1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 14 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 206       Contents:# 7.3-1/Motif 1.2-6 & gray background + Re: Announcing HP Availability Manager V2.3 5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately! 5 Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately! ) Re: DECchip 21030/21130 graphics chipset. ) Re: DECchip 21030/21130 graphics chipset. ( Re: DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute( Re: DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute( Re: DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute( Re: DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker?" Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon?, Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected Fiber channel question Re: Fiber channel question/ Re: How do I disable LOCK on DECWindows console / Re: How do I disable LOCK on DECWindows console  Re: HP, P&G, Ericsson ! Re: last-accessed date/time field ! Re: last-accessed date/time field  Re: looking for VMS work( Re: Need help pricing used VAX equipment' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar P Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha RetaiP Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha RetaiE Re: Personal Firewalls - was Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected E Re: Personal Firewalls - was Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected  Re: Question about acronym IPF Re: Question about acronym IPF4 Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)8 RE: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)8 Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)8 Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)8 Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)8 Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)( Re: RL0? Can someone tell me what it is?/ Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ... M Re: starting batch job on windows machine when process on vms alpha completes  Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMS Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?G Re: VMS Engineering quality standards, was: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN G Re: VMS Engineering quality standards, was: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN  Re: What is a VMS Cluster  Re: XDM problems (TCPIP 5.3) Re: XDM problems (TCPIP 5.3)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 07:08:27 -0700' From: ultrajoe@spamcop.net (Joe Sewell) , Subject: 7.3-1/Motif 1.2-6 & gray background< Message-ID: <a55b951e.0304140608.daefa13@posting.google.com>  C After going through great pains to turn off the New Desktop's color @ palette mess (for a variety of reasons), two AlphaStation DS25'sC running VMS V7.3-1 & Motif 1.2-6 seem to be back to doing their own F thing.  Something on login is inserting *background: #999999999999 and> *foreground: #FFFFFFFFFFFF resources into the RESOURCE_MANAGERB property.  All the various resource files are the same as they are5 under 7.2-6C2, where this does not happen.  (I've got E *writeXrdbColors: False, *Background: #ADADD8D8E6E6, and *Foreground: E #000000000000 resources in the appropriate SYS.RESOURCES file.  These % do still appear in RESOURCE_MANAGER.)   D All the user resource files are part of our build, which is properlyA loaded onto the machine.  I've scanned every resource file I know A about, and probably a few I don't know about, to find no explicit > setting of *background and *foreground.  The chosen palette is@ identical to that used on the machines where they work properly.  + I've scanned the release notes to no avail.   
 Any hints?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:58:20 GMT 0 From: "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com>4 Subject: Re: Announcing HP Availability Manager V2.30 Message-ID: <gvwma.742$bb1.189@news.cpqcorp.net>  I The team here has downloaded the kit successfully with Mozilla running on 
 Windows 2000.    Barry Kierstein   9 "Jim Strehlow" <JimStrehlow@data911.com> wrote in message 7 news:4b6ec350.0304071542.12fbe181@posting.google.com... = > Douglas Hoeger <Douglas.Hoeger@compaq.com> wrote in message 4 news:<crfu8v0n9eu5qg9733aohnk11rvbca9826@4ax.com>...> > > The HP Availability Manager Team is pleased to announce HP > ...  > 5 > I tried to download using Mozilla on OpenVMS Alpha. : > I get an "unknown error" at the end of the transmission.F > I can download to a Windows PC and then FTP to OpenVMS; but I prefer& > doing my work on OpenVMS when I can. > K > Is there an FTP site along with a checksum such as how I download patches E > so that I can verify the integrity and completeness of my download?  >  > Thank you. >  > Jim Strehlow	 > Data911  > Alameda, CA, USA   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:12:29 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> > Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!8 Message-ID: <m49l9v04ampvr3mfbk5iot132f0903fd0p@4ax.com>  ! Perhaps 'Heritage' sounds better?   ; BTW I love the line in 'The Dog-ear Years' by Jethro Tull:-   G Vintage and classic, or just plain Jurassic?: all words to describe me.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:00:10 +0200 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> > Subject: Re: attention Sue: alert your task force immediately!6 Message-ID: <3e9ab0da$0$49111$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   John Smith wrote: > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3E98D1A6.70525DAA@fsi.net...  >  >>JF Mezei wrote:  >> >>>re: usage of word "legacy". >>> D >>>No matter what the "industry standard" definition of legacy might >  > be.  > ? >>>In the VMS environment, applying the word legacy brings back  > 
 > memories of  > C >>>Palmer, attempts at killing VMS, distrust of the vendor, lack of  >  > marketing  > E >>>etc. It is synonymous with all of VMS' management problems and has  >  > nothing to >  >>>do with technology. >>> B >>>Using the word "legacy" in the VMS enviroment strikes extremely > 
 > negative > % >>>response from loyal VMS customers.  >>> C >>>More importantly, the CONTINUED use of "legacy" when refering to  >  > VMS by > A >>>HP/Compaq is a clear sign that the management folks are out of  >  > touch with the > B >>>VMS community and/or are out to insult and send a clear message >  > that VMS is on >  >>>its way out.  >>> B >>>At this point in time, Marcelo and friends are fully aware that >  > the use of the > B >>>word LEGACY has extremely negative connotations. Any attempt by >  > VMS management > A >>>or higher to justify continued use of the word translates into  >  > "yeah, we know > C >>>exactly what message it sends, which is exectaly why we use that  >  > word because > ) >>>it sends the message we need to send".  >>B >>I'd qualify that as "the message we INTEND to send". The message >  > they > % >>NEED to send is quite the contrary.  >  >  > ? > I agree, however Bart Zorn did not indicate *exactly* who was E > responsible for inserting the dreaded "L" word in the brochure, and E > who subsequently approved the proofs coming off the printing press.   I The program committee is reponsible for the contents of the brochure. It  I doesn't matter who did exactly what. I have already said that I have not  H been able to prevent the usage of the word, but that does not mean that  I am not (co-)responsible.  ) I will do my best to do better next year.   G By the way, there are both HP employees and non-HP employees member of   the committee.   Regards,  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2003 10:55:28 GMT& From: Wolfgang Rupp <rupp@coredump.at>2 Subject: Re: DECchip 21030/21130 graphics chipset.3 Message-ID: <b7e430$dmmht$1@ID-3131.news.dfncis.de>   A In comp.sys.dec Timothy Stark <sword7nospam@speakeasy.org> wrote: J > On NetBSD/alpha web site, I discovered that DECchip 21030/21130 graphicsI > chipset on their documentation for programming.  I was looking for that L > information through Compaq, etc but can't find any information about 21130M > graphics chipset.  Does OpenVMS Alpha support DECchip 21130?   If so, which 5 > products uses that chipset?  PowerStorm 3D30? etc..   F OpenVMS definitely supports that chipset. E.g. the ZLXP-E1 and ZLXP-E2J cards are 21030 based. The question is if your specific machine can digest3 the card, e.g.  my PWS500 did not digest a ZLXP-E1.   
