1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 11 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 199       Contents:3 Alpha emulator - 21172 vs. 21174 logic core chipset 7 Re: Alpha emulator - 21172 vs. 21174 logic core chipset A Re: Apache Tomcat/4.0.4 - HTTP Status 500 - Internal Server Error  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: Changing the CPU ID  CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit  Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit & Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX) DecServer 700 and UCX 4.2 with bootp/tftp - Re: DecServer 700 and UCX 4.2 with bootp/tftp - Re: DecServer 700 and UCX 4.2 with bootp/tftp   Re: Disappearing CR/LF in editor  ES-40 memory problems (Infineon)$ Re: ES-40 memory problems (Infineon)! Re: Help installing hobbyist kits  Re: in need for vms 5.5-2 + Is DCPS 2.2 for AXP available for download? ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field . Linux 7.2/VMS 7.3-1/NFS & crap on copy of file# Re: locked out by CDE screen saver!  Microsoft & Opteron ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar 1 OT: CSABA is not aborigine, he is hungarian ! :-O 5 Re: OT: CSABA is not aborigine, he is hungarian ! :-O 
 Re: Reboot
 Re: Reboot" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?- VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles Area 1 Re: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles Area 1 Re: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles Area 1 Re: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles Area 1 Re: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles Area ? Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around C Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around C Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around C Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around C Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around  Re: wasd http server and cobol Re: wasd http server and cobol Re: wasd http server and cobol Re: wasd http server and cobolO Why did Digital go broke? (Was: Re: VMS Source Listing CD - Table of contents?)  Re: Your opinion requested- [ANNOUNCE] OpenSSL 0.9.7b and 0.9.6j released   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:36:23 -0400 2 From: "Timothy Stark" <sword7nospam@speakeasy.org>< Subject: Alpha emulator - 21172 vs. 21174 logic core chipset2 Message-ID: <ufKcnSXzm8eLgQujXTWcqA@speakeasy.net>  : "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote in message/ news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-KIvQbsTlW7So@localhost... G > Best of luck with the project Tim. Just had an evil thought. An Alpha A > emulator running in a 64-bit Opteron running VMS faster than on / > Itanium, which is where the evil comes in :-)   H Hmmm.  But my Alpha emulator is running slowly.  :-)  I implemented manyK emulated instructions on it and ran SRM console successfully.  According to L my debug log file, SRM console moved itself to loc 40.0000 from anywhere andK decompressed itself (like compressed Linux kernel) then finally jumped into G loc C000... It took a few seconds to complete decompression.   I now am D working on logic core emulation for accessing I/O devices right now.  D Well I have more two questons for you here.  I read my AlphaPC 164LXH technical manual and noticed that core logic chipset is 21174 but I haveK 21171 and 21172 tech docs.  I was looking for 21174 docs but can't find it. L What are difference between 21174 and 21172 core logics?  I noticed that not1 much difference between their space address maps.   L About SRM console, I noticed that SRM console provides two console methods -K graphics or serial.  If SRM console finds no graphics device, then attempts K to use serial ports for console? Right?  Does it require graphics device to  display console information?  
 Thank you!	 Tim Stark    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:02:18 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)@ Subject: Re: Alpha emulator - 21172 vs. 21174 logic core chipsetL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1004032202190001@user-uinj59a.dialup.mindspring.com>  B In article <ufKcnSXzm8eLgQujXTWcqA@speakeasy.net>, "Timothy Stark"# <sword7nospam@speakeasy.org> wrote:   M >About SRM console, I noticed that SRM console provides two console methods - L >graphics or serial.  If SRM console finds no graphics device, then attemptsL >to use serial ports for console? Right?  Does it require graphics device to >display console information?   = This behaviour varies a lot, depending on the alpha platform.   I Some systems sense a switch position when they power up, and use graphics  or serial console accordingly.  A Some systems check the value of the CONSOLE environment variable.   J Some systems will switch to the "other" console port automatically if theyI find missing hardware.  For example, if the the keyboard is missing, they  switch to serial console.   F Most of the newer systems will automatically communicate on any of theJ console ports when you start typing there.  All the console commands work,I but shortly after the OS boot begins, the output switches to the port set E by the CONSOLE environment variable, and the other port(s) go silent.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:24:01 +0200 ) From: Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> J Subject: Re: Apache Tomcat/4.0.4 - HTTP Status 500 - Internal Server ErrorB Message-ID: <aus-075C93.20240110042003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  @ ...Thank you Rick for the prompt reply. We'll try that tomorrow. > A > Tomcat cannot locate the example classes when using Java 1.4.0.  > 6 > To work-around this problem, define the logical nameF > APACHE$JAKARTA_USER_CLASSPATH in your .tomcatrc file, specifying the' > locations of the JSP example classes:  > L > (the following assumes your Tomcat class paths on device dsa1:,  so modify > as needed) > ' > $ def apache$jakarta_user_classpath - L > dsa1:[apache.jakarta.tomcat.work.standalone.localhost.examples.jsp.cal], -N > dsa1:[apache.jakarta.tomcat.work.standalone.localhost.examples.jsp.colors],  > - N > dsa1:[apache.jakarta.tomcat.work.standalone.localhost.examples.jsp.dates], -L > dsa1:[apache.jakarta.tomcat.work.standalone.localhost.examples.jsp.num], -N > dsa1:[apache.jakarta.tomcat.work.standalone.localhost.examples.jsp.plugin],  > - I > dsa1:[apache.jakarta.tomcat.work.standalone.localhost.examples.jsp.snp]  >  > Rick Barry$ > Secure Web Server Development Team  > OpenVMS Systems Software Group > Hewlett Packard Company  > Nashua, NH >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:24:43 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU ID0 Message-ID: <00A1E2FD.C7D234FD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <3E954705.23437.16AF23@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:E >>    I'm not sure DELTA has write access to this?  Did you use the W  >>    command? > G >Entering "W" causes the wonderful "EH?" message.  Regardless, I'm now  A >correctly entering the value -- it stays set.  But the F$GETSYI   >doesn't change. > 7 >Anyone have any source listings?  I can't find mine...  > M >>    if the page is writeable simply write a routine to CMKRNL and write it.  >  >That's my eventual plan.   L Since this value is extracted by $GETSYI from the PR$_SID internal processorL register, writing a "simple" write routine will not change anything.  I haveL decided that I needed a little "diversion" today so I'm writing you a LEI toL modify the $GETSYI behaviour.  I'll work some more on it later.  Right now I) have to take my son to baseball practice.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:50:24 GMT   From: Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com>  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU IDK Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304101346380.7749-100000@localhost.localdomain>   F I'm trying to remember back to the beginning of this thread.  Correct H me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that you are running Charon-VAX.  E An application is expecting a particular CPU ID and you want to poke   it into VMS.  E Isn't this a function that the emulator should do?  VMS gets the CPU  E ID from some particular register (if I understood Brian correctly).   G Charon ought to set that register up according to some setting in your   emulator configuration file.  F As a reseller, do you have any pull with the Charon company.  Can you  get them to fix this?      --    / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com A G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)4                                  (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:16:28 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU ID. Message-ID: <3E95B4FC.14812.12A7F09@localhost>  G > Isn't this a function that the emulator should do?  VMS gets the CPU  G > ID from some particular register (if I understood Brian correctly).   I > Charon ought to set that register up according to some setting in your   > emulator configuration file.  D That would break the emulation of the VAX processor, which has been < certified by HP as identical to a real VAX, instruction for  instruction.  F A couple of people have suggested that I hack the application, rather ) than VMS.  I'm researching that avenue... 
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:50:09 +0100 " From: "Rolona" <nospam@nospam.com>  Subject: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit7 Message-ID: <V9ila.9$i_.6@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>   I Don't see a dowload for this on their site. Anyone know where I can get a 
 copy for W2K.  J. Oxley   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:13:03 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>$ Subject: Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit, Message-ID: <3E9589FF.1099.82923A@localhost>  K > Don't see a dowload for this on their site. Anyone know where I can get a  > copy for W2K.   E Sorry -- a few rotten eggs ruined the whole deal.  There are several  ? commercial installations running the Hobbyist version.  So, no  
 downloads.  B CHARON-VAX resellers can set up an evaluation kit for prospective 
 customers.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:51:49 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> / Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX ' Message-ID: <3E961FB5.5413C47E@fsi.net>    Carl Perkins wrote:  > ) > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes... H > }>All in all, the best solution is for the relevant governmental typesH > }>to get rid of the moronic daylight savings time. It is just a stupid= > }>idea that should have never been used in the first place.  > } G > }I don't agree, it improves the quality of life.  Now Fred can get in  > }18-holes  > }after work:-) > }> > }>--- Carl > G > Daylight Savings Time has nothing to do with that, as such. It's just G > from getting up and going to work an hour earlier so that you get off G > work an hour earlier (well, that and the longer days). If you want to K > do that, then just do it - leave the damn clocks alone (especially mine).   F Maybe the U.S. should just push all the clocks back a half-hour at theE end of October this year, then leave 'em that way from then on. Split  the difference, y'know?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 13:24:44 -0700+ From: c00per11242001@yahoo.ca (Vic Mendham) 2 Subject: DecServer 700 and UCX 4.2 with bootp/tftp= Message-ID: <f7a73cb1.0304101224.1a0f2330@posting.google.com>   6 We're told they're shutting down Lat/Decnet on any new@ implementations, so we have to get rid or the old Decserve 200 &> 300's. But this means MOM$LOAD won't work to load cfg into the
 decserver.  E Does anyone have any hints on Decserver 700 cfg to get it to speak to  UCX 4.2 with bootp / tftp?  @ Is there a cfg book out there anywhere? ( in pdf / html format )F How secure is bootp/TFTP, cause I guess we need this left open, incase2 the decserver resets and needs to be loaded again?  1 Any problems or cavets on bootp /tftp on UCX 4.2?   0 Any problems on going through different subnets?   Thanks   c00per11242001@yahoo.ca    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 15:59:17 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 6 Subject: Re: DecServer 700 and UCX 4.2 with bootp/tftp3 Message-ID: <Dqr4MXPwoYOf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <f7a73cb1.0304101224.1a0f2330@posting.google.com>, c00per11242001@yahoo.ca (Vic Mendham) writes:   8 > We're told they're shutting down Lat/Decnet on any new > implementations,  * Who is "they" ?  Implementations of what ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:11:40 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 6 Subject: Re: DecServer 700 and UCX 4.2 with bootp/tftp' Message-ID: <3E96245C.551BE6C8@fsi.net>    Vic Mendham wrote: > 8 > We're told they're shutting down Lat/Decnet on any newB > implementations, so we have to get rid or the old Decserve 200 &@ > 300's. But this means MOM$LOAD won't work to load cfg into the > decserver.  G Ditto Larry K.'s questions. What dim-witted, clueless morons are trying  to dictate network protocols?   G > Does anyone have any hints on Decserver 700 cfg to get it to speak to  > UCX 4.2 with bootp / tftp?  E It's all in the UCX setup. DS700 should seek a bootp load host on its  own.  B > Is there a cfg book out there anywhere? ( in pdf / html format )H > How secure is bootp/TFTP, cause I guess we need this left open, incase4 > the decserver resets and needs to be loaded again? > 3 > Any problems or cavets on bootp /tftp on UCX 4.2?  > 2 > Any problems on going through different subnets?  C AFAIK, bootp is limited to the local LAN segment. I could be wrong,  however.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 22:12:52 -0700$ From: bdhobbs18@acm.org (Bill Hobbs)) Subject: Re: Disappearing CR/LF in editor = Message-ID: <74ca5032.0304102112.7eefc7e4@posting.google.com>   c "Poiter" <johan@noway.not> wrote in message news:<3e8da426$0$29727$4d4ebb8e@read.news.nl.uu.net>...   > File organization:  Sequential  N > Record format:      VFC, 2 byte header, maximum 100 bytes, longest 100 bytes1 > Record attributes:  Print file carriage control   J > We also tried a fdl conversion, but that didn't work. Also, when doing aN > type /output=newfile , in the newfile the cr/lf is also gone. We also calledG > support and they didn't have a solution, but did know of the problem.   F A similar thread, "Convert question - DCPS printing", 2000 Aug 23, for$ which I posted a conversion program:C http://www.google.com/groups?selm=8o63gl%24qh5%241%40nnrp1.deja.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:01:09 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>) Subject: ES-40 memory problems (Infineon) @ Message-ID: <20030410230109.63693.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>  / Anyone here had problems with ES-40 memories  ? 1 In one year we had memory failures with 3 ES-40 ? 5 It is not related to datacenter environmentes because 7 each machine is separated to each other at least 500km. 5 The memories are from Infineon. Today I had a machine 2 check and I asked HP Field to change all the 10 GB7 and not only the slots indicated (?) by Compaq Analyze. 9 In this machine we had 3 memory failures (2 in this year)    Regards    FC     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?= Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more  http://tax.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:22:34 -0400 , From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>- Subject: Re: ES-40 memory problems (Infineon) / Message-ID: <v9bvd7h5fc4t31@news.supernews.com>    Weirdly enough  1 We sold Compaq 16 sets of MS610-EA (2gb kits) and G 3 sets failed (even though they were tested here) within 2 days - still  trying to resolve this issue  ) Methinks there is a manufacturing problem   ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message : news:20030410230109.63693.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com...1 > Anyone here had problems with ES-40 memories  ? 3 > In one year we had memory failures with 3 ES-40 ? 7 > It is not related to datacenter environmentes because 9 > each machine is separated to each other at least 500km. 7 > The memories are from Infineon. Today I had a machine 4 > check and I asked HP Field to change all the 10 GB9 > and not only the slots indicated (?) by Compaq Analyze. ; > In this machine we had 3 memory failures (2 in this year)  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC >  > =====  > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more  > http://tax.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:53:43 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) * Subject: Re: Help installing hobbyist kits0 Message-ID: <Hcila.629$kN4.512@news.cpqcorp.net>  h In article <s1ela.280$cw.184@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>, "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes: >How about this: > 1 >$ set default dua1:[kits.decnet_plus_vax073_kit]  >$ product install * > C >You will presented with a list of products it finds (.PCSI files).   >Select what you like by number.   Or do this:   7     $ product install decnet_plus /source=dua1:[kits.*] 3                                                     8 and get ALL produts listed.  Select those that you want.0 PCSI can concurrently install multiple products.   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:41:05 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> " Subject: Re: in need for vms 5.5-23 Message-ID: <3E95BAC1.BD1AD34E@applied-synergy.com>    Nic Clews wrote: >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > d > > In article <c72bf925.0304090828.a784bb@posting.google.com>, alex.schamari@gmx.net (Alex) writes: > C > > > I know about the limitations for upgrading to newer versions. E > > > But I find it very interesting that with a new (7.3 eg) license ) > > > I could use any older version, too.  > > > Can anybody confirm that?  > > C > > Yes, that statement is true about licenses (but not necessarily D > > PAKs and their predecessor mechanisms, particularly when running > > on VMS V5.1 or earlier). >  > Pre LMF licensing: > H > DECnet is an interesting case because you used to get a key on a TK50.I > However I think it is now on the freeware disks. Any other DEC products E > have odd licensing? Didn't user licences come on a tape (or console  > media) as well?   D Quite often the licensing "key" was a tape/disk/floppy that provided9 some executable that was missing in the standard release.   ( I believe that was the case with DECnet.  B In the VMS 4.x timeframe, VMS came with an unlimited user license.  A However, MicroVMS came with a limited number of users.  The "key" @ tapes/floppies loaded a new LOGINOUT.EXE with a different limit.  3 FWIW: The VMS LOGINOUT.EXE worked fine on MicroVMS.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 05:02:08 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")4 Subject: Is DCPS 2.2 for AXP available for download?6 Message-ID: <00A1E335.4B2A8ADD@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   Comp.os.vmsers --   L I poked around the www.openvms.compaq.com site and did various searches, butJ couldn't find a place to download DCPS.  (My theory is that it _should_ beK available for download because, like CSWS, CSWS_PERL, Availability Manager, J etc, it's included in the VMS license, and you can't use it on anythingbutF a VMS system anyway.)  Is it available for download, and if so, where?  > Perhaps not having 2.2 isn't my problem; here are my symptoms.  M I'm running DCPS 2.0 on 7.3-1 on DS20E, and I now need to support an HP 4200. I It's hooked up, and I can print on it.  The cover sheet says "hp LaserJet L 4200", and it prints, does number_up, does duplex or single-sided, etcetera,L just fine.  But print jobs where I specify the /param=input_tray=tray_1 just die:  8 %DCPS-E-INTRAYNOTSUP, No tray_1 tray on hp LaserJet 4200  F Help Print_Parameters says HP Laserjet 4000 and 4050 have trays named F tray_1, tray_2, tray_3, etc.  (It doesn't recognize input_tray=1, and E DCL doesn't like "input_tray=tray-1" or "input_tray=TRAY 1".  It also 2 doesn't like trays named TOP or BOTTOM or MIDDLE.)   Any info appreciated.    -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 13:56:49 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field3 Message-ID: <sRbUT1fhh$IZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3E957305.37C4D7AF@ourtownusa.org>, Lyle West <arf@ourtownusa.org> writes:  > Nic Clews wrote: >> >> Phillip Helbig wrote: >> > <snip> L >> > What I want to do is determine whether the contents of a directory haveL >> > changed.  Presumably, this field would be updated then.  (Of course, it? >> > might be updated for other reasons; that's not a problem.)  >> > <snip> 
 >> <snip> J >> From the remainder of your question it looks as if you want to test theI >> directory file in order to see if a file within it [the directory] has J >> changed. But can't you also open a file for write access but still makeE >> no changes? Is changing protection or ACL's modifying the file? Is 4 >> changing the date field modifying the file? (sic)
 >>  <snip> > H > By default, 'changing protection or ACL IS modifying the file, and at D > close, RMS will update it to relect current time as 'modification'
 > (actually,  ; > rms calls it 'revision', dcl calls it modification) date.   H Also note that creating, renaming or deleting a file in a directory does/ _not_ count as a modification to the directory.   ? So looking at the directory modification date is _not_ a useful 9 test to determine if the directory contents have changed.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:35:01 -0500 $ From: Lyle West <arf@ourtownusa.org>* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field. Message-ID: <3E957305.37C4D7AF@ourtownusa.org>   Nic Clews wrote: >  > Phillip Helbig wrote: 
 > > <snip>K > > What I want to do is determine whether the contents of a directory have K > > changed.  Presumably, this field would be updated then.  (Of course, it > > > might be updated for other reasons; that's not a problem.)
 > > <snip>	 > <snip>  I > From the remainder of your question it looks as if you want to test the H > directory file in order to see if a file within it [the directory] hasI > changed. But can't you also open a file for write access but still make D > no changes? Is changing protection or ACL's modifying the file? Is3 > changing the date field modifying the file? (sic) 	 >  <snip>   F By default, 'changing protection or ACL IS modifying the file, and at B close, RMS will update it to relect current time as 'modification' (actually,  9 rms calls it 'revision', dcl calls it modification) date.   E If you send me a private e-mail, I can show you a supported method of 
 inhibiting file modifiaction dates. --     Lyle W. West  > Try ell with three dubya's and at with mninter arf net and use dot rather than arf  __   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 11:37:44 -0700* From: morrisj@epsilon3.com (Jay E. Morris)7 Subject: Linux 7.2/VMS 7.3-1/NFS & crap on copy of file < Message-ID: <8600a73e.0304101037.83de570@posting.google.com>   OK, the dirty details.  $ RH Linux 7.2 on an AlphaServer 1000 2 Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6g  VMS 7.3-1 on an AlhpaServer 2100= Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 1 4   on a AlphaServer 2100 4/275 running OpenVMS V7.3-1   NFS mount on Linux:  node:/ftpdir/ftp /ftp nfs 7 rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr,addr=0.0.0.0 0 0 @ (Names and addresses changed to protect the innocent of course.)   Web server default directory:    /usr/local/apache/htdocs  + About 200 softlinks to directories in /ftp.    Now the problem.  D I'm creating a perl program in /home/progs.  If I cat or more a fileE in any of the NFS directoriers, there is no problem.  I see the whole D file and nothing but the file.  But if I copy the file, using eitherD /ftp/dir/filename or /usr/local/apache/htdocs/dir1/filename there is> extra crap carried over at the end of the file.  Anything fromF serveral characters to several lines.  When I open the file in my perlA program and read it into an array I get the same crap at the end.   F Now the really interesting thing is that as I process the file in eachE directory (all same filename but are diffenent in size and directory) 9 I get the exact same bit of crap at the end of each file.    I'm stumped.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:51:08 +0100 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>, Subject: Re: locked out by CDE screen saver!5 Message-ID: <b74pu5$aflkf$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>   F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KUKJY0S39GA9QRGF@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... < > > Pure guess:  Keyboard error of some kind.  Next time try7 > > unplugging/plugging the keyboard from the PS2 port.  > E > I'll give that a try.  However, the keyboard worked fine before and  > after. > K > > Much scarier is the possibility that you were hacked, and that wasn't a H > > real screensaver you were typing your password into but a remote (orL > > even local?) trojan horse X app which was saving your password attempts. > G > Highly unlikely since the workstation only has access to stuff on the J > internal network which is of course isolated from the rest of the world.J > Since VAXman seems to have the problem quite often, I guess it must be a > bug in CDE somewhere.   L Every time this has happened to me it is due to intrusion detection, usually8 because the damn cat has been walking on the keyboard...H Next time it happens set host or telnet in from somewhere else and $ sho /intr      -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net  http://www.travell.uk.net/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:05:14 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Microsoft & OpteronE Message-ID: <e0lla.2848$CV.1037@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   F http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&ncid=1209&e=10&u=/pcworld( /20030409/tc_pcworld/110210&sid=95612683  B Microsoft will release a 64-bit version of Windows Server 2003 and> Windows XP for Advanced Micro Devices' forthcoming Opteron and- Athlon64 processors, Microsoft has announced.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:02:20 +0100 " From: "Rolona" <nospam@nospam.com>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar8 Message-ID: <ilila.39$i_.2@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>  
 Well said./ On the website it quotes "licenses from $1900". H I could buy a bunch of Vaxes for that, with licences. They would be more7 reliable than a new W2K box . Seems to be a bad option.   , "Roy Omond" <Roy@Omond.net> wrote in message# news:3E958D0F.D6FB793F@Omond.net...  > "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > * > > On 10 Apr 2003 at 12:15, Rolona wrote:I > > > Can anyone help me purchase these 8 systems? Where to find the etc.  > > G > > VAX 4000 systems can be completely replaced using CHARON-VAX.  That A > > would allow you to run on Alpha or Intel hardware without any  > > software rewrite.  > C > Yes, but at what price ?  How's about actually making public what " > Charon-VAX would actually cost ? >  > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:10:24 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar, Message-ID: <3E958960.4312.8026C8@localhost>  & On 10 Apr 2003 at 19:02, Rolona wrote:1 > On the website it quotes "licenses from $1900".    On what website?  J > I could buy a bunch of Vaxes for that, with licences. They would be more9 > reliable than a new W2K box . Seems to be a bad option.   F Actually, W2k can be a very reliable platform.  We recommend that all @ unnecessary services (which are most of them) be disabled.  The = system must be dedicated to CHARON-VAX, and run nothing else.   @ And don't buy a cheap W2k box -- get a server-quality box.  The  difference is amazing.    
