1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 10 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 198       Contents:$ Alpha survey from hpuseradvocacy.org+ Re: Announcing HP Availability Manager V2.3 = Apache Tomcat/4.0.4 - HTTP Status 500 - Internal Server Error A Re: Apache Tomcat/4.0.4 - HTTP Status 500 - Internal Server Error 1 attention Sue: alert your task force immediately! 5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately! 5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately! 5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors& RE: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX$ Re: DECwindows on multiple VMS hosts Re: DFGE01027 and clusters?  Re: Framemaker to Bookreader ? Help installing hobbyist kits ! Re: Help installing hobbyist kits ! Re: Help installing hobbyist kits ! Re: Help installing hobbyist kits + How do I disable LOCK on DECWindows console / Re: How do I disable LOCK on DECWindows console  Re: in need for vms 5.5-2  Re: in need for vms 5.5-2 > Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bust Re: Is license transferable? last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field  locked out by CDE screen saver! # Re: locked out by CDE screen saver! # Re: locked out by CDE screen saver! # Re: locked out by CDE screen saver! # Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' RE: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ! Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300  Reboot
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 Re: Reboot" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP Re: roadmaps Re: roadmaps( Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work. Re: unix screen command  VAX 4000/100 or is it? Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? RE: VAX 4000/100 or is it? Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?! VAX hardware support alternatives % Re: VAX hardware support alternatives  Re: vmsnet.* groups  wasd http server and cobol Re: wasd http server and cobol, X25 fails to connec alpha to alpha over llc2  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 12:12:49 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Alpha survey from hpuseradvocacy.org 3 Message-ID: <47BUMuNUgDuA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ; From:	IN%"admin@hpuseradvocacy.org" 10-APR-2003 10:55:33.28 9 Subj:	Latest HP User Group Online Advocacy Poll Now Live!   M At: http://www.hpuseradvocacy.org/ the latest instapoll question is now live:   p With the continued development of the Alpha processor to EV79 technology from the current EV7 and EV68 will you:  W a. purchase new AlphaServer systems through 2005 and beyond before transition to IA64?  V b. purchase new AlphaServer systems until you have re-evaluated your server strategy? 0 c. switch new server purchases to HP-UX on IA64 D d. switch new server purchases to other HP platforms running Linux? B e. switch new server purchases to another HP platform not listed? 1 f. switch new server purchases to another vendor?    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Apr 2003 12:36:23 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> 4 Subject: Re: Announcing HP Availability Manager V2.3* Message-ID: <b73og7$2do$1@news1.radix.net>  / Brian Tillman <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> wrote: H >>Okay, so I go to Hunter Goatley's web page which directs me to Process > Software's/ >>http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html ) >>and there is no LYNX there to download.  >>Where is it available?  L > http://lynx.browser.org/ or http://lynx.isc.org/release/ . Current version
 > is 2.8.3  J actually 2.8.4 (the person who owns lynx.browser.org seems to have stopped maintaining it).  $ The current version of lynx is 2.8.4   It's available at # 	ftp://lynx.isc.org/lynx/lynx2.8.4/  2.8.5 Development & patches:' 	http://lynx.isc.org/current/index.html    --  = Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>  http://dickey.his.com  ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:32:55 +0200 . From: "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de>F Subject: Apache Tomcat/4.0.4 - HTTP Status 500 - Internal Server ErrorB Message-ID: <aus-9C0028.15325510042003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  = Apache Tomcat/4.0.4 - HTTP Status 500 - Internal Server Error     > What's missing in our Java and Apache-Tomcat installation and  configuration?C When we connect to the test page of our local Apache Tomcat server  
 (local:8080):   ? 1) The index.html page appears with a list of the JSP examples. D 2) When we try to execute the examples we get the error shown above.C 3) The produce installation history is shown below followed by the   complete error message.  -----------  java version "1.4.0"0 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionE Fast VM (build 1.4.0-1, build J2SDK.v.1.4.0:01/10/2003-09:47, native   threads, jit_140)    $prod show history= ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- - I PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION   DATE AND TIME < ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- H CPQ AXPVMS CSWS_PHP V1.1            Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003  11:45:43H CPQ AXPVMS CSWS_JAVA V2.0           Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003  11:43:53H CPQ AXPVMS CSWS13_UPDATE V1.0       Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003  11:37:02H CPQ AXPVMS CSWS V1.3                Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003  11:32:00H DEC AXPVMS VMS731_SYS V3.0          Patch       Install     06-MAR-2003  11:19:29H DEC AXPVMS JAVA140 V1.4-1           Full LP     Install     05-MAR-2003  10:33:05H DEC AXPVMS VMS731_ACRTL V1.0        Patch       Install     27-FEB-2003  19:27:45H DEC AXPVMS JAVA140 V1.4-BETA1       Full LP     Remove      27-FEB-2003  16:40:28H DEC AXPVMS VMS731_SYS V2.0          Patch       Install     27-FEB-2003  12:00:15H DEC AXPVMS FORTRAN V7.5-1           Full LP     Install     24-OCT-2002  15:56:48H DEC AXPVMS FORRTL V7.5-1            Full LP     Install     24-OCT-2002  15:52:51H DEC AXPVMS JAVA140 V1.4-BETA1       Full LP     Install     22-OCT-2002  14:39:08H CPQ AXPVMS CDSA V1.0-2              Full LP     Install     17-OCT-2002  11:58:52H DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.3-1   Full LP     Install     17-OCT-2002  11:58:52H DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Install     17-OCT-2002  11:58:52H DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-1           Platform    Install     17-OCT-2002  11:58:52H DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.3-18            Full LP     Install     17-OCT-2002  11:58:52H DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3-1               Oper System Install     17-OCT-2002  11:58:52= ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- - H ------------------------------------------------------------------------   type Exception report    message Internal Server Error   F description The server encountered an internal error (Internal Server 6 Error) that prevented it from fulfilling this request.  	 exception   B org.apache.jasper.JasperException: Unable to compile class for JSP@ at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.loadJSP(JspServlet.java)I atorg.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet$JspServletWrapper.loadIfNecessary(  JspServlet.java)I atorg.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet$JspServletWrapper.service(JspServl  et.java)G at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java) @ at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java); at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java) I atorg.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(Applic  ationFilterChain.java) at  I org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilte  rChain.java) at  I org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve  .java) at  I org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.jav  a)  I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) D at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextVal  ve.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)I atorg.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(Authenticato  rBase.java) I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)I atorg.apache.catalina.valves.CertificatesValve.invoke(CertificatesValve.j  ava)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) D at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)H at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext.invoke(StandardContext.java)     I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.jav  a)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)I atorg.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorDispatcherValve.invoke(ErrorDispatcherV 
 alve.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)I atorg.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.jav  a)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)H at org.apache.catalina.valves.AccessLogValve.invoke(AccessLogValve.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) D at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve  .java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)I at rg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) D at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.connector.http.HttpProcessor.process(HttpProcessor.  java) I atorg.apache.catalina.connector.http.HttpProcessor.run(HttpProcessor.java  ) ( at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:536)    
 root cause  9 java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.jsp.date$jsp F at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JasperLoader.loadClass(JasperLoader.java)F at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JasperLoader.loadClass(JasperLoader.java)@ at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.loadJSP(JspServlet.java)I atorg.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet$JspServletWrapper.loadIfNecessary(  JspServlet.java)I atorg.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet$JspServletWrapper.service(JspServl  et.java)G at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java) @ at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java); at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java) I atorg.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(Applic  ationFilterChain.java) at  I org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilte  rChain.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperVal  ve.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava) at  G org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) D at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextVal  ve.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)I atorg.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(Authenticato  rBase.java)  at  I org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.jav  a) at  I org.apache.catalina.valves.CertificatesValve.invoke(CertificatesValve.jav  a)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) D at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)H at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext.invoke(StandardContext.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.jav  a)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)I atorg.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorDispatcherValve.invoke(ErrorDispatcherV 
 alve.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava) at  I org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.java) I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)H at org.apache.catalina.valves.AccessLogValve.invoke(AccessLogValve.java) at  I org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.jav  a)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) D at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve  .java)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  ava)I atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) D at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)I atorg.apache.catalina.connector.http.HttpProcessor.process(HttpProcessor.  java) I atorg.apache.catalina.connector.http.HttpProcessor.run(HttpProcessor.java  ) ( at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:536)   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:07:34 -0400 + From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> J Subject: Re: Apache Tomcat/4.0.4 - HTTP Status 500 - Internal Server Error, Message-ID: <3e9589fb_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  9 "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote in message < news:aus-9C0028.15325510042003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de...? > Apache Tomcat/4.0.4 - HTTP Status 500 - Internal Server Error  >  > ? > What's missing in our Java and Apache-Tomcat installation and  > configuration?D > When we connect to the test page of our local Apache Tomcat server > (local:8080):  > A > 1) The index.html page appears with a list of the JSP examples. F > 2) When we try to execute the examples we get the error shown above.D > 3) The produce installation history is shown below followed by the > complete error message. 
 > -----------  > java version "1.4.0"2 > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionF > Fast VM (build 1.4.0-1, build J2SDK.v.1.4.0:01/10/2003-09:47, native > threads, jit_140)  >  > $prod show history? > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- - K > PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION   DATE AND TIME = > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- I > CPQ AXPVMS CSWS_PHP V1.1            Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 
 > 11:45:43I > CPQ AXPVMS CSWS_JAVA V2.0           Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 
 > 11:43:53I > CPQ AXPVMS CSWS13_UPDATE V1.0       Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 
 > 11:37:02I > CPQ AXPVMS CSWS V1.3                Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 
 > 11:32:00I > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_SYS V3.0          Patch       Install     06-MAR-2003 
 > 11:19:29I > DEC AXPVMS JAVA140 V1.4-1           Full LP     Install     05-MAR-2003 
 > 10:33:05I > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_ACRTL V1.0        Patch       Install     27-FEB-2003 
 > 19:27:45I > DEC AXPVMS JAVA140 V1.4-BETA1       Full LP     Remove      27-FEB-2003 
 > 16:40:28I > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_SYS V2.0          Patch       Install     27-FEB-2003 
 > 12:00:15I > DEC AXPVMS FORTRAN V7.5-1           Full LP     Install     24-OCT-2002 
 > 15:56:48I > DEC AXPVMS FORRTL V7.5-1            Full LP     Install     24-OCT-2002 
 > 15:52:51I > DEC AXPVMS JAVA140 V1.4-BETA1       Full LP     Install     22-OCT-2002 
 > 14:39:08I > CPQ AXPVMS CDSA V1.0-2              Full LP     Install     17-OCT-2002 
 > 11:58:52I > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.3-1   Full LP     Install     17-OCT-2002 
 > 11:58:52I > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Install     17-OCT-2002 
 > 11:58:52I > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-1           Platform    Install     17-OCT-2002 
 > 11:58:52I > DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.3-18            Full LP     Install     17-OCT-2002 
 > 11:58:52I > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3-1               Oper System Install     17-OCT-2002 
 > 11:58:52? > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- - J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >  > type Exception report  >  > message Internal Server Error  > G > description The server encountered an internal error (Internal Server 8 > Error) that prevented it from fulfilling this request. >  > exception  > D > org.apache.jasper.JasperException: Unable to compile class for JSPB > at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.loadJSP(JspServlet.java)K > atorg.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet$JspServletWrapper.loadIfNecessary(  > JspServlet.java)K > atorg.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet$JspServletWrapper.service(JspServl 
 > et.java)I > at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java) B > at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java)= > at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java) K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(Applic  > ationFilterChain.java) > atK > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilte  > rChain.java) > atK > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve  > .java) > atK > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.jav  > a)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) F > at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextVal 
 > ve.java)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  > ava)K > atorg.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(Authenticato 
 > rBase.java) K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  > ava)K > atorg.apache.catalina.valves.CertificatesValve.invoke(CertificatesValve.j  > ava)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  > ava)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) F > at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)J > at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext.invoke(StandardContext.java) > K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.jav  > a)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  > ava)K > atorg.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorDispatcherValve.invoke(ErrorDispatcherV  > alve.java)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  > ava)K > atorg.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.jav  > a)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  > ava)J > at org.apache.catalina.valves.AccessLogValve.invoke(AccessLogValve.java)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  > ava)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) F > at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve  > .java)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  > ava)K > at rg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) F > at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)K > atorg.apache.catalina.connector.http.HttpProcessor.process(HttpProcessor.  > java) K > atorg.apache.catalina.connector.http.HttpProcessor.run(HttpProcessor.java  > ) * > at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:536) >  >  > root cause > ; > java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.jsp.date$jsp H > at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JasperLoader.loadClass(JasperLoader.java)H > at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JasperLoader.loadClass(JasperLoader.java)B > at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.loadJSP(JspServlet.java)K > atorg.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet$JspServletWrapper.loadIfNecessary(  > JspServlet.java)K > atorg.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet$JspServletWrapper.service(JspServl 
