1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 19 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 517       Contents: Re: "inview" Article	 Re: AD/BC 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium % Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal ) Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal ) Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal ) Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal ) Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal * Another Announcment - NEW OpenVMS Roadshow. Re: Another Announcment - NEW OpenVMS RoadshowP Another Press release - FORTEK  to port Sightline in support of HP's OpenVMS ItaF Re: Another Press release - FORTEL to port Sightline in support of HP' Re: BASIC (bug?) Re: Convert Blocks to MB  Re: DDS2 tape, Windows to VMS???6 Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)6 RE: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)6 Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)6 Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)( Disaster-Tolerant clusters (was Re: ORD) Re: Found  virus Re: Found  virus Re: Found  virus RE: Found  virusP Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced TeP Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced TeP Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced TeP Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced TeP Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced TeP Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced TeP Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te Galaxy
 RE: Galaxy" Re: how external input is received Re: HP website integration Re: HP website integration Re: HP website integration> Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish.> Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish.7 Re: Humm, I am getting confused between a PDP and a Vax & I need help with a DECserver 700-08!!!* Re: I need help with a DECserver 700-08!!!* Re: I need help with a DECserver 700-08!!!* Re: I need help with a DECserver 700-08!!! Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT Re: LAT connectionP Limited mouse functionality using Cygwin/Xfree86 to access DECWindows Motif Moti Re: MAIL suggestion  Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N." Re: OpenOffice ODBC and Oracle Rdb" Re: OpenOffice ODBC and Oracle Rdb) Re: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS. D PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSH Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSH Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSH Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSH Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSH Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSH Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMS" QUEUE MANAGER dying during backups& Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backups& Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backups& Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backups  Raid Array 7000 battery questionO Re: Recommendations for Win2K Pro NFS client for use with TCPIP V5.1 NFS server % Re: Saveset distribution over the web  Re: So help me understand her. Re: So help me understand her. Re: So help me understand her. Re: So help me understand herE. ( Re: TCPIP 5.3: QIO IO$_ACPCONTROL buglet( Re: TCPIP 5.3: QIO IO$_ACPCONTROL buglet( Re: TCPIP 5.3: QIO IO$_ACPCONTROL buglet( Re: TCPIP 5.3: QIO IO$_ACPCONTROL buglet* Re: TCPIP: BIND server forwarders question& Re: validate email address with LDAP ? Re: VMS Que printing Problem Re: VMS Que printing Problem% Re: VMS question - a lil offtopic? ;)  XP1000 Blow-Out !   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:57:43 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> Subject: Re: "inview" Article + Message-ID: <3D88CCA7.8090406@mail.tele.dk>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > Arne Vajhj wrote:+ >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: / >>> Case in point would be your suggestion that 0 >>> Linux/Windows makes a cost effective web and >>> apps server platform.  >>> . >>> There is only one general J2EE apps server. >>> benchmark that attempts to model this kind1 >>> of app on a price/performance basis and thats  >>> eCperf.  >>> 6 >>> And this may be counter intuitive, eCperf actually4 >>> shows that a typical Linux/Windows2000 with UNIX6 >>> DBMS infrastructure is more costly per transaction9 >>> than say a Sun Apps and Sun DBMS server configuration 2 >>> with the Sun solution delivering nearly double7 >>> the throughput per CPU and using many fewer servers      >> ????  >>$ >> This is very very amateurish FUD. >> >> Everyone can go to: >>[ >> http://ecperf.theserverside.com/ecperf/index.jsp?page=results/top_ten_price_performance   >> >> and see that:$ >>   - IBM Linux is cheaper than SUN? >>   - other Linux and Windows configs are way cheaper than SUN  > 1 > Lets see your point was that Linux apps servers 1 > when used with Commercial OS DBMS servers could  > be cost effective.    4 No. I never said that. I said that Windows/Linux was( cost effective for web- and app-servers.  % Yoy got it rigth in a previous email:   - # Case in point would be your suggestion that . # Linux/Windows makes a cost effective web and # apps server platform.      5 > So why is it FUD to point out that this combination 6 > is actually more expensive and requires more systems9 > than a Commercial OS Apps and DBMS server combination ?  > & > Its what the table you posted shows.     No - it is not.   / If you take the best Linux-Linux result then it  cost $5 per BBops.  2 The best Win2000-Win2000 result cost $6 per BBops.  3 The best Solaris-Solaris result cost $12 per BBops.   8 And if you check the division of cost between app-server4 and db-server, then you will see that all 3 is close to 50%-50%.   0 It is obvious for anyone, that Linux and Win2000) only cost half of Solaris for app-server.   / Well - Linux and Win2000 also only cost half of . Solaris for db-server, but whether you want to7 run your DB on Linux is questionable. And defininatetly  not on Win2000.   4 >                                      Very very few3 > big corporates are putting DBMS's up on Linux for  > production systems    1 True, but Linux and Win2000 is still cheaper than  Solaris for app-server !  7                         and as IBM's Wintel/AIX results 6 > show (a much more typical config) its more expensive$ > to use Wintel/UNIX than UNIX/UNIX.    5 The IBM Win2000-AIX result is rather bad, but that is 2 not because the Win2000 systems was expensive, but1 due to excessive pricing of WAS, DB2 and p-series  hardware for the db-server.     6 > A bit more carefull research on your part would have1 > shown that there are no Linux based Apps with a 2 > Commercial OS DBMS results that compete with the0 > Sun result on a price basis. Hadly FUD and not > amateur either.      Extremely FUDish because: 5    - there are no Linux-commercial Unix result at all 2    - it is obvious from the numbers that Linux and.      Win2000 indeed is chaper than Solaris for      app-servers    / >>> If you are happy to Futz with Linux and you 0 >>> don't care about support then Linux may well/ >>> end up being cheaper for web servers than a  >>> comparable UNIX server.  >>> + >>> This doesn't actually apply to most big 6 >>> corporations where someone will eventually account5 >>> for your time Futzing and bang the costs into the . >>> Linux TCO and people like to be supported.    6 >> Why would it take more time to Futz with Linux than >> with Solaris ???? > " > Well where do you want to start. > - > Filesystem, security, management, supported + > web servers etc. Most of the people who I / > have worked with on Linux projects are either 1 > rolling their own distros enhancing the free to - > download Linux they have standardised on or 4 > they are buying Red Hat Advanced Server/Stronghold > or another similar package.  > . > If they are doing the former they are mostly1 > redistributing costs, moving CapX to people and 4 > integration and support costs (the Futzing costs).6 > Some are doing this because they don't want to admit0 > that Linux isn't free which they would have to > do if they bought Red Hat. > 5 > If they are buying Red Hat Advanced server they are 6 > still getting an OS that is technically less capable3 > than any of the major commercial UNIX's and which 8 > will require more work and added to that Red Hat isn't > actually that cheap.  0 The facts shows that it is chaper than Solaris !   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 13:05:38 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: AD/BC3 Message-ID: <lqyY$ulPiaY0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <b096a4ee.0209171934.7aa58fef@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:j > koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<dNGTPL15+iXn@eisner.encompasserve.org>...q >> In article <b096a4ee.0209121743.7d84683c@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:  >> >   >> > So what is star date zero?  >> >   >>  I >>    Julian day 0.  (Noon 1 January 4713 BC/BCE on the Julian Calendar).  >  > G > But the current Julian Date is in the millions! And no star date ever 5 > reached that high. We need a little more info here.  >   =    The current star date is 37515.7.  I must misread my code, /    it's been over 2 million days since 4713 BC.   E    The star date is based on the New Epoch Julian day.  The New Epoch G    appears to be noon January 1, 1900 AD.  There may be a 24 hour error     in the code I'm using.   C    Oh, and if you've been watching reruns you should know that when G    spoken digits left of 1000 are conventionaly omitted, so the captain D    would log now as "star date seven five one five point seven".  A B    typical day in the 23 century:  September 17, 2300 is star date
    109832.        ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:11:16 -0700 ( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>: Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium- Message-ID: <3D88C1C4.AB223C74@NelsonUSA.com>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > N > Ever done the animation tour at DisneyWorld MGM?  Glass windows looking intoK > the workers cubes - can't hear them however.  But we'd have to clean up a  > lot of junk in the offices.    You've got two months.   :-)   Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:20:25 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>: Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium. Message-ID: <3D88C3E9.E85DED79@mindspring.com>   Alan Frisbie wrote:    > You've got two months.   :-)  ( I can think of at least one engineer for" whom *TWO YEARS* probably wouldn't* suffice. :-) Last I knew, they were not in$ the VMS group, though, just near-by.   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:56:10 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium* Message-ID: <amai8d$748$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  5 this one is beautiful, gosh  he is a cranky one today     : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D87C968.E3A6FC84@videotron.ca... > Alan Frisbie wrote: H > > > So come early or stay longer!    Visit the lab, pay a visit to the mill.  > > > > > I would love to see the engineers in their native habitat.? > > (An image of the Disneyland Jungle Tour boats keeps running  > > through my mind.   :-) > L > No, an image of the crocodile hunter capturing one of the VMS engineers inK > front of the audience and using his oh, so colourful language to describe  the " > behaviour of this rare beast....   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:03:13 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium5 Message-ID: <amam63$469p1$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:PsVUVKyKg6N7@eisner.encompasserve.org... < > In article <3D88C1C4.AB223C74@NelsonUSA.com>, Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> writes:  > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >>L > >> Ever done the animation tour at DisneyWorld MGM?  Glass windows looking intoL > >> the workers cubes - can't hear them however.  But we'd have to clean up a   > >> lot of junk in the offices. > >   > > You've got two months.   :-) > 3 > Hey !  _Some_ of us want him booting VMS on IPF !   K I don't care now, I was too optimistic in picking my date in the VMS on IPF  boot contest :( :( :( :(  J Hey Sue, can I submit a new date now that my date has passed? I guess not,G if I could then I would log in every morning and put that day in for my @ date, if it didn't boot that day then try again the next day. :(     -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:26:57 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium2 Message-ID: <Rz3i9.41$aa5.705650@news.cpqcorp.net>  ! Terry C. Shannon wrote in message 6 <3A0i9.353587$_91.454046@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>... > A >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message , >news:ipJh9.34$AM3.96351@news.cpqcorp.net... >>@ >> JF Mezei wrote in message <3D861CE8.9BCA8E66@videotron.ca>... >> >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:H >> >> If you want to do anything aside from hanging around at the hotel, >you'll J >> >> need a car.  Nashua is only modestly mass-transit friendly, and most	 >> places * >> >> are a bit more than waling distance. >> >H >> >But surely Sue or any VMS engineer would offer to drive participants >where >> >they want to go ?  >> > >> >:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  >>( >> I drive a Z3.  So only one at a time. >> > ) >And, I presume, not if its been snowing.  > 
 >325ix driver  >   G I've driven it all winter, even on snow.  But there is the 528i if it's  really bad out.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:03:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium, Message-ID: <3D88CE06.F57EDD4E@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > N > Ever done the animation tour at DisneyWorld MGM?  Glass windows looking intoK > the workers cubes - can't hear them however.  But we'd have to clean up a  > lot of junk in the offices.    NO!   N If the opportunity is given to view the VMS engineers in their normal habitat,N the VMS engineers muct not be allowed to clean it up, they must wear what they" normally wear and behave normally.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 14:48:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <PsVUVKyKg6N7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3D88C1C4.AB223C74@NelsonUSA.com>, Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> writes: > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>  O >> Ever done the animation tour at DisneyWorld MGM?  Glass windows looking into L >> the workers cubes - can't hear them however.  But we'd have to clean up a >> lot of junk in the offices. >  > You've got two months.   :-)  1 Hey !  _Some_ of us want him booting VMS on IPF !    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:31:09 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium2 Message-ID: <ho5i9.46$8e5.802981@news.cpqcorp.net>  H The sad truth is that shoe salesmen dress better than most SW engineers.  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3D88CE06.F57EDD4E@videotron.ca>...  >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  >>J >> Ever done the animation tour at DisneyWorld MGM?  Glass windows looking intoL >> the workers cubes - can't hear them however.  But we'd have to clean up a >> lot of junk in the offices. >  >NO! > F >If the opportunity is given to view the VMS engineers in their normal habitat,J >the VMS engineers muct not be allowed to clean it up, they must wear what they# >normally wear and behave normally.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 15:51:45 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <v4NjQHQARJc5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <ho5i9.46$8e5.802981@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:J > The sad truth is that shoe salesmen dress better than most SW engineers. >   2 	And it would be a tie as to which smelled better.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:53:55 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> . Subject: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal* Message-ID: <amai4n$71b$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  G I am pleased to announce our new OpenVMS Technical Journal. The OpenVMS L Technical Journal is designed for and by OpenVMS Technical Experts. ArticlesL in this journal will be focused on detailed technical information on OpenVMS and related technologies.   J We plan to publish two issues yearly, with our first issue to be publishedL in early 2003. If you would like to submit an article for the premier issue,4 or subscribe to this electronic journal please visit. http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/journal/  K If you have any questions regarding the OpenVMS Technical Journal please do H not hesitate to contact Susan Skonetski, Editor at 603-884-2807 or email Susan.Skonetski@hp.com  
