1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 26 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 532       Contents: Re: "inview" Article0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... Re: %SYSTEM-F-DEVREQERR  Re: A query  A query  Re: A query  Re: A query  Re: A query ! Addendum: WASD/SYS$INPUT question ( Alphaserver ES80 Technical Specification, Re: Alphaserver ES80 Technical Specification+ Re: BACKUP to saveset on NFS mounted volume + Re: BACKUP to saveset on NFS mounted volume + Re: BACKUP to saveset on NFS mounted volume + Re: BACKUP to saveset on NFS mounted volume + Re: BACKUP to saveset on NFS mounted volume + Re: BACKUP to saveset on NFS mounted volume 
 Callable mail  Re: Callable mail  Re: Callable mail ! Re: Changing Strings in EXE files ! Re: Changing Strings in EXE files ! Re: Changing Strings in EXE files ! Re: Changing Strings in EXE files  Re: COPY/FTP passive mode * Re: delete/erase & init/erase w/dod_erapat Deleting expired licenses  Digital Related Stuff for Sale Gordon Bell on Capellas  Re: Gordon Bell on Capellas 0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?N Here is the announcment for the Symposium as well as some updated information.& Re: How to eject a TK70 tape manually?& Re: How to eject a TK70 tape manually? Re: HP to increase job cuts  Re: HP to increase job cuts  Memory for DS25 # Re: OpenVMS 25th anniversary survey # Re: OpenVMS 25th anniversary survey , Q: Can OpenVMS be run on a Digital PWS 500a?0 Re: Q: Can OpenVMS be run on a Digital PWS 500a?0 Re: Q: Can OpenVMS be run on a Digital PWS 500a?  Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless? Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?  Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?  Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?  Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?  Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?  Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?  Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless? Runnming Java program in VMS  Re: Runnming Java program in VMS= Some of the questions I have recevied regarding the symposium A Re: Some of the questions I have recevied regarding the symposium  Re: Tomcat and CSWS (Apache) Re: UCX security advisory  Re: UCX security advisory  Re: UCX security advisory  Re: UCX security advisory  Re: UCX security advisory  Re: UCX security advisory  Re: UCX security advisory  Re: UCX security advisory  Re: UCX security advisory  Re: UCX security advisory  VMS 7.3 DCL / MX0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 RE: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)% VMS jobs available at OpenVMS Monster  Re: VMS performance software Re: warning during copy  Re: warning during copy  WASD/SYS$INPUT question  WTB: MicroVAX 3300A Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability] A Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability] A Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability] A Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability] A Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability]   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:04:14 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: "inview" Article , Message-ID: <3D9321EE.30509@nospamn.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3D91FA39.E6809340@videotron.ca... > * >>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >>- >>>As for Sun-Linux, no I don't claim its the - >>>best Linux, but it is pre-integrated comes - >>>with a bunch of supported software and its 
 >>>also free.  >> >>$ >>Andrew, I have a question for you. >>L >>In the Digital days, the powers decided that Alpha based systems could notH >>compete against Wintel systems because Digital was trying to develop a >  > Wintel > J >>business and didn't want Alphas to reduce slaes of the struggling wintelB >>business. As a result, Alpha were always priced higher and never >  > succeeded. > E >>Isn't there a danger that this may happen to Sun as well  ? Doesn't I >>"abdicating" to Linux mean that Sun will no longer struggle to make its H >>Solaris systems competitive at the lower end and little by little, its >  > market > L >>"niche" will get pushed into the higher end only until you're down to just >  > a  > 0 >>few market segments , as has happened to VMS ? >  > N > While I'd like to see Andrew's answer, I think that Sun's chief engineer mayB > have given one about a month ago in an extensive ZDNet interview >   ; Solaris and Linux are largely speaking compatible with each C other. Linux is basically a kernel that hosts a bunch of opensource B libraries, compilers and utilities mostly from GNU. Or put anotherB way 95% of what people who don't understand what Linux is think is Linux isn't (is that clear).  C The 95% of Linux that isnt't Linux is available for Solaris etc, we D ship a lot of it either in Solaris or as packages that can be loaded as options.   A More critically the 95% of Linux that isn't Linux is the bit that @ people code to, script to and interact with. Once you understand this you understand that:   7 1. The Linux "bandwagon isn't going to sweep commercial ; UNIX's away, because it isn't from a programming standpoint & a Linux bandwagon its a GNU bandwagon.  7 2. The differentiation between Linux and say Solaris is 7 about what the Kernel, which includes VM filesystem etc 6 is capable of rather than what is layered on top since! that can if you wish be the same.   5 So you buy a system based on what its capable of. Buy 1 a Solaris server from Sun if you want scalability 6 reliability etc. Buy Sun-Linux if these arn't criteria9 you are interested and if you are interested in squeezing 5 costs or building appliance/semi custom type systems.   9 People writing applications can write to one set of API's 6 and still be able to run their SW on Solaris or Linux.  ; Applications sell systems, lack of applications the reverse 5 we don't see any sign of people dropping Solaris as a 3 porting platform, we do however see people who were 2 only Win32 ISV's porting to Linux which then is an easy jump to Solaris.   ; This is totally different to the Wintel/VMS debate. Despite > its heredity in VMS NT was and is totally different to program0 manage and interact with when compared with VMS.  ; People developing code, writing scripts etc had to maintain ; one code base for VMS and one for NT. You needed additional 6 products to get NT to network sucessfully to VMS boxes: the user interfaces were totally different if you happened, to have graphics heads for each etc etc etc.    N > http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2878365,00.html M > ).  His take is that Sun will open-source Solaris code such that Linux will M > become a kind of little brother to it (as in a slightly analogous way P3 is L > a useful predecessor for P4 to have around, because they address differentL > though overlapping markets):  Solaris will get new features of interest toF > the enterprise community earlier than Linux does, and the Sun systemE > programming team will give both Solaris and Linux customers faster, M > better-backed responses to problems than the open source community at large  > will.  > F > So unlike the situation with VMS and Windows, Solaris and Linux willN > leverage each other's compatible characteristics, and SPARC will survive (orG > not) as a hardware platform (that's source-code-compatible with other N > Linux/Solaris platforms) independently based on the ability of SPARC systemsL > to compete with other hardware platforms (especially in the higher-margin,J > lower-volume enterprise spaces where commodity solutions may not cut it:H > there's nothing wrong with becoming a niche product if the margins are > good). > @ > It's an interesting vision, and by virtue of its existing UnixM > specialization Sun seems better-positioned to make it a reality than anyone I > else.  And there's a lot to be said for "sticking to one's knitting" if # > you're good at it (which Sun is).  >  > - bill >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:16:30 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 2 Message-ID: <OMDk9.14$0g5.314502@news.cpqcorp.net>   Bill Todd wrote in message: <3ipk9.287313$AR1.12262220@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... >  > H >'Successful'?  'Wins'?  Do you know anything about this bozo that would: >cause you to associate these positive qualities with him? >   J Aside from knowing a single opinion, which you don't share, I know nothing about him.  Do you?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:16:59 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 2 Message-ID: <fNDk9.15$Ye5.300141@news.cpqcorp.net>  : Brian Tillman wrote in message <3d92608f$1@news.si.com>...I >>In a Disney world, Michael J. Fox ends up taking over the company after  >pretending to be ' >>an executive instead of the mail boy.  > A >Wow!  Has Michael J. Fox replaced Michael Eisner?  Even with his  >Parkinson's?  That's news!   J Apparently you are movie challenged.  I was recounting the basic plot to a/ silly movie, of which I can't recall the title.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:24:53 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 0 Message-ID: <FUDk9.13$2s5.14227@news.uswest.net>  I So how does this affect the merger???  Also, since the merger is history, J why is this important to the future of VMS - HP and Compaq aren't going toI unmerge because of this.  Basically, this isn't newsworthy other than the ( fact that an analyst lied on his resume.  
 Mike Ober.  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3D91AB09.CAC6A16D@aaa.com...  > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5559 >  > /Jan-Erik Sderholm.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:55:28 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3D946350.2040308@mail.tele.dk>    Michael D. Ober wrote:  K > So how does this affect the merger???  Also, since the merger is history, L > why is this important to the future of VMS - HP and Compaq aren't going toK > unmerge because of this.  Basically, this isn't newsworthy other than the * > fact that an analyst lied on his resume.   True.   2 It is just another good story to tell in 10 years.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:00:23 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3D946477.8000701@mail.tele.dk>    Bill Todd wrote:  B > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message. > news:CFkk9.22$Rr4.432219@news.cpqcorp.net...= >>                               So the guy didn't have a law J >>degree.  Sounds like grounds for dismissal if he said he did.  Does that >>mean his advice was bad? > N > Nope.  But by demonstrating his lack of integrity it increases the odds that' > his advice may have been influenced -     9 That is not a fact. That is purely based on an assumption 7 that there are white hats that never lie and black hats  that do lie.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:04:58 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3D94658A.5030104@mail.tele.dk>    Bill Todd wrote:  B > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message. > news:CFkk9.22$Rr4.432219@news.cpqcorp.net...5 >>   A successful football coach is fired for padding F >>his resume.  Does it mean his wins as a coach should be invalidated? > I > 'Successful'?  'Wins'?  Do you know anything about this bozo that would ; > cause you to associate these positive qualities with him?   0 The point is that the results stand. Good or bad does not matter.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:06:07 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3D9473DF.1090407@mail.tele.dk>    Bill Todd wrote:  < > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message' > news:3D946477.8000701@mail.tele.dk...  >>Bill Todd wrote:O >>>Nope.  But by demonstrating his lack of integrity it increases the odds that ( >>>his advice may have been influenced - >>; >>That is not a fact. That is purely based on an assumption 9 >>that there are white hats that never lie and black hats  >>that do lie. > E > You seem confused about the difference between probability and hard J > cause/effect connections.  The former is what I (explicitly) referred to > above.  2 Can you refer me to a scientific study saying that5 because a person lied about something then he is more 3 more likely to be "behave bad" in another context ?    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:10:37 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3D9474ED.2040804@mail.tele.dk>    Bill Todd wrote:  < > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message' > news:3D94658A.5030104@mail.tele.dk...  >>Bill Todd wrote:C >>>"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message / >>>news:CFkk9.22$Rr4.432219@news.cpqcorp.net... 6 >>>>  A successful football coach is fired for paddingH >>>>his resume.  Does it mean his wins as a coach should be invalidated? >>>>J >>>'Successful'?  'Wins'?  Do you know anything about this bozo that would< >>>cause you to associate these positive qualities with him? >>> 2 >>The point is that the results stand. Good or bad >>does not matter. > J > You seem confused yet again.  Fred's analogy suggested that such results	 > existed     8 I read Freds statements as that the results stand - good? or bad - and he choosed the "good" example, but could also have = choosen the "bad" example: the losses do not get invalidated.   3 You choosed to read it as a claim that this analyst  was a big success.  . May I suggest you lower the flame level a bit,' if you do not have a better foundation.    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:39:33 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... C Message-ID: <F_Ek9.299301$5r1.12902826@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   : "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message% news:3D946477.8000701@mail.tele.dk...  > Bill Todd wrote: > D > > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message0 > > news:CFkk9.22$Rr4.432219@news.cpqcorp.net...? > >>                               So the guy didn't have a law L > >>degree.  Sounds like grounds for dismissal if he said he did.  Does that > >>mean his advice was bad? > > K > > Nope.  But by demonstrating his lack of integrity it increases the odds  that) > > his advice may have been influenced -  >  > ; > That is not a fact. That is purely based on an assumption 9 > that there are white hats that never lie and black hats  > that do lie.  C You seem confused about the difference between probability and hard H cause/effect connections.  The former is what I (explicitly) referred to above.  L If you find that someone has lied in N out of N statements, for large valuesG of N their credibility is completely shot.  For small values of N it is 1 still brought into question - even if N equals 1.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:42:54 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... C Message-ID: <O1Fk9.302931$AR1.13118653@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   : "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message% news:3D94658A.5030104@mail.tele.dk...  > Bill Todd wrote: > D > > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message0 > > news:CFkk9.22$Rr4.432219@news.cpqcorp.net...7 > >>   A successful football coach is fired for padding H > >>his resume.  Does it mean his wins as a coach should be invalidated? > > K > > 'Successful'?  'Wins'?  Do you know anything about this bozo that would = > > cause you to associate these positive qualities with him?  > 2 > The point is that the results stand. Good or bad > does not matter.  H You seem confused yet again.  Fred's analogy suggested that such resultsL existed, and I was simply asking him to specify them.  As it turned out fromL his later response, Fred hasn't a clue whether Kumar has a credible 'win' to% his name or not - which was my point.   L If you instead meant the 'result' that the merger actually took place, you'dK better get used to continuing criticism of that result:  there's no sign of  its letting up any time soon.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:44:39 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... B Message-ID: <r3Fk9.238316$216.8576621@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:OMDk9.14$0g5.314502@news.cpqcorp.net... >  > Bill Todd wrote in message< > <3ipk9.287313$AR1.12262220@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... > >  > > J > >'Successful'?  'Wins'?  Do you know anything about this bozo that would< > >cause you to associate these positive qualities with him? > >  > L > Aside from knowing a single opinion, which you don't share, I know nothing > about him.  Do you?   C No, but I wasn't the one attempting to associate such (or any other $ unsubstantiated) qualities with him.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:30:54 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 2 Message-ID: <2DGk9.27$Zn5.488567@news.cpqcorp.net>   Bill Todd wrote in message ... > A >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message - >news:OMDk9.14$0g5.314502@news.cpqcorp.net...  >> >> Bill Todd wrote in message = >> <3ipk9.287313$AR1.12262220@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...  >> > >> >K >> >'Successful'?  'Wins'?  Do you know anything about this bozo that would = >> >cause you to associate these positive qualities with him?  >> > >>E >> Aside from knowing a single opinion, which you don't share, I know  nothing  >> about him.  Do you? > D >No, but I wasn't the one attempting to associate such (or any other% >unsubstantiated) qualities with him.  >   J I wasn't, but the story was.  He lied on his resume, his opinion on HP wasF important.  They didn't say anything about *any* other opinion the guy) wrote.b  Just the link to the HP opinion.   G My response is "So he lied on his resume.  So what?".  The fact that he H authored the opinion doesn't mean A) it was wrong, or B) that he had theF ability to issue such an opinion without the advice and consent of hisE employer - who has said that they stand by the opinion, and that they   reviewed it prior to it's issue.  