 > et.java)I > at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java) B > at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java)= > at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java) K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(Applic  > ationFilterChain.java) > atK > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilte  > rChain.java)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperVal 
 > ve.java)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  > ava) > atI > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java) F > at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextVal 
 > ve.java)K > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.j  > ava)K > atorg.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(Authenticato 
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 as needed)  % $ def apache$jakarta_user_classpath - J dsa1:[apache.jakarta.tomcat.work.standalone.localhost.examples.jsp.cal], -L dsa1:[apache.jakarta.tomcat.work.standalone.localhost.examples.jsp.colors],  - L dsa1:[apache.jakarta.tomcat.work.standalone.localhost.examples.jsp.dates], -J dsa1:[apache.jakarta.tomcat.work.standalone.localhost.examples.jsp.num], -L dsa1:[apache.jakarta.tomcat.work.standalone.localhost.examples.jsp.plugin],  - G dsa1:[apache.jakarta.tomcat.work.standalone.localhost.examples.jsp.snp]   
 Rick Barry" Secure Web Server Development Team OpenVMS Systems Software Group Hewlett Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:38:00 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> : Subject: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!; Message-ID: <01KUK6TWW7GIA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   D I received a brochure with the programme, registration form etc for . Interex in Amsterdam.  On page 2 one can read:  B    ...the...Conference...provides the ideal platform for users of D    pre-merger HP and Compaq products and services (including legacy     DIGITAL systems)...  I Of course, in and of itself "legacy" is not a bad word.  But it is a bad  E word in the IT industry and everyone knows it.  And we know what Bob   "GQ" Palmer meant by "legacy".  7 Bring me the head of the person who wrote that article!   H One COULD argue that VAX and ALPHA hardware ARE legacy since production E has stopped or will stop and support will be limited.  However, that  A certainly applies to some other Compaq and HP hardware platforms.   4 WHY IS DIGITAL STUFF BEING SINGLED OUT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!  G However, since it is talking about "products and services", it implies  F much more than hardware.  In particular, it implies operating systems.? So, again, WHY IS DIGITAL STUFF BEING SINGLED OUT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!   H One could say I am reading too much into that.  But everyone knows what F bad vibes resulted from the word "legacy" with regard to the fine DEC  stuff in the past.    I Why did this word creep in?  Incompetence?  Deliberate decision to paint  H DIGITAL stuff in a bad light?  Mistake?  No, it can't be just a mistake A since such a mistake wouldn't survive a competent person who was  + responsible for the content of the article.   I I think the readers of this newsgroup deserve an official statement from  D the author of that article explaining what exactly was meant by the  quote above.  H I think that management just doesn't get the message.  Perhaps they are G confused by the fact that the people who express the most concern will  C continue to stick with VMS to the bitter end so they don't see any  H reason to re-assure them---why do so when they'll stick with VMS anyway.E The problem is with (potential and former) customers who don't spend  F their time trying to encourage HP to mend its ways or at least get an E official, believable (remember "NT on ALPHA is the future: invest in  I that") statement as to the goals of the company.  Interex is certainly a  B forum where potential customers will appear.  If they read in the E official brochure that DIGITAL stuff is legacy, but other pre-merger  G Compaq and HP stuff is not, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND WHAT IMPRESSION DO   YOU THINK THEY WILL GET?!   G I probably won't make it to Amsterdam.  Gorham, Marcello and other top  G brass will be there.  I think those should attend should ask them what  < the quote above means and if they agree with that statement.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:27:16 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> > Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!8 Message-ID: <p9oa9v01lcemhga2n4h4cagfq68t6n7s14@4ax.com>  8 On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:38:00 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:   I >One could say I am reading too much into that.  But everyone knows what  G >bad vibes resulted from the word "legacy" with regard to the fine DEC   >stuff in the past.     O I really think that you are reading too much into it. In fact to put a positive J spin on it perhaps we should be glad that Digital is mentioned at all. The* company has not existed for several years.  N If you check out http://www.hp-interex.org/conference2003/ which is an on-lineL version of the brochure that you received you will see on the first page theK invitation to 'Learn about the latest information on Alpha, PA-RISC, Intel J IA-32 and Itanium architectures' If you look at the agenda there are manyK sessions on OpenVMS. I'm particularly looking forward to 'Secure Web Server N (based on Apache) on OpenVMS' on the Wednesday afternoon:-) There will also beP many excellent demonstrations on the exhibition floor including the latest Alpha & Itanium systems.   N Incidentally Interex like DECUS & CUO is an independent user organisation & itP is they rather than HP who are responsible for the wording of the brochure & webB site. Any complaint should be directed at them rather than at Sue.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:42:19 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> > Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!; Message-ID: <01KUKFVCBDTSA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   J > > One could say I am reading too much into that.  But everyone knows wh= at=20 J > > bad vibes resulted from the word "legacy" with regard to the fine DEC= =20  > > stuff in the past. =20 >=20H > I really think that you are reading too much into it. In fact to put aI > positive spin on it perhaps we should be glad that Digital is mentioned ; > at all. The company has not existed for several years.=20   K Maybe it was an honest mistake.  However, it's like George Bush speaking=20 H of a "crusade" against terrorism.  I'm sure that he's not intelligent=20I enough to realise that, historically, this word refers to wars against=20 F Moslems, and thus wasn't the best choice of vocabulary, even if one=20K agreed with his mission statement.  I think there is a similar situation=20 F here.  The word has been mis-used so much in the context of Digital=20  stuff that it should be avoided.  H > If you check out http://www.hp-interex.org/conference2003/ which is anG > on-line version of the brochure that you received you will see on the E > first page the invitation to 'Learn about the latest information on E > Alpha, PA-RISC, Intel=AE IA-32 and Itanium=AE architectures' If you I > look at the agenda there are many sessions on OpenVMS. I'm particularly H > looking forward to 'Secure Web Server (based on Apache) on OpenVMS' on> > the Wednesday afternoon:-) There will also be many excellentE > demonstrations on the exhibition floor including the latest Alpha &  > Itanium=AE systems.=20  H Yes, there is some interesting stuff there.  But first, one will read=20 page 2.   > > Incidentally Interex like DECUS & CUO is an independent userF > organisation & it is they rather than HP who are responsible for theI > wording of the brochure & web site. Any complaint should be directed at  > them rather than at Sue.=20   I A fair cop.  However, HP should realise in its own interest---and they=20 B ARE associated with the event in a big way---that this could be=208 interpreted negatively even if it weren't meant as such.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 08:19:33 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) > Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0304100719.10dd98fa@posting.google.com>   B I feel VERY uncomfortable about this. I am a member of the programA committee for this conference and I have not been able to prevent C this. In fact, the word "legacy" is not in the draft version that I @ have right here on my desk. It has been put in at a later stage.  D I feel much the same way as Phillip expresses in his article. I willF discuss this in the committe, but the harm has been done. If something2 comes out of that discussion, I will let you know.   Regards,  	 Bart Zorn   | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KUK6TWW7GIA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...F > I received a brochure with the programme, registration form etc for 0 > Interex in Amsterdam.  On page 2 one can read: > D >    ...the...Conference...provides the ideal platform for users of F >    pre-merger HP and Compaq products and services (including legacy  >    DIGITAL systems)... > K > Of course, in and of itself "legacy" is not a bad word.  But it is a bad rG > word in the IT industry and everyone knows it.  And we know what Bob    > "GQ" Palmer meant by "legacy". > 9 > Bring me the head of the person who wrote that article!e > J > One COULD argue that VAX and ALPHA hardware ARE legacy since production G > has stopped or will stop and support will be limited.  However, that oC > certainly applies to some other Compaq and HP hardware platforms.w > 6 > WHY IS DIGITAL STUFF BEING SINGLED OUT?!?!?!?!?!?!?! > I > However, since it is talking about "products and services", it implies lH > much more than hardware.  In particular, it implies operating systems.A > So, again, WHY IS DIGITAL STUFF BEING SINGLED OUT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!  > J > One could say I am reading too much into that.  But everyone knows what H > bad vibes resulted from the word "legacy" with regard to the fine DEC  > stuff in the past.   > K > Why did this word creep in?  Incompetence?  Deliberate decision to paint lJ > DIGITAL stuff in a bad light?  Mistake?  No, it can't be just a mistake C > since such a mistake wouldn't survive a competent person who was  - > responsible for the content of the article.a > K > I think the readers of this newsgroup deserve an official statement from aF > the author of that article explaining what exactly was meant by the  > quote above. > J > I think that management just doesn't get the message.  Perhaps they are I > confused by the fact that the people who express the most concern will  E > continue to stick with VMS to the bitter end so they don't see any oJ > reason to re-assure them---why do so when they'll stick with VMS anyway.G > The problem is with (potential and former) customers who don't spend tH > their time trying to encourage HP to mend its ways or at least get an G > official, believable (remember "NT on ALPHA is the future: invest in fK > that") statement as to the goals of the company.  Interex is certainly a MD > forum where potential customers will appear.  If they read in the G > official brochure that DIGITAL stuff is legacy, but other pre-merger MI > Compaq and HP stuff is not, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND WHAT IMPRESSION DO B > YOU THINK THEY WILL GET?!r > I > I probably won't make it to Amsterdam.  Gorham, Marcello and other top ?I > brass will be there.  I think those should attend should ask them what o> > the quote above means and if they agree with that statement.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:25:12 GMTa" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU ID0 Message-ID: <00A1E2BA.CAD195A7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <3E94AC07.15726.15FA0FA@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:rJ >> How are you doing this, and how are you sure that EXE$GB_CPUTYPE is theL >> field being used (I'm only asking as I don't have VAX 7.3 source listings >> handy at the moment)? >g: >Me neither -- that's why I'm fumbling around in the dark. >dB >I get the locations from ANALYZE/SYSTEM, and they have the right  >values. >  >The steps I'm doing are:i >t >$ analyze/systemp >read sys$system:sysdef.stbo >show symbol/all >evaluate exe$gb_cputype >exit  >: >$ r sys$share:delta >[br >1;m >00010001:800084AC/14b                        ^^^^^^^^^^2 enter the new/desired value here and then <return> >exitl >$ x=f$getsyi("CPU") >$ sh sym xi   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMp            i5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" P   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 07:53:10 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)2  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU ID3 Message-ID: <0$nUQFL3MNjk@eisner.encompasserve.org>P  Z In article <3E946350.19299.4395FD@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:G > That is, I need to change the CPU ID that is reported by the $GETSYI eA > system service (x = f$getsyi ("CPU")).  It appears that symbol mD > EXE$GB_CPUTYPE is the responsible value.  On VAX VMS 7.3, it's at  > location 800084ac (hex). > H > I go into DELTA, and modify the location without any errors reported. G > But the location doesn't actually change value, regardless of what I t > type.o  B    I'm not sure DELTA has write access to this?  Did you use the W    command?   C    You might want to try XDELTA, or if the page is writeable simplyh*    write a routine to CMKRNL and write it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:03:20 +0100d9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>-  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU ID? Message-ID: <b671f7e04b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>>  , In message <3E946350.19299.4395FD@localhost>5           "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote:5  F > In the OpenVMS FAQ, there's a section on how to clear out the error H > count on a device by using DELTA.  I decided to use this approach for " > something related to CHARON-VAX. > H > I have a military customer who has migrated to CHARON-VAX, but a long-H > discontinued software product requires that the CPU ID be the same as ! > their original MicroVAX system.   J Have you considered patching the offending code? We had a product licensedJ on two Vaxes, which checked that the CPUID=VAX1 AND CPUID=VAX2 (impossibleK on those old Vaxes, where CPUID was unique. We used PATCH to track down thebL operating system call which returned the CPUID and altered the test to pass.  L As the vendor didn't fix the code, we had to do this each time a new version was issued.D  I The approach was to write a small program which asked for the CPUID, then-L disassembled that to get the address of the system routine. Then using PATCHB we found the same call in the code we needed to fix, and fixed it.   -- W
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/V   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:33:06 GMT2" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU ID0 Message-ID: <00A1E2CC.A9063E34@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <0$nUQFL3MNjk@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:2[ >In article <3E946350.19299.4395FD@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:2H >> That is, I need to change the CPU ID that is reported by the $GETSYI B >> system service (x = f$getsyi ("CPU")).  It appears that symbol E >> EXE$GB_CPUTYPE is the responsible value.  On VAX VMS 7.3, it's at l >> location 800084ac (hex).0 >> 5I >> I go into DELTA, and modify the location without any errors reported. 2H >> But the location doesn't actually change value, regardless of what I  >> type. > C >   I'm not sure DELTA has write access to this?  Did you use the W  >   command?   What W command?V    D >   You might want to try XDELTA, or if the page is writeable simply+ >   write a routine to CMKRNL and write it.    DELTA works just fine.    OpenVMS (TM) VAX System analyzer   SDA> exam EXE$GB_CPUTYPE" EXE$GB_CPUTYPE:  00015314   ".S.." SDA> eval EXE$GB_CPUTYPE> Hex = 800084AC   Decimal = -2147449684          EXE$GB_CPUTYPE SDA> spawn run sys$share:delta DELTA Version 5.0  1;mT 00000001   [b   00010001:800084AC/14 12-   00010001:800084AC/12 exit   SDA> exam EXE$GB_CPUTYPE" EXE$GB_CPUTYPE:  00015312   ".S.."	 SDA> exit- $-       --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMu            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" f   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:23:46 -0400t* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU ID- Message-ID: <3E954632.20928.1373EF@localhost>e   > >00010001:800084AC/14W" >                       ^^^^^^^^^^4 > enter the new/desired value here and then <return>  A Sorry -- I was too cryptic.  The "/" causes DELTA to display the J* current value.  The "14" is the new value.  F I am now able to write this value there, but it's still not affecting ? the F$GETSYI ("CPU").  I might be looking in the wrong place...e  
 --Stan Quaylep Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671a1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147j= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:27:17 -0400l* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU ID- Message-ID: <3E954705.23437.16AF23@localhost>g  D >    I'm not sure DELTA has write access to this?  Did you use the W
 >    command?o  F Entering "W" causes the wonderful "EH?" message.  Regardless, I'm now @ correctly entering the value -- it stays set.  But the F$GETSYI  doesn't change.c  6 Anyone have any source listings?  I can't find mine...  L >    if the page is writeable simply write a routine to CMKRNL and write it.   That's my eventual plan.    
