1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 04 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 185       Contents:$ abiword - Re: MS-Word from OpenVMS ? Re: Alpha emulator for x86?  Re: Alpha emulator for x86? ' Re: Another day without VMS advertising ' Re: Another day without VMS advertising G Re: Any way to have a filename beginning with the ampersand character ? ; Re: Apache %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on RIGHTSLIST.DAT after upgrade  Apache/CSWS VMS mailing list?  charon-vax emulation Re: charon-vax emulation Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors RE: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors RE: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors! Re: DBI prebuilt modules for perl ! Re: DBI prebuilt modules for perl   DECwindows on multiple VMS hosts$ Re: DECwindows on multiple VMS hosts. Re: Do OpenVMS Alpha have a Year 2057 problem? Don't hold you're breath Re: Don't hold you're breath Re: Don't hold you're breath Re: Fortran Guru requested( How do I stop a process that won't stop?, Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?, Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?, Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?, Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?% Re: How does Shadow Copy REALLY work? % Re: How does Shadow Copy REALLY work?  Re: How to get timing 4 Re: HP killing Golden Eggs- future of goose unknown.4 Re: HP killing Golden Eggs- future of goose unknown.# Re: HSD50 Firmware - Latest Version 0 Re: Include an automated date within a printout.0 Re: Include an automated date within a printout.> Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust> Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust> Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust> Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust> Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust> Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust' Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!! ' Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!! ' Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!! # Re: OpenVMS Pearl for Wed April 2nd # Re: OpenVMS Pearl for Wed April 2nd  Reading a raw CD% Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE ) Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE ) Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE ) Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE ) Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE > Repeated error message on boot: "posix lockfile to go away..." Re: Second IP address  Re: SMTP authentification / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...  StorageTek on SAN with VMSE Re: SYSTARTUP_VMS (was: Three questions re: the VMS startup proce	ss) D Re: SYSTARTUP_VMS (was: Three questions re: the VMS startup process)D Re: SYSTARTUP_VMS (was: Three questions re: the VMS startup process) tcpip Programming  Re: tcpip Programming  Re: tcpip Programming  Re: tcpip Programming  Re: tcpip Programming  Re: tcpip Programming  Re: tcpip Programming  Re: tcpip Programming / Re: The Space Invaders minute of the day: /NOOP + Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map? + Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map? + Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map? + Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map? + Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map? + Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map? $ Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG9 Re: Which PAK for DECNET Phase IV under Hobbyist Program? & Re: who is procedure of backup for vms  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 03:33:39 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> - Subject: abiword - Re: MS-Word from OpenVMS ? = Message-ID: <n27ja.33735$TW2.5258851@news1.news.adelphia.net>    Patrick Spinler wrote:H > Abiword <http://www.abisource.com/> is a fairly nice lightweight word J > processor which has filters for incoming MS docs, modulo some features. / >  It might be possible to port abiword to VMS.  > E > The major dependancy I recall in the Abiword source is for the GTK  F > toolkit.  There exists a port of the GTK graphics toolkit to VMS at K > <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/gtk.html>.  I don't know  ' > if it's recent enough to work or not.   5 A quick check shows that it should be current enough.   J > Unfortunately, Abiword uses GNU autoconf so you'd have to manually hack G > together a config.h and some Makefiles. :-(  Fortunately, it doesn't  + > appear to use the unixy fork() at all.:-)   H GNV found a few minor warnings in the configure script, but there is an H #assert test to make sure that only GCC would be used, so none autoconf ) tests will run with out fixing the tests.   B It does not appear to use a config.h file, and there appear to be I manually maintained platform dependant branches that do not use autoconf.   I I do not have time now to look at this further, but if anyone else wants   to continue, go for it.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   Date: 04 Apr 2003 03:51:26 GMT From: rmk@rmkhome.com $ Subject: Re: Alpha emulator for x86?3 Message-ID: <3e8d013e$0$195$75868355@news.frii.net>   ) Stanley F. Quayle <stan@stanq.com> wrote:   H > VMS, Digital UNIX, and even -- VAXELN.  I'm planning on testing it on G > Linux, once they get a little farther with the Linux for VAX project.   J You could run NetBSD. NetBSD/vax 1.6 supports most of the vaxen, includingB SMP. It was the first UNIX to support shared libraries on the VAX. --  , rmk@rmkhome.com		http://www.rmkhome.com/~rmk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:22:41 -0500 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>$ Subject: Re: Alpha emulator for x86?/ Message-ID: <3E8CDE61.20862.11070ADF@localhost>   - On 4 Apr 2003 at 3:51, rmk@rmkhome.com wrote: + > Stanley F. Quayle <stan@stanq.com> wrote: J > > VMS, Digital UNIX, and even -- VAXELN.  I'm planning on testing it on I > > Linux, once they get a little farther with the Linux for VAX project. L > You could run NetBSD. NetBSD/vax 1.6 supports most of the vaxen, includingD > SMP. It was the first UNIX to support shared libraries on the VAX.  @ Yep.  Sorry, I forgot NetBSD.  Most of my business is replacing = VAXen.   I suspect the percentage of VAXen running NetBSD in   businesses is pretty small.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:03:37 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertising' Message-ID: <3E8CF609.6F36B30B@fsi.net>    John Smith wrote:  > [snip]9 > More of the same ads in today's paper. No VMS mentions.  >  > SS-DD. > (same sh*t -different day)  4 I thought that was "Single Sided, Double Density"...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 04:41:11 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertisingH Message-ID: <H18ja.34305$7Im.26003@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E8CF609.6F36B30B@fsi.net...  > John Smith wrote: 
 > > [snip]; > > More of the same ads in today's paper. No VMS mentions.  > > 
 > > SS-DD. > > (same sh*t -different day) > 6 > I thought that was "Single Sided, Double Density"...    % That describes most bosses perfectly.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:19:39 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> P Subject: Re: Any way to have a filename beginning with the ampersand character ?' Message-ID: <3E8CF9CB.BC932087@fsi.net>    Paul Porcelli wrote: >  > Hi folks, ; > is there any way for VMS to handle filenames which  begin   > with the ampersand character ? > e.g &header.000  > @ > We have a zip file which when unzipped converts the ampersands > to some other character. > 2 > We'd like to preserve the ampersand if possible. > ! > Any help would be very welcome.   A I haven't played with ODS-5 yet, but until now "&" has been a DCl : metacharacter. It invokes one form of symbol substitution:  C DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ a := "Sample string with mixed case and embedded  spaces"  DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ define a &a DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ show sym a 9   A = "Sample string with mixed case and embedded spaces"  DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ show log a <    "A" = "Sample string with mixed case and embedded spaces" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)    (done on V7.1-2)   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:34:14 +0000 (UTC)= From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) D Subject: Re: Apache %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on RIGHTSLIST.DAT after upgrade- Message-ID: <b6hur6$rdi$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>   \ In article <3e8b35f9$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> writes: >Paul, > I >If you could define the logical name apache$config_verbose to 'true' and I >re-run the startup procedure, it should point us to where the startup is 	 >failing.  > G >Here is the sequence of steps to install a full Secure Web Server kit,  >followed by an update kit:  > ; >1. Shutdown the software ($ @sys$startup:apache$shutdown). 6 >2. Install the kit ($ PRODUCT INSTALL CSWS/DEST=...).@ >3. Run the configuration script ($ @sys$startup:apache$config).= >4. Install the update kit ($ PRODUCT INSTALL CSWS13_UPDATE). 5 >5. Start the server ($ @sys$startup:apache$startup).  > K >It's only necessary to run APACHE$CONFIG after you install a full kit. The M >patch kits set the appropriate protection on the subset of files it overlays  >onto an existing installation.   > 	Interesting.  Virtually every time I've installed an update, @ 	I've had issues.  Every time I've called in to support on thoseD 	issues, the first thing they want to know is if I've run the CONFIG 	script.  If no, please do so.  P +----"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+B | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")		InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu < | Systems Design Specialist - Lead	AT&T:      (814) 865-18189 | Digital Library Technologies		FAX:       (814) 863-3560 2 | 3 Paterno Library				"I'd rather be dancing..." B | Penn State University		    A host is a host from coast to coast,K | University Park, PA 16802	    And no one will talk to a host that's close C | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>	    Unless the host that isn't close : | EMail Professional since 1978	    Is busy, hung or dead.P +---------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+9                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999] 3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>  J <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a> --	/"\ 	\ /	ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN 	 X	AGAINST HTML MAIL  	/ \   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:18:40 -0500! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> & Subject: Apache/CSWS VMS mailing list?K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BE5@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   , The HTML FAQ at Eisner is silent as to this.   Inquiring minds want to know.  ========================  William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annex , 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874  > 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:47:28 GMT ! From: "x" <mssmss1@ameritech.net>  Subject: charon-vax emulation ? Message-ID: <Qu5ja.1735$kd1.1691278@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>   J Does anyone have experience with charon-vax emulation? We're contemplatingF converting a standalone DSSI based VAX 4700 currently running VMS 6.2.   Thanks in advance,  
 Mike Schoepke  mschoepke@dailyherald.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:29:54 -0500 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>! Subject: Re: charon-vax emulation . Message-ID: <3E8CA7D2.8492.1031EA81@localhost>  L > Does anyone have experience with charon-vax emulation? We're contemplatingH > converting a standalone DSSI based VAX 4700 currently running VMS 6.2.  D Yes, I have extensive experience.  I'm also a CHARON-VAX reseller.   Please look at:   &   http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html   for more details.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:25:30 -0500A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors , Message-ID: <3e8c8aab_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:hhRrcQvtKpqS@eisner.encompasserve.org... ? > In article <71367ac8.0304021011.69264b58@posting.google.com>, * qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) writes:   > F > > If we are going to discuss a truly unique offering in the industry > > then we  > > should be talking TANDEM.  > > A > > FAULT TOLERANT.  Not just 5x9 highly available, but NON STOP.  > > E > > So, if technology is the 'key' to winning the war, I would expect 
 > > every VMS 2 > > crusader to suggest that everyone buys TANDEM. > 8 >    VMS' 17 year uptime record is pretty damn non-stop. >   K NSK is a unique and useful environment when you absolutely, positively have I to have a database engine which will not fail as long as the site doesn't G fail (think 9/11), and it's critical enough to spend the money for this K redundancy.  That isn't to say that it doesn't have many of the same issues H that VMS has, and perhaps a few more.  It is a 32-bit OS, that relies on specific hardware capabilites.  $ But it is a very, very niche market.  I > > After all, if all of this great VMS clustering technology beats UNIX,  > > and G > > its all about technology, then TANDEM obviously knocks VMS and UNIX 
 > > and NTE > > into obscurity. Who cares about cluster failover when the systems 
 > > simply > > don't stop running ? >   C Because entire *sites* can stop running, not just a single machine.    > J > > Everyone will agree that OpenVMS has better base clustering capability > > thanC > > UNIX & NT (you'll have to dig deep to make the case against the  > > mainframe) -F > > but today's applications make use of the 3rd party middleware that > > bypassesB > > the need for such an integrated base, all inclusive clusteringJ > > capability and uplevel the failover, load balancing to the message and  > > DB layer where it should be. >   J Point noted.  The lack of capabilities has forced other solutions.  If all you have is a hammer...     D > > SMG & RMS (data and screen control tightly embedded in the code)F > > FMS  (attempt to move the screen maintenance out of the code - but	 > > still  > > having tightly bound UAR's= > > TDMS & Rdb - failed attempt to combine UI and data access J > > DEC FORMS, ACMS, Rdb - multi tiered abstracted tool set, allowing trueB > > separation of the UI, business logic, transaction control (and > > balancing) > > and database.  > > ( > > So, where are these products today ? >   J Where is PHIGS?  Where is GKS?  Where is any number of other libraries andJ standards that have come and gone.  One difference you can see is that VMSL does it's best to try and continue to provide even antiques like FMS so that6 you don't *have* to rewrite that 20 year old software.   > H > > We had to do this at Sector7 -- we were the king of the hill when it > > came to D > > VMS migration, we felt comfortable, knew everything - but we are > > finding 9 > > less and less VMS systems available for our services.  > E >   Fewer and fewer people are dumb enough to want to get off VMS and # >   you think that's a VMS problem?  >   I I really don't have a lot of sympathy for someone bragging that they were E king of the hill in porting *off* of VMS.  But at least it makes your G position and bias clear - convince people VMS is dying or dead, because  that's your bread & butter.   I There is an ebb and flow of things.  Some people have left VMS, some have H come back, and some new ones are entering.  I'm currently working with aJ couple of new ISV's who are porting their Solaris stuff *to* VMS - and whoI are doing because of the sales potential for the product - not because we  are paying them to do it.   J I hate it when people leave VMS.  It means that we failed them.  I love itH when they come back, and I love the stories like the pile of Sun HW withJ police tape around it from an attempt to dump VMS that failed - left there as a lesson and a warning.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:19:11 GMT " From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: COV Sponsors / Message-ID: <3E8C9739.9C8D030E@telusplanet.net>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  J > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:hhRrcQvtKpqS@eisner.encompasserve.org... A > > In article <71367ac8.0304021011.69264b58@posting.google.com>, , > qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) writes: >  >   G My employer, a government entity, provides health care for over 900,000 9 people in  this region.  We have the following platforms.   O     - OVMS.    Five core applications, some for all health sites in the region. *     - HP-UX.    Several core applications.(     - AIX.        Two core applications.5     - NSK.        Restricted to one major health site      - Several Windows flavors.
