1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 12 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 202       Contents:5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!  Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit   Re: Disappearing CR/LF in editor, Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected, Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected, Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected, Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected, Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected, Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected
 Flash player?  Re: Flash player? 4 Re: Hewlett-Packard First in Online Customer Respect Re: HP, P&G, Ericsson  Re: HP, P&G, Ericsson  Re: HP, P&G, Ericsson  Re: HP, P&G, Ericsson ! Re: last-accessed date/time field # Library Browsing CGI: Modularian.pl ' Re: Library Browsing CGI: Modularian.pl  Re: looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work Re: looking for VMS work Re: Memory for Alpha 800 Re: Memory for Alpha 800 Re: Memory for Alpha 800 Re: Memory for Alpha 800' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar 5 Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licensing - what is it all about " Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP( Re: RL0? Can someone tell me what it is?( Re: RL0? Can someone tell me what it is?8 Search engine for Decus L&T and Freeware disk content... Re: Serial connection to VAX Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMS TPU: SHOW BUFFER code  Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code  Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code  Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code  Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code  Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code  Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?1 Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report 1 Re: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles Area C Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around  Re: wasd http server and cobol  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:03:36 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> > Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!' Message-ID: <3E9838D8.D1CEF060@fsi.net>    Bart Zorn wrote: > > > To all who are concerned about the use of the word "legacy": > H > In the Conference Program Committee we have kind of agreed to disagree
 > about this.  > : > The word "legacy" is used without any negative intention  H Rather like trying to us the word "shit" without any negative intention.E In as much as common usage has made it less unacceptable, it is still   vulgar and distasteful language.   > and based onB > what the word actually means in the Industry: older systems with > limited industry support.   ! In what way is that not negative?   C > In the brochure we do not mean to denote anything from Digital as # > legacy, in the sense of obsolete.     G Unfortunately, that is *EXACTLY* how "the industry" reads it: obsolete,  deprecated, etc.  & > On the contrary: we encourage anyoneF > who has an interest in any of the older Digital technologies to comeH > to Amsterdam and talk about those technologies! The term has been used7 > to emphasize that we consider these topics important.   H Indeed, that is what the word legacy is intended to mean. Unfortunately,F as has been echoed many times here in c.o.v., "legacy" is equated withB "past its time", "valueless", "unworthy of taking forward into new ventures", ...  F > That being said, I believe that we better avoid using this word next > year.   E That being said, a(n apparently) large contingent here believe it had G *DAMNED* well better be dropped from the current literature, regardless  of the expense.   G ...but then, the marketing folks know *SO* much more than we do. That's H why billboards, bus cards, bus benches, magazines, the electronic media,< etc. are just PLASTERED with OpenVMS-related adverts, right?  @ > Next year somebody might start using it for the HP 3000 family; > of systems and who knows what trouble that might give us!   @ *THIS* year, someone *ELSE* may decide to usurp the "VMS" and/orE "OpenVMS" trademark (as has been documented here in this ng) figuring A that HP has no interest in protecting this "legacy" property, and D therefore will not challenge such usurpations (either that, or folks6 just don't know how to research trade marks anymore).   H Guess HP's legal folks are just as apathetic toward VMS as the marketingF folks. (Hhmmm... Wonder if that means I could publish a Hobbyist's SPL without fear of prosecution?)   & > I hope to meet you all in Amsterdam!  0 Not likely, but Atlanta is a remote possibility.  C > Would it be a good idea to organize a BOF session for comp.os.vms . > denizens? Just to meet each other in person?  ( Hoff usually does one in the U.S., IIRC.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:14:00 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit' Message-ID: <3E983B48.567FA4DE@fsi.net>    Michael Unger wrote: > - > "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote:  > O > > > Don't see a dowload for this on their site. Anyone know where I can get a  > > > copy for W2K.  > > H > > Sorry -- a few rotten eggs ruined the whole deal.  There are severalB > > commercial installations running the Hobbyist version.  So, no > > downloads. > > E > > CHARON-VAX resellers can set up an evaluation kit for prospective  > > customers. > + > I guess you are wrong here, Stanley. See:  > 0 > http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/index.htm >  > and search for "picoVAX" ...  H "picoVAX" provides no network support (probably, specifically to prevent@ commercial use) and so may not constitute a valid "evaluation").   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:42:36 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ) Subject: Re: Disappearing CR/LF in editor ' Message-ID: <3E9833EC.D1F525B1@fsi.net>    Bill Hobbs wrote:  > e > "Poiter" <johan@noway.not> wrote in message news:<3e8da426$0$29727$4d4ebb8e@read.news.nl.uu.net>... " > > File organization:  Sequential > P > > Record format:      VFC, 2 byte header, maximum 100 bytes, longest 100 bytes3 > > Record attributes:  Print file carriage control  > L > > We also tried a fdl conversion, but that didn't work. Also, when doing aP > > type /output=newfile , in the newfile the cr/lf is also gone. We also calledI > > support and they didn't have a solution, but did know of the problem.  > H > A similar thread, "Convert question - DCPS printing", 2000 Aug 23, for& > which I posted a conversion program:E > http://www.google.com/groups?selm=8o63gl%24qh5%241%40nnrp1.deja.com   H On the computer at work (which is a laptop now, and sitting beside me onB the desk here at home for the weekend), I have a DEC BASIC programD having to do with VFC files that someone posted to Google within theF last, oh, two or three years. If I can find it, I'll repost it if it'sE relevant, or perhaps even if it's not - I seem to recall that it's to ! write a VFC file, not to read it.   D If anyone still has a working DSNlink, try searching for appropriateC keywords and see if there's any notes under either VAX BASIC or DEC F BASIC about how to read/process VFC files in BASIC. I'm thinking maybeG the FSP$ built-in function (now largely deprecated, IIRC) had functions ; to retrieve such info as the contents of the record header.   F ...then again, a true masochist might try to do block-I/O QIOs in yourC language of choice and try to interpret the record header yourself.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:14:03 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected 0 Message-ID: <00A1E44B.913E9BDD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <3E9724DB.A2DAD3FB@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>  M >> Will somebody inside of VMS engineering please alert the folks running the L >> hpma910.external.hp.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.3 system that emails are being >> rejected with error 554.  > H >Are you sending from an SMTP server that is on a RBL ? At one pointy, I  >couldn't send to HP.com either.  + I don't think that my domain is on any RBL.     N >Hint: try sending to compaq.com they have different anti-spam settings (or at! >least they had a few months ago)    S.O.S.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:21:19 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected 0 Message-ID: <00A1E44C.94F592A7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <JUBla.689$Wx5.664@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Geoff Graves" <geoff.graves@hp.com> writes: " >Fault has been reported.  Thanks.  F Reporting a problem without any active effort employed to correct said) fault is a exercise in absolute futility.   F Sent another email to you Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 07:18:17 -0400 and itE too was rejected.  In fact, it would appear that *anything* I send to G HP.COM/Compaq.com is rejected.  Do you have an email account on another  domain?    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:09:37 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 5 Subject: Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected = Message-ID: <R_Vla.26049$D31.2810639@news1.news.adelphia.net>    VAXman- wrote:d > In article <3E9724DB.A2DAD3FB@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > # >>VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >>M >>>Will somebody inside of VMS engineering please alert the folks running the L >>>hpma910.external.hp.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.3 system that emails are being >>>rejected with error 554.  >>I >>Are you sending from an SMTP server that is on a RBL ? At one pointy, I ! >>couldn't send to HP.com either.  > - > I don't think that my domain is on any RBL.   6 A quick check with http://www.samspade.org shows that H mail(dot)tmesis(dot)com is totally clean and is set up correctly with a  valid rDNS on the mail server.    I I do not think that VAXman is the only one affected by this, and I would  F agree that having the e-mail broken for this length of time at HP.COM  really bad.     I I am not sure where the e-mail servers are.  They are not managed by the   OpenVMS Engineering group.  F If I were at the office, the only thing that I could do is log a call G with the e-mail support people, which has already been done by someone  C else according to their post.  Someone with more senority may have  ( better contacts for getting things done.    H Please be aware that sometimes postings from comp.os.vms to or from the G internal hp news server can be delayed by 24 hours or more.  So it can  I take a day before someone sees a posting, and another day before you see   their response.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:18:52 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 5 Subject: Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected ' Message-ID: <3E984A7C.8B5687D2@fsi.net>    "John E. Malmberg" wrote:  > [snip]J > I am not sure where the e-mail servers are.  They are not managed by the > OpenVMS Engineering group.  C I'm sure it's safe to assume that dumb looks and/or responses would H abound if you asked the folks managing the e-mail servers what VMS is...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:50:02 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 5 Subject: Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected ' Message-ID: <3E9843BA.718B69BB@fsi.net>    John Smith wrote:  > . > <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message, > news:00A1E3BF.2F4C4CDC@SendSpamHere.ORG...B > > In article <gavd9v83cub4fvcml5reqooh8aggdgi0bl@4ax.com>, Steve) > Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> writes: H > > >On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:34:18 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > >  > > > D > > >> 554 <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: Client host rejected: Access denied > > > C > > >My guess is that this is HP's ineffective spam filter at work.  > ThisC > > >is the error you get when the HP mail server decides that your 	 > sending E > > >server is on the blocklist it uses.  Very confusing and not very F > > >helpful, not to mention that whatever it is they're doing doesn't > cut B > > >down on spam to any significant degree, if my HP inbox is any > > >indication. > > F > > Considering all of the unsolicited crap that I now get from HP, it+ > > is HP who should be on the "blocklist"!  > > G > > I'd like to see this "blocklist" and I'd like to know why my domain H > > is upon it.  I suppose they don't want to keep the few VMS customers > > they still have? > F > Same reason anyone who raises concerns about the Iraq war is labeledH > 'unpatriotic' - complain about the authority or its abuse or direction > and you're blacklisted.   E Given what the troops have been discovering in Iraq, what regime does  that sound like?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:24:56 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected 0 Message-ID: <00A1E47F.612A253B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <3E984A7C.8B5687D2@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >"John E. Malmberg" wrote:	 >> [snip] K >> I am not sure where the e-mail servers are.  They are not managed by the  >> OpenVMS Engineering group.  > D >I'm sure it's safe to assume that dumb looks and/or responses wouldI >abound if you asked the folks managing the e-mail servers what VMS is...   E Probably wouldn't if you asked them via email... Of course, the email  will probably be bounced.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:05:43 +0200 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>  Subject: Flash player?4 Message-ID: <3e97e4ea$0$28343$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  ( No I did not find the answer in the FAQ.8 Can Flash animation be played on my PWS running MOZ 1.3? How? Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:04:11 GMT 4 From: Craig A. Berry <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> Subject: Re: Flash player?@ Message-ID: <42161e88498a04c32328cd5336a3dcdf@news.teranews.com>  ? In <3e97e4ea$0$28343$626a54ce@news.free.fr> PRSTSC::DTL  wrote: : > Can Flash animation be played on my PWS running MOZ 1.3? > How?  2 With the plug-in available from the plug-ins page:  G <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/cswb_plugins.html>    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:56:48 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> = Subject: Re: Hewlett-Packard First in Online Customer Respect ' Message-ID: <3E984550.796860FB@fsi.net>    Keith Parris wrote:  > H > A recent study found HP in first place in online customer interaction: > A > "The study ...  assigns a Customer Respect Index (CRI) to each H > company.  The Customer Respect Index is a qualitative and quantitativeB > in-depth analysis and independent measure of a customer's online> > experience when interacting with companies via the Internet. > ... A > The highest ranked organization within the High-tech sector was % > Hewlett Packard at 9.7 (out of 10)"  > F > http://www.nwd42.com/offer/cust_respect/collateral/HighTechW03PR.pdf  7 This money would have been better spent on VMS adverts.   F Paying consultants to tell malcontents, "See? We told you!" is futile,7 at best, and a *HUGE* waste of money at the very least.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:17:53 +0100 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>  Subject: Re: HP, P&G, Ericsson? Message-ID: <b0f7efe14b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   + In message <3E977A9D.6070204@tsoft-inc.com> 3           David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:    > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > I > > In article <_bEla.2795$BQi.597@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, * > > 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > > F > >>But using VMS where possible could offer reduced system management > >>head-count,  > >> > > F > > Funny how I keep hearing this but I have at least twice the number@ > > of servers and 1/4 the manpower of the Datacenters VMS shop. > >  > > bill >  > 9 > Maybe the datacenter is practicing 'zero unemployment'.  > P > VMS doesn't need any daily operations staff, unless you set things up to need L > such.  I'll go out on a limb here and state, to my knowledge, there is no Q > commercial OS available today that needs less staff than a properly set up VMS  R > system.  Maybe emphasize PROPERLY SET UP, which does take significant skill and  > knowledge.  3 Certainly that was always my aim. Our staffing was:   J VMS - me. 6 servers handling mail and the shop floor applications. I spentJ about 80% of my time dealing with the network wiring around the site, i.e.C new hubs, and structured wiring installations as the buildings were  refurbished.  3 Unix - One dedicated person, 8 design workstations.   C Windows - 6 servers, 600PCs, 4 overworked and stressed individuals.   9 My motto - "Why have a computer and do your own thinking"    Alan   >  >  > Hey, shipped cables today. >  >  > Dave >  >    --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Apr 2003 13:26:27 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP, P&G, Ericsson5 Message-ID: <b79463$cetsd$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   = In article <cf15391e.0304111403.7946f1ef@posting.google.com>, 4 	keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:T > Brad Hughes <brad@tgsmc.com> wrote in message news:<3E96FCF6.1070908@tgsmc.com>...J >> http://www.smartmoney.com/bn/ON/index.cfm?story=ON-20030411-000371-1122 >> >> Any VMS in these contracts? > 3 > Well, I know that at least P&G has VMS systems.     ? That would be a surprise to me.  My sister works for P&G and at . least in her plant it is all Windows and HPUX.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:39:33 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: Re: HP, P&G, Ericsson) Message-ID: <3E984145.9070002@vajhoej.dk>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:A > That would be a surprise to me.  My sister works for P&G and at 0 > least in her plant it is all Windows and HPUX.  8 Considering the size of P&G, then I am not sure'that one) plant with Win and HPUX proves that much.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:00:15 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: HP, P&G, Ericsson' Message-ID: <3E98461F.48A1175F@fsi.net>    Keith Parris wrote:  > [snip]+ > I'm told VMS services provide $2B/year in E > revenues, which is about 2.5% of HP's total revenues.  Last results @ > had total HP service revenues at about $9B annually, so VMS is1 > obviously a very important part of HP Services.     Is HP management aware of this?   4 Outward indications seem to imply that they are not.  G ...and "killing the golden goose" is not at all unheard of in corporate  circles.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 04:35:25 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field6 Message-ID: <1030412043207.15698A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  . On 11 Apr 2003 briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  c > In article <ugqd9vgr5kvtf2ntdfip6rjmmamcubi8us@4ax.com>, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes: < > > On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:46:14 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig/ > > <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:  > > N > >>> I still don't understand why, as suggested by another poster, that usingI > >>> the modification date of the directory file wouldn't be better. The L > >>> expiration date of the directory will be changed when the directory is* > >>> read as well as when it is written.  > >>J > >>The modified date of the directory file is not (always) changed when a, > >>file is added to the directory.  Try it! > > S > > Well, that may be because of the specific settings you have for the minimum and P > > maximum retentions on the disk volume -- is that possible? It's been a whileR > > since I've looked at this, but the value for min and max are selected to avoidR > > high overhead in maintaining the expiration date. Typically, if you set them aQ > > day apart for example, the expiration date is only updated once a day (IIRC).  > B > The volume settings for _expiration date_ have very little to doE > with how the _modification date_ is affected when you create a file  > in a directory.  > H > The expiration date is updated (within the bounds given by min and max- > retention period) when a directory is used.  > F > The modification date is not (usually) updated when a directory fileB > is modified in the course of a file creation, deletion or rename > operation. >  > 	John Briggs  B The directory's modification date is changed when the directory is> extended or shrinks as a result of creating or deleting files.  A If there is free space in a directory, files can often be created  without extending it.   C Directories only shrink when a block in the directory is completely A empty.  When it shrinks, all the blocks after the empty block are = moved up one block, the "IN USE" size is decremented, and the  modification date is updated.    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2003 06:18:53 -0700) From: munroe@csworks.com (Richard Munroe) , Subject: Library Browsing CGI: Modularian.pl< Message-ID: <8d09fa7.0304120518.5289aecf@posting.google.com>  C I had a need to browse and download modules from VMS libraries so I D wrote a little CGI for WASD in Perl.  It's environment neutral (CGI,F CGIplus, Perl RTE) and does what I want.  I find it handy so I thoughtA I'ld share it.  Right now it's WASD specific.  If I have a little E spare time I'll bring up an OSU server again and see if I can make it B server neutral as well.  It does not replace Conan or Helpgate but> provides a different level of access.  Works for VAX and Alpha libraies as well.    You can download the CGI at:  1     http://www.csworks.com/download/modularian.pl   ? You can see it in action by browsing any of the olb/mlbs on the : Decus/Freeware collection.  Here's a pointer to a VAX OLB:  >     http://decus.acornsw.com/vs0114/lt89b1/arta/fpt/merlib.olb  C If you modify it, be a sport and let me know what and why so that I % can fold changes into my master copy.    Use it in good health.     Dick Munroe   + p.s. I'm looking for work.  My resume is at E http://www.csworks.com/resume, my CV (much more detailed but too long B for general distribution) is at http://www.csworks.com/cv.  Take aF look and if you have anything going on, drop me a note and lets see if we can work something out.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:58:27 GMT 4 From: Craig A. Berry <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>0 Subject: Re: Library Browsing CGI: Modularian.pl@ Message-ID: <19a8ed1f3b0059e69d64a0a5329c7837@news.teranews.com>  I In <8d09fa7.0304120518.5289aecf@posting.google.com> Richard Munroe wrote: E > I had a need to browse and download modules from VMS libraries so I ' > wrote a little CGI for WASD in Perl.    E Looks nifty.  You may want to check out the VMS::Librarian module on  G CPAN.  It could save you the overhead of spawning a process to extract  K library modules since it uses the LBR$ utility routines for that purpose.   B On the other hand, its version number is 0.01 so I'm not sure how  complete or robust it is.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:20:11 +0100 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> ! Subject: Re: looking for VMS work ? Message-ID: <c92df0e14b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   2 In message <59icnUdjTbZt3wqjXTWcow@brightview.com>D           "covendotartdottalk21dotcom" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote:  H > "Alan Adams" <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message; > news:444a8be14b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk... 6 > > In message <2PmcnXLRv7FPVwujXTWcog@brightview.com>H > >           "covendotartdottalk21dotcom" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote: > >  > > > L > > > "Alan Adams" <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message? > > > news:38bd76e14b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk... N > > > > p.s. Anyone interested in a very experienced VMS system manager in the > > > > Midlands?  > > > J > > > Prepared to relocate to Berkshire?   Prepared to go on call?  We may > have3 > > > a vacancy coming up in the next month or two.  > > N > > I'd prefer not to relocate, but some parts of Berkshire are reachable from: > > Northampton. I'd be interested in details as and when. > K > Not really sure about how the posts are advertised, but I think it has to L > be done internally first of all, and possibly for X amount of time, before" > it can be advertised externally. > L > As soon as we've got confirmation of retaining the head count, and as soon@ > as it can be "advertised" externally, I'll email you directly. >  >    Thanks very much.    Alan   --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Apr 2003 13:18:53 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: looking for VMS work 5 Message-ID: <b793ns$cetsd$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   9 In article <gTGla.93$nU1.1@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, % 	"Rolona" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:   $ Two things I wish to comment on.....    > My opinion for what its worth. > C > Soon, not sure when, old professionals will be in serious demand.   A A short while ago I read a couple of articles about IBM having to D go out and hire (usually on a contract basis) people it had forciblyE retired several years earlier.  And usually at much higher rates than E what they had been earning when they were deemed to expensive to keep G on.  Why, you ask?  Because IBM was finding out that the young, cheaper D replacements lacked the skill set needed to match the performance of* the older, experienced people.  Go figure.     > H > There has been a few years of managing important system using cheaper,L > younger amateurs. If the companies that have adopted this attitude fail toG > make a serious investment in new technology and migrate their systems L > professionally (which is unlikely because they have cut the corners in the: > first place) we will start to see what I call DISASTERS. > K > The amateurs will have to walk out because they simply don't know what to  > do.    And, now number two.....  H Amateurs is a good way to describe them.  Many people are looking at theG really high un-employment figures inthe US in the IT area and saying it J is a sign of the state of the economy.  Actually, this isn't exactly true.F What you are actually seeing isyet more fallout from the dot-com bust.K During the dot-com boom every kid with a Linux box became a "professional". H When the whole thing colapsed (as it was destined to from the beginning)G all these totally untrained and unskilled kids got dumped into the pool I of the unemployed, all claiming to be IT professionals, resulting in what E appeared to be a complete colapse of the IT job market.  In fact, for K people who actually have the credentials jobs do still exist.  For example, I a visit to the Careers page of Lockheed-Martin reveals 250 jobs under the I heading of Information Technology for experienced professionals (and even I a couple cwdirectly targeting recent college graduates, although there is N nothing wrong with recent grads trying to compete for the other jobs as well.)E And, no, these jobs will not show up on monster.com or dice.com. Most E serious, big-time companies have their own HR departments and are not I about to pay someone else to find candidates for them.  Oh yeah, that was G just under one catagory.  There are also jobs separately under hardware I engineering, software engineering and systems engineering.  Having worked H for them when they were Martin Marietta, I would vouch for their being a7 pretty decent place to work.  I often regret moving on.    And others: >   Raytheon "information and (systems or technology)"  204 jobs&   HP  "Information Technology" 44 jobs(   HP  "Research and Development" 39 jobs)   Boeing "Information Technology" 25 jobs -   Boeing "Computing Delivery Systems" 18 jobs   D In just a few minutes I was able to find over 500 potential IT jobs.C And I only targetted one sector of the industry (the one I was most A familiar with prior to entering academia.) And, only 4 companies.   G So, don't loose hope, but also, think about how you are going about the G search.  Some of the more common ways may not be the best.  But, sadly, * I can only vouch for the market in the US.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:19:36 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: looking for VMS work G Message-ID: <s0Xla.12834$jVh.4513@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   9 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message / news:b793ns$cetsd$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de... ; > In article <gTGla.93$nU1.1@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, & > "Rolona" <nospam@nospam.com> writes: > & > Two things I wish to comment on..... > " > > My opinion for what its worth. > > E > > Soon, not sure when, old professionals will be in serious demand.  > C > A short while ago I read a couple of articles about IBM having to F > go out and hire (usually on a contract basis) people it had forciblyB > retired several years earlier.  And usually at much higher rates thanB > what they had been earning when they were deemed to expensive to keepA > on.  Why, you ask?  Because IBM was finding out that the young,  cheaper F > replacements lacked the skill set needed to match the performance of, > the older, experienced people.  Go figure.    A An older friend of mine is in exactly this position, with another E extremely large technology vendor. He was laid off about 5 months ago D and has now been 'solicited' by his former employer to come back and< support several customers who have a very specialized bit ofE hardware/software that was built in extremely low quantities and sold @ only to extremely large customers with very unique requirements.  B Seems that the knowledge base required to effectively support this> piece of gear can only be acquired over many years of hands-onA experience, which he has, and which the newbie on the job doesn't  have.   D They are offering to top-up his pension plan to make it as though heE was never laid-off, and to pay him $150/hr. for the next year ( about A $315k) based on a full-time commitment on his part. Before he was ( laid-off, he was making $80k. Go figure.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:15:57 -0500u1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>V! Subject: Re: looking for VMS workC' Message-ID: <3E9849CD.2F778B69@fsi.net>@   John Smith wrote:e > [snip]F > They are offering to top-up his pension plan to make it as though heG > was never laid-off, and to pay him $150/hr. for the next year ( aboutGC > $315k) based on a full-time commitment on his part. Before he wasd* > laid-off, he was making $80k. Go figure.  E Now, dilute that $150/hr with health insurance costs, self-employmenteF taxes and other business related expenses, self and dependent life andE dependent health care insurance, etc. and you may be surprised at the  results.   -- i David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/f   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:16:51 +0200y6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>! Subject: Re: Memory for Alpha 800w) Message-ID: <3E9803B3.1050406@vajhoej.dk>e   Dave Gudewicz wrote:I > Got an Alpha 800/333 at work from another group.  Opened the lid and no?L > memory.  As far as I can tell, its 168-pin, 3.3v EDO and ECC DIMM.  Need 4: > at a time to fill a bank.  There are 2 banks in the 800. > H > Memory part # from SOC is:  PB8MA-A(C-G)  C-G=64MB to 1GB in the usual
 > increments.  > L > Anyone know if this memory is commonly available?  A google search came upM > with a number of hits, most w/DEC or Compaq probably because of the part #.r > < > Might the ECC take it out of the commonly available realm?   Try look at www.hpaq.net !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:20:38 +0200-6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>! Subject: Re: Memory for Alpha 800 ) Message-ID: <3E980496.8070609@vajhoej.dk>f   Dave Gudewicz wrote:I > Got an Alpha 800/333 at work from another group.  Opened the lid and noEL > memory.  As far as I can tell, its 168-pin, 3.3v EDO and ECC DIMM.  Need 4: > at a time to fill a bank.  There are 2 banks in the 800. > H > Memory part # from SOC is:  PB8MA-A(C-G)  C-G=64MB to 1GB in the usual