 --Stan Quayles Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671t1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147o= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comh   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:41:47 GMTa" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU ID0 Message-ID: <00A1E2DE.A2DC4AAC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <3E954632.20928.1373EF@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes: >> >00010001:800084AC/14# >>                       ^^^^^^^^^^n5 >> enter the new/desired value here and then <return>n >oB >Sorry -- I was too cryptic.  The "/" causes DELTA to display the + >current value.  The "14" is the new value.r >eG >I am now able to write this value there, but it's still not affecting t@ >the F$GETSYI ("CPU").  I might be looking in the wrong place...  E Yeap.  $GETSYI decodes this from the SID processor register.  For VAXpD implementations, this is internal processor register #3E.  DELTA canB be used to write to IPRs, if they're not read-only, using P<IPR#>/? For example, P14/  I do not believe you can modify the SID IPR.c   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMl            d5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" .   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:43:24 -0700g9 From: "gregc at gregcagle.com" <"gregc at gregcagle.com">v Subject: Re: COV Sponsorso/ Message-ID: <v9b7pi82itm2e4@corp.supernews.com>    John Smith wrote:eF > "gregc at gregcagle.com" <"gregc at gregcagle.com"> wrote in message+ > news:v99q9l839hah27@corp.supernews.com...t >  >>Bill Todd wrote: >>@ >>>"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message, >>>news:3E94C379.2214F7F2@vl.videotron.ca... >>>o >>>... >>>p >>>r >>>J9 >>>>The big question is WHO TOLD CARLY VMS HAD NO FUTURE.p >>>r >>>J= >>>What makes you think that she didn't come up with the idea. >  > herself?  Both > : >>>she and Capellas publicly subscribed to the move toward >  > standardized > : >>>hardware and software both before and after the merger. >>2 >>What makes you think she even knows what VMS is? >> >>? >>>And once her mind is made up, I wouldn't bet on changing it.x >> >>That's for sure 8^). >  >  > - > A  previously posted c.o.v. message........a   OK - must have missed that one.p   - Greg   -- C
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:37:05 GMT.# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a Subject: Re: COV SponsorsaD Message-ID: <R4hla.1594$CV.938@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  D "gregc at gregcagle.com" <"gregc at gregcagle.com"> wrote in message) news:v99q9l839hah27@corp.supernews.com...a > Bill Todd wrote:A > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messageS- > > news:3E94C379.2214F7F2@vl.videotron.ca...  > >v > > .... > >e > >l9 > >>The big question is WHO TOLD CARLY VMS HAD NO FUTURE.v > >t > >p> > > What makes you think that she didn't come up with the idea herself?  Both; > > she and Capellas publicly subscribed to the move towardS standardized; > > hardware and software both before and after the merger.e >v2 > What makes you think she even knows what VMS is? >o@ > > And once her mind is made up, I wouldn't bet on changing it. >e > That's for sure 8^).    + A  previously posted c.o.v. message........a  2 From: Sue Skonetski (susan.skonetski@redacted.com)( Subject: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsn Date: 2002-06-06 12:26:24 PSTn    E I know that this is going to start a lot of discussion but I think itt is	 worth it.d  ! Don Harbert did the introductionsn  F Without a doubt Carly is the best speaker I have ever heard and a veryF classy lady.  She used no notes, no podium she spoke for about an hour ande$ took questions for about 45 minutes.  E She started out by congratulating OpenVMS on our 25th anniversary and C commenting on the amount of revenue that VMS has bought in over then last 25)0 years. That number is confidential but its huge.  D She then told us how she had been at MIT and had gone to the mill to meetD Ken Olson and since that time she had always been impressed with theB products developed by DEC (her word) and the products developed in ZKO.  B She was straight forward and honest with us, and she said that the roadmaps are our commitment.i  A I gave her an OpenVMS Ambassadors shirt which she put on and thene Jackie4 Kahle gave her a Tru64 and an OpenVMS License plate.  B At one point the ZKO choir sang a funny song that they had written	 about theBF hp merger when they were gone she got off the stage and went and thank alle of them personally.e  E She has  a very clear vision of what she wants and where we are goingt ande@ she has my vote and I would guess most of ZKO, I do not remember anyoneC getting a standing ovation in ZKO before (this is New England after- all).-   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Apr 2003 02:35 CDTR' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)j/ Subject: RE: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIXI- Message-ID: <10APR200302353958@gerg.tamu.edu>p  ' "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes...mF }>All in all, the best solution is for the relevant governmental typesF }>to get rid of the moronic daylight savings time. It is just a stupid; }>idea that should have never been used in the first place.d } E }I don't agree, it improves the quality of life.  Now Fred can get ine	 }18-holeso }after work:-) }>
 }>--- Carl  E Daylight Savings Time has nothing to do with that, as such. It's justhE from getting up and going to work an hour earlier so that you get offrE work an hour earlier (well, that and the longer days). If you want tofI do that, then just do it - leave the damn clocks alone (especially mine)."   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:30:04 -0500u# From: Rich Faust <faustrj@taii.net>a- Subject: Re: DECwindows on multiple VMS hostss' Message-ID: <3E959C0C.4050001@taii.net>-   This is a test, please ignore.   Rich   Denny Rich wrote: E > I have Reflections REFX running on my PC under NT. We have multiple-H > VMS nodes, some VAX (V7.1VMS) and some Alpha (V7.3-1). I can point theB > REFX server at any node licensed for Motif, say NodeE, and get aD > session manager running. Then its possible to start a decterm, setC > host to NodeA, create a display pointing to the PC, then create a2E > decterm that pops up on the PC.  Note there are at least 2 dectermstG > running: one on NodeE and one on NodeA, required to get this to work.a > H > I would like to start DECterms on other nodes without the intermediateE > decterm. So somehow, i have to login and run the create/display andVG > create/term commands without use of a DECterm, and I seem to remember  > I did this in another life.  > G > In that other life, I would fire up a 3100 workstation in the morningYD > and then some login script would present me with a DECterm runningH > from each of the VMS client nodes - with no intermediate logins that i > was aware of.X > 0 > However, I cannot remember the command syntax. > 2 > It would seem that somehow, I have to launch theH > "create/display-create/term" pair of commands, but without logging in. > E > Has my memory been affected by errant alpha particles? or am I justE > unable to see the obvious? >  > TIA for any commentary.O > denny    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:51:49 +02007' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>V$ Subject: Re: DFGE01027 and clusters?2 Message-ID: <3E9530A5.2090607@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   Rick Dyson wrote:lO > Has anyone applied the ECO to DFO v2.7 in a clustered environment?  I think I N > am having problems but wanted to ask around to see if it is maybe just me... > I > My standalone Alphas are fine and the mail bug appears fixed, but in my- > clustered-O > systems it seems like the manager dies after completing a job and sending therK > mail.  A job started later just sits and does not start executing until Ir
 > shutdown > and then restart.fG I run DFO E2.7 on a 7.3-1 cluster with one bootmember and 2 satelites. aH It just runs fine: it starts new scripts after the previous one and the  manager doe not die.                      Jouk.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:46:14 -0700S+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>s' Subject: Re: Framemaker to Bookreader ?v' Message-ID: <3E959FD6.2090607@MMaz.com>r   JF Mezei wrote:v   >Bob Koehler wrote:a >    >tC >>>Are there minimum versions of paper and human required?   <grin>j	 >>>      t >>>.H >>   Paper 1.0 will do.  Human 6.2 or greater is generally required, but( >>   some humans do well enough earlier. >>     >> >CO >Paper 1.0 won't do for large documents. You need to upgrade to Forest 3.7. Andi; >you need to take a high tech course "Paper Shuffling 101".e >  d >WG Auh, the days of the Blue, Orange and Grey shelves...  Bring them on...t   Barrye   -- r  @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028a   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 04:32:35 -0700+ From: mark.round7@ntlworld.com (Mark Round)o& Subject: Help installing hobbyist kits= Message-ID: <28602a55.0304100332.2178599e@posting.google.com>p   Hi all,   A I'm now slowly getting the hang of VMS. Got a long way to go, butA still...E My major problem at the moment is installing the extra kits availablee on the hobbyist VAX CD.    I can get tcpip to install :-a    $ set def dua1:[kits]  $ dir   Directory DUA1:[KITS]   < BASIC039_KIT.DIR;1  CC064_KIT.DIR;1     DCE_VAX030_KIT.DIR;1' DCPSVAX021_KIT.DIR;1                   l  DECNET_PHASE_IV_VAX073_KIT.DIR;1; DECNET_PLUS_VAX073_KIT.DIR;1            DECSET124_KIT.DIR;1e DTRA072A2_KIT.DIR;1r@ DWMOTIF_VAX125_KIT.DIR;1                DWMOTIF_VAX126_KIT.DIR;1; FORT066_KIT.DIR;1   KERBEROS_VAX010_KIT.DIR;1              r PASCAL058_KIT.DIR;1n@ TCPIP_VAX051_KIT.DIR;1                  VMSI18N_VAX073_KIT.DIR;1   Total of 15 files.=  $ product install tcpip /source=dua1:[kits.tcpip_vax051_kit]p  ( The following product has been selected::     DEC VAXVMS TCPIP V5.1-15               Layered Product  1 Do you want to continue? [YES] ... blah blah blahl  9 But I am having trouble with pretty much everything else.)6 For instance, I tried to install decnet plus like so :    $ product install decnet_plus* /source=dua1:[kits.decnet_plus_vax073_kit]  ? %PCSIUI-I-NOMATCH, no products were found matching: DECNET_PLUSPA %PCSIUI-E-NOPROD, no products were found on which to perform thisl	 operationaC %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable errora	 conditioni  D What am I doing wrong ? How do I find out what the product name is ?   Any help appreciated!a   Thanks,v   -Markv   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:50:24 GMTl3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)P* Subject: Re: Help installing hobbyist kits0 Message-ID: <kMdla.590$4u4.178@news.cpqcorp.net>  > In article <28602a55.0304100332.2178599e@posting.google.com>, - mark.round7@ntlworld.com (Mark Round) writes:.   > $ product install decnet_plusP+ >/source=dua1:[kits.decnet_plus_vax073_kit]j >.@ >%PCSIUI-I-NOMATCH, no products were found matching: DECNET_PLUS ..  D For historical reasons, the "formal product name" of the DECnet Plus8 kit is "DECNET_OSI".  So your install command should be:  K     $ product install decnet_osi /source=dua1:[kits.decnet_plus_vax073_kit]a  $ To see a list of product names, try:  *     $ product find * /source=dua1:[kits.*]  B You can also use [kits.*] as the /source for your product install.B If you want to see the specific dirctories for kits, then set your@ terminal to 132 col ($ SET TERM /WIDTH=132) and add /FULL to the
 product find.p   Enjoy!   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:08:40 GMTr, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>* Subject: Re: Help installing hobbyist kits9 Message-ID: <s1ela.280$cw.184@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>.   How about this:n  0 $ set default dua1:[kits.decnet_plus_vax073_kit] $ product install *e  B You will presented with a list of products it finds (.PCSI files). Select what you like by number.n  A I find this easier than trying to figure out from the file names.n   Jima    >  $ product install decnet_plus, > /source=dua1:[kits.decnet_plus_vax073_kit] >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:09:46 +0100i9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>.* Subject: Re: Help installing hobbyist kits? Message-ID: <5508f8e04b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>v  < In message <28602a55.0304100332.2178599e@posting.google.com>6           mark.round7@ntlworld.com (Mark Round) wrote:  	 > Hi all,  > C > I'm now slowly getting the hang of VMS. Got a long way to go, butp
 > still...G > My major problem at the moment is installing the extra kits available  > on the hobbyist VAX CD.r >  > I can get tcpip to install :-e >  >  $ set def dua1:[kits] >  $ dir >  > Directory DUA1:[KITS]a > > > BASIC039_KIT.DIR;1  CC064_KIT.DIR;1     DCE_VAX030_KIT.DIR;1) > DCPSVAX021_KIT.DIR;1                    " > DECNET_PHASE_IV_VAX073_KIT.DIR;1= > DECNET_PLUS_VAX073_KIT.DIR;1            DECSET124_KIT.DIR;1p > DTRA072A2_KIT.DIR;1dB > DWMOTIF_VAX125_KIT.DIR;1                DWMOTIF_VAX126_KIT.DIR;1= > FORT066_KIT.DIR;1   KERBEROS_VAX010_KIT.DIR;1              a > PASCAL058_KIT.DIR;1lB > TCPIP_VAX051_KIT.DIR;1                  VMSI18N_VAX073_KIT.DIR;1 >  > Total of 15 files.? >  $ product install tcpip /source=dua1:[kits.tcpip_vax051_kit]e > * > The following product has been selected:< >     DEC VAXVMS TCPIP V5.1-15               Layered Product > 3 > Do you want to continue? [YES] ... blah blah blaha > ; > But I am having trouble with pretty much everything else.c8 > For instance, I tried to install decnet plus like so : >   >  $ product install decnet_plus, > /source=dua1:[kits.decnet_plus_vax073_kit] > A > %PCSIUI-I-NOMATCH, no products were found matching: DECNET_PLUSeC > %PCSIUI-E-NOPROD, no products were found on which to perform this. > operationnE > %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable errore > conditions > F > What am I doing wrong ? How do I find out what the product name is ? >  > Any help appreciated!j  G In most cases the distribution directories contain a single product. InzL those cases PRODUCT INSTALL * /SOURCE=disk:[directory] will find the product for you.  A In other cases the product may use VMSINSTAL rather than PRODUCT.i  ! You can identify them as follows:T  J For PRODUCT INSTALL the directory will contain at least one something.PCSI file.t  F For VMSINSTAL the directory will contain something.A, something.B etc.  $ To use VMSINSTAL, type the following  ( @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL * disk:[directory]  L If there is more than one product in the directory you can choose which one, or choose all.   Alan   -- p
