1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 21 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 521       Contents: Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article) RE: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal ) Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal  Re: BASIC (bug?) Re: CLD question$ Contract VMS Sys Admin Job Available( Re: Contract VMS Sys Admin Job Available( Re: Contract VMS Sys Admin Job Available3 Contract VMS Sys Admin Job Available (in Barcelona)  Date/Time math in DCL  Date/time math in DCL  Re: Date/time math in DCL 6 Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be) RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: EDIT question. RE: EDIT question. Re: EDIT question. Re: EDIT question.P ETS is only a couple of weeks away - Leper colony - how many of you are attendin Re: Fortran and UnixP RE: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS  Advanced TP RE: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS  Advanced TP Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te Re: ftp client API for C++ ftp client API for C++ Re: ftp client API for C++0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?" How to run a C program on VAX/VMS?& Re: How to run a C program on VAX/VMS?& Re: How to run a C program on VAX/VMS? Re: HP website integration Re: HP website integration Re: Marketing suggestion Marketing suggestion Re: Marketing suggestion Re: Marketing suggestion Re: Marketing suggestion Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. Re: OpenVMS SIG 0 Re: Oracle RDB 8.0 = Oracle RDB for Itanium ???? OT: Tablet PC x Microsoft x SUN ! Printing to Sharp Imager from VMS ' Re: SIMH 2.9-11: bug in tape simulation ! Suggestion for VMS: mime type API % Re: Suggestion for VMS: mime type API % Re: Suggestion for VMS: mime type API ' Re: sys$Pipe and DCL$PATH documentation : TCPIP$TELNETSYM characteristics varying on per-queue basis VMS Alpha and sound.0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)' Re: What is happening to the industry ? ' Re: What is happening to the industry ?  Re: Wildcard for Delete /entry2 Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?2 Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?2 Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?2 Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?2 Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:13:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: "inview" Article , Message-ID: <3D8B654F.31F13EA1@videotron.ca>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:* > Hang on web/apps/DBMS you need all three* > Linux doesnt' cut it as a DBMS OS so you/ > need a commercial OS to host the layer in you / > infrastructure that stores your state (DBMS).   K Oracle's current mazine has a full page Add (from Oracle) with a big title:    	"UNVREAKABLE LINUX"  J Then a graphic showing 4 19" racks and 2 storage arrays all connected on a single backbone.' subtitle: 4 computer cluster with Linux   % text: Everyone knows Linux costs less % Now it's faster and more reliable too    http://oracle.com/ad   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2002 15:52:32 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: "inview" Article 3 Message-ID: <XMafMqMBmVAx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <amev6b$mio$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:4 > This is directly in line with my previous comments" > or handn't your worked that out.  H    Your previous comments were anti-Linux.  Now your comments are to theB    effect only Sun does Linux right.  You been seeing the Colonel?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:56:17 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 2 Subject: RE: Announcment OpenVMS Technical JournalT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D966D@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  < Some "walk down memory lane" articles:(long url's will wrap)F http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJ301/DTJ301SC.TXT HBVS  3 http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/ E "The DIGITAL Technical Journal has ceased publication, but all of the & back issues are archived at this site.  H Since 1985, the Journal has been privileged to publish information about> engineering accomplishments significant for DIGITAL, includingH standards-setting network and storage technologies, industry-leading VAX@ systems, record-breaking Alpha microprocessors and semiconductorF technologies, and advanced application software and performance tools.G The editors thank the engineers who somehow made the time to write, the E engineering managers who supported them, the consulting engineers and C professors who reviewed manuscripts and made the process a learning H experience for all of us, and, of course, the readers who are the reason0 the Journal came into existence in 13 years ago.  & Click here for a list of back issues."    H http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJ000/dtj-back-issue s.htm (Back issues)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----) From: sasadmin [mailto:jec@nospam.net]=20   Sent: September 18, 2002 7:11 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 Subject: Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal    7 "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:   D > I am pleased to announce our new OpenVMS Technical Journal. The=20G > OpenVMS Technical Journal is designed for and by OpenVMS Technical=20 B > Experts. Articles in this journal will be focused on detailed=20< > technical information on OpenVMS and related technologies. >=20E > We plan to publish two issues yearly, with our first issue to be=20 H > published in early 2003. If you would like to submit an article for=20F > the premier issue, or subscribe to this electronic journal please=206 > visit http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/journal/ >=20F > If you have any questions regarding the OpenVMS Technical Journal=20A > please do not hesitate to contact Susan Skonetski, Editor at=20 . > 603-884-2807 or email Susan.Skonetski@hp.com >=20 > Best Regards,  >=20< > Mark Gorham Vice President OpenVMS Systems Hewlett-Packard >=20A > Phone: 603-884-0118 FAX: 603-884-2006 email: mark.gorham@hp.com  >=209 > Executive Assistant: Susan Christie Phone: 603-884-0100  >=20 >=20 >=20  G Ok group, ante up. Opening bid: DTJ #5, "VAXcluster Systems", obtained, " I think at a winter Anaheim Decus.   Partial contents: C         The VAXCluster Concept: An Overview of a Distributed System ,         Kronenberg, Levy, Strecker, Merewood  B         The Design and Implementation of a Distributed File System         Goldstein   -         The System Communication Architecture 
         Duffy      Cheers,    jec    --=20  Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:45:41 -0600 ( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com>2 Subject: Re: Announcment OpenVMS Technical Journal+ Message-ID: <3D8BB325.BF6ECE88@ecubics.com>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > > Some "walk down memory lane" articles:(long url's will wrap)H > http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJ301/DTJ301SC.TXT > HBVS > 5 > http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/ G > "The DIGITAL Technical Journal has ceased publication, but all of the ( > back issues are archived at this site.   "all of the back issues" ?  - There is nothing about any DTJ before 1991 :(    cheers   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:00:47 +0100 4 From: "Chris Townley" <news_ac@townleyc.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: BASIC (bug?) 4 Message-ID: <amgbt4$khk$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  1 "Karl Puder" <karl.puder@hp.com> wrote in message   news:3D89EDB1.3A19E408@hp.com... > Greetings: > K > The explanation included below is generally correct. I would just like to  point J > out that this is, in fact, a feature, not a bug. (-: What else would you expectL > from an engineer supporting this product? :-) The only thing I want to add is to E > point out the kind of distinction that the compiler is making here.  > I > When a statement defines a constant, it is telling the compiler "When I  say L > 'false', I really mean '0'". Like #define in C. When a statement defines aH > variable (or a routine or ...), it is telling the compiler "Write some records J > in the object file to allocate storage at image activation, and tell the linkerJ > to connect all other uses of this name to whatever address that is going to land  > on". > J > Because a repetition of the former is not inconsistent, it is convenient for the F > user if the compiler is silent. A repetition of the latter, however, producesI > multiple run-time addresses with the same name, so even if the compiler  were to ) > let it pass, the linker would complain.  >  I would still call this a bug.  K Surely a good compiler should prevent the programmer from getting it wrong.  As farK as I am concerned any programmer who re-defines a constant with a different 	 data type L has probably got it wrong. Compaq basic generally doesnt mind if you you use a compatibleL but different data type for a constant - but multiple definitions are surely wrong.   --
 Chris Townley  @well.known.spam.address   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:23:41 +0000 (UTC) - From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)  Subject: Re: CLD question . Message-ID: <amfp3d$q13$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes in article <3D8AF713.980A0977@videotron.ca> dated Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:23:41 -0400: O >Is there a trick to do this ? Are there VMS commands which behave as above (so * >I could use VERB to see how it is done) ?  J The "SHOW SYMBOL" command comes pretty close to what you're looking for, I think.   $ SHOW SYMBOL /ALL $ SHOW SYMBOL symbolname   define syntax SHOW_SYMBOL +    cliroutine SHOWSYMBL, cliflags(nostatus)     prefix CLI$K_SHSY_     parameter P1, label=OPTION        value (required)     parameter P2, prompt="Symbol""       value (required,type=$insym)!    qualifier GLOBAL, nonnegatable        placement=positional     qualifier LOCAL, nonnegatable       placement=positional7    qualifier ALL, syntax=SHOW_ALL_SYMBOLS, nonnegatable        placement=positional    qualifier LOG   define syntax SHOW_ALL_SYMBOLS    parameter P1, label=OPTION        value (required)  J In any case, you do have the option of making the CLD syntax as generic asH needed and generating esoteric syntax errors from the app.  This is lessL efficient because the application image must be loaded in some cases just toF find out you have a syntax error, but image loading overhead is not as7 significant as it was when DCL was originally designed.   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org  PGP key available.          > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:59:19 GMT 0 From: rickm@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rick Millhollin)- Subject: Contract VMS Sys Admin Job Available 1 Message-ID: <3d8b6ef8.961451213@news.uoregon.edu>   F The IT Director at our local school district in Eugene, Oregon sent meE the following.  If anybody is interested, please reply to me and I'll  forward it to him.  E We are looking for someone to assist the Eugene School District on a  D contractual basis. We are running an Alpha 8200 running the OpenVMS D operating system. We are looking for someone to evaluate our system,C make  recommendations for tuning, perform tuning, upgrade software, F and be  available from time to time for additional work. Our immediateA problem is a  general system slowness that is really affecting us  beginning this fall.    1 Rick Millhollin, Director of Computing Facilities @ University of Oregon Computing Center, Eugene, Oregon 97403-12120 Phone: (541)346-1730  FAX: (541)346-6438 or 4397C E-mail: rickm123@oregon456.uoregon789.edu (remove anti-spam digits)    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:06:16 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>1 Subject: Re: Contract VMS Sys Admin Job Available @ Message-ID: <20020920190616.91049.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>   There is this guy below:        
