1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 03 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 183       Contents: Re: Alpha emulator for x86? 7 Announcement: Secure Web Server Update Kits for OpenVMS ; Re: Apache %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on RIGHTSLIST.DAT after upgrade  Re: COV Sponsors RE: COV Sponsors RE: COV Sponsors DBI prebuilt modules for perl * Do OpenVMS Alpha have a Year 2057 problem? Free offer from TDI  Re: Getting an Alphastation / latest Business Critical Systems Customer Times 3 Re: latest Business Critical Systems Customer Times . Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and cons. Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and cons  Re: MOD_SSL and MOD_AUTH_OPENVMS  Re: MOD_SSL and MOD_AUTH_OPENVMS  Re: MOD_SSL and MOD_AUTH_OPENVMS Mystery SBB P Re: Mystery solved? (Re: [Q] Files not found during image backup, w/ and  w/o di" Re: New SPAWN behavior with V7.3-1" Re: New SPAWN behavior with V7.3-1" Re: New SPAWN behavior with V7.3-1' Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!! ' Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!! ' Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!! ' Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!! ' Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!!  OpenVMS Pearl for Wed April 2nd # Re: OpenVMS Pearl for Wed April 2nd P Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retai Re: Overuse of LIB$SPAWN?  Perl 5.6-1 ECO Kit Power cord length for EVA?- Re: Samba on VMS Get_Hostbyname error message  Re: Second IP address  Sending Email to Island + So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... E Re: SYSTARTUP_VMS (was: Three questions re: the VMS startup proce	ss) ( Re: The Space Invaders minute of the day/ Re: The Space Invaders minute of the day: /NOOP  Re: TZ30's and Alpha's? ' VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map? + Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map? $ Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG$ Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG$ Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG$ Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG$ Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG$ Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG$ Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG$ Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG$ Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG& Re: who is procedure of backup for vms& Re: who is procedure of backup for vms& Re: who is procedure of backup for vms& Re: who is procedure of backup for vms2 Re: Xtree for VMS was (Re: MS-Word from OpenVMS ?)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:51:29 -05002 From: "Timothy Stark" <sword7nospam@speakeasy.org>$ Subject: Re: Alpha emulator for x86?2 Message-ID: <JuecnTLLkpAPGBajXTWcpA@speakeasy.net>  = "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote in message & news:b6b1kd017a1@enews1.newsguy.com...J > FYI, Tim has already written a PDP-10, a PDP-11, and a VAX emulator.  My? > guess is he might be thinking of adding the Alpha to the Mix.  > H > Charon-VAX might be able to run Ultrix-32, Digital Unix is Alpha only.  L Yeah.  I already am thinking of adding the Alpha to my TS10 emulator.  I gotB Alpha ARM handbook (3rd edition) from one of the online bookstoresL (www.bn.com).   I am figuring how to boot firmware but did not know where isK its location to start.  I know that firmware is at end of 1 MB segment like  in PC architecture.   K Also, I implemented SDL graphics package into my TS10 emulator for graphics J terminal and microcomputers and my ts10 emilator successfully opened a newF window and displayed TI-99/4A master title screen on it.  Yes, my ts104 emulator now has TI-99/4A emulator (near completed).  C About VAX emulator, I fixed some bugs and added TMSCP emulation and J successfully booted OpenVMS tape on the >>> prompt.  That takes me several weeks to complete that.  Whew.  C Yes, TS10 emulator and Simh emulator is able run Ultrix-32 as well.   G Thank you for replies about Alpha emulators.  I found two working Alpha  emulators on the Internet.H and now have them in my hand.  (SimOS 2.0 and SimpleScalar 3.0b)   SimOS& includes two MIPS and Alpha emulation.  	 Tim Stark    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 11:29:28 -0800 1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) @ Subject: Announcement: Secure Web Server Update Kits for OpenVMS= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0304021129.6c6aeb5e@posting.google.com>   7 Announcement: Secure Web Server Update Kits for OpenVMS 7 -------------------------------------------------------   7 Secure Web Server update kits for OpenVMS are available  for download from:  K http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_patches.html    CSWS Update Kit:  E If you have enabled SSL support for your CSWS server, Hewlett-Packard F recommends that you apply this patch by downloading and installing the) kit corrsponding to your version of CSWS.    CSWS13_UPDATE V2.0 (CSWS 1.3)  CSWS12_UPDATE V6.0 (CSWS 1.2)   9 Each kit corrects the following mod_ssl/OpenSSL problems:   4       1. mod_ssl handshake timeout denial-of-service  H          SSL (HTTPS) connections do not timeout during the SSL handshakeF          phase causing SSL connections to remain open until the clientJ          closes the connection or the server is restarted. This can resultD          in denial-of-service when one or more clients open multipleC          connections to the server that reach the MaxClients limit.   H          This problem is corrected. The timeout interval defaults to 300J          seconds (5 minutes) and is adjustable using the Timeout directive           in the httpd.conf file.  D       2. mod_ssl keepalive timeout causes server process termination  F          SSL (HTTPS) connections that receive a keepalive timeout willD          cause the Apache server processes to terminate and restart,E          causing performance degradation. The following entry appears           in the error log file:   K          [Thu Dec 12 16:34:28 2002] [notice] child pid 224042c5 exit signal )          Bad system call (12, 0x1000000C)   @          This problem is corrected. As a result of this fix, theE          SSL engine log file will contain an I/O error entry for each G          keepalive timeout due to the cancellation of a pending read on           the socket.  D       3. OpenSSL vulnerabilities: buffer-overflow and timing attacksA          (CERT advisory CA-2002-23, CVE advisories CAN-2003-0078, &          CAN-2003-0147, CAN-2003-0131)  H          This problem is corrected. The OpenSSL library included in thisD          kit contains OpenSSL version 0.9.6b with the above patches.  )          For additional information, see:   + 	   http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/102795	  D          http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=can-2003-0078D          http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=can-2003-0147D          http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=can-2003-0131  I In addition, each kit contains several non-security software corrections. 4 Please refer to the README file for further details.   CSWS_PHP Update Kit:  % CSWS_PHP11_UPDATE V1.0 (CSWS_PHP 1.1)   G This kit corrects a problem where the PHP.INI file was ignored when PHP  was used directly PHP from DCL.    Regards,  
 Rick Barry  < Hewlett Packard Company       Secure Web Server Project Team; 110 Spit Brook Road           OpenVMS System Software Group < Nashua, NH  03062             Business Critical Server Group (603) 884-0634   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:06:29 -0500+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> D Subject: Re: Apache %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on RIGHTSLIST.DAT after upgrade. Message-ID: <3e8b35f9$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>   Paul,   H If you could define the logical name apache$config_verbose to 'true' andH re-run the startup procedure, it should point us to where the startup is failing.  F Here is the sequence of steps to install a full Secure Web Server kit, followed by an update kit:  : 1. Shutdown the software ($ @sys$startup:apache$shutdown).5 2. Install the kit ($ PRODUCT INSTALL CSWS/DEST=...). ? 3. Run the configuration script ($ @sys$startup:apache$config). < 4. Install the update kit ($ PRODUCT INSTALL CSWS13_UPDATE).4 5. Start the server ($ @sys$startup:apache$startup).  J It's only necessary to run APACHE$CONFIG after you install a full kit. TheL patch kits set the appropriate protection on the subset of files it overlays onto an existing installation.  
 Rick Barry" Secure Web Server Development Team OpenVMS Systems Software Group Hewlett Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH  6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:TAKMsMKtf1Jd@elias.decus.ch... H > In article <bMBUcaJ2R5E0@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:? > > In article <b68k5c$cb$1@news4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk  <munk@home.nl> writes:K > >> Did you run the config procedure after the upgrade? After each upgrade  of CSWS E > >> you MUST run the config procedure, otherwise you get all kind of  Privilege problems.  > >> > > K > > That appears to fix it. FWIW I did run APACHE$CONFIG after the upgrade, & > > but not after the security update. > > E > > I see today there's a new update. I'll see if I can reproduce the 
 problem after G > > applying that (the update instructions only contain instructions to  shutdown > > and startup).  > >  >  > Latest report: > K > I applied CSWS Security update 2 and ran APACHE$CONFIG again. When I said > > Yes to "Enable MOD_SSL?", the following startup produced the %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIVL > error accessing RIGHTLIST. Repeating APACHE$CONFIG, this time answering No= > to the MOD_SSL question, on the restart there was no error.  > B > I did this a couple of times, so it appears quite reproduceable. >  >  > -- > Paul Sture   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:01:41 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 2 Message-ID: <QvicnYPZ2a0-3BajXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  5 "Jon Power" <qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com> wrote in message 7 news:71367ac8.0304021011.69264b58@posting.google.com...    ...   5 > I keep wondering why you guys dont get the 'point'.   H Perhaps because you fail to make it.  When you assert that other clusterH facilities are equal or superior to VMS's you are, quite simply, full ofF shit.  If you instead simply observed (as John did) that other clusterK facilities are adequate for a great many useful applications and that VMS's F superior facilities make a really significant difference only for someI minority of the entire cluster market, you would only be restating what I J and others have been saying here for years - which is also true of most of5 the other material that I snipped from your response.    - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:23:39 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: COV Sponsors T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ECF50@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Jon,  E Please give us a break .. This is not some newsgroup you can befuddle 3 with pure fud to suit your own business strategies.   E Your promotion of the idea that the older UNIX architecture is better H than OpenVMS for everything is ridiculous to any seasoned computer type.    B It is analogous to a car salesman stating their new model XYZ willA address every vehicle buyers requirements, and will put all other . manufacturers and/or lines out of business.=20   Key message-  6 - UNIX (Linux) is good at some things) but not others.1 - OpenVMS is good at some things, but not others. 1 - Windows is good at some things, but not others. - - NSK is good at some things, but not others. - - MVS is good at some things, but not others, 8 - [pick your OS] is good at some things, but not others.   Starting to catch on?   F It reminds me of those zealots that state ""the answer is UNIX - whats the question?"=20   H Here are a few very recent (HP format) examples of OpenVMS testimonials:  G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/cerner.pdf (Cerner -  Health) G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/commerzbank/commerzbank.pdf  (9/11 Finance testimonial)G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/indiarr/indiarr.pdf (Indian  Rail - Transportation)E http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/nz_steel/nz_steel.pdf (NZ  Steel - Manufacturing)C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/dartmouth/dartmouth.pdf  (Dartmouth - Health)H http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/southeastern/southeastern_fr1 eight.pdf (SouthEastern Freight - Transportation)   / On the topic of future application development:   F If a Customer wants to web enable an mission critical application thatG has proven itself and been around for many years, rather than throw out E the baby with the wash (and 10-15 years of business integration logic F that needs to be completely retested - not to mention staff skills andE 3rd party support tools and utilities), why not protect their current D investment and invest in industry standard application & developmentH technologies like Java, XML, Apache, LDAP etc. to better integrate their existing application data?=20   G On top of that, why not deploy all of this application development on a H server platform that has 0 known active virus's, has rock solid securityF and a cluster technology that is considered to be the gold standard in
