1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 196       Contents:3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) + Re: Announcing HP Availability Manager V2.3 8 dabs.com - how nice to receive e-mail from a VMS system!< Re: dabs.com - how nice to receive e-mail from a VMS system!& Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& RE: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX; Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug ' Re: Earth to Andrew, do you get it now? ' Re: Earth to Andrew, do you get it now? ' Re: ES40 - convert tower to rack mount?  Framemaker to Bookreader ? Re: Framemaker to Bookreader ? Re: HSZ40 woes Re: in need for vms 5.5-2  Re: in need for vms 5.5-2  Re: in need for vms 5.5-2  Interbase Client for VMS?  Re: LUV VMS ( Re: Perl available as a layered product?( Re: Perl available as a layered product?( Re: Perl available as a layered product?( Re: Perl available as a layered product?; Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /page ; Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /page ; Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /page ; Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /page ! Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300 ! Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300  read, write, creat, ... " Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP Re: Resetting error count  Re: Resetting error count ) roadmaps (was: RE: Resetting error count) ( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.+ SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work. (SWAT) / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... / Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...  Re: TCPIP XDM service problem  Re: unix screen command  Re: unix screen command  Re: unix screen command  RE: unix screen command  Re: unix screen command  Re: unix screen command  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  RE: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  RE: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  RE: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  wxPython Re: wxPython' Xwindows: clipboard change notification  Re: Your opinion requested Re: Your opinion requested  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 07:34:14 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)3 Message-ID: <Y00L1ITvQIMl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <bpDka.87915$pNv.15668@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > 3 > "JustMe" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca> wrote in message 6 > news:32tha.8856$D24.1069011@news20.bellglobal.com...B >> Quite amazing that Mr. Harrison is always so self-assured (read
 > "arrogant") C >> I wonder how he'll spin it when Sun ultimately hits the dust-bin  > (which* >> might just be sooner rather than later) >  > > > Andrew would spin the demise of Sun as a strategic marketing) > technique....."We are the dot in .bomb"   E    Sun getting in trouble?  That must be why they've started spamming     the fellow down the hall.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:31:51 -04000 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>4 Subject: Re: Announcing HP Availability Manager V2.3$ Message-ID: <3e944af1$1@news.si.com>  G >Okay, so I go to Hunter Goatley's web page which directs me to Process 
 Software's. >http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html( >and there is no LYNX there to download. >Where is it available?   J http://lynx.browser.org/ or http://lynx.isc.org/release/ . Current version is 2.8.3 --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:31:08 +0100  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> A Subject: dabs.com - how nice to receive e-mail from a VMS system! ) Message-ID: <3E93F66E.C0EE19F7@Omond.net>   A I buy a fair amount of peripherals and sundry stuff from dabs.com A (see http://www.dabs.com) in the UK.  I know their back-end stuff C is all running on VMS, but I was still very pleased to see that the  order @ confirmation e-mails they send out are being sent from their VMS environment (MX).   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 12:43:12 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> E Subject: Re: dabs.com - how nice to receive e-mail from a VMS system! ; Message-ID: <01KUIVFVY6P8AH3CVK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > I buy a fair amount of peripherals and sundry stuff from dabs.com (seeE > http://www.dabs.com) in the UK.  I know their back-end stuff is all D > running on VMS, but I was still very pleased to see that the orderB > confirmation e-mails they send out are being sent from their VMS > environment (MX).   I Search the archives for a thread in which Steve Lionel explains how user  I support for Compaq (now HP, presumably) Visual Fortran is handled from a  ; VMS system, using a Fortran program and callable MAIL IIRC.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 00:50 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) / Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX , Message-ID: <9APR200300505081@gerg.tamu.edu>   brandon@dalsemi.com writes... N }However, a point made earlier - about using NTP and one server as an anchor. K }That might work.  Have a VMS server slow/speed up the clock while the UNIX 6 }servers peer off that VMS server.  That is a thougth. } 
 }John Brandon   G One problem you might run into is that, as I recall, NTP will only slew B a clock by at most 10% (i.e. speed it up or slow it down by 10%) -A actually I'm not certain that it will even do it by that much, it H may be only 1%. Changing by 1 hour over 5 hours is a 20% clock slowdown.J Anything larger than the limit and you will end up (maybe) slewing brieflyJ then stepping the clock then reacquiring synch and (maybe) slewing brieflyH then stepping the clock then reacquiring synch (reapeat ad-nausiam for 5 hours).   I The steps will be small, but if you are going to mess things up that much F you might just as well step the hour all at once and get it over with.  D All in all, the best solution is for the relevant governmental typesD to get rid of the moronic daylight savings time. It is just a stupid9 idea that should have never been used in the first place.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:23:37 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>/ Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX ) Message-ID: <3E93D889.FE549E7E@127.0.0.1>    brandon@dalsemi.com wrote: > L > I have MACRO code that allows me to speed-up or slow-down the internal VMS. > clock one-hour over five-hours (adjustable). > K > On the Alpha the registers are G^EXE$GL_TIMEADJUST & G^EXE$GL_TICKLENGTH.  > L > Does anyone know of a similiar method that could be used for UNIX servers?  H As a matter of opinion about timekeeping on VMS systems, I'd really like@ the internal time to be UTC, and the display time to be whateverA timezone you are in. I believe that is the way it should be done.   H Implementing it would be quite tricky though. You'd need to re-write theF PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM routine which would needA to know the timezone details. Something for the Itanium console ?   E (I believe one or two of the Y2K products around can do this timezone  display stuff already)   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 03 05:55:05 PST  From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com / Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX ( Message-ID: <L01MNdYLjHy8@cpva.saic.com>  1 In article <3E938BA4.4E6A45E@firstdbasource.com>, 4  Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > brandon@dalsemi.com wrote: >>  S >> > From a purely pedantic point of view, isn't it better to have the applications Q >> > store dates/time in GMT (which doesn't change) and then have the application O >> > update its GMT offset at the same time as you move clock ahead/back ? This R >> > way, records of transactions are still stored in order and still no duplicate= >> > times, and you get accurate times for your transactions.  >>  P >> Ahhhhh... perfect world.  The software is not designed to store in GMT - thatM >> would require major code changes.  That is why we slow or speed the clock.  >>  O >> However, a point made earlier - about using NTP and one server as an anchor. M >> That might work.  Have a VMS server slow/speed up the clock while the UNIX 8 >> servers peer off that VMS server.  That is a thougth. >>   >> John Brandon  >> VMS Systems Administrator >> Dallas Semiconductor  >> john.brandon@dalsemi.com  >> 972.371.4172 wk >> 972.371.4003 fx >  > care to share the macro? >   6 Unwrap the following URL and see the message string at  ; http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm= & 1996Oct23.091504%40ittpub&rnum=1&prev=; /groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26q%3DVMS%2BTBO    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:59:21 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> / Subject: RE: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEHOGPAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- / >From: Carl Perkins [mailto:carl@gerg.tamu.edu] ' >Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:50 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 >Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX >  >  >brandon@dalsemi.com writes...C >}However, a point made earlier - about using NTP and one server as  >an anchor. L >}That might work.  Have a VMS server slow/speed up the clock while the UNIX7 >}servers peer off that VMS server.  That is a thougth.  >} >}John Brandon > H >One problem you might run into is that, as I recall, NTP will only slewC >a clock by at most 10% (i.e. speed it up or slow it down by 10%) - B >actually I'm not certain that it will even do it by that much, itI >may be only 1%. Changing by 1 hour over 5 hours is a 20% clock slowdown. K >Anything larger than the limit and you will end up (maybe) slewing briefly K >then stepping the clock then reacquiring synch and (maybe) slewing briefly I >then stepping the clock then reacquiring synch (reapeat ad-nausiam for 5  >hours). > J >The steps will be small, but if you are going to mess things up that muchG >you might just as well step the hour all at once and get it over with.  > E >All in all, the best solution is for the relevant governmental types E >to get rid of the moronic daylight savings time. It is just a stupid : >idea that should have never been used in the first place.  D I don't agree, it improves the quality of life.  Now Fred can get in 18-holes
 after work:-)  > 	 >--- Carl  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). @ >Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 15:16:28 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)/ Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX 5 Message-ID: <b71dgb$a08ev$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   9 In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEHOGPAA.tom@kednos.com>, & 	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: >  >  >>-----Original Message-----0 >>From: Carl Perkins [mailto:carl@gerg.tamu.edu]( >>Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:50 PM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 >>Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX  >>F >>All in all, the best solution is for the relevant governmental typesF >>to get rid of the moronic daylight savings time. It is just a stupid; >>idea that should have never been used in the first place.  > F > I don't agree, it improves the quality of life.  Now Fred can get in
 > 18-holes > after work:-)   G What!!!  You mean he's only putting in half days now!!  If he was truly H dedicated it would be dark when he arrived at work and dark when he went2 home, too.                                     :-)   bill  B (Carl, run over and ask Willis Marti if he misses the all nighters, we used to pull in our pre-academic years!!)   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 10:26:35 -0700 , From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow)/ Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX = Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0304090926.2f2727f6@posting.google.com>   [ carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<9APR200300505081@gerg.tamu.edu>... F > All in all, the best solution is for the relevant governmental typesF > to get rid of the moronic daylight savings time. It is just a stupid; > idea that should have never been used in the first place.  > 
