1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 21 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 522       Contents: Re: CLD question& delete/erase & init/erase w/dod_erapat* Re: delete/erase & init/erase w/dod_erapat Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: EDIT question.P Re: ETS is only a couple of weeks away - Leper colony - how many of you are atte Re: Fortran and Unix Re: Fortran and Unix Re: Fortran and Unix Re: Fortran and Unix Re: Fortran and UnixP RE: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te Re: ftp client API for C++ Re: ftp client API for C++> Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish.> Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish.* Re: I need help with a DECserver 700-08!!!A Re: Legacy Win: NASA Kills 'Wounded' Launch System Upgrade at KSC A Re: Legacy Win: NASA Kills 'Wounded' Launch System Upgrade at KSC  Re: Marketing suggestion Re: OpenVMS SIG 0 Re: Oracle RDB 8.0 = Oracle RDB for Itanium ???? Re: So help me understand herE. 3 Re: Storing username/password for external services > Re: TCPIP$TELNETSYM characteristics varying on per-queue basis Re: VMS Alpha and sound.0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these) VMS, C++ and flush Re: VMS, C++ and flush2 Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?2 Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?2 Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 04:57:11 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: CLD question , Message-ID: <3D8C3467.3D36636A@videotron.ca>  9 Thanks for all your comments. I think I have found a way:    DEFINE VERB CHOCOLATE   	QUALIFIER LIST, syntax=list_syn2 	PARAMETER P1, required,prompt="Enter pastry name" 	QUALIFIER WHIPPED_CREAM 	QUALIFIER MOUSSE  	QUALIFIER DARK    DEFINE SYNTAX list_syn 	QUALIFIER LIST,default  	NOPARAMETER> 	QUALIFIER OUTPUT, value (default="SYS$OUTPUT", type=$OUTFILE)    N when you say CHOCOLATE /LIST, the /LIST is consumed and disapears. This is whyJ one must make /LIST appear in the alternate syntax as a default qualifier,& otherwise one would have to specicify:; CHOCOLATE /LIST /LIST. Took a while to figure that one out.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:38:03 GMT % From: Dec Vax Vms <decvaxvms@cox.net> / Subject: delete/erase & init/erase w/dod_erapat ' Message-ID: <3D8C3D9B.81AAC3DA@cox.net>    Hi, B     I am wanting to use a greater level of security when using the= /erase qualifier.  There is an example in sys$examples called E dod_erapat.mar.  I have followed the information as documented.  Does E anyone know if when I use the delete/erase or initialize/erase if the B eraparloa.exe ($erapat) is automatically called?  There is not any< indication or response message that the function was called.   /David   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2002 08:05:00 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 3 Subject: Re: delete/erase & init/erase w/dod_erapat 3 Message-ID: <k1dYSyE4dHit@eisner.encompasserve.org>   O In article <3D8C3D9B.81AAC3DA@cox.net>, Dec Vax Vms <decvaxvms@cox.net> writes:  > Hi, D >     I am wanting to use a greater level of security when using the? > /erase qualifier.  There is an example in sys$examples called G > dod_erapat.mar.  I have followed the information as documented.  Does G > anyone know if when I use the delete/erase or initialize/erase if the D > eraparloa.exe ($erapat) is automatically called?  There is not any> > indication or response message that the function was called.  H If you follow all the instructions (and they have no typos) it is called automatically.  E If you are concerned, you could write a temporary dod_erapat.mar that C fills in with the letter "A" and see if that is the result when you  use /ERASE.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:25:56 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters 5 Message-ID: <amhl0t$5vfi1$2@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   E The problem is similar to what sailors experienced 200 years ago: for L navigating take either one clock or three (more than three was too expensive anyway). Never take two.4 That same rule still applies for VMS clusters today!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:06:49 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ' Subject: RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A2B@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,   E >> Remember that Microsoft will have no problems marketing a disaster E tolerant wintel solution that needs only 2 sites. (even if it doesn't  quite work).<<  G For those familiar with reality of these types of scenario's, check out > the following for a discussion of the third site requirements:H http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/unix/illuminata_dt_unix_research_note.pd f   G Also, note the diagram on pg 2 for differences between various options.    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]=20   Sent: September 20, 2002 3:20 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters      "Main, Kerry" wrote:7 > The issue of 3 sites is not specifically a VMS thing.  >=20J > The issue is that if A or B suddenly don't agree on who is in charge,=20- > someone has to referee and make a decision.   D I don't have a foolproof solution. I was merely suggesting that withH VMS's expertise in clustering, it would be very nice to find some methodF to allow lower end clusters to functions with only 2 sites which would> give VMS a vast advance/advantage over other cluster wannabes.  A Remember thatMicrosoft will have no problems marketing a disaster E tolerant wintel solution that needs only 2 sites. (even if it doesn't  quite work).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:32:36 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: EDIT question. 5 Message-ID: <amhld5$5un3n$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   < "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> schreef in bericht& news:3D8B668E.792A96A6@videotron.ca... > Didier Morandi wrote: H > > And, as Hoff said in Lyon the other month, don't ask where you could find. > > documentation on undocumented features :-) >  > < > Where can we find documentation on undocumented features ? >  > :-) 6 Google returns two hits on "VMS undocumented features"  ) www.decus.de:8080/www/vms/qaa/undoc.htmlx    www.lp.se/documents/VMS.