 the industry?    References to examples of this: ( http://ebusiness.ericom.com/iOpenVms.asp0 http://www.dataglider.com/solutions/openvms.html8 http://www.spiritsoft.com/news/pressreleases.asp?id=3D24  C On the cluster topic, check out this report on the current state of  clustering and DT:H http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/unix/illuminata_dt_unix_research_note.pd f    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM      -----Original Message-----2 From: Jon Power [mailto:qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: April 2, 2003 1:12 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors     F Bill - Don't time have to reply to every point as 3 more major missionH critical VMS applications have just signed up to migrate to LINUX. WhichG means we are going to be very busy for the next 2 or 3 weeks setting up  the teams etc etc.  3 I keep wondering why you guys dont get the 'point'.   F The number of midrange UNIX(s) server out there must be 10 to 15 times the installed base of VMS.  > Most every major corporation is running their mission critical0 applications or UNIX/VMS or zOS (used to be MVS)  C Somehow, US industry keeps running without the incredibly important 4 UNIQUE technology that you believe VMS has to offer.   How can this be ????  H How can most of the enterprises keep an IT infrastructure up and running WITHOUT VMS ??????????????  D Come to think of it, Why didnt HP just DUMP Tru64 and HP/UX and only sell OpenVMS ??   F Could it possibly be that the same capabilities offered thru differentB channels is available on almost every computer system out there ??  G If we are going to discuss a truly unique offering in the industry then  we should be talking TANDEM.  = FAULT TOLERANT.  Not just 5x9 highly available, but NON STOP.   G So, if technology is the 'key' to winning the war, I would expect every 2 VMS crusader to suggest that everyone buys TANDEM.  E After all, if all of this great VMS clustering technology beats UNIX, G and its all about technology, then TANDEM obviously knocks VMS and UNIX H and NT into obscurity. Who cares about cluster failover when the systems simply don't stop running ?    In fact, back a few lines:  D Come to think of it, Why didn't HP just DUMP Tru64, NT and HP/UX and OpenVMS only sell TANDEM ??   F Everyone will agree that OpenVMS has better base clustering capabilityD than UNIX & NT (you'll have to dig deep to make the case against the mainframe) -B but today's applications make use of the 3rd party middleware thatG bypasses the need for such an integrated base, all inclusive clustering F capability and uplevel the failover, load balancing to the message and DB layer where it should be.  G If you look at the progression of VMS layered products, you can clearly H see the movement away from the old style 'everything in the application'& to what we see in the 3/4 tier systems  D SMG & RMS (data and screen control tightly embedded in the code) FMSC (attempt to move the screen maintenance out of the code - but still H having tightly bound UAR's TDMS & Rdb - failed attempt to combine UI andD data access DEC FORMS, ACMS, Rdb - multi tiered abstracted tool set,G allowing true separation of the UI, business logic, transaction control  (and
 balancing)
 and database.   $ So, where are these products today ?  D DEC FORMS - replaced with Oracle forms or client UI/HTML/Slim ClientD ACMS - history books - replaced with Tuxedo Rdb - faded and replaced with Oracle   E DEC's best product that should have been a world killer was RTR. This E piece of middleware handled shadow servers and load balancing between C geographically separated servers with complete "non clustered" load H balanced functionality in the middleware. Guess what -- it was available. on OpenVMS, Tru64, AIX, SOLARIS, HP and NT ...  H What's a shadow server ? -- you could set up 3 systems - 1 primary and 2> shadow, all 3 servers got the transaction, all 3 processed theA transaction, but the output from all but 1 was blocked from being G received by the requester. If the primary went down, the shadow servers C had a complete state picture and could continue to service stateful H requests. (all this without OpenVMS clustering - who would have guessed)  E If there was a single product that DEC had that should have taken the  world over - this was it.   E Once again - what's the point ? -- well, DEC would convince potential E client that OpenVMS was supreme - but they bought SUN / AIX / Tru64 / - HP-UX anyway - leading to where we are today.   D Why did they buy Oracle, Tuxedo, UNIX instead of OpenVMS --- becauseF they had a choice of systems that they could switch to without massiveG migration costs, and having 3 or 4 bidders kept the price down (I think ! its called a free market economy)   H DEC won on the early days by giving away OpenVMS systems to universitiesG and getting a well trained technology lower level who eventually became G buyers and decision makers -- now LINUX has filled the void left by DEC ? -- the model worked for DEC, its working even better for LINUX.   G Say what you will about the technology, it does not matter -- what does C matter is that VMS systems are being taken out of enterprises for a F whole bunch of reasons - some make sense - some don't -- they questionE you should be asking yourselves if where will be your personal income E and the ability to support your families if you don't just accept the 3 situation and learn new skills before its too late.   D We had to do this at Sector7 -- we were the king of the hill when itH came to VMS migration, we felt comfortable, knew everything - but we areD finding less and less VMS systems available for our services. So, weE started taking what we had learned about low cost FIXED PRICE PLANNED G migrations and developed a large UNIX to UNIX/LINUX migration practice, G then we realized that Server Consolidation or IT Optimization cannot be C completed costed without knowing the migration costs (the one piece D everyone leaves out) - now, today, our projects are 300 to 400 (homeH grown and packaged) application migrations in a single enterprise taking& 300 midrange systems down to 15 or 20.  D You are all very smart, committed people on the news group, your keyH skill is not VMS, its basic COMPUTER ART. Notice that I use the term ART? and not science, computer experts are not trained they are born # genetically with the skill sets.=20   G We've all seen the difference between someone who viscerally feels what ; happens in a computer and someone who is 'book learned'.=20   E How many of you feel that you can just 'touch' a computer and 'become F one' -- how many times have you said "Its just a computer program". IfH those reading this are thinking "what a load of touch feely crap" - thenE you will never understand what I'm describing .. those that do should E take that VERY VALUABLE skill set and do like the rest of the world - ' and capitalize on your gifts. NUFF SAID   
 /Jon Power   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 06:09:55 -0000 6 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> Subject: RE: COV Sponsors 5 Message-ID: <20030403060955.3235.qmail@gacracker.org>   5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. 8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  < On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:  F >Please give us a break .. This is not some newsgroup you can befuddle4 >with pure fud to suit your own business strategies.  K I'd have to agree with that, I can't see Jon winning any new business here.    <snip>  7 >- UNIX (Linux) is good at some things) but not others. 2 >- OpenVMS is good at some things, but not others.  J Erm, I'd steal one of the oft-used lines from alt.hacker to sum that up...  < There are pros and cons to any choice of [OS/tool/language*] * delete as applicable.    <snip>  H I don't see the point posting long lists of marketing URLs here, and whyK can't they be changed from abc.def.hp.com/openvms to openvms.hp.com? They'd  be shorter and easier to find.     Doc. --  : Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 19:52:48 GMT + From: Joseph Norris <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net> & Subject: DBI prebuilt modules for perlD Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.40.0304021151570.3210-100000@bolt.sonic.net>   Hello,  ? Does anyone know where I can get pre-built DBI modules for perl  on VMS?    Thanks to all.  ; #Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is there?/Linux/CGI/Mysql) I print @c=map chr $_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8, C -68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90);    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:34:20 +0200( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>3 Subject: Do OpenVMS Alpha have a Year 2057 problem? : Message-ID: <MDEJJFGEEOPAFONJONBKOEPNCOAA.win@fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  J today I did show an OpenVMS novize the SET TIME command. Within the HELP IF did see that a legal year specification for Alpha is 1957 to 2056 (forE OpenVMS vax from 1858 to 9999). In case of this, my question is, does H OpenVMS AXP have a year 2057 problem? Or why do I have this restriction?  # TIA and best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 11:28:31 -0800 1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)  Subject: Free offer from TDI= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0304021128.6c3276e3@posting.google.com>   0 From: Rogers, Stacey [mailto:s_rogers@tditx.com]% Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:58 AM  To: Skonetski, Susan Subject: TDi Promotion     Hi Sue, E I wanted to let you know about TDi's new ConsoleWorks promotion until ? April 31st.  For HP GS 80/160/320 customers with an SMC, we are B offering a free ConsoleWorks Web Server and 8 connections with the? purchase of support, maintenance and one day of training.  I've C attached complete information about the offer to this email.  It is C available for internal and external use.  I hope that you are doing  well.   E Attachment removed by Sue Skonetski, instead please check out the URL # http://www.tditx.com/SMCFinal.html.     Regards, Stacey   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:46:27 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>$ Subject: Re: Getting an Alphastation) Message-ID: <3E8B3E13.7020806@vajhoej.dk>    Bradford J. Hamilton wrote: M >                                                           You may also want O > to check out the offerings at www.hpaq.net (formerly known as islandco).  Mr. Q > Turner is a "square dealer"; I use a PWS433au purchased from his company, and I  > am a satisfied customer.   Me too.    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 11:27:32 -0800 1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) 8 Subject: latest Business Critical Systems Customer Times= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0304021127.493ade76@posting.google.com>   B here is the pointer to the latest BCS Customer newsletter.  If you  need the PDF please let me know.  
 Warm Regards,  Sue      -----Original Message----- From: 	Malcuit, Pam   ( Sent:	Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:21 AM To:	HPSS NA D Subject:	RE: Announcement - Business Critical Systems Customer Times newsletter - April 2003   B BCS is pleased to announce the April 2003 quarterly edition of theA Business Critical Systems Customer Times newsletter (formerly the  Customer First Times).  ; The newsletter is available at: www.hp.com/go/customertimes   C If you have any comments or suggestions for future articles, please * send mail to: BCS.Customer-Feedback@hp.com   To  subscribe go to:@ <http://readerschoice.inline.cpqcorp.net/rcuser/rs.asp?sub=NS33>   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 01:58:09 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> < Subject: Re: latest Business Critical Systems Customer TimesG Message-ID: <RyMia.15138$pNv.9039@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0304021127.493ade76@posting.google.com... D > here is the pointer to the latest BCS Customer newsletter.  If you" > need the PDF please let me know. >  > Warm Regards,  > Sue  >  >  > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcuit, Pam* > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:21 AM
