1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 19 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 518       Contents: Re: "inview" Article# Re: ACID DS9400 DLT drive and VMS ? ) Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal . Re: Another Announcment - NEW OpenVMS Roadshow4 Another Announcment - SUN will sell PCs ?? <-- Linux; Re: Bad performance with Enterasys Smarttrunk and DECnet IV ; Re: Bad performance with Enterasys Smarttrunk and DECnet IV  Re: BASIC (bug?) Re: BASIC (bug?) Re: BASIC (bug?) Re: BASIC (bug?) Re: BASIC (bug?) Re: BASIC (bug?)& Compaq Souvenirs - Where are HP ones ?6 Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)6 Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)6 Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)6 Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)6 Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)6 Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be), Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters (was Re: ORD), Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters (was Re: ORD) Re: Found  virus Re: Found  virus RE: Found  virusP Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS  Advanced TP Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced TeP Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced TeP Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te
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 RE: Galaxy, Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ? how do you start X Re: how do you start X" Re: how external input is received" Re: how external input is received Re: HP website integration Re: HP website integration7 Re: Humm, I am getting confused between a PDP and a Vax  Re: LAT connection= Re: Micro$oft exec says all os's stink ... forgets about VMS!  Mozilla and background colours Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.) Re: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS. ) Re: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS. ) Re: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS.  OpenVMS SIG  Re: or just a programmer? , Oracle RDB 8.0 = Oracle RDB for Itanium ????0 Re: Oracle RDB 8.0 = Oracle RDB for Itanium ???? PIPE BACKUP/LIST Re: PIPE BACKUP/LIST Re: PIPE BACKUP/LIST Re: PIPE BACKUP/LIST Re: PIPE BACKUP/LISTP re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to         OpenVMSH Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMS& Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backups& Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backups& Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backupsO Re: Recommendations for Win2K Pro NFS client for use with TCPIP V5.1 NFS server   Re[2]: X.25 programming question% Re: Saveset distribution over the web # SIMH 2.9-11: bug in tape simulation ' Re: SIMH 2.9-11: bug in tape simulation  Re: SMTP Authentication  Re: The Gauntlet is Cast! $ Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?$ Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95? Wildcard for Delete /entry Re: Wildcard for Delete /entry X.25 programming question  Re: X.25 programming question   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2002 13:20:05 GMT5 From: koehler@bessta.gsfc.nasa.aspm.gov (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: "inview" Article / Message-ID: <amciu5$8r0$3@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov>    > ( >This doesn't actually apply to most big3 >corporations where someone will eventually account 2 >for your time Futzing and bang the costs into the+ >Linux TCO and people like to be supported.   C    Ah, Andrew, someone at Sun seems to think you've been stirring a (    tempest in your own chocolate teapot.  E    Seems they've done gone and announced a major commitment to Linux.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:14:46 -0500 2 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>, Subject: Re: ACID DS9400 DLT drive and VMS ?/ Message-ID: <uok1g7fhh24a32@corp.supernews.com>   D Yes, I have one and have used it with several machines, including anJ AlphaServer 1000a, a VAXStation 4000-60, and a MicroVAX 3100 10e. It works: very well. I got it earlier this year on eBay for $157.50.  I My only comment about using it with workstations is that tapes are rather H expensive to use in backing up the small (1-9 GB) drives used with theseJ machines (I don't like to append a lot of backups to one tape because that- is like putting all your eggs in one basket).   K The speed and reliabaility of the drive is very nice. My drive is a "plain" ) one, without the LCD display ADIC offers.    Stuart Johnson ssj152 AT charter DOT net     3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3D8744DC.7BC07180@aaa.com...  > Hi. - > Anyone using a "DS9400" DLT drive from ADIC  > on there VMS systems ? > + > I would like to use this drive on a DS20e " > with a dedicated SCIS interface. > 9 > The alternative is to buy a (used) TZ89 from a brooker.  >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:21:28 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> 2 Subject: Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal> Message-ID: <sbki9.291266$Rx4.3889879@twister.tampabay.rr.com>  L I heard the car guys on NPR say that you could send in for a tape transcriptI of their program.  If you wanted a printed transcript, you should send in < for the tape, listen to the tape and write it all down.  :-)  5 "Alan Frisbie" <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote in message ' news:3D88D95B.1325A397@NelsonUSA.com...  >>* > How do I subscribe to the print edition? >  > Alan >   ( Thanks Sue,  this is great.  Keep it up.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:25:52 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 7 Subject: Re: Another Announcment - NEW OpenVMS Roadshow ' Message-ID: <3D897C00.8E33BDC2@Free.fr>    Europe?    D.   Sue Skonetski wrote: >  ../.. ) >  Columbia, SC - Thursday, September 26  > % >  Memphis, TN - Thursday, October 3  > ' >  McAllen, TX - Wednesday, October 16  > % >  Phoenix, AZ - Tuesday, October 22  > + >  Los Angeles, CA - Wednesday, October 30  > - >  New York City, NY - Thursday, November 21    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:22:03 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>= Subject: Another Announcment - SUN will sell PCs ?? <-- Linux @ Message-ID: <20020919112203.80499.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>   Click at  ) http://news.com.com/2100-1001-958487.html    Regards    FC     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!  http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:35:09 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>D Subject: Re: Bad performance with Enterasys Smarttrunk and DECnet IV6 Message-ID: <200209190635.IAA08601@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Jacek Tobiasz wrotes:    >>> H There are some limitation regarding which ports one may use for trunking& on VH AFAIR. Please verify in manuals. <<<   G Thank's for your answer. I hope we have the manuals and the restriction F are descripted on it. Do you know, where I can found the Release Notes5 of the 2.5.0.8 Firmware. AFAIK, we do have the 2.5.0. D The Smarttrunk problem is not  only a VH problem, we did it see alsoB between two SSR8600 connected via two Gigabit Ethernet. We did see@ bad performance as long as there was a defined trunk, still withC one  port connected. The solution was, to forget the trunk and make C a one line connection between the two SSR8600. But this is not what  we want.   Best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:33:22 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)D Subject: Re: Bad performance with Enterasys Smarttrunk and DECnet IV5 Message-ID: <mZfi9.176814$1S3.4884121@news.chello.at>   _ In article <200209190635.IAA08601@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:  >Jacek Tobiasz wrotes:J >>There are some limitation regarding which ports one may use for trunking( >>on VH AFAIR. Please verify in manuals. > H >Thank's for your answer. I hope we have the manuals and the restrictionG >are descripted on it. Do you know, where I can found the Release Notes 6 >of the 2.5.0.8 Firmware. AFAIK, we do have the 2.5.0.  H http://www.enterasys.com/support/relnotes/VH-2402S-2050008-patch-rel.pdf  D >The Smarttrunk problem is not only a VH problem, we did it see alsoC >between two SSR8600 connected via two Gigabit Ethernet. We did see A >bad performance as long as there was a defined trunk, still with D >one  port connected. The solution was, to forget the trunk and makeD >a one line connection between the two SSR8600. But this is not what	 >we want.   I I also heard of such problems. This is mostly why we've still not started  with trunking.L I also heard of Smarttrunk being a old/proprietary Cabletron (aka Enterasys)N protocol which is now mostly replaced by a standard. Don't know the details...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:39:14 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> Subject: Re: BASIC (bug?) 0 Message-ID: <6ski9.10$fc6.18192@news.uswest.net>  E If a compiler doesn't warn about duplicate declarations of variables, L modules, etc., that is a major, major bug!!!  These warnings can be criticalK to tracking down problems in your code.  If you need to nest include files, F you need to put conditional compilation statements at the start of theK include file to check to see if this file has already been included - don't E put them in the "calling" file, because you'll forget one eventually.   
 Mike Ober.  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message / news:1020918183351.1922A-100000@Ives.egh.com... & > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, JF Mezei wrote: >  > > Joe wrote:K > > > "word" and compiling BASIC/WORD will generate no complaints. When the K > > > compiler parses the 2nd declaration of "false" it enters a state that = > > > it's already seen but just doesn't cause any "conflict"  > > I > > Nevertheless, it should still warn about multiple declarations of the  same( > > variable even if they are identical. >  > No, it shouldn't!  > K > If you are using %include files to define constants, function prototypes, E > commons, etc., then you want to nest them.  Multiple %include files D > may very well include a common set of lower-level files that, e.g.H > define fundamental record types used by your application.  Since theseI > lower level files may be included more than once in a given module, you F > don't want their identical declarations to cause compilation errors. > I > For example, you prototype function AAAA in AAAA_PROTO.INC and function G > BBBB in BBBB_PROTO.INC.  Both AAAA and BBBB have a record CCCC as one F > of their arguments, so both *_PROTO.INC files include CCCC_TYPE.INC,I > which defines the record.  A CCCC record includes an integer field that E > can contain one of a small number of constant values, so you define : > constants for those values in CCCC_TYPE.INC (or maybe in CCCC_CONSTANTS.INC, H > which is %include'd from CCCC_TYPE.INC.)  Any program which calls bothK > AAAA and BBBB will end up including the constant definitions twice, which 1 > would cause major problems under your proposal.  > K > P.S.  The multiple definitions in the original example were of CONSTANTS,  > not VARIABLES. >  > --
 > John Santos  > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2002 07:48:28 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)  Subject: Re: BASIC (bug?) - Message-ID: <+GWVJp351esM@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>   1 In article <6ski9.10$fc6.18192@news.uswest.net>,  ;    "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> writes:   G > If a compiler doesn't warn about duplicate declarations of variables, N > modules, etc., that is a major, major bug!!!  These warnings can be criticalM > to tracking down problems in your code.  If you need to nest include files, H > you need to put conditional compilation statements at the start of theM > include file to check to see if this file has already been included - don't G > put them in the "calling" file, because you'll forget one eventually.  > J     The compiler does warn of duplicate definitions of variables, modules,K etc. It also warns if a constant is declared with two different values. The I only case it's silent on ( and the one that started this thread ) is when I a constant is declared to be exactly the same value in two or more places  in the source code.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2002 07:52:04 -0700" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) Subject: Re: BASIC (bug?) = Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0209190652.778b5377@posting.google.com>   ] John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1020918183351.1922A-100000@Ives.egh.com>... & > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, JF Mezei wrote: >  > > Joe wrote:K > > > "word" and compiling BASIC/WORD will generate no complaints. When the K > > > compiler parses the 2nd declaration of "false" it enters a state that = > > > it's already seen but just doesn't cause any "conflict"  > > N > > Nevertheless, it should still warn about multiple declarations of the same( > > variable even if they are identical. >  > No, it shouldn't!  > K > If you are using %include files to define constants, function prototypes, E > commons, etc., then you want to nest them.  Multiple %include files D > may very well include a common set of lower-level files that, e.g.H > define fundamental record types used by your application.  Since theseI > lower level files may be included more than once in a given module, you F > don't want their identical declarations to cause compilation errors. > I > For example, you prototype function AAAA in AAAA_PROTO.INC and function G > BBBB in BBBB_PROTO.INC.  Both AAAA and BBBB have a record CCCC as one F > of their arguments, so both *_PROTO.INC files include CCCC_TYPE.INC,I > which defines the record.  A CCCC record includes an integer field that E > can contain one of a small number of constant values, so you define N > constants for those values in CCCC_TYPE.INC (or maybe in CCCC_CONSTANTS.INC,H > which is %include'd from CCCC_TYPE.INC.)  Any program which calls bothK > AAAA and BBBB will end up including the constant definitions twice, which 1 > would cause major problems under your proposal.  > K > P.S.  The multiple definitions in the original example were of CONSTANTS,  > not VARIABLES.    B I believe that the correct way to prevent multiple "inclusions" in1 BASIC is via compiler directives. Specifically...    %if %declared (%foo) = -1  %then       ...   %end %if  D Once a function is prototyped you can't you can't prototype the same thing over again.   E I suppose it is "possible" to argue that there was no bug illustrated @ by the original code snippet by waving your hands and making andE references to finite state machines and such. I will still think that D the compiler should "say something" in response to the original code snippet.  @ Someone wants to argue that nothing has been redefined and henceE there's no error. Fine. Why does the C compiler have something to say 8 about about which the BASIC compiler had nothing to say?  	 $ cc/vers + Compaq C V6.2-003 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-1H2  $ ty test.c  void main(void) {       const int i = 0;     const int i = 0;    } 	 $ cc test       const int i = 0;  .............^B %CC-E-NOLINKAGE, In this declaration, "i" has no linkage and has aA prior declaration in this scope at line number 3 in file __DKB50. / at line number 4 in file __DKB500:[FOO]TEST.C;1     ? O.K. I suppose the standard specifically states "thou shall not C reassign a constant." I would also _hazard_ a guess that there's no B such thing as an ASNI BASIC standard. All of which puts us back to square one.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:08:22 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: BASIC (bug?) , Message-ID: <amcp85$12n4@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  / "Joe" <cstranslations@msn.com> wrote in message 7 news:d56d1c2d.0209190652.778b5377@posting.google.com...   A > O.K. I suppose the standard specifically states "thou shall not E > reassign a constant." I would also _hazard_ a guess that there's no ' > such thing as an ASNI BASIC standard.   O I think I've said this before but any "I don't think there's a standard for it" 5 remark is almost always wrong. As Hamlet almost said:   8 "There are standards for more things in heaven and earth' Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."   + ANSI Standard for Full BASIC (X3.113-1987).    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:38:33 GMT $ From: Karl Puder <karl.puder@hp.com> Subject: Re: BASIC (bug?) & Message-ID: <3D89EDB1.3A19E408@hp.com>  
 Greetings:  O The explanation included below is generally correct. I would just like to point O out that this is, in fact, a feature, not a bug. (-: What else would you expect P from an engineer supporting this product? :-) The only thing I want to add is toC point out the kind of distinction that the compiler is making here.   K When a statement defines a constant, it is telling the compiler "When I say J 'false', I really mean '0'". Like #define in C. When a statement defines aN variable (or a routine or ...), it is telling the compiler "Write some recordsO in the object file to allocate storage at image activation, and tell the linker P to connect all other uses of this name to whatever address that is going to land on".  P Because a repetition of the former is not inconsistent, it is convenient for theM user if the compiler is silent. A repetition of the latter, however, produces O multiple run-time addresses with the same name, so even if the compiler were to ' let it pass, the linker would complain.        :Karl Puder,6     Alpha BASIC support engineer (among other duties).   John Santos wrote:  & > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, JF Mezei wrote: >  > > Joe wrote:K > > > "word" and compiling BASIC/WORD will generate no complaints. When the K > > > compiler parses the 2nd declaration of "false" it enters a state that = > > > it's already seen but just doesn't cause any "conflict"  > > N > > Nevertheless, it should still warn about multiple declarations of the same( > > variable even if they are identical. >  > No, it shouldn't!  > K > If you are using %include files to define constants, function prototypes, E > commons, etc., then you want to nest them.  Multiple %include files D > may very well include a common set of lower-level files that, e.g.H > define fundamental record types used by your application.  Since theseI > lower level files may be included more than once in a given module, you F > don't want their identical declarations to cause compilation errors. > I > For example, you prototype function AAAA in AAAA_PROTO.INC and function G > BBBB in BBBB_PROTO.INC.  Both AAAA and BBBB have a record CCCC as one F > of their arguments, so both *_PROTO.INC files include CCCC_TYPE.INC,I > which defines the record.  A CCCC record includes an integer field that E > can contain one of a small number of constant values, so you define N > constants for those values in CCCC_TYPE.INC (or maybe in CCCC_CONSTANTS.INC,H > which is %include'd from CCCC_TYPE.INC.)  Any program which calls bothK > AAAA and BBBB will end up including the constant definitions twice, which 1 > would cause major problems under your proposal.  > K > P.S.  The multiple definitions in the original example were of CONSTANTS,  > not VARIABLES. >  > --
 > John Santos  > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539   --
 Karl Puder Hewlett-Packard Company  karl.puder@hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2002 09:15:42 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)  Subject: Re: BASIC (bug?) - Message-ID: <vjz81cCKkmxh@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>   > In article <d56d1c2d.0209190652.778b5377@posting.google.com>, (     cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) writes:   > G > I suppose it is "possible" to argue that there was no bug illustrated B > by the original code snippet by waving your hands and making andG > references to finite state machines and such. I will still think that F > the compiler should "say something" in response to the original code
