1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 04 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 186       Contents:' Re: Another day without VMS advertising ' Re: Another day without VMS advertising ' Re: Another day without VMS advertising ' Re: Another day without VMS advertising ' Re: Another day without VMS advertising ' Re: Another day without VMS advertising ' Re: Another day without VMS advertising  Re: charon-vax emulation Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors7 DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug ; Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug ; Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug ; Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug ; Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug ; Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug  Re: Demagnetize Disk Drives  Disappearing CR/LF in editor  Re: Disappearing CR/LF in editor  Re: Disappearing CR/LF in editor  Re: Disappearing CR/LF in editor  Re: Disappearing CR/LF in editor Re: Disk cache with shadow sets  Re: Exporting users?, Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?, Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?, Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?% Re: How does Shadow Copy REALLY work? % Re: How does Shadow Copy REALLY work? / IBM bugs shut down bank!  Proof IBM is garbage! 0 Re: Include an automated date within a printout.> Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust> Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust> Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust Looking for Michael Austin Mail/POP server for VMS  Mail/POP server for VMS  Re: Mail/POP server for VMS  Re: Mail/POP server for VMS  MAILbus 400 MTA  Re: MS-Word from OpenVMS ? New patch utilities  Re: New patch utilities  Re: New patch utilities  Re: New patch utilities ; New Training Class -  OpenVMS  Performance Management Class ' Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!! ' Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!! ' Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!! # Re: OpenVMS Pearl for Wed April 2nd # Re: OpenVMS Pearl for Wed April 2nd  Re: Overuse of LIB$SPAWN?  Re: Overuse of LIB$SPAWN? ( Palmer killed Alpha so AMD could get it! Re: Reading a raw CD) Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE ) Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE ) scsi (kzpcm?) adaper makes V7.3-1  crash.  Re: Second IP address  Re: Second IP address  Re: SMTP authentification  Re: SMTP authentification  Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMSD Re: SYSTARTUP_VMS (was: Three questions re: the VMS startup process) Re: tcpip Programming  Re: tcpip Programming  Re: tcpip Programming + Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map? + Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map? + Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map? $ Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG& Re: who is procedure of backup for vms  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 13:42:18 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertising5 Message-ID: <b6k23q$63tbf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   ' In article <3E8CF609.6F36B30B@fsi.net>, 4 	"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > John Smith wrote: 	 >> [snip] : >> More of the same ads in today's paper. No VMS mentions. >>  	 >> SS-DD.  >> (same sh*t -different day)  > 6 > I thought that was "Single Sided, Double Density"... >   D I noticed an HP ad on the back cover of my latest copy of Dr. Dobbs.G It is pushing Itanium Workstations.  Mentions RedHat Linux, Windows and  Unix, but no VMS.   ? But that brings up the question, has anyone considered writting B technical articles and submitting them to magazines like Dr. DobbsB that are still primarily technical journals rather than extensions# of Bill Gates marketing department?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:43:35 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertisingG Message-ID: <rSgja.10150$az1.2834@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message / news:b6k23q$63tbf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de... ) > In article <3E8CF609.6F36B30B@fsi.net>, 5 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > > John Smith wrote:  > >> [snip] < > >> More of the same ads in today's paper. No VMS mentions. > >> > >> SS-DD.  > >> (same sh*t -different day)  > > 8 > > I thought that was "Single Sided, Double Density"... > >  > F > I noticed an HP ad on the back cover of my latest copy of Dr. Dobbs.E > It is pushing Itanium Workstations.  Mentions RedHat Linux, Windows  and  > Unix, but no VMS.  > A > But that brings up the question, has anyone considered writting D > technical articles and submitting them to magazines like Dr. DobbsD > that are still primarily technical journals rather than extensions% > of Bill Gates marketing department?     C Any number of technical articles about VMS would be considered more A than in keeping with the nature of Dr. Dobbs' technical bent. The E problem is that the editors probably wouldn't consider articles about C VMS alone of wide enough interest to their readers to make it worth 7 their while to publish them - ie. won't sell magazines.   E Maybe Nic Clews could take his upcoming cluster presentation and work C it into an article - that sort of thing might be publishable by Dr. E Dobbs, cynically, primarily because it would mention unix/linux. he'd C have to watch out for the editors hacking away the VMS bits though. > Just make sure that you submit the article with your copyrightC splattered all over it, including the words "All Rights Reserved" - E that covers off all manner of reproduction and editorial control over  content.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 08:47:57 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertising3 Message-ID: <Hc$Vpf01R9rQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <b6k23q$63tbf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > F > I noticed an HP ad on the back cover of my latest copy of Dr. Dobbs.I > It is pushing Itanium Workstations.  Mentions RedHat Linux, Windows and  > Unix, but no VMS.   H    Reasonable, since VMS isn't shipping on them yet.  HP has sounded off)    on VMS I64 in more appropriate places.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 15:35:48 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertising5 Message-ID: <b6k8oj$68tfi$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   G In article <rSgja.10150$az1.2834@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, & 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > 7 > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message 1 > news:b6k23q$63tbf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...  >>G >> I noticed an HP ad on the back cover of my latest copy of Dr. Dobbs. F >> It is pushing Itanium Workstations.  Mentions RedHat Linux, Windows > and  >> Unix, but no VMS. >>B >> But that brings up the question, has anyone considered writtingE >> technical articles and submitting them to magazines like Dr. Dobbs E >> that are still primarily technical journals rather than extensions & >> of Bill Gates marketing department? >  > E > Any number of technical articles about VMS would be considered more C > than in keeping with the nature of Dr. Dobbs' technical bent. The G > problem is that the editors probably wouldn't consider articles about E > VMS alone of wide enough interest to their readers to make it worth 9 > their while to publish them - ie. won't sell magazines.   ? I don't know that this is necessarily true.  First, much of the @ stuff covered by Dr. Dobbs is theoretical and thus not what most< would consider mainstream even for techies and much of it is> rather obscure.  There have been articles about OSes with much< less presence than even VMS (yes, there actually are some!!)  > Plus, I suspect that more of Dr. Dobbs is subscriptions rather> than raw "sales".  I can't remember the last time I saw it (or= any other really technical computer magazine for that matter)  on a newstand.  A Another good thing about this would be presence.  Dr. Dobbs sends > us (and I am sure other and bigger Universities) piles of free@ copies to put out for our students to take and read.  I know oneB person (Me!) who reads it every month, cover to cover and a couple1 of the Professors who read it somewhat regularly.    > G > Maybe Nic Clews could take his upcoming cluster presentation and work E > it into an article - that sort of thing might be publishable by Dr. G > Dobbs, cynically, primarily because it would mention unix/linux. he'd E > have to watch out for the editors hacking away the VMS bits though. @ > Just make sure that you submit the article with your copyrightE > splattered all over it, including the words "All Rights Reserved" - G > that covers off all manner of reproduction and editorial control over 
 > content.   D I'll have to watch for it.  With the recent release of their versionD of DLM by IBM maybe a good article on VMS DLM and it's place in true! clusters might not be a bad idea.    bill    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 15:41:40 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertising5 Message-ID: <b6k93k$68tfi$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   3 In article <Hc$Vpf01R9rQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:b > In article <b6k23q$63tbf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>  G >> I noticed an HP ad on the back cover of my latest copy of Dr. Dobbs. J >> It is pushing Itanium Workstations.  Mentions RedHat Linux, Windows and >> Unix, but no VMS. > J >    Reasonable, since VMS isn't shipping on them yet.  HP has sounded off+ >    on VMS I64 in more appropriate places.  >   H Immediate availability has never been a problem in this business before.F In another life the team I was working with once lost a bid to DigitalE when my employer bid a Prime 50 Series and Digital bid a model of the C VAX that wasn't scheduled to exist for at least a year.  We ran the I requested benchmarks.  Digital ran them on a current VAX and then applied H a multiplier they said would be the expected increase in speed when they1 actually had one of those machines.  Digital won.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:52:19 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertisingG Message-ID: <7Lija.37941$pNv.9850@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message / news:b6k93k$68tfi$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de... 5 > In article <Hc$Vpf01R9rQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: 9 > > In article <b6k23q$63tbf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >>B > >> I noticed an HP ad on the back cover of my latest copy of Dr. Dobbs.@ > >> It is pushing Itanium Workstations.  Mentions RedHat Linux, Windows and  > >> Unix, but no VMS. > > @ > >    Reasonable, since VMS isn't shipping on them yet.  HP has sounded off - > >    on VMS I64 in more appropriate places.  > >  > B > Immediate availability has never been a problem in this business before. @ > In another life the team I was working with once lost a bid to Digital C > when my employer bid a Prime 50 Series and Digital bid a model of  the E > VAX that wasn't scheduled to exist for at least a year.  We ran the C > requested benchmarks.  Digital ran them on a current VAX and then  applied E > a multiplier they said would be the expected increase in speed when  they3 > actually had one of those machines.  Digital won.     ? IBM did exactly that for years...announce early and ship later.   E It would paralyze the purchasing decision until the IBM gear actually B shipped..."Let's wait until we see the IBM hardware ship and we'llB benchmark it then...we can wait."  But HP & VMS does not have that8 sort of customer control, which BTW comes from effective6 sales/marketing/advertising for a given product suite.  F *** If VMS isn't on the customer's radar screen, how are they going to know to ask for it?   ? Coming back to some comments I made in an earlier post, HP says B applications sells systems. Cool. But how many stock exchanges areD there in the world that OM Group can sell to? 150 or so, and a bunchA of them are exchanges in name only, and a number of them will not F switch from their existing Tandem/Stratus/Z-series/Sun boxes. Once youD get past the remaining 75-odd customers, you only have 10,000+ banksD around the world that could use VMS but HP does advertise VMS in the@ journal of the American Bankers Association, or in the FinancialE Analysts Journal, or in Disaster Recovery Journal, or indeed anywhere E else? No. Doesn't HP think that having some of these 10,000 customers 4 with deep pockets are worth having as VMS customers?  9 ...the oil industry and seismic work....and big logistics  outfits...and, and, and....   D We all work in different industries...aside from the usual technicalF mags, tell me the last time you saw a VMS ad in a publication targetedE at business users in your industry. Sun advertises in them, Microsoft = advertises in them, IBM advertises in them, and maybe even HP  too...but not VMS.    C And one other thing ....a few years back Tru64 and VMS systems were D priced at parity, ie. same system running VMS or Tru64 were the sameD price. Last I looked about 6 months ago, that's no longer true...VMS is more expensive. Why?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:45:54 -0500A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> 0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertising. Message-ID: <3e8dc4d6$1_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message / news:b6k23q$63tbf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de... ) > In article <3E8CF609.6F36B30B@fsi.net>, 5 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > > John Smith wrote:  > >> [snip] < > >> More of the same ads in today's paper. No VMS mentions. > >> > >> SS-DD.  > >> (same sh*t -different day)  > > 8 > > I thought that was "Single Sided, Double Density"... > >  > F > I noticed an HP ad on the back cover of my latest copy of Dr. Dobbs.I > It is pushing Itanium Workstations.  Mentions RedHat Linux, Windows and  > Unix, but no VMS.  >   < Uh, because we aren't currently shipping VMS on Itanium yet?