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:09:32 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG Y Subject: Re: ETS is only a couple of weeks away - Leper colony - how many of you are atte 0 Message-ID: <00A144CE.ADCF76F9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <857e9e41.0209201238.4ae640de@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes: , >For the non leper's here is an explanation. > < >At DECUS there are a few of us that get together for liquidG >refreshment.  We called ourselves the Leper colony because some of the F >folks smoke and they have to sit outside (at least in LA)and the restD >of them would join them.  Mainly because they are great company and >VMS bigots.   Hey, I resemble that remark.  G >Send me mail and we can arrange a time.  If I remember correctly there # >are several brew pubs in St Louis.  > . >This is going to be great week, see you soon. >  >Sue  E I'm sharing a room with one of the lepers!  He'll have to perform his D leprous habits on the balcony.  Here's to hoping that our room has a balcony.  < Mr. James O. Hibbits (da leper) and myself will be availble.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:04:45 GMT ( From: Carlo <carlo.pettirossi@libero.it> Subject: Re: Fortran and Unix ) Message-ID: <3D8C4455.E2E3E7F8@libero.it>   5 those who know me have no need of my name ha scritto:    > [fu-t set] >   > in comp.unix.questions i read: > J > >3) in an internal network (no SSH needed) i need to execute a script onJ > >a unix machine from a vax machine. I checked up into the inetd.conf andJ > >the demon rshd is uncommented. I put the name of the vax machine in theI > >hosts.equiv and in the .rlogin file in my $HOME dir. Is there anything K > >left to avoid the connection refuse from the remote (unix) by using rsh?  > M > connection refused means that the appropriate magic hasn't been done on the < > target host.  discuss the problem with it's administrator.  E As were I work there is no proper administrator, may I ask what's the O appropriate magic that hasn't been done? Or at least, can someone tell me where O to find some exaustive documentation concerning this topic. I keep on searching L and the only docs I found mention that the only "magic" to be done is modifyC the hosts.equiv as well as the .rhosts file in the $HOME directory.    Cheers   Carlo    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:22:08 GMT G From: stevens@mklog4.rsc.raytheon.com (#Harold Stevens US.972.952.3293)  Subject: Re: Fortran and Unix < Message-ID: <slrnaoolis.pc5.stevens@mklog4.rsc.raytheon.com>  ( In <3D8C4455.E2E3E7F8@libero.it>, Carlo:  	 [Snip...]   F >As were I work there is no proper administrator, may I ask what's the) >appropriate magic that hasn't been done?   	 [Snip...]   F Shot in the dark: some (most? all?) *nix systems require .rhosts to be4 user-read only (i.e., no "group" or "other" access):  ,                         chmod go-rwx .rhosts   so it looks like  B    -rw-------    1 stevens  users         148 Sep  9 08:50 .rhosts  F Also, I have a blank line at the end of my .rhosts files and I vaguelyF recall some *nix (Irix?) seem to like .rhosts better with a blank lineG at the end (I haven't the slightest clue why or if it's still useful).    , Again, apologies for shooting in the dark...   --    @ Regards, Weird (Harold Stevens) * IMPORTANT EMAIL INFO FOLLOWS *@ Pardon any bogus email addresses (mklog*) in place for spambots.@ Really it's (wyrd) at raytheon, dotted with com. DO NOT SPAM IT.@ Standard Disclaimer: These are my opinions not Raytheon Company.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:59:52 -0400   From: "Dan" <bill@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: Fortran and Unix < Message-ID: <lY_i9.50711$P77.829099@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>  5 "Carlo" <carlo.pettirossi@libero.it> wrote in message # news:3D8C4455.E2E3E7F8@libero.it...  >  > 7 > those who know me have no need of my name ha scritto:  >  > > [fu-t set] > > " > > in comp.unix.questions i read: > > L > > >3) in an internal network (no SSH needed) i need to execute a script onL > > >a unix machine from a vax machine. I checked up into the inetd.conf andL > > >the demon rshd is uncommented. I put the name of the vax machine in theK > > >hosts.equiv and in the .rlogin file in my $HOME dir. Is there anything H > > >left to avoid the connection refuse from the remote (unix) by using rsh? > > K > > connection refused means that the appropriate magic hasn't been done on  the > > > target host.  discuss the problem with it's administrator. > G > As were I work there is no proper administrator, may I ask what's the K > appropriate magic that hasn't been done? Or at least, can someone tell me  where G > to find some exaustive documentation concerning this topic. I keep on 	 searching G > and the only docs I found mention that the only "magic" to be done is  modifyE > the hosts.equiv as well as the .rhosts file in the $HOME directory.  >  > Cheers >  > Carlo  >   K Do any other network functions work between the two?  telnet?  ftp?  I take J it that the vax is not running VMS, no need for rsh there.  You might wantI to see if the port numbers for the services actually match up between the  two unix's.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:25:03 GMT 0 From: Ron Shepard <ron-shepard@NOSPAM.attbi.com> Subject: Re: Fortran and Unix A Message-ID: <ron-shepard-A0766C.11250221092002@netnews.attbi.com>   < In article <lY_i9.50711$P77.829099@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,"  "Dan" <bill@microsoft.com> wrote:  M > Do any other network functions work between the two?  telnet?  ftp?  I take L > it that the vax is not running VMS, no need for rsh there.  You might wantK > to see if the port numbers for the services actually match up between the 
 > two unix's.   @ I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but even if ssh isn't B "needed", it is still the easiest way to accomplish the task.  If A you want to avoid using passwords, you can edit the files in the  @ $HOME/.ssh/ directory on the unix machine to allow logins (from B known hosts) without a password.  In practice, it works just like C rsh using .rhosts, but it allows authentication without clear-text  