 > snippet. > B > Someone wants to argue that nothing has been redefined and henceG > there's no error. Fine. Why does the C compiler have something to say : > about about which the BASIC compiler had nothing to say? >   D     I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was a philosophical argument orD I would have stayed out of it. I was merely trying to point out thatD there was no ambiguity in the original code snippet which could lead@ to improper program operation and so there didn't seem to be anyE particular need to note the redundant definition. When any example is @ used where there is an ambiguity ( redefining constant from wordL to long, declaring a different value for the constant or defining a variable8 more than once ) the compiler correctly notes the error.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:18:09 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>/ Subject: Compaq Souvenirs - Where are HP ones ? @ Message-ID: <20020919131809.25620.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>  ' This site still working. Where are the   HP souvenirs ?     http://www.storfront.com/ace/    REgards    FC     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!  http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:12:10 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>? Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be) . Message-ID: <3D89BF1A.992CD63C@mindspring.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   L > This applies also to the neighbouhood repeaters/concentrators which needed+ > "canadian tire" style portable generators      "Canadian tire"? Ehh?      Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:29:24 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ? Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be) H Message-ID: <8bli9.59493$8b1.25558@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D894262.1714B282@videotron.ca... > "Main, Kerry" wrote:H > > Yep, it has had some definite impact on disaster planning. Like "whoF cares if the systems are running if all the staff is at home trying to! generator power for their homes?"  > I > Bombardier (the flying skidoo factory near Dorval Airport) got a lot of  heatD > from its policies. Not only did it strike a deal with Hydro to get priorityI > power to continue its aircraft assembly lines, at a time when Hydro was  askingI > all other factories, banks and all of downtown to stay closed, but they  alsoL > threathened their employes that they woudl be fired if they didn't show up	 for work.  > K > Banks may have had their data centres powered by tyurbine generators, but  the K > ATMs relied on local power which was not there. The National bank brought  in6 > some "mobile branches" in the most hurt communities. > H > >> Interesting point of this storm is that those communities which had their  > power lines > ) > >underground were largely not impacted.  > H > There are not many in Qubec. Besides, in Montreal, at one point, they onlyI > had one main power line feeding the whole island and power shedding was G > required. (the next thing to have been cut would) have been the water  works).  > B > Downtown re-opened to businessafter a few days, but it had to be "aborted". IL > was at Place Ville Marie, running to get to the bank before it closed when the G > PA system in the complex came on to announce an emergency evacuation, F > requiring everyon to turn off all non-essential electric devices and evacuateL > the complex because power would be cut soon at the request of hydro qubecI > (the subway had already been closed and I had to run 10 blocks toget to  the K > complex...). This is stuff you normally see in sci-fi movies. Right after  the K > announcement, all escalators were turned off as was half the ligghting in  the  > shopping mall  below.  > E > This also had implications with the telco. The strategy for central  offices I > was that each could survive a certain amount of time on batteries, time  enough? > to bring a mobile generator to compensate. Worked well when a 
 neighbourhood K > lost power, but when in a widespread power failure, the telco didn't have K > sufficient number of mobile units to keep all its central offices powered  24 > hours a day. > L > This applies also to the neighbouhood repeaters/concentrators which neededH > "canadian tire" style portable generators to keep alive (and one human sipping = > coffee in a car next to it to ensure it didn't get stolen).  >  > K > These were situations where many had to forget about work and concentrate  onJ > survival. And when schools are closed, you also have to take care of the kids. L > Waiting in line for firewood (it was rationed), and then cooking meals etcJ > took a lot more time.  Heating water for wahsing/shower took a long time too.L > Waiting in line before the hardware stored opened in the morning tobe able toJ > get some cooking fuel to heat the water was also time consuming. You get intoH > a totally different way of life.  It felt very strange when power came backG > and you get such novelties such as computers, internet, television...  > G > Another aspect to consider: Not all generators are rated for constant  duty. K > When such a disater happens and you expect to need a generator for weeks,  you K > should either get a constant duty one (probably diesel or turbine) or get  two I > generators which you cycle to ensure none is used for long periods at a  time. L > Many farmers lost thousands of animals when their generators failed during the K > night and animals suffocated in the barns due to failed ventilation. (and L > stores quickly ran out of the spare parts because those generators started to$ > fail almost all at the same time).    H These are all the sorts of real-world things that many disaster planners. fail to consider when formulating their plans.  J Also remember that when testing your generators (large or small) that theyK should be run with full or nearly full load during the test for at least 20 H minutes. Apparently generators are prone to failure when you really needJ them to work due to carbon buildup from short run cycles as the combustionF process is not being as efficient as it is when under full load. Don'tF forget to top up the diesel tank after the test. Don't forget that theG continuous-duty output of generators is often only 60-80% of max. rated - output when you size them in the first place.   = See www.drj.com for more insight into these and other issues.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:39:54 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ? Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be) H Message-ID: <_kli9.59520$8b1.55402@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message ( news:3D89BF1A.992CD63C@mindspring.com... > JF Mezei wrote:  > G > > This applies also to the neighbouhood repeaters/concentrators which  needed- > > "canadian tire" style portable generators  >  >   "Canadian tire"? Ehh?     F An automotive chain that competes in some product categories with HomeJ Depot, et. al.   JF was refering to 'home' style portable generators, most! likely 5000w or less max. output.   F My local Home Depot is now taking orders for Generac LP or natural gasG powered generators, which are rated up to 200A continuous supply. These K sorts of generators come with automatic transfer switches and do a complete K 20-minute self-test run once per week. These units have big auto battieries C to provide cranking/ignition. Nice systems to backstop a large UPS.   H JF - correct me if I am wrong, but in the ice storm you were mentioning,L natural gas supplies were not affected, correct? It is my understanding thatH the turbines that pressurize the natural gas pipelines self-generate theL electricity they need to run the pumps. It was usually a case of the naturalL gas arriving at the end-user premises ok, but the furnaces/boilers not beingD able to ignite due to lack of electricity to fire the spark ignition systems.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2002 15:54:36 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)? Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be) 5 Message-ID: <amcrvr$4t9sh$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   H In article <_kli9.59520$8b1.55402@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > J > JF - correct me if I am wrong, but in the ice storm you were mentioning,N > natural gas supplies were not affected, correct? It is my understanding thatJ > the turbines that pressurize the natural gas pipelines self-generate theN > electricity they need to run the pumps. It was usually a case of the naturalN > gas arriving at the end-user premises ok, but the furnaces/boilers not beingF > able to ignite due to lack of electricity to fire the spark ignition
 > systems.  G Are you perhaps thinking of oil systems??  Every gas system I have seen I uses a pilot light to ignite the burner.  Electricity is needed primarily G to run the venting system to keep the CO2 from killing the occupants of F the house.  Granted, the system won't fire if the vents won't run, butF they take considerably less power to run (they are usually low voltageE run from a small transformer) than the aaverage spark ignitor.  Seems F like more of a poor planning problem than anything else.  I have neverH had the power go off for more than a couple hours in the winter (usuallyE the result of ice on the road and sliding cars rather than ice on the I wires) but within days of my converting to gas I had already investigated I what it would take to keep it running in just such an emergency.  The car G is more than capable of letting me fire it up every couple of hours for 6 several weeks, assuming I was stranded at home anyway.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:20:03 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ? Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be) H Message-ID: <TOmi9.59796$8b1.12887@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  9 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message / news:amcrvr$4t9sh$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de... J > In article <_kli9.59520$8b1.55402@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > > L > > JF - correct me if I am wrong, but in the ice storm you were mentioning,K > > natural gas supplies were not affected, correct? It is my understanding  thatL > > the turbines that pressurize the natural gas pipelines self-generate theH > > electricity they need to run the pumps. It was usually a case of the natural J > > gas arriving at the end-user premises ok, but the furnaces/boilers not being H > > able to ignite due to lack of electricity to fire the spark ignition > > systems. > I > Are you perhaps thinking of oil systems??  Every gas system I have seen K > uses a pilot light to ignite the burner.  Electricity is needed primarily I > to run the venting system to keep the CO2 from killing the occupants of H > the house.  Granted, the system won't fire if the vents won't run, butH > they take considerably less power to run (they are usually low voltageG > run from a small transformer) than the aaverage spark ignitor.  SeemsDH > like more of a poor planning problem than anything else.  I have neverJ > had the power go off for more than a couple hours in the winter (usuallyG > the result of ice on the road and sliding cars rather than ice on the K > wires) but within days of my converting to gas I had already investigated K > what it would take to keep it running in just such an emergency.  The car I > is more than capable of letting me fire it up every couple of hours fort8 > several weeks, assuming I was stranded at home anyway.    ' Ok, we're drifting way OT here, but....e  J most new high efficiency gas furnaces/boilers do not have a standing pilotJ light. Most devices with an A.F.U.E. rating of 90+ use spark ignition. AndF the furnaces/boilers with AFUE of 90+ typically use sealed combustion,I meaning that all the combustion air is drawn directly from outdoors via aaJ dedicated supply pipe into a sealed combustion chamber. There is typicallyG no damper on this intake, power or manual. No indoor air is used in thee combustion process.C  K Exhaust gas is directly vented via a second dedicated flue, often installed-J through the sidewall of the house, but sometimes up a chimney. The exhaustC gas flue may/may not be fan-assisted - depends on the design of the ( combustion unit and the pipe run length.  L Of course there is the issue of supplying 120/240v to power the fan motor toL circulate the heated air, or the circulator pump for hot water to radiators.  K Just don't forget to shut off the water main and drain all the supply linestF in your house before you abandon it for the shelter in the winter. YouE really don't want to replace all you piping, walls, carpets, hardwood E floors, etc.. due to burst pipes. :-)  Take a look at the Generac 5KwiJ natural gas stationary units if you want to do something at home. They areJ only about 2x the price of a heavy-duty portable unit of similar capacity,H but they offer many run-time advantages, including automatic startup and@ transfer - good for when you are trapped at work in an elevator.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:34:52 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>? Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be)0. Message-ID: <3D89FCAC.82695EE5@mindspring.com>   John Smith wrote:t  A > "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in messageI > >   "Canadian tire"? Ehh?  >EH > An automotive chain that competes in some product categories with HomeL > Depot, et. al.   JF was refering to 'home' style portable generators, most# > likely 5000w or less max. output.y   Thanks!b   Atlant   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:03:08 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 5 Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters (was Re: ORD) ; Message-ID: <01KMOMOJX4QA9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s  A > In the event of failure of the inter-site link(s) in a two-sitetB > disaster-tolerant cluster, computing continues at one of the twoC > sites.  You don't end up with "no cluster" -- you may have adjustt > quorum to continue, at worst.y  A I think that anyone who actually goes to the trouble of having a -D two-site disaster-tolerant cluster should make the small additional B effort to add an extra "quorum machine" (which can be arbitrarily E small/cheap, since it doesn't have to do anything) at a third site.  rI Then if ANY of the three sites goes down, you still have quorum, with no  D adjustment or other type of intervention.  (Of course, applications D should be cluster-aware, the outside world should connect through a  cluster alias etc.)A   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:59:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>d5 Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters (was Re: ORD) , Message-ID: <3D8A107D.8F68ADC0@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote: E > two-site disaster-tolerant cluster should make the small additional C > effort to add an extra "quorum machine" (which can be arbitrarilysE > small/cheap, since it doesn't have to do anything) at a third site.d  L This is not a small additional effort. One has to consider the fibre link(s)L needed to link the 3rd site to both primary and secondary. What happens whenQ that link goes down ? You risk having both machines freeze due to lack of quorum.   M The biggest problem in DT isn't when a node goes down, it is when a link goespJ down because each node then thinks it is the surviving node in the clusterB since it doesn't see the other nodes at the other end of the link.  @ Having multiple, redundant links is perhaps the better solution.  M I still think that one should be able to give votes based on ability to reacha a device on the ethernet.   L Think of a big node at A and a decserver at A. Think of a smaller node at B.  J The quorum should be such that A can survive with B but without decserver.* A can survive with decserver but without B+ B can survive without A but with decserver.T  I In other words, a node should be able to know if the remote node has gone-6 down, or if the link to the remote node has gone down.  I Consider the case where A's ethernet card blows. A may still think it haslJ quorum and still function happily, but A would be unreachable by users areN appear down and they would want to connect to B, even though A is still up andQ potentially still connected to some outside service via synchronous line etc etc.t  G While the larger shops may be able to afford both ethernet and FDDI (roSN whatebver other fibre technology exists to allow SCS over long distances), theJ smaller shops may be able to have only one link, and that would need to beN ethernet since it channels more than just SCS, it takes LAP, TCPIP DECNET etc.  L Consider that one of VMS's biggest advantages is its ability to cluster overN ethernet. I know True 64 was sipposed to gain this ability eventually, but notM sure about it anymore. VMS' biggest advantage is vastly underused because VMSuN isn't targetted at smaller shops for whom VMS would be the perfect DT solutionI with a simple/single ethernet link between 2 buildings. (that is all they  could afford).  J As a result, providing some intelligent means of handling ether failure vsY node failure would be great for VMS and bring give it and even bigger edge in clustering.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:31:25 -0400-' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>- Subject: Re: Found  virusm< Message-ID: <howard-4DCE17.01312519092002@enews.newsguy.com>  9 In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEECNFMAA.tom@kednos.com>,=%  "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:C  ; > Well, obviously this was familiar to you, not me.  I justp) > thought I would pass on the info, FWIW.=  : It's a Windows thing.  Sorry, I thought you realized that.   -- o4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:39:38 +01000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Found  virusc+ Message-ID: <amc2f9$r8e@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>u  b "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEECNFMAA.tom@kednos.com...  ; > Well, obviously this was familiar to you, not me.  I just ) > thought I would pass on the info, FWIW.s  ? No doubt some folks here have access to a corporate mail serverv= and could post a daily breakdown of viruses received. If folku: need to know though, they should be looking somewhere else IMHO..   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:07:31 -0700o# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: Found  virusi9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEDEFMAA.tom@kednos.com>e  < I know, but I,  like many others use Outlook to read mail as4 a pop client off a maill server, in my case tcpip5.1   >-----Original Message-----./ >From: Howard S Shubs [mailto:howard@shubs.net]R- >Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:31 PM- >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: Found virusa >t >e: >In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEECNFMAA.tom@kednos.com>,& > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote: >-< >> Well, obviously this was familiar to you, not me.  I just* >> thought I would pass on the info, FWIW. >l; >It's a Windows thing.  Sorry, I thought you realized that.  >h >-- 5 >Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship  >n >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).t@ >Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 9/4/2002 >  ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 9/4/2002r   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2002 07:16:59 -0700- From: jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell)eY Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS  Advanced Td= Message-ID: <9059bf6b.0209190616.1a954a3d@posting.google.com>o  B I was unaware that this OpenVMS specific event was being planned. A Like Marty, I have already signed up for the HP ETS and EncompasstD Pre-Symposium Seminars and my budget will not spread to include this; event (at its current price) as well.  While there are somerF interesting non-VMS related pieces that I want at HP ETS, my interests are mainly with OpenVMS.  	 Question:m  E Can HP ETS attendees, Encompass, and/or CAP/ASE get discounts to this A symposium for this year to encourage cross-over?  Maybe free this-2 year?  I could squeeze out air and hotel probably.    	 Comments:M  F I would recommend including non-VMS specific pieces nothing in depth. E Things like XML and such are standards that some OpenVMS systems wills8 use.  If we want OpenVMS to live, we need OpenVMS systemC administrators, architects, and developers to have the knowledge toc- play nice with newer protocols and standards.