 > --- Carl   Agreed.   F Businesses that are open 24 hours a day currently must lose an hour inE their logs or write comments that a certain event occurred at 1:30 AM F before the time change or at 1:30 AM after the time change in October.  1 We are "smart" enough to adjust to the situation. 5 We should all adopt Universal Time Coordinated (UTC).   D East Coast USA could open businesses (8 AM to 5 PM) from 1300 UTC to	 2300 UTC. E West Coast USA could open businesses from 1600 UTC to 0200 UTC of the 	 next day.   B When you fly for six hours from West Coast to East Coast from 6AM,4  you would leave at 1400 UTC and arrive at 2000 UTC., No need to reset your watch when you arrive.  @ If schools want to open earlier or later based upon when the sun rises,6 then open school at 1300 UTC during months W through X6 and open school at 1400 UTC during months Y through Z.F Businesses would (should) adjust the hours that their "9 to 5" workers arriveA knowing that many parents drive their kids to school before work.   F When people complained about programmers and year 2000, it was becauseE of the cost of disk space. I spent $1000 for a CP/M 10Mb Trantor hard 
 disk in 1987. > I have the disk drive and I think I know where the receipt is.  D People could "complain" that programmers were equally wrong to storeC times based upon their local time zones instead of storing date and 
 times in UTC.   D Well, that will keep programmers busy with conversion programs for a while. imho   Jim Strehlow Alameda, CA, USA   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 07:47:08 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)D Subject: Re: DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0304090647.491e9a85@posting.google.com>   m Gerald Marsh <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3nf69voef74qpqbl2i5lbm9ceo6hhm2doh@4ax.com>... B > On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:32:23 -0500, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >  > > ; > >DCL anomoly - documented, but I think it's really a bug.  > > - > >I'm just not sure exactly what the bug is.  >  > <Major snip> > H > (Sorry if I've got this wrong - I do not have an OpenVMS ssytem here.) >  > A few real bugs are: > 4 > 1. Typing FRED within a command procedure (or even? > A_REAL_IMPORTANT_COMMAND) will only produce a warning and the  > procedure will continue;     Place        $ ON WARNING THEN EXIT  0 or similar at the top of your command procedure.    E Other commands, like IF... will also produce only warnings. If you're 2 worried about this, make use of the command above.    	 > 2. Try:  >  $ sym1=%x77777777 >  $ sho sym sym1  > $ sym1 = sym1 + 1  > $ sho sym sym1 >  > What happened to INTOVF?    @ I've been using VMS since 1985 and I can't believe I never triedF dividing by zero in DCL until a few months ago! Anyway, this is a good thread to post this in:    $   SYMBOL = 'P1'  $   SH SYM SYMBOL  $   EXIT( $! The 3 lines above are the SI command. $! $ SI 0/0;   SYMBOL = 2147483647   Hex = 7FFFFFFF  Octal = 17777777777  $ SI 1/0;   SYMBOL = 2147483647   Hex = 7FFFFFFF  Octal = 17777777777 	 $ SI -1/0 <   SYMBOL = -2147483648   Hex = 80000000  Octal = 20000000000
 $ SI -1/-0<   SYMBOL = -2147483648   Hex = 80000000  Octal = 20000000000	 $ SI 1/-0 ;   SYMBOL = 2147483647   Hex = 7FFFFFFF  Octal = 17777777777  $   E This doesn't overflow either. But this *is* documented (well, not for ( division by zero, specifically, anyway).  @ Has anyone ever gotten into trouble because of divbyzero in DCL?   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 11:54:07 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: Earth to Andrew, do you get it now?3 Message-ID: <5VY91zzxpklc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <qbQvjT0nsghS@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: j > In article <d7791aa1.0303301807.7412168f@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: >>  : >> One of the good things in OpenVMS are the Descriptors.  > / >    Which C doens't use unless you tell it to.   B C also does not use null-terminated strings unless you tell it to.B It will create them by default, but depending on them requires the0 programmer call certain risky runtime functions.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 11:52:07 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: Earth to Andrew, do you get it now?3 Message-ID: <BXvk$GK+T+HL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3E88202E.4020009@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:  E > No this is untrue you are not insulated against buffer overflows in @ > OpenVMS, this is just another myth. You are more insulated but > not insulated.  E If you look up common use of the word "insulated" as applied to heat, H you will see that home insulation comes in various R- values to indicate the degree of insulation.   E If you look at the characteristics of electrical insulation, you will A see it is rated at a particular voltage (usually kilovolt) level.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:47:25 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)0 Subject: Re: ES40 - convert tower to rack mount?/ Message-ID: <hLTka.506$em3.54@news.cpqcorp.net>   @ For the official answer you will have to go to the Alpha Systems/ support page or contact a local support person.   
 Unofficially:   A An ES45 is about 31 inches deep.  You might get it into a cabinet A with 25 inches between the rails if it's one of the cabinets that ? has extra space in front of and behind the rails (some cabinets , have rear extensions), but it won't be easy.  < Also please keep in mind that an ES45 is heavy, and when you= pull it out of the cabinet there is a very real danger of the : cabinet tipping over unless it's properly counter-weighted; and / or there are the proper extension support feet on the ? cabinet, or you have some other really solid bracing which will ! prevent the cabinet from tipping.   ; I think it would be a lot safer to order the proper cabinet  which was made to hold an ES45.    --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 03:51:28 -0300 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Framemaker to Bookreader ? / Message-ID: <3E93C2D9.B80DC352@vl.videotron.ca>   M I have found some books in Adobe Framemaker format. Is there a way to convert 5 those to DECdocumeht and then to Bookreader format ?    N I have PDF versions, but they are without bookmark/index. I'd like to crease a= usable on-line book (reference manuals of Motif programming).    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 07:42:27 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Framemaker to Bookreader ? 3 Message-ID: <TPcQV8TTR9dQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3E93C2D9.B80DC352@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:O > I have found some books in Adobe Framemaker format. Is there a way to convert 7 > those to DECdocumeht and then to Bookreader format ?    8    The old reliable paper-human interface somes to mind.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:32:10 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>  Subject: Re: HSZ40 woes 3 Message-ID: <3E943CFA.9E8BB71D@applied-synergy.com>    Doc Octopus wrote: >  > [posted and mailed]  > # > Where do you see the SWXCR-05/04?   H It's on the handle of the card.  I have been informed that a SWXCR-04 is' a HSZ40-B and a SWXCR-05 is a HSZ40-C.    G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 08:58:46 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>" Subject: Re: in need for vms 5.5-2( Message-ID: <3E93D2B6.F07C7CF@127.0.0.1>   Kevin Handy wrote: > 
 > Alex wrote: 
 > > hi folks,  > > $ > > I'm looking for vms 5.5-2 media.) > > Does anybody know, where to get this. A > > I owned a cd with vms 5.5 but only have the dist cds anymore. @ > > New versions aren't an option at all because of the licenses > > I have are for 5.5 > >  > > thanks in advance  > 1 > Have you tried your licenses on newer versions? < > I don't think they are usually tied to a specific version.   It is not as simple as that.  F When you buy your system with licences, the version you are allowed toD use is the version which was the current release when you bought the	 licences.   7 You statement may be technically true, but not legally.   E You can only run later version if you either had a right to update in G force at the time relevant to the version you want, or you paid for the E rights to upgrade. If you paid for rights to upgrade today, you could H run 7.3 (today) or any lower version. e.g. if this system was bought andH licensed at VMS 5.4, and you wished to upgrade it merely to 5.5-2, you'dC *still* have to buy the upgrade which allows you to today's current  version.  B As a matter of interest Digital/Compaq/HP can trace every licence,> including the sublicences, and can and have been auditing someD companies. We've also taken part in this process and we have our own licence auditing systems.   G In your case, with licences for 5.5, you can also run 5.5-2, similar to G the way that a [Alpha] system bought with a 7.3 licence is eligible for % 7.3-1 and 7.3-2 when it is released.    H Be careful with media though, some of the 5.5, 5.5-2, the remastered andE the H4 variants are quite specific in how they can be used to upgrade  systems. --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 09:28:37 -0700 " From: alex.schamari@gmx.net (Alex)" Subject: Re: in need for vms 5.5-2; Message-ID: <c72bf925.0304090828.a784bb@posting.google.com>   	 hi folks,    " > I'm looking for vms 5.5-2 media.' > Does anybody know, where to get this. ? > I owned a cd with vms 5.5 but only have the dist cds anymore. > > New versions aren't an option at all because of the licenses > I have are for 5.5  7 Thanks for the offers - I have found a solution nearby.   9 Upgrading isn't an option due to the software limitations  that requires 5.5.= I know about the limitations for upgrading to newer versions. ? But I find it very interesting that with a new (7.3 eg) license # I could use any older version, too.  Can anybody confirm that?    Thanks all for the help,   alex   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:10:23 -04000 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>" Subject: Re: in need for vms 5.5-2$ Message-ID: <3e9445e9$1@news.si.com>  0 >Have you tried your licenses on newer versions?; >I don't think they are usually tied to a specific version.   L Perhaps not technically, but morally, certainly.  When you license a versionI of VMS, you are granted the right to use that and prior versions, but not 6 later versions.  For that you need and update license. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:07:43 +02001 From: "Rainer Queck" <Rainer.Queck@Grenzebach.de> " Subject: Interbase Client for VMS?5 Message-ID: <b71d18$9vqe3$1@ID-174476.news.dfncis.de>    Hi,   - I'm looking for a InterbaseClient on OpenVMS. 1 I've searched the web, but I' cant find a Client! H Can you give my any information about the existence of a IntebaseClient?   Thanks Rainer   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:03:42 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: LUV VMS; Message-ID: <01KUIPSOQJS2A9LL1B@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   C > That said, there's no way you could afford a car like that in the J > Netherlands. With our roadtax, petrol price and BPM a Corvette is surely< > not within reach of the average dutch VMS system manager.   E Perhaps.  On the other hand, public transportation is reasonably good @ and reasonably cheap.  And there are lots of other things in theE Netherlands which cannot be obtained---at least not legally :-) ---in  the States for any price.  :-D  I As always, the only relevant question is: doing MY job, in which country  * can I better live the life I want to live?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:32:55 -0400+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> 1 Subject: Re: Perl available as a layered product? , Message-ID: <3e941435_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  L Perl 5.6.1 for OpenVMS is available from Hewlett Packard as a PCSI-installedH kit. The software is free and formal support is included in your OpenVMS maintenance contract.   . You can download it from the OpenVMS web site:  G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_modperl.html   L It's also shipped on the "OpenVMS e-Business Infrastructure Package" CD-ROM.> The part number is QA-6LYAA-H8. There is a fee for the CD-ROM.  D The Perl kit contains the Perl interpreter and a handfull of usefullI packages -- all supported. You can add a Perl package of your choice, but - add-on Perl packages are not supported by HP.   G We upgrade the Perl kit at regular intervals to keep pace with the Perl J distributions that have been in the field for a while, but we don't aim toF be on the bleeding edge. If you need that, you'll need to download the@ particular Perl baselevel you require from http://www.cpan.org/.  