 passwords.   $.02 -Ron Shepard    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2002 09:39:17 -0700* From: Richard Maine <nospam@see.signature> Subject: Re: Fortran and Unix - Message-ID: <m2ptv79u16.fsf@vega.dsl.att.net>   * Carlo <carlo.pettirossi@libero.it> writes:  2   [on connection refused problems with rlogin/rsh]  G > As were I work there is no proper administrator, may I ask what's the Q > appropriate magic that hasn't been done? Or at least, can someone tell me where @ > to find some exaustive documentation concerning this topic....  ? This doesn't really fit in comp.lang.fortran (though one of the ? questions in the OP did), so I think I'll redirect followups to  comp.unix.questions.  D Its hard to tell you where to find a good single source for all suchF things.  Being really good at sysadmin is a full-time job.  Most of usA (certaionly myself included) fumble along at a level far short of > perfection.  I know some books I like, such as the purple bookD (Unix System Administration Handbook, by Nemeth et all, 3rd edition;C don't settle for the 2nd edition).  But these things change, so any # single source will get out of date.   I I don't recall that you mentioned the particular unix system in question. D It can matter.  There are some fairly broad principles that apply toF many systems, but there are other things that depend on the particularF system and even the particular release.  Security features (which this< is in the area of) have had a lot of change in recent years.  C For example, if you are on a RedHat Linux system of recent vintage, A the rlogin and rsh daemons aren't active by default.  You have to @ change disable from yes to no in the /etc/xinetd.d/rlogin or rshA file.  (I hate such double negatives - seems to me like the field A should be named enable instead of disable, but I digress).  Also, B you could be blocked by the internal firewall, which is controlledC by the /etc/sysconfig/ipchains file (which is a bit cryptic to edit ' by hand, though I've learned to do so).    --  
 Richard Maine  email: my last name at domain  domain: isomedia dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:59:03 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> Y Subject: RE: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D966F@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Re: Duct tape -   G >>>There is even a weekly national TV program called the Red Green Show E which teaches young Canadians  (and not so young) the various ways to  use duct tape.>>>    Reference: (long url will wrap) J http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/item.asp?Catalog=3DBooks&Section=3DBooks&Ca= t=3D& J Lang=3Den&Item=3D978076112110&mscssid=3D0JRTE0W5W4AN8NBDH3218JALB8CL7XX5&= WSID=3D ( 0909C855BC6065E8438288E335FE4D0B50BD5421   "The Jumbo Duct Tape Book" ISBN: 0761121102  ? "Did you know that duct tape can turn any item of clothing into H rainwear? That duct tape over a computer screen will keep your kids fromC surfing naughty sites on the Web? That a perfect solution for those C easy-to-lose TV remotes is to duct tape them to your arm? (Not only C won't you lose it, you'll never have to relinquish control over it, G either!) But can you also believe that Jim and Tim's creative ideas for B duct tape spawned not just one bestselling book, but three, plus aA calendar? And now the ultimate collection? With two-thirds of the D material drawn from their previous books and calendars and one-thirdF all-new, The Jumbo Duct Tape Book is pure nuttiness to the nth degree.F The premise is right there, on page one: "One rule can get you throughF life. It if ain't stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it." But ofD course it's the intrepretation that counts- like duct taping the gasH pedal for cruise control, or duct taping marbles to your pressure pointsG for instant reflexology. And then there's bending the rule-transforming G sneakers into golf shoes by punching nails through duct tape and taping @ it to the soles, saving energy by taping all switches in the offD position. Plus cosmetic dentistry (use white tape for the "The Mask"G look, silver for the metal-mouth bad guy look), cell phone safety (tape A phone to side of head while driving so hands stay on wheel), home C decorating (use duct tape for easy drapery tie-backs). You can even F convert the book to a "hard cover" by taping a piece of 1/4 inch sheetC of plate steel to the front and back covers. It'll last for years!"    Enjoy !    :-)   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]=20   Sent: September 20, 2002 8:22 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com E Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA H OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp Advanced Technical Bootcamp Advanced Technical Bootcamp     "Main, Kerry" wrote:' > >>> They use duct tape over there?<<<  >=20H > The Canadian tool kit has two primary tools which typically address=20 > most	 > issues-  >=20: > If it moves and it should not - duct tape is the answer.: > If it does not move and it should - WD-40 is the answer.    D There is even a weekly national TV program called the Red Green ShowE which teaches young canadians  (and not so young) the various ways to  use duct tape.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:31:47 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> # Subject: Re: ftp client API for C++ ; Message-ID: <XEZi9.12391$_S6.1929727@news20.bellglobal.com>    [snip] >  > F > This was discussed here some time ago (use google for more details).J > Essentially, for the Digital/compaq/hp procust TCPIP Services V5.x , you are 3 > out of luck. I believe that Multinet may have it.  >  [snip]  I If you are using the TCPware stack from Process Software then you are "in L luck" because I use the "FTP Library" and "Telnet Library" APIs all the timeC from Compaq-BASIC (even though they were written with "C" in mind.) ) http://www.process.com/tcpip/tcpware.html   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:28:26 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)# Subject: Re: ftp client API for C++ ; Message-ID: <3d8c73fa.