1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 24 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 527       Contents:1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium  Re: CLD question Re: COPY/FTP passive mode * Re: delete/erase & init/erase w/dod_erapat Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: EDIT question.P Re: ETS is only a couple of weeks away - Leper colony - how many of you are atte Re: Generic Mail Response 2 Hardware flow control to terminal port using QIO's) Re: How to defrag a shadowed system disk?  Re: Marketing suggestion Re: Marketing suggestion MySQL for VMS? Re: MySQL for VMS?# Re: New www.openvms.compaq.com site G Proposal: Retirement of some Components of the Compaq C++ Class Library K Re: Proposal: Retirement of some Components of the Compaq C++ Class Library & Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backups& Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backupsO Re: Recommendations for Win2K Pro NFS client for use with TCPIP V5.1 NFS server ' Re: sys$Pipe and DCL$PATH documentation ' Re: sys$Pipe and DCL$PATH documentation 0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these) VMS system accounts description # Re: VMS system accounts description # RE: VMS system accounts description # RE: VMS system accounts description # Re: VMS system accounts description # Re: VMS system accounts description  Re: warning during copy ' Re: What is happening to the industry ? ' Re: What is happening to the industry ? ' Re: What is happening to the industry ? ' Re: What is happening to the industry ?  Re: Why is there SWAPFILE.SYS?( Re: www.openvms.compaq.com has been HPed( Re: www.openvms.compaq.com has been HPed Re: ZIP version 2.2 2 Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:46:32 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium* Message-ID: <amnnid$goq$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  L This is New Hampshire, if something is strapped to a car its probably a deer+ or a moose, now "singing the choir eternal"    sue   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D8D505C.CB2587E9@videotron.ca... > John Smith wrote: + > > > I drive a Z3.  So only one at a time.  > > K > > You could probably strap a couple more to the trunk-mounted ski rack. A  few 4 > > bungee cords or some duct tape as seat belts.... > H > I have a feeling that if I were the lucky one, they would conveniently forgetL > to unstrap me once they got to the restaurant/pub and leave me strapped to the  > ski rack... :-(    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:57:20 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium( Message-ID: <3D8FD490.1050508@rdrop.com>   Sue Skonetski wrote:?  > This is New Hampshire, if something is strapped to a car its >  > probably a deer or a moose, now "singing the choir eternal"  = He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! > 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't< strapped him to the roof of your auto 'e'd be pushing up the> daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the< meadow! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal8 coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir? invisibile!!He's f**kin' snuffed it!..... THIS IS AN EX-MOOSE!!    With apologies to John Cleese.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:00:11 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>  Subject: Re: CLD question $ Message-ID: <3d8f731c$1@news.si.com>   >DEFINE SYNTAX list_syn  >QUALIFIER LIST,default  >NOPARAMETER> >QUALIFIER OUTPUT, value (default="SYS$OUTPUT", type=$OUTFILE)  < Why not have /LIST take an optional value of an output file?   DEFINE SYNTAX list_synD QUALIFIER LIST, default, value( default="SYS$OUTPUT", type=$OUTFILE) NOPARAMETER   6 By the way, trying to use the original above produces:   $ set com chocolate ;        3  PARAMETER P1, required,prompt="Enter pastry name" G %CDU-E-INVITEM, Invalid item "REQUIRED" encountered.  Some text will be  skipped        10  NOPARAMETER J %CDU-E-INVITEM, Invalid item "NOPARAMETER" encountered.  Some text will be skipped  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Sep 2002 19:38:02 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: COPY/FTP passive mode* Message-ID: <amnqiq$esf$4@web1.cup.hp.com>  [ In article <3D8D08EC.13672.6BEBD78@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes: C :I have an application which uses COPY/FTP to send files to another - :system ... ...I must now use passive mode... G :Is it possible to force passive transfers on a user or system basis?     B   From a "Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 onA   a AlphaServer 8400 5/440 running OpenVMS V7.3-1" configuration:      COPY     /FTP       /PASSIVE             /PASSIVE=option   C        Controls whether the FTP client or server initiates the data E        connection. If you do not specify this qualifier, the Internet H        Protocol appropriate value is used. The values are: OFF for IPv4,        ON for IPv6.   :        The following table describes the /PASSIVE options:          Option      Description  @        OFF         The FTP server initiates the data connection.@        ON          The FTP client initiates the data connection.        (default)F                    This is often used where a firewall between the FTPG                    client and server prevents the server from making an '                    outbound connection.   >                    ON is the default value only if /PASSIVE is                    specified.   C        The underlying TCP/IP Networking product must recognize this ?        qualifier and must support FTP passive in order for this #        qualifier to have an effect.   E        Note that the /PASSIVE qualifier is equivalent to the FTP PASV         command.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Sep 2002 18:55:07 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: delete/erase & init/erase w/dod_erapat * Message-ID: <amno2b$esf$3@web1.cup.hp.com>  O In article <3D8C3D9B.81AAC3DA@cox.net>, Dec Vax Vms <decvaxvms@cox.net> writes:   C :    I am wanting to use a greater level of security when using the > :/erase qualifier.  There is an example in sys$examples calledF :dod_erapat.mar.  I have followed the information as documented.  DoesF :anyone know if when I use the delete/erase or initialize/erase if theC :eraparloa.exe ($erapat) is automatically called?  There is not any = :indication or response message that the function was called.      OpenVMS VAX, apparently.       OpenVMS version?       Type(s) of disk(s) involved?  B   Once loaded (per the documentation), the specified erase pattern+   mechanism is used for all erase requests.   F   You will want to elaborate on the specifics of your requirements forG   a "greater level" of security and on the perceived value of the data, J   as there are numerous subtleties to system security and as the incorrectD   applications of various security measures can reduce the aggregateC   security.  Further, defenses against issues of data remanence and D   unintended data declassification depend highly on the value of theA   (exposure of the) data to the attacker(s) as compared with (for E   instance) the cost of simply "slagging" the disk spindles involved.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:36:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters , Message-ID: <3D8F5F40.72A0F921@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote: I > I was assuming that anyone who could afford two buildings with a lot of H > hardware in each could also afford a third with just one small machine
 > in it.  :-|   K But if you're a small department running VMS in an otherwise IBM shop, just K getting access to the fibre between 2 buildings may be a large enough feat. W And now you want fibre INSTALLED to building 1<->3 and 3<->2 ???? You gotta be kidding.   K What is technically possible isn't always politically possible. And in some L cities, laying your own fibre under the street requires special permit$ thatM may include both payments to the city and some "gift$" to the civil servants.   L When I did the disaster recovery for a SWIFT system at a bank, I was allowedM to use 2 of the 24 fibres that the bank had been able to lay between its main H and development data centres. Why ? Because they realised that 24 fibresH wouldn't be enough to connect all their IBM disk drives so losing a pairM wasn't a big deal. (they were a test site). But there was no way I could even K get a low speed ethernet bridge between the data centre and the head office N tower where the users were. To the bank, 19.2kbpos is all that was ever neededJ for users (think 3270 terminals) and "ethernet" was totally foreign to theP bank at that time which knew only synchronous data links at 9600 and X.25 lines.  M If I had asked for fibre links to be added between the 2 data centres and the N office tower, my project would have been rejected from the get go. Not so much* because of money, but because of politics.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2002 16:07:41 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) ' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters 3 Message-ID: <kFNwoQOQ3QjN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <amfsjm$5jpde$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:. > In article <3D8B6385.582BC33F@videotron.ca>,2 > 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >> Phillip Helbig wrote:K >>> No, A in building 1, B in building 2 AND C (QUORUM MACHINE) IN BUILDING  >>> 3!!! >>  G >> The problem with this is that many companies may not have building 3 O >> available. Yes, if you're talking about the remaining VMS customer base made L >> up of large corporations with sopare wildfire equipment, the 3rd building >> isn't a problem.  >>  P >> But if VMS is ever to return to the bigger markets of mid and small business,Y >> then perhaps a solution not requiring the 3rd building might make VMS very attractive.  > F > Why couldn't "building 3" be the basement of the IT Managers house??C > Wasn't it stated that this 3rd machine needed for Quorum could be ? > small and wouldn't actually do any of the work??  An XP1000??  >   < I used to use AlphaStation 200 4/233 as quorum machines or a@ couple of my clusters.  Cheap, reliable, easy to move about, and@ enough slots that you could upgrade the networking speed without too much hassle.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2002 16:21:43 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0209231521.38caa560@posting.google.com>   [ Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> wrote in message news:<amk2iv$o6q$1@news1.xs4all.nl>...  > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Paul Sture wrote:  > > O > >>About 5 years ago, CSC told me a humble VAX 2000 would be enough to provide J > >>quorum for a couple of then big Alphas, which were about a mile apart. > >  > > K > > Considering that HP/Compaq have said absolutely nothing about continued R > > support of VMS on VAX since Sept 7 2001, I would never recommend to someone toQ > > use a VAX in a mission critical environment without the important caveat that M > > it should be seen as a short term solution since compatibility with newer Y > > version of VMS on alpha or that IA64 if it ever gets commercialised is not garanteed.  > H > True. But a company that has the budget to set up a disaster tolerant I > cluster can afford an extra DS10L with minimal memory and a small disk.  >  > Bart Zorn   B only $950 at island computers ... I think most corps can pull that out of petty cash ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:09:01 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: EDIT question. 5 Message-ID: <wwKj9.13152$H67.62453@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   D > In order for the trick of using EDIT% to work, there must not be aH > symbol called EDIT%. The better way to do this is to explicitly define > 4 > $ EDIT = "EDIT"  ! (some people use "$ EDIT :=  ") > E > at the top of your procedure or make use of the SET SYMBOL command.  >   ! Beware! Not always a good thing!:    $ edit*or:=edit/tpu  $ edit:=editE %DCL-W-ABSYMD, abbreviated symbol definition conflict - rename symbol  $      --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) 8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  K "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> a crit dans le message de news: 2 b096a4ee.0209201117.6dd74597@posting.google.com...: > Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote in message# news:<3D8B19C7.9095684F@Free.fr>... H > > Any character in the 5th position of a DCL verb will prevent the DCL interpreter = > > to try to translate the verb as a local or global symbol.  > E > Not if you type a 5-character symbol! Or greater than 5 characters,  > also.  > ; > > It is an undocumented feature, for a long time already.  >  > User's Manual (v6.2):  > % > Section 3.5.5 Abbreviating Commands  > F > You can abbreviate a command as long as the abbreviated name remainsF > unique among the defined commands on a system. DCL looks only at the' > first four characters for uniqueness.  > D > For greater clarity and to ensure that your command procedures areH > upwardly compatible, do not abbreviate commands in command procedures. >  > [...]  > D > In order for the trick of using EDIT% to work, there must not be aH > symbol called EDIT%. The better way to do this is to explicitly define > 4 > $ EDIT = "EDIT"  ! (some people use "$ EDIT :=  ") > E > at the top of your procedure or make use of the SET SYMBOL command.  >  >  > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2002 17:24:39 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) Y Subject: Re: ETS is only a couple of weeks away - Leper colony - how many of you are atte 3 Message-ID: <MzFBjCLUF7oL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <00A144CE.ADCF76F9@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:s > In article <857e9e41.0209201238.4ae640de@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes: - >>For the non leper's here is an explanation.  >>= >>At DECUS there are a few of us that get together for liquid H >>refreshment.  We called ourselves the Leper colony because some of theG >>folks smoke and they have to sit outside (at least in LA)and the rest E >>of them would join them.  Mainly because they are great company and 
 >>VMS bigots.  >  > Hey, I resemble that remark. >   @ I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.; (bottle in front, flanked by VMS bigots, doubly so!  :^p  )   H >>Send me mail and we can arrange a time.  If I remember correctly there$ >>are several brew pubs in St Louis. >>/ >>This is going to be great week, see you soon.  >> >>Sue  > G > I'm sharing a room with one of the lepers!  He'll have to perform his F > leprous habits on the balcony.  Here's to hoping that our room has a
 > balcony. > > > Mr. James O. Hibbits (da leper) and myself will be availble. >     @ I'll be self-lepering this trip, as my loverly wife decided that@ St. Louis wasn't the type of travel location she wanted to waste2 days off on.  Count me in on the leper-schlepings!    West Coast Purple Shirted Leper, Marty    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:12:40 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> " Subject: Re: Generic Mail Response$ Message-ID: <3d8f7609$1@news.si.com>  I >How does one edit the generic "undeliverable" mail response when Mail is I >disabled using the /DISMAIL flag?  We would like to add some text to the  >generic response.  % On a VAX, I imagine PATCH would work.  --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:32:09 -0500 + From: Don Rogstad <Don.Rogstad@dalsemi.com> ; Subject: Hardware flow control to terminal port using QIO's H Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF2194C96F60@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C26361.D11CFA70  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"   D Does anyone have examples of implementing hardware flow control on a# terminal port for use with QIO(W)s?   K I have AlphaServer 1000A 5/400 Hobbyist machine running OpenVMS V7.2-1 with K Compaq C V6.4-008.   I have an external device (specialized hardware, not a C modem) connected to the TTA0: port which communicates at 9600 Baud, H eightbit, no parity and hardware flow control.   When the port is set toJ NOMODEM, I do not get any response from the device.   When the port is setI to MODEM, I lose the first character of the response (and usually get the J "%LOGIN-F-NOTMODEM, OpenVMS host system modem not wired correctly; contact9 system manager" OPCOM message).  But I do get a response.   L    It looks like if the port is set to NOMODEM, I have to handle raising andJ lowering DTR, DSR, CTS, etc. signals.  I have never programmed using QIO'sJ so this is a first for me and do not know how to control the flow control.G Do I have to track DTR, DSR, etc. signalling inside the program?   Will 5 OpenVMS turn off CTS if the buffers get full or do I?   F    Also, if I read the manuals correctly, then to send a break, I have perform:6 	1) Send QIO with IO$_SENSEMODE to get characteristicsC 	2) Send QIO with IO$_SETMODE with TT$M_BREAK or'ed with the parity 
 receive above  	3) wait a period of time = 	4) Send QIO with IO$_SETMODE with TT$M_BREAK bit turned off. 8 Question: How long is the period of time supposed to be?  I I have looked at the programs in Sys$Examples, and freeware, but have not 6 found any the handle breaks and hardware flow control.   Thanks,  Don Rogstad  Dallas Semiconductor (972) 371-4570  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C26361.D11CFA70  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12"> A <TITLE>Hardware flow control to terminal port using QIO's</TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Does anyone have examples of implementing hardware =< flow control on a terminal port for use with QIO(W)s?</FONT> </P>  C <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have AlphaServer 1000A 5/400 Hobbyist machine = F running OpenVMS V7.2-1 with Compaq C V6.4-008.&nbsp;&nbsp; I have an =F external device (specialized hardware, not a modem) connected to the =E TTA0: port which communicates at 9600 Baud, eightbit, no parity and = G hardware flow control.&nbsp;&nbsp; When the port is set to NOMODEM, I = G do not get any response from the device.&nbsp;&nbsp; When the port is = G set to MODEM, I lose the first character of the response (and usually = F get the &quot;%LOGIN-F-NOTMODEM, OpenVMS host system modem not wired =H correctly; contact system manager&quot; OPCOM message).&nbsp; But I do = get a response.</FONT></P>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; It looks like if the port is set to =D NOMODEM, I have to handle raising and lowering DTR, DSR, CTS, etc. =G signals.&nbsp; I have never programmed using QIO's so this is a first = I for me and do not know how to control the flow control.&nbsp; Do I have = I to track DTR, DSR, etc. signalling inside the program?&nbsp;&nbsp; Will = @ OpenVMS turn off CTS if the buffers get full or do I?</FONT></P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Also, if I read the manuals correctly, = , then to send a break, I have perform:</FONT>G <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>1) Send = 4 QIO with IO$_SENSEMODE to get characteristics</FONT>G <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>2) Send = D QIO with IO$_SETMODE with TT$M_BREAK or'ed with the parity receive = above</FONT>I <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>3) wait a =  period of time</FONT> G <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>4) Send = ; QIO with IO$_SETMODE with TT$M_BREAK bit turned off.</FONT> I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Question: How long is the period of time supposed to = 
 be?</FONT> </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have looked at the programs in Sys$Examples, and =F freeware, but have not found any the handle breaks and hardware flow = control.</FONT></P>     <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks,</FONT>% <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Don Rogstad</FONT> . <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>( <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(972) 371-4570</FONT> </P>   </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C26361.D11CFA70--    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:00:52 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>2 Subject: Re: How to defrag a shadowed system disk?5 Message-ID: <amnodi$7gmtd$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   6 "Steven Xie" <r33300@email.mot.com> schreef in bericht% news:amm0gr$a6f$1@newshost.mot.com...  > Hello all, > H > I have an alpha system (ES40, V7.2-1) with shadowed system disk. After using I > it for about three years we found that there are lot of fragment inside  the G > system disk. Normally we deal with this kind of case is we do a image  backupL > from this fragmented disk to tape and then copy it back. But we have neverK > done it on shadowed disk before, and we have never done it on system disk I > either. Do I need break the shadow set before I do the image backup, or K > mount/for good for shadow set? Does anybody has this experience can share 
 > with me?K There are several options, like the one offered by John Koska. What used to B work for us was this: members of a system disk shadowset are addedL automatically to the set at boot time if they were a member of that set when VMS was shut down.G Example: consider a two member shadowset, dka100 and dkb400. Dismount a F shadowset member, say dka100 and reboot. The result is a single member shadowset (with dkb400 only).   + $ backup/image/ver dka100 mka500:sysdsk.bck 
 $ dism dka100  $ mou/for dka100' $ backup/image mka500:sysdsk.bck dka100   L Shutdown the system and reboot from dka100. Add dkb400 to the shadowset. The* result is a shadowcopy of the entire disk.   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:22:53 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: Marketing suggestion . Message-ID: <3D8F5BFD.602B6A5F@mindspring.com>   Sue Skonetski wrote:  N > ok here is a nasty thought.  Person puts VMS cd in a PC crashes PC and comesI > up with a screen saver saying.  If this had been VMS you would still be 
 > running. > % > I know its not politically correct.   , Why not make the magazineware disk start one, of those wonderful VAX emulators and boot up	 some VMS?    Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:59:28 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: Marketing suggestion H Message-ID: <AoKj9.90538$8b1.58367@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:amn560$6qd$1@web1.cup.hp.com...H > ok here is a nasty thought.  Person puts VMS cd in a PC crashes PC and comes I > up with a screen saver saying.  If this had been VMS you would still be 
 > running. > % > I know its not politically correct.     . Has Catbert been visiting your cubicle lately?  
