1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 13 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 204       Contents:5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!  Re: COV Sponsors Re: COV Sponsors, Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected, Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar P OT (was Re: starting batch job on windows machine when process on vms alpha  comA Personal Firewalls - was Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected ( Re: RL0? Can someone tell me what it is?M Re: starting batch job on windows machine when process on vms alpha completes M Re: starting batch job on windows machine when process on vms alpha completes P Re: starting batch job on windows machine when process on vms alpha completes co Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code  Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code 1 Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:21:40 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> > Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!G Message-ID: <Unema.19252$Vzu.3118@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E98D1A6.70525DAA@fsi.net...  > JF Mezei wrote:  > >  > > re: usage of word "legacy".  > > E > > No matter what the "industry standard" definition of legacy might  be.  > > @ > > In the VMS environment, applying the word legacy brings back memories of D > > Palmer, attempts at killing VMS, distrust of the vendor, lack of	 marketing F > > etc. It is synonymous with all of VMS' management problems and has
 nothing to > > do with technology.  > > C > > Using the word "legacy" in the VMS enviroment strikes extremely  negative& > > response from loyal VMS customers. > > D > > More importantly, the CONTINUED use of "legacy" when refering to VMS byB > > HP/Compaq is a clear sign that the management folks are out of touch with theC > > VMS community and/or are out to insult and send a clear message  that VMS is on > > its way out. > > C > > At this point in time, Marcelo and friends are fully aware that  the use of theC > > word LEGACY has extremely negative connotations. Any attempt by  VMS managementB > > or higher to justify continued use of the word translates into "yeah, we knowD > > exactly what message it sends, which is exectaly why we use that word because* > > it sends the message we need to send". > B > I'd qualify that as "the message we INTEND to send". The message they% > NEED to send is quite the contrary.     = I agree, however Bart Zorn did not indicate *exactly* who was C responsible for inserting the dreaded "L" word in the brochure, and C who subsequently approved the proofs coming off the printing press.    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 03 08:34:45 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors ) Message-ID: <ZaxcTf0Sg7Gc@elias.decus.ch>   h In article <71367ac8.0304110912.6c41fd94@posting.google.com>, qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) writes:
 > Carly who ?   $ Yet another highly informative post.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2003 10:28:51 -00005 From: "Doc.Cypher" <doc_cypher@redneck.gacracker.org>  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 6 Message-ID: <20030413102851.24516.qmail@gacracker.org>  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. 8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  8 On 13 Apr 03, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:> >In article <71367ac8.0304110912.6c41fd94@posting.google.com>,+ >qwqwqwqw70@hotmail.com (Jon Power) writes:  >> Carly who ? > % >Yet another highly informative post.   5 Eh? Oh, that's right, Google doesn't have a killfile.   K Ain't it funny how Jon isn't prepared to say his piece with a sector7 email  address?     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net K                                                    http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 03 09:08:37 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 5 Subject: Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected ) Message-ID: <Rehzb$u$tG39@elias.decus.ch>   U In article <00A1E3BF.2F4C4CDC@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: h > In article <gavd9v83cub4fvcml5reqooh8aggdgi0bl@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> writes:E >>On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:34:18 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >> >>A >>> 554 <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: Client host rejected: Access denied  >>F >>My guess is that this is HP's ineffective spam filter at work.  ThisH >>is the error you get when the HP mail server decides that your sendingB >>server is on the blocklist it uses.  Very confusing and not veryG >>helpful, not to mention that whatever it is they're doing doesn't cut ? >>down on spam to any significant degree, if my HP inbox is any 