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 09:27:42 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> ! Subject: Re: charon-vax emulation ' Message-ID: <3E8DB27E.5030604@MMaz.com>    x wrote:  K >Does anyone have experience with charon-vax emulation? We're contemplating G >converting a standalone DSSI based VAX 4700 currently running VMS 6.2.  >  >    > E I've been evaling the product and it runs VMS and all of our layered  C software perfectly.  CD drives, tape, disk, as well as virtualized  H disks, networking all work great.  Standalone booting from tape and CD, F I had just tested this work and were flawless.  So far, there is only A one short-fall and one glitch; The short-fall is that networking  H requires that the NIC be limited to 10Mb and though I would like to see I 100Mb, I can live with this for now.  The problem is related to directly  G connected modems, but SRI is working the issue and moving the modem to  E DECservers is a viable work-around that most folks have already done  " long ago, we we're just lagging...    H Now, for performance. My test machine, which is not a dedicated Windows D 2000 Server (as required), is configured as a dual-P3 @ 933Mhz with E 768MB of Rambus memory.  The system runs at 20 VUP's and handles I/O  B much faster than an equivalent VAX 4000/100.  The faster the base K system, the faster the emulated results and SRI states that this is linear.     G In summary, Charon-VAX is amazingly impressive and if you're 'trapped'  H on a VAX and either need more horsepower, memory, I/O bandwidth or just F want to get onto more modern hardware which is both readily available G AND will eliminate major support costs, you really need to investigate  G this...  There are numerous resellers out there, but Stan Quayle lurks  F on this list and is an authorized reseller...  Am I sold?  Yes, we're  buying it...   Regards,   Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 10:10:15 -0000 = From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 5 Message-ID: <20030404101015.4283.qmail@gacracker.org>   8 On 3 Apr 2003, qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) wrote:F >I have just noticed that there just seems to be 8 or 9 people posting0 >into the OpenVMS news group -- is that it ?????  J If you accessed the group via a newsreader instead of Google you'd be ableG to come up with accurate figures. I count in excess of fifty posters on J comp.os.vms in my ISP's spool. Oh, and I stopped counting somewhere in the names starting with "B".  G Then there's the largely passive audience on the Info-VAX mailing list.   F >Personally, I think you should direct your energies at HP and not me,  * As far as promoting the product goes, yes.  ( >I think I over estimated this audience.  I Quite the opposite. People here care about VMS, they want to use VMS, and I preferably work on VMS. Those that do work on VMS are certainly not going E to go to their boss and say, "Hey, there's this guy from Sector 7 can K migrate us off VMS". Particularly not when you imply that we are stupid for  wanting to use VMS.   F I can certainly understand why you got banned from the FreeVMS mailingG list. I believe in free speech, but you're not afforded that right on a F private mailing list. Now, why don't you try selling a Linux newsgroup services to migrate to Sun?      Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net K                                                    http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 04:21:07 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: COV Sponsors / Message-ID: <3E8D403C.42CF8F63@vl.videotron.ca>    "Main, Kerry" wrote:I > Just curious, but what will your message be to those AIX Customers that  > you just ported?  G What is involved in porting from AIX to Linux if all the middleware and F commercial packages exist on both ? Woudln't a port be fairly simple ?  J If IBM integrates the AIX goodies into Linux, then AIX custoemr won't lose' much by migrating to Linux, will they ?    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 08:27:28 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 3 Message-ID: <Je6NCygDOU2i@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <71367ac8.0304031321.e8ae70@posting.google.com>, qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) writes:G > I have just noticed that there just seems to be 8 or 9 people posting 1 > into the OpenVMS news group -- is that it ?????  >   C    When you have a systems as stable, as easy to use, and as secure D    as VMS, there can be little to say for distinct streches of time.        ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 08:31:08 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 3 Message-ID: <yxPAO8oS8uZI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3E8D403C.42CF8F63@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > I > What is involved in porting from AIX to Linux if all the middleware and H > commercial packages exist on both ? Woudln't a port be fairly simple ?  @    UNIX hype of that type rarely plays out in a real world port.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:34:31 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors G Message-ID: <XJgja.10078$az1.8319@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3E8D0F3F.9C875D98@vl.videotron.ca...  > John Smith wrote: / > > Pauline Nist manages to get NSK advertised. = > > What's wrong with Gorham and Marcello? Why can't they get  advertising E > > money from the Board of Directors for OpenVMS? Do you think maybe 3 > > because the Board thinks it's a waste of money?  >  > D > My gut tells me that somewhere inside of VMS, there are enough key
 people whoD > are convinced wide advertising is a waste of money and they do not
 understandB > that such advertising is REQUIRED to stop the bleeding and set a base to 
 > rebuild on.  >  > Image is everything.    C Gorham/Marcello as supposed to be 'executives', dealing with issues B that expand the use of their product line and thereby make it moreC profitable for *shareholders*. If they aren't doing that, then they # are not doing their jobs correctly.   D They aren't paid to make decisions about the next f$xxxxx routine orC patches...they are there to make the division grow. That means more F and more sales to more and more customers, and to implement strategies that result in that.  D It would seem that VMS is treading water at best, and probably worseB than that. One has to wonder why and who the roadblock(s) are - ifD it's Gorham/Marcello/Blackmore/Stallard, the Board should fire thoseE people - if it's carly or the Board then the shareholders should fire = them. The problem is that if it's carly and/or the Board, the / shareholders will never know unless people like B Gorham/Marcello/Blackmore/Stallard speak out, and I don't see that
 happening.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:29:56 -0500A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors . Message-ID: <3e8dc115$1_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  : "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@mansply.com> wrote in message9 news:MDEGJFAOHGLNLHONIEBMMELDCFAA.hvanderw@mansply.com...    >  > Hank Vander Wall > Mansco > Hudsonville MI >    Where is Hudsonville?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:40:37 -0500A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors . Message-ID: <3e8dc396$1_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message6 news:cf15391e.0304031655.a92d7ef@posting.google.com...5 > qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) wrote in message 9 news:<71367ac8.0304021011.69264b58@posting.google.com>... F > > If we are going to discuss a truly unique offering in the industry% > > then we should be talking TANDEM.  > > A > > FAULT TOLERANT.  Not just 5x9 highly available, but NON STOP.  > G > Yes, let's discuss truly-unique offerings in the industry.  I'll take G > a DISASTER tolerant VMS cluster over a FAULT tolerant system any day. E > And lots of other folks are thinking that way as well, particularly ? > after 9/11.  (And that may be why the NonStop folks have been E > announcing a set of products recently to provide disaster tolerance  > for NonStop systems.)  > D > VMS had fault tolerance back in the VAXft days.  Once VMS is fully> > ported to Itanium, what's to prevent VMS from running on theF > fault-tolerant Itanium hardware that the NonStop folks are building?. > Remember that Tandem is now part of HP, too.   A wide and vast gulf.   L My simple and shallow view of NSK is that it is the ulitmate message passingL environment.  No SMP, just a collection of cpu nodes all working together onK a problem (and database applications would seem well suited to the scheme). H The lock-stepped CPUs prevent incorrect data from propagating out of theK 2CPU node, and in the unlikely event that it happens that CPU hardware does K fail in a way to produce incorrect results (and note this is just due to HW I problems), the other CPU node pairs isolate the failed node and take over 
 it's work.  C I welcome others with deeper understandings to correct and clarify.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:42:24 -0500A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors , Message-ID: <3e8dc401_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  K Frankly, there isn't anything to argue about.  If you need what NSK offers, I it is the only real source.  But it doesn't solve all problems, just like * OpenVMS isn't the solution for everything.      / "Lee" <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote in message ) news:3E8CE20B.7C0FA7F6@telusplanet.net... > > From Jon's testimonials and anecdotes, it's obvious he knows+ > how to migrate customers off VMS systems. = > Can he give us an idea of how his customers he migrated off  > VMS are doing?+ > Do his customers require 24x7x365 uptime? 1 > What is his experience in managing VMSclusters?  > 9 > Don't get caught up in his plan to get the NSK and OVMS   > sides arguing with each other. >  >  >  > Keith Parris wrote:  > 7 > > qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) wrote in message 9 news:<71367ac8.0304021011.69264b58@posting.google.com>... H > > > If we are going to discuss a truly unique offering in the industry' > > > then we should be talking TANDEM.  > > > C > > > FAULT TOLERANT.  Not just 5x9 highly available, but NON STOP.  > > I > > Yes, let's discuss truly-unique offerings in the industry.  I'll take I > > a DISASTER tolerant VMS cluster over a FAULT tolerant system any day. G > > And lots of other folks are thinking that way as well, particularly A > > after 9/11.  (And that may be why the NonStop folks have been G > > announcing a set of products recently to provide disaster tolerance  > > for NonStop systems.)  > > F > > VMS had fault tolerance back in the VAXft days.  Once VMS is fully@ > > ported to Itanium, what's to prevent VMS from running on theH > > fault-tolerant Itanium hardware that the NonStop folks are building?0 > > Remember that Tandem is now part of HP, too. >  > -- > Lee  >  > lytmah@telusplanet.net >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:20:28 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: COV Sponsors / Message-ID: <3E8DBED9.92066063@vl.videotron.ca>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > M > Frankly, there isn't anything to argue about.  If you need what NSK offers, K > it is the only real source.  But it doesn't solve all problems, just like , > OpenVMS isn't the solution for everything.  L NSK is still alive not because it is fault tolerant, but because it has some6 key 3rd party applications that are mission critical.   K For instance, a ATM network in a country standardizing on a single piece of N software that runs only on Tandem means that all banks will have a tandem. AndK all banks will upgrade their software at the same time on a saturday night. N And the network provider will cooordonate the software changes with the vendor/ etc etc. It makes for a tightly knit community.   K The problem with VMS is that it is a general purpose system that is good at L everything, but excellent/outstanding at nothing (in terms of applications).  H SWIFT used to have VMS as a key platform, alas, their ST400 software wasN poorly designed and didn't make intelligent use of clustering. It was possibleN to run it on one node of a cluster while the backhup node twiddled its thumbs.J So when they abandonned VMS as a platform, they really didn't lose much in terms of the application.   B But take a credit card authorisation software on a Tandem designedN specifically to run on Tandem and make use of all the proprietary features forI fault tolerance, backup process in synch with master process etc, it then 0 becomes much harder to port to another platform.  J However, lets not remember that Tandem wasn't doing exactly very well when4 Compaq bought it. It was still fairly small company.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 18:26:47 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 5 Message-ID: <b6kip6$62907$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   , In article <3e8dc401_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>,D 	"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes:M > Frankly, there isn't anything to argue about.  If you need what NSK offers, K > it is the only real source.  But it doesn't solve all problems, just like , > OpenVMS isn't the solution for everything.   F Heretic! Heretic!  Somebody get the fire going aroudn the stake!!  :-)  H (Of course, it's now time for Bob to jump in and assure us that VMS is.)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:30:49 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 2 Message-ID: <nAOdnVGAn9nHUhCjXTWc3Q@metrocast.net>  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:yxPAO8oS8uZI@eisner.encompasserve.org... : > In article <3E8D403C.42CF8F63@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei) <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  > > K > > What is involved in porting from AIX to Linux if all the middleware and J > > commercial packages exist on both ? Woudln't a port be fairly simple ? > B >    UNIX hype of that type rarely plays out in a real world port.  K That's because it involves porting from one vendor's Unix to another's.  