K Lying on a resume may or may not say something about the individual, but it K is wrong to try to link it to the performance of his technical analysis, or H it's correctness.  Being a lawyer has just about as much relationship toK opinions on a HP merger, as having a dental degree.  Just like the football K coach's lie had no link to his performance as a coach.  You need to look at  the work product itself.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:45:52 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... . Message-ID: <3D9339C0.1DFD31B9@mindspring.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  < > Brian Tillman wrote in message <3d92608f$1@news.si.com>...K > >>In a Disney world, Michael J. Fox ends up taking over the company after  > >pretending to be ) > >>an executive instead of the mail boy.  > > C > >Wow!  Has Michael J. Fox replaced Michael Eisner?  Even with his  > >Parkinson's?  That's news!  > L > Apparently you are movie challenged.  I was recounting the basic plot to a1 > silly movie, of which I can't recall the title.      "The Secret of My Succe$s"  "   http://us.imdb.com/Title?0093936     "Oh yeah"   0                                           Atlant   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 07:35:44 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-DEVREQERR3 Message-ID: <7hKKrLER3hN6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <4a62e59.0209250830.490ab011@posting.google.com>, smahler@icbme01.ionics.com (smahler) writes: @ > We have DECnet for OpenVMS VAX V6.1 running on OpenVMS VAX 6.2       OK DECnet Phase IV, I assume.  @ > We also have TCP/IP running with DHCP doled out by Windows NT.  '    Which has nothing to do with DECnet.   ? > We have operated without problems for years but are currently 2 > experiencing problems with our DECNet terminals.  B    DECnet terminal?  What do you mean by "DECNet terminals" [sic]?K    What is it, really:  LAT, CTERM, RTPAD, TELNET, or something else thing?   F    I'll guess you don't really know.  But if you tell us what commands=    or environment are used to start one we can figure it out.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:51:24 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: A query) Message-ID: <3D931EEC.3EB13CF7@127.0.0.1>    Sandeep Yelwatkar wrote: >  > Hi,  > M > I was going through the manual "Volume Shadowing for OpenVMS" in this under 	 > section  > 1.4.1 It is said that  >   H > Here I could not understand what does it mean by "two- or three-member > shadow sets" > $ > Could you please elaborate on that  7 Quickly, cos I'm off to see Patrick Moore this evening,   = It denotes the number of disks taking part in the shadow set.   H You could have a single member shadow set, it makes no real sense from aE data protection point of view, but one physical disk would be part of  DSAn:   G A two member shadowset means that two physical disks form DSAn: (if you E split the shadow set, removed one member for a backup for example, it B would become a single member shadow set again, until you added the removed member)   F A three member shadow set means, guess what, you've got three physicalH disks which are DSAn: You could remove one of the members (for a backup)G and it would become a two member shadow set. This gives you the best of A both worlds, but it is at the cost of the extra physical hardware < required and spindle licences if that is how it is licensed.   Easy eh? --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:21:27 +0530 5 From: "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com>  Subject: A query/ Message-ID: <up679vbqa0m498@corp.supernews.com>    Hi,   K I was going through the manual "Volume Shadowing for OpenVMS" in this under  section  1.4.1 It is said that   L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------# 1.4.1 Maximum Number of Shadow Sets H You can mount a maximum of 500 disks in two- or three-member shadow setsI on a standalone system or in an OpenVMS Cluster system. A limit of 10,000 L single member shadow sets is allowed on a standalone system or on an OpenVMSK Cluster system. Dismounted shadow sets, unused shadow sets, and shadow sets I with no write bitmaps allocated to them are included in this total. These  limitsK are independent of controller and disk type. The shadow sets can be mounted  as public or private volumes.L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------  F Here I could not understand what does it mean by "two- or three-member shadow sets"  " Could you please elaborate on that   Thanks in advance   
 - Sandeep.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:55:32 -0400 + From: "Martin O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>  Subject: Re: A query5 Message-ID: <amval2$9i34k$1@ID-118202.news.dfncis.de>   L Although there is no data protection in a single member set it gives you the# ability to add a member on the fly.    Marty   5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message # news:3D931EEC.3EB13CF7@127.0.0.1...  > J > You could have a single member shadow set, it makes no real sense from aG > data protection point of view, but one physical disk would be part of  > DSAn:  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:27:49 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  Subject: Re: A query8 Message-ID: <6l96pusavmirnqg9a1svv8t6j8r5r6fm5l@4ax.com>  F On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:51:24 +0100, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:   > 8 >Quickly, cos I'm off to see Patrick Moore this evening,  6 Helping him with his Galaxy configuration I assume :-) "My god. It's full of starlets"   D [ Patrick Moore is an astronomer and presenter of the BBC tv "Sky at" Night" since 1850 or something...]  K http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/patrickmoore.shtml  -- Alan   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:00:29 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)  Subject: Re: A query+ Message-ID: <amvaut$jac$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   g In article <up679vbqa0m498@corp.supernews.com>, "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> writes:  >Hi, > L >I was going through the manual "Volume Shadowing for OpenVMS" in this under >section >1.4.1 It is said that > M >----------------------------------------------------------------------------  >------ $ >1.4.1 Maximum Number of Shadow SetsI >You can mount a maximum of 500 disks in two- or three-member shadow sets J >on a standalone system or in an OpenVMS Cluster system. A limit of 10,000M >single member shadow sets is allowed on a standalone system or on an OpenVMS L >Cluster system. Dismounted shadow sets, unused shadow sets, and shadow setsJ >with no write bitmaps allocated to them are included in this total. These >limits L >are independent of controller and disk type. The shadow sets can be mounted >as  >public or private volumes. M >----------------------------------------------------------------------------  >------  > G >Here I could not understand what does it mean by "two- or three-member 
 >shadow sets"  > # >Could you please elaborate on that  >  >Thanks in advance >  >- Sandeep.  >   B A shadow set consisting of either two or three physical disks. (*)  M You shadow your disks so that if one disk fails user's and applications still O have access to the data. For this to happen you need to have at least two disks ! which have the same data on them.   L A common requirement though is to break up the shadowset so that data can be= backed up to tape without disrupting access to the live data. G One member of the shadowset is dismounted and backed up while the users 0 continue to use the remaining shadowset disk(s).  K The reason I said disk(s) above is that removing a member from a two member J shadowset leaves you with just one disk. If this fails you are in trouble.M You can go back to the disk you are backing up but you could have lost a fair ( number of transactions on a busy system.A Hence some organisations set up shadowsets with 3 physical disks. I Hence when you remove one disk to back it up you still have a two member  . shadowset to protect you against disk failure.    K (*) This is the normal situation. But since you can shadow controller based K raid sets etc a physical disk as far as VMS is concerned may be a number of 3 separate disks as far as a controller is concerned.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:04:27 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> * Subject: Addendum: WASD/SYS$INPUT question9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEOLFMAA.tom@kednos.com>    Should have added    $ sho sec/class=device tna3    _TNA3: object of class DEVICE       Owner: [SYSTEM]:      Protection: (System: RWPL, Owner: RWPL, Group, World)!      Access Control List: <empty>    >-----Original Message----- ) >From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com] + >Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:31 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com! >Subject: WASD/SYS$INPUT question  >  > 6 >I get the following message when firing up the server >(This from the WASD log file) > + >Error opening primary input file SYS$INPUT 4 >Insufficient privilege or file protection violation > ! >Any thoughts on hot to fix this?  >TIA >Tom >  >  >---' >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:26:36 +0100 * From: "Paul Sharrock" <psharrock@dabs.com>1 Subject: Alphaserver ES80 Technical Specification % Message-ID: <3d92bf41$1@194.70.94.92>   D Does anyone know the ES80 specification and its approx release date.  J I know its 8 CPU but does it use the same 4 CPU QBB architecture of the GS$ series or is it a true 8 CPU system.     Thanks in advance   
 Paul Sharrock  dabs.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:45:55 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>5 Subject: Re: Alphaserver ES80 Technical Specification ) Message-ID: <3D92C943.9897C87C@127.0.0.1>    Paul Sharrock wrote: > F > Does anyone know the ES80 specification and its approx release date. > L > I know its 8 CPU but does it use the same 4 CPU QBB architecture of the GS& > series or is it a true 8 CPU system.  A HP have been running some sessions, mainly in the US, the "Marvel C Preview" sessions, however not much use to you, as I know that your $ particular .com is physically in .uk  G The ES80 is four twin CPU systems, but they can be treated and regarded F as a single unit. Cables run between each CPU tray providing the mesh.  B It is not a true 8 CPU system in the sense of an SMP system (GS140 etc.).  D However it has taken a different approach, that the electronics thatF formed part of the hierarchical switch, are now embedded on each chip,@ which also allows adaptive routing. Therefore it gets around theH inter-QBB latencies in default setups in a way that would probably allow# you to treat it as an 8 way system.   G But put this into context. There was no 'ES' system available with more C than 4 CPUs in a single box at this performance level, until 'now'.   9 Definition of 'now' depends, ask your local sales office.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:13:49 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 4 Subject: Re: BACKUP to saveset on NFS mounted volume8 Message-ID: <13g5pu4crfk1e9m28sqrvhhg4r8spimt1u@4ax.com>  , On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:57:47 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:"  * >> Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:E >> > BACKUP command fails with excessive crc errors. If the backup isd. >> > "/NOCRC" then you *can* read the saveset. >rG >Check the TCPIP management manual for the NFS stuff. There are variousdN >parameters you cansetup to determine the remote and local format of data whenH >it is exchanged. It is fuzzy in my head now. I think that NFS on VMS isN >capable of building two files on the target NFS drive with the RMS attributesM >stored in one "control" file and the actual data in the other. But I *think*.- >you need to set it up for that type of file..  E I'm familiar with that stuff and the RMS attributes are correctly setQA on save and correctly read on restore. Also if the BACKUP is donerA NOCRC/VERIFY the verification pass is successful. So the questionSF remains why do we fail if BACKUP is calculating CRC checks if the dataE is completely intact? Could this be related to historical BACKUP bugsvB where BACKUP would sometimes (incorrectly) fail with excessive crc* errors when reading a saveset over DECNET?  B In other words is the problem with an nfs mounted disk a sign of a latent bug?l -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:15:23 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e4 Subject: Re: BACKUP to saveset on NFS mounted volume8 Message-ID: <jdg5pugvm9unmfbje764cpi5bqetrkbkg8@4ax.com>  E On 26 Sep 2002 07:13:01 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  wrote:  A >> Should this be considered a bug or a feature? I realise BACKUPa@ >> operations to an NFS volume are not formally supported but... >oC >I guess that will depend on what the data looks like. I suspect ittC >will have a slight resemblance to what was origanally on the disk.P  @ The data with /nocrc is fully intact as a /verify pass confirms. -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:08:59 +0100n( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>4 Subject: Re: BACKUP to saveset on NFS mounted volume) Message-ID: <3D92CEAB.876CB03B@127.0.0.1>    Alan Greig wrote:S > H > When atempting a BACKUP under Alpha VMS 7.2-1 (all appropriate patchesI > installed) and TCPIP 5.0A ECO 2 to an NFS mounted volume, the operationnQ > completes with no errors but cannot be read back. The BACKUP command fails withsR > excessive crc errors. If the backup is "/NOCRC" then you *can* read the saveset.  ( /NOCRC generally partners with /GROUP=0.  E Typically you see excessive crc errors when the block size setting on  the saveset is wrong.A  E Perhaps try different /BLOCK=nnn settings (emphasis on lower numbers)e 2048 is your smallest.   -- i? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesr nclews at csc dot comv   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:03:47 +0100u* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>4 Subject: Re: BACKUP to saveset on NFS mounted volume, Message-ID: <amum11$1m00@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in messageh# news:3D92CEAB.876CB03B@127.0.0.1...M  G > Typically you see excessive crc errors when the block size setting onh > the saveset is wrong.   I If the NFS server doesn't maintain record lengths, I can't see there is ao	 solution.)D There was talk at some time about modifying BACKUP not to care about record lengths on disk...s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:13:24 +0100t( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>4 Subject: Re: BACKUP to saveset on NFS mounted volume) Message-ID: <3D92EBD4.12DB13F8@127.0.0.1>o   Richard Brodie wrote:g > 7 > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in messageT% > news:3D92CEAB.876CB03B@127.0.0.1.... > I > > Typically you see excessive crc errors when the block size setting on  > > the saveset is wrong.i > K > If the NFS server doesn't maintain record lengths, I can't see there is ak > solution..F > There was talk at some time about modifying BACKUP not to care about > record lengths on disk...e  E Default to disk is 32256. Default to tape is 8192. Can the NFS server-E read or write either size? What does BACKUP try to do? Is the group=ni5 context blown away by the transfer size upon reading?   B It is pure speculation but I like to have a good go before I write things off as impossible.i  G Alan's not even stated if the NFS mount is on a VMS box, or some other, 5 could the remote file system be inducing the problem?o  E You could be right. I think I'd resort to a ZIP of the saveset from ag
