote one.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:14:23 -0700-# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>- Subject: SRM Console Variables9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEPFFLAA.tom@kednos.com>n  7 Is there a way to get and set the SRM Console variablese5 as does Tru64?  For example, on Tru64.  It would alsoo- be useful to get the firmware version number.    zeus> /sbin/consvar -v- Firmware Console Environment Variable Manager 5  consvar [-v] [-nc] -g -s -a -l -d [variable] [value]M  -v                     Verboseh1  -g variable            Get the value of variable 1  -s variable value      Set the value of variableS<  -l                     List all variables with their values8  -a                     Save all variables to NV storage9  -d                     Print out exception database dataH1  -nc                    Do NOT perform conversion9 zeus> /sbin/consvar -l auto_action = HALT boot_dev = dsk0e bootdef_dev = dsk0 booted_dev = dsk0p boot_file =e
 booted_file =_ boot_osflags = A booted_osflags = A boot_reset = OFF enable_audit = ON  license = MU
 char_set = language = 0x36i tty_dev = 0p srm2dev_id =   ---p& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 9/4/2002E   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:36:56 +0100 (MET)a9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>$ Subject: SRM Console Variables; Message-ID: <01KMM465KYEA9QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   9 > Is there a way to get and set the SRM Console variablesS7 > as does Tru64?  For example, on Tru64.  It would also / > be useful to get the firmware version number.-  + F$GETENV.  Don't see F$SETENV, though.  :-|   <          The defined console environment variable names are:  C          Auto_action, Boot_dev, Bootdef_dev, Booted_dev, Boot_file,rI          Booted_file, Boot_osflags, Booted_osflags, Boot_reset, Dump_dev, ;          Enable_audit, License, Char_set, Language, Tty_dev1   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:32:27 GMT-# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>- Subject: Re: Sybase and VMS-H Message-ID: <fWHh9.48382$8b1.11527@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  8 "Marty Kuhrt" <kuhrt@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:M6w87HckHPtd@eisner.encompasserve.org... > > In article <878z23a28o.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:nF > > "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au> writes: > >u0 > >> I hear that sybase and VMS isn't supported. > >  > >> anyone know if it works?. > >r? > > Well, if you look back, you may remember Boeing looking forrG > > VMS/Sybase people to go to Geralton. Security clearance required...  > > 3 > > So I think we can put a tick next to `works' :)t > >a >e@ > I forgot to mention that when I sat next to a Sybase fellow onB > the flight from New Jersey to Oakland he mentioned that they had9 > some "big customers" that insisted on VMS 7.3+ support.CA > I inferred from the tone of the conversation that it meant thatUA > those that had support, and were big enough, still got support.h  I It's nice to be big enough to get support 'under the table'. But when thehG ISV doesn't offer to the customer base at-large an officially supportediE version on VMS, it's just one more reason anyone who champions VMS att. prospective new customers may get shot down...     I've seen this happen:K "Fred, why do you insist on VMS? Your choice of db is Oracle or Oracle Rdb,oJ and we don't like Oracle in this shop. You obviously aren't a team player.H Here's your pink slip. Security will escort you from the building. We'll6 send your personal belongings to your house tomorrow."  - A case of the sqeaky wheel getting 'greased'.    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2002 17:40:46 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Symposium Sessions * Message-ID: <am552u$m28$2@web1.cup.hp.com>  G   I expect to be presenting various sessions likely including a session J   that I had submitted to the HPETS2002 event -- but that was surprisinglyH   (well, to me, at least) rejected by the symposium folks -- that was toE   be entitled "OpenVMS Freeware, an Insider's View of Open Source", ahD   session on using and on porting open-source code over to OpenVMS.   E   I expect attendees will see the core OpenVMS talks from HPETS eventnF   repeated (with updates), as well as "symposia-rejected" sessions andG   sessions by the engineering folks previously unable to present due totF   various travel or schedule constraints -- or shipping and set-up and   demonstration constraints.  