1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 18 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 516       Contents: Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium  Re: Anyone running CVS?  Re: Anyone running CVS?  Re: Anyone running CVS?  Re: ASO 7.3 with XFC V2  RE: ASO 7.3 with XFC V2  Re: ASO 7.3 with XFC V2 7 Bad performance with Enterasys Smarttrunk and DECnet IV  Re: BASIC (bug?) Re: Convert Blocks to MB CSWB data set hang-up  Re: CSWB data set hang-up   Re: DDS2 tape, Windows to VMS???6 RE: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be) Found  virusP From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Techni" Re: how external input is received Re: HP website integration> Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish.> Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish.> Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish. Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT LAT connection Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.. Re: Opcom when SYSGEN modifies the params file" Re: OpenOffice ODBC and Oracle Rdb" Re: OpenOffice ODBC and Oracle Rdb% OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS. ) Re: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS. ) Re: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS.  Problem on OpenVMS 7.1 RE: Problem on OpenVMS 7.1P RE: Recommendations for Win2K Pro NFS client for use with TCPIP V	5.1 NFS serverK Recommendations for Win2K Pro NFS client for use with TCPIP V5.1 NFS server % Re: Saveset distribution over the web % Re: Saveset distribution over the web % Re: Saveset distribution over the web % Re: Saveset distribution over the web % Re: Saveset distribution over the web ) Re: So help me understand (OpenVMS) here.  Re: So help me understand her. Re: SRM Console Variables  Re: Sybase and VMS Re: Sybase and VMS Re: Symposium Sessions Re: sysuaf and friends Re: sysuaf and friends$ TCPIP 5.3: QIO IO$_ACPCONTROL buglet Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast! " validate email address with LDAP ?& Re: validate email address with LDAP ? VMS Que printing Problem0 RE: wanted: cobol vax/vms ingres programming job  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:50:07 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: "inview" Article 0 Message-ID: <am9st5$sv7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote: * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > ) >>This doesn't actually apply to most big 4 >>corporations where someone will eventually account3 >>for your time Futzing and bang the costs into the , >>Linux TCO and people like to be supported. >  > N > Most big corporations have a large enough inventory of wintel junk that theyP > would still find Linux less costly since it would involve less Futzing (as youJ > say) than wintel junk. By that metric, it would be cheaper than windows. >   3 Yes but its mostly old Wintel Junk which means they 3 paid 2-3 x the price for it than they would if they 7 bought something quicker and newer now. They are paying 5 maintenance on it and its consuming datacenter space.   6 Thats one of the great Linux jokes. "We have all these+ old Wintel boxes going FREE lets use them".   5 Its a similar one to the Linux on a mainframe is FREE  joke.   6 I have heard people say both on a number of occasions,5 sadly neither statements display any understanding of ) what goes into a TCO number for a system.   3 Wintel boxes have always been relatively cheap from 3 a Capital expenditure standpoint, its all the other , costs associated with the platform that make1 it unattractive, Linux as it is being implimented 7 by many big corporates is potentially more unattractive 6 from a cost standpoint than WinTel. But the corporates8 will only discover this when they belatedly realise that3 what they saved in Capital expenditure they lost in  Futzing.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:50:25 +0200 E From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>  Subject: Re: "inview" Article + Message-ID: <3D8884A1.C308D8AE@mediasec.de>   5 > Wintel boxes have always been relatively cheap from 5 > a Capital expenditure standpoint, its all the other . > costs associated with the platform that make3 > it unattractive, Linux as it is being implimented 9 > by many big corporates is potentially more unattractive 8 > from a cost standpoint than WinTel. But the corporates: > will only discover this when they belatedly realise that5 > what they saved in Capital expenditure they lost in 
 > Futzing.  @ Really? You mean the about 10:1 relationshiop in effort to setupA and maintain our purely internal W2K server compared to the Linux ? machine running not only as a file server, but also as web host  and DNS is an extreme outlier?   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:51:20 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: "inview" Article 0 Message-ID: <ama40f$21c$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Jan C. Vorbr=FCggen wrote:5 >>Wintel boxes have always been relatively cheap from 5 >>a Capital expenditure standpoint, its all the other . >>costs associated with the platform that make3 >>it unattractive, Linux as it is being implimented 9 >>by many big corporates is potentially more unattractive 8 >>from a cost standpoint than WinTel. But the corporates: >>will only discover this when they belatedly realise that5 >>what they saved in Capital expenditure they lost in 
 >>Futzing. >=20 >=20B > Really? You mean the about 10:1 relationshiop in effort to setupC > and maintain our purely internal W2K server compared to the Linux A > machine running not only as a file server, but also as web host   > and DNS is an extreme outlier? >=20  0 Did you create your own Linux distribution first and then install it.  2 Believe it or not that is what many corporates are4 doing, often because they can and because they don't0 want to appear to be paying licensing fees for a0 Linux distribution that does meet their internal
 requirements.   4 This has never been an option with Windows so nobody	 tries it.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:17:10 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: "inview" Article / Message-ID: <am9uft$7d$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>    Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >=20. >> Case in point would be your suggestion that/ >> Linux/Windows makes a cost effective web and  >> apps server platform. >>- >> There is only one general J2EE apps server - >> benchmark that attempts to model this kind 0 >> of app on a price/performance basis and thats
 >> eCperf. >>5 >> And this may be counter intuitive, eCperf actually 3 >> shows that a typical Linux/Windows2000 with UNIX 5 >> DBMS infrastructure is more costly per transaction 8 >> than say a Sun Apps and Sun DBMS server configuration1 >> with the Sun solution delivering nearly double 6 >> the throughput per CPU and using many fewer servers >=20 >=20 >=20 > ???? >=20# > This is very very amateurish FUD.  >=20 > Everyone can go to:  >=20J > http://ecperf.theserverside.com/ecperf/index.jsp?page=3Dresults/top_ten= _price_performance=20  >=20 >=20 > and see that: # >   - IBM Linux is cheaper than SUN > >   - other Linux and Windows configs are way cheaper than SUN >=20    / Lets see your point was that Linux apps servers / when used with Commercial OS DBMS servers could  be cost effective.  3 So why is it FUD to point out that this combination 4 is actually more expensive and requires more systems7 than a Commercial OS Apps and DBMS server combination ?   2 Its what the table you posted shows. Very very few1 big corporates are putting DBMS's up on Linux for 2 production systems and as IBM's Wintel/AIX results4 show (a much more typical config) its more expensive" to use Wintel/UNIX than UNIX/UNIX.  4 A bit more carefull research on your part would have/ shown that there are no Linux based Apps with a 0 Commercial OS DBMS results that compete with the. Sun result on a price basis. Hadly FUD and not amateur either.   . >> If you are happy to Futz with Linux and you/ >> don't care about support then Linux may well . >> end up being cheaper for web servers than a >> comparable UNIX server. >>* >> This doesn't actually apply to most big5 >> corporations where someone will eventually account 4 >> for your time Futzing and bang the costs into the- >> Linux TCO and people like to be supported.  >=20 >=205 > Why would it take more time to Futz with Linux than  > with Solaris ????  >=20    Well where do you want to start.  + Filesystem, security, management, supported ) web servers etc. Most of the people who I - have worked with on Linux projects are either / rolling their own distros enhancing the free to + download Linux they have standardised on or 2 they are buying Red Hat Advanced Server/Stronghold or another similar package.   , If they are doing the former they are mostly/ redistributing costs, moving CapX to people and 2 integration and support costs (the Futzing costs).4 Some are doing this because they don't want to admit. that Linux isn't free which they would have to do if they bought Red Hat.  3 If they are buying Red Hat Advanced server they are 4 still getting an OS that is technically less capable1 than any of the major commercial UNIX's and which 6 will require more work and added to that Red Hat isn't actually that cheap.  3 Ironically the same customers who are rolling their . own distros often look down their noses at the. Sun Cobalt boxes because they come pre-rolled./ Ironic because they offer this type of customer , the best chance of actually showing a saving from deploying Linux.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 12:09:09 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: "inview" Article 3 Message-ID: <3kGPUQFIg9Cw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <am9st5$sv7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:  5 > Yes but its mostly old Wintel Junk which means they 5 > paid 2-3 x the price for it than they would if they 9 > bought something quicker and newer now. They are paying 7 > maintenance on it and its consuming datacenter space.   7    You have a customer that pays maintenance on Wintel? 9    And puts it in there data center?  They must have been     watching too much TV.  5 > Wintel boxes have always been relatively cheap from 5 > a Capital expenditure standpoint, its all the other . > costs associated with the platform that make3 > it unattractive, Linux as it is being implimented 9 > by many big corporates is potentially more unattractive 8 > from a cost standpoint than WinTel. But the corporates: > will only discover this when they belatedly realise that5 > what they saved in Capital expenditure they lost in 
 > Futzing.  >    I never had to futz with any of our Linux systems.  Wintel,A    yes, but never Linux.  Sounds like someone applying the wrong      tool to a job.   C    Besides:  VMS, MVS, and just about every major implementation of ?    eunichs have each been shown to have the lowest TCO compared B    to thier competitors.  So how could we ever trust a claim that     Linux has a higher TCO?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:46:40 -0400 1 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccusker@charter.net> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium/ Message-ID: <uog26ioe0o0g34@corp.supernews.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D8771B0.A3EC2BD5@videotron.ca...	 >> . Just I > make it "weekend airline rates friendly". For instance, you can hold it F > starting on a monday morning. This way, folks could fly out saturday evening,F > spend a day on sunday to rest (perhaps have some social functions on sundayL > evening to start the event). $92 for an extra night at the castle would beG > well worth it considering you'd be saving much more in airline fares.   J I don't get it.  I recall hearing the airlines saying they were abandoningG the Sat stayover requirement, and, in fact, a quick run through expedia  seems to show that:    Depart Nov 18, Return Nov 22.     9 LAX on AmericaWest - $326 to BOS, $359 to MHT (Northwest) < New Orleans on Continental - $207.50, $271.50 to MHT (Delta)6 St. Louis on American - $221 to BOS,  $271 to MHT (??)? Denver on American Airlines - $259 to BOS, $502.50 to MHT (UAL)   G So how much money do you expect a Saturday stay over to save?  The only L candidate for saving significant dollars with a Saturday stay is the DEN-MHTK and that prices out at $415 if you fly out Nov 16, which doesn't cover your ) room, let alone meals for the extra stay.   K OK, JF is in Canada (I think) and Toronto does seem to fit that model ($662 K with no Sat stay, $251 with Sat stay), but, that seems to be one of the few K that fit the Sat stay saves big $$ model.  