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:55:31 -0400 ( From: "Ivan Gold" <igold@computerch.net>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar: Message-ID: <A0kla.7561$io.281595@iad-read.news.verio.net>  5 "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message & news:3E954555.5836.10178E@localhost...( > On 10 Apr 2003 at 12:15, Rolona wrote:G > > Can anyone help me purchase these 8 systems? Where to find the etc.  > E > VAX 4000 systems can be completely replaced using CHARON-VAX.  That ? > would allow you to run on Alpha or Intel hardware without any  > software rewrite.  Check out:  > * >     http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html >  >  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 00:05:53 +0100 " From: "Rolona" <nospam@nospam.com>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar; Message-ID: <LNmla.102$ew2.72@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>   5 "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message & news:3E958960.4312.8026C8@localhost...( > On 10 Apr 2003 at 19:02, Rolona wrote:3 > > On the website it quotes "licenses from $1900".  >  > On what website?  0 http://www.mscsinc.com/Charon-VAX/Charon-VAX.htm Near the bottomn   >:L > > I could buy a bunch of Vaxes for that, with licences. They would be more; > > reliable than a new W2K box . Seems to be a bad option.  >PG > Actually, W2k can be a very reliable platform.  We recommend that alliA > unnecessary services (which are most of them) be disabled.  The ? > system must be dedicated to CHARON-VAX, and run nothing else.N  G A few conditions to make it work? Why don't you mention the price then?. >iA > And don't buy a cheap W2k box -- get a server-quality box.  The  > difference is amazing.   Want me to spend even more eh?   >e >S > --Stan Quaylem > Quayle Consulting Inc. >l > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671n3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147a? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.como >i >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 00:22:41 GMTu0 From: HARANGOZO CSABA   <spameater@spam.invalid>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar6 Message-ID: <lVnla.1619$e8.87955@nasal.pacific.net.au>  ! Rolona <nospam@nospam.com> wrote: E > Can anyone help me purchase these 8 systems? Where to find the etc.0    [ mailed & posted ]  I                                                                          iE    From: Michiel Erens (I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid)oG    Subject: Lots of hobbyist VAXen for sale (Amsterdam/the Netherlands)      I                                        View: Complete Thread (2 articles) I                                                           Original FormattI                                                                          g    Newsgroups:    comp.os.vms     Date: 2002-05-29 11:37:55 PST     9 I noticed an ad from someone who sells a lot of Vaxen fort= what I  think is a fair price. Like Vax 4000 VLC for EUR 10,-X and Vax 4000-60 for EUR 15,-  0 You can find the ad on http://www.marktplaats.nl9 category : computers hardware, subcategory : sun/unix/sgio% The date of the 4 ads are 30-apr-2002 ) (or mail direct to rschipper@tribase.nl).f  < B.t.w. I have nothing to do with it, except that I'm now the proud owner of a 4000-60 :-)   -- ME Posted by news://news.nb.nuhF      _________________________________________________________________&                                          						Cheers,  Csaba  J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:a    Shaw's Principle :1*   Build a system that even a fool can use,) 	    and only a fool will want to use it.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 00:30:27 GMTI0 From: HARANGOZO CSABA   <spameater@spam.invalid>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar6 Message-ID: <D0ola.1620$e8.87954@nasal.pacific.net.au>  ! Rolona <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:  > Well said.1 > On the website it quotes "licenses from $1900". J > I could buy a bunch of Vaxes for that, with licences. They would be more9 > reliable than a new W2K box . Seems to be a bad option.c    [mailed & posted ]l  I                                                                          eE    From: Michiel Erens (I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid)lG    Subject: Lots of hobbyist VAXen for sale (Amsterdam/the Netherlands)s    /I                                        View: Complete Thread (2 articles) I                                                           Original Format1I                                                                          t    Newsgroups:    comp.os.vms     Date: 2002-05-29 11:37:55 PST    c9 I noticed an ad from someone who sells a lot of Vaxen for = what I  think is a fair price. Like Vax 4000 VLC for EUR 10,-  and Vax 4000-60 for EUR 15,-  0 You can find the ad on http://www.marktplaats.nl9 category : computers hardware, subcategory : sun/unix/sgi?% The date of the 4 ads are 30-apr-2002e) (or mail direct to rschipper@tribase.nl).   < B.t.w. I have nothing to do with it, except that I'm now the proud owner of a 4000-60 :-)   -- ME Posted by news://news.nb.nu F      _________________________________________________________________&                                        						Cheers,  Csaba    J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:t    Shaw's Principle :c*   Build a system that even a fool can use,) 	    and only a fool will want to use it.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:45:54 -0400s* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar. Message-ID: <3E95F422.11000.2212B6A@localhost>  % On 11 Apr 2003 at 0:05, Rolona wrote:l5 > > > On the website it quotes "licenses from $1900".h  B That number is not at all true.  Thanks for pointing it out to me.    I > A few conditions to make it work? Why don't you mention the price then?c  F Because it depends on quantities, discounts, support options, product > version (since there's *8* different flavors), etc., etc.  My D function as a reseller to match the product AND the services to get  the job done right.o    C > > And don't buy a cheap W2k box -- get a server-quality box.  The1 > > difference is amazing.  > Want me to spend even more eh?  A If you buy a used $100 Pentium at Honest Al's PC and Storm Door, aC you'll miss out on things like dual power supplies, hardware RAID, w modern disks, etc.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-167111 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147h= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comr   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:16:12 -0700 (PDT)o. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>: Subject: OT: CSABA is not aborigine, he is hungarian ! :-O@ Message-ID: <20030411011612.54881.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>   Sounds strange / funny but ...  B I allways imagined CSABA HARANGOZO as an aborigine name because heD lives in  Australia (.au) !  I never imagined he was a magyar@#$#@$.  E http://www.reedconsulting.com/octopush/tmt/199906siec/en/teams-m.htmlh  7 PS: I was in Budapest in 2000 ! I loved that city ! :-)k   Regards.   FC s   =====s ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?= Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more  http://tax.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:55:59 +1000-) From: HARANGOZO CSABA <csabah@zip.com.au> > Subject: Re: OT: CSABA is not aborigine, he is hungarian ! :-OH Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0304111342190.444-100000@zipperii.zip.com.au>   		Hi Fabio,s    > Sounds strange / funny but ... > D > I allways imagined CSABA HARANGOZO as an aborigine name because heF > lives in  Australia (.au) !  I never imagined he was a magyar@#$#@$.  = 	Because you haven't read ( or remember ) my post to yours in.? 	comp.os.vms a while back :-) You were writing about the UnicumC7 	drink, and I provided some info replying to that post.iA 	From this you should have guessed that I am familiar with thingso 	Hungarian.tA 	Also, not many Aborigine people work with VMS, or have computersa5 	:-/. There are less than 400 000 of them remained... B 	And finally, the first name Csaba is very Hungarian, in spelling,& 	etc. I was born and raised in Europe.  G > http://www.reedconsulting.com/octopush/tmt/199906siec/en/teams-m.htmlt   	I'll have a look.  9 > PS: I was in Budapest in 2000 ! I loved that city ! :-)i  ; 	Nice city, long history. It is getting expensive though...- 	Soon to be part of the EU.0
 	Take care...  						Cheers,  Csaba  J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:i    Dr. Caligari's Come-Back : H   A bad sector disk error occurs only after you've done several hours of$    work without performing a backup.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:19:40 +0200r. From: labadie <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Reboot ) Message-ID: <3E95D1DC.4AD4819D@127.0.0.1>e   David Webb wrote:l  \ > In article <3E955F55.A704BDCF@127.0.0.1>, labadie <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> writes: > >  > >b > >Phillip Helbig wrote: > >sN > >> > Newbie question... how do I safely shutdown and restart an OpenVMS box? > >>  > >> $ @ SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM > >>I > >> Just execute the above command and follow the instructions.  For the/K > >> option list, I recommend REBOOT_CHECK,SAVE_FEEDBACK and, if the system2' > >> is part of a cluster, REMOVE_NODE.@ > >. > >Philip you are joking !!h > > 3 > >One should use remove_node only, as the doc says P > >"Use this option if the node you are shutting down will be out of the cluster" > >a considerable period of time." >tP > Where does it say that. I've always used REMOVE_NODE when rebooting one of the; > nodes of a cluster even if it is coming straight back up.u   in the doc, on this mirrorL http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/docs/openvms0731/731final/6017/6017pro_011.html   Regardso   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 00:10:47 -0400t  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: Rebootn5 Message-ID: <1030410235815.2426A-100000@Ives.egh.com>   & On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, David Webb wrote:  L > In article <3E955F55.A704BDCF@127.0.0.1>, labadie <en_trajectant_a_mort@1= 27.0.0.1> writes:a > >m > >  > >Phillip Helbig wrote: > >-L > >> > Newbie question... how do I safely shutdown and restart an OpenVMS b= ox?< > >>  > >> $ @ SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM > >>I > >> Just execute the above command and follow the instructions.  For theeK > >> option list, I recommend REBOOT_CHECK,SAVE_FEEDBACK and, if the systemW' > >> is part of a cluster, REMOVE_NODE.- > >- > >Philip you are joking !!: > > 3 > >One should use remove_node only, as the doc saysuL > >"Use this option if the node you are shutting down will be out of the cl= uster " > >a considerable period of time." >=20L > Where does it say that. I've always used REMOVE_NODE when rebooting one o= f thee; > nodes of a cluster even if it is coming straight back up.o >=20 >=20 > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >=20 >=20 > > L > >Not if you are just doing a shutdown for some hardware issue, and boot b= ack 2- > >hours later.a > >P
