1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 195       Contents:3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) 3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) + Re: Announcing HP Availability Manager V2.3 7 Apache %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on RIGHTSLIST.DAT after upgrade & Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& RE: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX; Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug ; Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug ; Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug " Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon?" Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon?" Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon?" Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon?" Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon?" Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon?  Re: Elvis has left the building!# ES40 - convert tower to rack mount?  Re: ES47  with OpenVMS 7.3-1 RE: ES47  with OpenVMS 7.3-1P Forget Unix, go to Linux!!  was ( New Training Class -  OpenVMS  Performance Man Re: HSZ40 woes Re: HSZ40 woes Re: HSZ40 woes Re: in need for vms 5.5-2  Re: in need for vms 5.5-2  Re: in need for vms 5.5-2  Re: LUV VMS  Re: LUV VMS  MBMAN V3.3-313 on OpenVMS V7.3 Re: Montagar problems?5 Re: Msg to OpenVMS Engineering regarding PerfectCache ? Re: New Training Class -  OpenVMS  Performance Management Class ? Re: New Training Class -  OpenVMS  Performance Management Class $ Perl available as a layered product?( Re: Perl available as a layered product?( Re: Perl available as a layered product?( Re: Perl available as a layered product?( Re: Perl available as a layered product?( Re: Perl available as a layered product?( Re: Perl available as a layered product?( Re: Perl available as a layered product?( Re: Perl available as a layered product?7 Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /page  Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP Re: Resetting error count ( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work./ Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...  Re: TZ30's and Alpha's?  unix screen command  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Your opinion requested Re: Your opinion requested Re: Your opinion requested Re: Your opinion requested  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:58:39 -0400! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> < Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BE6@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   " John Smith [a@nonymous.com] wrote: > 6 >"Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message1 >news:b5t143$2cj67k$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de... 9 >> In article <CFEFEOM437706.555150463@anonymous.poster>, : >> Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> writes: >> >? >> >> I don't think we'll honor a PO for FUD from someone named  >Anonymous.  >> > >> > Be an ass.  >>D >> Fred isn't the one being an ass.  Fred puts his name on his posts >> and stands by what he says. >>  >> >             Doesn't matter. >>A >> Actually, it does.  Anyone who is not even willing to identify  >himself' >> with his comments has 0 credibility.  >  >  >What about "Deep Throat"? >   ! Woodward might have made him up--    F Before he worked at the Post, Woodward served in the Navy- first as a H communications officer (and those guys have to have some of the highest D clearances) and later was a liaison between the White House and the < Pentagon and a briefer for (guess who)- Gen. Alexander Haig.  > Old relationships die hard, and lines of communication linger.   ========================  William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annex , 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874  > 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:09:59 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> < Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)( Message-ID: <3E931077.2030203@rdrop.com>  
 VAXVMS wrote:  >>What about "Deep Throat"?  > # > Woodward might have made him up--  >   H > Before he worked at the Post, Woodward served in the Navy- first as a J > communications officer (and those guys have to have some of the highest F > clearances) and later was a liaison between the White House and the > > Pentagon and a briefer for (guess who)- Gen. Alexander Haig. > @ > Old relationships die hard, and lines of communication linger.  D Absolutely *no* relationship between _that_ Woodward and _this_ one.   --  
 Dean Woodward  deanw!rdrop,com    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 16:57:34 -0700 , From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow)4 Subject: Re: Announcing HP Availability Manager V2.3= Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0304081557.3b9dd726@posting.google.com>   \ "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> wrote in message news:<3e92e6be$1@news.si.com>... ... $ > I used Lynx on VMS to download it.  Q Okay, so I go to Hunter Goatley's web page which directs me to Process Software's - http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html ' and there is no LYNX there to download.  Where is it available?  F Else, I would like HP to put the download on its FTP server along with CHECKSUMs etc.   Jim Strehlow, Data911  Alameda, CA, USA   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:01:00 -0400+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> @ Subject: Apache %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on RIGHTSLIST.DAT after upgrade, Message-ID: <3e932bb5_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message% news:<TaAWspbGiggl@elias.decus.ch>... = > In article <3e8b35f9$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Rick Barry"   <barry@star.zko.dec.com> writes:	 > > Paul,  > > L > > If you could define the logical name apache$config_verbose to 'true' andL > > re-run the startup procedure, it should point us to where the startup is > > failing. > ! > Thanks for picking this one up.  > H > The startup doesn't fail, but it does put the following message in theL > audit file, for each Apache process (repeat for APACHE$00000, APACHE$00001E > etc). Please note that this is RIGHTSLIST.DAT, not one of the files 	 belonging  > to Apache. > I > Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on DINA, system  id:  > 55418 ) > Auditable event:          Object access 3 > Event time:                6-APR-2003 08:40:24.39 $ > PID:                      20C00EE1% > Process name:             APACHE$00 & > Username:                 APACHE$WWW1 > Process owner:            [AP_HTTPD,APACHE$WWW] 
 > Image name: B > $1$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.APACHE.][000000]APACHE_HTTPD.EXE_ALPHA;1  > Object class name:        FILEH > Object name:              _$1$DKA0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]RIGHTSLIST.DAT;1$ > Object owner:             [SYSTEM]D > Object protection:        SYSTEM:RWED, OWNER:RWED, GROUP:R, WORLD:  > Access requested:         READG > Status:                   %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or  object0 >                           protection violation ...   L You will see this alarm generated if you are you using mod_auth_openvms withI a 'require group' directive that specifies a rights identifier having the G NAME_HIDDEN attribute. mod_auth_openvms calls $ASCTOID to translate the H identifier by name. If the identifier has the NAME_HIDDEN attribute, theK caller must have read access to the rights database (or hold the identifier A itself) otherwise $ASCTOID generates a file access failure audit.   " Does this describe your situation?  
 Rick Barry" Secure Web Server Development Team OpenVMS Systems Software Group Hewlett Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 12:50:29 -0500 * From: Patrick Spinler <pspinler@yahoo.com>/ Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX ( Message-ID: <3E930BE5.2050907@yahoo.com>  I Yes, there does exist code to do this on Unix (see information on 'clock  - skew' in the NTP documentation, for instance)   I That being said, for your example (daylight savings time change) skewing  $ the clock on Unix(s) is unnecessary.  @ Unix(s) store the clock internally in GMT or Universal time and D translate it on output to the local timezone.  The translation code D takes care of the necessary daylight savings adjustments, and since F internal times are in a format that does not suffer from the need for E large adjustments you need not worry about problems like overlapping   file or database timestamps.  E In short, daylight savings time stuff is one of the things Unix does  G right.  (Given the readership of this group, I should probably say one   of the _few_ things ... :-) )    -- Pat   brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:L > I have MACRO code that allows me to speed-up or slow-down the internal VMS. > clock one-hour over five-hours (adjustable). > K > On the Alpha the registers are G^EXE$GL_TIMEADJUST & G^EXE$GL_TICKLENGTH.  >  > L > Does anyone know of a similiar method that could be used for UNIX servers? >  >  > John Brandon > VMS Systems Administrator  > Dallas Semiconductor > john.brandon@dalsemi.com > 972.371.4172 wk  > 972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:17:32 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> / Subject: RE: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEGBGPAA.tom@kednos.com>   @ Don't most sites run NTP on at least one of their VMS platforms?H If so, then all that is needed is to symchronize the rest of the clusterF in some fashion.  Of course, if the cluster is distributed across more than one time zone, then ...   >-----Original Message----- 2 >From: Patrick Spinler [mailto:pspinler@yahoo.com]' >Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:50 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 >Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX >  > I >Yes, there does exist code to do this on Unix (see information on 'clock . >skew' in the NTP documentation, for instance) > I >That being said, for your example (daylight savings time change) skewing % >the clock on Unix(s) is unnecessary.  > @ >Unix(s) store the clock internally in GMT or Universal time andD >translate it on output to the local timezone.  The translation codeD >takes care of the necessary daylight savings adjustments, and sinceF >internal times are in a format that does not suffer from the need forE >large adjustments you need not worry about problems like overlapping  >file or database timestamps.  > E >In short, daylight savings time stuff is one of the things Unix does G >right.  (Given the readership of this group, I should probably say one  >of the _few_ things ... :-) ) >  >-- Pat  >  >brandon@dalsemi.com wrote: @ >> I have MACRO code that allows me to speed-up or slow-down the
 >internal VMS / >> clock one-hour over five-hours (adjustable).  >>L >> On the Alpha the registers are G^EXE$GL_TIMEADJUST & G^EXE$GL_TICKLENGTH. >> >>? >> Does anyone know of a similiar method that could be used for  >UNIX servers? >> >> >> John Brandon  >> VMS Systems Administrator >> Dallas Semiconductor  >> john.brandon@dalsemi.com  >> 972.371.4172 wk >> 972.371.4003 fx >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). @ >Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:39:28 -0500  From: brandon@dalsemi.com / Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX 1 Message-ID: <03040813392848@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   B > Don't most sites run NTP on at least one of their VMS platforms?J > If so, then all that is needed is to symchronize the rest of the clusterH > in some fashion.  Of course, if the cluster is distributed across more > than one time zone, then ...  J I run NTP on all our servers and have thought about using one server as anN anchor node and allow the other servers (using NTP) to be tugged by the anchorK node.  However, my thoughts are that there would be a slight (or more) time K difference between the anchor and tugged nodes.  The MACRO codes eliminates 
 this problem.   & My questions is, does UNIX allow this?   John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 19:51:58 +01009 From: "covendotartdottalk21dotcom" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> / Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX 3 Message-ID: <HDOdnbmie9jPhw6jXTWcqQ@brightview.com>   7 "Patrick Spinler" <pspinler@yahoo.com> wrote in message " news:3E930BE5.2050907@yahoo.com...J > Yes, there does exist code to do this on Unix (see information on 'clock/ > skew' in the NTP documentation, for instance)  > J > That being said, for your example (daylight savings time change) skewing& > the clock on Unix(s) is unnecessary. > A > Unix(s) store the clock internally in GMT or Universal time and E > translate it on output to the local timezone.  The translation code E > takes care of the necessary daylight savings adjustments, and since G > internal times are in a format that does not suffer from the need for F > large adjustments you need not worry about problems like overlapping > file or database timestamps. > F > In short, daylight savings time stuff is one of the things Unix doesH > right.  (Given the readership of this group, I should probably say one > of the _few_ things ... :-) )   B Hmm.  I have to mangle an acursed U*ix box, which runs applicationG software on top of S*laris, and also the U*ix (S*laris?) implementation 
 of Ingres.  H The application software has some jobs associated with it, but these areD not cron jobs, and instead, rely on some scheduling sort of facilityH provided with Ingres (on U*ix/S*laris) - I haven't seen the source code,A so I don't know this for a fact, I'm just going based on what the  application developers say.   D Not knowing a great deal about U*ix, I was pleasantly surprised that9 the system changed time recently in the GMT->BST debacle.   G However, I was somewaht less displeased when I found that the daily job # now runs at 11:00 instead of 10:00.   D The application developers have said that this is a known "feature",@ and is consistent with the way in which Ingres (on U*ix/S*laris)	 operates.   E Their solution is that I create two separate jobs, one to run "during F summertime" and "at times that are not summertime", with a 1hr offset.  D Given that whilst now most (all?) European countries change BST->GMTC and vice versa at the same time, the actual dates concerned are not F fixed (okay, so there is "currently" a "formula" for "calculating" theF dates, but this still means that I need to manually change these dates twice a year).  D Does this seem like a crock of S**t?  I never remember such problemsG at my old company, when the use of SYS$SETIMR wasn't affected by system  clock changes.  H I won't even talk about old clusters where the time is changed manually,G typically on the main node that most people use (different iron between F nodes, to "load balancing" is a non-sequitur, especially as proxies onE other boxes are hard-coded to the "main" node), and the queue manager & is on a different node in the cluster.  F See jobs repeatedly execute, creating multiple instances of themselvesB (okay, okay, not checking for existing jobs on the queue in a held state is a shooting offence...)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:25:28 -0300 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX / Message-ID: <3E931417.496BB2EE@vl.videotron.ca>    Patrick Spinler wrote: > J > Yes, there does exist code to do this on Unix (see information on 'clock/ > skew' in the NTP documentation, for instance)   J OK, so you skew the time over 5 hours to advance or lose an hour. However,@ during that 5 hour period, none of your time stamps are correct.  N From a purely pedantic point of view, isn't it better to have the applicationsL store dates/time in GMT (which doesn't change) and then have the applicationJ update its GMT offset at the same time as you move clock ahead/back ? ThisM way, records of transactions are still stored in order and still no duplicate 8 times, and you get accurate times for your transactions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:53:53 -0500  From: brandon@dalsemi.com / Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX 1 Message-ID: <03040814535308@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   P > From a purely pedantic point of view, isn't it better to have the applicationsN > store dates/time in GMT (which doesn't change) and then have the applicationL > update its GMT offset at the same time as you move clock ahead/back ? ThisO > way, records of transactions are still stored in order and still no duplicate : > times, and you get accurate times for your transactions.  