G   I expect that there will be a "Denizens of comp.os.vms" BOF scheduleds3   for both HPETS and for the Nashua event, as well.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:17:01 +0530n5 From: "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com>r7 Subject: System service call to know the number of CPUsg/ Message-ID: <uoe1jlkmnjq895@corp.supernews.com>t   Hi,m  I Given the name of system is there any system service call available whichi. would return the number of CPUs on the system.   Thanks in advancew Sandeepm   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2002 07:30:37 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: System service call to know the number of CPUsV3 Message-ID: <zVgovw3zMoBQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <uoe1jlkmnjq895@corp.supernews.com>, "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> writes:g  K > Given the name of system is there any system service call available whiche0 > would return the number of CPUs on the system.  & Look for SYI$_AVAILCPU_CNT at location  4 	file:///VMSDOC073/v73/4527/4527pro_053.html#jun_312  3 on the Documentation CDROM that came with VMS V7.3.   / If that is not exactly what  you want, considerg   	SYI$_POTENTIALCPU_CNT   on a succeeding page.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:58:07 -0400e; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> ; Subject: RE: System service call to know the number of CPUs-K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEAC5@rlghncst964.usps.gov>Q  / If there's a lexical function that will do it, -- you can bet there's a system call underneath.-   HELP LEXICALS F$GETSYI   look at ACTIVECPU_CNT    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----< From: "Sandeep Yelwatkar" [mailto:Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com]) Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 6:47 AMb To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" 7 Subject: System service call to know the number of CPUsh     Hi,p  I Given the name of system is there any system service call available which . would return the number of CPUs on the system.   Thanks in advance3 Sandeept   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:01:37 +0100 (MET)a9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r; Subject: Re: System service call to know the number of CPUsd; Message-ID: <01KMM0UTF9009QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>/  E > Given the name of system is there any system service call available 7 > which would return the number of CPUs on the system. a   f$getsyi("activecpu_cnt")    f$getsyi("availcpu_cnt")  ; Presumably these call the corresponding system services....i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:44:18 +1000p9 From: forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth)l; Subject: Re: System service call to know the number of CPUsl7 Message-ID: <slrnaoe8t0.lk.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>-  _ On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:17:01 +0530, Sandeep Yelwatkar <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> gushed forth:c >Hi, > J >Given the name of system is there any system service call available which/ >would return the number of CPUs on the system.r >   / $GETSYI with an item code of SYI$_ACTIVECPU_CNT   % See  "$ help system_services $getsyi"a    ; Alternatively lib$getsyi. See "$  help rtl lib$ lib$getsyi"H   -- e     Ooroo"	 Mark F...n  $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:32:06 +1000r1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>o Subject: sysuaf and friends , Message-ID: <3D86F696.6050009@tg.nsw.gov.au>  F Note, I am a Fortran developer of our technical applications.  My VMS I admin role is because we are independent of our IT and I am the only one sB here able to keep our production engineers gainfully employed.  A @ paraphrase of this, I might not understand first time round the  solutions I am offered.a  G For historical reasons, when we had a larger development team prior to  B attrition, I started with a VAXstation 4000-60 and 3 VLC's as our F development platform.  [Others might have gone through the same -- we * now have two of us doing the work of 6/8.]  G We gradually moved our development to an Alpha box which was clustered 6G in.  The VAX still had SYSUAF and friends.  Our production environment m+ has for many years been Alpha (Fortran 90).t  D I am now down to a cluster of a single VAXstation 4000-60 and a DEC : 3000.  And I want to move SYSUAF and friends to the Alpha.  @ I tried a copy before renaming the logicals.  