In C the case above, IBM controls both the source and to some degree the I destination (in terms of freedom to enhance it as required), and is in an I excellent position to ensure the transparency of the port if it wants to.   K IBM and Sun seem to be following similar strategies in this area:  position C Linux as their inexpensive low-end offering, with compatible growth I potential to their higher-margin proprietary upper-end products, plus the H patina of 'standardness' courtesy of the Linux aspect.  If Linux becomesH wildly popular, they're ready; until then, they retain their high-marginJ business plus a compatible low-end extension that (because right now LinuxL *isn't* really yet applicable to the high end) doesn't compete directly with it.    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 18:31:32 GMT , From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 5 Message-ID: <b6kj24$62907$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   . In article <3e8dc115$1_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>,D 	"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes: > < > "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@mansply.com> wrote in message; > news:MDEGJFAOHGLNLHONIEBMMELDCFAA.hvanderw@mansply.com...  >  >> >> Hank Vander Wall 	 >> Mansco  >> Hudsonville MI  >> >  > Where is Hudsonville?  >    + Just outside Grand Rapids to the Southwest.    bill    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:32:23 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com@ Subject: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug? Message-ID: <OFFD9BC8BE.7402D2AD-ON85256CFE.004E52EF@metso.com>   8 DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug.  * I'm just not sure exactly what the bug is.  6 This shows that DCL cannot tell the difference between= a string of digits and an integer, as documented in F$TYPE().u  = Changing a string of digits into an integer give the expected : integer result, but you can also change an integer into an3 integer and get the original result back unchanged.t; Yet if you display a string that is digits with the F$FAO() = directive "!UL" the result is the binary value of this string = converted to decimal, as the example here shows (I'm sorry if $ it wraps - that's an email problem).  < [I found this in autogen.com (reported) where it reported my8 pagefile size should be 2147139620 instead of 10000001.]  ; Notice also that both string and integer comparisons resultu- in sting and/or integer values testing equal.   : I'm not sure what I expected, but this seems inconsistent.8 The test for string really should detect a string, and a> string really should not be both .eq. and .eqs. to an integer.  = As an aside, the only way I've found, so far, to identify then> string of digits as a string is to pipe the show symbol output: and test it for the quote-mark character.  That means that7 show symbol knows the truth, even if F$TYPE() does not.t  	 Comments?c  	 Evidence:d   $ @test.comx $str="10000001" !stringo $sho sym str   STR = "10000001"* $intstr=f$int(str)      !integer of string $sho sym intstrs9   INTSTR = 10000001   Hex = 00989681  Octal = 00046113201A $int=10000001   !integer $sho sym int6   INT = 10000001   Hex = 00989681  Octal = 00046113201+ $intint=f$int(int)      !integer of integerp $sho sym intintu9   INTINT = 10000001   Hex = 00989681  Octal = 00046113201 : $if str.eq.intstr then write sys$output "str equal intstr" str equal intstr< $if str.eqs.intstr then write sys$output "str equals intstr" str equals intstrP: $if int.eq.intstr then write sys$output "intstr equal int" intstr equal int< $if int.eqs.intstr then write sys$output "intstr equals int" intstr equals int 4 $if int.eq.str then write sys$output "str equal int"
 str equal inte6 $if int.eqs.str then write sys$output "str equals int" str equals int< $write sys$output f$fao(" Integer int = !UL, F$INT(int) also = !UL",int,intint)3  Integer int = 10000001, F$INT(int) also = 10000001 A $write sys$output f$fao(" F$INT(str) = !UL, but String str = !UL,i
 ",intstr,str)r4  F$INT(str) = 10000001, but String str = 2147139620,
 $set noverifyo HELP  Lexicals  F$TYPE  H        Returns the data type of a symbol. The string INTEGER is returnedB        if the symbol is equated to an integer, or if the symbol isA        equated to a string whose characters form a valid integer.e  B        The string STRING is returned if the symbol is equated to aE        character string whose characters do not form a valid integer.)  C        If the symbol is undefined, a null string ("")  is returned.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:46:22 +0100 (MET)b9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>eD Subject: Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug; Message-ID: <01KUC4BGP3WKAH2P35@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-  : > DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug. > , > I'm just not sure exactly what the bug is. > 8 > This shows that DCL cannot tell the difference between? > a string of digits and an integer, as documented in F$TYPE().>  H I don't think your example shows this, especially since you didn't post  the output of F$TYPE.   G What you are seeing are DOCUMENTED implicit conversions in comparisons.a  1 There are more of these goodies, also documented:i  1 $  write sys$output f$integer("this is a string")  1o  ? > Changing a string of digits into an integer give the expectedn< > integer result, but you can also change an integer into an5 > integer and get the original result back unchanged.y  G What does "unchanged" mean: as seen by F$TYPE or as seen in the result e of a comparison?  = > Yet if you display a string that is digits with the F$FAO()s? > directive "!UL" the result is the binary value of this stringh > converted to decimal,   H I think that this shows that DCL "knows" what is an integer and what is G a string; the conversions in comparisons are just done temporarily, so e	 to speak.   > > [I found this in autogen.com (reported) where it reported my: > pagefile size should be 2147139620 instead of 10000001.]  G If AUTOGEN is telling you something wrong, then it is a bug in AUTOGEN.i> Perhaps the author wasn't sufficiently familiar with DCL.  :-)  F > Notice also that both string and integer comparisons result in sting' > and/or integer values testing equal. e  ) Expected due to the implicit conversions.>  < > I'm not sure what I expected, but this seems inconsistent.: > The test for string really should detect a string, and a  9 The test is F$TYPE; you didn't post any examples of that.(  @ > string really should not be both .eq. and .eqs. to an integer.  3 This is due to the documented explicit conversions.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:50:14 +0100o+ From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> D Subject: Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug8 Message-ID: <g7ar8vo0uetpfc0sie6qvdhno4a007rm0p@4ax.com>  @ On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:32:23 -0500, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  B >$write sys$output f$fao(" F$INT(str) = !UL, but String str = !UL, >",intstr,str)5 > F$INT(str) = 10000001, but String str = 2147139620,o  ; That's the address of str, not its value,  try !AS instead:e   $ str = "10000001"@ $ write sys$output f$fa0("UL for str gives !UL, AS for str gives
 !AS",str,str)f6 UL for str gives 2147139612, AS for str gives 10000001   	Johnh   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:16:24 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comD Subject: Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug? Message-ID: <OFC1FF50B9.6497ADB1-ON85256CFE.005E861E@metso.com>m  K Yes, I know.  the problem is that in autogen.com the variable here shows asS str I is supplied as  a generic variable to a gosub-routine which does not knowp that; it is trying to display a string as an integer using "!UL".   G If you change that to "!AS" and supply the variable when it contains ant
 integer, then-G F$FAO() will probably access-violate.  It certainly will not do what is@ wanted.s  I If the content of the variable is always one thing or the other, there isv
 no problem togC solve; here we could get either and cannot easily test which we are6 getting.   Is that clearer?    C From:  John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> on 04/04/2003 10:50 AMo  7 Please respond to John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk>u   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:   G Subject:    Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bugS    @ On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:32:23 -0500, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  B >$write sys$output f$fao(" F$INT(str) = !UL, but String str = !UL, >",intstr,str)5 > F$INT(str) = 10000001, but String str = 2147139620,:  ; That's the address of str, not its value,  try !AS instead:8   $ str = "10000001"@ $ write sys$output f$fa0("UL for str gives !UL, AS for str gives
 !AS",str,str)o6 UL for str gives 2147139612, AS for str gives 10000001                Johns   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 11:53:15 -0600n From: briggs@encompasserve.orgD Subject: Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug3 Message-ID: <PIvqE9alHWDU@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  f In article <g7ar8vo0uetpfc0sie6qvdhno4a007rm0p@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:B > On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:32:23 -0500, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > C >>$write sys$output f$fao(" F$INT(str) = !UL, but String str = !UL,n >>",intstr,str)t6 >> F$INT(str) = 10000001, but String str = 2147139620, > = > That's the address of str, not its value,  try !AS instead:   E Or the address of a descriptor that is at least temporarily valid and  points to the contents of str.  A I'm not sure there is a clever F$FAO trick that will give you theeA actual string address.  Last time I played with it, I think I ranl@ into the problem that the descriptors were too volatile to be of	 much use.h  3 $ write sys$output f$fao ( "!UL !UL !UL", a, a, a )n  2147139628 2147139636 2147139644   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:08:00 +0100S+ From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk>sD Subject: Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug8 Message-ID: <3shr8von5irclk56mibhk8dhf0l31ccgm1@4ax.com>  @ On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:16:24 -0500, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  L >Yes, I know.  the problem is that in autogen.com the variable here shows as >strJ >is supplied as  a generic variable to a gosub-routine which does not know >thato< >it is trying to display a string as an integer using "!UL". >nH >If you change that to "!AS" and supply the variable when it contains an >integer, thenH >F$FAO() will probably access-violate.  It certainly will not do what is >wanted. >lJ >If the content of the variable is always one thing or the other, there is >no problem toD >solve; here we could get either and cannot easily test which we are	 >getting.  >  >Is that clearer?o  J Sorry if I misunderstood your original post.  You cannot expect F$FAO (andJ the underlying SYS$FAO service) to be smart - if you state "interpret thisH variable as a longword integer" by using !UL, then you have to pass it aK longword integer.  If instead you pass it a string descriptor, then you see  an address in the output.t  J If F$TYPE(str) returns INTEGER, then str2='str' will yield a truly integerI str2 symbol.  Chuck that at F$FAO instead.  I briefly browsed AUTOGEN.COM * and it seems to do this in several places.  F What you are describing seems to be a bug in AUTOGEN, where one of theL subroutines appears to have slipped through the net.  It is not a bug in DCLH nor F$TYPE nor F$FAO.  Unless I still can't see your problem correctly !     	John:   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Apr 2003 01:50:22 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>$ Subject: Re: Demagnetize Disk Drives- Message-ID: <871y0i17a9.fsf@prep.synonet.com>s   brandon@dalsemi.com writes:o  C > > A college professor once explained to me his method of securingfB > > old drives.  One of his early jobs working for an intelligenceD > > agency in Vietnam was to dismantle retired Univac FASTRAND drumsF > > and literally grind off all the oxide from the surface.  Though itD > > surely induces heart attacks for computer museum operators theseF > > days I suspect you could not find a more secure method of ensuringC > > data is not recovered by a third party.  However it does affect . > > resale value of the equipment on ebay.  :)  E > I think you could take the oxide dust, put it in small glass vials,yA > label it as "classified data" and get a great price on e-bay...w > marketing!  @ I was asked by someone if I could `recover' the data from a RM03@ that FS had just finished on. Very nasty head crash, all of them@ had to be replaced. I wandered over to the bin, grabbed the HEPA# filter out and handed it to him  :)t     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:56:50 +0200  From: "Poiter" <johan@noway.not>% Subject: Disappearing CR/LF in editorB; Message-ID: <3e8d8f06$0$29708$4d4ebb8e@read.news.nl.uu.net>k  K We have a strange problem. In a file there are two CR/LF behind each other,oJ and when typing the file we see an empty line, which is good. When loadingH this file in an editor (edt tpu lse), we do not see this empty line, andL when writing this file(without editing it) the empty line is gone. Also whenL we do a differ of this two files, it says there are no differences, but when> typing there is a difference! (the empty line). Is this a bug?   Poiter.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 08:52:32 -0600e; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: Disappearing CR/LF in editor 3 Message-ID: <ACnGMgyg2n8f@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  ^ In article <3e8d8f06$0$29708$4d4ebb8e@read.news.nl.uu.net>, "Poiter" <johan@noway.not> writes:M > We have a strange problem. In a file there are two CR/LF behind each other,aL > and when typing the file we see an empty line, which is good. When loadingJ > this file in an editor (edt tpu lse), we do not see this empty line, andN > when writing this file(without editing it) the empty line is gone. Also whenN > we do a differ of this two files, it says there are no differences, but when@ > typing there is a difference! (the empty line). Is this a bug?  F    What are the file and record attributes?  (dir/full will show them,&    please post EXACTLY what it shows).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:26:58 +0200  From: "Poiter" <johan@noway.not>) Subject: Re: Disappearing CR/LF in editorV; Message-ID: <3e8da426$0$29727$4d4ebb8e@read.news.nl.uu.net>o  5 L7111_11_2B.DAT;3             File ID:  (70246,220,0)m9 Size:          778/805        Owner:    [PROJTEAM,PLATEN]s" Created:    2-APR-2003 00:29:52.27& Revised:    4-APR-2003 08:56:56.04 (2) Expires:   <None specified>b Backup:    <No backup recorded>m Effective: <None specified>w Recording: <None specified>x File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online  Caching attribute:  WritethroughF File attributes:    Allocation: 805, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0$                     No version limitL Record format:      VFC, 2 byte header, maximum 100 bytes, longest 100 bytes/ Record attributes:  Print file carriage controll RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:t Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None    H We also tried a fdl conversion, but that didn't work. Also, when doing aL type /output=newfile , in the newfile the cr/lf is also gone. We also calledE support and they didn't have a solution, but did know of the problem.    Poiter .s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 11:09:28 -0500 $ From: Hein <hein_cov@eps.zk.dec.com>) Subject: Re: Disappearing CR/LF in editora. Message-ID: <3E8DAE38.22B91AC8@eps.zk.dec.com>  