 Greetings!  3      I was recently involved in a major downsizing,  and I am seeking4 employment.  If there is anyone who knows of any VMS openings or 4 anything that may be appropriate for a person with a MS degree in1 Computer Science and 15 years of VMS experience.   Apparently this 6 layoff was primarily due to the financial state of our company, and5 also due to the fact that they do not plan to use VMS  in the future.  2 I would be more than happy to forward my resume on request. Thank you so much for any help or ideas.   Thanks   Rick Nickles chinachowchow@mailcity.com      5 --- Rick Millhollin <rickm@oregon.uoregon.edu> wrote: 1 > The IT Director at our local school district in  > Eugene, Oregon sent me2 > the following.  If anybody is interested, please > reply to me and I'll > forward it to him. > 1 > We are looking for someone to assist the Eugene  > School District on a  1 > contractual basis. We are running an Alpha 8200  > running the OpenVMS 1 > operating system. We are looking for someone to  > evaluate our system,3 > make  recommendations for tuning, perform tuning,  > upgrade software, 4 > and be  available from time to time for additional > work. Our immediate 6 > problem is a  general system slowness that is really > affecting us > beginning this fall. >  > 3 > Rick Millhollin, Director of Computing Facilities 0 > University of Oregon Computing Center, Eugene, > Oregon 97403-1212 2 > Phone: (541)346-1730  FAX: (541)346-6438 or 43973 > E-mail: rickm123@oregon456.uoregon789.edu (remove  > anti-spam digits)      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!  http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:26:20 +0000 2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>1 Subject: Re: Contract VMS Sys Admin Job Available 4 Message-ID: <20020920192620.C28597@eisenschmidt.org>  1 Hrmm...I'm seeing a new newsgroups in our future:    comp.os.vms.personals   D "Recently downsized SWM with 15 years experience seeks single VAX orA Alpha for short term relationship, with the possibility of LTR. I ? enjoy long walks, sunsets, ALL-IN-ONE, FMS Form Design, solving ? classic computer science problems in MACRO32, and wine tasting. C Non-smoker preffered, polyamorous relationship will be considered."    OR  F "Six-year old Divorced Purple Alpha in Fresno, CA seeks single male orK  female VMS admin for high intensity good times. Looking for someone who=20 K can make me live to the fullest of my potential, while not overinflating=20  my pagefile.  ? You: Commited, faithful, sense of good design practice and high 
 availability.   C Me: I can offer the weath of knowledge my RA7000 has to provide, in A addition to conversations in COBOL, FORTRAN, BASIC, Pascal, Java,  C/C++, and Perl.    . Hobbiests need not apply - I'm for real baby."    J Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Fabio Cardoso (fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br) = Wrote: > There is this guy below: >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Greetings! >=205 >      I was recently involved in a major downsizing,  > and I am seeking6 > employment.  If there is anyone who knows of any VMS
 > openings or 6 > anything that may be appropriate for a person with a > MS degree in5 > Computer Science and 15 years of VMS experience.=20  > Apparently this 8 > layoff was primarily due to the financial state of our > company, and7 > also due to the fact that they do not plan to use VMS  > in the future. =204 > I would be more than happy to forward my resume on > request. Thank you  > so much for any help or ideas. >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Rick Nickles > chinachowchow@mailcity.com >=20 >=20 >=207 > --- Rick Millhollin <rickm@oregon.uoregon.edu> wrote: 3 > > The IT Director at our local school district in  > > Eugene, Oregon sent me4 > > the following.  If anybody is interested, please > > reply to me and I'll > > forward it to him. > >=203 > > We are looking for someone to assist the Eugene  > > School District on a=20 3 > > contractual basis. We are running an Alpha 8200  > > running the OpenVMS=203 > > operating system. We are looking for someone to  > > evaluate our system,5 > > make  recommendations for tuning, perform tuning,  > > upgrade software, 6 > > and be  available from time to time for additional > > work. Our immediate 8 > > problem is a  general system slowness that is really > > affecting us > > beginning this fall. > >=20 > >=205 > > Rick Millhollin, Director of Computing Facilities 2 > > University of Oregon Computing Center, Eugene, > > Oregon 97403-1212 4 > > Phone: (541)346-1730  FAX: (541)346-6438 or 43975 > > E-mail: rickm123@oregon456.uoregon789.edu (remove  > > anti-spam digits)  >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D K > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=  =3D=3D > F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=  =3D=3D >=204 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?+ > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!  > http://sbc.yahoo.com   --=20 / John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> C    Public Key   |  http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/pgp.asc D    Fingerprint  |  5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2J Is this mail an attachment? http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.htm= l    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:17:01 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>< Subject: Contract VMS Sys Admin Job Available (in Barcelona)@ Message-ID: <20020921011701.12591.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>  2 There is a position in Barcelona for 1 month in an- insurance company (by Manpower). Any european * interested  ? I am, but I dont go to Spain to get a one month job ! ! !    j http://www.infojobs.net/visualizar_oferta.cfm?masinfo=si&of_codigo=387786324525920220200108374223&palabra=   Regards    FC     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!  http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:27:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Date/Time math in DCL, Message-ID: <3D8BCB17.350A6334@videotron.ca>  G Foraging through some allin1 command procedures, I found the following:   * newtime = F$cvtime("+00:02","COMPARISION")  2 (this is done to check something 2 minutes later).  N So it does seem possible to do some math ...  (just tough about this since theC question was asked not to long ago and I stumbled on this snippet).    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:31:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Date/time math in DCL, Message-ID: <3D8BCC01.946210A5@videotron.ca>  G Foraging through some allin1 command procedures, I found the following:   - start_time = F$cvtime("+00:02","COMPARISION")  <lots of code>$ end_time = F$cvtime("","COMPARISON")  L if end_time .les. start_time then write sys$output "Took less than 2 minutes to execute"     I So it does seem that DCL does have some capabilities to manipulate times.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:48:01 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: Date/time math in DCL' Message-ID: <3D8BD56D.9591852C@fsi.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  > I > Foraging through some allin1 command procedures, I found the following:  > / > start_time = F$cvtime("+00:02","COMPARISION")  > <lots of code>& > end_time = F$cvtime("","COMPARISON") > N > if end_time .les. start_time then write sys$output "Took less than 2 minutes
 > to execute"  > K > So it does seem that DCL does have some capabilities to manipulate times.   	 Try this:   $ $ start_time = f$cvtime( ,, "time" ) $ wait 00:01:15.25" $ end_time = f$cvtime( ,, "time" )= $ duration = f$cvtime( "''end_time'-''start_time'",, "time" )  $ show symbol duration  B That works, though it only deals in times, not dates. It will workA across day boundaries. 00:35:20-23:55:57 will return the expected D result, but durations of more than 24 hours do not work correctly. ID have never come up with a workable solution to that problem that was3 shorter than the procedure I was trying to measure.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:38:27 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ? Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery (as this thread now seems to be) H Message-ID: <nzMi9.69090$8b1.66104@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message / news:amfk17$5iirs$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de... B >> Again, good point, but depnedant on many other factors.  I have
 gas/steam.F > No distribution problem at all.  Steam expands and rises to fill the system. A > 30 years ago I was living in an apartment rented from a heating  contractor. D > Hot water system.  One morning we got up to a cold apartment.  The circulation L > pump motor had died.  My landlord came in a single component from the pipeH > system and thermal current circulated the hot water.  Only problem was lackJ > of regulation which meant it actually got warmer than the setting on the
 > thermostat.  > & > Forced hot air is a looser, I guess.  H Forgot about steam - passive circulation. Makes one long for Roman timesJ when some public baths where heated by having a fire in a crawlspace underL the building and by using double-wall construction, hot air was convected in( the resulting air gap between the walls.    H > It would have to rise by a rather astonishing amount (several 100%) in order ) > to be worth that kind of an investment.   F Just wait to see if the price of oil spikes this winter...natural gas,F propane, and electricity will follow suit, more or less based on ThermK equivalents. A 3-5 year payback on a new, more efficient furnace isn't such L a bad deal if you are planning to stay in your house for any length of time.    G > > goverment offered you a subsidy to upgrade, eg. possibly as part of  > > ratifying the Kyoto Accord.  > H > Sorry, I work for a living.  The government is never going ot offer to( > buy me a new furnace or anything else.  