 >>indication.  > E > Considering all of the unsolicited crap that I now get from HP, it  ) > is HP who should be on the "blocklist"!  >   K LOL. I'm currently trying, in vain apparently, to get rid of weekly updates N from Interex EMEA. Each and every email is full of script, which means none ofK the links work. My replies seem to go down a black hole, including requests G to be removed from the mailing list. It is a waste of someone's energy.       --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2003 17:55:40 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected 5 Message-ID: <b7c8as$daqai$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   ; In article <M4hma.25479$Pm3.18313@fe09.atl2.webusenet.com>, 6 	"Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> writes:K > I registered my nephew's new Presario PC with Compaq a few years ago.  He L > didn't have an email address at the time, so I just used my personal emailN > address with his name.  I now, even years later, get about 30 spam junkmailsE > per week with his name in the subject line.  Compaq apparently sold L > registration information to spammers - a despicable act IMHO.  Now that HP: > took over, I wonder if that type of thing still happens. >   F I used to receive mailings from Compaq with a very unique mis-spellingC of my last name.  Shortly after the HP takeover I started receiving K mailings from numerous other companies, some of them HP/Compaq competitors,  with the same mis-spelling.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2003 12:51:17 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar5 Message-ID: <b7bmg4$d3lv1$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   + In article <b7asc3$ipb$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, 3 	"Rob L Lyons" <rob.lyons@resilientsys.com> writes: O >> > > I could buy a bunch of Vaxes for that, with licences. They would be more > >> > > reliable than a new W2K box . Seems to be a bad option. >> >J >> > Actually, W2k can be a very reliable platform.  We recommend that allD >> > unnecessary services (which are most of them) be disabled.  TheB >> > system must be dedicated to CHARON-VAX, and run nothing else. >>E >> I still don't understand why this emulator is running on a Winwoes I >> platform (letting aside the Alpha version) and not based on a reliable  >> real-time OS. > J > As long as the price of an Alpha is many times the price of a comparableE > Intel box (comparable being CPU speed, memory size, I/O bandwidth), I > we will still see Windows systems.  Maybe when Itanium is available for + > every OS, then a new truth will be known.  > H > If you would rather use Linux, there are custom versions of Charon-VAX > that may fit your need.  > M > Although Stan tends to be more vocal, there are a few others of us that can L > help with a Charon solution.  And with HP raising VAX service prices, 2003- > and 2004 may be a good year for Charon-VAX.  >   F Or maybe Bob needs to consider a commercial version of SIMH as a means to bolster his retirement.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:24:32 GMT & From: "Tim Brown" <tbrownsr@sc.rr.com>Y Subject: OT (was Re: starting batch job on windows machine when process on vms alpha  com = Message-ID: <4Gcma.13397$RE3.949181@twister.southeast.rr.com>   G Will Kermit (and the scripting) do FTP and accurately report an FTP put H success/failure or provide a transfer byte count that can be checked? My@ understanding is that the VMS FTP app/command does not provide aI reliable/accurate return status. I have a project to transfer a file to a L financial company and all I can do (i.e. all they will allow) is an FTP put. Thanks in advance. Tim   = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3E9924E5.16529090@vl.videotron.ca... L > another option is to use Kermit. Use GOOGLE to search for Kermit and batch job  > and starting > L > With Kermit, you can not only transfer files over tcpip link but also sendL > remote host commands. So after the transfer, you can then issue the submitE > command. Kermit also has powerful scripting to ensure file transfer  failures > are handled elegantly.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 03 13:02:09 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) J Subject: Personal Firewalls - was Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected) Message-ID: <NJXtdyHveCqm@elias.decus.ch>   m In article <R_Vla.26049$D31.2810639@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:  > 8 > A quick check with http://www.samspade.org shows that J > mail(dot)tmesis(dot)com is totally clean and is set up correctly with a   > valid rDNS on the mail server. >   G Going off topic slightly, but I noticed that http://www.samspade.org is G pretty scathing about "personal firewalls" such as BlackIce Defender or  ZoneAlarm. Here's the link:   ' http://www.samspade.org/d/persfire.html   2 and '"Personal Firewalls" are mostly snake-oil' at  ( http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.html   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 03 09:50:16 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 1 Subject: Re: RL0? Can someone tell me what it is? ) Message-ID: <193BnlqD3+kJ@elias.decus.ch>   ^ In article <OFDAD90134.D6132F4D-ON85256D05.00680F9D@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > F > I've unearthed a removable Pack about 18 inches in diameter with one > platter in it. > H > It was DL0: A1 a system pack from spring of 1982.  