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:04:56 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)Y Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te 2 Message-ID: <I3ji9.14$uP5.334952@news.cpqcorp.net>  } In article <uoie6c5uhorb96@corp.supernews.com>, "Encompass - HP Enterprise Technology Symposium" <KilleenJ@toast.net> writes:o >rJ >2) Someone building a convention center and 4000 additional hotel room in >Nashua.  @ Perhaps it would be better to build it in Merrimack, or possiblyA one could use the facilities in Manchester or some other close-byt? city, as long as it was a short trip for the engineers.  But ase= things are, as long as the event is not too large, the reallya; big advantage of doing it at the Tara is that engineers can A walk over there (or drive*), give a session, and get back to workt@ quickly.  This allows developers to give sessions with a minimum? of disruption to the work effort.  Unless the convention centereC was built next to our work site (which I don't think anyone wants),o1 this kind of event is always going to be limited.   < As Mark Gorham's note said, this event and the HP-ETS events< are two very different kinds of events.  There is a need for< a broad-based event, because (I think) relatively few people> in the IT industry deal with only one kind of computer system.< Mixed-archetecture shops are the norm now, so I would expect< that people who want to go for training or updates will want? an event that covers multiple topics.  But there is also a need ; for some group of people to obtain concentrated training onT= certain specific topics, so there is also a need for an event'! that is smaller and more focused.   ; * Personally, I walk.  And yesterday I walked past the Taras> and it took me between 15 and 20 minutes to get to the closest: strip mall.  It's not far from there to other shopping and8 dining areas.  So it is possible to get places in Nashua: without a car.  Of course, I like to walk, and the weather; was nice yesterday: it may not be so nice in November.  And : I've met people who complain if they have to walk from one9 end of the hotel to the other in order to get fed.  [I'ves< also met people who talk about hiking and skiing and various: other sports on their vacations and days off, and who will; go to the hotel exercise club and work out for an hour; but'7 who will then complain if they have to walk a couple ofu7 blocks to the restaurant: so I suppose there is just noc> pleasing some people.]  I do suspect that, for this particular7 event, most people will want to eat in the hotel or useo< transportation of some kind to get to other restaurants. But there are alternatives.f   --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have aw5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:45:10 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>eY Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te:G Message-ID: <Wpli9.78089$U_.41688@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   K "Encompass - HP Enterprise Technology Symposium" <KilleenJ@toast.net> wroteJ4 in message news:uoie6c5uhorb96@corp.supernews.com...K > As I think Sue will confirm everyone believes the right choice for almostoL > all is both opportunities and what we need to do is figure out how to makeE > that possible for as many as feasible.  Solutions that will work...s >sH > 1) Building Star Trek transporters so the pre-conference can be run in, > Nashua and the Symposium run in major city >oK > 2) Someone building a convention center and 4000 additional hotel room in.	 > Nashua.  >s< > We suspect a 3rd alternative will need to be thought of...    G Streaming audio/video over the net???  Seems to me that they'd have the 0 bandwidth available at those locations to do it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:02:43 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>eY Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te D Message-ID: <nGli9.385$q41.273@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageA news:Wpli9.78089$U_.41688@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...B >aG > "Encompass - HP Enterprise Technology Symposium" <KilleenJ@toast.net>  wrote 6 > in message news:uoie6c5uhorb96@corp.supernews.com...F > > As I think Sue will confirm everyone believes the right choice for almostI > > all is both opportunities and what we need to do is figure out how too makeG > > that possible for as many as feasible.  Solutions that will work...  > >aJ > > 1) Building Star Trek transporters so the pre-conference can be run in. > > Nashua and the Symposium run in major city > >dJ > > 2) Someone building a convention center and 4000 additional hotel room in > > Nashua.T > > > > > We suspect a 3rd alternative will need to be thought of... >u >pI > Streaming audio/video over the net???  Seems to me that they'd have thei2 > bandwidth available at those locations to do it.    H Oops..forgot it was at a hotel...but there are solutions for that too if< there is radio line-of-sight back to the office backbone....  I 802.11a wireless with high-gain parabolic antennas will do up to about 20dI miles without violating FCC output rules. Should be able to get 20Mbps atlK that range, higher data rates are possible with shorter distances. One-time I cost would be about $1500-$2000 for each end of the link for all the bitsdA and pieces...assuming you don't have to pay union labor rates foriK installation too, and you can snake an ethernet cable to each radio withoutvB getting an electrician involved (ie. parking lot-to-parking lot or rooftop-to-rooftop).  G Proxim/Western-Multiplex Tsumani gear will go up to 100Mbps full-duplexiI line-of-sight. These radios are much more expensive ~$35k each. I lnow ofn= somebody who has run a string of these between islands in the3 Caribbean..work fine.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:44:01 +1000r@ From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: Galaxyu< Message-ID: <3d899ca4$0$30834$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>   Thanks for that.  - I understand that you need both galaxy os and-0 galaxy hardware. The white papers at those sites) are a few years old now, and none of themu' mention running both true 64 and vms inc
 the same box..  . Say I have 8 2100s/1000s running either True646 or OpenVMS, how can I consoladte them down to one box?  7 I was hoping that a galaxy class machine might do that.l  5 Im hoping to have a meeting with an HPQ guy next weekl   Antony    2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A10@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. Antony,   H Galaxy is software specific to OpenVMS. It allows the dynamic sharing ofG CPU and memory resources between different OS instances within the sameo: Alphaserver. Tru64 does not have this specific capability.  D However, you can run different instances in hard partition mode with? Tru64 or OpenVMS running in different partitions. Think of each( partition as a separate system.9  
 More info:6 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/availability/galaxy.html8 http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/gs_whitepapers.html   Regardsa  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicest Voice: 613-592-4660I Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----E From: Antony Wardle [mailto:antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au]i  Sent: September 18, 2002 4:58 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn Subject: Galaxye    % Anyone know where I can find out info)" on running OpenVMS and UNIX on the same galaxy?  & Anyone doing this and how is it going?     Server consolidation!t   antony   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:13:24 -0500t( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> Subject: Re: Galaxys2 Message-ID: <amcm24$h1p$1@newsreader.mailgate.org>   Hi Anthony,   3 On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:44:01 +1000, "Antony Wardle"r1 <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au> wrote:e   >Thanks for that.e >t. >I understand that you need both galaxy os and1 >galaxy hardware. The white papers at those sitese* >are a few years old now, and none of them( >mention running both true 64 and vms in >the same box. >r/ >Say I have 8 2100s/1000s running either True64l7 >or OpenVMS, how can I consoladte them down to one box?o  L The second white paper Kerry referenced below should give you the basic infoM for you to start.  There is further information in the Alphaserver GS-160/320l manual set.s  ! "Getting Started With Partitions"e; http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/download/gs_partition.pdfu  , Read that, it show cover the how to do it.    M The actual design of how to configure a gs-160 to meet your requirements willi+ probably take much more discussion with HP.    >- >e3 >"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in message M >news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A10@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net.e >..    [snip]   >More info:o7 >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/availability/galaxy.htmlm9 >http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/gs_whitepapers.html  >A     Hope that helps,   Dave Harrold    N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David_Harrold at aurora.orgI Sr. Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204aI                                            Pager:          (414) 941-4634uG Aurora Health Care                         Fax:          (414) 647-4999' 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215l   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2002 08:10:07 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)b Subject: Re: Galaxys= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0209190710.25a4a9bb@posting.google.com>p   "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<3d899ca4$0$30834$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>... > Thanks for that. > / > I understand that you need both galaxy os and-2 > galaxy hardware. The white papers at those sites+ > are a few years old now, and none of them ) > mention running both true 64 and vms inv > the same box.7 > 0 > Say I have 8 2100s/1000s running either True648 > or OpenVMS, how can I consoladte them down to one box? > 9 > I was hoping that a galaxy class machine might do that.e > 7 > Im hoping to have a meeting with an HPQ guy next week  >  > Antony >   B Well, you *COULD* buy a fully loaded GS320 and assign each QBB theA task of a former 2100 or 1000. It certainly would work. But it iss  probably also gigantic overkill!  	 Bart Zornn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:45:11 -0400r' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>m Subject: RE: GalaxyuT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D964E@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Antony,w  G <<< Say I have 8 2100s/1000s running either Tru64 or OpenVMS, how can I # consolidate them down to one box?<<o  D As previous comment stated, the GS80/160/320 can be partitioned intoE 2/4/8 partitions whereby each partition can be thought of as separaten systems.=20d  G However, this is not a fault tolerant system, but does provide featuresdE that make it higher availability and flexibility beyond than a singleeH server e.g. running different OS's and versions on different partitions,6 clustering within different partitions (same OS only).   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantr Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicesa Voice: 613-592-4660r Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----H From: Antony Wardle [mailto:antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au]=20  Sent: September 19, 2002 5:44 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com= Subject: Re: Galaxyi     Thanks for that.  - I understand that you need both galaxy os and 0 galaxy hardware. The white papers at those sites) are a few years old now, and none of them_' mention running both true 64 and vms ine
 the same box.m  . Say I have 8 2100s/1000s running either True646 or OpenVMS, how can I consoladte them down to one box?  7 I was hoping that a galaxy class machine might do that.   5 Im hoping to have a meeting with an HPQ guy next weekt   Antony    2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageH news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A10@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp. net. .e Antony,c  H Galaxy is software specific to OpenVMS. It allows the dynamic sharing ofG CPU and memory resources between different OS instances within the same : Alphaserver. Tru64 does not have this specific capability.  D However, you can run different instances in hard partition mode with? Tru64 or OpenVMS running in different partitions. Think of each< partition as a separate system.t  A More info: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/availability/galaxy.html 8 http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/gs_whitepapers.html   Regards.  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanta Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660? Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----E From: Antony Wardle [mailto:antony.wardle@nospammmmm.optusnet.com.au]   Sent: September 18, 2002 4:58 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi Subject: Galaxye    % Anyone know where I can find out info," on running OpenVMS and UNIX on the same galaxy?  & Anyone doing this and how is it going?     Server consolidation!e   antony   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2002 03:40:52 -0700( From: robert_kersey@bat.com (Rob Kersey)5 Subject: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?n= Message-ID: <f936a854.0209190240.5b4aafd2@posting.google.com>   2 Currently we use Volshad to mirror all our disks?   F We have been looking at our disk controllers and have realised that it? is possible to use them to mirror the disks instead of Volshad.b  C Our disks are stripped using disk controllers and were wondering ifrF using the controllers to mirror the disks will improve the performance( of our application running on the vaxes.  D The application performs a large amount of writes to the database so? therfore there must be a fair amount of mirroring being done bye: Volshad, which in turn would be an overhead on the system.  A Has anyone done any benchmarking comparing hardware mirroring and @ software mirroring? Can anyone point me in the dirrection of anyE figures comparing the too? Has anyone changed from software mirroringrE to hardware mirroring and noticed an increase/decrease in performance  (or vice versa)?   We use the following..   OpenVMS V7.1 2 Vax 4000/108 in a cluster  512Mb of RAM each  Oracle Rdb V7.0-5e Volshad Version  2 x Disk Controllers - HSD50-AXl   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2002 07:56:49 GMT7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton)i9 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?e! Message-ID: <5uUxvGy6F9rP@rabbit>b  O I've done some benchmarking, with different hardware (SW800 box, BA356 shelves,p HSJ80 controllers).i  G We found ~28% improvement (wall-clock elapsed time) using mirroring vs.lK shadowing in backing up a 6G file.  The details may be found using a googlehK search on this newsgroup with my name (don't remember what the subject linecK was), some months ago.  There were follow-ups where other folks contributed  information, as well.t  H We also found a similar improvement when we compared a two-member volume8 shadowing set with a single-member volume shadowing set.  L There are, of course, tradeoffs to mirroring vs. shadowing - I'm sure you've considered those, as well.  
 Good luck!  h In article <f936a854.0209190240.5b4aafd2@posting.google.com>, robert_kersey@bat.com (Rob Kersey) writes:4 > Currently we use Volshad to mirror all our disks?  > H > We have been looking at our disk controllers and have realised that itA > is possible to use them to mirror the disks instead of Volshad.a > E > Our disks are stripped using disk controllers and were wondering ifnH > using the controllers to mirror the disks will improve the performance* > of our application running on the vaxes. > F > The application performs a large amount of writes to the database soA > therfore there must be a fair amount of mirroring being done byn< > Volshad, which in turn would be an overhead on the system. > C > Has anyone done any benchmarking comparing hardware mirroring andyB > software mirroring? Can anyone point me in the dirrection of anyG > figures comparing the too? Has anyone changed from software mirroringlG > to hardware mirroring and noticed an increase/decrease in performancee > (or vice versa)? >  > We use the following.. >  > OpenVMS V7.1 > 2 Vax 4000/108 in a cluster  > 512Mb of RAM eachs > Oracle Rdb V7.0-5  > Volshad Version ! > 2 x Disk Controllers - HSD50-AX  -- w Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"a "Lose the MAPS"r   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2002 08:04:30 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)s9 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?t< Message-ID: <a98cd882.0209190704.fa8babe@posting.google.com>  m robert_kersey@bat.com (Rob Kersey) wrote in message news:<f936a854.0209190240.5b4aafd2@posting.google.com>...n4 > Currently we use Volshad to mirror all our disks?  > H > We have been looking at our disk controllers and have realised that itA > is possible to use them to mirror the disks instead of Volshad.u > E > Our disks are stripped using disk controllers and were wondering if H > using the controllers to mirror the disks will improve the performance* > of our application running on the vaxes. > F > The application performs a large amount of writes to the database soA > therfore there must be a fair amount of mirroring being done by < > Volshad, which in turn would be an overhead on the system. > C > Has anyone done any benchmarking comparing hardware mirroring andnB > software mirroring? Can anyone point me in the dirrection of anyG > figures comparing the too? Has anyone changed from software mirroringpG > to hardware mirroring and noticed an increase/decrease in performancel > (or vice versa)? >  > We use the following.. >  > OpenVMS V7.1 > 2 Vax 4000/108 in a clustero > 512Mb of RAM eachn > Oracle Rdb V7.0-5a > Volshad Version ! > 2 x Disk Controllers - HSD50-AXe    F A very important difference between Host Based Volume Shadowing (HBVS)B and controller based mirroring is the fact that HBVS can use disksD connected to different controllers whilst controller based mirroringA is restricted to disks connected to the same controller. In otheruD words, with HBVS you can eliminate one more single point of failure.  	 Bart Zornp   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:11:01 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t9 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ? ; Message-ID: <01KMOXUVOHEA9QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>6  H > A very important difference between Host Based Volume Shadowing (HBVS)D > and controller based mirroring is the fact that HBVS can use disksF > connected to different controllers whilst controller based mirroringC > is restricted to disks connected to the same controller. In other:F > words, with HBVS you can eliminate one more single point of failure.  G A (perhaps obvious) extension of this: not just different controllers, sB but different machines, perhaps kilometers apart, perhaps running E different versions of VMS, perhaps different architectures.  If your uC shadow-set members are connected to different machines, then it is  D relatively easy to keep them available all the time.  As far as the E other reason for shadowing/mirroring (protecting against data loss),  I again, having them in different buildings guards not only against a disk t4 crash, but also against destruction of the building.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:42:04 GMTo= From: peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)' Subject: how do you start Xr2 Message-ID: <3d89fceb.20798078@news.cable.ntl.com>  	 Hi folks,s  D I got my hobbiest license + cd of Open VMS for alpha. I went through? the install though I had a couple of problems with the licenseshF something to do with the checksum. Anyway I just carried on regardlessF and installed everything else - though it did take quite a long time -B about 3 hours - though I am a bit suspicious about the scsi disk! F Anyway the install seemed to finish so I rebooted then did boot dka600E and it arrived at a login prompt - I entered my password then it justoC gives a $ prompt I've fiddled around a bit but I'd also like to getiE Dec windows up - how do I do this - or have I done something wrong on.? the install - I've looked on google but not yet found anything!    Thanks for any help.  