 [politics]= If the gov't. manadated SUV fuel economy to fall in the 'car' J classification, and if there were subsidies available to home and buildingF owners to upgrade insulation and install more fuel efficient furnaces,K etc..., then the Saudi's et. al. could be told to 'eat sand'. At a national H level, the payback would probably be 5 years, but for an economy that isL obsessed with quarterly earnings reports that is far too long a time horizonK to do something sensible. US involvement in Mideast politics would be a lot 7 simpler if the oil weapon wasn't held over the economy.  [/politics]        > > I > >> But it really doesn't matter.  It is unlikely that more than a small H > >> handful of people took any real precautions during the beginning ofJ > >> the storm beyond emptying the shelves at the local food store. (WhichL > >> then leaves the question, "How did they plan on opening all that cannedB > >> food when the electric can opener was no longer working?" :-) > > 2 > > For those with foresight, Swiss Army knife.... > J > Swiss Army Knife!!  Hahahahahahahaha,  Just last week I watched 5 peopleI > here in the office try to figure out how to use a normal mechanical can K > opener.  None of them understood the theory enough to tell that it wasn't J > going to work on the can they were trying to open (lip was too thin).  IK > finally whipped out the Army P38 can oipener I have been carrying with me , > for 35 years and had it opened in seconds. > L > >                                                 for others, a hammer and a 	 > > nail.  > H > I would love to watch most people try that.  6 hours later with tomatoE > soup splattered all over the walls and ceiling it would look like a 9 > scene from "The Shining" and they still be hungry.  :-)     J As in clusters and can openers, to steal a phrase from the Boy Scouts, 'Be
 Prepared'.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:57:49 -0400 5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> ' Subject: RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters O Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D506B8DC@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   K the solution not requiring a third building either requires that you pick 1 L machine that can survive w/o the other (if it dies, then you get nothing) orL reuires manual intervention.  There is no other way of doing this that I can	 think of.    -----Original Message-----5 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]    Sent: September 20, 2002 2:06 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters      Phillip Helbig wrote: A > No, A in building 1, B in building 2 AND C (QUORUM MACHINE) IN   > BUILDING 3!!!   D The problem with this is that many companies may not have building 3L available. Yes, if you're talking about the remaining VMS customer base madeI up of large corporations with sopare wildfire equipment, the 3rd building  isn't a problem.  C But if VMS is ever to return to the bigger markets of mid and small K business, then perhaps a solution not requiring the 3rd building might make  VMS very attractive.    I The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and J confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s)L named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agentF responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, anyK review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is J strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theH original message. Please note that for certain accounts we do not acceptK orders and/or instructions by e-mail, and for those accounts we will not be L responsible for carrying out such orders and/or instructions. Kindly refrainL from sending orders or instructions by e-mail unless you have confirmed thatH we accept such communications for your account. Please also note that toJ satisfy regulatory requirements we review the outgoing and incoming e-mail: correspondence of staff members serving certain functions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:44:48 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ' Subject: RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A27@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,   5 The issue of 3 sites is not specifically a VMS thing.   E The issue is that if A or B suddenly don't agree on who is in charge, H someone has to referee and make a decision. If building B is holding twoH votes and it goes away, then A does not know if it should continue or go
 away as well.   H Three is the magic number when it comes to multiple control systems - inH a previous lifetime, I worked in a Nuclear station (control systems) andC all of the important reactor systems had triplicated monitoring and @ control systems. Its one of the reasons why Nuke stations are so2 terribly expensive to build (cheap to run though).  C If one gauge in the control room showed something in an area of the B plant as being way off scale, the operator looked at the other two# gauges monitoring the same area.=20   F If there were only 2 gauges, which one should the Operator believe?=20  * Ok, ok - Homer Simpson would know, I know.   :-)   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]=20   Sent: September 20, 2002 2:06 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters      Phillip Helbig wrote: C > No, A in building 1, B in building 2 AND C (QUORUM MACHINE) IN=20  > BUILDING 3!!!   D The problem with this is that many companies may not have building 3G available. Yes, if you're talking about the remaining VMS customer base E made up of large corporations with sopare wildfire equipment, the 3rd  building isn't a problem.   C But if VMS is ever to return to the bigger markets of mid and small F business, then perhaps a solution not requiring the 3rd building might make VMS very attractive.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:58:03 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>' Subject: RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters @ Message-ID: <20020920185803.21959.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>  $ I never imagined Homer Simpson as an OpenVMS  Ambassador ! ! ! (8-)   Regards    FC  , --- "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote: > JF,  > 0 > The issue of 3 sites is not specifically a VMS > thing. > 5 > The issue is that if A or B suddenly don't agree on  > who is in charge, 0 > someone has to referee and make a decision. If > building B is holding two 4 > votes and it goes away, then A does not know if it > should continue or go  > away as well.  > 5 > Three is the magic number when it comes to multiple  > control systems - in4 > a previous lifetime, I worked in a Nuclear station > (control systems) and 6 > all of the important reactor systems had triplicated > monitoring and2 > control systems. Its one of the reasons why Nuke > stations are so 4 > terribly expensive to build (cheap to run though). > 6 > If one gauge in the control room showed something in > an area of the6 > plant as being way off scale, the operator looked at > the other two # > gauges monitoring the same area.   > 3 > If there were only 2 gauges, which one should the  > Operator believe?  > , > Ok, ok - Homer Simpson would know, I know. >  > :-)  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > Hewlett-Packard Canada# > Consulting & Integration Services  > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax   : 613-591-4477 > Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com >  >  > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca] > " > Sent: September 20, 2002 2:06 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters  >  >  > Phillip Helbig wrote: 6 > > No, A in building 1, B in building 2 AND C (QUORUM > MACHINE) IN  > > BUILDING 3!!!  > 6 > The problem with this is that many companies may not > have building 3 - > available. Yes, if you're talking about the  > remaining VMS customer base 4 > made up of large corporations with sopare wildfire > equipment, the 3rd > building isn't a problem.  > 4 > But if VMS is ever to return to the bigger markets > of mid and small5 > business, then perhaps a solution not requiring the  > 3rd building might > make VMS very attractive.      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!  http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:18:44 -0400 ; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> ' Subject: RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusterstK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEAEB@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   + Does that mean that VMS clustering inspirede  2 "Three is the number to which thou shalt count..."   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----. From: "Main; Kerry" [mailto:Kerry.Main@hp.com]( Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 2:44 PM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" ' Subject: RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusterse     JF,e  5 The issue of 3 sites is not specifically a VMS thing.e  E The issue is that if A or B suddenly don't agree on who is in charge, H someone has to referee and make a decision. If building B is holding twoH votes and it goes away, then A does not know if it should continue or go
 away as well.e  H Three is the magic number when it comes to multiple control systems - inH a previous lifetime, I worked in a Nuclear station (control systems) andC all of the important reactor systems had triplicated monitoring andp@ control systems. Its one of the reasons why Nuke stations are so2 terribly expensive to build (cheap to run though).  C If one gauge in the control room showed something in an area of theVB plant as being way off scale, the operator looked at the other two  gauges monitoring the same area.  C If there were only 2 gauges, which one should the Operator believe?e  * Ok, ok - Homer Simpson would know, I know.   :-)   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanta Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration ServicesM Voice: 613-592-4660C Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]  Sent: September 20, 2002 2:06 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comg' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters      Phillip Helbig wrote:u@ > No, A in building 1, B in building 2 AND C (QUORUM MACHINE) IN > BUILDING 3!!!   D The problem with this is that many companies may not have building 3G available. Yes, if you're talking about the remaining VMS customer base E made up of large corporations with sopare wildfire equipment, the 3rdr building isn't a problem.u  C But if VMS is ever to return to the bigger markets of mid and smalloF business, then perhaps a solution not requiring the 3rd building might make VMS very attractive.e   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2002 19:23:34 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clustersp5 Message-ID: <amfsjm$5jpde$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>i  , In article <3D8B6385.582BC33F@videotron.ca>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Phillip Helbig wrote:rJ >> No, A in building 1, B in building 2 AND C (QUORUM MACHINE) IN BUILDING >> 3!!!C > F > The problem with this is that many companies may not have building 3N > available. Yes, if you're talking about the remaining VMS customer base madeK > up of large corporations with sopare wildfire equipment, the 3rd building. > isn't a problem. > O > But if VMS is ever to return to the bigger markets of mid and small business,nX > then perhaps a solution not requiring the 3rd building might make VMS very attractive.  D Why couldn't "building 3" be the basement of the IT Managers house??A Wasn't it stated that this 3rd machine needed for Quorum could be = small and wouldn't actually do any of the work??  