 Rick Barry Secure Web Server Team OpenVMS System Software Group  Hewlett Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 07:39:35 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 1 Subject: Re: Perl available as a layered product? 3 Message-ID: <5N9s$vcBBwvg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <139d5a58.0304081216.29fab4cd@posting.google.com>, cgilley@bravewc.com (Charles Gilley) writes:E > I currently work in a place that won't use software unless they pay 	 > for it. G > One project I am working on may require Perl.  Several of the links I F > have found imply that it may be available as a "layered product" butF > others point to a perl for openvms site.  Now I know that the sourceF > is available, can be compiled on openVMS, but my place of employmentG > cannot compute this - they need something that says "Perl for OpenVMS 6 > ..... $25,000" and then they'll install it.  sigh... > C > Ignoring the silly price comment (frustration coming through), is F > there an orderable product for openVMS Perl?  Perhaps a web services+ > CD compiling Apache, Secure Telnet, etc.?   G    You want somebody who's willing to charge for it?  Seems to me there /    are enough VMS consultants looking for work.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 08:35:40 -0400 5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> 1 Subject: Re: Perl available as a layered product? 2 Message-ID: <hBKUPjf+BvlrA3DwHVi++AXGYSA8@4ax.com>  B On 8 Apr 2003 13:16:41 -0700, cgilley@bravewc.com (Charles Gilley) wrote:  D >I currently work in a place that won't use software unless they pay >for it.F >One project I am working on may require Perl.  Several of the links IE >have found imply that it may be available as a "layered product" but E >others point to a perl for openvms site.  Now I know that the source E >is available, can be compiled on openVMS, but my place of employment F >cannot compute this - they need something that says "Perl for OpenVMS5 >..... $25,000" and then they'll install it.  sigh...  > B >Ignoring the silly price comment (frustration coming through), isE >there an orderable product for openVMS Perl?  Perhaps a web services * >CD compiling Apache, Secure Telnet, etc.? >  >Thanks  >  >Charlie  E     I suspect Perl falls into the same service model as Compaq Secure F Web Server, Compaq Secure Web Browser, Java, and the other open sourceA tools ported to VMS by HP VMS Support.  If you have a VMS service : agreement, I would think these fall within that agreement.  F     As others have noted, you can download Perl for free.  Many of the# open source tools can be found from 4 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ebusiness/technology.html.  7     Sue or Kerry should be able to confirm the support.    David R. Beatty  SAS Institute, Inc.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 06:44:37 -0700 * From: cgilley@bravewc.com (Charles Gilley)1 Subject: Re: Perl available as a layered product? = Message-ID: <139d5a58.0304090544.2d702186@posting.google.com>   A For the record - apparantly, I have misunderstood the policy :).  B Misunderstandings occur when you don't write the policy down, so ID have some defense.  The company's position is based on a concern forD support.  So, if I have source for a product, a code review needs to= occur, peer analysis, etc., and a large dose of common sense.   C I appreciate all of the offers and bidding ;).  I've forwarded this B thread to my manager for a few laughs and to see about the general? attitude of employing perl.  We have a crash development effort E underway for something, so productivity may help us sell what we want  to do.  
 Thanks again.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2003 23:05:15 -0700 # From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) D Subject: Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /page= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0304082205.63eb43de@posting.google.com>   i "Ingemar Olson" <bio2935c@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<F7dlb9rXg5wlSe9F6EB000005dc@hotmail.com>... , > This (cf: the title) doesn't seem to work. > M > I've created two modules in the device library (biosetu and biopage), each  ; > containing just a line of text saying which module it is.  >  > When I define a form: 7 > BIOTEST (stock=DEFAULT)                 999   BIOTEST 7 >     /LENGTH=66 /PAGE_SETUP=(BIOPAGE) /SETUP=(BIOSETU)  > % > and $ print /form=biotest hello.txt  > C > what I get on the printer is one page with the text from the page K > module followed by a second page with text from the page module plus the   > "hello" file. 0 > Ie: no sign of the text from the setup module. >  > defining the form as: 7 > BIOTEST (stock=DEFAULT)                 999   BIOTEST ! >     /LENGTH=66 /SETUP=(BIOSETU) J > gives me a page with the setup module's text followed by a page with my  > "hello" file.  >  > defining the form as:e7 > BIOTEST (stock=DEFAULT)                 999   BIOTESTn& >     /LENGTH=66 /PAGE_SETUP=(BIOPAGE)J > gives me a single page with the page module's text and the "hello" file. > O > I don't care about the multiple pages (it's just a test) but it seems that I eO > can't get both the "setup" and "page" modules to work at the same time. It's  N > behaving as if the contents of the "page" module is being activated instead N > of the "setup" module when I ask for both (hence the _double_ appearance of  > the "page" text).  > N > The manual doesn't mention anything about these parameters being exclusive. 7 > Does anyone have any ideas on why this isn't working?e > D > This looks like a bug to me, but is it in VMS, or Multinet? Or ...  > I'm not in a position to tell. > N > Can someone who is not using Multinet please try to replicate my experiment? Using :-?   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 1e6   on a AlphaStation 200 4/166 running OpenVMS V7.2-1  -   to an hp laserjet 5 running on an lpr queueo( I get the exact opposite of your results. ie. I get the /setup or "start of job" printed7 while the /page_setup or "start of page" is not printede Phil   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 07:47:11 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.orgD Subject: Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /page3 Message-ID: <uxUNM9JumcIa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <F7dlb9rXg5wlSe9F6EB000005dc@hotmail.com>, "Ingemar Olson" <bio2935c@hotmail.com> writes:, > This (cf: the title) doesn't seem to work. > M > I've created two modules in the device library (biosetu and biopage), each  ; > containing just a line of text saying which module it is.  >  > When I define a form: 7 > BIOTEST (stock=DEFAULT)                 999   BIOTESTo7 >     /LENGTH=66 /PAGE_SETUP=(BIOPAGE) /SETUP=(BIOSETU)l > % > and $ print /form=biotest hello.txte  B A setup module that produces printable text automatically triggersA a page break.  You may have some unexpected behavior due to this.s  A Some print queues are multi-threaded, running more than one queuef; from a single symbiont.  If you manipulate setup modules ini> device control libraries you need to stop the symbiont processA (stopping all queues on the symbiont is the clean way to do this)r8 and restart it to get it to look at the updated library.  ( One handy way to make test queues is to:  C $ SET TERMINAL /PERM /DEVICE=LA120 /FORM /TAB /WID=132 /NOBROADCAST- $ SHOW TERM- $ LOGOUT /NOHANG  ! Now, go in on another session and   5 $ INIT /QUEUE /TERMINAL /ON=your-terminal-name /STARTn  H and you get to watch the print file output on your old terminal session.C If you have a real terminal and not some dimwitted emulator you can C even turn on "display controls" instead of "interpret controls" ands3 see escape sequences and form feeds on your screen.J   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:36:05 -0700g, From: "Ingemar Olson" <bio2935c@hotmail.com>D Subject: Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /page5 Message-ID: <F62LxYDxR1HE8yIeLoT0001cf2d@hotmail.com>w  $ >From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)( >Reply-To: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComE >Subject: Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /pageg  >Date: 8 Apr 2003 23:05:15 -0700 >e9 >"Ingemar Olson" <bio2935c@hotmail.com> wrote in message -2 >news:<F7dlb9rXg5wlSe9F6EB000005dc@hotmail.com>.... > > This (cf: the title) doesn't seem to work. > >rJ > > I've created two modules in the device library (biosetu and biopage),  >each$= > > containing just a line of text saying which module it is.h > >i > > When I define a form:a9 > > BIOTEST (stock=DEFAULT)                 999   BIOTESTt9 > >     /LENGTH=66 /PAGE_SETUP=(BIOPAGE) /SETUP=(BIOSETU)  > >t' > > and $ print /form=biotest hello.txt. > >eE > > what I get on the printer is one page with the text from the pagetL > > module followed by a second page with text from the page module plus the > > "hello" file.M2 > > Ie: no sign of the text from the setup module. > >t (snip) > >rJ > > I don't care about the multiple pages (it's just a test) but it seems  >that I L > > can't get both the "setup" and "page" modules to work at the same time.  >It's H > > behaving as if the contents of the "page" module is being activated  >insteadM > > of the "setup" module when I ask for both (hence the _double_ appearance r >ofa > > the "page" text).m > >.E > > The manual doesn't mention anything about these parameters being   >exclusive.i9 > > Does anyone have any ideas on why this isn't working?r > > F > > This looks like a bug to me, but is it in VMS, or Multinet? Or ..." > > I'm not in a position to tell. > >tE > > Can someone who is not using Multinet please try to replicate my   >experiment?	 >Using :-iA >   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 1o6 >   on a AlphaStation 200 4/166 running OpenVMS V7.2-1/ >   to an hp laserjet 5 running on an lpr queuee) >I get the exact opposite of your resultsa/ >ie. I get the /setup or "start of job" printedw8 >while the /page_setup or "start of page" is not printed >Philu  I So if I understand that correctly, you got the /setup info printed twice iH (whereas I got the /page info twice). That would imply that neither the M Multinet nor the lpr print symbiont does this "correctly". Which I find hard  K to believe. Is the "correct" behavior actually explicitly defined anywhere?   E And I'm still interested in hearing from someone else using Multinet.-   Ingemar-  A _________________________________________________________________l9 The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*   + http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:47:17 -0700u, From: "Ingemar Olson" <bio2935c@hotmail.com>D Subject: Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /page5 Message-ID: <F547pmMwY15pqw13ib30000b380@hotmail.com>.   >From: briggs@encompasserve.org # >Reply-To: briggs@encompasserve.orgl >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComE >Subject: Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /pagey  >Date: 9 Apr 2003 07:47:11 -0500 > G >In article <F7dlb9rXg5wlSe9F6EB000005dc@hotmail.com>, "Ingemar Olson" a ><bio2935c@hotmail.com> writes:r. > > This (cf: the title) doesn't seem to work. > >gJ > > I've created two modules in the device library (biosetu and biopage),  >eachy= > > containing just a line of text saying which module it is.u > >f > > When I define a form: 9 > > BIOTEST (stock=DEFAULT)                 999   BIOTESTm9 > >     /LENGTH=66 /PAGE_SETUP=(BIOPAGE) /SETUP=(BIOSETU)g > > ' > > and $ print /form=biotest hello.txto >sC >A setup module that produces printable text automatically triggersgB >a page break.  You may have some unexpected behavior due to this. >uB >Some print queues are multi-threaded, running more than one queue< >from a single symbiont.  If you manipulate setup modules in? >device control libraries you need to stop the symbiont processaB >(stopping all queues on the symbiont is the clean way to do this)9 >and restart it to get it to look at the updated library.p >-) >One handy way to make test queues is to:n >oD >$ SET TERMINAL /PERM /DEVICE=LA120 /FORM /TAB /WID=132 /NOBROADCAST >$ SHOW TERM >$ LOGOUT /NOHANGI >E" >Now, go in on another session and >i6 >$ INIT /QUEUE /TERMINAL /ON=your-terminal-name /START >tI >and you get to watch the print file output on your old terminal session.nD >If you have a real terminal and not some dimwitted emulator you canD >even turn on "display controls" instead of "interpret controls" and4 >see escape sequences and form feeds on your screen. >e
 >	John BriggsD  M I do have a separate queue with its own library (for testing). And I do know t@ to stop and restart it in order to populate the library modules.  L My "original" problem did not produce printable text. I introduced that for I the purpose of this test, so I can see what is coming out. Surely if the sH print symbiont is actually sending both modules to the printer then the M printer itself cannot decide to substitute one for the other??? How would it S' know which text came from which module?a  L So if I see the same text printing twice I _assume_ the printer received it J from the symbiont twice. And that's the problem: I asked for two separate - modules, but what I got was one module twice.t   Ingemart  A _________________________________________________________________ = Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.  s0 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 04:33:41 -0700n% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)o* Subject: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0304090333.59fb5e0e@posting.google.com>e  D One more item of information: VMS731_LAN-V0200 had the same problem.F If you have installed the V2 or V3 ECO or both, your system will stillC boot with the APB.EXE from V1 or the instalation kit unless you run  WRITEBOOT.EXE manually.p  	 Bart Zorno  j Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) wrote in message news:<a98cd882.0304080724.44ce8cfa@posting.google.com>..._ > John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1030408021011.2426B-100000@Ives.egh.com>... ; > > It replaces APB.EXE and doesn't seem to do a WRITEBOOT.r > > @ > > I wrote a long post describing all the details and this damnB > > POS ported-from-unix crap Pine decided to spontaneaously abort; > > and threw it all away, when I was about 1 sentence from6= > > completing.  I could have recovered about half of it from94 > > my DECTerm scrollback buffer, but I'm too PO'ed. > > @ > > Anyway, if you install VMS731_LAN-V0300 (and probably -V0200A > > also), update the bootstrap with WRITEBOOT (sys mgr's manual,s= > > pages 4-19 & 4-20) before attempting to reboot.  (You canS< > > also do this from the dist CD-ROM, if it comes to that.) > , > It could be uglier than what you describe. > G > On one system, which has VMS731_LAN-V0200 installed, I installed just G > today VMS731_LAN-V0300. The reboot is planned for later this evening.a% > In SYS$SYSTEM I have the following:  >  > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]a > . > APB.EXE;1            17-DEC-2002 07:42:43.77. > APB.EXE_OLD;2        17-DEC-2002 07:42:43.77. > APB.EXE_OLD;1        18-JUL-2002 19:54:09.38 >  > Total of 3 files.u > H > It seems to me, that if VMS731_LAN-V0300 does not do a WRITEBOOT, thatE > the current bootblock still points to APB.EXE_OLD;2, which is still C > present. The system will just boot fine. What's more, APB.EXE ande% > APB.EXE_OLD are probably identical.t > F > Trouble starts when you finally decide to do the long due cleanup of5 > the system disk and you delete all *.EXE_OLD files!a > 
 > Regards, >  > Bart Zorns   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:40:20 -0400m& From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>* Subject: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V03002 Message-ID: <3E9430D4.451D92A5@clarityconnect.com>  : This issue will be resolved shortly with the issuance of aE VMS731_LAN-V0400 kit.  Hopefully the holes in the kit creation systeml1 that allowed this to happen are also plugged now.i   Bart Zorn wrote: > F > One more item of information: VMS731_LAN-V0200 had the same problem.H > If you have installed the V2 or V3 ECO or both, your system will stillE > boot with the APB.EXE from V1 or the instalation kit unless you run/ > WRITEBOOT.EXE manually.i >  > Bart Zornr > l > Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) wrote in message news:<a98cd882.0304080724.44ce8cfa@posting.google.com>...a > > John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1030408021011.2426B-100000@Ives.egh.com>...l= > > > It replaces APB.EXE and doesn't seem to do a WRITEBOOT.f > > >aB > > > I wrote a long post describing all the details and this damnD > > > POS ported-from-unix crap Pine decided to spontaneaously abort= > > > and threw it all away, when I was about 1 sentence from-? > > > completing.  I could have recovered about half of it froms6 > > > my DECTerm scrollback buffer, but I'm too PO'ed. > > >uB > > > Anyway, if you install VMS731_LAN-V0300 (and probably -V0200C > > > also), update the bootstrap with WRITEBOOT (sys mgr's manual,o? > > > pages 4-19 & 4-20) before attempting to reboot.  (You cant> > > > also do this from the dist CD-ROM, if it comes to that.) > >g. > > It could be uglier than what you describe. > >eI > > On one system, which has VMS731_LAN-V0200 installed, I installed justnI > > today VMS731_LAN-V0300. The reboot is planned for later this evening.v' > > In SYS$SYSTEM I have the following:o > > ! > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]) > >i0 > > APB.EXE;1            17-DEC-2002 07:42:43.770 > > APB.EXE_OLD;2        17-DEC-2002 07:42:43.770 > > APB.EXE_OLD;1        18-JUL-2002 19:54:09.38 > >  > > Total of 3 files.a > > J > > It seems to me, that if VMS731_LAN-V0300 does not do a WRITEBOOT, thatG > > the current bootblock still points to APB.EXE_OLD;2, which is still E > > present. The system will just boot fine. What's more, APB.EXE anda' > > APB.EXE_OLD are probably identical.S > >oH > > Trouble starts when you finally decide to do the long due cleanup of7 > > the system disk and you delete all *.EXE_OLD files!o > >c > > Regards, > >a
 > > Bart Zornr   -- rC Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYl0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan+ 	- Mark.Jilson@hp.com				- since 1975 or sot 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Apr 2003 08:52:54 -0400% From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@glug.org>t  Subject: read, write, creat, ...( Message-ID: <7gbrzfygrd.fsf@gnufans.net>  
 greetings,  E i'm seeking anecdotal encouragement from programmers wrt read, write,3G creat, etc. as provided in the 7.3-1 C run-time.  what are the gotchas, 6 if any?  how do they compare to other implementations?  A the reason i ask is that i'm looking at (old) emulations of these ; functions and wondering how much pain it will be to switch.u  5 here is a full list of functions under consideration:      tzsety   localtimes   gmtime   rename   execvp   system   malloc   free	   reallocC   calloc   sbrk   brk    read   writey   creat    fwrite   getuid   getenv   aborto   access   thanks for reading this.   thi    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:53:15 +0100 (MET)t9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>u+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPe; Message-ID: <01KUIP80WLWYA9LL1B@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o  I > 50% of all the mail I receive is directed to users at my domain that dot
 > not exist. f  D Are the usernames just random, or are they some standard names like  "root" etc?   E > This uses up a lot of resources processing the return message, etc.c> > Since 99% of it is SPAM, the return message (your message isI > undeliverable) cannot be delivered, so SMTP waits and tries it again upnF > to the limit I have set for retries (5). I don't want to change thatI > number, since I'd like to continue retrying when required while sending- > out my legitimate mail.   B Right.  Is the retries value controlled by the same parameter for D incoming and outgoing mail?  I've only worried about outgoing stuff.  D > Is there any other way to just drop mail addressed to non-existentH > users? I don't even want to TRY to let them know that the user doesn'tG > exist. I'm using my SMTP.CONFIG file for other filtering, but I don't. > see a way to do it there.   G If most of the stuff consists of a few "standard" usernames (if not, I  F can't see the purpose of sending mail, even from a spammer's point of 9 view), you could (from a suitably priviledged account) doy  .    MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=<username> SPAM_TRAP  G You could then set up an account SPAM_TRAP and periodically delete the  / messages or look for the 1% which isn't spam.     A (Note that <username> does not have to exist as an account on therD system, and also that it can be a more or less arbitrary string---inE particular, it doesn't have to be a valid VMS username.  You can use u" this feature, for example, to makeB firstname.lastname@yourdomain.whatever be deliverable to your VMS I machine.  You can forward it to a VMS account on your machine or perhaps  I to some machine (VMS or not) which your VMS machine can see but the rest  G of the world can't (for example, if your VMS mail server delivers mail  B for users to their desktop workstation) or of course to any valid  internet email address.)