 Kind regards,n       Peter Watkinsonv% peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.come remove <nospam> to reply :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:28:31 GMT<4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: how do you start Xs0 Message-ID: <3D8A0776.E4E34C14@blueyonder.co.uk>  9 "peter.watkinson1@ ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)" wrote:> >  > Hi folks,  > F > I got my hobbiest license + cd of Open VMS for alpha. I went throughA > the install though I had a couple of problems with the licenses<H > something to do with the checksum. Anyway I just carried on regardlessH > and installed everything else - though it did take quite a long time -C > about 3 hours - though I am a bit suspicious about the scsi disk!rH > Anyway the install seemed to finish so I rebooted then did boot dka600G > and it arrived at a login prompt - I entered my password then it justrE > gives a $ prompt I've fiddled around a bit but I'd also like to get G > Dec windows up - how do I do this - or have I done something wrong onnA > the install - I've looked on google but not yet found anything!e >  > Thanks for any help. >   = Did you try @sys$startup:decw$startup and see if that helps. m  N Did you select DECWindows base and workstation support when you installed VMS?: If not you can use sys$update:decw$tailor.exe to add them.  5 Did you install DEC Windows Motif? If not install it.n  E Did you register and load your DECW-MOTIF license PAK? If not, do so.a  < Did you install Open3d if required by your graphics adapter? If not, do that. g  C If you did all of these and still no joy, please post more details.r   regardsn   > Kind regards,  >  > Peter Watkinsona' > peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com  > remove <nospam> to reply :-)   -- t tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk a  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:16:24 +0100r% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> + Subject: Re: how external input is receivedi8 Message-ID: <bq8jouo3supbv3elruraubt39c4u5tg7j5@4ax.com>  2 On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:15:55 -0400, Atlant Schmidt$ <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote:   >"David J. Dachtera" wrote:h >uJ >> As Bill Todd might be quick to point out: efforts to approach MC on theG >> topic of VMS have, in the past, been deflected to Rich Marcello. I'de5 >> expect the current recipient would be Mark Gorham.s >p) >That's the beauty of taking my approach.m* >By opening your actual conversation *WITH$ >THE PRESS* but CC'ing Capellas, you% >bypass all those middlemen whose job 0 >it is to shield their bosses from any bad news.' >The low-level flunkies who screen MC'st, >mail aren't paid enough to sit on this sort  D The surprising news I can add here is that Michael Capellas does (orC at least did) read his personal email and will sometimes even replyoD directly. Didn't say it does any good but he does appear to read it.  ) >of message, not when it could have wide-  >ranging effects.d >n( >You (to a financial reporter or three): >y- >"Did you know that Digital/Compaq has workedu9 >for years to kill several of their most valuable assets,t4 >even though there was stlll strong customer demand?1 >Did you know that the same bozos acquired in thea. >Compaq/HP merger are *STILL* trying to do it?- >Do you realize what will happen to HP/Compaq  >if they finally succeed?" >t+ >Copying Carly/Curly/the Board of Directorsi' >puts them on the hot-seat. They *MUST*-+ >respond with some sort of positive messagee3 >or accept the (quite likely truth) that their gameh+ >is now out in the open. Either way, you'reS/ >better off than you are today, twisting slowly:
 >in the wind.e >(6 >The exact point of this gambit is to bypass Marcello,* >who has passively accepted the VMS Going-, >Out-Of-Plan for years now. Marcello and his2 >attitude is one of the big reasons I quit Compaq. >  >Atlantn >t   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:24:19 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>+ Subject: Re: how external input is receivedp, Message-ID: <3D89C1F3.5020301@tsoft-inc.com>   Alan Greig wrote:e   > F > The surprising news I can add here is that Michael Capellas does (orE > at least did) read his personal email and will sometimes even reply:F > directly. Didn't say it does any good but he does appear to read it.  N I can vouch for this.  I did get a reply, from what appeared to be Mike.  You = never know, it could have been anybody's fingers on the keys.   L The problem is, you mention VMS, and he claims to fully support VMS and how O important it is, but, moments after that he's again saying and doing the wrong -< things.  I have had to conclude that he's not to be trusted.   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:33:15 GMTl, From: "Bob Knowles" <bob.knowles@compaq.com># Subject: Re: HP website integrationt1 Message-ID: <LJhi9.3$qK5.263201@news.cpqcorp.net>t  H I know next to nothing about the PC business, but I do know that this isG nothing to do with web integration. Certain PCs still have the "Compaq"lI brand and were planned to maintain the "Compaq" brand from day 1. Certain0K others don't. So you can have an HP Compaq-brand PC in some cases and an HPR HP-brand PC in others.  G This must be a nightmare to explain, for people who know the details. IiG don't, and I'm not interested in finding out - I don't even know if theaK cases cited are 'right' or 'wrong'. Whichever they are, it seems to me thatrK there's a more-or-less even chance of _someone_ getting it wrong somewhere;dH but where they make the mistake (whether it's on the web site or not) isC immaterial to the integration of that domain, although there may beaK integration-related questions suggested by the fact that the two brands aree expected to co-exist.    bi  < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3D86BF5A.1BA33D52@videotron.ca...H > > On may 7th, when Carly and Curly gave birth, Winkler made a big deal abouta > thet/ > > integration of the two company's web sites.t > >sI > > Today, I noticed the following press release about some wintel stuff:o > > H > > HP Introduces Space-saving PCs, Thin Clients and Flat Panel Monitors > >   for Business Users	 > > <...>T > >oH > > More information about the Compaq Evo D510 e-pc and Compaq Evo D310v	 > desktoph	 > > PC ise; > >   available at http://www.compaq.com/products/desktops.  > >uJ > > So, 6 months after the birth of the new HP, 6 months after Winkler had	 > bragged J > > about having integrated the two company's web sites, it seems that the webr* > > sites are not so integrated after all.     -- bob.know1es@hp.com% (non-spammers should make the 1 an L)u   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:50:26 GMTt0 From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@compaq.com># Subject: Re: HP website integrationc2 Message-ID: <C7oi9.58$a26.726135@news.cpqcorp.net>  
 Not at all...e  K EVERY single link has to be re-coded, all the little red > arrows become >> 2 arrows. all the styles have changed. Stuff that we+ didn't have to have coded is now required..   K We used to have to do all titles initial caps. now they are all lower case.T  I Basicly every page needs to be looked at. I did some bulk stuff (like aski- the wizard) but even there I had to make lotss of little changes..s  D the style guide went from about 20 pages in a pdf to over 250 pages.  - If you want examples look at the storage sitet5 (http://www.compaq.com/storage) which has relaunched.D   -warren    --B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingG Hewlett-Packard Company              Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comML 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@remove.ma.ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875-5    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself:,          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/B ------------------------------------------------------------------    < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message' news:SM8i9.140278$Jo.40355@rwcrnsc53...y > Not an easy task, is it??? > ? > "warren sander" <sander.ma.ultranet@rcn.com> wrote in message ' > news:amb4gd$h52$1@bob.news.rcn.net...,L > > The OpenVMS site will be transitioning to the new hp brand on tuesday or > > wednesday next week. > >:= > > I've converted about 8000 pages so far, only 30,000 left.c > >:L > > I'm still working on the hp.com subdomain but I can only do some much at a@	 > > time.  > > 9 > > btw we only got the new  brand stuff in early august.. > >  > >l > > --F > > ------------------------------------------------------------------= > > Warren Sander                           OpenVMS Marketing F > > Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comK > > 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1     Personal: sander@remove.ma.ultranet.comM7 > > Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875e9 > >    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself 0 > >          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/F > > ------------------------------------------------------------------@ > > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message= > > news:cq6i9.319323$kp.1043671@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...r > > >b@ > > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message, > > > news:3D86BF5A.1BA33D52@videotron.ca...L > > > > On may 7th, when Carly and Curly gave birth, Winkler made a big deal	 > > about 	 > > > thee3 > > > > integration of the two company's web sites.i > > > >iF > > > > Today, I noticed the following press release about some wintel stuff: > > > >dL > > > > HP Introduces Space-saving PCs, Thin Clients and Flat Panel Monitors > > > >   for Business Users
 > > > > <...>- > > > >nL > > > > More information about the Compaq Evo D510 e-pc and Compaq Evo D310v
 > > > desktopt
 > > > > PC is.? > > > >   available at http://www.compaq.com/products/desktops.g > > > > J > > > > So, 6 months after the birth of the new HP, 6 months after Winkler hadm
 > > > bragged0J > > > > about having integrated the two company's web sites, it seems that the- > > weba. > > > > sites are not so integrated after all. > > > >oJ > > > > Has HP decided that the "Compaq" brand was more important than the HP
 > > > brand ?nG > > > > Or have they stumbled onto various problems that prevented truee	 > product A > > > > integration between the compaq and hp folks/departments ?i > > >yL > > > Wouldn't know as I have never integrated two huge Web sites. I am sure > > that5 > > > many here in c.o.v. can provide Better Answers.u > > >r > > >  > >  > >e >e >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:14:19 GMTtF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)@ Subject: Re: Humm, I am getting confused between a PDP and a Vax2 Message-ID: <vcji9.15$uP5.334952@news.cpqcorp.net>  ^ In article <mdd4rcnvtv6.fsf@panix5.panix.com>, Rich Alderson <alderson+news@panix.com> writes: >-O >> The PDP-7 was definitely an 18-bitter in the PDP-9and PDP-15 family. (It wasa >> the first Unix machine!!!)s > K >OK, you got the rest of them.  The major difference between the -1 and thesJ >others was the address size, 12 bits on the -1 vs. 13 bits on the others.  A The PDP-9 had at least 15 bits of addressing: extended to 16 bits B by a customer (ITT World Communications, where I used to work) and* applied to some other customer's machines.  @ The PDP-15 had up to 17 bits of addressing, extended by Worldcom> to 18 bits: though the top 128 KW was best used for data only.9 There was a plan in place to extend even this, but it wasn never actually done.  < [As far as I know, the present day company that calls itself? "Worldcom" may have some assets that are remotely decended from ? the Worldcom I worked for, but there is otherwise no connectiony or similarity that I can see.]   -- e(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:30:31 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LAT connection + Message-ID: <amc1u7$ohm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>o  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:thm2wuJdxydX@eisner.encompasserve.org...   K > > I would appreciate it if someone can help me with LAT. I have some unixa7 > > alphas and two old MicroVaxes (VAX/VMS V5.4-1) now.e >  >    set host /lat  J It seems that 5.4-1 was the first version of VMS to support LATmaster, andN it was still an optional (kind of early adopters) kit. You probably don't want to go there.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:19:05 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>eF Subject: Re: Micro$oft exec says all os's stink ... forgets about VMS!8 Message-ID: <tj1jouomtppustn0tvl42tfpleoq6rstrs@4ax.com>  B On 17 SEP 2002 16:42:14 GMT, karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) wrote:c  > >In a previous article, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote: >-> ...a@ >->Where they might be in great danger is with Active Directory.F >->Microsoft used to say that a "domain" was a security boundary. In aI >->security briefing from Microsoft last week we were informed that MS no I >->longer say this.  Due to *fundamental* and *unfixable* design flaws insB >->Active Directory, physical access to any domain controller in a> >->"forest" can be used to compromise the entire organization. >-> I >->Microsoft are effectively re-writing huge portions of Active Directoryh: >->from scratch. There can be no "quick fix" they told us. >pE >Interesting ammunition. Do you have a url or other reference to thist >statement from MS?,  F I got the info straight from an Active Directory security presentationD to our company  by Microsoft. Anyone can get it but you will need toF ask them directly for the "Active Directory Domain Security Briefing -F Customer Friendly Version". At least that's what MS called it. We thenE went into a conference call with MS security experts for more detail.U@ No handouts were provided, I can give you the contact details ofC Microsoft employees who dealt with us by private email if you wish.  -- Alan   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:23:55 +0100 (MET)l9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e' Subject: Mozilla and background colourso; Message-ID: <01KMONQ139NS9QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>c  A I'm running Mozilla on VMS.  What annoys me is the fact that the cF standard colour for the lower and right edges of a form box is white, F while this colour is often specified to be the background colour of a I page.  I know that I can choose my own background colour, but this often f= has side effects worse than the problem I am trying to solve.T  F I don't see the problem in other browsers: it seems that two colours, C white and grey, are used, so that the border of the form is always e visible.  G Is anyone else annoyed by this?  Presumably the user can't specify how wG Mozilla displays the form fields.  I'm using the classic theme, by the S2 way; can I change this by moving to another theme?  3 By the way, does anyone else miss the APPLY button?-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:09:41 -0400y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.p, Message-ID: <3D896A0E.97941A6A@videotron.ca>   David Froble wrote:tN > Please tell me what you and the rest of the peaceniks and *LIBERALS* will be1 > doing when Saddam comes knocking at your door. m  L The USA's beef about Saddam is about "weapons of mass destruction" (whatever what that really means). w  M Sept 11 happened without "weapons of mass destruction". They used box cuttersbK available at Stapples, but a commerciel airline ticket and did their deeds.w  H When Lybia was a foe, they sponsored some guy with a walkman and plasticT explosives inside to bring down Pan Am 103. Not exactly weapons of mass destruction.  J Shiks extremists based in Canada brought down Air India and almost broughtH down a CP Air flight to Japan on the same day (flight landed early, bomb? exploded on the ground). Again, no weapons of mass destruction.a  K Yes, Saddam needs to be watched. But he is no immediate threath to the USA.tM Most of his infrastructure was destroyed a few years ago and during gulf war,s# and it takes time to rebuild this. t  N And it isn't by making the guy angry at the USA  that you will reduce the riskJ that he would decide to help some group to make terrorist acts against theL USA.  Saddam is far more of a threat to his own people and to his neighboursN than to the USA. Yet, the countries around Irak are not begging for the USA toO invade Irak, they are hoping the USA will show restraint and follow UN actions.   L That alone shoudl get american citizens to wonder about the motives that theB USA government has to make this appear to be such an urgent issue.    K The USA has no business demanding the that the leader of another country be H changed. How would americans have felt if Germany had not recognized theL selection of Bush Jr as head of state for the USA and demanded he be removed and replaced by someone else ?  N "replaced by someone else" is the key here. The main reason this didn't happenL during the Bush Sr era is simple: the replacements were likely to be islamicK revoluutionists friendly to Iran and that would have destabilised the wholeRL region since they would have worked hard to "export" their philosophy to the key arab states around Irak.  L Considering that Bush Jr doesn't seem to want to tackle domestic issues, theN appearance that he wants to extend the war on terrorism as much as possible isI inevitable, especially since removing any debate about economy, enron etc4D until november will help his party for the congressional elections.   E This has become even more evident now that Irak has agreed to let thetM inspectors in , but the USA continues its rethoric. It should simply say "ok, J we give the UN 10 months, after which, if not satisfied, we use military".   