1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 11 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 200       Contents:' Re: Another day without VMS advertising 5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately! 5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately! 5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately! 5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately! 5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately! 5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: Changing the CPU ID  Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit  Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit  Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit  Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit  Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit  Re: COV Sponsors- Re: DecServer 700 and UCX 4.2 with bootp/tftp - Re: DecServer 700 and UCX 4.2 with bootp/tftp ( Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected, Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected, Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected, Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected( Email to Michael.Kier@hp.com is rejected0 Hewlett-Packard First in Online Customer Respect HP, P&G, Ericsson / Re: Is DCPS 2.2 for AXP available for download? / Re: Is DCPS 2.2 for AXP available for download? ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field  looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar 1 OpenVMS Hobbyist licensing - what is it all about 5 Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licensing - what is it all about ; Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /page ! Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V0300 " Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP Serial connection to VAX/ Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...  Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? RE: VAX 4000/100 or is it? Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?% Re: VAX hardware support alternatives % Re: VAX hardware support alternatives  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences - VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report ! VMS and Oracle 8.1.7 RMAN problem 1 Re: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles Area C VMS Engineering quality standards, was: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN C Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around C Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around C Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around  Re: wasd http server and cobol  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 10:24:56 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertising= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304110924.604723a5@posting.google.com>   r "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<7Lija.37941$pNv.9850@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...L > HP says applications sells systems. Cool. But how many stock exchanges are9 > there in the world that OM Group can sell to? 150 or so   D OM's software is used for a variety of different types of exchanges:D stocks, options, bonds, power, currency, commodities, etc.  So their? market is bigger than just stock exchanges.  A few years ago, I E believe they had 180 installations, and I hear about new ones all the + time, so I'm sure the number is higher now.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 05:53:52 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) > Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0304110313.1b6ed27a@posting.google.com>   < To all who are concerned about the use of the word "legacy":  F In the Conference Program Committee we have kind of agreed to disagree about this.   E The word "legacy" is used without any negative intention and based on @ what the word actually means in the Industry: older systems with limited industry support.   A In the brochure we do not mean to denote anything from Digital as F legacy, in the sense of obsolete. On the contrary: we encourage anyoneD who has an interest in any of the older Digital technologies to comeF to Amsterdam and talk about those technologies! The term has been used5 to emphasize that we consider these topics important.   D That being said, I believe that we better avoid using this word nextD year. Next year somebody might start using it for the HP 3000 family9 of systems and who knows what trouble that might give us!   $ I hope to meet you all in Amsterdam!  A Would it be a good idea to organize a BOF session for comp.os.vms , denizens? Just to meet each other in person?  
 Kind regards,   	 Bart Zorn     j Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) wrote in message news:<a98cd882.0304100719.10dd98fa@posting.google.com>...D > I feel VERY uncomfortable about this. I am a member of the programC > committee for this conference and I have not been able to prevent E > this. In fact, the word "legacy" is not in the draft version that I B > have right here on my desk. It has been put in at a later stage. > F > I feel much the same way as Phillip expresses in his article. I willH > discuss this in the committe, but the harm has been done. If something4 > comes out of that discussion, I will let you know. > 
 > Regards, >  > Bart Zorn  > ~ > Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KUK6TWW7GIA9NUCE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...H > > I received a brochure with the programme, registration form etc for 2 > > Interex in Amsterdam.  On page 2 one can read: > > F > >    ...the...Conference...provides the ideal platform for users of H > >    pre-merger HP and Compaq products and services (including legacy  > >    DIGITAL systems)... > >        [  Snip  ]   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:05:18 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> > Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!; Message-ID: <01KULSPYKAMQA9QUZV@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   G > The word "legacy" is used without any negative intention and based on B > what the word actually means in the Industry: older systems with > limited industry support.   
 OK, but...  C > In the brochure we do not mean to denote anything from Digital as H > legacy, in the sense of obsolete. On the contrary: we encourage anyoneF > who has an interest in any of the older Digital technologies to comeH > to Amsterdam and talk about those technologies! The term has been used7 > to emphasize that we consider these topics important.  > F > That being said, I believe that we better avoid using this word nextF > year. Next year somebody might start using it for the HP 3000 family; > of systems and who knows what trouble that might give us!   F ..what jumped out at me was that ONLY the Digital stuff was denoted asB "legacy".  In the sense mentioned above, this would apply to other/ pre-merger products from Compaq and HP as well.   H Of course, if you intended to say that Digital stuff is more important, / I could think of a better way to say that.  :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:17:29 +0100 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> > Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!? Message-ID: <53937ce14b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   < In message <a98cd882.0304110313.1b6ed27a@posting.google.com>0           Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) wrote:  > > To all who are concerned about the use of the word "legacy": > H > In the Conference Program Committee we have kind of agreed to disagree
 > about this.  > G > The word "legacy" is used without any negative intention and based on B > what the word actually means in the Industry: older systems with > limited industry support.   J Unfortunately that isn't how potential customers read it - they read it as "avoid at all costs".    > C > In the brochure we do not mean to denote anything from Digital as H > legacy, in the sense of obsolete. On the contrary: we encourage anyoneF > who has an interest in any of the older Digital technologies to comeH > to Amsterdam and talk about those technologies! The term has been used7 > to emphasize that we consider these topics important.  > F > That being said, I believe that we better avoid using this word nextF > year. Next year somebody might start using it for the HP 3000 family; > of systems and who knows what trouble that might give us!  > & > I hope to meet you all in Amsterdam! > C > Would it be a good idea to organize a BOF session for comp.os.vms . > denizens? Just to meet each other in person?  I I'd love to. Sadly, as an out-of-work VMS manager and current hobbyist, I J can't justify the fees to attend the conference. The flight from the UK is cheap, the fees aren't.   7 How about a hobbyist rate for the conference in future?    Alan         [  Snip  ]   --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 08:32:11 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!3 Message-ID: <lksun+e3fWqb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   { In article <53937ce14b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > > In message <a98cd882.0304110313.1b6ed27a@posting.google.com>2 >           Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) wrote:  D >> Would it be a good idea to organize a BOF session for comp.os.vms/ >> denizens? Just to meet each other in person?  > K > I'd love to. Sadly, as an out-of-work VMS manager and current hobbyist, I L > can't justify the fees to attend the conference. The flight from the UK is > cheap, the fees aren't.  > 9 > How about a hobbyist rate for the conference in future?   ? The VMS Hobbyist license (non-)pricing depends on the fact that > "production cost" for licenses is negligible.  That is not the> case for conference registration.  Each additional participant takes up more space.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 09:53:07 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) > Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304110853.30d0c66c@posting.google.com>    Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<53937ce14b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>...9 > How about a hobbyist rate for the conference in future?   > While I think that's a great idea, another way to mitigate the? registration costs is to participate as a speaker, either for a # session or a pre-symposium seminar.    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2003 17:50:08 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)> Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!5 Message-ID: <b76v8g$bitfs$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   E In article <I7Dla.2047$BQi.594@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, & 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > H >                many (not all) conventions/user groups offer .edu types! > significant discounts on fees.    D I have never seen a conference that offered discounts to .edu types.B That's why I don't get to go any more.  The University isn't about0 to shell out the kind of money they get anymore.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:39:30 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU ID0 Message-ID: <00A1E3AF.DDFFDD95@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <00A1E2FD.C7D234FD@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: [ >In article <3E954705.23437.16AF23@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes: F >>>    I'm not sure DELTA has write access to this?  Did you use the W >>>    command?  >>H >>Entering "W" causes the wonderful "EH?" message.  Regardless, I'm now B >>correctly entering the value -- it stays set.  But the F$GETSYI  >>doesn't change.  >>8 >>Anyone have any source listings?  I can't find mine... >>N >>>    if the page is writeable simply write a routine to CMKRNL and write it. >> >>That's my eventual plan. > M >Since this value is extracted by $GETSYI from the PR$_SID internal processor M >register, writing a "simple" write routine will not change anything.  I have M >decided that I needed a little "diversion" today so I'm writing you a LEI to M >modify the $GETSYI behaviour.  I'll work some more on it later.  Right now I * >have to take my son to baseball practice.  M I've been busy this morning with things that actually pay the bills and email  problems with hp.com.   L Here is the simple ditty to feign the CPU type such that $GETSYI will returnM the code for some other system type.  The code currently makes the system re- C turn a VAX 11/780 CPU type.   http://www.tmesis.com/feign_cpu_type/   L I'd post it in VMSnet.Internals but that newsgroup is being polluted by some( morons posting yEnc DIVX movie binaries.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:42:14 GMT   From: Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com>  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU IDL Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304111032180.12798-100000@localhost.localdomain>  - On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Stanley F. Quayle wrote:   D > > Isn't this a function that the emulator should do?  VMS gets the? > > CPU ID from some particular register (if I understood Brian B > > correctly).  Charon ought to set that register up according to5 > > some setting in your emulator configuration file.  > E > That would break the emulation of the VAX processor, which has been = > certified by HP as identical to a real VAX, instruction for  > instruction.  $ Obviously I don't understand things.  C What is a CPU ID?  I am guessing that it is a unique identification C number -- no two VAXes in the world have the same one -- so that an @ evil application can make sure that you don't run on a different7 machine than you originally licensed.  Is this correct?   C My second guess is that it might identify a type of CPU, so that an @ evil application could refuse to run on a VAX 4000 if originally2 licensed on a MicroVAX II.  How am I doing so far?  = > certified by HP as identical to a real VAX, instruction for  > instruction.  C Which real VAX does Charon emulate, and which is it certified to be = identical to?  My understanding (probably also wrong given my F understanding of the problem) is that parts of the VAX instruction set; are optional and are not implemented by all VAX processors.   @ > A couple of people have suggested that I hack the application,2 > rather than VMS.  I'm researching that avenue...   Possibly a better approach...      --    / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com A G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)4                                  (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:20:40 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU ID- Message-ID: <3E96C128.30803.C5B49E@localhost>   E > My second guess is that it might identify a type of CPU, so that an B > evil application could refuse to run on a VAX 4000 if originally4 > licensed on a MicroVAX II.  How am I doing so far?   Right.  E > Which real VAX does Charon emulate, and which is it certified to be  > identical to?   B MicroVAX II, MicroVAX II+, VAX 3500, VAX 3600, VAX 3100 Model 98, : depending on the product version and a configuration file.  1 >  My understanding (probably also wrong given my H > understanding of the problem) is that parts of the VAX instruction set= > are optional and are not implemented by all VAX processors.   E VMS detects this and emulates the missing instructions.  The VAX 3500 > emulation is noticeably faster than the MicroVAX II emulation 3 (because VMS is emulating inside the emulated VAX).   B > > A couple of people have suggested that I hack the application,4 > > rather than VMS.  I'm researching that avenue... > Possibly a better approach...   1 Less general-purpose, but it should be effective.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 17:06:39 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Changing the CPU ID0 Message-ID: <00A1E3B3.A8CC9BA3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304111032180.12798-100000@localhost.localdomain>, Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com> writes: . >On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Stanley F. Quayle wrote: > E >> > Isn't this a function that the emulator should do?  VMS gets the @ >> > CPU ID from some particular register (if I understood BrianC >> > correctly).  Charon ought to set that register up according to 6 >> > some setting in your emulator configuration file. >>  F >> That would break the emulation of the VAX processor, which has been> >> certified by HP as identical to a real VAX, instruction for >> instruction.  > % >Obviously I don't understand things.  > D >What is a CPU ID?  I am guessing that it is a unique identificationD >number -- no two VAXes in the world have the same one -- so that anA >evil application can make sure that you don't run on a different 8 >machine than you originally licensed.  Is this correct?  B Used to be correct.  The 11/78x series had a serial number as well@ as a type identifier.  Bit 0-11 held a serial number, 12-14 heldA a mfg. plant code, 15-22 were ECO level, 23 (0=780/1=785) and the 2 upper bits 24-32 (one byte) contained the value 1.  A Later VAX contained a unique type code in the upper byte and bits A of information such as firmware revs, ECOs, etc. but no serial #.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:51:11 -0400 , From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <abuse@example.com>$ Subject: Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit) Message-ID: <b76con$jqq8@ncsftp.dana.com>   5 "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message & news:3E9589FF.1099.82923A@localhost...K > > Don't see a dowload for this on their site. Anyone know where I can get  a  > > copy for W2K.  > F > Sorry -- a few rotten eggs ruined the whole deal.  There are several@ > commercial installations running the Hobbyist version.  So, no > downloads.  K I can't imagine how they ever got it running. Wouldn't work on any test box  I tried.  