 Poiter wrote:M  N > Record format:      VFC, 2 byte header, maximum 100 bytes, longest 100 bytes1 > Record attributes:  Print file carriage control-  * Check out HELP CONVERT FILE /FIXED_CONTROL  C Read up on file formats in the RMS / files doc, notably:  FAB$V_PRNc  H http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/4523/4523pro_006.html#index_x_314   Hein._   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:55:01 -0400s0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Disappearing CR/LF in editore/ Message-ID: <3E8DB8E4.9FB0E937@vl.videotron.ca>t  
 Poiter wrote:oH > File attributes:    Allocation: 805, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0& >                     No version limitN > Record format:      VFC, 2 byte header, maximum 100 bytes, longest 100 bytes1 > Record attributes:  Print file carriage control   K OK, when TPU saves the file, I suspect it will change the attributes to thet1 "standard" variable format without print control.   J As I recall, the "print file carriage control" dates from the fortran daysK where the first byte of a record has special meaning. Some characters would M skip a line, others skip to a new page, some would not skip a line (overwriteo previous line)  M When you type the "raw" file, RMS automatically executes these characters andr displays properly.G When you edit, you see the raw file without any interpretation of thoseyM control characters (in the IBM days, such control characters were visible, as 2 I recall 1 was for skip to new page for instance).  J And when you save, you'd be creating a text file where the first character8 would be part of the data instead of interpreted by RMS.  L One way around this after editing would be to set the file'sattributes back.   HELP SET FILE/ATTRIB  K I think SET file chocolate.txt /ATTRIB=(rat:prn) might set it back to whereiK the first character is interpreted for printing. However, I am not sure youi could set RFM:VFC to the file.  L Does anyone know if VFC and VAR have the same internal format ? (eg: can youL change from one to another with set file/attrib and still have readable file. with just how it is handled being different ?)   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Apr 2003 01:42:51 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: Disk cache with shadow sets- Message-ID: <8765pu17ms.fsf@prep.synonet.com>V  * Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:  C > e.g. imagine you have a paired controller with mirrored cache and D > shadowed disks across each. As you split the shadowset, the writesA > go to the controller, get mirrored, then flushed at some point, A > meanwhile you could have fast pathed up a read stream against alD > former member of that mirror, but at what point are you seeing theF > reflection? Technically, for volume shadowing, writes do not have toD > occur simultaneously to each member of the mirrorset/shadowset, so) > where does that leave a mirrored cache?d  E Hanging out in the breaze on a thread? Add in uneaven loading on eachrD controller, and you can get into a very critical situation where any' error could silently corrupt your data.-  > The lack of proper sequenced commands is totally unforgivable.   -- S< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Apr 2003 01:32:24 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Exporting users?p- Message-ID: <87adf61847.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t  + "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com> writes:e  E > I'll be totally redoing this OpenVMS machine from 7.2-1 to 7.3.  Ise@ > there any way I can save the users that are registered on this > machine?  Thanks!t   Yes, DON'T!!  > You will find all sorts of stuff, or perhaps I should say your? users won't find all sorts of stuff, and you will spend foreverh+ digging out old forgoten and lost programs.o  ! WHY don't you just do an upgrade?e   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.S@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:29:24 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>.5 Subject: Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop? 2 Message-ID: <BAB2C8B4.6D20%JCam90502@jcameron.com>   On 4/3/03 2:51 PM, in article-5 c67e4bdd.0304031451.2f9893ef@posting.google.com, "jm"0" <john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:  H > using stop process/id=xxxx doesn't work.  The command gives no errors,C > but it doesn't work either.  sh system still shows the process in ( > RWAST state.  Thanks for any guidance.  e I call this : You R WASTed!   8 Here are some articles. The second is particularly good.  $ http://www.jcameron.com/vms/em14.htm  + http://www.pottsoft.com/home/vms/rwast.html   G How do I stop a process that won't stop? Ultimate the answer is Reboot!e   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 08:44:45 -0600-; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n5 Subject: Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?:3 Message-ID: <v66XTLu10UhE@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  d In article <c67e4bdd.0304031451.2f9893ef@posting.google.com>, john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm) writes:H > using stop process/id=xxxx doesn't work.  The command gives no errors,C > but it doesn't work either.  sh system still shows the process in ( > RWAST state.  Thanks for any guidance.  H    Mostly because it's already stopped for something else (to use a very!    lose definition of "stopped").   G    You really need to get into the FAQ.   http://www.openvms.compaq.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 09:29:52 -0700s+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>a5 Subject: Re: How do I stop a process that won't stop?r' Message-ID: <3E8DB300.7030905@MMaz.com>o   Stanley F. Quayle wrote:  " >On 3 Apr 2003 at 14:51, jm wrote: >  f >lH >>using stop process/id=xxxx doesn't work.  The command gives no errors,C >>but it doesn't work either.  sh system still shows the process in ( >>RWAST state.  Thanks for any guidance. >>     >> >aB >This is covered in the FAQ, off of http://www.openvms.compaq.com. > E >Basically, the process is waiting for an I/O that never completes.  b> >Unless you can reach into the OS and release the device (not > >recommended), the only way you can eliminate it is to reboot. >o: >Fortunately, RWAST processes use very little resources... >  S >d@ Auh, but as you eluded too, the device that the process owns is H typically inaccessible to others which, if critical, will still require 8 a reboot no matter how little memory is in suspension...   Barrym   --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:45:40 +0100o( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>. Subject: Re: How does Shadow Copy REALLY work?) Message-ID: <3E8D3824.6393D778@127.0.0.1>e   Keith Parris wrote:t > t > Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org (Jack Trachtman) wrote in message news:<69d784c4.0304030817.5cf246c@posting.google.com>...C > > Could someone elucidate on what algorithm "copy" actually uses?t > C > See the Digital Technical Journal article by Scott Davis entitledeC > "Design of VMS Volume Shadowing Phase II-Host-based Shadowing" ateH > http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJ301/DTJ301SC.TXT > ? > This is also covered in Chapter 5 of Roy G. Davis' VAXcluster  > Principles book. > G > You may also find my DECUS session on Volume Shadowing Performance toe` > be helpful, at http://www.geocities.com/keithparris/decus_presentations/f2002_volshad_perf.ppt  D Based on this (and there also some STORAGE articles in DSN/WIS aboutG shadowing) I can report that performing a BACKUP/PHYSICAL to the targetlC device of a shadow copy, prior to the inclusion of that device as a-< shadow member, does significantly reduce the time to "copy".  F (This is where the disk itself was not formerly a member of the shadowG set, or over 50% of the LBNs have changed since it was last a member of  the shadow set).   -- n? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesC nclews at csc dot comm   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 10:45:50 -0800r1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)-. Subject: Re: How does Shadow Copy REALLY work?= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304041045.5ddaa990@posting.google.com>u  Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3E8D3824.6393D778@127.0.0.1>...e> > I can report that performing a BACKUP/PHYSICAL to the targetE > device of a shadow copy, prior to the inclusion of that device as ae> > shadow member, does significantly reduce the time to "copy".  @ If you use this method, be sure to clear the info in the StorageE Control Block (SCB) on the target disk (a $MOUNT/OVERRIDE=SHADOW will A do the trick) before you add the target to the shadowset, or else B Shadowing sees the identical generation number, etc. in the SCB as= duplicated by BACKUP/PHYSICAL and gets fooled into adding theyF shadowset member as a Merge Member instead of a Full-Copy Target as it should.a  B If this happens, and the Merge completes, you're still OK (becauseC when Shadowing finds differences during the merge, it will take thecD data from the Master member and replicate it to the new member), butE if you happened to lose the source member during the merge, ShadowingtB would retain the (not completely up-to-date) new member, and couldB even make it the new Master member, and you'd risk undetected data corruption.    This problem is fixed in 7.3-2.n   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 10:09:15 -0800i( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)8 Subject: IBM bugs shut down bank!  Proof IBM is garbage!< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304041009.e692b8e@posting.google.com>  3 this is on the inquirer if you want to go there ... , I said IBM systems and software are junk and/ this proves it ... and Cerner would want to put 2 hospitals on DB2 garbage systems over VMS? only if they want people to die ...e    1 Big Bank's Big Blue system failed due to DB2 bugso  " Updated Payments, trading affected  * By Mike Magee: Friday 04 April 2003, 11:04  * None of this shit works -- William Shatner8 But, you can make a Starship Enterprise out of a floppy @ A REMARKABLE STATEMENT on operational problems at the big DanishB Danske Bank has unravelled a skein of problems with IBM's flagship relational database, DB2.*  @ In a report released yesterday, the bank claimed that IBM's techE division was replacing a defective unit in an RVA disk system causingf. outage at two of the Bank's operating centres.  > But the replacement, said the bank, has unveiled "never before= identified errors" in DB2 which caused what Danske said was as! "critical operational situation".S  < The bank said that these problems were "significant" for itsA customers, an affected companies including Realkredit Danmark andp Danica Pension.   E After what the bank described as a breakdown, business data stored onsA the RVA disk was inaccessible and securities and currency trading ? couldn't work. After the disk was re-installed, a batch run was(+ started but they weren't running correctly.0  D And, claimed the bank, a software error in DB2 database software hasE existed in similar installs since 1997, without IBM knowing about it.a  B Subsequently, the bank discovered three further errors in DB2, theA second being that recovery process on database tables couldn't bef@ started, while another error caused recovery jobs from being run simultaneously.U  D Another bug stopped recovery jobs from restoring data to the tables.  @ IBM had no patches for the problems at the time, but now has, it appears.  D It says it is discussing the problems with IBM, but reckons that theE problems are not unique to itself. Luckily, Danske Bank had duplicatea8 and back up services, meaning it could recover the data.  C * AND A READER WRITES: The flaw in the IBM software at Danske Bank,aF that lasted almost two weeks, meant that customers in Denmark couldn'tE use their homebank systems for a week, and many customers, home usersyA and business users couldn't pay their bills or trade on the stockaE market. Because it is the biggest bank in Denmark, other banks had tolB cover for it, even the "National Banken" which is the Danish stateC bank (don't know the word in English). Danske Bank has announced ine@ Danish Radio that it will have to spend up to 100 million danishD kroner (approx 13 million Euro) on the system, so there won't be any? problems in the future. It did cause quite a stir in the Danishi financial market.e   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 09:54:57 +0200t' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)n9 Subject: Re: Include an automated date within a printout.e+ Message-ID: <O3wgyraCFjlE@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   b In article <3e8c615c$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:2 >>Could you elaborate on "not _that_ hard" please. > L > Well, I wrote a modified print symbiont (in Fortran, no less), and it onlyN > took a couple of days to get it working, using the VMS documentation.  