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:01:38 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.t8 Message-ID: <994joukn266hq37rajau3s04us5ktg73dn@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:43:34 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote:i    J >clue one way or the other. Having read the works of Gertz, I have a hunch5 >that there are some pictures or something somewhere./ >wK >Whatever, not a very convincing job. Have to wait and see what the Britishe& >Cousins produce on the 24th, I guess.  B Not too long before the gulf war, Iraq publicly executed a BritishE journalist claiming he was a spy for MI6.  Last year the Sunday Times:? claimed he *was* spying on a secret Iraqi underground test of aWD primitive atomic bomb. The Sunday Times futher claimed that both theE UK and the USA are fully aware of this functional test that far back.  Who knows...     -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2002 12:55:54 GMT5 From: koehler@bessta.gsfc.nasa.aspm.gov (Bob Koehler)a! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.-/ Message-ID: <amchgq$8r0$2@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov>   W In article <3D89438A.2060400@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:$ >Atlant Schmidt wrote: >rN >Please tell me what you and the rest of the peaceniks and *LIBERALS* will be / >doing when Saddam comes knocking at your door.   F    Us liberals are throwing you and him in the same baskert and tryingA    to get rid of you both.  The difference is, in his case we areoH    willing to use large weapons but you we'll just try to talk to death.  5    There's nothing LIBERAL about supporting a despot.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:32:35 -0400d2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.T. Message-ID: <3D89C3E3.8505004E@mindspring.com>   David Froble wrote:s  0 > > (Proud to be associated with "tree huggers",- > > peaceniks, hippies, *LIBERALS*, and otheru2 > > names that the "Right" thinks are invectives.) > N > Please tell me what you and the rest of the peaceniks and *LIBERALS* will beR > doing when Saddam comes knocking at your door.  This guy is a nutcase, and worseJ > than any of the people in this country that you seem to despise.  You'llO > tolerate him, but not people in this country that just want to make sure thatpR > they're not fed sarin and 757s full of jet A.  Why is that?  Can you just answer > that one question?  * Your human rights and your lifestyle as an) American are in far greater jeopardy from.* George II than from Saddam Hussein. George* has far more "Weapons of Mass Destruction"- and has stated his intent to start using them - (see the most recent "Nuclear Posture Review" * among others). Bush's henchman Ashcroft is. off shredding copies of the Constitution while/ he can't even figure out where the Anthrax came9+ from (that by some strange coincidence only1' targeted Democrats and a newspaper thata) reported extensively about Bush's drunkenZ, daughters). Bush's brother still can't run a* non-crooked election but of course Bush is, counting on that this year and in 2004. Your+ rights to free speech and protest have beeni drastically curtailed.  ( Meanwhile, Saddam Hussein may or may not+ have some WMD, but he isn't storming aroundo" the world threatening to use them.  " Our "leader of the free world" is.    R > And when you want to compare others, like George Bush, to Saddam, please includeR > the body count of women, babies, innocents, and such for each.  Please note thatQ > I will not accept as innocent anyone wearing a uniform, carrying a gun, and dugaR > in occupying another country as innocent.  Also do not count people living underQ > a Saddam or a Hitler as innocent victims due to actions of people resisting theg	 > tyrant.t  3 It has been fairly widely reported that "collateralo  damage" (otherwise known as dead* civilians including women and children) in' Afghanistan has exceeded by quite a bit0& the ~3,000 Americans who died on 9/11.  ) (BTW, I knew *PERSONALLY* one of the 9/11e1 victims, he was a friend of mine, so don't bother@
 going there.)a  / And if Bush is on the side of "right" why is hes. so afraid of the International Criminal Court?  ' Yes, the world sure does need a "Regime - Change". But not the one Bush is gunning for.n   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:19:43 -0400p( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.s, Message-ID: <3D89C0DF.6060708@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:i   > David Froble wrote:  > N >>Please tell me what you and the rest of the peaceniks and *LIBERALS* will be1 >>doing when Saddam comes knocking at your door. a >> > N > The USA's beef about Saddam is about "weapons of mass destruction" (whatever > what that really means). 6 > O > Sept 11 happened without "weapons of mass destruction". They used box cuttersrM > available at Stapples, but a commerciel airline ticket and did their deeds.e  N While always looking for ulterior motives, what seems to be overlooked is the Q apparent 'unthinkableness' of airliners being flown into the WTC, until after it T	 happened.p  Q Just what is so unthinkable about smuggling a nuclear device into NYC and taking tL out the whole city?  It can happen.  The way the world is going, it's not a  matter of 'if', but 'when'.   P Was it the people who didn't want to go after OBL and his organization prior to L 9-11-2002 the ones that lost their lives?  No, it was just ordinary people. L Well, now it has been made very apparent to all but those who refuse to see L reality that these people rejoice at the loss of American (USA) lives.  The Q tapes showing OBL pleased at the loss of life, not just the symbolic blow at the y/ WTC, makes it quite clear what their agenda is.t  Q It wasn't Montreal, JF, it was NYC.  The US is the target, do not try to make it cO a world event.  As the target, I for one do not intent to sit idly waiting for iN some terrorist to take me out, or worse, those I care about and would be hurt ( more by their loss than by my own death.  K At this time the knowledge to make a nuclear device is rather public.  The  P resources to do so are a bit more difficult to get.  Things may be different in I the future, but for now there is that small difficulty.  There have been K; documented incidences of Iraq trying to get such resources.y  Q So, when someone makes it known that he'd like to see a bulldozer driven through 4N your front door, do you call the cops when you see a bulldozer being unloaded N from a trailer, by this someone, in front of your house, or do you wait until  it's leveled your house?  O In addition to self defense, ridding the world of such types makes the world a  N bit better.  It seems that the human race will just never learn what an idiot  Nevill Chamberlain was.f   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:01:31 +0400 / From: Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru>s! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.i( Message-ID: <3D89CAAB.3060906@beenet.ru>   David Froble wrote: 	 <skipped>h  K > It wasn't Montreal, JF, it was NYC.  The US is the target, do not try to nH > make it a world event.  As the target, I for one do not intent to sit I > idly waiting for some terrorist to take me out, or worse, those I care tB > about and would be hurt more by their loss than by my own death.  D Just one point that americans miss everytime. Didn't you ever think ; *WHY* US is target? Not GB, not Germany, not Canada but US? I This is IMHO the main point. And misunderstanding that WHY is the reason   of that terrible murder 9-11.o   > I > At this time the knowledge to make a nuclear device is rather public.   I > The resources to do so are a bit more difficult to get.  Things may be  H > different in the future, but for now there is that small difficulty.  M > There have been documented incidences of Iraq trying to get such resources.C > K > So, when someone makes it known that he'd like to see a bulldozer driven 5I > through your front door, do you call the cops when you see a bulldozer :J > being unloaded from a trailer, by this someone, in front of your house, / > or do you wait until it's leveled your house?i > G Oh, call the cops? The better metaphora would be "blow out that f**ing dF trailer with Tamahawk when he is driving in your town", not "call the J cops". GWB doesn't want to call cops (UN security <dont know right word>).  I > In addition to self defense, ridding the world of such types makes the )J > world a bit better.  It seems that the human race will just never learn ' > what an idiot Nevill Chamberlain was.i  H You know, "the better" is very subjective term. In russian we have nice 8 saying - "what is good for russian is death for german".G And it is *very*very*dangerous* when one very powerfull country starts oE to put it's "good/evel" patterns onto the whole world. And I suppose pI that it is dangerous primary for US, not for Iraq. They live in terrible  D conditions for years, so you just cant destroy them. They will live D forever and will revenge US forever. You just CAN'T destroy IDEA by C weapon. Moreover the only way to stop terrorism is to make life of tF people on this planet much better, not try to force them to something.     >  > Dave >   
 Best regards,e Konstantin Klubnichkin   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:05:06 -0400e2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.n. Message-ID: <3D89CB82.11C67B02@mindspring.com>   David Froble wrote:s  R > So, when someone makes it known that he'd like to see a bulldozer driven throughO > your front door, do you call the cops when you see a bulldozer being unloadednO > from a trailer, by this someone, in front of your house, or do you wait untiln > it's leveled your house?  0 Apparently, it depends which party they support.3 Ann Coulter, a "conservative" journalist, has said:8  *   o (speaking of Moslems)"We should invade4      their countries, kill their leaders and convert      them to Christianity."d  (   o "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh%      is he did not go to the New Yorkm     Times Building."  3 So far, no one has called the cops on Ann. Instead,s, she's the darling of the American Right-Wing/ talk-show circuit, making big bucks from makingZ5 statements that would earn her involuntary commitmentr in any sane world.    P > In addition to self defense, ridding the world of such types makes the world a
 > bit better.b  , So what will you do to rid us of Coulter and other such hate-mongers?   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:42:58 GMTn* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.eA Message-ID: <m8ni9.38660$216.1509258@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>    OK, you've sucked me in.  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messager& news:3D89C0DF.6060708@tsoft-inc.com...   ...f  K > Just what is so unthinkable about smuggling a nuclear device into NYC anda takingK > out the whole city?  It can happen.  The way the world is going, it's notn ae > matter of 'if', but 'when'.i  J And a lot of the reason the world is 'going' that 'way' is due to the U.S.  K It's really, really stupid to think that we can force the rest of the worldmL to toe the line to our satisfaction, when trying to do so just stirs up moreL resentment.  If we want NYC destroyed in the manner you suggest, we're doing0 about the best we can to ensure that it happens.   >eH > Was it the people who didn't want to go after OBL and his organization prior toE > 9-11-2002 the ones that lost their lives?  No, it was just ordinaryH people. I > Well, now it has been made very apparent to all but those who refuse to  seeoH > reality that these people rejoice at the loss of American (USA) lives.  K Of course they do:  they have significant grievances against us, and that'ss$ about their only available recourse.     TheoK > tapes showing OBL pleased at the loss of life, not just the symbolic blowr at the1 > WTC, makes it quite clear what their agenda is.0 >1J > It wasn't Montreal, JF, it was NYC.  The US is the target, do not try to make itjL > a world event.  As the target, I for one do not intent to sit idly waiting forWJ > some terrorist to take me out, or worse, those I care about and would be hurt* > more by their loss than by my own death.  @ Acting berserk is not the only alternative to 'sitting idly by'.   >eL > At this time the knowledge to make a nuclear device is rather public.  TheD > resources to do so are a bit more difficult to get.  Things may be different inJ > the future, but for now there is that small difficulty.  There have been= > documented incidences of Iraq trying to get such resources.   E And while we're at it, let's invade India and Pakistan as well:  theyfK *already have* those resources, and also radical groups that might use themn God knows how.  C France is a good target as well:  they don't like us all that much.a  L And Russia and the other nuclear ex-Soviet republics - well, the best way toI be sure of controlling their remaining nuclear devices would be to occupy 	 them too.a  B Ooh - China.  Now *there's* a problem:  how to handle them withoutJ destroying the rest of Southeast Asia (wouldn't want to do that, given how" much our economy depends on them).   >:J > So, when someone makes it known that he'd like to see a bulldozer driven throughsF > your front door, do you call the cops when you see a bulldozer being unloadedI > from a trailer, by this someone, in front of your house, or do you waiti untilc > it's leveled your house?  J As has already been observed, our problem is that we're *not* 'calling theJ cops' (i.e., the U.N.) but not only taking matters into our own hands (I'dL have no objection to arming my house with an anti-tank weapon just in case IJ saw a bulldozer approaching with clearly evil intent) but preparing to actJ preemptively in the absence of *any* evidence of an impending strike (just7 the suspicion that someone might be contemplating one)..   > H > In addition to self defense, ridding the world of such types makes the world a.I > bit better.  It seems that the human race will just never learn what anl idiot  > Nevill Chamberlain was.)  I Funny - I happen to believe the world would be better off if we rid it ofrK people (apparently including yourself) who think they have the right to ridtJ the world of people they feel it would be better off without.  But, unlikeG you, I don't feel comfortable *acting* on that belief in the absence of G actual precipitating acts on their part (and please, don't quote my thetJ litany of Saddam's:  he's exactly the same tyrant that he was when we wereH actively supporting him for over a decade, so we really need to wait forG something new at this point if we want to consider acting independently 3 rather than as part of an international consensus).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:15:48 +0200v* From: "Sven Tieste" <sven.tieste@sw-hb.de>2 Subject: Re: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS.2 Message-ID: <amc4k5$iq4$1@f40-3.zfn.uni-bremen.de>   Hello,J we are using such system. We are using POWERWARE 9110 UPS. Since it works, it works quit well. 8 We are using Software called OnliSafe for OpenVMS. It is delivered with a good manual. I We had lots of problems to connect Server and UPS. The cable delivered bys> Powerware was wrong (one could not use a normal serial cable).D Only a few month later and telephone calls around the world we got aG handwritten (!!!) drawing which descibes the right pinout of the cable.IB Doing some handicrafts to buildt the cable by myself and it works. (Not just professional but ...)  Have fun with it!h    K Martin Zijderhand <martin.zijderhand@centric.nl> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: ' am9772$vvm$1@magellan.sys.centric.nl...1I > Is there someone who has experience with a Alpha with OpenVMS 7.2 and ayL > PowerWare ups. Which software is needed to shutdown the Alpha when the Ups
 > request to?D >  > Martin Zijderhand- >- >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:20:24 -0500g, From: "Steve Reiner" <sreiner@bellsouth.net>2 Subject: Re: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS.C Message-ID: <iRki9.107955$AY5.42003731@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>   
 Hi Martin:  " We also use the OnliSafe software.9 We purchased it (with the special cable) for approx $200.nB As I recall, it was purchased from our "local" Compaq distributor.  K Here is the info you might be interested in, as cut from the description inl our purchase order:p 4N-ONVMS-NU Onlisafe V3.3 UPSm"            monitoring and shutdown'            software for Digital VAX andi            Alpha Open VMSl'            Interfaces to Exide NetUPS &h'            One UPS Plus UPS serial porte$            Onlisafe package contains            -Software on CDROM '            -1 DB25 to DB9 pin interface              cable CT-03-04Al#            Installation instructionp'            -Product Support provided byl$             Vendor Exide Electronics  H Because we had two Alpha systems connected to our UPS and wanted both to% communicate with it, we also ordered:a 4-PORT MULTIMON UPS KITr MODEL NUMBER 4N-JMIU4-AB 4 Port Multimon unit Kit(            -Allows 4 CPU's running Power(            Mon Software to monitor 1 UPS'            and provide Soft Shutdown ony            Utility Failure            Kit Includes;            4 Port multiMon Unito            4 MIU to UPS Cables            4 Secondary Cablesf!            16 9 & 25 pin Adaptersy            User Manual&            This is a Hardware only kit&            with no Software and is for            EXide UPS products('            1 Yr Return to Vendor On MIU             unit by Customera    J We've had it installed (now on OpenVMS v7.3) for about two years now.   ItC was a little klunky to get up and going, but does appear to work assH advertised.   There was an issue with the serial cabling, and as anotherC person mentioned, it did take a while to get that straightened out.   