 I like it!   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2002 11:21:10 -0700, From: colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive) Subject: MySQL for VMS? = Message-ID: <b10654c6.0209231021.4322a945@posting.google.com>   C I'm a fairly frequent user of MySQL on *nix, and would like to have @ the same available in VMS.  I've wanted to port MySQL to VMS for9 years, but never have the time (and probably never will.)   A I noticed in 1999 here in comp.os.vms one Dan O'Reilly of Process C announced a MySQL client for Alpha VMS, but there was no mention of F how to get it, or anything beyond that.  Anyone have any details as toE whether this is available at all?  I wrote Dan privately, but thought # I would poke around here as well...   D A client would be a step forward as I have a MySQL server running atE work now, and I could connect to it from the VMS box if a client were 
 available.   Chris  -----  Chris Olive  colive(at)technologEase(dot)com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:19:02 +0200 B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> Subject: Re: MySQL for VMS? 7 Message-ID: <3D8F6926.3FB0@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>    Chris Olive wrote: > E > I'm a fairly frequent user of MySQL on *nix, and would like to have B > the same available in VMS.  I've wanted to port MySQL to VMS for; > years, but never have the time (and probably never will.)  > C > I noticed in 1999 here in comp.os.vms one Dan O'Reilly of Process E > announced a MySQL client for Alpha VMS, but there was no mention of H > how to get it, or anything beyond that.  Anyone have any details as toG > whether this is available at all?  I wrote Dan privately, but thought % > I would poke around here as well...   # It is avaliable at (URL may wrap) : K http://mysql.holywar.net/Downloads/MySQL-3.22/mysql-3.22.25-clients-vms.zip  See also the text at :  N http://mysql.holywar.net/Downloads/MySQL-3.22/mysql-3.22.25-clients-vms.readme  0 I also saw this posting a couple of weeks ago : G  http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&th=a76c5f6529524f3d    --   ME Posted by news://news.nb.nu    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:37:15 GMT , From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>, Subject: Re: New www.openvms.compaq.com site> Message-ID: <vbJj9.37840$jF4.2876930@twister.southeast.rr.com>   ----- Original Message -----0 From: "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ) Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:24 PM ( Subject: New www.openvms.compaq.com site    . > The site www.openvms.compaq.com is changing.- > Now it is looking like the HP site standard  > except some links.  May be in  > the future it will become  >  > www.openvms.hp.com >  > Dont make mistakes with  >  > www.openview.hp.com ! :-)) > " > But what about putting a link to >  > www.openvms.org there????     7 You want that payment in cash, check or money order? :)    -- Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:02:59 GMT , From: "Kenneth Block" <krblock@computer.org>P Subject: Proposal: Retirement of some Components of the Compaq C++ Class Library2 Message-ID: <ncMj9.42$9C2.938120@news.cpqcorp.net>  G Compaq is considering the retirement of a number of components from the E Compaq C++ Class Library. It is our belief that nobody is using these H non-standard components since there are standard compliant alternatives.  C 1. complex package's alternative is the complex template in the STL   5 2. generic package's alternative is ISO C++ templates   / 3. mutex package's alternative is Posix Threads   . 4. task package's alternative is Posix Threads  A 5. vector package's alternative is the vector template in the STL         A Other packages that could be dropped if nobody is using them are:      1. objection package   2. stopwatch package   3. messages package       F The following components are not being considered for retirement, evenF thought they have standard compliant alternatives, since they are used extensively:  H 1. iostreams package's alternative is the iostreams templates in the STL  B 2. string package's alternative is the string templates in the STL        K If you are using a component that is being considered for retirement, could G you please send an email to compaq_cxx@compaq.com and let us know which L component you are using, your OS and compiler versions,  and if you would be9 willing to migrate to the standard compliant alternative.    Compaq C++ Team    Compaq_cxx@compaq.com    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2002 17:57:47 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) T Subject: Re: Proposal: Retirement of some Components of the Compaq C++ Class Library3 Message-ID: <KmunW1J9uN4h@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <ncMj9.42$9C2.938120@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Kenneth Block" <krblock@computer.org> writes: I > Compaq is considering the retirement of a number of components from the G > Compaq C++ Class Library. It is our belief that nobody is using these J > non-standard components since there are standard compliant alternatives.  C Have you considered the effect of this on portability promises made B by VMS marketing.  The word for Itanium is that one should just be5 able to recompile, relink and run for user mode code.   C Some customer company would not be pleased if they bought into this D and discovered that they had to hire a programmer who knows C++ just- because someone "wanted to retire" something.   B Nobody expect enhancements in deprecated features, but I think theA languages should take a lesson from VMS itself, where V1 programs  will still run (on VAX).   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Sep 2002 17:58:16 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backups * Message-ID: <amnkno$esf$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  F   The interlocks that are ignored by BACKUP /IGNORE=INTERLOCK were notF   created to cause folks to need to use that qualifier, the interlocksG   are those that enforce access conflict notifications and particularly G   data consistency.  Use of /IGNORE=INTERLOCK means that specific files K   can (silently!) have contents that are inconsistent, corrupt, incomplete, J   and/or unusable during any data restoration.  Only use /IGNORE=INTERLOCKI   on those files and those disks you don't expect to restore, or that you K   expect to have to manually clean up latent problems within specific files I   on any eventual volume restoration.  Please do not assume that you will I   be notified of potential corruptions -- the BACKUP file access conflict K   messages that are seen can lead to an assumption that all file collisions ,   will be flagged, and that is not the case.     :From our backup command file: :$       BACKUP  /IMAGE -  :                /RECORD - :                /NOALIAS - + :                /IGNORE=LABEL_PROCESSING -  :                'disk': -( :                tape_device:'saveset' -" :                'backup_rewind' -N :                /tape_expiration="''f$cvtime("today+14-","absolute","date")'" : F :We've been doing backups the same way for years. Never a hiccup untilE :this started happening about a month ago, and I know of nothing that  :has been changed...  I   This could result from timing conflicts, possibly caused by increasing FK   levels of activity or increasing disk fragmentation or such.  The triggerlM   for this sort of behaviour can potentially be quite subtle, in other words.   K   Please apply the mandatory ECOs for OpenVMS, and ECOs for BACKUP and for  H   the queue manager, as a start.  I know that there are ECOs for OpenVMSH   Alpha V6.2 for these areas, as well as mandatory ECOs for the release.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:05:52 -0500e6 From: Glen Mark martin <glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>/ Subject: Re: QUEUE MANAGER dying during backupsT3 Message-ID: <3D8F7420.2040108@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>o   Hoff Hoffman wrote:u  H >   The interlocks that are ignored by BACKUP /IGNORE=INTERLOCK were notH >   created to cause folks to need to use that qualifier, the interlocksI >   are those that enforce access conflict notifications and particularlyoI >   data consistency.  Use of /IGNORE=INTERLOCK means that specific filesaM >   can (silently!) have contents that are inconsistent, corrupt, incomplete,uL >   and/or unusable during any data restoration.  Only use /IGNORE=INTERLOCKK >   on those files and those disks you don't expect to restore, or that you M >   expect to have to manually clean up latent problems within specific filesrK >   on any eventual volume restoration.  Please do not assume that you williK >   be notified of potential corruptions -- the BACKUP file access conflicteM >   messages that are seen can lead to an assumption that all file collisions]. >   will be flagged, and that is not the case.    G Thanks for the clarification. Didn't think it would be wise to go that   route.     > K >   This could result from timing conflicts, possibly caused by increasing jM >   levels of activity or increasing disk fragmentation or such.  