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 08:46:25 GMTI" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>" Subject: Re: Resetting error count& Message-ID: <3E93DDD6.BE20C087@hp.com>  B Device reset will ship with the next VAX release. According to the roadmaps VAX V8.2=H Please note that this feature requires a full VMS build as we have added some information in thedB SUD datastructure. This eliminates the option of easy backporting.   Guyb   Phillip Helbig wrote:w  2 > > And no it will not be backported to VAX 5.5-2. >v > What about VAX 7.2 or 8.0?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 03 05:45:21 PST  From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comm" Subject: Re: Resetting error count( Message-ID: <Wf3rD5L6CLTg@cpva.saic.com>  8 In article <5sa69vo2vh132c2ogpaar759ii44jddd4s@4ax.com>,)  David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes:.O > On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:18:21 +0100, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:  >  >>Phillip Helbig wrote:3 >>> 4 >>> > And no it will not be backported to VAX 5.5-2. >>>  >>> What about VAX 7.2 or 8.0? >>< >>I've not tried [at 7.2], but what about the freeware ZDEC? > Q > ZDEC works on OpenVMS VAX up through V7.3, in my experience. At least one placesP > it is available is Andy Harper's web server at King's College in the VMS_SHARER > section at http://www.agh.cc.kcl.ac.uk/files/vms/vms_share/. Matt Madison portedK > it to OpenVMS Alpha, and I've used it on Alpha successfully through V6.2.lL > However, changes in the UCB and synchronization to the I/O database causedM > problems for ZDEC on (at least) OpenVMS Alpha V7.x multi-processor systems.c > P > The original author of ZDEC, Mark Oakley, has recently submitted a new tool heI > calls CLEAR_ERRORS. It is available from Hunter Goatley's web server atoK > http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?CLEAR_ERRORS and waseR > written specifically for newer OpenVMS Alpha versions (I don't know what minimum > version it supports).aK > -------------------------------------------------------------------------rK > David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comkK > Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)1K > -------------------------------------------------------------------------d  F Mark Jilson once posted an updated version of ZDEC that locks down theH IO db and handles multi-pathing. You can locate the source if you unwrap the following URLS  8 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=& 3BBDFCFD.C4650EE0%40clarityconnect.com   -- e - Jim    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:26:47 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r2 Subject: roadmaps (was: RE: Resetting error count); Message-ID: <01KUISNZOOIOAH3CVK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a  D > Device reset will ship with the next VAX release. According to the > roadmaps VAX V8.2p  ! So VAX will jump from 7.3 to 8.2?-  D What is the best bet for the "landing zone" for VAX and ALPHA, i.e. H which version, like 5.5-2 VAX or 6.2 is expected to be reasonably good, H reasonably stable and supported for a relatively long time?  Would that 1 be 7.3-1 ALPHA?  7.3-2 ALPHA?  7.3 VAX?  7.2 VAX?   I Presumably, a lot of folks will want to upgrade to this version and then dG stay there until the first Itanium landing-zone version arrives.  (One mG wants to be sure when moving to Itanium which problems result from the AF hardware change and which from the software change, thus probably all I but some test customers and those really needing a specific feature will 04 skip the early Itanium releases as far as possible.)   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 00:33 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)m1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.t, Message-ID: <9APR200300335191@gerg.tamu.edu>  $ VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes...H }There are several other things that I'd like to understand about SAMBA.G }For instance, the name that the PeeCee sees is the DECnet node name or-H }the SCS node name.  How can I change it such that PeeCee can/will refer }to SAMBA server as VMS?   }  }-- P }VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  G This, and much more, is controleed by the SMB.CONF file or the defaultsf- if you don't specify the relevant parameters.e  7 The typical parameter setting for what it appears as isy   [global]3    server string = Samba %v running on %h (OpenVMS)t  H where %v is translated to the version of Samba, and %h as the host name.  F Note that this default starts with "Samba". Typically, NT seems to useK just this first word as the host name and the whole string as the "COmment"DK field. Also, it is very long (compared to Windows, which just uses the hosteD name) so it often appears as just "Samba..." or "Samba 2.2.7a..." orH whatever, when the field width in the Explorer is narrow (which it oftenI seems to be) - the host name isn't until near the end of the long string.-   I changed mine to   0    server string = %h running Samba %v (OpenVMS)  H so that the host name is first (making it appear in the correct place in4 the list, alphabetically, instead of under "Samba").   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 08:47:56 -0500R' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com>91 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work. = Message-ID: <CyVka.270$35.1119@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>.   Carl Perkins wrote:y& > VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes...J > }There are several other things that I'd like to understand about SAMBA.I > }For instance, the name that the PeeCee sees is the DECnet node name or J > }the SCS node name.  How can I change it such that PeeCee can/will refer > }to SAMBA server as VMS?   > }  > }--eR > }VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > I > This, and much more, is controleed by the SMB.CONF file or the defaultse/ > if you don't specify the relevant parameters.  > 9 > The typical parameter setting for what it appears as iso > 
 > [global]5 >    server string = Samba %v running on %h (OpenVMS)o > J > where %v is translated to the version of Samba, and %h as the host name. > H > Note that this default starts with "Samba". Typically, NT seems to useM > just this first word as the host name and the whole string as the "COmment",M > field. Also, it is very long (compared to Windows, which just uses the hostpF > name) so it often appears as just "Samba..." or "Samba 2.2.7a..." orJ > whatever, when the field width in the Explorer is narrow (which it oftenK > seems to be) - the host name isn't until near the end of the long string.h >  > I changed mine to  > 2 >    server string = %h running Samba %v (OpenVMS) > J > so that the host name is first (making it appear in the correct place in6 > the list, alphabetically, instead of under "Samba"). > 
 > --- Carl  H I think VAXman wants his server to be named "VAX".  I think the setting  he wants is:   [global]     netbios name = VAX  H The "server string" sets the descriptive text beside the server name in   the Network Neighborhood window.   Chris  -----a Chris Olive  Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporation3 Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec(AT)indy(DOT)raytheon(DOT)com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 14:06:01 GMTc" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.t0 Message-ID: <00A1E208.167C5567@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <CyVka.270$35.1119@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>, Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com> writes:fI >I think VAXman wants his server to be named "VAX".  I think the setting d
 >he wants is:t > 	 >[global]s >    netbios name = VAXt >qI >The "server string" sets the descriptive text beside the server name in  ! >the Network Neighborhood window.   D Actually VMS but you've got the idea.  Somebody else pointed ou the  'netbios name'.  t   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM9            15   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" .   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:25:39 GMT." From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 Subject: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work. (SWAT)0 Message-ID: <00A1E1F1.B00E7008@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <9tGka.373010$3D1.202161@sccrnsc01>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:T >In article <00A1E16A.1CE28446@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: ><snip>aI >>There are several other things that I'd like to understand about SAMBA.tH >>For instance, the name that the PeeCee sees is the DECnet node name orI >>the SCS node name.  How can I change it such that PeeCee can/will refer  >>to SAMBA server as VMS?  r >> >h
 >Hi Brian, >yP >Did you set up the SWAT (SAMBA Web Administration Tool)?  If, so, you can point >a browser at: >n >http://<servername>:901/u >cO >and use the "tool" to set the server name or alias, under the "GLOBALS" page. e= >The "tool" also contains links to the docset, such as it is.'  J Thanks.  I was wondering how I could get my browser to follow links of theK form blah.#.html.  Now I can really read up on this stuff without having to- sift through the HTML tags.   J The {View} configuration is nice.  To bad there isn't a web base smb.conf  configuration page.u   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMh            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" e   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 06:01:46 GMTe/ From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net>y8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-O5Q9nPh1UXwd@localhost>A  3 On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:17:52 UTC, "Fred Kleinsorge" h0 <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote:   > M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>o9 > wrote in message news:3E91646C.50502@nospamn.sun.com...I > >  > >v > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:N > > > The *real* story here is potential for the impending death of Sparc.  If > SuncH > > > embraces Opteron, why would they continue to throw money at Sparc? > > >_ > >1+ > > How did you manage to work this out ???  > >a > C > Hmmm.  Sparc sucks.  Supposedly Opteron won't.  Both are 64-bits.n > L > Sun doesn't have to waste their money dumping it down the Sparc money pit.M > After that, why continue to support Sparc?  