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote: > NewYorker wrote:J > > I'm looking for ftp client API like those found in <afxinet.h> for C++I > > implementation under AIX 4.3 and OpenVMS 7.2.  I need to do basic ftp . > > functionality like login, list, get files. ... I > You can also use Kermit which can be compiled into a shareable/callable * > image. (a friend of mine once did that).  G I haven't followed that topic in-deep, but if noone has been found that ? has ported the FTP part of C-Kermit to VMS, it doesn't have it.    cu,    Martin --  D                         | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer1  VMS is today what      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de E  Microsoft wants        |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 8  Windows NT 8.0 to be!  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Sep 02 12:01:34 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) G Subject: Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish. ) Message-ID: <zDzk59hNc7ni@elias.decus.ch>   { In article <3D8A33D5.5CB@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>, Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> writes:  > Paul Sture wrote:  >>  B >> In addition to my other response, does anyone know of a freely F >> available utility which you can feed a url to check for broken url 1 >> links, (preferably running on VMS, of course)?  > B > There are several written in Perl. I don't know if they work on 2 > VMS or at all. See the links at the bottom of : % > http://linkchecker.sourceforge.net/  >   A Thanks. Slightly hit by RPM and .tar.gz formats there, but that's  what other OSes are for :-)    __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Sep 02 12:43:21 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) G Subject: Re: HTML to browse the Freeware CDs - grab a copy if you wish. ) Message-ID: <VVGS3GvtNE4c@elias.decus.ch>   T In article <3D883221.A464C035@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > Paul Sture wrote:  >>  f >> In article <nWC5pb6Pdk0M@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:| >> > In article <01KMLQ7A4H1U9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:M >> >>> I am seeking a replacement for the existing character-cell menu system P >> >>> presently used for the OpenVMS Freeware, and submissions of a replacementM >> >>> HTML-based menuing system would be appreciated.  (The existing menuing I >> >>> system is good, but does not particularly lend itself to the web.)  >> >> L >> >> Can it please be an additional option, not a replacement?  Only rarelyM >> >> do web interfaces work better than character-cell interfaces which they 7 >> >> replace.  Not all folks will use it over the web.  >> >H >> >    The pages at http://www.sture.homeip.net do read fairly well viaK >> >    lynx, although a bit staggered.  (And the freeware50/cd link points & >> >    to a path that doesn't exist). >> > >>  K >> In addition to my other response, does anyone know of a freely available B >> utility which you can feed a url to check for broken url links,* >> (preferably running on VMS, of course)? > C > Well, if I could refer you to my submission to the Freeware V5...  > DEBUG_HTML > J > OK, it's pretty basic, but it is designed to test HTML in an environmentJ > I use, and could be taught to be much cleverer, but could form the basis > of something.  >   I That's useful thanks, and has already brought up a load of cruft. A handy  tool indeed.  > I still have to go elsewhere to check out external references.   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:19:30 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>3 Subject: Re: I need help with a DECserver 700-08!!! 5 Message-ID: <amhrl9$61c8j$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   4 "Jeff" <scada@cyberunlimited.org> schreef in bericht7 news:39ac55d0.0209181206.5cde2066@posting.google.com... K > I am trying to access this DECserver. HOwever, I can't get a LOCAL Prompt  on anyK > of the 8 ports. I know it's Ethernet Address, but I don't want to have to H > set up another Node on my Network, just so I can talk to the DECserver when I'mJ > planning on changing it's address anyway. Why is it not answering on the ports?I > How can I gain access to it? Where can I find a Firmware Manual for it?  > L The DS700-8 needs an operating system. It either has a flash card installed,F so it will even run in standalone mode, or it gets its software from a; properly configured host. The protocols used are MOP or IP. : If you have a VMS system around with phase iv DECnet, try:   $ MC NCPK NCP> show know circ        !  lists the name for the circuit, esa-0, isa-0,  una-0 ; NCP> connect via <circ> physical address <hardware address>   ; The hardware address is something like 00-00-f8-hh-hh-hh or  08-00-2b-hh-hh-hh    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:58:45 GMT $ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUJ Subject: Re: Legacy Win: NASA Kills 'Wounded' Launch System Upgrade at KSC8 Message-ID: <00A144AB.A567010B@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  s In article <3D8AF738.1F43F473@mediasec.de>, Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> writes: F >At some place in the article, the cost-to-completion was estimated atN >around $560M. That's at least 3000 person-years of effort, for some 3 millionG >lines of code (why so much, anyway?). So a person on this project does G >1000 lines of code per year, or about 4 lines per average working day. 0 >Man, what would I give to have a job like that.  N That might be four _debugged_ lines per working day, or four formally-verified: lines, etc.  And it might have included, oh, say, testing.  L (I didn't mention this when the discussion came around the first time, but IM used to work for a company run by the guy who managed the IBM programmers on  M the ModComp machines for this system.  He said IBM had lowballed the software M bid expecting to get the hardware contract, and they were sure surprised when  ModComp got it     HeL ended up being favorably impressed with the ModComp hardware (mostly becauseJ it was cheap) and didn't have a chance to get unimpressed with the ModCompK software, so when his brother started a Hollywood casting agency and bought M out the service bureau on the first floor of the new building and brought him M out to run it, he converted to ModComps - which was where I came in.  