 Best Regards,   : Mark Gorham Vice President OpenVMS Systems Hewlett-Packard  ? Phone: 603-884-0118 FAX: 603-884-2006 email: mark.gorham@hp.com   7 Executive Assistant: Susan Christie Phone: 603-884-0100    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 16:26:45 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 2 Subject: Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal3 Message-ID: <1gCnwHXmnhOX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3D88D95B.1325A397@NelsonUSA.com>, Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> writes: > Sue Skonetski wrote: >>  J >> I am pleased to announce our new OpenVMS Technical Journal. The OpenVMSO >> Technical Journal is designed for and by OpenVMS Technical Experts. Articles O >> in this journal will be focused on detailed technical information on OpenVMS  >> and related technologies. > M > Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!!   I was so sad when the Digital Technical Journal ! > died, but now I am happy again.  > * > How do I subscribe to the print edition?   Me too.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:51:55 -0700 ( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>2 Subject: Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal- Message-ID: <3D88D95B.1325A397@NelsonUSA.com>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > I > I am pleased to announce our new OpenVMS Technical Journal. The OpenVMS N > Technical Journal is designed for and by OpenVMS Technical Experts. ArticlesN > in this journal will be focused on detailed technical information on OpenVMS > and related technologies.   K Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!!   I was so sad when the Digital Technical Journal  died, but now I am happy again.   ( How do I subscribe to the print edition?   Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:11:11 GMT  From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> 2 Subject: Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal2 Message-ID: <877khij3i2.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  7 "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:   I > I am pleased to announce our new OpenVMS Technical Journal. The OpenVMS N > Technical Journal is designed for and by OpenVMS Technical Experts. ArticlesN > in this journal will be focused on detailed technical information on OpenVMS > and related technologies.  > L > We plan to publish two issues yearly, with our first issue to be publishedN > in early 2003. If you would like to submit an article for the premier issue,6 > or subscribe to this electronic journal please visit0 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/journal/ > M > If you have any questions regarding the OpenVMS Technical Journal please do J > not hesitate to contact Susan Skonetski, Editor at 603-884-2807 or email > Susan.Skonetski@hp.com >  > Best Regards,  > < > Mark Gorham Vice President OpenVMS Systems Hewlett-Packard > A > Phone: 603-884-0118 FAX: 603-884-2006 email: mark.gorham@hp.com  > 9 > Executive Assistant: Susan Christie Phone: 603-884-0100  >  >  >   I Ok group, ante up. Opening bid: DTJ #5, "VAXcluster Systems", obtained, I   think at a winter Anaheim Decus.   Partial contents: C         The VAXCluster Concept: An Overview of a Distributed System ,         Kronenberg, Levy, Strecker, Merewood  B         The Design and Implementation of a Distributed File System         Goldstein   -         The System Communication Architecture 
         Duffy      Cheers,    jec    --   Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:02:12 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>2 Subject: Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal, Message-ID: <3D894C44.8020209@tsoft-inc.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  Z > In article <3D88D95B.1325A397@NelsonUSA.com>, Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> writes: >  >>Sue Skonetski wrote: >>J >>>I am pleased to announce our new OpenVMS Technical Journal. The OpenVMSO >>>Technical Journal is designed for and by OpenVMS Technical Experts. Articles O >>>in this journal will be focused on detailed technical information on OpenVMS  >>>and related technologies. >>> M >>Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!!   I was so sad when the Digital Technical Journal ! >>died, but now I am happy again.  >>* >>How do I subscribe to the print edition? >> > 	 > Me too.  >   Q According to the intended distribution method mentioned in the announcement, I'm  K guessing that you'll need the electronic distribution, a printer, and some  P paper.  The VMS people don't seem to be shy about using windoz when it's a good 2 fit, so assume that you may need a MS environment.  O Look at the bright side.  You can print a draft copy, or get rather fancy with  N the printing, paper, binding, and such.  You'll also not be too worried about  dog-eared pages.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:22:59 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> 3 Subject: Another Announcment - NEW OpenVMS Roadshow * Message-ID: <amanbh$9nt$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  F There is this great subject line that says "to boot or not to re boot"  ? and then a banner that says "With OpenVMS there is no question"    sue   F The registration web site is now open for Phase II of OpenVMS comes to; Itanium, the Fall 2002 OpenVMS Road Show for Public Sector.   " www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour      '  Columbia, SC - Thursday, September 26   #  Memphis, TN - Thursday, October 3   %  McAllen, TX - Wednesday, October 16   #  Phoenix, AZ - Tuesday, October 22   )  Los Angeles, CA - Wednesday, October 30   +  New York City, NY - Thursday, November 21    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:22:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 7 Subject: Re: Another Announcment - NEW OpenVMS Roadshow , Message-ID: <3D8918BB.9D3C77E9@videotron.ca>   Sue Skonetski wrote:H > The registration web site is now open for Phase II of OpenVMS comes to= > Itanium, the Fall 2002 OpenVMS Road Show for Public Sector.   J While it si great to see the amount of work being done, why not wait until4 itanium is a reality before making such a roadshow ?  J I'd rather see a roadshow that sell VMS than one that tries to justify the decision made June 25 2001.   M Until/unless IA64 turns out to be a winner, you should downplay the downgrade ] from Alpha to IA64 and focus instead on the added capabilioties of VMS versus itscompetitors.    Just my opinion.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:43:27 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> Y Subject: Another Press release - FORTEK  to port Sightline in support of HP's OpenVMS Ita * Message-ID: <amaohj$a8p$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  J  Folks I just can not apoligize for so much VMS information in one day ;')= Sorry about the formating this is something I am doing wrong.  sue     I FORTEL to port Sightline in support of HP's OpenVMS Itanium Architecture  Program   L Benefits Expected to Include Increased Performance, Lower Cost, and Improved Application Management Support  C Fremont, CA. August, 2002 - FORTEL Inc. (OTC BB: FRTL), a leader in K real-time performance management solutions that assure end-to-end eBusiness F service-level goals, announced today that it will support HP's planned? delivery of OpenVMS on Itanium Processor Family-based systems.   D  Today's announcement expands FORTEL's current alliance with HP thatH combines FORTEL's Sightline software with HP AlphaServer systems runningH OpenVMS. Sightline, developed by FORTEL, is the first real-time solution2 that proactively assures eBusiness service levels.  H  FORTEL's decision to support HP's OpenVMS Itanium architecture portingG effort enhances a mutually beneficial relationship in which the service F level assurance of FORTEL's Sightline program works in tandem with theI advanced features of the OpenVMS operating system. The end result is that K customers can expect to benefit from increased performance, lower cost, and ( improved application management support.  I  HP's OpenVMS operating system provides a wide range of system-management I functions from accounting and event and error logging to operating system E performance and queue management as an integral part of the operating J system. OpenVMS system managers may also choose from an extensive array ofI computer operations management applications and services from Independent K Software Vendors (ISVs) and other partners that complement the core OpenVMS  system-management features.   F  "This is the right step forward at the right time," said Terry Ewing,I Senior Vice President of Field Operations for FORTEL.  "As both expansion K and cost curtailment are both critical to management of enterprise systems, K we are pleased with our intention to deliver FORTEL's real-time performance L monitoring and reporting solutions to OpenVMS on the Itanium architecture."  J  Sightline for OpenVMS and open systems platforms enables an enterprise toH maintain peak performance of its applications and the systems supportingH them. Sightline offers end-to-end management of the business critical ITF infrastructure by helping one to efficiently isolate and determine theE causes of problems affecting business systems processing.  It gathers H performance data from OpenVMS and open systems environments and displaysJ data in customized real-time views integrated with the ability to alert IT& when service levels are not being met.    G "We are extremely pleased with FORTEL's decision to continue to support J OpenVMS and our migration to the Itanium architecture," said Mark Gorham,G vice president of HP's OpenVMS Systems Group.   "As a leader in service J level assurance, Sightline's performance management solution translates to5 an expanded value proposition for OpenVMS customers."   G  FORTEL plans to begin development on this new initiative in time for a H scheduled delivery date of Q1 2004 in line with the HP OpenVMS migration plans and product delivery.    About SightLine software      G FORTEL SightLine, launched in May 2000, was the first software suite to J assure enterprise and eBusiness service levels across complex multi-tieredG infrastructure.  Through powerful, end-to-end, analysis and correlation G capabilities SightLine identifies information flows and critical paths, L helping managers predict and address trouble spots before problems turn into crises.   F  Since its introduction, SightLine has received numerous enhancements,J including coverage of additional software platforms, software and hardwareK product monitors, and software interfaces.  FORTEL has expanded SightLine's F functionality to allow users to measure the resources used and also toG determine the actual service levels being provided, correlating them to H resource utilization.  In addition, new capabilities were added to allowI users to monitor and display actual service levels for Web pages, secured L transactions, email, network latency, file transfer, Web address resolution,D database availability and response and system command monitoring and communication.     About FORTEL Inc. I  FORTEL provides the first real-time performance management solution that J assures business end-to-end service-level goals.  FORTEL's SightLine suiteG is based on analysis and correlation software that has been applied and K tuned for more than 15 years in the systems management performance arena by K customers in finance and banking, defense management, manufacturing, retail G services and government.  FORTEL counts among its customers many of the G world's largest and most well known organizations and enterprises.  The J Company is headquartered in Fremont, Calif., and can be contacted at (510)7 440-9600 or by visiting its web site at www.FORTEL.com.      # # #       L  2002 FORTEL Inc.  All rights reserved. FORTEL and SightLine are trademarksF of FORTEL Inc. Itanium is a trademark or registered trademark of Intel@ Corporation or its subsidiaries in the U.S. and other countries.  F Except for historical information contained in this press release, theD foregoing contains forward-looking statements that involve risks andK uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by ? such forward-looking statements based on a variety of risks and L uncertainties, including risks and uncertainties relating to factors such asL the timely and successful development and market acceptance of our products,E services and features, our ability to successfully attract and retain L customers, our profitability targets and financial metrics, the number, sizeJ and duration of contracts, and software prices, activities of competitors,L demand for our products, volume of business and general economic conditions.L The guidance contained in this press release is based on limited informationH available to the Company today, which is subject to change. Although theK guidance provided in this press release may change after today, the Company B undertakes no obligation to revise or update these forward-lookingH statements after today. Further information about potential factors thatJ could affect our financial results is included in our Quarterly Reports onG Form 10-Q and most recent Annual Report on Form 10-K/A, which have been 2 filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.                              L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 16:34:39 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) O Subject: Re: Another Press release - FORTEL to port Sightline in support of HP' 3 Message-ID: <AtUh4Aw0dFTq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <amaohj$a8p$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:L >  Folks I just can not apoligize for so much VMS information in one day ;')? > Sorry about the formating this is something I am doing wrong.   I Speaking as one of the big time formatting critics, the only flaw in this , one is a few characters following "Itanium":  * > Itanium Processor Family-based systems.  >  Itanium architecture porting  8 But I doubt those characters contain the secret of life.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:43:38 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: BASIC (bug?) 5 Message-ID: <1020918183351.1922A-100000@Ives.egh.com>2  $ On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, JF Mezei wrote:   > Joe wrote:I > > "word" and compiling BASIC/WORD will generate no complaints. When theiI > > compiler parses the 2nd declaration of "false" it enters a state thatn; > > it's already seen but just doesn't cause any "conflict"s > L > Nevertheless, it should still warn about multiple declarations of the same& > variable even if they are identical.   No, it shouldn't!p  I If you are using %include files to define constants, function prototypes,oC commons, etc., then you want to nest them.  Multiple %include filesiB may very well include a common set of lower-level files that, e.g.F define fundamental record types used by your application.  Since theseG lower level files may be included more than once in a given module, youED don't want their identical declarations to cause compilation errors.  G For example, you prototype function AAAA in AAAA_PROTO.INC and functionIE BBBB in BBBB_PROTO.INC.  Both AAAA and BBBB have a record CCCC as oneHD of their arguments, so both *_PROTO.INC files include CCCC_TYPE.INC,G which defines the record.  A CCCC record includes an integer field thatiC can contain one of a small number of constant values, so you definerL constants for those values in CCCC_TYPE.INC (or maybe in CCCC_CONSTANTS.INC,F which is %include'd from CCCC_TYPE.INC.)  Any program which calls bothI AAAA and BBBB will end up including the constant definitions twice, whichm/ would cause major problems under your proposal.A  I P.S.  The multiple definitions in the original example were of CONSTANTS,V not VARIABLES.   -- m John Santos- Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:15:47 GMTV1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n! Subject: Re: Convert Blocks to MBv' Message-ID: <3D8938EC.A097E0E2@fsi.net>a   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > b > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D7FFE8C.7D064426@fsi.net>...	 > [snip]] 2 > > Admittedly, numbers are not my strongest suit. > : > Well, if that's so, why are you so persistent with this?  > This isn't rocket science - it doesn't take any great genious.   -- . David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:55:00 -0400e; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>C) Subject: Re: DDS2 tape, Windows to VMS???E$ Message-ID: <3d88e881$1@news.si.com>   Sebastien Emery writes:X  I >I want to know if it's possible to save a file on a DDS2 tape on Windows  and. >read it bak on VMS?   Jim Agnew replies:  G >you'd need to be sure that it's valid ANSI format... with tape labels,h >and so forth...  L Um, no.  VMS reads unlabeled, foreign tapes just fine.  Just MOUNT them with< the appropriate /BLOCK and /RECORD qualifiers and COPY away. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comnA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.como= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventI< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:59:48 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n? Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)c+ Message-ID: <3D88CD23.2BBEAA8@videotron.ca>i   "Main, Kerry" wrote:I > So, while it is unlikely such an event will re-occur anytime soon, thisUI > storm is typically the subject of any conversation that talks about themF > requirements for wide area disaster recovery and disaster tolerance.  L During the ice storm, there were daily news conferences which I would listenF to on radio (no TV when no power ;-( ) One day, one reporter asked theL president of Hydro Qubec if this was really an isolated event and proceededG to list similar events that had occured in Qubec over the last 5 yearsIH (except that they didn't occur in very populated areas and thus were not noticed by the media).  I The next day, the president came back and admitted that indeed statisticsmK showed that freezing rain events had increased over the past 5-10 years and-K that he had to conclude  that climate change might be the cause and that in H fact Hydro should raise its standards for wiring, but insisted that this7 particular event was still way out of the normal range.   M So I would not discount this from happening again. Except folks here are more 