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:24:11 -0400l From: norm.raphael@metso.com4 Subject: How do I disable LOCK on DECWindows console? Message-ID: <OFF0C6004C.533C3BB6-ON85256D04.004EF45E@metso.com>s  J When I reboot, and log in to my AlphaServer, the DECWINDOWS LOCK is set to  F 30 minutes.  I can modify or disable it, but the change is not sticky.  D What do I set, and where do I set it to shut this off, or change the        interval?   -NormH   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:12:43 +0000 (UTC)e, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)8 Subject: Re: How do I disable LOCK on DECWindows console- Message-ID: <b7455r$vq$2@newslocal.mitre.org>    norm.raphael@metso.com writes in article <OFF0C6004C.533C3BB6-ON85256D04.004EF45E@metso.com> dated Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:24:11 -0400:a >rK >When I reboot, and log in to my AlphaServer, the DECWINDOWS LOCK is set toi >nG >30 minutes.  I can modify or disable it, but the change is not sticky.T  K This is one of the bad features of Decwindows:  You have to log out to save"I your user preferences.  This is bad for people like you and me who reboot  more often than we log out.   	 Try this:    Log in Disable the lockingt Log outw Log in again  I That's the only way I know how to do it.  Is there a better one, anybody?p  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgL> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:46:20 +0100.( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>" Subject: Re: in need for vms 5.5-2) Message-ID: <3E95133C.C8C98701@127.0.0.1>o   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > b > In article <c72bf925.0304090828.a784bb@posting.google.com>, alex.schamari@gmx.net (Alex) writes:    A > > I know about the limitations for upgrading to newer versions.eC > > But I find it very interesting that with a new (7.3 eg) licenseM' > > I could use any older version, too.  > > Can anybody confirm that?u > A > Yes, that statement is true about licenses (but not necessarilyaB > PAKs and their predecessor mechanisms, particularly when running > on VMS V5.1 or earlier).   Pre LMF licensing:  F DECnet is an interesting case because you used to get a key on a TK50.G However I think it is now on the freeware disks. Any other DEC productsaC have odd licensing? Didn't user licences come on a tape (or consolet media) as well?h   -- r? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Scienceso nclews at csc dot comh   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:11:49 +0100t9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>s" Subject: Re: in need for vms 5.5-2? Message-ID: <4738f8e04b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>s  ( In message <3E95133C.C8C98701@127.0.0.1>3           Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:r   > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > d > > In article <c72bf925.0304090828.a784bb@posting.google.com>, alex.schamari@gmx.net (Alex) writes: >  > C > > > I know about the limitations for upgrading to newer versions. E > > > But I find it very interesting that with a new (7.3 eg) license ) > > > I could use any older version, too.d > > > Can anybody confirm that?h > > C > > Yes, that statement is true about licenses (but not necessarily-D > > PAKs and their predecessor mechanisms, particularly when running > > on VMS V5.1 or earlier). >  > Pre LMF licensing: > H > DECnet is an interesting case because you used to get a key on a TK50.I > However I think it is now on the freeware disks. Any other DEC productsLE > have odd licensing? Didn't user licences come on a tape (or console  > media) as well?   H Infoserver, where the license keys came on a CD. (The smallest amount of$ useful data I've ever seen on a CD.)  K Sadly when I had a routine clearout of the old Condist CDs I also threw outpA the CD key for the Infoserver. Fortunately the disk never broke. s   -- n
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:49:25 GMTf# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>iG Subject: Re: Inquirer: HP's Alpha RetainTrust programme a complete bustmE Message-ID: <pghla.1602$CV.1016@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>y  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message., news:IUOdnQdK-4sybQyjXTWc2Q@metrocast.net... >S0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD > news:O3gka.79644$pNv.62566@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >eD > > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in9 > > message news:8lFVUM90oDKb@eisner.encompasserve.org...o > > > In articleA > > <Bqija.37622$pNv.20975@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,r "John&# > > Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:i > > > > D > > > > The cost of porting is being paid by Intel, so it's not HP's money  > > > > that's being spent.- > > > ( > > >    Says who?  (Reference, please). > >r > >h > > Looking. >BB > Thanks - I'm curious myself.  While Intel has made it clear that it'sA > willing to pay for ports to Itanic, and while it seems entirelys	 plausiblecB > that part of the Alphacide agreement involved paying for the VMS port (ifC > only because Compaq has shown so little interest in funding *any*r	 long-termnF > VMS development - and given the expressed intention of keeping AlphaC > available for several years the actual need for a port definitelyi	 qualifieseA > as long-term), I don't know of any hard evidence to that effecta (aside from A > vague comments from Compaq honchos at the time of the Alphacide  aboutkF > significant numbers of pieces of silver they were getting from Intel forh > it). >e > - bill    : I have not found the 'smoking gun' but there is sufficient circumstantial evidence....u    ? http://news.com.com/2100-1001-268944.html?legacy=cnet&tag=ch_mhi  C "Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed. The companies saidTC the deal is a nonexclusive licensing agreement. Intel will hire the E majority of Alpha engineers, some of whom will remain at Compaq untilo@ they complete AlphaServer projects now under way. No layoffs are: expected as a result of the deal, a Compaq executive said.  D Compaq will transfer the majority of its Alpha development tools andF engineering resources to Intel, which also will be granted licenses to. use Alpha processor technology and compilers."   and   F "Compaq also agreed to port its Tru64 Unix, OpenVMS and NonStop Kernel@ operating systems to Itanium. At the same time, Compaq and Intel= agreed to jointly develop future high-end computing products.h  ? Capellas rebuffed concerns that the deal could raise regulatoryuD issues. "We've obviously looked at it pretty carefully, and we don'tD believe there are any regulatory roadblocks that may fall," he said.C "Quite frankly, this is nonexclusive, so we believe this is just anh- extension of competition in the marketplace."d    E Interesting choice of words, 'Compaq will transfer the majority ....'l% and  'Compaq also agreed to port ...'   E Compaq and Intel exchanged commitments and assets (money for propertypA and intentions). To say that Compaq would have spent the money on-C porting VMS to Itanic in absence of killing Alpha is unlikely. That@D Intel sweetened the deal by coughing up additional money to make the? port 'cost free' to Compaq is highly probable. The assets IntelnB acquired in the deal were considerable - both in technology, brainF power, lessened competition, increased sales potential for Itanic, andF bragging rights to have other 'enterprise' operating systems ported toD Itanic. Any half-assed prosecutor would be able to convince any jury< that the porting funding for VMS is 'proceeds of the crime'.     --------------  B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy (andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com)$ Subject: Re: The secret Alpha memo..# View: Complete Thread (99 articles)  Original Formatg% Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec, comp.os.vmsr Date: 1999/07/06     "Paul DeMone wrote:d  * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > > B > > OpenVMS is dead its official. Well not quite but the lack of a mentionaB > > of OpenVMS or even NSK is rather revealing. Compaq are only toB > > happy to talk about increasing investment in Tru64, SCO, Linux7 > > and NT but they don't even admit to owning OpenVMS.  > C >    By the same logic SPARC is toast because Sun is spending *its*bF >    precious R&D dollars porting Solaris to IA-64.  (Actually a smartA >    move since the US-III will likely be one of the few flagshipf# >    RISCs slower than Merced.  ;-)  >   C This is hardly news, Sun has been spending its precious R&D dollarsoF on porting Solaris to x86 for a lot longer than any IA-64 expenditure.  ? There is one huge difference though between Sun porting SolarisfA to x86/IA64 and Compaq pumping $100 million into Tru64 marketing.   < ***Firstly Intel are providing funding for the IA-64 Solaris port.....*** "    F So Intel funds the Solaris port and not the VMS port? Seems to me that< Compaq/HP would require at least equal treatment from Intel.     -----------------   A http://www.compaq.ch/exclude/winnercircle/abo_win_OVMS_Update.ppte  D Slide #5  - "Intel and Compaq commit significant joint resources and investments..."     & --------------------------------------  2 Other goodies which may have influenced events....    A http://news.com.com/2100-1001-204478.html?legacy=cnet&tag=rltdnwsa   October 21, 1997, 6:10 PM PT  E If Digital Equipment and Intel settle their patent infringement cases ? this week, the settlement could mark Digital's convergence withtF Intel's 64-bit architecture, the foundation of Intel's next-generation Merced chip.  B Apparently, under the proposed terms of settlement, Intel will payA Digital consideration worth $1.6 billion, with nearly half of theoB total coming in the form of soft dollars, processor discounts, andF development and manufacturing assistance, a huge amount of nonmonetaryD consideration that would make sense only if Digital were planning toC move away from its own Alpha architecture and toward Intel's 64-bite Merced chip.  @ "It makes sense only if Digital was planning to convert to IA-64B [Intel's 64-bit architecture] in the future," said Linley Gwennap,D editor-in-chief of The Microprocessor Report. "It doesn't make senseD that Intel would be 'fabbing' [manufacturing] the main competitor to Merced for an indefinite time.     --------------------------    D Then we come to one of my favorite topics....marketing & advertising        ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=2221  @ "Gartner assessment: The full porting will cost no more than $40E million over a three-year period, although the entire cost, includingt? e-business infrastructure, scaling, system management and other-9 modernizing capabilities, will run to about $200 million.a  F Compaq: Gartner has inflated the OpenVMS engineering cost for the port@ by 500%, with the implication being that we will not do the portD because it is two costly. Our estimate is that the port will requireB between 25 and 40 engineers to do over a three year period, with aF cost of $30 to $40 million."...later CPQ added "During the discussion,@ the $200M investment was further clarified as the entire OpenVMSD business investment - not just that related to the Itanium efforts."     ....  = "Gartner assessment: "according to Compaq's records, [OpenVMSmD installed base] stands at 400,000 systems although we believe activeB production systems could be 30 percent to 40 percent lower, with aB large-enough maintenance revenue stream (estimated at more than $1- billion annually) that is too high to ignore.t  F Compaq: Gartner assessment the OpenVMS installed base is 30 - 40 lowerF than the 411,000 systems and the $2 billion in service revenue that we provided them.  D In summary, we believe that the Gartner Group Research Note has overE estimated the cost of the port, under estimated the size and value ofr< the customer base, as well as the economic benefits of lower development costs."-  F ***[funny that...still no signs of marketing or advertising for such a  'valuable' and profitable asset]   ....  A "Second, the cost-savings that accrue to the OpenVMS P&L from nots> having to fund long-term Alpha chip or hardware development isE significant, making the OpenVMS business even more profitable than itu was.  E Given the profitability of the OpenVMS business (made more profitable,A by the IPF decision) and the large and happy/loyal installed baseoF (411,000 systems), there is no business justification to abandon these7 customers and cope with the ill will that will result."u  F echo...***[funny that...still no signs of marketing or advertising for' such a 'valuable' and profitable asset]e     --------------------    C http://www.hoise.com/primeur/02/articles/monthly/UH-PR-01-02-1.htmld  = Here's an interesting bit about Tru64...with implications forj
 OpenVMS...  A "The operating system issue challenging, as Tru64 Unix reached #4sA market position, 7% share with possible growth to 10%. But is was D difficult to reach #1 or #2 position, greater than 30% share, in the2 near future - primarily because of ISV portfolio."  E So we have Tru64 which may have had a 7-10% market share, principally E due to lack of ISV applications relative to other unix offerings, yetw; OpenVMS with a much smaller market share and even fewer ISVf2 applications is still alive...for how much longer?     and then there is this gem.....   D "Compaq announced to deepen its communication with the customers andE integrate key customer program across Tru64 Unix and OpenVMS building(D on best practices. They plan customer councils and forums as well as1 partner communications and one on one marketing."u  6 Howls of derisive laughter greet their efforts so far.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:03:15 +0100u( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>% Subject: Re: Is license transferable?-) Message-ID: <3E951733.1AAAFA11@127.0.0.1>h   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > w > In article <So0la.1065$DM5.561745@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, "Phillip R Sobottke" <psobottke@ameritech.net> writes:s > O > > We have several old Dec3000's and have purchased several DS-10's to replace1N > > them.  My question is do We have to purchase new VMS license's for the newM > > machines?  Or can we simply buy new media and then transfer the license's<F > > over (as long as we don't continue to use the license's on the old > > machines)? > M > This is not legal for VMS itself, since these are Category 1 licenses.  See< > 8 >         http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=xfer  F In addition, when you perform a transfer, and you wish to upgrade that1 licence you have to upgrade the original license.s  G e.g. transfer a licence from a GS140 to a DS10, and if you upgraded it,eD you'd have to pay the GS140 upgrade fees, not the DS10 upgrade fees, just to be clear.>  9 (I think the Axp 3000 and DS10 are the same class though)f --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences? nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:14:27 +0100 (MET)a9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r& Subject: last-accessed date/time field; Message-ID: <01KUK8O2WCOMA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>X  H IIRC, some time in the future VMS will introduce a new date/time field, G namely the last date/time a file was ACCESSED.  I believe this is part d of the COE stuff.   * With what version of VMS will this appear?  H What I want to do is determine whether the contents of a directory have H changed.  Presumably, this field would be updated then.  (Of course, it : might be updated for other reasons; that's not a problem.)  I If this will be too long in coming, what do folks recommend?  Efficiency -H and the ability to do so from a compiled program are requirements.  Use H SYS$SYSTEM:CHECKSUM (is there an (undocumented, of course) interface to G that to call it from within a compiled program?)?  Count the number of W files in the directory?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:02:01 +0100-( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field) Message-ID: <3E955D39.85953552@127.0.0.1>t   Phillip Helbig wrote:  > I > IIRC, some time in the future VMS will introduce a new date/time field,aH > namely the last date/time a file was ACCESSED.  I believe this is part > of the COE stuff.1 > , > With what version of VMS will this appear? > I > What I want to do is determine whether the contents of a directory have I > changed.  Presumably, this field would be updated then.  (Of course, itp< > might be updated for other reasons; that's not a problem.) > J > If this will be too long in coming, what do folks recommend?  EfficiencyI > and the ability to do so from a compiled program are requirements.  UseeI > SYS$SYSTEM:CHECKSUM (is there an (undocumented, of course) interface toaH > that to call it from within a compiled program?)?  Count the number of > files in the directory?   G You could arguably use EXPIRATION dates and set a very short expirationeG "window", but you'd also have a performance overhead and the updates to G the field. There is a DNS/WIS article that discusses how the expiration F date works. PerfectDisk defragmenter is a product that uses this fieldD to determine the difference between "warehouse" files and ordinary / volatile files.   G From the remainder of your question it looks as if you want to test the F directory file in order to see if a file within it [the directory] hasG changed. But can't you also open a file for write access but still make B no changes? Is changing protection or ACL's modifying the file? Is1 changing the date field modifying the file? (sic)>  < Time to spill the beans about the problem you want to solve!   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencess nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 07:41:20 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)c* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field3 Message-ID: <tE0omyi2t0mb@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  w In article <01KUK8O2WCOMA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:uJ > IIRC, some time in the future VMS will introduce a new date/time field, I > namely the last date/time a file was ACCESSED.  I believe this is part   > of the COE stuff.  > , > With what version of VMS will this appear? > J > What I want to do is determine whether the contents of a directory have J > changed.  Presumably, this field would be updated then.  (Of course, it < > might be updated for other reasons; that's not a problem.) > K > If this will be too long in coming, what do folks recommend?  Efficiency  D > and the ability to do so from a compiled program are requirements.  G Use the Expiration Date feature of ODS.  It is much more efficient than " the future Accessed field will be.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:29:46 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>C* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field; Message-ID: <01KUKFFAS6XKA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   I > From the remainder of your question it looks as if you want to test theaH > directory file in order to see if a file within it [the directory] has > changed.    D Not if the FILE has CHANGED but rather if the FILE now exists where H before it didn't and I'm assuming that the most efficient way to detect 2 this would be to see if the DIRECTORY had changed.  @ > But can't you also open a file for write access but still makeD > no changes? Is changing protection or ACL's modifying the file? Is3 > changing the date field modifying the file? (sic)m > > > Time to spill the beans about the problem you want to solve!  > I'm not concerned about modifications to the file, but rather G modifications to the directory (file) caused by new files being copied s there.  E At the moment, the application uses F$SEARCH (or---I didn't write it eH myself---probably a system (library) call) to see if the file exists in H the directory---and does this for a relatively long list of files.  The I files don't appear too often, but when they do, action needs to be taken  E quickly.  Thus the idea was to insert the line with trailing comment p into this pseudocode:h   loop wait= see if directory file has changed, if so then-     ! new line  search for files	 goto loops   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:46:30 +0100 (MET)o9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> * Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field; Message-ID: <01KUKG6ECSHYA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>c  I > Use the Expiration Date feature of ODS.  It is much more efficient than6$ > the future Accessed field will be.  I How can I use this to tell me that the directory file has changed (since aI a new file has arrived in it; I know it can change for other reasons and   this is not a worry).e   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 07:31:21 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0304100631.5976bf99@posting.google.com>e  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KUK8O2WCOMA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...J > IIRC, some time in the future VMS will introduce a new date/time field, I > namely the last date/time a file was ACCESSED.  I believe this is part r > of the COE stuff.  > , > With what version of VMS will this appear? > J > What I want to do is determine whether the contents of a directory have J > changed.  Presumably, this field would be updated then.  (Of course, it < > might be updated for other reasons; that's not a problem.) > K > If this will be too long in coming, what do folks recommend?  Efficiency tJ > and the ability to do so from a compiled program are requirements.  Use J > SYS$SYSTEM:CHECKSUM (is there an (undocumented, of course) interface to I > that to call it from within a compiled program?)?  Count the number of r > files in the directory?g    3 $ SET VOLUME disk /RETENTION=(0-0:0:0.0,0-0:0:0.01)-  T Then, use DIRECTORY/DATE=EXPIRED blah.DIR;1 to see the last access of the directory.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmany   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 09:17:24 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field3 Message-ID: <ruhYNzTWvU+w@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  w In article <01KUKG6ECSHYA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:dJ >> Use the Expiration Date feature of ODS.  It is much more efficient than% >> the future Accessed field will be.a > K > How can I use this to tell me that the directory file has changed (since gK > a new file has arrived in it; I know it can change for other reasons and i > this is not a worry).n  A If the expiration date is farther out than the earliest tolerable ? expiration date for a currently changed file, then the file (in-0 your case, directory) has been recently changed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:50:44 +0100i( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field) Message-ID: <3E9584C4.D1AE0B34@127.0.0.1>e   Phillip Helbig wrote:  >   F > At the moment, the application uses F$SEARCH (or---I didn't write itI > myself---probably a system (library) call) to see if the file exists intI > the directory---and does this for a relatively long list of files.  ThetJ > files don't appear too often, but when they do, action needs to be takenF > quickly.  Thus the idea was to insert the line with trailing comment > into this pseudocode:o >  > loop > wait? > see if directory file has changed, if so then-     ! new linet > search for files > goto loopu  G OK. I'm not sure that it is "safe" to use a directory modification datetD as a test to see if anything has changed, either read or write. e.g.E image backup "reads" a file but never touches expiration dates. Would A SET FILE/ENTER modify the destination directory in the same way an> created file would? (I'm being a rhetorical devil's advocate!)  G I guess it seems tempting to make it more efficient, but I'd personally B feel nervous about using the directory file itself as a 'flag' for( contents thereof changing. Just me IMHO.   -- t? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesl nclews at csc dot comy   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:59:08 +0100 (MET)h9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field; Message-ID: <01KUKIMCG0VSA9QRGF@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>.   > > loop > > waitA > > see if directory file has changed, if so then-     ! new linet > > search for files
 > > goto loopo > I > OK. I'm not sure that it is "safe" to use a directory modification datevF > as a test to see if anything has changed, either read or write. e.g.G > image backup "reads" a file but never touches expiration dates. WouldnC > SET FILE/ENTER modify the destination directory in the same way am@ > created file would? (I'm being a rhetorical devil's advocate!)  D Well, what I want to test for is whether a file has appeared in the I directory which wasn't there before.  This would imply a WRITE access to .F the .DIR.  (Just doing DIR/TOTAL won't work, since the same number of / files might have arrived as have been deleted.)J  I > I guess it seems tempting to make it more efficient, but I'd personally0D > feel nervous about using the directory file itself as a 'flag' for* > contents thereof changing. Just me IMHO.  G Some tests show that this works.  One sees a new expiration date on the>@ directory which is a couple of hundredths of a second before the* expiration date of the newly created file.  G It must be documented somewhere whether the expiration date is changed eE if the directory is written to (which is of course the case if a new .E file appears in it---and for a SET FILE/ENTER as well).  If so, then   this seems a safe thing to do.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:14:07 GMTe  From: Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com>* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time fieldK Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304101012280.6482-100000@localhost.localdomain>6  * On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Phillip Helbig wrote:  E > Some tests show that this works.  One sees a new expiration date onuF > the directory which is a couple of hundredths of a second before the, > expiration date of the newly created file.  C I still don't understand why, as suggested by another poster, that AG using the modification date of the directory file wouldn't be better.  v> The expiration date of the directory will be changed when the 0 directory is read as well as when it is written.     -- I  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com_A G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free!P6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)4                                  (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/1   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:09:49 +0100 (MET)L9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>I( Subject: locked out by CDE screen saver!; Message-ID: <01KUK8GWRZ7CA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  H This morning, I tried to unlock the CDE screensaver on my workstation byF typing in the password.  It didn't work.  It beeped, like happens whenG the password is wrong.  I could log in on the console (VT 520) with no )C problem.  I changed the password.  Screen saver was still locked.  t Changed it back.  Still locked.1  D In the end, I restarted DECwindows from the console.  After that, I  could log in again.P  H Does anyone have any idea what could have caused this?  I've never seen 
 it before.  = There was no heavy load on the machine or anything like that.a  H This reminded me of one of the many reasons why I prefer a real VT with " a real serial line as the console.  ; Digital Personal WorkStation (EV56 (21164A)), OpenVMS V7.3.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:27:42 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: locked out by CDE screen saver!0 Message-ID: <00A1E2BB.2468A902@SendSpamHere.ORG>  w In article <01KUK8GWRZ7CA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: I >This morning, I tried to unlock the CDE screensaver on my workstation byoG >typing in the password.  It didn't work.  It beeped, like happens when H >the password is wrong.  I could log in on the console (VT 520) with no D >problem.  I changed the password.  Screen saver was still locked.    >Changed it back.  Still locked. > E >In the end, I restarted DECwindows from the console.  After that, I a >could log in again. >oI >Does anyone have any idea what could have caused this?  I've never seen t >it before.i  F Can't says what's caused it but I've experienced this same strangeness several times.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" -   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:30:51 +0000 (UTC)e, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis), Subject: Re: locked out by CDE screen saver!- Message-ID: <b742nb$ek$1@newslocal.mitre.org>.   Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes in article <01KUK8GWRZ7CA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> dated Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:09:49 +0100 (MET):I >This morning, I tried to unlock the CDE screensaver on my workstation byrG >typing in the password.  It didn't work.  It beeped, like happens whendH >the password is wrong.  I could log in on the console (VT 520) with no D >problem.  I changed the password.  Screen saver was still locked.    >Changed it back.  Still locked. >-E >In the end, I restarted DECwindows from the console.  After that, I n >could log in again. >rI >Does anyone have any idea what could have caused this?  I've never seen e >it before.s  L Pure guess:  Keyboard error of some kind.  Next time try unplugging/plugging! the keyboard from the PS2 port.  d  L Much scarier is the possibility that you were hacked, and that wasn't a realL screensaver you were typing your password into but a remote (or even local?)= trojan horse X app which was saving your password attempts.  b  I The out-of-the-box Decwindows configuration does not allow remote X apps;kE you know better than anybody whether you've loosened security on your  system..  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgT> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:36:48 +0100 (MET)I9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>1, Subject: Re: locked out by CDE screen saver!; Message-ID: <01KUKJY0S39GA9QRGF@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>I  : > Pure guess:  Keyboard error of some kind.  Next time try6 > unplugging/plugging the keyboard from the PS2 port.   D I'll give that a try.  However, the keyboard worked fine before and  after.  I > Much scarier is the possibility that you were hacked, and that wasn't auF > real screensaver you were typing your password into but a remote (orJ > even local?) trojan horse X app which was saving your password attempts.  F Highly unlikely since the workstation only has access to stuff on the H internal network which is of course isolated from the rest of the world.I Since VAXman seems to have the problem quite often, I guess it must be a   bug in CDE somewhere.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:15:40 +0100l" From: "Rolona" <nospam@nospam.com>, Subject: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar> Message-ID: <Wncla.5857$Bj3.1320@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>  C Can anyone help me purchase these 8 systems? Where to find the etc.   = Reply to (Remove the blanks) j o h n.oxley@john o x l e y.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:20:05 -0400T* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar, Message-ID: <3E954555.5836.10178E@localhost>  & On 10 Apr 2003 at 12:15, Rolona wrote:E > Can anyone help me purchase these 8 systems? Where to find the etc.T  D VAX 4000 systems can be completely replaced using CHARON-VAX.  That > would allow you to run on Alpha or Intel hardware without any  software rewrite.  Check out:o  (     http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html      
 --Stan Quayle- Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671d1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:26:06 +0100n From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>,0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar) Message-ID: <3E958D0F.D6FB793F@Omond.net>h   "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:  ( > On 10 Apr 2003 at 12:15, Rolona wrote:G > > Can anyone help me purchase these 8 systems? Where to find the etc.  >iE > VAX 4000 systems can be completely replaced using CHARON-VAX.  That ? > would allow you to run on Alpha or Intel hardware without anyt > software rewrite.c  A Yes, but at what price ?  How's about actually making public whatA  Charon-VAX would actually cost ?  	 Roy Omondn Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:30:00 +0100 (MET)l9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>b0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar; Message-ID: <01KUKJRCK7F2A9QRGF@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o  I > > > Can anyone help me purchase these 8 systems? Where to find the etc.i > > G > > VAX 4000 systems can be completely replaced using CHARON-VAX.  That A > > would allow you to run on Alpha or Intel hardware without any  > > software rewrite.h > C > Yes, but at what price ?  How's about actually making public what-" > Charon-VAX would actually cost ?  H Indeed.  It's not unreasonable to expect to pick up 8 VAX 4000 machines G FOR FREE.  OK, factor in the power costs, but still, if you need 8 VAX  F 4000 machines, I doubt that their (relatively modest, actually) power  consumption is a problem.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:42:13 -0400a/ From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@mansply.com>i0 Subject: RE: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar? Message-ID: <MDEGJFAOHGLNLHONIEBMOEEJCGAA.hvanderw@mansply.com>t  I Well I have one for sale - contact me off list and lets see if it is what  you want / neede   Hank Vander Waal   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:03:19 -0400:* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar, Message-ID: <3E956B97.13193.BCD42@localhost>  A > It's not unreasonable to expect to pick up 8 VAX 4000 machines  I > FOR FREE.  OK, factor in the power costs, but still, if you need 8 VAX sH > 4000 machines, I doubt that their (relatively modest, actually) power  > consumption is a problem.   > But age, reliability, and hardware support costs are a factor.  E > > Yes, but at what price ?  How's about actually making public what4$ > > Charon-VAX would actually cost ?  C The initial price is not a big factor for most customers.  Heck, I sA just did a quote for one customer which results in break-even at  : EIGHT MONTHS.  And annual support savings of over $20,000!  E If you're really in the market for replacing your VAX, please let me mC know.  If you just want me to give CHARON-VAX away for free, dream i on...i  