Oh sure, you spin one more chipcI > for old times sake (provided it isn't too radically broken by trying toiI > figure out all those new-fangled things everyone else has been doing in L > chips for years), and then you quietly start calling Opteron "SPARC X" ;-)  D But Fred, SPARC is Big-Endian, Opteron Little-Endian. If I were HP, F I'd be more worried about IBM and SUN getting together to but Solaris E on Big-Endian POWER. Both companies would win. An efficient Industry r, Standard OS (Solaris) on a leading-edge CPU.   -- h Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 02:25:00 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...2 Message-ID: <NxmdncnFzpNcIQ6jXTWcrg@metrocast.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagea) news:3E931302.EFADA05E@vl.videotron.ca...e > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:E > > Hmmm.  Sparc sucks.  Supposedly Opteron won't.  Both are 64-bits.t >  > Beware, Sue may spank you :-)e >mI > Seriously, performance aside, does Sparc have certain capabilities thato HammerB > won't have for a long time ? (number of CPU per system, types of$ > communications between CPUs etc) ?  I Well, aside from the big-endian/little-endian disparity which has alreadyoL been mentioned and the obvious issue of a customer based dependent upon manyL thousands of applications with SPARC binaries, Sun has investments in systemE hardware (such as high-CPU-count servers and lock-step fault-toleranteD configurations) that presumably would take at least some significantG tweaking to get Opteron working with.  And it also has some interestingoF future plans for high-core-count server chips ('Niagara', based on theK technology they acquired with Afara) scheduled for 2005 that Opteron likelygB couldn't match by then (neither, of course, can Itanic:  while itsL single-thread performance should continue to outmatch SPARC's, in server useE SPARC should be very competitive if the Niagara vision materializes).0   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 07:35:02 -0700:! From: gokrix@hotmail.com (gokrix)o8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...= Message-ID: <50e71495.0304090635.538bce5f@posting.google.com>G  > > if you read the paragraph before, it states itanium does not; > have 32 bit compatibility, therefore suggesting that theym? > are talking about opteron ... if what you state is true, theni> > the author needs to go back to grammer school, and only some9 > one of your grammatical caliber could decipher that ...  >  > H > We are not seeing or hearing anything from our customers and ISVs thatE > indicates they want or need Itanium. But we are seeing interest for0C > the upcoming Opteron processor family, essentially because it hascD > 32-node compatibility, which Itanium doesn't," said John Loiacono,
  ^^^^^^^^^  C Bloody hell!  Did you get this right?  It says 32-node, not 32-bit.e   Regards, --GS  4 > vice president of Sun's operating platforms group.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:01:35 +0100v' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyd8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...* Message-ID: <3E9443DF.902@nospamn.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 9 > wrote in message news:3E91646C.50502@nospamn.sun.com...h >  >> >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>K >>>The *real* story here is potential for the impending death of Sparc.  If  >> > Sun- > E >>>embraces Opteron, why would they continue to throw money at Sparc?v >>>o >>) >>How did you manage to work this out ???  >> >  > C > Hmmm.  Sparc sucks.  Supposedly Opteron won't.  Both are 64-bits.c >   . Humm and your first conjecture is one that you, have never managed to sucessfully justify so. why not drop it, you have hung yourself out to. dry so many times on this point alone that its# embarassing if not a trifle boring.h  7 In this sense you and Bob are well matched playfellows.e  L > Sun doesn't have to waste their money dumping it down the Sparc money pit.M > After that, why continue to support Sparc?  Oh sure, you spin one more chipuI > for old times sake (provided it isn't too radically broken by trying toaI > figure out all those new-fangled things everyone else has been doing in L > chips for years), and then you quietly start calling Opteron "SPARC X" ;-) >   : Umm so what has everyone else been doing on chip for years! that we are trying to figure out.h  < Just as a hint, the multi-core Power 4 isn't a CMT processor8 and while some P4's support hyperthreading it also isn't what we are implimenting.w  ; Why don't you do a little bit of research before posting BS.< you will only gain from it, anything that raises the quality; of your posts from ill informed FUDSTER to something higher) up the scale would be good.    Regardst Andrew Harrisonu   >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:56:54 +020097 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>U& Subject: Re: TCPIP XDM service problem/ Message-ID: <b70jo9$cto$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>    Richard Brodie wrote: 9 > "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net> wrote in messaget1 > news:b6uduj$8sgon$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de...  > C >>>2. When few Xterminal are logged, exiting session on one of them F >>>immidietly restarts sessions on others (sessions disapear and login >>>window appear). >> >>Make a service call !hD >>I had exactly that with TCPIP 5.1 and got a patched TCPIP$XDM.EXE.) >>Wondering, that it is not fixed in 5.3.s >  > D > It matches a problem that was fixed in ECO 1. As HP/Compaq tend toK > backport their patches, it's not surprising that there are patches for anfB > older version that haven't made it into the newest base release. >  >    Thanks for your help   Robert   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:17:51 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)c  Subject: Re: unix screen command+ Message-ID: <b70s0e$4on$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e  Y In article <b6vipr$atn$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>, "Jarosaw Sosiski" <sosin@o2.pl> writes:  >hello >bE >in unix OS we have a screen command and  how can i do it in open vmsg- >systems?? i would like to run irc in screen.t >  >thx a lot for help. >  >sosin >n  F It would help if you told everyone what this unix screen command does.  # Looking on a TRU64 system I find :--  
 man screen  M screen(2)                                                           screen(2)6   NAME  ,   screen - Gateway packet screening facility   SYNOPSIS     #include <sys/types.h>   #include <net/gw_screen.h>     int mode;    struct screen_data sdata;    struct screen_stats sstats;g  )   ioctl(s, SIOCSCREENON, (caddr_t)&mode);-'   ioctl(s, SIOCSCREEN, (caddr_t)&data); .   ioctl(s, SIOCSCREENSTATS, (caddr_t)&sstats);   .P .t .    DESCRIPTIONi  I   The gateway screen facility allows a user-level process to decide whicheL   network packets should be forwarded by the kernel (when the system is act-J   ing as a gateway). When the screen mode is set to "off," all packets areK   forwarded normally; when the screen mode is set to "on," all packets that)G   would be forwarded must be approved through the use of this facility.      Use of SIOCSCREENm  K   The SIOCSCREEN request is used in the main loop of the user-level daemon./M   Each time it is called, it returns (by reference using the sdata parameter)xL   a screen_data structure containing a prefix of a packet (normally contain-:   ing the packet headers) and some additional information:          struct screen_data_hdr {h:         short sdh_count;     /* length of entire record */9         short sdh_dlen;      /* bytes of packet header */a1         u_int sdh_xid;       /* transaction ID */nE         struct timeval       sdh_arrival;   /* time packet arrived */   .  .  .  9 I don't believe there is anything similar to this in VMS.t  A But then I'm not sure this is what you are actually referring to.1  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:39:52 GMTR+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)p  Subject: Re: unix screen command; Message-ID: <YLSka.40168$vI3.1325510@twister.austin.rr.com>o  , David Webb (david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk) wrote:F : In article <b6vipr$atn$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>, "Jarosaw Sosiski"  : <sosin@o2.pl> writes:s : >hello : >-G : >in unix OS we have a screen command and  how can i do it in open vmsm/ : >systems?? i would like to run irc in screen.i : >  : >thx a lot for helph : >  : >sosin : >e : H : It would help if you told everyone what this unix screen command does. : % : Looking on a TRU64 system I find :-y :  : man screen : H : screen(2)                                                    screen(2) :  : NAME : . :   screen - Gateway packet screening facility : 
 : SYNOPSIS :  :   #include <sys/types.h> :   #include <net/gw_screen.h> : 
 :   int mode;c :   struct screen_data sdata;) :   struct screen_stats sstats;  : + :   ioctl(s, SIOCSCREENON, (caddr_t)&mode);i) :   ioctl(s, SIOCSCREEN, (caddr_t)&data);g0 :   ioctl(s, SIOCSCREENSTATS, (caddr_t)&sstats); :  : .  : .I : .n : 
 : DESCRIPTIONT : K :   The gateway screen facility allows a user-level process to decide whichPN :   network packets should be forwarded by the kernel (when the system is act-L :   ing as a gateway). When the screen mode is set to "off," all packets areM :   forwarded normally; when the screen mode is set to "on," all packets that I :   would be forwarded must be approved through the use of this facility.s :    From an AIX 3.2.5 system:t     /home/leslie> man screen  F     "SCREEN(1)               (31 January 1992)               SCREEN(1)  	      NAMEwD           screen - screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation  