 Wolfgang Rupp    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:50:19 +0100 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>2 Subject: Re: DECchip 21030/21130 graphics chipset.4 Message-ID: <b7eosj$5kr0$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>  3 "Wolfgang Rupp" <rupp@coredump.at> wrote in message - news:b7e430$dmmht$1@ID-3131.news.dfncis.de... C > In comp.sys.dec Timothy Stark <sword7nospam@speakeasy.org> wrote: L > > On NetBSD/alpha web site, I discovered that DECchip 21030/21130 graphicsK > > chipset on their documentation for programming.  I was looking for that H > > information through Compaq, etc but can't find any information about 21130 I > > graphics chipset.  Does OpenVMS Alpha support DECchip 21130?   If so,  which 7 > > products uses that chipset?  PowerStorm 3D30? etc..  > H > OpenVMS definitely supports that chipset. E.g. the ZLXP-E1 and ZLXP-E2L > cards are 21030 based. The question is if your specific machine can digest5 > the card, e.g.  my PWS500 did not digest a ZLXP-E1.  >  > Wolfgang Rupp  >   6 Does anyone know where the specs are for the ZLXP-E1 ?J I am not sure if I am seeing the full functionality on the card I have. It$ seems to be only giving me 4 planes.> What am I missing (apart from (more than) a few brain cells)... Alphaserver 1000a 5/333, V7.3-1, motif v1.2-6.         --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:07:19 +0200 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> 1 Subject: Re: DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute 4 Message-ID: <3e9a6c2b$0$28775$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote: L > One of my nodes exhibits an unusually long traceroute to any device on the
 > lan. (90ms)  > O > Is there a DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute that would allow me to get an O > equivalent number ? I'd like to see if the unusually long TCPIP traceroute is N > due to TCPIP software or whether it affects all ethernet connections on that > machine. (Microvax 3100).   O There used to be a DEC internal tool written in the 80's by Stan Rabinowicz, I  Q think. But it was using DEcnet IV and the NCP TELL command (NCP TELL NODE BLA SH  K KNO NOD or something similar). It was then parsing the output file and was  . spreading hop after hop until its destination.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:01:53 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>1 Subject: Re: DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute + Message-ID: <00A1E606.1A0079FD.11@decus.de>   3 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:   L > One of my nodes exhibits an unusually long traceroute to any device on the
 > lan. (90ms)  > O > Is there a DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute that would allow me to get an O > equivalent number ? I'd like to see if the unusually long TCPIP traceroute is N > due to TCPIP software or whether it affects all ethernet connections on that > machine. (Microvax 3100).      $ MC DTSEND ???   " _Test: DATA /NODE=name /STATISTICS  F See "DECnet for OpenVMS -- Network Management Utilities" (PDF manual, D available on the web); chapter 4, "DECnet Test Sender / DECnet Test H Receiver". This is for DECnet Phase IV; I don't know if it is available  for Phase V too.   Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:42:07 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>1 Subject: Re: DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute / Message-ID: <3E9AD6CB.21FF9FE6@vl.videotron.ca>    Michael Unger wrote: > $ MC DTSEND ???  > $ > _Test: DATA /NODE=name /STATISTICS  C Thanks. I upgraded from 5 to DECNET 4 some time ago, so this works. W Unfortunatly, it gives throughput, not latency. (whereas traceroute/ping gives latency)   G Also, since my other node is a microvax II, wouldn't the DTSEND test be J affected by the MVII's ability to process large amounts of test data ? (as> opposed to just sending a "yep, got that" response to a ping ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:39:32 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>1 Subject: Re: DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute + Message-ID: <00A1E63D.A71B7EE7.31@decus.de>   3 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:    > Michael Unger wrote: > > $ MC DTSEND ???  > > & > > _Test: DATA /NODE=name /STATISTICS > E > Thanks. I upgraded from 5 to DECNET 4 some time ago, so this works. Y > Unfortunatly, it gives throughput, not latency. (whereas traceroute/ping gives latency)   H Reciprocal of "messages per second"? If it works as supposed then a new G message can only be sent if the previous one has been confirmed by the  C DTR node. You can run the test from both nodes to see if there are   differences.  I > Also, since my other node is a microvax II, wouldn't the DTSEND test be L > affected by the MVII's ability to process large amounts of test data ? (as@ > opposed to just sending a "yep, got that" response to a ping ?  E As far as I remember (but that might be a "memory failure" -- it has  ? been years ago when I used that diagnostic tool checking a WAN  = connection) the data is just discarded at the receiving end;  > "/TYPE=SINK" is the default according to the manual mentioned.  - The CPU power is of course of some relevance.    Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:02:12 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? , Message-ID: <3E9A40D4.9040908@tsoft-inc.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  > - >>>>Process name:             TCPIP$FTPC00017 ' >>>>Username:                 anonymous . >>>>Remote nodename:          f16v-1-57.d1.clu0 >>>>Remote node id:           3569600569 (50.57)* >>>>Remote username:          FTP_D4C3C839 >>>>P >>I think that this opcom message really needs to be spruced up. I'd like to seeM >>real dotted decimal TCPIP node names instead of a single integer we have to - >>break up to find out what the real address.  >> > 	 > Agreed.  >  > X >>Also, it would be interesting to see the "password" in the case of anonymous attempts. >> >  > Whole-heartedly agreed!     J Think about that idea.  One thing about VMS, it never shows passwords, to Q anyone.  You're asking to see a password.  Yeah fine idea if it's someone trying  O to break into the system.  But what if it's a valid user who just mistyped the  O username or password.  You'd display something real close to a valid password.  0 The guessing of a password just got much easier.     Dave     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:06:03 +0200 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>  Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? 