1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 08 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 194       Contents:3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) 3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) + Re: Announcing HP Availability Manager V2.3  Re: bizarre SMTP problem Channels and TCPIP BG devices ! Re: Channels and TCPIP BG devices ! Re: Channels and TCPIP BG devices ! Re: Channels and TCPIP BG devices ! Re: Channels and TCPIP BG devices ! Re: Channels and TCPIP BG devices  Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors" Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX DFGE01027 and clusters? . Re: Do OpenVMS Alpha have a Year 2057 problem?  Re: Elvis has left the building!  Re: Elvis has left the building!  Re: Elvis has left the building! Re: ES47  with OpenVMS 7.3-1 Re: HSZ40 woes in need for vms 5.5-2 - Re: LOGINOUT.EXE locked by other user problem  Re: LUV VMS  Re: LUV VMS  Re: LUV VMS  Re: Montagar problems? Re: News posting1 News posting (was: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300) 5 Re: News posting (was: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300) J Re: Newsgroup posting conventions, was: RE: VMS Software Product  & OnlineP Re: Newsgroup posting conventions, was: RE: VMS Software Product  & Online  & On Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300 ! Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300 ! Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300 ! Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300 ! Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300 ) Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE ) Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE  Re: Resetting error count  Re: Resetting error count  Re: Resetting error count  Re: Resetting error count ( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work./ Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...  Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMS Re: TCPIP XDM service problem  TCPIP XDM service problem  Re: TCPIP XDM service problem  Re: TCPIP XDM service problem  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  X-windows server logging Re: X-windows server logging. Re: [very OT] Re: Elvis has left the building!  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:11:35 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> < Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)H Message-ID: <bpDka.87915$pNv.15668@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  1 "JustMe" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca> wrote in message 4 news:32tha.8856$D24.1069011@news20.bellglobal.com...A > Quite amazing that Mr. Harrison is always so self-assured (read  "arrogant") B > I wonder how he'll spin it when Sun ultimately hits the dust-bin (which) > might just be sooner rather than later)     < Andrew would spin the demise of Sun as a strategic marketing' technique....."We are the dot in .bomb"    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:19:17 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> < Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)H Message-ID: <pwDka.87993$pNv.59659@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message 0 news:b5t143$2cj67k$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...8 > In article <CFEFEOM437706.555150463@anonymous.poster>,9 > Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> writes:  > > > > >> I don't think we'll honor a PO for FUD from someone named
 Anonymous. > >  > > Be an ass. > C > Fred isn't the one being an ass.  Fred puts his name on his posts  > and stands by what he says.  >  > >             Doesn't matter.  > @ > Actually, it does.  Anyone who is not even willing to identify himself & > with his comments has 0 credibility.     What about "Deep Throat"?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:12:00 -04000 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>4 Subject: Re: Announcing HP Availability Manager V2.3$ Message-ID: <3e92e6be$1@news.si.com>  4 >I tried to download using Mozilla on OpenVMS Alpha.9 >I get an "unknown error" at the end of the transmission. E >I can download to a Windows PC and then FTP to OpenVMS; but I prefer % >doing my work on OpenVMS when I can.   " I used Lynx on VMS to download it. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:04:23 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ! Subject: Re: bizarre SMTP problem ; Message-ID: <01KUH9AURT8YA9LL1B@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   % > Do you have SMTP relaying enabled ? @ > If so, you can specifically allow certain machiens in the SMTP > configuration  > 8 > in the [Sys0.tcpip$smtp]smtp.congig file, you can put: > Good-Clients: 10.0.0.0/8 > J > for instance, which will allow anyone in the 10.* subnet to "relay" even/ > though the smtp service is set to to norelay.   # This might be useful in the future.   H > From the looks of your AIX log file, you don't seem to even get there.   Right.  F I have since found the problem.  As I mentioned, what I found strange B was that while I did a lot of reconfiguration last weekend, I did G nothing related to TCPIP or SMTP.  I have since found the problem: when D moving SYLOGIN.COM off the system disk, I inadvertently gave it the  wrong protection:   I %DCL-E-NOCMDPROC, error opening captive command procedure - access denied   ! HELP/MESSAGE NOCMDPROC even says:   F    You may also have incorrect protection on the system's SYLOGIN file6    (SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM or /SYSTEM/EXEC logical).    That was it.  I Due to what is apparently a HUGE coincidence, I was diverted by this red  3 herring: The file SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG reached ;32767.   , > oh, and there is another logical I forgot:( > $define/system TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_DEBUG 1  C Yes, I have the URL for your nice template and will set it up soon!    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 02:55:29 -0700 7 From: stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge) & Subject: Channels and TCPIP BG devices< Message-ID: <a48f6f51.0304080155.dbed657@posting.google.com>   Hi,   % A couple of hopefully easy questions:   F 1. When you get a channel returned from sys$assign is it unique across5 the whole system or just within the issuing process ?   F 2. Is there a method (preferably a system call) to map an open channel to a BG device ?   Thanks,  Steve Bainbridge   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:49:55 +0500 & From: Valentin Likoum <me@privacy.net>* Subject: Re: Channels and TCPIP BG devices5 Message-ID: <b6u9gg$8141k$1@ID-184585.news.dfncis.de>    Steve Bainbridge wrote:  > Hi,  > ' > A couple of hopefully easy questions:  > H > 1. When you get a channel returned from sys$assign is it unique across7 > the whole system or just within the issuing process ?  > H > 2. Is there a method (preferably a system call) to map an open channel > to a BG device ?  / 1. Channel number is unique within the process. ; 2. You don't need to. You simply assign channel to the BG:  9 template device and the new BGxxx device will be created  ; automatically for you and channel will be assigned to that  < device. Or you need to assign channel to the device created  in the another process?      --  
 Best regards, 
   Valentin)   valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:54:07 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG* Subject: Re: Channels and TCPIP BG devices0 Message-ID: <00A1E124.1E711D06@SendSpamHere.ORG>  v In article <a48f6f51.0304080155.dbed657@posting.google.com>, stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge) writes: >Hi, > & >A couple of hopefully easy questions: > G >1. When you get a channel returned from sys$assign is it unique across 6 >the whole system or just within the issuing process ?  E The channel returned from SYS$ASSIGN is an index into a table of data E structures carved out of memory in the process's P1 space.  Therefore F the channel is unique within the issuing process.  However the channelE number can be -- and is -- non-unique and other processes may also be E using channel 'n' but it might not be assigned to the same device as   is your channel 'n'.    G >2. Is there a method (preferably a system call) to map an open channel  >to a BG device ?   G A channel open to what?  If you need a channel open to a bg device, you G assign a channel to {TCPIP/UCX}$SOCKET and then issue a $QIO with func- 4 tion IO$_SETMODE to establish the socket parameters.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 07:50:24 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: Channels and TCPIP BG devices3 Message-ID: <ahlTS3Yfi8sD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   v In article <a48f6f51.0304080155.dbed657@posting.google.com>, stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge) writes: > Hi,  > ' > A couple of hopefully easy questions:  > H > 1. When you get a channel returned from sys$assign is it unique across7 > the whole system or just within the issuing process ?   
    Process  H > 2. Is there a method (preferably a system call) to map an open channel > to a BG device ?  