M Ahhhhh... perfect world.  The software is not designed to store in GMT - that J would require major code changes.  That is why we slow or speed the clock.  M However, a point made earlier - about using NTP and one server as an anchor.  J That might work.  Have a VMS server slow/speed up the clock while the UNIX5 servers peer off that VMS server.  That is a thougth.        John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 02:56:10 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> / Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX 1 Message-ID: <3E938BA4.4E6A45E@firstdbasource.com>    brandon@dalsemi.com wrote: > R > > From a purely pedantic point of view, isn't it better to have the applicationsP > > store dates/time in GMT (which doesn't change) and then have the applicationN > > update its GMT offset at the same time as you move clock ahead/back ? ThisQ > > way, records of transactions are still stored in order and still no duplicate < > > times, and you get accurate times for your transactions. > O > Ahhhhh... perfect world.  The software is not designed to store in GMT - that L > would require major code changes.  That is why we slow or speed the clock. > N > However, a point made earlier - about using NTP and one server as an anchor.L > That might work.  Have a VMS server slow/speed up the clock while the UNIX7 > servers peer off that VMS server.  That is a thougth.  >  > John Brandon > VMS Systems Administrator  > Dallas Semiconductor > john.brandon@dalsemi.com > 972.371.4172 wk  > 972.371.4003 fx    care to share the macro?   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163 7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.com  816-373-0270 (Office)  816-728-3080 (Mobile)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 22:33:37 +0100 - From: Gerald Marsh <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk> D Subject: Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug8 Message-ID: <3nf69voef74qpqbl2i5lbm9ceo6hhm2doh@4ax.com>  @ On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:32:23 -0500, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:   > 9 >DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug.  > + >I'm just not sure exactly what the bug is.    <Major snip>  F (Sorry if I've got this wrong - I do not have an OpenVMS ssytem here.)   A few real bugs are:  2 1. Typing FRED within a command procedure (or even= A_REAL_IMPORTANT_COMMAND) will only produce a warning and the  procedure will continue;   2. Try:   $ sym1=%x77777777  $ sho sym sym1  $ sym1 = sym1 + 1  $ sho sym sym1   What happened to INTOVF?   Keep up the good work!   Gerald.    Gerald Marsh  / gerald -at- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- uk    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:41:01 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> D Subject: Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug' Message-ID: <3E9341ED.6070001@MMaz.com>    Gerald Marsh wrote:   A >On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:32:23 -0500, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  >  >    > : >>DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug. >>, >>I'm just not sure exactly what the bug is. >>     >> > 
 ><Major snip>  > G >(Sorry if I've got this wrong - I do not have an OpenVMS ssytem here.)  >  >A few real bugs are:  > 3 >1. Typing FRED within a command procedure (or even > >A_REAL_IMPORTANT_COMMAND) will only produce a warning and the >procedure will continue;  >  >2. Try: > $ sym1=%x77777777  > $ sho sym sym1 >$ sym1 = sym1 + 1 >$ sho sym sym1  >    > G You're thinking octal here, Fred, you want hex: A=%x7FFFFFFF but never  E the less, this will still not overflow and DCL has never done so and   probably never will...   Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 06:47:40 +0100 - From: Gerald Marsh <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk> D Subject: Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug8 Message-ID: <ftc79v0fdisq9vfro05i7jf75rmk45itpf@4ax.com>  ; Sorry - brain parity failure - I did indeed mean %X7FFFFFFF    Gerald.     7 On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:41:01 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr."  <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:   >Gerald Marsh wrote: > B >>On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:32:23 -0500, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >> >>   >>; >>>DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug.  >>> - >>>I'm just not sure exactly what the bug is.  >>>      >>>  >> >><Major snip> >>H >>(Sorry if I've got this wrong - I do not have an OpenVMS ssytem here.) >> >>A few real bugs are: >>4 >>1. Typing FRED within a command procedure (or even? >>A_REAL_IMPORTANT_COMMAND) will only produce a warning and the  >>procedure will continue; >>	 >>2. Try:  >> $ sym1=%x77777777 >> $ sho sym sym1  >>$ sym1 = sym1 + 1  >>$ sho sym sym1 >>   >>H >You're thinking octal here, Fred, you want hex: A=%x7FFFFFFF but never F >the less, this will still not overflow and DCL has never done so and  >probably never will...  >  >Barry   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:00:45 -0700 ( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon? , Message-ID: <3E930E4D.8020206@NelsonUSA.com>   David A. Cornelson wrote: J > "David A. Cornelson" <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> wrote in6 > message news:IbacnXyz6_yhcwyjXTWcog@speakeasy.net... > C >> Does anyone, by some miracle, have a clean copy or original they D  >> could scan and upload of the Dungeon Map printed in an old DECUSA  >> magazine?   I think this is from '79 or '80, but I'm going on   >> second-hand info here.  C > It seems it's in the November 1982 issue of The Dec Professional. C  > If anyone has this issue, is there any chance you could scan the !  > Dungeon map and pass it along?     B I have it, but it is in a box in my storage unit.   Unfortunately,A I just consolidated storage units and nothing is on shelves; it's B all in tall stacks on the floor.   I won't be able to work on thisA until at least Sunday, at the earliest.   If nobody else can turn  up a copy by then, I'll do it.   Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:30:28 -0500E From: "David A. Cornelson" <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> + Subject: Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon? 2 Message-ID: <a8mdnZHCh-QGjg6jXTWcrg@speakeasy.net>  5 "Alan Frisbie" <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote in message & news:3E930E4D.8020206@NelsonUSA.com... > David A. Cornelson wrote: L > > "David A. Cornelson" <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> wrote in8 > > message news:IbacnXyz6_yhcwyjXTWcog@speakeasy.net... > > E > >> Does anyone, by some miracle, have a clean copy or original they F >  >> could scan and upload of the Dungeon Map printed in an old DECUSC >  >> magazine?   I think this is from '79 or '80, but I'm going on  >  >> second-hand info here. > E > > It seems it's in the November 1982 issue of The Dec Professional. E >  > If anyone has this issue, is there any chance you could scan the # >  > Dungeon map and pass it along?  >  > D > I have it, but it is in a box in my storage unit.   Unfortunately,C > I just consolidated storage units and nothing is on shelves; it's D > all in tall stacks on the floor.   I won't be able to work on thisC > until at least Sunday, at the earliest.   If nobody else can turn   > up a copy by then, I'll do it. >   L Alan - thanks. I found someone that has it handy so please do not topple the stack!   Thanks everyone...   David C    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 23:01:09 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon? + Message-ID: <b6vkbl0ctj@enews1.newsguy.com>   V In comp.org.decus David A. Cornelson <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> wrote:N > Alan - thanks. I found someone that has it handy so please do not topple the > stack!  - And you'll be making it available, right? :^)    		Zane   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:08:28 -0500E From: "David A. Cornelson" <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> + Subject: Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon? 2 Message-ID: <qN6cnRK6KKxt4w6jXTWcpA@speakeasy.net>  = "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote in message % news:b6vkbl0ctj@enews1.newsguy.com... L > In comp.org.decus David A. Cornelson <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> wrote: L > > Alan - thanks. I found someone that has it handy so please do not topple the 
 > > stack! > / > And you'll be making it available, right? :^)   I Actually, my plan is to build a full-color poster of the Dungeon map, but E I'll also post a smaller PDF version. I will post that info here when  they're ready.  J I have to admit, this newsgroup has brought back enormous memories from myJ past. I'm 39 and was first introduced to computers in the Milwaukee PublicG School system, which had a PDP 11/70 at its headquarters and maintained G paper terminals to dial in from many of the high schools. I went to the L computer magnet school and learned COBOL and Basic which led to jobs writing5 code on PDP's, VAX's and then Microsoft technologies.   G But the passion for PDP's and VAX's that clearly still exists is pretty  amazing to me.   Why is this true?    David C    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 02:31:25 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon? , Message-ID: <b700lt02k5e@enews3.newsguy.com>  V In comp.org.decus David A. Cornelson <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> wrote:I > But the passion for PDP's and VAX's that clearly still exists is pretty  > amazing to me.   > Why is this true?   L Excellent Hardware and Software that's well documented, can be modified, andG is still widely used in various businesses.  Plus it's fairly easy for  1 hobbyists to get.  I think that about sums it up.    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:03:15 -0300 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon? / Message-ID: <3E938D6C.5EF92503@vl.videotron.ca>    "David A. Cornelson" wrote: L > I have to admit, this newsgroup has brought back enormous memories from my > past.   
 Memories ?  A Remember how much fun you had upgrading your systems to VMS V5.0?  Well, you had it easy......   %                         THE VAXORCIST %                         -------------   2              A rough draft of a video presentation+                      by Christopher Russell 9        Operations Manager, Dept of Mechanical Engineering +                      University of Maryland   I -------------------------------------------------------------------------   E (SCENE: Inside of a VAX computer room.  CREDITS ROLL as the SYSMGR is H sitting in front of the console terminal, typing.  He pauses, picks up aJ small magnetic tape, walks over to a tape drive, mounts it, and returns to' the console where he continues typing.)   F (There is a knock at the door.  SYSMGR walks to the door and opens it, revealing USER.)  + USER:  Any idea when the system will be up?   G SYSMGR:  Well, I just installed version 5.0 of VMS, so I'm going to run I some diagnostics on it overnight to make sure it works alright.  Assuming E everything goes alright, the system should be up first thing tomorrow  morning.   USER:  Great.  Thanks.  (Exits)   4 (SYSMGR closes the door and returns to the console.)  J ROD SERLING-LIKE VOICE:  This is John Smith, University of Maryland SystemI Manager.  In an effort to make his system the best it can be, he has just I installed VMS Version 5.0 onto his VAX.  But little does he know that the I Version 5 documentation kit from Digital includes a one-way ticket to ...  the VMS TWILIGHT ZONE!   (ominous music - fade out)J (Fade in.  The SYSMGR scans the console for a moment, then turns, picks upK his coat and walks to the door.  He stops at the door for a moment, looking D back at the big machine.  Finally, he turns out the light and exits, closing the door behind him.)   H (Cut to the Console Terminal.  We read the following as it is printed on the console terminal:)   VMS V5.0 DIAGNOSTICS --   ! DIAGNOSTICS - PHASE 1 STARTING...   , DIAGNOSTICS - PHASE 1 FINISHED SUCCESSFULLY.  ! DIAGNOSTICS - PHASE 2 STARTING...     TESTING MICROCODE ... SUCCESSFUL   TESTING DECNET ...  SUCCESSFUL  1 TESTING LICENSE MANAGEMENT UTILITY ... SUCCESSFUL   & TESTING SYSTEM SERVICES ... SUCCESSFUL  F TESTING HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL AND COMPLETELY UNDOCUMENTED AI ROUTINE ...  I (Cut to view of the Tape in the Tape drive.  The tape spins for a moment,  and suddenly stops.)    F (Cut to view of the Machine Room.  A fog has begun drifting across theG floor, and the hardware is slowly being backlit by a pulsing red light. H A peal of weird laughter cuts through the silence.  A variety of bizarreD things occur:  A VT100 monitor sitting on a table slowly rotates 360F degrees; the tape drive opens and tape begins spewing out of it; slimeH begins pouring out of a disk drive; the line printer begins form-feedingG like mad.  These continue for several minutes, or for as long as we can  keep them up.  FADE OUT)  J (SCENE: Hallway outside of the computer room.  SYSMGR walks up to the door and is met by USER.)  " USER:  System going to be up soon?  G SYSMGR:  (as he speaks, he tries to open the Machine room door, but the G door is apparently stuck.) The diagnostics should be done by now, so we I should be up in about 15 minutes... (he succeeds in opening the door, but F is confronted by floor to ceiling magnetic tape.  Tangled at about eyeJ level is an empty tape reel. SYSMGR takes the reel and looks at it.  CLOSEB UP of the reel so we can read the label, which reads: VAX/VMS V5.09 DIAGNOSTIC KIT.) (to USER) ...give or take a few days....   J (SCENE:  View of TSR (Telephone Support Rep) from behind as she is sittingF in a cubicle, a terminal in front of her.  Beside her on the wall is aH poster which reads "Digital Has It Now - But You Can't Have It".  We canJ see the terminal, but we should not be able to read what is on it.  She is wearing a headset.)   E TSR:  Colorado Customer Support.  What is your access number, please?    SYSMGR VOICE: 31576    TSR:  And your name?   SYSMGR VOICE:  John Smith.  J (Cut to SYSMGR standing beside his console.  He his holding a phone to hisH head with his right hand, and holding a printout in his left which he is& perusing while he talks on the phone.)  4 TSR VOICE:  And what operating system are you using?   SYSMGR:  VMS version 5.   H TSR VOICE:  And is this a problem with the operating system or a layered product?    F (As the SYSMGR looks up from the printout, his eyes suddenly widen andF he drops the printout and ducks.  At that second, a disk platter fliesF through the air where his head just was.  Slowly, SYSMGR stands up andI looks to where the disk went.  PAN BACK to reveal a stack of boxes with ae- disk embedded in one of them at neck height.)a  M SYSMGR:  (into the phone) Operating System.  Definitely the Operating System.e  & (Cut back to TSR sitting at her desk.)  + TSR:  Can you describe the problem, please?h  0 (SYSMGR voice can now only be heard as mumbling)  J TSR:  Yes... Tape drive spewing tape into the air... yes...  Line printersF printing backwards... yes... miscellaneous hardware flying through theK air... uh huh...  disk drives melting... yeah... strange voices coming from K the CPU board... I see... yes.  Is that all?  (pause as she finishes typingsH at the terminal)  Well, I'm afraid that that team is busy at the moment,  can I have them get back to you?  E (CUT TO SCENE: MANAGER sitting behind a large desk in a plush office.p< DEVELOPER is pacing in front of him, hands behind his back.)  # (SUBTITLE: Meanwhile at Maynard...)w  / MANAGER:  So tell me!  What the hell happened?!E  J DEVELOPER:  (turning to face MANAGER)  It's a glitch, a fluke.  A one in a? billion chance.  And it's not Development's fault.  Not really.e  ! MANAGER:  Then who's fault is it?-  F DEVELOPER:  We traced it back to the Software Distribution Center.  ItI seems that there was a mixup and some of the code for the experimental AIsJ routine was copied onto the distribution from the wrong optical disk.  (He7 removes a CD from his jacket)  This one, to be precise.C   MANAGER:  And what's that?  A DEVELOPER:  (reading the label)  "Ozzy Osbourne's Greatest Hits".lG Normally, it wouldn't have made any difference, as the AI routine isn't J used yet.  But when they began running diagnostics, it hit the routine and3 the computer just sort of became a thing possessed.l  < MANAGER:  Wonderful.  Were any other distributions affected?  2 DEVELOPER:  No, just the University of Maryland's.  E MANAGER:  Well, that's a relief.  We've got to get them taken care ofUF before anyone finds out.  Can you imagine what Digital Review would do if they heard about this?     A DEVELOPER:  We could always blame it on the Chaos Computer Group.B  J MANAGER:  No, we've already used that one.  This calls for drastic action.D (MANAGER picks up the phone and begins flipping through the rolodex)  & DEVELOPER:  Who are you going to send?  I (CUT to the Rolodex so that we can read the cards.  The first card reads:   -         SYSTEM PROBLEMS - Ron Jankowski, x474    he flips to the next card:  0         BAD SYSTEM PROBLEMS - Bob Candless, x937   he flips to the next card:  :         REALLY BAD SYSTEM PROBLEMS - Michelle French, x365   he flips to the next cardt  :         OUTRAGEOUSLY BAD SYSTEM PROBLEMS - Mike West, x887  < he flips to the next card and taps the card with forefinger:  E         SYSTEM %%%%ED UP BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION - The VAXorcist, x6660    @ (CUT to Machine Room.  SYSMGR is standing by the console holdingJ an RA60 disk cover and using it as a shield to defend himself from variousE pieces of hardware which are flying at him from off-camera.  There is H a knock at the door.  Slowly, SYSMGR makes his way to the door and opensD it.  Standing there, backlit amidst outrageous amounts of fog is theG VAXORCIST, wearing a trench coat and fedora, and carrying a briefcase.)1  H VAXORCIST:  (in a hushed voice)  DEC sent me.  I hear you're having some	 problems.o  F (CUT to SYSMGR OFFICE, a small but pleasant office with posters on theG walls and clutter on the desk.  As the VAXORCIST enters, he removes his>J coat and hat, revealing a very techie outfit beneath.  He is wearing a DEC badge.)n  I SYSMGR:  (Frantic)  Problems?  Problems?!?  You could say I'm having someWJ problems.  4.6 was fine.  4.7 was fine.  I install 5.0 and all Hell breaks< loose.  The damn thing ate two of my operators this morning!  C VAXORCIST:  Calm down, everything will be alright.  I've dealt withi situations like this before.   SYSMGR:  You have?    E VAXORCIST:  Four years ago at an installation in Oregon, a programmeraF renamed his Star Trek program to VMB.EXE and copied it into the systemE directory.  When the system was rebooted the next day it phasored thenJ entire accounting department claiming that they were Klingon spies.  ThereJ was a similar problem in Texas three years ago, and then, of course, thereJ was the IRS fiasco that we're not allowed to talk about.  But don't worry.H These things can be fixed.  Before I can help you, though, I have to askE you a few questions. (The VAXorcist opens his briefcase and removes aAK clipboard) Now, according to the report, the strange occurences began afterm- you installed VMS Version 5, is that correct?o   SYSMGR:  Yes, that's correct.a  F VAXORCIST:  Now, did you carefully read the Installation Guide for VMS
 Version 5?  ' SYSMGR:  (confused) Installation Guide?h  < VAXORCIST:  Yes, it should have come with the Release Notes.  H SYSMGR:  (still confused) Release Notes? (SYSMGR begins rooting about onE his disk, shifting papers around as if he might find them underneath)d  J VAXORCIST:  (annoyed) Yes, Release Notes.  They should have come with your documentation upgrade.  E SYSMGR:  (completely confused - looks up from his rooting through the * papers on his desk) Documentation upgrade?  @ VAXORCIST:  (angry) YES!  The Documentation upgrade for your VMS Documentation Set!  J SYSMGR:  Documentation S...?  Oh, you mean the grey binders?  They're overH there. (he points to the wall behind the VAXORCIST.  The VAXORCIST turnsK and we see a closed glass-front bookcase packed with grey binders.  A smallsI red sign on the front of the bookcase reads: "IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, BREAKr GLASS").  I VAXORCIST:  Right.  This is going to be tougher than I thought.  Let's go > take a look at your system and see just how bad everything is.  I (CUT to the Machine Room.  The room is neat and tidy and there is no signrF that anything is wrong.  The VAXORCIST enters the room with the SYSMGR behind him.)  ( VAXORCIST:  Everything looks okay to me.    SYSMGR:  Maybe it's hibernating.  I VAXORCIST:  Unlikely.  It's probably trying to lure us into a false senses of security.  E SYSMGR:  Sounds like VMS alright.  (VAXORCIST gives him a dirty look)k  K VAXORCIST:  I'm going to have to test it's power.  This could get ugly, youaI may want to leave.  (The SYSMGR shakes his head no.  The VAXORCIST bringsoG hiself up to full height in front of the VAX and points a finger at it)iE By the power of DEC, I expel thee from this system! (Clap of thunder)o  H (CUT to door to the machine room.  The SYSMGR is pulling a cart on which= sits the VAXORCIST wrapped from head to toe in magnetic tape)T    SYSMGR:  Any other bright ideas?  ; VAXORCIST:  Just shut up and get this damn stuff off of me.u   (CUT to SYSMGRs office)N  H VAXORCIST:  (Writing on the clipboard)  Things look pretty bad.  I think0 we're going to need a full-scale VAXorcism here.  , SYSMGR:  Is there anything I can do to help?  I VAXORCIST:  As a matter of fact, there is.  We've got to incapacitate thesH VAX to keep it from causing any more damage until I'm ready to deal withK it.  Now, I've got some software here that will do that, but it's got to be G installed.  (VAXORCIST hands SYSMGR a tape)  With that running, the CPUI> will be so bogged down, the VAX won't be able to harm anybody.  K SYSMGR:  (Examining the tape) What is it?  A program to calculate pi to the  last digit?t  I VAXORCIST:  Better than that.  It starts up All-in-1 with a 10 user load.   J (CUT to Hall outside of Computer Room.  The VAXORCIST approaches the door.@ As the SYSMGR approaches the door, the VAXORCIST holds him back.  J VAXORCIST:  I appreciate your help, but it won't be safe for you in there.  G SYSMGR:  What?  You're going in there to face that thing alone?  You're  nuts!f  < VAXORCIST:  Hey, it's my job.  (VAXORCIST turns to the door)  G SYSMGR:  Wait a minute.  (VAXORCIST stops and turns around)  You bettertH take this with you.  (SYSMGR removes a very large and very nasty looking" gun from the inside of his jacket)  F VAXORCIST:  (Smiling)  No, I won't need that.  I've got something moreK powerful.  (VAXORCIST holds up a small guide-sized orange binder, opens it,,K and shows it to SYSMGR.  CUT to closeup of the book which reads:  "GUIDE TOj VAX/VMS SYSTEM EXORCISM")f  K (CUT to view of Machine room door as seen by the VAX.  The VAXORCIST entersxI the room and stands in front of the VAX.  CUT to view of the Machine Roomd' showing the SYSMGR confronting the VAX)g  E VAXORCIST:  By the power of DEC, I command thee, Evil Spirit, to showc thyself.   VAX:  Bugger off.    VAXORCIST:  (Shaken)  What?l  I VAX:  I said Bugger off!  Now get out of here before I core-dump all overe you!  H VAXORCIST:  (Recovered)  Threaten me not, oh Evil one!  For I speak with5 the power of DEC, and I command thee to show thyself!n  H (A rumble is heard and again the VAX becomes backlit by red lights and aH fog begins to roll across the floor.  The VAX cabinet doors slowly creakJ open to reveal two small red lights in the dark cabinet which appear to be the creature's eyes)  G VAX:  There.  Happy?  Now get out of here before I drop a tape drive on  your private parts.r  J VAXORCIST:  (Opening the orange binder, he begins intoning SHUTDOWN.COM in# gregorian chant.  The VAX screams.)s  J VAX:  Stop that!  Stop that!  You, you DOS LOVER!  Your mother manages RSX systems in Hell!  4 (The VAXORCIST continues and the VAX screams again.)  I VAX:  Stop it!  (a large wad of computer tape is thrown at the VAXORCIST,t8 apparently from the VAX).  Eat oxide, bit-bucket breath!  8 (The VAXORCIST continues and the VAX screams once more.)   VAX:  Mount me!  Mount me!  F VAXORCIST:  (finishing the intonation) And now, by the power of DEC, II banish thee back to the null-space from which you came!  (The VAX screamsG! and the scream fades to silence.)t  D (CUT to the doorway of the Machine room, which now stands open.  The< VAXORCIST is once again wearing his trench coat and fedora.)   SYSMGR:  So it's over?  / VAXORCIST: (Putting his hat on) Yes, it's over.t  K SYSMGR:  (Shaking the VAXORCISTs hand) Thank God.  Listen, thanks a lot.  Il/ don't know what we would have done without you.   G VAXORCIST:  Hey, it's the least we could do.  The Software Distribution G Center should be sending you a patch tape in a week or two to patch out(G that AI routine and prevent this from happening again.  Sign here.  (he)I hands SYSMGR the clipboard, SYSMGR signs at the bottom and hands it back)w% Have a good one.  (VAXORCIST leaves).a  9 (SYSMGR enters the machine room.  Camera follows him in.)r  C SYSMGR:  (Calling to someone off-camera)  Okay, you guys, let's getlF rolling.  Get those backup tapes out.  We've got a clean system again!J (cheers are heard from off-camera.  The SYSMGR leaves the picture, leavingJ only the VAX with it's cabinet doors still open in the picture.  Slow zoomF in to the LSI unit.  Slowly, the LSI unit begins to emit a pulsing red glow)    (Fade to black.  CREDITS ROLL)K --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I Copyright (C) 1991 by Christopher Russell (crussell@eng.umd.edu).  PleaseIF feel free to copy this and pass it around if it amuses you, as long as this notice is left intact.f  K Any similarity between characters appearing in this script and any persons,JI creatures, or entities living, dead, or otherwise is purely coincidental.d  D I am no longer an employee of the University of Maryland, so I'm notG particularly bothered if you think that they are responsible for any ofm) this.  Unless it's funny, then it's mine.   E Thanks to my friends and colleagues at the University of Maryland andnE elsewhere for their help and encouragement in the developement of thea script and the video.a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:56:08 +10002 From: "Alan Erskine" <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au>) Subject: Re: Elvis has left the building!a< Message-ID: <3e93a7db$0$26918$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>   Nowuckinfurries! :o)   -- Alan Erskine alanerskine(at)optusnet.com.au The Coalition of the Willing,I against the Axis of Evil,2 In a War of the Damned    : "Mike Speegle" <mikespeegle@netscape.net> wrote in message/ news:b6u00e$8nq4g$1@ID-130573.news.dfncis.de...s3 > Alan Erskine <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au> typed:.9 > > "Chuck Stewart" <zapkitty@gmx.co.uk> wrote in messageh4 > > news:pan.2003.04.07.20.43.42.684080@gmx.co.uk...< > >> On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 13:55:57 +0000, Mike Speegle wrote: > >>< > >>> Alan Erskine alanerskine@optusnet.com.au <Alan Erskine) > >>> alanerskine@optusnet.com.au> typed:e > >>D > >>>     Asshole, you don't post a person's personal info.  Period. > >> > >> > >> Alan did? > >eI > > No, Alan did not.  If you recall about a year-or-so ago, JTM tried tonG > > harrass people by finding out their real addresses and posting themcB > > to the groups.  I was the first to volunteer mine as a form ofH > > retaliation and I was followed by several others and that ended that% > > as JTM realised it wouldn't work.: > >DF > > Chuck, could you kindly reply to this so Mike can see it.  I agreeF > > with what he says and I wouldn't dream of asking for an apology as. > > his reaction is understandable.  Mike, OK? >eC >     Obviously, since I can see your post, the one I plonked was ak > forgery.  mmkay?  ;-)i > -- > Mike: > ________________________________________________________5 > "Colorado Ski Country, USA"   Come often. Ski hard.e: > Spend *lots* of money. Then leave as quickly as you can.: > Rec.Skiing.Alpine.Moderated is up and working!  Join in! >e >e   ------------------------------   Date: 8 APR 2003 19:02:11 GMTv4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher), Subject: ES40 - convert tower to rack mount?5 Message-ID: <8APR03.19021123@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>m   Two ES40 mounting questions:  C  1. Can an ES40 model 2 in a tower enclosure be converted to a racko*     mount by ordering a BA61R-RM rack kit?  G  2. Can an ES40 rack mount system be mounted in an old Dec cabinet (say D     one that used to hold three RA82's) with front and rear rails 259     inches apart or are the "M series" cabinets required?S   Thanks.p   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisoni4 --             karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:42:09 -0600)2 From: "Scott Goodell" <Scott.Goodell@hsc.utah.edu>% Subject: Re: ES47  with OpenVMS 7.3-1n2 Message-ID: <se92edd8.063@gwdom2-med.med.utah.edu>  G What application are you running?  Did the ES47 have 2 or 4 CPU's and =aL similiar amounts of memory? We are looking into getting an ES45 or ES47 in = the future.n Thanks,t Scott    Hi,o  F We have a similar set-up; Several 4CPU ES40s running at various speedsE and several 4CPU ES45s running at 1GHz and 1.25GHz. A couple of weeksiF ago we were able to get a loan of an ES47 from HP. After doing variousD benchmarks we came to the conclusion that an ES45 running at 1.25GHz9 provided better throughput (for us) than an ES47 at 1GHz.h  @ I'm afraid there's no hard and fast rule - it's very applicationF dependant. The slower clock speed and cache size on the ES47 has to be= traded against the significantly faster (main) memory access.   F Maybe HP will be willing to loan you a machine or perhaps you can take? your application along to one of their sites for benchmarking ?e   Regards, Steve   J >>> Steve Bainbridge <stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk> 04/08/03 01:44AM >>>L "Toine Dirven" <tdirven@volvocars.com> wrote in message news:<b6si8n$prp1@e= ccws12.dearborn.ford.com>... > Hello, >=20I > At the moment I have a cluster with two ES45 alpha servers with OpenVMSe > 7.3-1./ > I just want to replace one ES45 with an ES47.d > Is this possible ?% > I'm using Rdb 7.01 en Oracle 8.1.7.n >=20( > Is anyone using an ES47 with OpenVMS ? > How is the performance ? >=20L > Now I have a ES45 with 4 CPU's of 1250 MHz and a lot of cache but I have = CPU  > performance problems.c3 > Is an ES47 with 4 CPU's of 1000 MHz much faster ?, >=20 > Best regards,0 >=20 > Toine Dirven > Volvo Cars Gentv	 > Belgium>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 18:26:42 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>n% Subject: RE: ES47  with OpenVMS 7.3-1 T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ECF78@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Tom,  H Based on what you have indicated, you might be better off looking at the# ES80 which can scale up to 8 cpu's.n  F At a minimum, you will need the following upgrade to V7.3-1 for either2 the EV7 based ES47 or the ES80: (one url may wrap)H http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/vms/dec-axpvms-vms7 31_ev7-v0100--4.README  H Check with the Oracle Rdb folks as to when the EV7 based systems will be< officially supported and what version of Rdb is required.=20  F Also, if an upgrade is ordered, ensure the model with the right number) of PCI slots is ordered as a replacement.    Regardsm  
 Kerry Main Senior ConsultantR Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services0 Voice: 613-592-4660m Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)e OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMg     -----Original Message-----4 From: Toine Dirven [mailto:tdirven@volvocars.com]=20 Sent: April 7, 2003 3:07 PMa To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma  Subject: ES47 with OpenVMS 7.3-1     Hello,  G At the moment I have a cluster with two ES45 alpha servers with OpenVMS G 7.3-1. I just want to replace one ES45 with an ES47. Is this possible ?l# I'm using Rdb 7.01 en Oracle 8.1.7.s  & Is anyone using an ES47 with OpenVMS ? How is the performance ?  H Now I have a ES45 with 4 CPU's of 1250 MHz and a lot of cache but I haveB CPU performance problems. Is an ES47 with 4 CPU's of 1000 MHz much faster ?  