     - Novell.      - Linux.	     - ...   > The uptime and RAS of the OVMS cluster compares favorably withK that of the NSK, and is definitely superior to that of the other platforms.   P You can talk about technology all you want, but if your systems are not designed  M properly and the programs are not up to par, then the users will never accept  the ' applications.  Take it from experience.      -- Lee    lytmah@telusplanet.net   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 13:21:42 -0800 ( From: qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) Subject: Re: COV Sponsors ; Message-ID: <71367ac8.0304031321.e8ae70@posting.google.com>   E I have just noticed that there just seems to be 8 or 9 people posting / into the OpenVMS news group -- is that it ?????   " To reply to posts from Lee & Fred.  ? Actually, We make our revenue from Server Consolidation and VMS 
 Migration.  D Annoying people on the comp.os.vms is just one of those lucky perks.  E Personally, I think you should direct your energies at HP and not me, C Im just fuilling a need, they are creating the problem. Actually -- C DEC and then Compaq created the problem, HP are just stuck with it.   A I think maybe I've expended enough energy on this news group. Its C going nowhere and more importantly its getting boring. Same BS that E I've been hearing for years and years ... the only difference is that E 8 years ago, there would have been hundreds of postings from all over : the place ... now ... just the same tired 9 over and over.  ' I think I over estimated this audience.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:25:40 -0500 & From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@rcn.com> Subject: Re: COV Sponsors < Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030403162429.09e0deb0@pop.rcn.com>  & At 01:21 PM 4/3/2003 -0800, you wrote:F >I have just noticed that there just seems to be 8 or 9 people posting0 >into the OpenVMS news group -- is that it ?????  J No, those are just the vocal few ... there are probably plenty of lurkers I who post when they want something answered or know an answer to a post...    Ken Robinson   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 13:44:12 -0800 ( From: qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) Subject: Re: COV Sponsors = Message-ID: <71367ac8.0304031344.2b00578b@posting.google.com>    Sorry .. 10    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:52:43 -0500/ From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@mansply.com>  Subject: RE: COV Sponsors ? Message-ID: <MDEGJFAOHGLNLHONIEBMMELDCFAA.hvanderw@mansply.com>   I Hey don't get discouraged  - do what most of us do ....the silent members J that is .. we ignore all the crap and learn from the rest of the folks whoH provide lots of valuable info to us smaller shops.   I for one really amL glad there are so many folks out there who are willing to contribute info toK the rest of us.    Lots of us don't run the biggest nor the newest hardware I and software but like to hear how its going out on the cutting edge!!! :)    Hank Vander Wall Mansco Hudsonville MI         -----Original Message-----/ From: Jon Power [mailto:qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com] & Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 4:22 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors     E I have just noticed that there just seems to be 8 or 9 people posting / into the OpenVMS news group -- is that it ?????   " To reply to posts from Lee & Fred.  ? Actually, We make our revenue from Server Consolidation and VMS 
 Migration.  D Annoying people on the comp.os.vms is just one of those lucky perks.  E Personally, I think you should direct your energies at HP and not me, C Im just fuilling a need, they are creating the problem. Actually -- C DEC and then Compaq created the problem, HP are just stuck with it.   A I think maybe I've expended enough energy on this news group. Its C going nowhere and more importantly its getting boring. Same BS that E I've been hearing for years and years ... the only difference is that E 8 years ago, there would have been hundreds of postings from all over : the place ... now ... just the same tired 9 over and over.  ' I think I over estimated this audience.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:04:22 -0600 $ From: Lyle West <www@ourtownusa.net> Subject: Re: COV Sponsors . Message-ID: <3E8C5B86.7E3BFD0E@ourtownusa.net>   Ken Robinson wrote:  > ( > At 01:21 PM 4/3/2003 -0800, you wrote:H > >I have just noticed that there just seems to be 8 or 9 people posting2 > >into the OpenVMS news group -- is that it ????? > K > No, those are just the vocal few ... there are probably plenty of lurkers K > who post when they want something answered or know an answer to a post...  >  > Ken RobinsonD I have been lurking here enought lately to observe several last gasp messagesG from Mr Power indicating he was giving up on us nine (thousand) lurkers  and  leaving this group for good.  ' WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO LEAVE!!!   D (take Mr Harrison with you, he is no longer entertaining, unless you re-read / Brian's excellant satire from several days ago)  --     Lyle W. West  > Try ell with three dubya's and at with mninter arf net and use dot rather than arf  __   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 15:28:00 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors < Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304031528.d9c929c@posting.google.com>  m qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) wrote in message news:<71367ac8.0304030826.33ca4639@posting.google.com>... G > As for the Indian Railways, last time I was in India (Training 40 DEC M > engineers to do migrations from OpenVMS to Tru64, paid for by DEC) Dr Pandi : > was working on reimplementing the system on NT with RTR)  D I've been involved with IR recently.  They were looking at using RTRC in conjunction with disaster-tolerant VMS cluster(s), not replacing  VMS with NT.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 15:44:36 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304031544.4effc189@posting.google.com>   m qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) wrote in message news:<71367ac8.0304030428.38dff877@posting.google.com>... G > I also remember being boo'd off stage at DECUS events many years ago, G > and also the sheer agression (of the technical folks) when presenting 4 > to corporations that were interested on migrating.  F I'm not surprised.  It's obvious your financial success is improved byF customers migrating away from VMS.  FUD helps that, so you're eager toE spread as much of it as possible.  Your goals are similar to those of B HP's competitors, and indeed they benefit from your work.  Lots ofE folks here gain their livelihood from OpenVMS, enjoy working with it, D and want to continue working with it, it's ridiculous for you to actD offended or surprised when they object strenuously to anyone workingB to harm the VMS ecosystem, as it is so glaringly obvious that your work and words do.  B I've come across many sad cases where people have been scared into< migrating off of VMS, spend large amounts of money (multipleF $millions), and end up with the exact same functionality, at best, andB lower functionality, reliability, security, and/or performance, at= worst, and have done so totally unnecessarily.  What a waste!   D One could argue that Digital (and to some extent Compaq) contributedA to (even directly caused) the fear felt by those customers, and I B can't disagree with that, but conditions have changed dramatically with the HP acquisition.  E After the announcement that Tru64 users needed to move to HP-UX, some F of those who had moved from VMS to Tru64 have now decided to move backE to VMS, because they know what they've been missing, and they see VMS ' now has a future, where Tru64 does not.   D Today, there is no reason for a customer to be scared into migrating( off of VMS, as you are attempting to do.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 16:00:45 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304031600.1819a2bb@posting.google.com>   m qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) wrote in message news:<71367ac8.0304030450.27195c3e@posting.google.com>...  >  * VMS people are expensive 5 >  * VMS people are difficult to find in an emergency   D You're out of touch here.  This was true up through the Y2K efforts,E but VMS expertise is readily available today, and with the surplus of . talent, prices have correspondingly come down.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 16:02:05 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304031602.43301924@posting.google.com>   m qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) wrote in message news:<71367ac8.0304030450.27195c3e@posting.google.com>... B > Whenever a CIO of a large enterprise talks to us, one comment isF > common "We are fed up being held hostage by that group of VMS guys". > ? > YOU see this as a technology issue - THEY see it as a hostage  > sitation.   E If I'm understanding your post correctly, the "VMS guys" you refer to A here are that own company's IT experts, who are familiar with the C business, familiar with the capabilities of VMS and the alternative A technologies, and know the negative impact to the business that a C migration off of VMS can represent, so it's no wonder they object.   Boy, have I been there!   F Experienced IT people often object to rushing to implement whatever isD the latest technical fad, especially when they have found it doesn't live up to the hype.  D The CIO is the boss, so he could simply fire the whole lot, but thatA doesn't happen.  You know why?  Because often the business itself ( depends too heavily on those "VMS guys".   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 16:07:07 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304031607.25978623@posting.google.com>   m qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) wrote in message news:<71367ac8.0304030450.27195c3e@posting.google.com>... 0 > is Tuxedo still supported and 'up to date' ??.  e Certainly is.  See http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=platforms.htm&FP=/content/products/tux/specs/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:19:58 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: COV Sponsors / Message-ID: <3E8CC18A.19A7DDBE@vl.videotron.ca>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:N >> NSK is a unique and useful environment when you absolutely, positively have0 > to have a database engine which will not fail   & > But it is a very, very niche market.    A Doesn't prevent HP from bagging about it running stock exchanges.   J How come VMS, which is only a niche market (as opposed to very very niche)( doesn't get any advertising/visibility ?   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 16:55:03 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors < Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304031655.a92d7ef@posting.google.com>  m qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) wrote in message news:<71367ac8.0304021011.69264b58@posting.google.com>... D > If we are going to discuss a truly unique offering in the industry# > then we should be talking TANDEM.  > ? > FAULT TOLERANT.  Not just 5x9 highly available, but NON STOP.   E Yes, let's discuss truly-unique offerings in the industry.  I'll take F a DISASTER tolerant VMS cluster over a FAULT tolerant system any day. C And lots of other folks are thinking that way as well, particularly = after 9/11.  (And that may be why the NonStop folks have been C announcing a set of products recently to provide disaster tolerance  for NonStop systems.)   B VMS had fault tolerance back in the VAXft days.  Once VMS is fully< ported to Itanium, what's to prevent VMS from running on theE fault-tolerant Itanium hardware that the NonStop folks are building?  , Remember that Tandem is now part of HP, too.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:38:25 GMT " From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: COV Sponsors / Message-ID: <3E8CE20B.7C0FA7F6@telusplanet.net>   < From Jon's testimonials and anecdotes, it's obvious he knows) how to migrate customers off VMS systems. ; Can he give us an idea of how his customers he migrated off  VMS are doing?) Do his customers require 24x7x365 uptime? / What is his experience in managing VMSclusters?   7 Don't get caught up in his plan to get the NSK and OVMS  sides arguing with each other.       Keith Parris wrote:   o > qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) wrote in message news:<71367ac8.0304021011.69264b58@posting.google.com>... F > > If we are going to discuss a truly unique offering in the industry% > > then we should be talking TANDEM.  > > A > > FAULT TOLERANT.  Not just 5x9 highly available, but NON STOP.  > G > Yes, let's discuss truly-unique offerings in the industry.  I'll take G > a DISASTER tolerant VMS cluster over a FAULT tolerant system any day. E > And lots of other folks are thinking that way as well, particularly ? > after 9/11.  (And that may be why the NonStop folks have been E > announcing a set of products recently to provide disaster tolerance  > for NonStop systems.)  > D > VMS had fault tolerance back in the VAXft days.  