    sys$getdvi    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 06:34:51 -0700 7 From: stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge) * Subject: Re: Channels and TCPIP BG devices= Message-ID: <a48f6f51.0304080534.6fcfdfab@posting.google.com>   X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A1E124.1E711D06@SendSpamHere.ORG>...x > In article <a48f6f51.0304080155.dbed657@posting.google.com>, stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge) writes: > >Hi, > > ( > >A couple of hopefully easy questions: > > I > >1. When you get a channel returned from sys$assign is it unique across 8 > >the whole system or just within the issuing process ? > G > The channel returned from SYS$ASSIGN is an index into a table of data G > structures carved out of memory in the process's P1 space.  Therefore H > the channel is unique within the issuing process.  However the channelG > number can be -- and is -- non-unique and other processes may also be G > using channel 'n' but it might not be assigned to the same device as   > is your channel 'n'.   Thanks.     > I > >2. Is there a method (preferably a system call) to map an open channel  > >to a BG device ?  > I > A channel open to what?  If you need a channel open to a bg device, you I > assign a channel to {TCPIP/UCX}$SOCKET and then issue a $QIO with func- 6 > tion IO$_SETMODE to establish the socket parameters.  E Yes I know that. What I'm really after is a mapping between a channel ; number as returned by sys$assign (using the template device A TCPIP$DEVICE) and then creating a socket etc. and it's associated 
 BGxxx device.   B It's essentially for debug/monitoring purposes so that I know what' channel and BGxxx device has gone AWOL.    Regards, Steve    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:06:03 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG* Subject: Re: Channels and TCPIP BG devices0 Message-ID: <00A1E14F.B22792B6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  w In article <a48f6f51.0304080534.6fcfdfab@posting.google.com>, stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge) writes: Y >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A1E124.1E711D06@SendSpamHere.ORG>... y >> In article <a48f6f51.0304080155.dbed657@posting.google.com>, stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge) writes:  >> >Hi,  >> >) >> >A couple of hopefully easy questions:  >> >J >> >1. When you get a channel returned from sys$assign is it unique across9 >> >the whole system or just within the issuing process ?  >>  H >> The channel returned from SYS$ASSIGN is an index into a table of dataH >> structures carved out of memory in the process's P1 space.  ThereforeI >> the channel is unique within the issuing process.  However the channel H >> number can be -- and is -- non-unique and other processes may also beH >> using channel 'n' but it might not be assigned to the same device as  >> is your channel 'n'.  >  >Thanks. >  >>  J >> >2. Is there a method (preferably a system call) to map an open channel >> >to a BG device ? >>  J >> A channel open to what?  If you need a channel open to a bg device, youJ >> assign a channel to {TCPIP/UCX}$SOCKET and then issue a $QIO with func-7 >> tion IO$_SETMODE to establish the socket parameters.  > F >Yes I know that. What I'm really after is a mapping between a channel< >number as returned by sys$assign (using the template deviceB >TCPIP$DEVICE) and then creating a socket etc. and it's associated >BGxxx device. > C >It's essentially for debug/monitoring purposes so that I know what ( >channel and BGxxx device has gone AWOL.  B $GETDVI -- supply channel and itemlist requesting the device name.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:49:23 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors . Message-ID: <3E929B23.5060109@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:X > In article <3E918490.80309@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: > F >>We supply a Linux run environment for Solaris x86 which allows LinuxI >>apps to just run without porting. So that claim is demonstrably untrue.  >> >  > G >    And you personnaly have seen real life apps ported in this way how  >    many times? >     A I have personally ported wine to Solaris x86 it worked fine, well . it worked within the limits of what wine does.  ? I have also run unmodified x86 Linux executables on Solaris x86  mostly simple things like less.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:51:43 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors . Message-ID: <3E929BAF.7040108@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3E91874B.4080604@nospamn.sun.com>...  >  >>Bill Todd wrote: >>K >>>"Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message 0 >>>news:yxPAO8oS8uZI@eisner.encompasserve.org... >>>  >>> < >>>>In article <3E8D403C.42CF8F63@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei >>> , >>><jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >>>  >>> L >>>>>What is involved in porting from AIX to Linux if all the middleware andK >>>>>commercial packages exist on both ? Woudln't a port be fairly simple ?  >>>>C >>>>  UNIX hype of that type rarely plays out in a real world port.  >>> E >>Depends what you define as inexpensive. Solaris x86 is cheaper than C >>most Linux distributions. Red-Hat ES which supports up to 2 CPU's J >>costs ~400 dollars, AS >2 CPU's 1400 dollars. Solaris x86 which supportsI >>8 CPU's costs 95 dollars much cheaper and it runs on the same hardware.  >>E >>So it has a lower TCA than most commercial Linux distros and a much  >>lower TCO. >>G >>But all we are talking about is a kernel here, Linux is just a kernel C >>with various OpenSource non Linux layered products, shells, libs,  >>compilers etc. >>H >>The shells, libs and compilers all run on almost any UNIX and many non >>UNIX variants. >>F >>So we end up with discussion about which is the most suitable kernel3 >>to support a particular set of utilites and apps.  >>  B >>If 95 dollars seems like a good deal to you then use Solaris x862 >>why bother paying much more for less with Linux. >>  	 >>regards  >>Andrew Harrison  >  > A > and why bother paying more for both slowaris and linux ... they @ > all lack security, of course that costs extra, when VMS has itB > built right in, and with the best clustering also built in, your7 > TCO blows all the unix/linux/windoze garbage away ...   4 Umm so does OpenVMS run on commodity x86 hardware ??  : Thank you for your well thought out and reasoned response.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:42:25 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors , Message-ID: <3E929981.90906@nospamn.sun.com>   John Santos wrote:> > On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >  >> >>Alan Adams wrote:  >>4 >>>In message <nAOdnVGAn9nHUhCjXTWc3Q@metrocast.net>8 >>>          "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: >>>  >>>  >>> L >>>>"Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message1 >>>>news:yxPAO8oS8uZI@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >>>> >>>>= >>>>>In article <3E8D403C.42CF8F63@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei  >>>>- >>>><jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  >>>> >>>>M >>>>>>What is involved in porting from AIX to Linux if all the middleware and L >>>>>>commercial packages exist on both ? Woudln't a port be fairly simple ? >>>>> D >>>>>  UNIX hype of that type rarely plays out in a real world port. >>>>O >>>>That's because it involves porting from one vendor's Unix to another's.  In G >>>>the case above, IBM controls both the source and to some degree the M >>>>destination (in terms of freedom to enhance it as required), and is in an M >>>>excellent position to ensure the transparency of the port if it wants to.  >>>>O >>>>IBM and Sun seem to be following similar strategies in this area:  position G >>>>Linux as their inexpensive low-end offering, with compatible growth M >>>>potential to their higher-margin proprietary upper-end products, plus the L >>>>patina of 'standardness' courtesy of the Linux aspect.  If Linux becomesL >>>>wildly popular, they're ready; until then, they retain their high-marginN >>>>business plus a compatible low-end extension that (because right now LinuxP >>>>*isn't* really yet applicable to the high end) doesn't compete directly with >>>>it.  >>>>
 >>>>- bill >>>  >>> O >>>And the above porting efforts will still be harder than the VMS Vax to Alpha O >>>port, never mind the Alpha to Itanium, which for most users looks like being  >>>simpler still.  >>>  >>>  >> >>Humm >>F >>We supply a Linux run environment for Solaris x86 which allows LinuxI >>apps to just run without porting. So that claim is demonstrably untrue.  >  > B > And exactly how does that help porting AIX to Linux?  Or SolarisA > to Linux, for that matter?  The claim you are disputing is that B > it is harder to port from a proprietary Unix to Linux than it isB > to port from VAX VMS to Alpha VMS, with an aside that it will be5 > still easier to port from Alpha VMS to Itanium VMS.  >   6 Well if you had looked at the next paragraph you would4 have found your answer. Read the paragraph below !!!   > F >>Of course you need to re-compile for SPARC because the vast majorityC >>of Linux apps are x86, but since Solaris SPARC alson support GLib % >>GCC etc this is an easy propostion.  >>   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 12:46:18 GMT , From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 5 Message-ID: <b6ugap$96g6c$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   . In article <3E91874B.4080604@nospamn.sun.com>,T 	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy   <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > A > If you don't want to pay anyting at all then you can download a A > free Linux distro but this won't have the capabilities of ES or > > AS from Red Hat for example, this is also fine if you have aD > low CPU count and you only care about single threaded performance.  C Just out of curiosity, what capabilities are missing?  You have the B sources, if you are saying something is tuened off, you could justA turn it on.  All you really pay for is pre-install configuration.    > B > If 95 dollars seems like a good deal to you then use Solaris x862 > why bother paying much more for less with Linux.  B Or FreeBSD which is just as cheap if not cheaper (you can downloadA the ISO's for that too) and has even less encumbrance than Linux.   C I really don't understand why businesses aren't flocking to FreeBSD B or one of the other BSD's instead of Linux, although I would guessG the big difference is marketing.  And, where have we heard that before?    