1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 29 Sep 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 538       Contents:? "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) C Re: Builder Xcessory 6.1 Available - GUI Builder for VMS (Announce)  Re: China clones Alpha ? Re: China clones Alpha ? Monitor over frequency Re: Suggestion for SEARCH ) Re: TCPIP: TCPIP$SMTP_FROM ill documented - Re: TCPIP: VAX: missing smtp_config.template) 
 test, ignore.  Re: test, ignore. 8 Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content< Re: Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content< Re: Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content< Re: Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content Re: UCX security advisory  Re: UCX security advisory # Re: Upgrade from OpenVMS 6.2 to 7.2 6 Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX6 Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX6 Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX6 Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX6 Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX6 Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX6 Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAXA Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability] A Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability]   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:24:39 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>H Subject: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT)C Message-ID: <bPFl9.363298$5r1.16859132@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>    (URL below wraps)   L http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/29/technology/circuits/29CHIP.html?ex=1033876  800&en=573e03cf736d51a5&ei=5062&  G (BYT, it mentions that eliminating *both* PA-RISC and Alpha development K should save HP $200 - $400 million annually, one more confirmation of EV8's K cost being on the order of $100 million or less annually, given that it was I only one of two parallel chip efforts plus did not include server-related 
 development.)    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:34:54 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> L Subject: Re: Builder Xcessory 6.1 Available - GUI Builder for VMS (Announce)I Message-ID: <y4Fl9.133713$U_.117443@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D950D7E.903F3C61@fsi.net...  > Mark Hatch wrote:  > > L > > No, you're not blind. We screwed up our webpage in the last revision and dropped the I > > link to OpenVMS in the product description pages. Thanks for spotting  it! I'll get > > it corrected ASAP. > G > Thanx! Anything that helps VMS could be a helpful, strategic product.     K It's a pretty decent product as I recollect. Last used it about 6 years ago 3 though, so can't comment on the current version(s).    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2002 08:14:22 -0700( From: baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut)! Subject: Re: China clones Alpha ? < Message-ID: <c5cf6e8.0209290714.2ca59a27@posting.google.com>  m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0209271703.681d7c47@posting.google.com>... l > wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) wrote in message news:<92968AC57warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>...- > > I guess Bob C was right - Alpha lives on?  > > P > > "Other sources tell us that China has also successfully built clones of the ) > > DEC, now Intel Alpha microprocessor."  > > < > > Full story at:  http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5609 > >  > > ws > ? > and notice that their military isn't dum like some of ours in ? > choosing between alpha and windows ... probably will run vms!   E It is doubtful that the Chinese are going to make VMS compatiblity an : issue.  They are building the Soaring Dragon to run Linux.   > from same article above ...  > F > So what sort of chip is it? The article, here, says that the Chinese" > CPU is based on RISC technology. > H > According to sources close to China's plans, its military requirementsF > specifically avoid Microsoft software, which the generals believe toG > be a flawed system in a battle zone. Other sources tell us that China @ > has also successfully built clones of the DEC, now Intel Alpha > microprocessor.  > 4 > This will be an interesting development, we think.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:08:47 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: China clones Alpha ? @ Message-ID: <iAFl9.23537$Ii4.833272@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  5 "Baby Peanut" <baby_p_nut@yahoo.com> wrote in message 6 news:c5cf6e8.0209290714.2ca59a27@posting.google.com...   ...   G > It is doubtful that the Chinese are going to make VMS compatiblity an < > issue.  They are building the Soaring Dragon to run Linux.  8 They are also building it on MIPS technology, not Alpha:  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5613   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:09:50 GMT 2 From: "Phillip Sobottke" <psobottke@ameritech.net> Subject: Monitor over frequency ? Message-ID: <2JEl9.1501$F53.1561537@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   K I have a Digital Ultimate workstation that I am trying to get VMS installed H on.  When I boot after installation, and the alpha system console startsJ up...shortly thereafter my monitor shuts down (over frequency).  Do I needJ to try a different monitor, or can I adjust the frequency setting somehow?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:39:11 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: Suggestion for SEARCH' Message-ID: <3D973271.144ABB6A@fsi.net>   