 ready for it.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:07:06 -0400e' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ? Subject: RE: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be) T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D963F@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,d  / >>> Except folks here are more ready for it.<<<   F Yep, it has had some definite impact on disaster planning. Like "who =H cares if the systems are running if all the staff is at home trying to =! generator power for their homes?"i  D Something to consider for new community and/or development planning-  E Interesting point of this storm is that those communities which had =dI their power lines underground were largely not impacted. I was lucky as =sD my community is relatively new and the power throughout the entire =" community was not impacted at all.   Regardse  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanta Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicesx Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]=20e  Sent: September 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como? Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)      "Main, Kerry" wrote:G > So, while it is unlikely such an event will re-occur anytime soon,=20aG > this storm is typically the subject of any conversation that talks=20 H > about the requirements for wide area disaster recovery and disaster=20 > tolerance.  G During the ice storm, there were daily news conferences which I would = E listen to on radio (no TV when no power ;-( ) One day, one reporter =tF asked the president of Hydro Qu=E9bec if this was really an isolated =I event and proceeded to list similar events that had occured in Qu=E9bec =lH over the last 5 years (except that they didn't occur in very populated =. areas and thus were not noticed by the media).  @ The next day, the president came back and admitted that indeed =I statistics showed that freezing rain events had increased over the past =dJ 5-10 years and that he had to conclude  that climate change might be the =I cause and that in fact Hydro should raise its standards for wiring, but =0E insisted that this particular event was still way out of the normal =p range.  J So I would not discount this from happening again. Except folks here are = more ready for it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:33:05 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ? Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)XG Message-ID: <BHai9.73418$U_.47845@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>i  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A0A@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. John,   H As a fyi, a real life example of a disaster affecting a wide area, checkA out the Ice Storm of 1998 that impacted North Eastern US, Easternp" Ontario and major parts of Quebec.  ? Many homes and businesses were without power for up to 4 weeks.h  
 Reference:+ http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSIceStorm/home.htmla  5 http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSIceStorm/jan18_anatomy1.htmldH "Waves of freezing rain amassed layer upon layer of crystal chaos - - asB destructive as it was beautiful. Ottawa was a city of ice. Tens ofC thousands of homes were cast into darkness and left without heat assE hydro poles snapped like toothpicks. It was the storm of the century. C Damage topped $1 billion. Crippled communities shivered in sub-zerocD temperatures that numbed even the hardiest. But a pioneer spirit wasC unleashed, communities united, and the forces of Mother Nature were H gradually calmed by people power. Fuelled by the kind-hearted, warmed byA leadership, steadied by extensive planning, fortified by military D expertise and determined to rebound and rebuild, we've put the worstE behind us. Life is returning to normal. But it will never be the samer ..! By Kathleen Harris -- Ottawa Sun"d  G So, while it is unlikely such an event will re-occur anytime soon, thisaG storm is typically the subject of any conversation that talks about thetD requirements for wide area disaster recovery and disaster tolerance.     Kerry,  H Don't have to sell me on the idea. This is something I've been preachingL about for nearly 20 years in one form or another after having been bitten byJ a transformer vault under a street caught fire and killed power to a large, swath of the business area I was working in.  F Disaster recovery isn't an option in today's marketplace. Just-in-timeG manufacturing and retailing requires this sort of capability; financialaD services; health records; telecomm; the list is practically endless.  L Wide-area clusters are becoming more important all the time. But basics likeL ensuring that your building is serviced by two sub-stations, that your telcoL providers enter the building at separate points (the 'backhoe effect'), thatJ your multiple carriers are really using separate fiber and not that one isK simply a reseller of the other's fiber, that you generator is topped up andgB tested, that you've actually managed to restore a system from tapeI successfully, etc... are all requirements too. Small things like ensuringiL your DR site has multiple physical accesses ( ie. roads that won't be closedL due to dropped bridges) and that your staff have maps showing these kinds of routes and alternates.  I I've even gone as far as specifying private line-of-sight microwave linksTF over large bodies of water to separate data centers as a tertiary comm backup.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:20:14 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ? Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)e, Message-ID: <3D894262.1714B282@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > Yep, it has had some definite impact on disaster planning. Like "who cares if the systems are running if all the staff is at home trying to generator power for their homes?"   L Bombardier (the flying skidoo factory near Dorval Airport) got a lot of heatK from its policies. Not only did it strike a deal with Hydro to get priorityiN power to continue its aircraft assembly lines, at a time when Hydro was askingL all other factories, banks and all of downtown to stay closed, but they alsoT threathened their employes that they woudl be fired if they didn't show up for work.  M Banks may have had their data centres powered by tyurbine generators, but the L ATMs relied on local power which was not there. The National bank brought in4 some "mobile branches" in the most hurt communities.  L >> Interesting point of this storm is that those communities which had their
 power lines >i' >underground were largely not impacted.   K There are not many in Qubec. Besides, in Montreal, at one point, they onlymG had one main power line feeding the whole island and power shedding was*M required. (the next thing to have been cut would) have been the water works).t  M Downtown re-opened to businessafter a few days, but it had to be "aborted". I N was at Place Ville Marie, running to get to the bank before it closed when theE PA system in the complex came on to announce an emergency evacuation,DM requiring everyon to turn off all non-essential electric devices and evacuate J the complex because power would be cut soon at the request of hydro qubecK (the subway had already been closed and I had to run 10 blocks toget to the M complex...). This is stuff you normally see in sci-fi movies. Right after the M announcement, all escalators were turned off as was half the ligghting in theD shopping mall  below.o  K This also had implications with the telco. The strategy for central officesdN was that each could survive a certain amount of time on batteries, time enoughK to bring a mobile generator to compensate. Worked well when a neighbourhoodeI lost power, but when in a widespread power failure, the telco didn't have3L sufficient number of mobile units to keep all its central offices powered 24
 hours a day.    J This applies also to the neighbouhood repeaters/concentrators which neededN "canadian tire" style portable generators to keep alive (and one human sipping; coffee in a car next to it to ensure it didn't get stolen).3    L These were situations where many had to forget about work and concentrate onN survival. And when schools are closed, you also have to take care of the kids.J Waiting in line for firewood (it was rationed), and then cooking meals etcM took a lot more time.  Heating water for wahsing/shower took a long time too.gM Waiting in line before the hardware stored opened in the morning tobe able to M get some cooking fuel to heat the water was also time consuming. You get into K a totally different way of life.  It felt very strange when power came back E and you get such novelties such as computers, internet, television...a  K Another aspect to consider: Not all generators are rated for constant duty. M When such a disater happens and you expect to need a generator for weeks, you M should either get a constant duty one (probably diesel or turbine) or get twopM generators which you cycle to ensure none is used for long periods at a time.1N Many farmers lost thousands of animals when their generators failed during theI night and animals suffocated in the barns due to failed ventilation. (andRM stores quickly ran out of the spare parts because those generators started to0" fail almost all at the same time).   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 14:09:04 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)c1 Subject: Disaster-Tolerant clusters (was Re: ORD)C= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0209181309.3fcadb70@posting.google.com>   d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEOEFLAA.tom@kednos.com>...B > Neutrons can causing "browning" of optical fiber by dislocation,D > effectively creating an optical notch filter.  So you should underD > these circumstances know if your signals are inside or outside the+ > affected spectrum, otherwise, no cluster.   ? In the event of failure of the inter-site link(s) in a two-siten@ disaster-tolerant cluster, computing continues at one of the twoA sites.  You don't end up with "no cluster" -- you may have adjustb quorum to continue, at worst.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:03:48 -0400e' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>n Subject: Re: Found  viruse< Message-ID: <howard-C4E334.22034818092002@enews.newsguy.com>  9 In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEBLFMAA.tom@kednos.com>,a%  "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:n  4 > Just got an email from Hahaha with subject field: 0 > Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL Story > # > My virus scanner doesn't like it.i   So?    --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 02 04:56:10 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)- Subject: Re: Found  virus ) Message-ID: <RjrbVIdHJVL8@elias.decus.ch>i  f In article <howard-C4E334.22034818092002@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:; > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEBLFMAA.tom@kednos.com>,<' >  "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:i > 5 >> Just got an email from Hahaha with subject field: :1 >> Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL Storyr >> M$ >> My virus scanner doesn't like it. >  > So?b > D This is a known virus. Also seen in French and Spanish incarnations.  C From http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w95.hybris.gen.htmlf  N "W95.Hybris is a worm that spreads by email as an attachment to outgoing email	 messages.2  @ The email message or subject may include, but is not limited to:   o  hahaha@sexyfun.netn$ o  Snow White and the Seven dwarves"   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland1   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:53:29 GMTa1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>3 Subject: Re: Found  virusc' Message-ID: <3D8941C2.7E8A4D0B@fsi.net>E   Tom Linden wrote:n >  > FYIs > 3 > Just got an email from Hahaha with subject field:s0 > Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL Story > # > My virus scanner doesn't like it.e  ' Geez - is that making the rounds again?v   -- i David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:33:03 -0700p# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>n Subject: RE: Found  virus 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEECNFMAA.tom@kednos.com>m  9 Well, obviously this was familiar to you, not me.  I justa' thought I would pass on the info, FWIW.n   >-----Original Message-----r/ >From: Howard S Shubs [mailto:howard@shubs.net]t, >Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:04 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: Found virusl >b >e: >In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEBLFMAA.tom@kednos.com>,& > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote: >S5 >> Just got an email from Hahaha with subject field: n1 >> Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL Storya >> 1$ >> My virus scanner doesn't like it. >n >So? >r >-- 5 >Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championshipa >s >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).a@ >Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 9/4/2002 >b ---t& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 9/4/2002    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 13:20:14 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)MY Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te23 Message-ID: <T1o6CWpw3kxJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <am9smg$ml2$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:F > To: The VMS community interested in HP ETS and the OpenVMS Technical > Symposium0 >   C    Gee, Sue, all the other copies I got have Mark's phone number onr2    them.  You mean not everybody gets that number?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:00:18 -0400n+ From: "Martin O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>BY Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te:5 Message-ID: <amam0k$4a6di$1@ID-118202.news.dfncis.de>h  L This sounds like a really great event. My problem is that it is scheduled toF close to HP ETS and my company will not send me to two events so closeK together. If this symposium were in March to May time frame I would be ableh to swing both.   Marty O'Connor  @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:am9smg$ml2$1@web1.cup.hp.com...F > To: The VMS community interested in HP ETS and the OpenVMS Technical > Symposium  >2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:47:33 -0400n+ From: "Martin O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>DY Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Tee5 Message-ID: <amaoop$4ahgs$1@ID-118202.news.dfncis.de>h  $ But the HP EST. is already paid for.  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D88E4F0.30256254@videotron.ca... > Martin O'Connor wrote: > >oC > > This sounds like a really great event. My problem is that it is  scheduled toJ > > close to HP ETS and my company will not send me to two events so close
 > > together.  >-J > If you are a VMS bigot, then you should look at the contents of the real VMSmL > symposium against the  VMS-specific contents allowed in the DECUS/whateverK > symposium and then select which one gives you the best bang for the buck.e >iL > My *impression* is that the VMS symposium provides higher quality and moreG > complete content on a narrower set of topics while the DECUS/whateverV event isC > less focused, more varied and sessions don't go as much in depth.e >iJ > I feel I would learn more at the VMS event than I would at a DECUS event > (generically speaking).i >oG > On the other hand, if you conclude that VMS is a "legacy" system withm littleL > or no future, then the DECUS event would be better since you could broaden > your horizons.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:38:59 -0400aK From: "Encompass - HP Enterprise Technology Symposium" <KilleenJ@toast.net>aY Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te / Message-ID: <uoie6c5uhorb96@corp.supernews.com>s  I As I think Sue will confirm everyone believes the right choice for almosthJ all is both opportunities and what we need to do is figure out how to makeC that possible for as many as feasible.  Solutions that will work...t  F 1) Building Star Trek transporters so the pre-conference can be run in* Nashua and the Symposium run in major city  I 2) Someone building a convention center and 4000 additional hotel room in  Nashua.   : We suspect a 3rd alternative will need to be thought of...     --   Jeff Killeen   All Info: http://www.Killeen.ccr  ? ---------------------------------------------------------------   6 "Martin O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com> wrote in message/ news:amam0k$4a6di$1@ID-118202.news.dfncis.de...@K > This sounds like a really great event. My problem is that it is scheduledD toH > close to HP ETS and my company will not send me to two events so closeH > together. If this symposium were in March to May time frame I would be able > to swing both. >t > Marty O'Connor >eB > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message& > news:am9smg$ml2$1@web1.cup.hp.com...H > > To: The VMS community interested in HP ETS and the OpenVMS Technical