Once VMS is fully> > ported to Itanium, what's to prevent VMS from running on theF > fault-tolerant Itanium hardware that the NonStop folks are building?. > Remember that Tandem is now part of HP, too.   -- Lee    lytmah@telusplanet.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:52:35 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 0 Message-ID: <00A1DDAB.6A71CEDD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <cf15391e.0304031600.1819a2bb@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: n >qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) wrote in message news:<71367ac8.0304030450.27195c3e@posting.google.com>... >>  * VMS people are expensive6 >>  * VMS people are difficult to find in an emergency > E >You're out of touch here.  This was true up through the Y2K efforts, F >but VMS expertise is readily available today, and with the surplus of/ >talent, prices have correspondingly come down.   - That's right.  VMS people are cheap and easy!    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMO            A5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" r   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 04:35:40 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>h Subject: Re: COV SponsorsnH Message-ID: <wY7ja.34270$7Im.22203@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagen) news:3E8CC18A.19A7DDBE@vl.videotron.ca...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:@ > >> NSK is a unique and useful environment when you absolutely, positively haveO1 > > to have a database engine which will not fail  > ( > > But it is a very, very niche market. >  > C > Doesn't prevent HP from bagging about it running stock exchanges.e >OE > How come VMS, which is only a niche market (as opposed to very veryO niche)* > doesn't get any advertising/visibility ?    ) That's a rhetorical question, right?  :-)t  + Pauline Nist manages to get NSK advertised.hE What's wrong with Gorham and Marcello? Why can't they get advertising A money from the Board of Directors for OpenVMS? Do you think maybe / because the Board thinks it's a waste of money?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:19:39 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>I Subject: RE: COV SponsorssT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ECF5F@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Jon,  G As been stated before you make your living trying to convince Customers G to move to whatever your preferred platform of the day is. That's fine,sG you have a business to run and if everyone was happy, you would have no5> business. Obviously, that would not be good for your business.  G Hey - porting Customers to AIX (even if it is the #3 UNIX) likely looksrD like great work for you. And now that one of the IBM Senior SoftwareF VP's has stated they plan to move their AIX base to Linux at some timeE in the future, you can simply change your message and port those sameT Customers to Linux.=20  
 Reference:: http://promo.search.com.com/search?dau=3D55&layout=3DstoryC "January 29, 2003, NEW YORK--The day is approaching when Linux willn@ likely replace IBM's version of Unix, the company's top softwareA executive said, an indication that the upstart operating system'sr% stature is rising within Big Blue.=20   E While IBM doesn't expect Linux to replace its own AIX version of UnixNA any time soon, Big Blue is pushing the open-source OS in the thatnF direction, Steve Mills, senior vice president of IBM's Software Group,: told CNET News.com at last week's LinuxWorld trade show. "  F As the article stated, it won't happen overnight, but it sure seems to> indicate where the future resources are going to be spent -=20  G Just curious, but what will your message be to those AIX Customers thatp you just ported?=20l   Regardse  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicest Voice: 613-592-4660V Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMu     -----Original Message-----2 From: Jon Power [mailto:qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: April 3, 2003 4:44 PMr To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma Subject: Re: COV Sponsorsn     Sorry .. 10g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 00:51:53 -0400m0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: COV SponsorsS/ Message-ID: <3E8D0F3F.9C875D98@vl.videotron.ca>r   John Smith wrote:e- > Pauline Nist manages to get NSK advertised. G > What's wrong with Gorham and Marcello? Why can't they get advertisingeC > money from the Board of Directors for OpenVMS? Do you think maybeI1 > because the Board thinks it's a waste of money?T    M My gut tells me that somewhere inside of VMS, there are enough key people who-M are convinced wide advertising is a waste of money and they do not understand0H that such advertising is REQUIRED to stop the bleeding and set a base to rebuild on.    Image is everything.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:29:16 GMT + From: Joseph Norris <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net>w* Subject: Re: DBI prebuilt modules for perlE Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.40.0304031229070.28208-100000@bolt.sonic.net>m   Thanks for the help.    ; #Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is there?/Linux/CGI/Mysql)yI print @c=map chr $_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8,aC -68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90);p    $ On 3 Apr 2003, Craig A. Berry wrote:  y > Joseph Norris <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.40.0304021151570.3210-100000@bolt.sonic.net>...t >,C > > Does anyone know where I can get pre-built DBI modules for perlr > > on VMS?n >o; > The pre-built Perl 5.6.1 kit available here includes DBI:  > , > http://www.sidhe.org/vmsperl/prebuilt.html > G > It is possible to build DBI yourself, but dependiing on Perl version,sB > DBI version, and some other variables, it can be a real headacheC > because DBI uses a highly customized build procedure wherein manylG > things can go wrong.  The vmsperl mailing list archive includes quitee& > a bit of discussion of this problem: >v3 > http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/vmsperl/e >n > D > You'll also, of course, need a DBD module that is specific to your< > database, and you'll probably have to build that yourself. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 06:42:10 GMT?& From: "Rob Boor" <rob.boor@compaq.com>* Subject: Re: DBI prebuilt modules for perl0 Message-ID: <6P9ja.272$9O4.244@news.cpqcorp.net>   Yep,  K it can be done if you're using CSWS_PHP V1.1 with CSWS V1.3, the source kith is available onXJ http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_source.html  $ The sources need some modifications.  J I've the PHP MySQL extension built for an OpenVMS V7.3-1, TCPIP V5.3 eco 1E and CSWS V1.3 + CSWS_PHP V1.1. Drop me a e-mail if you want this .EXE0 module.4  I With this extension module I was able to get PHPMYADMIN up-and-running toa connect to:   $     - OpenVMS MySQL server (V4.0.12)  '     - MySQL server on RedHat Linux V8.0o     -- regards,     Rob Boor     OpenVMS Support Specialist.    Hewlett-Packard Nederland B.V. Utrecht, The Netherlands   robDOTboor@hpDOTcomo!          (replace "DOT" with .'s)t    9 "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> wrote in message1+ news:M5Zia.65$7b6.168370@news.on.tac.net...M7 > does anyone know if php on vms supports mysql as wellh >A > 3 > "Rob Boor" <rob.boor@compaq.com> wrote in messagei+ > news:13Ria.208$9l3.75@news.cpqcorp.net...g > > Hi,n > >iL > > for a testing project with MySQL server running on OpenVMS, I managed to	 > > build J > > DBI V1.35 & DBD-MYSQL V1.026 with OpenVMS V7.3-1 and TCPIP V5.3 (eco1)@ > > with some minor modifications. System is running Perl V5.6-1 > >rJ > > Drop me a mail if you are interrested in e.g. a backup saveset of this > build < > > and/or instructions how to built it yourself from source > >d > > regards, > >     Rob Boor# > >     OpenVMS Support Specialist.i > >e" > > Hewlett-Packard Nederland B.V. > > Utrecht, The Netherlands > > : > > * robDOTboor@hpDOTcom         (replace "DOT" with .'s) > > < > > "Joseph Norris" <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in messageB > > news:Pine.LNX.4.40.0304021151570.3210-100000@bolt.sonic.net... > > >  > > > Hello, > > >oE > > > Does anyone know where I can get pre-built DBI modules for perlm
 > > > on VMS?- > > >- > > > Thanks to all. > > >rA > > > #Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is there?/Linux/CGI/Mysql)  > > > print @c=map chr: > $_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8,I > > > -68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90);m > > >t > > >  > >s > >  >s >8   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 13:15:32 -0800e* From: denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich)) Subject: DECwindows on multiple VMS hosts-< Message-ID: <d28306e.0304031315.74edbf53@posting.google.com>  C I have Reflections REFX running on my PC under NT. We have multiple-F VMS nodes, some VAX (V7.1VMS) and some Alpha (V7.3-1). I can point the@ REFX server at any node licensed for Motif, say NodeE, and get aB session manager running. Then its possible to start a decterm, setA host to NodeA, create a display pointing to the PC, then create alC decterm that pops up on the PC.  Note there are at least 2 decterms E running: one on NodeE and one on NodeA, required to get this to work.   F I would like to start DECterms on other nodes without the intermediateC decterm. So somehow, i have to login and run the create/display and E create/term commands without use of a DECterm, and I seem to remembert I did this in another life.e  E In that other life, I would fire up a 3100 workstation in the morningTB and then some login script would present me with a DECterm runningF from each of the VMS client nodes - with no intermediate logins that i
 was aware of.   . However, I cannot remember the command syntax.  0 It would seem that somehow, I have to launch theF "create/display-create/term" pair of commands, but without logging in.  C Has my memory been affected by errant alpha particles? or am I justf unable to see the obvious?   TIA for any commentary.. denny/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:38:32 -0400+0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>- Subject: Re: DECwindows on multiple VMS hostsS/ Message-ID: <3E8CC5E2.1EE9B793@vl.videotron.ca>e   Denny Rich wrote:$2 > It would seem that somehow, I have to launch theH > "create/display-create/term" pair of commands, but without logging in.  M VMS now has XDM server, which should theoretically allow you to select from a I list of hosts and start a session. However, I haven't been able to get it L working in direct, indirect or boradcast modes, and I think that indicect is not supported.  B Anothert way of doing this would be to create a command procedure < "CHOCOLATE.COM" on each node in you sys$login which does the  2 $SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=TCPIP/NODE=tcpipnode $CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACHED/etc   + (help create/TERMINAL and HELP SET DISPLAY)3  # then, from one VMS node, you issue:s  A $OPEN/READ/WRITE temp decnetnode"user password"::"TASK=CHOCOLATE"N $CLOSE TEMP   M It may generate some "network partner excited" messages, but it should createt! the detached decterm before that.i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:30:35 +0100* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>7 Subject: Re: Do OpenVMS Alpha have a Year 2057 problem?i5 Message-ID: <b6i63h$5o5t9$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>.  & <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message+ news:03040305095611@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com...lL > > Certainly VMS has no problem, but probably the Alpha firmware (something called > > "interval system clock"). . > > Do You expect to have Alphas in 2057 ? :-) >eE > 2057?  I will be 98.  I wonder if my own SET TIME algorythm will beh