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:50:45 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors ; Message-ID: <01KUHLNEKW1KAH3CVK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   7 From:	IN%"bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu"  8-APR-2003 14:47:08.53  To:	IN%"Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" CC:	 Subj:	RE: COV Sponsors  , Return-path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>> Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sysdev.deutsche-boerse.comO  (PMDF V5.2-32 #40434) id <01KUHLIW3840AAVPN0@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>; Tue,    8 Apr 2003 14:47:08 +0100 (MET): Received: from mailp1.deutsche-boerse.de ([172.20.125.50])4  by sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #40436)D  with ESMTP id <01KUHLIVJGXGAH3D0L@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>; Tue,!  08 Apr 2003 14:47:02 +0100 (MET) L Received: from deimos1.deutsche-boerse.de () by mailhub.exchange.de (V1.3.2)1  id h38Cl1j10094; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:47:02 +0200 M Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail2.exchange.de (V1.3) id OAA19484; Tue, %  08 Apr 2003 14:47:01 +0200 (MET DST) M Received: from unknown(198.151.12.104) by deimos1.deutsche-boerse.de via smap 5  (V5.0)	id xma019385; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:46:34 +0200 + Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 12:46:18 +0000 (GMT) , From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: COV Sponsors  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 Reply-to: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Message-id: <b6ugap$96g6c$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de> > Organization: Computing Sciences Dept., University of Scranton MIME-version: 1.0  Content-type: text/plainB X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1049805978 9650380 24.49.78.23 (16 [135708]) X-Gateway-From: mvb.saic.com	 Lines: 30 H X-Authentication-warning: deimos1.deutsche-boerse.de: uucp set sender to)  <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com> using -f = X-Comment: Message Virus scanned by sysdev.deutsche-boerse.de  X-Gateway-source-info: USENET  X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1  . In article <3E91874B.4080604@nospamn.sun.com>,T 	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy   <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > A > If you don't want to pay anyting at all then you can download a A > free Linux distro but this won't have the capabilities of ES or > > AS from Red Hat for example, this is also fine if you have aD > low CPU count and you only care about single threaded performance.  C Just out of curiosity, what capabilities are missing?  You have the B sources, if you are saying something is tuened off, you could justA turn it on.  All you really pay for is pre-install configuration.    > B > If 95 dollars seems like a good deal to you then use Solaris x862 > why bother paying much more for less with Linux.  B Or FreeBSD which is just as cheap if not cheaper (you can downloadA the ISO's for that too) and has even less encumbrance than Linux.   C I really don't understand why businesses aren't flocking to FreeBSD B or one of the other BSD's instead of Linux, although I would guessG the big difference is marketing.  And, where have we heard that before?    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:58:16 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors ; Message-ID: <01KUHLNR8WNYAH3CVK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > I really don't understand why businesses aren't flocking to FreeBSD orI > one of the other BSD's instead of Linux, although I would guess the big B > difference is marketing.  And, where have we heard that before?    Indeed.   D There have been some threads here recently about organisations whichH offer DNS services for rapidly changing IP addresses.  One such service,A one of the biggest and one of which I am a satisfied customer, is C Dyndns.org.  They run FreeBSD on Intel hardware.  Of course, in an  A operation like this, one also has to be concerned not just about  H hardware and software but also about disaster tolerance etc, which they @ do by distributing their servers across more than one continent.  I If you understand German, I recommend http://www.dynaccess.de.  They are  9 a bit more expensive, but offer some more stuff, such as:   G    o  servers in Germany (required by DENIC, the registration body, for ?       .de domains (similar rules apply to .nl and .dk domains))   E    o  SMTP relay based on IP, not SMTP authorisation or email address   D    o  the ability to automatically disable an account if an expectedB       update doesn't come (not to be confused with the TTL for the       DNS entry)  A I am also a satisfied dynaccess.de customer.  (I don't know what    hardware and software they run.)   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 07:37:36 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 3 Message-ID: <ZhMOK54t+vkd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3E929B23.5060109@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: > C > I have personally ported wine to Solaris x86 it worked fine, well 0 > it worked within the limits of what wine does. > A > I have also run unmodified x86 Linux executables on Solaris x86 ! > mostly simple things like less.   '    Let us know when you try a real app.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:26:50 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors . Message-ID: <3E92DC2A.9050509@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:Z > In article <3E929B23.5060109@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: > C >>I have personally ported wine to Solaris x86 it worked fine, well 0 >>it worked within the limits of what wine does. >>A >>I have also run unmodified x86 Linux executables on Solaris x86 ! >>mostly simple things like less.  >  > ) >    Let us know when you try a real app.  >    Well wine is a real app.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:53:21 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors , Message-ID: <3E92E261.30508@nospamn.sun.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:0 > In article <3E91874B.4080604@nospamn.sun.com>,V > 	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy   <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > A >>If you don't want to pay anyting at all then you can download a A >>free Linux distro but this won't have the capabilities of ES or > >>AS from Red Hat for example, this is also fine if you have aD >>low CPU count and you only care about single threaded performance. >  > E > Just out of curiosity, what capabilities are missing?  You have the D > sources, if you are saying something is tuened off, you could justC > turn it on.  All you really pay for is pre-install configuration.  >   @ Red Hat claim that ES does not support more than 2 CPU's or more! than 4 GB of RAM on a x86 server.   < ES and AS are part of Red Hats Enterprise Linux product set.  < They provide a document that explains the difference between8 the Enteprise Product set and the free to download Linux distro.   8 They claim that their Enterprise Linux products are more; scalable, stable and performant than their free to download  version.  A They also claim that ISV's qualify against the Enteprise versions = and not the free to download version. This is definitely true  for Oracle products.  > They claim that the free to download versions are based on the: standard Linux kernel while the Enteprise versions include? extensive kernel tuning to improve performance and scalability.   A http://www.redhat.com/whitepapers/rhel/ASESWS_Family_Overview.pdf    Provides a high level overview.    > B >>If 95 dollars seems like a good deal to you then use Solaris x862 >>why bother paying much more for less with Linux. >  > D > Or FreeBSD which is just as cheap if not cheaper (you can downloadC > the ISO's for that too) and has even less encumbrance than Linux.  > E > I really don't understand why businesses aren't flocking to FreeBSD D > or one of the other BSD's instead of Linux, although I would guessI > the big difference is marketing.  And, where have we heard that before?  >    It is entirely marketing.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 16:43:31 GMT , From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 5 Message-ID: <b6uu7j$96em5$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   , In article <3E92E261.30508@nospamn.sun.com>,T 	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy   <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:1 >> In article <3E91874B.4080604@nospamn.sun.com>, W >> 	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy   <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  >>  B >>>If you don't want to pay anyting at all then you can download aB >>>free Linux distro but this won't have the capabilities of ES or? >>>AS from Red Hat for example, this is also fine if you have a E >>>low CPU count and you only care about single threaded performance.  >>   >>  F >> Just out of curiosity, what capabilities are missing?  You have theE >> sources, if you are saying something is tuened off, you could just D >> turn it on.  All you really pay for is pre-install configuration. >>   > B > Red Hat claim that ES does not support more than 2 CPU's or more# > than 4 GB of RAM on a x86 server.   E Ummmm.  According to the requirements of the GPL they would both have C to be the same.  They might not have features turned on in the free E one by default, but they have to be there.  So turn them on yourself. D Much like FreeBSd doesn't suport SMP out of the box, but you can set7 the necessary options, rebuild the kernel and it works.    > > > ES and AS are part of Red Hats Enterprise Linux product set. > > > They provide a document that explains the difference between: > the Enteprise Product set and the free to download Linux	 > distro.  > : > They claim that their Enterprise Linux products are more= > scalable, stable and performant than their free to download 