4 Message-ID: <3e9a5dce$0$28759$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote:    > $ A = 3569600569 > $ show symbol a 8 >   A = -725366727   Hex = D4C3C839  Octal = 32460744071 > ; > It is coming from IP address D4 C3 C8 39 = 212.195.200.57  >  ../..     JF, what would I do without you? :-)    D.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 09:39:51 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)  Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? - Message-ID: <3e9a65c7$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   @ In article <3e9a5dce$0$28759$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, PRSTSC::DTL' <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:  |>JF Mezei wrote:  |> |>> $ A = 3569600569 |>> $ show symbol a : |>>   A = -725366727   Hex = D4C3C839  Octal = 32460744071 |>> = |>> It is coming from IP address D4 C3 C8 39 = 212.195.200.57  |>>  |>../..  |>" |>JF, what would I do without you? |>:-)  |> |>D. |> |>  = I've noticed more tries of hacking passwords of vms-machines. ? Usually stupid attempts to login as user decnet. There must be    a script that many bad guys use.   eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:03:53 +0200 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>  Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? 4 Message-ID: <3e9a6b5e$0$28759$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote: , >>>Process name:             TCPIP$FTPC00017& >>>Username:                 anonymous- >>>Remote nodename:          f16v-1-57.d1.clu / >>>Remote node id:           3569600569 (50.57) ) >>>Remote username:          FTP_D4C3C839  >  > P > I think that this opcom message really needs to be spruced up. I'd like to seeM > real dotted decimal TCPIP node names instead of a single integer we have to - > break up to find out what the real address.  > X > Also, it would be interesting to see the "password" in the case of anonymous attempts.  > This is a known issue that had been adressed by DEC and fixed.Q The Old Timmers here will remember that this feature has been enabled within VMS  N security a few DECades ago. The OPER console was receiving all LOGIN Failures K messages with the plain password used. It has been quickly removed for the  ) reason explained in here by David Froble.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:47:28 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? < Message-ID: <howard-19B602.07472814042003@enews.newsguy.com>  ' In article <3E9A3023.3EE19116@fsi.net>, 3  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   	 > I mean:  > 0 > > Remote node id:           3569600569 (50.57) > F > Apparently, the OP read that and ignored the "TCPIP$" in the processH > name, just as the source of the message discarded the high-order bytesE > of the "Remote node id:" and interpreted the remainder according to  > DECnet address rules.    Ah.    --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:26:34 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? 4 Message-ID: <b7eget$2jt2$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>   David Froble wrote:  >...= > Think about that idea.  One thing about VMS, it never shows 9 > passwords, to anyone.  You're asking to see a password. 	 Yeah fine  >...  ; Once the user passes the "Intruder" level the password they > are using is logged in the security audit log. I just tried on< a 7.3-1 machine and the first 5 attempts at a login show the: username "<login>" and no password, the 6th attempt showed< both the username and password I was using. Interesting that; the username was converted to all uppercase characters, but   the password preserved the case.   -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. ) Serving Southern Ontario/Western New York    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:53:37 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? / Message-ID: <3E9ACB71.C7DB996E@vl.videotron.ca>    David Froble wrote: K > Think about that idea.  One thing about VMS, it never shows passwords, to R > anyone.  You're asking to see a password.  Yeah fine idea if it's someone tryingP > to break into the system.  But what if it's a valid user who just mistyped the > username or password.   M We are talking about displaying passwords for FTP "anonymous" only. Since one M wants to know if a somewhat valid email address is being supplied, or if they N truly send junk (or perhas the same "ramdom" password for attempts coming from different IP adresses).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:03:35 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? 6 Message-ID: <1030414114609.18347B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  $ On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, JF Mezei wrote:   > David Froble wrote: M > > Think about that idea.  One thing about VMS, it never shows passwords, to T > > anyone.  You're asking to see a password.  Yeah fine idea if it's someone tryingR > > to break into the system.  But what if it's a valid user who just mistyped the > > username or password.  > O > We are talking about displaying passwords for FTP "anonymous" only. Since one O > wants to know if a somewhat valid email address is being supplied, or if they P > truly send junk (or perhas the same "ramdom" password for attempts coming from > different IP adresses).   C BTW, Dave - it is a common convention for anonymous FTP, but for no C other protocol I've ever encountered, to send your email address as C the password, which isn't otherwise used.  I think the FTP protocol C doesn't treat "anonymous" any differently than any other user name, D so you have to send *something* for the password, but the FTP server: ignores it if it allows anonymous logins.  I don't know if? the common VMS FTP servers record the passwords for "anonymous" ? anywhere (so you can tell who has been using your system.)  And # of course, the bad guys always lie!   ? I think it is pretty unlikely that anyone would have a username = sufficiently close to "anonymous" that they could generate it ? by accident, but someone could get distracted while logging in, @ and type anonymous for the username, but then type their regular1 (secret) password instead of their email address.   B However, I think it is the job of the FTP server, not the securityA audit server, to record email addresses for anonymous logins.  It ? is very much a special case, and you (the system manager of the 9 FTP server) are probably just as interested in successful > anonymous logins as in failures.  (Why would there be failures< if you have enabled anonymous FTP?)  I'm pretty sure the VMS; security audit server doesn't record passwords on sucessful  logins, anyway.    