NET$PROXY.DAT and H QMAN$MASTER.DAT are locked by other users; all the rest copy O.K. to my  Alpha disk.   H In order to maintain the same environment before I rename logicals, how  do I get these files copied?  F For the latter I tried shutting down the queue manager on both nodes, 7 but it still would not copy -- still locked (by what?).-  E Am I in a stable situation if I create these two files from a backup s- onto the Alpha disk from the VAX disk backup?    A second question.  E I am on DECnet Phase IV.  If I change to DECnet-Plus I believe I can eE "tunnel" through TCP/IP (to keep our IT section happy -- they have a rF vendetta against VMS and want nothing to do with any DEC product -- I * do!!!!).  Can I cluster using TCP/IP only?   Regards, Paddy        G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedh> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisetB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.a  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid eA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the h= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with lC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesl> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment."v  G ***********************************************************************q   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:49:53 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>l Subject: Re: sysuaf and friendsc; Message-ID: <01KMLTU5KQV89QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  E > I am now down to a cluster of a single VAXstation 4000-60 and a DECe= > 3000.  And I want to move SYSUAF and friends to the Alpha. <  F Suggestion: for these (and perhaps other) files, put them on a shadow C set with one member on each node.  That way, these files are still @F available only if one node is in the cluster.  Also, consider a third  "quorum node".  G > Am I in a stable situation if I create these two files from a backup s/ > onto the Alpha disk from the VAX disk backup?o  D Assuming the files got into the backup intact, why not?  Of course, ) you'll miss any changes since the backup.   G > I am on DECnet Phase IV.  If I change to DECnet-Plus I believe I can oG > "tunnel" through TCP/IP (to keep our IT section happy -- they have a eH > vendetta against VMS and want nothing to do with any DEC product -- I , > do!!!!).  Can I cluster using TCP/IP only?  D If you are keeping the VMS machines, then why can't you have DECnet E Phase IV traffic on a section of the network the other IT guys don't . see?  H You can tunnel with Phase V, but also with Phase IV, but not with TCPIP " Services---you need another stack.  D You can cluster without DECnet; in that sense, you can cluster with < TCPIP only, but the TCPIP has nothing to do with clustering.  F Without DECnet, you have to use the CLUSTER_CONFIG_LAN.COM instead of F CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM.  Otherwise, clustering doesn't need DECnet.  Some E applications do, like MONITOR.  However, this can be done with TCPIP:n  ? $ sea sys$startup:systartup_vms.com monitor,tcp/match=and/win=5i $!D $! Remove the comment delimiter ($!) from the following line to have $! Monitor run with TCP/IP.h $!  $!$ @SYS$STARTUP:VPM$STARTUP.COM  & I think PHONE requires DECnet, though.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:25:38 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: tcpip client PAK 0 Message-ID: <3D8763D5.8F525808@blueyonder.co.uk>   TFranco wrote: > 	 > Hi all,. > M > after installing ovms72 from the Hobbyst CD, I decided to setup TCPIP, so Ir< > did a PRODUCT INSTALL of the tcpip PCSI present on the CD.J > During the setup it stated that a TCPIP CLIENT PAK is needed in order toI > configure FTPD and TELNET servers, but I've already loaded the UCX PAK.aF > I could bring up the tcpip but I couldn't set-up the above mentioned > services.s1 > What else do I need, or what have I forgotten ?x > Thanks in advance. >    Did you $ LICENCE LOAD UCX ?  H I went through this a couple of weeks ago. I have TCPIP 5.1 running fine on my hobbiest system.     regards,   > -- > ... Franco   -- c tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:33:05 +0200cC From: Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de>a3 Subject: The cd record package from HP/CPQ + DVD???s> Message-ID: <00A141F8.BE74632E.1@CHCLU.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>   Hi,i  R Some weeks ago (2002-08-15) I asked some questions about the CD recording package,1 that HP/CPQ offers as an option for the new DS45:   # 	1. What program comes with a DS25? ) 	2. Is it cdrecord or a modified cdwrite?e! 	3. Is the source code available?w% 	4. Which DVD+R(W) drive can be used?   