 > > Symposiumc > >f >a >n >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:41:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> Y Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te , Message-ID: <3D88E4F0.30256254@videotron.ca>   Martin O'Connor wrote: > N > This sounds like a really great event. My problem is that it is scheduled toH > close to HP ETS and my company will not send me to two events so close > together.z  L If you are a VMS bigot, then you should look at the contents of the real VMSJ symposium against the  VMS-specific contents allowed in the DECUS/whateverI symposium and then select which one gives you the best bang for the buck.u  J My *impression* is that the VMS symposium provides higher quality and moreN complete content on a narrower set of topics while the DECUS/whatever event isA less focused, more varied and sessions don't go as much in depth.D  H I feel I would learn more at the VMS event than I would at a DECUS event (generically speaking).b  L On the other hand, if you conclude that VMS is a "legacy" system with littleJ or no future, then the DECUS event would be better since you could broaden your horizons.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 03:11:34 GMTe1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>rY Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te ' Message-ID: <3D8945FE.1EFE5C77@fsi.net>o  5 Encompass - HP Enterprise Technology Symposium wrote:, > K > As I think Sue will confirm everyone believes the right choice for almosteL > all is both opportunities and what we need to do is figure out how to makeE > that possible for as many as feasible.  Solutions that will work...B > H > 1) Building Star Trek transporters so the pre-conference can be run in, > Nashua and the Symposium run in major city > K > 2) Someone building a convention center and 4000 additional hotel room ina	 > Nashua.e > < > We suspect a 3rd alternative will need to be thought of...  $ Can I make an outrageous suggestion?  D Traditionally, DECUS was two days of pre-symposium seminars and fiveF days of content. As I read HP/ETS-2002, it's two days of pre-symposium" seminars and four days of content.   How 'bout combining the two?   Day #1:o Pre-symposium seminars 1st day of OpenVMS content   Day #2:t Pre-symposium seminars 2nd day of OpenVMS content   Day #3 1st day of Symposium content 3rd day of OpenVMS content   Day #4 2nd day of Symposium content   Day #5 3rd day of Symposium content   Day #6 4th day of Symposium content   Day #7 5th day of Symposium content   Just a thought...    -- l David J. DachteraM dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/S   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:34:49 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> Y Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced TeT* Message-ID: <3D8945CC.34CE32@videotron.ca>  5 Encompass - HP Enterprise Technology Symposium wrote:nK > 2) Someone building a convention center and 4000 additional hotel room inp	 > Nashua.i > < > We suspect a 3rd alternative will need to be thought of...  N Having a VMS user group, worldwide, and a Tru64 user group, worldwide. No more4 united "DECUS"/whatever-the-name-is-this-week stuff.  U You'll have smaller, more manageable conferences, and more focused/valuable contents.c  K You can get all the general stuff on-line. The conferences can give you theOH ultra detailed stuff and contact with engineers etc. As such, a VMS-onlyI conference can give you better quality than a more general "DECUS" event.   I I am not sure what perfentage of Tru64 users will stick with Tru64 , likesI PDP-11 users who stuck with PDP-11, and what percentage will "defect" ands5 adopt HP-UX. Those who go HP-UX will go with Interex.m  > The "everything to everyone" paradigm just won't work anymore.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:57:43 +1000o@ From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au> Subject: Galaxyt< Message-ID: <3d88e903$0$23170$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  % Anyone know where I can find out infor" on running OpenVMS and UNIX on the same galaxy?  & Anyone doing this and how is it going?     Server consolidation!p   antony   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:17:56 -0400r' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>, Subject: RE: GalaxynT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A10@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Antony,   H Galaxy is software specific to OpenVMS. It allows the dynamic sharing ofG CPU and memory resources between different OS instances within the samet: Alphaserver. Tru64 does not have this specific capability.  D However, you can run different instances in hard partition mode with? Tru64 or OpenVMS running in different partitions. Think of eachm partition as a separate system.a  
 More info:6 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/availability/galaxy.html8 http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/gs_whitepapers.html   Regardss  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanth Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicesn Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----H From: Antony Wardle [mailto:antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au]=20  Sent: September 18, 2002 4:58 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como Subject: Galaxy     % Anyone know where I can find out infoi" on running OpenVMS and UNIX on the same galaxy?  & Anyone doing this and how is it going?     Server consolidation!u   antony   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:42:21 GMTE1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> + Subject: Re: how external input is received ' Message-ID: <3D893F25.FA58DE4D@fsi.net>n   Atlant Schmidt wrote:e >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > K > > As Bill Todd might be quick to point out: efforts to approach MC on thesH > > topic of VMS have, in the past, been deflected to Rich Marcello. I'd6 > > expect the current recipient would be Mark Gorham. > * > That's the beauty of taking my approach.+ > By opening your actual conversation *WITHe% > THE PRESS* but CC'ing Capellas, youb& > bypass all those middlemen whose job1 > it is to shield their bosses from any bad news.i( > The low-level flunkies who screen MC's- > mail aren't paid enough to sit on this sort * > of message, not when it could have wide- > ranging effects. > [snip]  H Well, ya gotta be careful about backing "the wild animal" into a corner.  G Feel free to go ahead and do as you suggest. I'd recommend keeping yournH tracks well covered, however, as embarassing them in the public eye is a) strategy that could backfire very easily.t  A I'm fairly certain we can't shame them into doing the right thingoC anymore than one can shame the weather into co-operating by wearinglE t-shirts and short pants without a coat when the temperature is below 	 freezing.L   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsp http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:41:28 GMTp1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>t# Subject: Re: HP website integration ? Message-ID: <cq6i9.319323$kp.1043671@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>n  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D86BF5A.1BA33D52@videotron.ca...L > On may 7th, when Carly and Curly gave birth, Winkler made a big deal about thei- > integration of the two company's web sites.) >4G > Today, I noticed the following press release about some wintel stuff:  >0F > HP Introduces Space-saving PCs, Thin Clients and Flat Panel Monitors >   for Business Users > <...>d >rF > More information about the Compaq Evo D510 e-pc and Compaq Evo D310v desktopn > PC iso9 >   available at http://www.compaq.com/products/desktops.t > H > So, 6 months after the birth of the new HP, 6 months after Winkler had braggedsL > about having integrated the two company's web sites, it seems that the web( > sites are not so integrated after all. >nG > Has HP decided that the "Compaq" brand was more important than the HPs brand ? I > Or have they stumbled onto various problems that prevented true producta; > integration between the compaq and hp folks/departments ?u  K Wouldn't know as I have never integrated two huge Web sites. I am sure thati/ many here in c.o.v. can provide Better Answers.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:06:12 -0400u2 From: "warren sander" <sander.ma.ultranet@rcn.com># Subject: Re: HP website integrationp+ Message-ID: <amb4gd$h52$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   H The OpenVMS site will be transitioning to the new hp brand on tuesday or wednesday next week.  9 I've converted about 8000 pages so far, only 30,000 left.k  J I'm still working on the hp.com subdomain but I can only do some much at a time.u  5 btw we only got the new  brand stuff in early august.e     --B ------------------------------------------------------------------9 Warren Sander                           OpenVMS MarketingeB Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comG 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1     Personal: sander@remove.ma.ultranet.com-3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875-5    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myselfl,          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/B ------------------------------------------------------------------< "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message9 news:cq6i9.319323$kp.1043671@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...u >.< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3D86BF5A.1BA33D52@videotron.ca...H > > On may 7th, when Carly and Curly gave birth, Winkler made a big deal abouti > then/ > > integration of the two company's web sites.a > >tI > > Today, I noticed the following press release about some wintel stuff:F > >-H > > HP Introduces Space-saving PCs, Thin Clients and Flat Panel Monitors > >   for Business Users	 > > <...>  > >-H > > More information about the Compaq Evo D510 e-pc and Compaq Evo D310v	 > desktop 	 > > PC iso; > >   available at http://www.compaq.com/products/desktops.2 > >0J > > So, 6 months after the birth of the new HP, 6 months after Winkler had	 > braggedaJ > > about having integrated the two company's web sites, it seems that the webe* > > sites are not so integrated after all. > >eI > > Has HP decided that the "Compaq" brand was more important than the HP 	 > brand ?sK > > Or have they stumbled onto various problems that prevented true producte= > > integration between the compaq and hp folks/departments ?i >%H > Wouldn't know as I have never integrated two huge Web sites. I am sure that1 > many here in c.o.v. can provide Better Answers.  >y >l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:22:10 GMTl1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>e# Subject: Re: HP website integrationo- Message-ID: <SM8i9.140278$Jo.40355@rwcrnsc53>t   Not an easy task, is it???  = "warren sander" <sander.ma.ultranet@rcn.com> wrote in messageo% news:amb4gd$h52$1@bob.news.rcn.net... J > The OpenVMS site will be transitioning to the new hp brand on tuesday or > wednesday next week. >R; > I've converted about 8000 pages so far, only 30,000 left.d >AL > I'm still working on the hp.com subdomain but I can only do some much at a > time.t > 7 > btw we only got the new  brand stuff in early august.C >P >N > --D > ------------------------------------------------------------------; > Warren Sander                           OpenVMS MarketinglD > Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comI > 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1     Personal: sander@remove.ma.ultranet.come5 > Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875n7 >    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself5. >          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/D > ------------------------------------------------------------------> > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message; > news:cq6i9.319323$kp.1043671@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...D > >J> > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message* > > news:3D86BF5A.1BA33D52@videotron.ca...J > > > On may 7th, when Carly and Curly gave birth, Winkler made a big deal > abouto > > then1 > > > integration of the two company's web sites.n > > > K > > > Today, I noticed the following press release about some wintel stuff:d > > >oJ > > > HP Introduces Space-saving PCs, Thin Clients and Flat Panel Monitors > > >   for Business Users > > > <...>  > > >eJ > > > More information about the Compaq Evo D510 e-pc and Compaq Evo D310v > > desktopm > > > PC isR= > > >   available at http://www.compaq.com/products/desktops.s > > > L > > > So, 6 months after the birth of the new HP, 6 months after Winkler had > > braggedeL > > > about having integrated the two company's web sites, it seems that the > webu, > > > sites are not so integrated after all. > > > K > > > Has HP decided that the "Compaq" brand was more important than the HPu > > brand ? E > > > Or have they stumbled onto various problems that prevented true  productl? > > > integration between the compaq and hp folks/departments ?A > >aJ > > Wouldn't know as I have never integrated two huge Web sites. I am sure > that3 > > many here in c.o.v. can provide Better Answers.5 > >9 > >  >M >R   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2002 18:01:49 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)G Subject: Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish.t* Message-ID: <amaf2d$4o7$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  w In article <01KMLQ7A4H1U9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:iI :> I am seeking a replacement for the existing character-cell menu systemtL :> presently used for the OpenVMS Freeware, and submissions of a replacementI :> HTML-based menuing system would be appreciated.  (The existing menuingrE :> system is good, but does not particularly lend itself to the web.)w : H :Can it please be an additional option, not a replacement?  Only rarely I :do web interfaces work better than character-cell interfaces which they t2 :replace.  Not all folks will use it over the web.  J   I really don't want to have multiple navigation tools, as there is ampleK   available evidence indicating that I have enough trouble keeping just onenH   working correctly.   (I personally do not use any menuing package for K   accessing the OpenVMS Freeware, and have occasionally considered -- toyedhF   with -- the idea of entirely removing the existing menu system.  AllH   such pleasant thoughts aside, I will continue to provide a menu systemI   of some sort for accessing the Freeware -- and the menu system providede1   will continue to be character-cell accessable.)-  K   As for character-cell access, please use Lynx, or please use the existingyK   accumulated listings (accretions?) of the contents files.  If you wish toeK   create and maintain your own menuing system for future Freeware packages,pK   that is also certainly possible using the existing Freeware V4.0 and V5.0,H   menu files -- I've provided everything I used right onto the Freeware.  K   It would be nice to see the Lynx, Mosaic and other web browsers operatingoH   directly off the Freeware disks, as part of an HTML-based menu system.J   (I am NOT looking to incorporate graphics or other display constructs inK   the HTML!  I simply want to display text and provide navigation, and HTMLID   and the available web browsers provide a useful vehicle for this.)  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:42:25 +0100D) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>tG Subject: Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish.t& Message-ID: <3D88C911.3020500@iee.org>   Paul Sture wrote:h > J > In addition to my other response, does anyone know of a freely availableA > utility which you can feed a url to check for broken url links,i   XENU  ) > (preferably running on VMS, of course)?o   OH. In that case, no.o   Antonion   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 18:02:53 -0400- From: Rich Alderson <alderson+news@panix.com>n@ Subject: Re: Humm, I am getting confused between a PDP and a Vax. Message-ID: <mdd4rcnvtv6.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  4 Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:   > Paul Winalski wrote:  L >> I assume you mean the PDP-11.  'PDP' was the product designation used for  >> most of DEC's computer lines:   >> PDP-1, PDP-9, PDP-15  >> PDP-5, PDP-8a >> PDP-6, PDP-10	 >> PDP-11i  ' >> and I've probably forgotten several.i  J > There wasn't any PDP-13, and I don't think we ever had any PDP >=17 (TheE > DECsystem/20 or however it's capitalized/punctuated doesn't count).u  L Now just hold on there a minute, pardner.  The DECsystem-10 and DECSYSTEM-20N *do* count, just not as changes to the PDP-n numbering scheme.  (They were all PDP-10 architecture systems.)s  O > I don't remember the details of the PDP-2 and PDP-3 but I think they were allD > 18-bitters in the PDP-1 vein.o  L The PDP-2 was a 24-bit paper design, never produced.  The PDP-3 was a 36-bitM design, never built by DEC but a one-off was created by a front company for a.K large secret US government agency.  It was like a double-word-length PDP-1,a( rather than like the later PDP-6/PDP-10.  B > I *THINK* the PDP-4 was a 12-bit system in the PDP-5/PDP-8 vein.  I The PDP-4 was the second 18-bit system, followed by the PDP-7, PDP-9, ande PDP-15.t  N > The PDP-7 was definitely an 18-bitter in the PDP-9and PDP-15 family. (It was > the first Unix machine!!!)  J OK, you got the rest of them.  The major difference between the -1 and theI others was the address size, 12 bits on the -1 vs. 13 bits on the others.r  L > The PDP-12 was a PDP-8 with a LINC processor (and was the successor to the
 > LINC-8).  L And the first 12-bit system was the PDP-5.  Like the PDP-6/10 and -4/7/9/15,1 the -5/8/12 were (IIRC) upwardly code-compatible.    -- tN Rich Alderson                                          alderson+news@panix.comL   "You get what anybody gets.  You get a lifetime."  --Death, of the Endless   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 13:06:29 -0700% From: scada@cyberunlimited.org (Jeff) / Subject: I need help with a DECserver 700-08!!!u= Message-ID: <39ac55d0.0209181206.5cde2066@posting.google.com>   P I am trying to access this DECserver. HOwever, I can't get a LOCAL Prompt on anyI of the 8 ports. I know it's Ethernet Address, but I don't want to have torO set up another Node on my Network, just so I can talk to the DECserver when I'msO planning on changing it's address anyway. Why is it not answering on the ports?iG How can I gain access to it? Where can I find a Firmware Manual for it?a   Thanks.     ( Please reply to scada@cyberunlimited.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:55:13 +1000w@ From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au>3 Subject: Re: I need help with a DECserver 700-08!!!e< Message-ID: <3d88e86d$0$23168$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  7 Well, maybe its been set up for use as a console servera= so that means that it will only talk out of the ports and notc= in. If you know its ip address, you can telnet to the consolei" port (telnet ip address/port=2000)  = If you don't care about whats on it, hold the reset button inoA when you power it on. It should then reset it to factory defaultsn2 and you should be able to get to the local prompt.  + or you can find a phase IV machine and typeu   mc ncl  ? connect via isa-0 physical address 08-00-2b rest of mac addressa  E You might want to check the help, I nearly always have to look it up.l  ' the other way his via help set host/mopb  	 good luck    antony      2 "Jeff" <scada@cyberunlimited.org> wrote in message7 news:39ac55d0.0209181206.5cde2066@posting.google.com...sL I am trying to access this DECserver. HOwever, I can't get a LOCAL Prompt on anyaI of the 8 ports. I know it's Ethernet Address, but I don't want to have to-K set up another Node on my Network, just so I can talk to the DECserver wheno I'meH planning on changing it's address anyway. Why is it not answering on the ports?G How can I gain access to it? Where can I find a Firmware Manual for it?i   Thanks.o    ( Please reply to scada@cyberunlimited.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:20:46 GMTt+ From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com>r3 Subject: Re: I need help with a DECserver 700-08!!!g+ Message-ID: <3D88FED0.F6FDBCCD@ins-msi.com>   E The DECserver 700-08 is a full modem control signals device. You musti6 assert DSR (and maybe CTS) at a minimum to talk to it.  C If you are using a modern VT terminal, select MODEM controls in the = terminal's SETUP list and select ENABLE MODEM CONTROLS there.e   Ask here, answer here.  