 staging disk.> --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences> nclews at csc dot como   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:58:20 +0100s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>t4 Subject: Re: BACKUP to saveset on NFS mounted volume8 Message-ID: <i046puo123gme1o3jamut2v5m95m0ufqlh@4ax.com>  F On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:13:24 +0100, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:   >h >aF >Default to disk is 32256. Default to tape is 8192. Can the NFS serverF >read or write either size? What does BACKUP try to do? Is the group=n6 >context blown away by the transfer size upon reading?  E It gets even stranger. It seems the problem is related to the size of>F the backup. I've just successfully backed up to a 216468 block saveset: with BACKUPs defaults and a verify pass and all worked ok.  5 ALAN.BCK;3                    File ID:  (335,29785,0)I2 Size:       216468/216468     Owner:    [CENSORED]" Created:   26-SEP-2002 12:05:15.40& Revised:   26-SEP-2002 12:06:21.86 (1) Expires:   <None specified>i Backup:    <No backup recorded>a Effective: <None specified>  Recording: <None specified>e File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online, Caching attribute:  Unknown caching value: 0@ File attributes:    Allocation: 216468, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No version limit3 Record format:      Fixed length 32256 byte records  Record attributes:  None RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:  Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None  E I cal also read the following saveset which was written /NOCRC/VERIFYe. but could not read it when it was written /CRC    5 MANMAN.BCK;1                  File ID:  (326,29790,0)a3 Size:      2419137/2419137    Owner:    [CENSORED]]s" Created:   25-SEP-2002 13:51:56.20& Revised:   25-SEP-2002 14:00:42.11 (1) Expires:   <None specified>i Backup:    <No backup recorded>i Effective: <None specified>o Recording: <None specified>a File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online, Caching attribute:  Unknown caching value: 0A File attributes:    Allocation: 2419137, Extend: 0, Global buffert count: 0, No version limit3 Record format:      Fixed length 32256 byte recordse Record attributes:  None RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:c Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None    C >It is pure speculation but I like to have a good go before I writee >things off as impossible. >sH >Alan's not even stated if the NFS mount is on a VMS box, or some other,6 >could the remote file system be inducing the problem?  A The remote system is a Network Appliance F730 (may have the modeliB wrong) which is Gigabit connected to our backbone with a 100Mb/sec feed to the VMS box.  D I'm beginning to think it boils down to a size problem. Will have to do some further testing.  F >You could be right. I think I'd resort to a ZIP of the saveset from a >staging disk.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:31:59 -0400p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>. Subject: Callable mail, Message-ID: <3D92C28F.F29658FF@videotron.ca>  L years ago, I had managed to get access to some DECW$BOOK file that containedN the callable mail documentation and manually had converted it to readable text+ (more or less). I still have that printout.i  I However, by now I assume that documentation has made it to the "official"i. status ? In which manual would it be located ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:33:51 +1000n9 From: forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth)  Subject: Re: Callable mail8 Message-ID: <slrnap5hjd.1ml.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>  Y On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:31:59 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> gushed forth:dM >years ago, I had managed to get access to some DECW$BOOK file that containedoO >the callable mail documentation and manually had converted it to readable text , >(more or less). I still have that printout. >iJ >However, by now I assume that documentation has made it to the "official"/ >status ? In which manual would it be located ?   P I assume that you're referring to the mail$..... routines. They're in chapter 13E of the OpenVMS Utility Routines Manual on the OpenVMS v7.2-1 doco CD.      --       Ooroon	 Mark F...   $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 05:24:39 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Callable mail, Message-ID: <3D92CEE3.7BC153FA@videotron.ca>   "Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth" wrote: R > I assume that you're referring to the mail$..... routines. They're in chapter 13G > of the OpenVMS Utility Routines Manual on the OpenVMS v7.2-1 doco CD.c   Thanks.W   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 07:46:30 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: Changing Strings in EXE files3 Message-ID: <ZTaInQ5d+rzo@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  \ In article <3D926485.C8C581B0@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Carl Perkins wrote:zI >> If the source is also changed, then all that testing that he is tryingeG >> to avoid has to be done. Avoiding that was aparently the main reasonn5 >> for changing the executable instead of the source.l > P > But changing a string in an executable does not change its logic. Changing theN > source code allows the person to change the logic. (ok, technically, one canR > change the logic on a vax executable, but not very viable on a alpha executable) >   G    But changing a string which is seen in the program's output changes  H    the interface to the program.  And if you don't test that you asking 
    for it.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 08:07:01 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org* Subject: Re: Changing Strings in EXE files3 Message-ID: <3bHFHo4LiIOV@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  b In article <3d926536$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:C >>But changing a string in an executable does not change its logic.  > I > JF, I guess you've never read the security vulnerabilities about bufferiL > overruns in Unix and Windows, then, if you think changing a string doesn't > change program logic.   C In this case, the change is a length-preserving one in a reasonably.@ short constant string.  So a buffer overrun is a low probability consequence.  H If we were recompiling from source, a buffer overrun would be a somewhat@ higher probability consequence (though we're going from a longerF string to a shorter one, so it's still fairly low probability result).  F The biggest risk I see (aside from the source code revision managementA nightmare) is that a smart programmer or compiler has stolen some C fixed string storage from the middle of "XYZ corporation" and every B occurrence of "ratio" in the updated program output is rendered asD "n    ".  I don't _think_ any of the standard compilers do this, but I could be wrong.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:12:59 GMTj From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGn* Subject: Re: Changing Strings in EXE files0 Message-ID: <00A148C5.5F1BDB22@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <3D926485.C8C581B0@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Carl Perkins wrote:I >> If the source is also changed, then all that testing that he is tryingaG >> to avoid has to be done. Avoiding that was aparently the main reason 5 >> for changing the executable instead of the source.e >sO >But changing a string in an executable does not change its logic. Changing theeM >source code allows the person to change the logic. (ok, technically, one can Q >change the logic on a vax executable, but not very viable on a alpha executable)   ! From where do these myths evolve?e   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMm             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" .   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:04:30 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>* Subject: Re: Changing Strings in EXE files0 Message-ID: <3D932E05.DC5B4D61@blueyonder.co.uk>   Bob Koehler wrote: > ^ > In article <3D926485.C8C581B0@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > > Carl Perkins wrote:oK > >> If the source is also changed, then all that testing that he is tryingiI > >> to avoid has to be done. Avoiding that was aparently the main reasone7 > >> for changing the executable instead of the source., > >eR > > But changing a string in an executable does not change its logic. Changing theP > > source code allows the person to change the logic. (ok, technically, one canT > > change the logic on a vax executable, but not very viable on a alpha executable) > >. > H >    But changing a string which is seen in the program's output changesI >    the interface to the program.  And if you don't test that you asking  >    for it.  S Sanity finally reigns in this thread! Testing is testing and if you change ANYTHINGoP you really should retest. I like to generate a data file with chacksums for each file in the kit distribution.u  N Given the current propensity for companies to change ownership/name, shouldn'tJ best practice be to make the company name a parameter for the application B (say a logical name translated at runtime)? Or would that throw up problems of its own?   regardsk   -- b tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:42:28 GMTd" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>" Subject: Re: COPY/FTP passive mode& Message-ID: <3D92F0E0.BEF61E03@hp.com>  , It is not broken is V7.3 it just not there !   Guyt   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > Guy Peleg wrote: > >lF > > The support for passive copy was in TCPIP for a long time. We haveH > > updated COPY.CLD and DIRECTORY.CLD to support it for V7.3. Since the0 > > update had been made after V7.3 was shipped, > > it only showed in V7.3-1.  >mH > It's in the command tables, but it's not documented in HELP or the DCL
 > Dictionary.n >aE > > What I'm trying to say is please log a service call in your locali/ > > support center and ask to escelate the callaI > > to OpenVMS engineering. I will provide you with the required files toe > > run it on V7.3.a >o1 > So, it's broken in the V7.3 release as shipped?e >F > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systemsd > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:07:08 GMTs) From: Digital VAX VMS <decvaxvms@cox.net> 3 Subject: Re: delete/erase & init/erase w/dod_erapatt' Message-ID: <3D92CDD3.F122B50B@cox.net>-  S Sorry, for not providing greater details...I am using OpenVMS v5.5-2h4 on a VAX.  IeQ do not think that, in this situtation, the type odf drives is important, however,DK they are RZ28, RZ29, and third party.  Once the code is loaded, there is noaR indication that the erase pattern was used.  Additionally, _I_ can't find where in  the code the pattern is located.  & Can you pint me to the right location?? Is there a method to determine that the erase pattern was used?.R I followed the installation process, if there is a error on my part, it could onlyO be that in the sysman add area it states _local, while someone else pointed the N _local_ (note the latter underscore).  Personally, I did not think this made a difference, both worked.   /David   Hoff Hoffman wrote:   Q > In article <3D8C3D9B.81AAC3DA@cox.net>, Dec Vax Vms <decvaxvms@cox.net> writes:e >eE > :    I am wanting to use a greater level of security when using thec@ > :/erase qualifier.  There is an example in sys$examples calledH > :dod_erapat.mar.  I have followed the information as documented.  DoesH > :anyone know if when I use the delete/erase or initialize/erase if theE > :eraparloa.exe ($erapat) is automatically called?  There is not any ? > :indication or response message that the function was called.  >l >   OpenVMS VAX, apparently. >- >   OpenVMS version? >2  >   Type(s) of disk(s) involved? >lD >   Once loaded (per the documentation), the specified erase pattern- >   mechanism is used for all erase requests.6 >bH >   You will want to elaborate on the specifics of your requirements forI >   a "greater level" of security and on the perceived value of the data,:L >   as there are numerous subtleties to system security and as the incorrectF >   applications of various security measures can reduce the aggregateE >   security.  Further, defenses against issues of data remanence andsF >   unintended data declassification depend highly on the value of theC >   (exposure of the) data to the attacker(s) as compared with (forcG >   instance) the cost of simply "slagging" the disk spindles involved.u > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:36:23 +0100 (MET)u9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n" Subject: Deleting expired licenses; Message-ID: <01KMYEAN0SAY9QWGNO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   & > There is no such qualifier as /DATE. >   > What you are coming across is: > 	 > LICENSEd >  >   LIST >  >     /DATABASEs   I don't think so:$   $ LICE LIST /DATE.  %LIB-F-BADBLOSIZ, bad block size $ LICE LIST /DATabasez  / Press Ctrl/Z to exit, use arrow keys to scroll.5"  License Management Facility  V1.2  B  License Database File:       SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]LMF$LICENSE.LDB;1   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2002 05:37:47 GMT! From: swmoretp@aol.com (SWMORETP) ' Subject: Digital Related Stuff for Salea9 Message-ID: <20020926013747.12701.00005588@mb-fa.aol.com>p  L We have these DEC books and manuals for sale on eBay. They end on October 2.K You can do a search by the item number you are interested in or by seller: )N swmoretp@aol.com  to see the full list. The end time is US west coast time. WeM ship anywhere and ship multiple wins together by cheaper Book Rate/Media Mail  to save on shipping.- VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures Digital  - 2056597344  Oct-02 19:55:58.' Digital Unix Version 4.0 Rev. A - NEW  e 2056598149  Oct-02 19:58:29< DECwrite 2.0 by Digital - NEW  e 2056599005  Oct-02 20:01:070, DECchip 21064 Microprocessor Hardware Ref.   2056599882  Oct-02 20:03:14k, 100 Digital UNIX Software Products - 3 CDs   2056600900  Oct-02 20:05:26c% 4 Digital Technical Journals by DEC  g 2057382738  Oct-02 19:42:39 * PDP-11 Machine/Assembly Programming Book   2057383450  Oct-02 19:45:01 % DECtalk A Guide to Voice by Digital    2057383925  Oct-02 19:46:20 ' UNIX, VAX, CP/M, MVS, VM Systems Book  N 2057384368 Oct-02 19:47:43' HiNote Ultra Windows 95 CD by Digital  u 2057384699  Oct-02 19:48:53  h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:38:25 +0100n% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>   Subject: Gordon Bell on Capellas8 Message-ID: <s8l5pus5f1v6gtbk4qhfk3ocdsj8h6bb5g@4ax.com>  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/27282.htmlT  F "Capellas declared -shortly after consigning Alpha to a watery grave -? that there was no way HP could build a better chip than Intel. v  ? (You should have seen Gordon Bell's reaction to this aside, butt7 journalistic etiquette prevents us from printing it)." u     -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 08:14:15 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)f$ Subject: Re: Gordon Bell on Capellas3 Message-ID: <2QQ4Cq5zU6CL@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  ` In article <s8l5pus5f1v6gtbk4qhfk3ocdsj8h6bb5g@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:3 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/27282.htmld > H > "Capellas declared -shortly after consigning Alpha to a watery grave -A > that there was no way HP could build a better chip than Intel. o > A > (You should have seen Gordon Bell's reaction to this aside, butr9 > journalistic etiquette prevents us from printing it)."    D    HP must have felt so too, even earlier.  Why else would they have0    bet their future as Intel's partner in IA-64?   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 10:01:10 -0700" From: ewilts@ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)9 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?e= Message-ID: <995e39b6.0209260901.5c067bdd@posting.google.com>e   "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in message news:<BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A23@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>...e > Re: HBVS vs. HW RAID > * > Both have advantages and disadvantages.   E I guess it's time for me to step and discuss the realities of life...-  B In an ideal world, a single drive fails cleanly, notifies you thatB it's failed, you come in the next business day, do a hot swap, theE data cleanly copies, and users never notice the difference.  Now wake9 up and smell the roses.o  ) This year alone, I've seen the following:rF - a single drive fails and causes every drive on that shelf to fault. D In this particular case, no raidset had two drives on the shelf or ID would have lost the raidset.  2 of the raidsets picked up hot sparesB in the cabinet and rebuilt cleanly - the other 4 waited for manual% intervention and ran in reduced mode.iD - a drive in a raidset failed on a Friday night.  A hot spare kickedB in and the raidset was rebuilt.  A 2nd drive in the raidset failed@ Sunday night and when I came in Monday I had 2 dead drives and a reduced raidset.B - a raidset that was used exclusively for archive data logged softD read errors every month or two.  However, when that raidset got usedF for more active data, drives suddenly started dying.  One drive failed@ hard and a hot spare was rolled in.  While the raidset was beingD rebuilt, another drive failed.  I lost the raidset.  Fortunately, myB data was mirrored to another data center via volshad, so I lost noA data.  If I didn't shadow, I would have lost about 50GB of active D production data and would have been spinning tape.  I expect I would have been down for >12 hours.,  A I've seen bugs in the OS dealing with disk drives - shadow copiesmD going the wrong way, drives merging when they shouldn't, crash dumpsF going to never-never land, etc.  I've seen a single non-shadowed driveE fail and take out a cluster while 2-3K users were online and had somebE good chats with Engineering folks about this should not have happenedh but did.  A My drive hanging the bus situation is the 2nd time in less than 5sF years that I've seen it.  The first time, with older HSJ firmware, theE HSJ would reboot itself if it can't reset the bus, at which point the E raidset fails over to the redundant controller, it tries to reset the)D bus, can't, reboots itself, and you're screwed.  At the time (end of@ 1997) I was told that the problem was rare enough that it wasn't= worthwhile fixing, but I helped push a solution along and thenE controllers now won't ping-pong.  Good thing too or I would have losto a data center last week.  D Disk drives are evil little pieces of spinning metal just waiting toD hurt you.  Be afraid....very, very afraid.  Assume you'll experienceD double-disk failures, hung SCSI busses, and failures right after youB go home for the weekend.  The more drives you have, the bigger theD hurt, and unfortunately the bigger the probability of getting hurt. B Now tell your bosses what the risks are and mitigate against thoseE risks.  You won't all build redundant data centers, but you should befF prepared for what can happen and what the impact will be when it does.D  Document your recovery plans.  That little disk drive in the corner6 is wanting to fail as you're reading this posting :-).  C I've been managing VMS systems for 20 years and can sleep soundly. dE Paranoia is a wonderful thing to have when you're the system manager.t  	    .../Ed  mailto:ewilts@ewilts.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:45:23 -0400r5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>-W Subject: Here is the announcment for the Symposium as well as some updated information.m* Message-ID: <amuvh7$r75$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   OpenVMS Into the Futuree  I Hewlett Packard's OpenVMS Engineering organization is pleased to announce-I the first annual OpenVMS Symposium. The OpenVMS Symposium will take placeoG November 19-21 2002 at the Sheraton Tara Hotel in Nashua, NH, USA. This.H Symposium is designed for the intermediate - advanced level technologistK wishing to increase their knowledge of OpenVMS and associated technologies.c    ' Please visit the Symposium web site at:s( http://www.openvms.compaq.com/symposium/  F The OpenVMS Symposium web site will be changing on a regular basis, so please make sure to stop by.  4 We look forward to your participation at this event.  