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:58:28 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>  Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? ( Message-ID: <3E9AE8B4.1080302@rdrop.com>   Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote:? > I've noticed more tries of hacking passwords of vms-machines. A > Usually stupid attempts to login as user decnet. There must be  " > a script that many bad guys use.  E Hmmm- Not that I've tried to set it up, but I do know that there's a    DECnet implementation for Linux.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:45:06 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? 4 Message-ID: <b7eoiq$602s$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>   John Santos wrote:& > On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, JF Mezei wrote: >...< > ignores it if it allows anonymous logins.  I don't know if5 > the common VMS FTP servers record the passwords for  "anonymous" < > anywhere (so you can tell who has been using your system.) And  >...  = TCPWare does create a logical name that shows the password. I ; have never played with it, but I would guess that you could 4 write the logical name to a file within LOGIN.COM or SYLOGIN.COM.  > But I think the original question was to get the password that> was given when the "anonymous" service is disabled. You should6 be able to do that by playing with the LGI_HID_TIM and> LGI_BRK_LIM parameters so that a user is marked as an intruder= after 1 try but the intrusion record does not last very long. < Every time a user gets a password wrong two times the second< password would end up in the security audit, but if the user= tries "anonymous" once and gives up then you will not see the 	 password.   < A better way to get the "anonymous" password if you have not; enabled "anonymous" logins would be to create a LGI routine < that writes out the password, but I haven't played with that stuff in a while.    -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. ) Serving Southern Ontario/Western New York    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2003 11:08:40 GMT9 From: ignatios@newton.cs.uni-bonn.de (Ignatios Souvatzis) + Subject: Re: DECUS Magazine map of Dungeon? 4 Message-ID: <b7e4ro$83m$1@f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>  2 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:   > Memories ? > C > Remember how much fun you had upgrading your systems to VMS V5.0?  > Well, you had it easy......  > ' >                         THE VAXORCIST ' >                         -------------  > 4 >              A rough draft of a video presentation- >                      by Christopher Russell ; >        Operations Manager, Dept of Mechanical Engineering - >                      University of Maryland  ... K > Copyright (C) 1991 by Christopher Russell (crussell@eng.umd.edu).  Please H > feel free to copy this and pass it around if it amuses you, as long as > this notice is left intact.  ... G > Thanks to my friends and colleagues at the University of Maryland and G > elsewhere for their help and encouragement in the developement of the  > script and the video.    I want a copy of that video!   	-is   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:14:38 -0400 + From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> 5 Subject: Re: Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected 8 Message-ID: <rggl9vskn602pu1kpshvogvhidnvves00r@4ax.com>  C On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:21:19 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   ^ >In article <JUBla.689$Wx5.664@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Geoff Graves" <geoff.graves@hp.com> writes:# >>Fault has been reported.  Thanks.  > G >Reporting a problem without any active effort employed to correct said * >fault is a exercise in absolute futility. > G >Sent another email to you Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 07:18:17 -0400 and it F >too was rejected.  In fact, it would appear that *anything* I send toH >HP.COM/Compaq.com is rejected.  Do you have an email account on another >domain?    F As an experiment, please send me a sample message from the same system? you used to try to send to Geoff Graves.  I want to look at the  headers.      D Please send Visual Fortran support requests to vf-support@compaq.com   Steve Lionel Software Products Division Intel Corporation 
 Nashua, NH  = User communities for Intel Fortran and Compaq Visual Fortran:     http://intel.com/IDS/community   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:11:30 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>  Subject: Fiber channel question 8 Message-ID: <20030414091130.3f1e2419.mathog@caltech.edu>  F I just finished setting up a Sunfire V880 for a group here - the firstF time I've had to mess with any kind of fiber channel machine.  SolarisF requires a map between the disk's fiber channel address (which is sortM of like a network address) and the /dev/dsk/* addresses which the rest of the ? OS see.  That is (and this sucks): make an exact replica of the G boot disk, shutdown, replace the original with the clone, power on, and F the reboot will fail.  That's because the clone has the address of theI source channel disk (not the current FC disk) mapped to the disk devices. D The Solaris fix for this requires a single user boot from some other@ media (CDROM), mount the clone, run the oh so intuitive command:      devfsadm -C -r /a  ? and then it will work.  You can imagine some of the fun Solaris > operators must have the first time they lose a system disk and> try to restore on a new disk - with a different FC address, soH the backup of the original disk is not bootable on the replacement disk!  I The question is, do other OS's, and VMS in particular, have similar fiber ! channel "address" complexities?      Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:38:16 +0200 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> # Subject: Re: Fiber channel question 6 Message-ID: <3e9ae3fa$0$49105$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>  G OpenVMS on Alphaservers (there is no FC support for VAXen) has no such  G thing as a mapping file. A SYSMAN IO FIND_WWID can display all devices  G that are available on the SAN, but not yet configured, and a SYSMAN IO  - AUTO can configure them for use with OpenVMS.   H Th SRM console of an Alphaserver has limited resources and can normally F only hold the information of up to four FC disks. Those disks must be G configured with the wwidmgr utility, which runs on the console. If you  E have done it a few times, it is no more non-intuitive than the cited  F command on Solaris. If you have to boot from a different boot device,  you will have to run wwidmgr.   