 Jeff Campbelle n8wxs@arrl.net     Jeff wrote:y > R > I am trying to access this DECserver. HOwever, I can't get a LOCAL Prompt on anyK > of the 8 ports. I know it's Ethernet Address, but I don't want to have to Q > set up another Node on my Network, just so I can talk to the DECserver when I'm Q > planning on changing it's address anyway. Why is it not answering on the ports? I > How can I gain access to it? Where can I find a Firmware Manual for it?d > 	 > Thanks.s > * > Please reply to scada@cyberunlimited.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:57:04 GMTr1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 3 Subject: Re: I need help with a DECserver 700-08!!!o' Message-ID: <3D894298.5F44CE43@fsi.net>e   Jeff Campbell wrote: > G > The DECserver 700-08 is a full modem control signals device. You mustf8 > assert DSR (and maybe CTS) at a minimum to talk to it.  G It's also possible that all the ports were setup for remote access or as6 dedicated service which is not available at your site.   -- t David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:36:43 GMTc1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i% Subject: Re: IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERTt' Message-ID: <3D893DD1.61C60024@fsi.net>u   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > W > Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:<3D878F9C.214F3902@aaa.com>...w( > > "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" wrote: > > >m > [...]b= > > This all leads us back to some interesting facts, such asa: > > it was the britts that "designed" Iraq and also leaved > [...]  > C > Tropicana Pure Premium Orange Juice now comes in three varieties:d > 	 > No pulpi >  > Too much pulpe >  > Way too much pulpn > 9 > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)o9 >  :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-o9 > ) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :t8 > -) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  G True, but you can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant ('ceptin'a Alice).e  D Let's see now, it was two Thanksgivings ago. It was two years ago on9 Thanksgiving when my friend and I went to visit Alice ...    -- m David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 13:18:40 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: LAT connectionn3 Message-ID: <thm2wuJdxydX@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  W In article <am9pgg$htv$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz>, "Karel Sandler" <sandler@ujf.cas.cz> writes:hI > I would appreciate it if someone can help me with LAT. I have some unixsM > alphas and two old MicroVaxes (VAX/VMS V5.4-1) now. Both have LAT, but onlynM > one TCPIP. I can connect to them from alphas using unix llogin command, butrM > don't know how to establish login from vax to unix, if needed. I am looking N > for the right sequence of  LATCP and SET HOST commands, without success yet.      set host /lat   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:08:54 GMTt4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>Y Subject: Limited mouse functionality using Cygwin/Xfree86 to access DECWindows Motif MotiM0 Message-ID: <3D8913D1.8083905A@blueyonder.co.uk>   Hi,c  D I've got a weird problem with Motif 1.2-5 on VAX/VMS 7.2, TCPIP 5.1.  @ If I use time limited demo XServer to login from my PC all works* (slow, ts10 on a PII 300 MHz but its VMS).  G If I use Cygwin/Xfree86 (latest build) then login proceeds, and sessionlD manager, autostart decterms and MWM come up. However, the mouse onlyG has limited functionality. Text can be cut and pasted within the windownI currently with focus (last one started up). The menu bar in the currently-% selected application can be accessed.1H It is even possible to switch the active window (highlighted MWM border)G by clicking on the main decterm area (however, the window is not poppedeJ to the front). However, none of the MWM mouse functionality like clicking F on the border to select another window, drop down menus in top left ofF window border, right clicking on blank display areas to get popup MWM  Workspace menu, is working.t   In the xdm logfile I get o  ) System menu bar: pseudo mouse not workingn  G but thats also there in the logfile using the demo XServer that doesn'tr have this problem,  A I am using Cygwin/XFREE86 to access linux with no such problems. d  C Does anyone have any light to shed on this highly annoying problem?s< I tried removing my cusom decw$mwm.dat but that didn't help.   Regards,   -- N tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk >  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 16:13:26 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i Subject: Re: MAIL suggestion3 Message-ID: <J7c8h65qCMF$@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  [ In article <3D862EC8.1C7486E@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  > M > Another "must" is to be able to specify some basic RFC fields (optionally),hO > such as Reply-to: when composing or replying to an email. (and when replying,uL > one must be able to edit the envelope to perhaps add more recipients etc).  J    Reply to all. Both the GUI and the character cell interfaces very much 
    need this.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:46:45 GMT31 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> ! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.r- Message-ID: <9v6i9.139779$Jo.38846@rwcrnsc53>t  ? "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in messagek( news:3D88C1EC.17639452@mindspring.com... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:c >rC > > Nwever mind that the "Baby Milk Factory" signs were scrawled on 
 carddboardH > > and the pix were on FondaVision; just shows you what 20 years of NEA > > indoctrination will do. ;-}0 >0 >   "FondaVision"? >   "NEA indoctrination"' >   "Tree Huggers" (from another reply)E >M) > Gee, Terry, you're throwing a lot of ade' > hominem argumentation around. Runningo > short of factual arguments?   L No, but muzzled on some. Not muzzled om my right to free expression, which IF fought poudly killed for. I am sure you are a veteran, too. If sit-ins count!     >@ > Atlant > . > (Proud to be associated with "tree huggers",+ > peaceniks, hippies, *LIBERALS*, and other,0 > names that the "Right" thinks are invectives.)  L And now doubt proud to take half my income and redistribute it 'cos onlu ypu/ are smart enough to do this, President Daschle.   
 Terry Shannon  LIFE NRA Member  Votery   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:11:56 -0400i2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. . Message-ID: <3D88C1EC.17639452@mindspring.com>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:u  L > Nwever mind that the "Baby Milk Factory" signs were scrawled on carddboardF > and the pix were on FondaVision; just shows you what 20 years of NEA > indoctrination will do. ;-}-     "FondaVision"?   "NEA indoctrination"%   "Tree Huggers" (from another reply)B  ' Gee, Terry, you're throwing a lot of ad % hominem argumentation around. Running  short of factual arguments?-   Atlant  , (Proud to be associated with "tree huggers",) peaceniks, hippies, *LIBERALS*, and othert. names that the "Right" thinks are invectives.)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:16:52 GMTy* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.r@ Message-ID: <Ua5i9.17240$216.716690@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  ? "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message ( news:3D8877AF.DFC1FBF4@mindspring.com... > Bill Todd wrote: >aC > > "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message:, > > news:3D875A28.A21BA5E2@mindspring.com...5 > > > If you don't think the Bush's use commercial PR  > > > to prop up their warse > > L > > That ties in with an interesting comment I happened to catch on HeadlineI > > News a few days ago.  A Bush official was describing the PR effort tos buildtL > > up sentiment (especially in Congress) for an attack on Iraq.  When asked whysH > > it hadn't begun earlier, his reply was "No one launches a product in > > August..." >t* > That was Andrew Card, Bush's White House0 > Chief-of-Staff.  The latest citation I've seen, > for this was an article in yesterday's San, > Francisco Chronicle. and that reported the > quote as:f >t/ >     "from a marketing point of view you don't ( >     introduce new products in August."  H Thanks - that could easily have been what I heard, since I wasn't payingH that much attention until that sentiment kind of jumped out and demandedA notice.  Sorry for the imprecise (and unidentified) paraphrasing.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:29:46 GMTm* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.aB Message-ID: <_m5i9.130911$5r1.5175290@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message9 news:wG0i9.316893$kp.1043097@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...o >hA > "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in messagey* > news:3D8876B2.D0B87A11@mindspring.com... > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >  > > > Atlant Schmidt wrote:e > > >n7 > > > > David, I'm quite familiar with the specifics ofs, > > > > the situation I'm citing, ... [snip] > > >tK > > > I'm sure you are. My point is that we're talking about two, separate, 5 > > > distinct situations surrounding the same event.y > >t	 > > Okay.i > > 9 > > I've explained the specifics (and provided citations)y4 > > about the incident *I'M* aware of (where we were< > > clearly lied to to justify Oil War I); what incident are8 > > *YOU* aware of? (Don't forget to include citations.) >t > Ah, so it was about OIL!   No shit, Sherlock.   >oJ > Guess we were fed a bunch of lies about weapons of mass destruction, the > rape of Kuwait, etc.   Different issues.o  H Of course Saddam was working to obtain weapons of mass destruction, justJ like a great many other countries that don't have them.  And of course theG invasion of Kuwait was wrong.  But without the question of oil, both inrF Kuwait itself and in terms of the perceived threat to stability in theL surrounding region, it's highly unlikely that the U.S. would acted nearly asK forcefully or immediately:  after all, we had been consistently saying thatt+ we didn't want to be the world's policeman.n   >tL > And where were the tree-huggers when Beloved Leader Saddam torched off all > the oil wells? > 
 > Hypocrites.n  H No, just people who can see multiple facets of an issue rather than wearG blinders.  I heartily supported kicking Saddam's ass out of Kuwait, andcH heartily condemned the actions of his troops when they withdrew.  I alsoJ don't fault GHWB (for whom I have considerably more respect, and fondness,L than I do for his son) for not having pressed on to Baghdad:  it was a toughF choice to make at the time and a defensible one, even though hindsight- suggests that it may have been the wrong one.n  K But none of that excuses the use of lies (to one's own people and Congress) / to garner support for the effort.  Not one bit.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 16:17:44 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)M! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. 3 Message-ID: <iAsmI9HKJcxS@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  o In article <_m5i9.130911$5r1.5175290@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:H  J > Of course Saddam was working to obtain weapons of mass destruction, justL > like a great many other countries that don't have them.  And of course theI > invasion of Kuwait was wrong.  But without the question of oil, both in H > Kuwait itself and in terms of the perceived threat to stability in theN > surrounding region, it's highly unlikely that the U.S. would acted nearly asM > forcefully or immediately:  after all, we had been consistently saying that - > we didn't want to be the world's policeman.   F    Lately the administration seems very much to want to be the world's    Rooster Cogburn.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:27:03 GMTs1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>t! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.e? Message-ID: <aZ7i9.319645$kp.1043629@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>-  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message' news:9v6i9.139779$Jo.38846@rwcrnsc53...R >FA > "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in messagea* > news:3D88C1EC.17639452@mindspring.com... > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:r > >eE > > > Nwever mind that the "Baby Milk Factory" signs were scrawled onb > carddboardJ > > > and the pix were on FondaVision; just shows you what 20 years of NEA! > > > indoctrination will do. ;-}s > >  > >   "FondaVision"? > >   "NEA indoctrination") > >   "Tree Huggers" (from another reply)e > > + > > Gee, Terry, you're throwing a lot of add) > > hominem argumentation around. RunningS > > short of factual arguments?e >nL > No, but muzzled on some. Not muzzled om my right to free expression, which IwH > fought poudly killed for. I am sure you are a veteran, too. If sit-ins > count! >D >S > >t
 > > Atlant > >m0 > > (Proud to be associated with "tree huggers",- > > peaceniks, hippies, *LIBERALS*, and other 2 > > names that the "Right" thinks are invectives.) >nJ > And now doubt proud to take half my income and redistribute it 'cos onlu ypu 1 > are smart enough to do this, President Daschle.n >t > Terry Shannona > LIFE NRA MembereK > Voter and Volunnteer Vietnam Veteran (5K NVA KIA due to accurate ARCLIGHT 
 targeting_$ > Volnteer firefighter and paramedic  J OOPS.... forgot to say: PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, and AL QAEDA SCUM SUCK!!!  " Sincere apologies for the omission   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:30:41 GMTo1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>-! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.e' Message-ID: <3D893C67.21077382@fsi.net>M   Atlant Schmidt wrote:e >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > > Atlant Schmidt wrote:M > >p5 > > > David, I'm quite familiar with the specifics of4* > > > the situation I'm citing, ... [snip] > >eI > > I'm sure you are. My point is that we're talking about two, separate,03 > > distinct situations surrounding the same event.s >  > Okay.t > 7 > I've explained the specifics (and provided citations)r2 > about the incident *I'M* aware of (where we were: > clearly lied to to justify Oil War I); what incident are6 > *YOU* aware of? (Don't forget to include citations.)   See my earlier posts.o  H I'd like to quote you citations, but current demands on my time prohibit0 undertaking a lengthy research project just now.  F Here's what you're looking for, should you decide to do as I suggestedG and spend a few days culling the library (you may actually find some off- this on-line, but I rather tend to doubt it):-  B 1. Back issues from the period covering the Iraqi invasion and theE conversion of Desert Shield into Desert Storm. Try these publicationsh first: o New York Times o Time
 o Newsweek o US News & World report o USA Today  o Chicago Tribune  o others...   ? 2. CNN film/video tape archives or archives from other sources.m  E Specifically, you're looking for pictures and film of Kuwaiti corpsesnF left hung, beheaded, dismembered, castrated and/or disemboweled and/orG burnt alive, eye witness accounts from survivors and dying declarations F from victims who died of their injuries shortly after the reports wereC filed. I don't recall reports of any mass graves being found, but IMD believe there should be at least one report of mass homicide in someE isolated locations, mostly Kuwaiti troops (they did have a small, buty# hopelessly outnumbered army, IIRC).a  @ Now, if you're suggesting that the Saudis maimed and/or murderedB Kuwaitis (or their own people!) and tried to pin it on the Iraqis, that's another issue entirely.   -- y David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:24:58 -0400y( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.a, Message-ID: <3D89438A.2060400@tsoft-inc.com>   Atlant Schmidt wrote:i   > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:c >  > L >>Nwever mind that the "Baby Milk Factory" signs were scrawled on carddboardF >>and the pix were on FondaVision; just shows you what 20 years of NEA >>indoctrination will do. ;-}8 >> >  >   "FondaVision"? >   "NEA indoctrination"' >   "Tree Huggers" (from another reply)o > ) > Gee, Terry, you're throwing a lot of ada' > hominem argumentation around. Runnings > short of factual arguments?a >  > Atlant > . > (Proud to be associated with "tree huggers",+ > peaceniks, hippies, *LIBERALS*, and otherh0 > names that the "Right" thinks are invectives.)    M Please tell me what you and the rest of the peaceniks and *LIBERALS* will be iQ doing when Saddam comes knocking at your door.  This guy is a nutcase, and worse oI than any of the people in this country that you seem to despise.  You'll aN tolerate him, but not people in this country that just want to make sure that Q they're not fed sarin and 757s full of jet A.  Why is that?  Can you just answer   that one question?   As for trees, I love them. Hippies are fine.   O It's fine to care about people and the environment.  It's worse than stupid to eO ignore real dangers.  It's just as bad to support a 'side' without reservation o) and a careful study of their real issues.l  N I've found liberals to be mainly hippocrits.  They want to tell others how to Q live, act, and think, but reserve other options for themselves.  When I tell you .H what I stand for, it's things that apply to me as well as everyone else.  Q And when you want to compare others, like George Bush, to Saddam, please include yQ the body count of women, babies, innocents, and such for each.  Please note that eP I will not accept as innocent anyone wearing a uniform, carrying a gun, and dug Q in occupying another country as innocent.  Also do not count people living under yP a Saddam or a Hitler as innocent victims due to actions of people resisting the  tyrant.y   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 03:57:35 GMT1( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>+ Subject: Re: OpenOffice ODBC and Oracle Rdbn, Message-ID: <3D894B2B.8090203@spammotel.com>   Bob M. Lee wrote:aJ > One other thing - Upgrade to Oracle Rdb v7.1 - SQL*Net for Rdb (NET8) - J > will support JDBC thin-clients with better SQL*Plus language compliance 6 > than before. (Besides that Rdb v7.1 SQL likes JAVA.) >   B No chance of that, I'm afraid.  I'm only one of many users of the G databases, and my trials with OO and ODBC are not on the admin's radar.P   Cheers,i   AlderF   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:00:15 GMTi( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>+ Subject: Re: OpenOffice ODBC and Oracle Rdbl* Message-ID: <3D894BCB.10707@spammotel.com>   Bob M. Lee wrote:s > From:e > F > The driver implementations provide an API similiar to the JDBC API. J > Currently there are implementations for JDBC, ODBC 3.0, dBase, ADO, and  > CSV files available. > 3 > The ODBC source code is in C++ and is located at:  > P > http://dba.openoffice.org/source/browse/dba/connectivity/source/drivers/odbc/  >  > % > The JDBC source code is located at:h > P > http://dba.openoffice.org/source/browse/dba/connectivity/source/drivers/jdbc/  >  > J > The only thing that might be preventing the ODBC connection from workingJ > is that the current "Oracle Rdb ODBC Driver" is reported to be a "Thick > > Client" ODBC-implementation.  It might be the case that the H > OpenOffice.org folks anticipated a "Thin Client" ODBC-implementation, C > but this would be diametrically opposed to the MS "Thick Client" r > ODBC-implementations.  > . > That's about all that I can suggest for now, >  >     Hope this helps, >  >             -bob lee-  > ) >         mailto:rbobleenospamataoldotcoml >  >  >  > Alder wrote: >  >> Michael Austin wrote: >> >>> Alder wrote: >>>-D >>>> In an effort to reduce my personal reliance on Billyware, I've  >>>> installedJ >>>> the OpenOffice suite on a Windows machine here at home.  I could findK >>>> some use for the suite if I could make a successful ODBC connection toaL >>>> the Oracle Rdb database at work, but so far have been unable to make it >>>> happen. >>>>K >>>> Anyone here manage to make a successful ODBC connection with an Oracle-E >>>> Rdb database from the OpenOffice 1.0 or 1.0.1 suite of programs?s >>>>