 dooley wrote:  > c > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D952A40.BE5E6979@videotron.ca>...  > > One should be able to: > > 2 > > SEARCH/chocolate sys$system:TCPIP*.EXE logfile > > L > > and just get a list of files which contain the string. (without actuallyK > > displaying the contents of the record containing the matched string(s).  > > N > > The output would be very useful to feed into some procedure (for instance,7 > > edit all files containing the string ("chocolate"). ; > I use $search /log /noout and cut/paste from my pc screen & > or pipe it into another output file.. > (I didn't think of the /win=0 option either) > Phil  F You might find SEARCH/WIN=0/OUT=filespec useful, as well, depending on
 your need.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:04:55 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 2 Subject: Re: TCPIP: TCPIP$SMTP_FROM ill documented' Message-ID: <3D96A617.D4510D07@Free.fr>    Jean-Franois,  F When you know everything on TCP/IP for VAX, please open a Yahoo group. :-)    D.   JF Mezei wrote:  > ) > TCPIP Management reference manual (5.1)  > # $ > 17.8 Disabling SMTP Outbound AliasO > Users can specify an outbound alias that is applied to mail as it is sent and K > specifies the network address to which a reply will be sent. The outbound 
 > alias isJ > defined using the TCPIP$SMTP_FROM logical, as described in Section 17.5. > #  > Q > TCPIP$SMTP_FROM is not documented in section 17.5, nor anywhere in that manual.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:01:26 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)6 Subject: Re: TCPIP: VAX: missing smtp_config.template)K Message-ID: <rdeininger-2909020901260001@1cust213.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   5 In article <3D963446.76F831AA@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:   I >The 5.1  TCPIP management reference manual states that there should be a K >SMTP_CONFIG.TEMPLATE file provided. (section "17.6.1 Enabling and Managing  >SMTP AntiSPAM") > M >However, this file is not present on my 5.3 system. (the template is present = >inside the SYS$LIBRARY:TCPIP$TEMPLATES.TLB library however).  > . >This system was upgraded from 5.0-9 to 5.3-18 > O >I suspect that the SMTP$CONFIG procedure doesn't extract this template if SMTP  >is already configured.  >  >Perhaps a  @ >$IF F$SEARCH("TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:SMTP_CONFIG.TEMPLATE") .eqs. ""  >$THEN LIB/extract=SMTP_CONFIG -9 >        /OUTPUT=TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:SMTP_CONFIG.TEMPLATE - ) >        SYS$LIBRARY:TCPIP$TEMPLATES.TLB   >$ENDIF  >  >would do the trick.  H Right.  If you upgrade and SMTP is already configured, you don't get theG template.  The template is installed by the SMTP configure process, not H the installer.  This is clearly an installation bug.  I noticed it a fewJ days ago, and it's on my list of things to report through proper channels.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:04:49 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>  Subject: test, ignore.' Message-ID: <3D96B421.98CB38A9@Free.fr>         ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:10:31 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>  Subject: Re: test, ignore.' Message-ID: <3D96B578.31DA7696@Free.fr>   O Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action taken. % Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:11:34 +1200 . From: System Attendant <EXCHSVR-SA@fsc.com.fj>- To: 'Didier Morandi' <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>   9 Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content.   1 Place = Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com; ; ; Didier Morandi  Sender = Didier Morandi  Subject = test, ignore. 4 Delivery Time = September 29, 2002 (Sunday) 20:11:34 Policy = Anti-Spam$ Action on this mail = Delete message  # Warning message from administrator: / Content filter has detected a sensitive e-mail.      So, I am The Spammer.  Sorry for that.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:37:22 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> A Subject: Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content ' Message-ID: <3D96ADB3.8772C9A0@Free.fr>   0 So, Google reports 204 entries for that message.D As Michael Unger reported in here yesterday, what's going on here???   D. --  2   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:45:13 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> E Subject: Re: Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content ' Message-ID: <3D96AF8A.EB75B6E2@Free.fr>    I love this one:   -----Original Message----- From: Bullard, Claude L (Len) & Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:42 PM To: OASIS Comment B Subject: RE: [humanmarkup-comment] Diplomatic Communication Topics  > An item for your consideration when attempting to sell HumanML> intermediaries particularly for diplomacy.  No matter what we 8 do, computer chips don't have a sense of humor and mere / codelist matching won't emulate it very well.                             len                            : >Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content.5 >Place = 'David G. Durand'; xml-dev@lists.xml.org; ;  ! >Sender = Bullard, Claude L (Len) - >Subject = RE: [xml-dev] XHTML survival rate? 3 >Delivery Time = April 11, 2002 (Thursday) 13:31:08  >Policy = Sexual Discrimination            ********************* ) >Action on this mail = Quarantine message $ >Warning message from administrator:8 >Sender, Content filter has detected a sensitive e-mail.   :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Sep 02 10:07:16 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) E Subject: Re: Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content ) Message-ID: <f+7hT$dzgnz9@elias.decus.ch>   W In article <3D96ADB3.8772C9A0@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes: 2 > So, Google reports 204 entries for that message.F > As Michael Unger reported in here yesterday, what's going on here??? >   F Even mail to postmaster@fsc.com.fj gets bounced with the same message.  B Since that doesn't work, we can try emailing the technical contact3 mentioned below. At least that hasn't bounced. Yet.   & Domain name: fsc.com.fj	Status: Active Expires:     31st December 2002   
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 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 04:42:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> E Subject: Re: Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content , Message-ID: <3D96BCD8.D9233315@videotron.ca>   Would "grow your alpha" or'  "add 3 inches to your cluster member"   or+ "nigerian company seeks VMS programmers ?"    !   trigger the antispam response ?    :-) :-) :-) :-)   K My ISP has yet to fix my email. I figured that perhaps during this time, my + name will bounce out of many email lists...    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2002 08:40:38 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>" Subject: Re: UCX security advisory5 Message-ID: <20020929084038.7421.qmail@nym.alias.net>   C On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    <snip>  M >Perhaps the TCPIP group will be a vanguard in this respect, discovering many O >of the pitfalls of porting stuff to VMS from Unix and maybe they can establish I >a porting expertise/recommendations to share their experiences. (Would a J >technical symposium on the gold coast of australia in january/february beB >succesful ?  We could save on conference room costs by having the$ >presentations done on the beach :-)  H I guess you'd propose drawing in the sand instead of using a whiteboard?     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2002 00:15:23 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: UCX security advisory- Message-ID: <87it0obwmc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:    > David Webb wrote:   E > > The fact you found any programs installed with SETPRV is actually E > > more worrying since this indicates the writer was taking the easy B > > way out and not working out what privileges the program really > > needed.    E > And security for tcpip stack is one of the more important aspect of E > OS security these days since that is where the attacks tend to come B > from. So the TCPIP folks not having conducted due diligence with: > regards to security/privileges requirements is very bad.   F All part of the leaner, meaner more efficient compuke/hp that the goatE gave us last year. Including pink slipping the testing groups. Proper F test and qualification is done by an external group to the developers.D It is the only way you can ensure that the assumptions about the run* time environment etc don't screw you over.  D > I am still ready to volunteer to patrol the golad coast beaches toC > ensure the TCPIP engineers don't spend too much time waxing their  > surfboards... :-)    = > This issue does highlight the potential problems of the COE D > initiative: when they start to port more and more unix software toD > VMS, more and more loopholes (unix leftovers) such as the -logfile > are likely to appear.   D Isn't it nice to be standard! After all, we can't go having VMS only< flaws, we must have the proper billygoat blessed kiss of joyF *standard* bugs and flaws. Now id they could just paint the bugs blue, C&C would be enraptured. ;)     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Sep 2002 13:22:16 GMT5 From: davidkatelansky@wmconnect.com (Davidkatelansky) , Subject: Re: Upgrade from OpenVMS 6.2 to 7.2? Message-ID: <20020929092216.20402.00008182@mb-fs.wmconnect.com>    Luiz, O          You can always upgrade by 1 version number, so you don't have to worry L about losing any data from your disks.  There is no problem with clustering;M your present clustering parameters are fine.  One change you can make is to a F better tcp/ip package.  6.2 used UCX, but you can now upgrade to TCPIPC services; do it, because of it's vastly superior memory management.    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:03:42 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> ? Subject: Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX ' Message-ID: <3D96A5CE.31C2F8DD@Free.fr>    B).   D A) should be the object of a new group, comp.os.vms.soapbox or such.   D.   Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > Do people prefer:  > < > A) Evaluation of Digital/Compaq/HP management, speculationB >     about what motivs there were for past decisions, speculationA >     about what future decisions will be, discussions about what @ >     decisions should be made, analysis of financials etc.etc.. > F > B) Technical questions and answers about DCL, VMS system management,D >     programming on VMS and VMS capable hardware, discussions aboutH >     which technical features future VMS versions should have etc.etc.. > 