 Good luck.
   -- Steve  C "Martin Zijderhand" <martin.zijderhand@centric.nl> wrote in message , news:am9772$vvm$1@magellan.sys.centric.nl...I > Is there someone who has experience with a Alpha with OpenVMS 7.2 and a.L > PowerWare ups. Which software is needed to shutdown the Alpha when the Ups
 > request to?a >o > Martin Zijderhandd >e >h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:04:52 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 2 Subject: Re: OpenVms on Alpha with a PoweWare UPS.H Message-ID: <oIli9.59588$8b1.39256@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "Steve Reiner" <sreiner@bellsouth.net> wrote in message = news:iRki9.107955$AY5.42003731@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...i > Hi Martin: >f$ > We also use the OnliSafe software.; > We purchased it (with the special cable) for approx $200.bD > As I recall, it was purchased from our "local" Compaq distributor. > J > Here is the info you might be interested in, as cut from the description in > our purchase order:  > 4N-ONVMS-NU Onlisafe V3.3 UPSe$ >            monitoring and shutdown) >            software for Digital VAX andh >            Alpha Open VMSh) >            Interfaces to Exide NetUPS &e) >            One UPS Plus UPS serial porta& >            Onlisafe package contains >            -Software on CDROM ) >            -1 DB25 to DB9 pin interfaceH >             cable CT-03-04Ah% >            Installation instructionp) >            -Product Support provided byI& >             Vendor Exide Electronics >eJ > Because we had two Alpha systems connected to our UPS and wanted both to' > communicate with it, we also ordered:s > 4-PORT MULTIMON UPS KITe > MODEL NUMBER 4N-JMIU4-AB > 4 Port Multimon unit Kit* >            -Allows 4 CPU's running Power* >            Mon Software to monitor 1 UPS) >            and provide Soft Shutdown ona >            Utility Failure >            Kit Includes;! >            4 Port multiMon Unit   >            4 MIU to UPS Cables >            4 Secondary Cabless# >            16 9 & 25 pin Adapters  >            User Manual( >            This is a Hardware only kit( >            with no Software and is for >            EXide UPS products ) >            1 Yr Return to Vendor On MIUl >            unit by Customer  >  > L > We've had it installed (now on OpenVMS v7.3) for about two years now.   ItE > was a little klunky to get up and going, but does appear to work asmJ > advertised.   There was an issue with the serial cabling, and as anotherE > person mentioned, it did take a while to get that straightened out.s    J 10 minutes with a breakout box would have solved the serial communications
 cable riddle.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:35:08 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>n Subject: OpenVMS SIG* Message-ID: <amcqri$hn1$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Dear Newsgroup,1  I Just so you know Encompass has restarted the OpenVMS SIG.  Dave Cathey isu the SIG Chair.  ,  To join the VMS SIG you need to register on4 http://www.encompassus.org/community/sigs/index.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:40:48 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: or just a programmer?5 Message-ID: <clli9.12192$H67.60503@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>p  K They are desperatly looking for someone in Montreal for a Cobol programmer. @ I`ve see the same job posting many times in the last few months.+ There has been a few others, too. Not many.l   --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)t8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  7 <schiffkey@cfl.rr.com> a crit dans le message de news:-+ 3d87de13.16174497@news-server.cfl.rr.com...rA > I really enjoy this lively conversation about looking for work.  >pH > At least we are lead to believe that system admins are still required. >37 > Now, if you can convince me that computer programmerslF > (cobol, vax/vms, ingres, or any flavour of basic, pascal, c, synergyH > dbl) are still required. Heck with the new development, I'll take some > serious maintenance !- >-' > just email me at schiffkey@cfl.rr.com- > 6 > ps: yes, i do hear of jobs, but never for cobol /vax  > usually, its  c vax or c unix. >c >c >. > A > On 15 Sep 2002 23:20:25 -0700, chinachowchow@mailcity.com (Ricka > Nickles) wrote:i >e6 > >Hi,  Sorry about that - I live in Stevens Point, WI > >n > >Rickw > >e > >s7 > >p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote in message % news:<5JpO2frST7xo@elias.decus.ch>...oB > >> In article <ac4e3b24.0209141413.40c3f946@posting.google.com>,1 chinachowchow@mailcity.com (Rick Nickles) writes:c > >> > Thanks so much!!  > >> >K > >> > Please let me know if you have other ideas! As far as geography I am K > >> > open.  I realize that I will probably need to relocate, contract, ornL > >> > work from home somehow.  There isn't much in this area.  I would likeL > >> > to make sure that wherever the work has a good work market so that ifI > >> > something happens I can find another place to go without uprooting  > >> > over and over.4 > >> > > >> > thanks! > >> > Rickn > >> > > >>J > >> But you still didn't answer the question. You never know, there couldK > >> be a potential employer close by, that you don't know about. I mentionnF > >> this because a few years ago I stumbled across a local job with a companyrG > >> who I had assumed was pure IBM, but turned out to run VMS as well,i@ > >> simply because I mentioned my location in a newsgroup post. > >> > >>? > >> > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message / news:<Ewq47tZ5sOcT@eisner.encompasserve.org>...tD > >> >> In article <M7vg9.15992$Wa.914882@twister.southeast.rr.com>,. "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> writes:L > >> >> > You may want to post this message in the OpenVMS.org resume forum. It can't > >> >> > hurt. 	 > >> >> >e4 > >> >> > http://www.openvms.org/phorum/list.php?f=3 > >> >>oB > >> >> It also would not hurt to indicate a geography preference. > >> >>i > >> > >> <snip>a > >> __t > >> Paul Sturem > >> Switzerland >    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:20:22 -0700 (PDT)l. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>5 Subject: Oracle RDB 8.0 = Oracle RDB for Itanium ????h@ Message-ID: <20020919132022.28566.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>  0 Oracle RDB 8.0 - will be the Itanium version ???   Click   _ http://www.oracle.com/rdb/product_info/html_documents/index.html?rdb_80_to_71_announcement.htmle     Regards    FC- -    =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!- http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:45:31 +0100 (MET)B9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>b9 Subject: Re: Oracle RDB 8.0 = Oracle RDB for Itanium ????w; Message-ID: <01KMOUAP0CL29QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>m  2 > Oracle RDB 8.0 - will be the Itanium version ??? >  > Click  > a > http://www.oracle.com/rdb/product_info/html_documents/index.html?rdb_80_to_71_announcement.html   
 Non sequitur.e  I Look at the date on that web page: 11-DEC-2000.  Well before ANYONE knew  F about VMS on Itanium, I suppose.  In other words, the two things have  nothing to do with each other.  C Having said that, one can of course ask what will be the first Rdb eC release on Itanium.  Considering the fact that someone In The Know hG (Fred?) said here that the first VMS release on Itanium would probably sG not be a .0 release, but rather 7.x, I really doubt that Rdb will wait  B until 8.x for an Itanium release.  Consider that 7.0.x.y is still  supported on VAX and ALPHA.y  H Rdb is written in BLISS.  BLISS is needed for VMS, so will be ported to H Itanium (probably already is).  Considering that VAX--->ALPHA is a much G bigger difference and there are still "parallel code streams" here, it nA seems to me that Rdb on Itanium will simply be the current ALPHA eE version, just like there is also an ALPHA version of the current VAX sI version (7.1.x.y is ALPHA only, I think mainly because of galaxy support lH and other big changes---folks still using Rdb on VAX don't need a major D upgrade with features which they can never use (not only due to VMS H support, but if they need the features of galaxy, they would already be  on ALPHA anyway)).   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:50:22 +0100 (MET)m9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>c Subject: PIPE BACKUP/LIST ; Message-ID: <01KMOSWUPWV49QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a  D When I do BACK/LIST X.BCK/SAVE, it takes a while to produce all the G output.  With PIPE BACK/LIST X.BCK/SAVE | SEARCH SYS$INPUT "y z", it's  C over completely.  It seems that BACK/LIST writes to SYS$ERROR, not  ? SYS$OUTPUT.  Why?  (Of course, this also relates to the recent 2B discussion about making PIPE more flexible and/or more unix-like.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:15:41 -0400t- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>n Subject: Re: PIPE BACKUP/LISTh5 Message-ID: <amcm6f$4novm$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>I  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KMOSWUPWV49QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...eE > When I do BACK/LIST X.BCK/SAVE, it takes a while to produce all theyH > output.  With PIPE BACK/LIST X.BCK/SAVE | SEARCH SYS$INPUT "y z", it'sD > over completely.  It seems that BACK/LIST writes to SYS$ERROR, not@ > SYS$OUTPUT.  Why?  (Of course, this also relates to the recentD > discussion about making PIPE more flexible and/or more unix-like.)  I I really don't know what you mean by "over completely." When I tried yourtK command it worked fine, but maybe you are trying this in a .COM, if that ispA the case then you should be using SYS$PIPE rather than SYS$INPUT.t  H A quick test to see if BACKUP/LIST is writing to SYS$OUTPUT or SYS$ERRORJ (using PIPE, I know 3 or 4 people will jump in about now to say that thereH is an easier way to test this, but the question is about PIPE so that is? what I'm using, please hold your horses on this :) ) is to use;t  L $ PIPE BACKUP/LIST X.BCK/SAVE > x.x  ! What is in x.x is what was written to
 SYS$OUTPUTJ $ PIPE BACKUP/LIST X.BCK/SAVE 2> x.x  ! What is in x.x is what was written to SYS$ERROR  G If none of that helps then post what you see when you do PIPE BACK/LIST-H X.BCK/SAVE | SEARCH SYS$PIPE "y z" /STAT and then also post what you see@ when you do BACK/LIST=X.X X.BCK/SAVE and SEARCH X.X "y z" /STAT.   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:35:56 +0100 (MET)n9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: PIPE BACKUP/LISTo; Message-ID: <01KMOW86PYWC9QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   G > > When I do BACK/LIST X.BCK/SAVE, it takes a while to produce all the:J > > output.  With PIPE BACK/LIST X.BCK/SAVE | SEARCH SYS$INPUT "y z", it'sF > > over completely.  It seems that BACK/LIST writes to SYS$ERROR, notB > > SYS$OUTPUT.  Why?  (Of course, this also relates to the recentF > > discussion about making PIPE more flexible and/or more unix-like.) > : > I really don't know what you mean by "over completely."   8 Sorry, I meant "over [finished, completed] immediately".  I > When I tried your command it worked fine, but maybe you are trying thisrI > in a .COM, if that is the case then you should be using SYS$PIPE ratherr > than SYS$INPUT.    No, interactively.  J > A quick test to see if BACKUP/LIST is writing to SYS$OUTPUT or SYS$ERRORL > (using PIPE, I know 3 or 4 people will jump in about now to say that thereJ > is an easier way to test this, but the question is about PIPE so that isA > what I'm using, please hold your horses on this :) ) is to use;o > N > $ PIPE BACKUP/LIST X.BCK/SAVE > x.x  ! What is in x.x is what was written to > SYS$OUTPUT  F Takes a long time (i.e. the expected (lengthy) output is going to x.x.6 No screen output.  TYPE X.X shows the expected output.  L > $ PIPE BACKUP/LIST X.BCK/SAVE 2> x.x  ! What is in x.x is what was written > to SYS$ERROR  G Also takes a long time, but what one normally sees on the screen (i.e. oE the "output" of the BACK/LIST command) IS seen on the screen in this  ? case.  TYPE Y.Y: Y.Y does not exist.  OK, nothing to SYS$ERROR.o  D OK, seems like it is writing to SYS$OUTPUT.  OK, replace > x.x with C | search sys$input <string> (where <string> is known to be present nG in the command above: again, completed immediately, no strings matched.t Replace <string> with "":m   Listing of save set(s) Save set:          A.B Written by:        TESTh" UIC:               [001001,000001]* Date:              16-AUG-2002 15:16:21.05/ %BACKUP-F-WRITEERR, error writing SYS$OUTPUT:.;a- -RMS-F-SYS, QIO system service request failedr4 -SYSTEM-F-MBTOOSML, mailbox is too small for request   All this in boldface.e  I > If none of that helps then post what you see when you do PIPE BACK/LISTc+ > X.BCK/SAVE | SEARCH SYS$PIPE "y z" /STAT s  E Files searched:                 1       Buffered I/O count:        11dE Records searched:               9       Direct I/O count:           0sE Characters searched:          310       Page faults:               27cH Records matched:                0       Elapsed CPU time:  0 00:00:00.01H Lines printed:                  0       Elapsed time:      0 00:00:00.00  ! > and then also post what you seeoC > when you do BACK/LIST=X.X X.BCK/SAVE and SEARCH X.X "y z" /STAT. l  1 OK, hit ^Y, to reduce time, but you get the idea:r  E Files searched:                 1       Buffered I/O count:         8hE Records searched:              28       Direct I/O count:           1nE Characters searched:         1774       Page faults:               24 H Records matched:                3       Elapsed CPU time:  0 00:00:00.00H Lines printed:                  3       Elapsed time:      0 00:00:00.00   ------------------------------   Date: 19 SEP 2002 15:05:41 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>  Subject: Re: PIPE BACKUP/LIST"2 Message-ID: <19SEP02.15054189@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  Q In a previous article, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:0 [snip]F > OK, seems like it is writing to SYS$OUTPUT.  OK, replace > x.x with E > | search sys$input <string> (where <string> is known to be present >I > in the command above: again, completed immediately, no strings matched.b > Replace <string> with "":  >  r > Listing of save set(s) > Save set:          A.B > Written by:        TESTe$ > UIC:               [001001,000001], > Date:              16-AUG-2002 15:16:21.051 > %BACKUP-F-WRITEERR, error writing SYS$OUTPUT:.;o/ > -RMS-F-SYS, QIO system service request failedu6 > -SYSTEM-F-MBTOOSML, mailbox is too small for request  D Here's a piece of a posting by Hoff that would appear to address the issue here:a  5 ] From: hoffman@xdelta.enet.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)m ] Date: 12-APR-1999  14:04:37m4 ] Subj: Re: Determining the diameter of the DCL PIPE ]  ]  ]aH ]   AFIAK, the following information is not considered to be documented. ]-F ]   The OpenVMS DCL PIPE command message size limit is governed by theE ]   MAXBUF and DEFMBXMXMSG system parameters.  Here is the test used:D ]a? ]     if (IOC$GW_MAXBUF >= (IOC$GW_MBXMXMSG + sizeof(BUF_HDR)))02 ]       ucb->ucb$l_pipe_max_quota = IOC$GW_MAXBUF;
 ]     elseF ]       ucb->ucb$l_pipe_max_quota = IOC$GW_MBXMXMSG + sizeof(BUF_HDR); ]eI ]   To write larger PIPE segments, both the MAXBUF and DEFMBXMXMSG systemrH ]   parameters need to be set appropriately large -- both values need to( ]   be set to sufficiently large values.  J I presume a Google news group search would turn up the rest of the message if you're interested..   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV-H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:25:41 GMT-8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) Subject: Re: PIPE BACKUP/LISTa2 Message-ID: <V%li9.45$RW5.551057@news.cpqcorp.net>  w In article <01KMOSWUPWV49QW0O4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: E >When I do BACK/LIST X.BCK/SAVE, it takes a while to produce all the  H >output.  With PIPE BACK/LIST X.BCK/SAVE | SEARCH SYS$INPUT "y z", it's  >over completely.  ...  E Maybe you are seeing the difference between CPU/MEMORY/DISK speed anda display output speed.e  ? With the BACKUP command alone, the list has to be be displayed;tF this slows things down.  In the pipe, the output is past at cpu/memory: speed to the SEARCH command, which produces little output.   -- rI       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USAuH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:18:48 +0200e$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>Y Subject: re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to         OpenVMSa* Message-ID: <00A14391.7636E04C.2@decus.de>   "David Froble" wrote:oF Subject: Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting
 to OpenVMS   > Frank da Cruz wrote: > F > > Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> (really Eran Heyman) wrote:	 > > : ...eA > > :  PowerTerm is the most complete Terminal Emulator availableu
 today for and F > > : runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, PocketPC and Browser based and supportsA > > : the widest range of Legacy systems including OpenVMS, Unix,b Tandem, HP/3000,: > > : IBM Mainframe, AS/400, SCO, Data General and others. > > : C > > Telling VMS people that VMS is a legacy operating system is noto exactly theaF > > best marketing strategy.  And wow, even in Unix is legacy...  It's hardA > > to keep up!  Hmmm, what's left that isn't legacy that you cant
 connect to > > with a terminal emulator?  > >a > > - Franke > >h >i >kC > Good point.  It would have been much better to say that it "works  with theB > widest range of systems that support terminal operations".  This
 could be readLA > to imply that supporting terminal operations is a feature and at benefit of such.