F I've got no answer upto now and I have the impression that the postingD of Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman stopped all orders of my dvdwrite-program,+ especially because he spoke of DVD-burning:f   [snip]  E  Various SCSI-based CD-R drives have been found to work.  Donno abouttJ    ATA/ATAPI or USB CD-R, I haven't tried that.  (We burned some DVD disksI    using the HP drive and CDWRITE a week or so ago.  Worked on the first eI    shot.)  I've been using the Plextor PlexWriter series SCSI CD-R drives:L    (both the 12/10/xx and 12/4/xx) on OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha systems.H    Works fine.  I'm sure that other modern CD-R devices will also work."   [snip]    F Since 2002-09-17 you'll find the "CD record" in the Open Source Tools.& ( http://www.openvms.compaq.com/new ).  J The saveset consists of the Cdrecord Version 1.10, released at 2001-04-22.A This version cannot be used for DVD-R(W) recording. Additionally iM cdrecord is used without the burnproof option. This is almost a secure method < to produce coasters. cdrecord.com only knows about CD-R and  doesn't handle CD-RW.t  I But who cares, it is "Freeware" without any warranty. You'll only destroy)$ the good reputation of some authors.   EberhardO ===============================================================================    Dr. Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann- Univ. Konstanz Fakultaet fuer Chemie0 Universitaets-Strasse 10 D-78464 Konstanz Germanyn. Phone: +49-7531-88-2026, FAX: +49-7531-88-3139* email: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de  O ===============================================================================)   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Sep 2002 14:56:46 GMT! From: Mark Hatch <mhatch@ics.com>pE Subject: The site for Motif Developers - motifzone.net (monthly post)a' Message-ID: <3D8742AB.5E8016FC@ics.com>i  D The Motif Zone (http://www.motifzone.net) is the center of a growingH community of open source developers dedicated to the ongoing developmentG and maintenance of Open Motif. In the last 12 months, the MotifZone hasaB hosted over 500,000 downloads of Open Motif and processed over 30+G Million website hits. 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 addresses.  H And of course, the MotifZone provides the usual collection of feeds fromF sites like Linux Today and BSD Today so that you can stay current with! the latest changes in technology.T   ***SPONSORSHIP***D< The Motif Zone is sponsored by Integrated Computer SolutionsG (http://www.ics.com), provider of the leading GUI Builder for  UNIX and ; Linux, Builder Xcessory PRO. Download a free eval today at:o http://www.ics.com/getbxpro/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:24:21 -0400s5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>s/ Subject: VERITAS Support for OpenVMS on Itaniume* Message-ID: <am4t3a$lcv$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Just received this from VERITAS0  * om: Alan Fay [mailto:alan.fay@veritas.com]  ) Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:05 AMu   To: Skonetski, Susan  / Subject: VERITAS Support for OpenVMS on Itanium        Sue,  F Please could you add VERITAS NetBackup for OpenVMS to the ISV list for3 future support of OpenVMS on the Itanium Processor.   @ A short statement in the NBU OpenVMS User Guide available from:-  I ftp://ftp.emea.support.veritas.com/pub/support/Products/NetBackup_OpenVMS    nbu_vms.pdfs  I states, "The VERITAS NetBackup OpenVMS client will support OpenVMS on thel Itanium Processor".o   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2002 06:47:07 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)uJ Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on3 Message-ID: <et9cYgFkd534@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  W In article <16SEP200222432653@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:e  @ > How do you plan to make it know the difference between "<" theE > input redirector and "<" the directory delimiter? If it sees "<foo"s@ > how shbould it know if you want to read the file "foo." in theB > current default directory (or the file pointed at by the logicalA > name "foo") or if you have forgotten the ">" on the end of your  > directory specification?  @ Consider that some customers may have batch jobs that implicitlyA _depend_ on a particular error message being issued.  That is noteB great software engineering, but it is depending on the release-to-, release consistency for which VMS is famous.