 Warm Regards,-   Sue-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:55:19 +0100g( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>/ Subject: Re: How to eject a TK70 tape manually?5) Message-ID: <3D92AF57.B48AFCFC@127.0.0.1>+   Dennis Grevenstein wrote:@ >  > Hi,  > / > I've got a problem with two TK70 tape drives.o3 > I inserted a tape in both of them, but they don'tg > want to eject it anymore..  E I've replied here about mending / fixing TK50 drives, use google newsrA groups and search for clews and tk50. the drives are very similar/, physically / from a transport point of view.  D I have had TK70's jam when a tape had not acclimatized, and the tapeD stuck to the head. It was a matter of gently dismantling and withoutC using fingers easing the tape off the head, and everything was then@B fine, even the data could be read off the tape once I'd waited the obligatory 24 hours.  F If the cartridges have been dropped, it is entirely possible that theyE are miswinding or there are now foreign objects in the cart, and this C will also jam it. Again opening the drive up, you can with patience-F apply power and see what happens, you can feel the tension on the takeC up reel which should tell you where the fault is. It is probable tod  assume that the carts are toast.  E I have had a situation when repeated presses of the eject have slowly E rewound the tape, but it needs patience. There are also some solenoideH interlocks. If the leader has merely fallen off (theoretically the greenF OK light should not be on / pass self test IIRC) then you'll only needE to ease up the latch, the lever will lift and the cartridge will comeeH out, and you  have to dismantle the drive (probably) to resit the leaderF on the guiding arm, small fingers can do this. Another common fault is> the little forked tongue end breaking off, needs a new leader.  
 Good luck. --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 08:06:21 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: How to eject a TK70 tape manually?e3 Message-ID: <oe+IbCJ+ZtGK@eisner.encompasserve.org>w  \ In article <3D922045.DC2F5AE@pcde.inka.de>, Dennis Grevenstein <dennis@pcde.inka.de> writes: > Hi,t  : > Great. These things really suck. TK70 are the worst tape> > drives ever invented by any life form in the known universe.  ?    TK70 are much better at this than most 4mm drives.  The onlyd=    times we ever got one with a tape stuck in it was when we i?    accidentally got the label card in the drive under the tape.e  E    You (or your service contractor) have to take the drive out of the G    cabinet and perhaps partially disassemble it.  I say perhaps because C    I was able to pull a TK70 out of the front of a running VAX 3300sF    and remove the stuck tape without disconnecting anything electricalB    and therefor without shutting down and powering off the system.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:12:04 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>M$ Subject: Re: HP to increase job cuts' Message-ID: <3D9331D3.2030006@MMaz.com>n   JF Mezei wrote:e  H  >Why am I not surprised ? Oh, and by the way, Dell announced yesterday  a deal@  >with lexmark to sell/market printers. Perhaps HP's sacred cow  (printers) isn't  >so sacred anymore.  >  >  >  G Did anyone else see the latest 'Network Computing?'  The front page was F on servers, four-way Xeon MP's head to head with HP, IBM, and Dell andB Dell wiped them up and blew them away.  HP was ranked third, for aB business model where they claimed that merger synergy would occur.  A Nobody but Curly and Carly needed a crystal ball to know that the A merger was a 'bad idea.'  I have a feeling that this is just the a beginning of HP's problems...T   Barry    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:03:09 -0400o. From: Steve DiPirro <steve.dipirro@oracle.com>$ Subject: Re: HP to increase job cuts* Message-ID: <3D932FBC.366992D4@oracle.com>  Q Sometimes I think such announcements are made strictly for Wall Street's benefit.fQ Announcements of cuts gives the impression of streamlining business and attentionrO to the cost structure. If no time table was given for the additional cuts, thennS they can be spread out over a long period of time. The other possibility is that HPfN management has decided to get out of some particular business and sell it off,S resulting in a workforce reduction of roughly 1800 more people beyond what they hadpS already identified. I take all such numbers and announcements with a grain of salt.2   Steve-   Carl Perkins wrote:-  3 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes... O > }Why am I not surprised ? Oh, and by the way, Dell announced yesterday a deal Q > }with lexmark to sell/market printers. Perhaps HP's sacred cow (printers) isn't  > }so sacred anymore.d > }  > }n > }##8 > }b > }Associated Pressm > }PM > }  SAN JOSE, Calif. -- Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ) said Wednesday it will cutiP > }1,800 jobs beyond the 15,000 reductions planned as part of its acquisition of > }Compaq Computer Corp. > } G > }  In a note sent to employees Tuesday, the company blamed the latest O > }reductions on a "continued  market slowdown and H-P's clear intent to have ar, > }competitive, world-class cost structure." >fE > They can get the most amazingly competitive cost structure possiblet > if they just fire everybody. >e > Or perhaps not.s > 
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 07:42:06 -0700( From: rrb35146@yahoo.com (Robbie Benton) Subject: Memory for DS25= Message-ID: <dba64bc2.0209260642.7c538ed6@posting.google.com>S  F Has anybody priced memory for the DS25?  According to the "Alphaserver6 DS25 System Technical Summary," the DS25 uses "200-pinB industry-standard DIMMs with PECL clocks."  Well, I have tried and> tried, but I cannot find at any memory dealer web site such an industry standard device.   E So I had my reseller quote the memory from hp along with the system. hC He is indicating a price close to $3500.00 for the 1 Gbyte Kits!  I-C just bought 1 Gbyte kits for a DS20 for $500.00.   Also, PC2100 DDRoD memory (you know, industry standard) kits of this size are going forB $500.00 to $1600.00.  So what in the world is going on here?  WillF compaq^h^h^h^h^h^h hp ever produce a OpenVMS capable hardware platformC that will actaully use "industry-standard" memory so that it can ber obtained at a decent price?i  C (FYI, our requirement is for five DS25s at 4Gbytes apiece.  That iseB $70,000.00 in memory costs alone, instead of $20,000.00 should theC modules cost a more resonable $1000.00 a kit.  Not an insignificant- difference!)  	 Comments?h   Robbie   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:15:01 +0200t- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>g, Subject: Re: OpenVMS 25th anniversary survey' Message-ID: <3D92A5E3.BF2E9EB1@Free.fr>p  H Larry, I do not know how I will thank you for having given that pointer.   D.   Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  >../..  " >         http://validator.w3.org/ >  > finds 87 errors for me inf > @ >         http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25th/survey.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:34:42 +0200i- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>t, Subject: Re: OpenVMS 25th anniversary survey' Message-ID: <3D92AA80.8404C6A3@Free.fr>t   Paul Sture wrote:  >  ../..rA > Itanium questions - I haven't a clue what our senior management  > think of it.   ha ha ha   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 06:42:24 GMTl% From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase)a5 Subject: Q: Can OpenVMS be run on a Digital PWS 500a?c& Message-ID: <H319Ao.7A0@world.std.com>  H I've a Digital Personal Workstation 500a, currently with Windows NT 3.51I for Alpha on it.  I know that the 500au model of this system was designedwD to support OpenVMS; according to the faq, it /might/ boot on a 500a.  ? -> ------------------------------------------------------------0C -> ALPHA22.  OpenVMS on the Personal Workstation -a and -au series?R -> CI -> Though OpenVMS is not supported on the Personal Workstation -a series bI -> platforms, OpenVMS might or might not bootstrap on the platform.  (If rK -> you attempt this, you must ensure that all graphics and I/O controllers I+ -> in the system are supported by OpenVMS.)u  J Does anyone know for certain?  This box does have a Digital brand PCI SCSIH controller, OEM'ed from Qlogic (w/ Qlogic 1040B chipset), in addition to: whatever controllers are built into the 500a system board.   -brian.  -- rF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----H This counter is [6,177,399,753] times as pointless as a real one.  -- K.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:53:15 +0200A- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 9 Subject: Re: Q: Can OpenVMS be run on a Digital PWS 500a?o' Message-ID: <3D92AEDA.D7A8B2F6@Free.fr>0  P First thing you have to do is to replace the PCI (or whatever PC-related) CD-ROMQ drive with an SCSI one, or you will not be able to (try to) boot from the VMS CD.c   D.   Brian Chase wrote: > J > I've a Digital Personal Workstation 500a, currently with Windows NT 3.51K > for Alpha on it.  I know that the 500au model of this system was designedoF > to support OpenVMS; according to the faq, it /might/ boot on a 500a. > A > -> ------------------------------------------------------------PE > -> ALPHA22.  OpenVMS on the Personal Workstation -a and -au series?- > ->J > -> Though OpenVMS is not supported on the Personal Workstation -a seriesJ > -> platforms, OpenVMS might or might not bootstrap on the platform.  (IfL > -> you attempt this, you must ensure that all graphics and I/O controllers- > -> in the system are supported by OpenVMS.)0 > L > Does anyone know for certain?  This box does have a Digital brand PCI SCSIJ > controller, OEM'ed from Qlogic (w/ Qlogic 1040B chipset), in addition to< > whatever controllers are built into the 500a system board.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:38:45 -0500o7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>,9 Subject: Re: Q: Can OpenVMS be run on a Digital PWS 500a?@G Message-ID: <craigberry-6EC4BB.09384426092002@news.directvinternet.com>-  ' In article <3D92AEDA.D7A8B2F6@Free.fr>,r/  Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:@  L > First thing you have to do is to replace the PCI (or whatever PC-related)  > CD-ROMP > drive with an SCSI one, or you will not be able to (try to) boot from the VMS  > CD.   E Wrong.  That's only true if you have the Intel PCI bridge chip.  The iC Cypress chip allows booting from IDE CD-ROMs, at least with recent KE versions of VMS.  See sections 14.18-14.21 of the OpenVMS FAQ, which sB cover the original question in some detail.  Your SCSI controller H sounds ok, but you'll need to find out whether your graphics controller   is supported and replace if not.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:41:05 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>) Subject: Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?,) Message-ID: <3D92AC01.49DD41FA@127.0.0.1>t   Brian Chase wrote: > J > Is it possible to boot and run an OpenVMS system diskless with access toI > network shared disk?  Basically, I'm looking to have one VAX, with sometI > locally attached SCSI disk storage, act as a boot/fileserver.  Ideally,aK > I'd like to cluster several of systems together, using this one server as I > the fileserver for all of them, but I'm not sure if I can do this.  The2L > only means I have for connecting the systems together is through ethernet.  G Yes you can, however performance will not be too hot. The more physical.G memory the diskless systems have, the better, but each page and swap IO C required will happen over the network, far from ideal. It will worke because it is VMS.  G Even a small local disk to be used solely for swapping and paging wouldiE be much better, the CLUSTER_CONFIG routines can guide you though thiss process. (see documentation)  B Therefore your ideal configuration will be a system acting as bootH server, and the remaining clustered satellites with a nominal sized disk for paging and swapping.  F As to fileserving, VMS does this transparently, I hope I'm not tellingC you something you already know, however from your message it is notdH clear to me that you understand the concept. VMS can mount the same diskD on as many systems as are in the cluster, and each system that has aG disk mounted can treat it effectively as its own locally connected disko@ (subject to the usual file access conflicts, but this is handled automatically too).:  A In you scenario, if you have a single system and 'data' disk, theeB satellite systems will have to mount that disk as part of the bootG process (automatic) so any other files will also be natively accessibleeF to all members of your cluster. If you had secondary or other disks, aC MOUNT/CLUSTER (or individual MOUNT/SYSTEM) will allow this sharing.0  I > I was an end-user on a VAX/VMS system years ago, but I've never admined0I > any VMS systems.  I'm planning on getting the hobbyist CDs to have a goe > at it.  G Welcome to the realm of possibilities open to you. A real good place to<H start is with the FAQ, and the online documentation is also pretty good,E and with a little patience, askopenvms is also an excellent resource,l. all linked from http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  C (askopenvms gives you access to most (all?) of the DSNlink articleseD which were generally only available to people with DSNlink access as( part of a software maintenance contract)  F From your point of view, as a former user, it would be good to re-readF the user documentation, then have a look at the guides to setting up aE system, and cluster guidelines, then the cluster configuration manuale= and the others in the system managers' range. Its all online.r  H If you have some sleepless nights or a lot of time on your hands, you're in for a treat!m   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesh nclews at csc dot comh   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 06:05:44 GMTl% From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase)Y% Subject: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?o& Message-ID: <H317LK.MJv@world.std.com>  H Is it possible to boot and run an OpenVMS system diskless with access toG network shared disk?  Basically, I'm looking to have one VAX, with some:G locally attached SCSI disk storage, act as a boot/fileserver.  Ideally,,I I'd like to cluster several of systems together, using this one server aslG the fileserver for all of them, but I'm not sure if I can do this.  ThemJ only means I have for connecting the systems together is through ethernet.  G I was an end-user on a VAX/VMS system years ago, but I've never admineddH any VMS systems.  I'm planning on getting the hobbyist CDs to have a go  at it.   -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----H This counter is [6,177,399,753] times as pointless as a real one.  -- K.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 06:21:52 GMTu$ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU) Subject: Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless? 8 Message-ID: <00A14872.CB412C56@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  N In article <H317LK.MJv@world.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) writes:  I >Is it possible to boot and run an OpenVMS system diskless with access to"H >network shared disk?  Basically, I'm looking to have one VAX, with someH >locally attached SCSI disk storage, act as a boot/fileserver.  Ideally,J >I'd like to cluster several of systems together, using this one server asH >the fileserver for all of them, but I'm not sure if I can do this.  TheK >only means I have for connecting the systems together is through ethernet.e >hH >I was an end-user on a VAX/VMS system years ago, but I've never adminedI >any VMS systems.  I'm planning on getting the hobbyist CDs to have a go c >at it.r  J You can do a local area VAXcluster connected by Ethernet.  