 > increments.i > L > Anyone know if this memory is commonly available?  A google search came upM > with a number of hits, most w/DEC or Compaq probably because of the part #.e > < > Might the ECC take it out of the commonly available realm?  B I checked on www.hpaq.net - I could not find AS800, but AS1200 was, listed with 256MB for 219 and 512MB for 399.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 09:43:01 -0400g, From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>! Subject: Re: Memory for Alpha 800L/ Message-ID: <v9g66cn9eea683@news.supernews.com>c  5 AS800 memory is quoted on a "request for quote" basish3 as EDO ECC Buffered memory is volatile pricing-wiseo  = Please advise mem size and email address - we'll send a quoteh   Davids   -- David B Turner Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404w Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 2010402 http://www.islandco.comc dbturner@islandco.com     1 "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net> wrote in messageu) news:v9er6ecumt1l51@corp.supernews.com...wI > Got an Alpha 800/333 at work from another group.  Opened the lid and no L > memory.  As far as I can tell, its 168-pin, 3.3v EDO and ECC DIMM.  Need 4: > at a time to fill a bank.  There are 2 banks in the 800. >cH > Memory part # from SOC is:  PB8MA-A(C-G)  C-G=64MB to 1GB in the usual
 > increments.  >*L > Anyone know if this memory is commonly available?  A google search came upJ > with a number of hits, most w/DEC or Compaq probably because of the part #. >i< > Might the ECC take it out of the commonly available realm? > --3 > A mind is like a parachute, works best when open,g >g >    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2003 09:08:17 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)! Subject: Re: Memory for Alpha 800h= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304120808.383990ab@posting.google.com>   ] "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net> wrote in message news:<v9er6ecumt1l51@corp.supernews.com>...sI > Got an Alpha 800/333 at work from another group.  Opened the lid and nocL > memory.  As far as I can tell, its 168-pin, 3.3v EDO and ECC DIMM.  Need 4: > at a time to fill a bank.  There are 2 banks in the 800. > H > Memory part # from SOC is:  PB8MA-A(C-G)  C-G=64MB to 1GB in the usual
 > increments.  > L > Anyone know if this memory is commonly available?  A google search came upM > with a number of hits, most w/DEC or Compaq probably because of the part #.  > < > Might the ECC take it out of the commonly available realm?  ? call Dave at Island computers ... also try Qestec ... we bought/ 1gb banks for $450 each ...-   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:10:42 -0500a1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>O0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar' Message-ID: <3E983A82.9F18EEA6@fsi.net>    "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > / > On 11 Apr 2003 at 18:24, Michael Unger wrote:sF > > I still don't understand why this emulator is running on a WinwoesJ > > platform (letting aside the Alpha version) and not based on a reliable > > real-time OS.s > F > It's a disgusting thought, but many customers *want* Windows.  These" > people tend to be non-technical. > E > If you want a very reliable host OS, CHARON-VAX also runs under VMS 7 > on Alpha.  Surely you can't complain about that   ;-)r  7 NOW - here's the $64,000,000 question in this category:c  F Does an emulated VAX running on a licensed VMS system on an Alpha need? an OpenVMS-VAX base license? (I.e., twice license the expense?)-  G ...or is that included in/by the underlying OpenVMS-Alpha base license?i   -- r David J. DachteraP dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:39:18 -0500R1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n> Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licensing - what is it all about' Message-ID: <3E984136.35E5A695@fsi.net>b   Alan Adams wrote:e > [snip] > 2 Log on to www.montagar.com,   4 More specifically, http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/  + > click the LICENSE button and fill in youru > details. i  F It's labelled "$ LICENSE REGISTER", though the VMS newbie may not know. what that refers to. LMF is VERY VMS-specific.  D Again, Montagar has been having ISP problems and has been repeatedlyG attacked by a spam-bomber. So, if at first you don't succeed - try, try  again.   -- d David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/2   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Apr 2003 07:17 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) + Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPD- Message-ID: <12APR200307175336@gerg.tamu.edu>h  4 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes... }Carl Perkins wrote:G }> Why? The recipient must be specified before the body of the message. G }> If it is a VMS SMTP server, why shouldn't it immediately look up theaJ }> user (in the VMS specific way) to verify the validity of the addressee? } O }I guess it could start the callable mail stuff immediatly and verify usernamesrO }and bounce them. However, this does have security implications since it allowsg8 }someone to test for existance of a username on a node.   J It's trivial to test anyway, if messages to nonexistnat users are bounced.H Doing it early just saves your server from the extra load of reading theG body of the message before it checks, and then trying to bounce it backt afterwards.w  K }And there are probably some performance implications of initiating all theoN }varous links to the destination mailboxes. As well, when the SMTO server acts- }as a relay, it can't really check the names.j  1 Well, yeah. But it can check for local addresses.e   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Apr 2003 07:24 CDTF' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)m+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPS- Message-ID: <12APR200307241576@gerg.tamu.edu>d  + Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes...n( }So why couldn't SMTP service do a quick }	mail> show forw/user=*/allI }during SMTP startup and use that list as a reference, rejecting all thatSG }do not appear under Username? Quick, easy and under the control of VMSe/ }mail running on the same node SMTP is running.R  C Because that would be silly. Instead it should just read the file -m9 all that info is stored in the VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA file..   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 01:33:27 -0700O3 From: Carl Nelson <carl.nelson@mcmail.maricopa.edu>s1 Subject: Re: RL0? Can someone tell me what it is?-3 Message-ID: <3E97CF56.7B5F9FD5@mcmail.maricopa.edu>m  I I also remember this being on our VAX-8650, it contained the initial boot H image as well as diagnostic standalone images and the general standaloneK boot image, mainly used for standalone backups and initial VMS installationF on the system.  L DSCS sounds vaguely (very vaguely) like an acronym that's bouncing around my head.a   D - Digitale S - ???n C - Customer S - Servicet   --Carl   John Travell wrote:1  + > <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in messaget; > news:OFDAD90134.D6132F4D-ON85256D05.00680F9D@metso.com...C > >mH > > I've unearthed a removable Pack about 18 inches in diameter with one > > platter in it. > > J > > It was DL0: A1 a system pack from spring of 1982.  The label says from > >        DSCS8.e > >i > >b > >a > > Is this an RL01 pack?- > >-J > Sounds likely, pull the blue handle to release the bottom cover, put theK > pack in the drive, turn the bottom cover upside down and put it on top ofj > the pack when in the drive.9 >1 > >6 > >w > > Is it from a PDP-8?  > >nK > Also used on PDP11's, had both Q-bus (RLV11) and Unibus (RL11) interfaces. > availabled >r > >> > >e > > What was the capacity? > >O' > An amazing 5Mb... the RL02 was 10Mb !f >S > -- > John Travell" > VMS crashdump expertise for hire > john@travell.uk.netP > http://www.travell.uk.net/ >s > ---i( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003t   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Apr 2003 13:30:17 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)1 Subject: Re: RL0? Can someone tell me what it is?a5 Message-ID: <b794d9$cetsd$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>A  L In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304111612110.14784-100000@localhost.localdomain>,# 	Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com> writes:H3 > On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:a >  >> sG >> I've unearthed a removable Pack about 18 inches in diameter with onew >> platter in it.t >> lD >> It was DL0: A1 a system pack from spring of 1982.  The label says >> froma >>        DSCS8. >> sF >> (The case is grey with a blue handle with a gray "| d | i | g | i | >> t | a | l |"  logo on it."t >> Is this an RL01 pack? > F > Probably an RL02.  All of the RL02s I saw had blue labels/handles.  G > All of the RL01s I saw had grey labels/handles.  Just to make sure weaC > are talking about the same thing:  The handle is in the middle.   D > Slide a thing on the handle sideways, then lift handle lever, pack  > pulls out of protective cover. >  >> Is it from a PDP-8? > F > I think PDP-8s were pretty rare by the time this stuff came out --- H > RL01s 1978, RL02s 1980.  I don't know if there was a PDP-8 controller D > for the RL drives.  They were common on PDP-11/34s and PDP-11/44s.  H Yep.  RL-8.  Covered in the same book as the 2 board QBUS and the UNIBUS controllers.   bill u   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   :   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2003 08:58:00 -0700) From: munroe@csworks.com (Richard Munroe)rA Subject: Search engine for Decus L&T and Freeware disk content...l< Message-ID: <8d09fa7.0304120758.6662edb7@posting.google.com>  A Is now available.  It's a little slow (the machine is an old dualO@ processor smp pc I had lieing around) but it works.  Pretty muchD everything that was text has been catalogued, source files, manuals,F notes, you name it.  I've found it enormously useful for locating realB live examples of system service calls in various languages, hints, etc.  % Anyway, you can get to the engine at::        http://freeware.acornsw.com/     http://decus.acornsw.com/i  F Only content local to my site has been indexed.  I'm more than willingC to download, burn, and index anything that you folks suggest.  Justl let me know what you want.  B Any suggestions as to improvements to the search interface, let me know.g   Dick Munroe   + p.s. I'm looking for work.  My resume is atiD http://www.csworks.com/resume and my CV (more detailed, but too longB for general distribution) is at http://www.csworks.com/cv.  Take a9 look and if it looks like theres a match lets discuss it.l   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Apr 2003 09:22:22 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com>% Subject: Re: Serial connection to VAX 0 Message-ID: <slrnb9fmme.ca.thierry@andro.family>   Hello!  E In article <v9f6jcl9jja042@corp.supernews.com>, Stuart Johnson wrote: J >> I've acquired 2 VAXen (1 VAXstation 3100 and 1 VAX 4000-300) and am nowG >> trying to install some OS on it (the goal would be OpenVMS - but for ( >> this I'd like to look at them first).F >> The VAXstation had a monitor with it, and thus worked quite nicely,E >> apart that to install something on it, I should have access to theMJ >> serial console!  Same for the VAX 4000-300, since it has no other means > K > It isn't necessary to use a serial console on a VAXstation; the graphicaleN > display (keyboard, mouse, monitor) will act as a console until OpenVMS bootsM > to the point it starts Motif. It scrolls agonizingly slow and doesn't alloweK > line editing other than DEL, but it DOES work. I've done this hundreds of  > times, perhaps thousands.   E ok... But the 4000-300 does need a serial console? And then since thenG VAXstation doesn't have a really big hard disk, I'd like to netboot it,d4 so the 4000-300 would have to act as a server there.  F >> that I know (I don't know if there is an OS on the latter, though).K >> Thus, I took a MMJ-to-MMJ cable and snapped one end away, and put a DB25aC >> end on it.  The pinouts should be OK, I checked this quite a few1 >> times...:G >> Then, I plugged the cable in (into the "printer" port and the serial:I >> port), switched the switch on the back of the VAXstation and started aI >> terminal on the other end.  > G > I'm confuser by this - why into the "printer" port? Also, how did you H > connect to the "printer" port AND the "serial" port? Can you provide aN > simple character art drawing? Is this the "printer" port on the 3100 and the > serial port on the PC?  # Sorry... I'll make a small drawing:n  )    SPARC                       VAXstations    +---+,    |   |                     +-------------+,    |   |---------------------|             |,    |   |                     +-------------+;    +---+                        ^-- has an MMJ console portc     ^-- Has a DB25 serial port  E I've plugged the cable into the serial port on the sparc and into thevB MMJ-port with a printer below it on the VAXstation (This is what IG understand from other postings, that the console port of the VAXstationnG is there?  There are two MMJ-ports, one with two arrows, and one with ae printer)  * >> I set it to 9600 8N1, protocol xon/xoffK >> (because IIRC, the communication with the VAX is directed with DTR?) ands/ >> full of tension, switched the VAXstation on.n > N > DEC equipment uses XON/XOFF, not DTR. DTR is hardware flow-control, XON/XOFFK > is in-band software flow control (uses DC1 and DC3 characters in the datan
 > stream).  E Oh...ok. I've tried just now again, to be sure. minicom stays offline G and kermit doesn't do anything... :( (with xon/xoff in kermit, software  flow control in minicom)  M > It sounds like you are using a PC with various terminal emulators to try toeL > connect to the VAXes. This is doable, but you do not use the parallel portL > on the PC or the DB25 on the VAXstation to do this. You will use a DEC MMJK > connector on one end, plug into the VAXstation console port (com1) and to-L > the serial port on the PC (com1 or com2, or whatever is setup on your PC).  , I think this is how it looks like here, yes.  G >> Something weird, too, is that I have the feeling that the VAXstationcF >> will only finish booting to the ">>>"-prompt when I plug in a looseE >> MMJ-cable into the serial port.  With loose I mean a MMJ-cable noth >> connected to anywhere.t > N > This is NOT right; it is not necessary to plug a terminal in to a VAXstationL > for it to boot if the boot settings are set to BOOT. The VAXstation cannotM > tell if a console is plugged in or not. A VAXstation can be set to halt (ata   ok...   L > the console prompt), or to boot on power on. It is up to the administratorA > to make these decisions. The same issues apply to the 4000-300.t  C At least when it's on monitor-mode, it boots automatically over theyD network.  But when it's on serial console mode, it doesn't fetch theA boot image (I've set up a temporarily netboot server with NetBSD)mD No idea what it is set to on the 4000-300, because I have never been able to get onto it.   > My suggestions - > L > 1) download, beg, or buy documentation for the systems. This will show you! > the ports for the console, etc.    I'll try to do thata  K > 2) borrow or purchase a known working serial cable to use between your PCi > and the VAXes.   as well :-)   H > 3) consider purchasing a DEC terminal. You can get them on eBay pretty> > cheap - $20-$100, with keyboard. PC keyboards will not work.  + ok... I do have a DEC keyboard here (LK201)4  M > 4) if you need additional help, please post the exact MODEL NUMBER for youryM > systems. This will be something like KA41..., KA42..., etc. This will allowaF > us to locate the correct manual and copy pages for you to reference.   