 Good luck.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:45:15 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> $ Subject: Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit; Message-ID: <01KULUDJ8XY0A9QUZV@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   F > > > Don't see a dowload for this on their site. Anyone know where I  > > > can get a copy for W2K.  > > H > > Sorry -- a few rotten eggs ruined the whole deal.  There are severalB > > commercial installations running the Hobbyist version.  So, no > > downloads. > M > I can't imagine how they ever got it running. Wouldn't work on any test box 
 > I tried.  I IIRC, not only did someone manage to get a hobbyist license running on a  H commercial system, but they made their knowledge public.  Personally, I D don't blame Charon at all for pulling the plug.  Sure, it hurts the 3 honest hobbyist, but they've no OBLIGATION to them.   G There is a similar problem in the music industry as a result of piracy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 06:48:10 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> $ Subject: Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit' Message-ID: <3E96C79A.6040902@MMaz.com>    Stephen Eickhoff wrote:   6 >"Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message' >news:3E9589FF.1099.82923A@localhost...  >    > J >>>Don't see a dowload for this on their site. Anyone know where I can get	 >>>        >>>  >a >    >  >>>copy for W2K.	 >>>        >>> F >>Sorry -- a few rotten eggs ruined the whole deal.  There are several@ >>commercial installations running the Hobbyist version.  So, no >>downloads. >>     >> > L >I can't imagine how they ever got it running. Wouldn't work on any test box	 >I tried.  >  >    > E Must not have tried too hard, I managed to get PicoVAX to work on my  F laptop without any problems...  My only challenge was that it did not E include network support, had too little memory, and was slow, so the  F only thing it did allow me to do was access VMS while I was flying :-)   Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2003 14:10:41 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)$ Subject: Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit5 Message-ID: <b76id1$bfdcf$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   ; In article <01KULUDJ8XY0A9QUZV@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, < 	Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:G >> > > Don't see a dowload for this on their site. Anyone know where I   >> > > can get a copy for W2K. >> >I >> > Sorry -- a few rotten eggs ruined the whole deal.  There are several C >> > commercial installations running the Hobbyist version.  So, no  >> > downloads.  >>  N >> I can't imagine how they ever got it running. Wouldn't work on any test box >> I tried.  > K > IIRC, not only did someone manage to get a hobbyist license running on a  J > commercial system, but they made their knowledge public.  Personally, I F > don't blame Charon at all for pulling the plug.  Sure, it hurts the 5 > honest hobbyist, but they've no OBLIGATION to them.  > I > There is a similar problem in the music industry as a result of piracy.   < And the same kind of activity has resulted in there being no< legitimate hobbyist licensing program for any of the old DEC: PDP-11 OSes either.  Sadly, that only punishes those whose; scrupples prevent them from using someone else's IP without % permission and not the real culprits.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:23:11 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>$ Subject: Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit* Message-ID: <00A1E3DF.DF359F6F.2@decus.de>  + "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote:   M > > Don't see a dowload for this on their site. Anyone know where I can get a  > > copy for W2K.  > G > Sorry -- a few rotten eggs ruined the whole deal.  There are several  A > commercial installations running the Hobbyist version.  So, no   > downloads. > D > CHARON-VAX resellers can set up an evaluation kit for prospective  > customers.  ) I guess you are wrong here, Stanley. See:   . http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/index.htm   and search for "picoVAX" ...   Michael    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 10:12:55 -0700( From: qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) Subject: Re: COV Sponsors = Message-ID: <71367ac8.0304110912.6c41fd94@posting.google.com>    Carly who ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:12:45 +0200 , From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de>6 Subject: Re: DecServer 700 and UCX 4.2 with bootp/tftp, Message-ID: <tfb67b.eub.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   Vic Mendham wrote: > 8 > We're told they're shutting down Lat/Decnet on any newB > implementations, so we have to get rid or the old Decserve 200 &@ > 300's. But this means MOM$LOAD won't work to load cfg into the > decserver.   This is only partially true.  ! True: "MOM$LOAD" doesn't work ...   A False: "we have to get rid of ...". If it's just because your VMS = machines don't use LAT and DECnet, then there is another way.   G See (MC) LANCP SET NODE, SET MOP et al. You can load the old DECservers  with MOP, just like before.   C If it is, however, because there is an IP-only network, then you're H right. But AFAIK the 300's _can_ do TCP/IP, at least the later ones, but
 I'm not sure.    Albrecht Schloer    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 07:09:57 -0700+ From: c00per11242001@yahoo.ca (Vic Mendham) 6 Subject: Re: DecServer 700 and UCX 4.2 with bootp/tftp= Message-ID: <f7a73cb1.0304110609.27ef5b38@posting.google.com>   C They are the client, and new implementations, means any upgrades to F equipment, so moving from a linksys to new Cisco etc.. They don't wantC to turn on Lat, but I think we're off topic as to they.. Thanks for # the info on "limited to local Lan".   D So does anyone know of any manuals for UCX 4.2 I have it for Process? s/w Multinet and TCPWare, but my implementation will be on UCX.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:51:27 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG1 Subject: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected 0 Message-ID: <00A1E3A0.C5C56983@SendSpamHere.ORG>  J Will somebody inside of VMS engineering please alert the folks running theI hpma910.external.hp.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.3 system that emails are being  rejected with error 554.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:11:42 -0400 + From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> 5 Subject: Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected 8 Message-ID: <a9qd9vkj8tlp790kfj9apad5l6o4qkqk6c@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:51:27 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   K >Will somebody inside of VMS engineering please alert the folks running the J >hpma910.external.hp.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.3 system that emails are being >rejected with error 554.   $ What is the full text of the bounce?        D Please send Visual Fortran support requests to vf-support@compaq.com   Steve Lionel Software Products Division Intel Corporation 
 Nashua, NH  = User communities for Intel Fortran and Compaq Visual Fortran:     http://intel.com/IDS/community   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:17:45 GMT * From: "Geoff Graves" <geoff.graves@hp.com>5 Subject: Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected 0 Message-ID: <JUBla.689$Wx5.664@news.cpqcorp.net>  ! Fault has been reported.  Thanks.   , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A1E3A0.C5C56983@SendSpamHere.ORG...L > Will somebody inside of VMS engineering please alert the folks running theK > hpma910.external.hp.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.3 system that emails are being  > rejected with error 554. >  > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:34:18 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected 0 Message-ID: <00A1E3AF.24300CD4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <a9qd9vkj8tlp790kfj9apad5l6o4qkqk6c@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> writes:D >On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:51:27 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > L >>Will somebody inside of VMS engineering please alert the folks running theK >>hpma910.external.hp.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.3 system that emails are being  >>rejected with error 554. > % >What is the full text of the bounce?   6 --=_WydHyQJrTygMx8q9dmGvdNFk9/M'3g/L./9Y'?XpqtK:0t2t71 Content-Type: text/plain  8 This is a report on the delivery status of your message.  0   Message-ID:  <00A1E3A4.C8E7C47A.9@xxxxxxxxxxx>?   Subject:     RE: re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected      --Failed delivery to:    Address: Michael.Kier@hp.com   Status:  transaction failed   6 --=_WydHyQJrTygMx8q9dmGvdNFk9/M'3g/L./9Y'?XpqtK:0t2t71% Content-Type: message/delivery-status    Reporting-MTA: dns;xxxxxxxxxxx- Arrival-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:19:26 -0400   + Final-Recipient: rfc822;Michael.Kier@hp.com  Action: failed- Status: 5.0.0 (Unspecified permanent failure) * Remote-MTA: dns;smtp.hp.com (192.151.27.6)( Diagnostic-Code: smtp;transaction failed>  554 <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: Client host rejected: Access denied2 Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:21:56 -0400  6 --=_WydHyQJrTygMx8q9dmGvdNFk9/M'3g/L./9Y'?XpqtK:0t2t71    K I have remove the "domain.tld" portions and replaced with "xxxxxxxxxxxx" to K thwart any newsgroup harvesting of email addresses (well, at least mine ;).    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:24:37 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG1 Subject: Email to Michael.Kier@hp.com is rejected 0 Message-ID: <00A1E3A5.66DEE633@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <00A1E3A0.C5C56983@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: K >Will somebody inside of VMS engineering please alert the folks running the J >hpma910.external.hp.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.3 system that emails are being >rejected with error 554.   H Mike responded to me via private mail and I cannot reply to him as well.& Same 554 error.  Please fix this ASAP.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 10:32:43 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 9 Subject: Hewlett-Packard First in Online Customer Respect = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304110932.5725bb20@posting.google.com>   F A recent study found HP in first place in online customer interaction:  ? "The study ...  assigns a Customer Respect Index (CRI) to each F company.  The Customer Respect Index is a qualitative and quantitative@ in-depth analysis and independent measure of a customer's online< experience when interacting with companies via the Internet. ... ? The highest ranked organization within the High-tech sector was # Hewlett Packard at 9.7 (out of 10)"   D http://www.nwd42.com/offer/cust_respect/collateral/HighTechW03PR.pdf   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:35:50 -0700 " From: Brad Hughes <brad@tgsmc.com> Subject: HP, P&G, Ericsson( Message-ID: <3E96FCF6.1070908@tgsmc.com>  G http://www.smartmoney.com/bn/ON/index.cfm?story=ON-20030411-000371-1122    Any VMS in these contracts?    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:50:19 GMT 0 From: "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1>8 Subject: Re: Is DCPS 2.2 for AXP available for download?0 Message-ID: <%sula.669$ik5.269@news.cpqcorp.net>  H ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>I wrote in message > I poked around the www.openvms.compaq.com site and did  various searches, but L > couldn't find a place to download DCPS.  (My theory is that it _should_ beD > available for download because, like CSWS, CSWS_PERL, Availability Manager,L > etc, it's included in the VMS license, and you can't use it on anythingbutH > a VMS system anyway.)  