An XP1000??a   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2002 15:51:17 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)s' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clustersn3 Message-ID: <$NvAEaB7QmJE@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  ` In article <amfsjm$5jpde$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:. > In article <3D8B6385.582BC33F@videotron.ca>,2 > 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >> Phillip Helbig wrote:K >>> No, A in building 1, B in building 2 AND C (QUORUM MACHINE) IN BUILDINGu >>> 3!!! >> eG >> The problem with this is that many companies may not have building 3 O >> available. Yes, if you're talking about the remaining VMS customer base madeAL >> up of large corporations with sopare wildfire equipment, the 3rd building >> isn't a problem.1 >> iP >> But if VMS is ever to return to the bigger markets of mid and small business,Y >> then perhaps a solution not requiring the 3rd building might make VMS very attractive.r > F > Why couldn't "building 3" be the basement of the IT Managers house??C > Wasn't it stated that this 3rd machine needed for Quorum could bes? > small and wouldn't actually do any of the work??  An XP1000??i >    	Yes.o  B 	How do you break a tie, how do you prevent a partitioned cluster, 	etc.-   	It works and works well.e   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:20:22 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clustersd, Message-ID: <3D8B74F0.9AB22056@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:7 > The issue of 3 sites is not specifically a VMS thing.i > G > The issue is that if A or B suddenly don't agree on who is in charge,n- > someone has to referee and make a decision.h  J I don't have a foolproof solution. I was merely suggesting that with VMS'sK expertise in clustering, it would be very nice to find some method to allowmM lower end clusters to functions with only 2 sites which would give VMS a vast . advance/advantage over other cluster wannabes.  J Remember thatMicrosoft will have no problems marketing a disaster tolerantI wintel solution that needs only 2 sites. (even if it doesn't quite work).a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:44:01 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>A' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters F Message-ID: <lMLi9.7010$q41.1296@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  F "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messageE news:BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEAEB@rlghncst964.usps.gov...t >e- > Does that mean that VMS clustering inspired0 > 4 > "Three is the number to which thou shalt count..." >.  2 "And the number of thine counting shall be three."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:18:55 -0400u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: EDIT question.j, Message-ID: <3D8B668E.792A96A6@videotron.ca>   Didier Morandi wrote:/K > And, as Hoff said in Lyon the other month, don't ask where you could find0, > documentation on undocumented features :-)    : Where can we find documentation on undocumented features ?   :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:39:16 -0400H; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>  Subject: RE: EDIT question.=K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEAE7@rlghncst964.usps.gov>=  9 Right next to the undocumentation on documented features.t :^)    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----6 From: "JF Mezei" [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]( Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 2:18 PM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com"  Subject: RE: EDIT question.h     Didier Morandi wrote: K > And, as Hoff said in Lyon the other month, don't ask where you could findi, > documentation on undocumented features :-)    : Where can we find documentation on undocumented features ?   :-)-   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2002 12:17:58 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: EDIT question.e= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0209201117.6dd74597@posting.google.com>t  \ Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote in message news:<3D8B19C7.9095684F@Free.fr>...R > Any character in the 5th position of a DCL verb will prevent the DCL interpreter; > to try to translate the verb as a local or global symbol.u  C Not if you type a 5-character symbol! Or greater than 5 characters,d also.s  t9 > It is an undocumented feature, for a long time already.a   User's Manual (v6.2):   # Section 3.5.5 Abbreviating Commands-  D You can abbreviate a command as long as the abbreviated name remainsD unique among the defined commands on a system. DCL looks only at the% first four characters for uniqueness.   B For greater clarity and to ensure that your command procedures areF upwardly compatible, do not abbreviate commands in command procedures.   [...]o  B In order for the trick of using EDIT% to work, there must not be aF symbol called EDIT%. The better way to do this is to explicitly define  3 $ EDIT = "EDIT"  ! (some people use "$ EDIT :=  ") d  C at the top of your procedure or make use of the SET SYMBOL command.n     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmans   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:15:39 -0400 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>a Subject: Re: EDIT question.b' Message-ID: <3D8B65CB.CDC044D9@vcu.edu>h   It's Friday!!!!o   JF Mezei wrote:t >  > Didier Morandi wrote:oM > > And, as Hoff said in Lyon the other month, don't ask where you could findt. > > documentation on undocumented features :-) > < > Where can we find documentation on undocumented features ? >  > :-)t   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2002 13:38:05 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)nY Subject: ETS is only a couple of weeks away - Leper colony - how many of you are attendinl= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0209201238.4ae640de@posting.google.com>u  + For the non leper's here is an explanation.m  ; At DECUS there are a few of us that get together for liquidaF refreshment.  We called ourselves the Leper colony because some of theE folks smoke and they have to sit outside (at least in LA)and the restoC of them would join them.  Mainly because they are great company andi VMS bigots.e  F Send me mail and we can arrange a time.  If I remember correctly there" are several brew pubs in St Louis.  - This is going to be great week, see you soon.r   Sueo   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2002 01:17:51 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Fortran and Unixi- Message-ID: <87ptv860n4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>d  * Carlo <carlo.pettirossi@libero.it> writes:   > I have a series of question.  mC > 1) I have to read a raster file (8 bit color depth) and store thed> > values inside a 2 dim matrix to make further operations. So:  r" > subroutine readfile(ncols,nrows)  H > Is there a reason why, in both cases, i obtain the transpose of what II > want to obtain? I noticed it reads in the file in a wrong way cause theP: > operations I have to carry out give wrong results. So I:  7 It reads them in the way god and John Backus intended. i   Lookup FORTRAN ARRAY ORDER.    -- m< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.,@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:45:57 -0400s' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> Y Subject: RE: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS  Advanced ThT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D966C@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Paul,i  % >>> They use duct tape over there?<<<   H The Canadian tool kit has two primary tools which typically address most issues-s  8 If it moves and it should not - duct tape is the answer.8 If it does not move and it should - WD-40 is the answer.   :-)n   Regardsu  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantr Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services4 Voice: 613-592-4660u Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----6 From: Paul Repacholi [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com]=20! Sent: September 20, 2002 11:46 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComtE Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKAu# OpenVMS Advanced Technical BootcampM    / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:v   > John Smith wrote:e  H > > and pieces...assuming you don't have to pay union labor rates for=20J > > installation too, and you can snake an ethernet cable to each radio=20J > > without getting an electrician involved (ie. parking lot-to-parking=20 > > lot or rooftop-to-rooftop).C  > You could stand on the roof of the Tara (this is the SpitbrookD Sheration, yes?) and throw the fibre to ZK if you where in practice.  A > Ever seen the DEC guys setup the demo areas at DECUS symposia ?   H Yep, a tri CPU Tops-20 system with CFS on dual HSCs. 20 min from openingG the back of the semi to aiming for the bar. This is the most impressiverE thing I have ever seen in the computer industry. With the credit cardiD slip for it after they sold it off the floor a close second! The LCGC crew where NOT happy to have their demo machine sold out from underm them.g  =20G > I bet the VMS engineers would have no problems running an ethernet=20tI > between the two buildings and "protect" it with duct tape to make it=20aI > stay on the sidewalk, and across the streets. I figure they could do=20e  > this is 20 minutes or less :-)  G They use duct tape over there? How quaint, or are you expecting to movefF in permanantly. :) Just don't try it in Florida, the cable can bite in the wrong weather!!    --=20o< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.oE                                              West Australia 6076 Raw,gG Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. EPIC, The Architecture of theo( future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2002 18:03:37 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)pY Subject: RE: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS  Advanced Tl3 Message-ID: <ovYiz4Yaa71r@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D966C@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > Paul,a > & >>>> They use duct tape over there?<<< > J > The Canadian tool kit has two primary tools which typically address most	 > issues-  > : > If it moves and it should not - duct tape is the answer.   	The Red Green Show4  : > If it does not move and it should - WD-40 is the answer.    	Is there a TV show about WD40 ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:22:03 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>aY Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te_, Message-ID: <3D8BBBAB.15DFBF96@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:' > >>> They use duct tape over there?<<<- > J > The Canadian tool kit has two primary tools which typically address most	 > issues-  > : > If it moves and it should not - duct tape is the answer.: > If it does not move and it should - WD-40 is the answer.    J There is even a weekly national TV program called the Red Green Show whichN teaches young canadians  (and not so young) the various ways to use duct tape.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:26:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n# Subject: Re: ftp client API for C++p, Message-ID: <3D8BBC9F.AD7908B6@videotron.ca>   NewYorker wrote: >  > Hi,a > H > I'm looking for ftp client API like those found in <afxinet.h> for C++G > implementation under AIX 4.3 and OpenVMS 7.2.  I need to do basic ftpo, > functionality like login, list, get files.    D This was discussed here some time ago (use google for more details).L Essentially, for the Digital/compaq/hp procust TCPIP Services V5.x , you are1 out of luck. I believe that Multinet may have it.l  N You can also use Kermit which can be compiled into a shareable/callable image.! (a friend of mine once did that).r   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:37:46 GMTi, From: "NewYorker" <newyorker777@hotmail.com> Subject: ftp client API for C++s8 Message-ID: <ejOi9.7604$Xl5.79192@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   Hi,   F I'm looking for ftp client API like those found in <afxinet.h> for C++E implementation under AIX 4.3 and OpenVMS 7.2.  I need to do basic ftp * functionality like login, list, get files.   TIAa   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:44:54 GMT  From: lbohan@dbc..spamless..comp# Subject: Re: ftp client API for C++f8 Message-ID: <lajnou03lmfrf8ea191nnivicsmvo044ec@4ax.com>  , On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:26:07 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:r   >NewYorker wrote:T >> y >> Hi, >>  I >> I'm looking for ftp client API like those found in <afxinet.h> for C++oH >> implementation under AIX 4.3 and OpenVMS 7.2.  