This would meanI that you'd have a boot node that owned the system disk (which is designedoL for this - SYS$COMMON and SYS$SPECIFIC trees mean that the shared bits don'tO have to appear multiple places on the disk) and MOP-booted the satellite nodes, 5 which sounds pretty much like what you're asking for.D  I However, it's a really good idea to have some local disk on the satelliteiH nodes for paging and swapping, because performance tends to suck if you I page and swap across 10megabit Ethernet, especially if you have a lot of  9 satellites paging to the same disk across the Ethernet.  p  K However, if you're willing to take the performance hit, or if you know for lJ sure you're not going to be paging or swapping, it's perfectly legal to go  diskless on the satellite nodes.   -- Alano   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:16:51 -0400x- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a) Subject: Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?i, Message-ID: <3D92B447.45124FD3@videotron.ca>   Brian Chase wrote: > J > Is it possible to boot and run an OpenVMS system diskless with access to > network shared disk? S  I Yes, that is part of the VMS clustering capabilities. However, a diskless M system will need a page file on the remote system and its performance will ben! impacted by the slower page file."  J You use @SYS$MANAGER:CLUSTER_CONFIG on the "boot node vax to add each nodeM that will be served (satellite). You'll need the ethernet address of each vaxn that will act as a satellite.i  4 Then, you just boot the vax off the ethernet device.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 08:11:27 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n) Subject: Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?n3 Message-ID: <mCDk1GA$iT5A@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  N In article <H317LK.MJv@world.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) writes:J > Is it possible to boot and run an OpenVMS system diskless with access to > network shared disk?  E    In a cluster you can have diskless nodes, typically referred to asm    satellites.  K    Usually your much better off in performance if you have a small disk to lG    hold a local pagefile, and possibly a swapfile.  NO software need bev    resident.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:17:13 +0100 (MET)i9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>w) Subject: Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?-; Message-ID: <01KMYLX9QL2Y9QWI2N@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>y  D > In a cluster you can have diskless nodes, typically referred to as
 > satellites.C > J > Usually your much better off in performance if you have a small disk to F > hold a local pagefile, and possibly a swapfile.  NO software need be > resident.i  I Just to make it clear, by definition a satellite is a node which doesn't bI boot off of a "local" disk.  A satellite can have a local swap/page disk xG (good idea) or, indeed, other "data" disks, and can even serve them to a the cluster.  H Do most people live with satellites being dependent on one boot server, I or do folks allow more than one boot server per satellite (with the side bF effect that there is more than one SYS$SPECIFIC for such a satellite)?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:13:18 +0200a@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>) Subject: Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?-+ Message-ID: <3D94758E.5020208@mail.tele.dk>4   Brian Chase wrote:  J > Is it possible to boot and run an OpenVMS system diskless with access toI > network shared disk?  Basically, I'm looking to have one VAX, with sometI > locally attached SCSI disk storage, act as a boot/fileserver.  Ideally,aK > I'd like to cluster several of systems together, using this one server aslI > the fileserver for all of them, but I'm not sure if I can do this.  ThebL > only means I have for connecting the systems together is through ethernet.  & Yes - you can run diskless VMS system.   But performance will be poor.c   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:37:25 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) ) Subject: Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?u& Message-ID: <H31y2E.57A@world.std.com>  8 In article <00A14872.CB412C56@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,(  <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote:  L > You can do a local area VAXcluster connected by Ethernet.  This would meanK > that you'd have a boot node that owned the system disk (which is designedNN > for this - SYS$COMMON and SYS$SPECIFIC trees mean that the shared bits don'tQ > have to appear multiple places on the disk) and MOP-booted the satellite nodes,t7 > which sounds pretty much like what you're asking for.a   Yes, excellent.   K > However, it's a really good idea to have some local disk on the satelliterJ > nodes for paging and swapping, because performance tends to suck if you K > page and swap across 10megabit Ethernet, especially if you have a lot of s; > satellites paging to the same disk across the Ethernet.    > M > However, if you're willing to take the performance hit, or if you know for PL > sure you're not going to be paging or swapping, it's perfectly legal to go" > diskless on the satellite nodes.  G I don't think paging will be an issue for me, at least not initially.   E The main satellite I'm concerned with is a VAX 6000.  I'll have aboutYC 512MB of RAM in it, but it lacks disks and a disk controller at thehI moment.  Nor do I have the means to make use of the CI controller; I lack : a coupler and another /small/ CI capable system with disk.   Now... to get the Hobbyist CD.   -brian.t --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----H This counter is [6,177,399,753] times as pointless as a real one.  -- K.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 09:31:50 -07000 From: andrew.g.scott@ntlworld.com (Andrew Scott)% Subject: Runnming Java program in VMSd= Message-ID: <ac8de108.0209260831.692a730d@posting.google.com>   @ I can't get a Java program (first one under VMS) to run. The DCL script is this:a   $ DEFINE JAVA$USE_DCL 10 $ @SYS$MANAGER:JAVA$SETUPM $ !javac "helloworld.java"H $ exe1 = "java -Dmapi.config=MOSSUSERS_DEV01:[USERS.ASCOTT.JAVA]mapi.cfg "5T $ exe2 = "-Dcal.napoli.configfile=MOSSUSERS_DEV01:[USERS.ASCOTT.JAVA]glossnapoli.cfg	 mossti 1"  $ exe3 = "''exe1' ''exe2'" $ exe3  C I as told to use the first 2 lines when compiling so I've used them,F for running. I've brought the mossti.class file from my PC by the way.  $ I get this error, with "set verify":  H $ exe1 = "java -Dmapi.config=MOSSUSERS_DEV01:[USERS.ASCOTT.JAVA]mapi.cfg "mT $ exe2 = "-Dcal.napoli.configfile=MOSSUSERS_DEV01:[USERS.ASCOTT.JAVA]glossnapoli.cfg	 mossti 1"lH $ exe3 = "java -Dmapi.config=MOSSUSERS_DEV01:[USERS.ASCOTT.JAVA]mapi.cfg;  -Dcal.napoli.configfile=MOSSUSERS_DEV01:[USERS.ASCOTT.JAVAm ]glossnapoli.cfg mossti 1" $ exe3@ %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer
 parameters    E Any ideas?? Couold someone perhaps post a script/sequence of commands8 that they use?     Thanks Andrew Scott   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:59:05 +0000 (UTC) - From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)x) Subject: Re: Runnming Java program in VMS.. Message-ID: <amvht9$abr$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   andrew.g.scott@ntlworld.com (Andrew Scott) writes in article <ac8de108.0209260831.692a730d@posting.google.com> dated 26 Sep 2002 09:31:50 -0700:A >I can't get a Java program (first one under VMS) to run. The DCLa >script is this: >M >$ DEFINE JAVA$USE_DCL 1 >$ @SYS$MANAGER:JAVA$SETUP >$ !javac "helloworld.java" I >$ exe1 = "java -Dmapi.config=MOSSUSERS_DEV01:[USERS.ASCOTT.JAVA]mapi.cfg  >"U >$ exe2 = "-Dcal.napoli.configfile=MOSSUSERS_DEV01:[USERS.ASCOTT.JAVA]glossnapoli.cfgc
 >mossti 1" >$ exe3 = "''exe1' ''exe2'"e >$ exe3l  L It looks like you're using Unix-style syntax in the java command, but you're@ telling JAVA$SETUP to use the DCL-style syntax.  Try deassigning? JAVA$USE_DCL, and commenting it out of the command procedure.  e  ' You will also have to make this change:f  L $ exe1 = "''java' -Dmapi.config=MOSSUSERS_DEV01:[USERS.ASCOTT.JAVA]mapi.cfg"  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:47:21 -0400-5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> F Subject: Some of the questions I have recevied regarding the symposium* Message-ID: <amuvkt$rbj$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  K Please keep in mind that this symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Technical BootM# camp is not for the faint of heart.c   Some questions I have received.-  * Q: How many attendees are you looking for?  ) A: Registration is limited to 150 people.u  - Q: Will you be providing language translatione  9 A: No we will not be providing translation for this eventc  4 Q: Does everyone have to pay? (I get this one a lot)   A: Yes everyone has to pay  B Q: How often will you be having this Advanced Technical Boot camp?  ( A: Once a year, most likely in the fall.  L Q: Are there any plans to do this in Europe, South America, Asia, Australia, (you pick the location)g  G A: No there are no plans to do this event in other locations. The eventF7 takes place in Nashua, NH because that is where OpenVMS   L Engineering resides. Because of the proximity of the HP facility we are able7 to offer a large number of different technical sessions.  C that we could not do remotely because the engineers are right here.e  @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:amuvh7$r75$1@web1.cup.hp.com... >) >w > OpenVMS Into the Futuref > K > Hewlett Packard's OpenVMS Engineering organization is pleased to announce K > the first annual OpenVMS Symposium. The OpenVMS Symposium will take place I > November 19-21 2002 at the Sheraton Tara Hotel in Nashua, NH, USA. ThisaJ > Symposium is designed for the intermediate - advanced level technologist? > wishing to increase their knowledge of OpenVMS and associated6
 technologies.r >r >r) > Please visit the Symposium web site at: * > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/symposium/ >0H > The OpenVMS Symposium web site will be changing on a regular basis, so > please make sure to stop by. >A6 > We look forward to your participation at this event. >E > Warm Regards,V >e > Suei >  >  >7   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 08:58:00 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)9J Subject: Re: Some of the questions I have recevied regarding the symposium3 Message-ID: <YrVsIYrxlBk4@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  b In article <amuvkt$rbj$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:  M > Please keep in mind that this symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot % > camp is not for the faint of heart.s > ! > Some questions I have received.t  6 > Q: Does everyone have to pay? (I get this one a lot) >  > A: Yes everyone has to pay  - Well, in some cases their boss has to pay :-)e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:29:29 GMT-+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com>5% Subject: Re: Tomcat and CSWS (Apache) 2 Message-ID: <dREk9.20$oi5.355398@news.cpqcorp.net>  I OS.H is located in APACHE$COMMON:[SRC.OS.OPENVMS], so the compile command54 needs to include this directory on the command line:   $ ccK mod_jserv/incl=(APACHE$COMMON:[SRC.INCLUDE],APACHE$COMMON:[SRC.OS.OPENVMS])C  + (Did you mean mod_jk in the above command?)a  
 Rick Barry Compaq Secure Web Server Team  OpenVMS System Software Groupa Hewlett-Packard Companyo
 Nashua, NH  8 "Marty Kuhrt" <kuhrt@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:jHLzTRwNhDGj@eisner.encompasserve.org... G > In article <amspho$7c1$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@spyder.mitre.orgb (Keith A. Lewis) writes:K > > Has anybody run Tomcat with CSWS on OpenVMS/Alpha?  I am having trouble0K > > getting mod_jk to compile.  I think I could do it with the CSWS source.n > >'3 > > $ cc mod_jserv/incl=APACHE$COMMON:[SRC.INCLUDE]9 > >0 > > #include "os.h"c > > ^ D > > %CC-F-NOINCLFILEF, Cannot find file "os.h" specified in #include
 directive.G > > at line number 114 in file APACHE$COMMON:[SRC.INCLUDE]AP_CONFIG.H;1D > > 6 > > I'm using Compaq C V6.4-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3. > >mL > > Tomcat is an allegedly open source web server (although I have found theB > > Java sources are incomplete) that does JSP among other things. > >t/ > > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgeB > > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer. >sD > I have the precompiled version working just fine.  I haven't tried! > to compile it, though, so YMMV.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:38:12 GMT $ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU" Subject: Re: UCX security advisory8 Message-ID: <00A14864.4FF84718@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  \ In article <3D928FF7.4DCDFC02@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:   >"Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth" wrote:W >> getting at it. So far I haven't seen any ill effects and the published vulnerabilityg^ >> doesn't work from a non-privileged account. Good enough for me until I get things upgraded. > N >Correction: it works from non-privileged accounts.  Look at the UAF specs forK >TCPIP$POP account. And I tried at at home from a different account and was L >able to create a file in a directory that I shouldn't have been able to do.  J Clarification: Mark is saying that _with the ACL he put on the image_ the @ vulnerability _no longer_ works from a non-privileged account.     -- Alana   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:07:25 -0400d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t" Subject: Re: UCX security advisory+ Message-ID: <3D9295F9.8E19783@videotron.ca>   % winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote:rK > Clarification: Mark is saying that _with the ACL he put on the image_ ther@ > vulnerability _no longer_ works from a non-privileged account.   Fair enough.L By the way, I looked at the ftp.service.digital.com and there doesn't appear to be a patch for VAX yet.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:12:05 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> " Subject: Re: UCX security advisory, Message-ID: <3D92B329.8FEACEA2@videotron.ca>   "Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth" wrote: [ > >> haven't worked out why ucx$pop_startup requires SETPRV, SYSPRV, BYPASS, DETACH, CMKRNLn? > >> and OPER either although I can see a need for some of 'em.   K It probably would need SYSNAM to write to system logical name table ans itss own TCPIP$STARTUP_TABLE. t  , CMKRNL needed to Install the various images.  H I am not sure it even neede DETACH since that procedure doesn't actuallyK RUN/DETACHED to start the server and instead lets the TCPIP software do it.a  0 What privs are needed for TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE ?  H Sounds to me like incomplete work. May have added "SETPRV" and BYPASS toN forget about security during development and then they forgot to trim the list back to only what is necessary.   I > >Shouldn't POP be able to run with just SYSPRV and OPEN ? I'd feel moreo > >comfortable without BYPASS. > R > So would I. IME BYPASS is just an abreviation for "shot myself in the foot"..:-)  C An auditor would want justification for each and every one of those 9 privileges, especially for any internet related software.n    J I Marcello pays my airfare, I volunteer to travel down to Australia's GoldK Coast and monitor the beaches to ensure the TCPIP engineers don't spend too. much time on the beach :-)  M There seems to still be lots of work left to be done on that software to make  it truly "VMS-rated"   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 03:47:41 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)i" Subject: Re: UCX security advisory= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0209260247.427faebc@posting.google.com>k  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D92B329.8FEACEA2@videotron.ca>...h > "Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth" wrote:c] > > >> haven't worked out why ucx$pop_startup requires SETPRV, SYSPRV, BYPASS, DETACH, CMKRNLgA > > >> and OPER either although I can see a need for some of 'em.i > M > It probably would need SYSNAM to write to system logical name table ans itst > own TCPIP$STARTUP_TABLE. t > . > CMKRNL needed to Install the various images. > J > I am not sure it even neede DETACH since that procedure doesn't actuallyM > RUN/DETACHED to start the server and instead lets the TCPIP software do it.r > 2 > What privs are needed for TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE ? > J > Sounds to me like incomplete work. May have added "SETPRV" and BYPASS toP > forget about security during development and then they forgot to trim the list! > back to only what is necessary.