H Things get interesting when you have to run wwidmgr on the console of a G partition of a GS140 system. You have to issue the init command, which  ( in turn will crash the other partitions!   Regards,  	 Bart Zorn    David Mathog wrote: H > I just finished setting up a Sunfire V880 for a group here - the firstH > time I've had to mess with any kind of fiber channel machine.  SolarisH > requires a map between the disk's fiber channel address (which is sortO > of like a network address) and the /dev/dsk/* addresses which the rest of the A > OS see.  That is (and this sucks): make an exact replica of the I > boot disk, shutdown, replace the original with the clone, power on, and H > the reboot will fail.  That's because the clone has the address of theK > source channel disk (not the current FC disk) mapped to the disk devices. F > The Solaris fix for this requires a single user boot from some otherB > media (CDROM), mount the clone, run the oh so intuitive command: >  >    devfsadm -C -r /a > A > and then it will work.  You can imagine some of the fun Solaris @ > operators must have the first time they lose a system disk and@ > try to restore on a new disk - with a different FC address, soJ > the backup of the original disk is not bootable on the replacement disk! > K > The question is, do other OS's, and VMS in particular, have similar fiber # > channel "address" complexities?    > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu@ > Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 07:36:08 -0700' From: ultrajoe@spamcop.net (Joe Sewell) 8 Subject: Re: How do I disable LOCK on DECWindows console= Message-ID: <a55b951e.0304140636.3e44deac@posting.google.com>   c norm.raphael@metso.com wrote in message news:<OFF0C6004C.533C3BB6-ON85256D04.004EF45E@metso.com>... L > When I reboot, and log in to my AlphaServer, the DECWINDOWS LOCK is set to > H > 30 minutes.  I can modify or disable it, but the change is not sticky. > F > What do I set, and where do I set it to shut this off, or change the >        interval? >  > -Norm   + Add to [user.DT.SESSIONS.HOME]DT.RESOURCES:   " dtsession*extension.lockTimeout: 0  = to disable; use a different number (of minutes) to change the 	 interval.   > I forget now whether this file gets read in if you do a ReloadD Resources (Application Manager, Desktop Utils, if memory serves); ifF it doesn't, you'll have to make sure you reload your home session next, time you log in, then log out & log back in.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:55:18 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com8 Subject: Re: How do I disable LOCK on DECWindows console? Message-ID: <OFA97D38F2.408AB34E-ON85256D08.00576E8C@metso.com>    Of course  ;-) !   Thanks.   ? From:  ultrajoe@spamcop.net (Joe Sewell) on 04/14/2003 10:36 AM   3 Please respond to ultrajoe@spamcop.net (Joe Sewell)    To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:   ; Subject:    Re: How do I disable LOCK on DECWindows console     ' norm.raphael@metso.com wrote in message ; news:<OFF0C6004C.533C3BB6-ON85256D04.004EF45E@metso.com>... I > When I reboot, and log in to my AlphaServer, the DECWINDOWS LOCK is set  to > H > 30 minutes.  I can modify or disable it, but the change is not sticky. > F > What do I set, and where do I set it to shut this off, or change the >        interval? >  > -Norm   + Add to [user.DT.SESSIONS.HOME]DT.RESOURCES:   " dtsession*extension.lockTimeout: 0  = to disable; use a different number (of minutes) to change the 	 interval.   > I forget now whether this file gets read in if you do a ReloadD Resources (Application Manager, Desktop Utils, if memory serves); ifF it doesn't, you'll have to make sure you reload your home session next, time you log in, then log out & log back in.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:44:41 +0100e( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: HP, P&G, Ericsson) Message-ID: <3E9A74F9.321CEC07@127.0.0.1>    David Froble wrote:T >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > I > > In article <_bEla.2795$BQi.597@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,./ > >       "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > > F > >>But using VMS where possible could offer reduced system management > >>head-count,f > >> > >.F > > Funny how I keep hearing this but I have at least twice the number@ > > of servers and 1/4 the manpower of the Datacenters VMS shop. > >e > > bill > 9 > Maybe the datacenter is practicing 'zero unemployment'.  > O > VMS doesn't need any daily operations staff, unless you set things up to needeK > such.  I'll go out on a limb here and state, to my knowledge, there is noeP > commercial OS available today that needs less staff than a properly set up VMSQ > system.  Maybe emphasize PROPERLY SET UP, which does take significant skill and  > knowledge.  uH VMS can be its own worst enemy, give the 'ops' folks nothing to do, findE them another job, then when they do want some VMS resource, find it'sr all been redeployed.   It's too reliable. --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences3 nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:15:35 +0100 (MET)w9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com><* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field; Message-ID: <01KUPPQ9GWW2AH3N2T@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   G > I don't understand why constantly checking the directory's expiration B > date is all that much better than constantly doing a f$search orF > lib$find_file to check for the new files that you're interested it. * > In either case it's a polling operation.  I Two reasons.  First, it might be faster.  It is a directory with a large oI number of files in it.  Second, there is a long list of files to check.   I The idea is to check the expiration date to see if ANYTHING has accessed mB the directory (in practice, that will usually mean a new file has 4 appeared) and then to look for the individual files.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:22:59 +0100 (MET)t9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>.* Subject: Re: last-accessed date/time field; Message-ID: <01KUPQ0TBFISA9QUZV@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>u  @ > Well, you *did* ask about last-access dates, but the currentlyD > available implementation of that, expiration dates with very smallG > retention times, won't work because the .DIR's expiration date is nothC > updated when a file is added to the directory as has already beeno > posted. So,...  B Perhaps I missed that post.  It certainly was in my tests (with a  retention time of .01 s).Y   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2003 12:01:12 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: looking for VMS worke5 Message-ID: <b7e7u8$djsq4$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>.  ; In article <z7rma.66575$vI3.2339630@twister.austin.rr.com>,n. 	LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes:/ > Bill Gunshannon (bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu) wrote:e >:   >: And others:A >:   Raytheon "information and (systems or technology)"  204 jobsw) >:   HP  "Information Technology" 44 jobsd+ >:   HP  "Research and Development" 39 jobsd, >:   Boeing "Information Technology" 25 jobs0 >:   Boeing "Computing Delivery Systems" 18 jobs >: l > A > Many companies doing work for the Department of Defense require  > a security clearance.    HP??  C And, think of it as a plus. Those jobs won't be moving to India any 