I need to do basic ftp- >> functionality like login, list, get files.c >s >oE >This was discussed here some time ago (use google for more details).oM >Essentially, for the Digital/compaq/hp procust TCPIP Services V5.x , you are=2 >out of luck. I believe that Multinet may have it. > O >You can also use Kermit which can be compiled into a shareable/callable image.0" >(a friend of mine once did that).  2 might also look at FTSO, which has a callable API,    http://www.compaq.com/emea/ftso/- http://www.compaq.com/emea/ftso/overview.htmlp4 http://www.compaq.com/emea/ftso/productfeatures.html- http://www.compaq.com/emea/ftso/whatsnew.html   . http://www.compaq.com/info/SP5434/SP5434PF.PDF   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:15:43 GMTk1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 9 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?9' Message-ID: <3D8BCDDB.6B380471@fsi.net>:   Jason O'Donnell wrote: > I > > To me, the biggest advantage is the fact you eliminate the shadow-set=J > > merging resulting from VMS crashes and other issues like files open at> > > system-shutdown time that result in full-merges on reboot. > B > With improvements made with mini-merges, hbvs is a good choice.   E Trouble is, of course, that mini-merges don't occur when a shadow-set3F inconsistency is detected when the volume(s) is(are) MOUNTed at system* start-up time - it always be a full merge.   > WeE > had a four node cluster separated into two sites over FDDI.  We didiH > hbvs between the two sites.  If one site went down, the other site was+ > able to stay up with no reconfigurations.p > D > I think with mirroring, you would need to tweak your app to handleG > different devices when the primary set fails.  Could you do something-+ > with logical name lists and multipathing?   A I think an explanation of controller-based mirroring is in order.m   Hint: Think: RAID-1, SWXCR   For example:   VMS sees $1$DUA0:   C The HSJ controller pair has a disc alloclass of 1 and presents unitr number zero(0).n  G From the HSJ you see unit D0. D0 Consists of mirror-set M0. M0 consists  of disks DISK100 and DISK200.t  H So, no such considerations as those you mention. The HSJ pair has littleH or no awareness that VMS has been shutdown or that a node of the clusterC crashed, other than closing virtual circuits and some other things.   H That's the upside. The down-side, as another poster mentions, is that itE can be a challenge to minimize single points of failure. The slightly_D better news is that HSGs support something called Remote Copy that IG haven't had occasion to study up on yet. That seems to hold the promise-= of controller-based RAID-1 across physical sites via the SAN.e  F The upside of HBVS, on the other hand, is that the systems have a moreH intimate relationship with the shadow driver, and some performance gainsG can be realized compared to RAID-1. The down side, of course, is mergesIE and shadow copies, since the host CPUs must take part in the process.s  
 Trade-offs...    --   David J. Dachterag dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:33:37 -0400p! From: "Alex Ulis" <aulis@msa.com>/+ Subject: How to run a C program on VAX/VMS?0) Message-ID: <amfpm7$lik1@guppy.msais.com>l  G I compiled C program using CC command. However, instead of .EXE file, I+K found .OBJ object file in my main directory. What should I do to be able to  run C program on Vax?r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:56:11 -0700o" From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>/ Subject: Re: How to run a C program on VAX/VMS?-( Message-ID: <3D8BFBEB.D64D59F7@mist.com>   Alex Ulis wrote: > I > I compiled C program using CC command. However, instead of .EXE file, I M > found .OBJ object file in my main directory. What should I do to be able toa > run C program on Vax?c   Uh,  LINK ??   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:33:18 -0400O- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>"/ Subject: Re: How to run a C program on VAX/VMS?e+ Message-ID: <3D8C049D.7EDA065@videotron.ca>t   Alex Ulis wrote: > I > I compiled C program using CC command. However, instead of .EXE file, I M > found .OBJ object file in my main directory. What should I do to be able ton > run C program on Vax?m   if using recent versions:"   CC myprogram LINK myprogram
 RUN myprograms  M if "myprogram" wants to use arguments, you need to make it a foreign command:o/ myprogram :== "$drive:[directory]myprogram.exe"    then e $ myprogram arg1 arg2 arg 3 etc     1 If using an older version of VMS on vax ( VAX-C):v   CC myprogram   LINK myprogram,sys$input/opt sys$library:vaxcrtl.exe/sharep <ctrl-Z>  
 RUN myprograma   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:42:14 GMTo. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: HP website integration-5 Message-ID: <GKLi9.213044$1S3.5375784@news.chello.at>2  w In article <01KMQ2SW2DMQ9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:gN >> EVERY single link has to be re-coded, all the little red > arrows become >>5 >> arrows. all the styles have changed. Stuff that we1. >> didn't have to have coded is now required.. >> dN >> We used to have to do all titles initial caps. now they are all lower case. > J >Sounds like a good argument for generating the presentation-oriented web < >pages automatically from some content-oriented source.  :-|  $ And what do you recommend ? REDDOT ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:19:07 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c# Subject: Re: HP website integrationo, Message-ID: <3D8B90BE.EBAFFBDF@videotron.ca>  K > >Sounds like a good argument for generating the presentation-oriented webi> > >pages automatically from some content-oriented source.  :-|  N ALL-IN-1 would have been great to handle this. You can use its file cabinet toH store your material,  and then a script to generate the company specific7 headers and footers and move it to the production area.t  E With all the corporate name changes, you'd think that they would havenL automated the VMS web site to have any company name/logo/format at the touch@ of a button. Heck, they might even build a database of corporateM look/feel/formats and just choose from a list (IBM, Digital, Sun, HP, Compaq, G Dell etc) to get the appropriate owner of VMS for that particular week.    :-)a   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2002 19:38:11 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: Marketing suggestion.5 Message-ID: <amftf3$5jpde$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>y  , In article <3D8B7589.A1328F91@videotron.ca>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:O > Take the VMS freeware CD and include it in a mass distributed IT magazine and ; > make sure "VMS" is clearly written in big letters on it. t > K > This would send a very clear message that VMS is still alive and kicking, I > supports software from CDs instead of 9 track tape (remove some of thatnG > "legacy" image) and that there is software that is affordable for it.  > : > That would go a long long way towards raising awareness.     Nice idea, except......>   IT Manager receives magazine - Finds CD in back - Removes CD - Sticks CD in Win2K PC -e Nothing happens -a- Goes to "My Computer" and clicks on CD icon -b Gets error message -  J Now, what does he think of that big VMS printed on the front of the disk??   Perception is everything.    bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:22:54 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r Subject: Marketing suggestiono, Message-ID: <3D8B7589.A1328F91@videotron.ca>  M Take the VMS freeware CD and include it in a mass distributed IT magazine andh9 make sure "VMS" is clearly written in big letters on it.    I This would send a very clear message that VMS is still alive and kicking, G supports software from CDs instead of 9 track tape (remove some of thatlE "legacy" image) and that there is software that is affordable for it.r  8 That would go a long long way towards raising awareness.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2002 19:03 CDT'' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)-! Subject: Re: Marketing suggestion:- Message-ID: <20SEP200219032371@gerg.tamu.edu>a  P In article <amftf3$5jpde$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu writes...- }In article <3D8B7589.A1328F91@videotron.ca>,l1 }	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:bP }> Take the VMS freeware CD and include it in a mass distributed IT magazine and< }> make sure "VMS" is clearly written in big letters on it.  }>  L }> This would send a very clear message that VMS is still alive and kicking,J }> supports software from CDs instead of 9 track tape (remove some of thatH }> "legacy" image) and that there is software that is affordable for it. }> e; }> That would go a long long way towards raising awareness.n }  }  }Nice idea, except...... }  }IT Manager receives magazine -h }Finds CD in back -s
 }Removes CD -a }Sticks CD in Win2K PC - }Nothing happens -. }Goes to "My Computer" and clicks on CD icon - }Gets error message -g } K }Now, what does he think of that big VMS printed on the front of the disk??. }  }Perception is everything. }  }billg  # VMS can read ISO9660 CDs just fine.   C A better alternative is that you can make CDs that are both ISO9660 D and ODS2 without much difficulty. You'd put lots of advertising likeF spiffy flash animation extoling the virtues of VMS on the Windows part. of the disk and VMS freeware on the ODS2 part.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:03:49 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>! Subject: Re: Marketing suggestioni? Message-ID: <20020921010349.3797.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>    Mezei ! ! !     2 I think it is better to send a Charon-VAX cd ! :-). Who has a VAX or Alpha at home..except us from this newsgroup ! n   Regardsr   FC n    2 --- JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:3 > Take the VMS freeware CD and include it in a massp > distributed IT magazine andr6 > make sure "VMS" is clearly written in big letters on > it.  > 2 > This would send a very clear message that VMS is > still alive and kicking,4 > supports software from CDs instead of 9 track tape > (remove some of that4 > "legacy" image) and that there is software that is > affordable for it. > / > That would go a long long way towards raising-
 awareness.     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilt fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!u http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:45:18 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t! Subject: Re: Marketing suggestiondF Message-ID: <yiPi9.7852$q41.5846@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message / news:amftf3$5jpde$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...a. > In article <3D8B7589.A1328F91@videotron.ca>,1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:oD > > Take the VMS freeware CD and include it in a mass distributed IT magazine and< > > make sure "VMS" is clearly written in big letters on it. > >sD > > This would send a very clear message that VMS is still alive and kicking,K > > supports software from CDs instead of 9 track tape (remove some of that I > > "legacy" image) and that there is software that is affordable for it.S > >n< > > That would go a long long way towards raising awareness. >e >t > Nice idea, except......g >I  > IT Manager receives magazine - > Finds CD in back - > Removes CD - > Sticks CD in Win2K PC -- > Nothing happens --/ > Goes to "My Computer" and clicks on CD icon -n > Gets error message - >0L > Now, what does he think of that big VMS printed on the front of the disk?? >r > Perception is everything.  >   L Maybe HP will do this when VMS on Itanic is released. That is if it works onF something other than HP hardware...if not, they might as well have not