 > >Regards > >8 > >G=E9rard   G On my NI cluster (no HSx disk servers, only local disks), I *NEVER* userC "REMOVE_NODE" except when doing something drastic to the system I'm-F shutting down.  Why?  All the disks are local to one system or anotherE and are MSCP-served to the other members.  There are a fair number ofnF files on many of the served disks that are permanently open (installedC images, etc.)  REMOVE_NODE does a dismount/cluster of all the locallD disks on the node you are shuting down.  If you don't INSTALL REMOVEB everything on all the remote systems, this will wedge the disk andA you'll end up having to reboot the other systems to clear it.  If A you don't use REMOVE_NODE, then the worst case is the other nodescE will see the served disks from the shutdown node go into MOUNT-VERIFYa@ state until it comes back up and starts serving its disks again.  B (Note: If you do *anything* to the served disks, except mount them@ read-only, e.g. for a backup), they will fail Mount-verificationC recovery after you reboot.  If there are no open files on the disk,o@ this is no biggy; you can just dismount/abort on the other nodes> and remount it.  If there are open files, you might be able to@ stop the processes that have them open, and then remount, but ifB there is pending I/O or if there are installed images, you'll haveA to reboot the other systems too.  The main time this issue arises/C is if I'm upgrading VMS on one of the system disks.  I need to make2A sure that disk has no open files or installed images on any otherDC node and dismount it from all other nodes *before* shutting down=200 the node I'm going to upgrade.)    --=20  John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Apr 2003 13:09 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)o+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPs- Message-ID: <10APR200313091874@gerg.tamu.edu>C  + Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes...  }Carl Perkins wrote:@ }> Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes...= }> }> Of course MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER is documented in help.  }> }I }> }Right.  It is not documented that a) the USER doesn't have to have anbK }> }account on the machine and b) USER doesn't have to conform to the rules  }> }for a valid VMS username.- }> }J }> }> But isn't handling such mail by a forwarded user contraproductive in }> }> terms of resource usage ?a }> }F }> }The original poster was trying to deal with mail which had already3 }> }reached his machine, but couldn't be delivered.g }> }H }> }> The normal behaviour of SMTP receiver for undeliverable mail is toK }> }> return it to sender with an error code of "user unknown", i.e. is not I }> }> stored at all on the system, while using set forward to a SPAM_TRAP,& }> }> stores (and processes) the mail. }> }L }> }Right, but if the return address is invalid, as with much spam, then theF }> }message won't be delivered, but SMTP will keep trying for a while.L }> }Delivering it to SPAM_TRAP probably consumes less resources than keepingK }> }these "user unknown" messages in the queue until SMTP finally gives up.e }> OJ }> No, normally they don't stay in the queue. They never get to the queue.J }> In fact, they never completely arrive on the system in the first place. } B }Well then why do I continually get such messages in my queue? The  G Beats me. Note that I said "normally". An anoyingly large percentage of7) software is not in the "normal" category.w  G }usernames are not defined as VMS users, or as VMS mail-specific users. H }Are you saying this is a bug in TCPIP Services? It seems like something   It could be.  A You wouldn't happen to be including "disusered" and/or "dimailed"o@ accounts  in the "not defined as VMS users" category, would you?A The SMTP server's user verification may not check the flags, just A the existance of the account in the SYSUAF file. I have seen thist prarticular problem before.   - }this major would have been addressed by now./ } L }> When the message comes in the SMTP port and there is not valid recipient,L }> the SMTP server is supposed to reject the mail and never even receive theP }> entire message - the attempt to send the DATA command when no valid recipientD }> has been specified should never even be attempted. From RFC 2821: }> bH }>    -  If there was no MAIL, or no RCPT, command, or all such commandsI }>       were rejected, the server MAY return a "command out of sequence"eK }>       (503) or "no valid recipients" (554) reply in response to the DATArF }>       command.  If one of those replies (or any other 5yz reply) isB }>       received, the client MUST NOT send the message data; moreG }>       generally, message data MUST NOT be sent unless a 354 reply is  }>       received. }>   }> --- Carln  D The problem may be that while the RFC says "the client MUST NOT sendD the message data", it doesn't say (as far as I know) what the serverD end is supposed to do if some broken client sends it anyway. I wouldF guess that it should throw it away as it comes in. If they were to askD me how it should be written, I'd say that they should dump the firstH buffer, send back an error code that amounts to "we don't talk to brokenK SMTP software" and close the connection (and probably refuse any connection G attempts to the SMTP port from that system for at least a few seconds).5  A But a system should not accept mail for an invalid address. So in > that respect, I would say it is a bug - or at least a mistake.  C On the other hand, go over your SMTP configuration very carefully - ? especially the anti-relaying related configuration (I don't use=@ TCPIP Services, so I don't know how this is configured; MultinetB uses a file with various rules for rejecting messages, and a smallC mistake could possible lead to a situation that acts something like  my example below).  < Note that there are cases where it is hard to detect invalidB addresses - like a system that is a mail hub which relays messagesC to other mail servers. It often doesn't know what the valid account>E names are on the end system(s), it just knows to forward messages forfA "*@foo.com" to "*@blah.foo.com". In such a case, a spoofed returneB address could casue a problem like this. Send to "invalid@foo.com"E which is accepted by the server "bar.com" (since, for example, the MXeC record for "foo.com" is "bar.com"). Then "bar.com" tries to send itvE on to "invalid@blah.foo.com" where it turns out that there is no such2A username - now "bar.com" is stuck returning the message which, asiF it turns out, has the forged return address of "also_invalid@bar.com".J Instant problem like yours. (This is obviously not an ideal configuration.F It turns out that lots of sub-optimal configurations are in use in the- real world. I suspect you are not surprised.)t   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 00:48:23 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzl+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP $ Message-ID: <3e960ccd.89093289@news>  ( Followed the thread below with interest.B We suffer the same problems as Don, unsolicited e-mail arrives for folk who have long gone.7 There's no entry in the UAF or the Mail files for them._  D Now I'm guessing here 'cause I'm not an SMTP guru, but it seems SMTP@ Mail must make it past the SMTP handler in order to determine if there's a valid VMS Mail User?   So, ah header like:   , Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:27:30 +1200 (NZST); Message-Id: <03041005273088@squishedjustincase.wxx.govt.nz> / From: TCPIP$SMTP@squishedjustincase.XXX.GOVT.NZe To: singles@netdeals2002.com Subject: Returned mail    ' ---- Transcript of session follows ----w  D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   10-APR-2003 05:27:30.73  %%%%%%%%%%%%% %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user CLERKn  % ---- Recipients of this delivery ----S  0 <clerk@squishedjustincase.wxx.govt.nz> (bounced)    ---- Unsent message follows ----  C Gets recycled round and round. And, like Don I'd like to be able to E make my SMTP be a bit less tolerant of this and just bin it. Why tell.3 the nonsensical sender there's no one of that name?   B I'm using the smtp.config file to bin some of the stuff from known, spamming domains. But it sure ain't easy....      B On 10 Apr 2003 13:09 CDT, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:  , >Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes... >}Carl Perkins wrote:-A >}> Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes...r> >}> }> Of course MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER is documented in help. >}> }DJ >}> }Right.  It is not documented that a) the USER doesn't have to have anL >}> }account on the machine and b) USER doesn't have to conform to the rules >}> }for a valid VMS username. >}> }wK >}> }> But isn't handling such mail by a forwarded user contraproductive ins  >}> }> terms of resource usage ? >}> }tG >}> }The original poster was trying to deal with mail which had alreadyo4 >}> }reached his machine, but couldn't be delivered. >}> }tI >}> }> The normal behaviour of SMTP receiver for undeliverable mail is toeL >}> }> return it to sender with an error code of "user unknown", i.e. is notJ >}> }> stored at all on the system, while using set forward to a SPAM_TRAP' >}> }> stores (and processes) the mail.n >}> } M >}> }Right, but if the return address is invalid, as with much spam, then thetG >}> }message won't be delivered, but SMTP will keep trying for a while.fM >}> }Delivering it to SPAM_TRAP probably consumes less resources than keepinghL >}> }these "user unknown" messages in the queue until SMTP finally gives up. >}> K >}> No, normally they don't stay in the queue. They never get to the queue.eK >}> In fact, they never completely arrive on the system in the first place.s >} eC >}Well then why do I continually get such messages in my queue? TheT >EH >Beats me. Note that I said "normally". An anoyingly large percentage of* >software is not in the "normal" category. >pH >}usernames are not defined as VMS users, or as VMS mail-specific users.I >}Are you saying this is a bug in TCPIP Services? It seems like something  >e
 >It could be.0 >0B >You wouldn't happen to be including "disusered" and/or "dimailed"A >accounts  in the "not defined as VMS users" category, would you?dB >The SMTP server's user verification may not check the flags, justB >the existance of the account in the SYSUAF file. I have seen this >prarticular problem before. >o. >}this major would have been addressed by now. >} tM >}> When the message comes in the SMTP port and there is not valid recipient,aM >}> the SMTP server is supposed to reject the mail and never even receive thenQ >}> entire message - the attempt to send the DATA command when no valid recipient?E >}> has been specified should never even be attempted. From RFC 2821:' >}> I >}>    -  If there was no MAIL, or no RCPT, command, or all such commandssJ >}>       were rejected, the server MAY return a "command out of sequence"L >}>       (503) or "no valid recipients" (554) reply in response to the DATAG >}>       command.  If one of those replies (or any other 5yz reply) is C >}>       received, the client MUST NOT send the message data; moreeH >}>       generally, message data MUST NOT be sent unless a 354 reply is >}>       received.t >}>  >}> --- Carl >zE >The problem may be that while the RFC says "the client MUST NOT sendaE >the message data", it doesn't say (as far as I know) what the server)E >end is supposed to do if some broken client sends it anyway. I would=G >guess that it should throw it away as it comes in. If they were to ask-E >me how it should be written, I'd say that they should dump the first I >buffer, send back an error code that amounts to "we don't talk to broken9L >SMTP software" and close the connection (and probably refuse any connectionH >attempts to the SMTP port from that system for at least a few seconds). >-B >But a system should not accept mail for an invalid address. So in? >that respect, I would say it is a bug - or at least a mistake.b >fD >On the other hand, go over your SMTP configuration very carefully -@ >especially the anti-relaying related configuration (I don't useA >TCPIP Services, so I don't know how this is configured; MultinettC >uses a file with various rules for rejecting messages, and a smallaD >mistake could possible lead to a situation that acts something like >my example below).  > = >Note that there are cases where it is hard to detect invalid C >addresses - like a system that is a mail hub which relays messageseD >to other mail servers. It often doesn't know what the valid accountF >names are on the end system(s), it just knows to forward messages forB >"*@foo.com" to "*@blah.foo.com". In such a case, a spoofed returnC >address could casue a problem like this. Send to "invalid@foo.com"(F >which is accepted by the server "bar.com" (since, for example, the MXD >record for "foo.com" is "bar.com"). Then "bar.com" tries to send itF >on to "invalid@blah.foo.com" where it turns out that there is no suchB >username - now "bar.com" is stuck returning the message which, asG >it turns out, has the forged return address of "also_invalid@bar.com".eK >Instant problem like yours. (This is obviously not an ideal configuration.uG >It turns out that lots of sub-optimal configurations are in use in ther. >real world. I suspect you are not surprised.) >,	 >--- Carl3   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:38:33 -0300c0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP / Message-ID: <3E961C96.6F5C2B4A@vl.videotron.ca>w  " rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz wrote:E > Gets recycled round and round. And, like Don I'd like to be able tobG > make my SMTP be a bit less tolerant of this and just bin it. Why tell 5 > the nonsensical sender there's no one of that name?t  I It is good internet etiquette to send back non-delivery reports. Now, onerN could simply send back header information (subjevt, sender, destination, date) instead of the whole contents.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:29:34 +0200o" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl># Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? 5 Message-ID: <b74d6h$b3agp$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   J The later model 3100's share the same cpu board as similar sized 4000's. AL jumper inside or loading different firmware (I forgot) switches between DSSIL support or SCSI support. Second hand systems may be assembled from differentL systems so the label on the oustide no longer matches the internal hardware.   Hans  7 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> schreef in berichta/ news:b73mv5$aqint$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...-> > Why does my VAX 4000/100 have a label on the back that says: > MicroVAX 3100 M92u >c > bill >2 > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Apr 2003 18:39:18 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?e5 Message-ID: <b74dok$au3tv$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>1  5 In article <b74d6h$b3agp$1@id-143435.news.dfncis.de>, % 	"Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes: L > The later model 3100's share the same cpu board as similar sized 4000's. AN > jumper inside or loading different firmware (I forgot) switches between DSSIN > support or SCSI support. Second hand systems may be assembled from differentN > systems so the label on the oustide no longer matches the internal hardware.  @ This is no second hand system.  It's exactly what DEC delivered. Hmmmmm,,,,,,; It has DSSI, SCSI and an external QBUS extender. Maybe it'sh6 schizophrenic and doesn't know what it really is.  :-)   bill   -- nJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 14:58:14 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?u3 Message-ID: <tMVzkVCnX7qH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <b73mv5$aqint$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:> > Why does my VAX 4000/100 have a label on the back that says: > MicroVAX 3100 M92  >   ?    Is it one peice or two?  VAX 4000/100 series were sold as angD    "out of box" "in box" upgrade for VAX 3000 series.  You typicallyB    sat the 4000 box on top of the 3000 pedestal and ran the cablesA    inside.  Qbus cables ran from the 4000 to to an expander card w4    that replaced the original 3000 series CPU board.  @    If you bought the 4000/100 series for other purposes the QbusA    was optional.  DSSI and SCSI were also built into the 4000/100 
    series.  C    My home cluster includes a 4000/100 that I think was upgraded touE    a 4000/105 (I'd have to look to be for sure, I am sure there is ant     upgrade sticker on the back).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:48:39 -0400i3 From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> # Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?o: Message-ID: <69ola.52390$gC.12961@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com>  K Ahh.  Very close.  The answer is. . .  they are the same system board!  You K make the 92 into a 100 with a console command!  Hint:  >>>T (something).  Im0 have the full command buried here somewhere. . .    - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message0/ news:b74d6h$b3agp$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de...2L > The later model 3100's share the same cpu board as similar sized 4000's. AI > jumper inside or loading different firmware (I forgot) switches betweeng DSSID > support or SCSI support. Second hand systems may be assembled from	 differentaD > systems so the label on the oustide no longer matches the internal	 hardware.i >5 > Hans >i9 > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> schreef in bericht31 > news:b73mv5$aqint$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...o@ > > Why does my VAX 4000/100 have a label on the back that says: > > MicroVAX 3100 M92- > >- > > bill > >, > > --G > > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Threee wolvesH > > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > > University of Scranton   |B > > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h> >f   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:17:49 -0700 (PDT)o. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br># Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?B@ Message-ID: <20030411011749.97442.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>  = Why not HP open the VAX architecture to other company develop % some kind of 1U machine or blade ????    Regards    FC 08 --- "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> wrote:M > Ahh.  Very close.  The answer is. . .  they are the same system board!  YoutM > make the 92 into a 100 with a console command!  Hint:  >>>T (something).  Il2 > have the full command buried here somewhere. . . >  > / > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message-1 > news:b74d6h$b3agp$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de... N > > The later model 3100's share the same cpu board as similar sized 4000's. AK > > jumper inside or loading different firmware (I forgot) switches between3 > DSSIF > > support or SCSI support. Second hand systems may be assembled from > differenttF > > systems so the label on the oustide no longer matches the internal > hardware.e > >e > > Hans > > ; > > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> schreef in berichtr3 > > news:b73mv5$aqint$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...sB > > > Why does my VAX 4000/100 have a label on the back that says: > > > MicroVAX 3100 M92V > > > 
 > > > bill > > >  > > > --I > > > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Threez > wolvesJ > > > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  > > > University of Scranton   |D > > > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h> > >  >  >  >      =====m ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?= Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more. http://tax.yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Apr 2003 20:17:01 GMT- From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com> 6 Subject: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles Area> Message-ID: <Xns9359A5A56B1EBkenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241>  F I recieved the folloing email about a position in the Los Angeles, CA D area, which I can not apply for since I live in NJ. :-( The rate is H about $60/hour. The "major entertainment studio" mentioned in the ad is  Sony Entertaintment.  D I've left the contact on the post, but I munged the email address...   Ken Robinson  
      ........   H One of our clients, a major entertainment studio is looking for someone 9 with both VAX/VMS and UNIX system administrative skills. :  / Here is the job description for your reference:u   On the VAX side:  G Understanding of older Vax 4000 platforms desirable and old version of o	 VMS v5.5.   C Installs, tests, analyzes, and provides problem resolution for all 6B hardware and software elements of the data communication network. D Provides technical analysis and monitors all hardware components to C ensure communication facilities are operational at optimum levels, eE tracking throughput and response time of the data network to provide sI maximum availability and critical scheduling of data transfers. Analyzes pG user requests to determine needs, and recommends appropriate equipment dD and software. Makes corrections necessary to communications systems F hardware and software to ensure the availability of the data network. H Proposes solutions to management to provide all the data communications I requirements based upon future needs and current usage, configuring such  G solutions to optimize cost savings. Maintains provisioning, servicing,   and maintenance activities.        = Ability to create and maintain VMS TCP/IP based print queues.8       # Experience Unix System admin side: r  ; Knowledge of VAX, Sun Solaris, Openvms and PC workstations.n  H Other: Experience with VAX FMS and Datatrieve.  Knowledgable with third  party VMS TCP/IP product.0    :        Thanks,    Kerstin Erickson TechLink Resources, Inc. 310.258.8055   kerickson at techlink dot org    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:59:07 GMTn' From: Steve Thompson <smt@vgersoft.com>p: Subject: Re: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles AreaH Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304101657420.17752-100000@vger.vgersoft.com>  # On 10 Apr 2003, Ken Robinson wrote:s  H > I recieved the folloing email about a position in the Los Angeles, CA F > area, which I can not apply for since I live in NJ. :-( The rate is J > about $60/hour. The "major entertainment studio" mentioned in the ad is  > Sony Entertaintment. > [...]   H I think that you must have missed off a multipler there; $60/hour is not# good in East Podunk, never mind LA.:   -s  .   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Apr 2003 21:30:09 GMT- From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com> : Subject: Re: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles Area> Message-ID: <Xns9359B20C28E1Bkenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241>  * Steve Thompson <smt@vgersoft.com> wrote inA news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0304101657420.17752-100000@vger.vgersoft.com:    % > On 10 Apr 2003, Ken Robinson wrote:f > H >> I recieved the folloing email about a position in the Los Angeles, CAG >> area, which I can not apply for since I live in NJ. :-( The rate is _G >> about $60/hour. The "major entertainment studio" mentioned in the ad  >> is Sony Entertaintment. >> [...] > F > I think that you must have missed off a multipler there; $60/hour is) > not good in East Podunk, never mind LA.a >   F Actually, in today's market $60/hour is a pretty good rate even in theF NYC area. Most places that are advertising job won't go much above $40 or $45/hour.    G If you know of any places that are offering more, please let me know...s   Ken    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:30:07 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)A: Subject: Re: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles Area) Message-ID: <3n9hm-jnf.ln1@pez.jarai.com>   H In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304101657420.17752-100000@vger.vgersoft.com>,) Steve Thompson  <smt@vgersoft.com> wrote:t% > On 10 Apr 2003, Ken Robinson wrote:u  J > > I recieved the folloing email about a position in the Los Angeles, CA H > > area, which I can not apply for since I live in NJ. :-( The rate is L > > about $60/hour. The "major entertainment studio" mentioned in the ad is  > > Sony Entertaintment.	 > > [...]t > J > I think that you must have missed off a multipler there; $60/hour is not% > good in East Podunk, never mind LA.   A It sort of depends on the terms of the contract.  At 40hrs/week,  B over a year long period, that's ~$120K/yr.  The cost of living in D L.A. isn't that bad, especially in comparison to the S.F. Bay Area, D NYC, or even Boston.  Sony is a good employer, too; they believe in ? paying you overtime when you have to work more than 40hrs/week.   C Last time I checked, I was pretty sure our economy was neck deep innE recession.  