I suppose there might be others,  I'm not a travel agent.   K My point is, I don't think the Saturday stay is as big a deal as it used to K be.  I learned this when pricing out my airfare to St. Louis, and it didn't H seem to matter if I was going from BOS, PVD, or BDL, with or without Sat. stay, all fares seemed to be around $175-$200.   Brad   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:04:29 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>: Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium. Message-ID: <3D8879DD.14A89757@mindspring.com>   Alan Frisbie wrote:   < > I would love to see the engineers in their native habitat.   It ain't pretty, Alan!   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:02:23 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium? Message-ID: <3A0i9.353587$_91.454046@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>   @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message+ news:ipJh9.34$AM3.96351@news.cpqcorp.net...  > ? > JF Mezei wrote in message <3D861CE8.9BCA8E66@videotron.ca>...  > >Fred Kleinsorge wrote: G > >> If you want to do anything aside from hanging around at the hotel,  you'llI > >> need a car.  Nashua is only modestly mass-transit friendly, and most  > places) > >> are a bit more than waling distance.  > > G > >But surely Sue or any VMS engineer would offer to drive participants  where  > >they want to go ? > >  > >:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > ' > I drive a Z3.  So only one at a time.  >   ( And, I presume, not if its been snowing.   325ix driver   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:09:40 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium2 Message-ID: <or2i9.33$145.534576@news.cpqcorp.net>  L Ever done the animation tour at DisneyWorld MGM?  Glass windows looking intoI the workers cubes - can't hear them however.  But we'd have to clean up a  lot of junk in the offices.     = JF Mezei wrote in message <3D87C968.E3A6FC84@videotron.ca>...  >Alan Frisbie wrote:G >> > So come early or stay longer!    Visit the lab, pay a visit to the  mill.  >>= >> I would love to see the engineers in their native habitat. > >> (An image of the Disneyland Jungle Tour boats keeps running >> through my mind.   :-)  > K >No, an image of the crocodile hunter capturing one of the VMS engineers in J >front of the audience and using his oh, so colourful language to describe the ! >behaviour of this rare beast....    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:39:18 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   Subject: Re: Anyone running CVS?2 Message-ID: <3D882DA6.6010203@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   Colin Blake wrote: > JOUKJ wrote: > I >> I have CVS1.11b (client) running on my OpenVMS box. as I remember You  = >> only needed the Porting-library to have it run correctly.   >  > 9 > You do NOT use the porting library to build CVS client.  > H > And that reminds me, as-is, CVS works only on ODS-2 volumes. I have a I > version which works on ODS-5 volumes (only) and supports extended file  H > names, but since I was unable to get my previous patches incorporated K > into the CVS source I didn't even bother with the ODS-5 changes. I guess  1 > I can post it somewhere if anyone's interested.  > I But using the patch kit by Robert Byer,I mentioned in a previous message  I you needed the porting library. I remember we needed it to extract files  E with non standard VMS filename (i.e. containing 2 dots). It works to  I some extend on ODS-5 disks. If it fully supports extended filenames I do  	 not know.                    Jouk   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:51:21 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>   Subject: Re: Anyone running CVS?, Message-ID: <3D884C98.5050106@theblakes.com>   JOUKJ wrote:  C > But using the patch kit by Robert Byer,I mentioned in a previous  E > message you needed the porting library. I remember we needed it to  I > extract files with non standard VMS filename (i.e. containing 2 dots).  H > It works to some extend on ODS-5 disks. If it fully supports extended  > filenames I do not know.    B If you want ODS-5 support you don't want the porting library. The G porting library converts all UNIX style filenames to something that is  F ODS-2 compatible. While you may well be able to check files out using 2 this approach, the file names will not be correct.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 11:58:52 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Anyone running CVS?3 Message-ID: <Wxuw8FOPfUnz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3D876670.7070305@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes: > JOUKJ wrote: > I >> I have CVS1.11b (client) running on my OpenVMS box. as I remember You  = >> only needed the Porting-library to have it run correctly.   > 9 > You do NOT use the porting library to build CVS client.  > H > And that reminds me, as-is, CVS works only on ODS-2 volumes. I have a I > version which works on ODS-5 volumes (only) and supports extended file  H > names, but since I was unable to get my previous patches incorporated K > into the CVS source I didn't even bother with the ODS-5 changes. I guess  1 > I can post it somewhere if anyone's interested.  > H    Yes.  I haven't had time to build the last port that posted, I'd much$    rather not work out ODS-5 myself.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:11:49 -0400 1 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccusker@charter.net>   Subject: Re: ASO 7.3 with XFC V2/ Message-ID: <uog26gr8qh0q33@corp.supernews.com>   @ "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> wrote in message news:3d86de3c@news.euriware... >     Hello, > L >     I've just installed the latest VMS ECO on my 7.3 cluster. I've enabledB > XFC and I'm running ASO 7.3ECO1. Does anyone already done this ?  I Is ASO V7.3ECO1 actually Advanced Server V7.3ECO1 for OpenVMS?  If so, we   need to get you guys up to ECO2!  H As for your question about has anyone done this, I guess I would need to  know which VMS ECO you refer to.  
 Brad McCusker  OpenVMS Engineering    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:34:54 +0930 : From: "Barratt, Chris (FMC)" <Chris.Barratt@fmc.sa.gov.au>  Subject: RE: ASO 7.3 with XFC V2P Message-ID: <07103702F27FD411ACA30000F8085452044FEE78@sagemshs001.fmc.sa.gov.au>   Hi Brad,  @ Are either of these ECOs available for general consumption yet ?J Is there some way of seeing what problems they fix (can't find anything onH web site about the ECOs), as we have  2 or 3 ongoing problems - the mostJ annoying of which is the PWRK$LMBROWSER process regularly going into a CPU loop.   % We are currently on AS 7.3 (VMS 7.3).    Cheers, 
 Chris Barratt    > -----Original Message-----8 > From: Brad McCusker [mailto:brad.mccusker@charter.net]) > Sent: Wednesday, 18 September 2002 9:42  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com " > Subject: Re: ASO 7.3 with XFC V2 >  >  > B > "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> wrote in message  > news:3d86de3c@news.euriware... > >     Hello, > > 9 > >     I've just installed the latest VMS ECO on my 7.3   > cluster. I've enabled D > > XFC and I'm running ASO 7.3ECO1. Does anyone already done this ? > 8 > Is ASO V7.3ECO1 actually Advanced Server V7.3ECO1 for  > OpenVMS?  If so, we " > need to get you guys up to ECO2! > = > As for your question about has anyone done this, I guess I   > would need to " > know which VMS ECO you refer to. >  > Brad McCusker  > OpenVMS Engineering  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:55:47 +0200 5 From: "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>   Subject: Re: ASO 7.3 with XFC V2$ Message-ID: <3d881972@news.euriware>  L "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccusker@charter.net> a crit dans le message de news:$ uog26gr8qh0q33@corp.supernews.com... > B > "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> wrote in message  > news:3d86de3c@news.euriware... > >     Hello, > > F > >     I've just installed the latest VMS ECO on my 7.3 cluster. I've enabled D > > XFC and I'm running ASO 7.3ECO1. Does anyone already done this ? > K > Is ASO V7.3ECO1 actually Advanced Server V7.3ECO1 for OpenVMS?  If so, we " > need to get you guys up to ECO2! > J > As for your question about has anyone done this, I guess I would need to" > know which VMS ECO you refer to. >  > Brad McCusker  > OpenVMS Engineering  >  >  >  > =     Yes it 's Advanced Server 7.3 ECO 1 with patches (90970A) I     We're going to install ECO2 tomorrow morning (I think you've heard of ' our "problems" via CSC in june/july)...   F     The ECO is VMS-73_XFC-V200 with the new XFC cache enabled, and theJ question was "Do I let the "domain." files (pwrk$root:[lanman.domains] andL [.datafiles] with the writethrough caching enabled considering the fragility of such files ?"  F     PS: All other ECO are up to date according to the VMS 7.3 web site       Philippe Bocher    ------------------------------  / Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:45:59 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>@ Subject: Bad performance with Enterasys Smarttrunk and DECnet IV6 Message-ID: <200209180645.IAA06131@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  ' we do have the following configuration:   8 	1. A SSR8600 with Fast- and Gigabit-Ethernet. There are7 	   a few Alpha on it with OpenVMS 7.1-2 and DECnet IV.   7 	1. A Vertical Horizon, connected to the SSR8600 with a 8 	   fourport Smarttrunk. There are also some Alphas con- 	   nected to this switch.  A With the DTSEND utility I did test the utilization of the network C connections. Performance with two Alpha on the same switch (SSR8600 B or Vertical Horizon) is stable over 90% of the line speed. But be-@ tween an Alpha on the SSR8600 and the Vertical Horizon I do have@ poor performance. It is in the range between 0.02% and 95%, withA a median at 25%. When we changed the trunk to a single point con- > nection, we did messearue stable over 90%. Do anybody have theA same experience? Or better do anybody have a solution, so that we 9 can use the trunk (the Alpha is not alone at the switch)?   # TIA and best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 07:43:59 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)  Subject: Re: BASIC (bug?) - Message-ID: <CaZCdR5O36b+@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>   \ In article <3D88030F.A8E42704@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Joe wrote:H >> "word" and compiling BASIC/WORD will generate no complaints. When theH >> compiler parses the 2nd declaration of "false" it enters a state that: >> it's already seen but just doesn't cause any "conflict" > L > Nevertheless, it should still warn about multiple declarations of the same& > variable even if they are identical.  3 If it's a variable then the compiler DOES complain:   
 $ ty x.bas       declare long x     declare integer x      end    $ bas x        declare integer x  ....................^ 9 %BASIC-E-ILLMULDEF, illegal multiple definition of name X   B   This makes sense because you are asking the compiler to allocate0 two different memory locations, both called "X".  @    But in the original example it was a constant being declared.? Since the compiler already knew of a constant of that name with > that value there's no conflict, it's just a case of "I already knew that".    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:47:40 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MB . Message-ID: <3D8875EC.A9B17A52@mindspring.com>   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:  = > > > :From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net] C > > > :A megabyte is a megabyte is a megabyte is a megabyte is a...  > E > Actually, according to the NIST Web page whose link is given at the E > bottom of this post, *your* megabyte is actually a mebibyte!!! I am ) > not making this up. Check the Web page.   > And, of course, there are kibibytes, gibibytes (?), and so on,3 the "bi" in the prefix meaning "binary", of course.   6 It's a shame these won;'t ever catch on; we could save7 gibibytes of newsgroup discussion if they did, but they 5 won't. Not when there's a dime to be made by the disk . manufacturers confusing people about capacity.  4 I always just refer to disk capacities as "Marketing Megabytes" (and so on).    Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:42:35 +0200 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus) Subject: CSWB data set hang-upD Message-ID: <aus-1809021442350001@wvia20.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  9 Does the following mean that cswb is looking for a modem? E How and where do I tell cswb that it's a direct ethernet connection ?   