 killed Alpha..   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:26:27 -0700l" From: Brad Hughes <brad@tgsmc.com>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.n( Message-ID: <3D8B8473.1020207@tgsmc.com>  C http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20020908mag-index.htmls   Terry C. Shannon wrote:rC > "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message-2 > news:20020920105019.24430.qmail@nym.alias.net... > E >>On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:- >> >>>"Terry C. Shannon" wrote: >>>2H >>>>The WTC was designed to take a B-707, thr 757 and 767 are larger and >>>a	 > containM >  >>>>lots more fuel.  >>>aK >>>The 767 contains roughly as much fuel as the 707. However, the engineers K >>>admitted that they had not taken into consideration the fuel as a source  >> > of > 8 >>>heat/fire, only the mechanical aspects of the impact. >>J >>I believe the original WTC design included asbestos for fire protection.) >>Obviously that would have been removed.h >  > M > Correct. And unfortunate. Multiple redundant fire dept and sprinkler riserso( > are likely to become codified, though. >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:59:31 +0200i1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>i! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.o5 Message-ID: <3D8B8C32.4C7B0AE5@swissonline.delete.ch>e   Bill Todd wrote: > =t   > ...u > =   G > > * No-one has displayed any public evidence to suggest that bio-cheme2 > > weapons are being manufactured and stockpiled. > =   J > I think there has been evidence of such activity in the past, however. =  AndJ > I have no problem with enforcing the U.N. inspection provisions to ensu= reJ > that it *stays* in the past, as long as it's done under U.N. auspices r= ather-E > than by the U.S. acting independently (since those provisions *are*4J > U.N.-based, it's none of our damn business outside of the context of ou= ra& > participation in that organization).  G "...in the past" being the operative words.  One might like to think ofoA it as the animal is in its cage and that is where it should stay.      > =   G > > * No-one has displayed any public evidence to confirm that Iraq wasUJ > > involved with bin Laden - or for that matter even any independent and=  D > > impartial evidence that bin Laden was directly involved with the3 > > planning and operation of the Sep 2001 attacks.  > =e  J > I believe your first phrase above is correct, but have some problems wi= th > your second.  C I said "independent and impartial".  Do you think that the recentlydE captured memebers of his inner coucil didn't have a good idea of whatuF people in the west would like them to say ?   It might have been true,? it might have been false.  It wasn't independent and impartial.     J > > * No-one has said a word against Israel, a country that also has weap= ons_J > > of mass destruction and Bio-Chem Weapons, and in the last six months = hass0 > > used those Bio-Chem weapons on Palestinians. > =-  J > If that's indeed true, it didn't receive enough press in the U.S. for m= e toC > notice it, so I'll reserve judgement pending a credible citation.a  H I recall a news report here in Europe earlier this year that the IsraeliD forces used something more than tear gas to debilitate and control a crowd of Palestinians.  F Searching for such a report is not easy given the number of reports of2 conflict but I did find some interesting articles.  H "Israel's Chemical Bullet: The Meshal Affair And Upping the Terror Ante"1 a 1998 article about a bichem attack by Mossad ats. http://www.geocities.com/aamirror/chemical.htm  G "Israel Uses chemical Weapons Against Palestinians" dated April 23 2002aF at http://www.islam-online.net/english/News/2002-04/23/article37.shtml  F "Chemical and Biological Weapons in the Middle East" from the Carnegie9 Edowment for International Peace, dated April 16 2002, atlG http://www.ceip.org/files/nonprolif/templates/article.asp?NewsID=3D2669n  J And with reference to the USA and the Middle East, "Why They Hate Us =97 = At  Re-Examination", dated late 2001. http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wot/bumgarner.htm    C And from Counterpunch at http://www.counterpunch.org/schor0410.htmltD which incidentally has a Robert Fisk article "Lies Leaders Tell When- They Want To Go To War" (dated March 2002) atgE http://www.counterpunch.org/fisklies.html.  Boh are pertinent to thiss8 broader discussion but not so much to this issue of BCW.  E (And I must say that it is incredibly difficult to find articles thatrF are not biased in some way.  Quite possibly some of these are biased.)    G Finally Bill, I forgot one critical point.  This war against Iraq is torH gain much-needed credibility for the Bush Administration.  By portrayingE it as a continuation of the "War Against Terror" Bush has effectivleycH guaranteed that no US politician will vote against it because they wouldC give the impression that they think the war against terror is a badi thing.     cheers   John   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2002 02:52:43 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.p- Message-ID: <87lm5w5w90.fsf@prep.synonet.com>u  6 Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:  E > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:g > >"Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  E > >> The WTC was designed to take a B-707, thr 757 and 767 are larger   > >> and contain lots more fuel.  A > >The 767 contains roughly as much fuel as the 707. However, the$D > >engineers admitted that they had not taken into consideration theD > >fuel as a source of heat/fire, only the mechanical aspects of the
 > >impact.  e> > I believe the original WTC design included asbestos for fire6 > protection.  Obviously that would have been removed.  E Yes it was. Unfortunatly, the rust was not. Now rust has all sorts of A interesting properties, but tension strength isn't on the list atoB all. Hello Mr cost acountant, next time, remove the bloody rust soB all, or lots, of the fire proofing does not fall off when the rustC shatters from the shock of impact. If you want it to work, it helpsn if it is in place.  D Other intereting item. Durring the original design, one engineer dugF his heels in about needing to go all the way down into the bedrock forB the foundations. He got his way, more to shut him up than anythingB else. Some one re-did the calcs and concluded that if they had not@ gone his way, there was a ~90% chance the towers would have been unfooted by the impacts.  E If you look at how the lower section near totally contained the uppernB as they came down, then I think you have to give the designers andB builders a huge pat on the back. They really tried hard to stay up against impossible odds.   -- c< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.I@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2002 02:59:04 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N. - Message-ID: <87hegk5vyf.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:d  M > Or the Texas City incident, when a cargo ship full of ammonium nitrate went N > kapow. The skipper was unaware of the endothermic and exothermic behavior of > said substance.b  ? Now it turns out that NH4NO3 has an interesting property. Add a 5 wiff of zink dust, then add water. Just a tiny bit...u  @ Turns out, from a quantum chemist posting on rec.pyro years ago,@ that there is an energy band match with zink and an intermediate? reaction state of the ammonium nitrate that allows the reactionsC to proceed very easily. Exothermically easy and with no provicatione	 required!   A Of couse you would never find water or flakes of galvanizing on a-+ ship, would you :( Not afterwards anyway...m   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:34:50 GMTs* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: Mr. Bush at the U.N.iB Message-ID: <K8Pi9.168302$z91.6966771@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  > "John McLean" <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message/ news:3D8B8C32.4C7B0AE5@swissonline.delete.ch...o   ...   L > > * No-one has said a word against Israel, a country that also has weaponsL > > of mass destruction and Bio-Chem Weapons, and in the last six months has0 > > used those Bio-Chem weapons on Palestinians. >mJ > If that's indeed true, it didn't receive enough press in the U.S. for me toC > notice it, so I'll reserve judgement pending a credible citation.l  H I recall a news report here in Europe earlier this year that the IsraeliD forces used something more than tear gas to debilitate and control a crowd of Palestinians.  F Searching for such a report is not easy given the number of reports of2 conflict but I did find some interesting articles.   *** F I'm afraid I'm going to have to throw your own words ('independent andI impartial') back at you in this case:  the citations you list below in nonK way rise to that standard (and in fact some only suggest the possibility of + such use rather than claim evidence of it).n ***k  H "Israel's Chemical Bullet: The Meshal Affair And Upping the Terror Ante"1 a 1998 article about a bichem attack by Mossad atr. http://www.geocities.com/aamirror/chemical.htm  G "Israel Uses chemical Weapons Against Palestinians" dated April 23 2002CF at http://www.islam-online.net/english/News/2002-04/23/article37.shtml  F "Chemical and Biological Weapons in the Middle East" from the Carnegie9 Edowment for International Peace, dated April 16 2002, at E http://www.ceip.org/files/nonprolif/templates/article.asp?NewsID=2669s  H And with reference to the USA and the Middle East, "Why They Hate Us - A  Re-Examination", dated late 2001. http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wot/bumgarner.htm   ***fL I read that last reference and agreed with it.  Unfortunately, an associatedI story that caught my eye described how the CIA and Israel were the actualcD perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks, which utterly destroys the general credibility of the publication.  ***i  G Finally Bill, I forgot one critical point.  This war against Iraq is toDH gain much-needed credibility for the Bush Administration.  By portrayingE it as a continuation of the "War Against Terror" Bush has effectivley.H guaranteed that no US politician will vote against it because they wouldC give the impression that they think the war against terror is a badb thing.   ***yL Though I can't say I'm confident of the outcome, Dubya is getting some solidJ opposition from Congress (and not only from Democrats), and being asked toI provide actual evidence both of the putative connections between Iraq anddI terrorism and of Iraq's immediate, tangible threat to the U.S. that would J justify an invasion.  So far, all I've heard in response is the contentionH that the U.N.'s credibility is at stake for allowing Saddam to flout itsJ resolutions (no mention of Israel's similar behavior, of course).  ExactlyC why the U.S. should feel free - even obligated - to save the U.N.'saK credibility in this matter despite the U.N.'s strenuous objections to being ' thus saved has not yet been made clear.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2002 13:32:27 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)- Subject: Re: OpenVMS SIG= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0209201232.2af35d06@posting.google.com>w   Brian,  C If you go to the url in the orignial post you will see that you canhE register for the SIG and there is also something like a notes file as , well (I forgot the name of what its called).          U system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A14388.39157DEE@SendSpamHere.ORG>... i > In article <amdef2$675$2@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov>, koehler@bessta.gsfc.nasa.aspm.gov (Bob Koehler) writes:S > >0S > >In article <00A14370.D82AE600@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes: f > >>In article <amcqri$hn1$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes: > >>>Dear Newsgroup, > >>>cN > >>>Just so you know Encompass has restarted the OpenVMS SIG.  Dave Cathey is > >>>the SIG Chair.h > >>>l1 > >>> To join the VMS SIG you need to register on 9 > >>>http://www.encompassus.org/community/sigs/index.htmlt > >>P > >>Is joining the mailing list akin to registering to be an OpenVMS SIG member? > >aJ > >   I think I joined the SIG first and the mailing list came out later. I > >   In this case the sign up claims "for members in good standing", buto? > >   in at least one case that includes non-paying associates.- > F > Well, the question is, where do I sign up for the SIG?  The web pageG > mentions as a link to join the mailing list but there's nothing aboutn > simply becoming a SIG member.