 > version.  ? And the GPL, which covers the kernel and all the non-commercial : utilities and applications requires that they be the same.   > C > They also claim that ISV's qualify against the Enteprise versions ? > and not the free to download version. This is definitely true  > for Oracle products. > @ > They claim that the free to download versions are based on the< > standard Linux kernel while the Enteprise versions includeA > extensive kernel tuning to improve performance and scalability.   A And the GPL would require that they make any modifications to the B kernel public.  Or is this yet another case of how the GPL doesn't$ really do what people think it does.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:11:14 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors . Message-ID: <3E9302B2.8090409@nospamn.sun.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:. > In article <3E92E261.30508@nospamn.sun.com>,V > 	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy   <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >> >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>1 >>>In article <3E91874B.4080604@nospamn.sun.com>, W >>>	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy   <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  >>>  >>>    >>@ >>They claim that the free to download versions are based on the< >>standard Linux kernel while the Enteprise versions includeA >>extensive kernel tuning to improve performance and scalability.  >  > C > And the GPL would require that they make any modifications to thegD > kernel public.  Or is this yet another case of how the GPL doesn't& > really do what people think it does. >   9 I am only reporting what Red Hats own product paper says.a  = However it is clear that whatever the GPL may say ISV's arn'tn9 qualifying against the Linux generic codebase but againsto< specific mostly commercial Linux distros like Red Hat ES/AS.  < So if you want supported commercial software like Oracle you6 have to pay regardless of what the codebase really is.   Regardsn Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:32:04 -0500a From: brandon@dalsemi.coml+ Subject: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIXt1 Message-ID: <03040811320496@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>S  J I have MACRO code that allows me to speed-up or slow-down the internal VMS, clock one-hour over five-hours (adjustable).  I On the Alpha the registers are G^EXE$GL_TIMEADJUST & G^EXE$GL_TICKLENGTH.7    J Does anyone know of a similiar method that could be used for UNIX servers?     John Brandon VMS Systems Administratora Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fxu   ------------------------------  " Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:19:36 GMT' From: Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>A  Subject: DFGE01027 and clusters?) Message-ID: <3E92CC68.AA3EDA8D@uiowa.edu>0  M Has anyone applied the ECO to DFO v2.7 in a clustered environment?  I think ITL am having problems but wanted to ask around to see if it is maybe just me...  G My standalone Alphas are fine and the mail bug appears fixed, but in my 	 clusteredeM systems it seems like the manager dies after completing a job and sending the.I mail.  A job started later just sits and does not start executing until Io shutdown and then restart.T   Rick   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 07:40:45 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e7 Subject: Re: Do OpenVMS Alpha have a Year 2057 problem?f3 Message-ID: <LZEpArfb2fHX@eisner.encompasserve.org>v  w In article <01KUGI76PG9IAH2P35@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:-I >> IMHO, anyone still using 2 digit date codes is not the brightest lightyB >> bulb in the room. Storage and memory is so cheap (comparativelyD >> speaking) that this issue should have died a couple years ago...  > K > True, cheap they are.  Is it true that that was the reason why two-digit 2K > years were originally used in a lot of software, or was it just the lack yI > of realising that the software might still be running in the year 2000?u  @    It was requirements from lazy end users who had no concept of    software maintenance costs.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 01:17:02 -0500 * From: "Chuck Stewart" <zapkitty@gmx.co.uk>) Subject: Re: Elvis has left the building! 6 Message-ID: <pan.2003.04.08.06.16.55.630251@gmx.co.uk>  7 On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:04:18 +1000, Alan Erskine wrote:p  - > "Chuck Stewart" <zapkitty@gmx.co.uk> wrote:g  : >> On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 13:55:57 +0000, Mike Speegle wrote:  C >> >     Asshole, you don't post a person's personal info.  Period.F   >> Alan did?  G > No, Alan did not.  If you recall about a year-or-so ago, JTM tried to L > harrass people by finding out their real addresses and posting them to theK > groups.  I was the first to volunteer mine as a form of retaliation and IrG > was followed by several others and that ended that as JTM realised it  > wouldn't work.  tN > Chuck, could you kindly reply to this so Mike can see it.  I agree with whatJ > he says and I wouldn't dream of asking for an apology as his reaction is > understandable.  Mike, OK?  -' Damn... now I'm an answering machine :p    > -- > Alan Erskine   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:04:18 +10002 From: "Alan Erskine" <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au>) Subject: Re: Elvis has left the building!h< Message-ID: <3e926658$0$12376$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  5 "Chuck Stewart" <zapkitty@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message;0 news:pan.2003.04.07.20.43.42.684080@gmx.co.uk...9 > On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 13:55:57 +0000, Mike Speegle wrote:l > : > > Alan Erskine alanerskine@optusnet.com.au <Alan Erskine' > > alanerskine@optusnet.com.au> typed:  >vB > >     Asshole, you don't post a person's personal info.  Period. >h >" > Alan did?s  E No, Alan did not.  If you recall about a year-or-so ago, JTM tried toyJ harrass people by finding out their real addresses and posting them to theI groups.  I was the first to volunteer mine as a form of retaliation and I:E was followed by several others and that ended that as JTM realised its wouldn't work.  L Chuck, could you kindly reply to this so Mike can see it.  I agree with whatH he says and I wouldn't dream of asking for an apology as his reaction is understandable.  Mike, OK?   -- Alan Erskine alanerskine(at)optusnet.com.au The Coalition of the Willing,t against the Axis of Evil,v In a War of the Damned   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 02:07:56 -0600/ From: "Mike Speegle" <mikespeegle@netscape.net>e) Subject: Re: Elvis has left the building!n5 Message-ID: <b6u00e$8nq4g$1@ID-130573.news.dfncis.de>a  1 Alan Erskine <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au> typed:a7 > "Chuck Stewart" <zapkitty@gmx.co.uk> wrote in messageh2 > news:pan.2003.04.07.20.43.42.684080@gmx.co.uk...: >> On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 13:55:57 +0000, Mike Speegle wrote: >>: >>> Alan Erskine alanerskine@optusnet.com.au <Alan Erskine' >>> alanerskine@optusnet.com.au> typed:E >>B >>>     Asshole, you don't post a person's personal info.  Period. >> >> >> Alan did? > G > No, Alan did not.  If you recall about a year-or-so ago, JTM tried to E > harrass people by finding out their real addresses and posting themd@ > to the groups.  I was the first to volunteer mine as a form ofF > retaliation and I was followed by several others and that ended that# > as JTM realised it wouldn't work.o >nD > Chuck, could you kindly reply to this so Mike can see it.  I agreeD > with what he says and I wouldn't dream of asking for an apology as, > his reaction is understandable.  Mike, OK?  A     Obviously, since I can see your post, the one I plonked was ag forgery.  mmkay?  ;-)  -- p Mike8 ________________________________________________________3 "Colorado Ski Country, USA"   Come often. Ski hard. 8 Spend *lots* of money. Then leave as quickly as you can.8 Rec.Skiing.Alpine.Moderated is up and working!  Join in!   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 00:44:06 -0700-7 From: stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge) % Subject: Re: ES47  with OpenVMS 7.3-1 = Message-ID: <a48f6f51.0304072344.2423cefe@posting.google.com>$  g "Toine Dirven" <tdirven@volvocars.com> wrote in message news:<b6si8n$prp1@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com>...e > Hello, > I > At the moment I have a cluster with two ES45 alpha servers with OpenVMS  > 7.3-1./ > I just want to replace one ES45 with an ES47.  > Is this possible ?% > I'm using Rdb 7.01 en Oracle 8.1.7.p > ( > Is anyone using an ES47 with OpenVMS ? > How is the performance ? > N > Now I have a ES45 with 4 CPU's of 1250 MHz and a lot of cache but I have CPU > performance problems.i3 > Is an ES47 with 4 CPU's of 1000 MHz much faster ?e >  > Best regards,  >  > Toine Dirven > Volvo Cars Genth	 > Belgiume   Hi,   F We have a similar set-up; Several 4CPU ES40s running at various speedsE and several 4CPU ES45s running at 1GHz and 1.25GHz. A couple of weeks-F ago we were able to get a loan of an ES47 from HP. After doing variousD benchmarks we came to the conclusion that an ES45 running at 1.25GHz9 provided better throughput (for us) than an ES47 at 1GHz.0  @ I'm afraid there's no hard and fast rule - it's very applicationF dependant. The slower clock speed and cache size on the ES47 has to be= traded against the significantly faster (main) memory access.s  F Maybe HP will be willing to loan you a machine or perhaps you can take? your application along to one of their sites for benchmarking ?    Regards, Steves   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 06:10:07 GMT ' From: Doc Octopus <dococt@noschpam.org>w Subject: Re: HSZ40 woesc/ Message-ID: <Xns9356EBB7FD5C5XSlug27@68.6.19.6>    [posted and mailed]n  F On 07 Apr 2003, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> posted some * news:3E924195.8934F26@applied-synergy.com:  > > I did an experiment here this weekend and now need some help( > straightening out the results.  <sigh> > I > I was investigating support options for an HSZ50.  Since we had a spare F > HSZ40 (actually, a SWXCR-05), I suggested that it could be used as a	 > backup.- > I > We tested that this weekend.  The HSZ40 was working properly.  ShutdownOG > and remove the HSZ50 and its cache.  Install the HSZ40 in its place.   > Power backup up. > J > The HSZ40 booted fine, but had the configuration for its old box.  So, I= > started with a "SET THIS_CONTROLLER INITIAL_CONFIGURATION".  > : > After the HSZ40 rebooted, its licenses were all INVALID! > J > One odd think I noticed was that when setting the initial configuration,G > the HSZ40 reported that it was loading the configuration from a driveeF > that had SAVE_CONFIGURATION set, but it didn't actually load the newJ > configutation.  Could trying to load a HSZ50 configuration hose a HSZ40? > E > Also, I didn't notice before this, but "SHOW THIS" reports that thelF > controller is a SWXCR-04 when it is really a SWXCR-05.  (What is the, > difference between a -04 and -05 anyways?) > B > The serial number on the controller is still set correctly.  TheD > controller seems to work correctly, it just doesn't have any valid > licenses anymore.t >  > The HSZ40 is running V31Z-4. >  > So my questions are: >  > What causes this?e > # > How can the licenses be restored?1 > J > Were there any controllers sold that didn't have these licenses enabled? >  > Thanx! >  > I > -----------------------------------------------------------------------g& > Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. > E > Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com ? >   Fax: 817-237-3074u >     J You cannot use an HSZ50 as a transparent upgrade/replacement for an HSZ40 F and vice versa.  This is stated clearly in all HSZ50 firmware release J notes.  An HSZ40 cannot load meta configuration for an HSZ50 from a drive H with saved meta config info and vice versa.  The configurations are not G compatible.  You have to dump and fatfinger the configurations.  You'd hH better have a screen dump of all controller config info before you even ( think of attempting something like this.  J Setting any HSZXX to initial configuration will do exactly that - zap the B configuration and all licenses.  