 functional > at that time...e >i A mere stripling. B If I am still around then I would be 109.. Feasible, but unlikely!     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.netU http://www.travell.uk.net/       ---i& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003e   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 12:53:03 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)j! Subject: Don't hold you're breath\3 Message-ID: <dAKaW7FohO1Q@eisner.encompasserve.org>\  F  The Linux folks have been poking fun at Microsoft again.  Some of you  may feel the same:e  ,    http://news.com.com/2100-1002-994878.html    H    "We understand that achieving the goals of Trustworthy Computing willE    not be an easy task and that it will take several years, perhaps adD    decade or more before systems are trusted the way we envision," aA    Microsoft spokesman said in an e-mail response to the report. o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:53:09 GMTE# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-% Subject: Re: Don't hold you're breath3F Message-ID: <932ja.2050$az1.1827@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  @ "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in5 message news:dAKaW7FohO1Q@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >lD >  The Linux folks have been poking fun at Microsoft again.  Some of your >  may feel the same:  >h. >    http://news.com.com/2100-1002-994878.html >h >lE >    "We understand that achieving the goals of Trustworthy Computing9 willE >    not be an easy task and that it will take several years, perhapsa amF >    decade or more before systems are trusted the way we envision," aB >    Microsoft spokesman said in an e-mail response to the report. >v    F Why doesn't Microsoft just buy VMS and the whole development team fromF HP and rename the product to Trustworthy Windows? The development team will stay in Nashua.  F It shouldn't be much of an issue for them to get programmers to changeF programming paradigms - they did it before with the switch from DOS toA Windows. They'll give away free copies of the o/s and developmentt0 tools and voila, zillions of programs running on# OpenVMS...er...Trustworthy Windows.-  D They can then start winding down the entire operation in Redmond and' call all their old crap stuff 'legacy'.o   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 16:32:55 -0800_( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)% Subject: Re: Don't hold you're breath < Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304031632.963803d@posting.google.com>  v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<dAKaW7FohO1Q@eisner.encompasserve.org>...G > The Linux folks have been poking fun at Microsoft again.  Some of you  >  may feel the same:  > . >    http://news.com.com/2100-1002-994878.html > J >    "We understand that achieving the goals of Trustworthy Computing willG >    not be an easy task and that it will take several years, perhaps agF >    decade or more before systems are trusted the way we envision," aB >    Microsoft spokesman said in an e-mail response to the report.  = after reading the comp linux security board and the certs forh9 linux the past few years, people who live in glass houses  shouldn't throw stones ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 06:01:09 +0200e2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)# Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested ; Message-ID: <3e8d0385.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>i  " Tom Linden (tom@kednos.com) wrote:; > Brian Tillman <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote 0 > >> I've compiled the source Didier posted on : > >ND > > I've looked at all the posts from Didier on my news server and I; > > can't find any source, except for a couple of excerpts.  >  > posted 29-MARg  E And on 2-APR, under the subject "Re: The Space Invaders minute of thei6 day: source", Message-ID: <3E8A85AF.2050602@Free.fr> .   cu,e   Martin -- aB                         | Martin Vorlaender | VMS & WNT programmer1  OpenVMS: Where do you  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de'D  want to BE today?      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8                         | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 14:51:59 -0800o$ From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm)1 Subject: How do I stop a process that won't stop?i= Message-ID: <c67e4bdd.0304031451.2f9893ef@posting.google.com>r  F using stop process/id=xxxx doesn't work.  The command gives no errors,A but it doesn't work either.  sh system still shows the process ino& RWAST state.  Thanks for any guidance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:59:12 -0600  From: brandon@dalsemi.com-5 Subject: Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?e1 Message-ID: <03040316591254@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>t  H > using stop process/id=xxxx doesn't work.  The command gives no errors,C > but it doesn't work either.  sh system still shows the process inn( > RWAST state.  Thanks for any guidance.    Do a show process/id=xxx for us.  : While accessing a tape drive?  Power cycle the tape drive?   VAX, Alpha, VMS version?      ? I have had times when only a REBOOT would release this problem.   
 $ ANA/SYS  SDA>  " may help in isolating the problem.  4 If it is an open MAILBOX you maybe able to close it.  ( There is hope, just need the info above.       John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorm Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wke 972.371.4003 fxa   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:23:53 -0400y0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>5 Subject: Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?V/ Message-ID: <3E8CD080.E7FA51B1@vl.videotron.ca>a  	 jm wrote:v > H > using stop process/id=xxxx doesn't work.  The command gives no errors,C > but it doesn't work either.  sh system still shows the process inv( > RWAST state.  Thanks for any guidance.    I RWAST is VMS's erquivalent of the blue screen of death, but for a processoH only.  There are a few tolls that can try to undow that nasty state, but< generally, a reboot at your convenience is the only way out.  L NOTE if the process was doing some IO to tape such as TK50, letting it standF for a day or two may fix it (it would be waiting for one IO to take to6 complete, and on a TK50, this is measured in hours...)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:38:28 -0500-* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>5 Subject: Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?S/ Message-ID: <3E8CA9D4.23405.1039C409@localhost>n  ! On 3 Apr 2003 at 14:51, jm wrote: H > using stop process/id=xxxx doesn't work.  The command gives no errors,C > but it doesn't work either.  sh system still shows the process in1( > RWAST state.  Thanks for any guidance.  A This is covered in the FAQ, off of http://www.openvms.compaq.com.p  D Basically, the process is waiting for an I/O that never completes.  = Unless you can reach into the OS and release the device (not  = recommended), the only way you can eliminate it is to reboot.h  9 Fortunately, RWAST processes use very little resources...   
 --Stan Quayleo Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147e= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comh   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 20:21:48 -0800 $ From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm)5 Subject: Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?a= Message-ID: <c67e4bdd.0304032021.48f136bc@posting.google.com>c  R brandon@dalsemi.com wrote in message news:<03040316591254@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>...J > > using stop process/id=xxxx doesn't work.  The command gives no errors,E > > but it doesn't work either.  sh system still shows the process in * > > RWAST state.  Thanks for any guidance. > " > Do a show process/id=xxx for us. > < > While accessing a tape drive?  Power cycle the tape drive? >  > VAX, Alpha, VMS version? >  >  > A > I have had times when only a REBOOT would release this problem.S >  > $ ANA/SYS  > SDA> > $ > may help in isolating the problem. > 6 > If it is an open MAILBOX you maybe able to close it. > * > There is hope, just need the info above. > B It is actually NMBD (Samba).  It is just a "regular ole" process.  Alpha, OpenVMS 7.2-3   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 03 13:15:33 PSTn From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.come. Subject: Re: How does Shadow Copy REALLY work?( Message-ID: <O77dAdtMhbov@cpva.saic.com>  < In article <69d784c4.0304030817.5cf246c@posting.google.com>,1  Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org (Jack Trachtman) writes:nB > I've just reread the V7.3 "Volume Shadowing for OpenVMS" manual. > F > The text implies that there is some intelligence in a copy operationB > (e.g. see 2nd column in table 7-1).  I've always presumed that aH > "copy" was a physical copy, so the time to complete would be primarilyE > based on disk size and CPU load.  (This would also cover a possible1E > security situation on the target disk where no blocks would be lefteA > untouched.)  But the above mentioned table and some of the textt: > seems to say that the copy time is also dependant on howE > "different" the source and target disks are (which I can understandr, > in a "merge" situation, but not a "copy"). > A > Could someone elucidate on what algorithm "copy" actually uses?0 >  > Thanks  C Unwrap the following URL and check out Keith Parris' description at   0 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF9 -8&selm=cf15391e.0206070632.1cba91a7%40posting.google.comh  / or Scott Davis' DTJ article on the algorithm ata  F http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJ301/DTJ301SC.TXT   hth...   -- L - Jimv   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 16:16:31 -0800u1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)a. Subject: Re: How does Shadow Copy REALLY work?= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304031616.61fde77c@posting.google.com>r  r Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org (Jack Trachtman) wrote in message news:<69d784c4.0304030817.5cf246c@posting.google.com>...A > Could someone elucidate on what algorithm "copy" actually uses?b  A See the Digital Technical Journal article by Scott Davis entitledVA "Design of VMS Volume Shadowing Phase II-Host-based Shadowing" at-F http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJ301/DTJ301SC.TXT  = This is also covered in Chapter 5 of Roy G. Davis' VAXclusterV Principles book.  E You may also find my DECUS session on Volume Shadowing Performance too^ be helpful, at http://www.geocities.com/keithparris/decus_presentations/f2002_volshad_perf.ppt   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 06:07:33 GMT / From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net>o Subject: Re: How to get timing5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-oNfbCsv5d1NL@localhost>o  , On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:06:21 UTC, Alan Adams / <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:    <large Snip>  ," > It's LIB$INIT_TIMER to start it,B > LIB$SHOW_TIMER will output the elapsed statistics to SYS$OUTPUT,I > LIB$STAT_TIMER will return one of the 5 statistics for each call to it.     nF Thanks Alan. I checked it myself before I left work yesterday evening.8 I must bring a set of manuals home with me some time :-)   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:27:43 -0600 , From: Gary L. Ross <rossgl@parknicollet.com>= Subject: Re: HP killing Golden Eggs- future of goose unknown..8 Message-ID: <cpgp8v4di5r06hf3mmfrh6m5oc4jiiu81g@4ax.com>  C What version of Visio has DEC/Compaq boxes in it?  It would help to02 have this for documentaion of the system.  Thanks.   Gary L. Ross Park Nicollet Health Servicesi rossgl@parknicollet.comp    F On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:23:28 +0000, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:   >VAXVMS wrote: >> h: >> Did anybody else find this tool to be extremely useful? > D >We use this tool, but use more of Visio which has DEC/Compaq boxes,D >mainly because we are obviously needing multi vendor diagrams. I'll: >mention it's [possible?] demise to the collective here...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 00:35:20 GMTr7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)y= Subject: Re: HP killing Golden Eggs- future of goose unknown. , Message-ID: <cr4ja.78368$Zo.17885@sccrnsc03>  g In article <cpgp8v4di5r06hf3mmfrh6m5oc4jiiu81g@4ax.com>, Gary L. Ross <rossgl@parknicollet.com> writes:eD >What version of Visio has DEC/Compaq boxes in it?  It would help to3 >have this for documentaion of the system.  Thanks.c  J I don't use it any more, but there was a version (V5 or 6???) that had DECL boxes listed in the *network* equipment section, rather than in the "normal") place that you would expect to find them.m   >a
 >Gary L. Rossi >Park Nicollet Health Services >rossgl@parknicollet.com >u > G >On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:23:28 +0000, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>  >wrote:T >  >>VAXVMS wrote:v >>> ; >>> Did anybody else find this tool to be extremely useful?n >>E >>We use this tool, but use more of Visio which has DEC/Compaq boxes,-E >>mainly because we are obviously needing multi vendor diagrams. I'lle; >>mention it's [possible?] demise to the collective here...S >s  A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:10:27 -0600y, From: Gary L. Ross <rossgl@parknicollet.com>, Subject: Re: HSD50 Firmware - Latest Version8 Message-ID: <f6cp8vc0b36drg13vqdkv4vcvofbrr75qr@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:50:52 -0500, "Bob  Lail" <robert.lail@hp.com>r wrote:  J >No, V5.7D is the latest and last.  V5.4D and V5.7D  require OpenVMS Alpha6 >V6.2-1H3 or OpenVMS VAX V6.2 as the minimum OS level. >e >o