 Best regards,o   Toine Dirven Volvo Cars Genty Belgiumi   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:44:33 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>Y Subject: Forget Unix, go to Linux!!  was ( New Training Class -  OpenVMS  Performance Man @ Message-ID: <20030408234433.30073.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>  > I am sad about the OpenVMS  training in Brazil ! HP dont have 6 opened classes for a long time.... I will try to jump > to CISCO this year !  I will try work with OVMS for the next 2: years until the company migrate all the databases to SAP !? After that I must check how is the Itanium Marketing to see if  F there is a value for me to continue in the brazilian market of OVMS ! A Even as a "rare professional" as they call me here ! And I am nota 10% of Hoffman :-)  C But, by the way ? Why Linux is growing ? Because there are trainingtE classes in every corner of the city - cheaper courses and specialized C people to give training ! More courses than any Unix, OVMS, etc ... A Of course Microsoft dominates the marketshare here, but I believewL we are in a proportion of MS 80% - 20% Linux nowadays. Our social-democratic= government is giving a boost  to Linux in poor communities !  J There is no much more reason to the companies to make investments in Unix F anymore. Why a company will spend milions in developing Unixes if theyF can make hardware, install a RedHat (at no real cost of develop.) and F make the customer satisfacted .... a few months ago I saw a case of a H company using a Linux Beowolf cluster instead of a SGI Origin with greatF results of performance ! And one guy installed the software in all the Compaq servers...<  E IBM, HP, SGI are jumping to Itanium ! May be Sun will become alone ! t  C In a few years the processor consolidation will be done ! Power PC @@ is losing ground ! SPARC either ! Of course PPC, SPARC, Itanium F have they technologic merits - but the customer nowadays wants resultsH - as cheaper as possible ! The end of the processor miriad is coming ...3 the end of Unix is coming.... slowly, but coming ! VL The x86-Linux-like will win because it works - cheaper than HP-UX, Solaris, ; AIX ! There is no reason for the processors race anymore !     Regardsn   FC  , --- PROSULLIVAN <prosullivan@aol.com> wrote:/ > Were on earth did you get that figure from???  > > O > >Being from Europe - and already over here for a few years... I can't see howaO > >anyone would manage to spend $6750 in hotel and travel costs travelling from-N > >Europe - especially in the current climate. Heck the investment bank I used@ > >to work for blew away first class travel nearly a decade ago! > >k/ > Were on earth did you get that figure from???@ > >c > Here's where:rL > $10k is the company's money, if my employer was flush enough to send me to > the N > US ( business class flight from UK (USD$5-6k depending, plus course fee plus > hotel).    > G > btw, If you have the audacity to book your own travel (non-corporate) J > arrangements, and actually travel on non-approved airlines etc, then theL > company will not approve your expenses, as anyone who work(ed) for DEC and > Compaq can attest. > . > Doh, maybe I should use my own money then... >  >        =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?= Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more  http://tax.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:02:03 -05002/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>- Subject: Re: HSZ40 woesp3 Message-ID: <3E9362FB.D8B230E3@applied-synergy.com>f   Doc Octopus wrote: >  > [posted and mailed]m > G > On 07 Apr 2003, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> posted somem, > news:3E924195.8934F26@applied-synergy.com: > @ > > I did an experiment here this weekend and now need some help* > > straightening out the results.  <sigh> > >MK > > I was investigating support options for an HSZ50.  Since we had a spare0H > > HSZ40 (actually, a SWXCR-05), I suggested that it could be used as a > > backup.k > > K > > We tested that this weekend.  The HSZ40 was working properly.  Shutdown H > > and remove the HSZ50 and its cache.  Install the HSZ40 in its place. > > Power backup up. > >eL > > The HSZ40 booted fine, but had the configuration for its old box.  So, I? > > started with a "SET THIS_CONTROLLER INITIAL_CONFIGURATION".n > > < > > After the HSZ40 rebooted, its licenses were all INVALID! > >7L > > One odd think I noticed was that when setting the initial configuration,I > > the HSZ40 reported that it was loading the configuration from a drivelH > > that had SAVE_CONFIGURATION set, but it didn't actually load the newL > > configutation.  Could trying to load a HSZ50 configuration hose a HSZ40? > > G > > Also, I didn't notice before this, but "SHOW THIS" reports that theRH > > controller is a SWXCR-04 when it is really a SWXCR-05.  (What is the. > > difference between a -04 and -05 anyways?) > >nD > > The serial number on the controller is still set correctly.  TheF > > controller seems to work correctly, it just doesn't have any valid > > licenses anymore.  > >o  > > The HSZ40 is running V31Z-4. > >l > > So my questions are: > >i > > What causes this?a > > % > > How can the licenses be restored?I > >iL > > Were there any controllers sold that didn't have these licenses enabled? > > 
 > > Thanx!      K > You cannot use an HSZ50 as a transparent upgrade/replacement for an HSZ40>G > and vice versa.  This is stated clearly in all HSZ50 firmware release K > notes.  An HSZ40 cannot load meta configuration for an HSZ50 from a drive I > with saved meta config info and vice versa.  The configurations are not H > compatible.  You have to dump and fatfinger the configurations.  You'dI > better have a screen dump of all controller config info before you even-* > think of attempting something like this.  F I was expecting to fatfinger the configuration.  I just wasn't able to) do so when the licenses went bad.  <sigh>   D The way I read the release notes, they just say it won't work.  TheyF don't say that it will hose your controller.  I wasn't expecting it to8 load the configuration, I was expecting it to ignore it.    K > Setting any HSZXX to initial configuration will do exactly that - zap theyC > configuration and all licenses.  That's the intent of the CLI seta > this_controller initial...  E I can't find anywhere that it says that it will zap the licenses.  InoE fact, the CLI Reference Manual says: "Use this command to ensure thati> all the old configuration information is removed when moving aH controller from one location to another."  It appears to be recommending- that this command be used for this situation.     DK > If you know the configurations and names of the arrays, you can certainly I > use the HSZ40 or 50 as swap replacements, but - again, you will have tohJ > remove any existing configurations from the controller and fatfinger theK > correct array info back in.  If you are not familiar with the CLI for HSZeJ > controllers, use CFMENU to remove the old configurations and add the newD > ones.  If you don't have a well documented configuration you're in
 > trouble.  @ All this was documented and I was planning on typing it back in.  G I think the real gotcha is (if I understand what you are saying) that IRD thought the licenses were attributes of the controller when they areH really attributes of the configuration.  I thought the configuration was# just the device/unit configuration.t  ? FWIW: It looks like RUN CONFIG will also try to force the savede7 configuration, so that command appears to be dangerous.^   L > Unless you have a firmware license card or a way to fat finger the license > codes in you're out of luck.   No license card.  <sigh>  A Did HSZs come with a license card or were the licenses preloaded?g    K > However, if you have a second HSZ40, you can install both controllers andrI > set failover copy from the good controller to the one you zapped and itcL > will add the licenses it has to the zapped controller.  Ensure you do thisG > correctly or you will zero the good controller.  No you cannot use an  > HSZ50 to do this.   H How close a match do I need for this to work?  Can I use a true HSZ40 (IB have a SWXCR-05)?  Do the software versions need to match?  Do the# hardware rev numbers need to match?i  B I may have access to another HSZ40, but I'm not sure of the actual configuration.  E And I'm still curious:  What is the difference between a SWXCR-04 ande -05?   Thanx for the help!     G -----------------------------------------------------------------------i$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com a   Fax: 817-237-3074w   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 22:00:53 -0400i' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net>' Subject: Re: HSZ40 woest0 Message-ID: <lsuv6b.ttj.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>   Chris Scheers wrote:  # > How can the licenses be restored?0   Type them back in.  ZJ > Were there any controllers sold that didn't have these licenses enabled?  I As I recall, the HS?40 controllers (where ?=J or Z) didn't come with the uK RAID or writeback cache licenses, but rather one purchased them separately.   H The HS?50 controllers had all the licenses built in, but I suspect that I they were "typed in" at the factory, and are also subject to being wiped s out like you've seen.e   -- e           Stul   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 04:40:03 GMTt' From: Doc Octopus <dococt@noschpam.org>  Subject: Re: HSZ40 woes-/ Message-ID: <Xns9357DC70F780FXSlug27@68.6.19.6>3   [posted and mailed]z  E On 08 Apr 2003, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> posted someD, news:3E9362FB.D8B230E3@applied-synergy.com:    > Doc Octopus wrote: >> n >> [posted and mailed] >> dH >> On 07 Apr 2003, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> posted some- >> news:3E924195.8934F26@applied-synergy.com:p >> nA >> > I did an experiment here this weekend and now need some help + >> > straightening out the results.  <sigh>  >> >F >> > I was investigating support options for an HSZ50.  Since we had aE >> > spare HSZ40 (actually, a SWXCR-05), I suggested that it could bea >> > used as a backup. >> >C >> > We tested that this weekend.  The HSZ40 was working properly. -G >> > Shutdown and remove the HSZ50 and its cache.  Install the HSZ40 inn  >> > its place. Power backup up. >> >G >> > The HSZ40 booted fine, but had the configuration for its old box. HF >> > So, I started with a "SET THIS_CONTROLLER INITIAL_CONFIGURATION". >> >= >> > After the HSZ40 rebooted, its licenses were all INVALID!  >> >> >> > One odd think I noticed was that when setting the initial> >> > configuration, the HSZ40 reported that it was loading theG >> > configuration from a drive that had SAVE_CONFIGURATION set, but it H >> > didn't actually load the new configutation.  Could trying to load a' >> > HSZ50 configuration hose a HSZ40? e >> >H >> > Also, I didn't notice before this, but "SHOW THIS" reports that theE >> > controller is a SWXCR-04 when it is really a SWXCR-05.  (What isN3 >> > the difference between a -04 and -05 anyways?)l >> >E >> > The serial number on the controller is still set correctly.  ThehG >> > controller seems to work correctly, it just doesn't have any validw >> > licenses anymore. >> >! >> > The HSZ40 is running V31Z-4.n >> > >> > So my questions are:L >> > >> > What causes this? >> >& >> > How can the licenses be restored? >> >D >> > Were there any controllers sold that didn't have these licenses >> > enabled?  >> > >> > Thanx!o >  >  > F >> You cannot use an HSZ50 as a transparent upgrade/replacement for anF >> HSZ40 and vice versa.  This is stated clearly in all HSZ50 firmwareG >> release notes.  An HSZ40 cannot load meta configuration for an HSZ50I@ >> from a drive with saved meta config info and vice versa.  TheE >> configurations are not compatible.  You have to dump and fatfingerT> >> the configurations.  You'd better have a screen dump of allG >> controller config info before you even think of attempting somethingR >> like this.  > H > I was expecting to fatfinger the configuration.  I just wasn't able to+ > do so when the licenses went bad.  <sigh>e > F > The way I read the release notes, they just say it won't work.  TheyH > don't say that it will hose your controller.  I wasn't expecting it to: > load the configuration, I was expecting it to ignore it. >  > H >> Setting any HSZXX to initial configuration will do exactly that - zapH >> the configuration and all licenses.  That's the intent of the CLI set >> this_controller initial...p > G > I can't find anywhere that it says that it will zap the licenses.  InbG > fact, the CLI Reference Manual says: "Use this command to ensure that @ > all the old configuration information is removed when moving a= > controller from one location to another."  It appears to bes< > recommending that this command be used for this situation.  J It also assumes that you own and have the appropriate licenses to reapply.   >  >  uB >> If you know the configurations and names of the arrays, you canG >> certainly use the HSZ40 or 50 as swap replacements, but - again, you F >> will have to remove any existing configurations from the controller@ >> and fatfinger the correct array info back in.  If you are notF >> familiar with the CLI for HSZ controllers, use CFMENU to remove theE >> old configurations and add the new ones.  If you don't have a wellT. >> documented configuration you're in trouble. > B > All this was documented and I was planning on typing it back in. > G > I think the real gotcha is (if I understand what you are saying) thateH > I thought the licenses were attributes of the controller when they areF > really attributes of the configuration.  I thought the configuration) > was just the device/unit configuration.I  I Licenses and devices all fall in the configuration category.  That's why YE you manually remove and reconfigure device configurations instead of wI nailing the entire controller.  No need to erase the config like a Cisco g	 router.  a   > A > FWIW: It looks like RUN CONFIG will also try to force the saved?9 > configuration, so that command appears to be dangerous.r >   E >> Unless you have a firmware license card or a way to fat finger theo' >> license codes in you're out of luck.y >  > No license card.  <sigh> > C > Did HSZs come with a license card or were the licenses preloaded?    Preloaded.   >  > H >> However, if you have a second HSZ40, you can install both controllersG >> and set failover copy from the good controller to the one you zappedaH >> and it will add the licenses it has to the zapped controller.  EnsureF >> you do this correctly or you will zero the good controller.  No you" >> cannot use an HSZ50 to do this. > G > How close a match do I need for this to work?  Can I use a true HSZ40 G > (I have a SWXCR-05)?  Do the software versions need to match?  Do them% > hardware rev numbers need to match?e > D > I may have access to another HSZ40, but I'm not sure of the actual > configuration. > G > And I'm still curious:  What is the difference between a SWXCR-04 andi > -05? >   K You just need another HSZ40 period.  The revision doesn't matter that much oI when updating the second controller, but you will need to be running the p$ same firmware on both controllers.    ! Where do you see the SWXCR-05/04?:     > Thanx for the help!    > I > -----------------------------------------------------------------------e& > Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. > E > Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com   >   Fax: 817-237-3074u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:21:24 +0200n& From: Michiel Erens <erens@wanadoo.nl>" Subject: Re: in need for vms 5.5-2& Message-ID: <3E932134.75B6@wanadoo.nl>   Alex wrote:  >  > hi folks,  > " > I'm looking for vms 5.5-2 media.' > Does anybody know, where to get this. ? > I owned a cd with vms 5.5 but only have the dist cds anymore.n> > New versions aren't an option at all because of the licenses > I have are for 5.5   Hi Alex,  ? I have a VMS 5.5-2 CD that I can copy. Unfortunately I live in e= the Netherlands. But if you won't get an offer nearby, I can A send it to you..   -- a
 Greetings,  
 Michiel Erense Posted by news://news.nb.nue   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:09:38 -0600o From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>a" Subject: Re: in need for vms 5.5-2& Message-ID: <3E931E72.9080002@srv.net>   Alex wrote:  > hi folks,: > " > I'm looking for vms 5.5-2 media.' > Does anybody know, where to get this.l? > I owned a cd with vms 5.5 but only have the dist cds anymore.c> > New versions aren't an option at all because of the licenses > I have are for 5.5 >  > thanks in advanceh  / Have you tried your licenses on newer versions? : I don't think they are usually tied to a specific version.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 22:24:00 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>" Subject: Re: in need for vms 5.5-25 Message-ID: <b6vb59$9bk8u$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>c  5 "Michiel Erens" <erens@wanadoo.nl> schreef in berichte  news:3E932134.75B6@wanadoo.nl...