 --Stan Quaylew Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comu   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 04:14:29 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)s* Subject: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300< Message-ID: <a98cd882.0304100314.2f614fa@posting.google.com>  D VMS731_LAN-V0400 is now available and it does execute the WRITEBOOT.  E In the release notes is an explicit note about the potential problemsm, caused by the previous versions of this ECO.  E Thanks to OpenVMS engineering for correcting this problem in a timelyo manner!t  	 Bart Zornh  V John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1030409231722.2424B@Ives.egh.com>...2 > On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >  > > 	 > > John,  > > 5 > > I did this ECO last friday, and we rebooted fine.:5 > > Is this problem restricted to some configuration?c > > = > > > It replaces APB.EXE and doesn't seem to do a WRITEBOOT.e > > / > > Can you be more specific than doesn't seem?. > > 	 > > -NormB > ; > 1) System crashed on reboot.  (Old version of APB.EXE hadd: > been purged)  After doing a WRITEBOOT, it rebooted okay. > 6 > 2) A second system, which had previously had the ECO: > applied (several days earlier) seemed fine, but the boot; > pointer LBN in block 0 of the disk pointed to unallocateds: > space (according to DFU.)  I think it was pointing to an8 > old copy of APB.EXE that had not yet been overwritten. > 8 > After running WRITEBOOT on the second system, the only; > thing that changed in the boot block was the LBN, (offsett8 > 1E8 of block 0, IIRC), which now pointed to the second4 > block of sys$system:apb.exe (according to both DFU > and DUMP/HEADER.). > = > The second system still boots okay after running WRITEBOOT.  > : > I haven't repeated the test under controlled conditions,9 > but I have 2 more systems to upgrade from V7.3, so nextr9 > time I do one, I'll check the boot pointers both beforee6 > and after installing the ECO.  This might not be for > several weeks, though.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:24:26 +0100e2 From: "Peter Howe" <peter dot howe at tfn dot com> Subject: Rebootl$ Message-ID: <3e954634$1@primark.com>  G Newbie question... how do I safely shutdown and restart an OpenVMS box?aL In the absense of our expect, our procedure documents here have all the infoG necessary for ensuring the system is tidy before a shutdown but not fort" doing the shutdown/restart itself.   Many thanks, Pete   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:53:53 +0100 (MET)a9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>. Subject: Re: Reboot ; Message-ID: <01KUKA0SU0Z4A9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r  I > Newbie question... how do I safely shutdown and restart an OpenVMS box?o   $ @ SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COMj  E Just execute the above command and follow the instructions.  For the oG option list, I recommend REBOOT_CHECK,SAVE_FEEDBACK and, if the system v" is part of a cluster, REMOVE_NODE.  E In addition, I recommend doing this from the system console.  I also oG strongly recommend that you use a real terminal connected via a serial r line as the console.    D Of course, in order to execute the shutdown you have to have enough  privileges.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:11:01 +0200e. From: labadie <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Rebooto) Message-ID: <3E955F55.A704BDCF@127.0.0.1>d   Phillip Helbig wrote:n  K > > Newbie question... how do I safely shutdown and restart an OpenVMS box?c >i > $ @ SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COMa > F > Just execute the above command and follow the instructions.  For theH > option list, I recommend REBOOT_CHECK,SAVE_FEEDBACK and, if the system$ > is part of a cluster, REMOVE_NODE.   Philip you are joking !!  0 One should use remove_node only, as the doc saysM "Use this option if the node you are shutting down will be out of the clusteri a considerable period of time."n  M Not if you are just doing a shutdown for some hardware issue, and boot back 2e hours later.   Regardso   Grard   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 07:30:26 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Reboots3 Message-ID: <uDxM$8QTziD0@eisner.encompasserve.org>v  Z In article <3E955F55.A704BDCF@127.0.0.1>, labadie <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> writes: >  >  > Phillip Helbig wrote:e > L >> > Newbie question... how do I safely shutdown and restart an OpenVMS box? >> >> $ @ SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM >>G >> Just execute the above command and follow the instructions.  For theeI >> option list, I recommend REBOOT_CHECK,SAVE_FEEDBACK and, if the system.% >> is part of a cluster, REMOVE_NODE.e >  > Philip you are joking !! > 2 > One should use remove_node only, as the doc saysO > "Use this option if the node you are shutting down will be out of the cluster ! > a considerable period of time."o > O > Not if you are just doing a shutdown for some hardware issue, and boot back 2t > hours later.  I The relevant question is what misbehavior you expect by using REMOVE_NODEu; and what behavior Phillip is trying to achieve by using it.i  I If you use REMOVE_NODE, the remaining cluster nodes adjust EXPECTED_VOTES E downward to reflect the removal of the machine.  This makes it easieriG to retain quorom in the face of subsequent loss of other voting clusterg7 members.  This is a good thing.  Your cluster stays up.r  D But you would complain that this is also a bad thing.  When the nodeF in question reboots, there is the possibility of forming a partitionedB cluster.  This would be a bad thing.  You risk unscheduled CLUEXIT crashes or data corruption.e  C If you have the SYSGEN parameter EXPECTED_VOTES set properly on theeC rebooting machine, the risk of a partitioned cluster is eliminated. @ In any case, you can't get a partitioned cluster if your clusterC interconnect is working properly (and we assume that it was workingaA when you shut down).  And even if you have a partitioned cluster, @ the risk of data corruption is very likely to strike only if you> have dual-pathed storage (or shadow sets split across multiple cluster members).P  > In my experience and with the configurations that I have used,@ the risks associated with REMOVE_NODE have been negligible.  I'm# with Phillip.  Go ahead and use it.t  G On the other hand, I've never had to recover from a partitioned cluster A event.  I understand that it's not a pretty picture and that goods* system backups are the best recovery tool.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:33:58 +0100 (MET)a9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>d Subject: Re: Rebootk; Message-ID: <01KUKFN694PAA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o  H > > Just execute the above command and follow the instructions.  For theJ > > option list, I recommend REBOOT_CHECK,SAVE_FEEDBACK and, if the system& > > is part of a cluster, REMOVE_NODE. >  > Philip you are joking !! > J > One should use remove_node only, as the doc says "Use this option if theF > node you are shutting down will be out of the cluster a considerable > period of time." - > H > Not if you are just doing a shutdown for some hardware issue, and boot > back 2 hours later.   G He said he was a newbie.  This option won't appear unless the system issD part of a cluster.  If he's a newbie with a cluster, he might have aI two-node cluster where each member has 1 vote.  In such a situation, the  ) cluster will hang until the node reboots.r  G Frankly, I don't see a real problem in including this.  It tells other nF systems to adjust quorum.  Of course, if you WANT the cluster to hang G when quorum is lost (for example, if you have a 4-node cluster, quorum rF is three, take out one for maintenance and WANT it to hang if another H node fails during this time) then you should of course not specify this  option.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:06:53 +0000 (UTC)m+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)f Subject: Re: RebootG+ Message-ID: <b73q9d$ep5$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>o  Z In article <3E955F55.A704BDCF@127.0.0.1>, labadie <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> writes: >s >e >Phillip Helbig wrote: >0L >> > Newbie question... how do I safely shutdown and restart an OpenVMS box? >> >> $ @ SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM >>G >> Just execute the above command and follow the instructions.  For thebI >> option list, I recommend REBOOT_CHECK,SAVE_FEEDBACK and, if the systeme% >> is part of a cluster, REMOVE_NODE.s >a >Philip you are joking !!t > 1 >One should use remove_node only, as the doc says N >"Use this option if the node you are shutting down will be out of the cluster  >a considerable period of time."  N Where does it say that. I've always used REMOVE_NODE when rebooting one of the9 nodes of a cluster even if it is coming straight back up.c    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >dN >Not if you are just doing a shutdown for some hardware issue, and boot back 2
 >hours later.  >e >Regards >h >Grarda >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:21:55 +0100y9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>b Subject: Re: Reboots? Message-ID: <2b25f9e04b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   2 In message <uDxM$8QTziD0@eisner.encompasserve.org>)           briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:t  \ > In article <3E955F55.A704BDCF@127.0.0.1>, labadie <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> writes: > >  > >  > > Phillip Helbig wrote:s > > N > >> > Newbie question... how do I safely shutdown and restart an OpenVMS box? > >>  > >> $ @ SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM > >>I > >> Just execute the above command and follow the instructions.  For thehK > >> option list, I recommend REBOOT_CHECK,SAVE_FEEDBACK and, if the systemr' > >> is part of a cluster, REMOVE_NODE.  > >  > > Philip you are joking !! > > 4 > > One should use remove_node only, as the doc saysQ > > "Use this option if the node you are shutting down will be out of the cluster # > > a considerable period of time."k > > Q > > Not if you are just doing a shutdown for some hardware issue, and boot back 2  > > hours later. > K > The relevant question is what misbehavior you expect by using REMOVE_NODEd= > and what behavior Phillip is trying to achieve by using it.b > K > If you use REMOVE_NODE, the remaining cluster nodes adjust EXPECTED_VOTESaG > downward to reflect the removal of the machine.  This makes it easiergI > to retain quorom in the face of subsequent loss of other voting cluster 9 > members.  This is a good thing.  Your cluster stays up.h > F > But you would complain that this is also a bad thing.  When the nodeH > in question reboots, there is the possibility of forming a partitionedD > cluster.  This would be a bad thing.  You risk unscheduled CLUEXIT > crashes or data corruption.  > E > If you have the SYSGEN parameter EXPECTED_VOTES set properly on the E > rebooting machine, the risk of a partitioned cluster is eliminated.nB > In any case, you can't get a partitioned cluster if your clusterE > interconnect is working properly (and we assume that it was working C > when you shut down).  And even if you have a partitioned cluster, B > the risk of data corruption is very likely to strike only if you@ > have dual-pathed storage (or shadow sets split across multiple > cluster members).  > @ > In my experience and with the configurations that I have used,B > the risks associated with REMOVE_NODE have been negligible.  I'm% > with Phillip.  Go ahead and use it.e > I > On the other hand, I've never had to recover from a partitioned cluster C > event.  I understand that it's not a pretty picture and that goode, > system backups are the best recovery tool. >  > 	John Briggs  J My experience of REMOVE_NODE is that it mainly affects cross-mounted (MSCP9 served) disks. The key thing is the mount verify timeout.d  K If you are shutting down for less than that time, default one hour, I would0J not use REMOVE_NODE. Over that time I would use REMOVE_NODE. The reason is this:   H REMOVE_NODE causes other nodes to dismount disks served by the departingL node. This fails on system disks because the local node cannot dismount themI and they go into mount-verify. If you restore the missing node within thee7 timeout the mount verify is cancelled, and all is well.d  L If you don't reboot, the disks go into mount/dismount state. MOUNT DISK saysI disk is already mounted. DISMOUNT DISK says disk is not mounted. The onlye> cure I know of is to reboot the node(s) on which this happens.  K The preventative measure is to issue DISMOUNT/ABORT commands on each of thedJ remaining nodes after the departing system has shut down, and before mount verify timeout occurs.  J It is of course possible that more recent versions of VMS have fixed this.< However I never wanted to repeat the experiment to find out.   Alan   -- R
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:03:39 +0000 (UTC)a, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Re: RebootS- Message-ID: <b744kr$vq$1@newslocal.mitre.org>f   Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes in article <01KUKFN694PAA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> dated Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:33:58 +0100 (MET):H >Frankly, I don't see a real problem in including this.  It tells other  >systems to adjust quorum.    H The problem is the behavior of MSCP clients which remain up.  If you useI REMOVE_NODE, all disks which reside on the rebooting node and are mounted F via MSCP on other nodes will immediately go to MountVerifyTimeout, andK you'll have to do some work to get them up and running again.  If you leaveeK the REMOVE_NODE off, the disks will remain mounted, and any processes whichnG attempt to access them will hang until the node rejoins the cluster andcL enables MSCP disk serving.  Of couse, if the node remains out of the clusterL for too long (30 minutes I think, possibly a system parameter), you'll get a0 genuine timeout and you'll be back to sqare one.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgi> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:10:17 +0100 (MET)i9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r Subject: Re: Rebootm; Message-ID: <01KUKL2ANPAOA9QRGF@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>h  J > The problem is the behavior of MSCP clients which remain up.  If you useC > REMOVE_NODE, all disks which reside on the rebooting node and arec8 > mounted via MSCP on other nodes will immediately go toH > MountVerifyTimeout, and you'll have to do some work to get them up andI > running again.  If you leave the REMOVE_NODE off, the disks will remain:I > mounted, and any processes which attempt to access them will hang untilrH > the node rejoins the cluster and enables MSCP disk serving.  Of couse,J > if the node remains out of the cluster for too long (30 minutes I think,J > possibly a system parameter), you'll get a genuine timeout and you'll be > back to sqare one. A  I I suppose the clean thing to do would be to have a dismount procedure in sH the site-specific shutdown procedure.  If the node hosts the disk, do a G DISMOUNT/CLUSTER.  With the system disk, one would have to dismount it uH on the other nodes which have it mounted, though in many case one would 5 not MSCP serve the system disk to other nodes anyway.g  G One probably needs more refinement for shadow sets which are partially  " mounted on the node to be removed.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:14:28 +0100 (MET)a9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP4; Message-ID: <01KUK6LJH26QAH3N2T@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-  G > > Are the usernames just random, or are they some standard names likeK > > "root" etc?d > F > Actually it's a group of a few names. One that I used as a temporaryJ > name in responding to *possible* spammers. The other 3 or 4 I don't ever# > remember using, but ...who knows.  > J > > If most of the stuff consists of a few "standard" usernames (if not, II > > can't see the purpose of sending mail, even from a spammer's point ofu= > > view), you could (from a suitably priviledged account) dol > > 2 > >    MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=<username> SPAM_TRAP > > J > > You could then set up an account SPAM_TRAP and periodically delete the1 > > messages or look for the 1% which isn't spam.  > > J > I didn't know you could act on mail directed to a non-existant VMS user.J > It's too bad username cannot = *(meaning any non-VMS username). But thisI > suggestion may help my situation in terms of resource useage. I'll give  > it a try. Thanks.'  