 > To: HPSS NA F > Subject: RE: Announcement - Business Critical Systems Customer Times > newsletter - April 2003  > D > BCS is pleased to announce the April 2003 quarterly edition of theC > Business Critical Systems Customer Times newsletter (formerly the  > Customer First Times). > = > The newsletter is available at: www.hp.com/go/customertimes  > E > If you have any comments or suggestions for future articles, please , > send mail to: BCS.Customer-Feedback@hp.com >  > To  subscribe go to:B > <http://readerschoice.inline.cpqcorp.net/rcuser/rs.asp?sub=NS33>    & Scott Stallard writes in this edition:> "Finally, a new feature of Customer Times is our "Ask an Exec"D section, wherein we'll endeavor to answer any questions you may haveC concerning HP products, solutions or customer evolution programs. I B encourage you to send us your questions, which we'll answer in theC next issue. My colleagues and I look forward to hearing about - and F replying to - whatever business critical systems questions are on your minds."     @ I wonder if they will answer questions in a lengthy and detailed7 manner about the lack of VMS marketing and advertising.  I intend to find out.   5 Send your VMS marketing and advertising questions to: @ BCS.Customer-Feedback@hp.com and cc: each member of the Board ofF Directors. I'd imagine that if they have HP e-mail addresses they'd be of the form first.last@hp.com       board of directors    Lawrence T. Babbio, Jr. F Age 57 Mr. Babbio has served as Vice Chairman and President of VerizonE Communications, Inc. (formerly Bell Atlantic Corporation) since 2000. D In 1997 he was elected President and Chief Operating Officer-NetworkD Group, and Chairman-Global Wireless Group of Bell Atlantic. In 1995,D he was elected Vice Chairman of Bell Atlantic. Mr. Babbio has been a? director of Compaq since 1995. Mr. Babbio is also a director of  ARAMARK Corporation.   Philip M. Condit Director since 1998 ? Age 60 Mr. Condit has been Chairman of The Boeing Company since A February 1997, its Chief Executive Officer since April 1996 and a D member of its board since 1992. He served as President of The Boeing1 Company from August 1992 until becoming Chairman.    Patricia C. Dunn Director since 1998 B Age 48 Ms. Dunn has been Global Chief Executive of Barclays Global@ Investors (BGI) since 1998 and its Co-Chairman from October 1995C through June 1999. Ms. Dunn oversees the activities and strategy of A BGI, the world's largest institutional investment manager, having B joined the firm's predecessor organization, Wells Fargo Investment Advisors, in 1978.   Carleton S. Fiorina  Director since 1999 E Age 47 Ms. Fiorina became Chairman of the Board in September 2000 and B was named President, Chief Executive Officer and director of HP in< July 1999. Prior to joining HP, she served as Executive Vice@ President, Computer Operations for Lucent Technologies, Inc. and@ oversaw the formation and spin-off of Lucent from AT&T. She alsoB served as Lucent's President, Global Service Provider Business andE President, Consumer Products. Ms. Fiorina is a member of the Board of   Directors of Cisco Systems, Inc.   Sam Ginn Director since 1996 F Age 64 Mr. Ginn served as Chairman of Vodafone AirTouch Plc from 1999,F following the merger of Vodafone and AirTouch, until his retirement inE May 2000. He was Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of E AirTouch from December 1993 to June 1999. Mr. Ginn is also a director 3 of ChevronTexaco Corporation and the Fremont Group.    Richard A. Hackborn  Director since 1992 E Age 64 Mr. Hackborn served as Chairman of the Board from January 2000 A to September 2000. He was HP's Executive Vice President, Computer D Products Organization from 1990 until his retirement in 1993 after aB 33-year career with our company. He is a director of the Boise Art Museum.    George A. Keyworth II  Director since 1986 @ Age 62 Dr. Keyworth has been Chairman and Senior Fellow with TheB Progress & Freedom Foundation, a public policy research institute,C since 1995. He is a director of General Atomics. Dr. Keyworth holds > various honorary degrees and is an honorary professor at Fudan3 University in Shanghai, People's Republic of China.    Robert E. Knowling, Jr.  Director since 2000 D Age 46 Mr. Knowling has been Chairman and Chief Executive Officer ofA Internet Access Technologies Inc., a software development company B specializing in ASP-based productivity suites provided through theE Internet, since February 2001. From July 1998 through October 2000 he A was President and Chief Executive Officer of Covad Communications E Company, a national broadband service provider of high speed Internet F and network access using DSL Technology. He also served as Chairman ofF Covad from September 1999 to October 2000. From 1997 though July 1998,E Mr. Knowling served as the Executive Vice President of Operations and > Technologies at US WEST Communications, Inc. Mr. Knowling is a> director of Ariba, Inc., Broadmedia Inc., Heidrick & Struggles8 International, Inc. and the Juvenile Diabetes FoundationC International. He also serves as a member of the advisory board for D both Northwestern University's Kellogg Graduate School of Management; and the University of Michigan Graduate School of Business.    Sanford M. LitvackF Age 65 Mr. Litvack is of counsel with the law firm of Dewey BallantineA LLP. Mr. Litvack served as Vice Chairman of the Board of The Walt D Disney Company from 1999 to 2000. From 1994 until his appointment asE Vice Chairman, he served as Senior Executive Vice President and Chief E of Corporate Operations. Prior to joining Disney in 1991, Mr. Litvack F was a member of the Executive Committee and Chairman of the LitigationF Department of Dewey Ballantine LLP. Mr. Litvack has been a director ofF Compaq since 2001. Mr. Litvack is also a director of PacifiCare HealthD Systems, Inc., Antigenics, Inc., Cyber Capital and EuroDisney S.C.A.   Thomas J. Perkins A Age 70  Mr. Perkins has been a General Partner of Kleiner Perkins C Caufield & Byers, a private investment partnership, since 1972, and C has served as either a general or limited partner of numerous funds A formed by Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers. Mr. Perkins served as C Chairman of the Board of Directors of Tandem Computers Incorporated E from 1974 until 1997. Mr. Perkins has been a director of Compaq since 0 1997. He is also a director of News Corporation.   Lucille S. SalhanyF Age 55 Ms. Salhany has been Chairman of LifeFX, Inc. since March 2002.D She was Co-President and Chief Operating Officer of LifeFX Networks,A Inc. since 1999. She was President and Chief Executive Officer of D JHMedia from 1997 to 1999. Ms. Salhany served as President and ChiefD Executive Officer of the United Paramount Network from 1994 to 1997.E From 1993 to 1994, she served as Chairman of FOX Broadcasting CompanyeE and from 1991 to 1993 she served as Chairman of Twentieth Century FoxiC Television. She was a member of the Board of Directors of Fox, Inc.oA from 1991 to 1993. Ms. Salhany has served as a director of Compaqk? since 1997. Ms. Salhany is also a director of Boston Restaurantn Associates, Inc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:51:39 +0100[% From: Alan Fay <alan.fay@veritas.com> 7 Subject: Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and conse4 Message-ID: <b6figv$4lq$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  6 The VERITAS NBU OpenVMS client will support the backup4 and restore of a bootable OpenVMS system disk in the/ next v4.5 MP4 (Maintenance Pack Four) release:-y  <  o  This release will backup and restore a bootable OpenVMS 7     system disk.  All alias directories, including the p?     SYSCOMMON.DIR directory which points to the VMS$COMMON.DIR f8     directory, are now backed up and restored correctly.7     System disk files that are required to be restored V6     contiguously are now restored as contiguous files.(     See Section 12 System Disk Backups.   :  o  Where possible this release will restore all files as 8     contiguous files. A complete restore of a disk will +     effectively defragment the entire disk.p  9  o  This release provides full support for OpenVMS ODS-5 .0     file systems (this is available now in MP3).  5 I will also point out that VERITAS NBU OpenVMS clientt< backups are very fast, especially over a gigabit connection.  ; Before you decide you may want to compare the backup times A= of VERITAS vs Legato (even when they are backing up to local R tape). S   Alan Fay VERITAS Software Corporation V Roseville EngineeringM   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:21:17 -0800M( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>7 Subject: Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and consS, Message-ID: <3E8B625D.2010707@NelsonUSA.com>   Alan Fay wrote:V8 > The VERITAS NBU OpenVMS client will support the backup6 > and restore of a bootable OpenVMS system disk in the1 > next v4.5 MP4 (Maintenance Pack Four) release:-p > > >  o  This release will backup and restore a bootable OpenVMS 9 >     system disk.  All alias directories, including the -A >     SYSCOMMON.DIR directory which points to the VMS$COMMON.DIR 2: >     directory, are now backed up and restored correctly.9 >     System disk files that are required to be restored D8 >     contiguously are now restored as contiguous files.  : Is there a bootable CD which will allow us to quickly do a; "bare metal" restore?   That is a key item.   Anything lessP is not nearly enough.V   Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 14:05:16 -0800M From: onedbguru@spacelots.com ) Subject: Re: MOD_SSL and MOD_AUTH_OPENVMSa= Message-ID: <8b9729f0.0304021405.17b6b9bb@posting.google.com>y   winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A1DC3E.06B53275@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>... > In article <00A1DC30.048CE6CA@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes: i > >In article <3E8A6535.85B044BA@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:1H > >>I keep getting a dialog box with the error [connection refused] evenK > >>though I get the standard SSL page when connecting to the IP:443 port. c > >>What am I missing here?t > >># > >><VirtualHost 192.168.1.200:443>t > >>    ServerAdmin me2 > >>    DocumentRoot /apache$common/htdocs/somedir  > >>    ServerName my.domain.com- > >>    ErrorLog logs/my_domain.com-error_logi6 > >>    CustomLog logs/my_domain.com-access_log common > >>    <Directory />  > >>    AllowOverride None > >>    Order allow,deny > >>    Allow from all > >>    AuthType Basic1 > >>    AuthName "Supply OS  UserID and Password"l > >>    AuthUserOpenVMS On > >>    require valid-user > >>    </Directory> > >></VirtualHost> > >m > >(Off the top of my head)  > >S0 > >Do you have  a Listen directive for port 443? > L > More relevantly, do you include mod_ssl.conf?  If so, how's it configured?1 > try putting SSLRequireSSL and see what happens.K > J > If you don't have mod_ssl.conf included and configured, then you're justQ > listening on 443 without running HTTPS, which might explain your error message./    F MOD_SSL has been configured with the default config.  It would be niceD to have a **WORKING** example of the httpd.conf+mod_ssl+whatever....F that shows a medium to complex configuration, but otherwise, we hae to* hack it to death until we get it to work..  7 That being said, where would one put the SSLRequireSSL?2     ## ##  non-SSL Mode ##> ##  If we want to run the SSL enabled server in a non-SSL mode? ##  then we need to define the SSLRandomSeed directive to allow( ##  for proper server startup. ## <IfDefine !SSL>s# ##    SSLRandomSeed startup builtine </IfDefine>a   ## ##  SSL Supportt ##5 ##  When we also provide SSL we have to listen to the.8 ##  standard HTTP port (see above) and to the HTTPS port ## <IfDefine SSL> ## ##  Load SSL modulet ##/ LoadModule ssl_module modules/mod_ssl.exe_alpha   
 Listen 443   ## ##  SSL Global Context ##9 ##  All SSL configuration in this context applies both tod6 ##  the main server and all SSL-enabled virtual hosts. ##   #.9 #   Some MIME-types for downloading Certificates and CRLsv #p' AddType application/x-x509-ca-cert .crt)' AddType application/x-pkcs7-crl    .crle   #   Pass Phrase Dialog:e0 #   Configure the pass phrase gathering process.9 #   The filtering dialog program (`builtin' is a internaln> #   terminal dialog) has to provide the pass phrase on stdout. SSLPassPhraseDialog  builtin    #   Inter-Process Session Cache:8 #   Configure the SSL Session Cache: First either `none'7 #   or `dbm:/path/to/file' for the mechanism to use and - #   second the expiring timeout (in seconds).r #SSLSessionCache        none3 #SSLSessionCache        shm:logs/ssl_scache(512000)e+ SSLSessionCache         dbm:logs/ssl_scacheS SSLSessionCacheTimeout  300e   #   Semaphore:< #   Configure the path to the mutual explusion semaphore theA #   SSL engine uses internally for inter-process synchronization.i
 SSLMutex  semr #SSLMutex  file:logs/ssl_mutex  * #   Pseudo Random Number Generator (PRNG):9 #   Configure one or more sources to seed the PRNG of theo@ #   SSL library. The seed data should be of good random quality.? #   WARNING! On some platforms /dev/random blocks if not enough2 entropy @ #   is available. This means you then cannot use the /dev/random deviceC #   because it would lead to very long connection times (as long asnB #   it requires to make more entropy available). But usually thoseF #   platforms additionally provide a /dev/urandom device which doesn'tC #   block. So, if available, use this one instead. Read the mod_ssle User #   Manual for more details. SSLRandomSeed startup builtind SSLRandomSeed connect builtina, #SSLRandomSeed startup file:/dev/random  512, #SSLRandomSeed startup file:/dev/urandom 512, #SSLRandomSeed connect file:/dev/random  512, #SSLRandomSeed connect file:/dev/urandom 512   #   Logging:> #   The home of the dedicated SSL protocol logfile. Errors are? #   additionally duplicated in the general error log file.  PutzA #   this somewhere where it cannot be used for symlink attacks onT= #   a real server (i.e. somewhere where only root can write). E #   Log levels are (ascending order: higher ones include lower ones):t* #   none, error, warn, info, trace, debug. SSLLog      logs/ssl_engine_logt SSLLogLevel trace  #                 info   ## ## SSL Virtual Host Contextb ## <VirtualHost _default_:443>t  % #  General setup for the virtual hosts$ DocumentRoot "/apache$common/htdocs" #ServerName new.host.name  ServerAdmin you@your.address ErrorLog logs/error_logy TransferLog logs/access_log.   #   SSL Engine Switch:- #   Enable/Disable SSL for this virtual host.s SSLEngine on   #   SSL Cipher Suite: ? #   List the ciphers that the client is permitted to negotiate.l6 #   See the mod_ssl documentation for a complete list.F #SSLCipherSuite ALL:!ADH:RC4+RSA:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:+LOW:+SSLv2:+EXP:+eNULL   #   Server Certificate:e> #   Point SSLCertificateFile at a PEM encoded certificate.  IfA #   the certificate is encrypted, then you will be prompted for a A #   pass phrase.  Note that a kill -HUP will prompt again. A testU> #   certificate can be generated with `make certificate' under@ #   built time. Keep in mind that if you've both a RSA and a DSAA #   certificate you can configure both in parallel (to also allowr! #   the use of DSA ciphers, etc.)r7 SSLCertificateFile /apache$root/conf/ssl_crt/server.crtt< #SSLCertificateFile /apache$root/conf/ssl_crt/server-dsa.crt   #   Server Private Key:t= #   If the key is not combined with the certificate, use this = #   directive to point at the key file.  