Is it available for download, and if so, where?= I do not think it is available for download, it is on the CD.    > @ > Perhaps not having 2.2 isn't my problem; here are my symptoms. > I > I'm running DCPS 2.0 on 7.3-1 on DS20E, and I now need to support an HP  4200. K > It's hooked up, and I can print on it.  The cover sheet says "hp LaserJet D > 4200", and it prints, does number_up, does duplex or single-sided,	 etcetera, I > just fine.  But print jobs where I specify the /param=input_tray=tray_1  just > die: > : > %DCPS-E-INTRAYNOTSUP, No tray_1 tray on hp LaserJet 4200 > G > Help Print_Parameters says HP Laserjet 4000 and 4050 have trays namedoG > tray_1, tray_2, tray_3, etc.  (It doesn't recognize input_tray=1, andtG > DCL doesn't like "input_tray=tray-1" or "input_tray=TRAY 1".  It alsot4 > doesn't like trays named TOP or BOTTOM or MIDDLE.)  I Dcps 2.2 is the first version that officially supports the HP 4200, so it  should work., I do not have such a printer to test, sorry.   Grard   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 03 07:57:53 EDT From: grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu8 Subject: Re: Is DCPS 2.2 for AXP available for download?/ Message-ID: <sOZD+tVFsbMx@mcduck.acs.wmich.edu>   C If you look in sys$share:dcps$devctl.tlb and don't find modules forH? HPLJ4200, you probably need to copy the HPLJ4000 modules to the B corresponding "unrecognized" modules in a copy of the library, andC point the HP LJ 4200 queue at the modified library.  I suspect that F if you checked the console logs for messages at queue startup, it will; show that you are using the "unrecognized" printer modules.    In article <00A1E335.4B2A8ADD@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:v > Comp.os.vmsers --  > N > I poked around the www.openvms.compaq.com site and did various searches, butL > couldn't find a place to download DCPS.  (My theory is that it _should_ beM > available for download because, like CSWS, CSWS_PERL, Availability Manager,oL > etc, it's included in the VMS license, and you can't use it on anythingbutH > a VMS system anyway.)  Is it available for download, and if so, where? > @ > Perhaps not having 2.2 isn't my problem; here are my symptoms. > O > I'm running DCPS 2.0 on 7.3-1 on DS20E, and I now need to support an HP 4200.iK > It's hooked up, and I can print on it.  The cover sheet says "hp LaserJetwN > 4200", and it prints, does number_up, does duplex or single-sided, etcetera,N > just fine.  But print jobs where I specify the /param=input_tray=tray_1 just > die: > : > %DCPS-E-INTRAYNOTSUP, No tray_1 tray on hp LaserJet 4200 > H > Help Print_Parameters says HP Laserjet 4000 and 4050 have trays named H > tray_1, tray_2, tray_3, etc.  (It doesn't recognize input_tray=1, and G > DCL doesn't like "input_tray=tray-1" or "input_tray=TRAY 1".  It alsos4 > doesn't like trays named TOP or BOTTOM or MIDDLE.) >  > Any info appreciated.a > 	 > -- Alana >  > --  Q > ===============================================================================M2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUO >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056bO >  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025gQ > ===============================================================================  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:46:14 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field; Message-ID: <01KULFQIJJKIAH3N2T@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a  J > I still don't understand why, as suggested by another poster, that usingE > the modification date of the directory file wouldn't be better. ThecH > expiration date of the directory will be changed when the directory is& > read as well as when it is written.   F The modified date of the directory file is not (always) changed when a( file is added to the directory.  Try it!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:21:05 -0400s& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field8 Message-ID: <ugqd9vgr5kvtf2ntdfip6rjmmamcubi8us@4ax.com>  8 On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:46:14 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:   K >> I still don't understand why, as suggested by another poster, that usingtF >> the modification date of the directory file wouldn't be better. TheI >> expiration date of the directory will be changed when the directory isg' >> read as well as when it is written. t >eG >The modified date of the directory file is not (always) changed when a ) >file is added to the directory.  Try it!   O Well, that may be because of the specific settings you have for the minimum andrL maximum retentions on the disk volume -- is that possible? It's been a whileN since I've looked at this, but the value for min and max are selected to avoidN high overhead in maintaining the expiration date. Typically, if you set them aM day apart for example, the expiration date is only updated once a day (IIRC).bI -------------------------------------------------------------------------eI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comiI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)hI -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:09:00 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field; Message-ID: <01KUM1HUKMCGA9QUZV@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>:  M > >> I still don't understand why, as suggested by another poster, that using H > >> the modification date of the directory file wouldn't be better. TheK > >> expiration date of the directory will be changed when the directory iso) > >> read as well as when it is written. t > > I > >The modified date of the directory file is not (always) changed when ae+ > >file is added to the directory.  Try it!i > E > Well, that may be because of the specific settings you have for thegH > minimum and maximum retentions on the disk volume -- is that possible?H > It's been a while since I've looked at this, but the value for min andG > max are selected to avoid high overhead in maintaining the expiration J > date. Typically, if you set them a day apart for example, the expiration* > date is only updated once a day (IIRC).   I Yes, the settings will affect the EXPIRATION DATE.  Someone suggested to sI use the MODIFICATION DATE and I and others pointed out that this doesn't cG (always) change if files appear in the directory, thus the idea to use -E the expiration date with a very short minimum and no maximum time so h* that files essentially expire immediately.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 12:04:51 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field3 Message-ID: <UGL$E4bDsu2J@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  a In article <ugqd9vgr5kvtf2ntdfip6rjmmamcubi8us@4ax.com>, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes:o: > On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:46:14 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig- > <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:e > L >>> I still don't understand why, as suggested by another poster, that usingG >>> the modification date of the directory file wouldn't be better. ThebJ >>> expiration date of the directory will be changed when the directory is( >>> read as well as when it is written.  >>H >>The modified date of the directory file is not (always) changed when a* >>file is added to the directory.  Try it! > Q > Well, that may be because of the specific settings you have for the minimum andmN > maximum retentions on the disk volume -- is that possible? It's been a whileP > since I've looked at this, but the value for min and max are selected to avoidP > high overhead in maintaining the expiration date. Typically, if you set them aO > day apart for example, the expiration date is only updated once a day (IIRC).-  @ The volume settings for _expiration date_ have very little to doC with how the _modification date_ is affected when you create a filen in a directory.t  F The expiration date is updated (within the bounds given by min and max+ retention period) when a directory is used.0  D The modification date is not (usually) updated when a directory file@ is modified in the course of a file creation, deletion or rename
 operation.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 12:13:43 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field3 Message-ID: <gIWchdidblZy@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  T In article <UGL$E4bDsu2J@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:H > The expiration date is updated (within the bounds given by min and max- > retention period) when a directory is used.h  < I just tested.  This statement was over-broad.  Doing a wild> card lookup into a directory (e.g. a lookup that requires READD access, not just EXECUTE) will cause the directory file's expiration= date to be affected.  But creating or using a file within the F directory will _not_ update the expiration date on the directory file.   $ dir /date=exp zc.dir   Directory DISK1420:[VAXS09]a  , ZC.DIR;1             12-MAR-2003 09:45:14.23   Total of 1 file. $ create [.zc]foo.baru fooh  Exit  $ dir /date=exp zc.dir   Directory DISK1420:[VAXS09]   , ZC.DIR;1             12-MAR-2003 09:45:14.23   Total of 1 file. $ type [.zc]foo.bart fooe $ dir /date=exp zc.dir   Directory DISK1420:[VAXS09]u  , ZC.DIR;1             12-MAR-2003 09:45:14.23   Total of 1 file. $ dir [.zc]foo.bar;e+                  !^ Note the semicolon heref Directory DISK1420:[VAXS09.ZC]   FOO.BAR;1              Total of 1 file. $ dir /date=exp zc.dir   Directory DISK1420:[VAXS09]s  , ZC.DIR;1             12-MAR-2003 09:45:14.23   Total of 1 file. $ dir [.zc]foo.bar   Directory DISK1420:[VAXS09.ZC]   FOO.BAR;1              Total of 1 file. $ dir /date=exp zc.dir   Directory DISK1420:[VAXS09]c  , ZC.DIR;1             11-APR-2003 15:11:07.13   Total of 1 file. $    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 06:18:47 GMTs% From: bill@example.net (Bill Example)k Subject: looking for VMS work84 Message-ID: <1ft839u.xpdc7k8pbhpgN%bill@example.net>  E I'm starting this topic as a way to exchange info with others seeking C VMS related jobs.  Not so much specific job announcements, but moreh? along the lines of where to look, techniques to use, etc..  I'mMC looking for a programmer/analyst position, but I suspect that a VMSd: system manager or RDB DBA might be using similar searches.  ! I search the following job sites:t   http://www.dice.com/   http://www.computerwork.com/   http://www.thingamajob.com/o   http://www.net-temps.com/    http://www.computerjobs.com/   http://www.monster.com/r!   http://www.directemployers.com/i   http://www.careerbuilder.com/ : Are there other sites that might be good places to search?  @ I use "vms openvms vax dcl" as my search terms.  Vms and openvmsB because a few search engines match only by entire words, most willF match by word fragments.  Vax and dcl are pretty unique to VMS.  I getF the occasional Vehicle Management System or VAX Unix announcement, butE the s/n is acceptable to me.  I tried "alpha" for a while, but seemedtF to get more noise than signal.  Any other terms that would be good VMS indicators?y   Other comments?e   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 05:38:30 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-! Subject: Re: looking for VMS work03 Message-ID: <BXNGbqUac5Ty@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  \ In article <1ft839u.xpdc7k8pbhpgN%bill@example.net>, bill@example.net (Bill Example) writes:G > I'm starting this topic as a way to exchange info with others seeking.E > VMS related jobs.  Not so much specific job announcements, but more < > along the lines of where to look, techniques to use, etc..  " There are only occasional posts to  : 	http://eisner.decus.org/conferences/EMPLOYMENT_new_1.html  : but when it does happen they are typically quite relevant.   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2003 11:15:32 GMT- From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com> ! Subject: Re: looking for VMS work.> Message-ID: <Xns935A49D7C2AEFkenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241>  D bill@example.net (Bill Example) wrote in news:1ft839u.xpdc7k8pbhpgN% bill@example.net (in part):s  G > I'm starting this topic as a way to exchange info with others seeking1E > VMS related jobs.  Not so much specific job announcements, but more A > along the lines of where to look, techniques to use, etc..  I'maE > looking for a programmer/analyst position, but I suspect that a VMS < > system manager or RDB DBA might be using similar searches. >    [ ... snip ...]a  B > I use "vms openvms vax dcl" as my search terms.  Vms and openvmsD > because a few search engines match only by entire words, most willH > match by word fragments.  Vax and dcl are pretty unique to VMS.  I getH > the occasional Vehicle Management System or VAX Unix announcement, but  G One other keyword I have used is "dec", but that usually gets dec unix.r  G As for other places to look... it depends on where you live or want to nF work. If you're in the NYC area, you can sign up for the NY Times Job 2 Board. There are occasional VMS jobs posted there.  I Look at www.craigslist.org and subscribe to the job announcements there. lI So far, I haven't seen and VMS related work, but one never knows. I also e$ posted a pointer to my resume there.  G The site Openvms.org has two job related forums, although both of them  H seem to be people posting looking for jobs and resumes. I have gotten a ( few email inquiries since posting there.  G I have posted pointers to downloadable versions of my resume on my web  E site and have gotten inquires from recruiters who have found it that X way.  I Unfortunately, I'm still in the job market since the end of January this . time...   