 >\Bob Lail  C What version of firmware do I need to have to run VMS 7.2-2??  WilloE 5.4 work (since that is what we have)?  If not where can I locate/buywD the correct firmware revision to allow us to run VMS 7.2-2.  Thanks.   Gary L. Ross Park Nicollet Health Services  rossgl@parknicollet.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:05:49 -0600n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r9 Subject: Re: Include an automated date within a printout.m' Message-ID: <3E8CF68D.EE3E751F@fsi.net>f   Brian Tillman wrote: > 3 > >Could you elaborate on "not _that_ hard" please.r > L > Well, I wrote a modified print symbiont (in Fortran, no less), and it onlyN > took a couple of days to get it working, using the VMS documentation.  So, IK > guess it means "if I can do it, and if you can read, you can do it, too."h  F ...which assumes that the reader knows where to find the doc.'s on the6 PSM$ routines are, or even thatsuch things even exist.  A Gotta provide background on statements like that to qualify them.i   -- m David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 23:41 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)-9 Subject: Re: Include an automated date within a printout. , Message-ID: <3APR200323413899@gerg.tamu.edu>  n In article <10822590.0304031055.1662334e@posting.google.com>, JohnEllicottington@lycos.co.uk (Johno) writes...u }Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.44.0304021124320.24240-100000@localhost.localdomain>... K }> > >Does anyone know a way I can get a standard ASCII text file to outputoK }> > >to the printer on a VAX VMS/DCL system and contained with the output,s }> > >regardless when run, }>   }> How about $ PRINT/HEADER  }> ? }RobE }This will just produce a header page prior to printing of the actual  }file.D }I do not think I have been very clear here. I have a standard asciiF }text file which runs to about 40/50 lines of instructions. In the topE }right had corner of the file is 'Day: Friday only' and below this isgE }'Date: __________'. This is where I would write the appropriate daterE }on the actual printout. This is what I was hoping could be automatedaE }and the date actually inserted into the file at this point each time  }it is produced. }Johno  E Break the existing file into 2 pieces - everything before the "Date:"o@ line and everything after it. Call them part1.txt and part2.txt.  C Then in your .COM file have it create a file that has one line, theh* line that the "Date:" is one. For example:   $ open/write df tmp.tmpnD $ write df "            Date: ", F$CVTime("TODAY","ABSOULTE","DATE")
 $ close df   Then do something like  , $ copy part1.txt,tmp.tmp,part2.txt final.txt  ' to make them all one file for printing.a  E This becomes a little more complicated if there is other info on thate. line that isn't fixed, but it is still doable.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 12:49:09 -0600?; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)tG Subject: Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust:3 Message-ID: <5SErnxARnsfT@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  o In article <v8otgtbtat4ued@corp.supernews.com>, "Lee Courtney" <lcourtney@-REMOVETHISFILTER-mvista.com> writes:0L > I have been lurking in this news group for a couple years and observe thatK > this sounds like the HP3000 and MPE/iX a few years ago. Where is MPE now?e  F    Folks like Gartner have been saying a couple years for VMS for overM    a decade.  They haven't been able tomake it a self fullfilling prediction.p   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 22:04:29 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>DG Subject: Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bustiF Message-ID: <Nd2ja.2054$az1.1399@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  @ "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in5 message news:5SErnxARnsfT@eisner.encompasserve.org...g@ > In article <v8otgtbtat4ued@corp.supernews.com>, "Lee Courtney"0 <lcourtney@-REMOVETHISFILTER-mvista.com> writes:A > > I have been lurking in this news group for a couple years and- observe thatD > > this sounds like the HP3000 and MPE/iX a few years ago. Where is MPE now? > C >    Folks like Gartner have been saying a couple years for VMS forp overC >    a decade.  They haven't been able tomake it a self fullfillinge prediction.0    & Okay...here's something to chew on....  E The current HP tv and print media advertising campaign is world-wide.h? It's costing tens of millions of dollars/euros/etc...maybe even  hundreds of millions.u  = Name the three operating systems that HP 'sells' that are noti mentioned in any of the ads.   Give up?   Tru64, MPE, and OpenVMS.  9 Two are announced to be formally dead, ....the other....?t  C Of the tens of millions they are spending on this one campaign, notoC one cent has been to promote OpenVMS. There are literally dozens ofiC current customer cases studies that could have been used that woulda- show clear advantages of VMS and clusters and E disaster-tolerance/recovery but none were. What clearer indication ofe intent do you want?    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 16:34:18 -0800a1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) G Subject: Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304031634.54f444b7@posting.google.com>s  t "Lee Courtney" <lcourtney@-REMOVETHISFILTER-mvista.com> wrote in message news:<v8otgtbtat4ued@corp.supernews.com>...L > I have been lurking in this news group for a couple years and observe thatK > this sounds like the HP3000 and MPE/iX a few years ago. Where is MPE now?i > D > I strongly suspect the same sad MPE story is playing out with VMS.  D The biggest difference between VMS' situation and that of MPE is oneF of critical mass: from what I'm told, VMS today generates more than 40C times the annual revenues that the MPE business had at the time thetC EOL decision was made (VMS business actually represents about 5% ofA> the total business for HP), and the VMS business is also quite profitable.P   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 16:55:12 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304031655.210fc970@posting.google.com>h  q "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<Xhpia.2368$7Im.1820@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... 
 > March 28+ >  http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8585k > ? > ....Perhaps the BCS layoffs taking place this week, initiallyoB > targeting marketingg resources, will help set things straight byF > dispensing with ineffectual marketeers whose continued employment atA > HP has ben nothing but a drain on stock value and HP resources.- > E > Given the shaky position of the soon-to-be pasture-ized Tru64 UNIX,@F > and HP's conscious decision to NOT promote OpenVMS to new customers,H > perhaps the lack of knowledge of the RetainTrust Program will serve as' > a wake-up call to aneemic marketeers.m >  > ...... > @ > We can only hope this is the case. A quick read of HP's recentG > financials and some informed extrapolation will prove that OpenVMS iseG > a $800USD-in-profit cash cow that is being milked to the tune of moreY> > than $100M USD per annum to prop up Tru64 UNIX and the RiskyH > Consolidated Enterprise UNIX scheme (made even riskier since the Tru64E > UNIX kernel developers, whose participation is essential to the newVF > and improved UNIX offering, have been cashiered). Mo Hello, HP. Have > you woken up yet?V >  > --------------------    " you conveniently left this out ...  A But not all the news is bad: HP recently ran a survey wherein the F company polled customers as to what apps they'd like to see on OpenVMSD on Itanium (Oracle, Oracle Rdb, and the usual arrray of compiler andC developent tools are shoo-ins) and what new apps they'd like to seerB ported to the unstoppable, bet-your-business OS. A portent of goodE things to come? Quite possibly, but only if HP gets its BCS marketing 
 act together.t    D If I were the average VMS customer, I would wait and see how itaniumB vms pans out ... the last thing I would do is port to an unstable,< unsecure, vms wanna be os like linux and watch my hairs turnC prematurely gray ... alpha will be around thru 2011 and that leavesO> plenty of time to evaluate itanium vms ... a lot can happen toC vms in that time ... if HP doesn't want it, maybe someone with someSA brains and advertising dollars will buy vms ... vms sells itself,eC all that is needed is a commitment to it ... HP may just come thru, D but there is no need to jump off the cliff with the linux crowd now.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 04:29:57 GMTr# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>IG Subject: Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bustFH Message-ID: <9T7ja.34235$7Im.17716@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0304031634.54f444b7@posting.google.com...sB > "Lee Courtney" <lcourtney@-REMOVETHISFILTER-mvista.com> wrote in3 message news:<v8otgtbtat4ued@corp.supernews.com>...oA > > I have been lurking in this news group for a couple years andh observe thatD > > this sounds like the HP3000 and MPE/iX a few years ago. Where is MPE now? > >sF > > I strongly suspect the same sad MPE story is playing out with VMS. >fF > The biggest difference between VMS' situation and that of MPE is oneE > of critical mass: from what I'm told, VMS today generates more than5 40E > times the annual revenues that the MPE business had at the time theLE > EOL decision was made (VMS business actually represents about 5% oft@ > the total business for HP), and the VMS business is also quite
 > profitable.   ? So why isn't HP spending money to expand the VMS business. They A supposedly got this kick-ass program that guarantees great systemsE values on trade-in of Alphas for Itanics in a few years. Hell, that'scD a great tool to drive boatloads of new customers to the best generalD purpose operating system on the planet. But it's not advertised, not@ talked about with potential customers because HP doesn't talk to potential customers of VMS.   > Without advertising and marketing of VMS, HP could place an adE offering free* money to all customers.....*offer contingent on buyingtA OpenVMS based systems...and guess what...they still wouldn't selle@ unless there was a really good VMS awareness campaign behind it.   tongue-in-cheek.....D carly: "I sleep better at night knowing that the nuclear power plantE down the road is controlled by HP systems running OpenVMS. I wouldn'ta/ feel this way with ANY other operating system."o   or  F Customer: "When I look around at all our competitors and hear of theirA systems being hacked and compromised, I wonder what they're doing D wrong. And then I realize that it's what we're done right - building< our infrastructure on Alphaservers running OpenVMS from HP."    E How many new customers are jumping on-board? Only the ones that ISV'sw? bring to the table, and not enough to replace the ones that are  leaving VMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 06:28:18 GMTs+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) G Subject: Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bustn9 Message-ID: <6C9ja.2249$Q27.213528@twister.austin.rr.com>d  " John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote: :  : tongue-in-cheek.....F : carly: "I sleep better at night knowing that the nuclear power plantG : down the road is controlled by HP systems running OpenVMS. I wouldn'tr1 : feel this way with ANY other operating system."u :    Or  I Carly: "I can now fly safely is Swiss airspace on my HP-supplied Grumman nJ         Gulfstream IV after convincing Skyguide to have their air traffic L         control center application ported to OpenVMS, instead of Windows NT"  , For those who don't know the Skyguide story:  5    http://www.transoft.com/news/skyguide_announce.htm,:    Skyguide selects Transoft to migrate DG MV applications  K Too bad SCADA and air traffic control systems aren't OpenVMS niche markets..    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaill   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 12:33:33 -0600e; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!!3 Message-ID: <af5Rr$sG7Z33@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  i In article <x5Eia.302699$3D1.166572@sccrnsc01>, brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:p > P > Seems pretty clear (to a layman) that HP could persue a trademark infringement
 > lawsuit. >   F    Yep.  You might not mistake a vacuum cleaner for a 32 bit computer,G    but HP OpenVMS systems and the vault system are both heavily related     to computers and software.    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:00:34 -0800 (PST). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!!? Message-ID: <20030403220034.1773.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>e  + REFRESH the page ! It happened to me too !     Regardsa   FC o> --- Brian Tillman <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote: > >This would be a twofer: > >d > >http://www.alphavax.com/t > : > That page comes up a blank for me (javascript disabled). > -- nK > Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com47 > Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.IB > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 : >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >  >      =====i ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazill fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?= Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and moreh http://tax.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:56:35 GMTq# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!!F Message-ID: <n62ja.2051$az1.1149@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  @ "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in5 message news:J52WgNXFUp1l@eisner.encompasserve.org...a? > In article <857e9e41.0304021807.2e9d3bb2@posting.google.com>,l3 susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:fE > > Just so the newsgroup is aware, HP Law has been informed.  We arer trademarked. > >e > > Warm Regards,r > > Suen > >. > D >    Thanks.  It's always good to see some non-Palmer-like behaviour from >    the owners of VMS.      Bob,  < Sue said that the HP (or is it hp) Legal department had beenB *informed*. Palmer was informed too. Question is - will hp's legal3 department do anything about it...just like Palmer?t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:26:35 -0600l1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i, Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl for Wed April 2nd' Message-ID: <3E8CFB6B.422E6C85@fsi.net>6   John Smith wrote:, > [snip]H > But if HP were marketing OpenVMS there would be LOTS of companies that$ > would be hiring former-VMS talent.  A BUT - what's in it for HPQ, and how do you convince them of it soeA strongly that they'll readily let go of past habits / practices / 5 prejudices / alliances / etc. and actually advertise?s   $64,000,000,000 question.f   -- s David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 04:21:11 GMT.# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>,, Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl for Wed April 2ndH Message-ID: <XK7ja.34178$7Im.16804@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E8CFB6B.422E6C85@fsi.net...  > John Smith wrote:E