So, IK > guess it means "if I can do it, and if you can read, you can do it, too."o  O If one doesn't want to write a print symbiont, there is a very general symbiontt(   EXECSYMB  (I think on the freeware CD)N which simply runs a DCL-procedure, which in turn can convert the original fileD to whatever it likes, then puts the result to the destination queue.8 The procedure could simply read the original file, count@ the lines, and insert header/footing and page-breaks as desired.  C I use it to send text- and PDF-files to lpd-Postscript-only queues.o  l --  N Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:25:49 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>mG Subject: Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bustlG Message-ID: <NBgja.10002$az1.7270@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>:  8 "leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message3 news:6C9ja.2249$Q27.213528@twister.austin.rr.com...1$ > John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote: > :4 > : tongue-in-cheek.....B > : carly: "I sleep better at night knowing that the nuclear power plantr@ > : down the road is controlled by HP systems running OpenVMS. I wouldn't3 > : feel this way with ANY other operating system."l > :b >s > Or >kB > Carly: "I can now fly safely is Swiss airspace on my HP-supplied GrummanbC >         Gulfstream IV after convincing Skyguide to have their airw traffic B >         control center application ported to OpenVMS, instead of Windows NT"  >|. > For those who don't know the Skyguide story: >i7 >    http://www.transoft.com/news/skyguide_announce.htmr< >    Skyguide selects Transoft to migrate DG MV applications > D > Too bad SCADA and air traffic control systems aren't OpenVMS niche markets.    > To HP, the OpenVMS niche market is the ever dwindling existing/ customer base. They seem to specialize in that.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 08:40:04 -0600e; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)ZG Subject: Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bustr3 Message-ID: <Cx3RU5DdkrSz@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  o In article <v8otgtbtat4ued@corp.supernews.com>, "Lee Courtney" <lcourtney@-REMOVETHISFILTER-mvista.com> writes: L > I have been lurking in this news group for a couple years and observe thatK > this sounds like the HP3000 and MPE/iX a few years ago. Where is MPE now?r >   I    I forgot to add, VMS is making enough profit to justify the comparably :    small cost of porting it.  MPE was not.  HP isn't dumb.  H    MPE never had the market share VMS had.  VMS may never again have theF    market share it once had, but I don't think MPE ever had the market    share VMS has now.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:30:25 GMTf# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>tG Subject: Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bustiH Message-ID: <Bqija.37622$pNv.20975@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  @ "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in5 message news:Cx3RU5DdkrSz@eisner.encompasserve.org...c@ > In article <v8otgtbtat4ued@corp.supernews.com>, "Lee Courtney"0 <lcourtney@-REMOVETHISFILTER-mvista.com> writes:A > > I have been lurking in this news group for a couple years and  observe thatD > > this sounds like the HP3000 and MPE/iX a few years ago. Where is MPE now? > >$ >D@ >    I forgot to add, VMS is making enough profit to justify the
 comparably< >    small cost of porting it.  MPE was not.  HP isn't dumb.    B The cost of porting is being paid by Intel, so it's not HP's money that's being spent.O  F Why isn't HP using 'their' money to advertise and grow the VMS market?C Is the money not being spent so that carly can show a better bottom 0 line today so her personal bonus will be bigger?  C Bottom line is that for many years VMS has generated profits yet it D has not had advertising/marketing money spent on it in proportion to either sales or profits.  E Doubling the current small rate of VMS/Alphaserver sales would show al; huge impact on cost of production and profits, and could be4 accomplished for a tiny B fraction of the advertising budget spent on increasing HP's Wintel sales by 1%.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:04:14 GMTc" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG# Subject: Looking for Michael Austinu0 Message-ID: <00A1DE22.6457502C@SendSpamHere.ORG>   Michael,  ; If you see this posting, please contact me (private email).e  E ... and now, back to the regularly scheduled unix -vs- vms debates...n   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" y   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:01:52 +0200h2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>  Subject: Mail/POP server for VMS3 Message-ID: <3E8D9050.8B2960D3@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>f   Hi,i  E I want to run some serious applications under VMS to help these boxes  which6C I still have to survive in my growing Tru64/Liniux/W2K environment.cG I am still running MX Server(freeware) and IUPOP3 server on a VAX 4500. H But there are some defiences here. Therefore I am looking for a Mail/Pop serverH with Web-Interface which could run on an Alpha 2100 5/255 under VMS 7.2.  F Because of political reasons I cannot invest very much money in my VMSD environment anymore. Therefore I am looking for a cheap (if not just$ freeware package) for this purposes.  ) Can someone give me some recommendations?w   Thanks   Otto  F,  -------------------------------------------, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |,  -------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:14:06 -0700. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>  Subject: Mail/POP server for VMSF Message-ID: <OFE91BB7A2.A5B7F32B-ON07256CFE.004DEF2B@rsc.raytheon.com>   Otto:u  F Look for (freeware) yahMAIL (yet another HTTP MAIL).  I forgot where IH located mine -- google for it.  I've been using it for a couple of years. without a problem.  I use mine with OSU HTTPD.   dave.s     Dr. Otto Titze wrote ....r   Hi,   E I want to run some serious applications under VMS to help these boxes  whichtC I still have to survive in my growing Tru64/Liniux/W2K environment. G I am still running MX Server(freeware) and IUPOP3 server on a VAX 4500.lH But there are some defiences here. Therefore I am looking for a Mail/Pop serverH with Web-Interface which could run on an Alpha 2100 5/255 under VMS 7.2.  F Because of political reasons I cannot invest very much money in my VMSD environment anymore. Therefore I am looking for a cheap (if not just$ freeware package) for this purposes.  ) Can someone give me some recommendations?f   Thanks   Otto  ,  -------------------------------------------, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |,  -------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:35:17 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)s$ Subject: Re: Mail/POP server for VMS+ Message-ID: <b6kc85$l9k$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>b  w In article <OFE91BB7A2.A5B7F32B-ON07256CFE.004DEF2B@rsc.raytheon.com>, "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes:u >Otto: >'G >Look for (freeware) yahMAIL (yet another HTTP MAIL).  I forgot where ItI >located mine -- google for it.  I've been using it for a couple of yearse/ >without a problem.  I use mine with OSU HTTPD.s >sI Yahmail is written by Mark Daniel the author of the WASD VMS webserver - u8 though it works with practically all the VMS webservers.   It can be found at :-o   http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasdd  # see towards the bottom of the page.i  3 The latest release (just released) is version 1.7.1n  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University c     >dave. >r >t >Dr. Otto Titze wrote .... >g >Hi, >lF >I want to run some serious applications under VMS to help these boxes >whichD >I still have to survive in my growing Tru64/Liniux/W2K environment.H >I am still running MX Server(freeware) and IUPOP3 server on a VAX 4500.I >But there are some defiences here. Therefore I am looking for a Mail/Poph >servernI >with Web-Interface which could run on an Alpha 2100 5/255 under VMS 7.2.o >aG >Because of political reasons I cannot invest very much money in my VMScE >environment anymore. Therefore I am looking for a cheap (if not just0% >freeware package) for this purposes.  >l* >Can someone give me some recommendations? >T >Thankse >p >Ottou >r- > ------------------------------------------- - >| Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |a- >| Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   | - >| titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |t- >| Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |d- > -------------------------------------------s >n >e >y >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:34:54 -0400l0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: Mail/POP server for VMS/ Message-ID: <3E8DB42E.C0F7E904@vl.videotron.ca>    "Dr. Otto Titze" wrote:-I > I am still running MX Server(freeware) and IUPOP3 server on a VAX 4500.dJ > But there are some defiences here. Therefore I am looking for a Mail/Pop  4 What are the defnciencies you are looking to avoid ?   > serverJ > with Web-Interface which could run on an Alpha 2100 5/255 under VMS 7.2.  N There is Yahmail which plugs into the OSU web server. Both are available at no/ cost. That will give you web access to VMSmail.0  K As far as the POP server is concerned, what TCPIP stack do you have on your1N VMS machine ? Most TCPip stacks now come with a POP server. TCPIP Services 5.35 even comes with IMAP (although it is extremely slow).e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:17:43 +02002 From: "Ren Schelbaum" <rene.schelbaum@datakom.at> Subject: MAILbus 400 MTAG Message-ID: <3e8d93e6$0$32056$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>D  
 Hi everybody!E  > Is anybody out there using MAILbus 400 message transfer agent?  D I would like to hear some 'real life' experiences with that product.   regards-   Ren   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Apr 2003 02:08:23 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: MS-Word from OpenVMS ?o- Message-ID: <87wuiayw2w.fsf@prep.synonet.com>l  , "Chris Moore" <moore_mc@hotmail.com> writes:  J > Does anyone know of VMS software that can read and display MS-Word docs?  ,; > We have WP 5.1+ for OpenVMS, which allows (via Pathworks)nE > interchange of WP docs between PCs and the REAL computer (unashamedrF > VMS bigotry), but not Word stuff.  At this point, display-only would > be more than enough.  <C > I went through this search about 2 years ago without success, butu > the PC-types are at me again.e  E I think you need a LART, but failing that, see if you can find a copy0
 of catdoc.   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.0@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 11:43:11 GMT-( From: Mark Hemker <hemker@insightbb.com> Subject: New patch utilities8 Message-ID: <evqq8vkpn55kt533n4ehspobg25iur32tf@4ax.com>  D I added a couple of new utilities for handling patches to my websiteD yesterday.  The first is SHOW_PATCHES.COM which will download a listB of the available patches from HP and compare it to the patches youD have installed on your system.  It will then display the results and; indicate which patches you are missing.  There is more of a>D description in the COM file that explains the different options thatD you can use.  Currently, it has only been tested on Alpha.  There isD code in place to handle VAX and eventually Itanium, but I don't have* either so I can't test that functionality.  E The second is EXTRACT_VMS_PATCHES.COM.  When you run this program, ittA will attempt to extract the PCSI files from all of the downloadedcF patches in the current directory.  It will also create a COM file withC all of the PRODUCT INSTALL commands.  You just need to edit the COMJB file and rearrange it if patches have to be installed in a certainE order.  If you pass in QUIET as P1, it will add the NO_ASK$BACKUP andc NO_ASK$REBOOT logicals also.  < If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know.   Thanks,1 Mark Hemker> hemker@insightbb.com  http://hemker.home.insightbb.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:56:17 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>g  Subject: Re: New patch utilities; Message-ID: <01KUC0OWMI3GAH2P35@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   F From:	IN%"hemker@insightbb.com"  "Mark Hemker"  4-APR-2003 13:44:44.30 To:	IN%"Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" CC:	 Subj:	New patch utilities.  , Return-path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>> Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sysdev.deutsche-boerse.comO  (PMDF V5.2-32 #40435) id <01KUBY744P5CAFZ5N1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>; Fri,t   4 Apr 2003 13:44:43 +0100 (MET): Received: from mailp2.deutsche-boerse.de ([172.20.124.50])4  by sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #40436)D  with ESMTP id <01KUBY73ZIJGAH2YR5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>; Fri,!  