We were I doing movie and TV production accounting in Fortran on ModComp using the  N MAX III (and years later, MAX IV on 32-bit) operating systems.  The productionK accounting on various not-very-good 1980s movies and some TV shows (notably M "MAGNUM, PI"; we all hoped the mini they had on location would break down so  N we could get free trips to Hawaii to fix it, but that never worked for me) wasB done with this hardware, and eventually Lorimar Productions boughtM half-ownership and we developed a whole corporate accounting system for them; O I personally wrote an episodic-television budgeting package that was considered O the best in the industry at that time.  After I left Lorimar got a VAX 8600 and O converted all this working Fortran stuff to COBOL and DBMS, because it was what  management understood.)      -- Alan    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2002 09:08:18 -0700* From: thinkbasic@netscape.net (Thinkbasic)J Subject: Re: Legacy Win: NASA Kills 'Wounded' Launch System Upgrade at KSC< Message-ID: <3b3693bc.0209210808.b9e11fb@posting.google.com>   http://www.nasa.tvd winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote in message news:<00A144AB.A567010B@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...u > In article <3D8AF738.1F43F473@mediasec.de>, Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> writes: H > >At some place in the article, the cost-to-completion was estimated atP > >around $560M. That's at least 3000 person-years of effort, for some 3 millionI > >lines of code (why so much, anyway?). So a person on this project does I > >1000 lines of code per year, or about 4 lines per average working day. 2 > >Man, what would I give to have a job like that. > P > That might be four _debugged_ lines per working day, or four formally-verified< > lines, etc.  And it might have included, oh, say, testing. > N > (I didn't mention this when the discussion came around the first time, but IO > used to work for a company run by the guy who managed the IBM programmers on  O > the ModComp machines for this system.  He said IBM had lowballed the software O > bid expecting to get the hardware contract, and they were sure surprised when  > ModComp got it >  >   HeN > ended up being favorably impressed with the ModComp hardware (mostly becauseL > it was cheap) and didn't have a chance to get unimpressed with the ModCompM > software, so when his brother started a Hollywood casting agency and bought O > out the service bureau on the first floor of the new building and brought him O > out to run it, he converted to ModComps - which was where I came in.  We were K > doing movie and TV production accounting in Fortran on ModComp using the  P > MAX III (and years later, MAX IV on 32-bit) operating systems.  The productionM > accounting on various not-very-good 1980s movies and some TV shows (notably O > "MAGNUM, PI"; we all hoped the mini they had on location would break down so  P > we could get free trips to Hawaii to fix it, but that never worked for me) wasD > done with this hardware, and eventually Lorimar Productions boughtO > half-ownership and we developed a whole corporate accounting system for them; Q > I personally wrote an episodic-television budgeting package that was considered Q > the best in the industry at that time.  After I left Lorimar got a VAX 8600 and Q > converted all this working Fortran stuff to COBOL and DBMS, because it was what  > management understood.)  >  > 	 > -- Alan    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:19:13 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: Marketing suggestion G Message-ID: <R50j9.10791$q41.6999@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   K As found on-line today while searching for reviews of a new book, "High And H Mighty - SUVs: The World's Most Dangerous Vehicles And How They Got That Way". L http://thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_TL ype1&c=Article&cid=1026145432068&call_page=TS_Wheels&call_pageid=96886749708. 8&call_pagepath=Weekly/Wheels&col=969048871196    L Read the last line and think of Windows & unix. And that, my friends, is theK same type of job that Microsoft and all the unix advertising does. Wouldn't C it be nice if HP spent the same relative amounts on advertising its K respective operating systems as those systems bring in profits? Bet we'd be 3 seeing a reasonable amount of VMS advertising then.   # -----------------------------------   I While their popularity remains undiminished, SUVs are increasingly coming I under attack for their inadequacies with respect to safety, emissions and C fuel economy. In New York City recently, a group of pro-environment J protesters took to the streets, plastering anti-SUV propaganda designed to- look like parking tickets on parked vehicles.   J That attack is about to gain further momentum with the publication of HighL And Mighty - SUVs: The World's Most Dangerous Vehicles And How They Got That Way.  L Not surprising, the possibility of a social backlash against SUVs, which areL their cash cows, has upset automakers. So much so the Alliance of AutomobileK Manufacturers has issued a statement extolling the virtues of sport-utility 	 vehicles.   D Citing a survey conducted for the group by R.L. Polk & Co., it says,H "sport-utility vehicles are increasingly popular with American consumersI because of their safety during hazardous weather conditions and for their G overall versatility for work and family." It adds 24 per cent of owners ) indicate they "feel very safe" in an SUV.   K More than 79 per cent, it says, "reported using their SUVs in harsh weather I for greater vehicle control." And it quotes Polk analyst Kimberly Bird as L stating, "it is no secret that weather (snow, sleet, rain, etc.) is a commonK safety concern of drivers. Owner feedback from this study reveals that SUVs L give drivers the piece (sic) of mind that their vehicle is flexible and able4 to handle any inclement weather they may encounter."  G The press release is long on rhetoric but absent of supporting data for K anything but public perceptions. If the industry's purpose is to defuse the I potential damage that may result from publication of High And Mighty, its ! strategy could hardly seem worse.   