 > systems. >sF > When you adopt the enemy's terminology and definitions, he's already won, and > you've already lost. >  > Dave  ? As far as I remember the primary goal of Ericom is to sell "WebaB Integration Software" for "legacy" systems. But then again: legacy systems "just work" ...r   Michael@   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:24:25 -0700 (PDT)@. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>Q Subject: Re: PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops connecting to OpenVMSR? Message-ID: <20020919112425.8586.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>   0 May be SUN can bundle this software in their PCs powered by Linux ! ! ! :-)))    2 What surprises the IT world will give us until the end of the year !    Regardst   FC "1 --- Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>b wrote:	 >  Folks,l. > I just got this and wanted to pass it along. > sueg > 0 > PowerTerm Terminal Emulator for LINUX desktops > connecting to OpenVMSl >  >  > 6 > As most of you know, Ericom's PowerTerm 525 Terminal > Emulator has been as/ > part of PATHWORKS for the last 6 years.  And,t > Ericom's PowerTerm family of5 > terminal emulation products has become the standard' > for OpenVMS access.'1 > Recently, Ericom introduced a version that runs  > natively on Linux. > 4 >  As you all know, Linux is a tremendous success in > the Server marketplace6 > and lately it has started gaining market share as an > alternative to a2 > Windows desktop environment.  Many organizations > worldwide, including6 > governments such as the German, Taiwanese, Brazilian > and others, have made a / > decision to move to Linux in order to save on   > licensing costs.  And, many of5 > those organizations are using OpenVMS (and other HPo > legacy systems) and need3 > to use a complete, accurate and familiar terminal  > emulator that connect to* > any legacy systems that they might have. > 3 >  PowerTerm is the most complete Terminal Emulator  > available today for andt0 > runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, PocketPC and > Browser based and supports. > the widest range of Legacy systems including! > OpenVMS, Unix, Tandem, HP/3000,o6 > IBM Mainframe, AS/400, SCO, Data General and others. > 6 >  Feel free to download PowerTerm InterConnect (Linux > Edition) from our webk > site: www.ericom.com/linux > 0 > In case you have any questions please email to > linuxsupport@ericom.com or > call >  > USA: (201) 767 2210a >  > Europe: +44-1905-777-970 >  >  > 
 > Eran Heymanu >  > CEO  >  > Ericom Software Inc. >  >  >      =====e ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazili fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!n http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:08:44 +0530n- From: "Guruprasad T.S." <guruts@india.hp.com> / Subject: Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backupse* Message-ID: <amc6ba$7dj$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  ; Me trying to catch up with VMS after many years. So, pardonw< me if this appears silly.. But, what would happen if you set; the journal file to 'nobackup' and try.. That would confirm 9 that the backup process is indeed locking up the file?...    -Guruu  0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message) news:uohnq9fo2rh0c5@news.supernews.com...i9 > It looks like the queue manager is trying to delete thet: > SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL file but it can't because BACKUP has it open.d8 > It seems strange that you would hit that conflict more than once in a blueo > moon.i > 8 > "Glen Martin" <glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu> wrote in messagel9 > news:6e2f14f4.0209181206.42a2e6dd@posting.google.com...I< > > About once every other week (corresponding with our full
 backups of; > > the disk containing SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL) ouro
 QUEUE MANAGER : > > is dying. Any ideas as to why this might be happening? > > * > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Glen > >  > > OpenVMS Alpha v6.2; > > The following events in OPERATOR.LOG are representative 
 of what showso > > up:* > >d > >i< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.83  %%%%%%%%%%%, > > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET# > > %QMAN-E-WRITEERR, error writing 4 > > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JO > >p< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.84  %%%%%%%%%%%, > > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET* > > -RMS-F-RMV, ACP remove function failed > >"< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.84  %%%%%%%%%%%, > > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET. > > -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict > >f< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.87  %%%%%%%%%%%, > > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET" > > %QMAN-F-OPENERR, error opening5 > > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOUj > >a< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.87  %%%%%%%%%%%, > > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET5 > > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another userl > >f< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.87  %%%%%%%%%%%, > > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET. > > -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict > >-< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:11.13  %%%%%%%%%%%+ > > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on VIOLETj4 > > %JBC-E-QMANDEL, unexpected queue manager process terminations > >.< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:17.08  %%%%%%%%%%%, > > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET" > > %QMAN-F-OPENERR, error opening5 > > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOU  > >a< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:17.08  %%%%%%%%%%%, > > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET5 > > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another usere > >"< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:17.08  %%%%%%%%%%%, > > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET. > > -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict > >t< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:22.96  %%%%%%%%%%%+ > > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on VIOLETg4 > > %JBC-E-QMANDEL, unexpected queue manager process terminationh >a >n   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2002 07:16:16 -07001 From: glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Glen Martin)y/ Subject: Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backupso= Message-ID: <6e2f14f4.0209190616.61c14284@posting.google.com>r  f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<+wqcch4bbjja@eisner.encompasserve.org>...s > In article <6e2f14f4.0209181206.42a2e6dd@posting.google.com>, glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Glen Martin) writes:  >  > > < > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-AUG-2002 02:10:02.83  %%%%%%%%%%%, > > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on VIOLET# > > %QMAN-E-WRITEERR, error writing@ >  -4 > > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JO >  ." > > %QMAN-F-OPENERR, error opening5 > > DPA1:[LCOMMON.][SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOUn >  > = > 	What is the full text of the message?  You have it chopped  > 	off.  Full text will help.o > 	 > 				Robe  A Sorry about the snippage. Microsoft's telnet app clearly blows...e  : The only thing truncated was the remainder of the filename" SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL;1 .  ? Very puzzling that BACKUP would prevent QMAN from writing to or D deleting this file. BACKUP logs indicate that this file could not beB backed up since it was open, as I would expect (open only by QUEUE$ MANAGER according to SHOW DEV/FILE).   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2002 08:26:37 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backupsa= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0209190726.28469923@posting.google.com>e  v glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Glen Martin) wrote in message news:<6e2f14f4.0209181206.42a2e6dd@posting.google.com>...E > About once every other week (corresponding with our full backups ofwG > the disk containing SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL) our QUEUE MANAGER 8 > is dying. Any ideas as to why this might be happening? > ( > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Glen >  > OpenVMS Alpha v6.2 jG > The following events in OPERATOR.LOG are representative of what showsi > up:o >  [...]t  6 Can you give us the exact backup command used, please?  2 Did your backup command include /IGNORE=INTERLOCK?   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmany   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2002 10:51:49 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)X Subject: Re: Recommendations for Win2K Pro NFS client for use with TCPIP V5.1 NFS server= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0209190951.6fe337dd@posting.google.com>T  j "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in message news:<TP7i9.49$9m5.934982@news.cpqcorp.net>...? > Two that I am familiar with are NFS Maestro from Hummingbird,r > < >      http://www.hummingbird.com/products/nc/nfs/index.html >   > and another is WRQ Reflections > ; >      http://www.wrq.com/products/reflection/pc_unix/rnfs/r > L > I am curious what sort of snags you ran into with MS Services for UNIX.  I& > had planned to one day give it a go. >  > Matt.t >  > --? > -------------------------------------------------------------  > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > Enterprise Computing Group > Hewlett-Packard Companyo > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA ? > -------------------------------------------------------------l >    Matt, >      we downloaded Hummingbird maestro Solo eval and NetmanageC Interdrive to try.  Hummingbird was immediately able to see the NFSnD service being offered (which is farther than the MS product got) but? we're still having authentication problems.  Either I'm missingcC something on setting up the proxies or PCNFS (running ont he Alpha)uE isn't doing what its supposed to do.  The PCNFS logfile keeps showingkE 'no such user' messages even when we do in fact have a proxy in placen= for that username (and even created a VMS account to match in*? testing); the info in the TCPIP docs on PCNFS is pretty skimpy.e  ;      MS SFU 3.0 has lead to a need to rebuild the two NT4.0eF workstations after its removal.  It wanted SP6a (fine), then it wantedB the 'active directory client' (we are not running active directoryF here, but fine...), then it wanted an additional patch (loaded), afterA which the NFS server on the Alpha never saw it again.  We went byu? provided examples to configure the user mapping, PCNFS, and NFS E client.  The PC recognized our Alpha as an NFS server but could nevereD see a service being offered (which our VAX running TCPware connectedB to perfectly).  Any attempt to open or connect or map or mount theF service on the alpha got a 'network name not found' error.  Gave up on; the NT systems, deinstalled SFU, and now both are wonky and ! unreliable, so need to be redone.n  > We then moved to a W2K Pro system.  There the install was muchF cleaner, and the configuration seemed to work properly, but we had theD same problem; the Alpha couldn't see that PC even trying to connect,? and the PC kept saying 'network name not found' on any attempt.W  E We verified the host file on the PCs (there is no internal DNS/NIS oneF our NAT'ted network), triple checked the net; normal (Telnet/Ping/FTP)D communications worked to the Alpha), tried the PC both in and out ofE the NT domain, tried it with multiple usernames, including creating acB simple mapping (NT username = VMS username), all with no results. F There was nothing on the MS support sites that matched the problems we were seeing.  E I hope you don't mind if I ask a config question.... or maybe someone 1 else has gotten a PC working in this environment:r  F Using the hummingbird client and TCPIP V5.1eco4 NFS and PCNFS servers, we have the following:   VMS: t   TCPIP> show export1 File System                             Host nameu  ) /vfs/track                              *     9 TCPIP> show map     ! (This is also set in configuration)e"             Dynamic Filesystem Map; Pathname                                Logical File System   6 /vfs                                    FALCON$DKA200:     TCPIP> show proxyj  ; VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name1  3 TRACK             OND             1         333   *     4 The VMS account TRACK is UIC [333,1], home directory@ FALCON$DKA200:[TRACK] owned by [333,1], with full access to thatE directory and test files created in it.  We can't add "Administrator">D to the proxy database due to its length.  No 'default' access is set up.b  9 The PC has been tested with both a TRACK username and the)= ADMINISTRATOR username, both fail with the following messages  (respectively):0  7 rpc.pcnfsd: proxy database error 229c on VMS user track   - rpc.pcnfsd: no such VMS user as Administrator   ; Thanks for any assistance.  I'll keep pounding the manuals.B   Rich Jordan    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:35:23 +0500a4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>) Subject: Re[2]: X.25 programming questiona5 Message-ID: <11824387163.20020919183523@ncc.volga.ru>   : On 19.09.2002 labadie <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr> wrote:    C > "Valentin Likoum" <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru> wrote in message 1 > news:19817813991.20020919164551@ncc.volga.ru... 	 >> Hello,a >>G >>   I'm writing application which should handle multiple incoming x.25$I >> connections, but I can't realize how to do it. Documentation says that_H >> I should (mailbox stuff skipped) assign channel to NW device, declareE >> network process and accept incoming request on the same channel (Ie@ >> guess I should read and write data on the same channel thoughG >> documentation doesn't say it explicitly). But what happens when nextc2 >> incoming request will arrive? How to handle it?C >>   In DECnet and UCX I should assign _another_ channel to network.D >> device and pass it somehow to accept incoming call. So I have oneG >> listening channel on which I'm receiving incoming calls and multiplepG >> channels on which I exchange data with miltiple clients. The same is2G >> true for X.29 connections but not true for X.25 connections. So X.25 G >> API is not supposed to handle multiple incoming connections or what?c- >> Compaq X.25 for OpenVMS Alpha Systems v1.4e >>   Thank you.. >> > Hello   < > Have you had a look at all the examples in sys$examples: ? > do a > $ dir sys$examples:x2*.*  8   Sure, I checked there before asking, but there is only> X25$RECEIVE_xxx which could be interesting but it dedicated toF connecting to SYS$NET device (so one process per connection and singleD connection to handle inside the process). There are not examples for network process.   -- h
 Best regards, #  Valentin                          t   valentin.likoum at ncc.volga.ru   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:57:58 -0400H! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>e. Subject: Re: Saveset distribution over the web' Message-ID: <3D89D7E6.26BB0B09@vcu.edu>   C OUCH!!!!   I've never had the misfortune to use exchange at all, so. thanks for the heads up!!!!!  	 Jim Agnew    Roy Omond wrote: >  > Jim Agnew wrote: > J > > For my experience, I backup into a saveset, then zip it, then uuencodeJ > > it and i have NO problems whatsoever across all versions of vms, unix,G > > dos, windows.  my backup savesets get there as uuencode no problem.r > >L > > overkill, tho.. !!!! > D > My experience is the exact opposite of this.  Every time Micros**tA > Exchange is involved, it seems to uudecode anything that's beenP> > uuencoded (and makes a mess of the resulting file), which is@ > completely and utterly against the RFC's (try sending a *text*? > file that starts with a line that looks like a uuencoded filee$ > i.e. "begin 777 x.x" or whatever). >  > As always, YMMV. >  > Roy OmondO > Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:37:18 -0400m* From: Bob Supnik <bsupnik@nauticusnet.com>, Subject: SIMH 2.9-11: bug in tape simulation8 Message-ID: <apujouosrcve94ddng77ivmuimuo1o14ki@4ax.com>  D There is a bug in the TS11/TSV05 tape simulator that seems to affect= only VMS.  The symptom is that VMS can initialize and mount auA simulated tape, and copy data to it, but DIR shows the tape to bem empty.  % The detailed analysis goes like this.   B 1. For INIT, VMS writes three 80B records of tape header, two tapeF marks, and then two 80B records representing an empty file header, and two more tape marks.D 2. The COPY command rewinds the tape, reads the tape header, rewindsC the tape, reads the tape header again, spaces across the empty filerF header, backspaces one record, and starts writing.  Since this is pastE the double tape mark at the end of the tape header (it is between thehE tape marks at the end of the empty file header), the DIR command seesyD the double tape mark at the end of the tape header as logical end of tape.nC 3. In contrast, with a TMSCP tape (implemented in SIMH 2.10), afteraF spacing across the empty file header, the COPY command backspaces four@ tape marks (which is really BOT), spaces forward one record, and7 starts writing, thus rewriting part of the tape header.-@ 4. Unfortunately, while the TMSCP tape looks correct, when a DIRF command is given, the tape is read TWICE, and each file is read twice.  : So there are clearly bugs in both the TS11/TSV05 and TMSCPB simulations, which will take a while to trace down.  If anyone canE shed light on the interaction between COPY, RMS, the magtape ACP, and   the driver, it would be welcome.   /Bob Supnikl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:23:56 -0400e  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>0 Subject: Re: SIMH 2.9-11: bug in tape simulation5 Message-ID: <1020919131006.1922A-100000@Ives.egh.com>m  & On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bob Supnik wrote:  F > There is a bug in the TS11/TSV05 tape simulator that seems to affect? > only VMS.  The symptom is that VMS can initialize and mount ahC > simulated tape, and copy data to it, but DIR shows the tape to bee > empty. > ' > The detailed analysis goes like this.n > D > 1. For INIT, VMS writes three 80B records of tape header, two tapeH > marks, and then two 80B records representing an empty file header, and > two more tape marks.F > 2. The COPY command rewinds the tape, reads the tape header, rewindsE > the tape, reads the tape header again, spaces across the empty filenH > header, backspaces one record, and starts writing.  Since this is pastG > the double tape mark at the end of the tape header (it is between the,G > tape marks at the end of the empty file header), the DIR command sees.F > the double tape mark at the end of the tape header as logical end of > tape. E > 3. In contrast, with a TMSCP tape (implemented in SIMH 2.10), aftersH > spacing across the empty file header, the COPY command backspaces fourB > tape marks (which is really BOT), spaces forward one record, and9 > starts writing, thus rewriting part of the tape header.=B > 4. Unfortunately, while the TMSCP tape looks correct, when a DIRH > command is given, the tape is read TWICE, and each file is read twice.  D I have seen this weird double-listing problem in directory when yourF default device is a search list.  I'm not sure it happens when you are0 directorying a tape, but I think I have seen it.  C Normally, your default directory is only a search list when you are@D logged into SYSTEM.  Regular user accounts usually don't have search$ lists for their default directories.   Are you logged into SYSTEM?V  D BTW, if this is the case, it is probably a bug in RMS rather than inC DIRECTORY.  It might be documented in some obscure place, making it  a "feature."  A The issue with TS11/TSV05 may be where the driver leaves the tapeu> positioned after encountering the double tape-mark.  I seem to; recall that VMS drivers (or maybe some hardware I have onlya= encountered on VMS) backspaces to position itself between theLB two EOTs.  I had to hack around this somehow to get you positioned@ after the 2nd EOT when emulating RSTS/E tape handling in ROSS/V.   > < > So there are clearly bugs in both the TS11/TSV05 and TMSCPD > simulations, which will take a while to trace down.  If anyone canG > shed light on the interaction between COPY, RMS, the magtape ACP, and " > the driver, it would be welcome. > 