 > Alex wrote:e > > 
 > > hi folks,: > > $ > > I'm looking for vms 5.5-2 media.) > > Does anybody know, where to get this. A > > I owned a cd with vms 5.5 but only have the dist cds anymore.i@ > > New versions aren't an option at all because of the licenses > > I have are for 5.5 >e
 > Hi Alex, >f@ > I have a VMS 5.5-2 CD that I can copy. Unfortunately I live in> > the Netherlands. But if you won't get an offer nearby, I can > send it to you.a >n > -- > Greetings, >C > Michiel Erense > Posted by news://news.nb.nun  K Ahem, I run 5.5-1 on a VAXstation 3100. I have no media anymore (borrowed aeE TK50). Now I happen to live in the Netherlands, could I ask for a CD?    Hans   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:32:26 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: LUV VMS5 Message-ID: <b6v4k3$9fdr6$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>R  2 "Pierre" <usdutchie1@covad.net> schreef in bericht7 news:7c7925e7.0304072204.41b78862@posting.google.com...I/ > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in messagen1 news:<b6sho4$8joej$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>...O= > > "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> schreef in berichti8 > > news:Syjka.257$2i6.255@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...G > > > At least that's what his car says. Spotted 4-apr-2003, northboundeD > > > highway 101 near Palo Alto, CA.  If it's our VMS then it looks > > > like someone has a job!  > > >d. > > > See: http://www.mkaz.com/tmp/luv_vms.jpg > > >t	 > > > Jimn > > >t2 > > With a nice pay check, considering the car :-) >n > Schijn bedriegt, Hans.... :-(  >cA > Yes, this is our VMS; is there any other even worth mentioning?u9 > I'm glad you like my license plate (and car); I do too!c   LOL!K Ten eerste was een reactie in het nederlands zo'n beetje het laatste wat ike
 verwacht had!e  A That said, there's no way you could afford a car like that in the L Netherlands. With our roadtax, petrol price and BPM a Corvette is surely not5 within reach of the average dutch VMS system manager.rF And you are of course correct:  there is no other VMS, let alone worth mentioning :-)   Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 01:08:58 GMTt+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>o Subject: Re: LUV VMS2 Message-ID: <BAB8C0B9.6F6C%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  G On 4/8/03 5:32 AM, in article 3E92C171.7050502@attbi.com, "Bob Willard"  <BobwBSGS@attbi.com> wrote:    > Jeff Cameron wrote:pO >> On 4/7/03 6:30 PM, in article 3E92261E.4C0D67DF@fsi.net, "David J. Dachtera"u! >> <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:a >>   >>   >>> James Gessling wrote:o >>> F >>>> At least that's what his car says. Spotted 4-apr-2003, northboundC >>>> highway 101 near Palo Alto, CA.  If it's our VMS then it lookst >>>> like someone has a job! >>>> n- >>>> See: http://www.mkaz.com/tmp/luv_vms.jpgi >>> I >>> Have you perchance a friend at the DMV who could find out the owner's L >>> identity? ...and could you then maybe write me privately and ask if it'sF >>> Virtual Memory System, Voluntary Milking System, Vendor Management >>> System, etc. ? >>   >> tN >> Seen on the 405 South Between the 710 (Long Beach) and the 55 (Costa Mesa),N >> M-F from 6-7 AM is a silver Mercury Villager Min-van with license CMKRNL. IO >> guess he doesn't make as much money as the VMS vete, but there is no mistakeO >> what he is into.' >> b > A > That would probably be Jamie Hanrahan, formerly a VMS user, andu? > now (mostly?) doing stuff under VMS+111.  See: www.cmkrnl.comO  F Nope! I was trying to be modest. That is my Van, and me going to work." See : http://www.jcameron.com/vms/G PS: Get your own "OpenVMS DCL, The Original .COM"* bumper sticker at my  website.   Jeff Cameron   * = A Frank Troth idea.o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:37:21 -0700 From: "nntp" <t@nospam.org>G' Subject: MBMAN V3.3-313 on OpenVMS V7.3X+ Message-ID: <3e9324f1$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>a  # Does anyone remember back this far??  I My problem is whenever we update an entry in the DDS it is off by 8 hoursYH (timestamp is 8 hours old).  It was 8 hours old before we went to PDT as well.   I I cannot find any time offset settings in DDS.  In MS there is an offset,rG (Difference between network time and local time) which was set to 00:00.L which I changed to 08:00 and it made no difference to timestamps in the DDS.  I Does anyone know where the DDS gets it's timestamp information from (yes, " the system date/time are correct).   Thanks!R --J Disclaimer: Any comments made are personal and do not reflect the thoughts or policies of this company.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:01:17 -0300t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Montagar problems?w/ Message-ID: <3E932A8B.AE8EF7AA@vl.videotron.ca>o   "David L. Cathey" wrote:I > And recently it was worse than that.  Sunday and most of Monday, my T-1sG > circuit failed leaving pretty much everything down for over 24 hours.rF > Verizon got the cable repaired last night, and everything is back to	 > normal.Y  L Well, the hobbyist license subsystem should be considered a mission criticalN system (even if it brings you no revenue :-). You need to have dual links withN separate carriers, ensuring that the wires are never near each other. You alsoN need to hire security agents who will ensure on a 7/24 basis,  that no backhoeJ will ever get anywhere near those two lines between your systems and the 2
 providers :-)    :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)Y  M Serously, I think that Mr Cathey deserves an award for providing this serviceS$ which is invaluable (understatement)   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 12:09:23 -0700n$ From: svieth@wi.rr.com (Scott Vieth)> Subject: Re: Msg to OpenVMS Engineering regarding PerfectCache= Message-ID: <5a85bce2.0304081109.3917337f@posting.google.com>o   Sue:  E Who did Paul call?  No one called me.  When you say "customer" do youd mean Jim Hibbits at RAXCO?  C Why is this not a place to discuss these issues?  How else should IrB get a message to OpenVMS Engineering? Would you prefer that I wait- until HPETS 2003 so I can complain in person?s  F As for the software being in "Field Test", the only thing I have heardF from RAXCO is that the software is not finished because Jim Hibbits isD waiting for info/code from OpenVMS Engineering.  This has nothing to do with "Field Test".:   Thanks,a   -Scott  v susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message news:<857e9e41.0303251221.58540f8c@posting.google.com>... > Folks, > F > Just to close the loop on this.  I have had a conversation with PaulG > Lacombe today (OpenVMS Mgr), he has called the customer.  Please note G > that some of this software is in field test and a public forum is not $ > the place to discuss these issues. >  > Rob nice response. >  > warm regards,  > suei > f > brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote in message news:<uNPyqic5gP0R@cuebid.zko.dec.com>...* > > svieth@wi.rr.com (Scott Vieth) writes:J > > > From the messages from Jim, it sounds like he is working hard on theK > > > problem but OpenVMS Engineering is not being as helpful or responsiveT > > > as they could be.c > > O > > It's my group that is in the process of making the needed changes, although , > > I'm not directly involved with the work. > > 7 > > I'll forward this note along to the relevant folks.n   ------------------------------   Date: 08 Apr 2003 22:31:16 GMT' From: prosullivan@aol.com (PROSULLIVAN) H Subject: Re: New Training Class -  OpenVMS  Performance Management Class9 Message-ID: <20030408183116.05560.00000881@mb-fo.aol.com>t  - Were on earth did you get that figure from???s >oM >Being from Europe - and already over here for a few years... I can't see howaM >anyone would manage to spend $6750 in hotel and travel costs travelling fromSL >Europe - especially in the current climate. Heck the investment bank I used> >to work for blew away first class travel nearly a decade ago! >s- Were on earth did you get that figure from???g >!