If it's a long term contract, 1-2 yrs, this sounds like aa@ pretty decent gig to me. I'd be surprised if most, or even many,E people were doing better than this at the moment.  Rents in the areast? near Sony's studios run around $1000-$1800/month and are withinI< walking or biking distance of work.  Banks, the post office,A restaurants, and grocery stores are also within a few block area _ of downtown Culver City.   -brian.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:01:08 -0500-1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> : Subject: Re: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles Area' Message-ID: <3E9621E4.5792F801@fsi.net>-   Steve Thompson wrote:- > % > On 10 Apr 2003, Ken Robinson wrote:S > I > > I recieved the folloing email about a position in the Los Angeles, CAmG > > area, which I can not apply for since I live in NJ. :-( The rate is K > > about $60/hour. The "major entertainment studio" mentioned in the ad ism > > Sony Entertaintment.	 > > [...]> > J > I think that you must have missed off a multipler there; $60/hour is not% > good in East Podunk, never mind LA.   < In today's IT climate, that's about as good as it gets, man.   -- 0 David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:30:40 -0500oE From: "David A. Cornelson" <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> H Subject: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around2 Message-ID: <ee6dnQK06sheTwijXTWcqw@speakeasy.net>  I I'm looking for a toy box - for hobby stuff....and hopefully a legitimateaF VMS license with it? Is that asking too much or are licenses something people sell separately?a  > I've heard machines can be found for free or very inexpensive.   ?    David Cs   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 15:58:04 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)1L Subject: Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around3 Message-ID: <EC$ts+IWjyiP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   z In article <ee6dnQK06sheTwijXTWcqw@speakeasy.net>, "David A. Cornelson" <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> writes:K > I'm looking for a toy box - for hobby stuff....and hopefully a legitimate2H > VMS license with it? Is that asking too much or are licenses something > people sell separately?g  D It is illegal for anyone other than HP or an authorized HP dealer to sell a license separately.  @ Some boxes on eBay come with licenses (actually license transfer? paperwork), but most do not, either because it is too much work ? for the seller or because most buyers do not want to pay a $300=
 transfer fee.   B If you don't mind having a license that must be renewed each year,/ free licenses are available for home hobbyists.=  @ > I've heard machines can be found for free or very inexpensive.   That is correct.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:19:42 -0500mE From: "David A. Cornelson" <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com>1L Subject: Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around2 Message-ID: <Lh-dnfcTbuffQwijXTWcpw@speakeasy.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:EC$ts+IWjyiP@eisner.encompasserve.org... I > In article <ee6dnQK06sheTwijXTWcqw@speakeasy.net>, "David A. Cornelson" 2 <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> writes:B > > I'm looking for a toy box - for hobby stuff....and hopefully a
 legitimateJ > > VMS license with it? Is that asking too much or are licenses something > > people sell separately?p >nF > It is illegal for anyone other than HP or an authorized HP dealer to > sell a license separately. >,  J So the $75 for a user group membership and then getting a hobbyist license is the cheapest way to go...  , Okay - still, I'd like to find the hardware.   David Ci   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 00:03:15 GMTr+ From: "Joe Heimann" <heimann@ecs.umass.edu>tL Subject: Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around+ Message-ID: <3e960640@news-1.oit.umass.edu>y  D David A. Cornelson <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> wrote:< > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:EC$ts+IWjyiP@eisner.encompasserve.org... J >> In article <ee6dnQK06sheTwijXTWcqw@speakeasy.net>, "David A. Cornelson"4 > <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> writes:C >> > I'm looking for a toy box - for hobby stuff....and hopefully al > legitimateK >> > VMS license with it? Is that asking too much or are licenses something' >> > people sell separately? >>G >> It is illegal for anyone other than HP or an authorized HP dealer toh >> sell a license separately.  >>  L > So the $75 for a user group membership and then getting a hobbyist license > is the cheapest way to go...  . > Okay - still, I'd like to find the hardware.  C There is a free associate membership which is sufficient to get the C hobbyist licenses.  Sources of cheap or free hardware include eBay,o6 and businesses or schools disposing of older machines.   Joe HeimannE   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:05:08 -0500s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> L Subject: Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around' Message-ID: <3E9622D4.7F0D8DE7@fsi.net>g   "David A. Cornelson" wrote:e > < > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:EC$ts+IWjyiP@eisner.encompasserve.org... K > > In article <ee6dnQK06sheTwijXTWcqw@speakeasy.net>, "David A. Cornelson" 4 > <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> writes:D > > > I'm looking for a toy box - for hobby stuff....and hopefully a > legitimateL > > > VMS license with it? Is that asking too much or are licenses something > > > people sell separately?- > >-H > > It is illegal for anyone other than HP or an authorized HP dealer to > > sell a license separately. > >n > L > So the $75 for a user group membership and then getting a hobbyist license > is the cheapest way to go... > . > Okay - still, I'd like to find the hardware.  G I have some VAXstation 4000/VLCs with 19" monitors, keyboards and mice.-. Cover the shipping, and one or more are yours.  H Be advised, however, that shipping on those 19" monitors is circa. $150.F They weigh a good 90 lbs. The VLC itself would be around $60, I think.   -- h David J. Dachterat dba DJE SystemsO http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:55:23 +0400y2 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@StarLet.SPB.RU>' Subject: Re: wasd http server and cobola- Message-ID: <3E95BE1B.3070009@StarLet.SPB.RU>o   Hi !G 	Read carefuly the WASD docs, this server just fine documented, have a eD look to CGIplus API and PERSONA option in the HTTPD$MAP config file.   Georgi Kozinakov wrote:t: > On my microvax (VMS 7.2.1) is installed WASD web server.2 > There are two programmers working only in Cobol.; > I'd like to enable some of their programs to be installed 9 > permanently and to read/get from a web client, find thes@ > needed data in a RMS indexed file somewhere in the directories= > other than http root (ht_root) and finaly write/post to the.  > client the needed information. > Any ideas?3 > Also, how to set the security of the whole thing?T > 	 > Thanks,  > George >  >      -- f Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+2               Mobile: +7 (812) 116-3222/NMT/IMT-MCB     TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU0                  http://starlet.spb.ru/~laishev/   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 19:33:43 -00006 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>' Subject: Re: wasd http server and cobol 5 Message-ID: <20030410193343.3198.qmail@gacracker.org>i  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. 8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  ; On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Georgi Kozinakov <gk@mt.net.mk> wrote:p9 >On my microvax (VMS 7.2.1) is installed WASD web server.o1 >There are two programmers working only in Cobol.h: >I'd like to enable some of their programs to be installed8 >permanently and to read/get from a web client, find the? >needed data in a RMS indexed file somewhere in the directorieso< >other than http root (ht_root) and finaly write/post to the >client the needed information.h >Any ideas?s  G First make sure you've got a recent version of WASD. There are security  issues with some old versions.  G Your programmers probably don't have to do much to start with basic webrF stuff. If you just treat your program as a CGI, then you write HTML toI SYS$OUTPUT, and read information from the browser via symbols, SYS$INPUT,  or in some cases HTTP$INPUT.  D There's lots of documentation about CGI included with WASD. I'm sureE looking at the DCL procedures which work as scripts would help a lot.   2 >Also, how to set the security of the whole thing?   Carefully. :^}  ; Disallow everything, then open up access a piece at a time.S  J Run your programs under a special user with the bare minimum of privilegesE required to do the job and, if required, set up authentication to getdG access to them. This is all handled in the files pointed to by logicals} starting HTTPD$.     Doc. -- a: Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netw   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 18:48:10 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)' Subject: Re: wasd http server and cobol>= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304101748.6612cdcb@posting.google.com>.  U Georgi Kozinakov <gk@mt.net.mk> wrote in message news:<3E959C87.3070909@mt.net.mk>...>: > On my microvax (VMS 7.2.1) is installed WASD web server.2 > There are two programmers working only in Cobol.; > I'd like to enable some of their programs to be installedt9 > permanently and to read/get from a web client, find the @ > needed data in a RMS indexed file somewhere in the directories= > other than http root (ht_root) and finaly write/post to then  > client the needed information. > Any ideas?3 > Also, how to set the security of the whole thing?  > 	 > Thanks,y > George  ? everyone forgot to tell you about cgi variable parsing/passing!e< Purveyor/Apache have routines that parse cgi variables which7 then can be retrieved the lib$getsymbol dcl command ..."< if you have your dcl front end script parse the cgi varibles< and redirect sys$output/sys$input and then run your exe, the9 exec needs only to retrieve the logicals/symbols and open.: and output channel to TT: and everything else is data with embedded html ...s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 01:58:59 GMT'L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")' Subject: Re: wasd http server and cobol 6 Message-ID: <00A1E31B.B5174CB6@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  i =In article <d7791aa1.0304101748.6612cdcb@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:tV >Georgi Kozinakov <gk@mt.net.mk> wrote in message news:<3E959C87.3070909@mt.net.mk>...; >> On my microvax (VMS 7.2.1) is installed WASD web server.p3 >> There are two programmers working only in Cobol.m< >> I'd like to enable some of their programs to be installed: >> permanently and to read/get from a web client, find theA >> needed data in a RMS indexed file somewhere in the directories0> >> other than http root (ht_root) and finaly write/post to the! >> client the needed information.e
 >> Any ideas?y4 >> Also, how to set the security of the whole thing? >> T