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:27:15 +0200.@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>W Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on     OpenVMS?t+ Message-ID: <3D86CB43.1010601@mail.tele.dk>n   Don Sykes wrote:   > Arne Vajhj wrote:6 >>But that was not the point. Programs that read/write0 >>from/to SYS$INPUT/SYS$OUTPUT work fine already2 >>with both VMS programs and custom programs. Like >>in DIR above.  >>8 >>What you proposed was to insert a SYS$INPUT/SYS$OUTPUT5 >>for programs that do not read/write from/to theese.i >>Like in SEARCH above.t    P > NO. That was not what I proposed. I only proposed using i/o symbols like ">" &: > "<" instead of have to spell out sys$input & sys$output.   I got that impression:   #Currently, I have to say: # $ $ pipe dir | search sys$input ".log" #I'd like to be able to say: #  $ pipe dir | search ".log"E #and have the pipe command fill in "sys$input", or at least, specify m
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 #< , e.g.: #  $ pipe dir | search < ".log"   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:16:51 -0400h; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> W Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on     OpenVMS?u$ Message-ID: <3d872ba0$2@news.si.com>   >I'd like to be able to say: >e >$ pipe dir | search ".log" D >and have the pipe command fill in "sys$input", or at least, specify sys$input as < , e.g.: >g >$ pipe dir | search < ".log"   J Not even Unix does that, though, at least in the shell's I've encountered.K The above syntax, to me, means "get your input from the file ".log".  You'd0G need some placeholder after the "<" to specify the pipe's input or some:I symbol instead of the "<".  Since you need something there, "SYS$PIPE" ormA "SYS$INPUT" seems no different to me, just a few more characters.s* Syntactically, it's identical, in my mind. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevents< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:05:03 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> U Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on   OpenVMS?A$ Message-ID: <3d8728dd$1@news.si.com>  9 >Since MAXBOB* is obsolete 7.3 and up, add a /FAST switch"@ >to COPY so that it does a callout to Bob Sampson's FAST_IO_COPY >rL >http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6ajqur%24nl3%40usenet.pa.dec.com&oe=UT F-8&output=gplain0  D Message id or article number 6ajqur$nl3@usenet.pa.dec.com not found. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comiA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comt= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventl< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  / Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:02:15 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>S Subject: Re: What features/capabilities would you like to see available on OpenVMS?26 Message-ID: <200209170702.JAA03625@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  C if you will have a problem with the use of the (may be a little bit-@ too long names) logical SYS$INPUT and SYS$OUPT, why don't you do the following:   	$  grep	== "SEARCH SYS$INPUT"+ 	$  more	== "TYPE/PAGE=SAVE=1000 SYS$INPUT"t 	$  get	== "READ SYS$INPUT"v  C So you can do the same as in *IX, e.g. PIPE DIR | GREP HUGO | MORE. * I think this will be fit 90% of your work.& I do have a problem with the follwing:  4 	$ PIPE DIR | GREP HUGO || SAY "HUGO is present"		or4 	$ PIPE DIR | GREP HUGO && SAY "HUGO is not present"  F If I do so, DCL waits for something and the command does never finish.A The second problem is, how is it possible to do both in one line.dL $ PIPE DIR | GREP HUGO || SAY "HUGO is present" && SAY "HUGO is not present"F My expirience is, that this does not function. Also should it possible$ to pass symbols throw the PIPE, e.g.  # 	$ PIPE DIR | GREP HUGO | GET ^linec# 	$ SAY "HUGO found in line ''line'"a   Best regards Rudolf Wingerts   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:48:10 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>+ Subject: www.openvms.com is available ! ! !D@ Message-ID: <20020917114810.43883.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>  5 I think the site www.openvms.com is available becausei3 it is not working since last weeked - as I tried toc+ connect on saturday... Anyone interested tos buy  it ? :-)    Regards    FC v   =====t ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilq fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlinesk http://news.yahoo.comR   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.514 ************************