@ > K > > >Shouldn't POP be able to run with just SYSPRV and OPEN ? I'd feel morea  > > >comfortable without BYPASS. > > T > > So would I. IME BYPASS is just an abreviation for "shot myself in the foot"..:-) > E > An auditor would want justification for each and every one of those ; > privileges, especially for any internet related software.a >  > L > I Marcello pays my airfare, I volunteer to travel down to Australia's GoldM > Coast and monitor the beaches to ensure the TCPIP engineers don't spend too  > much time on the beach :-) > O > There seems to still be lots of work left to be done on that software to makeo > it truly "VMS-rated"     Anyone ever did:  & $ SEARCH SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP*.COM BYPASS  < You will be surprised at the number of matches that you get!  H Setting both SETPRV and BYPASS is redundant, if not completely ignorant.   Regards,  	 Bart Zornt   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:58:03 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r" Subject: Re: UCX security advisory; Message-ID: <01KMYH41GRFI9QWI2N@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a  ( > $ SEARCH SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP*.COM BYPASS > > > You will be surprised at the number of matches that you get!   Many.t  J > Setting both SETPRV and BYPASS is redundant, if not completely ignorant.  F Searching for SETPRV (not F$SETPRV) only turns up a couple of matches.  H I don't follow your criticism, though.  Sure, with SETPRV I can set the G process privs to include BYPASS, but that's an extra step whereas with h' BYPASS I have (just) bypass right away.n   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:10:41 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) " Subject: Re: UCX security advisory+ Message-ID: <amv10h$fa3$4@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>h  t In article <slrnap4vtq.1ml.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>, forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth) writes:Z >On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:03:51 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> gushed forth: >pW >I still haven't worked out why it needs to be installed with BYPASS and SYSPRV. I alsoeX >haven't worked out why ucx$pop_startup requires SETPRV, SYSPRV, BYPASS, DETACH, CMKRNL ; >and OPER either although I can see a need for some of 'em.g >o >w  + SYSPRV presumably for access to the SYSUAF.nH BYPASS presumably so that it can delete messages out of a user's mailbox after downloading them.t  
 David Webb VMS and unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:43:07 +1000 9 From: forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth)w" Subject: Re: UCX security advisory8 Message-ID: <slrnap63n8.1ml.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>  ] On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:10:41 +0000 (UTC), David Webb <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> gushed forth: u >In article <slrnap4vtq.1ml.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>, forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth) writes: [ >>On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:03:51 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> gushed forth:  >>X >>I still haven't worked out why it needs to be installed with BYPASS and SYSPRV. I alsoY >>haven't worked out why ucx$pop_startup requires SETPRV, SYSPRV, BYPASS, DETACH, CMKRNL e< >>and OPER either although I can see a need for some of 'em. >> >> >M, >SYSPRV presumably for access to the SYSUAF.I >BYPASS presumably so that it can delete messages out of a user's mailboxt >after downloading them.  W Yes, I can see that but that still leaves the privs checked for by ucx$pop_startup.com. P They are unused ( apart from sysprv, bypass and cmkrnl ) by the procedure unless` sys$manager:ucx$pop_systartup.com requires them but I've not got that procedure so I don't know.     -- s     Oorooo	 Mark F...>  $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/e   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 07:19:09 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)m" Subject: Re: UCX security advisory= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0209260619.17d1d4e8@posting.google.com>   | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KMYH41GRFI9QWI2N@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...* > > $ SEARCH SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP*.COM BYPASS > > @ > > You will be surprised at the number of matches that you get! >  > Many.p > L > > Setting both SETPRV and BYPASS is redundant, if not completely ignorant. > H > Searching for SETPRV (not F$SETPRV) only turns up a couple of matches. > J > I don't follow your criticism, though.  Sure, with SETPRV I can set the I > process privs to include BYPASS, but that's an extra step whereas with p) > BYPASS I have (just) bypass right away.   D Actually, my main criticism is the same as someone else already saidC in this thread. TCP/IP engineering does not care about security and D they do not take the time to figure out which privileges they reallyD need. I cannot imagine that they really NEED BYPASS. It's just a way$ to avoid those pesky error messages.  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:42:52 +0000 (UTC)r+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)s" Subject: Re: UCX security advisory+ Message-ID: <amv9ts$iu8$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>u  e In article <a98cd882.0209260619.17d1d4e8@posting.google.com>, Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes:-} >Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KMYH41GRFI9QWI2N@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...D >dE >Actually, my main criticism is the same as someone else already saidmD >in this thread. TCP/IP engineering does not care about security andE >they do not take the time to figure out which privileges they really E >need. I cannot imagine that they really NEED BYPASS. It's just a wayy% >to avoid those pesky error messages.d > 
 >Bart Zorn  L In this instance BYPASS probably is needed. The POP server needs not only toJ read the messages in the user's inbox (new mail folder) but also to deleteN them when they are downloaded to the POP client. These messages will either beK directly in the user's MAIL.MAI file if they are really small or will existnI as separate MAIL$????????????????.MAI files (with a pointer in mail.mai).e  I Hence to function as a pop server it needs enough privilege to be able tomL delete files (the MAIL$????????????????.MAI files) owned by any user on the G system. The usual protection on these files is (RW,RW,,) on my systems.s  M They might be able to fudge it just using SYSPRV which would give them accessaK via the system part of the protection code and which will also I think give-M control access. Hence if the system part of the protection code doesn't allowMB access they could change the file's protection and then delete it.  K However in this instance I don't really see much difference between a buggywD program with SYSPRV and one with BYPASS as to the security problems.  J The problem isn't with the privileges themselves it is with the fact that L what looks like some elementary checking ( a -logfile qualifier ??? ) wasn'tM carried out. Missing a buffer overflow hidden deep in the code is unfortunate04 but understandable missing this sort of thing isn't.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:28:09 -0600 (MDT)e" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com>" Subject: Re: UCX security advisoryF Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0209261021430.3649-100000@athena.csdco.com>  # Just to state the (I hope) obvious.e  G If the image is not installed, ie. when one is not using the TCP/IP POP1G server as is the case when PMDF is in use, this does not appear to be an problem.  G There is only a risk when TCPIP$POP_SERVER.EXE is installed with privs.m  
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:36:49 +0100>4 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: VMS 7.3 DCL / MXV4 Message-ID: <amuked$2k1$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  > I don't think this is an MX problem - more likely VMS 7.3 DCL.  ( $ mail msg.txt/subj="Test" mx%agent-1388. $ mail msg.txt/subj="Test" mx%"fred@there.com"* $ mail msg.txt/subj="Test" mx%"agent-1388"  > all used to work (I believe - not 100% sure of the first one).0 AGENT-1388 is an alias in our MX alias database.  7 Now the only thing that works is "mx%""agent-1388""" orf "mx%""fred@there.com"""03 (the mx% is redundant with fred@there.com, I know).b  F From the mail> prompt, nothing's changed: mx%"agent-1388" still works.G Can anyone confirm this is a VMS 7.3 DCL thing ? Perhaps related to the3 parsing changes ?iG Is there a fix, or am I going to have to alter every DCL mail command ?h   Thanks, Chris Sharman0   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:35:26 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)eC Message-ID: <i8wk9.292368$AR1.12750881@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>i  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageME news:rdeininger-2509022155420001@1cust235.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...t   ...0  G > The EV7s will start at 2P and go up to ???.  But there seems to be noaF > attempt to optimize for small systems.  Maybe EV7 will be marginallyL > faster than EV68 for 2-4P systems, but it might cost 2 or 3 times as much.  K But its *system* won't necessarily cost any more at all, because of all theiJ chips surrounding an EV6 that aren't required with EV7.  As I've mentioned? more than once before already (and IIRC Rob mentioned as well).g   ...b  I > >        For instance, a 4 CPU EV7 has worst case memory latency of 140l ns.pH > >        Total memory bandwidth ... it should be 25.6 GBytes/sec peak. > L > I don't have the EV7 numbers at my fingertips, but the 140 ns sounds about > right. > K > ES45 has 8 GB/sec memory bandwidth, according to the product web page.  IrG > don't see a number for the latency.  I expect it is about the same as-* > EV7's "near" memory.  But at lower cost.  L I don't know what you mean by EV7's 'near' memory.  EV7 latency to its localD memory is said (in Bannon's MPF presentation) to be 75 ns.  The onlyJ official number I've seen for ES45 memory latency is 120 ns, and it wasn'tK clear that that included on-chip latency as well as off-chip memory latencynL (if not, the overall ES45 latency would be about 150 ns, which is about what1 Paul DeMone estimated it to be when last I knew).(   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:20:44 -0400P- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)M+ Message-ID: <3D92B530.1F700CC@videotron.ca>A   John Smith wrote: I > Even so, a shipload more Sparcbooks were sold than Alphabooks, and thatuH > reflects on the marketing efforts of Sun and Digital for each of their > premier operating systems.  M TV reports showed the auction of various Enron office items. One of them thatn2 was shown was a laptop with a big SUN label on it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 06:41:50 GMTr# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>d9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)hI Message-ID: <O_xk9.118205$U_.104590@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>t  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:TK0XZVfyNMP+@eisner.encompasserve.org...tJ > In article <o3kk9.47806$q41.40757@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,% "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:m > >IJ > > Which probably means that the relative sales numbers of Sparcbooks vs.K > > Tadpole/VMS systems was really a reflection of the underlying marketings? > > policies of SunOS/Solaris and VMS by Sun and Digital/Compaqr
 respectively.oK > > The market simply voted with their wallets based on their perception ofs thel" > > future of each of those os'es. > >a? > > Tadpole certainly didn't build either machine substantially  lesser/greater0 > > in quality from a manufacturing perspective. >rF >    Tadpole built non-Intel laptops for people who really had to haveG >    a non-Intel processor in a laptop.  Then they sold them at a pricea/ >    meant for people who really had to have...a     True enough.  G Even so, a shipload more Sparcbooks were sold than Alphabooks, and thatiF reflects on the marketing efforts of Sun and Digital for each of theirI premier operating systems. Only by that time, Digtial's premier operatings system seemed to be NT. :-(    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:50:54 +0100a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>u9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these) 8 Message-ID: <8qe5pu8no9f28prk1m6gs45durjctftgg5@4ax.com>  3 On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:41:45 GMT, "Fred Kleinsorge"t$ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:     >aH >It never was on any plans ever for VMS.  Nor aside from a few engineersE >suggesting it, do I recall anyone in management or the business sidea >requesting it.   E And the above paragraph illustrates the problem perfectly. Management F were perfectly happy to think about low cost Windows/X systems but not low cost VMS systems.   M >The fact that it was a full machine under the covers made it possible to put,L >VMS and UNIX on it, but it was not really even considered until the product3 >itself "failed" and they were dumping the systems.k  = Again the above paragraph, to me, is indicative of managementc? incompetence. Why was it 'not even considered until the producty? "failed"'? Could it be because they were "betting the future ofa4 Digital on Alpha/NT" as the salesdroid put it to me?   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:53:16 +0100a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)e8 Message-ID: <35f5pu0d0tp93679ro2h892cnh3mu1fm7u@4ax.com>  , On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:21:12 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:f   >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:dK >> BECAUSE THEY WERE THE TERMINALS GROUP!  They were building an appliance. M >> They were ahead of their time.  The appliance needed more things than they A >> really wanted.  They were not building a low cost workstation.  >k >sO >I don't care which group it was. It was still Digital. And someone high enoughpK >should have had the vision to call up the terminal group and tell them "ifoM >you're going to be putting a hard drive and running a real OS on it, why notbM >make your device available to the VMS group as well so that they can sell iti >TOO ?"   @ After all they were presumably getting plenty of enquiries aboutA running VMS on it. As I've said, we certainly did and I know manyg others who did so as well.   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 08:41:57 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)s3 Message-ID: <BZiIPoS3eP7X@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  ` In article <8qe5pu8no9f28prk1m6gs45durjctftgg5@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:5 > On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:41:45 GMT, "Fred Kleinsorge"m& > <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote: >  >  >>I >>It never was on any plans ever for VMS.  