 > > [snip]E > > But if HP were marketing OpenVMS there would be LOTS of companiesn that& > > would be hiring former-VMS talent. >mC > BUT - what's in it for HPQ, and how do you convince them of it so C > strongly that they'll readily let go of past habits / practices /i7 > prejudices / alliances / etc. and actually advertise?e  F At this point, nothing. HP is currently spending probably in excess ofF $100 million on their world-wide TV and print ad campaign to advertiseC HP generally, and specific customers using HP hardware and Windows,tD NSK, HP-UX, and Linux. They have not spent one cent in this campaignB advertising OpenVMS - the only other operating system of the otherC three they still *support* (Tru64, MPE, VMS) that they have not yetn+ officially EOL'd.  What does that tell you?   : To me it says that the final shoe is about to drop on VMS.     >v > $64,000,000,000 question.C    B Actually the amount of money is whatever Intel gave Compaq for theC assassination of Alpha, ostensibly for the porting costs to Itanic.t  C Presumably Compaq would have spent the, what was it...$150 million,oF porting to Itanic whether Intel coughed it up or not once the decisionC to change architectures was made. So the big question is, where was D the 'Compaq' money that would have otherwise been spent on the port?  B Probably spent on advertising Wintel and other money losing stuff.E Certainly none of it was spent on driving the VMS market forward, nor 6 on VMS advertising. $26 million of it went with Curly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:36:58 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Reading a raw CDu/ Message-ID: <3E8D19CE.EB120581@vl.videotron.ca>    OK, tried something.   Setup:  N CD ROM (RRD42) connected to a SCSI-QBUS adaptor that makes the CD appear as an
 RA81 or RA82.e  E I try to MOUNT/FOREIGN a Audio CD and it fails with controller error.h  N I'd like to just "browse" raw data in the audio CD or perhaps a Kodak photo CDK to see what the home bolocks look like and if there is any interesting text@ embedded inside the disk.    Is there a way to do this ?   K Would having the CD drive connected on a microvax 3100 which as a real SCSIoD interface allow me greater access to the data stored inside any CD ?  = Does backup/physical require the drive be mountable/foreign ??   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:36:10 -0600l From: brandon@dalsemi.com . Subject: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE1 Message-ID: <03040316361006@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>!  L We have an old version of Teradyne Remote File Transfer (RFT) V3.03 that ranL under VAX VMS V3.1.  I can copy the .exe onto a VAX VMS V7.2 and it will run& with no problem and works as designed.  6 I would like to migrate this application to Alpha VMS.  N I have tried to VEST the VAX image with no results - VEST can not translate as it is too old.  J I have tried to re-compile the source on Alpha with the following results:  & %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 2 undefined symbols: %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         GETADR %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         WTQIOn4 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol GETADR referenced)         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000540-=         in module SETTRM file DISK$DEV:[MYDIR.RFT]RFTSUB.OBJ;s3 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol WTQIO referencedk)         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000570p=         in module SETTRM file DISK$DEV:[MYDIR.RFT]RFTSUB.OBJ;n  3 Obviously the modules GETADR & WTQIO are missing.  s     RFT Description:E RFT is a hardware and software package specifically designed to allowMO bidirectional ASCII code file transfer capability between Teradyne test systems J and host computers (VMS/VAX).  RFT operates on asynchronous communicationsL lines and provides a simple serial hard-wired connection for data transfer.   (We use a DECserver connection).7 In a nut-shell, RFT is KERMIT for the Teradyne testers.c     Has anyone have these modules? Anyone have a work-around?     John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wko 972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:45:17 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>u2 Subject: Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNEA Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030403154246.020d9260@raptor.psccos.com>i  0 At 03:36 PM 4/3/2003, brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:M >We have an old version of Teradyne Remote File Transfer (RFT) V3.03 that raniM >under VAX VMS V3.1.  I can copy the .exe onto a VAX VMS V7.2 and it will rune' >with no problem and works as designed.y >d7 >I would like to migrate this application to Alpha VMS.g > O >I have tried to VEST the VAX image with no results - VEST can not translate asm >it is too old.n >.K >I have tried to re-compile the source on Alpha with the following results:p >t' >%LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 2 undefined symbols:a >%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         GETADR- >%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         WTQIO5 >%LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol GETADR referencedC+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000540t? >         in module SETTRM file DISK$DEV:[MYDIR.RFT]RFTSUB.OBJ; 4 >%LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol WTQIO referenced+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000570e? >         in module SETTRM file DISK$DEV:[MYDIR.RFT]RFTSUB.OBJ;i >s2 >Obviously the modules GETADR & WTQIO are missing.  K Those modules look like they're old RSX function calls (I'm an old RSX-er).aG Could this be something that runs in compatibility mode?  WTQIO was thekJ way you did a synchronous QIO in RSX FORTRAN.  GETADR was what you used toJ get the address of a variable in a FORTRAN program so you could pass it toJ a function.  I don't know if this held true in F77 for VMS of that vintage as well.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:54:54 -0600n From: brandon@dalsemi.com 2 Subject: Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE1 Message-ID: <03040316545429@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>j  M > Those modules look like they're old RSX function calls (I'm an old RSX-er).0I > Could this be something that runs in compatibility mode?  WTQIO was theVL > way you did a synchronous QIO in RSX FORTRAN.  GETADR was what you used toL > get the address of a variable in a FORTRAN program so you could pass it toL > a function.  I don't know if this held true in F77 for VMS of that vintage
 > as well.  M I have the old Installation docs. (dated 1982) and F77 and RSX-11M is writtenc5 all over them.  RFT would run on either VAX or PDP11.D       John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorc Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wke 972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:02:17 -0700.% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>-2 Subject: Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNEA Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030403160030.020fa4d0@raptor.psccos.com>a  0 At 03:54 PM 4/3/2003, brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:O > > Those modules look like they're old RSX function calls (I'm an old RSX-er).mK > > Could this be something that runs in compatibility mode?  WTQIO was theeN > > way you did a synchronous QIO in RSX FORTRAN.  GETADR was what you used toN > > get the address of a variable in a FORTRAN program so you could pass it toN > > a function.  I don't know if this held true in F77 for VMS of that vintage > > as well. > N >I have the old Installation docs. (dated 1982) and F77 and RSX-11M is written6 >all over them.  RFT would run on either VAX or PDP11.  E Well, there you are, then.  Looks like you can't do what you want to.S  F Geez, I haven't dusted off the F77 RSX section of my brain since 1985!   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:21:07 -0400t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE/ Message-ID: <3E8CCFDB.CE018B32@vl.videotron.ca>    brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:3 > Obviously the modules GETADR & WTQIO are missing.i  P Have you considered using the VAX disassembler to try to extract those modules ?   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 15:02:51 -08000$ From: rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan)G Subject: Repeated error message on boot: "posix lockfile to go away..."g= Message-ID: <fbcf38dc.0304031502.407a7c86@posting.google.com>1   Guys:w  C One of my systems is sick.  When it tries to boot, I repeatedly geto the message:  4 POSIX$UID_UPGRADE waiting for lockfile to go away...  F What I imagine I will have to do is boot this interactively and deleteC the offending lockfile.  Since I have no idea which file this couldeF be, this could take me a while.  I guess another idea is to remove the+ Posix stuff and hope the problem goes away.o  ! Does anybody have any good ideas?a   Thanks, 	 /RC Bryan    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:35:45 +0200( From: "Jean-Luc RAYON" <jl-r@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Second IP address2 Message-ID: <b6bfht$927$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>  5 If your interface name ise EI0 ou can use by example:    $TCPIP  H set conf inter IEA0 /host=10.0.0.1 /netw=255.0.0.0 /broad=10.255.255.255  D set interf IEA0 /host=10.0.0.1 /netw=255.0.0.0 /broad=10.255.255.255   set conf inter IEA1p< /host=192.168.111.6/netw=255.255.255.0/broad=192.168.111.255  L set interf IEA1 /host=192.168.111.6/netw=255.255.255.0/broad=192.168.111.255   etc..s  F If your interface name is WE0  the interface name is WEA0, WEA1 etc...  	 J-L RAYON   = "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> a crit dans le message de news:s* b6a61f$38gqn$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de...K > Is it possible to add a second IP address on a single ethernet interface?n > # > I run the following combinations:v > / > AXP/VMS 7.3 with  TCPIP services for VMS V5.1a. > VAX/VMS 7.2 with TCPIP services for VMS V5.1 >pK > I want to add connectivity to network 10.0.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0 for the L > new ADSL router. The other options are either adding an ethernet interface6 > on the AXP or modify all IP addresses on my systems. >a > Hans Vlems >"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 05:40:13 +0200-2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)" Subject: Re: SMTP authentification; Message-ID: <3e8cfe9d.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>i  : Phillip Helbig (HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com) wrote:E > > > TCPware and Multinet are stacks, PMDF runs on top of any stack.s/ > > > How does the MX package figure into this?m > > G > > It is similar to PMDF, it sits on top of VMS-Mail and/or the TCP/IPi