The label says from >        DSCS8.  >  >  >  > Is this an RL01 pack?  >    My guess would be an RL02.   >  >  > Is it from a PDP-8?  >   I Could also be from a PDP-11. In the late 1970s I used an RL02 to transfer L data between an 11/34 and an 11/03. They were some kind of industry standardE pack, as I also used them on an ICL 2093 (yikes - that takes me back)    >  >  > What was the capacity? >   E A whopping 5MB IIRC. Going back to that ICL, we had one fixed and one E exchangeable, and backing up the exchangeable involved backing up the J fixed disk first, overwriting it to get the copy, then restoring it. I had< the pleasure of doing that at least a couple of times a day.  ! Only 2 generations of backup too!    >  > M > (The case is grey with a blue handle with a gray "| d | i | g | i | t | a |  >        l |"  logo on it."  >  >  --     --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 02:37:30 -0500 2 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>V Subject: Re: starting batch job on windows machine when process on vms alpha completes/ Message-ID: <v9i4umt7cgkv88@corp.supernews.com>   1 "Tim Brown" <tbrownsr@sc.rr.com> wrote in message 7 news:ljZla.12040$RE3.848925@twister.southeast.rr.com... E > You could make the last file you ftp an additional one byte file to  "signal"K > the .bat to run. Set up the .bat to check if the signal file exists (once J > every minute, 5 minutes, etc.). If the signal file exists, delete it and run  > your .bat apps.  > Tim  >   I You could also do what we did - to write a small program to run on the NT G box (using TCP/IP) to listen for a connection and accept a message that I tells 1) what file to use, 2) where it is on the NT server, 3) what to do I with it (what program to run to process the file), and 4) what to do with K the file after processing is completed (delete, etc.) The VAX had a command A line program that could be run in a DCL com file that was used to L communicate with the receiving program on the NT box. The DCL com file FTP'dH the file over and sent the command structure over and the NT box had theL work done. The NT box acknowledged the messages from the VAX and put them inL a queue until it got around to handling them. There are sample TCP/IP socketL programs on the VAX in SYS$EXAMPLES that you can look at to get the idea. OnC the NT site I used a socket library package to make the job easier.   B This method gets around polling for data. You wouldn't believe how2 inefficient polling is over the course of a month!  L Because this was on a local LAN, no real security was needed or provided. ItG would not be difficult to provide security, requiring a NT username and E Password before accepting the work, or only accepting the work from a  specific IP address, etc.   J As this was supposed to be short lived, we did not code this as a service,' but that would have been our next step.   K I've taken a little "poetic" license with my description as our application L actually submitted the file from the NT server TO the VAX. The VAX submittedF a job into a batch queue that transmitted the file to an IBM mainframeE through a DEC  SNAgateway and the data was put into a database on the K Mainframe as well as on the VAX. We had the VAX and the NT server locked up J in our computer room and had it configured to automatically log in at bootJ time and run the transfer application from the NT start menu. The receiverK on the VAX was started automatically when our SCADA application was brought  up.   I As I am now retired, I do not have the source to the code anymore, but it - would not be terribly difficult to re-create.    Stuart Johnson   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:05:42 GMT & From: "Tim Brown" <tbrownsr@sc.rr.com>V Subject: Re: starting batch job on windows machine when process on vms alpha completes= Message-ID: <qocma.13395$RE3.946915@twister.southeast.rr.com>   J IIRC, the "polling" solution only required adding 4 or 5 lines to the .batL file. I agree that ip communication with the NT box to start the .bat is theE best solution. I had this same setup (move files to Windoze, then run L something on Windoze) and used my suggestion until I had an ip app completedA (the ip app took a little longer than modifying the .bat file ;-)  Tim   = "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net> wrote in message ) news:v9i4umt7cgkv88@corp.supernews.com... 3 > "Tim Brown" <tbrownsr@sc.rr.com> wrote in message 9 > news:ljZla.12040$RE3.848925@twister.southeast.rr.com... G > > You could make the last file you ftp an additional one byte file to 