Nor aside from a few engineersRF >>suggesting it, do I recall anyone in management or the business side >>requesting it. > G > And the above paragraph illustrates the problem perfectly. Management H > were perfectly happy to think about low cost Windows/X systems but not > low cost VMS systems.   B Fred has testified that management was not thinking about low cost> Windows systems -- that just happened to be the implementation! methodology for their X-terminal.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:13:26 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>o9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)V2 Message-ID: <WJDk9.13$Xd5.274502@news.cpqcorp.net>  K Alan Greig wrote in message <8qe5pu8no9f28prk1m6gs45durjctftgg5@4ax.com>...t4 >On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:41:45 GMT, "Fred Kleinsorge"% ><kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:s >e >  >>I >>It never was on any plans ever for VMS.  Nor aside from a few engineersaF >>suggesting it, do I recall anyone in management or the business side >>requesting it. >pF >And the above paragraph illustrates the problem perfectly. ManagementG >were perfectly happy to think about low cost Windows/X systems but notp >low cost VMS systems. >nJ >>The fact that it was a full machine under the covers made it possible to putvE >>VMS and UNIX on it, but it was not really even considered until thep producte4 >>itself "failed" and they were dumping the systems. >o> >Again the above paragraph, to me, is indicative of management@ >incompetence. Why was it 'not even considered until the product@ >"failed"'? Could it be because they were "betting the future of5 >Digital on Alpha/NT" as the salesdroid put it to me?o >a  F You just don't get it.  They were building a "terminal".  They weren't building a system platform.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:09:25 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>S9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)o8 Message-ID: <1456pu8nu08v4s0o6oc1il3g0rieqd411l@4ax.com>  3 On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:13:26 GMT, "Fred Kleinsorge"h$ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:   >RG >You just don't get it.  They were building a "terminal".  They weren'te >building a system platform.  F And just to waste even more money they built the same "terminal" using Intel chips as well.  C If it just happened to turn out to be usable as a O/S platform whenpE was that discovered? After it was designed and built? I hate to thinku5 of the project design goals and controls on that one.m -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:48:21 -0400w; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>a9 Subject: RE: VMS future (oh not not another one of these) K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEB08@rlghncst964.usps.gov>e  2 Arguing for the usability of the Multia on VMS is  downright silly.  - That box dates back to the brief period when   "thin clients" were trendy.f  4 VMS on Multia reminds me about Samuel Johnson's quip4 about women's preaching being like a dog walking on  its hind legs:    7 "It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it j
 done at all."n  ; Absolutely no offense intended to the engineer who did the d proof-of-concept code. Fred?  5 The amount of memory you could put in 'em was limitedt< to 128MB, they would only take an teeny internal disk drive,7 You had to have a multisync monitor or you couldn't do g= GUI (none of the video modes were VGA or SVGA) and they were t. almost as slow as a VS4000 running DECwindows.   And don't forget "heat death".  > In one of my forays into what I would call sporadic technical = masochism, I got a Multia, did the necessary kludgery to get v? VMS running on it, and even did the fan upgrade so it wouldn't l commit "thermal seppuku".e  > Then I got one of the barebones 433a systems from Dave Turner ? at Island Computer and sold the Multia to someone else who was S in the Hobbyist program.  0 (Thanks again, Dave.  Good machine, fair price.)   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----< From: "Fred Kleinsorge" [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com], Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:41 AM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" 9 Subject: RE: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)d     Alan Greig wrote in message ...aA >In article <vDjk9.11$Tn4.347236@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred says...e >>J >>You are mixing two different things.  The concept of a fuseable link wasJ >>chip related, and designed to lock out UNIX and VMS from NT systems.  It wase
 >>never done.  >e; >Never the less we were told it would be done on the Multiah >   G It never was on any plans ever for VMS.  Nor aside from a few engineers.D suggesting it, do I recall anyone in management or the business side requesting it.   >>D >>The Multia was *never* designed to be ANYTHING but what it was - a	 Windows/XlH >>terminal.  Because it was ahead of it's time, it ended up being 98% of what >gJ >When we asked to buy 30 with VMS it was suggested we buy 30 with Alpha/NTJ >instead. That's Alpha/NT installed locally. How can you call that "just aG >Windows/X terminal" - well views on NT just being a glorified terminalu	 aside! Ifo1 >it could be sold with an NT OS then why not VMS?e >   K History.  They wanted an appliance, but at the time there was no Windows CE K like thing available.  They ended up having to put a full NT implementationd on it since it was Alpha.   , >We didn't buy any with Alpha/NT in the end. >tK >>a cheap workstation would contain.  The desktop group *never* intended itl toL >>be a general purpose machine.  Whoever suggested that it might run VMS wasI >>engaging in wishful thinking.  The fact VMS ran on it at all was a sidesD >>effect of the system being based on something close to what we did support,3 >>and an engineer who made it work on his own time.o >nJ >I know that's how the midnight engineering work was done but that doesn't meanK >that the same work couldn't have been done formally had someone authoriseds it.oL >It was fully qualified to run Alpha/NT so why not VMS? That was a political
 >decision. >h  K See above.  NT was used because that's what they had, and they wanted it ash a Windows appliance.   >>D >>>>terminals group.  The fact that we hacked something together for	 hobbyist,IK >>>>doesn't mean it would have succeeded as a real product... even though I  >>andr >>>>others did advocate for it.t >>>w( >>>But by no accident you were outvoted. >>>7 >>L >>It was a day late and a dollar short.  There was no structure setup to getL >>this system sold as something other than what it was, and it competed withJ >>the workstation group.  By the time we were trying to do something, they; >>were being dumped on the market cheap to get rid of them.p >rG >Just a pity they hadn't been sold with VMS from the start. Maybe thereV wouldCI >have been no need to dump them cheaply later. Yes, I know about the heataI >reliability problems but that could easily have been solved. Many peopleD have; >been running them reliably as hobby systems for years now.i >g  I I keep trying to tell you.  This product was built by the TERMINALS grouptK (they renamed themselves to the Desktop Systems Group).  It wasn't built bysL a group that normally sold *system platforms*.  They sold VT400's.  So thereG were no UNIX or VMS plans.  NT ran on it because that is what they weregK using for their core OS to build their appliance.  NT required a local diskoK and all the giblets that go into a workstation.  It was supposed to be sold." like an X Terminal.  An appliance.  L The fact that it was a full machine under the covers made it possible to putK VMS and UNIX on it, but it was not really even considered until the producte2 itself "failed" and they were dumping the systems.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:40:06 +0100-' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy29 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)o, Message-ID: <3D932A56.30207@nospamn.sun.com>   David Webb wrote:e^ > In article <3D8F5B46.4E9D43F9@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >  >>"John N." wrote: >>L >>>To answer your question, I see VMS as constantly improving, and I see theK >>>release of VMS that will be running on the Itanium processor as being "2 K >>>years ahead" of where VMS is today.  My only question is whether ItaniumlO >>>itself will be two years ahead of where Alpha is today.  Or even if Itanium,f< >>>in two years from now, will even be where Alpha is today. >>I >>Sun was able to rule the Unix world with a chip that wasn't the world'seO >>fastest.  And the wintel world was able to make huge gains and get a foothold'< >>in the enterprise computing with the 8086 game controller. >> > K > Sun's chip isn't the fastest now but in the past it was a reasonable chipaO > with very good price/performance. Sun is living on the legacy of applications:K > which were ported at that time and the reputation it garnered then as the K > leading Unix. In many ways this is similar to the latter days of DEC with-L > respect to VAX/VMS. (Although some application developers have moved theirM > focus from Solaris to Microsoft operating systems or Linux this is still ine > the relatively early stages).e >   7 Slight correction, in the PRESENT its a reasonable chip 7 with good price performance. Check a benchmark that has 9 a price/performance measure if you don't agree with this.v  6 In some cases the Sun Oxen are faster and also cheaper. at pulling the plough than the Intel chickens.  < Sun also isn't living on a legacy of apps ported in the past< its also a key platform for development currently. Excluding7 Win32 and Java which isn't an OS Solaris is the largestn4 platform for the development of commercial software.  5 Sun's recent SunWorld conference in the US had 2x thel6 attendees when compared with IBM's equivalent session.  : The programme I am working on has 70 key core applications8 about 70% of those are developed on Sun and Sun is their; largest deployment platform. 3 core apps were not availablei7 for Solaris at the start of the programme 12 months agor5 they are now the looser in 2 of the cases being HP-UXe the 3rd being Microsoft.  5 The similarity between Sun and Digital stops at focush3 Sun has demonstrated itself to be much nimbler thann5 Digital ever was and much more capable of adapting to$ changing market conditions.    regardsM Andrew Harrisonf   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:08:26 GMTa5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>n9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)e2 Message-ID: <eaHk9.31$8c5.243847@news.cpqcorp.net>   >> Robert Deininger wrote: >>K >> Isn't there some page size restriction that makes systems less the 2gigsf RAMV >> almost impossible on EV7 ?s >   H I don't think so.  EV8 would have only supported 64kb pages, which wouldL have increased the minimum memory, and I think we were talking at that point of a 2G minimum.  L I used to be in the camp that didn't like that, but have been convinced thatK memory is cheap enough that I shouldn't care.  I would have preferred Alpha-I to have had a 2k or 4k page size in addition to the 8k and up page sizes..B It would have allowed smaller, cheaper systems - especially in the
 beginning.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:39:01 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)k. Message-ID: <3D933825.CC3D4695@mindspring.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Robert Deininger wrote: I > > The EV7s will start at 2P and go up to ???.  But there seems to be novH > > attempt to optimize for small systems.  Maybe EV7 will be marginallyN > > faster than EV68 for 2-4P systems, but it might cost 2 or 3 times as much. >eN > Isn't there some page size restriction that makes systems less the 2gigs RAM > almost impossible on EV7 ?  . I have no idea if that is true or not, but I'd( definitely relegate it to the "so what?"	 category.S  ) Nowadays, I wouldn't buy a Macintosh withi* less than 1Gig in it, so 2Gigs for an EV7-( class machine doesn't seem unreasonable,+ at least if it's industry-standard (and not  DEC-priced) memory.i   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:05:11 GMTm5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these) 2 Message-ID: <b7Hk9.30$Gm5.468073@news.cpqcorp.net>  0 Webb, William W Raleigh, NC wrote in message ...2 >Arguing for the usability of the Multia on VMS is >downright silly.w > - >That box dates back to the brief period when  >"thin clients" were trendy. >h5 >VMS on Multia reminds me about Samuel Johnson's quipc4 >about women's preaching being like a dog walking on >its hind legs:c > 7 >"It is not done well; but you are surprised to find iti >done at all." >i; >Absolutely no offense intended to the engineer who did theN >proof-of-concept code. Fred?  >   1 No offense taken.  It was Paul Jacobi, not me ;-)   6 >The amount of memory you could put in 'em was limited= >to 128MB, they would only take an teeny internal disk drive,J7 >You had to have a multisync monitor or you couldn't do = >GUI (none of the video modes were VGA or SVGA) and they were / >almost as slow as a VS4000 running DECwindows.p >d >And don't forget "heat death".v >t> >In one of my forays into what I would call sporadic technical= >masochism, I got a Multia, did the necessary kludgery to gets? >VMS running on it, and even did the fan upgrade so it wouldn'te >commit "thermal seppuku". >R> >Then I got one of the barebones 433a systems from Dave Turner? >at Island Computer and sold the Multia to someone else who wasu >in the Hobbyist program.g >i  L I have had a Multia since a friend in the field gave me one being chucked byJ a customer.  I got it running, played with it a few days, and it's sitting on my shelf collecting dust.  J In hindsight, I think if we had actually tried to sell these things as VMSL systems, we'd have had more complaints about it than praise.  It's cute, and small, but that's about all.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:02:58 +0200n- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> . Subject: VMS jobs available at OpenVMS Monster' Message-ID: <3D92B121.92FA66C4@Free.fr>-  B from http://openvms.monster.com/ today, US wide, with keyword VMS:   Sep 24  US-NC-Raleigh/Durham-RTPa;  IT Architect - Large Server & Storage Systems Architecture.H  Quintiles Transnational is the world's leading provider of information,N  technology and services to bring new medicines to patients faster and improve=  healthcare. Headquartered near Research Triangle P ...[more]e    Career Level:    Executive (SVP, EVP, VP).  QuintilesTransnationals      Sep 19o
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  Full-Time  Heroix Corporation-     FYI.   D. --  2   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 05:00:08 -0700& From: RJDurkee@yahoo.com (Rich Durkee)% Subject: Re: VMS performance softwares= Message-ID: <14deb915.0209260400.42386693@posting.google.com>e  C I have been using the Sightline product from Fortel for a number ofhC years and am very happy with it. It can produce realtime graphs andsA reports on many parameters. Also it can generate lists of the topnD users of resources, send alerts if certain resources are used beyond9 user-defined limits. Fortel's web site is: www.fortel.com  Rich Durkeel   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:25:51 +0100 (MET)l9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  Subject: Re: warning during copy; Message-ID: <01KMYHR0E2C49QWI2N@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  : > Well, sometimes it matters. Here I copy a VFC file and aA > variable-length record to a new file and it doesn't produce theA > expected results:   H Stated more briefly: if you append a sequential file (created with EDT, H say) to a VFC file (created with OPEN, say), then the file is displayed C correctly by EDT, TPU and TYP/PAG=SAV.  TYP/NOPAG and TYP/PAG=NOSAViE don't display it properly.  For some real fun, actually print out the - file or view it as a .txt file via HTTP.  :-)   G I have seen other cases where VFC files were displayed "properly" when nG actually printing them out or with TYP/PAG=NOSAV but not with EDT, TPU SC or TYP/PAG=SAV or TYP/NOPAG.  (No appending involved in this case.)   H Is this behaviour documented somewhere and/or can someone explain it in 