04 Apr 2003 13:44:39 +0100 (MET) L Received: from deimos1.deutsche-boerse.de () by mailhub.exchange.de (V1.3.2)1  id h34Bicf19138; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:44:38 +0200tM Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail2.exchange.de (V1.3) id NAA16472; Fri,r%  04 Apr 2003 13:44:37 +0200 (MET DST)tM Received: from unknown(198.151.12.104) by deimos1.deutsche-boerse.de via smap.5  (V5.0)	id xma016433; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:43:53 +0200N+ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 11:43:11 +0000 (GMT)v( From: Mark Hemker <hemker@insightbb.com> Subject: New patch utilities To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com , Reply-to: Mark Hemker <hemker@insightbb.com>8 Message-id: <evqq8vkpn55kt533n4ehspobg25iur32tf@4ax.com> Organization: Insight Broadbande MIME-version: 1.0j Content-type: text/plain0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 11:43:11 GMT$ X-Complaints-To: abuse@insightbb.comI X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1049456591 12.222.20.6 (Fri, 04 Apr 2003 11:43:11 GMT)  X-Gateway-From: mvb.saic.com	 Lines: 24gH X-Authentication-warning: deimos1.deutsche-boerse.de: uucp set sender to)  <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com> using -ff= X-Comment: Message Virus scanned by sysdev.deutsche-boerse.des X-Gateway-source-info: USENETe X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmss8 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American)  D I added a couple of new utilities for handling patches to my websiteD yesterday.  The first is SHOW_PATCHES.COM which will download a listB of the available patches from HP and compare it to the patches youD have installed on your system.  It will then display the results and; indicate which patches you are missing.  There is more of a D description in the COM file that explains the different options thatD you can use.  Currently, it has only been tested on Alpha.  There isD code in place to handle VAX and eventually Itanium, but I don't have* either so I can't test that functionality.  E The second is EXTRACT_VMS_PATCHES.COM.  When you run this program, it A will attempt to extract the PCSI files from all of the downloaded,F patches in the current directory.  It will also create a COM file withC all of the PRODUCT INSTALL commands.  You just need to edit the COM B file and rearrange it if patches have to be installed in a certainE order.  If you pass in QUIET as P1, it will add the NO_ASK$BACKUP andi NO_ASK$REBOOT logicals also.  < If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know.   Thanks,e Mark Hemkero hemker@insightbb.com  http://hemker.home.insightbb.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:00:30 +0100 (MET)s9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  Subject: Re: New patch utilities; Message-ID: <01KUC0P27LIQAH2P35@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s  F > I added a couple of new utilities for handling patches to my website > yesterday.    " Interesting.  I'll check them out.  > > If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know.  H Did you call them .TXT  instead of .COM to appease BROKEN Microsoft web H browsers?  I suggest calling them .COM, make sure your server sends the D correct mime type and encourage people to use a STANDARD-CONFORMING  browser!   Why not put them up on v  0    http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html  I I suggest to use _ instead of $ in logical names, since $ is reserved to   Digital.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 08:54:36 -0600e; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t  Subject: Re: New patch utilities3 Message-ID: <u2AN8fmtU6wy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <01KUC0P27LIQAH2P35@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:r > J > Did you call them .TXT  instead of .COM to appease BROKEN Microsoft web J > browsers?  I suggest calling them .COM, make sure your server sends the F > correct mime type and encourage people to use a STANDARD-CONFORMING 
 > browser!  F    All the versions of Explorer I've had to use DO have the ability toB    download a DCL .COM file without trying to execute it.  But VMS    doesn't really care.T   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 09:00:47 -080061 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) D Subject: New Training Class -  OpenVMS  Performance Management Class= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0304040900.2aedb018@posting.google.com>    Dear Newsgroup,t  B This training will be in Denver, if you need the PDF's just let me know.l  
 Warm Regards,  Sue ; ___________________________________________________________tF This five day class will be held April 28 and costs $3250.  It will beB taught by Wayne Sauer, who is the author of the curriculum and hasD taught Performance Management to the VMS Enginering Group in Nashua,F NH.  He is also a regular speaker at DECUS/CETS (now called HPETS) for; 14 years and is an internationally recognized expert in VMS  performance tuning.,  3 Please contact me if there is any further interest.   >  <<Performance Mgmt.pdf>>  <<VMS Calendar from Internet.pdf>>  Thanks,o   Chuck Amend-# 888-472-7732 ext. 225 (in USA only)r 720-962-9570 (direct)  www.parsec.com mailto:chuck@parsec.como   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:25:45 +0100 (MET)s9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>,0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!!; Message-ID: <01KUBVDJIKOIA9LL1B@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>c  E > Yep.  You might not mistake a vacuum cleaner for a 32 bit computer,RF > but HP OpenVMS systems and the vault system are both heavily related > to computers and software.  E Hhmmm...My VAXstations are about the size of a small vacuum cleaner, pE they have a fan which sucks in air and with time the inside fills up > with dust. :   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:00:31 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!!; Message-ID: <01KUBWKEM7C0AH2P35@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r   > This would be a twofer:1 >  > http://www.alphavax.com/  ; No problem.  It is concerned with vaccines, and Alphavax iss trade-marked, apparently.t  G Again, there can be several products with the same trademarked name as I. long as there is no possibility for confusion.  : > That page comes up a blank for me (javascript disabled).  
 No wonder:   <head> <title>Introduction</title>oH <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">5 <script language="JavaScript" type="text/JavaScript">l <!--% function MM_swapImgRestore() { //v3.0oV   var i,x,a=document.MM_sr; for(i=0;a&&i<a.length&&(x=a[i])&&x.oSrc;i++) x.src=x.oSrc; }h  $ function MM_preloadImages() { //v3.0?   var d=document; if(d.images){ if(!d.MM_p) d.MM_p=new Array(); Q     var i,j=d.MM_p.length,a=MM_preloadImages.arguments; for(i=0; i<a.length; i++)cK     if (a[i].indexOf("#")!=0){ d.MM_p[j]=new Image; d.MM_p[j++].src=a[i];}}  }u  # function MM_findObj(n, d) { //v4.01hQ   var p,i,x;  if(!d) d=document; if((p=n.indexOf("?"))>0&&parent.frames.length) {/D     d=parent.frames[n.substring(p+1)].document; n=n.substring(0,p);}V   if(!(x=d[n])&&d.all) x=d.all[n]; for (i=0;!x&&i<d.forms.length;i++) x=d.forms[i][n];T   for(i=0;!x&&d.layers&&i<d.layers.length;i++) x=MM_findObj(n,d.layers[i].document);=   if(!x && d.getElementById) x=d.getElementById(n); return x;    etc etc.  E If you actually do get to see the page, it looks reasonable at first - glance.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 08:42:55 -0600o; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)60 Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Security - REALLY !!!!!3 Message-ID: <yV9edp9Sny3p@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <01KUBVDJIKOIA9LL1B@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: F >> Yep.  You might not mistake a vacuum cleaner for a 32 bit computer,G >> but HP OpenVMS systems and the vault system are both heavily relatedf >> to computers and software.  > G > Hhmmm...My VAXstations are about the size of a small vacuum cleaner, oG > they have a fan which sucks in air and with time the inside fills up o
 > with dust. r  F   We had an HP/Apollo that sat on a carpeted floor for a couple years.1   I inheritted it and had to install some memory.n  E   But I don't generally intentionally use my home cluster to clean upt   after my woodworking.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:02:58 +0100* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>, Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl for Wed April 2nd5 Message-ID: <b6ji34$5tpia$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>   . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:XK7ja.34178$7Im.16804@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3E8CFB6B.422E6C85@fsi.net...- > > John Smith wrote:A > > > [snip]G > > > But if HP were marketing OpenVMS there would be LOTS of companiesr > that( > > > would be hiring former-VMS talent. > >cE > > BUT - what's in it for HPQ, and how do you convince them of it solE > > strongly that they'll readily let go of past habits / practices / 9 > > prejudices / alliances / etc. and actually advertise?? >hH > At this point, nothing. HP is currently spending probably in excess ofH > $100 million on their world-wide TV and print ad campaign to advertiseE > HP generally, and specific customers using HP hardware and Windows,uF > NSK, HP-UX, and Linux. They have not spent one cent in this campaignD > advertising OpenVMS - the only other operating system of the otherE > three they still *support* (Tru64, MPE, VMS) that they have not yet - > officially EOL'd.  What does that tell you?, >o< > To me it says that the final shoe is about to drop on VMS. >  > K So if it does, we all club together and buy VMS from HP, then revive it and  make our own fortunes.L Or does the audience here not believe in the one true OS enough to put their money where their mouths are ?     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net, http://www.travell.uk.net/       ---3& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003h   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:23:13 GMTy# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>A, Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl for Wed April 2ndF Message-ID: <lzgja.9979$az1.3165@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> wrote in messager/ news:b6ji34$5tpia$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de...o >e0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD > news:XK7ja.34178$7Im.16804@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >e@ > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message% > > news:3E8CFB6B.422E6C85@fsi.net...s > > > John Smith wrote:< > > > > [snip]? > > > > But if HP were marketing OpenVMS there would be LOTS ofw	 companiess > > that* > > > > would be hiring former-VMS talent. > > >eD > > > BUT - what's in it for HPQ, and how do you convince them of it soE > > > strongly that they'll readily let go of past habits / practicesa /a; > > > prejudices / alliances / etc. and actually advertise?i > > @ > > At this point, nothing. HP is currently spending probably in	 excess ofc@ > > $100 million on their world-wide TV and print ad campaign to	 advertise5> > > HP generally, and specific customers using HP hardware and Windows,? > > NSK, HP-UX, and Linux. They have not spent one cent in this0 campaignF > > advertising OpenVMS - the only other operating system of the otherC > > three they still *support* (Tru64, MPE, VMS) that they have not  yetr/ > > officially EOL'd.  What does that tell you?i > >o> > > To me it says that the final shoe is about to drop on VMS. > >  > >aF > So if it does, we all club together and buy VMS from HP, then revive it and > make our own fortunes.D > Or does the audience here not believe in the one true OS enough to	 put theire  > money where their mouths are ?  B On the one hand HP disparages the Enterprise division and shows inD their accounting that it is a money-losing proposition. On the otherB hand if somebody wanted to buy VMS and all the other required bits? (RTR, etc...) then they'd want top dollar. Why? Because it is atE credible competitor if advertised/marketed. They may also be thinkingaA that it would have greater value on the open market as a saleable-< division once the Itanic port is done - having exchanged one proprietary chip for another.-   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 07:19:01 -0600s From: briggs@encompasserve.org" Subject: Re: Overuse of LIB$SPAWN?3 Message-ID: <8ofkDeThU7mj@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  g In article <u7Hia.241$35.1130@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>, Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com> writes:24 > call SYS$CREMBX (assigns a channel to the mailbox)N > call LIB$SPAWN (use CLI$M_NOWAIT flag and point SYS$INPUT to mailbox device)? > /* Send as many DCL commands as you want to the mailbox... */d > write chan "SET NOON"  > write chan "SORT FILE1 FILE2"a > write chan "SORT FILE3 FILE4"J > write chan "SORT FILE5 FILE6"i2 > write chan "EXIT" (DCL sub-process goes bye-bye)> > call SYS$DASSGN (mailbox goes bye, bye if temporary mailbox)  ( The last time I did this, I did it like:    write chan "SORT FILE1 FILE2"  write chan "",  (use the sorted output in FILE2 as desired)  write chan "SORT FILE3 FILE4o  write chan "",  (use the sorted output in FILE4 as desired)  write chan "SORT FILE5 FILE6"  write chan "",  (use the sorted output in FILE6 as desired)  B When the spawned subprocess reads the next input line, that's yourB indication that the preceding sort has finished.  You also want toA use the AST argument and termination status longword to deal withi errors in the subprocess.   ? One nice thing about LIB$SPAWNing one command at a time is thats@ you get synchronization and termination status for free.  If you> play games with LIB$SPAWN and mailboxes, you need to deal more explicitly with those issues.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:40:01 -040050 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: Overuse of LIB$SPAWN?/ Message-ID: <3E8DB561.1ED8E4C2@vl.videotron.ca>o  6 > > call SYS$CREMBX (assigns a channel to the mailbox)P > > call LIB$SPAWN (use CLI$M_NOWAIT flag and point SYS$INPUT to mailbox device)A > > /* Send as many DCL commands as you want to the mailbox... */e > > write chan "SET NOON"i! > > write chan "SORT FILE1 FILE2"S  I One caveat to this: if you need to check the output of the subprocess foryK error messages, then you need to create a second mailbox which will receivenN output messages and have some logic that reads input as it is being fed by theK subprocess (recurring AST). You never know how many lines your command will   send so it can get a bit tricky.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 10:20:21 -0800o( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Palmer killed Alpha so AMD could get it!e= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304041020.62b9bd01@posting.google.com>   4 it all makes sense now!  this is on the inquirer ...  * Microsoft's Dave Cutler enthuses about AMD   On the track of a Tomato  . By INQUIRER staff: Friday 04 April 2003, 09:21  E LEST YOU FORGET that the Microsoft insider Tomato leaked the INQUIRER-@ and c't magazine top information about how senior "distinguishedB engineer" Dave Cutler enthused about AMD's chips a year back, we'd, like to refer you to the following articles.  AMD-Microsoft Hammer memo leaked4 AMD's Heye hunts down Tomato to make his pips squeak" AMD, Microsoft firm up 64-bit deal  D And just in case you had any doubt at all how much Dave Cutler lovesD Dirk Meyer's Alpha Hammer technology, we'd like to refer you to this	 AMD page.B  / and the videotaped Microsoft statement therein.a  A Keep trying if you can't get it the first time. Dave and Dirk, of4D course, worked together at DEC... Bob Palmer was the CEO of DEC. Bob- Palmer is now a director of AMD. Go figure...E   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 09:57:20 +0100 C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)s Subject: Re: Reading a raw CDd+ Message-ID: <3e8d3ae0@news.uni-konstanz.de>   8 In article <3E8D19CE.EB120581@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei) <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:r |>OK, tried something. |> |>Setup: |>J |>CD ROM (RRD42) connected to a SCSI-QBUS adaptor that makes the CD appear |>as ana |>RA81 or RA82.  |>G |>I try to MOUNT/FOREIGN a Audio CD and it fails with controller error." |>G |>I'd like to just "browse" raw data in the audio CD or perhaps a Kodaka