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:02:03 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>9 Subject: Re: Oracle RDB 8.0 = Oracle RDB for Itanium ????r) Message-ID: <3D8B629B.2030009@oracle.com>f  : According to what you can read and learn on the Oracle Rdb7 web set (www.oracle.com/rdb) and so on, Rdb 8.0 was thee5 name for the (now) unsupported Oracle Rdb NT release.r  ; Current plans are to produce an Oracle Rdb version (not yets: even close to being named) that will run on iVMS within, I. think, 90 days of the iVMS production release.  9 This release will be quite closely based (closely meaning1: built from the same source pool) as the Oracle Rdb OpenVMS6 Alpha version that is available at that point in time.   Fabio Cardoso wrote:2 > Oracle RDB 8.0 - will be the Itanium version ??? >  > Click  > a > http://www.oracle.com/rdb/product_info/html_documents/index.html?rdb_80_to_71_announcement.htmlM >  > 	 > RegardsM >  > FC- -  >  > =====F > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - BrazilF > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?+ > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!  > http://sbc.yahoo.com     -- o> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:27:34 -0700 (PDT)r. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>( Subject: OT: Tablet PC x Microsoft x SUN@ Message-ID: <20020920182734.55529.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>   I read at Cnet:R  # "HP is  developing a  Tablet PC to =" discontinue the EVO 220 Notebook."  3 I am imagining if Sun could enter in the Tablet PC G1 market with a Linux based OS (May be name Solarisn5 Linux, etc...) and with all the SunSoft stuff - Java,. Fort, etc ...   REgardss   FC     =====h ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilt fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!  http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:41:56 -0400f% From: Scott Coatsworth <swc@pitt.edu> * Subject: Printing to Sharp Imager from VMS' Message-ID: <3D8B8814.3030805@pitt.edu>T  I Has anyone printed from VMS to a Sharp imager?  If you've already solved i( this problem, I'd love to hear from you.  E We have a Sharp AR-507 Imager with an AR-PB2A printer expansion kit. dF I'm trying to print to it from OpenVMS v6.2 using Multinet's v4.2 Rev H A-X LPD symbiont, with forms that pull PCL or PJL modules from a device H control library.  Using PCL, I can control orientation, duplex/simplex, 6 long-edge/short-edge, cpi, lpi, etc., with no problem.  D When I try to use PJL to control face up/down, staple off/one/both, E etc., I have no success.  I'm going to install Carl Staub's SHarpLPR :E v3.1 on a Unix box to see if the problem is with me, the printer, or o Multinet's LPD.a   Scott Coatsworth   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2002 15:33:54 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: SIMH 2.9-11: bug in tape simulation3 Message-ID: <JztcPmGNBRi4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   H In article <3D8A5686.6030804@srv.net>, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> writes:  = > Very strange. Don't know why I was never bitten by this one,B > then.  Maybe using the wrong version when I did it, 5.5-<mumble>B > mostly. This was on various MicroVax II's and 3100's with TK50's* > and TZ30's. Maybe they just liked me ;-)  +    IIRC it showed up sometime around 6.0.      ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:32:54 -0400E- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c* Subject: Suggestion for VMS: mime type API, Message-ID: <3D8B69D4.1CFE580D@videotron.ca>  F More and more applications need to have access to some table that willH corrolate a mime type with a file extension. Some will want to also knowG whether such a mime type shoudl be handled as a binary entity or a texttN entity, and some will also want to know what application to use to handle such
 a content.  L Each web server has its own such file. Now, the IMAP server has its own file= (which si missing some key definitions such as .swf ( flash).   L I think that VMS should have a single complete database of mime types and an API to access it.n  @ LIB$GET_MIME( mime_type, extension, content_type, application) ;  N supply the mime_type and all other fields get filled, supply the extension and all other fields get loaded.    N Then, the system manager could manage the mime type database (indexed file for> instance) and all applications would benefit from that change.  L One should still be able to define some logical name to point to a different database for a specific app.    H Now would be the time to implement such as simple system service, beforeM everyone goes out and builds their own separate mime type database which will P result in management headaches trying to keep all those separate files in synch.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:17:35 -0400.- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>O. Subject: Re: Suggestion for VMS: mime type API, Message-ID: <3D8B744A.118AD0D1@videotron.ca>   Frank da Cruz wrote:L > Careful, this could be a great way to open VMS up to email and web-browser1 > viruses, thus making VMS "Windows Compliant"....   Au contraire...t  N By having a central mime type database with proper access controls, you ensureL that no user is given some config that may be dangerous to VMS's health. AndL obviously, only well behaved applications would be making use of the api, soH you would know you have a dangerous app that needs to be monitored if it doesn't use the official api..  J The system manager could chose to wipe out all application-info associated@ with a mime type so that clients would have to prompt the user.   L But I was thinking more in terms of server processes on VMS though. More and/ more they need to map extensions to mime types.:   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2002 14:42:19 -0400& From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz). Subject: Re: Suggestion for VMS: mime type API1 Message-ID: <amfq6b$6n4$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>d  , In article <3D8B69D4.1CFE580D@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:iH : More and more applications need to have access to some table that willJ : corrolate a mime type with a file extension. Some will want to also knowI : whether such a mime type shoudl be handled as a binary entity or a textmK : entity, and some will also want to know what application to use to handles : such a content.o : ...uJ : Now would be the time to implement such as simple system service, beforeJ : everyone goes out and builds their own separate mime type database whichM : will result in management headaches trying to keep all those separate filesc : in synch.a :sJ Careful, this could be a great way to open VMS up to email and web-browser/ viruses, thus making VMS "Windows Compliant"...o  J Even if writers of VMS applications had the good sense not to let incomingL e-mail or clicked-on Web pages run programs in the user's space, there's theL question of who registers extensions.  If I send you email with an enclosureJ that has an extension of .DAT (or you download a blah.dat file by clickingI on it in a GUI FTP client), what program is the file fed to, and how am Ie supposed to know?-  F Then the next step...  In Windows, when you install an application, itG "registers" itself as the application for files with a given extension. K Even if some other application had already "registered" the same extension.lK So then when you click on a data file with a certain name, it's loaded intoc7 the wrong application, doing who-knows-how-much damage.m  J User friendliness is a slippery slope.  The attraction of VMS is that it'sF solid, secure, and predictable; let's not try too hard to turn it into Windows.   - Frankn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:05:59 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>0 Subject: Re: sys$Pipe and DCL$PATH documentation' Message-ID: <3D8B6387.20800@oracle.com>-  B try using www.google.com and search for DCL$PATH and then SYS$PIPE   Paul Repacholi wrote:r4 > WHere? I have searched the CDs, but found nothing. >  > tnx:     -- e> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2002 15:05:30 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)C Subject: TCPIP$TELNETSYM characteristics varying on per-queue basis = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0209201405.3508f3c6@posting.google.com>t  E We've recently replaced a customer VAX using TCPware with a new Alpha A running TCPIP V5.1eco4 (came with it, so no chance of talking thedC customer into paying for a new/upgrade license for TCPware).  ThereaC were several telnet symbiont queues (TCPWARE_TSSYM on the VAX) usedwF for specialty printing where soft fonts were downloaded to the printerC (by VMS), and fairly complex escape-code-laden PCL setup forms wererE used.  With the transition to Alpha, we found the only way to get the = font downloads to work was to set the TCPIP$TELNETSYM_RAW_TCPa? parameter, but that is now causing minor grief on several others	 printers.a  E TCPware used to allow setting special parameters on a per-queue basiswE (by embedding the queue name in the logical name for the parameter orfA feature).  There doesn't appear to be an equivalent capability one? TCPIP; its all or none.  Except there's the indication that thedF logical needs to be set _before_ the symbiont is started, which allows a possibility...  A Can we set the streams logical to '1', then preset the systemwider@ TCPIP$TELNETSYM... logicals, then start the relevant queue, thenF preset the next set of systemwide logicals, start the next queue, etc,B and have it work?  I can't test right now due to system productionB scheduling.  It seems awfully inelegant, but we need to get things' straightened out.  Thanks for any info.o   Rich CCSl   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:23:36 GMT - From: jclausen@co.walker.tx.us (John Clausen)x Subject: VMS Alpha and sound.C3 Message-ID: <b_Oi9.213$FY2.118975@news.randori.com>i  I Hello, I have an Alpha AXP main board that does not have sound built in.    3 What sound cards are compatible with OpenVMS Alpha?-  L I checked the OpenVMS FAQ and didn't really find any information that would  help.<   Thanks,m   John   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:12:01 -04003- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)n, Message-ID: <3D8B72FC.72501913@videotron.ca>   "John N." wrote: > J > If we ignore lessons of the past (Usually a very unwise move), and if weK > focus on what is happening today, what is the prognosis for the future of" > VMS.  K Same as before. Corporation doesn't want VMS. But the VMS grunts at the low:C end are making efforts to ensure the corporation fails to kill VMS.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2002 19:18:32 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)-= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0209201818.4dc436d2@posting.google.com>M  f "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:<UCHi9.4027$yB5.166527@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...J > If we ignore lessons of the past (Usually a very unwise move), and if weK > focus on what is happening today, what is the prognosis for the future of  > VMS. > G > Is your outlook for the future of VMS currently Negative,  Neutral or 
 > PositiveG > Has you outlook for the future of VMS changed in the past year?  How?d >   > VMS is the only secure, stable, disaster tolerant solution out& there right now ... what do you think?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:37:11 GMTe1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these) ' Message-ID: <3D8BD2E1.14678348@fsi.net>    "John N." wrote: > J > If we ignore lessons of the past (Usually a very unwise move), and if weK > focus on what is happening today, what is the prognosis for the future ofa > VMS. > G > Is your outlook for the future of VMS currently Negative,  Neutral or 
 > PositiveG > Has you outlook for the future of VMS changed in the past year?  How?  > ! > Any one can add to these lists:r > 	 > PRO VMSnF >    Porting to Intel (this is good given that Alphas has been killed)% >    Revival of VMS Technical journaln& >    Creation of VMS specific symposia >    DII COE >    ??? > 