 time soon.  A I said clearly in my original message that I looked mostly at therB sector of the business I understood best.  Before joining academiaC I used to work for two of the biggest government contractors in theb- country and before that, the military itself.h  B I don't think my short list was meant to be all inclusive.  It wasB mainly meant to show that if you use Monster and Dice you are veryE likely missing some real opportunities. Major corporations have theirsA own HR departments and frequently don't advertise or hire througho third parties.   bill   -- tJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   T   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:36:52 +0100d( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>1 Subject: Re: Need help pricing used VAX equipment ( Message-ID: <3E9A7324.632DF3B@127.0.0.1>   Meredith Ryan wrote: >   F An issue you'll have is licensing costs will exceed the "value" of the
 equipment.  G When selling, you transfer the base CPU licences, they always stay withdH the CPU, and HP/Compaq/Digital will (may) charge you a re-registration /B transfer fee to the new owner. It stays at the same version unless" upgrade rights are also purchased.  ) Layered products need to be bought 'new'.s  H Hardware maintenance of the systems alone will far exceed the "value"...  @ There are a significant number of hobbyists out there that wouldH appreciate the equipment far more than the 200 bucks is worth to you, soG if you go the ebay way, set a 'buy me now' with a low enough value that C makes it worth your efforts in selling, don't rip 'em off, it's not  fair.s   -- c? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesy nclews at csc dot coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:55:59 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar4 Message-ID: <b7ei61$3qen$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>   David J. Dachtera wrote: >...= > As to the cost of Alpha vs. Intel machines, by the time you1 license3; > both Charon-VAX and VMS on such a platform, you're easilyj back upD> > into Alpha pricing territory. If the underlying o.s. is W2K, add more >...  6 Where did you get your numbers from? When we looked at= Charon-VAX the pricing was very reasonable. Existing licensesd+ could be moved for a low transfer fee also.b   -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.p) Serving Southern Ontario/Western New Yorkp   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:38:22 +0200p$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar+ Message-ID: <00A1E63D.7DCF7B88.29@decus.de>i  + "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote:o  / > On 11 Apr 2003 at 18:24, Michael Unger wrote:.G > > I still don't understand why this emulator is running on a Winwoes oK > > platform (letting aside the Alpha version) and not based on a reliable y > > real-time OS.  > G > It's a disgusting thought, but many customers *want* Windows.  These a" > people tend to be non-technical.  D That's disgusting indeed. Do they really "want" the reliability and ; security of Winwoes? (Considering DoS attacks for example.)   F I thought of an Intel-CPU-based system running a small, efficient and G "hard real-time" OS (VxWorks, OS-9, pSOS, ...) and "Charon-VAX" as the iH application. That would avoid all the unneccessary overhead of a "fully E featured" (well, "featured" is questionable at least for Winwoes) OS.o  F > If you want a very reliable host OS, CHARON-VAX also runs under VMS 7 > on Alpha.  Surely you can't complain about that   ;-)rE I suppose that hardware platform would be a tiny bit more expensive,   wouldn't it?   Michaelh   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:54:25 -0600 ( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com>0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar$ Message-ID: <3E9AE7C1.2@ecubics.com>   Peter Weaver wrote:s > 8 > Where did you get your numbers from? When we looked at? > Charon-VAX the pricing was very reasonable. Existing licensesg- > could be moved for a low transfer fee also.s  * Is anybody actually bying the Charon-VAX ?? There is a lot of talk here about selling, looking into, etc...z  F But anybody out here really bought it, orderered (and received !) the . transfer licenses, and is running this thing ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:25:08 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retai 8 Message-ID: <udol9v44e1rfma0kmi5u82dtt5pqsd7unl@4ax.com>  E On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:32:10 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyf. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:   >  >s
 >jlsue wrote:n   >> d >> PD >> Well, the article attributes the 28% to the OpenVMS upgrade.  TheH >> hardware change isn't relevant because I'm not making claims that the >> hardware is x% faster.s >> >MA >No it doesn't how many times do you need to be told, the articlee= >talks about a hardware upgrade and an OS upgrade but has onefC >performance number 28%. Clarify it or stop using it as an example.1  D Bullshit it doesn't.  I don't care *how many* times you tell me.  ItC says specifically, in an EXACT QUOTE, that the vms upgrade gave the E 28% performance increase.  I have provided proof, within the article,2F to support my claim.  Your position is only one of conjecture based on your own self-serving opinions.G  F You can keep repeating your lies, but you can't support it with actual" data/info/quotes from the article.   >tH >> My claim, once again, is that we do have customers who are happy withG >> their GS systems, and some even run database applications.  You have4I >> consistenly argued that this can't be true, based on industry standardsH >> benchmarks.  