      SYNOPSIS .           screen [ -options ] [ cmd [ args ] ](           screen -r [ [pid.]tty[.host] ]        DESCRIPTIONC           Screen is a full-screen window manager that multiplexes ah@           physical terminal between several processes (typicallyB           interactive shells).  Each virtual terminal provides the?           functions of the DEC VT100 terminal and, in addition, F           several control functions from the ANSI X3.64 (ISO 6429) andE           ISO 2022 standards (e.g. insert/delete line and support forIB           multiple character sets).  There is a scrollback history?           buffer for each virtual terminal and a copy-and-pasteuD           mechanism that allows moving text regions between windows.  D           The name of this program was changed to iScreen to be ableA           to distinguish it from Oliver Laumann's original screen F           program. Despite that fact, this manual will continue to use@           the name screen.  This is, because often the binary is#           installed as 'screen'..."r  G Yet another example of how the unix religion has split into sects ? ;-)y  2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaila   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:17:13 +0200' From: "Jarosaw Sosiski" <sosin@o2.pl>2  Subject: Re: unix screen command. Message-ID: <b71a24$q4c$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl>  ? i'm a beginner so i don't know much about open vms systems etc.g6 maybe i'll tell how i use that screen command in unix:  L First i'm running the screen command, then i'm running irc and when i finishJ chatting on irc i press ctrl+a ctrl+d and i'm detaching that process, thenJ i'm quiting my shell account. Next when i want to be back on irc process i8 log in and just type screen -r and my irc session works.J And I want to do the same on my another shell account, but it's not a unixA account, it's the open vms system, my high school offers me that.s   thx again for help   sosino   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:44:12 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>g  Subject: RE: unix screen command9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEIAGPAA.tom@kednos.com>S  ( 1.  What kind of system are you running?! 2.  What do you get when you typeP
 man screen   >-----Original Message----- - >From: Jarosaw Sosiski [mailto:sosin@o2.pl]m( >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 7:17 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com! >Subject: Re: unix screen commandb >v > @ >i'm a beginner so i don't know much about open vms systems etc.7 >maybe i'll tell how i use that screen command in unix:p >t? >First i'm running the screen command, then i'm running irc ande >when i finishK >chatting on irc i press ctrl+a ctrl+d and i'm detaching that process, thenrK >i'm quiting my shell account. Next when i want to be back on irc process ia9 >log in and just type screen -r and my irc session works.AK >And I want to do the same on my another shell account, but it's not a unixNB >account, it's the open vms system, my high school offers me that. >- >thx again for help  >  >sosin >t >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.l; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).e@ >Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 >r ---c& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003w   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 16:29:45 -0000 6 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>  Subject: Re: unix screen command6 Message-ID: <20030409162945.17178.qmail@gacracker.org>  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. 8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  < On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, "Jarosaw Sosiski" <sosin@o2.pl> wrote:  M >First i'm running the screen command, then i'm running irc and when i finish'K >chatting on irc i press ctrl+a ctrl+d and i'm detaching that process, thenuK >i'm quiting my shell account. Next when i want to be back on irc process i_9 >log in and just type screen -r and my irc session works.   , It sounds like the utility you want is BOSS.  ? <URL:http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?BOSS>p   Package BOSS4 Description:  Multiple logins via pseudo-terminals!  Version:  V5.1, 3-OCT-1996 N. Author:  Karney, Everhart, MacArthur, Goatley  Architecture:  VAX,AXP   Size:  443 blocks 
 Language:  C 1     Doc. -- t: Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netn   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:06:48 +0200' From: "Jaroslaw Sosinski" <sosin@o2.pl>w  Subject: Re: unix screen command/ Message-ID: <b71gfn$mum$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>>   hello  thx very much for help  H i've downloaded that file. Would you be so kind and tell me how should i! install it on my shell account ??r   sosing   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 02:55:08 -0300a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences/ Message-ID: <3E93B5AA.97015696@vl.videotron.ca>e   MikeR wrote:0 > As e.g. no Mozilla and/or Apache (CSWS) on VAXG > (I'm still looking for a compiled version of VAX Apache ... anyone??)a  H I think that this is more of an easy excuse to deprive VAX of software. L Higher languages are more or less independant of internal binary formats and@ tend to save all their configs as text files with ascii numbers.  ! HTTP is a text based transaction.   R If Motif can compile fine between Alpha and VAX, I don't see why Mozilla couldn't.  M And personally, I don't see why JAVA couldn't be compiled on VAX, sure, there N would be problems with interchange of data, but there could be a translator ofP JAVA byte code to convert any stored IEEE values into VAX format floating point.  ; It may not be 100% java compatible, but it could be usable.f   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:14:05 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> & Subject: RE: VAX/Alpha VMS differencesT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF403FB5C36@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   David,  H Not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for, but check out some of the archived doc's at:m+ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/archived.html    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant- Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesm Voice: 613-592-4660y Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)n OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMs   -----Original Message-----6 From: David D Miller [mailto:ddmiller@raytheon.com]=20 Sent: April 7, 2003 3:45 PMa To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml" Subject: VAX/Alpha VMS differences     Folks:   Is there an HP document that  C 1. Lists the differences between DCL commands on VAX/VMS 7.3 versusE Alpha/VMS 7.3-1?  F 2. Lists which layered products are available for one architecture but not the other?  @ Or perhaps someone has composed such a list that I could borrow?  G I'd like to say to everyone that VMS is VMS unlike UNIX.  But I know it. just ain't so.   dave.S   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 07:30:10 -05000; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)m& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences3 Message-ID: <3TarKUgCvhPC@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  Z In article <b6v47b$9e4co$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:  B > - DECnet/VAX has DDCMP support, it was not there in AXP/VMS V7.0  E    You have a DDCMP board for an Alpha?  I haven't seen a DDCMP boardr    since Qbus.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:03:52 +0200V, From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de>& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences, Message-ID: <pn517b.5i2.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   David D Miller wrote:h >  > Any more contributions?c  G Linking of shareable images has changed: new option syntax (AXP) versus  transfer tables (VAX).  G And of course: different page sizes and 64-bit addressing capabilities.3   Albrecht Schloern   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:40:20 -0700. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differencesF Message-ID: <OF373A7F7A.F4014276-ON07256D03.004B0C6B@rsc.raytheon.com>   Thanks for that, Dave.   dave.       I On VAX, you run SYSGEN to AUTOCONFIGURE devices.  On Alpha you run SYSMANd IO.oJ Possibly other functionality implemented in SYSGEN on VAX is not in SYSGEN on8 Alpha.  I don't do much of this, so don't have the list.   Dave     David D Miller wrote:   @ > Thanks Hans, that's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for! >  > Any more contributions?n >u > dave.  >  > = > "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> schreef in bericht B > news:OFC8E9212E.5CB2D9C8-ON07256D02.0052972D@rsc.raytheon.com... >e >>>David D Miller wrote: >>>,
 >>>>Folks: >>>>  >>>>Is there an HP document that >>>>G >>>>1. Lists the differences between DCL commands on VAX/VMS 7.3 versus  >>>>Alpha/VMS 7.3-1? >>>>J >>>>2. Lists which layered products are available for one architecture but >>>> >>not: >> >>>>the other? >>>>D >>>>Or perhaps someone has composed such a list that I could borrow? >>>> >>David J. Dachtera replied ...s >> >>D >>>I've nothing formal, but AFAIK, the docset still identifies thoseI >>>features that are architecture-specific. HELP does a lot of that also,h7 >>>but it seems less reliable than the docset for that.  >>>  >>>Dunno if that helps...o >>>hH >>Well, that's a source at least.  Rather a laborious task to search the >> > docs > ! >>however.  Has anyone done this?  >>D >>I like to add a summary of the differences between the two VMSs in >>
 > Baldwins > D >>2nd edition - but I don't have a whole lot of time to do research., >>Differences off the top of my head are ... >>$ >>   SHOW MEMORY due to architecture >>   ODS-5 only on AlphaB >>   SDA has different interface and commands due to VMS structure7 >>   @AUTOGEN/SYSGEN/SYSMAN PARAM due to VMS structure.I >>; >>Others?  Please send me a list and I'll make a composite.i >> >>dave.s >> >e > Hans wrote ... >i > A somewhat unordered list:5 > - SYSMAN on AXP supports more commands  than on VAXdJ > - DECnet/VAX has DDCMP support, it was not there in AXP/VMS V7.0 (may be > now, I have no current docs) > - VAX/VMS has no support for:e
 >  = galaxiess >  = fibre channel >  = memory channelr >  = CDE (X manager) >  = gigabit etherneto	 >  = javaI >  = Fortran90 (?) >5 >  - AXP/VMS has no support for 	 >  = TDMSc5 >  = VAX C (not sure that is a feature or a blessing)dJ >  = SHO NET/OLD on AXP shows the executor both on the top line and in the > node lista >e > Hans >n >i >a >o >o >      --4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:43:53 -0700. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differencesF Message-ID: <OF362D6D24.A31F5190-ON07256D03.004B573F@rsc.raytheon.com>   Dave  H Yeah, good point.  Hardware differences make the OS and layered products
 different.   dave.t      I I'll keep remembering things peacemeal.  I think it's IEEE floating point1 that'sI not supported on VAX, and the reason a number of things are not availablet on VAX.    Dave     David D Miller wrote:o  @ > Thanks Hans, that's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for! >a > Any more contributions?u >u > dave.a >e >o= > "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> schreef in berichteB > news:OFC8E9212E.5CB2D9C8-ON07256D02.0052972D@rsc.raytheon.com... >n >>>David D Miller wrote: >>>s