 CSWB.LOG;1   Starting mozilla-bin...  %RMS-F-RER, file read error " -SYSTEM-F-HANGUP, data set hang-up   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:37:03 +0200 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)" Subject: Re: CSWB data set hang-upD Message-ID: <aus-1809021537030001@wvia20.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>    The problem went just went away.  D In article <aus-1809021442350001@wvia20.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>,- aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus) wrote:   ; > Does the following mean that cswb is looking for a modem? G > How and where do I tell cswb that it's a direct ethernet connection ?  >  > CSWB.LOG;1 >  > Starting mozilla-bin...  > %RMS-F-RER, file read error $ > -SYSTEM-F-HANGUP, data set hang-up   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 12:28:31 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: DDS2 tape, Windows to VMS??? 3 Message-ID: <JdK7Lui0Nzni@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <1032287764.764219@news.drenet.dnd.ca>, "Sebastien Emery" <Sebastien.Emery@cse-cst.gc.ca> writes:N > I want to know if it's possible to save a file on a DDS2 tape on Windows andM > read it bak on VMS?  If it's possible, which format should we use to do so. 5 > And which software should we use, if any available?   F    Yes.  You simply have to decide how you want the file stored.  OnceE    upon a time we always stored our tapes as unblocked 80 byte EBCDIC     card images.   J    Now days I'd recommend ASCII over EBCDIC or Unicode, binary if there's 6    no floating point or if the VMS system is an Alpha.   H    Since Windows doesn't know j.s. about tapes, you'll have to find someD    third party softweare to give you access to the tape drive.  MostD    of this is designed for backup/restore and won't simply put a rawC    file on the tape.  So look for something that will do a standard E    format such as tar, or check out Boston Business Computing and see B    if they have software that will to a VMS BACKUP format on tape.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:02:42 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ? Subject: RE: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be) T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A0A@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   John,   H As a fyi, a real life example of a disaster affecting a wide area, checkA out the Ice Storm of 1998 that impacted North Eastern US, Eastern % Ontario and major parts of Quebec.=20   ? Many homes and businesses were without power for up to 4 weeks.   
 Reference:+ http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSIceStorm/home.html   5 http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSIceStorm/jan18_anatomy1.html H "Waves of freezing rain amassed layer upon layer of crystal chaos - - asB destructive as it was beautiful. Ottawa was a city of ice. Tens ofC thousands of homes were cast into darkness and left without heat as E hydro poles snapped like toothpicks. It was the storm of the century. C Damage topped $1 billion. Crippled communities shivered in sub-zero D temperatures that numbed even the hardiest. But a pioneer spirit wasC unleashed, communities united, and the forces of Mother Nature were H gradually calmed by people power. Fuelled by the kind-hearted, warmed byA leadership, steadied by extensive planning, fortified by military D expertise and determined to rebound and rebuild, we've put the worstE behind us. Life is returning to normal. But it will never be the same  ..! By Kathleen Harris -- Ottawa Sun"   G So, while it is unlikely such an event will re-occur anytime soon, this G storm is typically the subject of any conversation that talks about the D requirements for wide area disaster recovery and disaster tolerance.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----+ From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20 ! Sent: September 17, 2002 11:25 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ; Subject: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)       : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3D86738B.946D604@videotron.ca...  > Keith Parris wrote: G > > By having at least one site hundreds of miles away from (and not=20 H > > downwind of) any potential nuclear targets, possibly even located in  ! > > a different country entirely.  > I > Wouldn't there be significant data-privacy issues with locating your=20 I > customer's data in a different country ? Or is this usually a pretty=20 B > easy issue to deal with as long as you follow some basic rules ? > J > Have there been any issues with the many US companies that have moves=20 > many IT3 > functions to India with regards to data privacy ?     G EU and many other nations have now enacted data privacy directives that F are far more stringent than those in the USA. But that's not a concernH if one is in the USA. The only real viable 'out of country' option for aF wide-area cluster for an American  company is Canada, and vice versa -D geography rules. Mexico isn't really an option. Maybe Bermuda is forC some of the Eastern USA, but then there's always the possibility of  hurricanes.   H In the EU, almost any other country is an ok option, as long as it isn't- anywhere near a floodplain or avalanche zone.     G Biological and chemical threats are equally effective at area denial as F a nuc. Some chemical agents have lethal persistence measured in monthsB once dispersed, and they settle on any exposed surfaces. ExtensiveH decontamination must be undertaken before an area can be considered safeD for habitation. As unthinkable as all these things are, the chem/bio; threats are more probable scenarios than even a dirty bomb.   H But that's probably the least of the worries....think about lack of foodE and potable water first. Water treatment plants will go off-line when F the chlorine/ozonator runs out, and food shipments may be quarantined.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:49:45 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Found  virus 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEBLFMAA.tom@kednos.com>    FYI   2 Just got an email from Hahaha with subject field: . Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL Story  ! My virus scanner doesn't like it.1 --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 9/4/2002y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:48:12 -0400g5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>eY Subject: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Technin* Message-ID: <am9smg$ml2$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  D To: The VMS community interested in HP ETS and the OpenVMS Technical	 Symposiums  J I've seen some discussion in the news groups about attending HP ETS and/orL the OpenVMS Technical Symposium. Once the comparisons to a classic symposiumF started happening we realized we needed to better communicate what theE OpenVMS Technical Symposium was all about. It is an in-depth trainingeF experience more like a series of classic pre-Symposium seminars than a
 symposium.  . Think of it as an Advanced Technical Bootcamp.  D It is a 3 day series of intense hands on labs and in-depth workshopsL conducted by the OpenVMS Engineering organization. This Bootcamp is designedF to provide OpenVMS application developers, solution providers, systemsJ integrators and users the advanced in-depth technical knowledge desired byJ very experienced OpenVMS IT professionals. You will have an opportunity toH discuss at length any technical questions you may have regarding OpenVMSD related technologies. Due to equipment requirements for the hands on< training, we will be limited in enrollment to 150 attendees.   Who Should Attenda  B Very experienced OpenVMS focused developers, customers, and SystemG Integration personnel who require very advanced level OpenVMS developer . information. This is for a worldwide audience.   Why you should attende  D The primary focus of this Bootcamp will be to provide deep, detailedG training and hands-on lab based advanced training and is designed to beiF complementary to other customers learning opportunities such as the HPC Enterprise Technical Symposium. If you are a very technical OpenVMS K developer seeking advanced training courses this Bootcamp will deliver thatsI training experience. Additionally if you are solution provider or systemsPG integrator seeking a primarily lab based advanced level training on thea> current set of OpenVMS technologies, this is designed for you.  K HP ETS will have strong representation from OpenVMS Engineering, as well asgI great tracks for LINUX, NT, UNIX, Storage, all the hardware technologies,-I and services. It follows the classic symposium format that DECUS and CETSo have established.:  5 I look forward to seeing you at either or both eventsn   Regardso   Mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:15:55 -0400n2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>+ Subject: Re: how external input is receivedt. Message-ID: <3D887C8B.2A244BF8@mindspring.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:  I > As Bill Todd might be quick to point out: efforts to approach MC on thenF > topic of VMS have, in the past, been deflected to Rich Marcello. I'd4 > expect the current recipient would be Mark Gorham.  ( That's the beauty of taking my approach.) By opening your actual conversation *WITH # THE PRESS* but CC'ing Capellas, youe$ bypass all those middlemen whose job/ it is to shield their bosses from any bad news.e& The low-level flunkies who screen MC's+ mail aren't paid enough to sit on this sortg( of message, not when it could have wide- ranging effects.  ' You (to a financial reporter or three):   , "Did you know that Digital/Compaq has worked8 for years to kill several of their most valuable assets,3 even though there was stlll strong customer demand? 0 Did you know that the same bozos acquired in the- Compaq/HP merger are *STILL* trying to do it? , Do you realize what will happen to HP/Compaq if they finally succeed?"w  * Copying Carly/Curly/the Board of Directors& puts them on the hot-seat. They *MUST** respond with some sort of positive message2 or accept the (quite likely truth) that their game* is now out in the open. Either way, you're. better off than you are today, twisting slowly in the wind.  5 The exact point of this gambit is to bypass Marcello, ) who has passively accepted the VMS Going-e+ Out-Of-Plan for years now. Marcello and his=1 attitude is one of the big reasons I quit Compaq..   Atlant   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 00:39:15 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) # Subject: Re: HP website integrationx= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0209172339.3905cf4b@posting.google.com>t  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D86BF5A.1BA33D52@videotron.ca>...tP > On may 7th, when Carly and Curly gave birth, Winkler made a big deal about the- > integration of the two company's web sites.e > G > Today, I noticed the following press release about some wintel stuff:i > F > HP Introduces Space-saving PCs, Thin Clients and Flat Panel Monitors >   for Business Users p > <...>e > N > More information about the Compaq Evo D510 e-pc and Compaq Evo D310v desktop > PC iss9 >   available at http://www.compaq.com/products/desktops.- > P > So, 6 months after the birth of the new HP, 6 months after Winkler had braggedL > about having integrated the two company's web sites, it seems that the web( > sites are not so integrated after all. > O > Has HP decided that the "Compaq" brand was more important than the HP brand ?xI > Or have they stumbled onto various problems that prevented true producto; > integration between the compaq and hp folks/departments ?n/ Be careful what you wish for, it may come true!e2 We have used HP printers & plotters for many years. as well as Digital and Compaq servers and pcs.? I always thought HP's website degign made it very difficult to p; find anything when compared to the Digital and Compaq sites  Phil   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 02 08:36:21 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)iG Subject: Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish. ) Message-ID: <uRQVmgihy5eJ@elias.decus.ch>i  c In article <nWC5pb6Pdk0M@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:my > In article <01KMLQ7A4H1U9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: J >>> I am seeking a replacement for the existing character-cell menu systemM >>> presently used for the OpenVMS Freeware, and submissions of a replacementrJ >>> HTML-based menuing system would be appreciated.  (The existing menuingF >>> system is good, but does not particularly lend itself to the web.) >> lJ >> Can it please be an additional option, not a replacement?  Only rarely K >> do web interfaces work better than character-cell interfaces which they  4 >> replace.  Not all folks will use it over the web. > E >    The pages at http://www.sture.homeip.net do read fairly well vialH >    lynx, although a bit staggered.  (And the freeware50/cd link points# >    to a path that doesn't exist).t > = Sorry but time is short today, so I can't fix it immediately.a  9 There are various other broken links in there too, mainly B where version numbers should have either been included or excluded from the title and link.  J I will endeavour to fix them ASAP. I now realise what a task Hoff has beenN faced with, as grabbing chunks out of mainly similar readme files works in theF main, but the phrase "a maze of twisty passages, all alike" springs to6 mind, with the caveat that a few are subtly different.   Thanks for the feedback.   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland0   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 02 08:39:51 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) G Subject: Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish.n) Message-ID: <pxXPXABzW4jy@elias.decus.ch>   c In article <nWC5pb6Pdk0M@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:ey > In article <01KMLQ7A4H1U9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:.J >>> I am seeking a replacement for the existing character-cell menu systemM >>> presently used for the OpenVMS Freeware, and submissions of a replacementtJ >>> HTML-based menuing system would be appreciated.  (The existing menuingF >>> system is good, but does not particularly lend itself to the web.) >> tJ >> Can it please be an additional option, not a replacement?  Only rarely K >> do web interfaces work better than character-cell interfaces which they i4 >> replace.  Not all folks will use it over the web. > E >    The pages at http://www.sture.homeip.net do read fairly well via H >    lynx, although a bit staggered.  (And the freeware50/cd link points# >    to a path that doesn't exist).o >   H In addition to my other response, does anyone know of a freely available? utility which you can feed a url to check for broken url links,t' (preferably running on VMS, of course)?r   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:58:25 +0100v( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>G Subject: Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish.c) Message-ID: <3D883221.A464C035@127.0.0.1>s   Paul Sture wrote:h > e > In article <nWC5pb6Pdk0M@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:m{ > > In article <01KMLQ7A4H1U9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:eL > >>> I am seeking a replacement for the existing character-cell menu systemO > >>> presently used for the OpenVMS Freeware, and submissions of a replacementnL > >>> HTML-based menuing system would be appreciated.  (The existing menuingH > >>> system is good, but does not particularly lend itself to the web.) > >>K > >> Can it please be an additional option, not a replacement?  Only rarelyrL > >> do web interfaces work better than character-cell interfaces which they6 > >> replace.  Not all folks will use it over the web. > >eG > >    The pages at http://www.sture.homeip.net do read fairly well viaiJ > >    lynx, although a bit staggered.  (And the freeware50/cd link points% > >    to a path that doesn't exist).0 > >- > J > In addition to my other response, does anyone know of a freely availableA > utility which you can feed a url to check for broken url links,t) > (preferably running on VMS, of course)?A  A Well, if I could refer you to my submission to the Freeware V5...W
 DEBUG_HTML  H OK, it's pretty basic, but it is designed to test HTML in an environmentH I use, and could be taught to be much cleverer, but could form the basis
 of something.s   -- a? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Scienceso nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:35:26 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyy% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERTt0 Message-ID: <am9s1l$sk9$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:a > Alan Greig wrote:t > E >>British Intelligence is very active in the middle east and has beena >>for a long time you know...a >  >  > M > Which begs the question: After 9-11, how come the Bitish didn't send "JameseM > Bond"  to afghanistan to find and kill Ossama without having the need for az > whole war thing ?d >   9 We did send the SAS who if you really want someone killede< are probably the right tool rather than a blockbuster action hero.   9 I suspect the problem was finding Ossama and not the willn to finish him off when found.h      P > (Come to think of it, how come he wasn't taken out of commission by the secret2 > services of UK, Israel or USA well before 9-11.)  = Well if you go back far enough he was being funded by the CIA6: so it would have been odd if they had arranged his demise.  8 And it was tried on a number of occasions once it became6 obvious that he was more of a liability than an asset.   Regards< Andrew Harrisoni   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:03:05 -0400J2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERTg. Message-ID: <3D887989.9F337AAF@mindspring.com>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:n  K > Aghanistan is a pretty big place to play "Where's Waldo?" So is Pakistan.n) > For all I know [Osama] is in Cleveland.i  3 Could be, but it's unlikely. George II's government 2 took affirmative steps *AFTER* 9/11 to ensure that4 all the bin Laden relatives were able to safely flee0 America. Yes, there were lots of them here. Yes,0 both Bush and Cheney were business partners with
 lots of them.   . Osama, you see, is just the embarrasing "black4 sheep" of the bin Laden family. All the rest of them2 are okay Joes, the kind of Islamic fundamentalists/ that we like as compared to the kind of IslamicH. fundamentalists we must destroy. (Distinction:3 the "good" bin Ladens have control of lots of Saudie oil.)    Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:53:52 +0200 * From: "Karel Sandler" <sandler@ujf.cas.cz> Subject: LAT connectiony* Message-ID: <am9pgg$htv$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz>  G I would appreciate it if someone can help me with LAT. I have some unix K alphas and two old MicroVaxes (VAX/VMS V5.4-1) now. Both have LAT, but onlytK one TCPIP. I can connect to them from alphas using unix llogin command, but$K don't know how to establish login from vax to unix, if needed. I am lookingiL for the right sequence of  LATCP and SET HOST commands, without success yet.   Thanks very much for your help.i  
 Karel Sandlers   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:55:11 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.-. Message-ID: <3D8877AF.DFC1FBF4@mindspring.com>   Bill Todd wrote:  A > "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in messageh* > news:3D875A28.A21BA5E2@mindspring.com...3 > > If you don't think the Bush's use commercial PRw > > to prop up their wars  > J > That ties in with an interesting comment I happened to catch on HeadlineM > News a few days ago.  A Bush official was describing the PR effort to build N > up sentiment (especially in Congress) for an attack on Iraq.  When asked whyF > it hadn't begun earlier, his reply was "No one launches a product in > August..."  ( That was Andrew Card, Bush's White House. Chief-of-Staff.  The latest citation I've seen* for this was an article in yesterday's San* Francisco Chronicle. and that reported the	 quote as:   -     "from a marketing point of view you don'ta&     introduce new products in August."  2 Doesn't it just give you that warm, fuzzy, "We are3 the world" kumbaya feeling to know that this is how>/ the American Government thinks about all of us?B   Bush Motto:r  &   "Privatize profits, Socialize costs"   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:58:43 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. . Message-ID: <3D887883.2E00B1B7@mindspring.com>   Bill Todd wrote:  L > No wonder [Iraq] thought we'd look the other way when they invaded Kuwait.  5 That impression, of course, was aided by the explicit-0 back-channel diplomatic assurances that Bush I's3 government gave them that we would "have no opinioni2 on their invasion of Kuwait" (I'm pretty sure that) quote represents what was actually said.)    Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:50:58 -0400r2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.p. Message-ID: <3D8876B2.D0B87A11@mindspring.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > Atlant Schmidt wrote:a >o3 > > David, I'm quite familiar with the specifics oft( > > the situation I'm citing, ... [snip] >tG > I'm sure you are. My point is that we're talking about two, separate, 1 > distinct situations surrounding the same event.    Okay.   5 I've explained the specifics (and provided citations)-0 about the incident *I'M* aware of (where we were8 clearly lied to to justify Oil War I); what incident are4 *YOU* aware of? (Don't forget to include citations.)   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:06:57 GMT11 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>r! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.l? Message-ID: <lE0i9.353639$_91.454450@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>p  8 "David Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message% news:am836d$q9d$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk...u= > In article <3D868BB1.D794819A@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"n <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e > >Atlant Schmidt wrote: > >> > >> "David J. Dachtera" wrote:  > >>6 > >> > > It turns out that many of those "attrocities"7 > >> > > (e.g., "babies tossed out of incubators so then/ > >> > > incubators could be moved to Baghdad") : > >> > > never existed except in the minds of a particular8 > >> > > PR firm that was hired to promote the war. And,6 > >> > > BTW, that same PR firm is still in the employ' > >> > > of some of the factions today.s > >> >J > >> > I think you'll find that these attrocities were documented (photos,K > >> > eye-witnesses, survivors, dying declarations of victims, etc.) quiter > >> > thoroughly. > >>- > >> Well, yes, they were documented *IF* you - > >> want to take the word of the young woman 2 > >> who first claimed them but then turned out to1 > >> be part of the Kuwaiti royal family, a groupd1 > >> with a definite vested interest in having us / > >> come to Kuwait and save their royal a**es.( > >cK > >Well, unless she was accompanied by the vangard of the US troops, a filmuJ > >crew, and teams of reporters and photographers, I'm sure you're talking! > >about something else entirely.  > > I > >PLEASE! Go to the library and look it up. Remember, the Internet was aDJ > >"what's that?" thing back in the Gulf War days - I'm fairly certain you > >won't find it on-line.l > >b >o >cH > David you really are gullible if you believed the babies tossed out ofH > incubators story. The "enemy are monsters who kill babies" myth has an' > extremely long history as propaganda.e >m  I But it must be true! Adter all, remember all those heart-wrenching pix ofoL Saddam's "Baby Milk Factory" that we evil. imperilistic, warmongering brutesE so callously bombed during the training run for the impending dose ofg! whoop-ass for Dear Leader Saddam?   J Nwever mind that the "Baby Milk Factory" signs were scrawled on carddboardD and the pix were on FondaVision; just shows you what 20 years of NEA indoctrination will do. ;-}l   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:09:16 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>e! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.t? Message-ID: <wG0i9.316893$kp.1043097@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>n  ? "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message ( news:3D8876B2.D0B87A11@mindspring.com... > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >- > > Atlant Schmidt wrote:a > >u5 > > > David, I'm quite familiar with the specifics ofb* > > > the situation I'm citing, ... [snip] > >wI > > I'm sure you are. My point is that we're talking about two, separate,o3 > > distinct situations surrounding the same event.  >s > Okay.@ >s7 > I've explained the specifics (and provided citations) 2 > about the incident *I'M* aware of (where we were: > clearly lied to to justify Oil War I); what incident are6 > *YOU* aware of? (Don't forget to include citations.)   Ah, so it was about OIL!  H Guess we were fed a bunch of lies about weapons of mass destruction, the rape of Kuwait, etc.  J And where were the tree-huggers when Beloved Leader Saddam torched off all the oil wells?   Hypocrites.-   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 12:19:37 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)j! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.g3 Message-ID: <lGp1OEE9LoH4@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  b In article <GBLh9.450483$me6.54222@sccrnsc01>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:  L > Having been in the intel business and distinctly recalling JFK's PR on theM > Cuban Missile Crisis (heck, we had U-2 photos showing Soviet troops readingoJ > Pravda or Playboy in roofless privies, for heaven's sake, and JFK wasn'tF > reluctant to compromise the collection assets with his show and tellE > routine) I really have to wonder why Bush didn't see fit to produce@K > something more tangible. Assuming he has such to produce, and I haven't aSK > clue one way or the other. Having read the works of Gertz, I have a hunch 6 > that there are some pictures or something somewhere. > L > Whatever, not a very convincing job. Have to wait and see what the British' > Cousins produce on the 24th, I guess.   