ok...wO The VAXstation is a VAXstation M38, on the back it's written "Model WS42A", andT$ while booting it says: "KA42-B V1.3"% The VAX 4000-300 has "Model 6V00J B9"e   Thierryb   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:34:52 -0500.1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>@' Subject: Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMSH' Message-ID: <3E98321C.C349DDAC@fsi.net>e   Scott Vieth wrote: >  > Dave:  > E > 1) HSG controllers do *not* support anything but disk drives.  Stop D > thinking of them like they are HSJ controllers (or, heaven forbid, > HSCs).  B Not sure why each new generation of HSx has to "grow up" like thatD (witness: HSZ). Why not build it all in from the start (HSZ's didn't; support tape right from the off - you had to define them aseH pass-thru's), and "hit the ground running" rather than forcing customers4 to "make" do" until your product gets "up to speed"?  E > 2) As other folks have mentioned, you will need a SCSI-to-fc bridge-E > like the Modular Data Router or NSR (both from HP) to attach a tape-D > library to a SAN fabric.  Some of the bigger, newer tape librariesE > come with that functionality built-in so you can run fiber directlyt > into the library.   H Well, I wouldn't quite say that. The STK's SCSI-FC bridge/switch appearsG to be optional. The robot and the tape drives are all SCSI devices, and'A so could be connected directly to a VMS system, given appropriate- software to drive the robot. a  F The FC-SAN's sole purpose in life is to share those devices with otherH servers. Case in point: our two L700E's are shared among the W2K, NovellF and VMS machines, with the ACSLS server providing shared robot control to the lot./  > As to the "tape-on-a-SAN" concept, if you'd care to share yourF TAPESTART.COM (part of the SLS startup) and SYS$DEVICES.DAT files withG me, how to demung the reply-to address should be obvious. If you happenaH to also be using DCSC, so much the better. Send also the library listing7 and LUN listing files from DCSC's configuration editor.n   TIAf   -- p David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsc http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/w   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:18:42 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code/ Message-ID: <3E97BDD2.D7770B99@vl.videotron.ca>1  L In the "SHOW BUFFER" command, it creates a buffer containing a list of itemsL (buffer). Then, you can click on a line (or press return with cursor at that6 line) and special action is taken to show that buffer.  = Has anyone implemented routines that perform similar stuff ? .  J (for instance, have a list of files, and if you click on one, it is loaded2 into a separate buffer/window in the TPU session).   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2003 08:08:33 -0400% From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@glug.org> " Subject: Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code( Message-ID: <7g3cknyl32.fsf@gnufans.net>  2 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  ? > Has anyone implemented routines that perform similar stuff ? l  * emacs has a "dired" (directory edit) mode.   thiv   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:41:57 +0200t6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>" Subject: Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code) Message-ID: <3E9841D5.2080807@vajhoej.dk>m   JF Mezei wrote:rN > In the "SHOW BUFFER" command, it creates a buffer containing a list of itemsN > (buffer). Then, you can click on a line (or press return with cursor at that8 > line) and special action is taken to show that buffer. > ? > Has anyone implemented routines that perform similar stuff ?   > L > (for instance, have a list of files, and if you click on one, it is loaded4 > into a separate buffer/window in the TPU session).  0 You got the source code for EVE, so you can just see how it is done.m   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:42:42 +0200J6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>" Subject: Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code) Message-ID: <3E984202.3090208@vajhoej.dk>n   Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote:e4 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:? >>Has anyone implemented routines that perform similar stuff ? h  , > emacs has a "dired" (directory edit) mode.   And ?t  - I assume the author want ssomething for TPU !e   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2003 12:52:15 -0400% From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@glug.org>i" Subject: Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code( Message-ID: <7gu1d3wtds.fsf@gnufans.net>  % Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:r  / > I assume the author want ssomething for TPU !B  6 i assume when i get done w/ the port of emacs to 7.3-1: that people will gladly report bugs, but i could be wrong.   thia   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:35:24 -0500t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>d" Subject: Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code' Message-ID: <3E984E5C.31586097@fsi.net>t   Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote:e > ' > Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:e > 1 > > I assume the author want ssomething for TPU !  > 8 > i assume when i get done w/ the port of emacs to 7.3-1< > that people will gladly report bugs, but i could be wrong.  * Oh, I'm sure they will gladly report bugs.  H However, the original poster was looking for a TPU solution. Emacs won't help him much.   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 09:52:45 -0600 ( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com># Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?o* Message-ID: <3E98364D.2000804@ecubics.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:W > In article <3E96F255.3090102@ecubics.com>, emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com> writes:  >  >>Bob Koehler wrote: >>t >>>In article <20030411011749.97442.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes: >>>-A >>>>Why not HP open the VAX architecture to other company develop ) >>>>some kind of 1U machine or blade ????u >>I >>>   It's too slow for anyone to be interested.  They'd have been better6K >>>   off trying to license the Alpha architecture.  But due to digital ando7 >>>   Compaq mismanagment, there were almost no buyers.e >>% >>Why do you think it would be slow ?  > F >    The complex instruction set of the VAX was designed to be optimalC >    when memory was expensive and slow. RISC instruction sets havetC >    been more optimal since the price and speed of memory improved  >    in the late 80s.y  ? But it is true again. Memory got slow again ... (but cheap ;-))eF Think about CPUs, getting clocked at 4-10 GHz. How fast is the memory  today ?-   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2003 09:19:56 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>g: Subject: Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report6 Message-ID: <20030412091956.10405.qmail@gacracker.org>  9 On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:o  G >I just wanted to let everyone here know that I will be keeping you allrF >informed on a weekly basis, or sooner, of any responses received from/ >carly and her minions, or Marcello, or Gorham.j   Good luck with that.  7 Drop me a line John, I might have some more ammunition.0     Doc. --  : Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.nete   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:17:29 -0500s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> : Subject: Re: VMS Contract Position in the Los Angeles Area' Message-ID: <3E983C19.B660833E@fsi.net>i   Steve Thompson wrote:r > / > On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, David J. Dachtera wrote:e >  > > Steve Thompson wrote:l) > > > On 10 Apr 2003, Ken Robinson wrote:iM > > > > I recieved the folloing email about a position in the Los Angeles, CAdK > > > > area, which I can not apply for since I live in NJ. :-( The rate is O > > > > about $60/hour. The "major entertainment studio" mentioned in the ad is' > > > > Sony Entertaintment.