The trigger$O >   for this sort of behaviour can potentially be quite subtle, in other words.s > M >   Please apply the mandatory ECOs for OpenVMS, and ECOs for BACKUP and for "J >   the queue manager, as a start.  I know that there are ECOs for OpenVMSJ >   Alpha V6.2 for these areas, as well as mandatory ECOs for the release.  I Already in the cards. I was just wondering if I was dealing with a known kC issue or if anyone had a clue as to what might have triggered this . puzzling behavior...   Glen   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:50:09 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>X Subject: Re: Recommendations for Win2K Pro NFS client for use with TCPIP V5.1 NFS server3 Message-ID: <l0Mj9.38$YF2.1020976@news.cpqcorp.net>r   >Either I'm missingAE > something on setting up the proxies or PCNFS (running ont he Alpha)0G > isn't doing what its supposed to do.  The PCNFS logfile keeps showingtG > 'no such user' messages even when we do in fact have a proxy in placen? > for that username (and even created a VMS account to match ineA > testing); the info in the TCPIP docs on PCNFS is pretty skimpy.c  L Your config looks good.  I would also like to see the output from TCPIP SHOW SERVICE.  E Also, turn on REPLY/ENABLE to capture any events that may be helpful.   @ After enabling NFS and PCNFS via TCPIP$CONFIG, I follow 3 steps:  +     1) Map the VMS disk to a UNIX-like names'             $ tcpip map "/data" DKB100:O     2) Add export filestE             $ tcpip add export "/data/common" /host=* /options=(....)0     3) Add proxy entries<             $ tcpip add proxy MEONVMS /uid=123/gid=10/host=*  % Your output shows you have done this.1  E Now from your PC running Hummingbird you must supply the username andNK password for the account MEONVMS.  PCNFS gets involved and performs a proxy J lookup, mapping your validated account to UID=123/GID=10.  The NFS MaestroJ client will now communicate with the NFS Server using UID=123/GID=10.  The9 NFS server maps this UID/GID pair to the account MEONVMS.l  9 > rpc.pcnfsd: proxy database error 229c on VMS user track  > / > rpc.pcnfsd: no such VMS user as AdministratorT  
 $ exit %x229C"7 %SYSTEM-F-WRONGNAME, local node name must match SCSNODE     J I'm not sure under what circumstances this error occurs.  Does it give you
 any hints?  I If you haven't already tried restarting TCP/IP on VMS, then that might bes	 worth it.t  K Also, thanks for the info on MS SFU.  One day I will try XP PRO to see if IA can get it working.s   Matt.i   --= -------------------------------------------------------------i OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company- Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAe= -------------------------------------------------------------     3 "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in messageg7 news:cc5619f2.0209190951.6fe337dd@posting.google.com...8= > "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in messagem. news:<TP7i9.49$9m5.934982@news.cpqcorp.net>...A > > Two that I am familiar with are NFS Maestro from Hummingbird,s > >o> > >      http://www.hummingbird.com/products/nc/nfs/index.html > >m" > > and another is WRQ Reflections > >v= > >      http://www.wrq.com/products/reflection/pc_unix/rnfs/4 > >nK > > I am curious what sort of snags you ran into with MS Services for UNIX.  I ( > > had planned to one day give it a go. > > 	 > > Matt.e > >  > > --A > > -------------------------------------------------------------u > > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > > Enterprise Computing Group > > Hewlett-Packard Companyv > > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA A > > -------------------------------------------------------------  > >o >  > Matt,p@ >      we downloaded Hummingbird maestro Solo eval and NetmanageE > Interdrive to try.  Hummingbird was immediately able to see the NFS.F > service being offered (which is farther than the MS product got) butA > we're still having authentication problems.  Either I'm missinghE > something on setting up the proxies or PCNFS (running ont he Alpha) G > isn't doing what its supposed to do.  The PCNFS logfile keeps showing G > 'no such user' messages even when we do in fact have a proxy in placet? > for that username (and even created a VMS account to match innA > testing); the info in the TCPIP docs on PCNFS is pretty skimpy.t >h= >      MS SFU 3.0 has lead to a need to rebuild the two NT4.0 H > workstations after its removal.  It wanted SP6a (fine), then it wantedD > the 'active directory client' (we are not running active directoryH > here, but fine...), then it wanted an additional patch (loaded), afterC > which the NFS server on the Alpha never saw it again.  We went bynA > provided examples to configure the user mapping, PCNFS, and NFS-G > client.  The PC recognized our Alpha as an NFS server but could nevercF > see a service being offered (which our VAX running TCPware connectedD > to perfectly).  Any attempt to open or connect or map or mount theH > service on the alpha got a 'network name not found' error.  Gave up on= > the NT systems, deinstalled SFU, and now both are wonky and/# > unreliable, so need to be redone.  >s@ > We then moved to a W2K Pro system.  There the install was muchH > cleaner, and the configuration seemed to work properly, but we had theF > same problem; the Alpha couldn't see that PC even trying to connect,A > and the PC kept saying 'network name not found' on any attempt.t > G > We verified the host file on the PCs (there is no internal DNS/NIS on H > our NAT'ted network), triple checked the net; normal (Telnet/Ping/FTP)F > communications worked to the Alpha), tried the PC both in and out ofG > the NT domain, tried it with multiple usernames, including creating a C > simple mapping (NT username = VMS username), all with no results.aH > There was nothing on the MS support sites that matched the problems we > were seeing. >sG > I hope you don't mind if I ask a config question.... or maybe someoneh3 > else has gotten a PC working in this environment:  >nH > Using the hummingbird client and TCPIP V5.1eco4 NFS and PCNFS servers, > we have the following: >r > VMS: >a > TCPIP> show export3 > File System                             Host name  >o+ > /vfs/track                              *c >e >t; > TCPIP> show map     ! (This is also set in configuration)l$ >             Dynamic Filesystem Map= > Pathname                                Logical File Systemi >n8 > /vfs                                    FALCON$DKA200: >n >  > TCPIP> show proxy# >l= > VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name2 >e5 > TRACK             OND             1         333   *@ >e >o6 > The VMS account TRACK is UIC [333,1], home directoryB > FALCON$DKA200:[TRACK] owned by [333,1], with full access to thatG > directory and test files created in it.  We can't add "Administrator" F > to the proxy database due to its length.  No 'default' access is set > up.i > ; > The PC has been tested with both a TRACK username and theh? > ADMINISTRATOR username, both fail with the following messagesl > (respectively):e >o9 > rpc.pcnfsd: proxy database error 229c on VMS user track- >a/ > rpc.pcnfsd: no such VMS user as Administratore >i= > Thanks for any assistance.  I'll keep pounding the manuals.  >i
 > Rich Jordan    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Sep 2002 18:25:14 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: sys$Pipe and DCL$PATH documentation* Message-ID: <amnmaa$esf$2@web1.cup.hp.com>  \ In article <3D8B6387.20800@oracle.com>, norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> writes:C :try using www.google.com and search for DCL$PATH and then SYS$PIPEt :  :Paul Repacholi wrote:5 :> WHere? I have searched the CDs, but found nothing..     Re: DCL$PATH  C   "Automatic Foreign Command" is the magic incantation to look for iA   in the OpenVMS Master Index manual.  (This particular Automatics?   Foreign Command mechanism is documented in the User's Guide.)   @   I've previously submitted a problem report against the OpenVMSA   documentation, requesting that this stuff be made rather easier0;   to find, and that cross-references for DCL$PATH be added.d     re: SYS$PIPE  D   See the PIPE verb and related documentation in the DCL dictionary.@   The on-line HELP for the PIPE command is also quite expansive.A   (More recent versions make it easier to find TEE.COM and such.)1    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:02:43 +0200 ) From: labadie <labadie.gerard@wanadoo.fr>N0 Subject: Re: sys$Pipe and DCL$PATH documentation* Message-ID: <3D8F7363.7DEF8281@wanadoo.fr>   Paul Repacholi wrote:,  4 > WHere? I have searched the CDs, but found nothing.    Hello usingl( http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/search.html7 where the Vms 7.3-1 doc is indexed, I find for sys$pipeBL http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/docs/openvms0731/731final/6489/6489pro_042.html   and L http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/docs/openvms0731/731final/9996/9996pro_043.html   and 10 hits for dcl$path   Regardse   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:19:52 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these) , Message-ID: <3D8F5B46.4E9D43F9@videotron.ca>   "John N." wrote:K > To answer your question, I see VMS as constantly improving, and I see thelJ > release of VMS that will be running on the Itanium processor as being "2J > years ahead" of where VMS is today.  