Keep in mind that if = #   you've both a RSA and a DSA private key you can configurepA #   both in parallel (to also allow the use of DSA ciphers, etc.) : SSLCertificateKeyFile /apache$root/conf/ssl_key/server.key? #SSLCertificateKeyFile /apache$root/conf/ssl_key/server-dsa.key    #   Server Certificate Chain:D: #   Point SSLCertificateChainFile at a file containing the? #   concatenation of PEM encoded CA certificates which form the ? #   certificate chain for the server certificate. Alternatively = #   the referenced file can be the same as SSLCertificateFileu@ #   when the CA certificates are directly appended to the server  #   certificate for convinience.9 #SSLCertificateChainFile /apache$root/conf/ssl_crt/ca.crt.   #   Certificate Authority (CA):e= #   Set the CA certificate verification path where to find CA ? #   certificates for client authentication or alternatively one0? #   huge file containing all of them (file must be PEM encoded)w< #   Note: Inside SSLCACertificatePath you need hash symlinks= #         to point to the certificate files. Use the providede= #         Makefile to update the hash symlinks after changes.t/ #SSLCACertificatePath /apache$root/conf/ssl_crth= #SSLCACertificateFile /apache$root/conf/ssl_crt/ca-bundle.crtu  ' #   Certificate Revocation Lists (CRL):c? #   Set the CA revocation path where to find CA CRLs for clienti@ #   authentication or alternatively one huge file containing all& #   of them (file must be PEM encoded); #   Note: Inside SSLCARevocationPath you need hash symlinksa= #         to point to the certificate files. Use the provided-= #         Makefile to update the hash symlinks after changes.i. #SSLCARevocationPath /apache$root/conf/ssl_crl< #SSLCARevocationFile /apache$root/conf/ssl_crl/ca-bundle.crl  ! #   Client Authentication (Type): > #   Client certificate verification type and depth.  Types are; #   none, optional, require and optional_no_ca.  Depth is ae? #   number which specifies how deeply to verify the certificatet> #   issuer chain before deciding the certificate is not valid. #SSLVerifyClient require #SSLVerifyDepth  10o   #   Access Control: A #   With SSLRequire you can do per-directory access control based,> #   on arbitrary complex boolean expressions containing serverA #   variable checks and other lookup directives.  The syntax is ab> #   mixture between C and Perl.  See the mod_ssl documentation #   for more details.t
 #<Location />u3 #SSLRequire (    %{SSL_CIPHER} !~ m/^(EXP|NULL)-/ \ < #            and %{SSL_CLIENT_S_DN_O} eq "Snake Oil, Ltd." \B #            and %{SSL_CLIENT_S_DN_OU} in {"Staff", "CA", "Dev"} \: #            and %{TIME_WDAY} >= 1 and %{TIME_WDAY} <= 5 \C #            and %{TIME_HOUR} >= 8 and %{TIME_HOUR} <= 20       ) \e: #           or %{REMOTE_ADDR} =~ m/^192\.76\.162\.[0-9]+$/ #</Location>   #   SSL Engine Options:n+ #   Set various options for the SSL engine.1 #   o FakeBasicAuth:B #     Translate the client X.509 into a Basic Authorisation.  This
 means that> #     the standard Auth/DBMAuth methods can be used for access
 control.  Thet? #     user name is the `one line' version of the client's X.509t certificate.E #     Note that no password is obtained from the user. Every entry int the user0 #     file needs this password: `xxj31ZMTZzkVA'. #   o ExportCertData:u8 #     This exports two additional environment variables: SSL_CLIENT_CERT andiD #     SSL_SERVER_CERT. These contain the PEM-encoded certificates of theaA #     server (always existing) and the client (only existing wheni client= #     authentication is used). This can be used to import thew certificates #     into CGI scripts.s #   o StdEnvVars: C #     This exports the standard SSL/TLS related `SSL_*' environmenta
 variables.B #     Per default this exportation is switched off for performance reasons,B #     because the extraction step is an expensive operation and is usuallyaD #     useless for serving static content. So one usually enables the0 #     exportation for CGI and SSI requests only. #   o CompatEnvVars:> #     This exports obsolete environment variables for backward
 compatibilityiE #     to Apache-SSL 1.x, mod_ssl 2.0.x, Sioux 1.0 and Stronghold 2.x.s Use this7 #     to provide compatibility to existing CGI scripts.p #   o StrictRequire:E #     This denies access when "SSLRequireSSL" or "SSLRequire" applied/ evenE #     under a "Satisfy any" situation, i.e. when it applies access ish denied( #     and no other module can change it. #   o OptRenegotiate:wB #     This enables optimized SSL connection renegotiation handling when SSL3 #     directives are used in per-directory context. 9 #SSLOptions +FakeBasicAuth +ExportCertData +CompatEnvVars3 +StrictRequire <Files ~ "\.(cgi|shtml)$">     SSLOptions +StdEnvVars </Files>" <Directory "/apache$root/cgi-bin">     SSLOptions +StdEnvVars </Directory>   #   SSL Protocol Adjustments: F #   The safe and default but still SSL/TLS standard compliant shutdownE #   approach is that mod_ssl sends the close notify alert but doesn't  wait forA #   the close notify alert from client. When you need a differentn shutdown8 #   approach you can use one of the following variables: #   o ssl-unclean-shutdown: D #     This forces an unclean shutdown when the connection is closed, i.e. nooB #     SSL close notify alert is send or allowed to received.  This violatesF #     the SSL/TLS standard but is needed for some brain-dead browsers. Usei> #     this when you receive I/O errors because of the standard approach where+ #     mod_ssl sends the close notify alert.o #   o ssl-accurate-shutdown:E #     This forces an accurate shutdown when the connection is closed,  i.e. aD #     SSL close notify alert is send and mod_ssl waits for the close notifyC #     alert of the client. This is 100% SSL/TLS standard compliant,  but in? #     practice often causes hanging connections with brain-deadh
 browsers. Uset: #     this only for browsers where you know that their SSL implementation #     works correctly.C #   Notice: Most problems of broken clients are also related to the  HTTPD #   keep-alive facility, so you usually additionally want to disableE #   keep-alive for those clients, too. Use variable "nokeepalive" fora this.u? SetEnvIf User-Agent ".*MSIE.*" nokeepalive ssl-unclean-shutdownE   #   Per-Server Logging:t? #   The home of a custom SSL log file. Use this when you want au: #   compact non-error SSL logfile on a virtual host basis.  CustomLog logs/ssl_request_log \;           "%t %h %{SSL_PROTOCOL}x %{SSL_CIPHER}x \"%r\" %b"n   </VirtualHost> </IfDefine>e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 01:04:41 GMTdL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")) Subject: Re: MOD_SSL and MOD_AUTH_OPENVMS(6 Message-ID: <00A1DCC2.6A78189B@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  ] In article <8b9729f0.0304021405.17b6b9bb@posting.google.com>, onedbguru@spacelots.com writes:  >winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A1DC3E.06B53275@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...e >> In article <00A1DC30.048CE6CA@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:j >> >In article <3E8A6535.85B044BA@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:I >> >>I keep getting a dialog box with the error [connection refused] even L >> >>though I get the standard SSL page when connecting to the IP:443 port.  >> >>What am I missing here? >> >> $ >> >><VirtualHost 192.168.1.200:443> >> >>    ServerAdmin met3 >> >>    DocumentRoot /apache$common/htdocs/somedir ! >> >>    ServerName my.domain.coma. >> >>    ErrorLog logs/my_domain.com-error_log7 >> >>    CustomLog logs/my_domain.com-access_log commonL >> >>    <Directory /> >> >>    AllowOverride Nonex >> >>    Order allow,denyd >> >>    Allow from alle >> >>    AuthType Basicv2 >> >>    AuthName "Supply OS  UserID and Password" >> >>    AuthUserOpenVMS Ona >> >>    require valid-usere >> >>    </Directory>s >> >></VirtualHost>" >> > >> >(Off the top of my head) >> >1 >> >Do you have  a Listen directive for port 443?e >> OM >> More relevantly, do you include mod_ssl.conf?  If so, how's it configured?o2 >> try putting SSLRequireSSL and see what happens. >> vK >> If you don't have mod_ssl.conf included and configured, then you're justmR >> listening on 443 without running HTTPS, which might explain your error message. >, >eG >MOD_SSL has been configured with the default config.  It would be niceiE >to have a **WORKING** example of the httpd.conf+mod_ssl+whatever....dG >that shows a medium to complex configuration, but otherwise, we hae toh+ >hack it to death until we get it to work..  >e8 >That being said, where would one put the SSLRequireSSL?    K I'd put it inside the directory container along with the reqire valid-user.   K All that will do is produce 403 errors if you go at it without SSL enabled,d8 but that would at least tell you that's what's going on.  M On my system I don't make a separate VirtualHost for SSL.  I have stuff like:    <LocationMatch /protbin/>      SSLRequireSSL      AuthType Basic*     AuthName "SSRL OpenVMS authentication"     AuthUserOpenVMS On     require valid-user </LocationMatch>    J (This is the result of converting from OSU, where I had HTBIN and PROTBIN.N This requires the use of SSL so that my username/passwords can't be snooped inN the clear; if I have a program requiring that kind of authoriztion I put it in the protbin directory.)   A The settings in the default mod_ssl.conf are pretty much correct.      -- Alan   O ===============================================================================u0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025eO ===============================================================================n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 03:06:13 GMTo1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>l) Subject: Re: MOD_SSL and MOD_AUTH_OPENVMS 2 Message-ID: <3E8BA511.A432021E@firstdbasource.com>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > _ > In article <8b9729f0.0304021405.17b6b9bb@posting.google.com>, onedbguru@spacelots.com writes:s > >winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A1DC3E.06B53275@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...e > >> In article <00A1DC30.048CE6CA@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:l > >> >In article <3E8A6535.85B044BA@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:K > >> >>I keep getting a dialog box with the error [connection refused] eveneM > >> >>though I get the standard SSL page when connecting to the IP:443 port.n > >> >>What am I missing here? > >> >>o& > >> >><VirtualHost 192.168.1.200:443> > >> >>    ServerAdmin me 5 > >> >>    DocumentRoot /apache$common/htdocs/somediru# > >> >>    ServerName my.domain.coma0 > >> >>    ErrorLog logs/my_domain.com-error_log9 > >> >>    CustomLog logs/my_domain.com-access_log commont > >> >>    <Directory /> > >> >>    AllowOverride Nonel > >> >>    Order allow,deny  > >> >>    Allow from alls > >> >>    AuthType Basic 4 > >> >>    AuthName "Supply OS  UserID and Password" > >> >>    AuthUserOpenVMS One > >> >>    require valid-user1 > >> >>    </Directory>S > >> >></VirtualHost>2 > >> > > >> >(Off the top of my head) > >> >3 > >> >Do you have  a Listen directive for port 443?o > >>O > >> More relevantly, do you include mod_ssl.conf?  If so, how's it configured?-4 > >> try putting SSLRequireSSL and see what happens. > >>M > >> If you don't have mod_ssl.conf included and configured, then you're justsT > >> listening on 443 without running HTTPS, which might explain your error message. > >  > > I > >MOD_SSL has been configured with the default config.  It would be niceUG > >to have a **WORKING** example of the httpd.conf+mod_ssl+whatever....aI > >that shows a medium to complex configuration, but otherwise, we hae tof- > >hack it to death until we get it to work..r > >d: > >That being said, where would one put the SSLRequireSSL? > M > I'd put it inside the directory container along with the reqire valid-user.r > M > All that will do is produce 403 errors if you go at it without SSL enabled,e: > but that would at least tell you that's what's going on. > O > On my system I don't make a separate VirtualHost for SSL.  I have stuff like:  >  > <LocationMatch /protbin/>o >     SSLRequireSSL- >     AuthType Basic, >     AuthName "SSRL OpenVMS authentication" >     AuthUserOpenVMS On >     require valid-user > </LocationMatch>  ? My server currently hosts 10-12 "virtual" host sites and I only.G wanted/needed SSL on one of them... which is also why I have a seperatedE virtualhosts.conf file that gets included in the httpd configuration.a   > L > (This is the result of converting from OSU, where I had HTBIN and PROTBIN.P > This requires the use of SSL so that my username/passwords can't be snooped inP > the clear; if I have a program requiring that kind of authoriztion I put it in > the protbin directory.)r > C > The settings in the default mod_ssl.conf are pretty much correct.  > 	 > -- AlanM > Q > ===============================================================================o2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUO >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056mO >  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   940250Q > ===============================================================================r  E Thanks for the help...  I finally got it to work by having an virtual F host in both the httpd (port 80) and the mod_ssl.conf (port 443).  The= http: site will redirect to the https: site ensuring that allgB transactions are secure. The next piece will be to add a group and? username/pwd file to the configuration.  Since I am using BasicTE encoding, I am guessing that this can be accomplished via perl with anD base64 encoding script to provide "some" security from curious eyes.  # Again, Alan, thanks for the help.    -- l Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163l7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comv   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 19:11:28 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.netu Subject: Mystery SBB1 Message-ID: <ABGia.28$bg6.7@nwrddc04.gnilink.net>i  : I have an SBB with the part number 30-45532-01.  The front; of the SBB has a 34-pin connector, and the only description8: I've found is SBB 1.44 FDD.  I've opened the SBB and found7 a DSP, MPEG converter, and some other IC I believe is a.5 video converter, so I'm not sure this is simply a FDD  adapter in an SBB.   Can anyone identify this SBB?o --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.netw   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 14:46:37 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)Y Subject: Re: Mystery solved? (Re: [Q] Files not found during image backup, w/ and  w/o di-= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0304021446.6ad45983@posting.google.com>o  Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3E8A8ACD.85760065@127.0.0.1>...- > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > w > > spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0303211500.3ab58fcf@posting.google.com>...o >  > 3 > Clarification: we're talking BACKUP/IMAGE here...r >  > A > > 1. BACKUP performs a scan of INDEXF.SYS to build a file list.  > J > Yes, and this doesn't change. BACKUP "snapshots" the disc when it scans,? > and this list does not alter even if files are added/removed.r > F > > 2. BACKUP begins walking the directory structure and saving files,I > > marking the corresponding entry for each saved file in the index list. > > as saved as it goes along. > G > Not quite. BACKUP does not take account of any files added or removedo1 > since the BACKUP command and the scan happened.t    = Yes, I know. I thought that was consistent with what I said. >     J > > 3. BACKUP encounters directory XX.DIR and starts reading its contents. > > @ > > 4. BACKUP reads the file id for XXMONREM.LOG;2087 in XX.DIR. > H > No, it got this from the BACKUP initialization right at the beginning.J > File IDs come from the indexf.sys, the directory contents are arbitrary.    F But doesn't it have to match the file id from INDEXF.SYS with the fileD id in the .DIR file? How else would BACKUP know during the directory/ walk which file to match up with in INDEXF.SYS?     8 > > 5. XXMONREM purges away XXMONREM.LOG;2087 and ;2086. > > E > > 6. BACKUP continues reading information from XX.DIR, but ;2086 is:6 > > already gone, so BACKUP doesn't find it in XX.DIR. > F > Yes and no. The directory structure only appears to affect the orderJ > that files are stored in. Any files added will not be backed up. Try it.    F I did a while ago because of another thread. I used SHOW DEVICES/FILESD to watch the INDEXF.SYS pass, and after it, added a file, and lo andF behold, it did not get saved. But I don't see what that has to do with my comments here.   < My impression based on a post from circa 1992 was that afterF BACKUP/IMAGE builds a list of files from INDEXF.SYS, BACKUP then walksD the directory structure and copies files in "directory order" to theC save set. As it saves each file, it sets a bit for that file in theoB index, and of course, if that file is not found in the index, that file is not saved.   So to rephrase 5 and 6:w  4 5. XXMONREM purges away XXMONREM.LOG;2087 and ;2086.  > 6. BACKUP finishes reading the .DIR file, assembling a list ofF filenames and file ids. By some strange quirk of timing, it managed toC read the filename and file id for ;2087, but not for ;2086. THEN it E proceeded to copy files from that directory to the save set. Since it F had ;2087, but not ;2086 in its memory of what was listed in that .DIR? file, it tried to copy ;2087, hence the error message about nota@ finding [XX]XXMONREM.LOG;2087, but it didn't have ;2086 as beingB listed in that .DIR file, so there was no attempt to copy that and0 therefore no error message for it at this point.    nF > > 7. BACKUP attempts to copy the files it found in [XX] to tape, but5 > > can't find XXMONREM.LOG;2087, so it reports it asf$ > > [XX]XXMONREM.LOG;2087 not found. > = > Well, all the files when it did the initial INDEXF.SYS scane    F Yes, and that included both ;2087 and ;2086; hence, both are listed asC not found in the format []XXMONREM.LOG;2087, ;2086. This happens atoF the end, after the directory walk. My current understanding is that atE this point, BACKUP attempts to save any files from the index it builti= at the beginning that were not marked off as saved during the9F directory walk, thus any files not enetered in any directory are savedC and listed as []filename.typ. If any of these last-chance files are8F not found, we get the error message []filename.typ not found for each.    * > > 8. BACKUP finishes its directory walk. > G > No, that's not how an image backup works. It only walks the directory ! > for the Save order (I believe).n    C Doesn't it copy the files to the save set as it does this directorynC walk? I suppose the directory walk could be done for the whole disk D first, then the files are copied to the save set based on that list.D But still, the directory walk list somehow found ;2087 but not ;2086F due to just the right timing of those files being purged away for that
 to happen.    H > > 9. BACKUP checks its index list of files for any that were not savedJ > > during the directory walk and finds that XXMONREM.LOG;2087, ;2086 wereI > > not saved, so it attempts to save them now. It can't find either, and H > > since it didn't find them in any directory during the directory walk- > > it reports both of them as being in "[]".G > I > No. I'm not certain of the right way it does this (no backup internals)rE > however BACKUP will report the error message when it encounters thea> > problem, and retain as a final exit status the 'worst' errorF > encountered. BACKUP stores away only the file ID, the reason it saysJ > "[]" is because it never had any record of the directory location of the > file, which has now gone.r    ' I thought that that's what I just said.y     J > > Does this seem like a reasonable possibility? (The backup runs at base< > > priority of 3 and XXMONREM.CTL runs at base priority 2.) > E > Priorities don't necessarily mean something happens in a particularm > order.    ? Yes, but I mentioned them just in case someone found them to ben relevant or wanted to know.i    eI > If you kick off an image backup on a disk, then create a new file after J > the backup starts writing to tape, you'll find the newly created file isH > not backed up. Prove this using /RECORD or trying to restore the file.J > Note that BACKUP record dates are all identical, i.e. the date/time when > the indexf.sys scan happened.n    A Yes, but here it looks like to me that as BACKUP was perusing theI@ directory structure and copying files to the save set, the filesE XXMONREM.LOG;2087 and ;2086 were purged away after BACKUP found ;2087FD listed in the .DIR file but before it found ;2086 listed in the .dir file.i   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman,   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:08:33 +0200% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>s+ Subject: Re: New SPAWN behavior with V7.3-19, Message-ID: <3e8b34ee$1@news.swissonline.ch>  H Thanks Guy for this explanation. Does it have negative effects, if I set/ this back to old behaviour by SYSGEN Parameter?o   regards    Jakobo      / "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote in messagen  news:3E8AEB4E.ABFC2C34@hp.com...I > Instead of creating process name sequentially , i.e SYSTEM_1, SYSTEM_2,sF > we now generate a random number between 0-255. So your first spawned processe > might be called SYSTEM_57. >n > Guy Pelego > OpenVMS DCL Engineering  >L > Jakob Erber wrote: >kK > > > VMS V7.3-1 changes aspects of SPAWNing subprocesses.  My question is:  IsK > > > there any mechanism (SYSGEN parameter or other device) to revert backm the  > > > old behavior?  > >i( > > I wonder, how the behaviour changed? > > regardsn > > 	 > > JakobC >o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:28:01 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> + Subject: Re: New SPAWN behavior with V7.3-1c$ Message-ID: <3e8b39c1$1@news.si.com>  % >I wonder, how the behaviour changed?P  I Instead of creating new subprocess names sequentially (i.e. USER, USER_!,eD USER_2, USER_3, etc.), VMS V7.3-1 creates them randomly (i.e., USER,F USER_154, USER_42, USER_87, etc.).  This speeds up the creation of theL subprocess because the SPAWN code won't have to search as many process names& before finding one that doesn't exist. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot coms5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.7@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991t8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 19:10 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)o+ Subject: Re: New SPAWN behavior with V7.3-1C, Message-ID: <2APR200319100025@gerg.tamu.edu>  d In article <3e8b39c1$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes...& }>I wonder, how the behaviour changed? } J }Instead of creating new subprocess names sequentially (i.e. USER, USER_!,E }USER_2, USER_3, etc.), VMS V7.3-1 creates them randomly (i.e., USER,oG }USER_154, USER_42, USER_87, etc.).  This speeds up the creation of thesM }subprocess because the SPAWN code won't have to search as many process names ' }before finding one that doesn't exist.- }-- J }Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com  J If you never have more than one around at a time then it isn't any faster,G it's slower. It may not be faster if you have two. If you have several,I then it will be faster.l  J Generating a random number, which is not free but not very computationallyK expensive either, and checking to see if the name matches an existing name,p: starting over if it does, etc., then creating the process.   vs.t  G Checking to see if _1 exists then, if it does, going to _2 and checking$) that, etc, and then creating the process.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:44:34 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com>e0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!!$ Message-ID: <3e8b3da2$1@news.si.com>   >Click > $ >http://www.consolut.com/openvms.htm  > Looks like a trade mark violation to me!  Call out the hounds! -- sI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comi5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.V@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991o8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:50:37 -0500! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>a0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!!K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BE4@rlghncst964.usps.gov><   That's nothing.      This would be a twofer:f   http://www.alphavax.com/   >Click > $ >http://www.consolut.com/openvms.htm  > Looks like a trade mark violation to me!  Call out the hounds! -- pI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comM5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.e@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991i8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ========================  William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annexh, 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874  > 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:10:32 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!!/ Message-ID: <3E8B43B4.57994E3A@vl.videotron.ca>p   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > Clickd > % > http://www.consolut.com/openvms.htm3   LOL.   I like:o   ##L OpenVMS is an open-architecture system for Microsoft NT/SQL environments.  ##  D When I worked at a bank, they used an Ultrix solution on VAX for the vault/cash management.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:49:50 GMTW# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!!H Message-ID: <yGKia.13936$xD7.11011@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message>) news:3E8B43B4.57994E3A@vl.videotron.ca...n > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > 	 > > Click  > >s' > > http://www.consolut.com/openvms.htm8 >2 > LOL. > 	 > I like:r >i > ##? > OpenVMST is an open-architecture system for Microsoft NT/SQLr
 environments.c > ##    F HP (corporate) won't do anything...they don't care one iota about VMS.  D OpenVMS engineering does care, but they are powerless to do anythingB except hunker down in their cubicles and spend all the money Intel2 gave them. Heaven help them when that's all spent.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 18:07:59 -0800 1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)f0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!!= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0304021807.2e9d3bb2@posting.google.com>l  N Just so the newsgroup is aware, HP Law has been informed.  We are trademarked.  
 Warm Regards,  Sue   v Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message news:<20030402112209.49269.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>... > Clickl > % > http://www.consolut.com/openvms.htme > 	 > Regardsi >  > FC u >  > =====t > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazilm > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and moreu > http://tax.yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 11:31:08 -0800c1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) ( Subject: OpenVMS Pearl for Wed April 2nd= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0304021131.29b8fb2f@posting.google.com>n   -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan n' Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:36 AMP To: Skonetski, Susan> Subject: OpenVMS Pearl - Wednesday April 2nd - OK for external distribution    . The following was sent me by a VMS customer.    - So what do VMS people talk about a parties.  l  , This customer even makes his own VMS Shirts.  