 Good luck.   Ken Robinson kenrbnsn1 at rcn dot com http://www.rbnsn.com/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:24:40 GMTa/ From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.openvms.org>n! Subject: Re: looking for VMS workt< Message-ID: <YBxla.2175$Ta7.724967@twister.southeast.rr.com>  < > Are there other sites that might be good places to search?     OpenVMS.org:  
 Jobs Forum* http://www.openvms.org/phorum/list.php?f=2   Resume Listingsi* http://www.openvms.org/phorum/list.php?f=3   -- Kenneth Farmer <><  = OpenVMS Sites: http://www.OpenVMS.org, http://dcl.OpenVMS.orgDB Unix Sites:    http://www.EnterpriseUnix.org, http://www.Tru64.orgF Linux Sites:   http://www.LinuxHPC.org, http://www.EnterpriseLinux.org      2 "Bill Example" <bill@example.net> wrote in message. news:1ft839u.xpdc7k8pbhpgN%bill@example.net...G > I'm starting this topic as a way to exchange info with others seeking E > VMS related jobs.  Not so much specific job announcements, but more A > along the lines of where to look, techniques to use, etc..  I'moE > looking for a programmer/analyst position, but I suspect that a VMSi< > system manager or RDB DBA might be using similar searches. >y# > I search the following job sites:e >   http://www.dice.com/  >   http://www.computerwork.com/ >   http://www.thingamajob.com/n >   http://www.net-temps.com/0  >   http://www.computerjobs.com/ >   http://www.monster.com/ # >   http://www.directemployers.com/l! >   http://www.careerbuilder.com/ < > Are there other sites that might be good places to search? >iB > I use "vms openvms vax dcl" as my search terms.  Vms and openvmsD > because a few search engines match only by entire words, most willH > match by word fragments.  Vax and dcl are pretty unique to VMS.  I getH > the occasional Vehicle Management System or VAX Unix announcement, butG > the s/n is acceptable to me.  I tried "alpha" for a while, but seemedpH > to get more noise than signal.  Any other terms that would be good VMS
 > indicators?s >i > Other comments?3   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:30:23 GMT34 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)! Subject: Re: looking for VMS work ? Message-ID: <jHxla.444323$sf5.764708@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>e  \ In article <1ft839u.xpdc7k8pbhpgN%bill@example.net>, bill@example.net (Bill Example) writes:F >I'm starting this topic as a way to exchange info with others seekingD >VMS related jobs.  Not so much specific job announcements, but more@ >along the lines of where to look, techniques to use, etc..  I'mD >looking for a programmer/analyst position, but I suspect that a VMS; >system manager or RDB DBA might be using similar searches.o > " >I search the following job sites: >  http://www.dice.com/X >  http://www.computerwork.com/d >  http://www.thingamajob.com/ >  http://www.net-temps.com/ >  http://www.computerjobs.com/g >  http://www.monster.com/" >  http://www.directemployers.com/  >  http://www.careerbuilder.com/; >Are there other sites that might be good places to search?e  ) http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ is a good site.s   <snip> >Other comments?  N If you live in the US, the South and West seem to have more VMS jobs available than the Northeast or Midwest.  > If you have skills/experience with Unix/Linux, highlight them.  N Job searches using the newspaper or 'Net are only a small part of the effort. M If you have personal connections in the industry, USE THEM.  Join (or form) ayM "networking" group to facilitate personal contacts, and exchange information  $ on jobs offered/sought in your area.  K Currently, the average job search is taking three months - this is not yourhL father's (or grandfather's) economy.  Be prepared (if you are looking) for aH period of unemployment, and all the emotional baggage that goes with it.  A _________________________________________________________________a0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:13:44 +0100i9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>>! Subject: Re: looking for VMS works? Message-ID: <38bd76e14b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   > In message <jHxla.444323$sf5.764708@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>?           brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote:t  ^ > In article <1ft839u.xpdc7k8pbhpgN%bill@example.net>, bill@example.net (Bill Example) writes:H > >I'm starting this topic as a way to exchange info with others seekingF > >VMS related jobs.  Not so much specific job announcements, but moreB > >along the lines of where to look, techniques to use, etc..  I'mF > >looking for a programmer/analyst position, but I suspect that a VMS= > >system manager or RDB DBA might be using similar searches.e > >T$ > >I search the following job sites: > >  http://www.dice.com/r! > >  http://www.computerwork.com/2  > >  http://www.thingamajob.com/ > >  http://www.net-temps.com/! > >  http://www.computerjobs.com/y > >  http://www.monster.com/$ > >  http://www.directemployers.com/" > >  http://www.careerbuilder.com/= > >Are there other sites that might be good places to search?  > + > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ is a good site.- >  > <snip> > >Other comments? > P > If you live in the US, the South and West seem to have more VMS jobs available  > than the Northeast or Midwest. > @ > If you have skills/experience with Unix/Linux, highlight them. > P > Job searches using the newspaper or 'Net are only a small part of the effort. O > If you have personal connections in the industry, USE THEM.  Join (or form) a3O > "networking" group to facilitate personal contacts, and exchange information  & > on jobs offered/sought in your area. > M > Currently, the average job search is taking three months - this is not yourlN > father's (or grandfather's) economy.  Be prepared (if you are looking) for aJ > period of unemployment, and all the emotional baggage that goes with it.  I Mine is coming up to its first anniversary. It doesn't help being 56 - in:? the UK at least nobody is interested in IT staff over about 40.-  B At least I can earn money whitewater raft-guiding, canoe and kayakJ instructing, driving, rigging exhibition lighting. It's quite surprised meG how many of my hobbies can become employment. It's just a shame that my ) employment seems to have become my hobby.    Alan  F p.s. Anyone interested in a very experienced VMS system manager in the	 Midlands?.   -- o
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:01:52 +0100g9 From: "covendotartdottalk21dotcom" <postmaster@127.0.0.1>t! Subject: Re: looking for VMS work 3 Message-ID: <2PmcnXLRv7FPVwujXTWcog@brightview.com>   F "Alan Adams" <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message9 news:38bd76e14b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk...tH > p.s. Anyone interested in a very experienced VMS system manager in the > Midlands?0  I Prepared to relocate to Berkshire?   Prepared to go on call?  We may haveA- a vacancy coming up in the next month or two.0   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:05:49 GMTs+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)9! Subject: Re: looking for VMS work>; Message-ID: <1Zzla.42188$Q27.2197857@twister.austin.rr.com>e  . Ken Robinson (kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com) wrote: : K : Unfortunately, I'm still in the job market since the end of January this  	 : time...s :   H The Houston Chronicle carried this Chicago Tribune article last weekend:  <    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/1853900@    Laid-off professionals take low-paying jobs to make ends meet   Some of its salient points:a  C    o "Employers such as Home Depot report a surplus of applicants."y  I    o "Job counselors say even part-time jobs are becoming harder to get."   F    o "In substitute teaching, another source of income for out-of-work5       professionals, the labor pool also is growing."   I The Boston-area 495 Networking Support Group published their tech sector m unemployment survey:  0    http://www.495nsg.com/surveyresults200302.asp.    495 Networking Support Group Survey Results  	    [snip]c  &   "How long have you been unemployed? F      _________________________________________________________________    e(     22.6% - (1,016 Votes) 12 - 18 months$     18.4% - (828 Votes) 3 - 6 months*     16%   - (718 Votes) Less than 3 months$     14.9% - (670 Votes) 6 - 9 months%     14.1% - (637 Votes) 9 - 12 months &     10.6% - (478 Votes) 18 - 24 months&      3.1% - (140 Votes) Over 24 months  
     [snip]F      _________________________________________________________________    iG    How many job opportunities have you formally applied for in the lastt    NINETY [90] days? oF      _________________________________________________________________    g!     28.5% - (1,280 Votes) Over 50      17.8% - (803 Votes) 1 - 10     17.8% - (803 Votes) 11 - 20s     15%   - (676 Votes) 21 - 30a     9%    - (407 Votes) 31 - 40,     6.7%  - (305 Votes) 41 - 50,     4.7%  - (213 Votes) NoneF      _________________________________________________________________     =    How many responses to these applications did you receive?  F      _________________________________________________________________    1     31%   - (1,393 Votes) None     17.1% - (768 Votes) 1p     16.8% - (758 Votes) 2      12.5% - (564 Votes) 3      7%    - (315 Votes) 5      5.5%  - (251 Votes) 4 $     2.5%  - (115 Votes) More than 10     2.4%  - (112 Votes) 6e     1.8%  - (83 Votes) 10e     1.3%  - (60 Votes) 7     1.1%  - (51 Votes) 8     0.3%  - (17 Votes) 9F      _________________________________________________________________    -9    How many of these positions were you interviewed for?  F      _________________________________________________________________    t     51.8% - (2,328 Votes) None     25.1% - (1,128 Votes) 1F     12.7% - (574 Votes) 2w     5.7%  - (258 Votes) 3o     1.8%  - (81 Votes) 4     1.3%  - (59 Votes) 5"     1.3%  - (59 Votes) More than 5F      _________________________________________________________________    mC    How confident are you that you will return to a full time careero    position during 2003? lF      _________________________________________________________________    o,     53.6% - (2,407 Votes) Not Very Confident.     33.7% - (1,515 Votes) Reasonably Confident*     12.5% - (565 Votes) Very Confident..."    