H It's not documented in HELP.  I'm not sure if it is documented anywhere.H This feature was used as an example in a course on VMS TCPIP I took at a@ DECUS Symposium (though I had heard about it before, probably inH comp.os.vms).  The teacher was a long-time DEC/Compaq/HP employee and I 7 had the impression that this was an "official" feature.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 13:14:24 +0200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)-+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP6+ Message-ID: <TM2be+LQom8I@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>H  w In article <01KUK6LJH26QAH3N2T@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:-H >> > Are the usernames just random, or are they some standard names like >> > "root" etc? >>  G >> Actually it's a group of a few names. One that I used as a temporarydK >> name in responding to *possible* spammers. The other 3 or 4 I don't evera$ >> remember using, but ...who knows. >> oK >> > If most of the stuff consists of a few "standard" usernames (if not, I-J >> > can't see the purpose of sending mail, even from a spammer's point of> >> > view), you could (from a suitably priviledged account) do >> > .3 >> >    MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=<username> SPAM_TRAPh >> > eK >> > You could then set up an account SPAM_TRAP and periodically delete the.2 >> > messages or look for the 1% which isn't spam. >> > dK >> I didn't know you could act on mail directed to a non-existant VMS user. K >> It's too bad username cannot = *(meaning any non-VMS username). But thissJ >> suggestion may help my situation in terms of resource useage. I'll give@                                                 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> it a try. Thanks. > J > It's not documented in HELP.  I'm not sure if it is documented anywhere.J > This feature was used as an example in a course on VMS TCPIP I took at aB > DECUS Symposium (though I had heard about it before, probably inJ > comp.os.vms).  The teacher was a long-time DEC/Compaq/HP employee and I 9 > had the impression that this was an "official" feature.e  7 Of course MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER is documented in help.dJ But isn't handling such mail by a forwarded user contraproductive in terms of resource usage ?lI The normal behaviour of SMTP receiver for undeliverable mail is to return-I it to sender with an error code of "user unknown", i.e. is not stored at e all on the system,G while using set forward to a SPAM_TRAP stores (and processes) the mail.h   -- +N Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:24:57 +0200>$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPt+ Message-ID: <00A1E2F5.6D303859.24@decus.de>   * "Joseph Huber" <huber@mppmu.mpg.de> wrote:   > [...]s > 9 > Of course MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER is documented in help.rL > But isn't handling such mail by a forwarded user contraproductive in terms > of resource usage ?iK > The normal behaviour of SMTP receiver for undeliverable mail is to returniK > it to sender with an error code of "user unknown", i.e. is not stored at - > all on the system,I > while using set forward to a SPAM_TRAP stores (and processes) the mail.j  ? What about setting the MAIL directory of the user's account to BF NLA0:[TRASH] to avoid storing the message? (No, I haven't tried that!)   Michaele   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:18:02 +0100 (MET)t9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP ; Message-ID: <01KUKF46LSPUA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s  9 > Of course MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER is documented in help.e  F Right.  It is not documented that a) the USER doesn't have to have an H account on the machine and b) USER doesn't have to conform to the rules  for a valid VMS username.   F > But isn't handling such mail by a forwarded user contraproductive in > terms of resource usage ?   C The original poster was trying to deal with mail which had already e/ reached his machine, but couldn't be delivered.R  D > The normal behaviour of SMTP receiver for undeliverable mail is toG > return it to sender with an error code of "user unknown", i.e. is not E > stored at all on the system, while using set forward to a SPAM_TRAPg# > stores (and processes) the mail. '  I Right, but if the return address is invalid, as with much spam, then the kD message won't be delivered, but SMTP will keep trying for a while.  I Delivering it to SPAM_TRAP probably consumes less resources than keeping TG these "user unknown" messages in the queue until SMTP finally gives up.R   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:35:22 +0100 (MET)-9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>l+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP ; Message-ID: <01KUKFQZN0USA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a  A > What about setting the MAIL directory of the user's account to sH > NLA0:[TRASH] to avoid storing the message? (No, I haven't tried that!)  H Well, first one would have to set up the users, which don't exist on his@ system.  However, the mail directory has to be a subdirectory ofH SYS$LOGIN.  I admit I've never tried to set up an account with NLA0: as  the default device though!   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Apr 2003 10:27 CDTu' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)(+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPm- Message-ID: <10APR200310271982@gerg.tamu.edu>b  = Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes...i: }> Of course MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER is documented in help. } G }Right.  It is not documented that a) the USER doesn't have to have an HI }account on the machine and b) USER doesn't have to conform to the rules h }for a valid VMS username. } G }> But isn't handling such mail by a forwarded user contraproductive ind }> terms of resource usage ?   } D }The original poster was trying to deal with mail which had already 0 }reached his machine, but couldn't be delivered. } E }> The normal behaviour of SMTP receiver for undeliverable mail is tosH }> return it to sender with an error code of "user unknown", i.e. is notF }> stored at all on the system, while using set forward to a SPAM_TRAP$ }> stores (and processes) the mail.  } J }Right, but if the return address is invalid, as with much spam, then the E }message won't be delivered, but SMTP will keep trying for a while.  oJ }Delivering it to SPAM_TRAP probably consumes less resources than keeping H }these "user unknown" messages in the queue until SMTP finally gives up.  G No, normally they don't stay in the queue. They never get to the queue.hG In fact, they never completely arrive on the system in the first place.rI When the message comes in the SMTP port and there is not valid recipient,tI the SMTP server is supposed to reject the mail and never even receive the M entire message - the attempt to send the DATA command when no valid recipientoA has been specified should never even be attempted. From RFC 2821:o  E    -  If there was no MAIL, or no RCPT, command, or all such commands F       were rejected, the server MAY return a "command out of sequence"H       (503) or "no valid recipients" (554) reply in response to the DATAC       command.  If one of those replies (or any other 5yz reply) isa?       received, the client MUST NOT send the message data; moretD       generally, message data MUST NOT be sent unless a 354 reply is       received.    --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 10:47:15 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP 3 Message-ID: <AcprizUKiEKT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <01KUKFQZN0USA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:oB >> What about setting the MAIL directory of the user's account to I >> NLA0:[TRASH] to avoid storing the message? (No, I haven't tried that!)h > J > Well, first one would have to set up the users, which don't exist on hisB > system.  However, the mail directory has to be a subdirectory ofJ > SYS$LOGIN.  I admit I've never tried to set up an account with NLA0: as  > the default device though!  A You're going to have a heck of a time creating a MAIL.MAI file ins= a subdirectory on NLA0:  And, accordingly, the mail system is > going to have terrible difficulties performing local delivery.  ; So if your mail system has already accepted the message fori; delivery then it will have to generate a bounce message anda+ you have the same problem you started with.   / As I see it there are basically three ways out:   < 1.  Don't accept messages for nonexistent users in the first: place.  Reject them at the SMTP server level and leave the> client on the far side of the Internet with the responsibility1 for generating the delivering the bounce message.   7 2.  Accept messages for nonexistent users but drop themo into a bit bucket.  3 3.  Don't try very hard to deliver bounce messages.   E Creating a user with a default directory on NLA0: appears unlikely to   work as an effective bit bucket.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:40:46 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>-+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP0+ Message-ID: <3E959E6F.1AF7A8BE@pacbell.net>i   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:R > y > In article <01KUKFQZN0USA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:oC > >> What about setting the MAIL directory of the user's account toeK > >> NLA0:[TRASH] to avoid storing the message? (No, I haven't tried that!)  > >kL > > Well, first one would have to set up the users, which don't exist on hisD > > system.  However, the mail directory has to be a subdirectory ofK > > SYS$LOGIN.  I admit I've never tried to set up an account with NLA0: as. > > the default device though! > C > You're going to have a heck of a time creating a MAIL.MAI file ind? > a subdirectory on NLA0:  And, accordingly, the mail system is @ > going to have terrible difficulties performing local delivery. > = > So if your mail system has already accepted the message for = > delivery then it will have to generate a bounce message ando- > you have the same problem you started with.y > 1 > As I see it there are basically three ways out:  > > > 1.  Don't accept messages for nonexistent users in the first< > place.  Reject them at the SMTP server level and leave the@ > client on the far side of the Internet with the responsibility3 > for generating the delivering the bounce message.o  1 As per the original question, how do you do that?    > 9 > 2.  Accept messages for nonexistent users but drop themh > into a bit bucket. > 5 > 3.  Don't try very hard to deliver bounce messages.    Again, how do you do that?   > G > Creating a user with a default directory on NLA0: appears unlikely tou" > work as an effective bit bucket. >  >         John Briggsd   -- -   Have VMS, Will Travele Wire paladin, San Franciscoi   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:38:54 GMTH' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>n+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPt+ Message-ID: <3E959DFF.12CD1E1D@pacbell.net>    Carl Perkins wrote:r > ? > Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes...o< > }> Of course MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER is documented in help. > }lH > }Right.  It is not documented that a) the USER doesn't have to have anJ > }account on the machine and b) USER doesn't have to conform to the rules > }for a valid VMS username. > } I > }> But isn't handling such mail by a forwarded user contraproductive in- > }> terms of resource usage ? > } E > }The original poster was trying to deal with mail which had alreadyX2 > }reached his machine, but couldn't be delivered. > }iG > }> The normal behaviour of SMTP receiver for undeliverable mail is toeJ > }> return it to sender with an error code of "user unknown", i.e. is notH > }> stored at all on the system, while using set forward to a SPAM_TRAP% > }> stores (and processes) the mail.  > }@K > }Right, but if the return address is invalid, as with much spam, then the9E > }message won't be delivered, but SMTP will keep trying for a while. K > }Delivering it to SPAM_TRAP probably consumes less resources than keeping J > }these "user unknown" messages in the queue until SMTP finally gives up. > I > No, normally they don't stay in the queue. They never get to the queue.oI > In fact, they never completely arrive on the system in the first place.y  A Well then why do I continually get such messages in my queue? The4F usernames are not defined as VMS users, or as VMS mail-specific users.G Are you saying this is a bug in TCPIP Services? It seems like somethingo, this major would have been addressed by now.  K > When the message comes in the SMTP port and there is not valid recipient,:K > the SMTP server is supposed to reject the mail and never even receive thetO > entire message - the attempt to send the DATA command when no valid recipient C > has been specified should never even be attempted. From RFC 2821:  > G >    -  If there was no MAIL, or no RCPT, command, or all such commands H >       were rejected, the server MAY return a "command out of sequence"J >       (503) or "no valid recipients" (554) reply in response to the DATAE >       command.  If one of those replies (or any other 5yz reply) is A >       received, the client MUST NOT send the message data; more F >       generally, message data MUST NOT be sent unless a 354 reply is >       received.  > 
 > --- Carl   -- s   Have VMS, Will TravelK Wire paladin, San Francisco-   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:00:30 +0100 (MET)09 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: roadmapso; Message-ID: <01KUK661249UAH3N2T@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>w  % > > So VAX will jump from 7.3 to 8.2?o > >bG > > What is the best bet for the "landing zone" for VAX and ALPHA, i.e.nK > > which version, like 5.5-2 VAX or 6.2 is expected to be reasonably good,RK > > reasonably stable and supported for a relatively long time?  Would thati5 > > be 7.3-1 ALPHA?  7.3-2 ALPHA?  7.3 VAX?  7.2 VAX?o > > L > > Presumably, a lot of folks will want to upgrade to this version and thenJ > > stay there until the first Itanium landing-zone version arrives.  (OneJ > > wants to be sure when moving to Itanium which problems result from theI > > hardware change and which from the software change, thus probably alltL > > but some test customers and those really needing a specific feature will8 > > skip the early Itanium releases as far as possible.) > E > For VAX/VMS the "standard" releases tend to be 5.5-2H4 and 7.2. The:H > functional differences between 7.2 and 7.3 are too minor to justify anL > upgrade. The price you pay for prior version support *is* a driving force,  ) True, but not for a hobbyist system.  :-)   H > especially if you're paying for 24x7 contracts and 2hr response times.> > VAX/VMS 7.3 will be supported for the next 30 months, right? > N > I'm too long away from Alpha/VMS to have a useful opnion about it, but 7.3-1N > seems a good choice. It has several performance advantages over both 7.2 and > 7.3.  C Could you elabourate on this?  What about 7.3-1?  IIRC, I remember sB several people saying that it was a significant performance boost.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:02:10 +0100 (MET)i9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: roadmaps ; Message-ID: <01KUK68XJLA8A9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>l  J > > I'm too long away from Alpha/VMS to have a useful opnion about it, butI > > 7.3-1 seems a good choice. It has several performance advantages overH > > both 7.2 and 7.3.  > E > Could you elabourate on this?  What about 7.3-1?  IIRC, I remember -D > several people saying that it was a significant performance boost.  5 No elabouration needed; I misread 7.2-1 in your post!    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:22:09 GMTN" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG1 Subject: Re: SAMBA on VMS... how to make it work.n0 Message-ID: <00A1E2BA.5E0A9715@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <3E94D8DB.391E8493@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:r" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> hN >> Is there anybody out there running SAMBA on VMS that can help me figure out >> this maddening PC crap? >> n