My only question is whether ItaniumN > itself will be two years ahead of where Alpha is today.  Or even if Itanium,; > in two years from now, will even be where Alpha is today.r  G Sun was able to rule the Unix world with a chip that wasn't the world's M fastest.  And the wintel world was able to make huge gains and get a footholdt: in the enterprise computing with the 8086 game controller.  N So theoretically, VMS should be able to be succesful *despite* being on IA64.    I see two major problems:q  K In the short term, the efforts made to port it to the unwanted architecture E are efforts that could have been put towards moving VMS forwards withmA more/better utilities and helping ISVs port more software to VMS.   M The TCPIP stack may have improved significantly in recent years, but it stilleF has some ways to go before being a "really good" product. MAIL is in aI desperate need of revamping, and the sooner that Unix compatibility thinga arrives, the better.  N Before the Alpha murder, VMS was already behind Unix for many aspects. EffortsN should have been made to speed the progress up so that VMS could not only keepD up with advances but also close the gap.  But I am *afraid* that theM distration of that unwanted IA64 port will instead widen the gap in the casesRV where VMS was behind, and allow UNIX to narrow the gap in cases where Unix was behind.    @ While Carly and Curly may have stated that they want to simplifyK architectures, their dog and poney show will complicate them. What if there=J remains more VAX customers on support contracts than IA64 customers ? ThatK would mean that HP would have to continue to support and improve VAX, AlphahN and that IA64 thing.  That means that a greater percentage of manpower will beL going towards maintaining those different architecttures instead of focusing on one and moving fast.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:45:42 -0400f- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>09 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0, Message-ID: <3D8F6153.B4505D8E@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:L > Our primary purpose is to sell HP hardware, software and services.  So youF > can bet that we will make sure that VMS is targeted at HP hardware.   L "targetted at HP hardware" is one thing. "Marketed to customers" is another.  J Just because it runs on a wide range of hardware doesn't mean that HP will. choose to market VMS in those market segments.  K Consider the Multia debacle where the Multia was prevented from running VMSmI for fear that it would cannabalise sales of more expensive hardware. BackrI then, they used technical ways to prevent VMS from booting on the low endt? machines. HP may choose other methods (marketing, pricing etc).l  N That IA64 thing is so far into the future (from customer's point of view) thatI it is pointless to believe any commitments.  Right now, VMS is running onf( vapours emanating from the Alpha corpse.  I I know that for you, IA64 is a bigger reality because you may have such aiJ beast roaming in your native habitat. But to customers, it is still just aM target for a port with no commitment nor information about what HP will do to  market VMS.M   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:51:42 -04000- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)a, Message-ID: <3D8F62BB.1BA9B212@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > G > I think HP has an interest in seeing IPF succeed, and in HP providingG > leading IPF solutions.  J True. But HP also has an interest in maximising shareholder value and whenF Carly needs to streamline the company and cut costs, which OS will get priority to stay alive ?	 	-HP-UX ?C 	-Tandem NSK ? 	-VMS ?t  I Considering that much of the functionlality of VMS is available in eitheroJ HP-UX and/or Tandem, and cosndiering that HP (corporate) has taken so manyM active steps to avoid mentioning VMS in its press releases and speeches, I doa not think that VMS is so safe.  L Yes, HP will complete the Intel funded port of VMS to IA64. But that doesn'tK necessarily mean it will market it or even commercialise it. Remember ScottoN Stallard expects all VMS customers to migrate to HP-UX over time. The text mayI have changed, but what was first written probably best reflects HP's truea$ intentions (until proven otherwise).  J Again, I make a distinction between HP corporate and the grunts at the VMSH group who are doing their darndest to make VMS as succesful as possible.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:49:18 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)t5 Message-ID: <amnr8f$7fs6v$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>.  B "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> schreef in bericht, news:WJGj9.15$Ln2.511079@news.cpqcorp.net... > C > David J. Dachtera wrote in message <3D8CCF18.5B49FCA2@fsi.net>...n > >Hans Vlems wrote: >cI > >...but I already get enough heat from the OVMS Engineers and the LarryoA > >Kilgallen types, and almost everyone who is anyone has alreadywF > >blacklisted and/or killfiled me since my reply-to address is highly2 > >predictable (djesys.nospam@any-domain.any-tld). >g > I haven't killfiled you.  H I do wish you'd be a bit more careful when you remove parts of a messageK stream. The text above suggests that I wrote the rest of the message. WhichA
 I did not.   HV   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2002 14:55:06 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)'9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)-3 Message-ID: <6r+WbpSuE95i@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <WJGj9.15$Ln2.511079@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: > C > David J. Dachtera wrote in message <3D8CCF18.5B49FCA2@fsi.net>...m >>Hans Vlems wrote:m > H >>...but I already get enough heat from the OVMS Engineers and the Larry@ >>Kilgallen types, and almost everyone who is anyone has alreadyE >>blacklisted and/or killfiled me since my reply-to address is highlyy1 >>predictable (djesys.nospam@any-domain.any-tld).t >  > I haven't killfiled you.   Nor have I.   > For one thing, you know how to capitalize and use punctuation.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:36:59 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)n, Message-ID: <3D8F9789.F5E35052@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:C > I have no reson to believe that any of these three are being cut.o  M At the moment, you are probably right. But when push comes to shove, and HP's M stock is battered with calls for Carly to resign, she will be forced to starteL cutting left and right , play musical chairs with senior VPs, reorganise etcK etc (aks: Bobby GP Palmer, the female version). That is what I worry about.I  G Once the honeymoon with Curly is over, the media and wall street casinooL analysts won't be so kind to Carly.  Already, some analysts today sent out aN press release which annouced that they had changed HP to "underperform" (along with about 5 other stocks).t   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:28:28 GMTO5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>O9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)e2 Message-ID: <0ILj9.36$mj2.400551@news.cpqcorp.net>  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3D8F62BB.1BA9B212@videotron.ca>...o >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:i >>H >> I think HP has an interest in seeing IPF succeed, and in HP providing >> leading IPF solutions.n >hK >True. But HP also has an interest in maximising shareholder value and whenSG >Carly needs to streamline the company and cut costs, which OS will get  >priority to stay alive ?c
 > -HP-UX ? > -Tandem NSK ?- > -VMS ? >d  A I have no reson to believe that any of these three are being cut./  J >Considering that much of the functionlality of VMS is available in eitherK >HP-UX and/or Tandem, and cosndiering that HP (corporate) has taken so many K >active steps to avoid mentioning VMS in its press releases and speeches, Ir do >not think that VMS is so safe.D >   L This is pure FUD.  VMS has a customer base that is by-and-large not going toK move to HP-UX or NSK.  It will increase the overall IPF base.  It continues=J to generate a high services revenue.  HP is taking no steps that I know ofD to avoid VMS.  These are the same-old complaints of everyone wanting  everything mentioned everywhere.  E >Yes, HP will complete the Intel funded port of VMS to IA64. But that  doesn't L >necessarily mean it will market it or even commercialise it. Remember ScottK >Stallard expects all VMS customers to migrate to HP-UX over time. The text  mayoJ >have changed, but what was first written probably best reflects HP's true% >intentions (until proven otherwise).y >m  - Again *pure* *unadulterated* *unfounded* FUD.a  K >Again, I make a distinction between HP corporate and the grunts at the VMSOI >group who are doing their darndest to make VMS as succesful as possible.h  K Again, you are sitting alone in your room dreaming up fantasy.  There is NO I reason to believe any of the FUD above is true, or even has a shadow of ah chance of comming to pass.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2002 11:13:50 -0700. From: hecvillaf@yahoo.com (Hector Villafuerte)( Subject: VMS system accounts description< Message-ID: <b23aa71.0209231013.2ed6038c@posting.google.com>   Hi!r  . I need to find information about some accounts- in an OpenVMS, Alpha OS, v7.1. I think all of;/ these are system accounts. A brief description,N, focusing on security issues, would be great!0 Any reference to information would be great too. Thanks in advance, Hector  ( Here are the accounts I'm talking about: ADMIMQ DECNET