A The following article implies a global open market for IT (jobs):w  4    http://www.uscib.org/%5Cindex.asp?documentID=2084B    2002 May 3 - Industry Targets Services, E-commerce In WTO Round  G   "The U.S. high-tech industry has much to gain in the current round of:I    free-trade negotiations at the World Trade Organization judging by thec5    submissions filed with U.S. negotiators this week.b    u	    [snip]u    tF    Another objective -- summarized in the submissions by ITI, ITAA andF    BSA, among others -- would be to ensure that IT services, includingH    those delivered electronically, continue to be covered by the GeneralD    Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS) commitments on computer andA    related services. ITI's submission is identical to that of theuF    collective group of tech firms on the services negotiations. All ITB    services such as consulting, outsourcing, Web hosting, computerI    maintenance and repair, IT training, and services related to software,cF    data-processing, databases and security -- should be covered by the    GATS, they argued.l    tB    Other goals include getting countries to remove barriers to the?    movement of business personnel who provide IT services, open B    government procurement process and open markets for IT services<    necessary to create the infrastructure for e-commerce and?    electronically delivered services. The services negotiationseI    officially began in early 2000 because they were carried over from thenB    last round of multilateral negotiations in Geneva, known as the    Uruguay Round..    kF    Beyond services, industry seeks harmonization of countries' testingH    and certification requirements for IT products, better enforcement ofG    intellectual property commitments, and greater adoption of the World C    Intellectual Property Organization's digital treaties. They alsoOH    called for refraining from restrictive regulatory measures, includingD    taxes. BSA insisted that software downloaded from the Internet beG    treated the same as traditionally acquired software, which currentlyd*    is considered a good, not a service..."  F It'll be interesrting to see what comes out of the Cancun WTO meeting:  H    http://www.siliconindia.com/shownewsdata.asp?newsno=19100&newscat=Top4    India concerned about slow progress on WTO issues      2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaila   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:32:03 GMTp+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) ! Subject: Re: looking for VMS worke; Message-ID: <DlAla.50777$vI3.1774729@twister.austin.rr.com>s  : Alan Adams (alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk) wrote: : H : Mine is coming up to its first anniversary. It doesn't help being 56 -D : in the UK at least nobody is interested in IT staff over about 40. :   H To put the following statistic in perspective, the maximum unemployment 5 rate in the U.S. during the Great Depression was 25%:i  +      http://www.timesizing.com/col9912a.htm       Collapse - 12/1-15/99  G     "...Oh yeah, we didn't even mention that. The 17% unemployment rate E      among workers over age 50 in high tech alone - the industry that F      complains most about lack of qualified applicants so they can getD      more visas for pre-trained low-wage programmers from Bombay..."    J The supranational corporations are relocating many of their jobs overseas,/ as evidenced by HP's Ann Livermore's statement:e  :    http://www.forbes.com/home/2002/12/05/cz_qh_1205hp.html;    Forbes.com: The New HP Way: World's Cheapest Consultants.     ?   "NEW YORK - Tech giant Hewlett-Packard has seen the future ofnF    technology consulting. It's on the other side of the globe and it's    really, really cheap.  G    "We're trying to move everything we can offshore," HP Services chief I    Ann Livermore told Wall Street analysts at a meeting Wednesday. "We're H    aggressively realigning our resources." Short term, that means addingI    to the software and services personnel HP (nyse: HPQ - news - people )iH    already has in India. Further out, HP expects China to also turn into     a major consulting center..."    6 That trend isn't restricted to the IT industry either:  B    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_05/b3818001.htm:    BW Online | February 3, 2003 | The New Global Job Shift  I   "The next round of globalization is sending upscale jobs offshore. TheyyC    include basic research, chip design, engineering--even financialsI    analysis. Can America lose these jobs and still prosper? Who wins? Who:	    loses?t    f	    [snip].  G    The truth is, the rise of the global knowledge industry is so recentmE    that most economists haven't begun to fathom the implications. ForLG    developing nations, the big beneficiaries will be those offering theTH    speediest and cheapest telecom links, investor-friendly policies, andH    ample college grads. In the West, it's far less clear who will be the4    big winners and losers. But we'll soon find out."    B To lower labor costs for jobs still in the U.S., corporations have discovered the L-1 visa:  E    http://businessweek.com/careers/content/mar2003/ca2003036_6655.htm6=    BW Online | March 6, 2003 | A Mainframe-Size Visa Loophole1  B   "More companies are using L-1 visas to bring in low-wage foreign-    info-tech workers -- and replace Americansf    lG    Senior systems analyst Patricia Fluno was shocked when she found outtI    last summer that she and 11 colleagues in the Lake Mary (Fla.) officesyE    of Siemens (SI ) were being replaced by techies brought in by Tata-D    Consultancy Services, India's largest information-technology (IT)G    consulting firm. Fluno, 53, couldn't understand how Tata and Siemens-+    could bring Indian workers into the U.S.n  H    After all, in 2001, Congress had specifically banned the displacementE    of U.S. employees by foreigners brought in under the controversial I    H-1B visa program, which many employers had tapped to fill vacant jobsiC    in the booming 1990s. Congress also had demanded rules requiringpE    employers to pay H-1B workers prevailing U.S. wages -- and Siemens I    made no bones about the cost-cutting nature of the layoffs. When Fluno E    asked one of the replacements about his visa during the two monthsaE    that she trained him to take her job, Fluno says a Siemens managerA1    told her not to ask such "personal" questions.h  I    Fluno was onto something. In fact, Muralidhar Naidu Kollu, the Tata ITpH    analyst who now sits at Fluno's desk and does her job, didn't have anE    H-1B at all. Instead, Fluno learned, Tata used a more obscure visa B    called the L-1, which is designed for intracompany transfers byE    multinational corporations. Even though Tata's primary business isnB    supplying off-shore IT expertise to U.S. companies, it used theG    loosely regulated L-1 program to place Kollu and 11 other Indians insH    Siemens' Florida offices. Reached at Fluno's old phone number, Kollu,H    who speaks halting English, says he specializes in SAP software, justD    like Fluno. He declined to discuss his salary, but Fluno says herH    Siemens supervisors told her he earns just one-third of her $98,000 a    year..."   G Subscribers of Rob Sanchez's free "H-1B and Job Destruction Newsletter*/E already know that H-1B, L-1 anf TN visas are covered by GAT and NAFTA H treaties, which puts them out of reach of the U.S. or state governments.    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailg  @ * To Subscribe or Unsubcribe send an email to H1BNews@ZaZona.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:51:22 -0400k< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>! Subject: Re: looking for VMS workc5 Message-ID: <b76kpc$bn964$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>    Bill Example wrote:d >... > Other comments?_  8 It is interesting to note that the number of VMS jobs in> Canada according to www.workopolis.com and www.monster.ca seem< to be increasing over the last few months. I don't know why, but it is nice to see.   -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.o) Serving Southern Ontario/Western New Yorks   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:58:13 +0100u9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>i! Subject: Re: looking for VMS worke? Message-ID: <444a8be14b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>-  2 In message <2PmcnXLRv7FPVwujXTWcog@brightview.com>D           "covendotartdottalk21dotcom" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote:   > H > "Alan Adams" <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message; > news:38bd76e14b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk...yJ > > p.s. Anyone interested in a very experienced VMS system manager in the
 > > Midlands?t > K > Prepared to relocate to Berkshire?   Prepared to go on call?  We may haveM/ > a vacancy coming up in the next month or two.t  J I'd prefer not to relocate, but some parts of Berkshire are reachable from6 Northampton. I'd be interested in details as and when.   >  >    -- e
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/S   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:24:35 +0200w$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar+ Message-ID: <00A1E3E0.113262CD.11@decus.de>m  + "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote:d  ( > On 10 Apr 2003 at 19:02, Rolona wrote:3 > > On the website it quotes "licenses from $1900".t >  > On what website? > L > > I could buy a bunch of Vaxes for that, with licences. They would be more; > > reliable than a new W2K box . Seems to be a bad option.2 > H > Actually, W2k can be a very reliable platform.  We recommend that all B > unnecessary services (which are most of them) be disabled.  The ? > system must be dedicated to CHARON-VAX, and run nothing else.,  C I still don't understand why this emulator is running on a Winwoes _G platform (letting aside the Alpha version) and not based on a reliable a
 real-time OS.o  B > And don't buy a cheap W2k box -- get a server-quality box.  The  > difference is amazing.  9 Agreed, but that's applicable to all technical equipment.    Michaelo   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:24:34 -0400S* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar- Message-ID: <3E96C212.32380.C946FB@localhost>   - On 11 Apr 2003 at 18:24, Michael Unger wrote:eE > I still don't understand why this emulator is running on a Winwoes iI > platform (letting aside the Alpha version) and not based on a reliable o > real-time OS.p  E It's a disgusting thought, but many customers *want* Windows.  These 0  people tend to be non-technical.  D If you want a very reliable host OS, CHARON-VAX also runs under VMS 5 on Alpha.  Surely you can't complain about that   ;-)a  
 --Stan Quaylei Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671=1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147== Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comT   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 05:31:05 -07006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft): Subject: OpenVMS Hobbyist licensing - what is it all about= Message-ID: <58ba0101.0304110401.625082dd@posting.google.com>=   Hi,   F I have seen many messages relating to the OpenVMS hobbyist license. IsD it possible someone can tell me where I can find information on whatE is entailed in this, and how I can go about getting one here in SouthK Africa ?   Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:23:19 +0100 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>o> Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licensing - what is it all about? Message-ID: <f11b7de14b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>i  < In message <58ba0101.0304110401.625082dd@posting.google.com>A           andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) wrote:-   > Hi,- > H > I have seen many messages relating to the OpenVMS hobbyist license. IsF > it possible someone can tell me where I can find information on whatG > is entailed in this, and how I can go about getting one here in South8