 > > stack. > E > OK.  Does anyone know if MX supports SMTP authentification from VMSp > MAIL?   H MX is much smaller than PMDF, it's a mail transfer agent (MTA) only. TheH server side of V5.x does support SMTP authentication. Don't know whether5 the SMTP agent can also authenticate, but I doubt it.   F I've also never looked into whether PINE (free version or the one that. comes with PMDF) contains SMTP authentication.   cu,h   Martin -- rJ One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 12:37:48 -0600g; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...3 Message-ID: <xXZ03wjPc$Ep@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  p In article <3e8b4d55_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes:N > The *real* story here is potential for the impending death of Sparc.  If SunD > embraces Opteron, why would they continue to throw money at Sparc?  F    To maintain the reputation they have from thier long term continued    support of 68K and x86 !n   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 12:39:29 -0600o; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...3 Message-ID: <M6Jot1XhMj10@eisner.encompasserve.org>C  h In article <d7791aa1.0304030846.744caf16@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:   > I did read it, and: > the article states here that itanium doesn't have 32 bit > compatibility ...i  G    So are you going to believe someone who makes money by making noise,-    or Intel's web site?:   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:29:35 -0400H0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility .... Message-ID: <3E8C7D8A.4BA64FD@vl.videotron.ca>   Bob Ceculski wrote:e> > if you read the paragraph before, it states itanium does not; > have 32 bit compatibility, therefore suggesting that theyT  > are talking about opteron ...     L You need to improve your reading skills. When I read that part, it was clearD that they were talking about IA64 being very very slow with its 8086L compatibility mode. Remember that the initial batches of IA64 had 2 "cores",H one for IA64 and one for 8086 which made for a very large chip, reducing8 yields to a point where IA64 wasn't commercially viable.  ( (source: Digital engineer presentations)  N Hammer doesn't bneed to emulate the 32bit 8086 because it already has it. As aJ matter of fact, from what I have read, it is its 64 bit mode which will beM slower than its 32 bit mode for many applications sicne it has to move largeru1 chunks of data everytime it wants an address etc.r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:02:43 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...2 Message-ID: <9VKdnYT1mtEIIBGjXTWc3g@metrocast.net>  6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:3E8C669D.6090001@MMaz.com...- > Bob Ceculski wrote:  >e8 > >"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message. news:<xCSdnd02joTg3hajXTWc3w@metrocast.net>... > >l > >o9 > >>"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message3; > >>news:d7791aa1.0304021136.3bcaf50d@posting.google.com...5 > >> > >>; > >>>this eweek article confirms what I expected, just likea8 > >>>when you run emulation mode on an AS400 w/system3x,; > >>>you kill the processor by 50% ... and it looks this is  > >>>also the case with AMDt > >>>w > >>>rH > >>No, Bob:  you're just continuing your near 0.000 batting average forI > >>competency.  If you actually *read* the article, you'd have seen thatm the J > >>32-bit performance being denigrated is Itanic's, not Opteron's (and if you K > >>had the slightest clue about Opteron you'd know that its 32-bit SPECint F > >>performance at 2 GHz is faster than the fastest current Pentium's, whereasxK > >>according to HP Itanic2's performance on 32-bit code is more like a 300/ MHzq > >>Pentium Pro).b > >>
 > >>- bill > >> > >> > >t > >I did read it, ande; > >the article states here that itanium doesn't have 32 bitS > >compatibility ...  J This is not the best-written article one might find.  Of course Itanic hasL 32-bit compatibility:  it's just extremely slow (possibly to the point whereJ some people might consider that it was sufficiently useless not to qualify as 'compatible', I suppose).  C Nonetheless, the intent of the article certainly appears to be as I I described it above, poorly-worded though it may have been:  the fact that > Opteron offers not only complete 32-bit compatibility but alsoL top-of-the-line 32-bit performance makes any other interpretation untenable.   > >VE > >"We are not seeing or hearing anything from our customers and ISVs G > >that indicates they want or need Itanium. But we are seeing interesttH > >for the upcoming Opteron processor family, essentially because it hasE > >32-node compatibility, which Itanium doesn't," said John Loiacono,c5 > >vice president of Sun's operating platforms group.- > >- > >-F > Are you folks confusing '32-node' with '32-bit' because I do not see" > 32-bit anywhere in your snippet.  H That was pretty clearly (from subsequent context) a typo in the original# article:  it meant to say '32-bit'.i  #   It it is my understanding the theeC > Opteron processor has built onto the chips the ability to supportsI > multi-way processor configurations coming out of the gate.  Is that noti > what they are referring to???a  K No.  The on-chip Opteron support is limited to 8 processors (though if they D go to dual cores next year as seems likely it can probably support 8H dual-core chips):  IIRC they don't use a directory-based cache-coherenceJ mechanism, which requires increased message traffic that limits scaling toD larger glueless configurations.  AFAIK there is no definite date yetK announced for larger configurations, though AMD is working with Newisys and-H others on up to at least 32-processor configurations (which will requireE external chipset support, perhaps incorporating directory-based cache < coherence, unlike the glueless on-chip support for up to 8).  H While this will initially limit Opteron's scalability, the fact that theH sweet spot in the 'commodity' server market seems to be 8 processors and! below makes it a good first step.3   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:08:26 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...2 Message-ID: <krKdnXocnOl0IxGjXTWcoA@metrocast.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagee( news:3E8C7D8A.4BA64FD@vl.videotron.ca... > Bob Ceculski wrote:n@ > > if you read the paragraph before, it states itanium does not= > > have 32 bit compatibility, therefore suggesting that theyr! > > are talking about opteron ...: >i > H > You need to improve your reading skills. When I read that part, it was clearpF > that they were talking about IA64 being very very slow with its 8086E > compatibility mode. Remember that the initial batches of IA64 had 2o "cores",J > one for IA64 and one for 8086 which made for a very large chip, reducing: > yields to a point where IA64 wasn't commercially viable. >l* > (source: Digital engineer presentations) >.K > Hammer doesn't bneed to emulate the 32bit 8086 because it already has it.  As aL > matter of fact, from what I have read, it is its 64 bit mode which will beH > slower than its 32 bit mode for many applications sicne it has to move larger3 > chunks of data everytime it wants an address etc.m  I Nope.  According to Fred Weber, moving a given application to 64-bit moderG should on average improve performance by about 20% (assuming comparable G compiler optimization).  In part this will result from the fact that in L 64-bit mode there are 8 additional general-purpose registers to make use of:C x86 has always been a very register-starved architecture, and whilesG extensive use of register renaming in recent implementations has helpedtL alleviate this it still significantly hobbles the compiler in the efficiency of the code it can generate.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:35:33 -0600H1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e# Subject: StorageTek on SAN with VMSa' Message-ID: <3E8CFD85.DDE4E958@fsi.net>a  E I may be blazing a VMS trail here, but it's possible someone else hasp gone before me.-  E We're putting up twin STK L700E libraries via a FCSF SAN. STK insiststG that the tape drives can be connected to SAN via their SCSI/FC switchesa without using an HSG.e   Has anyone else done this?  - ...or am I doing the Davy Crocket thing here?e   -- k David J. Dachteram dba DJE Systemsg http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:23:26 -0600i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>rN Subject: Re: SYSTARTUP_VMS (was: Three questions re: the VMS startup proce	ss)& Message-ID: <3E8CFAAE.C5AFC2C@fsi.net>  
 VAXVMS wrote:a >  > John Brandon said: > >  > > C > >> Even with LAT? It used to refuse to CONnect with logins=0, anda6 > >> as there was no connect, privs did not matter. :( > > G > >Do not know, never had the oppurtunity to connect using LAT during ai
 > startup. > >Always a VT or DECnet.l > >  > >John Brandone > >VMS Systems Administrator > >Dallas Semiconductorr > >john.brandon@dalsemi.com' > >972.371.4172 wk > >972.371.4003 fx > >  > $ > This newsgroup is really slipping. > ? > Nobody mentioned names, quests or sparrows in response to thef >  phrase "Three questions." > @ > AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  B Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions$ three, e'er the other side ye see...  F Of course, today, it's "who would publish an OpenVMS ad must answer me5 these questions three, e'er the printed ad ye see..."    To quote Bill Webb again,   @ > AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   -- M David J. Dachteraa dba DJE SystemsR http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/4   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:09:55 -0600s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>sM Subject: Re: SYSTARTUP_VMS (was: Three questions re: the VMS startup process)n' Message-ID: <3E8CF783.855EE6CA@fsi.net>3   Paul Repacholi wrote:s >  > brandon@dalsemi.com writes:t > G > > Then the last command procedure that you execute sets the logins to F > > a sufficient value - I use a logical set in SYLOGICALS to do this. > A > > Note that /defpriv=OPER?  This will allow you into the systemu" > > regardless of the set logins=0 > @ > Even with LAT? It used to refuse to CONnect with logins=0, and3 > as there was no connect, privs did not matter. :(h  G If that were true, even the SysAdmin couldn't login via LAT, and I know- that it *DID* work.1  H Setting logins to zero *WILL* impact the dynamic rating, but won't "turn off" inbound LAT connections.g   --   David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:11:56 -0600t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>eM Subject: Re: SYSTARTUP_VMS (was: Three questions re: the VMS startup process)g' Message-ID: <3E8CF7FC.F742578D@fsi.net>    brandon@dalsemi.com wrote: > B > > Even with LAT? It used to refuse to CONnect with logins=0, and5 > > as there was no connect, privs did not matter. :(h > O > Do not know, never had the oppurtunity to connect using LAT during a startup.c > Always a VT or DECnet.  G I had that opportunity. LAT connect uses the JBC to create the process,oH and JBC won't create an interactive process until SET LOGINS/INTER=x hasH been executed at least once during the system startup, regardless of the
 value of "x".s   -- o David J. Dachteraw dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 16:27:07 -0800s  From: nmanser@progis.de (Manser) Subject: tcpip Programming= Message-ID: <2178d61f.0304031627.49ee0915@posting.google.com>n   Hello folks,  J I don't know if it is the right newsgroup, so i explain what i want to do.I I would like to write a programm to download http files from www sites inl2 the backgroud, without surfing over a web Browser.7 as a start point i have the tcpip Programming examples.e  : Have someone already done this kind of tcpip Programming ? I appreciate any help or hints.o   Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 02:17:43 GMTyL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: tcpip Programming6 Message-ID: <00A1DD95.C886BEA7@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  ` In article <2178d61f.0304031627.49ee0915@posting.google.com>, nmanser@progis.de (Manser) writes:
 >Hello folks,a > K >I don't know if it is the right newsgroup, so i explain what i want to do.aJ >I would like to write a programm to download http files from www sites in3 >the backgroud, without surfing over a web Browser.n8 >as a start point i have the tcpip Programming examples. >d; >Have someone already done this kind of tcpip Programming ?d  >I appreciate any help or hints.  J You might look at the VMS port of WGET (which does exactly this), or check out perl and libwww.    K It's not clear whether you'd like to write the program because you want the<J experience of writing the program or because you need the functionality.    N If you need the functionality you can probably get it from the tools I mentionL above.  If want to write the program, you might get hints from them, but you6 should probably sit down and read the HTTP spec first.   -- Alane  O ===============================================================================c0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056eM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025sO ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:29:25 -0400a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: tcpip Programming/ Message-ID: <3E8CDFD8.81598083@vl.videotron.ca>i  
 Manser wrote:bL > I don't know if it is the right newsgroup, so i explain what i want to do.K > I would like to write a programm to download http files from www sites iny4 > the backgroud, without surfing over a web Browser.  N the VMS OSU Web Server comes with a utility called FETCH_HTTP which does that.  / KERMIT also has that ability. And so does Perl.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:36:24 -0500 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> Subject: Re: tcpip Programming- Message-ID: <3E8CA958.421.1037E0B9@localhost>t  L > I don't know if it is the right newsgroup, so i explain what i want to do.K > I would like to write a programm to download http files from www sites inn4 > the backgroud, without surfing over a web Browser.9 > as a start point i have the tcpip Programming examples.e  @ Probably the easiest thing you could do would be to get the VMS D version "lynx", which is a text-based browser.  You can capture the " page source with a "-dump" option.  A I have written a DCL script which recurses through web sites and r/ picks up files that match a particular pattern.e  