 FAL$SERVER FIELDs MAIL$SERVER; MIRRO$SERVER
 NML$SERVER PHONE$SERVER PWRK$DEFAULT
 PWRK$GUEST
 RDB$REMOTE RSM$MANAGERs SYSTEM SYSTESTs SYSTEST_CLIG	 TCPIP$FTP=	 TCPIP$LPD  TCPIP$NOBODY TCPIP$REXECt	 TCPIP$RSHK
 TCPIP$SNMP UCX$FTPT	 UCX$REXECN UCX$RSH2 UCX$SNMP UCX_LPD 
 VPM$SERVER/ ---------------------- * ----------------------<   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:35:13 +0200e" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>, Subject: Re: VMS system accounts description5 Message-ID: <amnmt4$7f8ip$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>3  , You didn't expect to get an answer, did you?  = "Hector Villafuerte" <hecvillaf@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht 6 news:b23aa71.0209231013.2ed6038c@posting.google.com... > Hi!F >-0 > I need to find information about some accounts/ > in an OpenVMS, Alpha OS, v7.1. I think all of<1 > these are system accounts. A brief description,e. > focusing on security issues, would be great!2 > Any reference to information would be great too. > Thanks in advance, > Hector >a* > Here are the accounts I'm talking about: > ADMIMQ > DECNET > FAL$SERVER > FIELD2
 > MAIL$SERVERe > MIRRO$SERVER > NML$SERVER > PHONE$SERVER > PWRK$DEFAULT > PWRK$GUEST > RDB$REMOTE
 > RSM$MANAGER  > SYSTEM	 > SYSTESTN > SYSTEST_CLIG > TCPIP$FTPd > TCPIP$LPDe > TCPIP$NOBODY
 > TCPIP$REXECi > TCPIP$RSHd > TCPIP$SNMP	 > UCX$FTP  > UCX$REXECw	 > UCX$RSHr
 > UCX$SNMP	 > UCX_LPD  > VPM$SERVER1 > ---------------------- * ----------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:58:59 -0400o; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>h, Subject: RE: VMS system accounts descriptionK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEAF4@rlghncst964.usps.gov>r  2 Can't tell whether you've been given an assignment. for an information systems class or if you're  an aspiring haxx0r d00d.  3 I'll assume the first, although the way you phrased17 your questions and your email address suggest that the a/ latter is also within the realm of possibility.e  7 We don't do homework for people unless they answer the s9 questions three, bring us a shrubbery and leave unmarked e6 bills underneath the leftmost garden gnome (as viewed 0 with your back to the street, facing the house.)   The OpenVMS docset's online; n/ You shouldn't have too much trouble finding it.-   So is the FAQ.  9 And if you're writing a paper, don't rely on the hacking m: guides that are online; not only are most of them way out 2 of date, they're also frequently just plain wrong.   I *will* give you one link:n  ; Here's a whitepaper on how VMS fared at the DEFCON hackers'  convention:c  * http://www.pointsecure.com/Defconwhite.pdf   You'll enjoy it.   Regards,   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----7 From: "Hector Villafuerte" [mailto:hecvillaf@yahoo.com]w( Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:13 PM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" ( Subject: VMS system accounts description     Hi!2  . I need to find information about some accounts- in an OpenVMS, Alpha OS, v7.1. I think all ofK/ these are system accounts. A brief description,r, focusing on security issues, would be great!0 Any reference to information would be great too. Thanks in advance, Hector  ( Here are the accounts I'm talking about: ADMIMQ DECNET
 FAL$SERVER FIELDt MAIL$SERVERv MIRRO$SERVER
 NML$SERVER PHONE$SERVER PWRK$DEFAULT
 PWRK$GUEST
 RDB$REMOTE RSM$MANAGERt SYSTEM SYSTEST  SYSTEST_CLIG	 TCPIP$FTPt	 TCPIP$LPDb TCPIP$NOBODY TCPIP$REXEC 	 TCPIP$RSH-
 TCPIP$SNMP UCX$FTP 	 UCX$REXECS UCX$RSH1 UCX$SNMP UCX_LPD 
 VPM$SERVER/ ---------------------- * ----------------------S   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:33:06 GMT % From: "-Andy-" <acs@fcgnet.works.net>,, Subject: RE: VMS system accounts description> Message-ID: <Xns92929DDD81344acsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>  5 "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>1 enlightened us with   9 > We don't do homework for people unless they answer the A; > questions three, bring us a shrubbery and leave unmarked t8 > bills underneath the leftmost garden gnome (as viewed 2 > with your back to the street, facing the house.)  = Aren't you forgetting something ? Is it no longer fashionabled: to also make them memorize the VMS FAQ and require them to; recite a section selected at random (In a loud voice, whilew8 walking backwards, while balancing the VMS Documentation3 Master Index on their head (the dead-tree copy)) ? -   -Andy-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:57:20 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>c, Subject: Re: VMS system accounts descriptionH Message-ID: <47Mj9.104418$U_.42653@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messagea$ news:amnva9$js9$1@web1.cup.hp.com... >  >Q+ > :Here are the accounts I'm talking about:e >n	 > :ADMIMQn >r, >   This is not a username that I recognize.    B Believe this is an IBM MQ Series messaging software admin account.   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Sep 2002 20:58:49 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: VMS system accounts description* Message-ID: <amnva9$js9$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  m In article <b23aa71.0209231013.2ed6038c@posting.google.com>, hecvillaf@yahoo.com (Hector Villafuerte) writes:2  / :I need to find information about some accounts/  :in an OpenVMS, Alpha OS, v7.1.   @   Please move to an OpenVMS release with Current Support or with@   Prior Version Support, and please also apply the mandatory ECOB   kits for the particular OpenVMS release in use.   Please see theF   OpenVMS FAQ for details related to finding and downloading ECO kits.   :I think all ofe0 :these are system accounts. A brief description,- :focusing on security issues, would be great!91 :Any reference to information would be great too.-  :   The manuals are at <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/>.  <   Start with a thorough read of the OpenVMS security manual.  :   Read the recommended security settings, and particularly4   the section on running OpenVMS in an NCSC Class C2   environment.  <   Consider what (inexperienced) auditors tell you to do with>   great care, as certain (erroneous) recommendations that I've=   personally heard auditors expound can render OpenVMS itself ?   unsupportable or inoperable.  My favorite example: I was once .   told to entirely remove the SYSTEM username.  B   The security manual contains the recommendations for configuringC   and using and securing OpenVMS in a Class C2 security environment-?   -- this C2 security is what many commercial sites and various C   "system-high" military-security sites will want to use.  Further,nB   details on how to review and how to re-secure after a successfulB   break-in -- effectively the same steps as securing a previously E   uncontrolled environment, obviously -- are provided in this manual.t  ) :Here are the accounts I'm talking about:o   :ADMIMQ   *   This is not a username that I recognize.   :DECNETp     DECnet, of course.   :FAL$SERVERp  $   DECnet File Access Listener (FAL).   :FIELD     The Field Service user..   :MAIL$SERVER     The MAIL server   
 :MIRRO$SERVERs     The DECnet Mirror server   :NML$SERVER.  ,   The DECnet Network Management Layer server  
 :PHONE$SERVER      The DECnet PHONE objecto  
 :PWRK$DEFAULT      PATHWORKS    :PWRK$GUEST      PATHWORKSc   :RDB$REMOTEw     Rdba   :RSM$MANAGER     Remote System Managerw   :SYSTEMn     The main SYSTEM username   :SYSTEST     The System Test user  
 :SYSTEST_CLIGt     The Cluster System Test user  
 :TCPIP$FTP      The TCP/IP FTP Server username  
 :TCPIP$LPD      The TCP/IP LPD Server username  
 :TCPIP$NOBODYe     The TCP/IP "nobody" user   :TCPIP$REXEC     The TCP/IP rexec userm  
 :TCPIP$RSH     The TCP/IP rsh useri   :TCPIP$SNMP      The TCP/IP SNMP user   :UCX$FTP  $   The older TCP/IP Services FTP user  