That's the intent of the CLI set  this_controller initial...  J If you know the configurations and names of the arrays, you can certainly H use the HSZ40 or 50 as swap replacements, but - again, you will have to I remove any existing configurations from the controller and fatfinger the aJ correct array info back in.  If you are not familiar with the CLI for HSZ I controllers, use CFMENU to remove the old configurations and add the new  C ones.  If you don't have a well documented configuration you're in : trouble.  K Do not initialize the drives, simply match the configurations that existed sI on the previous controller exactly and they will work perfectly, as long 0I as you have the appropriate licenses.  If you initialize the drives, the v( information on them is immediately dust.  K Another note.  Depite the fact that there is existing meta config space on  J a drive initialized by either HSZ controller, neither controller will use H that space after a swap.  Use the CLI, set one drive with reserved meta G space to write protect status, restart the controller and then unwrite fJ protect the drive.  It will then write the controller config to the drive C with reserved meta space.  Do it before you try and boot something.a  K Unless you have a firmware license card or a way to fat finger the license ' codes in you're out of luck.    J However, if you have a second HSZ40, you can install both controllers and H set failover copy from the good controller to the one you zapped and it K will add the licenses it has to the zapped controller.  Ensure you do this aF correctly or you will zero the good controller.  No you cannot use an  HSZ50 to do this.m  E Most HSZXX controllers had some form of basic striping and mirroring ?I licensing out of the box.  Otherwise they were just high priced hardware CK with no more capabilities than your average SCSI controller carrying a ton b	 of cache.c   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 08:03:14 -0700p" From: alex.schamari@gmx.net (Alex) Subject: in need for vms 5.5-2= Message-ID: <c72bf925.0304080703.5f7b14c2@posting.google.com>.  	 hi folks,o    I'm looking for vms 5.5-2 media.% Does anybody know, where to get this. = I owned a cd with vms 5.5 but only have the dist cds anymore. < New versions aren't an option at all because of the licenses I have are for 5.5   thanks in advancec   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:01:32 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>6 Subject: Re: LOGINOUT.EXE locked by other user problem4 Message-ID: <b6tvku$nmm$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   Gareth Williams wrote:> >   I implemented your suggestion about opening SYSUAF.DAT andA > RIGHTSLIST.DAT for myself and holding them open.  The two files B > are opened early in the boot-up sequence by a job submitted intoB > a sponge queue that opens the files and then just loops around a3 > WAIT 23:00:00 statement to ensure they stay open.> > A >   This seemed to cut down the number of "File locked" problems.iA > But we're still seeing situations where the "File locked" error A > will occur consistently over a period of a minute or more.  ArefC > there any other files accessed by LOGINOUT.EXE apart from the twoo > mentioned above?  8 How about the proxy database ? netproxy and/or net$proxyD Other items listed in the 'authorization database' (guide to system - security) are vms$objects & vms$audit_server.    ChrisR   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Apr 2003 23:04:59 -0700o# From: usdutchie1@covad.net (Pierre)  Subject: Re: LUV VMS= Message-ID: <7c7925e7.0304072204.41b78862@posting.google.com>8  _ "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message news:<b6sho4$8joej$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>...a; > "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> schreef in berichte6 > news:Syjka.257$2i6.255@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...E > > At least that's what his car says. Spotted 4-apr-2003, northbound@B > > highway 101 near Palo Alto, CA.  If it's our VMS then it looks > > like someone has a job!h > >d, > > See: http://www.mkaz.com/tmp/luv_vms.jpg > >? > > Jim  > >t0 > With a nice pay check, considering the car :-)   Schijn bedriegt, Hans.... :-(   ? Yes, this is our VMS; is there any other even worth mentioning?i7 I'm glad you like my license plate (and car); I do too!a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 12:32:55 GMT0& From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@attbi.com> Subject: Re: LUV VMS( Message-ID: <3E92C171.7050502@attbi.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote:aN > On 4/7/03 6:30 PM, in article 3E92261E.4C0D67DF@fsi.net, "David J. Dachtera"  > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  >  >>James Gessling wrote:r >>D >>>At least that's what his car says. Spotted 4-apr-2003, northboundA >>>highway 101 near Palo Alto, CA.  If it's our VMS then it looks  >>>like someone has a job! >>>N+ >>>See: http://www.mkaz.com/tmp/luv_vms.jpgi >>G >>Have you perchance a friend at the DMV who could find out the owner'suJ >>identity? ...and could you then maybe write me privately and ask if it'sD >>Virtual Memory System, Voluntary Milking System, Vendor Management >>System, etc. ? >  > M > Seen on the 405 South Between the 710 (Long Beach) and the 55 (Costa Mesa),.M > M-F from 6-7 AM is a silver Mercury Villager Min-van with license CMKRNL. IlN > guess he doesn't make as much money as the VMS vete, but there is no mistake > what he is into. >   ? That would probably be Jamie Hanrahan, formerly a VMS user, and = now (mostly?) doing stuff under VMS+111.  See: www.cmkrnl.com. -- e Cheers, Bobw   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:27:27 -07002% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>  Subject: Re: LUV VMS( Message-ID: <3E92F86F.9080005@rdrop.com>   Bob Willard wrote:A > That would probably be Jamie Hanrahan, formerly a VMS user, and ? > now (mostly?) doing stuff under VMS+111.  See: www.cmkrnl.come  : Which, at least on the surface, only mentions NT. Sadness.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 10:56:24 -0700K+ From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)o Subject: Re: Montagar problems?P< Message-ID: <e565ed03.0304080956.2c8edfd@posting.google.com>   Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<960386dc4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>...E > I tried several times today to connect to www.montagar.com, and got> >  >  500 server errors  G And recently it was worse than that.  Sunday and most of Monday, my T-1 E circuit failed leaving pretty much everything down for over 24 hours.uD Verizon got the cable repaired last night, and everything is back to normal.a   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:40:10 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>> Subject: Re: News postingu; Message-ID: <01KUHEWO50YUAH3CVK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>B  B > > > I wrote a long post describing all the details and this damnD > > > POS ported-from-unix crap Pine decided to spontaneaously abort= > > > and threw it all away, when I was about 1 sentence fromr? > > > completing.  I could have recovered about half of it fromf6 > > > my DECTerm scrollback buffer, but I'm too PO'ed. > > M > > Obvious question: if you are accessing comp.os.vms via NNTP, why not use tK > > NEWSRDR?  If you are accessing Info-VAX via SMTP, why not use VMS mail?a > 9 > My goodness, I wish I could (access again by VMS mail).t  F Since he mentioned "ported from unix" and "DECterm", I assumed he was G using PINE on VMS, perhaps via PMDF.  If so, then access from VMS MAIL o should be possible as well.s  J > Our IT has been TOLD (I like that, we [our IT people without a single ITJ > professional on the staff] pay big bucks to hire them as consultants and. > they TELL us!!) by Gartner to kill all VMS.   F Red alert!  Red alert!  Uhura, please contact Mark Gorham immediately!  5 Seriously, send Mark a copy of this Gartner bullshit.o   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:24:51 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i: Subject: News posting (was: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300); Message-ID: <01KUHA98Y28YA9LL1B@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>g  > > I wrote a long post describing all the details and this damn@ > POS ported-from-unix crap Pine decided to spontaneaously abort9 > and threw it all away, when I was about 1 sentence fromS; > completing.  I could have recovered about half of it fromn2 > my DECTerm scrollback buffer, but I'm too PO'ed.  I Obvious question: if you are accessing comp.os.vms via NNTP, why not use eG NEWSRDR?  If you are accessing Info-VAX via SMTP, why not use VMS mail?6   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:32:10 +1000c1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>N> Subject: Re: News posting (was: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300), Message-ID: <3E92890A.8050409@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Phillip Helbig wrote: > >>I wrote a long post describing all the details and this damn@ >>POS ported-from-unix crap Pine decided to spontaneaously abort9 >>and threw it all away, when I was about 1 sentence fromo; >>completing.  I could have recovered about half of it fromo2 >>my DECTerm scrollback buffer, but I'm too PO'ed. >  > K > Obvious question: if you are accessing comp.os.vms via NNTP, why not use  I > NEWSRDR?  If you are accessing Info-VAX via SMTP, why not use VMS mail?   7 My goodness, I wish I could (access again by VMS mail).w  H Some might remember that I had a zzz in my address and did not get this  rubbish that will be appended.  H I had a special account that went directly to my VMS mail.  I loved the B way it handled my mail - it was on my machine and nobody had such L control that if I exceeded blah blah I would not be able to send or receive.  I Our IT has been TOLD (I like that, we [our IT people without a single IT aI professional on the staff] pay big bucks to hire them as consultants and hC they TELL us!!) by Gartner to kill all VMS.  Our section are still  G maintaining our VMS applications.  We have had to change all DECnet to -D TCPIP and I have no access from VMS to the world.  I use Mozilla to E connect to our "standard corporate account" on Outhouse.  Mozilla in eA this respect is better than nothing, but to me does not have the 	F versatility of usage that I enjoyed with VMS mail.  It's too close to F the crappy MS stuff. (Sorry Colin (I may be wrong, but you seem to be I the maintainer), I believe you're doing your best to access and probably e mimic a very inferior product)   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************d  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged-> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisenB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.3  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid dA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the a= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with eC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses(> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 12:07:10 +0200[2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>S Subject: Re: Newsgroup posting conventions, was: RE: VMS Software Product  & OnlineR+ Message-ID: <3E92BB6E.367D9268@digital.com>s   gregc at gregcagle.com wrote:s > * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > < > > Use Netscape then, its an email client but its perfectly6 > > happy producing sensibly formatted news responses. > 7 > Using Netscape (or anything but Outlook) inside of HPw= > is a challenge from a support and configuration standpoint.c  