 > /Bob Supnik  >  >    -- A John Santosd Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:09:36 +0200M% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>i  Subject: Re: SMTP Authentication. Message-ID: <amc48i$3cj$1@info.service.rug.nl>  7 "Jan-Erik S=F6derholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message =e! news:3D87A61E.4548FFCF@aaa.com...L; > Isn't this "smtp authorization" thing done by having each[@ > smtp server doing a reverse DNS lookup on the name and addressE > presented by the calling side. If the address and name don't match,o% > the server don't accept the "call".n >=20 > Jan-Erik S=F6derholm.%  G No, smtp authentication is that a server offers the opportunity for theU< client to present a username/password. This could be used toH give trusted user some privileges (e.g., they are allowed to relay the = mail)=20 than untrusted users.E   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2002 12:52:13 GMT5 From: koehler@bessta.gsfc.nasa.aspm.gov (Bob Koehler)%" Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!/ Message-ID: <amch9t$8r0$1@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov>    In article <alsi9q$i08$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes:g >r >u >Bob Koehler wrote:I\ >> In article <alnqm4$kk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: >> 1 >> 1F >>    Why would a profitable group like OpenVMS need to make a stab at+ >>    dates for returning to profitability?e >> t >s3 >Because its part of a group thats losing more than0 >a million dollars a day.  >m8 >How do you stop the losses if you cannot grow revenues.  E    You get rid of the parts of the group that are loosing money.  You F    keep the parts that are making money.  Or you get damn sure you can    change the picture.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:32:28 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>:- Subject: Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?_C Message-ID: <g6mi9.393$q41.71@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>t  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KLRFIG6DTO9QUS7H@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... ' > > > So, why is C having such success?t > > F > >    Because that's what the kiddies comming out of school know, andJ > >    higher ups don't realize how bad it is, nor how easy it is to learn" > >    a new programming language. >-D > There is a very vicious circle here.  I once asked someone who wasB > responsible for computer hardware and software at an educationalF > institution why there is so much emphasis on C when Fortran would beG > more suitable for what they are doing (lots of FP-intensive numerical H > work, a history of Fortran use in this area, instructors knowledgeableE > in Fortran etc).  The reply was "most of our students don't stay intJ > research but go into industry, and their job prospects are better with C > than with Fortran".o >iH > Substitute "VMS" for "Fortran" and "unix or windows" for "C" above andH > you will see why HP needs to make more than a token effort to get back > into the educational market. >oE > As in many other cases, whether or not the job prospects are really D > better, whether or not they should be etc are irrelevant---what isI > relevant is the perception.  (Of course, step 2 is to educate people sor > that perception = reality).e >AF > Compaq touted the "success" of the new educational license programmeG > with the "number of institutes" which had signed up.  In at least one/E > that I know of and probably in many other cases, this meant one guy-H > signing up so that he could legally use some DEC equipment left aroundB > from the Good Old Days when they subscribed to DECcampus and allH > students learned VMS.  The way they should measure success (not enoughJ > to tout yet) is to count the number of students who, as a result of HP'sH > efforts in education, learn enough VMS to be able to get a job because, > of that (whether or not they actually do).    L I hope that Carly and Marcello read this post and do something positive with it.     C Years ago, I wrote a series of applications in APL for fixed incomejJ analytics. One of our competitors also wrote a similar app in C. They wentG around promoting it as being written in a 'fourth-generation language'.s  F You would not believe how many customers bought that line of crap. TheK customers liked our app better but more bought the one written in C because0K they thought that C was somehow *better* for dealing with cash flow vectorstB than APL. Bad marketing on our part, because perception = reality.  J We could add features to the application at a customer site if required toI customize the apps for them - on the spot - before their eyes. The C guyss= would take weeks to implement a change. We had time-to-market ! advantages...they had perception.:  K Using DEC APL, we could selectively replace certain function written in APLeC and substitute VAX Fortran functions courtesy of the standard callssC engineered into VMS and the languages, thus speeding up the overalleL execution times while still retaining flexibility where it counted. With APLK we could model financial scenarios and act on them before the opportunities G disappeared from the marketplace. The C guys were always late with thatn capability.a  H So don't let me hear anyone say that the financial industry is populatedL with the 'best and the brightest'. They are just as much a bunch of sheep as& occurs in any other field of endeavor.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:10:05 +0000 2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>- Subject: Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?e2 Message-ID: <20020919161005.D954@eisenschmidt.org>  B Unless the Voices are Mistaken, John Smith (a@nonymous.com) Wrote: > H > "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message7 > news:01KLRFIG6DTO9QUS7H@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...n) > > > > So, why is C having such success?C > > >sH > > >    Because that's what the kiddies comming out of school know, andL > > >    higher ups don't realize how bad it is, nor how easy it is to learn$ > > >    a new programming language. > > F > > There is a very vicious circle here.  I once asked someone who wasD > > responsible for computer hardware and software at an educationalH > > institution why there is so much emphasis on C when Fortran would beI > > more suitable for what they are doing (lots of FP-intensive numericalsJ > > work, a history of Fortran use in this area, instructors knowledgeableG > > in Fortran etc).  The reply was "most of our students don't stay inrL > > research but go into industry, and their job prospects are better with C > > than with Fortran".n > >eJ > > Substitute "VMS" for "Fortran" and "unix or windows" for "C" above andJ > > you will see why HP needs to make more than a token effort to get back  > > into the educational market. > >yG > > As in many other cases, whether or not the job prospects are reallygF > > better, whether or not they should be etc are irrelevant---what isK > > relevant is the perception.  (Of course, step 2 is to educate people soo > > that perception = reality).c > >dH > > Compaq touted the "success" of the new educational license programmeI > > with the "number of institutes" which had signed up.  In at least oneaG > > that I know of and probably in many other cases, this meant one guyaJ > > signing up so that he could legally use some DEC equipment left aroundD > > from the Good Old Days when they subscribed to DECcampus and allJ > > students learned VMS.  The way they should measure success (not enoughL > > to tout yet) is to count the number of students who, as a result of HP'sJ > > efforts in education, learn enough VMS to be able to get a job because. > > of that (whether or not they actually do). > N > I hope that Carly and Marcello read this post and do something positive with > it.M > E > Years ago, I wrote a series of applications in APL for fixed incomehL > analytics. One of our competitors also wrote a similar app in C. They wentI > around promoting it as being written in a 'fourth-generation language'.e  F What a load of crap, unless they were using a code generator that spitD out C. C/C++/Java/etc are all 3GL languages, just like APL, Fortran, etc.  H > You would not believe how many customers bought that line of crap. TheM > customers liked our app better but more bought the one written in C becauserM > they thought that C was somehow *better* for dealing with cash flow vectors D > than APL. Bad marketing on our part, because perception = reality.  D You know, I'm starting to wonder if people aren't better of shippingD binaries and lying where possible. You give someone source, they getD to know what it's written our. You ship binaries, they don't (unlessA they decompile it, which 1/2 of 1/10 of 1% might do). Our current ? payroll system is a Windows app, and the people here *love* it.   E It's written in FoxPro. It's a Win16 app. It's junk. But because theyd? don't *know* that it's written in FoxPro, they can pretend it'sAC written in Visual Object Turbo Quick C-#-#-# (that's "sharp, sharp,h sharp").  L > We could add features to the application at a customer site if required toK > customize the apps for them - on the spot - before their eyes. The C guys ? > would take weeks to implement a change. We had time-to-market # > advantages...they had perception.I  F My other new idea: don't give customers the ability to write their own; code, only your consultants can modify it at $200+ an hour.a  M > Using DEC APL, we could selectively replace certain function written in APL E > and substitute VAX Fortran functions courtesy of the standard calls E > engineered into VMS and the languages, thus speeding up the overall N > execution times while still retaining flexibility where it counted. With APLM > we could model financial scenarios and act on them before the opportunities I > disappeared from the marketplace. The C guys were always late with thatd
 > capability.  > J > So don't let me hear anyone say that the financial industry is populatedN > with the 'best and the brightest'. They are just as much a bunch of sheep as( > occurs in any other field of endeavor.  E Oh Christ, here here. I'm finding that what people want to buy is thesC worst system they can find for the most money, and I'm not kidding.   B I was at a user conference this past Friday for our new (terrible)D financial system. It's written in 4GL/Hybrid COBOL (4GL because theyF use their own 4GL to generate either COBOL or RPG, Hybrid because theyE hybridize the Merant COBOL Runtime environment and interpret the codeiC at run time). A gentlemen I was talking to told me they looked at 5.F other systems other than this one, and the one they really wanted they9 didn't buy. It was a bucket-based system, so queries wereaH instantaneous, transactions were fast in general,good reporting, in his  words "very slick"..  C Why didn't they buy it? It's was 1/10 the cost of the other systemss= they were looking at. He thought "something had to be wrong"..   So the moral is: 	-Write bad code* 	-Do it in a popular (but clunky) language 	-Only ship binaries4 	-Rape the customer on consulting and implementation 		-Be slow about your work 		-Charge for everything  0 And you will one day be rich beyond your dreams.   -- o/ John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>cC    Public Key   |  http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/pgp.asctD    Fingerprint  |  5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2J Is this mail an attachment? http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:30:15 -0230M, From: "Jeff Barnes" <barnesjw@dfo-mpo.gc.ca># Subject: Wildcard for Delete /entry , Message-ID: <cqni9.2770$i%.717724@localhost>  L How do I delete all the pending jobs for a particular queue using the delete@ /entry= command?  Is there a /entry= <wildcard> for OpenVMS 6.2?  % Forgive the rookie VMS type question.U   Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:31:18 GMTr4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>' Subject: Re: Wildcard for Delete /entryf0 Message-ID: <3D8A081E.CE471B12@blueyonder.co.uk>   Jeff Barnes wrote: > N > How do I delete all the pending jobs for a particular queue using the deleteB > /entry= command?  Is there a /entry= <wildcard> for OpenVMS 6.2? > ' > Forgive the rookie VMS type question.e >  > Thanks    H You need to write a .COM that uses f$getqui to retrieve the entry numberK for each entry in the queue in a loop then issues a $delete/entry= for each0 entry found.  : There are some examples in the documentation for f$getqui.  G Maybe there is some freeware version of this somewhere already written.:   regards  -- m tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk i  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:45:51 +0500O4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>" Subject: X.25 programming question5 Message-ID: <19817813991.20020919164551@ncc.volga.ru>l   Hello,  D   I'm writing application which should handle multiple incoming x.25F connections, but I can't realize how to do it. Documentation says thatE I should (mailbox stuff skipped) assign channel to NW device, declaredB network process and accept incoming request on the same channel (I= guess I should read and write data on the same channel though.D documentation doesn't say it explicitly). But what happens when next/ incoming request will arrive? How to handle it? @   In DECnet and UCX I should assign _another_ channel to networkA device and pass it somehow to accept incoming call. So I have oneeD listening channel on which I'm receiving incoming calls and multipleD channels on which I exchange data with miltiple clients. The same isD true for X.29 connections but not true for X.25 connections. So X.25D API is not supposed to handle multiple incoming connections or what?* Compaq X.25 for OpenVMS Alpha Systems v1.4   Thank you.    -- l
 Best regards, #  Valentin                          o   valentin.likoum at ncc.volga.ru   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:03:56 GMTs- From: "labadie" <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr>a& Subject: Re: X.25 programming question2 Message-ID: <M2ji9.13$bL5.274564@news.cpqcorp.net>  A "Valentin Likoum" <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru> wrote in messagee/ news:19817813991.20020919164551@ncc.volga.ru...s > Hello, >cF >   I'm writing application which should handle multiple incoming x.25H > connections, but I can't realize how to do it. Documentation says thatG > I should (mailbox stuff skipped) assign channel to NW device, declare!D > network process and accept incoming request on the same channel (I? > guess I should read and write data on the same channel thoughnF > documentation doesn't say it explicitly). But what happens when next1 > incoming request will arrive? How to handle it?eB >   In DECnet and UCX I should assign _another_ channel to networkC > device and pass it somehow to accept incoming call. So I have one F > listening channel on which I'm receiving incoming calls and multipleF > channels on which I exchange data with miltiple clients. The same isF > true for X.29 connections but not true for X.25 connections. So X.25F > API is not supposed to handle multiple incoming connections or what?, > Compaq X.25 for OpenVMS Alpha Systems v1.4 >   Thank you. >t Hello   : Have you had a look at all the examples in sys$examples: ? do a $ dir sys$examples:x2*.*   Regards    Grard   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.518 ************************