 :UCX$REXEC  &   The older TCP/IP Services rexec user   :UCX$RSH  $   The older TCP/IP Services rsh user  	 :UCX$SNMPt  %   The older TCP/IP Services SNMP userc   :UCX_LPD  $   The older TCP/IP Services LPD user   :VPM$SERVER0      The remote MONITOR server user    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2002 14:05:00 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: warning during copy= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0209231305.6087a017@posting.google.com>s  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KMUFIZG5KY9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...B > > I am trying to copy a file and I am getting following warning.L > > Please explain the meaning of this warning as well as how to remove this > > warning  > >  > > %COPY-W-INCOMPAT,nB > > DISK$USER01:[USER.APATWARD.FINAL_SAMPLES]PIPPIN_4-SEP-2002.MON > > DAT;1 (input) andkB > > VIEW$ANI_VANTIVE:[VMS.USER2.CVAXDEV.ROLLOUT.REFCOPY]PIPPIN_4-S: > > EP-2002.MONDAT;1 (output) have incompatible attributes > I > The message is clear: it's "just" a warning because the attributes are fD > different.  Why should you care (the command "works" after all)?  H > Question: what should be the attributes of the output file?  Like the 
 > input file?= > 8 > Also, is *.* for the output file really what you want?    8 Well, sometimes it matters. Here I copy a VFC file and a? variable-length record to a new file and it doesn't produce thee expected results:C  e DCL> DIR/FUL VFC.A;,VL   " Directory DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN.DCL]  i5 VFC.A;1                       File ID:  (1090,2934,0)u1 Size:            1/4          Owner:    [FELDMAN]O" Created:   22-MAR-2002 23:37:40.34& Revised:   22-MAR-2002 23:39:15.03 (2) Expires:   <None specified>l" Backup:    20-SEP-2002 23:45:59.81 Effective: <None specified>t Recording: <None specified>s File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      OnlineE File attributes:    Allocation: 4, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0,n No version limit7 Record format:      VFC, 2 byte header, maximum 6 bytesd/ Record attributes:  Print file carriage controla RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None? File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:REO Access Cntrl List:  None   3 VL.A;1                        File ID:  (1497,50,0)a1 Size:            1/4          Owner:    [FELDMAN] " Created:   22-MAR-2002 23:34:38.21& Revised:   22-MAR-2002 23:39:02.62 (6) Expires:   <None specified>h" Backup:    20-SEP-2002 23:45:59.81 Effective: <None specified>n Recording: <None specified>o File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      OnlineE File attributes:    Allocation: 4, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0,  No version limit5 Record format:      Variable length, maximum 32 bytesh4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None? File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:RE, Access Cntrl List:  None  r Total of 2 files, 2/8 blocks.  DCL> TYPE VFC.Ae LINE 1 LINE 2 LINE 3 DCL> TYPE VL.A LINE 1 LINE 2 LINE 3 LINE 4  LINE 5 IS LONGER THAN THE OTHERS DCL> COPY VFC.A,VL; VFC-VL9 %COPY-S-COPIED, DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN.DCL]VFC.A;1 copied tom, DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN.DCL]VFC-VL.A;2 (1 block)< %COPY-W-INCOMPAT, DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN.DCL]VL.A;1 (input) and= DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN.DCL]VFC-VL.A;2 (output) have incompatiblec	 attribute- s-< %COPY-S-APPENDED, DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN.DCL]VL.A;1 appended to. DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN.DCL]VFC-VL.A;2 (5 records) DCL> TYPE VFC-VL.A LINE 1 LINE 28 LINE 1LINE 2LINE 3LINE 4LINE 5 IS LONGER THAN THE OTHERS DCL>   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:25:54 -0400 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>i0 Subject: Re: What is happening to the industry ?2 Message-ID: <3D8F6AC2.D8C58476@firstdbasource.com>   Atlant Schmidt wrote:  > + > > Re: What is happening to the industry ?  > 2 > After a 224 year run, American democracy died on/ > December 12th, 2000 when the US Supreme Courty7 > decided it was more important to prevent a Republicano7 > riot than to count votes. As a result, we installed at7 > corrupt, ignorant, amoral, deserting (from-the-armed-p3 > forces), drunk, cocaine-abusing, pretzel-inhalingo8 > foul-mouthed bigot* as the "leader of the free world".8 > This has had the predictable ripple effects throughout > the world economy. > 7 > WIth a little good luck, we'll correct the problem ine7 > 2004. With a lot of luck, we'll correct it on Nov 5ths4 > of this year. But there is a small but definitely-. > non-zero probability that we will *NEVER* be6 > able to correct the error that occurred that sad day
 > in 2000. >  > Atlant > , > * And those are just the *WELL-DOCUMENTED*5 >   defects in our "leaders" character. IF we want ton4 >   examine the merely-alleged problems, there isn't! >   enough space on the Internet.o  A Obviously you must have voted for the previous corrupt, ignorant, A amoral, <draft-dodging>, drunk, cocaine-abusing, pretzel-inhalingt foul-mouthed bigot*.  H Although it is kind of funny that when ALL the votes were recounted,thisC <insert your list here> leader of the free world really did win thetH election -- even using the most liberal defintions of what constituted a6 vote --or did you forget about this little known fact.  E When you have an entire state with the same voting mechanisms and youR@ only challenge a fractional subset that could possibly push yourF candidate over the top - well, if you can't see the problem with that,- then there is not much hope for you either...r   M.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2002 16:03:25 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)h0 Subject: Re: What is happening to the industry ?3 Message-ID: <thiSXKPF2UaU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <3D8F6AC2.D8C58476@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > J > Although it is kind of funny that when ALL the votes were recounted,thisE > <insert your list here> leader of the free world really did win the J > election -- even using the most liberal defintions of what constituted a8 > vote --or did you forget about this little known fact.  H    Actually, no.  If the recount request made by the Democrats was done,;    they lost.  But if all the votes were counted, they won.y  F    Unfortunately no one who could ask for a recount was interested in E    counting all the votes.  Just the ones they thought would support i    their case.  G > When you have an entire state with the same voting mechanisms and youoB > only challenge a fractional subset that could possibly push yourH > candidate over the top - well, if you can't see the problem with that,/ > then there is not much hope for you either...m  A    That was one of the problems.  Florida did not have consistent -    mechanisms or procedures across the state.p   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:29:37 GMT-1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> 0 Subject: Re: What is happening to the industry ?, Message-ID: <5JLj9.47537$gA4.6966@sccrnsc02>  ? "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in messages' news:3D8F21E6.51E9A59@mindspring.com...  > JF Mezei wrote:  >i+ > > Re: What is happening to the industry ?g > 2 > After a 224 year run, American democracy died on/ > December 12th, 2000 when the US Supreme Courte7 > decided it was more important to prevent a Republican-7 > riot than to count votes. As a result, we installed a-7 > corrupt, ignorant, amoral, deserting (from-the-armed-@3 > forces), drunk, cocaine-abusing, pretzel-inhaling98 > foul-mouthed bigot* as the "leader of the free world".8 > This has had the predictable ripple effects throughout > the world economy.  D My, they teach a lot about American politics in Canada. Yep, Bush isL responsible for cancer, psoriasis, the transfer of nuclear technology to theK ChiComs (a matter that just cost the Democrats over $700K USD!), Enron, thedF dot-com implosion, and of course 9-11. As the esteemed andd soon to beI ousted imbecile Cynthia McKinney said, Bush knew about 9-11 and aided andg
 abetted same.      > 7 > WIth a little good luck, we'll correct the problem in-7 > 2004. With a lot of luck, we'll correct it on Nov 5the4 > of this year. But there is a small but definitely-. > non-zero probability that we will *NEVER* be6 > able to correct the error that occurred that sad day
 > in 2000. >   I So, are you contributing to the President Daschle/Vice President Hillary! D Team? I can hardly wait. I won't have to worry about income taxes orI anything since those Who Know More Than We Do will simply take everyone'se* income and redistribute it as they choose.  F Thanks for offering prima facie evidence that the USA doesn't have the market cornered on stupidity!    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2002 16:17:03 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)0 Subject: Re: What is happening to the industry ?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0209231517.5ed1c5d0@posting.google.com>h  g Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<3D8F21E6.51E9A59@mindspring.com>...  > JF Mezei wrote:t > + > > Re: What is happening to the industry ?a > 2 > After a 224 year run, American democracy died on/ > December 12th, 2000 when the US Supreme Court 7 > decided it was more important to prevent a RepublicanF7 > riot than to count votes. As a result, we installed a 7 > corrupt, ignorant, amoral, deserting (from-the-armed-n3 > forces), drunk, cocaine-abusing, pretzel-inhalingN8 > foul-mouthed bigot* as the "leader of the free world".8 > This has had the predictable ripple effects throughout > the world economy. > 7 > WIth a little good luck, we'll correct the problem in'7 > 2004. With a lot of luck, we'll correct it on Nov 5the4 > of this year. But there is a small but definitely-. > non-zero probability that we will *NEVER* be6 > able to correct the error that occurred that sad day