E    According to Powell on Sunday, there's nothing new to produce.  NohH    smoking gun.  No gun parts.  No ammo.  Just a very strong belief thatF    Saddam is working hard on getting them, and maybe a few screws that=    would fit in a gun if you designed to use that size screw.t  D    And oh yes, if he ever does get that gun we're all screwed by the	    smoke.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:26:36 +01002( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>7 Subject: Re: Opcom when SYSGEN modifies the params file ) Message-ID: <3D881C9C.114F2D6C@127.0.0.1>>   JF Mezei wrote:  > N > Just looked in the old V5.5-2 manual (the last "real" books) and for SYSGEN,N > there didn't appear to be a parameter that one could specify to force SYSGENC > to write an OPCOM message whenever it modified a parameters file.  > K > I remember it being very useful when propagating soem changes to multipleFE > system roots from a since session (USE <filename> , SET xxx , WRITEsO > <filename>) and the opcom messages were a confirmation I wrote it properly intN > the operator.log. It was a onle line OPCOM message (below the OPCOM header),7 > as opposed to the standard audit multi line messages.r   Hey, look at this:   C2\$1$DIA1:[NCLEWS]> mcr sysgen  SYSGEN>  USE CURRENT SYSGEN>  WRITE ACTIVEC SYSGEN>p8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  18-SEP-2002 07:17:29.27  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on CYTSWS5 Security alarm (SECURITY) on CYTSWS, system id: 46084S. Auditable event:          SYSGEN parameter set1 Event time:               18-SEP-2002 07:17:29.22w" PID:                      20E0006F  Process name:             _TNA1:  Username:                 NCLEWS& Process owner:            [CSC,NCLEWS] Terminal name:            TNA1: E Image name:               $2$DKA0:[SYS1.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYSGEN.EXE-  Parameters write:         Active! Parameters inuse:         Currento   SYSGEN>  USE CURRENT SYSGEN>  SET RECNXINTERVAL 60w SYSGEN>a SYSGEN>  WRITE CURRENT8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  18-SEP-2002 07:18:04.63  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user NCLEWS on CYTSWSD %SYSGEN-I-WRITECUR, CURRENT system parameters modified by process ID 20E0006F in - to file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR;1e   SYSGEN>18 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  18-SEP-2002 07:18:04.64  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on CYTSWS5 Security alarm (SECURITY) on CYTSWS, system id: 46084S. Auditable event:          SYSGEN parameter set1 Event time:               18-SEP-2002 07:18:04.63t" PID:                      20E0006F  Process name:             _TNA1:  Username:                 NCLEWS& Process owner:            [CSC,NCLEWS] Terminal name:            TNA1: E Image name:               $2$DKA0:[SYS1.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYSGEN.EXEe? Parameters write:         SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR;1a! Parameters inuse:         Currente   SYSGEN>e  H The important thing to note is that I did not modify any parameters, andA did NOT get the OPCOM message (but did get an AUDIT) on the WRITEsH CURRENT, but on the second time when I did change a parameter, I got the# OPCOM as well as the AUDIT message.a  C This was on an Alpha 6.2, repeating the same on a VAX 7.3, no OPCOMZ message from SYSGEN...   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencess nclews at csc dot comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:05:30 -0700p$ From: "Bob M. Lee" <rboblee@aol.com>+ Subject: Re: OpenOffice ODBC and Oracle Rdbt& Message-ID: <3D884FEA.8060903@aol.com>   From:s  D The driver implementations provide an API similiar to the JDBC API. H Currently there are implementations for JDBC, ODBC 3.0, dBase, ADO, and  CSV files available.  1 The ODBC source code is in C++ and is located at:r  M http://dba.openoffice.org/source/browse/dba/connectivity/source/drivers/odbc/   # The JDBC source code is located at:D  M http://dba.openoffice.org/source/browse/dba/connectivity/source/drivers/jdbc/a  H The only thing that might be preventing the ODBC connection from workingH is that the current "Oracle Rdb ODBC Driver" is reported to be a "Thick < Client" ODBC-implementation.  It might be the case that the F OpenOffice.org folks anticipated a "Thin Client" ODBC-implementation, A but this would be diametrically opposed to the MS "Thick Client" 2 ODBC-implementations.   , That's about all that I can suggest for now,   	Hope this helps,o   			-bob lee-  ! 		mailto:rbobleenospamataoldotcom.       Alder wrote: > Michael Austin wrote:o >  >> Alder wrote:[ >>L >>> In an effort to reduce my personal reliance on Billyware, I've installedI >>> the OpenOffice suite on a Windows machine here at home.  I could findnJ >>> some use for the suite if I could make a successful ODBC connection toK >>> the Oracle Rdb database at work, but so far have been unable to make it  >>> happen.i >>>,J >>> Anyone here manage to make a successful ODBC connection with an OracleD >>> Rdb database from the OpenOffice 1.0 or 1.0.1 suite of programs? >>>f >>> Regards,	 >>> Aldert >> >> >>F >> have you tried installing the Oracle ODBC driver for Rdb? It is not  >> billyware but may be related. >>J >> A better forum for this question would be the Rdb List server sponsored >> by WWW.JCC.COM  >  > K > Sorry, I should have mentioned that I have the Oracle Rdb Driver 3.00.02 iI > installed and have used it successfully with MSQuery and other clients DH > to connect with my Rdb databases.  It's just that OpenOffice seems to  > have a problem with it.o > K > I've also tried subscribing to the JCC list in the past.  It didn't seem e> > to generate any messages, but maybe I'll try again.  Thanks. >  > Aldero >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:38:51 -0700 $ From: "Bob M. Lee" <rboblee@aol.com>+ Subject: Re: OpenOffice ODBC and Oracle Rdb1& Message-ID: <3D8857BB.6000400@aol.com>  H One other thing - Upgrade to Oracle Rdb v7.1 - SQL*Net for Rdb (NET8) - H will support JDBC thin-clients with better SQL*Plus language compliance 4 than before. (Besides that Rdb v7.1 SQL likes JAVA.)  # See: Kevin Duffy's presentation at:e  H http://otn.oracle.com/products/rdb/pdf/rdb_nyc_java_and_xml_with_rdb.pdf   for more information.f  
 	-bob lee-   Bob M. Lee wrote:t > From:t > F > The driver implementations provide an API similiar to the JDBC API. J > Currently there are implementations for JDBC, ODBC 3.0, dBase, ADO, and  > CSV files available. > 3 > The ODBC source code is in C++ and is located at:. > P > http://dba.openoffice.org/source/browse/dba/connectivity/source/drivers/odbc/  >  > % > The JDBC source code is located at:: > P > http://dba.openoffice.org/source/browse/dba/connectivity/source/drivers/jdbc/  >  > J > The only thing that might be preventing the ODBC connection from workingJ > is that the current "Oracle Rdb ODBC Driver" is reported to be a "Thick > > Client" ODBC-implementation.  It might be the case that the H > OpenOffice.org folks anticipated a "Thin Client" ODBC-implementation, C > but this would be diametrically opposed to the MS "Thick Client" w > ODBC-implementations.. > . > That's about all that I can suggest for now, >  >     Hope this helps, >  >             -bob lee-y > ) >         mailto:rbobleenospamataoldotcomi >  >  >  > Alder wrote: >  >> Michael Austin wrote: >> >>> Alder wrote: >>>eD >>>> In an effort to reduce my personal reliance on Billyware, I've  >>>> installedJ >>>> the OpenOffice suite on a Windows machine here at home.  I could findK >>>> some use for the suite if I could make a successful ODBC connection to L >>>> the Oracle Rdb database at work, but so far have been unable to make it >>>> happen. >>>>K >>>> Anyone here manage to make a successful ODBC connection with an Oracle E >>>> Rdb database from the OpenOffice 1.0 or 1.0.1 suite of programs?0 >>>>
 >>>> Regards,y
 >>>> Alder >>>c >>>  >>>c >>>:G >>> have you tried installing the Oracle ODBC driver for Rdb? It is not0! >>> billyware but may be related.a >>>1K >>> A better forum for this question would be the Rdb List server sponsorede >>> by WWW.JCC.COM >> >> >>D >> Sorry, I should have mentioned that I have the Oracle Rdb Driver J >> 3.00.02 installed and have used it successfully with MSQuery and other H >> clients to connect with my Rdb databases.  It's just that OpenOffice # >> seems to have a problem with it./ >>G >> I've also tried subscribing to the JCC list in the past.  It didn't nD >> seem to generate any messages, but maybe I'll try again.  Thanks. >> >> Alder >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:46:55 +0200 8 From: "Martin Zijderhand" <martin.zijderhand@centric.nl>. Subject: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS.2 Message-ID: <am9772$vvm$1@magellan.sys.centric.nl>  G Is there someone who has experience with a Alpha with OpenVMS 7.2 and aiJ PowerWare ups. Which software is needed to shutdown the Alpha when the Ups request to?e   Martin Zijderhand,   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:56:53 GMTt From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGt2 Subject: Re: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS.0 Message-ID: <00A14269.089E94A5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <am9772$vvm$1@magellan.sys.centric.nl>, "Martin Zijderhand" <martin.zijderhand@centric.nl> writes:iH >Is there someone who has experience with a Alpha with OpenVMS 7.2 and aK >PowerWare ups. Which software is needed to shutdown the Alpha when the Upse >request to? >  >Martin Zijderhand >C >u  J I have a product for APC's line of UPSs.  The product is called UPShot andK works very well on VMS with APCs UPS.  It does so because there is a simple K but informative protocol "dialog" between UPS and the software.  Most other7I UPS manufacturers do not provide detailed information about the status ofsJ the UPS and the line power conditions.  Most of these UPSs simply inform aK protected system that they are or are not running on battery provided back-wL up power.  On these units, a signal is usually provided that's high (or low)K when on line-power and low (or high) when on battery.  You can connect this J signal to a terminal port's DSR on a VAX or Alpha and monitor it for state- changes to signal a need for system shutdown.t   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            n5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:47:27 +0200u" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>2 Subject: Re: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS.5 Message-ID: <amae7s$44ssp$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>r  E No practical experience with a PowerWare ups, but perhaps an idea. ItUK assumes two things: one: that the ups has a serial interface; two: it sends 7 something to that port when it detects a power failure.hK On the VMS system you can then use SYS$MANAGER:ALFMAINT.COM; as soon as anytL activity is detected on a specified terminal port it will log a certain userL on. That user will execute LOGIN.COM and given sufficient privilges can shutJ down the system directly, or more safely send a REPLY to selected users to shut the system.H Downside of the solution: spikes on the terminal cable might trigger theH procedure and there may be safety/security issues that you might want to look into. YMMV.     HansE "Martin Zijderhand" <martin.zijderhand@centric.nl> schreef in berichtn, news:am9772$vvm$1@magellan.sys.centric.nl...I > Is there someone who has experience with a Alpha with OpenVMS 7.2 and auL > PowerWare ups. Which software is needed to shutdown the Alpha when the Ups
 > request to?s >W > Martin Zijderhand  >l >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:35:42 +0530u5 From: "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com>e Subject: Problem on OpenVMS 7.1r/ Message-ID: <uogn2mha1po1b4@corp.supernews.com>d   Hi  * I am encountering a problem on OpenVMS 7.1  H The lexical F$GETSYI("AVAILCPU_CNT")  returns the correct number of CPUsL when executed for the local system (VMS 7.1). However when it is used to getJ the number of CPUs for remote nodes in the cluster it returns the value 0.I This occurs only for OpenVMS 7.1 for higher version of OpenVMS(7.2 & 7.3): this works fine.  G What's wrong? Do I need to install any patch for OpenVMS7.1 to get this: correct.   Please advise.   Thanks Sandeepe     Commands used: -----------------k' $ cnt = f$getsyi("availcpu_cnt", "OAK")u $ show symbol cntc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:15:15 -0400n; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>s# Subject: RE: Problem on OpenVMS 7.1nK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEAD0@rlghncst964.usps.gov>c   It works fine for me.a   Here's how you do it:a   $ TYPE SHOW_PROCESSORS.COM  ) $ if f$mode() .eqs. "BATCH" then goto NXTi $ CONTEXT = "" $ BGN: $ ID = f$csid(CONTEXT) $ if ID .eqs. "" then goto NXT