 |>photo CDH |>to see what the home bolocks look like and if there is any interesting |>text |>embedded inside the disk.a |> |>Is there a way to do this ?  |>H |>Would having the CD drive connected on a microvax 3100 which as a real |>SCSIF |>interface allow me greater access to the data stored inside any CD ? |>? |>Does backup/physical require the drive be mountable/foreign ?c |>  F A audio CD consists of several tracks whereas VMS only reads the firstF "track". The may use a audio-payer, that is a part of the freeware-CD.  < Additionally to that has the Audio-CD a different blocksize.F You need a audio grabber. In the cdrtools (=cdrecord) you'll find one,G but there is no vms port. If you want to do this task, you are welcome.t  H A job with much higher prioroty than this: has anybode ported the actual5 mkisofs, that is been distributed by cdrools, too????s   eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 06:46:19 -0600e From: brandon@dalsemi.comd2 Subject: Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE1 Message-ID: <03040406461976@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e  I > Have you considered using the VAX disassembler to try to extract those a
 > modules?  B I would consider anything.  Where would I find a VAX disassembler?   John Brandon VMS Systems Administratort Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkt 972.371.4003 fxn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:35:55 -0400.0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE/ Message-ID: <3E8DB46B.4B8F690C@vl.videotron.ca>r   brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:D > I would consider anything.  Where would I find a VAX disassembler?  M If you can't find it in the freeware archives or Hunter Goatley's archives ate process.com, let me know.r   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 08:24:57 -0800g From: user@lngs.infn.itp2 Subject: scsi (kzpcm?) adaper makes V7.3-1  crash.< Message-ID: <1729f461.0304040824.2897a2b@posting.google.com>   hello, oE  I have an AlphaStation 600 with a combo  pci-scsi/ethernet adapter, d  it may be a kzpcm-something. + This happens trying to boot OpenVMS V7.3-1:o     6 OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1   E   -- System Dump Analysis    4-APR-2003 17:38:00.29                   
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 Page     2 System crash information      . Time of system crash:  4-APR-2003 17:38:00.29     F Version of system: OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1  % System Version Major ID/Minor ID: 3/0r    9 VMScluster node: AXPGS4, a Digital AlphaStation 600 5/3337  # Crash CPU ID/Primary CPU ID:  00/00:  4 Bitmask of CPUs active/available:  00000001/00000001     CPU bugcheck codes:.1 	CPU 00 -- INCONSTATE, Inconsistent I/O data baseo  6 OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1   E   -- System Dump Analysis    4-APR-2003 17:38:00.29                   
 Page     3" CPU 00 Processor crash information          B CPU 00 reason for Bugcheck: INCONSTATE, Inconsistent I/O data base    / Process currently executing on this CPU:   Nonei     Current IPL: 8  (decimal)i     CPU database address:  8142E000     ( CPUs Capabilities:    PRIMARY,QUORUM,RUN   General registers:  : R0   = FFFFFFFF.8142A000  R1   = FFFFFFFF.8120F810  R2   = FFFFFFFF.8120F948h: R3   = FFFFFFFF.81592600  R4   = FFFFFFFF.81592F08  R5   = FFFFFFFF.81509040k: R6   = FFFFFFFF.8157E080  R7   = FFFFFFFF.81592978  R8   = 00000000.00000001o: R9   = 00000000.00007000  R10  = 00000000.0000019D  R11  = 00000000.2C00FFFCa: R12  = FFFFFFFF.81009590  R13  = FFFFFFFF.8104AB58  R14  = 00000000.00000000t: R15  = 00000000.000204D8  R16  = 00000000.0000019D  R17  = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFFF9 : R18  = 00000000.00000000  R19  = 00000000.0000FF35  R20  = 00000000.00000000r: R21  = 00000000.00000000  R22  = 00000000.00000300  R23  = FFFFFFFF.8120F810p: R24  = FFFFFFFF.8142A000  AI   = 00000000.00000002  RA   = FFFFFFFF.81008AC8<: PV   = FFFFFFFF.8142A001  R28  = FFFFFFFF.8056CF18  FP   = FFFFFFFF.82ABBE40-2 PC   = FFFFFFFF.8056CF20  PS   = 00000000.00000804         Processor Internal Registers:v    C ASN  = 00000000.00000000                     ASTSR/ASTEN =         s 00000000: IPL  =          00000008  PCBB = 00000000.0102E080  PRBR = FFFFFFFF.8142E000l: PTBR = 00000000.0000009E  SCBB = 00000000.0000019D  SISR = 00000000.00000110h: VPTB = FFFFFEFC.00000000  FPCR = 00000000.00000000  MCES = 00000000.00000000o     	KSP    = FFFFFFFF.82ABBE40e 	ESP    = FFFFFFFF.82ABD000S 	SSP    = FFFFFFFF.82AB7000- 	USP    = FFFFFFFF.82AB70000  6 OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1   E   -- System Dump Analysis    4-APR-2003 17:38:00.29                  e
 Page     4" CPU 00 Processor crash information        6                 No spinlocks currently owned by CPU 00  6 OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1   E   -- System Dump Analysis    4-APR-2003 17:38:00.29                  u
 Page     5 Process Stacks (on CPU 00)      ! Current Operating Stack (SYSTEM): ?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE20    FFFFFFFF.8157E080   ?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE28    FFFFFFFF.81592978  a>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE30    FFFFFFFF.8056CF20  SYS$PKQDRIVER+0CF20i>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE38    00000000.00000804  UCB$M_VALID+00004t>                 SP =>  FFFFFFFF.82ABBE40    FFFFFFFF.8120F948  SYS$PKQDRIVER+21F48s?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE48    00000000.00000002  n>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE50    FFFFFFFF.8100A810  SMP$GQ_DEBUG?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE58    00000000.8157E080   >                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE60    FFFFFFFF.8005ADB4  EXE_STD$IOFORK_CPU_C+003D4>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE68    FFFFFFFF.8005ACD0  EXE_STD$IOFORK_CPU_C+002F0?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE70    FFFFFFFF.8158FE80  p?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE78    FFFFFFFF.81592600  d?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE80    FFFFFFFF.81592F08  i>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE88    FFFFFFFF.8142E038  CPUDB+000380?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE90    00000000.00000008  j?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBE98    00000000.00000000  S?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBEA0    00000000.00000000  o?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBEA8    00000000.00000002  s>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBEB0    FFFFFFFF.8100A810  SMP$GQ_DEBUG?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBEB8    00000000.00000000  l>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBEC0    FFFFFFFF.8104AB58  EXE_STD$PRIMITIVE_FORK+00020?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBEC8    00000000.00000000  .>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBED0    00000000.000204D8  SYS$K_VERSION_08+004C8?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBED8    FFFFFFFF.82ABBFD0  n>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBEE0    FFFFFFFF.80102300  IO_ROUTINES+0C3006?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBEE8    00000000.00000019  )?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBEF0    00000000.00000000  h>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBEF8    00000000.7FFCF800 
 MMG$IMGHDRBUFu?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF00    FFFFFFFF.81589F40  c>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF08    FFFFFFFF.810D41A0  SCH$CALC_CPU_LOAD+000C0 ?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF10    00000000.00000003  o?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF18    00000000.00000019  t?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF20    00000000.00000001  T?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF28    00000000.00000001  D?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF30    00000000.00000000  :?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF38    FFFFFFFF.8220E080  -?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF40    FFFFFFFF.FFDFAC78  ,?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF48    00000000.0DE83D35  h?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF50    00000000.0DE83D34  A?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF58    00000000.00000000  k>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF60    FFFFFFFF.81008000  EXE$GR_SYSTEM_DATA_CELLS?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF68    00000000.00000000  b>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF70    FFFFFFFF.81008000  EXE$GR_SYSTEM_DATA_CELLS?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF78    FFFFFFFF.82ABBFD0   >                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF80    FFFFFFFF.810DA5D8  SCH$CLASS_QEND+002F8>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF88    FFFFFFFF.810D8380  SCH$WAIT_ANY_MODEo?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF90    FFFFFFFF.81589F40   ?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBF98    00000000.00000001  MD                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBFA0    FFFFFFFF.8142E000  CPUDB?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBFA8    00000000.00000000  a>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBFB0    FFFFFFFF.801394D8  SCH$CALC_CPU_LOAD_C+00438t>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBFB8    10000000.00000303  UCB$L_RSPFKBLK+00003>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBFC0    FFFFFFFF.810DA640  SCH$CLASS_QEND+00360  6 OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1   E   -- System Dump Analysis    4-APR-2003 17:38:00.29                  -
 Page     6 Process Stacks (on CPU 00)      >                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBFC8    FFFFFFFF.8015EEF4  PROCESS_MANAGEMENT+2AEF4>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBFD0    FFFFFFFF.810D41A0  SCH$CALC_CPU_LOAD+000C0<?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBFD8    00000000.00000000   >                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBFE0    FFFFFFFF.8015EECC  PROCESS_MANAGEMENT+2AECC>                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBFE8    FFFFFFFF.810D8FF0  SCH$CLREF+001E8n?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBFF0    00000000.00000000   ?                        FFFFFFFF.82ABBFF8    00000000.00000000  r   Many thanks for help, byeu>                                                      Nazzareno TaborgnaO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:28:11 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: Second IP address5 Message-ID: <b6kis5$6dsg6$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   ? "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> schreef in berichti) news:3E8B495B.8618EF10@vl.videotron.ca...T > Hans Vlems wrote:oL > > $ tcpip set inter wea0/host=10.0.0.19/net=255.255.255.0/broad=10.0.0.255 > J > > Is there a way to have the second IP address added at boot time (other than5 > > putting the TCPIP command in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM) ?0 >2 >uK >  $ tcpip set inter wea0/host=10.0.0.19/net=255.255.255.0/broad=10.0.0.255o /PERMm >M1 > some of the TCPIP command need SET CONF commandr- > other TCPIP commands need SET command /PERMt > I > HELP SET CONF and HELP command will usually reveal which one is needed.p  4 The /perm qualifier is not accepted by TCPIP 5.1 ...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:32:55 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: Second IP address5 Message-ID: <b6kj50$6bhq6$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   ? "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> schreef in bericht-) news:3E8B495B.8618EF10@vl.videotron.ca...0 > Hans Vlems wrote:0L > > $ tcpip set inter wea0/host=10.0.0.19/net=255.255.255.0/broad=10.0.0.255 >vJ > > Is there a way to have the second IP address added at boot time (other than5 > > putting the TCPIP command in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM) ?P >  >vK >  $ tcpip set inter wea0/host=10.0.0.19/net=255.255.255.0/broad=10.0.0.255n /PERM  >l1 > some of the TCPIP command need SET CONF commando- > other TCPIP commands need SET command /PERMh >uI > HELP SET CONF and HELP command will usually reveal which one is needed.s  H But the SET CONF command did work OK. I downloaded and printed the TCPIPJ manuals. The TCPIP stack is not really intuitive for somebody more used to DECnet (even ncl!)  