 > Anti VMS >    Recent historyn	 >    ????o >  > See you in St. Lous.   IMO...  E Pro-VMS: Some active, but relatively impotent efforts, though the IPF,B port would be more significant if IPF were a currently marketable,H volume-shippable, ready-for-prime-time product - it remains vaporware at> this writing by that definition. IA32 is virtually universallyC ubiquitous and would make by far a better target, regardless of thetG technological challenges that represents. (Again, understand that I am,-E AFAIK, the only person currently active in this newsgroup who holds ac+ working understanding of why that is true.)r  H Anti-VMS: Mostly passive, such as failure to advertise, failure to priceE competitively, failure to aggresively pursue ISVs and the markets thenE ISVs need to sell their product into. All passive items, but far moreaF potent than the few active measures being taken. About the only activeE anti-VMS issue is the death of Alpha, leaving VMS "orphaned". *THAT*,aF indeed, is EXTREMELY POTENT! ...and may ultimately represent a "lethalF injection" unless an IPF miracle is forthcoming in exceptionally short order (I'm talking weeks here).o   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:38:17 GMTt( From: Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net>0 Subject: Re: What is happening to the industry ?+ Message-ID: <3D8BA443.F6CF7047@pacbell.net>k   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 0 > Companies owned by banks and mercenaries ! ! ! >  > Short ansewr ! ! ! >  <snip>  N I agree (sort of). The falling tech stocks have more to do with the decline inN investor holdings, due to a generalized fear, rather than anything specific to
 our industry. O Stocks can bounce around so badly, because we have lost the underlying faith inF corporate fundamentals.iP I remember when a stock price could be fairly gauged by the P/E and book values.O But now stocks are day-traded by the billions! Stock prices also overreact withzN each quarterly announcement...very bad for long term philosophies like Digital used to believe in.mJ IMO the best answer to such short-sightedness is a HEAVY tax on short term, holdings and ZERO tax on long term holdings.   -- i   Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin (@alphase.com) 
 San Franciscou   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:07:27 -0700 (PDT)-. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>0 Subject: Re: What is happening to the industry ?@ Message-ID: <20020921010727.48728.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>   The problem is:p  4 When people buy stocks from a company, they are not % worried about the company's products.o    3 What I know about economy is/was: people buy stockst0 to help the companies to improve their products., Nowadays people buy stocks just because they% want ot speculate in the market ! ! !t3 If they lose money in a specific high-tech company,e/ they will sell these stocks and buy supermarketp stocks.t   RegardsD   FC a- --- Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net> wrote:a > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > 2 > > Companies owned by banks and mercenaries ! ! ! > >  > > Short ansewr ! ! ! > >  > <snip> > 6 > I agree (sort of). The falling tech stocks have more > to do with the decline inn6 > investor holdings, due to a generalized fear, rather > than anything specific toC > our industry.k4 > Stocks can bounce around so badly, because we have > lost the underlying faith in > corporate fundamentals.d6 > I remember when a stock price could be fairly gauged > by the P/E and book values.e6 > But now stocks are day-traded by the billions! Stock > prices also overreact with6 > each quarterly announcement...very bad for long term > philosophies like Digitalt > used to believe in.S4 > IMO the best answer to such short-sightedness is a > HEAVY tax on short term . > holdings and ZERO tax on long term holdings. >  > -- 1 >  > Have VMS. Will Travel. > Wire Paladin (@alphase.com)c > San FranciscoR     =====g ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilh fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!o http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2002 15:47:09 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)' Subject: Re: Wildcard for Delete /entryh= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0209201447.3e7ed444@posting.google.com>n  ` "Jeff Barnes" <barnesjw@dfo-mpo.gc.ca> wrote in message news:<cqni9.2770$i%.717724@localhost>...N > How do I delete all the pending jobs for a particular queue using the deleteB > /entry= command?  Is there a /entry= <wildcard> for OpenVMS 6.2? > ' > Forgive the rookie VMS type question.o >  > Thanks  F Here's a sample session assuming a print queue (Add /BATCH to the INIT command for a batch queue):_   DCL> PRINT/HOLD F:NOTHING.COM_0 Job NOTHING (queue SYS$PRINT, entry 220) holding DCL> PRINT/HOLD F:NOTHING.COMy0 Job NOTHING (queue SYS$PRINT, entry 221) holding DCL> PRINT/HOLD F:NOTHING.COM 0 Job NOTHING (queue SYS$PRINT, entry 222) holding DCL> PRINT/HOLD F:NOTHING.COMg0 Job NOTHING (queue SYS$PRINT, entry 223) holding@ DCL> SHOW QUEUE/ALL SYS$PRINT!(You might want to close the queue before this command)E Terminal queue SYS$PRINT, idle, on IDS03::TTA1:, mounted form DEFAULTe  o4   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status4   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------5     220  NOTHING         FELDMAN           1  Holding 5     221  NOTHING         FELDMAN           1  Holdings5     222  NOTHING         FELDMAN           1  Holdinge5     223  NOTHING         FELDMAN           1  Holdingo DCL> INIT/QUE BOGUSe! DCL> ASSIGN/MERGE BOGUS SYS$PRINT  DCL> SH QUE/ALL SYS$PRINTtE Terminal queue SYS$PRINT, idle, on IDS03::TTA1:, mounted form DEFAULTa DCL> SH QUE/ALL BOGUS 2 Printer queue BOGUS, stopped, mounted form DEFAULT  c4   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status4   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------5     220  NOTHING         FELDMAN           1  Holdinge5     221  NOTHING         FELDMAN           1  Holdingi5     222  NOTHING         FELDMAN           1  Holdingi5     223  NOTHING         FELDMAN           1  HoldingS DCL> DEL/QUE BOGUS  %DELETE-I-DELETED, BOGUS deleted DCL>  D Just be careful that no one submits any wanted jobs during this. YouD can use a SET QUEUE/CLOSE command as noted in the commandts near the, beginning of this procedure to prevent that.     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmans   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:13:20 +0000 (UTC)o- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)w; Subject: Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?o. Message-ID: <amfog0$q13$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> writes in article <3D8B0BCA.8CCD024A@mediasec.de> dated Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:51:38 +0200:F >Any terrorist worth his salt will make sure that the stuff he's usingD >doesn't have such trapdoors. And basically all you have to check is# >the protection of the private key.   ? No, that's not the only way a trapdoor could be put into PGP.  s  I In the early 2's, key generation was said to be "weak" for some reason...pJ the prime-number filter threw away some primes or somesuch, so the numbers; that were actually used for private keys were more limited.   L PGP uses RSA to encrypt a session key (IDEA or DES), which is supposed to beK random.  If these keys were not truly random but pseudo-random, based on an-L algorithm known to the spooks, messages could be decrypted with no knowledge of the private key.h  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org- PGP key available.         n> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:06:50 -0400 * From: "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM>; Subject: Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?y* Message-ID: <amg68o$g8d$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  E OpenVMS engineering is investigating a port of GnuPG 1.0.7 to be madet	 available 7 like Stunnel is under GPL as Open Source Tools project.   G Given recent news on GnuPG some folks may have second thoughts about ite( http://online.securityfocus.com/news/576H Right now we are proceeding but I'm not sure how many folks will want it when it's done  A It'll be available from http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/t --
 Leo Demers  OpenVMS Security Product Manager Leo_dot_Demers_at_HP_dot_COM  > "Franz-Josef Fornefeld" <jo.fornefeld@gmx.de> wrote in message" news:amfbi5.318.1@jo.dyndns.org... > Nic Clews wrote: >   > > Franz-Josef Fornefeld wrote: > >vE > >> Didn't You realize that many (and most serious) people still useoI > >> V2.6.1i? This is the last version without backdoors (as rumors say).b > >>@ > >> GnuPG will be the successor (whenever it will be bug free). > >e > > We're sort of off topic, >h/ > Sure. comp.security.pgp.* would be better ...i >r3 > > however of interest because OpenVMS should haveh3 > > representation as a platform for said software.t > > J > > Where does 2.6.3i fit into the 'backdoor' theory? I'm interested in itL > > because it has 2048 bit support and is probably the latest available for > > OpenVMS. > >oJ > > 2.6.2 is the 1024 bit capable OpenVMS compilable version, should 2.6.1 > > be considered? >sI > Well, maybe I'm wrong with this version and V2.6.3i would be the betternI > one. I took this from brain and may have missed one or two releases ;-)e >l, > > My (perhaps limited) understanding [...] >r2 > Yes, that's my problem too. But I found the FAQ:C > http://www.uk.pgp.net/pgpnet/pgp-faq/. Maybe this is what you arel > interested in. >n5 > > Is anyone working for OpenVMS interests in GnuPG?o > I > I found no reference on VMS on http://www.gnupg.org/. So maybe there isl	 > nobody.e   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:14:40 +0000 (UTC)b+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)o; Subject: Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?t+ Message-ID: <amgdlg$jp6$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>s  W In article <amg68o$g8d$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM> writes:iF >OpenVMS engineering is investigating a port of GnuPG 1.0.7 to be made
 >available8 >like Stunnel is under GPL as Open Source Tools project. >rH >Given recent news on GnuPG some folks may have second thoughts about it) >http://online.securityfocus.com/news/576aI >Right now we are proceeding but I'm not sure how many folks will want it  >when it's doneu > B >It'll be available from http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/ >--R    $ Great. I'll certainly be interested.K As to the security hole. I wouldn't worry too much. Until a fix is produced/O just be aware it's possible and don't encrypt a reply to a nonsense message you  receive.  J I'm sure that whatever encryption you want to use for mail - pgp, smime orK something else - there are bound to be problems found in the future such as M this which depend on the attacker fooling the participants into behaving in aa certain manner.e    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:48:12 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e; Subject: Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA? H Message-ID: <glPi9.69186$8b1.48065@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM> wrote in messagea$ news:amg68o$g8d$1@web1.cup.hp.com...G > OpenVMS engineering is investigating a port of GnuPG 1.0.7 to be maden > availableo9 > like Stunnel is under GPL as Open Source Tools project.n >uI > Given recent news on GnuPG some folks may have second thoughts about it.* > http://online.securityfocus.com/news/576J > Right now we are proceeding but I'm not sure how many folks will want it > when it's done >nC > It'll be available from http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/m > -- > Leo Demers" > OpenVMS Security Product Manager > Leo_dot_Demers_at_HP_dot_COM >y    K One of the biggest potential benefits from having a command-line version ofgK PGP available on VMS will be to open VMS up as a viable platform for FIX, ae= financial industry standard for order routing and management.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 06:28:37 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>m; Subject: Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?i' Message-ID: <3D8BF576.A5AD111F@Free.fr>e   David Webb wrote:i >  ../..oM > As to the security hole. I wouldn't worry too much. Until a fix is producediM > just be aware it's possible and don't encrypt a reply to a nonsense messaget > you receive.  ' Where can we read more on this subject?i   Tx.m D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.521 ************************