 --Stan Quaylef Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671i1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147c= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comw   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 23:13:50 -0400b0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: tcpip Programming/ Message-ID: <3E8CF84A.83E8DB2A@vl.videotron.ca>    "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:A > Probably the easiest thing you could do would be to get the VMS E > version "lynx", which is a text-based browser.  You can capture thea$ > page source with a "-dump" option.  B Is there a way to save just the text portion of a page with lynx ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 05:34:55 GMTe0 From: HARANGOZO CSABA   <spameater@spam.invalid> Subject: Re: tcpip Programming6 Message-ID: <3Q8ja.1112$e8.59558@nasal.pacific.net.au>  1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:  > "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:B >> Probably the easiest thing you could do would be to get the VMSF >> version "lynx", which is a text-based browser.  You can capture the% >> page source with a "-dump" option.w  D > Is there a way to save just the text portion of a page with lynx ?  A 	I think yes. When you view the page you want to save, just pressoB 	"p". It will present 4 options, the first one is "Save to a local9 	file". ( I have done this on Linux + Lynx, quite good. ). 	Hope this helps...  						Cheers,  Csaba  J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:2  + 	The bigger the front, the bigger the back.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 22:09:20 -0800r# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)Y Subject: Re: tcpip Programming< Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0304032209.b6434e2@posting.google.com>  e nmanser@progis.de (Manser) wrote in message news:<2178d61f.0304031627.49ee0915@posting.google.com>...- > Hello folks, > L > I don't know if it is the right newsgroup, so i explain what i want to do.K > I would like to write a programm to download http files from www sites in74 > the backgroud, without surfing over a web Browser.9 > as a start point i have the tcpip Programming examples.  > < > Have someone already done this kind of tcpip Programming ?! > I appreciate any help or hints.. >  > Thanks in advance.0 curl has a command-line interface and a vms port/ see http://curl.haxx.se/latest.cgi?curl=vms-zipa Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:28:54 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: tcpip Programming/ Message-ID: <3E8D17EA.61911C85@vl.videotron.ca>p   HARANGOZO CSABA wrote:J >         I think yes. When you view the page you want to save, just pressK >         "p". It will present 4 options, the first one is "Save to a local@B >         file". ( I have done this on Linux + Lynx, quite good. ) >         Hope this helps...   Thanks. seems to work.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 23:12 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)-8 Subject: Re: The Space Invaders minute of the day: /NOOP, Message-ID: <3APR200323122813@gerg.tamu.edu>  9 "Dale A. Marcy" <dqmunicorn@y12unicorn.doe.gov> writes...wJ }Just a wild thought.  Was this program keyed in from listings?  If so, itK }could be possible that the code is allowing implicit variable declarationsgM }and there is a typo in the variable name being passed to the Sleep function.kK }It would implicitly declare the typo-ed variable as either integer or realaJ }and pass a 0 by reference.  I have seen these problems before and that isH }why I always use the IMPLICIT NONE command when I code Fortran modules. }  }--b }Dale A. Marcy  A The program as given does not use any variable names when callingh8 the subroutine - it only uses literal charater constants (e.g. CALL SLEEP('10.00')).p   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:57:57 -0800- From: "JeffK." <uce@ftc.gov>4 Subject: Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map?' Message-ID: <3E8C8435.93D55D6B@ftc.gov>P  ! From the DECterm I telnetted in, 3 csh6 setenv TERM vt1006 setenv DISPLAY yadda.yadda:0.0 /usr/openwin/bin/term &i  D I get the window and am able to some vi work, but the commands don't match exactly.  B One big tip is that someone tells me that the command to quit this editor is wq instead of zz.    Is this a shell thing?   TIA,   JeffK.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:42:09 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.org4 Subject: Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map?) Message-ID: <03040313420933@antinode.org>w   From: "JeffK." <uce@ftc.gov>  # > From the DECterm I telnetted in, 0 > csh0 > setenv TERM vt100m  > setenv DISPLAY yadda.yadda:0.0 > /usr/openwin/bin/term &f  D    I don't see a "/usr/openwin/bin/term" on my Solaris 9 (SunOS 5.9)G system, so I'm assuming that it was actually "/usr/openwin/bin/xterm". nE Apparently, setting TERM is not required, as this "xterm" seems to do  the following on its own:m   ung# env | grep TERM
 TERM=vt100 TERMCAP=co#80:li#24:  F > I get the window and am able to some vi work, but the commands don't > match exactly.  H    Which commands don't match what exactly?  As I said last time, "[...]B a clear description of exactly [...] what's failing [...] might beF helpful."  It _still_ might be helpful, but I've grown tired of tryingA to drag it out of an anonymous questioner who can't seem to ask ao coherent question.  D > One big tip is that someone tells me that the command to quit this > editor is wq instead of zz.t  	    man vit  "      ZZ    exit vi, saving changes<      ZZ    if file modified, write and exit; otherwise, exit  3    "ZZ" differs from "zz".  This is UNIX, remember?i   > Is this a shell thing?  G    It seems to be a more general retardation thing, but that's just one  man's opinion.   > TIA,      Any time.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.orgw    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 01:01:00 GMTc/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> 4 Subject: Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map?* Message-ID: <b6ilgc$5ue$1@news1.radix.net>   sms@antinode.org wrote:a > From: "JeffK." <uce@ftc.gov>  $ >> From the DECterm I telnetted in,  >> csh >> setenv TERM vt100! >> setenv DISPLAY yadda.yadda:0.0i >> /usr/openwin/bin/term &  F >    I don't see a "/usr/openwin/bin/term" on my Solaris 9 (SunOS 5.9)I > system, so I'm assuming that it was actually "/usr/openwin/bin/xterm". sG > Apparently, setting TERM is not required, as this "xterm" seems to doe > the following on its own:t   xterm always sets $TERM.  ' setting $TERMCAP in this case is a bug.e   > ung# env | grep TERM > TERM=vt100 > TERMCAP=co#80:li#24:   -- r= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>h http://dickey.his.como ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:29:43 -0800i From: "JeffK." <uce@ftc.gov>4 Subject: Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map?' Message-ID: <3E8CD1F7.B283BBDD@ftc.gov>c   Thanks for the response.  D I appreciate the help.  It turns out that the problem is of a makingF that not even our system people can figure out just yet -- they say to6 just ftp the file to a dec unit and use a real editor.  G As you are homing in on, part of the problem is contributed by a bad vt1H emulation choice.  The other is that this version of vi is probably someH download that uses some other commands.  I can't even get the ZZ commandH to work while sitting on the machine itself, let alone from another unitG using xterm.  I've always appreciated good configuration management fori just such reasons.  C As for the anonymous stuff, the spam otherwise is enough to choke aaA horse.  Sorry about asking somewhat open questions, but if I knewtE exactly what to ask, I probably would have it solved.  But thanks forE the help just the same!    JeffKn   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:05:02 -0600 (CST)f From: sms@antinode.org4 Subject: Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map?) Message-ID: <03040319050262@antinode.org>O  / From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>0   > xterm always sets $TERM. > ) > setting $TERMCAP in this case is a bug.u >  > > ung# env | grep TERM > > TERM=vt100 > > TERMCAP=co#80:li#24:      From "man xterm":   ENVIRONMENTeA      Xterm  sets   the   environment   variables   ``TERM''   andrA      ``TERMCAP''  properly  for the size window you have created./   ------  - ung# /usr/openwin/bin/xterm -geometry 80x48 &n   ------   ung# env | grep TERM
 TERM=vt100 TERMCAP=co#80:li#48:  H    An xterm is more flexible than a real VT100.  Setting TERMCAP appearsF to me to be a feature, not a bug, as documented.  (Perhaps not, if you5 use EDT exclusively, but let's not start that again.)   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.orgp    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547t   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:23:28 -0600 (CST)r From: sms@antinode.org4 Subject: Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map?) Message-ID: <03040319232795@antinode.org>r   From: "JeffK." <uce@ftc.gov>  I > As you are homing in on, part of the problem is contributed by a bad vt J > emulation choice.  The other is that this version of vi is probably someJ > download that uses some other commands.  I can't even get the ZZ commandJ > to work while sitting on the machine itself, let alone from another unitI > using xterm.  I've always appreciated good configuration management forN > just such reasons.   ung#  which vi /usr/bin/vi   D    /usr/bin/vi seems to work fine with me on /usr/openwin/bin/xterm.  H    Personally, I'd suck down a recent copy of Vim (http://www.vim.org/),B and use -g (or "gvim").  It's loads easier than learning to use vi	 properly.E  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547u   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2003 19:36:08 -0800o1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)d- Subject: Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORGI= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0304031936.27ef15e9@posting.google.com>   $ The VMS SIG is an Encompass program.. Dave Cathy is the Chair and I am the co-chair.  C The VMSSIG List server is an email DISSCUSION group which folks can-C sign up for on the the Encompass web site. It was originally just a+D broadcast email list but people comoplained that they wanted to talk too.  C If folks do not want to be part of this email distribuiton they cany just send me mail.  E In the last 4 months I have sent 14,000 email messages (actual count)wC to a number of distribution lists.  I can not edit each message for-" each individual distribuiton list.  A Additionally if folks want to talk about VMS experiences I am not F going to stop them.  I also think that it is wonderful that folks feel@ that they are getting to much mail around VMS or from VMS users.  
 Warm Regards,0 suee  X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A1DC78.4A823E9A@SendSpamHere.ORG>...I > Is there some reason why only select individuals are permitted to post   > drivel to this list? > = > It's maddening, of late, and getting to be worse than SPAM!r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 05:53:51 +0200n2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)B Subject: Re: Which PAK for DECNET Phase IV under Hobbyist Program?; Message-ID: <3e8d01cf.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>o  ! Hans Vlems (hvlems@iae.nl) wrote: 2 > "Dan Foster" <dsf@globalcrossing.net> schreef...K > > Just curious about something...the Hobbyist program also provides a PAK ) > > called DVNETEXT. What's that one for?, > M > DECnet Extensions. This was a layered product in the (VAX/VMS) 5.4 to 5.5-2RI > days. It allowed you to run ncl on top of a DECnet phase 4 stack. [...].  M IIRC, the DECnet Extensions also included X.25, and some other goodies, which  were integrated into Phase V.y   cu,    Martin -- lJ One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:49:37 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)e/ Subject: Re: who is procedure of backup for vms 0 Message-ID: <B71ja.248$Ob4.154@news.cpqcorp.net>  4 In article <qlHmUwVw8cbb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:o  < >   And I always get a standalone backup after an OS update.  D {Ahem} It may well be much MORE important to get a known good backupF BEFORE an operating system updgrade.  If there is a power, hardware orC software failure during the upgrade, that backup may be the *only* a8 alternative to rebuilding your system disk from scratch.  I You can insure that the backup is "known good" by booting the backup and  G then re-booting standalone and restoring the backup to the system disk.+, (This will also defragment the system disk.)   -- pJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.185 ************************