 Thanks JF,   Hans   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:17:59 +0100 (MET)t9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-" Subject: Re: SMTP authentification; Message-ID: <01KUBUZXGFOYA9LL1B@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  B > You'll need the static IP address if you run a SMTP server to beG > reachable by the outside world. There are technical reasons for that:tG > your e-mail domain has to be registered in some DNS specifying the IPsH > address of your SMTP server. Once you change this IP address all otherI > DNSs that cache your domain need to be updated as well. This takes someR; > time in the range of hours, not in the range of seconds. p  B At one time, yes, but not anymore.  Folks like Dyndns.org make DNS9 updates possible in seconds, and a TTL of about a minute. E Dynaccess.de---which has solved my problem since I can use their SMTP5F relay---offer updates every few seconds and TTL as short as 5 seconds, so caching is not a problem. t  J > > As far as I can tell, there are only POLITICAL reasons why running an J > > SMTP server on a dynamic IP is a bad idea---because some mail servers ) > > reject mail from "dial-up" addresses.p >  > See above.  C It appears that with a dynamic DNS provider, the only problems are cF political.  There DOES seem to be a real problem in that "dial-up" IP I addresses are blocked by some mailservers, hence Dynaccess.de's offer of  = a mail gateway (with a fixed IP address) for their customers.   G > You'll have technical problems running your own SMTP server without aaE > static IP address unless you use an additional service like the oneaB > provided by dynaccess.de . That's why they provide the service.   I Right.  I would still have the political problem, but fortunately I know pF since last night that I can use the SMTP relay at dynaccess.de.  This H authenticates on the basis of IP address, i.e. if you're a customer you E can use their relay.  This is the type of authentification I've been f0 used to in the past at various universities etc.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:21:44 +0100 (MET)a9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o" Subject: Re: SMTP authentification; Message-ID: <01KUBV7E273YA9LL1B@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>l  I > I just went through a similar exercise, moving from one DSL to another.nJ > After lots of trepidations, everything seems to be working fine now. TheF > only distinction I can see is I requested a static IP (over here you@ > have a choice of dynamic or static for about the same price).   % Out of curiosity, what is that price?o   > 1. Setup my LAN IPs - result:   - > 2. Establish the BIND Name routes - result:u  ( > 3. Setup the default gateway - result:  1 > 4. Setup a substitute domain and zone - result:e  ! > Alternate gateway:  not definedl! > General gateway:    not definedK > ) > Substitute domain:  HIDDEN, ALPHASE.COMn! > Zone:               ALPHASE.COMo > ---------1 > G > Now all mail is routed through the default gateway. I did not have to-G > configure any special mail gateways. I know you were asking how to dorI > this using *dynamic* IPs, but I thought this might help you, or others,N( > who may give up on the dynamic method.  E This will work as long as you're IP address is not rejected for some  I reason.  As others have mentioned, "dial-up" or "dynamic" address ranges 	4 are often blocked wholesale by various mail routers.  ) All in all, a good summary of what to do!S   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:09:44 -0500+ From: "Martin O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>i' Subject: Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMSe5 Message-ID: <b6k06r$6267b$1@ID-118202.news.dfncis.de>   ^ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:3E8CFD85.DDE4E958@fsi.net... :cG : We're putting up twin STK L700E libraries via a FCSF SAN. STK insistsdI : that the tape drives can be connected to SAN via their SCSI/FC switches1 : without using an HSG.4 :   d I don't know if this fits your situation but we installed a DLT892 and a SDLT MSL5052 tape libraries` on Brocade switch on our SAN by connecting them to a Network Storage Router M2402. The NSR has 3a modules, one for FC, one for HVD SCSI and one for LVD SCSI. Even the performance on the TZ89s was / greatly improved over the CI/HSJ50 connections.    I hope this helps. Marty O'Connor   ------------------------------   Date: 4 APR 2003 15:49:46 GMTe4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)M Subject: Re: SYSTARTUP_VMS (was: Three questions re: the VMS startup process)n5 Message-ID: <4APR03.15494638@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>o  I In a previous article, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:F ->brandon@dalsemi.com wrote: ->> D ->> > Even with LAT? It used to refuse to CONnect with logins=0, and7 ->> > as there was no connect, privs did not matter. :(e ->> Q ->> Do not know, never had the opportunity to connect using LAT during a startup.s ->> Always a VT or DECnet. ->  I ->I had that opportunity. LAT connect uses the JBC to create the process,AJ ->and JBC won't create an interactive process until SET LOGINS/INTER=x hasJ ->been executed at least once during the system startup, regardless of the ->value of "x".p  G Me too. That would explain the following almost forgotten comment earlysD in my systartup_vms.com's that's been there since version 5 or so. IG wondered if this was still necessary just the other day. I have no ideaa* if the referenced symbols are still valid:  D $! Immediately issue a SET LOGINS command to clear a flag in the job@ $! controller mailbox UCB to allow logins. While this is done byE $! VMS$LPBEGIN-050_STARTUP.COM after this file returns, we do it hereOF $! to insure logins are possible if the startup process should exit or! $! this file not return properly.c $ L $ Set Logins/Interactive=0  ! Clear UCB$V_TT_NOLOGINS in @SYS$AR_JOBCTLMB+7D   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonf7 --                karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu  u   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:10:26 +0100 (MET)a9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: tcpip Programming; Message-ID: <01KUBUVKD782A9LL1B@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > I don't know if it is the right newsgroup, so i explain what i want toF > do. I would like to write a programm to download http files from wwwH > sites in the backgroud, without surfing over a web Browser. as a start/ > point i have the tcpip Programming examples. e > I > Have someone already done this kind of tcpip Programming ? I appreciatek > any help or hints. h  > Depending on what you want to do, LYNX might do what you want.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:23:01 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)  Subject: Re: tcpip Programming+ Message-ID: <b6jme5$iqc$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>N  ` In article <2178d61f.0304031627.49ee0915@posting.google.com>, nmanser@progis.de (Manser) writes:
 >Hello folks,i >eK >I don't know if it is the right newsgroup, so i explain what i want to do.-J >I would like to write a programm to download http files from www sites in3 >the backgroud, without surfing over a web Browser.N8 >as a start point i have the tcpip Programming examples. >s; >Have someone already done this kind of tcpip Programming ?b  >I appreciate any help or hints. >y >Thanks in advance.c  L Sounds like you want to rewrite fetch_http which is available as part of the' OSU webserver (and probably elsewhere).i  M If you don't want to download and unpack the OSU webserver you can pick it up 
 from my site    - http://www.axp.mdx.ac.uk/ftp/vms/fetch_http.cr  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 11:48:49 GMTl$ From: "News Account" <none@none.org> Subject: Re: tcpip Programming4 Message-ID: <Bieja.6126$Dd4.1663781@news.alltel.net>   Try WGET ...  ( http://www.antinode.org/dec/sw/wget.html   Don Woodward    - "Manser" <nmanser@progis.de> wrote in message.7 news:2178d61f.0304031627.49ee0915@posting.google.com...  > Hello folks, >eL > I don't know if it is the right newsgroup, so i explain what i want to do.K > I would like to write a programm to download http files from www sites inr4 > the backgroud, without surfing over a web Browser.9 > as a start point i have the tcpip Programming examples.r >m< > Have someone already done this kind of tcpip Programming ?! > I appreciate any help or hints.S >T > Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 14:00:18 GMTe/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>i4 Subject: Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map?* Message-ID: <b6k35i$5b2$1@news1.radix.net>   sms@antinode.org wrote:-1 > From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>    >> xterm always sets $TERM.p >> .* >> setting $TERMCAP in this case is a bug. >> r >> > ung# env | grep TERM0 >> > TERM=vt100h >> > TERMCAP=co#80:li#24:v   >    From "man xterm":  
 > ENVIRONMENTSC >      Xterm  sets   the   environment   variables   ``TERM''   anddC >      ``TERMCAP''  properly  for the size window you have created.r  F Solaris uses terminfo.  See this for example (man tgetent on Solaris):  A      The tgetent() routine looks up the termcap entry  for  name.X1      The emulation ignores the buffer pointer bp.e  I That accounts for the incomplete $TERMCAP variable, which would break any I application which actually uses $TERMCAP.  Hence, a bug.  I fixed that in:  XFree86 xterm several years ago.   -- <= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>S http://dickey.his.com  ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 08:24:18 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d4 Subject: Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map?3 Message-ID: <43DnWJDIYnvN@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  F In article <3E8C8435.93D55D6B@ftc.gov>, "JeffK." <uce@ftc.gov> writes:# > From the DECterm I telnetted in, r > cshv > setenv TERM vt100   > setenv DISPLAY yadda.yadda:0.0 > /usr/openwin/bin/term &p > F > I get the window and am able to some vi work, but the commands don't > match exactly. > D > One big tip is that someone tells me that the command to quit this > editor is wq instead of zz.= >  > Is this a shell thing?  /    No.  vi is a separate program frm the shell.a  G    But it looks like you've got some vi commands mistook.  The commandsy2    to exit vi from command mode are the sequences:	       :wqo    ori       ZZ
    not zz.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 14:49:35 GMT]/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> 4 Subject: Re: VMS XTERM to Sun Solaris: Keyboard Map?* Message-ID: <b6k61v$794$1@news1.radix.net>   sms@antinode.org wrote:u  J >    Personally, I'd suck down a recent copy of Vim (http://www.vim.org/),D > and use -g (or "gvim").  It's loads easier than learning to use vi > properly.)  A if you haven't bothered to learn vi properly, vim won't help muchx (recommend pico for that case).    -- t= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>l http://dickey.his.com  ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:42:06 GMTa" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG- Subject: Re: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG!0 Message-ID: <00A1DE0E.893A0A4B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <857e9e41.0304031936.27ef15e9@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:m% >The VMS SIG is an Encompass program.a/ >Dave Cathy is the Chair and I am the co-chair.t > D >The VMSSIG List server is an email DISSCUSION group which folks canD >sign up for on the the Encompass web site. It was originally just aE >broadcast email list but people comoplained that they wanted to talka  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  >too.p   Exactly... .    D >If folks do not want to be part of this email distribuiton they can >just send me mail.  > F >In the last 4 months I have sent 14,000 email messages (actual count)D >to a number of distribution lists.  I can not edit each message for# >each individual distribuiton list.A  8 There have been 85 from VMS-SIG since the 1st of April.     B >Additionally if folks want to talk about VMS experiences I am notG >going to stop them.  I also think that it is wonderful that folks feeltA >that they are getting to much mail around VMS or from VMS users.r  B That's fine.  It's just that the PeeCee mail server doesn't handleA email addresses like others I have subscribed to and it thereforeoB left ME as an outsider looking in.  I now have to massage the mail to get anything to post.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             u5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" d   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2003 08:35:13 -0600/; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: who is procedure of backup for vms 3 Message-ID: <3coJ4Pxhr9MQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  f In article <B71ja.248$Ob4.154@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:6 > In article <qlHmUwVw8cbb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:h > = >>   And I always get a standalone backup after an OS update.o > F > {Ahem} It may well be much MORE important to get a known good backup& > BEFORE an operating system updgrade.  E    Gee, I guess I assumed that was obvious.  It's in the installatione
    manual!  D    The reason I get one after the OS update is so that I know I can E    recover all critical files if an /ignore=interlock didn't pick up  E    something I didn't know about.  I don't want to have to restore to,<    the backup from before the update and reapply the update.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.186 ************************