 > Africa ?  D 1 Join the user group - which used to be called DECUS, then CUO, now@  Encompass. Your local chapter, at their lowest rate, qualifies.N   (Apparently you can join the US chapter for free, online as an alternative.)  G 2 Log on to www.montagar.com, click the LICENSE button and fill in youriL details. Your membership number needs to have been set up online for this toL work. You need to register for VMS (either VAX or Alpha) and for the Layered	 Products.   F 3 If you haven't got the media, then purchase the CD for VAX or Alpha, 30$US, paid via PayPal.o  L Job done. The licenses arrive by email, very fast when I did it. The media a few days latee.v  L You may find the website not responding. If that happens try again next day,. until it does. They have been having troubles.   >  > Thanks > Andrew   Alan   --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:31:44 -0700 , From: "Ingemar Olson" <bio2935c@hotmail.com>D Subject: Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /page5 Message-ID: <F486iLQMqKDbF6vFSMy000159ba@hotmail.com>-  = >From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> A >Reply-To: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>u >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComE >Subject: Re: Printing with a form defined with both /setup and /paged% >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:09:30 -0400l >n >Ingemar Olson wrote:u > >...7 > > Can someone who is not using Multinet please try toe > > replicate myC > > experiment? Can someone else who IS using Multinet do the same?i > > = > > VMS Alpha 7.1-2 (yes I know it's not "current"), Multinet  > > 4.3, HP 4000 printer > >... >e< >Using TCPWare V5.6-2 and AXP VMS 7.3-1 I get exactly what I5 >would expect, BIOSETU, BIOPAGE then the actual file.t >y6 >BIOSETU had the text; <ESC>PThis is BIOSETU.TXT<ESC>\6 >BIOPAGE had the text; <ESC>PThis is BIOPAGE.TXT<ESC>\ >h= >Because of the <ESC>P and <ESC>\ it all printed on one page.t= >Try that to make sure that the ejection of a page during thea? >setup is not causing problems, if you get the same result withh1 >the escape sequences in there then call Process.i >n >--d
 >Peter Weaver   >Weaver Consulting Services Inc.* >Serving Southern Ontario/Western New York >  Thank you Peter!  K I've had some time to play with this again and discovered that the "setup"  K module will only print if it has the embedded escape sequences. The "page"  L module, however, will print with or without the escape seqs. And if neither 8 has the escape seqs then the "page" module prints twice.  M If I define the form without a "page" module, then the "setup" module prints cI regardless of whether it has the escape seqs (if without, then I get the b@ extra page of course, but at least it gets sent to the printer).  J Not what I'd call intuitive, but at least I can now get the effect I want.  
 Ingemar Olsong  A _________________________________________________________________'3 Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online  t: http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:52:49 +0100w0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>* Subject: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN-V03003 Message-ID: <b75s8j$90$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>e   Bart Zorn wrote:F > VMS731_LAN-V0400 is now available and it does execute the WRITEBOOT. > G > In the release notes is an explicit note about the potential problemsi. > caused by the previous versions of this ECO. > G > Thanks to OpenVMS engineering for correcting this problem in a timelyo	 > manner!m  " Pity V0200 & V0300 were such dogs.I I got badly bitten by another, vms73_sys05, last November, and have been yF shy of patches since (vms731_sys02 was similar). vms73_sys05 is still E broken, still shipping, and still "to be installed by all customers".w  L They seem to be heading the way of Microsoft - can we get back to quality ??   Chrisu   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 07:14:54 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPm3 Message-ID: <Nkic3hTjPOqo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3E961C96.6F5C2B4A@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:$ > rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz wrote:F >> Gets recycled round and round. And, like Don I'd like to be able toH >> make my SMTP be a bit less tolerant of this and just bin it. Why tell6 >> the nonsensical sender there's no one of that name? > K > It is good internet etiquette to send back non-delivery reports. Now, oneaP > could simply send back header information (subjevt, sender, destination, date)  > instead of the whole contents.  C According to RFC 821 the nondelivery report MUST be sent.  When youtE accept a message, you accept responsibility for either delivering thes5 message or creating and delivering a delivery report.   D Of course, the realities of SPAM being what they are, most of us areC fairly comfortable bending that rule a bit.  RFC 821 and netiquette.E be damned.  It doesn't bother me that <refinance@savingssentinel.com>t? doesn't learn that their message to <ccurtis@qsi.com> could not 
 be delivered.0  C In most cases, it's not the size of the delivery reports that makes=E them troublesome.  It's the number of delivery reports and the numberAA of failed delivery attempts that need to be made.  Timing out DNS B queries or SMTP connection attempts 50 or 60 times per message for; several thousands of messages adds up.  If you're running axD multi-threaded sender, it burns process slots that could be used forA useful work.  If you're running a single-threaded sender, burningt@ 5-15 minutes per delivery attempt will bring your mail system to
 its knees.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2003 12:30 CDT3' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)-+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP - Message-ID: <11APR200312303590@gerg.tamu.edu>(  % rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz writes...w) }Followed the thread below with interest.lC }We suffer the same problems as Don, unsolicited e-mail arrives fori }folk who have long gone.a8 }There's no entry in the UAF or the Mail files for them. } E }Now I'm guessing here 'cause I'm not an SMTP guru, but it seems SMTPnA }Mail must make it past the SMTP handler in order to determine ift }there's a valid VMS Mail User?i  D Why? The recipient must be specified before the body of the message.D If it is a VMS SMTP server, why shouldn't it immediately look up theG user (in the VMS specific way) to verify the validity of the addressee?pD It would need to check it's own aliases, any rewriting rules (if the@ system uses them), the VMSMAIL_PROFILE file, and the SYSUAF file as appropriate.   ? Doing it when the recipient is specified makes that part of thee? message processing take longer, tying up IP stack resources and B such, but considering the current environment of spam, spam, spam,D real mail, and spam it would seem to me that not having to deal withA the DATA portion of a message that will never be delivered due totE recipient non-existance would actually reduce the load in pretty much F every aspect of the operation. Less load on the SMTP server, less loadF on the network, less load on the computer in general, and less load on the postmaster.   G I though that Multinet's SMTP server did this, but I don't really know.aB I think PMDF may do this if the server configuration is relativelyD simple and the processing for the specific message in question is asF well (like when there is no directory channel involved, for example) -D but, again, I'm not actually certain. I do know that in neither caseI are my mail queues filled with bouncing messages for nonexistant accounts E being bounced back to bad addresses. Not only are the not filled withnH them, but I don't actually see any such messages at all (not that I haveI looked for that very often, but I have never seen any of these sitting in@E the spool area or queue as far as I can recall and my mail queues are3 usually a lot like empty).  E It seems to me that NOT doing this would be a denial of service hole..E Just send mail to random addresses at the server and use a bad returniD address. And keep sending them. You don't even have to send them allE that fast. Before too long, the buildup of bad bouncing messages willfE bog down the server to the point that it can't get much, if any, realmC mail processing done. Or fill its disk(s), to the same end (but notD@ necessarily limited to blocking only mail service in that case).   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2003 17:25:21 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com>! Subject: Serial connection to VAXa0 Message-ID: <slrnb9duk1.k4.thierry@andro.family>   Hello!  G I've acquired 2 VAXen (1 VAXstation 3100 and 1 VAX 4000-300) and am nowrD trying to install some OS on it (the goal would be OpenVMS - but for% this I'd like to look at them first).eC The VAXstation had a monitor with it, and thus worked quite nicely, B apart that to install something on it, I should have access to theG serial console!  Same for the VAX 4000-300, since it has no other meanseC that I know (I don't know if there is an OS on the latter, though).vH Thus, I took a MMJ-to-MMJ cable and snapped one end away, and put a DB25@ end on it.  The pinouts should be OK, I checked this quite a few times...D Then, I plugged the cable in (into the "printer" port and the serialF port), switched the switch on the back of the VAXstation and started aB terminal on the other end. I set it to 9600 8N1, protocol xon/xoffH (because IIRC, the communication with the VAX is directed with DTR?) andD full of tension, switched the VAXstation on. But nothing happened! IF tried some times more, tried different terminals (cu, tip, minicom andF kermit are the ones I've tried), and on the end, I tried to connect toC the VAX 4000-300, but it stays the same. It's not possible to get af serial connection...D Something weird, too, is that I have the feeling that the VAXstationC will only finish booting to the ">>>"-prompt when I plug in a looseoB MMJ-cable into the serial port.  With loose I mean a MMJ-cable not connected to anywhere.A Does somebody know where the problem could be?  Or has any hints?:   I would appreciate very much....   ThierryD   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:19:57 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyw8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility .... Message-ID: <3E96B2ED.8040203@nospamn.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e7 > wrote in message news:3E9443DF.902@nospamn.sun.com...m >  >> >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>& >>>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" >>) > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>s > : >>>wrote in message news:3E91646C.50502@nospamn.sun.com... >>>r >>>cD >>>Hmmm.  Sparc sucks.  Supposedly Opteron won't.  Both are 64-bits. >>>  >>0 >>Humm and your first conjecture is one that you. >>have never managed to sucessfully justify so0 >>why not drop it, you have hung yourself out to0 >>dry so many times on this point alone that its% >>embarassing if not a trifle boring.  >> >  > H > Actually, all Sun has done lately is to pioneer new ways to break SpecB > benchmarks.  Ol' sparc'y is a trailing edge design with mediocre > performance. >   * BS. We have covered this before you didn't, have a clue what you were talking about then  and clearly nothing has changed.  1 Meanwhile a feedback directed optimisation fueled/0 IA-64 makes a usefull but expensive room heater.   > > >>Just as a hint, the multi-core Power 4 isn't a CMT processor: >>and while some P4's support hyperthreading it also isn't >>what we are implimenting.- >> >  > J > The research indicates Sun respin of old designs in newer processes, andJ > nothing really *new* - or anything that even comes close to matching theJ > performance of almost *any* contemporary chip.  Just vapor.  A dwindlingK > market (well, a dwindling server market, since the WS market already fellp > in). >    What research ??  