 > in 2000. >  > Atlant >   < this recession started under Clinton, not Bush ... taxes are; regressive ... Bush has tried to stimulate the economy, but < a DEMOCRAT NAMED DASCHLE has blocked or delayed almost every; economic reform put forth by Bush ... this is the result ofD: the roaring Clinton nineties when stocks traded up 200x or< more their earnings which was absolutety insane, and now you; are reaping the whirlwind ... computer science was my major : but economics was my minor ... if you can logically debate= the issue, then bring it on, if not, don't make yourself lookr foolish ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:07:55 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>' Subject: Re: Why is there SWAPFILE.SYS?s8 Message-ID: <nv3vou0ord0vqf69eud6l0kuuuiuhht2fh@4ax.com>  6 On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:17:54 -0400, "Lorraine Profeta"5 <profetal@greaterbaynet.com@greaterbaynet.com> wrote:>   >Alan,K >        You swap a process out of (or into) memory, but you page part of a M >process.  I.e., when you page, the least used part of a process is taken out D >of physical memory and put into virtual memory (PAGEFILE.SYS).  TheI >operating system will take an incative process out of memory and swap it I >into SWAPFILE.SYS.  You want to swap as little as possible as it eats upM
 >resources.     ? I know I've stated this before, but this "rule of thumb" is not F necessarily true.  First of all, VMS can swap much better than it used( to when many people formed this opinion.  > Second, there can be systems where there are a large number ofB concurrent users, but they are not all active.  I did experience aC cluster with something like 6000 user processes.  Only 24 were everp active at a time.s  @ Now, the customer could either purchase a *very* large amount ofF memory, it they could swap out entire processes.  The clue to all thisB is to balance the inswap rate.  Generally, if you inswap an entireB process, it takes one I/O.  Whereas, if you page lots, you usually7 page in smaller number of pages at a time (pfcdefault).J   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2002 15:19:33 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com has been HPedn3 Message-ID: <JvVJIZ$nYWTC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <79Kj9.256504$1S3.6327923@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:l > In article <ojuPPW7MCXssgH=1KVi=seueVza6@4ax.com>, David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> writes:; >>http://www.openvms.compaq.com now has the HP color schemet  >>and format.  Happy hunting ... >  > Happy ???k > M > With NETSCAPE V3 I now also have this awful slooooooooow background picturegO > painting (and repainting and repainting) which led me stop digging www.hp.comm > some years ago...t  G With Netscape Communicator 4.77-20010326 I can now read the text on theaH left, which I could not with the Compaq design.  But I see no background: picture.  Are you sure you don't have JavaScript enabled ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:42:59 GMTs. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)1 Subject: Re: www.openvms.compaq.com has been HPed-5 Message-ID: <79Kj9.256504$1S3.6327923@news.chello.at>-  j In article <ojuPPW7MCXssgH=1KVi=seueVza6@4ax.com>, David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> writes:: >http://www.openvms.compaq.com now has the HP color scheme >and format.  Happy hunting ...a  	 Happy ???n  K With NETSCAPE V3 I now also have this awful slooooooooow background pictureeM painting (and repainting and repainting) which led me stop digging www.hp.com  some years ago...p  H And it even ends in a "Request Timeout" loading some akamai.net address.  4 Count me as a non-supporter of the new web design !!   -Peter  H PS: Yes, I can use MOSAIC and LYNX for this site with my VS4090, but why am I now forced to ? -- d Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistm E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:20:22 +0100- From: <aproc5@attglobal.net> Subject: Re: ZIP version 2.2) Message-ID: <3d8f9766_2@news1.prserv.net>.  L Please dont reply using the return mail address, its one from my laptop dial7 up as I'm on the road and it isnt a valid mail address.a  = Please use andy.proctor@spirentcom.com if you reply directly.   - Thanks...I forgot to say in my original post.e   Andy   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:35:34 -0400t* From: "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM>; Subject: Re: [OT] Could Philip Zimmermann work for the CIA? * Message-ID: <amnqhl$ic6$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   >Good for you, Leo!a >b >Glenn Everharti   Thanks Glenn!,L        But as much as I'd like to take the credit for this, it is really oneL of the VMS security engineers working on a  "little side project" who is theH real driving force behind the port.  Being a product manager type I just badger them into doing it. :^)  L I don't have a EV9 powered crystal ball, so I won't try to guess at what NAI3 might/would/should do with the PGP for VMS product.t  E  But I do know that we have a working version of a port of GnuPG 0.97sH running on VMS and we are planning on offering it as an OpenSource toolsJ project.  GnuPG just released a new version, V1.2 (big version jump there)J so we will hold off and take a look at what it'll take to upgrade the portK to Version 1.2.  We seem to have incredible timing with OpenSource SecurityrH ports,  Just after we submitted the CD with the OpenSSL port of 0.96b asL "OpenSSL for VMS 1.0" the security patches were announced, so we had to makeI OpenSSL 1.0-A available with the security patches in it via the web site.tL Now we were just getting ready to put GnuPG 0.97 out on the OpenSource Tools site and GnuPG releases V1.2.tJ  The port will eventually make it out to the OpenSource Tools web site andI will be on the OpenSource Tools CD with the next release of OpenVMS. BothiL the web site and the CD releases will include the sources so it'll be usable4 by all VMS customers, hobbyist and commercial alike.  L FYI: I'll have a working copy of the 097 port at the Security Demo in the HPJ booth at HP ETS. I'll also be showing the other security feature availableC with 7.3-1 including Kerberos telnet, Stunnel, SYS$ACM, GnuPG and ad	 surprise.t   - Leo- --
 Leo Demers  OpenVMS Security Product Manager Leo_dot_Demers_at_HP_dot_COMJ "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message0 news:20020922070642.29368.qmail@nym.alias.net...3 > On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Everhart <ge@gce.com> wrote:m > L > >GPG is a whole other kettle of fish from PGP in that regard. It has neverA > >been the captive of a company, never had backdoors added, etc.tD > >On the whole it is IMO a better tool to be using. I don't believe	 ZimmermanuI > >did any nefarious things with it, but PGP has been out of Phil's hands I > >for a while now. GPG on the other hand is pure open source; if someoneh@ > >thinks there is a backdoor in it, he is free to exhibit same. >aJ > Full source code for PGP was released for versions up to, and including,H > v658. At the release of v7 source code was not made available, shortly > thereafter Phil left NAI.n >tI > The new owners of PGP have said they will release source code, although  I'm 5 > not sure if this will be a complete release or not.t >wK > I would certainly like to see a version of PGP released for VMS, I'm sure K > others would too. Naturally, I'd be interested in seeing them support the I > Hobbyist programme too, but more critical would be the provision of PGPp fori  > use in corporate environments. >t >a > Doc. > --8 > The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. > ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum. https://vmsbox.cjb.net >e >. >m   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.527 ************************: <3D8F62BB.1BA9B212@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > G > I think HP has an interest in seeing IPF succeed, and in HP providingG > leading IPF solutions.  J True. But HP also has an interest in maximising shareholder value and whenF Carly needs to streamline the company and cut costs, which OS will get priori            ×    ė    ŗ    Ɨ    Ǘ    ȗ    ɗ    ʗ    ˗    ̗    ͗    Η    ϗ    З    ї    җ    ӗ    ԗ    ՗    ֗    ח    ؗ    ٗ    ڗ    ۗ    ܗ    ݗ    ޗ    ߗ        ᗲ    ◲    㗲    䗲    嗲    旲    痲    藲    闲    ꗲ    뗲    엲    헲            𗲪    񗲪    򗲪    󗲪                                                    