 Here's where:eN $10k is the company's money, if my employer was flush enough to send me to theL US ( business class flight from UK (USD$5-6k depending, plus course fee plus	 hotel).  e  E btw, If you have the audacity to book your own travel (non-corporate)SH arrangements, and actually travel on non-approved airlines etc, then theJ company will not approve your expenses, as anyone who work(ed) for DEC and Compaq can attest.  , Doh, maybe I should use my own money then...    s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 22:46:52 GMTr4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)H Subject: Re: New Training Class -  OpenVMS  Performance Management Class. Message-ID: <wjIka.373700$L1.107063@sccrnsc02>  c In article <20030408183116.05560.00000881@mb-fo.aol.com>, prosullivan@aol.com (PROSULLIVAN) writes:s <snip>F >btw, If you have the audacity to book your own travel (non-corporate)I >arrangements, and actually travel on non-approved airlines etc, then the K >company will not approve your expenses, as anyone who work(ed) for DEC and- >Compaq can attest.2  L I was actually able to book a RT flight, LA <-> Providence, RI, and book my F own rooms while there, *and* got the company to pay for it, becuase I N demonstrated that my arrangements would save the company thousands of dollars F (and becuase my manager went to bat for me with the company, as well).  E It *is* possible, but you have to do the legwork, and line up allies.e  t >r- >Doh, maybe I should use my own money then...e >d >   A _________________________________________________________________C0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"o   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 13:16:41 -0700 * From: cgilley@bravewc.com (Charles Gilley)- Subject: Perl available as a layered product?n= Message-ID: <139d5a58.0304081216.29fab4cd@posting.google.com>e  C I currently work in a place that won't use software unless they payo for it.dE One project I am working on may require Perl.  Several of the links I D have found imply that it may be available as a "layered product" butD others point to a perl for openvms site.  Now I know that the sourceD is available, can be compiled on openVMS, but my place of employmentE cannot compute this - they need something that says "Perl for OpenVMSl4 ..... $25,000" and then they'll install it.  sigh...  A Ignoring the silly price comment (frustration coming through), iscD there an orderable product for openVMS Perl?  Perhaps a web services) CD compiling Apache, Secure Telnet, etc.?o   Thanks   Charlie    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:55:23 -0500  From: brandon@dalsemi.com 1 Subject: Re: Perl available as a layered product?T1 Message-ID: <03040815552314@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>n  E > I currently work in a place that won't use software unless they pay-	 > for it. G > One project I am working on may require Perl.  Several of the links IrF > have found imply that it may be available as a "layered product" butF > others point to a perl for openvms site.  Now I know that the sourceF > is available, can be compiled on openVMS, but my place of employmentG > cannot compute this - they need something that says "Perl for OpenVMSt6 > ..... $25,000" and then they'll install it.  sigh... > C > Ignoring the silly price comment (frustration coming through), isaF > there an orderable product for openVMS Perl?  Perhaps a web services+ > CD compiling Apache, Secure Telnet, etc.?n  3 I will sell it to you for $10,000!  Will that work?@   John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator- Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkG 972.371.4003 fxo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:57:26 -05009 From: brandon@dalsemi.coma1 Subject: Re: Perl available as a layered product?e1 Message-ID: <03040815572669@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   C > Ignoring the silly price comment (frustration coming through), is F > there an orderable product for openVMS Perl?  Perhaps a web services+ > CD compiling Apache, Secure Telnet, etc.?E  M Purchase the VMS binaries that include the e-commerce (?) CD.  That will be aoM $300 or $400 charge.  Then you install it...  hope that helps - damn, cuttingn myself out of $10,000 profit...      John Brandon VMS Systems AdministratorS Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wke 972.371.4003 fxe   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 22:48:15 +0200d. From: labadie <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1>1 Subject: Re: Perl available as a layered product?m( Message-ID: <3E93358F.4FB1DB5@127.0.0.1>   Charles Gilley wrote:e  E > I currently work in a place that won't use software unless they pay<	 > for it.n  G Sounds strange:  I would understand better a company that wants to have.3 access to the source code of the software they use.a     >oG > One project I am working on may require Perl.  Several of the links I5F > have found imply that it may be available as a "layered product" butF > others point to a perl for openvms site.  Now I know that the sourceF > is available, can be compiled on openVMS, but my place of employmentG > cannot compute this - they need something that says "Perl for OpenVMSo6 > ..... $25,000" and then they'll install it.  sigh...  	 I checkedt' http://www.sidhe.org/vmsperl/index.html0 and found nothing to pay.   I As a workaround, I can sell them Perl for Vms for 1 000 000 $ (higher the-F price, better the product, and I will even give access to the sources) :-)c   Regardsc   Grard   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:56:28 GMTC4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)1 Subject: Re: Perl available as a layered product?o? Message-ID: <0IGka.410608$sf5.734813@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>m  Y In article <3E93358F.4FB1DB5@127.0.0.1>, labadie <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> writes:o >u >m >Charles Gilley wrote: <snip>H >> One project I am working on may require Perl.  Several of the links IG >> have found imply that it may be available as a "layered product" but G >> others point to a perl for openvms site.  Now I know that the source   L Forgive me, because I missed the beginning of this thread.  I have used this* layered product before, and it works well:  M http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_perl_relnotes.htmla  L It's free, but it's not obvious if HP supports it as a product - best to askJ them.  If HP does, will your company use it, because they have to pay for  support?	:-)	:-)  G >> is available, can be compiled on openVMS, but my place of employmentcH >> cannot compute this - they need something that says "Perl for OpenVMS7 >> ..... $25,000" and then they'll install it.  sigh...a <snip> >Regards >  >Grarda >r >s  A _________________________________________________________________I0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:59:18 -0300a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>1 Subject: Re: Perl available as a layered product??/ Message-ID: <3E93543E.3798FA68@vl.videotron.ca>n   brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:5 > I will sell it to you for $10,000!  Will that work?0   I'll do it for $9000. :-) :-)o  N Seriously, you'd be better off buying "integration services" for Perl. SomeoneC who will make sure it is compiled fine, and has all the needed plugiN ins/modules and fully tested and who will be there later if you have problems.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:48:42 GMTC! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzi1 Subject: Re: Perl available as a layered product?r% Message-ID: <3e93675d.704234625@news>h  B On 8 Apr 2003 13:16:41 -0700, cgilley@bravewc.com (Charles Gilley) wrote:  D >I currently work in a place that won't use software unless they pay >for it.F >One project I am working on may require Perl.  Several of the links IE >have found imply that it may be available as a "layered product" buteE >others point to a perl for openvms site.  Now I know that the sourceeE >is available, can be compiled on openVMS, but my place of employmentsF >cannot compute this - they need something that says "Perl for OpenVMS5 >..... $25,000" and then they'll install it.  sigh...c >oB >Ignoring the silly price comment (frustration coming through), isE >there an orderable product for openVMS Perl?  Perhaps a web servicesn* >CD compiling Apache, Secure Telnet, etc.? >l >Thanksx >i >Charlie Hmmm... tricky one.a8 A lot of software is available when you purchase the OS.C In the case of OpenVMS on Alpha, you get licenses for TCPIP etc. As E well you get access to other products and these include Perl, Apache,t PHP etc.? Your task is to try and convince the powers that be that you'ver: already bought this software, you've just not used it yet!# You might want to use the angle of:aE Perl is an Interpretative language. It doesn't need a Compiler (whichu; you pay for on VMS) but a Run Time Library (which is Free). E Now I suspect this may be stretching some definitions pretty thin butpF I'm not sure how you're going to pay for something HP provides as part of the environment. E Perl is available as a standard distribution kit from the HP Site. Noc) need to compile it. But, alas, it's free.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 22:57:44 -0300S0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>1 Subject: Re: Perl available as a layered product?g/ Message-ID: <3E937E15.95E37988@vl.videotron.ca>a   Another thought.  F One CAN change such attitudes by providing solid evidence that such anL application is rock solid, long term available, and supported. I was able toI convince a bank to allow Kermit to be used on a SWIFT machine to downloadgJ letters of credit to the ST400 application this way, and it worked so muchJ better than the previous hack that they saw the good in that decision. OneN item which seemed to help sway their mind was the fact that I told them that II was able to send emails to the writer and gets answers, as well as having  source code.  N is it still Dan Sugalski (sp?) who handles the VMS port of Perl ? Perhaps yourN employer could have a little chat with him and offer him some sort of gift forO his effort, or perhaps fund continued efforts by him to provide ports of Perl ?.    L The era of public domain software is upon us and companies will have to findH some paradigm to fund continued maintenance/support of the public domain software they are using.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 04:11:37 GMTa4 From: Craig A. Berry <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>1 Subject: Re: Perl available as a layered product?-@ Message-ID: <9bc38048c0a84f79b2b9761836e16b87@news.teranews.com>  7 In <3E937E15.95E37988@vl.videotron.ca> JF Mezei  wrote:e  H > One CAN change such attitudes by providing solid evidence that such anA > application is rock solid, long term available, and supported.    H HP supports the Perl kit that they distribute; my understanding is that D anyone with a VMS support contract can get this support through the E usual channels.  I happen to know they do fix bugs based on customer  F reports because I've been helping OVMS Engineering feed their changes H back into the authoritative sources for the next release.  This may not H help the original poster with his management, but there is also a great H deal of free support available through various mailing lists, including  vmsperl AT perl DOT org.  D > is it still Dan Sugalski (sp?) who handles the VMS port of Perl ? H > Perhaps your employer could have a little chat with him and offer him I > some sort of gift for his effort, or perhaps fund continued efforts by l  > him to provide ports of Perl ?  I Dan doesn't do much with Perl 5 on VMS these days but he is in charge of eH internals for Perl 6, currently under development.  It's a rewrite from H scratch, including a new bytecode language under the hood.  In any case G it is an excellent idea to support the work Dan has done and is doing,  E and there is a mechanism for doing so by making contributions to the   Perl Foundation grant program:  7 <http://www.perl-foundation.org/index.cgi?page=contrib>e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:55:07 -0700s, From: "Ingemar Olson" <bio2935c@hotmail.com>@ Subject: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /page5 Message-ID: <F7dlb9rXg5wlSe9F6EB000005dc@hotmail.com>l  * This (cf: the title) doesn't seem to work.  K I've created two modules in the device library (biosetu and biopage), each a9 containing just a line of text saying which module it is.?   When I define a form: 5 BIOTEST (stock=DEFAULT)                 999   BIOTESTa5     /LENGTH=66 /PAGE_SETUP=(BIOPAGE) /SETUP=(BIOSETU)   # and $ print /form=biotest hello.txt   A what I get on the printer is one page with the text from the page I module followed by a second page with text from the page module plus the r
 "hello" file.t. Ie: no sign of the text from the setup module.   defining the form as:r5 BIOTEST (stock=DEFAULT)                 999   BIOTESTe     /LENGTH=66 /SETUP=(BIOSETU) H gives me a page with the setup module's text followed by a page with my 
 "hello" file.l   defining the form as:n5 BIOTEST (stock=DEFAULT)                 999   BIOTESTt$     /LENGTH=66 /PAGE_SETUP=(BIOPAGE)H gives me a single page with the page module's text and the "hello" file.  M I don't care about the multiple pages (it's just a test) but it seems that I  M can't get both the "setup" and "page" modules to work at the same time. It's lL behaving as if the contents of the "page" module is being activated instead L of the "setup" module when I ask for both (hence the _double_ appearance of  the "page" text).   L The manual doesn't mention anything about these parameters being exclusive. 5 Does anyone have any ideas on why this isn't working?a  B This looks like a bug to me, but is it in VMS, or Multinet? Or ... I'm not in a position to tell.  L Can someone who is not using Multinet please try to replicate my experiment?3 Can someone else who IS using Multinet do the same?i  G VMS Alpha 7.1-2 (yes I know it's not "current"), Multinet 4.3, HP 4000 l printert   TIAt
 Ingemar Olsonr            A _________________________________________________________________,= Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.   0 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:09:28 GMTg' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>l' Subject: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPs+ Message-ID: <3E93101E.68F91B5A@pacbell.net>r   I'm running TCPIP Services 5.1.aF 50% of all the mail I receive is directed to uses at my domain that do
 not exist.C This uses up a lot of resources processing the return message, etc. < Since 99% of it is SPAM, the return message (your message isG undeliverable) cannot be delivered, so SMTP waits and tries it again uprD to the limit I have set for retries (5). I don't want to change thatG number, since I'd like to continue retrying when required while sendingi out my legitimate mail. B Is there any other way to just drop mail addressed to non-existentF users? I don't even want to TRY to let them know that the user doesn'tE exist. I'm using my SMTP.CONFIG file for other filtering, but I don'tn see a way to do it there.l   TIAu --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco5   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 14:51:46 -0500a From: briggs@encompasserve.org+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPm3 Message-ID: <6vJIFiktOHBW@eisner.encompasserve.org>H  U In article <3E93101E.68F91B5A@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:h > ! > I'm running TCPIP Services 5.1.0H > 50% of all the mail I receive is directed to uses at my domain that do > not exist.E > This uses up a lot of resources processing the return message, etc.7> > Since 99% of it is SPAM, the return message (your message isI > undeliverable) cannot be delivered, so SMTP waits and tries it again up:F > to the limit I have set for retries (5). I don't want to change thatI > number, since I'd like to continue retrying when required while sending  > out my legitimate mail.eD > Is there any other way to just drop mail addressed to non-existentH > users? I don't even want to TRY to let them know that the user doesn'tG > exist. I'm using my SMTP.CONFIG file for other filtering, but I don't  > see a way to do it there.e  C The technique I use to deal with the backlog of nondelivery reportssE for SPAM is to limit the number of outbound delivery attempts I make.a  