L It is exactly those perceptions, and the corresponding rhetoric, that author# Kieth Bradsher targets in the book.   G Further fuel has been added to the anti-SUV fire by a report called "AnSL Analysis of Traffic Deaths by Vehicle Type and Model," released earlier thisJ summer. It was prepared by Tom Wenzel, an energy analyst with the LawrenceJ Berkeley National Laboratory's Environmental Energy Technologies Division,J and Marc Ross, a professor in the University of Michigan's Applied Physics Department.   G That report concludes that, "most cars are safer than the average" SUV, B while identifying pickup trucks as presenting an even higher risk.  J Unlike most studies that consider only the occupants of a given vehicle inF assessing its safety, the Berkeley/Michigan study considered "combinedJ risk" - which includes the risk to occupants of other vehicles involved in< crashes with it. The study looked at driver deaths per-year,@ per-million-vehicles sold in the U.S. for model years 1995-1999.  H Wenzel and Ross determined that SUVs and pickup trucks are substantiallyJ more dangerous to occupants of other vehicles than are passenger cars. ButK contrary to conventional wisdom, they also found that, on average, SUVs areeJ no safer than cars for their own occupants - in part, at least, because of  their greater risk of roll-over.  K In fact, many small and mid-size cars have lower fatality rates among theirrL own drivers than SUVs. The safest vehicles of all, the report concludes, are import-brand luxury cars.u  D The report's conclusions concerning the safety of SUVs substantiallyK corroborate the evidence Bradsher presents in his book. It is hard to argue  with the facts.-  J Will buyers consider those facts when shopping for their next vehicles? It# is unlikely, according to Bradsher.F  J The purchase of an SUV, he says, is "a triumph of image and marketing over practicality."   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:03:25 GMTa From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: OpenVMS SIG0 Message-ID: <00A144CD.D3328C6F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <857e9e41.0209201232.2af35d06@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:, >Brian,  >PD >If you go to the url in the orignial post you will see that you canF >register for the SIG and there is also something like a notes file as- >well (I forgot the name of what its called).h  4 http://www.encompassus.org/community/sigs/index.html  G I still don't see it.  All I can find is a signup for the mailing list.h   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:08:39 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>9 Subject: Re: Oracle RDB 8.0 = Oracle RDB for Itanium ????p* Message-ID: <00A14509.3B097BE6.6@decus.de>  5 "norm lastovica" <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> wrote:n  < > According to what you can read and learn on the Oracle Rdb9 > web set (www.oracle.com/rdb) and so on, Rdb 8.0 was ther7 > name for the (now) unsupported Oracle Rdb NT release.c >n > [...]e   Re: "reading and learning" ...  ? The result is simply a plain white page, nothing else. CheckingpC www.oracle.com there is a tiny remark at the top of the page sayingw2 "This page requires a JavaScript-enabled browser."  ? I suppose JavaScript isn't liked very much in the VMS communitymB regardless of the system (VMS, Winwoes or something else) which is used to view that page.    Michaelt   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:54:57 -0400_) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>n( Subject: Re: So help me understand herE.; Message-ID: <E_Zi9.12520$_S6.1936747@news20.bellglobal.com>p  ' You guys are preaching to the choir :-)?  I Seriously, here is the point I was trying to make to the guy that startedlJ this thread: younger IT staff only think of Windows or some flavor of UNIXK and "one" of the reasons for this is advertising/editorial content in those_L trade rags (which are also delivered to college and university campuses thus perpetuating the OS myth).  L Now one of the "rag" advertisers is HP who are flogging their flavor of UNIXI called HP/UX. Since the HP/Compaq merger I have been seeing a little moregJ attention being paid to OpenVMS via HP marketing (press releases etc.). SoK just maybe, we'll start to see the occasional OpenVMS advert in those tradeo rags.h  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,y Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/V6 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/vms_vs_unix.html   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2002 15:49:23 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>D< Subject: Re: Storing username/password for external services6 Message-ID: <20020921154923.13556.qmail@nym.alias.net>  C On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:eK >I currently have a POP client that interfaces to Message router. It has anwN >indexed file which contains information on my various POP accounts on variousM >servers as well as the message router destination for mail picked up there. m >t >tG >However, I know that in the long term, I will have to migrate this offc. >message-router/all-in-1 probably to VMS mail. >aL >In doing so, I would like to make something that can be used by others. AndN >for this, I would want some sort of account information/password storage that >would be acceptable.- > L >If I kept a single file to store account information for all users who wantO >their pop mail transfered automativally from remote systems to the VMS system, O >would this be totally unacceptable ? If the file were owned by the UIC runninggO >the POP software with no access by anyone else, except one utility that allows=N >a user to register/modify his profile (such a utility woudl ensure a user can5 >only see his own record), would that be acceptable ?t  J Reasonably well written, it would be a significant improvement over havingJ the user put all his mail passwords into an M$ application. However, if anK attacker gains access to the file, or privileged access on the system, theye4 have every single pop username/password combination.  N >In a central file concept, would some simple 2 way encryption of the passwordM >be required ? Or is keeping the file secure sufficient without requiring its" >contents to be encrypted ?:  G What do you want to protect against with encryption? Whoever has SYSTEM F access on the machine can read the passwords. All they'd need to do is4 sniff the outgoing POP traffic, that is unencrypted.  M >Or would the only solution to have the central file contain only the list of L >users, and then have each user have some control file in his SYS$%LOGIN and+ >that file would contain the account info ?  >  >Any other paradigm ?t  J Keeping it in the user directory makes it a lot more difficult for someoneH to get all the passwords. I would then encrypt it, and the user would beJ required to enter the decryption passphrase for the polling of the various POP servers to occur.   C In this way no attacker is instantly going to get all usernames and0