 > C) Both. >  > ?  >  > Arne   --  2   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Sep 02 09:17:57 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ? Subject: Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX ) Message-ID: <DBtHQvFOKCpo@elias.decus.ch>   n In article <3D975F3F.7080501@mail.tele.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> writes: > Do people prefer:  > < > A) Evaluation of Digital/Compaq/HP management, speculationB >     about what motivs there were for past decisions, speculationA >     about what future decisions will be, discussions about what @ >     decisions should be made, analysis of financials etc.etc.. > F > B) Technical questions and answers about DCL, VMS system management,D >     programming on VMS and VMS capable hardware, discussions aboutH >     which technical features future VMS versions should have etc.etc.. > 
 > C) Both. >  > ?    D) 99% B, 1% A  : The 1% A is there from the point of view that those who do2 not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.    __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2002 08:30:41 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> ? Subject: Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX 6 Message-ID: <20020929083041.20411.qmail@nym.alias.net>  E On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Arne Vajh=F8j <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote:  >Do people prefer: > ; >A) Evaluation of Digital/Compaq/HP management, speculation A >    about what motivs there were for past decisions, speculation @ >    about what future decisions will be, discussions about what? >    decisions should be made, analysis of financials etc.etc..  > E >B) Technical questions and answers about DCL, VMS system management, C >    programming on VMS and VMS capable hardware, discussions about G >    which technical features future VMS versions should have etc.etc..  > 	 >C) Both.     
 C, or D...  ? D) comp.os.vms.advocacy for A, and comp.os.vms.technical for B.   B Alternatively, just the creation of an alt. group such as alt.vms.  D I know, I know, there would be the dreaded crosspost between the twoE groups, and the discussion of the same non-technical subjects in both J newsgroups, but if nothing else, a control message to create alt.vms wouldD be a little reminder to every news admin in the world that VMS still exists.      Doc. --=20 6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.L ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net=   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Sep 2002 08:32:23 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) ? Subject: Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-d8wCG8lOVmNQ@localhost>   A On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:14:55 UTC, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?=  " <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote:   > Do people prefer:  > < > A) Evaluation of Digital/Compaq/HP management, speculationB >     about what motivs there were for past decisions, speculationA >     about what future decisions will be, discussions about what @ >     decisions should be made, analysis of financials etc.etc.. > F > B) Technical questions and answers about DCL, VMS system management,D >     programming on VMS and VMS capable hardware, discussions aboutH >     which technical features future VMS versions should have etc.etc.. > 
 > C) Both. >  > ?  >  > Arne >    T'would have to be 'C'.   F You can't always divorce the one from the other, particularly when youD have to argue the case for keeping (or not!) VMS systems, let alone 
 buy new ones.    --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 14:52:56 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG ? Subject: Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX 0 Message-ID: <00A14B2E.D4E1127A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <3D975F3F.7080501@mail.tele.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> writes: >Do people prefer: > ; >A) Evaluation of Digital/Compaq/HP management, speculation A >    about what motivs there were for past decisions, speculation @ >    about what future decisions will be, discussions about what? >    decisions should be made, analysis of financials etc.etc..  > E >B) Technical questions and answers about DCL, VMS system management, C >    programming on VMS and VMS capable hardware, discussions about G >    which technical features future VMS versions should have etc.etc..  > 	 >C) Both.  >  >? >  >Arne  >    B.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 29 Sep 02 17:05:07 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ? Subject: Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX ) Message-ID: <p7u$xfU9dLti@elias.decus.ch>   e In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-d8wCG8lOVmNQ@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes: C > On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:14:55 UTC, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?=  $ > <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote: >  >> Do people prefer: >>  = >> A) Evaluation of Digital/Compaq/HP management, speculation C >>     about what motivs there were for past decisions, speculation B >>     about what future decisions will be, discussions about whatA >>     decisions should be made, analysis of financials etc.etc..  >>  G >> B) Technical questions and answers about DCL, VMS system management, E >>     programming on VMS and VMS capable hardware, discussions about I >>     which technical features future VMS versions should have etc.etc..  >>   >> C) Both.  >>   >> ? >>   >> Arne  >>   >  > T'would have to be 'C'.  > H > You can't always divorce the one from the other, particularly when youF > have to argue the case for keeping (or not!) VMS systems, let alone  > buy new ones.  > E On reflection, I'll revise my idea of D) to 5%. 1 in 20 non-technical  messages should be OK.  K But I also like Doc's idea of a separate newsgroup. Yet again, in the quest B of budget cutting, the folks at work are trying to justify closingF down our news server. If I can point to technical content, I can argue. for keeping the service alive. Otherwise, not.   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2002 15:48:00 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>? Subject: Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX 6 Message-ID: <20020929154800.26129.qmail@nym.alias.net>  8 On 29 Sep 02, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:6 >In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-d8wCG8lOVmNQ@localhost>,0 >djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes:D >> On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:14:55 UTC, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= % >> <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote:  >>   >>> Do people prefer:  >>> > >>> A) Evaluation of Digital/Compaq/HP management, speculationD >>>     about what motivs there were for past decisions, speculationC >>>     about what future decisions will be, discussions about what B >>>     decisions should be made, analysis of financials etc.etc.. >>> H >>> B) Technical questions and answers about DCL, VMS system management,F >>>     programming on VMS and VMS capable hardware, discussions aboutJ >>>     which technical features future VMS versions should have etc.etc.. >>>  >>> C) Both.   >> T'would have to be 'C'. >>  I >> You can't always divorce the one from the other, particularly when you G >> have to argue the case for keeping (or not!) VMS systems, let alone   >> buy new ones. >>  F >On reflection, I'll revise my idea of D) to 5%. 1 in 20 non-technical >messages should be OK.  > L >But I also like Doc's idea of a separate newsgroup. Yet again, in the questC >of budget cutting, the folks at work are trying to justify closing G >down our news server. If I can point to technical content, I can argue / >for keeping the service alive. Otherwise, not.   J I'm not the first to suggest this, but it isn't something that can be doneK without a reasonable level of support from people in comp.os.vms. Even were F a group aimed at taking the more "political" content created, it wouldF require that people request it be carried and actually make use of it.  I Of course, you're still going to get some crossover, but if people can be D bothered to set followups, and not get too ratty about non-technical content, it may work.   I What might be worth trying as an experiment is running an alt.vms mailing K list to see if people would bother with the idea. If that had any interest, I then there's more justification for the newsgroup, and when one is set up F it can be gated the same as Info-VAX. (What software does Info-VAX use anyway?)     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:03:22 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>J Subject: Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability]+ Message-ID: <3D98216A.6000506@mail.tele.dk>   
 dooley wrote:   B > Isn't this the point where we launch into a discussion about theB > c language being inappropriate for anything other than user mode% > because of null-terminated strings?   4 Strictly technical speaking UCX POP is a "user mode"4 application (or so I assume). It is just a user mode2 application with privilige, which is probably even2 easier to exploit than a exec/kernel mode app with no priviliges.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:45:56 +1000 9 From: forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth) J Subject: Re: [mike@akitanet.co.uk: OpenVMS POP server local vulnerability]8 Message-ID: <slrnapdpvk.2ap.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>  J On 28 Sep 2002 22:10:06 -0700, dooley <dooleys@snowy.net.au> gushed forth:  	 [deletia]   A >Isn't this the point where we launch into a discussion about the A >c language being inappropriate for anything other than user mode $ >because of null-terminated strings?  L Nah, not yet...:-) Perhaps a discussion about inappropriate use of privilegeI and not testing against all possible input. This vulnerability would have < been picked up if the testing was a). done and b). rigorous.  C Note. This doesn't include JFM testing the Queensland beaches...:-)    --       Ooroo 	 Mark F...   $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.538 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              @䴪    A䴪    B䴪    C䴪    D䴪    E䴪    F䴪    G䴪    H䴪    I䴪    J䴪    K䴪    L䴪    M䴪    N䴪    O䴪    P䴪    Q䴪    R䴪    S䴪    T䴪    U䴪    V䴪    W䴪    X䴪    Y䴪    Z䴪    [䴪    \䴪    ]䴪    ^䴪    _䴪    `䴪    a䴪    b䴪    c䴪    d䴪    e䴪    f䴪    g䴪    h䴪    i䴪    j䴪    k䴪    l䴪    m䴪    n䴪    o䴪    p䴪    q䴪    r䴪    s䴪    t䴪    u䴪    v䴪    w䴪    x䴪    y䴪    z䴪    {䴪    |䴪    }䴪    ~䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪    䴪     崪    崪    崪    崪    崪    崪    崪    崪    崪    	崪    
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