 #!/bin/kshL find /var/spool/mqueue -name "qf*" -exec grep -l "^N.." {} \; -exec grep -l 3  "^S<>" {} \; -exec /root/delete_mail_file.sh {} \;0  @ Assuming the queue file format under TCP Services is similar to B file format used by sendmail (a very questionable assumption) then- you may be able to apply a similar technique.e  C Basically, the above code loops through all message header files inpB the message store (/var/spool/mqueue/qf*) and looks for those withE a two or more digit delivery attempt count ("^N..") that are delivery>I reports (envelope return path of "<>").  Any that are found are summarilydF deleted, along with associated data files (/var/spool/mqueue/?f* which- is what the delete_mail_file script gets at).w  E I scan the message store once every three hours in this manner.  ThateC keeps my outbound backlog down to 1000 or so instead of 5000 or so.e   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:14:19 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>" Subject: Re: Resetting error count8 Message-ID: <5sa69vo2vh132c2ogpaar759ii44jddd4s@4ax.com>  M On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:18:21 +0100, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:S   >Phillip Helbig wrote: >> I3 >> > And no it will not be backported to VAX 5.5-2.l >> e >> What about VAX 7.2 or 8.0?> >e; >I've not tried [at 7.2], but what about the freeware ZDEC?c  O ZDEC works on OpenVMS VAX up through V7.3, in my experience. At least one place N it is available is Andy Harper's web server at King's College in the VMS_SHAREP section at http://www.agh.cc.kcl.ac.uk/files/vms/vms_share/. Matt Madison portedI it to OpenVMS Alpha, and I've used it on Alpha successfully through V6.2.tJ However, changes in the UCB and synchronization to the I/O database causedK problems for ZDEC on (at least) OpenVMS Alpha V7.x multi-processor systems.   N The original author of ZDEC, Mark Oakley, has recently submitted a new tool heG calls CLEAR_ERRORS. It is available from Hunter Goatley's web server at>I http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?CLEAR_ERRORS and was>P written specifically for newer OpenVMS Alpha versions (I don't know what minimum version it supports).oI -------------------------------------------------------------------------xI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot commI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)iI -------------------------------------------------------------------------S   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:04:31 GMT>4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.r. Message-ID: <PaEka.110803$OV.211302@rwcrnsc54>  S In article <00A1E15A.2A489F3C@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:t <snip>- >Please provide the URL of the SAMBA-VMS FAQ.   	 Hi Brian,h  H I found a copy using Google - it's over a year old, but was still useful (warning - wrapped URL!):.  6 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=samba+vms+faq+group:L *vms*&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3C43BB1E.1000504%40qsl.network&rnum=2   >  >-- P >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >           6 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  >i  A _________________________________________________________________a0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:35:13 -0500 ' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com> 1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.d= Message-ID: <SFEka.266$35.1103@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>d   Alan Adams wrote: - > In message <8APR200300294806@gerg.tamu.edu>w4 >           carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote: >  > & >>VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes...O >>}>  At this point, if you log in to the workgroup on PIECE_OF_CRAP as Squyrm  P >>}>(use the same password as VMS), open Windows Explorer (not IE, the one that Q >>}>replaces FileManager), select Tools->Map Network Drive from the menu bar, andiQ >>}>map a drive letter to "\\A533U2\Squyrm" (assuming PofC and Samba agree about t >>}>password encryption).  >>}  >>}THANK YOU *10E+06!    >>} A >>}Given a million f*ing years, I wouldn't have figured that out.I >>} ) >>}This is what they tout as *intuitive*!h >>}  >>}--sR >>}VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >>L >>Actually, it is fairly intuitive if you only use Windows systems for this,$ >>and are used to working with them. >>K >>It's Samba that is more problematic, although it is *caused* by the wholeeG >>SMB thing being one huge stinking mess. Not only that, it is one hugeeH >>stinking mess that *changes* every time Microsoft comes out with a newI >>version of Windows. The SMB "design" (to use the term very loosely) is,d# >>to put it midly, a piece of junk.U >>G >>You don't actually HAVE to map a drive, you can click through via theeG >>network neighborhood. This is also true when using Samba, but only if J >>you are lucky. (And it does appear to be a matter of luck - when runningF >>an older version of Samba a couple of years ago, it suddenly stoppedC >>appearing in the Network Neighborhood. Nothing had changed at theeI >>VMS end, and nothing unusual had happened on the Windows end (or ends -rE >>it dissappeared from all of the roughly 60 PCs) either. I never didrH >>figure out what had happened or manage to fix it - it came back when IJ >>upgraded to a newer version of Samba a few months later. Until then, youJ >>just had to know the magic paths since you could enter them into the MapH >>Network Drive dialog and it would map them just fine, even though they" >>didn't appear in the N.N. list.) >  > M > I wouldn't worry about that being a SAMBA problem - it used to happen to us G > with NT 4 clients and servers as well. The Network Neighbourhood mess J > depends a lot on broadcasts and it spontaneously breaks, particularly onM > large busy networks. We never did get to the bottom of it, but BROWMON used4M > to produce really weird data - which usually pointed us in the direction of-B > exactly which business-critical server needed rebooting today... > K > I did try at home to connect a laptop with NT4 to an Acorn system running L > SMBSERVER. No matter what I did I never got the Acorn system to show up in. > Net. Neigh. but I could share data reliably. >  > I'll try it again sometime.f  A Been watching this thread with some interest, and couldn't avoid   dropping my two cents.  E Basically, as Alan eludes here, the real problem -- as everyone here  G SHOULD have already guessed -- is with the "architecture" and "design"  E of the protocol itself: SMB.  Samba itself is a fine product that is fC rock solid -- more rock solid than Windows(*) -- it's just that it aI suffers from the fact that it emulates (for lack of a better word at the c7 moment) a poorly written protocol.  It can't help that.n  D The Network Neighborhood issues are browser and browser list issues G related to SMB and again, there is nothing you can do about it without uF some understanding of SMB and some designing and tweeking of your SMB I network (such as establishing a master browser, setting up a WINS server oH and a few other things I've only taken cursory time to understand about E SMB.)  These same things happen on "pure" Windows networks (machines cC dropping out of Network Neighborhood) and that's just SMB.  It's a  < busted protocol that lacks a lot to be very polite about it.  E Again, it should be nothing surprising to anyone here that Microsoft -C invented something that basically stinks architechurally, but then <I market it as the best thing since sliced bread (since it IS the protocol 8G used in Windows networks -- the PDC part of a bit more complicated but e still a mess none the less.)  I What IS amazing is that the guy that wrote Samba did so first of all not nI even knowing what he was doing (even he would admit that), and second of wH all in doing it in that way (not knowing what he was doing) AND reverse H engineering it without any specs, HIS product is by far BETTER and more A rock solid than Microsoft's and they invented it!!!  I leave the r+ implications as an exercise for the reader.   I Just couldn't help speaking up for Samba and pointing out where the true g fault lies.h   Chrise  C Footnote: (*) I use Samba as my PDC at home on a Pentium II 400mhz 1H running SuSE Linux 8.0.  It's solid as a rock, outperforms a comparable I pure Windows server running on a Pentium III or IV, and has been running -G flawlessly for MONTHS.  It would have eclipsed a year in service if my iE son hadn't accidentlly hit the power button on the machine the other sI day.  There's NO WAY you can say that about ANY "pure" Windoze server, I 7F don't care who you are.  If a Windows server runs for a month without I needing a reboot, it's a record.  And Samba isn't the only thing running .( on that Pentium II 400 machine either...   -----e Chris Olivei Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporation  Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec(AT)indy(DOT)raytheon(DOT)com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:15:09 GMTo" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.j0 Message-ID: <00A1E16A.1CE28446@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <PaEka.110803$OV.211302@rwcrnsc54>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:eT >In article <00A1E15A.2A489F3C@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: ><snip>c. >>Please provide the URL of the SAMBA-VMS FAQ. >n
 >Hi Brian, >hI >I found a copy using Google - it's over a year old, but was still usefulf >(warning - wrapped URL!): >e7 >http://groups.google.com/groups?q=samba+vms+faq+group:tM >*vms*&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3C43BB1E.1000504%40qsl.network&rnum=2o  I Thanks but this is the SAMBA-VMS FAQ that I was also able to find.  It is:I missing key sections of information, namely how to use it from the PeeCee8 side.t  G There are several other things that I'd like to understand about SAMBA.gF For instance, the name that the PeeCee sees is the DECnet node name orG the SCS node name.  How can I change it such that PeeCee can/will refero to SAMBA server as VMS?  e   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM>            a5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:27:43 GMTt4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.!/ Message-ID: <PoFka.372561$3D1.201670@sccrnsc01>m  S In article <00A1E16A.1CE28446@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  <snip>J >Thanks but this is the SAMBA-VMS FAQ that I was also able to find.  It isJ >missing key sections of information, namely how to use it from the PeeCee >side. > H >There are several other things that I'd like to understand about SAMBA.G >For instance, the name that the PeeCee sees is the DECnet node name or H >the SCS node name.  How can I change it such that PeeCee can/will refer >to SAMBA server as VMS?    J Chapter 2 of this document contains information about Windows in the SAMBA> "environment".  The whole document contais useful information:  ? http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection.html   J I can't answer to the second part of your question, but then again, I'm a F rank newbie.  I'm sure that if it can be done, folks will answer here.   >  >--CP >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >           6 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  >V  A _________________________________________________________________a0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:40:37 GMTe4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work. / Message-ID: <9tGka.373010$3D1.202161@sccrnsc01>w  S In article <00A1E16A.1CE28446@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:s <snip>H >There are several other things that I'd like to understand about SAMBA.G >For instance, the name that the PeeCee sees is the DECnet node name or H >the SCS node name.  How can I change it such that PeeCee can/will refer >to SAMBA server as VMS?   >-  	 Hi Brian,-  O Did you set up the SWAT (SAMBA Web Administration Tool)?  If, so, you can pointl
 a browser at:    http://<servername>:901/  N and use the "tool" to set the server name or alias, under the "GLOBALS" page. < The "tool" also contains links to the docset, such as it is.  I I'm going to fool around with this a bit - hope I don't break anything...   h >--rP >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >           6 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  >   A _________________________________________________________________a0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 01:29:17 GMTc- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>e1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work. = Message-ID: <NHKka.22539$D31.1566289@news1.news.adelphia.net>e   VAXman- wrote:g > In article <PaEka.110803$OV.211302@rwcrnsc54>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:p > U >>In article <00A1E15A.2A489F3C@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:n >><snip> >>/ >>>Please provide the URL of the SAMBA-VMS FAQ.1 >> >>Hi Brian,n >>J >>I found a copy using Google - it's over a year old, but was still useful >>(warning - wrapped URL!):b >>8 >>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=samba+vms+faq+group:N >>*vms*&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3C43BB1E.1000504%40qsl.network&rnum=2 >  > K > Thanks but this is the SAMBA-VMS FAQ that I was also able to find.  It iseK > missing key sections of information, namely how to use it from the PeeCeew > side.t  E That information is supposed to be in the file diagnosis.txt.  It is nI however written from a UNIX point of view.  The file may have fallen out  I of favor with the Samba maintainers, but the current documentation seems 4 to reference it.  D It used to be available in HTML form on the SAMBA documentation web # site, but I do not see it any more.a  G The diagnosis.txt is a the installation and verification steps for new   SAMBA installations.  I > There are several other things that I'd like to understand about SAMBA.tH > For instance, the name that the PeeCee sees is the DECnet node name orI > the SCS node name.  How can I change it such that PeeCee can/will referg > to SAMBA server as VMS?   ' Below is some sections from the manual.    -Johnm wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlys      3 http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html   F [Note the first part of the URL is a mirror.  Go to WWW.SAMBA.ORG and : select the closest mirror.  US has four mirrors currently]     server string (G)   G      This controls what string will show up in the printer comment box aG in print manager and next to the IPC connection in net view. It can be 8/ any string that you wish to show to your users.   L      It also sets what will appear in browse lists next to the machine name.  9      A %v will be replaced with the Samba version number.l  -      A %h will be replaced with the hostname.r  &      Default: server string = Samba %v  5      Example: server string = OpenVMS Samba Server %v    netbios aliases (G)6  D      This is a list of NetBIOS names that nmbd(8) will advertise as E additional names by which the Samba server is known. This allows one  H machine to appear in browse lists under multiple names. If a machine is F acting as a browse server or logon server none of these names will be F advertised as either browse server or logon servers, only the primary ? name of the machine will be advertised with these capabilities.         See also netbios name.c  0      Default: empty string (no additional names)  0      Example: netbios aliases = TEST TEST1 TEST2 netbios name (G)  E      This sets the NetBIOS name by which a Samba server is known. By  I default it is the same as the first component of the host's DNS name. If  E a machine is a browse server or logon server this name (or the first  F component of the hosts DNS name) will be the name that these services  are advertised under.S        See also netbios aliases.        Default: machine DNS name  #      Example: netbios name = MYNAME6     os level (G)  G      This integer value controls what level Samba advertises itself as yE for browse elections. The value of this parameter determines whether e@ nmbd(8) has a chance of becoming a local master browser for the & WORKGROUP in the local broadcast area.  G      Note :By default, Samba will win a local master browsing election yI over all Microsoft operating systems except a Windows NT 4.0/2000 Domain hG Controller. This means that a misconfigured Samba host can effectively tF isolate a subnet for browsing purposes. See BROWSING.txt in the Samba  docs/ directory for details.        Default: os level = 20l        Example: os level = 65    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 01:44:29 GMTd4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work. - Message-ID: <0WKka.136323$Zo.27565@sccrnsc03>"  m In article <NHKka.22539$D31.1566289@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:  >VAXman- wrote:l <snip>L >> Thanks but this is the SAMBA-VMS FAQ that I was also able to find.  It isL >> missing key sections of information, namely how to use it from the PeeCee >> side. >hF >That information is supposed to be in the file diagnosis.txt.  It is J >however written from a UNIX point of view.  The file may have fallen out J >of favor with the Samba maintainers, but the current documentation seems  >to reference it.w  J I have not been able to find this file in the [SAMBA...] tree on my system