And I keep saying that the benchmarks <> the real world,F >> and this is one example of a customer who is happy with the result. >> t >s; >But you keep failing to provide numbers that indicate whatt7 >performance gains you customers have seen. Why is thisn >so difficult ?   D There's no reason to provide exact numbers, I only make claims aboutC *happy customers existing* - why do you keep harping about specificdD performance numbers?  YOU are the only one here that keeps insistingC specific performance problems, that is why you are stuck looking atmA numbers.  I have provided two examples of happy customers, and myoF argument is that the performance "numbers" that you keep harping about does not tell the whole story.   >  >r> >> In that respect, yes I can use it as a reference because itG >> demonstrates a happy customer.  The performance numbers given aren'tn >> relevant to my point. >> l > 7 >But you cannot reference the customer and none of your 7 >customer testimonals for GS systems with the exceptione; >of the Bank Austia one (which you cannot explain) actuallya= >talk about customers experiences with GS boxes, they instead ; >talk about what the customers are hoping to get from their - >systems which is a entirely different thing.v  3 They are still happy GS customers.  Like it or not.       E >> But they are HAPPY CUSTOMERS according to the article.  Unless you D >> have some evidence that proves otherwise, why would you insist on# >> arguing against their judgement?t >> u >h= >Sure, Sequent customers were happy, that is until they foundo= >that they could have been doing more with less. Now that wash8 >forced on them by IBM's aquisition, very few checked up >till then.n  C Ho hum.... when you can't prove your point, mis-direct the argument 5 another direction.  Sorry, I'm not playing that game.   ? NOTE, however, that you FINALLY admitted that we may have happyv GS-series customers.   Thanks, it's about time.   >e >oH >> Whatever.  You can't possibly have enough information to substantiateH >> this claim for this customer.  You'll have to forgive those of us whoB >> are willing to accept that they are capable of making the rightE >> decisions for their business in spite of not consulting you first._ >> c >> s >y4 >Of course I have, your benchmarks prove this claim. >t  C They do not prove claims of specific customer experiences.  You caneF claim whatever you want, but nobody believes that benchmarks representC their real-world applications, unless and until they've verified itiC with their own applications.  Why do you waste so much time on thisc weak, stupid argument?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:50:15 +0100n' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyeY Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retait. Message-ID: <3E9AE6C7.9060208@nospamn.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:G > On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:32:10 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyr0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  >> >>jlsue wrote: >  >  >>>pD >>>Well, the article attributes the 28% to the OpenVMS upgrade.  TheH >>>hardware change isn't relevant because I'm not making claims that the >>>hardware is x% faster.d >>>  >>B >>No it doesn't how many times do you need to be told, the article> >>talks about a hardware upgrade and an OS upgrade but has oneD >>performance number 28%. Clarify it or stop using it as an example. >  > F > Bullshit it doesn't.  I don't care *how many* times you tell me.  ItE > says specifically, in an EXACT QUOTE, that the vms upgrade gave the G > 28% performance increase.  I have provided proof, within the article, H > to support my claim.  Your position is only one of conjecture based on! > your own self-serving opinions.  > H > You can keep repeating your lies, but you can't support it with actual$ > data/info/quotes from the article. >   C So tell us what was the impact of moving from Turbolaser to GS160 !w  @ You claim that the customer reference is for the VMS upgrade and? you claim that the result of this upgrade was a 28% performance < improvement. That means that the customer has measured their< performance in which case they must have the results for the TurboLaser upgrade.h  8 If you cannot find these numbers then I suggest that you stop BSing and give it a rest.   > H >>>My claim, once again, is that we do have customers who are happy withG >>>their GS systems, and some even run database applications.  You havesI >>>consistenly argued that this can't be true, based on industry standardmH >>>benchmarks.  And I keep saying that the benchmarks <> the real world,F >>>and this is one example of a customer who is happy with the result. >>>O >>< >>But you keep failing to provide numbers that indicate what8 >>performance gains you customers have seen. Why is this >>so difficult ? >  > F > There's no reason to provide exact numbers, I only make claims aboutE > *happy customers existing* - why do you keep harping about specificdF > performance numbers?  YOU are the only one here that keeps insistingE > specific performance problems, that is why you are stuck looking atrC > numbers.  I have provided two examples of happy customers, and myeH > argument is that the performance "numbers" that you keep harping about  > does not tell the whole story. >   2 Oh come on how much of an idiot do you need to be.  7 1. You have published a whole slew of benchmark results:6     from apps benchmarks like Kingston, SAP and Oracle4     Apps that show that there is a major performance0     problem (unless being last is a good thing).  5 2. You have published a whole slew of TPC-C and TPC-H 6     results which arn't apps benchmarks but which show     exactly the same thing.   4 3. Your customers publish articles on this newsgroup4     confirming that they have the issues highlighted      by your own benchmark teams.  5 4. Your engineers tell customers that there is a NUMAg