 Warm Regards,t Sue#  < ____________________________________________________________  D I get that a lot at some of the parties I go to. I'll wear something5 that mentions VMS on it, and the conversation usuallyf > goes like this...  > 9 > OtherGuy: Hiya. Noticed your VMS shirt. Cool. I used to " > work with that. It still around?< > Me: Yep. We use it in production everyday for stock market0 > stuff at work where downtime is not an option.< > OG: Really? I thought it was dead. They stopped developing > it, right?= > Me: Nope. As a matter of fact they're finishing the port toi > the Intel 64 bit platform.> > OG: Geez, the place I used to work for was convinced that it8 > was a goner and ported to (insert lame solution here).! > Me: So how is that working out? ? > OG: After (insert large multiyear time reference) were almosto$ > to where we were when we left VMS.@ > Me: So you can do multi-site, multi-city, single coherent data/ > and system image with (insert lame solution)?n? > OG: Kind of. After spending (insert dollar amount that in theG< > long run is probably about four to six times the VMS cost), > we have replication and a hotsite working.- > Me: How long does it take you to fail over?  > OG: We don't know, really. > Me: Sounds nerve racking.mA > OG: Now that you mention it, it is. You guys wouldn't be hiringa > would you? > Me: 'fraid not.k >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:46:04 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t, Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl for Wed April 2ndG Message-ID: <0DKia.14214$pNv.8854@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>e  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0304021131.29b8fb2f@posting.google.com...l > -----Original Message----- > From: Skonetski, Susan) > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:36 AMu > To: Skonetski, Susan@ > Subject: OpenVMS Pearl - Wednesday April 2nd - OK for external > distribution >d >i. > The following was sent me by a VMS customer. >s- > So what do VMS people talk about a parties.a >c. > This customer even makes his own VMS Shirts. >y > Warm Regards,  > Sueo >e> > ____________________________________________________________ >oF > I get that a lot at some of the parties I go to. I'll wear something7 > that mentions VMS on it, and the conversation usuallyV > > goes like this...# > >r; > > OtherGuy: Hiya. Noticed your VMS shirt. Cool. I used toh$ > > work with that. It still around?> > > Me: Yep. We use it in production everyday for stock market2 > > stuff at work where downtime is not an option.> > > OG: Really? I thought it was dead. They stopped developing > > it, right?? > > Me: Nope. As a matter of fact they're finishing the port toh > > the Intel 64 bit platform.@ > > OG: Geez, the place I used to work for was convinced that it: > > was a goner and ported to (insert lame solution here).# > > Me: So how is that working out? A > > OG: After (insert large multiyear time reference) were almosth& > > to where we were when we left VMS.B > > Me: So you can do multi-site, multi-city, single coherent data1 > > and system image with (insert lame solution)?tA > > OG: Kind of. After spending (insert dollar amount that in the > > > long run is probably about four to six times the VMS cost). > > we have replication and a hotsite working./ > > Me: How long does it take you to fail over?e > > OG: We don't know, really. > > Me: Sounds nerve racking.tC > > OG: Now that you mention it, it is. You guys wouldn't be hiringk > > would you? > > Me: 'fraid not.t > >e    F But if HP were marketing OpenVMS there would be LOTS of companies that" would be hiring former-VMS talent.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:28:32 GMTA& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retaie8 Message-ID: <49lm8vcpj5rg3773f1n31af8in22kakr72@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:05:29 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancye. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:     >> h >> oG >> Um... they are apparently happy enough with it to standardize on it.tI >> Or do you have some evidence or proof that that statement is not true?p >> d >> h >e6 >No I am sure that they did get 28% better throughput,4 >the question which you havn't answered is what were >they measuring ?C >e2 >Was it 28% for the upgrade to G160 and 7.3 or 7.3: >by itself and if the latter then what was the improvement) >when moving to GS160 from a Turbolaser ?g >l: >The article doesn't say, it has two events GS upgrade and& >OS upgrade and one perfomance number. > = >If you cannot clarify this then you cannot use the reference  >to support your case.  A Well, the article attributes the 28% to the OpenVMS upgrade.  ThetE hardware change isn't relevant because I'm not making claims that thel hardware is x% faster.  E My claim, once again, is that we do have customers who are happy withCD their GS systems, and some even run database applications.  You haveF consistenly argued that this can't be true, based on industry standardE benchmarks.  And I keep saying that the benchmarks <> the real world, C and this is one example of a customer who is happy with the result.e  ; In that respect, yes I can use it as a reference because itoD demonstrates a happy customer.  The performance numbers given aren't relevant to my point.t     >>1 >>>But Oracle applications performance wasn't oney >>>of them.  >> s >>  F >> And you know this how?  You talk as if you have real information on9 >> this, but you offer nothing but your own conjecture.    >> r >aG >Well except that on the standard Oracle Applications capacity planninge@ >throughput test the GS320 is easily outperformed by smaller and. >much less expensive servers from IBM and Sun. > ? >Now what value is there in being more costly and slower if you 5 >can explain that then fine but I suspect you can''t.x  D Once again, you draw a conclusion from "standard Oracle Applications= capacity plannign throughput test", but ignore the real-worldCE insistence of a happy customer.  Your documentation of standard tests"@ is fine as a source for some comparisons, but it does nothing toA disprove that these people can't be happy with the performance of_4 their oracle applications in this specific instance.   >_F >> The question is NOT how it performs compared to other vendors.  TheC >> question is "does it provide the service level that the business H >> requires."  That's the question that business really cares about, andD >> apparenlty it must provide the service level, or they wouldn't be >> buying more of them.d >>   >uB >No thats just the point, many customers stick with one vendor whoC >gradually drops off the technology curve. Each new server producedr> >by the vendor is slightly better than the one before but when= >compared with other systems on the market isn't competitive.u  B But they are HAPPY CUSTOMERS according to the article.  Unless youA have some evidence that proves otherwise, why would you insist onr  arguing against their judgement?   >sA >The customer convinces themselves that 28% is a good performancen> >uplift for a new high end product and life goes on. Sadly the= >customer has just spent more and got less than they could ofr. >if they looked outside their prefered vendor.  E Whatever.  You can't possibly have enough information to substantiatepE this claim for this customer.  You'll have to forgive those of us who ? are willing to accept that they are capable of making the righteB decisions for their business in spite of not consulting you first.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:46:01 -0500 ' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com> " Subject: Re: Overuse of LIB$SPAWN?= Message-ID: <u7Hia.241$35.1130@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>m   Cheryl Hoefelmeyer wrote:r\ > Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote in message news:<3E889AA0.10600@NelsonUSA.com>... >  >>Jack Patteeuw wrote: >> >>>a >>>Cheryl Hoefelmeyer wrote: >>>  >>>sH >>>>For example, they would rather spawn a subprocess to call SORT/MERGE+ >>>>than use the utility inside a program. t >>>eJ >>>The callable interface to SORT is "not intuitively obvious to the most K >>>casual observer", but as everyone one else has said it is significantly R >>>more efficient. >  > H > With that in mind, I've written a very simple function for them to useG > for the most common sort they'd need and an include file with all thesC > declarations and key buffer record set up. All they have to do isnH > populate the key buffer and pass it and the filenames to the function.H > It is not as versatile as calling the routines yourself, but is simple- > enough that maybe I can get them to use it.e >  > E >>Back in the days of BASIC-Plus under RSX-11M on the PDP-11, I wouldeH >>create an indexed RMS file and PUT records to it.   When done, I couldH >>just read them back in sorted order.   Very inefficient, but it worked >>when nothing else would. >  > D > If it's a small enough file, I've used indexed files, too, but theF > ones we're dealing with here are on the order of 500,000+ blocks, so* > unfortunately, that won't work too well. >  > F >>When I ported the applications to VMS, everything was so much fasterE >>that nobody noticed the overhead.   I was tempted to just leave theoE >>old code alone.   However, the next time I needed sorted records, ImD >>"bit the bullet" and learned how to use the SOR$ routines.   I wasG >>*amazed* at how fast it was!   That small learning curve has paid for $ >>itself many times over since then. >  > B > Yes, I don't understand why they're being resistant to learning.G > Although I'm wondering if they're so spawn-happy because many of themn  > came from a Unix background...  C And depending on what you are doing in Unix, I wouldn't say that a eB compiled program that did a lot of fork/exec's and calls to other J external Unix commands would probably be a questionable way to go as well.  F I'm inclined to wonder abit, in either environment, at this mentality H though I don't know the entire problem in consideration so it's hard to C completely critique the approach.  Most of the times I've seen VMS -B programmers use LIB$SPAWN extensively, the inclination was pretty E directly proportional to how much they really knew of VMS, which was M! usually somewhat scant knowledge.g  I Anyway...  Even if LIB$SPAWN *does* have to be called, there are ways to 0F be very efficient with it.  One way is to create a process once, then @ maintain it as a slave process that hangs around and takes (and G executes) DCL commands that are passed to it from a mailbox.  Examples   of this kind of thing abound:A  2 call SYS$CREMBX (assigns a channel to the mailbox)L call LIB$SPAWN (use CLI$M_NOWAIT flag and point SYS$INPUT to mailbox device)= /* Send as many DCL commands as you want to the mailbox... */u write chan "SET NOON"I write chan "SORT FILE1 FILE2"  write chan "SORT FILE3 FILE4"e write chan "SORT FILE5 FILE6"n0 write chan "EXIT" (DCL sub-process goes bye-bye)< call SYS$DASSGN (mailbox goes bye, bye if temporary mailbox)  F The age old adage with LIB$SPAWN is: If you have a hammer, everything  looks like a nail...   ChrisS -----m Chris Oliveo Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services CorporationC Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec(AT)indy(DOT)raytheon(DOT)com   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 11:30:09 -0800>1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)> Subject: Perl 5.6-1 ECO Kitr= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0304021130.62acd45b@posting.google.com>e  8 New Perl 5.6-1 ECO Kit for OpenVMS (PERL561_UPDATE V2.0)8 --------------------------------------------------------  4 PERL561_UPDATE V2.0 corrects the following problems:  +       1. C Runtime environment not searcheds  A       When a sub process running Perl is created from a C program B       and the C program sets up a series of environment variables.?       The search in the sub process ends with logical names andm6       does not proceed into the C runtime environment.  6       2. FIND.PM has possible invalid directory syntax  >       In the subroutine _find_dir a "chdir" is issued to a subA       directory specification.  If the the directory name happenseA       to be a logical name, the resulting SET DEFAULT goes to theaA       wrong directory.  This was fixed by adding "./" in front oft&       the sub directory specification.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 APR 2003 22:44:44 GMTs4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)# Subject: Power cord length for EVA?g5 Message-ID: <2APR03.22444465@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>t  G Can anyone tell me what the power cord length of an EVA cabinet is (theeC U.S. version with L6-30P plug). I'd been told 3 feet by our storage A engineer but I have a hard time believing that. I'd like a second ' opinion (I can't find it in the specs).O   Thanks.    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonr8 --                 karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 03:09:36 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> 6 Subject: Re: Samba on VMS Get_Hostbyname error message2 Message-ID: <3E8BA5DC.E977F0D1@firstdbasource.com>  
 Roggen wrote:o > F > We are tyring to run samba version 1.9.7v4 on VMS.  When samba triesG > to start, it creates an error message: "Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host.N  > HOSTNAME" in the log.nmb file.F > The hostname for this computer is "HOSTNAME.ORG."  We're not sure ifE > having this kind of hostname for the VMS system is a problem.  Does0E > anyone have any ideas as to what this error message means and if itc- > does have anything to do with the hostname.  > G > Also, when running the smbstatus, we get an error message that reads:dC > "Couldn't open status file /samba_root/var/locks/STATUS..LCK.  WepA > think this might be because samba isn't really running and thatRE > smbstatus can only be used when samba is actually running.  Is thiss > true?:  A sounds like a problem I had a while back with an older version ofDH Multinet.  It would be helpful if you would provide  the VMS version and IP stack/version you are using.) -- e Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:34:41 -0400o0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Second IP address/ Message-ID: <3E8B495B.8618EF10@vl.videotron.ca>    Hans Vlems wrote: J > $ tcpip set inter wea0/host=10.0.0.19/net=255.255.255.0/broad=10.0.0.255  M > Is there a way to have the second IP address added at boot time (other thanm3 > putting the TCPIP command in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM) ?c    P  $ tcpip set inter wea0/host=10.0.0.19/net=255.255.255.0/broad=10.0.0.255  /PERM  / some of the TCPIP command need SET CONF command>+ other TCPIP commands need SET command /PERMS  G HELP SET CONF and HELP command will usually reveal which one is needed.r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:10:40 -0500, From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>  Subject: Sending Email to Island. Message-ID: <v8mv7i32vti08@news.supernews.com>  J Due to the fact that all our messages are currently forwarding to numerousI people and that our email is popping and imaping, we must request that IF L you send us an email, you MUST include your email address in the body of the email. If not, we cannot respond.   Thanks   David Turner   -- David B Turner Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404I Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 2010402 http://www.islandco.com  dbturner@islandco.come   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 11:36:38 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)4 Subject: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304021136.3bcaf50d@posting.google.com>a  6 this eweek article confirms what I expected, just like3 when you run emulation mode on an AS400 w/system3x,d6 you kill the processor by 50% ... and it looks this is2 also the case with AMD ... the lesson here is that7 emulation mode always kills a processor ... excerpt ...    Sun Looking to AMD for 64-Bite By Peter Galli  A Sun Microsystems Inc. has no plans to support Linux or Solaris on @ Intel Corp. Itanium systems, but the company is evaluating AMD's: upcoming Opteron processors, Sun officials said on Monday.B "We are not seeing or hearing anything from our customers and ISVsD that indicates they want or need Itanium. But we are seeing interestE for the upcoming Opteron processor family, essentially because it has.B 32-node compatibility, which Itanium doesn't," said John Loiacono,2 vice president of Sun's operating platforms group.  C "They talk about 'compatibility mode,' but everything we've seen sorC far and every ISV we've talked to about compatibility mode has saideB there's a huge overhead associated with that, it's running at less& than acceptable performance," he said.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:09:35 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...2 Message-ID: <xCSdnd02joTg3hajXTWc3w@metrocast.net>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message=7 news:d7791aa1.0304021136.3bcaf50d@posting.google.com...t8 > this eweek article confirms what I expected, just like5 > when you run emulation mode on an AS400 w/system3x,e8 > you kill the processor by 50% ... and it looks this is > also the case with AMD  D No, Bob:  you're just continuing your near 0.000 batting average forI competency.  If you actually *read* the article, you'd have seen that thecJ 32-bit performance being denigrated is Itanic's, not Opteron's (and if youG had the slightest clue about Opteron you'd know that its 32-bit SPECintdJ performance at 2 GHz is faster than the fastest current Pentium's, whereasK according to HP Itanic2's performance on 32-bit code is more like a 300 MHzw