 Oh yeah...(   he says using NS V3.03 on VAX VMS V6.2   from within hp.   %   (data in sig is my home address...)i   Mike   > 7 > > Alternatively if you are stuck with Exchange Serveri6 > > plus group calendaring then Ximian Evolution could: > > be a better choice it will also improve your security. >  > Not on Windows, it isn't.f >  > - Greg (using Mozilla, btw). > -- > Greg Cagle > gregc at gregcagle dot com   --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.t? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*oF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------k   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 08:20:28 -0700h9 From: "gregc at gregcagle.com" <"gregc at gregcagle.com">oY Subject: Re: Newsgroup posting conventions, was: RE: VMS Software Product  & Online  & Onc/ Message-ID: <v95q5vmflsvl48@corp.supernews.com>n   Mike Rechtman wrote: > gregc at gregcagle.com wrote:- > * >>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >> >>; >>>Use Netscape then, its an email client but its perfectlyj5 >>>happy producing sensibly formatted news responses.@ >>7 >>Using Netscape (or anything but Outlook) inside of HPh= >>is a challenge from a support and configuration standpoint.B >  >  > Oh yeah...* >   he says using NS V3.03 on VAX VMS V6.2 >   from within hp., > ' >   (data in sig is my home address...)   8 So? I didn't say it was *impossible*, just that it was a *challenge*.   -- N
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 02:16:19 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>& Subject: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V03005 Message-ID: <1030408021011.2426B-100000@Ives.egh.com>   7 It replaces APB.EXE and doesn't seem to do a WRITEBOOT.a  < I wrote a long post describing all the details and this damn> POS ported-from-unix crap Pine decided to spontaneaously abort7 and threw it all away, when I was about 1 sentence from 9 completing.  I could have recovered about half of it from 0 my DECTerm scrollback buffer, but I'm too PO'ed.  < Anyway, if you install VMS731_LAN-V0300 (and probably -V0200= also), update the bootstrap with WRITEBOOT (sys mgr's manual, 9 pages 4-19 & 4-20) before attempting to reboot.  (You cano8 also do this from the dist CD-ROM, if it comes to that.)   -- e John Santost Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 06:55:31 +0000a7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>-* Subject: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300* Message-ID: <3E927263.8090409@bigpond.com>   John Santos wrote:9 > It replaces APB.EXE and doesn't seem to do a WRITEBOOT.c > > > I wrote a long post describing all the details and this damn@ > POS ported-from-unix crap Pine decided to spontaneaously abort9 > and threw it all away, when I was about 1 sentence frome; > completing.  I could have recovered about half of it from 2 > my DECTerm scrollback buffer, but I'm too PO'ed. > > > Anyway, if you install VMS731_LAN-V0300 (and probably -V0200? > also), update the bootstrap with WRITEBOOT (sys mgr's manual,0; > pages 4-19 & 4-20) before attempting to reboot.  (You can : > also do this from the dist CD-ROM, if it comes to that.) >   B I have installed VMS731_LAN-V0200 with no problems... I have V0300" waiting but will hold off for now.   Regards, Dave.  -- >I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.comrI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/xI DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:52:37 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com* Subject: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300? Message-ID: <OF6D5BC95A.4EA4DB05-ON85256D02.004BBD5F@metso.com>p   John,o  1 I did this ECO last friday, and we rebooted fine.41 Is this problem restricted to some configuration?C  9 > It replaces APB.EXE and doesn't seem to do a WRITEBOOT.   + Can you be more specific than doesn't seem?h   -NormnB P.S.  I had done V2 also, but as part of the upgrade to V7.3-1, so> other ECO's were applied all-at-once.  I've been told that for  those who had V2 applied, quote:  8 The V0300 kit was released so that we did not expose anyG more customers to a bad kit.  For customers that have already installedoH the V0200 kit, correcting this problem simply by moving the image to theF correct directory and rebooting is perfectly acceptable.   There is no6 impact of doing this and not installing the V0300 kit.  * PROBLEMS ADDRESSED IN VMS731_LAN-V0300 KIT  C      o  Previous VMS731 LAN patch kits placed SYS$CONFIG.DAT in theiF         SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR] directory.  This is incorrect.  The image>         should be placed in the SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] directory.  0           Images Affected:[SYSEXE]SYS$CONFIG.DAT      8 From:  John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> on 04/08/2003 02:16 AM  , Please respond to John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:e  ) Subject:    Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300     7 It replaces APB.EXE and doesn't seem to do a WRITEBOOT.d  < I wrote a long post describing all the details and this damn> POS ported-from-unix crap Pine decided to spontaneaously abort7 and threw it all away, when I was about 1 sentence fromp9 completing.  I could have recovered about half of it frome0 my DECTerm scrollback buffer, but I'm too PO'ed.  < Anyway, if you install VMS731_LAN-V0300 (and probably -V0200= also), update the bootstrap with WRITEBOOT (sys mgr's manual, 9 pages 4-19 & 4-20) before attempting to reboot.  (You cant8 also do this from the dist CD-ROM, if it comes to that.)   -- John Santost Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:15:22 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>* Subject: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300+ Message-ID: <b6ulhr$ikk@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   c <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message news:OF6D5BC95A.4EA4DB05-ON85256D02.004BBD5F@metso.com...h  3 > I did this ECO last friday, and we rebooted fine.$  @ That's the trouble with boot blocks; maybe tomorrow you'll purge< APB.EXE and it will stop working. Or maybe it's only working8 because the old APB blocks haven't been overwritten yet.  ; > > It replaces APB.EXE and doesn't seem to do a WRITEBOOT.> > - > Can you be more specific than doesn't seem?_  D It's hard to tell, without rummaging around in the bootblock whetherF it really is pointing to the right place, and if not when you lost it.$ Dead easy to write a new one though.  + From the kit's PCSI_POSTINSTALL.COM though:f  7 $!    If the kit provides an APB.EXE image, set to TRUEt $!$ $           APB_provided   = "FALSE"  1 So it does seem that the problem is with the kit.s   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 08:24:49 -0700 % From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)l* Subject: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0304080724.44ce8cfa@posting.google.com>   ] John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1030408021011.2426B-100000@Ives.egh.com>...t9 > It replaces APB.EXE and doesn't seem to do a WRITEBOOT.i > > > I wrote a long post describing all the details and this damn@ > POS ported-from-unix crap Pine decided to spontaneaously abort9 > and threw it all away, when I was about 1 sentence frome; > completing.  I could have recovered about half of it fromS2 > my DECTerm scrollback buffer, but I'm too PO'ed. > > > Anyway, if you install VMS731_LAN-V0300 (and probably -V0200? > also), update the bootstrap with WRITEBOOT (sys mgr's manual,x; > pages 4-19 & 4-20) before attempting to reboot.  (You cano: > also do this from the dist CD-ROM, if it comes to that.)  * It could be uglier than what you describe.  E On one system, which has VMS731_LAN-V0200 installed, I installed justcE today VMS731_LAN-V0300. The reboot is planned for later this evening.V# In SYS$SYSTEM I have the following:i   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]o  , APB.EXE;1            17-DEC-2002 07:42:43.77, APB.EXE_OLD;2        17-DEC-2002 07:42:43.77, APB.EXE_OLD;1        18-JUL-2002 19:54:09.38   Total of 3 files.   F It seems to me, that if VMS731_LAN-V0300 does not do a WRITEBOOT, thatC the current bootblock still points to APB.EXE_OLD;2, which is stillaA present. The system will just boot fine. What's more, APB.EXE ands# APB.EXE_OLD are probably identical.h  D Trouble starts when you finally decide to do the long due cleanup of3 the system disk and you delete all *.EXE_OLD files!.   Regards,  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 09:20:05 +0200tC From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)-2 Subject: Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE- Message-ID: <3e927825$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>s  = In article <cf15391e.0304071003.552b8980@posting.google.com>,03 keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:t& |>brandon@dalsemi.com wrote in message/ |>news:<03040406461976@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>....* |>> Where would I find a VAX disassembler? |>F |>Look for DISM32.  One place to find it is Hunter Goatley's FILESERV:= |>http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?DISM32i |>  E And don't forget VEST on Alpha. The program produces VAX Macro outpute optionally.v   eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 08:44:39 -0500  From: brandon@dalsemi.como2 Subject: Re: Remote File Transfer (RFT) - TERADYNE1 Message-ID: <03040808443957@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>t  G > And don't forget VEST on Alpha. The program produces VAX Macro outputd
 > optionally.y  I I have tried VEST.  VEST stated that the code is too old (VMS V3.x).  SOLr     John Brandon VMS Systems Administratort Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkn 972.371.4003 fxs   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:22:54 +0100 (MET)o9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> " Subject: Re: Resetting error count; Message-ID: <01KUHA7FPC5UA9LL1B@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-  0 > And no it will not be backported to VAX 5.5-2.   What about VAX 7.2 or 8.0?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:18:21 +01001( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>" Subject: Re: Resetting error count) Message-ID: <3E9285CD.174EA9B4@127.0.0.1>o   Phillip Helbig wrote:t > 2 > > And no it will not be backported to VAX 5.5-2. >  > What about VAX 7.2 or 8.0?  : I've not tried [at 7.2], but what about the freeware ZDEC?   -- v? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesn nclews at csc dot coml   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:16:50 -04000 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>" Subject: Re: Resetting error count$ Message-ID: <3e92e7e0$1@news.si.com>  I >This feature has been requested many time, I thought you'll like to know2