 >>>> Regards,t
 >>>> Alder >>>s >>>9 >>>2 >>>1G >>> have you tried installing the Oracle ODBC driver for Rdb? It is noti! >>> billyware but may be related.s >>>BK >>> A better forum for this question would be the Rdb List server sponsored, >>> by WWW.JCC.COM >> >> >>D >> Sorry, I should have mentioned that I have the Oracle Rdb Driver J >> 3.00.02 installed and have used it successfully with MSQuery and other H >> clients to connect with my Rdb databases.  It's just that OpenOffice # >> seems to have a problem with it.  >>G >> I've also tried subscribing to the JCC list in the past.  It didn't 1D >> seem to generate any messages, but maybe I'll try again.  Thanks. >> >> Alder >> >   D Well, at the very least your comments might get some others to make H their talents known.  I've filed an official bug report with the OO DBA 7 project, so here's hoping something good will fall out.e   Alderl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:34:24 -0500n+ From: Shael Richmond <ksrich@bellsouth.net>e2 Subject: Re: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS., Message-ID: <3D8929A0.1E90F1A@bellsouth.net>   Martin Zijderhand wrote: > I > Is there someone who has experience with a Alpha with OpenVMS 7.2 and aaL > PowerWare ups. Which software is needed to shutdown the Alpha when the Ups
 > request to?a >   C Yes it works quite well.  The software comes free with the Alpha's.aA The catch is you need a special cable from Compaq.  It works with9< terminal server ports or the Alpha serial port which we use.E I'm sure you could figure out the pinouts, but the cable is differentb% then the one that comes with the UPS.p  B As someone mentioned it doesn't do much more then detect when the ? UPS is on battery.  It executes .com procedures when it detectsr= a power failure.  After a configurable amount of time you cand@ shutdown the system.  If power is restored the software detects  it and stops the shutdown.   Shaelu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:59:55 -0400-5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> M Subject: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSm* Message-ID: <amaiff$796$1@web1.cup.hp.com>    Folks, , I just got this and wanted to pass it along. sue2  D PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMS      H As most of you know, Ericom's PowerTerm 525 Terminal Emulator has been aJ part of PATHWORKS for the last 6 years.  And, Ericom's PowerTerm family ofG terminal emulation products has become the standard for OpenVMS access.4B Recently, Ericom introduced a version that runs natively on Linux.  I  As you all know, Linux is a tremendous success in the Server marketplace.E and lately it has started gaining market share as an alternative to aiE Windows desktop environment.  Many organizations worldwide, includingsL governments such as the German, Taiwanese, Brazilian and others, have made aL decision to move to Linux in order to save on licensing costs.  And, many ofL those organizations are using OpenVMS (and other HP legacy systems) and needJ to use a complete, accurate and familiar terminal emulator that connect to( any legacy systems that they might have.  I  PowerTerm is the most complete Terminal Emulator available today for andtI runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, PocketPC and Browser based and supportsuL the widest range of Legacy systems including OpenVMS, Unix, Tandem, HP/3000,4 IBM Mainframe, AS/400, SCO, Data General and others.  J  Feel free to download PowerTerm InterConnect (Linux Edition) from our web site: www.ericom.com/linux  I In case you have any questions please email to linuxsupport@ericom.com orr call   USA: (201) 767 2210h   Europe: +44-1905-777-970       Eran Heyman    CEOv   Ericom Software Inc.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 18:12:57 -0400& From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)Q Subject: Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSl1 Message-ID: <amatp9$pih$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>   * In article <amaiff$796$1@web1.cup.hp.com>,I Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> (really Eran Heyman) wrote:A : ...8K :  PowerTerm is the most complete Terminal Emulator available today for andeK : runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, PocketPC and Browser based and supports N : the widest range of Legacy systems including OpenVMS, Unix, Tandem, HP/3000,6 : IBM Mainframe, AS/400, SCO, Data General and others. : K Telling VMS people that VMS is a legacy operating system is not exactly the G best marketing strategy.  And wow, even in Unix is legacy...  It's hardeI to keep up!  Hmmm, what's left that isn't legacy that you can connect to l with a terminal emulator?r   - Frankt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:25:53 -0400p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>aQ Subject: Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSr, Message-ID: <3D891990.21BA1100@videotron.ca>   Frank da Cruz wrote:M > :  PowerTerm is the most complete Terminal Emulator available today for andhM > : runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, PocketPC and Browser based and supportsuP > : the widest range of Legacy systems including OpenVMS, Unix, Tandem, HP/3000,8 > : IBM Mainframe, AS/400, SCO, Data General and others. > : M > Telling VMS people that VMS is a legacy operating system is not exactly thee? > best marketing strategy.  And wow, even in Unix is legacy... t  P Especially since it mentiosn Linux as a mainstream OS but Unix as legacy :-) :-)   Kermit all the way :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2002 00:29:53 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>oQ Subject: Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSy* Message-ID: <amb5q1$ead$2@news1.radix.net>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > Frank da Cruz wrote:N >> :  PowerTerm is the most complete Terminal Emulator available today for andN >> : runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, PocketPC and Browser based and supportsQ >> : the widest range of Legacy systems including OpenVMS, Unix, Tandem, HP/3000,-9 >> : IBM Mainframe, AS/400, SCO, Data General and others.- >> :N >> Telling VMS people that VMS is a legacy operating system is not exactly the@ >> best marketing strategy.  And wow, even in Unix is legacy...   R > Especially since it mentiosn Linux as a mainstream OS but Unix as legacy :-) :-)  M I took a look at the download, decided that anyone stupid enough to install arI demo as root probably would pay him for the privilege one way or another.r   > Kermit all the way :-)   and xterm, of course   -- 1= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>m http://dickey.his.coma ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2002 00:21:11 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>SQ Subject: Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMS-* Message-ID: <amb59n$ead$1@news1.radix.net>  ' Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote: , > In article <amaiff$796$1@web1.cup.hp.com>,K > Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> (really Eran Heyman) wrote:S > : ...tM > :  PowerTerm is the most complete Terminal Emulator available today for and M > : runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, PocketPC and Browser based and supportscP > : the widest range of Legacy systems including OpenVMS, Unix, Tandem, HP/3000,8 > : IBM Mainframe, AS/400, SCO, Data General and others. > : M > Telling VMS people that VMS is a legacy operating system is not exactly the/I > best marketing strategy.  And wow, even in Unix is legacy...  It's hard K > to keep up!  Hmmm, what's left that isn't legacy that you can connect to u > with a terminal emulator?n  H probably none.  Whatever technical expertise they have was not wasted on their webpage, though.   --  = Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>  http://dickey.his.com- ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 02 04:26:37 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) Q Subject: Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSh) Message-ID: <HK8e2knZd1J$@elias.decus.ch>P  Z In article <amatp9$pih$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:, > In article <amaiff$796$1@web1.cup.hp.com>,K > Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> (really Eran Heyman) wrote:P > : ...-M > :  PowerTerm is the most complete Terminal Emulator available today for andmM > : runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, PocketPC and Browser based and supports P > : the widest range of Legacy systems including OpenVMS, Unix, Tandem, HP/3000,8 > : IBM Mainframe, AS/400, SCO, Data General and others. > : M > Telling VMS people that VMS is a legacy operating system is not exactly the1I > best marketing strategy.  And wow, even in Unix is legacy...  It's hard K > to keep up!  Hmmm, what's left that isn't legacy that you can connect to   > with a terminal emulator?- > 4 Fibrechannel, network gear and disk controllers? :-)   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland7   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:09:44 -0400s( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>Q Subject: Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSe, Message-ID: <3D894E08.7060300@tsoft-inc.com>   Frank da Cruz wrote:  , > In article <amaiff$796$1@web1.cup.hp.com>,K > Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> (really Eran Heyman) wrote:s > : ...gM > :  PowerTerm is the most complete Terminal Emulator available today for andaM > : runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, PocketPC and Browser based and supports P > : the widest range of Legacy systems including OpenVMS, Unix, Tandem, HP/3000,8 > : IBM Mainframe, AS/400, SCO, Data General and others. > : M > Telling VMS people that VMS is a legacy operating system is not exactly therI > best marketing strategy.  And wow, even in Unix is legacy...  It's hard>K > to keep up!  Hmmm, what's left that isn't legacy that you can connect to h > with a terminal emulator?h > 	 > - Frankc >     K Good point.  It would have been much better to say that it "works with the rO widest range of systems that support terminal operations".  This could be read  P to imply that supporting terminal operations is a feature and a benefit of such  systems.  N When you adopt the enemy's terminology and definitions, he's already won, and  you've already lost.   Dave   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 13:06:57 -07001 From: glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Glen Martin) + Subject: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backupsl= Message-ID: <6e2f14f4.0209181206.42a2e6dd@posting.google.com>n  C About once every other week (corresponding with our full backups ofmE the disk containing SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL) our QUEUE MANAGERn6 is dying. Any ideas as to why this might be happening?  & Any help would be greatly appreciated. Glen   OpenVMS Alpha v6.2 IE The following events in OPERATOR.LOG are representative of what showss up:w    8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.83  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET %QMAN-E-WRITEERR, error writinga0 DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JO  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.84  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET& -RMS-F-RMV, ACP remove function failed  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.84  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET* -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.87  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET %QMAN-F-OPENERR, error opening1 DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOU   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.87  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET1 -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another usero  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.87  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET* -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:11.13  %%%%%%%%%%%' Message from user JOB_CONTROL on VIOLETe< %JBC-E-QMANDEL, unexpected queue manager process termination  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:17.08  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET %QMAN-F-OPENERR, error opening1 DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOUa  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:17.08  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET1 -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:17.08  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET* -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:22.96  %%%%%%%%%%%' Message from user JOB_CONTROL on VIOLETa< %JBC-E-QMANDEL, unexpected queue manager process termination   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:17:12 -0400w% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>-/ Subject: Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backups4/ Message-ID: <uohnq9fo2rh0c5@news.supernews.com>f  7 It looks like the queue manager is trying to delete theDL SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL file but it can't because BACKUP has it open.J It seems strange that you would hit that conflict more than once in a blue moon.b  > "Glen Martin" <glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu> wrote in message7 news:6e2f14f4.0209181206.42a2e6dd@posting.google.com...wE > About once every other week (corresponding with our full backups ofpG > the disk containing SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL) our QUEUE MANAGERp8 > is dying. Any ideas as to why this might be happening? >-( > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Glen >o > OpenVMS Alpha v6.2G > The following events in OPERATOR.LOG are representative of what shows- > up:- >- >-: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.83  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET! > %QMAN-E-WRITEERR, error writingn2 > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JO > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.84  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET( > -RMS-F-RMV, ACP remove function failed >e: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.84  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET, > -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict >6: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET  > %QMAN-F-OPENERR, error opening3 > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOUd >": > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET3 > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another usern > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET, > -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:11.13  %%%%%%%%%%%) > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on VIOLETs> > %JBC-E-QMANDEL, unexpected queue manager process termination >e: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:17.08  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET  > %QMAN-F-OPENERR, error opening3 > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOU  >8: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:17.08  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET3 > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another useri >r: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:17.08  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET, > -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict >s: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:22.96  %%%%%%%%%%%) > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on VIOLETp> > %JBC-E-QMANDEL, unexpected queue manager process termination   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 15:21:49 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)i/ Subject: Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backupsn3 Message-ID: <+wqcch4bbjja@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  q In article <6e2f14f4.0209181206.42a2e6dd@posting.google.com>, glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Glen Martin) writes:d   > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.83  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET! > %QMAN-E-WRITEERR, error writinge  2 > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JO    > %QMAN-F-OPENERR, error opening3 > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOU     ; 	What is the full text of the message?  You have it choppedi 	off.  Full text will help.s   				Robe   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:39:06 +1000u@ From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au>/ Subject: Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backupsl< Message-ID: <3d88e4b4$0$23168$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>   Same thing is happening to me,' Although I don't really suspect backups@$ as I don't run backups on my machine all that often.g  - maybe it has something to do with the /records. qualifier? For me it happens really frequently, and then creates lots of dmps in sys$system:  / The bizzare thing is that my production machine 5 hasn't had this problem, although it is in a cluster.   . Called HPQ and installed 18 patches, but it is+ still happening. Time to open another call.d   cheers   antony    0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message) news:uohnq9fo2rh0c5@news.supernews.com...e7 It looks like the queue manager is trying to delete the-L SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL file but it can't because BACKUP has it open.J It seems strange that you would hit that conflict more than once in a blue moon.o  > "Glen Martin" <glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu> wrote in message7 news:6e2f14f4.0209181206.42a2e6dd@posting.google.com...oE > About once every other week (corresponding with our full backups ofMG > the disk containing SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL) our QUEUE MANAGER 8 > is dying. Any ideas as to why this might be happening? >i( > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Glen >A > OpenVMS Alpha v6.2G > The following events in OPERATOR.LOG are representative of what shows  > up:a >  >o: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.83  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET! > %QMAN-E-WRITEERR, error writing,2 > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JO > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.84  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET( > -RMS-F-RMV, ACP remove function failed > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.84  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET, > -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict >t: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET  > %QMAN-F-OPENERR, error opening3 > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOU. >>: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET3 > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another userr >s: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET, > -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict >n: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:11.13  %%%%%%%%%%%) > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on VIOLET > > %JBC-E-QMANDEL, unexpected queue manager process termination >g: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:17.08  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET  > %QMAN-F-OPENERR, error opening3 > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOU- > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:17.08  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET3 > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user4 >r: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:17.08  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET, > -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict >a: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:22.96  %%%%%%%%%%%) > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on VIOLETs> > %JBC-E-QMANDEL, unexpected queue manager process termination   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 11:38:42 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) ) Subject: Raid Array 7000 battery question - Message-ID: <UHg95PSrjPJf@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>n  0   A question about batteries on Raid Array 7000:  2   I have a RA7000 in which I recently installed a / new battery. After charging for a day or so theu5 battery came up and said it was good. I tried testing 2 it by powering everything off for 10 minutes. When0 I powered back on everything appeared to recover6 (no "lost data" errors or anything), but the batteries0 both reported as "low" and are still saying that2 an hour later. Should the batteries go from "good"1 to "low" after only 10 minutes of load? Should itI. take an hour ( and still counting ) to recover back to "good"?j  3   Also, my mirrorsets are still working even thoughe- both the cache and mirror cache batteries are 1 low. Is that how it's supposed to work, I thought . they got disabled when the batteries were low.  7   The firmware version is 77Z ( in case that matters ).-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:17:07 GMTh0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>X Subject: Re: Recommendations for Win2K Pro NFS client for use with TCPIP V5.1 NFS server2 Message-ID: <TP7i9.49$9m5.934982@news.cpqcorp.net>  = Two that I am familiar with are NFS Maestro from Hummingbird,   :      http://www.hummingbird.com/products/nc/nfs/index.html   and another is WRQ Reflections  9      http://www.wrq.com/products/reflection/pc_unix/rnfs/   J I am curious what sort of snags you ran into with MS Services for UNIX.  I$ had planned to one day give it a go.   Matt.e   --= -------------------------------------------------------------r OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companya Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAO= -------------------------------------------------------------     3 "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in message 7 news:cc5619f2.0209180847.77db865c@posting.google.com...lE > We just spent a lovely 3 days trying to get microsoft 'services foriB > unix, V3.0' to provide a usable NFS client on both NT4.0sp6a andD > W2Ksp2 systems.  The server is a DS10, VMS V7.2-1 (fully patched),F > TCPIP V5.1eco4.  We're able to mount the filesystems exported by theE > Alpha on a separate VMS system so we know the server is OK, but thecD > string of problems with the MS client just killed it as an option. >yG > We are not willing to put pathworks on the Alpha (or Samba) for otherlF > reasons, and only one PC running a particular service needs to share > disk space with the Alpha. > G > I've located several different vendors, and some recommendations, butiB > didn't see any specific recommendations here in COV.  Can anyoneC > recommend a fairly self contained (doesn't need active directory, E > doesn't need windows name mapping, doesn't need NIS, comes with allsH > you need to make Win2K an NFS client for VMS 7.2-1/TCPIP V5.1, and not% > too much other un-necessary fluff)?n >, > Thanks >o
 > Rich Jordann > CCSn   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:44:48 GMTa1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a. Subject: Re: Saveset distribution over the web' Message-ID: <3D893FB8.5E7A3047@fsi.net>o   Paddy O'Brien wrote: >  > Roy Omond wrote: > > Jim Agnew wrote: > >  > >iJ > >>For my experience, I backup into a saveset, then zip it, then uuencodeJ > >>it and i have NO problems whatsoever across all versions of vms, unix,G > >>dos, windows.  my backup savesets get there as uuencode no problem.< > >> > >>overkill, tho.. !!!! > >s > >aF > > My experience is the exact opposite of this.  Every time Micros**tC > > Exchange is involved, it seems to uudecode anything that's beene@ > > uuencoded (and makes a mess of the resulting file), which isB > > completely and utterly against the RFC's (try sending a *text*A > > file that starts with a line that looks like a uuencoded filet& > > i.e. "begin 777 x.x" or whatever). > >s > > As always, YMMV. > >.
 > > Roy Omondn > > Blue Bubble Ltd. > J > Well, Jim's way is the way I always used to do it when I had egress from > VMS (my old zzz subdomain).n > F > Now that I have to use this new, wonderful OS, anything that doesn'tB > read as "Mary had a little lamb" (err, the clean versions :-) isG > immediately quaranteened.  For some reason BG does not like UUENCODE:i1 > not an open (in Microsoft terminology) program.-   Mary had a little lamb,9 the doctor had a fit.n When Old MacDonald had a farm, the doctor up and quit!    -- a David J. Dachtera7 dba DJE Systemsc http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/4   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:06:37 +0200n" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>' Subject: Re: So help me understand her.n5 Message-ID: <amafbs$48dt1$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>e  > Assuming that you're not outsourcing your homework, here goes:  8 "Questions Dude" <reply@newsgoup.com> schreef in bericht& news:3D87F681.3F13EBE1@newsgoup.com...I > Okay, first I just came accross VMS like three days ago and was messingS9 > around w/ the system but I can't get past a few things.n >mI > 1) Everyone says its dead and yet still this group is active, I've seeniI > some universities that still have help documents on it etc.  What's the E > deal?  With all the talk of VMS being dead because of the Compaq/HP I > merger it sure as hell looks alive to me.  I mean they are even portingtI > it to the new Itanium chips.  Since original was 64 bit alpha this shitdH > sould be natural.  They are coming out w/ newer versions of this thing > off an on.  What gives?n  B VMS is still under active development. It runs commercially on twoF platforms: the 32-bit VAX and the 64-bit Alpha (a.k.a. AXP). HP is nowL porting it to a 64-bit Intel platform and is expected for commercial release in the near future.  Other VMS platforms are:B -simulators that run on linux/unix/windows and simulate a VAX cpu., -freeVMS that runs on 32-bit Intel hardware.  L VAX/VMS and ALPHA/VMS are now at version 7.3 (7.3-1 is out or will be within	 a month).   I > 2) What kind of systems are you people running on your VMS on?  All thehH > pictures I see are of cabinet size machines with magnetic tapes on allI > of them in like 70's style casing.  I doubt you ppl still use those!  IyF > mean processors speeds, RAM, disk space etc.  Are they blade servers > etc?  I VAX/VMS was originally released in 1978 or so on hardware that you (beingn? young of age) would not immediately recognize as a computer :-)eJ But rest assured, yes it runs on new, cool hardware like a blade platform.  F > 3)  The damn thing has everything ported to it right?  I mean ORACLEB > runs on it?  You got a graphical user interface etc.  So tell meI > honestly why does it fall short of other systems.  Why wouldn't you useoB > VMS to say run a website or run a mail server, print server etc.  I VMS IS used to run webpages, especially if you care for good security and ? uptimes that are measured in years instead of hours/days/weeks.dJ There used to be a VMS program library book that, when dropped on a horse,I would surely kill said poor animal. These days are gone, but still a goodeI amount of third party software still runs on VMS. Ten years ago a product F had to support VMS to stand a chance of commercial success. That is noH longer the case, but there are still many vendors out there that support VMS.@ Furthermore, traditionally VMS customers tend to write their ownK applications. Example stock exchanges. If you own a cell phone and use SMS,v9 then you're using VMS since it processes all SMS traffic.   C > 4)  What about programming?  I just compiled some C code and some J > FORTRAN 90 stuff and it seemed to work fine for me.  Why aren't the sameH > applications available for VMS that are written in those languages forC > other OS.  C is standard.  Java is standard(yea, yea, I read someeH > threads where ppl are complaining that the java compiler is written in? > java and too slow but, what about now?  Its still like that?)   J There are many languages available for VMS. There are two C compilers, andL the original VAX-C is not very compatible with other brands. The newer DEC CI compiler is an improvement. By and large it is more what you are used to.b  G > 5)  I only hear talk of memory swapping and tight security etc.  What3C > good is any of this stuff to anyone?  I mean does the health careCD > industry, auto industry, military, educational institutions, dairyJ > industry, or any other businesses rely on VMS?  What can it be best usedF > for.  Like Bio-technology since its super fast on 64-bit processors?  K Intel runs its plants on VMS, car manufacturers use on VMS, stock exchangesr4 and so on. Visit the HP site for a customer profile.    J >   I just have a user account on some guy's machine but man this thing isH > interesting to me.  I mean I've worked on *nix stuff and also PC stuffJ > but I never knew other kinds of stuff was still around.  I'm really intoH > this thing.  I can't do a lick of advanced stuff on it.  I do edit/tpuF > and junk and just send mail etc.  I just want to get a feel for DCL.5 > Can any of you recommend some cool projects for me.  >sF > I'm a computer engineering student and I was just messing around andJ > this guy offered me an account to learn the OS.  I really want to dig inI > but I have no clue what to do on there.  I don't mean to sound ignorantt; > nor do I want to sound like a troll but I'm just curious.s >n > T.I.A. >u > QD   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:07:24 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>t' Subject: Re: So help me understand her.f( Message-ID: <3D88C0DC.7040004@rdrop.com>   Hans Vlems wrote:r@ > Assuming that you're not outsourcing your homework, here goes:  6 That would make him an MBA candidate, wouldn't it? ;-)   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 13:14:42 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: So help me understand her. 3 Message-ID: <$JFCFng3pmn3@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  X In article <3D87F681.3F13EBE1@newsgoup.com>, Questions Dude <reply@newsgoup.com> writes:I > Okay, first I just came accross VMS like three days ago and was messingc9 > around w/ the system but I can't get past a few things.t  -    Sure looks like a troll.  Sounds like fun.   I > 1) Everyone says its dead and yet still this group is active, I've seen0I > some universities that still have help documents on it etc.  What's thefE > deal?  With all the talk of VMS being dead because of the Compaq/HP I > merger it sure as hell looks alive to me.  I mean they are even portingNI > it to the new Itanium chips.  Since original was 64 bit alpha this shit H > sould be natural.  They are coming out w/ newer versions of this thing > off an on.  What gives?,  D    Only Gartner and Gartner's customers believe VMS is dead.  That's@    because Gartner has been telling their customers VMS will dieD    within 5 years for the last 14 years.  Secretly Gartner's interalB    critial systems all run VMS because they can't afford down time    or security headaches.d  I > 2) What kind of systems are you people running on your VMS on?  All theeH > pictures I see are of cabinet size machines with magnetic tapes on allI > of them in like 70's style casing.  I doubt you ppl still use those!  InF > mean processors speeds, RAM, disk space etc.  Are they blade servers > etc?  E    Yep.  Cabinet size 11/780s.  Also desktop Alphas.  Anything VAX orcD    Alpha in all sizes and speeds.  Well, OK, their were a few AlphasD    and a few VAXen specifically made not to be able to boot VMS, butA    most of those got thrown away and the rest got fixed for free.D  F > 3)  The damn thing has everything ported to it right?  I mean ORACLEB > runs on it?  You got a graphical user interface etc.  So tell meI > honestly why does it fall short of other systems.  Why wouldn't you use"B > VMS to say run a website or run a mail server, print server etc.      That is what we do with it.  C > 4)  What about programming?  I just compiled some C code and some J > FORTRAN 90 stuff and it seemed to work fine for me.  Why aren't the sameH > applications available for VMS that are written in those languages forC > other OS.  C is standard.  Java is standard(yea, yea, I read someyH > threads where ppl are complaining that the java compiler is written in? > java and too slow but, what about now?  Its still like that?)m  D    Actually the compilers are too easy to use.  They keep telling usD    just what we did wrong.  There saving us so much time working outD    syntax errors we've had to fund a second pool table to keep busy.  G > 5)  I only hear talk of memory swapping and tight security etc.  What C > good is any of this stuff to anyone?  I mean does the health care D > industry, auto industry, military, educational institutions, dairyJ > industry, or any other businesses rely on VMS?  What can it be best usedF > for.  Like Bio-technology since its super fast on 64-bit processors?  F    Everybody uses VMS, but nobody talks about it.  Just ask Microsoft,    or see their recent ads..  J >   I just have a user account on some guy's machine but man this thing isH > interesting to me.  I mean I've worked on *nix stuff and also PC stuffJ > but I never knew other kinds of stuff was still around.  I'm really intoH > this thing.  I can't do a lick of advanced stuff on it.  I do edit/tpuG > and junk and just send mail etc.  I just want to get a feel for DCL.  5 > Can any of you recommend some cool projects for me.e  "    Read the help.  As in "$ help".  F > I'm a computer engineering student and I was just messing around andJ > this guy offered me an account to learn the OS.  I really want to dig inI > but I have no clue what to do on there.  I don't mean to sound ignorantR; > nor do I want to sound like a troll but I'm just curious.A  E    Go to the web site and get the FAQ.  http://www.openvms.compaq.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:16:02 -0400.) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>l( Subject: Re: So help me understand herE.: Message-ID: <%jbi9.7170$_S6.1249249@news20.bellglobal.com>  K If you only read the computer industry rags (those newspapers that everyonemL has delivered to their desks) you'd swear that the only operating systems inK the world were Windows and many flavors of UNIX including AIX, Solaris, andi LINUX.  G The truth of the matter is that there are many more out there including K OpenVMS. In the case of OpenVMS, I am personally aware of installations at:l  - 1. Canadian nuclear power generating stationsd2 2. Canadian government controlled lottery networks 3. medical insurance companiesH 4. Canadian hospitals (where OpenVMS is used with another product called MAGIC)0 5. Canadian telecommunications (phone) companies  9 Or to be more general, systems that need to be up 24x365.r  J p.s. About a year ago, I heard from a Compaq field service tech that IntelF was still running OpenVMS on VAX's (VAX-11/780 I think) to manufactureI Pentiums. I guess even Intel can't chance "the blue screen of death" when ) cooking up a batch of  P4 processors. :-)   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,K Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/l6 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/vms_vs_unix.html   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 13:23:26 -0700* From: ken.randell@fortel.com (Ken Randell)1 Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3: QIO IO$_ACPCONTROL bugletc= Message-ID: <8debc3ff.0209181223.3618812f@posting.google.com>a  E I haven't run into that one ... but if you look at the TCP/IP 5.3 ECOn- that popped up today at (watch for wrapping):n  ` http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/vms/dec-vaxvms-tcpip_eco-v0503-181-4.README  ) there's hosts of problems that are fixed.n  @ Okay, some problems are security-related, but I thought this wasE supposedly a new code base, etc., and perhaps 'free' from lots of thes 5.1 issues.y  1 Here's one of the better ones listed in this ECO:n   Problem:  < FTP client may also provide no indication to the user that a> transfer aborted prematurely due to a network problem, leading2 user to think a truncated transfer was successful.  