 >> Thanks,	 >> George  >e@ >everyone forgot to tell you about cgi variable parsing/passing!= >Purveyor/Apache have routines that parse cgi variables which 8 >then can be retrieved the lib$getsymbol dcl command ...= >if you have your dcl front end script parse the cgi variblese= >and redirect sys$output/sys$input and then run your exe, thea: >exec needs only to retrieve the logicals/symbols and open; >and output channel to TT: and everything else is data witht >embedded html ...  F I actually agree 100% with Bob here.   I'll only add that OSU and WASDF have the same support.  (I'm not sure about that channel to TT: ratherI than SYS$OUTPUT, but that's also fixable in a DCL wrapper for a program.)    -- Alan) --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056lM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025dO ===============================================================================j   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:47:37 +0000 (UTC)s3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>rX Subject: Why did Digital go broke? (Was: Re: VMS Source Listing CD - Table of contents?)0 Message-ID: <b74hol$l08$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  	 Hi Brian,'  K > Let me know if you really need the argument calling format (that ought too be. > worth a fortnight stay in a public house ;).  I I've got three different people over here, who swear that they've got oneiL somewhere, going through their basements and attics as we speak. How much do they cost these days?   H But to answer your question directly - "Yes please! I really do need the argument calling format."e  I It's a *very* long story (I'll attach some of it at the end of this note)nK but to cut a long story short VMS engineering are treating me like shit andlL refusing to even countenance the idea of fixing a bug with $getdti that willL allow me to bring some much needed functionality to VMS that will enable anyL application written with *any* middleware to obtain bullet-proof 2PC bewteenH Windows2000 MTS/DTC and VMS DECdtm, TIER3 hotTIP and (Rdb, DBMS, RMS) or* other RM like Oracle 9i via the XA veneer.  F So I'm trying to bypass the snootiness of VMS engineering by hopefullyJ calling the API that LMCP uses to access the DECdtm log file directly. (ie4 *not* $getdti) My best guess is the LM$SS* routines.  L Now while I'm more than happy to pay up (as long as I can QA the payment :-)L and I'm also happy to take advantage of your kind offer, I have to point outI that this will not be a 15 minute job. So I won't feel bad if you have to  decline.  G I need the argument formats and passing mechanisms and lm$ssread_by_tid0J should be asynchronous (or have an async form) and there should be a macroF (that I couldn't find) for the record layout that looks something like this:-  > LMCP> dump/active SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYSTEM$TIER3.LM$JOURNAL;1) ****HEADER BLOCK? Block 1? Block ALQ?****%D Dump of transaction log SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYSTEM$TIER3.LM$JOURNAL;1% End of file block 402 / Allocated 402c Log Version 1.0(; Transaction log UID:   33595820-07D8-11D3-947E-08002B9AA3FC , Penultimate Checkpoint:    000000018A39 0039, Last Checkpoint:           000000018E78 0078 ****BY TID STUFF****  Transaction state (1):  PREPAREDA Transaction ID: BF73B3A0-4DB1-11D7-A016-08002B9AA3FC ( 3-MAR-2003t 19:53:04.73) DECdtm Services Log Format V1.1mH Type ( 3): LOCAL RM         Log ID: 0000011F-0001-0000-0000-000000000000- Name (32): "Y..USER_DISK   ...G............."<D      (00000000 00010001 00000005 02470000 00202020 4B534944 5F524553	 550200DD)BH Type ( 5): FOREIGN TM       Log ID: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 Name (111):dL "T3$Exceptionally_Large_string_name_geater_than_32_characters***************% ************************************"oK      (2A2A2A 2A2A2A2A 2A2A2A2A 2A2A2A2A 2A2A2A2A 2A2A2A2A 2A2A2A2A 2A2A2A2Al8 2A2A2A2A 2A2A2A2A 2A2A2A2A 2A2A2A2A 2A2A2A2A 73726574 63E 617261 68635F32 335F6E61 68745F72 65746165 675F656D 616E5F67 6E697274u5 735F6567 72614C5F 796C6C61 6E6F6974 70656378 45243354d  ; Total of 1 transactions active, 1 prepared and 0 committed.   L As I said, it's probably not gonna be that easy to glean but if you can helpC at all that would be great. But if not I still owe you those beers!c   Cheers Richard  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A1E0C6.53836E81@SendSpamHere.ORG...A > In article <b6socc$j7a$1@titan.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" % <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:t > >Hi Brian, > >h > >Thanks very much for that!e > >b8 > >More than happy to pay up next time you're over here. > >P > >Cheers Richard. >eJ > Marillion are planning a world tour next year which will likely rule out thenI > yearly weekend convention in 2004, so I might not be able to collect myu com- > pensation until 2005. :) >}K > Let me know if you really need the argument calling format (that ought to} be. > worth a fortnight stay in a public house ;). >i >y > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >f6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >e   The story thus far:-     ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard's Hotmaili To: oraclerdb@jcc.comv' Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:29 PMo, Subject: Another 2PC bug - I need your help!     Hi,u  H [I'm probably not best known for singing the praises of Rdb engineers inG this forum (although I hope my devotion to, and awe of, the product hasfI never been brought into question) so I'd just like to take this moment tohH say thanks to those engineers who in recent months have responded to theJ bugs (or queries) I have highlighted here. Sometimes they responded with aL fix but almost always with an investigation and for that I am very grateful!J My problem is that I have always taken this for granted. Assuming that theK bugs that affect me were the most important and that I was in a position totK demand engineering resources be immediately made available due to the sheeroH righteousness of my cause. (As if they'd have anything more important toD do?) But that's enough gushing for this year. Back to the plot. . .]  G This is not a bug that Rdb engineering can fix (so the above was not an I attempt to curry favour) but please read on anyway so that one of you outOI there with a VMS support agreement may see my frustration levels peaking,bJ take pity on me and raise an IPMT. (I assume that acronym is not a wind up? and refers to some form you have to fill in to raise a VMS bug)s  , SYS$GETDTIW - The root cause of the problem.  D In the output "itmlst" argument of a successful call to $getdti, the9 dti$b_part_name_len and the dti$t_part_name fields of thetL dti$_transaction_information record are populated *NOT* with the values thatH have been retrieved from the DECdtm log file but instead with the values7 that were specified for their counterparts in the inputn; dti$_search_resolved_state record of the "search" argument.a  D When I call this service I specify "T3$" as the first three wildcardJ characters of my participant name because I'm only interested in TIER3 TIPG transactions. The problem is that I *need* to see the other 29 bytes of J lovely participant name info. Once again, If I only specify three bytes asH input then I only get three bytes output regardless of the fact that the1 participant name is 26 bytes long. THIS IS A BUG!   H What the system service documentation says for these two output fields:-  A DTI$B_PART_NAME_LEN A byte containing the length of the following ( participant name field  DTI$T_PART_NAME.K DTI$T_PART_NAME A character field containing DTI$B_PART_NAME_LEN characters + that specifies a resource manager instance.r  I Now sys$getdtiw lives in sys$share:dti$share.exe so as far as patches go,tL what could be easier than "Anyone who wants TIP functionality has to installL a new version of this shareable." Rdb engineering doesn't put anything otherG than the facility code in the participant name so they shouldn't have aiJ problem with regression testing. Can anyone honestly conceive of an easier VMS bug to fix or release?  H Why do I need this? (and why you should be interested!) - *NO ADDITIONALK LOG/JOURNAL FILE* required for TIP functionality! Unlike the XA Gateway youeE would not have to configure and manage another journal file and *mostkL importantly* (given read-check and write-check) you'd be saving four I/O perG transaction. How do I achieve this minor miracle? Well, part of the TIPeJ standard stipulates that if the link to the MTS/DTC coordinator dies afterJ TIER3 and Rdb have prepared a 2PC txn (and the outcome of that transactionH was abort) then MTS/DTC is under no obligation to get back in touch withL TIER3's TIP Transaction Manager and tell us. Therefore, I have to attempt toI contact MTS/DTC periodically until a connection can be re-established. IfaL W2K no longer knows about the transaction then the outcome was Abort, else IJ have to wait for the transaction to be reconnected. With "T3$" + OleTxId(1I byte) + Binary MTS TID (16 Bytes) + IP Addr(4 bytes) + Port# (2 bytes) weaJ have plenty of change left over from 32 bytes. (probably enough to stretch to IPv6)  J You're right. It *is* bloody clever! The one snag at the moment is that it just doesn't work :-)s  G So it was at this point that I approached VMS engineering with the same@K gusto and zeal that you've all become accustomed to, only to have them look J at me like I was a skid-mark on a hotel towel, and send me on my way. WhatJ would you expect? After all I am self-funding and developing software *on*L VMS exclusively *for* VMS. They must have thought I was some sort of nutter!  ; So do I spend the next few weeks implementing and testing alJ Prepared-Transactions journal or just go into Beta with my software in theL hope that someone has to see sense sooner or later? Or is it too late and noL one really cares anymore? (Everything else is fully tested and ready to go!)   Regards Richard Maher.  I FYI. There is latent support in DECdtm, and the log file, for participantdJ names greater than 32 bytes. See example below. (Maybe even enough for the XA_SWITCH structure?).  J If someone has the VMS source listing CD (and $getdti is on it) could theyI check if there is an alternative to dti$_search_resolved_state that mighteG return the *full* participant name with the current version of $getdti?hJ Please? The $dtidef macro mentions dti$_search_td and dti$_search_rm_name.7 If these functions are active, what are the parameters?m  I I think a new item code would be very desirable but if I can't even get a)$ bug fixed then it's just fantasy :-(     ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Lastovica To: oraclerdb@jcc.come' Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:07 PMh0 Subject: RE: Another 2PC bug - I need your help!    J I've entered a PTR for OpenVMS.  I hope that this was to be reported based) on VMS V7.3-1 with all patches installed.h   ----- Original Message -----4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>! To: oraclerdb <oraclerdb@jcc.com> ' Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 1:05 AM 1 Subject: SYS$GETDTI return field lengths and datar    2 > The PTR that I entered for OpenVMS in regards to0 > Richard's observations about the functionality0 > and behavior of the $GETDTI system service has: > been closed.  Here is the text from OpenVMS engineering.4 > If anyone would like this to behave in a different6 > fashion, I'm afraid that you'll need to get in touch: > with  HP directly and make your business case with them. >i > Dialog text: >eF > I have researched the code and determined that this behavior is veryJ > deliberate; the code was designed to do this, it is not a bug. Since theK > original designers/coders are no longer available, why this functionalityc > was J > designed like this cannot be answered. I am closing this because it is aH > request for an enhancement, which may be considered for inclusion in a lateri
 > release. >eL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --$ > Problem attributes for 75-13-1038:7 >    Abstract: SYS$GETDTI return field lengths and datau= >    Severity:     MED       Status: CL        Resolution: UI0= >    Problem type: QAR       Origin: WEB       Workaround: No = >    Reproducible: Yes       Public: Yes       Waiting:    No-) >    Submitted on 26-MAR-2003 08:52:54.20i- >    Last modified on 26-MAR-2003 15:03:01.50y >    Domain:  OPENVMSX >    Folder:  PRIOR_RELEASES >    Product: OPENVMS6 >    Version: V7.3-1 >    Component:    DDTM  >    Architecture: ALPHA >    Number of attachments: 0  >a > Notification Events: >    Problem report is closed> >s >t   ----- Original Message -----. From: Richard's Hotmail <maher_rj@hotmail.com> To: <oraclerdb@jcc.com>e$ Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:42 PMI Subject: Brigadoon Syndrome (Was: Re: SYS$GETDTI return field lengths andm data)z    