 >about it./ >And no it will not be backported to VAX 5.5-2.s  H That's fine, but since there was no OpenVMS VAX V7.3-1, will there be an0 OpenVMS VAX V7.3-2 that contains this for VAXes? -- mI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot como5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.s@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991-8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:09:55 GMTp/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)D" Subject: Re: Resetting error count- Message-ID: <LNvA7PLotDlp@cuebid.zko.dec.com>.  2 "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> writes:> [This dialogue centers around the new, supported mechanism for clearing device error counts]s    J >>This feature has been requested many time, I thought you'll like to know >>about it.a0 >>And no it will not be backported to VAX 5.5-2. > J > That's fine, but since there was no OpenVMS VAX V7.3-1, will there be an2 > OpenVMS VAX V7.3-2 that contains this for VAXes?  C There will not be a V7.3 dashed release for OpenVMS VAX.  AccordingsI to the published roadmap, the next functional release for the VAX will beu some time next year.   --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comp   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:40:51 GMTc" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.o0 Message-ID: <00A1E122.43FDC23E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <8APR200300294806@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes: >{...}K >Actually, it is fairly intuitive if you only use Windows systems for this,e# >and are used to working with them.?  F What's intuitive is that I have this big honkin' box on the floor thatG consumes my electricity and a port on the network switch and doesn't do  a whole hell of alot more. f    J >It's Samba that is more problematic, although it is *caused* by the wholeF >SMB thing being one huge stinking mess. Not only that, it is one hugeG >stinking mess that *changes* every time Microsoft comes out with a new H >version of Windows. The SMB "design" (to use the term very loosely) is," >to put it midly, a piece of junk.  H I didn't have a single problem with SAMBA as far as I can tell.  Knowing: how to use the "intuitive" PeeCee interface was the issue.    F >You don't actually HAVE to map a drive, you can click through via theF >network neighborhood. This is also true when using Samba, but only if  H Somebody told me that this is what I had to do.  I've been dicking aboutJ with this PeeCee toy on and off for a week.  George's suggestion saved the day.  0   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            k5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:26:19 +0100l9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>d1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.e? Message-ID: <d2dcfcdf4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>e  + In message <8APR200300294806@gerg.tamu.edu>l2           carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:  & > VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes...O > }>  At this point, if you log in to the workgroup on PIECE_OF_CRAP as Squyrm oP > }>(use the same password as VMS), open Windows Explorer (not IE, the one that Q > }>replaces FileManager), select Tools->Map Network Drive from the menu bar, andgQ > }>map a drive letter to "\\A533U2\Squyrm" (assuming PofC and Samba agree about - > }>password encryption).0 > }  > }THANK YOU *10E+06!  p > } A > }Given a million f*ing years, I wouldn't have figured that out.i > } ) > }This is what they tout as *intuitive*!d > }  > }-- R > }VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > L > Actually, it is fairly intuitive if you only use Windows systems for this,$ > and are used to working with them. > K > It's Samba that is more problematic, although it is *caused* by the whole G > SMB thing being one huge stinking mess. Not only that, it is one hugepH > stinking mess that *changes* every time Microsoft comes out with a newI > version of Windows. The SMB "design" (to use the term very loosely) is, # > to put it midly, a piece of junk.e > G > You don't actually HAVE to map a drive, you can click through via thesG > network neighborhood. This is also true when using Samba, but only ifnJ > you are lucky. (And it does appear to be a matter of luck - when runningF > an older version of Samba a couple of years ago, it suddenly stoppedC > appearing in the Network Neighborhood. Nothing had changed at theaI > VMS end, and nothing unusual had happened on the Windows end (or ends -lE > it dissappeared from all of the roughly 60 PCs) either. I never did_H > figure out what had happened or manage to fix it - it came back when IJ > upgraded to a newer version of Samba a few months later. Until then, youJ > just had to know the magic paths since you could enter them into the MapH > Network Drive dialog and it would map them just fine, even though they" > didn't appear in the N.N. list.)  K I wouldn't worry about that being a SAMBA problem - it used to happen to us@E with NT 4 clients and servers as well. The Network Neighbourhood mess H depends a lot on broadcasts and it spontaneously breaks, particularly onK large busy networks. We never did get to the bottom of it, but BROWMON used.K to produce really weird data - which usually pointed us in the direction of @ exactly which business-critical server needed rebooting today...  I I did try at home to connect a laptop with NT4 to an Acorn system running4J SMBSERVER. No matter what I did I never got the Acorn system to show up in, Net. Neigh. but I could share data reliably.   I'll try it again sometime.    --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:02:22 GMTr4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.d. Message-ID: <ygDka.110494$OV.211899@rwcrnsc54>   Folks,  G Just wanted to say "thanks" to all who have participated in this threadaJ recently - I've been able to get SAMBA up and running on my hobbyist home K system (AlphaVMS V7.2, TCPware V5.6-2) using all the advice given here, as dM well as the excellent SAMBA-VMS FAQ, and the SAMBA-VMS mailing-list archives.w  A _________________________________________________________________n0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:20:59 GMTc" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work. 0 Message-ID: <00A1E15A.2A489F3C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <ygDka.110494$OV.211899@rwcrnsc54>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:e >Folks,  >eH >Just wanted to say "thanks" to all who have participated in this threadK >recently - I've been able to get SAMBA up and running on my hobbyist home  L >system (AlphaVMS V7.2, TCPware V5.6-2) using all the advice given here, as N >well as the excellent SAMBA-VMS FAQ, and the SAMBA-VMS mailing-list archives.  , Please provide the URL of the SAMBA-VMS FAQ.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM,            c5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" "   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:17:52 -0400A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>a8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ..., Message-ID: <3e930441_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>d7 wrote in message news:3E91646C.50502@nospamn.sun.com...c >i >a > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:L > > The *real* story here is potential for the impending death of Sparc.  If SuniF > > embraces Opteron, why would they continue to throw money at Sparc? > >n >-) > How did you manage to work this out ???e >n  A Hmmm.  Sparc sucks.  Supposedly Opteron won't.  Both are 64-bits.o  J Sun doesn't have to waste their money dumping it down the Sparc money pit.K After that, why continue to support Sparc?  Oh sure, you spin one more chipeG for old times sake (provided it isn't too radically broken by trying toeG figure out all those new-fangled things everyone else has been doing in J chips for years), and then you quietly start calling Opteron "SPARC X" ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:23:02 +0100I' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy ' Subject: Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMSe. Message-ID: <3E92A306.2020402@nospamn.sun.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote:G > I may be blazing a VMS trail here, but it's possible someone else has0 > gone before me.o > G > We're putting up twin STK L700E libraries via a FCSF SAN. STK insistsvI > that the tape drives can be connected to SAN via their SCSI/FC switchesn > without using an HSG.Y >    Why ?r  A The L700e supports 9940A and 9940B drives both of which are FC-ALh' drives. The LTO drives also support FC.   ? You need FCP 2 recovery support at the host level which OpenVMSaA should have and if you are indending to use a switched fabric youL7 need a switch that will run in switch translation mode.f  > If none of the OpenVMS FC adaptors support FCP 2 recovery then? you will have a problem and SCSI would then be the safe option.e   Regardsi Andrew Harrisono   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:39:18 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>& Subject: Re: TCPIP XDM service problem) Message-ID: <3E92A6D6.D7C611F3@127.0.0.1>    Robert Trawinski wrote:o > F > I have problem with XDM service on VMS. Our client bought new serverG > (cluster with two DS25 machines). This allows to replace AlphaStationlH > with PC based X terminal (eXcursion). We've configured and started XDM5 > service on both nodes in cluster. The problems are:n > F > 1. When Xserver works with XDM protocol in broadcast mode we can seeF > only one node from cluster on list of machines accepting XDM access. > B > 2. When few Xterminal are logged, exiting session on one of themE > immidietly restarts sessions on others (sessions disapear and logint > window appear).e > $ > We use OpenVMS 7.3-1, TCPIP v.5.3. > $ > Thanks in advance for your support  : Have you created XACCESS.TXT in SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$XDM] ?   (there is a *.TEMPLATE file)  B I don't know if it can go in SYS$COMMON as I've not configured any> clusters with XDM. Perhaps your cluster alias should be in the