 > > > > [...]nN > > > I think that you must have missed off a multipler there; $60/hour is not) > > > good in East Podunk, never mind LA.- > >l@ > > In today's IT climate, that's about as good as it gets, man. > I > I must admit to being somewhat surprised at the several responses to myrJ > comment.  Maybe I haven't been paying sufficient attention to the marketE > lately. I do know someone (not me) who was offered around that mucheH > recently for a permanent VMS-only job in NYC, and turned it down to go > elsewhere for less.h  F Sound rather like the stokc exchange here in Chgo. It has a reputationC for being a real "burn out" capital - not worth the pay in terms of H damage to your psyche, etc. after a number of years due to the pressure.  7 > I certainly would not take that amount for a contractbG > position if it meant having to live in NYC (DC, maybe, in a different I > climate). Even in the markets that I am more familiar with, in New YorknH > but well out of the city, it is considerably less than the going rate.  H How well is "the going rate" going these days? If gigs are hard to find,D supply and demand tends to dictate the low rates: too many VMS folks seeking too few VMS jobs.s   -- n David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:46:00 +0200v2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)L Subject: Re: Wanted (I think): A MicroVAX or VAXStation for monkeying around; Message-ID: <3e97fc78.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>e  2 Sue Skonetski (susan_skonetski@hotmail.com) wrote:J > "David A. Cornelson" <david dot cornelson at iflibrary dot com> wrote...M > > I'm looking for a toy box - for hobby stuff....and hopefully a legitimateyJ > > VMS license with it? Is that asking too much or are licenses something > > people sell separately?g > > B > > I've heard machines can be found for free or very inexpensive. >t3 > As an old time DEC person I have a bit of advice.h >e  > Always mount a scratch monkey! > F > This is a great story and I sure this newsgroup could write this far! > better than me.  So have at it.t  F This is what the Jargon File (v4.3.3) has to say on the topic "scratch monkey":   <QUOTE>o  G As in "Before testing or reconfiguring, always mount a scratch monkey", H a proverb used to advise caution when dealing with irreplaceable data orH devices. Used to refer to any scratch volume hooked to a computer duringG any risky operation as a replacement for some precious resource or datao! that might otherwise get trashed.g  D This term preserves the memory of Mabel, the Swimming Wonder Monkey,C star of a biological research program at the University of Toronto. G Mabel was not (so the legend goes) your ordinary monkey; the universityfH had spent years teaching her how to swim, breathing through a regulator,> in order to study the effects of different gas mixtures on herF physiology. Mabel suffered an untimely demise one day when a DEC field< circus engineer troubleshooting a crash on the program's VAXD inadvertently interfered with some custom hardware that was wired to Mabel.  H It is reported that, after calming down an understandably irate customerG sufficiently to ascertain the facts of the matter, a DEC troubleshooter"E called up the field circus manager responsible and asked him sweetly,  "Can you swim?"s  D Not all the consequences to humans were so amusing; the sysop of theF machine in question was nearly thrown in jail at the behest of certainG clueless droids at the local `humane' society. The moral is clear: Whens( in doubt, always mount a scratch monkey.  H [The actual incident occured in 1979 or 1980. There is a version of thisH story, complete with reported dialogue between one of the project peopleH and DEC field service, that has been circulating on Internet since 1986.F It is hilarious and mythic, but gets some facts wrong. For example, itH reports the machine as a PDP-11 and alleges that Mabel's demise occurredG when DEC PMed the machine. Earlier versions of this entry were based on B that story; this one has been corrected from an interview with the hapless sysop. --ESR]w   </QUOTE>  E ESR = Eric S. Raymond, author of the Jargon File and the accompanyingl8 "The New Hacker's Dictionary" book (ISBN 0-262-68092-0).  B "to PM a machine" (from 'preventive maintenance'): To bring down a( machine for inspection or test purposes.   cu,"   Martin -- .F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:27:52 +0200e6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>' Subject: Re: wasd http server and cobolh) Message-ID: <3E983E88.1070904@vajhoej.dk>    Georgi Kozinakov wrote: : > On my microvax (VMS 7.2.1) is installed WASD web server.2 > There are two programmers working only in Cobol.; > I'd like to enable some of their programs to be installedr9 > permanently and to read/get from a web client, find the @ > needed data in a RMS indexed file somewhere in the directories= > other than http root (ht_root) and finaly write/post to them  > client the needed information. > Any ideas?  . It is possible to write CGI-scripts in Cobol !  , I would probably recommend writing the Cobol- programs as standalone programs and use a DCLq, wrapper to convert tme to CGI-scripts (it is so much easier for testing).  , CGI-scripts are not automatically restricted0 to what directories they may access. That should& be build into them by the programmers.   Arne   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.202 ************************id-off, and to pay him $150/hr. for the next year ( about A $315k) based on a full-time commitment on his part. Before he was ( laid-off, he was making $80k. 