 Pentium Pro).c   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:11:15 -0500$ From: "rob kas" <rob@netcarrier.net>8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility .../ Message-ID: <v8mhi9igan35af@corp.supernews.com>-                    Bob  7           You should read articles all the way through.fK           It's IA64 that's Slow   , AMD  Opteron's  Performance is right upa with the fastest P4.  2                                                Rob            5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0304021136.3bcaf50d@posting.google.com...-8 > this eweek article confirms what I expected, just like5 > when you run emulation mode on an AS400 w/system3x,:8 > you kill the processor by 50% ... and it looks this is4 > also the case with AMD ... the lesson here is that9 > emulation mode always kills a processor ... excerpt ...2 >. > Sun Looking to AMD for 64-BitA > By Peter Galli >>C > Sun Microsystems Inc. has no plans to support Linux or Solaris onlB > Intel Corp. Itanium systems, but the company is evaluating AMD's< > upcoming Opteron processors, Sun officials said on Monday.D > "We are not seeing or hearing anything from our customers and ISVsF > that indicates they want or need Itanium. But we are seeing interestG > for the upcoming Opteron processor family, essentially because it has D > 32-node compatibility, which Itanium doesn't," said John Loiacono,4 > vice president of Sun's operating platforms group. >sE > "They talk about 'compatibility mode,' but everything we've seen sotE > far and every ISV we've talked to about compatibility mode has saidsD > there's a huge overhead associated with that, it's running at less( > than acceptable performance," he said.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:51:32 -0500A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>i8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ..., Message-ID: <3e8b4d55_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  L The *real* story here is potential for the impending death of Sparc.  If SunB embraces Opteron, why would they continue to throw money at Sparc?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:35:59 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...2 Message-ID: <DrWdnb3CAcZA7hajXTWc3Q@metrocast.net>  L "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote in message& news:3e8b4d55_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com...J > The *real* story here is potential for the impending death of Sparc.  If SunoD > embraces Opteron, why would they continue to throw money at Sparc?  K 1.  Because they're not as stupid as cHumPaq, and are hardly about to forceXD their loyal and decidedly numerous customers to migrate to somethingC incompatible away from a platform that clearly they like just fine.e  H 2.  Because they actually have a moderately promising future planned forI SPARC, eschewing absolute single-thread performance (where it was never arG leader anyway) for chip-level multi-processors where SPARC's relatively H light appetite for both power and chip area make it a clear multi-threadL (i.e., server) performance leader over any Itanic yet even rumored let alone officially described.X  K 3.  Because while Opteron is a very attractive platform in many respects ittF remains to be seen whether Sun's customer base will prefer it to SPARCE (leaving aside any doubts about AMD's future), hence continuing SPARC2J development until such a preference becomes obvious (if it ever does) is aL no-brainer (of course, that didn't stop Compaq from axing Alpha development,J but whatever corporate brains Compaq ever had seem to have departed around the time Pfeiffer did).]   Any other questions?   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 19:32:02 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304021932.12448582@posting.google.com>;  m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0304021136.3bcaf50d@posting.google.com>...a > Sun Looking to AMD for 64-Bitt > By Peter Galli  I URL for the article is http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,986425,00.aspM   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:06:18 -0500! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>hN Subject: Re: SYSTARTUP_VMS (was: Three questions re: the VMS startup proce	ss)K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BE3@rlghncst964.usps.gov>y   John Brandon said: >y >rA >> Even with LAT? It used to refuse to CONnect with logins=0, andt5 >> as there was no connect, privs did not matter. :(   >iE >Do not know, never had the oppurtunity to connect using LAT during ay	 startup.   >Always a VT or DECnet.m > 
 >John Brandont >VMS Systems Administrator >Dallas Semiconductor  >john.brandon@dalsemi.comc >972.371.4172 wk >972.371.4003 fx >s  " This newsgroup is really slipping.  = Nobody mentioned names, quests or sparrows in response to the   phrase "Three questions."  > AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   ========================  William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annexh, 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874  > 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 18:32 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)n1 Subject: Re: The Space Invaders minute of the day , Message-ID: <2APR200318322593@gerg.tamu.edu>  + huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) writes... > }One possibility not yet checked: is spcinv maybe INSTALLed  ? } ? }Try instead of "r spcinv" an explicit "RUN spcinv.exe;version"e }  }-- O }Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/e    @ There may also just be a logical name SPCINV that points to some other version.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 18:26 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 8 Subject: Re: The Space Invaders minute of the day: /NOOP, Message-ID: <2APR200318265749@gerg.tamu.edu>  8 Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes...; }and here is the run when the source is compiled with /NOOPm } Q }%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=000000000000a' }0030, PC=FFFFFFFF808E5380, PS=0000001Bc0 }%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump followsL }   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PCQ }                                             0 0000000000000000 FFFFFFFF808E5380.Q }  SPCINV  INVADERS  SLEEP                  141 0000000000000A0C 0000000000030A0C Q }  SPCINV  INVADERS  SPECIAL_GRAPHIC        579 0000000000003150 0000000000033150sQ }  SPCINV  INVADERS  INVADERS                42 000000000000038C 000000000003038CXQ }                                             0 FFFFFFFF802513D4 FFFFFFFF802513D4  }DTL02>    This makes more sense.  E This indicates that the failure is, as I suspected, in the very first-E call of SPECIAL_GRAPHIC, and it is the call that is SLEEP('10.00') in  there.  D This is a very short distance into the run. You should run it in theE debugger and go through the program via STEP, not GO. (Using SET MODElH SCREEN so you can see where you are might be helpfull, since this shouldF all be before the thing gets set to graphics mode - there is the minorD annoyance of it clearing the screen, but that doesn't really cause aE real problem). When you get to that first call to SPECIAL_GRAPHIC, do H a STEP/IN and step until it gets to the call to SLEEP. Then STEP/IN and,D before doing anything else check to see what the TAG variable holds.  8 For me, EXAM TAG shows "INVADERS\SLEEP\TAG:     '10.00'"  C If this is not what you get, then somthing is definately not right. $ See what the call used as arguments:   What I get:)   DBG> show stack 1    invocation block 0       FP: 000000007AE47930,     Procedure Descriptor (00000000000101A8):$         Flags:                  30899           KIND:                 PDSC$K_KIND_FP_STACK (09)n           FP is Base Registern$         Rsa Offset:             0050$         Signature Offset        0000.         Entry Address:          INVADERS\SLEEP3         Ireg Mask:              2000000C <R2,R3,FP>e8           RA Saved @ 000000007AE47980:  00000000000332488           R2 Saved @ 000000007AE47988:  00000000000104D88           R3 Saved @ 000000007AE47990:  000000007B0397F68           FP Saved @ 000000007AE47998:  000000007AE479A0(         Freg Mask:              00000000(         Size:                   00000070  # Commands that may be useful to you:   K You can do a SHOW SYMB/FULL TAG to find out where it's data is coming from,PG if you can't determine it from the above (I can't - I have no clue whatrA R2 is being used for and why it isn't the argument, for example).h   DBG> show symb/full tag- data INVADERS\SLEEP\TAG      address: %R3?     string descriptor type, character-coded text, size: 5 bytesN  D Examine what is at the address given in R3 as 5 bytes of ASCII text.   DBG> exam/ascii:5 @%R3 66848:  '10.00',  D Or examine the data at the address stored in R3 as if it were of theF type that matches the TAG variable. Since yours doesn't seem to match, you may not find this useful.,   DBG> exam/type=(tag) @%R3c 66848:  '10.00'e  # Then do a STEP and see if it is the_E    141:         DELTA_TIME='0 ::'//TAG          !Concatenate strings.bE line that fails. It may be. It may not be - it might be the next lineeA (the line number given for the last stage of the traceback is not D necessarily completely accurate, being off by 1 is not too unusual).  > If that first STEP command in this routine does not fail, then   DBG> exam delta_time+ INVADERS\SLEEP\DELTA_TIME:      '0 ::10.00'r  D to make sure that it matches what I just got here, which is correct.  D Then step until failure to locate the problem (if you havn't alreadyF found it), examining the contents of all relevent variables before and after every function.r DBG> s# stepped to INVADERS\SLEEP\%LINE 143sD    143:         IF(RET_STAT.NE.%LOC(SS$_NORMAL))STOP'BINTIM failed.' DBG> exam ret_stat! INVADERS\SLEEP\RET_STAT:        1- DBG> exam time. INVADERS\SLEEP\TIME:    0.603762814651698E-159  7 is what I get after the step when SYS$BINTIM is called.:  J BTW: I would really change the TIME variable to INTEGER*4 TIME(2). Really.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 20:27:40 +0100o, From: Chris Quayle <lightwork@aerosys.co.uk>  Subject: Re: TZ30's and Alpha's?- Message-ID: <3E8B39AC.E5F1421E@aerosys.co.uk>    "Bart Z. Lederman" wrote:  > < > For the "officially supported" list you will have to go to< > the OpenVMS home page and look at the SPD (you should also9 > have a copy which came with your OpenVMS distribution).- > 9 > For what it's worth, I have one hooked up to my system.o7 > It was an AlphaServer 200, but I recently replaced itE7 > with an AlphaStation 400.  A quick test shows that it0 > appears to work. >  > --* >  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only > : >  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission: >  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing >  list of any kind. > 7 >  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have at7 >  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.o  H I've used a TK50Z, (a TK50 in a box with scsi interface board originallyE designed for the Vaxstation 2000) on an Alphaserver 400, Alphastation'G 500 and a 250-4/266. All worked without any problem once you had workedbE out the correct device file to generate. Do a 'man SCSI', for all ther gory details.   E They are very low cheap on the s/hand market and great for generatingU0 boot tapes for stuff like NetBSD, Ultrix 11 etc.   Chris0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:48:19 -0800> From: "JeffK." <uce@ftc.gov>0 Subject: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map?' Message-ID: <3E8B76C3.C34E07A3@ftc.gov>t  H I'm connecting to a Sun Solaris workstation via telnet, and am trying toH get the vi editor to work.  All the books suggested keys don't appear toF work as advertised, so I presume there's a keyboard map somewhere that will put some of this to rest.   Suggestions?   TIA,   Jeff K.-   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 18:23:47 -0600 (CST)c From: sms@antinode.org4 Subject: Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map?) Message-ID: <03040218234697@antinode.org>r   From: "JeffK." <uce@ftc.gov>J > I'm connecting to a Sun Solaris workstation via telnet, and am trying toJ > get the vi editor to work.  All the books suggested keys don't appear toH > work as advertised, so I presume there's a keyboard map somewhere that  > will put some of this to rest.  G   XTERM or DECterm?  I assume that if you're using Telnet, the terminaliB emulator (whatever it is) is running on the VMS system, not on theF remote system but displayed back on the VMS system.  That's where an X keymap would make sense.  E    What's the TERM variable on the Solaris side?  I'd try TERM=vt100,-G and see how that goes.  Last time I looked, vt300 didn't work.  FailingaE that, a clear description of exactly what's running where (and what'sr failing) might be helpful.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.orge    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:02:01 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>- Subject: Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG=( Message-ID: <3E8B41B9.BDE271D@intel.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:i > H > Is there some reason why only select individuals are permitted to post > drivel to this list?  9 	My understanding was that Sue put together the list fromoC those who signed up for the VMS SIG at HPETS in St.Louis...not thattB existing members weren't also included, I suppose.  Which "select C individuals" are you referring to?  Or perhaps I should ask, which u" NON-select individuals can't post?  = > It's maddening, of late, and getting to be worse than SPAM!n  < 	You don't like the old folks day at the home messages?  :-)B Sheesh!  I thought it was kinda fun myself...  Volume may approach& that of SPAM, but not the content, eh?   	Cheers, Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken FairfieldV" D1C Automation VMS System Support  kenneth(dot)h(dot)fairfields (at)
 intel(dot)coma   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 20:14:47 GMT_7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)t- Subject: Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG,@ Message-ID: <XwHia.336407$6b3.1557717@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  W In article <3E8B41B9.BDE271D@intel.com>, Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com> writes:e" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> oI >> Is there some reason why only select individuals are permitted to postl >> drivel to this list?. >e: >	My understanding was that Sue put together the list fromD >those who signed up for the VMS SIG at HPETS in St.Louis...not thatC >existing members weren't also included, I suppose.  Which "select  D >individuals" are you referring to?  Or perhaps I should ask, which # >NON-select individuals can't post?   O Me, for one...I signed up last night, and posted a message - still haven't seen O it yet.  Mark Levy sent a post today, claiming that one of his didn't make it. aL Perhaps there are others, but they certainly wouldn't be able to complain in that list.			:-)   > > >> It's maddening, of late, and getting to be worse than SPAM! >v= >	You don't like the old folks day at the home messages?  :-)k  B Well, I feel left out, because I'm not as old as you guys are!	:-)  C >Sheesh!  I thought it was kinda fun myself...  Volume may approachh' >that of SPAM, but not the content, eh?   O My comments to Brian (off-line) were aimed at wondering what the purpose of the M list is, because I coudln't find a "mission statement", or other statement ofeG purpose for the list.  I find the lack of technical posting (so far) as ; "off-putting"; perhaps others do, as well.	(no smiley here)e  e >8