 passwords.     Doc. -- r6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.nete   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:09:07 +0200h/ From: Oswald Knoppers <oswald@knippie.demon.nl>lG Subject: Re: TCPIP$TELNETSYM characteristics varying on per-queue basis / Message-ID: <3D8C2923.2020706@knippie.demon.nl>    Rich Jordan wrote:  C > Can we set the streams logical to '1', then preset the systemwiderB > TCPIP$TELNETSYM... logicals, then start the relevant queue, thenH > preset the next set of systemwide logicals, start the next queue, etc,D > and have it work?  I can't test right now due to system productionD > scheduling.  It seems awfully inelegant, but we need to get things) > straightened out.  Thanks for any info.   H Yes you can. The symbiont will check all these logicals when starting a 6 queue. Change them back and start your other queue(s).   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:45:29 +0200s* From: Patrick Moreau <pmoreau@ath.cena.fr>! Subject: Re: VMS Alpha and sound.12 Message-ID: <3d8c4e39$0$591$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Hello,E Compaq Ensoniq AudioPCI works great on DS10. What AXP MOBO have you ?   ? For older systems, a Microsoft compatible sound card may be OK.e  I You need MMOV (Multimedia Services for OpenVMS) to make use of the sound o card.e   Patrick    John Clausen wrote: K > Hello, I have an Alpha AXP main board that does not have sound built in.   > 5 > What sound cards are compatible with OpenVMS Alpha?a > N > I checked the OpenVMS FAQ and didn't really find any information that would  > help.l > 	 > Thanks,e >  > John >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:02:23 +0200a. From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <ThomasPauli@arcor.de>9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)o' Message-ID: <3D8C43AF.9000504@arcor.de>d  ? Simply true. I can compare OpenVMS and Solaris on a daily base.e   Bob Ceculski schrieb: h > "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:<UCHi9.4027$yB5.166527@twister.tampabay.rr.com>... > J >>If we ignore lessons of the past (Usually a very unwise move), and if weK >>focus on what is happening today, what is the prognosis for the future of  >>VMS. >>G >>Is your outlook for the future of VMS currently Negative,  Neutral orr
 >>PositiveG >>Has you outlook for the future of VMS changed in the past year?  How?F >> >  > @ > VMS is the only secure, stable, disaster tolerant solution out( > there right now ... what do you think?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:16:42 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)o5 Message-ID: <amhl0m$5vfi1$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>r   [snip] > G > Pro-VMS: Some active, but relatively impotent efforts, though the IPFxD > port would be more significant if IPF were a currently marketable,J > volume-shippable, ready-for-prime-time product - it remains vaporware at@ > this writing by that definition. IA32 is virtually universallyE > ubiquitous and would make by far a better target, regardless of thelI > technological challenges that represents. (Again, understand that I am,dG > AFAIK, the only person currently active in this newsgroup who holds aF- > working understanding of why that is true.)o  G Interesting remark. Would you care to elaborate on that last statement?.  J > Anti-VMS: Mostly passive, such as failure to advertise, failure to priceG > competitively, failure to aggresively pursue ISVs and the markets the  [snip]   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:55:07 GMT-# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>.9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)eG Message-ID: <fL%i9.85233$U_.61216@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>n  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0209201818.4dc436d2@posting.google.com...  > @ > VMS is the only secure, stable, disaster tolerant solution out( > there right now ... what do you think?     In truth, NSK ain't bad either.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:14:53 +0200t9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>r Subject: VMS, C++ and flushf' Message-ID: <3D8C388D.322EE71D@aaa.com>    Hi.(7 The last couple of days, I'v looked into a problem witht: a C++ program. I have now found a solution to the problem,+ but I still don't understand what happened.i  	 Scenario: 8 A C++ application works just OK on all systems, but one.9 The application is rather simple, reads on text file with?; 500 char blocks of data, moves the data around a little anda6 writes a new textfil with 80 char blocks with a subset of the data.  ; On this single system, the output file got currupted, thereo) was a lot of <null>'s around in the file.s  6 After studying the output file, I found that the first4 <null> character always was after 1024 characters in9 the output file. I thought about buffering and flushing,  9 and tried to insert a flush() on the output stream in the < application after each 80 char records was written. And that