 (SAMBA 2.2.8)t   >uE >It used to be available in HTML form on the SAMBA documentation web 0$ >site, but I do not see it any more. > H >The diagnosis.txt is a the installation and verification steps for new  >SAMBA installations.f  M I've seen several references to this information, including the docs included. with the distribution:  1 http://<myserver>:901/swat/help/UNIX_INSTALL.htmlp  M I understand you are no longer the maintainer, John, but thanks for your helps with SAMBA and the FAQ   <snip> >-John >wb8tyw@qsl.networke >Personal Opinion Only  A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:36:17 -0400r( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.y, Message-ID: <3E937911.3040204@tsoft-inc.com>   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:P  U > In article <00A1E16A.1CE28446@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:t > <snip> > K >>Thanks but this is the SAMBA-VMS FAQ that I was also able to find.  It isoK >>missing key sections of information, namely how to use it from the PeeCeet >>side.  >>I >>There are several other things that I'd like to understand about SAMBA. H >>For instance, the name that the PeeCee sees is the DECnet node name orI >>the SCS node name.  How can I change it such that PeeCee can/will refer  >>to SAMBA server as VMS?  m    ; I've never used Samba, so the following could be worthless.p  M I doubt that clients see either the DECnet node name, nor the SCS node name, lP unless Samba uses this data.  I'm assuming the whole thing is implemented using 2 TCP/IP.  I'd bet it's seeing the TCP/IP node name.  O If you want to see the server name be VMS, then name the node VMS.  I wouldn't cK really suggest this, since things get a bit confusing if you have multiple .L servers.  Still, the concept is valid, and the best solution would be Samba * providing for a name that the clients see.   Dave     -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:20:51 -0300 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility .../ Message-ID: <3E931302.EFADA05E@vl.videotron.ca>v   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:C > Hmmm.  Sparc sucks.  Supposedly Opteron won't.  Both are 64-bits.    Beware, Sue may spank you :-)   N Seriously, performance aside, does Sparc have certain capabilities that Hammer@ won't have for a long time ? (number of CPU per system, types of" communications between CPUs etc) ?  K And does the Hammer architecture (glorified 8086) lack certain key featurese for large systems ? K (in the sense of "lack of lockstep prevents Tandem from moving to Hammer").c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:04:44 -0600  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>m  Subject: Re: TZ30's and Alpha's?& Message-ID: <3E931D4C.5070905@srv.net>   Zane H. Healy wrote:H > Out of curiousity can a TZ30 drive be connected to an Alpha such as an' > AlphaStation 200 4/233, or PWS 433au?M  > It better, because I've run one on a 200 4/100. This was in an< external box, but I don't think power would be too much of a problem.  O > Someone I know, just dropped a TK50 off for me to try and recover data from, bO > and right now the only VMS systems that I've got fully up are Alpha's.  I've sN > been meaning to get a MicroVAX back up and running, so if necessary I don't  > mind bringing one up.i > 	 > 			Zaneb >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 00:33:38 +0200' From: "Jarosaw Sosiski" <sosin@o2.pl>  Subject: unix screen command/ Message-ID: <b6vipr$atn$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>c   hello   D in unix OS we have a screen command and  how can i do it in open vms, systems?? i would like to run irc in screen.   thx a lot for help   sosins   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:25:39 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences5 Message-ID: <b6v47b$9e4co$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>c  ; "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> schreef in berichte@ news:OFC8E9212E.5CB2D9C8-ON07256D02.0052972D@rsc.raytheon.com... > >David D Miller wrote: > >> > >> Folks:_ > >>! > >> Is there an HP document that_ > >>H > >> 1. Lists the differences between DCL commands on VAX/VMS 7.3 versus > >> Alpha/VMS 7.3-1?L > >>K > >> 2. Lists which layered products are available for one architecture but  > not  > >> the other?f > >>E > >> Or perhaps someone has composed such a list that I could borrow?u >? > David J. Dachtera replied ...v >iD > >I've nothing formal, but AFAIK, the docset still identifies thoseI > >features that are architecture-specific. HELP does a lot of that also,,7 > >but it seems less reliable than the docset for that.r >S > >Dunno if that helps...i >sH > Well, that's a source at least.  Rather a laborious task to search the docs! > however.  Has anyone done this?p >lD > I like to add a summary of the differences between the two VMSs in BaldwinsD > 2nd edition - but I don't have a whole lot of time to do research., > Differences off the top of my head are ... >@$ >    SHOW MEMORY due to architecture >    ODS-5 only on AlphaB >    SDA has different interface and commands due to VMS structure7 >    @AUTOGEN/SYSGEN/SYSMAN PARAM due to VMS structure.k > ; > Others?  Please send me a list and I'll make a composite.l >h > dave.  A somewhat unordered list:3 - SYSMAN on AXP supports more commands  than on VAXeH - DECnet/VAX has DDCMP support, it was not there in AXP/VMS V7.0 (may be now, I have no current docs) - VAX/VMS has no support for:d  = galaxiesa  = fibre channel  = memory channel0  = CDE (X manager)  = gigabit ethernetc  = javan  = Fortran90 (?)    - AXP/VMS has no support forh  = TDMSs3  = VAX C (not sure that is a feature or a blessing)aH  = SHO NET/OLD on AXP shows the executor both on the top line and in the	 node lista   Hans   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:36:12 -0700. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differencesF Message-ID: <OFC963BD88.B7E92596-ON07256D02.006B7CAA@rsc.raytheon.com>  > Thanks Hans, that's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for!   Any more contributions?o   dave.     ; "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> schreef in berichtn@ news:OFC8E9212E.5CB2D9C8-ON07256D02.0052972D@rsc.raytheon.com... > >David D Miller wrote: > >> > >> Folks:  > >>! > >> Is there an HP document thate > >>H > >> 1. Lists the differences between DCL commands on VAX/VMS 7.3 versus > >> Alpha/VMS 7.3-1?s > >>K > >> 2. Lists which layered products are available for one architecture buto > notP > >> the other?t > >>E > >> Or perhaps someone has composed such a list that I could borrow?e >u > David J. Dachtera replied ...r > D > >I've nothing formal, but AFAIK, the docset still identifies thoseI > >features that are architecture-specific. HELP does a lot of that also, 7 > >but it seems less reliable than the docset for that.o >i > >Dunno if that helps...  > H > Well, that's a source at least.  Rather a laborious task to search the docs! > however.  Has anyone done this?  >dD > I like to add a summary of the differences between the two VMSs in BaldwinsD > 2nd edition - but I don't have a whole lot of time to do research., > Differences off the top of my head are ... >e$ >    SHOW MEMORY due to architecture >    ODS-5 only on AlphaB >    SDA has different interface and commands due to VMS structure7 >    @AUTOGEN/SYSGEN/SYSMAN PARAM due to VMS structure.w >h; > Others?  Please send me a list and I'll make a composite.v >  > dave.a   Hans wrote ...   A somewhat unordered list:3 - SYSMAN on AXP supports more commands  than on VAXtH - DECnet/VAX has DDCMP support, it was not there in AXP/VMS V7.0 (may be now, I have no current docs) - VAX/VMS has no support for:t  = galaxiesa  = fibre channel  = memory channelt  = CDE (X manager)  = gigabit ethernet-  = java-  = Fortran90 (?)    - AXP/VMS has no support forr  = TDMSr3  = VAX C (not sure that is a feature or a blessing) H  = SHO NET/OLD on AXP shows the executor both on the top line and in the	 node listt   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:43:02 -0400A( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences* Message-ID: <3E937AA6.60509@tsoft-inc.com>  N On VAX, you run SYSGEN to AUTOCONFIGURE devices.  On Alpha you run SYSMAN IO. N Possibly other functionality implemented in SYSGEN on VAX is not in SYSGEN on 8 Alpha.  I don't do much of this, so don't have the list.   Dave     David D Miller wrote:p  @ > Thanks Hans, that's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for! >  > Any more contributions?  >  > dave.  >  > = > "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> schreef in berichtaB > news:OFC8E9212E.5CB2D9C8-ON07256D02.0052972D@rsc.raytheon.com... >  >>>David D Miller wrote: >>> 
 >>>>Folks: >>>>  >>>>Is there an HP document that >>>>G >>>>1. Lists the differences between DCL commands on VAX/VMS 7.3 versusn >>>>Alpha/VMS 7.3-1? >>>>J >>>>2. Lists which layered products are available for one architecture but >>>> >>note >> >>>>the other? >>>>D >>>>Or perhaps someone has composed such a list that I could borrow? >>>> >>David J. Dachtera replied ...  >> >>D >>>I've nothing formal, but AFAIK, the docset still identifies thoseI >>>features that are architecture-specific. HELP does a lot of that also,a7 >>>but it seems less reliable than the docset for that.m >>>  >>>Dunno if that helps...l >>>dH >>Well, that's a source at least.  Rather a laborious task to search the >> > docs > ! >>however.  Has anyone done this?u >>D >>I like to add a summary of the differences between the two VMSs in >>
 > Baldwins > D >>2nd edition - but I don't have a whole lot of time to do research., >>Differences off the top of my head are ... >>$ >>   SHOW MEMORY due to architecture >>   ODS-5 only on AlphaB >>   SDA has different interface and commands due to VMS structure7 >>   @AUTOGEN/SYSGEN/SYSMAN PARAM due to VMS structure.  >>; >>Others?  Please send me a list and I'll make a composite.  >> >>dave./ >> >  > Hans wrote ... >  > A somewhat unordered list:5 > - SYSMAN on AXP supports more commands  than on VAXpJ > - DECnet/VAX has DDCMP support, it was not there in AXP/VMS V7.0 (may be > now, I have no current docs) > - VAX/VMS has no support for:t
 >  = galaxiese >  = fibre channel >  = memory channel  >  = CDE (X manager) >  = gigabit ethernet 	 >  = java  >  = Fortran90 (?) >  >  - AXP/VMS has no support fors	 >  = TDMS'5 >  = VAX C (not sure that is a feature or a blessing)eJ >  = SHO NET/OLD on AXP shows the executor both on the top line and in the > node list= >  > Hans >  >  >  >  >  >      -- a4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:45:56 -0400e( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences, Message-ID: <3E937B54.4040803@tsoft-inc.com>  Q I'll keep remembering things peacemeal.  I think it's IEEE floating point that's wQ not supported on VAX, and the reason a number of things are not available on VAX.    Dave     David D Miller wrote:o  @ > Thanks Hans, that's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for! >  > Any more contributions?n >  > dave.  >  > = > "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> schreef in bericht B > news:OFC8E9212E.5CB2D9C8-ON07256D02.0052972D@rsc.raytheon.com... >  >>>David D Miller wrote: >>>_
 >>>>Folks: >>>>  >>>>Is there an HP document that >>>>G >>>>1. Lists the differences between DCL commands on VAX/VMS 7.3 versuse >>>>Alpha/VMS 7.3-1? >>>>J >>>>2. Lists which layered products are available for one architecture but >>>> >>notn >> >>>>the other? >>>>D >>>>Or perhaps someone has composed such a list that I could borrow? >>>> >>David J. Dachtera replied ...f >> >>D >>>I've nothing formal, but AFAIK, the docset still identifies thoseI >>>features that are architecture-specific. HELP does a lot of that also, 7 >>>but it seems less reliable than the docset for that.n >>>e >>>Dunno if that helps...  >>>TH >>Well, that's a source at least.  Rather a laborious task to search the >> > docs > ! >>however.  Has anyone done this?t >>D >>I like to add a summary of the differences between the two VMSs in >>
 > Baldwins > D >>2nd edition - but I don't have a whole lot of time to do research., >>Differences off the top of my head are ... >>$ >>   SHOW MEMORY due to architecture >>   ODS-5 only on AlphaB >>   SDA has different interface and commands due to VMS structure7 >>   @AUTOGEN/SYSGEN/SYSMAN PARAM due to VMS structure.s >>; >>Others?  Please send me a list and I'll make a composite.: >> >>dave.  >> >  > Hans wrote ... >  > A somewhat unordered list:5 > - SYSMAN on AXP supports more commands  than on VAXmJ > - DECnet/VAX has DDCMP support, it was not there in AXP/VMS V7.0 (may be > now, I have no current docs) > - VAX/VMS has no support for:1
 >  = galaxiesl >  = fibre channel >  = memory channelt >  = CDE (X manager) >  = gigabit ethernet 	 >  = java  >  = Fortran90 (?) >  >  - AXP/VMS has no support for9	 >  = TDMSS5 >  = VAX C (not sure that is a feature or a blessing)lJ >  = SHO NET/OLD on AXP shows the executor both on the top line and in the > node listo >  > Hans >  >  >  >  >  >      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:43:38 +0200$ From: "MikeR" <rechtman@tzora.co.il>& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences5 Message-ID: <b70btv$9khjj$1@ID-103225.news.dfncis.de>o  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message & news:3E937B54.4040803@tsoft-inc.com...K > I'll keep remembering things peacemeal.  I think it's IEEE floating point/ that'sK > not supported on VAX, and the reason a number of things are not availablem on VAX.  >e > Dave ...snipped..  . As e.g. no Mozilla and/or Apache (CSWS) on VAXE (I'm still looking for a compiled version of VAX Apache ... anyone??)p   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 12:15:26 -0700/1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)  Subject: Your opinion requested.= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0304081115.4da15305@posting.google.com>   D Please send your opinion on this project to the email listed below. F If you run into to problems just send me the email and I will forward.  
 Warm Regards,c Suee    6 ______________________________________________________3 Dear Online Documentation Library (ODL) Subscriber:d  E In an effort to improve and streamline the process for collecting andeB distributing information on the ODL,  we are assessing the need toE create an archival CD-ROM. This would contain legacy documentation in2F Bookreader format with the Bookreader Navigation Utility (BNU) to view
 the files.  E New documentation and updates would then be collected and issued as atE regular subscription in standard format of PDF or  HTML plus a simple8E search mechanism through a standard browser.  Documents in Bookreader E (BKB) format would no longer be included on the quarterly ODL updated  CDs.  @ We are interested in your thoughts and feedback on this proposedD process change and want to know if you see this as a benefit to your utilization of ODL.   $ Thank you in advance for your input.  B Please send responses to ODLCDROM@hp.com <mailto:ODLCDROM@hp.com>.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:47:25 GMTt" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG# Subject: Re: Your opinion requestedo0 Message-ID: <00A1E16E.9EBF30EE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <857e9e41.0304081115.4da15305@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:fE >Please send your opinion on this project to the email listed below. wG >If you run into to problems just send me the email and I will forward.) >  >Warm Regards, >Sue >- >-7 >______________________________________________________i4 >Dear Online Documentation Library (ODL) Subscriber: > F >In an effort to improve and streamline the process for collecting andC >distributing information on the ODL,  we are assessing the need to-F >create an archival CD-ROM. This would contain legacy documentation inG >Bookreader format with the Bookreader Navigation Utility (BNU) to viewu >the files.M >oF >New documentation and updates would then be collected and issued as aF >regular subscription in standard format of PDF or  HTML plus a simpleF >search mechanism through a standard browser.  Documents in BookreaderF >(BKB) format would no longer be included on the quarterly ODL updated >CDs.   C Since there will be room if the archive are place on a separate CD,m@ I vote for Bookreader to be included as well.  That seems fairlyA "standard" in the VMS realm since there is still no supported PDFeC viewer nor a VMS web browser that's worth anything more what we pay  for it.     A >We are interested in your thoughts and feedback on this proposed_E >process change and want to know if you see this as a benefit to yourJ >utilization of ODL.   I'd like to be able to read it.a  A I'd like also to be able to get into the hp.com/dpss site but theaA site is hostile to Mozilla.  This leave me suspect of any changestA to provide documentation in a non-VMS friendly/supported fashion.s     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMs            35   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" u   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 22:19:49 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl># Subject: Re: Your opinion requestedy5 Message-ID: <b6vate$9fecn$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>E   Sue,  K an ODL subscription is probably too expensive for a hobbyist user. But if IiJ could afford one then the bookreader format (and a bookreader plus PAK) is quite useful with VMS.C Offering PDF, PS or HTML formats forces VMS users to use "unnatural K equipment" or third party products of varying quality.  I use ghostview and>D XPDF to read PS and PDF files and it most of the time it works, bothL packagaes occasionally complain that they cannot deal with certain features.E The Netscape version that I use is so old it is beyond practical use.r Haven't tried Mozilla.   Hans  @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht7 news:857e9e41.0304081115.4da15305@posting.google.com...iE > Please send your opinion on this project to the email listed below.eH > If you run into to problems just send me the email and I will forward. >d > Warm Regards,e > Suee >l >e8 > ______________________________________________________5 > Dear Online Documentation Library (ODL) Subscriber:g >iG > In an effort to improve and streamline the process for collecting andnD > distributing information on the ODL,  we are assessing the need toG > create an archival CD-ROM. This would contain legacy documentation innH > Bookreader format with the Bookreader Navigation Utility (BNU) to view > the files. >,G > New documentation and updates would then be collected and issued as asG > regular subscription in standard format of PDF or  HTML plus a simpleoG > search mechanism through a standard browser.  Documents in BookreaderdG > (BKB) format would no longer be included on the quarterly ODL updatedh > CDs. >tB > We are interested in your thoughts and feedback on this proposedF > process change and want to know if you see this as a benefit to your > utilization of ODL.) > & > Thank you in advance for your input. > D > Please send responses to ODLCDROM@hp.com <mailto:ODLCDROM@hp.com>.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:54:43 -0300 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Re: Your opinion requestedo/ Message-ID: <3E932902.F3BAAC72@vl.videotron.ca>e  3 (I have sent this separately to the email address).r  5 re: dropping bookreader format for new documentation.e  L Until you can get Adobe to make their acrobat reader for VMS on both VAX and5 Alpha available, you must not drop Bookreader format.i  M If you must read the documentation on another machime you lose the ability toa5 cut/past code examples etc into your VMS workstation.w  N I have nothing against the PDF format when properly done. But I have something7 against VMS documentation that cannot be viewed on VMS.   H And while I am at it, in the bookmarks, when you define destination, youR should set the /View to be either 100% zoom or fitwidth instead of fit whole page.  E Here is what happens now: you open the bookmarks, find the section ofaK interest, click on it. The desired page then appears in reduced for (to fit M the area to the right of bookmarks). Then you, remove the bookmarks, the pagerJ is redrawn a little bit bigger , but still too small, and then you have toK manually go into the zoom to bring it to 100%, and you must repeat this for ) ever bookamrk to click on. Very annoying.e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.195 ************************