 $! NODNM =
 $! BTIM  = $ write sys$output -H   "Node ''f$getsyi("NODENAME",,id)' has ''f$getsyi("AVAILCPU_CNT",,id)'"
 $ goto BGN $ NXT: $ exit   $ @SHOW_PROCESSORS Node <redacted> has 4  Node <redacted> has 4i Node <redacted> has 3o Node <redacted> has 3p   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----< From: "Sandeep Yelwatkar" [mailto:Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com]+ Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:05 AMy To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com"  Subject: Problem on OpenVMS 7.1n     Hi  * I am encountering a problem on OpenVMS 7.1  H The lexical F$GETSYI("AVAILCPU_CNT")  returns the correct number of CPUsL when executed for the local system (VMS 7.1). However when it is used to getJ the number of CPUs for remote nodes in the cluster it returns the value 0.I This occurs only for OpenVMS 7.1 for higher version of OpenVMS(7.2 & 7.3)  this works fine.  G What's wrong? Do I need to install any patch for OpenVMS7.1 to get this  correct.   Please advise.   Thanks Sandeep      Commands used: -----------------n' $ cnt = f$getsyi("availcpu_cnt", "OAK")d $ show symbol cntp   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:04:03 -0400i> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>Y Subject: RE: Recommendations for Win2K Pro NFS client for use with TCPIP V	5.1 NFS servereM Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D032C3C59@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>a  G I've found  that NetManage's Chameleon UNIXLink 97 has worked very wellSG on WinNT 4.0 and Win2000 against OpenVMS 7.1 through 7.3-1 and MultinetsL 4.3a through 4.4 with use of ACLs on exports.  Most other NFS clients I have/ worked with, did not work with ACLs on exports.   I Netmanage is at www.netmanage.com . I believe UNIXLink 97 is one of theireH older products with limited support, but a well working one in my hands.  C Perhaps Chameleon UNIXLink 97 would work with TCPIP V5.1eco4.  I am 1 fairly certain NetManage would provide eval copy.o   :) jck
 John Koska   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: jordan@ccs4vms.com [mailto:jordan@ccs4vms.com]. > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:47 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComoF > Subject: Recommendations for Win2K Pro NFS client for use with TCPIP > V5.1 NFS serverh >  > E > We just spent a lovely 3 days trying to get microsoft 'services fortB > unix, V3.0' to provide a usable NFS client on both NT4.0sp6a andD > W2Ksp2 systems.  The server is a DS10, VMS V7.2-1 (fully patched),F > TCPIP V5.1eco4.  We're able to mount the filesystems exported by theE > Alpha on a separate VMS system so we know the server is OK, but thesD > string of problems with the MS client just killed it as an option. > G > We are not willing to put pathworks on the Alpha (or Samba) for other F > reasons, and only one PC running a particular service needs to share > disk space with the Alpha. > G > I've located several different vendors, and some recommendations, butqB > didn't see any specific recommendations here in COV.  Can anyoneC > recommend a fairly self contained (doesn't need active directory,/E > doesn't need windows name mapping, doesn't need NIS, comes with all H > you need to make Win2K an NFS client for VMS 7.2-1/TCPIP V5.1, and not% > too much other un-necessary fluff)?i >  > Thanks > 
 > Rich Jordan  > CCS  >    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 09:47:22 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)T Subject: Recommendations for Win2K Pro NFS client for use with TCPIP V5.1 NFS server= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0209180847.77db865c@posting.google.com>-  C We just spent a lovely 3 days trying to get microsoft 'services forw@ unix, V3.0' to provide a usable NFS client on both NT4.0sp6a andB W2Ksp2 systems.  The server is a DS10, VMS V7.2-1 (fully patched),D TCPIP V5.1eco4.  We're able to mount the filesystems exported by theC Alpha on a separate VMS system so we know the server is OK, but thenB string of problems with the MS client just killed it as an option.  E We are not willing to put pathworks on the Alpha (or Samba) for other D reasons, and only one PC running a particular service needs to share disk space with the Alpha.  E I've located several different vendors, and some recommendations, but @ didn't see any specific recommendations here in COV.  Can anyoneA recommend a fairly self contained (doesn't need active directory,rC doesn't need windows name mapping, doesn't need NIS, comes with all F you need to make Win2K an NFS client for VMS 7.2-1/TCPIP V5.1, and not# too much other un-necessary fluff)?.   Thanks   Rich Jordana CCS    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:42:50 +0100b From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>e. Subject: Re: Saveset distribution over the web) Message-ID: <3D883C8A.232725F6@Omond.net>f   Jim Agnew wrote:  H > For my experience, I backup into a saveset, then zip it, then uuencodeH > it and i have NO problems whatsoever across all versions of vms, unix,E > dos, windows.  my backup savesets get there as uuencode no problem.e >g > overkill, tho.. !!!!  B My experience is the exact opposite of this.  Every time Micros**t? Exchange is involved, it seems to uudecode anything that's been < uuencoded (and makes a mess of the resulting file), which is> completely and utterly against the RFC's (try sending a *text*= file that starts with a line that looks like a uuencoded filel" i.e. "begin 777 x.x" or whatever).   As always, YMMV.  	 Roy Omond. Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:29:09 +1000e1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>>. Subject: Re: Saveset distribution over the web, Message-ID: <3D885575.2090209@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Roy Omond wrote: > Jim Agnew wrote: >  > H >>For my experience, I backup into a saveset, then zip it, then uuencodeH >>it and i have NO problems whatsoever across all versions of vms, unix,E >>dos, windows.  my backup savesets get there as uuencode no problem.i >> >>overkill, tho.. !!!! >  > D > My experience is the exact opposite of this.  Every time Micros**tA > Exchange is involved, it seems to uudecode anything that's been > > uuencoded (and makes a mess of the resulting file), which is@ > completely and utterly against the RFC's (try sending a *text*? > file that starts with a line that looks like a uuencoded filen$ > i.e. "begin 777 x.x" or whatever). >  > As always, YMMV. >  > Roy Omondd > Blue Bubble Ltd.  I Well, Jim's way is the way I always used to do it when I had egress from   VMS (my old zzz subdomain).h  E Now that I have to use this new, wonderful OS, anything that doesn't nA read as "Mary had a little lamb" (err, the clean versions :-) is  F immediately quaranteened.  For some reason BG does not like UUENCODE: / not an open (in Microsoft terminology) program.-   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************S  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedo> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisetB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.n  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid wA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the e= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with oC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesi> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment."e  G ***********************************************************************s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:38:40 +1000e1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>i. Subject: Re: Saveset distribution over the web* Message-ID: <3D8857B0.10203@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Paddy O'Brien wrote: >  >  > Roy Omond wrote: >  >> Jim Agnew wrote:t >> >>J >>> For my experience, I backup into a saveset, then zip it, then uuencodeJ >>> it and i have NO problems whatsoever across all versions of vms, unix,G >>> dos, windows.  my backup savesets get there as uuencode no problem.n >>>h >>> overkill, tho.. !!!! >> >> >>E >> My experience is the exact opposite of this.  Every time Micros**t2B >> Exchange is involved, it seems to uudecode anything that's been? >> uuencoded (and makes a mess of the resulting file), which isbA >> completely and utterly against the RFC's (try sending a *text*c@ >> file that starts with a line that looks like a uuencoded file% >> i.e. "begin 777 x.x" or whatever).e >> >> As always, YMMV.r >> >> Roy Omond >> Blue Bubble Ltd.  >  > K > Well, Jim's way is the way I always used to do it when I had egress from n > VMS (my old zzz subdomain).d > G > Now that I have to use this new, wonderful OS, anything that doesn't dC > read as "Mary had a little lamb" (err, the clean versions :-) is nH > immediately quaranteened.  For some reason BG does not like UUENCODE:   > sorry, "quarantined" You've just gotta believe in Altzheimers.  1 > not an open (in Microsoft terminology) program.a >  > Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************t  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviselB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.s  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid rA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the C= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with sC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses2> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment."R  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:23:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>.. Subject: Re: Saveset distribution over the web, Message-ID: <3D886221.352B21D7@videotron.ca>   Paddy O'Brien wrote:@ > sorry, "quarantined" You've just gotta believe in Altzheimers.  0 http://satirewire.com/news/jan02/australia.shtml  G Explains why you might be slightly confused, dazed and disoriented. :-)b    M And this also explains the poor structuring of the TCPIP product and the bugs  in it...  K I think we should threathen to send missiles to destroy the Tim Tam factorytM unless the HP employees stop surfing in the sun and get back to their offices)) to fix and organise the TCPIP product :-)e  N And the USA would do the world a favour if it destroyed Australia's bio-weaponN factory. The one that spews out that vile product called Vegemite that is fullQ of yeast infections. The stuff is more potent than anything Irak can produce. :-)-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:22:54 +1000h9 From: forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth)S. Subject: Re: Saveset distribution over the web7 Message-ID: <slrnaogs0r.lk.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>t  Y On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:23:15 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> gushed forth:i >Paddy O'Brien wrote:lA >> sorry, "quarantined" You've just gotta believe in Altzheimers.s >s1 >http://satirewire.com/news/jan02/australia.shtmla >eH >Explains why you might be slightly confused, dazed and disoriented. :-) >   K Don't you worry about us, mate. We'll be right as soon as we get rid of thesJ hangovers and get the pubs open. After a cleansing ale ( or 90 ) we'll get it all worked out.   >eN >And this also explains the poor structuring of the TCPIP product and the bugs	 >in it...u >mL >I think we should threathen to send missiles to destroy the Tim Tam factoryN >unless the HP employees stop surfing in the sun and get back to their offices* >to fix and organise the TCPIP product :-)  S If HP end up being the cause of the Tim Tam factory being bombed they'll have a lotfR more to worry about than a certain Middle Eastern character who's been in the news5 a bit of late. Can you say nostril deep Vegemite ????w   >hO >And the USA would do the world a favour if it destroyed Australia's bio-weapongO >factory. The one that spews out that vile product called Vegemite that is fullIR >of yeast infections. The stuff is more potent than anything Irak can produce. :-)    T Bloody Philistine. It's not FULL of yeast infections. It IS a yeast infection. It's T good stuff too - I had some on toast this morning and there's nothing wrong with me. with meo with mec with me. .s .t .e .N with meg with me8     -- 1     Ooroor	 Mark F...   $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:00:39 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>2 Subject: Re: So help me understand (OpenVMS) here.) Message-ID: <3D8832A7.F7C96C5E@127.0.0.1>d   Questions Dude wrote:  > I > Okay, first I just came accross VMS like three days ago and was messing 9 > around w/ the system but I can't get past a few things.a > I > 1) Everyone says its dead and yet still this group is active, I've seendI > some universities that still have help documents on it etc.  What's thenE > deal?  With all the talk of VMS being dead because of the Compaq/HPtI > merger it sure as hell looks alive to me.  I mean they are even porting'I > it to the new Itanium chips.  Since original was 64 bit alpha this shit H > sould be natural.  