 Deliverables:/  0 TCPIP$FTP_CLIENT.EXE                    V5.3-18A0 TCPIP$FTP_CHILD.EXE                     V5.3-18A  
 Reference:  
 PTR 30-10-124m  > It seems to defy reasoning that this many errors (particularly? bugchecks) can get past internal testing before a release.  The9C release notes also talk about backports from 5.4, which I assume is-B being worked on now.  This looks more and more like UCX 4.x, where( bugs in 4.1 had to be fixed in 4.2, etc.  @ So, while 5.3 may be 'current', it sure ain't gonna get deployed around here yet.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:35:17 -0400.- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>.1 Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3: QIO IO$_ACPCONTROL buglet + Message-ID: <3D88F18A.9AE4E06@videotron.ca>a   Ken Randell wrote: > G > I haven't run into that one ... but if you look at the TCP/IP 5.3 ECOp/ > that popped up today at (watch for wrapping):u > b > http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/vms/dec-vaxvms-tcpip_eco-v0503-181-4.README > + > there's hosts of problems that are fixed.m  K OUCH !  and my SLIP crashing the VAX problem isn't even listed in that long. list !  H (Interesting that they created the "tcp\ip" directory for 5.3 instead ofH putting it in the expected "tcpip" directory where other patches reside.    H I suspect that my problem of QIO failing because you supply a descriptor5 pointing to a constant string is embedded deep down. l  N Only the TCPIP software/driver under QIO would know how to interpret the valueK provided as P2 (pointer to a descriptor structure containing a pointer to anN string). And since the descriptor structure itsefl was read write, it would beJ only when it checked the access of the string that it woudl have found theH access violation because it tried to access it read/write even though itD should have known that only read access is needed for that function.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:29:43 GMTn> From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <Firstname.Lastname@youknow.where>1 Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3: QIO IO$_ACPCONTROL buglet:- Message-ID: <3D88C371.1D1DCC47@youknow.where>-   JF Mezei wrote:a >  > Ken Randell wrote: > >rI > > I haven't run into that one ... but if you look at the TCP/IP 5.3 ECOi1 > > that popped up today at (watch for wrapping):M > >ed > > http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/vms/dec-vaxvms-tcpip_eco-v0503-181-4.README > > - > > there's hosts of problems that are fixed.r > M > OUCH !  and my SLIP crashing the VAX problem isn't even listed in that longe > list ! > J > (Interesting that they created the "tcp\ip" directory for 5.3 instead ofJ > putting it in the expected "tcpip" directory where other patches reside. > J > I suspect that my problem of QIO failing because you supply a descriptor6 > pointing to a constant string is embedded deep down. > P > Only the TCPIP software/driver under QIO would know how to interpret the valueM > provided as P2 (pointer to a descriptor structure containing a pointer to aoP > string). And since the descriptor structure itsefl was read write, it would beL > only when it checked the access of the string that it woudl have found theJ > access violation because it tried to access it read/write even though itF > should have known that only read access is needed for that function.     Nope.   D The reason is that the ACPCONTROL $QIO FDT routine uses the standard? ACP$MODIFY routine to package the IRP with P1-P5 similar to theoE IO$_MODIFY parameter set.  In this case P2 would be the address of ann+ INPUT file name, but the ACP requires that:t  7 	 "... all areas of memory specified by the descriptorsn/ 	 must be capable of being read or written to."o  # Now you know the rest of the story.o   -JGl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:28:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t1 Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3: QIO IO$_ACPCONTROL bugletg, Message-ID: <3D891A39.B8AEECF2@videotron.ca>   "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:F > The reason is that the ACPCONTROL $QIO FDT routine uses the standardA > ACP$MODIFY routine to package the IRP with P1-P5 similar to theeG > IO$_MODIFY parameter set.  In this case P2 would be the address of an - > INPUT file name, but the ACP requires that:a > @ >          "... all areas of memory specified by the descriptors8 >          must be capable of being read or written to."    M In this case, shouldn't the documentation specify that the P2 parameter is to.$ be read/write instead of read only ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:20:31 GMTl0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>3 Subject: Re: TCPIP: BIND server forwarders questionp2 Message-ID: <zD9i9.52$1q5.965742@news.cpqcorp.net>   A quick reply...   >1H > So, when a client on my lan asks my VAX to resolve a name which my VAX doesn'tmG > have in its database or cache, the VAX asks a host on the forwarder'sc list.a	 > Right ?y >)  K Yes.  Though the other piece of information you need to know is that if theaJ forwarder does not have the answer cached, then your VAX will send a queryJ to the remote servers.  In this way, the forwarder builds up the cache, so> subsequent hits on the forwarder will be resolved immediately.  < > Does it always ask the first host on the list of servers ?  K I haven't played with this.  It could be either round-robin or first in theoG list.  I would presume first in the list so that it can build up a fullt- cache.  A trace or log data should help here.   B > How long does it wait before deciding that the dns server is not
 respondingC > and trying the next one ? (is that a parameter that can be set ?)   I Again, no direct experience with this.  In "DNS & BIND", 3rd Ed, Albitz &.I Liu, Table 6-1 shows how the resolver behaves for various numbers of namegD servers.  I am guessing that queries sent to forwarders are a little
 different.  L > (I am thinking in terms of: if my ISP is having problems, is there much of ahI > point of having 4 failed DNS servers in the list before the BIND server < > decides to go to the ROOT.HINTS mechanism to resilve it ?)  K A quick test would be to misconfigure your forwarders to be unresponsive IP K addresses (starting with one forwarder, then add two forwarders and so on), 3 and see how long it takes to have a query resolved.r   Matt.    --= -------------------------------------------------------------c OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyr Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA,= -------------------------------------------------------------h    : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D8806AC.FC715514@videotron.ca...I > I have my lan's BIND server set to be forwarder to my ISP's various DNSo > servers ( 4 of them).  >o >p >tH > So, when a client on my lan asks my VAX to resolve a name which my VAX doesn't G > have in its database or cache, the VAX asks a host on the forwarder's  list.o	 > Right ?y >s< > Does it always ask the first host on the list of servers ?B > How long does it wait before deciding that the dns server is not
 respondingC > and trying the next one ? (is that a parameter that can be set ?)6 >aD > If I only had a single DNS on the forwarders list and that DNS wasJ > unresponsive, would the server then use the ROOT.HINTS file and then try to > resolve the request itself ? > L > (I am thinking in terms of: if my ISP is having problems, is there much of a.I > point of having 4 failed DNS servers in the list before the BIND serverp< > decides to go to the ROOT.HINTS mechanism to resilve it ?)   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2002 19:21:09 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: validate email address with LDAP ?%* Message-ID: <amajn5$4o7$2@web1.cup.hp.com>  j In article <1c0e37b1.0209180652.e6b40ad@posting.google.com>, pierre.bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre) writes:  1 :...is there any LDAP client available on VMS...?e    K   Install the "OpenVMS Enterprise Directory for eBusiness V5.0" package (or%K   later), and operate with OpenVMS V7.3 or later, V7.3-1 or later prefered.E  H   I do not know of a DCL nor existing OpenVMS MAIL interface into LDAP.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:13:54 GMTe* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>% Subject: Re: VMS Que printing Problemi5 Message-ID: <180920021406300653%paul.anderson@hp.com>%  B In article <ed508915.0209180649.22e1a503@posting.google.com>, Mike Skelley <Mike@bccls.org> wrote:E  F > Every time I print, to our VMS Que Printer HPLaser 5N, I get a blank/ > page with an E in the upper left hand corner.   B Please provide more details, like what kind of queue (DCPS, LPR orA Telnet for example).  You also want to check the language-sensing D setting on the printer to see if it is properly set to PostScript or PCL or (ideally) Automatic.0   Paul   -- %  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS EngineeringO   Hewlett-Packard CompanyL   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 14:26:13 -07004 From: bbaxter@denvernewspaperagency.com (Bob Baxter)% Subject: Re: VMS Que printing Problem = Message-ID: <477fb6c5.0209181326.10e56398@posting.google.com>u  h Mike@bccls.org (Mike Skelley) wrote in message news:<ed508915.0209180649.22e1a503@posting.google.com>...F > Every time I print, to our VMS Que Printer HPLaser 5N, I get a blankG > page with an E in the upper left hand corner. This is causing alot ofn > paper to be wasted.e! > Any help would be apprieciated.n  F You didn't provide many details about your configuration, so all I can+ do is give you a WAG about what to look at.u  E If it were my system (and I have had similar problems in the past), I D would check for bad PCL escape sequences being sent to the printer. A Very typically, this would be in the /setup= for the form you are  using:   sho queu /form xxxxxx /fulln  < The /setup entry will be in the /library associated with the applicable queue.    sho queue zzzzzz /full  D Look for the library and source in sys$library (your source might be elsewhere).r  < Also keep in mind that escape characters are non displayable2 characters if you try to look at the code on-line.  
 Good Luck.   Bobg Denver Newspaper Agencyo   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2002 16:51:58 -07000 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran). Subject: Re: VMS question - a lil offtopic? ;)= Message-ID: <948f0720.0209181551.36260c43@posting.google.com>   t "Fred N. van Kempen" <Fred.van.Kempen@microwalt.nl> wrote in message news:<Bg#PsalXCHA.2912@mwsrv04.microwalt.nl>...	 > Hi all,. > C > Here's a question that might be slightly offtopic.  If so, please0
 > forgive.  @ Since this isn't comp.lang.c, I'm sure you'll be forgiven, but aE better NG would be comp.os.vms, and I'm taking the liberty of posting  this reply there too.   %J > I am left with the situation where I have a working VAX (4000-700A) with > TK70J > and other assorted goodies.  I also have (yes !) a TK50 set with OpenVMS > 6.0e > for the VAX. > D > It took me awhile (...) but after finding out that one boots these > things off tape H > 2 (the Standalone Backup), VMS kindly tells me to go do something else > withE > my time, as it doesn't know the processor (KA692) it is running on.[ >  > So... I need a newer VMS.  > 2 > I also have OpenVMS VAX version 7.1.  Neat, huh? > . > The nasty thing is: it's on CDROM, not tape.  E You could plug in an external SCSI CD drive if you have one. A search F on comp.os.vms or comp.sys.dec will find many discussions on what willD work. The main requirement is that it can be set to 512 bytes rather than 2048 which peecees use.  B But it will be better to work from the CD than tape, as the CD has/ lots of other software on it (e,g, UCX), but...e  tF > So.. the real question is... can anyone tell me how to either make a
 > TK50 kitD > off the V7.1 CDROM, or can anyone provide me with pointers to take
 > (-image)J > distributions of a VMS/VAX, newer than V6.0, which I can grab and put on > ae > set of tapes?.  ? AFAIK all you need to do is to make ANSI tapes containing filesaF VMS071.A, .B, and .C from CD directory [000000] on the first tape. The2 second tape contains Standalone Backup (written byC SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT.COM) plus VMS071.D, .E, and .F, DECW071.C, .D,QE .E, and .F, DEC-VAXVMS-DECNET_PHASE_IV-V0701--1.PCSI, VMS071_SPD.BCK,O> AMDS071.A, .B, MPH_VMS016.A, and ALPHCOMPAT_062.A from variousC directories on the CD (I hope I dodn't miss anything). You probablysC don't need to do the STABACKIT.COM step, as you can boot Standalone0$ Backup from your existing V6.0 tape.  0 > or can anyone provide me with pointers to take
 > (-image)J > distributions of a VMS/VAX, newer than V6.0, which I can grab and put on > au > set of tapes?a  @ If no one else can help (maybe nearer than the other side of theE English Channel, or with a later version of VMS), I can copy the V7.1hF savesets onto TK50s for you. I won't even ask for the tapes back, as I
 have so many!n  E BTW, I assume you have a licence for all this. If not and this is fory& home use, see http://www.montagar.com/   Christ   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:53:28 -0400s, From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> Subject: XP1000 Blow-Out !B Message-ID: <V_8i9.90563$AY5.37404142@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>   XP1000 667Mhz 4MB Cachel 512MBk 9GB UW SCSI Disk On Board Sound On Board 10/100 Ethernet VX1 32MB Graphicsl CDROMt Floppy   $2650 COMP.OS.VMS specialt Only advertised here   sales@hpaq.net Tel: 912 447 6622n Toll Free: 877 636 4332G   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.517 ************************