 simple terms?t  B In particular, I would expect the various TYPE commands to behave E similarly, whereas an editor or printer might be expected to display a things differently.o  G Will the attributes after an APPEND always be those of the target file?    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2002 07:12:37 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: warning during copy= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0209260612.7d91728a@posting.google.com>0  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D926AEF.5A71FF56@fsi.net>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > d > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D8FC64A.D3CE58CD@fsi.net>...! > > > aniruddha patwardhan wrote:i [...]lL > > > If your intention is simply to make a copy of the file in your currentN > > > default device/directory, the following will suffice and not produce the
 > > > mesage:S > > >L > > > $ COPY infile [] > > E > > Well, I don't see why he got the message in the first place, so I . > > don't see how using [] would fix anything. > > ! > > Also, [] doesn't always work:= > >  > > DCL> SHOW DEF" > >   SYS$SYSDEVICE:[FELDMAN]% > > DCL> SET DEF SYS$STARTUP > > DCL> SHOW DEF  > >   SYS$STARTUP:[FELDMAN]  > H > I'm guessing that's an invalid path specification since SYS$STARTUP is@ > not a concealed (or a "rooted") logical. Since your default is  = Your guess is incorrect. This "path" is invalid *only* if youo explicitly specify [].  A So you're telling me that you can't set default to SYS$STARTUP? !L  C > technically invalid, "[]" is not the only thing I would epxect tor > exhibit anomalous behavior.e  D Nope. Any program or DCL command will use SYS$STARTUP as the defaultB (and ignore whatever is in the brackets) and work just fine. It isE only if you insist that [] means your default that you might get into * trouble. And it does not always mean that.  F The notation [] means "default directory", not your default. That is aE very important distinction. If SYS$DISK contains a directory, then []uB is ignored. SYS$DISK takes precedence over []. If SYS$DISK doesn'tD contain a directory, then the default directory (whatever is between the brackets) is used.  E The fact that [] doesn't always mean your default (i.e., what you get F if you don't specify anything at all for disk and directory) is one ofE the reasons I wrote TO.COM to maintain the logical name HERE. HERE is @ always your default directory, as long as you use only TO.COM to change your default.   [...]e  ' > > $ COPY <file-spec> *   ! works finea > I > Can you post some evidence that it "works fine" (SHOW DEFAULT, followedm' > by the display output from COPY/LOG)?t  % Since you're too lazy to even try it:n  
 $ SHOW DEF   DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN] $ COPY SYS$MANAGER:A.TMP *5 %COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]A.TMP;1 copied toe' DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN]A.TMP;1 (0 records)b $f   It works fine.  H > Also, you might try F$PARSE() with your default set as above. In fact,# > just try this an post the output:'  ( [lengthy examples of parsing [] omitted]  @ F$PARSE works fine as long as you don't use []. (Try F$PARSE("")1 instead of F$PARSE("[]") and all will work fine.)   B From the help (in particular, pay attention to the last sentence):   SET   -	   DEFAULT   e     Examples  e [...]l  4          6.$ SHOW DEFAULT0            WORK:[TOP]t5            $ DEFINE X WORK:[TOP.SUB1],WORK:[TOP.SUB2]             $ SET DEFAULT X            $ SHOW DEFAULT2            X:[TOP]             =   WORK:[TOP.SUB1]p             =   WORK:[TOP.SUB2]:            $ DIRECTORY  t$            Directory WORK:[TOP.SUB1]  .            KUDOS.TMP;1  o            Total of 1 file.a  i$            Directory WORK:[TOP.SUB2]  a            KUDOS.TMP;1  s            Total of 1 file.S  a1            Grand total of 2 directories, 2 files.y            $ DIRECTORY []                Directory WORK:[TOP]t  .0            KUDOS.TMP;1           NETSERVER.LOG;2               Total of 2 files.  -E            In this example, the default directory is WORK:[TOP]. X ism then8            defined to be a search list consisting of two subdirectories.hE            When the SET DEFAULT X command is entered, the search listc (X) C            is equated with the logical name SYS$DISK and is entered0 intoD            the disk field. The subsequent SHOW DEFAULT command shows bothF            the search list and the current default directory, followed by$            the expanded search list.  aF            If a DIRECTORY command is entered, the directories searched arefA            those contained in the logical name X. However, if the  currentyF            default directory specification ([]) is explicitly entered, thee>            current default directory, rather than SYS$DISK, is	 searched.   e    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanb   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:31:10 -0700a# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>d  Subject: WASD/SYS$INPUT question9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEOJFMAA.tom@kednos.com>   5 I get the following message when firing up the serverr (This from the WASD log file).  * Error opening primary input file SYS$INPUT3 Insufficient privilege or file protection violatione    Any thoughts on hot to fix this? TIAd Tomt     ---c& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 05:48:46 GMTc% From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase)n Subject: WTB: MicroVAX 3300e& Message-ID: <H316tA.J8p@world.std.com>  J I'm looking for a MicroVAX 3300 in a BA215 enclosure--or even just a BA215@ enclosure; I can put together the rest.  I'm located in southernJ California.  If anyone has such a beast collecting dust, I'd be willing to@ pay shipping and some reasonable monetary compensation or trade.   Thanks.u   -brian.  -- eF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----H This counter is [6,177,399,753] times as pointless as a real one.  -- K.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:57:24 +0000 (UTC)t+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)pJ Subject: Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability]+ Message-ID: <amv07k$fa3$3@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>m  \ In article <3D925AF2.BDD2B36D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >John Eisenschmidt wrote:h2 >> > $ break_it :== $sys$system:ucx$pop_server.exeD >> > $ break_it -logfile sys$system:I_SHOULDNT_BE_ABLE_TO_WRITE_HERE >,1 >Haven't checked actual security compliance, but:r >@, >(TCPIP POP Server V5.3-18, ____VMS 7.2 VAX) > ( >still honours the -logfile  parameter.  >0L >From an account on a TCPIP 5.0 system,  with only netmbx and tmpmbx priv, IO >was able to create a file anywhere and in fact start the server. I must assumeU0 >that with 5.3, the behavious would be the same. > # >That is a definite security issue.  >iM >Seems to me that the boys on the gold coast have spend too much time shininge >their surfboards :-)o  J Fortunately this is only a problem if you have configured and enabled the I TCPIP services/POP server since otherwise the image is not installed withr BYPASS privilege.l  K I seem to recall the UCX POP server is a port of a popular Unix Pop server.t9 Is this a known security issue with that server on Unix ? I I'm disappointed that the porter's would have missed checking commandlinegG inputs to a program which was going to be installed with privileges fortB possible security problems (especially a qualifier like -logfile).  I Will the temporary fix of removing w:re permission from the image work oriJ is there some reason that non-privileged users need to be able to directlyK access the installed image ?  ie will removing w:re protection stop the pop < server working just as if you had disabled the pop service ?  J Since the only systems I have running a pop server are using PMDF and thisN isn't installed with BYPASS priv I haven't been able to test the vulnerability anymore than JF.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:27:35 +1000 9 From: forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth)gJ Subject: Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability]8 Message-ID: <slrnap62q5.1ml.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>  ] On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:57:24 +0000 (UTC), David Webb <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> gushed forth:m  	 [deletia]h  J >I'm disappointed that the porter's would have missed checking commandlineH >inputs to a program which was going to be installed with privileges forC >possible security problems (especially a qualifier like -logfile).   R So am I. It's led me to wonder what else there is in there lurking. I particularly didn't like seeing :-j  A "This issue was discovered as part of wider research into OpenVMSo> security.  Many issues have been found, and further advisories will be released shortly."  0 in the Bugtraq advisory. Makes me quite nervous.       > J >Will the temporary fix of removing w:re permission from the image work orK >is there some reason that non-privileged users need to be able to directlyeL >access the installed image ?  ie will removing w:re protection stop the pop= >server working just as if you had disabled the pop service ?  >eK >Since the only systems I have running a pop server are using PMDF and thisnO >isn't installed with BYPASS priv I haven't been able to test the vulnerabilityt >anymore than JF.e  N I run ucx$pop_server.exe albeit an ancient version[1]. After I read about it IO slapped an audit ACE on it and watched which accounts ran it. As far as I couldbR see the only one was ucx$pop so I stuck an ACL in ucx$pop_server.exe and restartedP ucx$pop_server (@sys$startup:ucx$pop_shutdown and @sys$startup:ucx$pop_startup).R So far (all day) I've seen no ill effects and it stops unprivileged accounts apart from ucx$pop from running it...r   UCX$POP_SERVER.EXE;1F                      [SYSTEM]                         (RWED,RWED,RE,R)Q           (IDENTIFIER=[UCX$AUX,UCX$POP],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+CONTROL)lH           (IDENTIFIER=[SYSTEM],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+CONTROL)(           (IDENTIFIER=[*,*],ACCESS=NONE)    \ The fact that I've been running it for a day can in no way be classed as exhaustive testing.? It was the first quick'n dirty that I thought of to do the job.o     [1] > DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 10   on a DEC 3000 Model 300 running OpenVMS V7.1-2       -- d     Ooroo 	 Mark F...s  $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:10:18 +0200c$ From: Jacek Tobiasz <jtb@atm.com.pl>J Subject: Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability]* Message-ID: <3D93235A.DD37B601@atm.com.pl>   David Webb wrote:S [...] M > I seem to recall the UCX POP server is a port of a popular Unix Pop server."  * no, it's based on freeware IUPOP3 version2. http://vw.tci.uni-hannover.de/extrakt/pop.html  ; > Is this a known security issue with that server on Unix ?d  E IUPOP3 runs as a detached process with privileges. It's not installedyN with privs. I looked at it long time ago, not sure why it needs all the privs.  7 In UCX, POP startup is different, they installed it ...   K > I'm disappointed that the porter's would have missed checking commandline I > inputs to a program which was going to be installed with privileges forGD > possible security problems (especially a qualifier like -logfile).  B it's not an issue for IUPOP3, it was not designed to be installed. UCX/TCP guys missed it.e  iK > Will the temporary fix of removing w:re permission from the image work ornL > is there some reason that non-privileged users need to be able to directly  > access the installed image ?    : There is no need for any user to run ucx$pop_server image.  / > ie will removing w:re protection stop the popH> > server working just as if you had disabled the pop service ?   There should be no problem.    Regards- Jacek    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:19:08 +0100p% From: "Mike Riley" <mike@akita.co.uk>@J Subject: Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability]* Message-ID: <amvbv4$bnk$1@uns-a.ucl.ac.uk>  F "Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth" <forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu> wrote in message2 news:slrnap62q5.1ml.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com...6 > On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:57:24 +0000 (UTC), David Webb( <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> gushed forth: >e > [deletia]e >NL > >I'm disappointed that the porter's would have missed checking commandlineJ > >inputs to a program which was going to be installed with privileges forE > >possible security problems (especially a qualifier like -logfile).  >>G > So am I. It's led me to wonder what else there is in there lurking. Ii particularly > didn't like seeing :-h > C > "This issue was discovered as part of wider research into OpenVMSu@ > security.  Many issues have been found, and further advisories > will be released shortly." >.2 > in the Bugtraq advisory. Makes me quite nervous. >w  A Sorry :)  I didn't mean to make anyone nervous here, rest assuredl9 that we are responsible around release of advisories like @ this - you'll notice this wasn't released until 2/3 months after? we'd reported it to Compaq and the ECO fixing it came out.  I'dp6 recommend keeping up to date with the patches, though.     --   --- Mike Riley - Security Systems manager @ Akitao http://www.akita-security.co.uknB ------------------------------------------------------------------C Sales: T:+44(0)1869 320111 F: +44(0)1869250688 E: sales@akita.co.uke/ Tech: T: +44(0)1869 320111  E: mike@akita.co.ukoB ------------------------------------------------------------------( "Security, performance, cost - pick two"   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:19:20 +0000 (UTC)h+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)tJ Subject: Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability]+ Message-ID: <amvc28$jad$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>a  Q In article <3D93235A.DD37B601@atm.com.pl>, Jacek Tobiasz <jtb@atm.com.pl> writes:n >h >w >David Webb wrote: >[...] aN >> I seem to recall the UCX POP server is a port of a popular Unix Pop server. >o+ >no, it's based on freeware IUPOP3 version2e/ >http://vw.tci.uni-hannover.de/extrakt/pop.html  >>  5 Yes that's what I meant by a popular Unix pop server.     < >> Is this a known security issue with that server on Unix ? > F >IUPOP3 runs as a detached process with privileges. It's not installedO >with privs. I looked at it long time ago, not sure why it needs all the privs.  >w8 >In UCX, POP startup is different, they installed it ... >m  H Is IUPOP3 usually run from the root account or is it run from a non-priv account but setuid root ? M In the latter case I could see why Compaq/HP might decide that the equivalenttL was to install the image. Also unless the file protection was tighter on theG unix executable then it would be vulnerable to the same type of attack.w     L >> I'm disappointed that the porter's would have missed checking commandlineJ >> inputs to a program which was going to be installed with privileges forE >> possible security problems (especially a qualifier like -logfile).  >tC >it's not an issue for IUPOP3, it was not designed to be installed.h >UCX/TCP guys missed it. > J But if it was setuid root then it potentially would face the same problem.  L >> Will the temporary fix of removing w:re permission from the image work orM >> is there some reason that non-privileged users need to be able to directlyp! >> access the installed image ?    > ; >There is no need for any user to run ucx$pop_server image." >l0 >> ie will removing w:re protection stop the pop? >> server working just as if you had disabled the pop service ?  >m >There should be no problem. >c >Regards >Jacek    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.532 ************************