5 More BS. You don't have a clue again, read the Niagrac- white paper. When you have then we can have ao/ converstation at the moment its very unbalancedl with you looking silly.n   > = >>Why don't you do a little bit of research before posting BSm> >>you will only gain from it, anything that raises the quality= >>of your posts from ill informed FUDSTER to something higherc >>up the scale would be good.. >> >  > H > Speaking of FUD - grow up and get a real job.  I hear you invented Sun/ > clusters, so you must be really, really good.  >   > Wow, even more BS you post a set of responses that the average/ child wouldn't have much difficulty seing rightm0 through and then you suggest I get a real job !!     Regardsn Andrew Harrisonh   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:11:12 +0100s* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net># Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?h5 Message-ID: <b76euf$bms8c$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>   > "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> wrote in message4 news:69ola.52390$gC.12961@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com...H > Ahh.  Very close.  The answer is. . .  they are the same system board! You J > make the 92 into a 100 with a console command!  Hint:  >>>T (something). Is2 > have the full command buried here somewhere. . . >e   From memory, T 92k% but please don't hold me to it... :-)    -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net_ http://www.travell.uk.net/             ---o& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003i   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 07:49:36 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s# Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?m3 Message-ID: <eqt3+cXIWATW@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  q In article <20030411011749.97442.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:a? > Why not HP open the VAX architecture to other company developn' > some kind of 1U machine or blade ????t >   F    It's too slow for anyone to be interested.  They'd have been betterH    off trying to license the Alpha architecture.  But due to digital and4    Compaq mismanagment, there were almost no buyers.   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2003 16:51:51 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?.5 Message-ID: <b76rr6$bk8bc$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>t  * In article <3E96F255.3090102@ecubics.com>,+ 	emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com> writes:y > Bob Koehler wrote:t >> In article <20030411011749.97442.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes: >> g@ >>>Why not HP open the VAX architecture to other company develop( >>>some kind of 1U machine or blade ???? > > I >>    It's too slow for anyone to be interested.  They'd have been betterbK >>    off trying to license the Alpha architecture.  But due to digital andh7 >>    Compaq mismanagment, there were almost no buyers.e > % > Why do you think it would be slow ?  >   D I agree.  I would love to see what kind of performance one would getD out of a VAX or PDP-11 CPU fabbed with the technology we have today.D And, considering how many people keep popping up that are still run-B ning both the VAX and the PDP-11 in production environments, I can5 only imagine the performance increase they would see,.   bill   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:03:43 -0700n# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>n# Subject: RE: VAX 4000/100 or is it?o9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGELOGPAA.tom@kednos.com>m  = Interestingly, I was looking at AMDs site last week and their 3 claim was that the loser in CISC/RISC war was Risc.e  F Alpha has a relatively week instruction set.  There are reports of x86D running at 4.5GHz.  Now VAX is a much cleaner architecture than x86,E and clearly it could also have been running at that speed had not thel" wrong fork in the road been taken.   >-----Original Message-----rE >From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu]On Behalf Of" >Bill Gunshannon% >Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 9:52 AMe >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com$ >Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it? >A >n+ >In article <3E96F255.3090102@ecubics.com>, , >	emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com> writes: >> Bob Koehler wrote:P >>> In article< ><20030411011749.97442.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio+ >Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:a >>>rA >>>>Why not HP open the VAX architecture to other company develope) >>>>some kind of 1U machine or blade ????  >> >J >>>    It's too slow for anyone to be interested.  They'd have been betterL >>>    off trying to license the Alpha architecture.  But due to digital and8 >>>    Compaq mismanagment, there were almost no buyers. >>& >> Why do you think it would be slow ? >> >eE >I agree.  I would love to see what kind of performance one would get1E >out of a VAX or PDP-11 CPU fabbed with the technology we have today.tE >And, considering how many people keep popping up that are still run-rC >ning both the VAX and the PDP-11 in production environments, I cant6 >only imagine the performance increase they would see, >t >billc >g >--tK >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesoE >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.d >University of Scranton   |y? >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  >4 >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com)._@ >Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 >  ---6& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:08:26 +02001" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl># Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?_5 Message-ID: <b76sqi$bkkmg$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>w  L That's it, now I remember. Our site resident DEC engineer did that trick and gave away the secret:_ >>> T 92   Hans  @ "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> schreef in bericht4 news:69ola.52390$gC.12961@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com...H > Ahh.  Very close.  The answer is. . .  they are the same system board! YouVJ > make the 92 into a 100 with a console command!  Hint:  >>>T (something). I 2 > have the full command buried here somewhere. . . >_ >_/ > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in messagea1 > news:b74d6h$b3agp$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de..._L > > The later model 3100's share the same cpu board as similar sized 4000's. AsK > > jumper inside or loading different firmware (I forgot) switches between5 > DSSIF > > support or SCSI support. Second hand systems may be assembled from > different F > > systems so the label on the oustide no longer matches the internal > hardware.  > >) > > Hans > > ; > > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> schreef in bericht_3 > > news:b73mv5$aqint$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...-B > > > Why does my VAX 4000/100 have a label on the back that says: > > > MicroVAX 3100 M92_ > > >_
 > > > bill > > >_ > > > --I > > > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three2 > wolvesJ > > > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  > > > University of Scranton   |D > > > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h> > >_ >_ >_ >_   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:50:29 -0600o( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com># Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?_* Message-ID: <3E96F255.3090102@ecubics.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:s > In article <20030411011749.97442.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:  > ? >>Why not HP open the VAX architecture to other company develop.' >>some kind of 1U machine or blade ????   >H >    It's too slow for anyone to be interested.  They'd have been betterJ >    off trying to license the Alpha architecture.  But due to digital and6 >    Compaq mismanagment, there were almost no buyers.  # Why do you think it would be slow ?n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:04:07 -0600m( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com>. Subject: Re: VAX hardware support alternatives* Message-ID: <3E96F587.7020205@ecubics.com>   Rich Jordan wrote:B > One of our customers is running (very happily and reliably) on aH > MicroVAX 3100-85 system.  We just got copies of their support contractF > renewal, and HP is dropping hardware support for the system (not forC > all peripherals, and not for software) as of 31 December 2003.  IcG > haven't confirmed yet, but the contracts admin said she believed thateE > all 3100 systems with the possible exception of the model 88 and 98y+ > were being removed from hardware support.r > D > We have a number of customers still on 3100 VAX systems.  AlthoughG > they are very reliable, running without some kind of call-in hardware G > support in the event of a failure is not an acceptable option, and atcB > this point, none of them are ready for (or really need) an AlphaF > upgrade (unless it can really pay for itself quickly, which does not$ > appear to be the case at present). > E > So I'm looking for recommendations for trustworthy hardware supportnD > vendors that can continue covering the 3100 class VAXen.  Opinions; > accepted, informed opinions valued!  Thanks for any info.r  H Simply get some spare machines. What usually fails on this machines are F drives (no need to buy DEC-Compaq-HP), or the power supplies. Easy to 	 exchange.t   cheers   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:22:52 -0500o From: brandon@dalsemi.comt. Subject: Re: VAX hardware support alternatives1 Message-ID: <03041112225277@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>l  J > Simply get some spare machines. What usually fails on this machines are H > drives (no need to buy DEC-Compaq-HP), or the power supplies. Easy to  > exchange.t  O True.  Having a failover machine might be better bet.  Problem with spare partsnK is they sit on the shelf and if not taken care of end up getting beat up or M lost.  When you go to use them how do you know they will be in working order?    Try contacting SMS http://www.sysmaint.com/  G Contact most any HP Reseller, like island computers, they may have somec sources.    http://www.hpaq.net/    John Brandon VMS Systems Administratori Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fxe   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:01:31 +0200e" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences5 Message-ID: <b76sde$bmqur$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>p  J "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> schreef in bericht- news:3TarKUgCvhPC@eisner.encompasserve.org...sD > In article <b6v47b$9e4co$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:  >oD > > - DECnet/VAX has DDCMP support, it was not there in AXP/VMS V7.0 >lG >    You have a DDCMP board for an Alpha?  I haven't seen a DDCMP boardi >    since Qbus. >o) What on earth is a DDCMP board? A DSW-42? & Anyway, I was thinking of async DDCMP.   Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:31:33 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>16 Subject: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status reportD Message-ID: <pdBla.807$BQi.442@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? A little over a week ago, a colleague and I were discussing thehD current worldwide HP advertising campaign and the lack of mention ofE VMS anywhere in this advertising blitz, in any media, in any country.A  B So we sat down and wrote up a few comments and questions about VMSF advertising and marketing and he sent them off to carly, Marcello, and& Gorham. In part the comments included,    C "It is a laudable campaign - the televsion and press campaigns bothoE presenting the same message about HP, Windows on HP gear, HP-UX on HP"? gear, Linux on HP gear, NSK on HP gear. But for all the tens of D millions of dollars being spent on this campaign worldwide, there is9 not 10 cents worth of OpenVMS or Alphaserver advertising.   