 > "signal"G > > the .bat to run. Set up the .bat to check if the signal file exists  (once L > > every minute, 5 minutes, etc.). If the signal file exists, delete it and > run  > > your .bat apps.  > > Tim  > >  > K > You could also do what we did - to write a small program to run on the NT I > box (using TCP/IP) to listen for a connection and accept a message that K > tells 1) what file to use, 2) where it is on the NT server, 3) what to do K > with it (what program to run to process the file), and 4) what to do with E > the file after processing is completed (delete, etc.) The VAX had a  command C > line program that could be run in a DCL com file that was used to H > communicate with the receiving program on the NT box. The DCL com file FTP'd J > the file over and sent the command structure over and the NT box had theK > work done. The NT box acknowledged the messages from the VAX and put them  inG > a queue until it got around to handling them. There are sample TCP/IP  socketK > programs on the VAX in SYS$EXAMPLES that you can look at to get the idea.  OnE > the NT site I used a socket library package to make the job easier.  > D > This method gets around polling for data. You wouldn't believe how4 > inefficient polling is over the course of a month! > K > Because this was on a local LAN, no real security was needed or provided.  ItI > would not be difficult to provide security, requiring a NT username and G > Password before accepting the work, or only accepting the work from a  > specific IP address, etc.  > L > As this was supposed to be short lived, we did not code this as a service,) > but that would have been our next step.  > A > I've taken a little "poetic" license with my description as our  application D > actually submitted the file from the NT server TO the VAX. The VAX	 submitted H > a job into a batch queue that transmitted the file to an IBM mainframeG > through a DEC  SNAgateway and the data was put into a database on the J > Mainframe as well as on the VAX. We had the VAX and the NT server locked upL > in our computer room and had it configured to automatically log in at bootL > time and run the transfer application from the NT start menu. The receiverE > on the VAX was started automatically when our SCADA application was  brought  > up.  > K > As I am now retired, I do not have the source to the code anymore, but it / > would not be terribly difficult to re-create.  >  > Stuart Johnson >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 04:51:41 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>Y Subject: Re: starting batch job on windows machine when process on vms alpha completes co / Message-ID: <3E9924E5.16529090@vl.videotron.ca>   N another option is to use Kermit. Use GOOGLE to search for Kermit and batch job and starting  J With Kermit, you can not only transfer files over tcpip link but also sendJ remote host commands. So after the transfer, you can then issue the submitL command. Kermit also has powerful scripting to ensure file transfer failures are handled elegantly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 04:49:10 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code/ Message-ID: <3E99244E.D99E0403@vl.videotron.ca>    Hunter Goatley wrote: ? > My FLIST file and directory manager (a TPU-based file manager B > similar in concept to Explorer under Windows or the File Manager > in Motif) does similar stuff:   K Thanks for pointer. The code should let me know how it is done (although it Y doesn't seem to support the mouse, but I guess I can try to work that from TPU examples).   ( And Flist might prove most useful too...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:07:29 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>" Subject: Re: TPU: SHOW BUFFER code) Message-ID: <3E996F21.8090206@vajhoej.dk>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Arne Vajhj wrote: > 2 >>You got the source code for EVE, so you can just >>see how it is done.  >  > M > Are you sure that SHOW BUFFER is done in TPU code and not built-in to the C  > code deep down ?   Yes.  , See SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES]EVE$SHOW.TPU- procedure eve_show_buffer and eve$bufed_show.    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:17:40 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> : Subject: Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status reportH Message-ID: <8kema.19227$Vzu.10546@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  B "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in8 message news:20030412091956.10405.qmail@gacracker.org...; > On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  > E > >I just wanted to let everyone here know that I will be keeping you  all C > >informed on a weekly basis, or sooner, of any responses received  from1 > >carly and her minions, or Marcello, or Gorham.  >  > Good luck with that. > 9 > Drop me a line John, I might have some more ammunition.     ( What's a good address to contact you at?   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.204 ************************