 >> Thanks. >> --oR >> VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >> e7 >>   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"c > G >I'm going to archive this thread and use it to compile a Samba for VMS  >How-To. >e- >Brian, care to share your off-line messages?N   Sure.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn            ,5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 08:19:10 -00006 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>  Subject: Re: unix screen command6 Message-ID: <20030410081910.14333.qmail@gacracker.org>  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.e8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  < On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, "Jaroslaw Sosinski" <sosin@o2.pl> wrote: >hello >thx very much for helpt >oI >i've downloaded that file. Would you be so kind and tell me how should ir" >install it on my shell account ??  J There should be a .COM file to build it, or at the very least a readme. IfJ there's a .COM, just run that and it should compile and link an executable0 for you. Provided you have a C compiler that is.     Doc. -- e: Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Apr 2003 12:10:13 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: VAX 4000/100 or is it?V5 Message-ID: <b73mv5$aqint$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>o  < Why does my VAX 4000/100 have a label on the back that says: MicroVAX 3100 M92s   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   0   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:01:10 GMTw3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) # Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?e0 Message-ID: <qWdla.595$4u4.116@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 In article <b73mv5$aqint$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  = >Why does my VAX 4000/100 have a label on the back that says:m >MicroVAX 3100 M92  7 Ah, er, a...  Not to put too fine a point on it, but...   H Why do you think a machine labled "MicroVAX 3100 M92" is a VAX 4000/100?  E Is it possible that someone cobbled together bits and pieces from two-: or more different machines?  (I've been known to do that!)  8 What does $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("HW_NAME") display?   -- oJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Apr 2003 13:45:49 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?N5 Message-ID: <b73sid$ass9b$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>v  0 In article <qWdla.595$4u4.116@news.cpqcorp.net>,6 	hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:8 > In article <b73mv5$aqint$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, , > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > >>Why does my VAX 4000/100 have a label on the back that says: >>MicroVAX 3100 M92e > 9 > Ah, er, a...  Not to put too fine a point on it, but...u > J > Why do you think a machine labled "MicroVAX 3100 M92" is a VAX 4000/100?  D Because it has a great big plate onthe front that says VAX 4000-100.! Because it has DSSI disk support.eB Because it won't run Ultrix-32 and fails with the same error I get from all my other 4000's. 3 Because when we bought it we bought a VAX 4000-100.t   > G > Is it possible that someone cobbled together bits and pieces from twoe< > or more different machines?  (I've been known to do that!)  C Not a chance.  It was a production machine and the data center here C won't run unoffical software.  there is no way they cobble anythingiC together.  Witht heir budget they just buy what they need.  I'm thes  one who cobbles things together.   > : > What does $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("HW_NAME") display? >   G I'll have to try that, but it's not running at the moment (which is whyxA I happened to see the back of it to see the MicroVAX 3100 label.)a   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:42:18 GMTaF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)# Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?i/ Message-ID: <_wela.600$6x4.72@news.cpqcorp.net>i  " I've seen that on a VAX 4000-100A.  ; It's possible that the one I saw was an early production orE9 pre-production model that used an existing case.  I wouldr> be a little surprised if one of these got out into the 'wild',; but it's also possible that the units were produced with asr; little overhead as possible, using existing cases.  I wouldn< have expected a revised label to be pasted over the old one,3 but someone may have missed that (or taken it off).    -- a(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have as5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:19:41 -0400t/ From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@mansply.com>e# Subject: RE: VAX 4000/100 or is it?-? Message-ID: <MDEGJFAOHGLNLHONIEBMEEEGCGAA.hvanderw@mansply.com>   G I have a box like that here that I got from one of my former customers.:H They lost the motherboard on their 3100-80 and the company that they hadH support with did not have a 3100-80 board so they dropped in a 4000-100aI board without telling anyone.   Sure made me wonder what was going on thetL first time I logged in.   Guess at the time I did not realize they were that similar.  C Going to put it up on EBay soon calling it the 4000 in a 3100 box !o   Hank Vander Waal   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:19:28 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com># Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?2, Message-ID: <3E957D70.8010206@tsoft-inc.com>   Charlie Hammond wrote:  8 > In article <b73mv5$aqint$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, , > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >  > > >>Why does my VAX 4000/100 have a label on the back that says: >>MicroVAX 3100 M92r >> > 9 > Ah, er, a...  Not to put too fine a point on it, but...  > J > Why do you think a machine labled "MicroVAX 3100 M92" is a VAX 4000/100? > G > Is it possible that someone cobbled together bits and pieces from twor< > or more different machines?  (I've been known to do that!) > : > What does $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("HW_NAME") display?    P Maybe for reasons that $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("HW_NAME") on a MV3100 system ( reports it as some type of VAX 4000-100?  N The systems are very similar, with the biggest difference the DSSI on the VAX  4000 system.     Dave     -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 08:39:43 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)* Subject: VAX hardware support alternatives= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0304100739.23d74aa0@posting.google.com>   @ One of our customers is running (very happily and reliably) on aF MicroVAX 3100-85 system.  We just got copies of their support contractD renewal, and HP is dropping hardware support for the system (not forA all peripherals, and not for software) as of 31 December 2003.  IuE haven't confirmed yet, but the contracts admin said she believed thatnC all 3100 systems with the possible exception of the model 88 and 98u) were being removed from hardware support.,  B We have a number of customers still on 3100 VAX systems.  AlthoughE they are very reliable, running without some kind of call-in hardware E support in the event of a failure is not an acceptable option, and at:@ this point, none of them are ready for (or really need) an AlphaD upgrade (unless it can really pay for itself quickly, which does not" appear to be the case at present).  C So I'm looking for recommendations for trustworthy hardware supportaB vendors that can continue covering the 3100 class VAXen.  Opinions9 accepted, informed opinions valued!  Thanks for any info.r  E And a sad raspberry to HP for dropping support.  You are not going to>1 be gaining any new sales or customers this way...r   Rich Jordanh CCS    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:47:08 +0100 (MET)i9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e. Subject: Re: VAX hardware support alternatives; Message-ID: <01KUKK8B0A8QA9QRGF@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a  B > One of our customers is running (very happily and reliably) on a > MicroVAX 3100-85 system.   > D > We have a number of customers still on 3100 VAX systems.  AlthoughG > they are very reliable, running without some kind of call-in hardwareeG > support in the event of a failure is not an acceptable option, and ateB > this point, none of them are ready for (or really need) an AlphaF > upgrade (unless it can really pay for itself quickly, which does not$ > appear to be the case at present). > 	 G > And a sad raspberry to HP for dropping support.  You are not going to.3 > be gaining any new sales or customers this way...   E True.  Presumably, the new sales or customers they would gain by not  E dropping support are lower than the costs of keeping support up.  In  E fact, some customers might even move to ALPHA when they don't really    have to just to get the support.  A If support IS profitable, perhaps someone will make you an offer.   F 3100s are cheap these days.  I picked up 5 for free to save them from E going into the skip.  As I was loading them into my car, I heard the nA previous Careful Owner say "those are still under warranty".  :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Apr 2003 11:47:39 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: vmsnet.* groups5 Message-ID: <b73lkr$amkmm$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>u  - In article <Gu3la.152134$Zo.29885@sccrnsc03>,n+ 	"Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> writes:eI > I've been having a "conversation" with the, er, fine people who've beeniL > posting DIVX movies in vmsnet.alpha. What's interesting is that they speakM > Spanish, and I don't. So I have to use www.freetranslation.com to translatee > their postings and mine. > J > Anyway, one of them seems to think that any NG is fair game for whateverG > porpose anyone wants to use it for. I need to find the charter of theiK > vmsnet.* groups to show him (them) the error of their ways. Any pointers?f >   C You would be wasting your time.  Re-read the first sentence of youre paragraph above.  F Making the INTERNET (and especially USENET) publicly available was theD worst decision NSF ever made.  The commercial jerks should have beenC required to build and maintain their own network while the originalm; NSFNet stayed the way it was.  What was that way?  Usable!!e   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:32:07 +0200n% From: Georgi Kozinakov <gk@mt.net.mk>e# Subject: wasd http server and cobol ( Message-ID: <3E959C87.3070909@mt.net.mk>  8 On my microvax (VMS 7.2.1) is installed WASD web server.0 There are two programmers working only in Cobol.9 I'd like to enable some of their programs to be installedl7 permanently and to read/get from a web client, find the.> needed data in a RMS indexed file somewhere in the directories; other than http root (ht_root) and finaly write/post to the  client the needed information.
 Any ideas?1 Also, how to set the security of the whole thing?<   Thanks,d George   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:38:57 -0500e From: brandon@dalsemi.com3' Subject: Re: wasd http server and cobol 1 Message-ID: <03041011385699@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e  : > On my microvax (VMS 7.2.1) is installed WASD web server.2 > There are two programmers working only in Cobol.; > I'd like to enable some of their programs to be installed 9 > permanently and to read/get from a web client, find theu@ > needed data in a RMS indexed file somewhere in the directories= > other than http root (ht_root) and finaly write/post to thes  > client the needed information. > Any ideas?3 > Also, how to set the security of the whole thing?n > 	 > Thanks,n > George  N I am thinking/talking from an Apache point of view (CSWS) - hope this helps...  P If PHP or JAVA is available for the WASD (which I believe it is) you may be ableB to acomplish this.  You could also use CGI scripts to do the same.  N With CSWS I can access files outside of the ht_root (using CGI DCL scripts) byO assign an ACL (rights ID) to the file that allows APACHE$WWW READ access to them) files needed.  Does WASD allow for this? o= You might want to try a CGI script to see if you can do this.G       John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkE 972.371.4003 fxs   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 10:43:55 -0700% From: mikael.jaras@om.com (MikeJaras)o5 Subject: X25 fails to connec alpha to alpha over llc2t= Message-ID: <31625539.0304100943.65deb874@posting.google.com>f  I set h /x29   works fine but when the sw connects I get the error message:s  @ Event: Incoming Call Failed from: Node LOCAL:.FEVDF3 X25 Access,-         at: 2003-04-10-19:29:36.034+02:00Iinfa         Sending DTE=40000,          Reason=No Filters In Use7         eventUid   C3802F86-6B8A-11D7-907B-544142495433a7         entityUid  223CAC3B-668E-11D7-83A2-AA0004007906a7         streamUid  2C295951-668E-11D7-8434-AA0004007906    ----* So, how do I start using a filter then?!?!   Alpha openvms V7.3  X25 V1.6 U       /mikeh  ( mc ncl sho node 0 x25 prot dte dte-0 all   Node 0 X25 Protocol DTE dte-0 $ at 2003-04-10-18:53:33.906+02:00Iinf   Identifierss  -     Name                              = dte-0n   Status  L     UID                               = 447DFFFE-6B82-11D7-B09F-544142495433/     State                             = Running-,     Available Outgoing Channels       = 4095'     DTE Classes                       =d        {           dte-0c        }'     Groups                            =         {        }I     Last State Change                 = 2003-04-10-18:29:54.410+02:00Iinfh+     Interface Mode                    = DTEd   Characteristics'  -     Inbound DTE Class                 = dte-0m1     Profile                           = "ISO8881".-     X25 Address                       = 10000g2     Interface Type                    = Negotiated,     Maximum Active Circuits           = 4096)     Maximum Clear Attempts            = 1i)     Maximum Reset Attempts            = 1w)     Maximum Restart Attempts          = 1c+     Call Timer                        = 200E+     Clear Timer                       = 180h+     Interrupt Timer                   = 180l+     Reset Timer                       = 180 +     Restart Timer                     = 180 A     Link Service Provider             = LLC2 SAP sap-0 Link dte-0b'     Outgoing List                     =S        {           [1..4095]i        }-     Extended Packet Sequencing        = Falsel-     Maximum Throughput Class          = 65535n*     Minimum Throughput Class          = 75+     Maximum Packet Size               = 128m+     Default Packet Size               = 128U+     Minimum Packet Size               = 128r)     Maximum Window Size               = 2w)     Default Window Size               = 2 )     Minimum Window Size               = 2c,     CCITT Version                     = 1984'     Incoming List                     =r        {           [1..4095]H        }*     Segment Size                      = 64O     Description                       = "DEC X.25 V1.0 for OpenVMS AXP Systems"s   Counters  I     Creation Time                     = 2003-04-10-18:28:46.975+02:00Iinf>*     Data Octets Received              = 63+     Data Octets Sent                  = 512 *     Data PDUs Received                = 25*     Data PDUs Sent                    = 29)     Incoming Calls Connected          = 1t)     Outgoing Calls Connected          = 0,)     Calls Failed                      = 6h)     Fast Selects Received             = 0m)     Fast Selects Sent                 = 0o)     Locally Initiated Resets          = 0 )     Network Initiated Resets          = 0p)     Locally Initiated Restarts        = 1L)     Network Initiated Restarts        = 1>)     Allocated PVC Failures            = 0 )     Protocol Errors                   = 0>)     Diagnostic Packets                = 0a)     Illegal Packets                   = 0o)     Reject Packets                    = 0 )     Retry Failures                    = 0n)     Up Transitions                    = 2e)     Down Transitions                  = 1o  * TABIT3_BIT> mc ncl sho x25 access filter *  ! Node 0 X25 Access Filter X25_MAIL!$ at 2003-04-10-18:55:27.940+02:00Iinf   Identifiers   0     Name                              = X25_MAIL     Node 0 X25 Access Filter X29$ at 2003-04-10-18:55:27.940+02:00Iinf   Identifiersy  +     Name                              = X29o    ( Node 0 X25 Access Filter "OSI Transport"$ at 2003-04-10-18:55:27.940+02:00Iinf   Identifiersr  7     Name                              = "OSI Transport"A   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.198 ************************user contraproductive in terms of resouӓGcw`xh@:JZMv
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