 > Hi Norm, >pJ > For a fleeting moment there the world was on my side and people listened to,pK > and agreed with, what I was saying and offers of assistance were arriving F > with the bouquets. Oh well, it was magical while it lasted. Maybe in another5 > hundred years eh?  >s+ > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 1:05 AM3 > F > Thanks again for that! (And if anyone ever says that you hate DECdtm around > me, I'll fight 'em :-) >s6 > > If anyone would like this to behave in a different8 > > fashion, I'm afraid that you'll need to get in touch< > > with  HP directly and make your business case with them. > I > Ah, that famous Norman "Pit Bull" Lastovica tenacity that I've heard soa muchG > about. As long as you didn't give up without a fight, that's the main- thing! >-+ > >    Submitted on 26-MAR-2003 08:52:54.20 / > >    Last modified on 26-MAR-2003 15:03:01.50m >>I > See? That's exactly the look I was telling you about! (And then the PTRm wase0 > sat on for a couple of days for good measure?) >hH > > I have researched the code and determined that this behavior is veryB > > deliberate; the code was designed to do this, it is not a bug. > ; > Sorry? You WHAT? Let me just pause for a moment.  .  .  .  >eH > > I have researched the code and determined that this behavior is veryB > > deliberate; the code was designed to do this, it is not a bug. >r) > Nope, that's definitely what she wrote.n >wF > I am familiar with the concepts of "My Country, Right or Wrong!" and "PapalE > Infallibility" but this is the first time that I've come across the  argumentJ > "It's not a bug, because we all thought it was a bloody good idea at theK > time!". Let that be a lesson to all the kiddies out there. If your reallyrL > gonna stuff things up then as long as you do it with conviction everything > will be all right. >aJ > (Blown the budgie's head off with Dad's gun? "Did you do it deliberately3 > son?" "Sure did Ma!" "That's ok then. Run along.)  >hJ > "Oh it's so easy for Mr. Maher to turn up with his revisionist year 2003K > morality and try and pigeon hole what we did with judgemental labels such  asH > "BUGS" but in the heat of coding it's not always as simple as right orK > wrong, black or white. We've lost some good men and women since this codeaJ > was written and I for one am not about to try and second guess what theyI > were thinking when they pulled the trigger. So Maher can take his 20/20t$ > hindsight and shove it I tell ya!" >e > Why did Digital go broke?m >aG > Anyway let's leave the Twilight Zone for a moment and get back to the_ plot._ > . ._ > I > I  fear  I've muddied the waters somewhat by telling everyone when, whyr andtH > what  I  want to store in the participant name. So can we please leave thatF > to  one  side  for  a  minute  and  look specifically at the $getdti system4 > service,  and  its  documentation,  in  isolation? >B8 > Here is a snippet from the documentation for the inputD > dti$_search_resolved_state record for the "search" argument to the > sys$getdti service: -i >i1 > | DTI$T_PART_NAME  A character field containinge4 > | DTI$B_PART_NAME_LEN characters that specifies  |4 > | a resource manager name. When the resource     |4 > | manager name string is supplied, a wildcard    |* > | search can be specified. The left-most4 > | characters supplied in this string will be     |4 > | matched against all resource managers with the |4 > | same leftmost characters. If the string        |4 > | entered has a length of 0, all resource        | > | managers will be selected. > L > If I am writing a transaction reporting tool (or an unresolved transactionG > repair utility (or whatever you choose)) please tell me exactly HOW I K > obtain the participant name to show the user so that they can investigatecJ > whether or not to commit or abort? If, just like the above documentationG > suggested, I have entered a length of 0 (so I can select ALL resourceiI > managers) then HOW can I tell which ones I've selected? Maybe I want tooL > sort on participant name and do a level break with a transaction count for% > each facility. HOW would I do that?  >tJ > If I want to retrieve all Rdb and RMS transactions I will enter "R" as aK > wildcard participant name and set the length field to 1. HOW do I tell ife- > the transaction returned is for Rdb or RMS?u >eJ > What if my software is multi-version (like Rdb) and there is a change inJ > behaviour regarding how my software deals with transactions between V1.0L > and V2.0? I could set up participant names of fac$v10 and fac$v20 and whenK > I'm doing a $getdti I can use its lovely wildcard functionality to lookup E > just fac$ and then I can choose a code path based on whether it's ar version 2 > 1.0 or 2.0 transaction. Sounds good! Doesn't it? > I > Please tell me "What is the point of wild carding if there is no way too > obtain the resultant name???"- >-D > Imagine a database where you can select all employees with surname startingH > with 'SM'. The problem here is this RDBMS may well return 100 rows butL > instead of getting a list of surnames like SMITH and SMYTHE you are simply  > told that there all called SM. >iL > If you look at the latest version of the DECdtm Manual as recently revisedD > (from  the  old  V1.2  Functional  Spec)  by Jim Johnson's crew at SoftwareG > Exploration (or the VMS documentation web site) you can see that theymE > deliberately changed  the  documentation for the PART_NAME argumentr? > to both the $JOIN_RM and  $DECLARE_RM system services to read.B > "The string must be no longer than 32 characters" down from 256. > (See comments fo 6-Jun-01) >oG > I  can  live  with this limit of 32 bytes; please tell me that it wasa nevergI > their  intention  for  the  participant  name to be a Write Once - Read< Zero > construct. >  > Cheers Richard Maher.0 >1L > PS. Has anyone ever seen Ian Smith and Carey Donat in the same room at theI > same time? (See, I just don't make any friends with comments like that!l ButA& > hands up anyone who didn't smile :-) >I   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2003 11:18:58 -0700' From: Doran167W@aol.com (Doran Werling) # Subject: Re: Your opinion requested = Message-ID: <d7aafdca.0304101018.78d64d52@posting.google.com>u  t VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> wrote in message news:<BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BE7@rlghncst964.usps.gov>...2 > I hope everybody's sending their comments to the' > ODLwhatevertheaddresswas at HPdotCOM.  > 	 > I did.   > 8 > Judging from the responses in the newsgroup, nobody's ) > mentioned one thing (see **) about BNU:  >  > begin response:2 > ; > BNU never has worked as well as Bookreader in my opinion.j > E > **One *big* problem with BNU is that it has the built-in limitationj= >   of only being able to access one docset per installation.2 > L >   In other words, if you install it to read VMS 7.2-1 docs (or Tru64), andK >   then install VMS 7.3 docs, you can't read the 7.2-1 docs (or Tru64) anyu > more.i > < > Work around this showstopper and you might have something. > A > I happened to place a call asking about this earlier this week:r >  > ref: NA030407xxxxxx. >  > end response:y > 
 > Regards, >  >  > WWWebb > ========================" > William W. Webb - EMS Operations+ > OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annex . > 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874  @ > 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>      
 William:    C     I was able to configure BNU to access multiple libraries. To doa	 this , goYD to SYS$COMMON:[DECW$DEFAULTS.USER] and edit the file BNU.DAT. At the2 bottom of this file you will find this catagory ..   !eF ! Location of default library and viewers (filled in by installation). !n BnuLibrary.library:             * SYS$COMMON:[DECW$DEFAULTS.USER]LIBRARY.ODL1 BnuLibrary.AXPDOCMAR001:        DISK$AXPDOCMAR001v1 BnuLibrary.AXPDOCMAR002:        DISK$AXPDOCMAR002 1 BnuLibrary.VAXDOCDEC981:        DISK$VAXDOCDEC981u1 BnuLibrary.VAXDOCDEC982:        DISK$VAXDOCDEC982   C The DISK$xxx are logical names that reference the documentation CDsg located on  our infoserver.   F Next, edit the file LIBRARY.ODL. This will determine how the main menu2 looks when you start BNU.  Mine looks like this ..  , Title   Doran's Online Documentation LibraryD shelf   /DISK$AXPDOCMAR001/000000/contents.odl  OpenVMS ALPHA Online" Documentation Library (March 1999)E shelf   /DISK$VAXDOCDEC981/000000/contents.odl  OpenVMS VAX    Onlineo  Documentation Library (Dec 1998)   Hope this helps.   Doran Werling  Automation Engineera RW/SCS Inc.    ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:17:43 +0200 (CEST)9 From: Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker <levitte@openssl.org>t6 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OpenSSL 0.9.7b and 0.9.6j released: Message-ID: <20030410.231743.87997703.levitte@openssl.org>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----    ,   OpenSSL version 0.9.7b and 0.9.6j releasedK   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 6 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  /   OpenSSL - The Open Source toolkit for SSL/TLS-   http://www.openssl.org/1  @   The OpenSSL project team is pleased to announce the release ofB   version 0.9.7b of our open source toolkit for SSL/TLS.  This newC   OpenSSL version is a security and bugfix release and incorporatessE   at least 7 changes and bugfixes to the toolkit (for a complete lista0   see http://www.openssl.org/source/exp/CHANGES.  D   We also release 0.9.6j, which contains the same security bugfix as:   0.9.7b and a few more small bugfixes compared to 0.9.6i.  #   The most significant changes are:-  ;     o Security: counter the Klima-Pokorny-Rosa extension ofmJ       Bleichbacher's attack                                   [0.9.7b & 0= 9.6j] J     o Security: make RSA blinding default.                    [0.9.7b & 0= 9.6j]tJ     o Configuration: Irix fixes, AIX fixes, better mingw support.      [0= 9.7b]sJ     o Support for new platforms: linux-ia64-ecc.                       [0= 9.7b]aJ     o Build: shared library support fixes.                    [0.9.7b & 0= 9.6j]iJ     o ASN.1: treat domainComponent correctly.                          [0= 9.7b] J     o Documentation: fixes and additions.                              [0= 9.7b]c  H   We consider OpenSSL 0.9.7b to be the best version of OpenSSL availableC   and we strongly recommend that users of older versions upgrade asyF   soon as possible.  OpenSSL 0.9.7b is available for download via HTTPG   and FTP from the following master locations (you can find the various ?   FTP mirrors under http://www.openssl.org/source/mirror.html):e  $     o http://www.openssl.org/source/#     o ftp://ftp.openssl.org/source/   F   For those who want or have to stay with the 0.9.6 series of OpenSSL,E   we strongly recommend that you upgrade to OpenSSL 0.9.6j as soon asA;   possible.  It's available in the same location as 0.9.7b.-      The distribution file name is:  $     o openssl-0.9.7b.tar.gz [normal]4       MD5 checksum: fae4bec090fa78e20f09d76d55b6ccff$     o openssl-0.9.6j.tar.gz [normal]4       MD5 checksum: 52ea996e52bcea5120f193f51469bbb1+     o openssl-engine-0.9.6j.tar.gz [engine]i4       MD5 checksum: beae194a369a74de18b4c3472a1d1abe  <   The checksums were calculated using the following command:  '     openssl md5 < openssl-0.9.7b.tar.gz '     openssl md5 < openssl-0.9.6j.tar.gz .     openssl md5 < openssl-engine-0.9.6j.tar.gz     Yours,!   The OpenSSL Project Team... =20,  =     Mark J. Cox             Ben Laurie          Andy Polyakovb<     Ralf S. Engelschall     Richard Levitte     Geoff Thorpe)     Dr. Stephen Henson      Bodo M=F6ller *     Lutz J=E4nicke            Ulf M=F6ller -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----m! Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux)e  @ iQEVAwUBPpXfCvTy7ZjgbSyxAQFpnggAhOTlLGim99JrCRpm+CLLhk0gO7/ggAK6@ qZJRTxP7iWep/rwJHzrkes6xT2Q7RU5uycuk5zS2scFL9nFNbaMgUGHPkqWuXgbZ@ +xEUFjOJNSKB5UiX2qyB990vv+YtJUQqc2Xiy/6F5plTK9x60EDocOYd8R8tZtbu@ yoHYFakUuPGMosn7xN6y0wJbUpmXNy6ilvpUXI/4fonLaY9NLeP02bHwxV48iQ+O@ m6/WnAkcrK2pnrlPkVoGNXhXR8jirlCGCn3TAVCyfdQKTIrBqGHpqH0EunC+N1++< 7qNbnOGi8HADNj6DJMfcqVp28j8bVpmNhLjBJnd2RU17glXT/jTmOA=3D=3D =3DDCjrc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----->   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.199 ************************