 solved it.  : It looks like this system fills the current 80 char record9 with nulls up to a full record at each (automatic) flush.N= Doing a flush when I know that the record is complete, solvedr it.e  5 Now, how come that this application works fine on allc+ other systems without the explicit flush().v  3 The problem system is a DS20e/633 with VMS 7.3. Allo. pathes looks fine. The other systems are a lot0 of different types and versions, including V7.3.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:25:31 +0200u" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: VMS, C++ and flusha5 Message-ID: <amhhf2$5t3gn$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>i  5 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> schreef in bericht ! news:3D8C388D.322EE71D@aaa.com...c > Hi. 9 > The last couple of days, I'v looked into a problem withn< > a C++ program. I have now found a solution to the problem,- > but I still don't understand what happened.t >b > Scenario:a: > A C++ application works just OK on all systems, but one.; > The application is rather simple, reads on text file with0= > 500 char blocks of data, moves the data around a little andu8 > writes a new textfil with 80 char blocks with a subset > of the data. > = > On this single system, the output file got currupted, theren+ > was a lot of <null>'s around in the file.r > 8 > After studying the output file, I found that the first6 > <null> character always was after 1024 characters in: > the output file. I thought about buffering and flushing,; > and tried to insert a flush() on the output stream in thei> > application after each 80 char records was written. And that > solved it. >I< > It looks like this system fills the current 80 char record; > with nulls up to a full record at each (automatic) flush.h? > Doing a flush when I know that the record is complete, solved  > it.r >o7 > Now, how come that this application works fine on all - > other systems without the explicit flush().s >e5 > The problem system is a DS20e/633 with VMS 7.3. AllN0 > pathes looks fine. The other systems are a lot2 > of different types and versions, including V7.3. >s > Jan-Erik Sderholm.aF wild guess 1: are the SYSGEN PQL_* parameters the same on all systems?F wild guess 2: are the RMS settings the same for all systems ($ SHO RMS output) L wild guess 3: are the ..., nah, SYSUAF parameters are not likely to do this.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:46:03 +0000 (UTC)o+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) ; Subject: Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?v+ Message-ID: <amhm5r$2ie$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>c  W In article <3D8BF576.A5AD111F@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes:r >David Webb wrote: >>   >.../..gN >> As to the security hole. I wouldn't worry too much. Until a fix is producedN >> just be aware it's possible and don't encrypt a reply to a nonsense message >> you receive.t >/( >Where can we read more on this subject? >r >Tx. >D.i  & You can see the register article at :-  7 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/26643.html     . which references the research team's paper at   * http://www.counterpane.com/pgp-attack.html    N I haven't actually read the paper yet but from reading the Register article itK appears (despite the Register having titled the article "PGP,GPG defeated")2I that even if you did encrypt your reply to the nonsense message you wouldp? probably still be saved by GnuPGP's default use of compression.RG Hence although things need tightening up it appears this attack is morei theoretical than practical.>  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2002 12:56:59 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>; Subject: Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA? 6 Message-ID: <20020921125659.20523.qmail@nym.alias.net>  9 On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:n   <snip>  L >One of the biggest potential benefits from having a command-line version ofL >PGP available on VMS will be to open VMS up as a viable platform for FIX, a> >financial industry standard for order routing and management.  H Since the only version of PGP I could get going on VMS was stuck at 1024G bit keys, I persuaded Disastry (see: http://disastry.dhs.org) to have ao= look at putting his version of PGP (based on 2.6.3ia) on VMS.l  9 This includes larger key support, and additional ciphers.o  ; Well, he did. The results are at http://vmsbox.cjb.net/pgp/e  J It gives *lots* of compiler warnings, but the resulting executable appearsH able to correctly generate and decrypt files. It does have some problemsJ with signatures on public keys. Anyone who wants to take a copy to work on? can. Please just keep me informed of any improvements you make.n     Doc. -- a6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.neto   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:04:47 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e; Subject: Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?hG Message-ID: <jU%i9.10742$q41.2910@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>s  A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in messagee0 news:20020921125659.20523.qmail@nym.alias.net...; > On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:o >" > <snip> >pK > >One of the biggest potential benefits from having a command-line versions ofL > >PGP available on VMS will be to open VMS up as a viable platform for FIX, a @ > >financial industry standard for order routing and management. > J > Since the only version of PGP I could get going on VMS was stuck at 1024I > bit keys, I persuaded Disastry (see: http://disastry.dhs.org) to have a0? > look at putting his version of PGP (based on 2.6.3ia) on VMS.k >r; > This includes larger key support, and additional ciphers.d >c= > Well, he did. The results are at http://vmsbox.cjb.net/pgp/  >tL > It gives *lots* of compiler warnings, but the resulting executable appearsJ > able to correctly generate and decrypt files. It does have some problemsL > with signatures on public keys. Anyone who wants to take a copy to work onA > can. Please just keep me informed of any improvements you make.     K What's needed is a VMS version of PGP Business Server, or its equivalent ine open source.J Network Associates kept the rights to this product when they sold the restK of the commercial PGP product line to PGP inc. recently. NAI apparently has   no plans to offer a VMS version.  K Getting information and assistance from Network Associates is almost as bad. as having to deal with Compaq.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.522 ************************