 >>>>Folks: >>>>  >>>>Is there an HP document that >>>>G >>>>1. Lists the differences between DCL commands on VAX/VMS 7.3 versusl >>>>Alpha/VMS 7.3-1? >>>>J >>>>2. Lists which layered products are available for one architecture but >>>> >>not- >> >>>>the other? >>>>D >>>>Or perhaps someone has composed such a list that I could borrow? >>>> >>David J. Dachtera replied ...  >> >>D >>>I've nothing formal, but AFAIK, the docset still identifies thoseI >>>features that are architecture-specific. HELP does a lot of that also,e7 >>>but it seems less reliable than the docset for that.f >>>i >>>Dunno if that helps...r >>>iH >>Well, that's a source at least.  Rather a laborious task to search the >> > docs > ! >>however.  Has anyone done this?  >>D >>I like to add a summary of the differences between the two VMSs in >>
 > Baldwins >0D >>2nd edition - but I don't have a whole lot of time to do research., >>Differences off the top of my head are ... >>$ >>   SHOW MEMORY due to architecture >>   ODS-5 only on AlphaB >>   SDA has different interface and commands due to VMS structure7 >>   @AUTOGEN/SYSGEN/SYSMAN PARAM due to VMS structure.  >>; >>Others?  Please send me a list and I'll make a composite.a >> >>dave.A >> >. > Hans wrote ... >t > A somewhat unordered list:5 > - SYSMAN on AXP supports more commands  than on VAX J > - DECnet/VAX has DDCMP support, it was not there in AXP/VMS V7.0 (may be > now, I have no current docs) > - VAX/VMS has no support for: 
 >  = galaxiesV >  = fibre channel >  = memory channelk >  = CDE (X manager) >  = gigabit etherneto	 >  = javat >  = Fortran90 (?) >v >  - AXP/VMS has no support forh	 >  = TDMSl5 >  = VAX C (not sure that is a feature or a blessing)tJ >  = SHO NET/OLD on AXP shows the executor both on the top line and in the > node lists >s > Hans >  >  >  >g >l >t     --4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:56:53 -0700. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>& Subject: RE: VAX/Alpha VMS differencesF Message-ID: <OFC437A37F.85FC09D0-ON07256D03.004C888C@rsc.raytheon.com>   Kerryo  A Thanks for that.  I'd forgotten to look there.  Lots of good infoi
 available.   dave.-       David,  H Not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for, but check out some of the archived doc's at:D+ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/archived.htmlt   RegardsY  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantn Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services& Voice: 613-592-4660B Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s), OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM    -----Original Message-----3 From: David D Miller [mailto:ddmiller@raytheon.com]s Sent: April 7, 2003 3:45 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com3" Subject: VAX/Alpha VMS differences     Folks:   Is there an HP document that  C 1. Lists the differences between DCL commands on VAX/VMS 7.3 versus  Alpha/VMS 7.3-1?  F 2. Lists which layered products are available for one architecture but not the other?  @ Or perhaps someone has composed such a list that I could borrow?  G I'd like to say to everyone that VMS is VMS unlike UNIX.  But I know it7 just ain't so.   dave.2   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:56:04 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>t& Subject: RE: VAX/Alpha VMS differences9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEHOGPAA.tom@kednos.com>e  C As concerns PL/I all the differences are discussed in appendix D ofeC the Reference Manual, which may be freely downloaded form our site,g www.kednos.com  C In summary, a lot of the differences occur wrt signalling and error-; handling.  Data Types, H-Float on VAX and S- T-Float on AXPm   Tomg   >-----Original Message-----u4 >From: David D Miller [mailto:ddmiller@raytheon.com]( >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:44 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com' >Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differencesg >h >I >l >Daveu >rI >Yeah, good point.  Hardware differences make the OS and layered productsn >different.o >  >dave. >d >a > J >I'll keep remembering things peacemeal.  I think it's IEEE floating point >that's J >not supported on VAX, and the reason a number of things are not available >on VAX. >  >Daven >u >m >David D Miller wrote: >MA >> Thanks Hans, that's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for!a >> >> Any more contributions? >> >> dave. >> >>> >> "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> schreef in berichtC >> news:OFC8E9212E.5CB2D9C8-ON07256D02.0052972D@rsc.raytheon.com...n >> >>>>David D Miller wrote:t >>>> >>>>>Folks:a >>>>>h! >>>>>Is there an HP document thate >>>>>tH >>>>>1. Lists the differences between DCL commands on VAX/VMS 7.3 versus >>>>>Alpha/VMS 7.3-1?o >>>>>pK >>>>>2. Lists which layered products are available for one architecture but  >>>>>. >>>not >>>2 >>>>>the other?t >>>>>hE >>>>>Or perhaps someone has composed such a list that I could borrow?b >>>>>e  >>>David J. Dachtera replied ... >>>t >>>nE >>>>I've nothing formal, but AFAIK, the docset still identifies those J >>>>features that are architecture-specific. HELP does a lot of that also,8 >>>>but it seems less reliable than the docset for that. >>>> >>>>Dunno if that helps... >>>>I >>>Well, that's a source at least.  Rather a laborious task to search the  >>>a >> docsn >>" >>>however.  Has anyone done this? >>>aE >>>I like to add a summary of the differences between the two VMSs inc >>>  >> Baldwinss >>E >>>2nd edition - but I don't have a whole lot of time to do research.r- >>>Differences off the top of my head are .... >>>F% >>>   SHOW MEMORY due to architecturee >>>   ODS-5 only on AlphaoC >>>   SDA has different interface and commands due to VMS structurei8 >>>   @AUTOGEN/SYSGEN/SYSMAN PARAM due to VMS structure. >>>-< >>>Others?  Please send me a list and I'll make a composite. >>>t >>>dave. >>>s >> >> Hans wrote ...t >> >> A somewhat unordered list:d6 >> - SYSMAN on AXP supports more commands  than on VAXK >> - DECnet/VAX has DDCMP support, it was not there in AXP/VMS V7.0 (may beo >> now, I have no current docs)%  >> - VAX/VMS has no support for: >>  = galaxies >>  = fibre channel  >>  = memory channel >>  = CDE (X manager)e >>  = gigabit ethernet
 >>  = java >>  = Fortran90 (?)m >>  >>  - AXP/VMS has no support for
 >>  = TDMS6 >>  = VAX C (not sure that is a feature or a blessing)K >>  = SHO NET/OLD on AXP shows the executor both on the top line and in the  >> node list >> >> Hansa >> >> >> >> >> >> >r >  >--v5 >David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450c5 >Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596n? >DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 7 >T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486o >a >h >o >n >  >f >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). @ >Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 >n --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003o   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2003 12:01:36 -0500nB From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences3 Message-ID: <A0OWnqcPnEsG@eisner.encompasserve.org>M  w In article <OFC963BD88.B7E92596-ON07256D02.006B7CAA@rsc.raytheon.com>, "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes:S > @ > Thanks Hans, that's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for! >  > Any more contributions?@ >   + You can write device drivers in C on Alpha.e   Simon.   -- "B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 12:23:39 +0200t7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>t Subject: wxPython-/ Message-ID: <b70sbe$eik$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>0   Hello,  ) Does anybody know about wxPython for VMS?    Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 12:35:58 +0200a' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  Subject: Re: wxPythone2 Message-ID: <3E93F78E.2090003@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   Robert Trawinski wrote:F > + > Does anybody know about wxPython for VMS?. > 4 As far as I know the only ports for VMS of wxWindows are wxMotif and wxGTK. See my web-page0'   http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/n for details how to get it.  ; But since Python for VMS is available, I think it is doablen, to also port the wxPython part of wxWindows.  ; If someone takes the effort, please contact me, so that theo> nescessary changes can be included in the "official" wxWindows distributions.                    Jouk    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 02:09:23 -0300s0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>0 Subject: Xwindows: clipboard change notification/ Message-ID: <3E93AAF4.BA73DA6D@vl.videotron.ca>e  L I want to write a small app that will make it easier to transfer informationM between a VMS workstation and a MAC (old OS, not OS-X) and potentially my oldl trusty PSION 3 PDA.e  I Philosophical question: can one process be advised when the clipboard hasV	 changed ?u  G Goal: some background process would pickup the clipboard whenever it iseU modified and process it to be send to its clients on other machines (and vice-versa).O  J For instance: on VMS mail, if a mesage contains a URL of interest, I couldP easily send it to myt MAC so I could the paste it into netscape to view the page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:20:08 -04000 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com># Subject: Re: Your opinion requested $ Message-ID: <3e944832$1@news.si.com>  A >We are interested in your thoughts and feedback on this proposedaE >process change and want to know if you see this as a benefit to yourr >utilization of ODL.  L Do NOT get rid of Bookreader format!  Do NOT supply the docs in strictly PDFL format.  Many VMS systems don't have a PDF reader available.  Supplying themJ in PDF _and_ Bookreader or HTML _and_ Bookreader is fine, however.  That's my feedback. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comS5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991n8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:47:52 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i# Subject: Re: Your opinion requestedy; Message-ID: <01KUJ878P3VOAH3CVK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>P  J > Do NOT get rid of Bookreader format!  Do NOT supply the docs in strictlyC > PDF format.  Many VMS systems don't have a PDF reader available. EJ > Supplying them in PDF _and_ Bookreader or HTML _and_ Bookreader is fine,  > however.  That's my feedback.   
 Amen brother!-  H I have yet to see PDF or HTML which has something like SEARCH BOOK(S).  G Either you have a long-to-load huge file, or lots of small files which b. have to be loaded before they can be searched.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.196 ************************