They are coming out w/ newer versions of this thing > off an on.  What gives?h  B HP (formerly Compaq, formerly digital) choose to keep it a secret.   I > 2) What kind of systems are you people running on your VMS on?  All the2H > pictures I see are of cabinet size machines with magnetic tapes on allI > of them in like 70's style casing.  I doubt you ppl still use those!  IoF > mean processors speeds, RAM, disk space etc.  Are they blade servers > etc?  C There are more VMS systems than you can find in the catalogs, a feweD users I know use some quite quirky hardware with blade type systems.7 "Reflective memory" from VMIC (http://www.vmic.com/ andsF http://www.vmic.com/products/reflectivememory/index.html ) lets VMS do; real time multi platform communication for some interesting H applications. Regular kits looks like regular kit, workstation size, and0 the big boxes are big but also capable of a lot.  F > 3)  The damn thing has everything ported to it right?  I mean ORACLEB > runs on it?  You got a graphical user interface etc.  So tell meI > honestly why does it fall short of other systems.  Why wouldn't you useeB > VMS to say run a website or run a mail server, print server etc.  E No and yes. No, VMS has not got everything ported to it, and some keydH applications to some users are not ported. On the other hand, those that= are completely serious about what VMS offers employ their ownnF programmers. Ported applications often do not make the best use of the9 operating systems features, just its overall reliability.0  1C > 4)  What about programming?  I just compiled some C code and somejJ > FORTRAN 90 stuff and it seemed to work fine for me.  Why aren't the sameH > applications available for VMS that are written in those languages forC > other OS.  C is standard.  Java is standard(yea, yea, I read some1H > threads where ppl are complaining that the java compiler is written in? > java and too slow but, what about now?  Its still like that?)   F There are some vestiges of UNIX systems that VMS doesn't fully supportA yet, but an environment bringing the UNIX C (particularly Solaris C compatibility / UNIX98) is available at version 7.3-1 and is set tonF improve. Search this newsgroup under google and look for the name Brad McCusker for more details.    fG > 5)  I only hear talk of memory swapping and tight security etc.  What>C > good is any of this stuff to anyone?  I mean does the health care D > industry, auto industry, military, educational institutions, dairyJ > industry, or any other businesses rely on VMS?  What can it be best usedF > for.  Like Bio-technology since its super fast on 64-bit processors?  F Partly because these are the few remaining major industries using VMS,D and therefore HP (Compaq) have chosen to target them. VMS to me is aD general purpose high quality operating system that can be applied toE anything with the correct programmers. The programming environment iscA second to none. Some are used for satellite control, mobile phoneiG messaging and billing, software development harness (and eventual crossy) compilation), 24 hour production control.   A The nice thing about VMS is when a worm or virus hits it, it doesrH nothing, Not affected. Slapper worm? Microsoft holes? Irrelevant to VMS.A A rumour I heard says that VMS is excluded from this years DEFCONoF because it isn't LINUX. More like they know its pointless wasting time trying to hack into it.e  J >   I just have a user account on some guy's machine but man this thing isH > interesting to me.  I mean I've worked on *nix stuff and also PC stuffJ > but I never knew other kinds of stuff was still around.  I'm really intoH > this thing.  I can't do a lick of advanced stuff on it.  I do edit/tpuF > and junk and just send mail etc.  I just want to get a feel for DCL.5 > Can any of you recommend some cool projects for me.i  F First thing to remember about 'just' having a user account is that youG are the system manager of your user environment. If you create a numberjA of [your] processes, you can control and observe them as a system7C manager would the whole system. DCL is a solution often looking forrD problems. A contributor here (Hoff) has written a fine book "WritingE Real Programs in DCL (2nd ed.)" and could be used to have a few ideas  for projects of your own.   E Many years ago I wrote a printed paper quota enforcing system in DCL. D Print too many pages in a given timeframe, and you were stopped from  printing, unless you paid a fee!    F > I'm a computer engineering student and I was just messing around andJ > this guy offered me an account to learn the OS.  I really want to dig inI > but I have no clue what to do on there.  I don't mean to sound ignorant ; > nor do I want to sound like a troll but I'm just curious.u  G Your curiosity is welcomed. Start at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ andoG check out the FAQ hosted from there. There are all sorts of levels, andvF the OpenVMS (to give the OS its proper name) documentation set is also available online.-  @ A hobbyist program is also available, where you can run your ownA system(s). Commercially, the man years and quality present in the-B operating system, makes it more expensive than most, yet the hobbyH program allows users group members access to the full range on licences,C plus some third party products, for just a membership subscription.J  G When you have a question, ask here, you'll almost always get an answer,i, or at least start an interesting discussion.  @ (Repost corrected subject that perhaps got otherwise overlooked) -- s? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesl nclews at csc dot coms   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:13:22 GMTs- From: "labadie" <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr>y' Subject: Re: So help me understand her.e1 Message-ID: <CAWh9.3$eK4.117821@news.cpqcorp.net>s  6 "Questions Dude" <reply@newsgoup.com> wrote in message& news:3D87F681.3F13EBE1@newsgoup.com...I > Okay, first I just came accross VMS like three days ago and was messingl9 > around w/ the system but I can't get past a few things.g >nI > 1) Everyone says its dead and yet still this group is active, I've seenr  ! Check the roadmap and projects onaB http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm  - http://www.openvms.compaq.com/tud/TECHUPD.htmt5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/tud/OpenVMSStrategy.htm-I http://www.openvms.compaq.com/presentations/openvms_strategy_overview.htmi   Have a look at the docs at" http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/  
 at the faq ats5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.htmlF   at the freeware at' http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/     F > 3)  The damn thing has everything ported to it right?  I mean ORACLE
 > runs on it?s Yesy Have a look at) http://starlet.deltatel.ru/tech-stuff.htmo about Oracle on Vmsi    Regards   Grard   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:01:18 +0100 (MET)f9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>f" Subject: Re: SRM Console Variables; Message-ID: <01KMN8UJJDPG9QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   J > f$setenv is not documented and works on a limited number of items, amongF > them auto_action, but some serious testing is required if you do not >  want to crash.   B I quoted from the HELP on 7.3, so at least there it is documented.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 12:34:04 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Sybase and VMS 3 Message-ID: <rT5k0PsMcR6m@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <M6w87HckHPtd@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:  > @ > I forgot to mention that when I sat next to a Sybase fellow onB > the flight from New Jersey to Oakland he mentioned that they had; > some "big customers" that insisted on VMS 7.3+ support.  eA > I inferred from the tone of the conversation that it meant thatYA > those that had support, and were big enough, still got support.N  B    If you're big enough you can get just about anything.  You just@    have to be big enough that the vendor sees your needs as it's
    profit.   E    I've sadly seen a few vendors drop support for VMS simply because ]?    the last site using the product on VMS stopped doing so.  No7    customers:  no support.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 12:36:10 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Sybase and VMS 3 Message-ID: <JyLxgBN8rR1f@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <3D879316.F27853D3@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:e  M > I'm not knocking Marty, but surely if you are using VMS and there is a lack O > of talent then you train those "only know unix" grads on VMS. Surely a better$Q > attitude would be "What, you only know unix and are not prepared to learn VMS,   > where is that pink slip?"   E    We've got an admin here that seems to only know Windows, but thosegB    things take so much work we have more than 1 full time employee    doing it anyhow.   B    Generally when I hire someone I toss any resume that shows onlyH    one system.  When I hire someone I know it will be easy to teach them    VMS..   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:09:53 +0200s$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> Subject: Re: Symposium Sessions,* Message-ID: <00A142C7.0CD4DD36.5@decus.de>   "Craig A. Berry" wrote:j  , > In article <am552u$m28$2@web1.cup.hp.com>,6 >  hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote: >pC > >   I expect to be presenting various sessions likely including ar sessionl > <snip> > >   that was to0> > >   be entitled "OpenVMS Freeware, an Insider's View of Open
 Source", a> > >   session on using and on porting open-source code over to OpenVMS. >yC > Assuming the open source presentation is not what resulted in thep NDAaD > for the symposium :-) . . .  I'd be very much interested in seeing3 > these materials publicly available at some point.n  C So am I; and I suppose a lot of people which can not participate ineC that event for various reasons (budget, distance, ...). This may be ( extended to all "non-NDA" presentations.  = As far as I remember there were at least some of the CETS2001iB engineers' presentations published at the Compaq OpenVMS web site.   Michaels   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:14:50 +1000-1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>  Subject: Re: sysuaf and friends , Message-ID: <3D88521A.2090409@tg.nsw.gov.au>  I Thanks to all for your replies (Phillip,John, Rob, Alan -- and apoligies sI if I've missed anyone).  I appreciate the speed of help, especially as I e@ am off for 3-4 weeks in 24 hours time, and am trying to save my  colleagues too much trouble.  E [John, you're perfectly correct in the attitudes of those causing me  6 this grief after about 10 years of no hassle working.]  H BTW, I've lost internet access and mail from VMS. I have been forced to I use Mozilla to access an Outhouse mail account.  Consequently, I have no OC easy access to the manuals, especially as the doc CD's are getting .G harder to use with the different formats. Have you ever heard the word oG "vendetta" (against VMS) and a little company to whom we pay a fortune   called Gartner :-(((  D O.k., I use /ignore=interlock on my backup and was able to retrieve C net$proxy.dat and qman$master.dat (the only files that I could not t- copy).  I also retrieved sys$queue_manager.*.   G I found that since stop/queue/manager had /cluster added (7.2?).  This dI seems a *necessary* qualifier to shut down the manager.  I restarted the  E Alpha manager pointing the database to its own sys$system directory.  G The queues were retained from the files copied, but the content of the OF queues was lost.  No hassle, I re-submitted the batch jobs we have -- & check tomorrow whether they worked :-)  G My VAX and Alpha queues and SYSUAF, etc. are different, but it doesn't tE matter because I'm the only VAX user.  I can log in from either node Q