 broadcast...?,   -- n? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Scienceso nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 12:14:01 +0200u7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>t" Subject: TCPIP XDM service problem/ Message-ID: <b6u7dd$sv6$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>    Hello,  E I have problem with XDM service on VMS. Our client bought new server eF (cluster with two DS25 machines). This allows to replace AlphaStation G with PC based X terminal (eXcursion). We've configured and started XDM -3 service on both nodes in cluster. The problems are:l  E 1. When Xserver works with XDM protocol in broadcast mode we can see cD only one node from cluster on list of machines accepting XDM access.  A 2. When few Xterminal are logged, exiting session on one of them  D immidietly restarts sessions on others (sessions disapear and login  window appear).o  " We use OpenVMS 7.3-1, TCPIP v.5.3.  " Thanks in advance for your support   Robert   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:05:38 +0200, From: "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net>& Subject: Re: TCPIP XDM service problem5 Message-ID: <b6uduj$8sgon$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>.  J "Robert Trawinski" <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag) news:b6u7dd$sv6$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl...fB > 2. When few Xterminal are logged, exiting session on one of themE > immidietly restarts sessions on others (sessions disapear and login  > window appear).    Make a service call ! B I had exactly that with TCPIP 5.1 and got a patched TCPIP$XDM.EXE.' Wondering, that it is not fixed in 5.3.k   -- Regards, Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:09:48 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>& Subject: Re: TCPIP XDM service problem+ Message-ID: <b6uhmt$o82@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   7 "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net> wrote in messaget/ news:b6uduj$8sgon$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de...d >bD > > 2. When few Xterminal are logged, exiting session on one of themG > > immidietly restarts sessions on others (sessions disapear and login  > > window appear).i >c > Make a service call !cD > I had exactly that with TCPIP 5.1 and got a patched TCPIP$XDM.EXE.) > Wondering, that it is not fixed in 5.3.o  B It matches a problem that was fixed in ECO 1. As HP/Compaq tend toI backport their patches, it's not surprising that there are patches for an2@ older version that haven't made it into the newest base release.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 08:13:06 -0700. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differencesF Message-ID: <OFC8E9212E.5CB2D9C8-ON07256D02.0052972D@rsc.raytheon.com>   >David D Miller wrote: >>	 >> Folks:b >> >> Is there an HP document thats >>F >> 1. Lists the differences between DCL commands on VAX/VMS 7.3 versus >> Alpha/VMS 7.3-1?) >>I >> 2. Lists which layered products are available for one architecture but5 not0
 >> the other?l >>C >> Or perhaps someone has composed such a list that I could borrow?0   David J. Dachtera replied ...o  B >I've nothing formal, but AFAIK, the docset still identifies thoseG >features that are architecture-specific. HELP does a lot of that also,g5 >but it seems less reliable than the docset for that.t   >Dunno if that helps...   K Well, that's a source at least.  Rather a laborious task to search the docse however.  Has anyone done this?p  K I like to add a summary of the differences between the two VMSs in BaldwinswB 2nd edition - but I don't have a whole lot of time to do research.* Differences off the top of my head are ...  "    SHOW MEMORY due to architecture    ODS-5 only on Alpha@    SDA has different interface and commands due to VMS structure5    @AUTOGEN/SYSGEN/SYSMAN PARAM due to VMS structure.6  9 Others?  Please send me a list and I'll make a composite.L   dave.u   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:31:31 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences? Message-ID: <OF31100ABB.DF375898-ON85256D02.0054FE12@metso.com>   A Well, "@autogen" is not exactly DCL, although it certainly is DCL- underneath, but,6 doesn't it have the same interface to call it (as does sys$system:shutdown), althoughF of course the parameters it modifies may not be the same in all cases.  I Can you seach the DCL dictionary online for the notation about VAX and or? Alpha?  ? ..and is there anything that references GALAXY or FibreChannel?e      F From:  "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> on 04/08/2003 11:13 AM  : Please respond to "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:r  ) Subject:    Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences8     >David D Miller wrote: >>	 >> Folks:n >> >> Is there an HP document thatr >>F >> 1. Lists the differences between DCL commands on VAX/VMS 7.3 versus >> Alpha/VMS 7.3-1?e >>I >> 2. Lists which layered products are available for one architecture butn note
 >> the other?s >>C >> Or perhaps someone has composed such a list that I could borrow?p   David J. Dachtera replied ...e  B >I've nothing formal, but AFAIK, the docset still identifies thoseG >features that are architecture-specific. HELP does a lot of that also, 5 >but it seems less reliable than the docset for that.E   >Dunno if that helps...e  K Well, that's a source at least.  Rather a laborious task to search the docss however.  Has anyone done this?   K I like to add a summary of the differences between the two VMSs in BaldwinsxB 2nd edition - but I don't have a whole lot of time to do research.* Differences off the top of my head are ...  "    SHOW MEMORY due to architecture    ODS-5 only on Alpha@    SDA has different interface and commands due to VMS structure5    @AUTOGEN/SYSGEN/SYSMAN PARAM due to VMS structure.N  9 Others?  Please send me a list and I'll make a composite.A   dave.P   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 03:38:08 -0300y0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: X-windows server logging / Message-ID: <3E926E37.9836840D@vl.videotron.ca>e  P I've had the opportunity to remotely start a window to appear on my workstation.  G With the DECWINDOWS security set to allow TCPIP * *, I had no problems.fE If I block access, it also blocks access and I get a message such as:G    : 8-APR-2003 03:04:44.1 Invalid access from transport: TCPIPB                                                 node: 123.45.67.897                                                 user: ?-  2 In the SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG  H However, for a succesful connection and window opening, there is nothing1 logged, just a message when the window is closed.    Various questions:  N 1- Is there a logical name or other thing to do to get decwindows (VAX) to logJ even the succesful window openings including the ip address and username ?L (where is or should that logical be defined, and must one restart decwindows for this to take effect ?)  K 2- Is there a logical name to get the decwindows server to write the actual  username instead of "?"s  L 3- When entering the various hosts from whcih the server accepts connectionsN to pop windows on my screen, is there a difference between a domain name andanN ip address ? I had it work for a while with a domain name and actual username,J but then, the domain name stopped working and I got it to work with the IP address (strange !).  J 4- How much bandwidth does xwindows actually consume  ? For instance, in aG DECwindows TPU window, while entering text, would this have significantp? overhead compared to a telnet session with character cell TPU ?e   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:08:00 +0100 (MET)D9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i% Subject: Re: X-windows server logging.; Message-ID: <01KUHBKVXFPOAH3CVK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  B > 3- When entering the various hosts from whcih the server acceptsJ > connections to pop windows on my screen, is there a difference between aH > domain name andan ip address ? I had it work for a while with a domainI > name and actual username, but then, the domain name stopped working andt4 > I got it to work with the IP address (strange !).   0 This could be a temporary DNS problem somewhere!  8 > 4- How much bandwidth does xwindows actually consume?    Quite a bit, I think!p  F > For instance, in a DECwindows TPU window, while entering text, wouldB > this have significant overhead compared to a telnet session with > character cell TPU?   F Normally, when I locally open a DECterm and telnet somewhere, I don't I notice any sluggishness, even over just an ISDN connection.  If I open a  G window from a remote machine, even over a DSL connection I notice that h2 things are sometimes slow enough that I notice it.  A TCPIP SHOW DEVICE should show you the device associated with the s7 connection.  Do a SHOW DEVICE/FULL on the device and a bG SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUNTING on the process which owns it to get an idea of r the IO consumed.  F The obvious question is, why?  If you have VMS at both ends, it makes < much more sense to open the window locally and then connect.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:58:29 +0200+ From: "Docter" <docter-nospam-@nosport.com>n7 Subject: Re: [very OT] Re: Elvis has left the building!r( Message-ID: <3e9282d0_2@news.bluewin.ch>  I "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondaleakirk@worldnet.att.net> schrieb im Newsbeitragu/ news:b6sn2e$8ni03$1@ID-181658.news.dfncis.de...  > So let's get the tally here. >sG > You showed up on March 21. You've posted to .history 7 times, and all F > but three were cross-posts. You've posted to .station once, and thatG > was a cross-post. Finally, you've posted to .shuttle 7 times, and alliG > but 2 were cross-posts. All of the posts are in the war threads. Most( > of the posts are abusive.  >lE > So what's your point, bud? Do you think those scrambled headers aren- > going to stop an abuse report? Think again.s hello,9 first a few facts (you can check this: no-X-archive: no):*- -I did never start one of this OT-war threads*2 -I participated in some of the OT-war threads, yes' -I responded to some crosspostings, yescH -I did made abusive posts? No, but I responded to some racism (or war is* great, art ..) posts in a proper way, yes.  A Why I don't use my real name? Just have a look to the post above.g  K And believe it or not, the reason to participate in this NG was my interests( in space science and also space history.K But after lurking here for quite some time, I have to say that there is tooe+ much noise in this NG and not much content.w  K BTW I don't care much about OT threads as long as people show at least some L degree of respect to each other. Posting the adresses of people not agreeingC with this war (or whatever) is just very bad style (this is abuse).s  K I was aware that this post came from a troll and not from the person stateduG in the header (I forgot to cut his email though). I don't think that my ( response was abuse of the usenet at all.  I You obviously rather feel the need to defend the trolls and to attack the-@ people complaining about the trolls. Well, I can live with that.  H Anyway I stop wasting my time with this NG here. No need to killfile me.4 I won't miss you, and (of course) you won't miss me.   have a good life Docter   > rl >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.194 ************************