 >	Cheers, Ken1 >--b7 >I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...- >  >Ken Fairfield# >D1C Automation VMS System Support 2 >kenneth(dot)h(dot)fairfield >(at)  >intel(dot)com  A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:20:28 GMTs( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>- Subject: Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORGe- Message-ID: <wuIia.305832$L1.86748@sccrnsc02>l  D "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.homeportal.2wire.net> wrote in message  L > Me, for one...I signed up last night, and posted a message - still haven't seenL > it yet.  Mark Levy sent a post today, claiming that one of his didn't make it.nK > Perhaps there are others, but they certainly wouldn't be able to complain. in > that list. :-)  B What it was that unlike most of the lists I'm on, the VMS SIG listK apparently doesn't send a copy of the post to the originator. I expected topI get my posts back (which I look for as an ack that the post was accepted) 2 and when I didn't, I thought something was broken.   ML   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:36:03 GMTy7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)e- Subject: Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORGe, Message-ID: <7JIia.67405$Zo.15974@sccrnsc03>  X In article <wuIia.305832$L1.86748@sccrnsc02>, "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> writes:E >"Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.homeportal.2wire.net> wrote in messageV >cM >> Me, for one...I signed up last night, and posted a message - still haven'tt >seen M >> it yet.  Mark Levy sent a post today, claiming that one of his didn't make  >it.L >> Perhaps there are others, but they certainly wouldn't be able to complain >in  >> that list. :-)  > C >What it was that unlike most of the lists I'm on, the VMS SIG list L >apparently doesn't send a copy of the post to the originator. I expected toJ >get my posts back (which I look for as an ack that the post was accepted)3 >and when I didn't, I thought something was broken.r   Hi Mark,  I Thanks for clearing that up - I apologize to Sue and the list members.  Ia1 *ass*umed that the post was ignored/not posted.  w   >i >MLU >  >s With egg on my face,  A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:41:46 GMTi" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG- Subject: Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG 0 Message-ID: <00A1DCBF.369213AF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  X In article <wuIia.305832$L1.86748@sccrnsc02>, "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> writes:E >"Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.homeportal.2wire.net> wrote in messageh >tM >> Me, for one...I signed up last night, and posted a message - still haven'ta >seenaM >> it yet.  Mark Levy sent a post today, claiming that one of his didn't makeh >it.L >> Perhaps there are others, but they certainly wouldn't be able to complain >int >> that list. :-)k > C >What it was that unlike most of the lists I'm on, the VMS SIG listtL >apparently doesn't send a copy of the post to the originator. I expected toJ >get my posts back (which I look for as an ack that the post was accepted)3 >and when I didn't, I thought something was broken.k  ) Hmm.  I get all my post back... rejected.r   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            c5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" p   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:58:55 GMTt7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)n- Subject: Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORGh? Message-ID: <z2Jia.343685$sf5.344259@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>t  S In article <00A1DCBF.369213AF@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:dY >In article <wuIia.305832$L1.86748@sccrnsc02>, "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> writes:eF >>"Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.homeportal.2wire.net> wrote in message >>N >>> Me, for one...I signed up last night, and posted a message - still haven't >>seenN >>> it yet.  Mark Levy sent a post today, claiming that one of his didn't make >>it.pM >>> Perhaps there are others, but they certainly wouldn't be able to complaini >>in >>> that list. :-) >>D >>What it was that unlike most of the lists I'm on, the VMS SIG listM >>apparently doesn't send a copy of the post to the originator. I expected tohK >>get my posts back (which I look for as an ack that the post was accepted) 4 >>and when I didn't, I thought something was broken. >h* >Hmm.  I get all my post back... rejected.  M Wild thought here - does it have anything to do with the fact that my e-mailsa) to tmesis.com have been bounced today????r   >  >--sP >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >           6 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  >g  A _________________________________________________________________b0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:39:51 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG- Subject: Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORGt0 Message-ID: <00A1DCBE.F1BF0C24@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <3E8B41B9.BDE271D@intel.com>, Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com> writes:p" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> oI >> Is there some reason why only select individuals are permitted to postu >> drivel to this list?o > : >	My understanding was that Sue put together the list fromD >those who signed up for the VMS SIG at HPETS in St.Louis...not thatC >existing members weren't also included, I suppose.  Which "select  D >individuals" are you referring to?  Or perhaps I should ask, which # >NON-select individuals can't post?-   $ SET INDIVIDUAL/SELECT=VAXMAN    > >> It's maddening, of late, and getting to be worse than SPAM! >e= >	You don't like the old folks day at the home messages?  :-).C >Sheesh!  I thought it was kinda fun myself...  Volume may approachs' >that of SPAM, but not the content, eh?E  B We're all old "geezers" in this.  I don't need umpteen messages an hour reminding me.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMT            h5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 00:22:02 GMTa" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG- Subject: Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORGi0 Message-ID: <00A1DCD5.9A1CC63D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  y In article <z2Jia.343685$sf5.344259@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:sT >In article <00A1DCBF.369213AF@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:Z >>In article <wuIia.305832$L1.86748@sccrnsc02>, "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> writes:G >>>"Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.homeportal.2wire.net> wrote in message  >>> O >>>> Me, for one...I signed up last night, and posted a message - still haven'te >>>seeneO >>>> it yet.  Mark Levy sent a post today, claiming that one of his didn't makes >>>it.N >>>> Perhaps there are others, but they certainly wouldn't be able to complain >>>in  >>>> that list. :-)v >>>dE >>>What it was that unlike most of the lists I'm on, the VMS SIG list N >>>apparently doesn't send a copy of the post to the originator. I expected toL >>>get my posts back (which I look for as an ack that the post was accepted)5 >>>and when I didn't, I thought something was broken.  >>+ >>Hmm.  I get all my post back... rejected.  >eN >Wild thought here - does it have anything to do with the fact that my e-mails* >to tmesis.com have been bounced today????  E Doubtful.  I've found two entries in the OPERATOR.LOG file for emailsr+ rejected from what *might* be your address:n  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   2-APR-2003 10:40:56.48  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on A533U2[ MX SMTP server: rejected message from <> sent by [24.62.68.119] due to invalid From: header   U8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   2-APR-2003 10:43:05.58  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on A533U2[ MX SMTP server: rejected message from <> sent by [24.62.68.119] due to invalid From: headerd  . $ nslookup 24.62.68.119    ; shows this to be:  & Name:    graywolf.ne.client2.attbi.com Address:  24.62.68.119  2 If you are posting from attbi, this is the reason.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" M   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 00:27:10 GMTL7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)e- Subject: Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORGa, Message-ID: <ydLia.69496$Zo.16212@sccrnsc03>  S In article <00A1DCD5.9A1CC63D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:f <snip>F >Doubtful.  I've found two entries in the OPERATOR.LOG file for emails, >rejected from what *might* be your address: >(9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   2-APR-2003 10:40:56.48  %%%%%%%%%%%)# >Message from user SYSTEM on A533U2 \ >MX SMTP server: rejected message from <> sent by [24.62.68.119] due to invalid From: header > 9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   2-APR-2003 10:43:05.58  %%%%%%%%%%%n# >Message from user SYSTEM on A533U2)\ >MX SMTP server: rejected message from <> sent by [24.62.68.119] due to invalid From: header >N/ >$ nslookup 24.62.68.119    ; shows this to be:e >n' >Name:    graywolf.ne.client2.attbi.comy >Address:  24.62.68.119n >c3 >If you are posting from attbi, this is the reason.i  M Yup, that's me - sorry if you are receiving a lot of junk from attbi.com - I   swear, it's not me...			:-)r   >u >--kP >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >           6 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  >t  A _________________________________________________________________-0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:20:45 -0400t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: who is procedure of backup for vms / Message-ID: <3E8B4619.52CDE332@vl.videotron.ca>    > I too never had a problem - L > but then I never had -in almost 20 years- a crashed system disk to restore > from a "live" backup.b  L I have used BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=(INTERLOCK) on the system disk to backyup toN TK and then using standalone backup to restore to the same drive to defragment without problems.h  M If you have no other users on the system and the main applications are turned @ off, there really isn't much write activity on the system drive.  1 On other drives, what I see are messages such as:wN -file not found  (log file deleted between time a file scan was don and backup go to that file)  (rare)aN -file not found during the recording pass (log file deleted after backed up to! tape, but before recording pass).3  M Now, from a "legal" point of view, such backups don't really have an officialeK timestamp representing a system at one particular instant in time since the M backup spans a time period where modifications affect files already backed up- and files not yet backed up.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:26:12 -0400a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: who is procedure of backup for vms:/ Message-ID: <3E8B475F.C79CA394@vl.videotron.ca>g   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:uC > years.  We lost the queue database every time.  But we never lost1% > or corrupted SYSUAF or RIGHTSLIST. s    N On my all mighty microvax II, I STOP/QUEUE all the queues except the one whereH the backup runs. The initial reason was to prevent the various recurringM maintenance/check jobs from running during the backup (not wanting those jobs H to steal memory and CPU from backup). But in hindsight, it may have also- helped prevent corruption of the queue files.a   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 18:41 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)u/ Subject: Re: who is procedure of backup for vms , Message-ID: <2APR200318411783@gerg.tamu.edu>  W In article <q5wcMk6Qv1qu@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>, huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) writes... Z }In article <b6ee8n$179$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes: } U }>>But You should always save files like sysuaf.dat,rightslist,network database etc. g* }>>in a separate file copy using CONVERT ! }> p+ }> Never done this - never had any problem.  }>   }  }I too never had a problem -K }but then I never had -in almost 20 years- a crashed system disk to restorer }from a "live" backup.J }In fact I used /image/ignore=interlock backups to clone system disks for N }newly added systems, and then the critical files were still used from the old
 }common disk.=G }But better than one day having a corrupted sysuaf, I do in the nightlya }housekeeping job: }  }$  file = f$TRNLNM("SYSUAF")C/ }$  fdev = f$parse(file,"SYSUAF.DAT",,"DEVICE")p2 }$  fdir = f$parse(file,"SYSUAF.DAT",,"DIRECTORY")- }$  fnam = f$parse(file,"SYSUAF.DAT",,"NAME")n- }$  ftyp = f$parse(file,"SYSUAF.DAT",,"TYPE")n }$  fn = fnam+ftyp }$  uaf=fdev+fdir+fnam+ftypc" }$ set default sys$common:[sysexe]. }$ convert/share 'uaf' sys$common:[sysexe]'fn'- }$ purge/keep=2 sys$common:[sysexe]sysuaf.datD } D }on all system disks except the one where the common sysuaf resides.$ }Same for rightslist,qman$master ... }  }-- O }Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/e   I do something like this -   $ original = F$Parse("sysuaf")  $ If F$Search(original) .NES. "" $ ThenB $   new = F$Parse(original)-";"-F$Parse(original,,,"TYPE")+".copy"0 $   say "Convert/Share of ''original' to ''new'"  $   Convert/Share 'original 'new  $   Purge/Log/NoConf/Keep=2 'new $ Else# $   say "No such file: ''original'"1 $ EndIfp  > Doing this on each of the various relevant files. It creates a? nice clean copy with the same name, but the file type of .COPY.nE In the event that a restore hits a problem with one of the originals,iB the most recent copy can be renamed and used instead. Not perfect,. but better than performing with no net at all.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 18:48 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)i/ Subject: Re: who is procedure of backup for vmsi, Message-ID: <2APR200318485531@gerg.tamu.edu>  % hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com writes...f- }In article <b6ee8n$179$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, I. }david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes: } O }>Although the "official" position has always been that to backup a system diskpC }>you need to shutdown the system and do a stand-alone-backup usingn4 }>backup/ignore=interlock pretty well always works.  } J }The "truth" of this statement is *VERY* dependent on the current activityF }on the system and on the system disk in particular.  In a non-trivialF }systemenvironment, it can be *VERY* hard to contol or limit activity. } H }Remember: The /IGNORE=INTERLOCK qualifier tells BACKUP that you do not B }care if the resulting saveset or image can be correctly restored. }  }-- K }      Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USA   E No it doesn't. It tells BACKUP that you are aware that files that are G currently open for writing may not be backed up correctly, but that youcG think it is better to have some (typically very good) chance of gettingg3 them backed up than it is to have no chance at all.C  = It has no effect on the other files in the saveset. They will3E certinaly be fine. It only affects the files that are open for write.   C If you do not use it, then you can be certain that those files will/- have an exactly 0% chance of being backed up.    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2003 23:31:01 GMTi2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>; Subject: Re: Xtree for VMS was (Re: MS-Word from OpenVMS ?)c+ Message-ID: <b6frrl0nd7@enews3.newsguy.com>i  / Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:l; > A long time ago I remember to use in my old MicroVAX 3100aA > a Xtree like product ! Did you remember it  ? For me it was the ? > Xtre Gold for VMS or similar ? Any idea of finding binaries ?   # Any chance you're thinking of 'DX'? @ http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/htbin/software_list.cgi?package=dx   	Zanem   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.183 ************************