 correctly.   One thing I do have to ask:t  G In Modparams, I have a parameter: bootnode.  If the VAX is taken down, iF the Alpha is "slugged" until the VAX joins the cluster, and I suspect E this is the cause.  As mentioned it is many years since I set up the   cluster, cannot easily RTFM.  C In Modparams.dat, this is yes on the VAX and NO on the Alpha.  I'm eC guessing that, since I want the Alpha to boot independly I need to .L reverse these.  However, in SYSMAN/SYSGEN, I cannot see this as a parameter.  I Do I need (I suspect) and how to reset this parameter to get my Alpha to e: boot independently of the VAX which used to be the master.  I As I said it's a long while since I clustered things and a while since I r could comfortably RTFM.     I I wanted to check whether this parameter is dynamic. And whether this is p all I need to worry about.    1 TIA, and it is now only 21 hours before I fly :-)"   Regards, Paddy        G ***********************************************************************n  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegeds> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviseeB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.s  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid IA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the a= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with pC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesi> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.">  G ***********************************************************************s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:59:23 GMT 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: Re: sysuaf and friends + Message-ID: <3D8892CA.609DD50A@digital.com>>   Paddy O'Brien wrote: > J > Thanks to all for your replies (Phillip,John, Rob, Alan -- and apoligiesJ > if I've missed anyone).  I appreciate the speed of help, especially as IA > am off for 3-4 weeks in 24 hours time, and am trying to save myt > colleagues too much trouble. > F > [John, you're perfectly correct in the attitudes of those causing me8 > this grief after about 10 years of no hassle working.] > I > BTW, I've lost internet access and mail from VMS. I have been forced to J > use Mozilla to access an Outhouse mail account.  Consequently, I have noD > easy access to the manuals, especially as the doc CD's are gettingH > harder to use with the different formats. Have you ever heard the wordH > "vendetta" (against VMS) and a little company to whom we pay a fortune > called Gartner :-((( > E > O.k., I use /ignore=interlock on my backup and was able to retrieveeD > net$proxy.dat and qman$master.dat (the only files that I could not/ > copy).  I also retrieved sys$queue_manager.*.e > H > I found that since stop/queue/manager had /cluster added (7.2?).  ThisJ > seems a *necessary* qualifier to shut down the manager.  I restarted theF > Alpha manager pointing the database to its own sys$system directory.H > The queues were retained from the files copied, but the content of theG > queues was lost.  No hassle, I re-submitted the batch jobs we have --o( > check tomorrow whether they worked :-) > H > My VAX and Alpha queues and SYSUAF, etc. are different, but it doesn'tF > matter because I'm the only VAX user.  I can log in from either node > correctly. >  > One thing I do have to ask:n > H > In Modparams, I have a parameter: bootnode.  If the VAX is taken down,G > the Alpha is "slugged" until the VAX joins the cluster, and I suspect F > this is the cause.  As mentioned it is many years since I set up the > cluster, cannot easily RTFM.( Quoting from a (fairly) ancient article:@ BOOTNODE is not a SYSGEN parameter but an AUTOGEN keyword.  Here% are the different ones as of VMS V7.1XI INTERCONNECT,BOOTNODE,NUM_NODES,NUM_ETHERADAPT,STARTUP,LOAD_DECNET_IMAGESt? They are usually added to MODPARAMS.DAT by other utilities like G CLUSTER_CONFIG or NET$CONFIG.  They are undocumented.  You can see whataF they do by reading the AUTOGEN.COM code where these keywords are used.D Also if you have the listings CD you can find a commented AUTOGEN in [MANAGE.LIS]AUTOGEN.LIS      > D > In Modparams.dat, this is yes on the VAX and NO on the Alpha.  I'mD > guessing that, since I want the Alpha to boot independly I need toN > reverse these.  However, in SYSMAN/SYSGEN, I cannot see this as a parameter. > J > Do I need (I suspect) and how to reset this parameter to get my Alpha to< > boot independently of the VAX which used to be the master. > J > As I said it's a long while since I clustered things and a while since I > could comfortably RTFM.C > J > I wanted to check whether this parameter is dynamic. And whether this is > all I need to worry about. > 3 > TIA, and it is now only 21 hours before I fly :-)k >  > Regards, Paddy > I > ***********************************************************************u > E > "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedd? > and confidential information intended only for the use of thenC > addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient ofaE > this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisesC > the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,n9 > distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.1 > B > If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGridB > immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the> > individual sender except where the sender expressly and withE > authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesr@ > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses > contained in any attachment."h > I > ***********************************************************************o   -- nE ---------------------------------------------------------------------sE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.o? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*oF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------e -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----: Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------E   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:08:21 -0400X- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: TCPIP 5.3: QIO IO$_ACPCONTROL buglet , Message-ID: <3D885EA4.80E57C76@videotron.ca>  L The documentation for IO$_ACPCONTROL function of $QIOW which allows the bind0 resolver for a host name ,  has a small problem.  M The documentation states that the descriptor containing the host name is READ-) ONLY. (parameter P2 of the QIOW routine).a   However, if you have:w  . $DESCRIPTOR(myhost_desc, "www.chocolate.com");  E and feed &myhost_desc as P2, the QIOW fails immediatly with an accessnL violation (status = 12) , with the iosb untouched. (the image doesn't crash,, only the QIOW fails, returning that status).  W Seems the host name must be stored in a writable variable even if it used as read-only.u  J The C compiler generates, by default, all string constants in non-writableI memory. So it would seem that the QIO, in checking for argument validity,rI realises that P2 isn't in writable memory and aborts right then and thereg% because causing any more problems....   L So one needs to allocate a character array (writable), and copy the constantN to it, (and then setup the decriptor to point to that writable array) in order# to supply that read-only parameter.r  ' Took me a while to figure this one out.a  K I think Mr Muggeridge had a few too many VBs while coding that interface on  the beach...   VMS 7.2, VAX, TCPIP 5.3-18   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:43:37 +0100u' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy7" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!/ Message-ID: <ama01g$ok$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>d   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:8 > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message ... >  >> >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>K >>>Yikes!  SUNW is at $2.90 at around 11:30 AM ET, which is about a dime or  >> > so > F >>>under book value for the company, and brings the market cap down to >> > around >  >>>$10b. >>>k= >>>Is there news behind this drop towards penny stock status?a >>>w >>>p >>: >>Freddy boy for a person who recently claimed that he had6 >>far too much to do to keep up a constant flow of FUD6 >>about Sun you seem to spend an inordinate ammount of* >>time following our the SUNW stock price. >>4 >>Is there more to your job than the simple engineer( >>that you like to pass yourself off as. >> >  > @ > Still childishly trying to goad me by calling me "Freddy Boy"? >   1 Yes if you still continue to behave like a child.2  9 Or had you forgotten that you wanted to stop the relative 7 stock price bashing and get on with your daytime job. Ap  pretty good precis of your post.  8 Like a child you seem to have forgotten your recent post= and like a child you appear unable to refrain from doing what 5 you previously claimed was consuming too much of yourr valuable time.  5 If you could manage a month or two of adult behaviourc3 then I will be happy to change your monicker at the 0 moment however it fits as well as it always has.  M > A web page I use shows tech stocks.  As I do own stock and have a 401K with J > stock investments, it seems reasonable.  The Sun stock price happened toN > jump out at me... but I don't follow Sun closely enough to know if there was, > some news that was driving the price down. > N > I do pretend to be a engineer here at work, and that's what they pay me for.E > I'm sure that a number of people will agree that I'm pretty simple.p >    Regards- Andrew Harrisonn   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:42:38 GMTi5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>5" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!2 Message-ID: <222i9.30$I65.605249@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message ... >l2 >Yes if you still continue to behave like a child. >e: >Or had you forgotten that you wanted to stop the relative8 >stock price bashing and get on with your daytime job. A! >pretty good precis of your post.e >o9 >Like a child you seem to have forgotten your recent postS> >and like a child you appear unable to refrain from doing what6 >you previously claimed was consuming too much of your >valuable time.r >i6 >If you could manage a month or two of adult behaviour4 >then I will be happy to change your monicker at the1 >moment however it fits as well as it always has.i >   I Oh, do get over yourself.  I thought it was a reasonable question to ask.dK It seemed to be unusual.  Heck, maybe I'll even buy a few shares if it getse near $2.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 07:52:32 -0700+ From: pierre.bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre)l+ Subject: validate email address with LDAP ?-< Message-ID: <1c0e37b1.0209180652.e6b40ad@posting.google.com>   hi,   C I'm currently writing a DCL procedure which a some point ask for anrC email address. I would like to validate this address with out Win2Kt& Exchange2K server, using for ex. LDAP.  E is there any LDAP client available on VMS that I can use to do that ?o   TIA, Pierre.e   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 12:24:40 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)!/ Subject: Re: validate email address with LDAP ?.3 Message-ID: <Iy+RoEPa1SXQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  j In article <1c0e37b1.0209180652.e6b40ad@posting.google.com>, pierre.bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre) writes: > hi,r > E > I'm currently writing a DCL procedure which a some point ask for anaE > email address. I would like to validate this address with out Win2Ks( > Exchange2K server, using for ex. LDAP. > G > is there any LDAP client available on VMS that I can use to do that ?0  A VMS has an LDAP client API, but the last time I heard, it did notSB support the VMS calling standard so it is a lot of work if you are not programming in C.   A I presume you have some external guarantee that there is any datao< in LDAP that contains email addresses.  That is not a given.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 07:49:37 -0700# From: Mike@bccls.org (Mike Skelley)d! Subject: VMS Que printing Problem.= Message-ID: <ed508915.0209180649.22e1a503@posting.google.com>   D Every time I print, to our VMS Que Printer HPLaser 5N, I get a blankE page with an E in the upper left hand corner. This is causing alot of  paper to be wasted.y Any help would be apprieciated.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:50:16 -0400d' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>v9 Subject: RE: wanted: cobol vax/vms ingres programming joblT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A0D@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  $ >>does anyone still use cobol/vax?<<  H Yep - I'm started a large VAX (6 x VAX 7620's) to Alpha migration with aD mission critical cluster about two weeks ago. Their mission critical application is 99% COBOL.n  C Here is something that might be of interest: (url will likely wrap)oH http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/appdev/story/0,1080 1,60683,00.html*H "In spite of its reputation, Cobol remains a resilient force in IT. DaleF Vecchio, research director at Gartner Inc., says there are roughly 180C billion lines of Cobol worldwide. This isn't surprising, given that C Cobol has been around for more than 40 years. What is surprising istE Gartner's comment in a February research note stating that 15% of alli= new application functionality through 2005 will be in Cobol."u   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanti Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicesm Voice: 613-592-4660e Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----; From: schiffkey@cfl.rr.com [mailto:schiffkey@cfl.rr.com]=20 ! Sent: September 17, 2002 10:13 PMl To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi5 Subject: wanted: cobol vax/vms ingres programming job*     yeap.*   i'm still looking for work.s    does anyone still use cobol/vax?
 and where?  " anyhow, email schiffkey@cfl.rr.com  8 and tell me all about an open and available situation...   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.516 ************************