D This is as clear an indication of HP's lack of commitment to OpenVMS in the future ....  F OpenVMS is a multi-billion dollar asset of HP, and by current reports,A once you get past the fudged HP internal accounting, a profitable ? asset at that even though it is only being presented to currentgF customers. In all my many years in business I have never seen so largeC a product so abandoned by advertising and marketing, except when its was about to be killed.h  F .... or will there simply be an announcement in 2006 stating that 'dueB to lower than expected sales OpenVMS is being placed on EOL status effective immediately'?a  B It would appear that this is the game plan as one clearly does not; garner sales without effective marketing and advertising. "s    F I admit that what I have quoted above is 'challenging' (some might sayE imputent) - a somewhat different message was sent to carly. I'm quiteM? sure that given the recent HP accounting results and details of F internal allocation of costs, Marcello and Gorham can't be too pleasedB at the charges allocated to the Enterprise Systems Group, of whichB they are a part (look up the details in the Wall Street Journal orF other financial publication). I also would not be surprised if VMS wasB being charged 'advertising & marketing overhead' by corporate evenF though VMS is the beneficiary of nearly zero advertising and marketing: beyond the customer success .pdf's Kerry points us to from? time-to-time, the costs of adding the word 'OpenVMS' to a press @ release, and the occasional 'OpenVMS' sign at a tradeshow booth.  ? I know that many HP VMS employees will jump all over these lasttD statements, but look at it objectively....you're a big part of a bigC division at HP and are you and your product getting anywhere near a C fair share of the money devoted to the exposure of all HP products?f6 The answer is no. Why is that? Aren't you curious too?    	 [digress]t?  I mention the following as an analogy - when I think about VMSy> marketing and advertising, I often come back to thinking aboutC Porsche - another low-volume product. A manufacturer of performancel? vehicle with a certain cachet that has been carefully nurtured,s< marketed, and advertised over nearly 40 years - "There is no substitute".  B No they don't dominate the market of all automobiles, but arguablyB they do dominate their segment. But they do so via advertising andF marketing and having a high quality product. VMS, despite its quality,E comes no where near to dominating the segment of the market it claims A to be in - which I define as mission-critical computing for *all*'F business segments, not just stock exchanges and the few other examples that are trotted out.   F Potential customers have to be told of the benefits of VMS just in the? same way as potential customers of Porsche are told of the that$E marque's benefits. Arguably there is no rational reason for a PorscheoE 911 to exist, so one might say that a Porsche is a discretionary itemeC and the advertising is different, to which I'd say that once you've C made up your mind that you are in that market category (however you D make that decision, it's usually influence by advertising), then you? are fair game for all the other advertising that explains why aaB Porsche 911 is better than having a BMW M5, or why VMS is a better> choice than HP-UX or Solaris or Linux or Windows, for business critical computing.c
 [/digress]      F In any event he got the automated response from carly's autoresponder,: "They have been forwarded to the appropriate people within< Hewlett-Packard for their information or action. Should more< clarification or information be needed, you may be contactedA directly."   Nothing has been heard from Marcello and Gorham yet.e  D Now in fairness, it's only been just over a week, and they certainly@ have their agendas booked further in advance than that, and it'sD possible that they are on vacation, ill with flu, or any one of manyE legitimate reasons not to respond in this short a timeframe. Or maybeg/ they choose not to respond to a small customer.e  ? Maybe there is a 'big' (proportionate to sales? to revenues? to E aspirations for the future?) campaign for VMS in the works, or it may E just be that there will never be any advertising & marketing in VMS'se future.3    F I just wanted to let everyone here know that I will be keeping you allE informed on a weekly basis, or sooner, of any responses received from . carly and her minions, or Marcello, or Gorham.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:41:20 -0500t, From: "Darrell Ross" <rossdj33@localnet.com>* Subject: VMS and Oracle 8.1.7 RMAN problem/ Message-ID: <v9drtj6uv1u65b@corp.supernews.com>   J I am running Alpha VMS 7.2-1 with Oracle 8.1.7.  Can we use RMAN to backup oracle directly to tape?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:51:19 GMT ' From: Steve Thompson <smt@vgersoft.com>R: Subject: Re: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles AreaI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304110741240.3027-100000@honker.vgersoft.com>   - On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, David J. Dachtera wrote:t   > Steve Thompson wrote:s' > > On 10 Apr 2003, Ken Robinson wrote: K > > > I recieved the folloing email about a position in the Los Angeles, CAoI > > > area, which I can not apply for since I live in NJ. :-( The rate isuM > > > about $60/hour. The "major entertainment studio" mentioned in the ad isr > > > Sony Entertaintment. > > > [...]sL > > I think that you must have missed off a multipler there; $60/hour is not' > > good in East Podunk, never mind LA.l > > > In today's IT climate, that's about as good as it gets, man.  G I must admit to being somewhat surprised at the several responses to myhH comment.  Maybe I haven't been paying sufficient attention to the marketC lately. I do know someone (not me) who was offered around that mucheF recently for a permanent VMS-only job in NYC, and turned it down to goI elsewhere for less. I certainly would not take that amount for a contractyE position if it meant having to live in NYC (DC, maybe, in a different G climate). Even in the markets that I am more familiar with, in New YorksF but well out of the city, it is considerably less than the going rate.   Stevel   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 06:48:45 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)L Subject: VMS Engineering quality standards, was: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN3 Message-ID: <sEiV9AesU0co@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <b75s8j$90$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes: > $ > Pity V0200 & V0300 were such dogs.K > I got badly bitten by another, vms73_sys05, last November, and have been  H > shy of patches since (vms731_sys02 was similar). vms73_sys05 is still G > broken, still shipping, and still "to be installed by all customers".. > N > They seem to be heading the way of Microsoft - can we get back to quality ?? >   J I am glad that somebody else has commented on this, because the quality ofH work coming out of VMS Engineering, especially in regard to patches, has$ also been concerning me for a while.  F I know that there have always been bad patch kits, but instead of themI been the occasional oneoffs, they seem to have increased in frequency and-K sometimes are really simple errors, for example: releasing a patch kit thatcG replaces APB.EXE without running WRITEBOOT. Nice emulation of Microsoftt quality. :-(  M And just in case it's not obvious, one of the things that keeps VMS customerse) _as_ VMS customers is the quality of VMS.l  * What is happening within VMS Engineering ?   Simon.   -- fB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 05:28:46 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)oL Subject: Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around3 Message-ID: <mo9y$W5amYte@eisner.encompasserve.org>   z In article <Lh-dnfcTbuffQwijXTWcpw@speakeasy.net>, "David A. Cornelson" <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> writes:  L > So the $75 for a user group membership and then getting a hobbyist license > is the cheapest way to go...  A No, $0 for a lower level user group membership and then getting arA hobbyist license is the cheapest way to go.  VMS Development made D sure in their agreement with DECUS that "associate" type memberships1 would also be eligible for the hobbyist licenses.d   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 07:52:21 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)eL Subject: Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around3 Message-ID: <6KyEEBBB5pur@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  z In article <ee6dnQK06sheTwijXTWcqw@speakeasy.net>, "David A. Cornelson" <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> writes:K > I'm looking for a toy box - for hobby stuff....and hopefully a legitimatesH > VMS license with it? Is that asking too much or are licenses something > people sell separately?@ > @ > I've heard machines can be found for free or very inexpensive.  H    And for hobby stuff, the license is free.  See the FAQ for a pointer.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 08:00:46 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) L Subject: Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0304110700.6cff20e0@posting.google.com>   1 As an old time DEC person I have a bit of advice.,   Always mount a scratch monkey!  D This is a great story and I sure this newsgroup could write this far better than me.  So have at it.P   suen     "David A. Cornelson" <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> wrote in message news:<ee6dnQK06sheTwijXTWcqw@speakeasy.net>...\K > I'm looking for a toy box - for hobby stuff....and hopefully a legitimateaH > VMS license with it? Is that asking too much or are licenses something > people sell separately?e > @ > I've heard machines can be found for free or very inexpensive. >  > ?d > 	 > David C    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2003 06:06:58 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)' Subject: Re: wasd http server and cobols= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304110506.3e67847b@posting.google.com>e   winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A1E31B.B5174CB6@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...k > =In article <d7791aa1.0304101748.6612cdcb@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:rX > >Georgi Kozinakov <gk@mt.net.mk> wrote in message news:<3E959C87.3070909@mt.net.mk>...= > >> On my microvax (VMS 7.2.1) is installed WASD web server.o5 > >> There are two programmers working only in Cobol.h> > >> I'd like to enable some of their programs to be installed< > >> permanently and to read/get from a web client, find theC > >> needed data in a RMS indexed file somewhere in the directoriesy@ > >> other than http root (ht_root) and finaly write/post to the# > >> client the needed information.m > >> Any ideas?c6 > >> Also, how to set the security of the whole thing? > >> N > >> Thanks, > >> George$ > >8B > >everyone forgot to tell you about cgi variable parsing/passing!? > >Purveyor/Apache have routines that parse cgi variables whichr: > >then can be retrieved the lib$getsymbol dcl command ...? > >if you have your dcl front end script parse the cgi variblest? > >and redirect sys$output/sys$input and then run your exe, the < > >exec needs only to retrieve the logicals/symbols and open= > >and output channel to TT: and everything else is data withh > >embedded html ... > H > I actually agree 100% with Bob here.   I'll only add that OSU and WASDH > have the same support.  (I'm not sure about that channel to TT: ratherK > than SYS$OUTPUT, but that's also fixable in a DCL wrapper for a program.)- > 	 > -- Alan   A TT: is what DIBOL uses for sys$output ... cobol may use somethingj else ... same idea ...   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.200 ************************