     issue.  < 5. Your engineers publish a bunch of white papers describing;     the latency and bandwidth characteristics of the GS 320 9     which allow people to work out exactly what is at the      root of the problem.  4 And you have the idiocity to claim that there are no4 performance problems, without yourself being able to3 provide on concrete example that stands scrutiny tog support your conjecture.  5 And then to cap it all you accuse me of being a lyingr8 bullshitter. You really need to get in front of a mirror more often.y   >  >>> >>>In that respect, yes I can use it as a reference because itG >>>demonstrates a happy customer.  The performance numbers given aren'ta >>>relevant to my point. >>>c >>8 >>But you cannot reference the customer and none of your8 >>customer testimonals for GS systems with the exception< >>of the Bank Austia one (which you cannot explain) actually> >>talk about customers experiences with GS boxes, they instead< >>talk about what the customers are hoping to get from their. >>systems which is a entirely different thing. >  > 5 > They are still happy GS customers.  Like it or not.h >   9 How the heck do you know, they are all references writtene before they got the boxes.  : I know that HP has the Invent tagline (ha ha) but the news9 that you have invented a working time machine will really  be newsworthy.   >  >  > E >>>But they are HAPPY CUSTOMERS according to the article.  Unless youlD >>>have some evidence that proves otherwise, why would you insist on# >>>arguing against their judgement?  >>>e >>> >>Sure, Sequent customers were happy, that is until they found> >>that they could have been doing more with less. Now that was9 >>forced on them by IBM's aquisition, very few checked upp >>till then. >  > E > Ho hum.... when you can't prove your point, mis-direct the argumente7 > another direction.  Sorry, I'm not playing that game.s > A > NOTE, however, that you FINALLY admitted that we may have happys > GS-series customers. >    No re-read what I wrote.  5 Incedentally how many Sequent boxes are sold today ??r   Regards  Andrew Harrisonu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:09:28 +0100a( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>N Subject: Re: Personal Firewalls - was Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected) Message-ID: <3E9A7AC8.2E986BC3@127.0.0.1>i   JF Mezei wrote:e >  > Paul Sture wrote:nK > > pretty scathing about "personal firewalls" such as BlackIce Defender or  > > ZoneAlarm. Here's the link:w+ > > http://www.samspade.org/d/persfire.html 6 > > and '"Personal Firewalls" are mostly snake-oil' at, > > http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.html > L > Is there anyone who really beleived that a piece of windows software could6 > ever protect its own instance of a windows machine ?  ; A port sniffer type worm or virus is blocked by firewalling-% applications, so there is some value.-  E Sam Spade is scathing from the point of view that these products viewrH all requests as "intrusions" which as it points out is generally not the4 case, it only ends up making the user more paranoid.   -- o? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences' nclews at csc dot com(   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 11:09:02 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>N Subject: Re: Personal Firewalls - was Email to Geoff.Graves@hp.com is rejected3 Message-ID: <20030414110902.10.qmail@gacracker.org>   > On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote: >JF Mezei wrote: >> t >> Paul Sture wrote:L >> > pretty scathing about "personal firewalls" such as BlackIce Defender or  >> > ZoneAlarm. Here's the link:, >> > http://www.samspade.org/d/persfire.html7 >> > and '"Personal Firewalls" are mostly snake-oil' atu- >> > http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.htmlr >> oM >> Is there anyone who really beleived that a piece of windows software couldo7 >> ever protect its own instance of a windows machine ?t > < >A port sniffer type worm or virus is blocked by firewalling& >applications, so there is some value.  I Since I started using Kerio on my PC, I'd say these software firewalls dotB have some value. Every layer of security you can add helps make anF intrusion more difficult. Comparing Kerio with ZoneAlarm, I'd call the
 latter a toy.A  F >Sam Spade is scathing from the point of view that these products viewI >all requests as "intrusions" which as it points out is generally not theo5 >case, it only ends up making the user more paranoid."  K Well, amongst other things, I've been able to lock down Outhouse Express so@B that it can only access a limited set of ports and addresses. WithD everything else denied, I get lots of HTML mail which doesn't render	 properly.      Doc. --  : Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:40:02 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>' Subject: Re: Question about acronym IPFe/ Message-ID: <3E9A49A5.D6741D04@vl.videotron.ca>c   Tom Linden wrote:  > : > Itanium Processor Family.  Pretty small family, however.  
 OK Thanks.  L Second question: It was my impression that "Itanium" was to IA64 was PentiumK was to 80x86. Just a brand name to a "current" set of chips implementing an H architecture. The First IA64 wasn't an Itanium, it was a Merced, right ?  N Does this mean that Intel commits to keeping "Itanium" brand name for its IA642 architecture for the remaining life of that chip ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:47:38 -0400o* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: Question about acronym IPF-2 Message-ID: <ae2cnRYLi4jh1gejXTWcow@metrocast.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagea) news:3E9A49A5.D6741D04@vl.videotron.ca...t > Tom Linden wrote:9 > >$< > > Itanium Processor Family.  Pretty small family, however. >J > OK Thanks. >yF > Second question: It was my impression that "Itanium" was to IA64 was PentiumFJ > was to 80x86. Just a brand name to a "current" set of chips implementing anJ > architecture. The First IA64 wasn't an Itanium, it was a Merced, right ?  E Merced was an internal name (as McKinley, Madison, Montecito, and now L Tanglewood are).  I believe that Merced's official product name was Itanium.C The family name is also Itanium, which made things a bit confusing.tL McKinley's official product name appears to be Itanium 2 - still part of the Itanium family, of course.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 07:11:53 -0700+ From: mark.round7@ntlworld.com (Mark Round)C= Subject: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)>< Message-ID: <28602a55.0304140611.9cf2817@posting.google.com>   Subject says it all, really.  D I've been trying to get a definitive answer on this one for a while,B but I can't find any reference material on google or on any of the FAQs.l  0 What does the $ in OpenVMS filenames etc. mean ?  E I thought at one point it was a sort of "separator" - IE:- you've got E the SYS$LOGIN name - I thought this meant the $LOGIN directory on thetC SYStem. But then I saw some filenames like TCPIP$CONFIG.COM after IeC installed TCP/IP services, so that theory soon got blown out of thee water.  " Is there a simple answer to this ?   Thanks in advance,   -Markt  F PS:- If it's a case of RTFM, could someone please tell me which M to R ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:20:03 -0400c$ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>A Subject: RE: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)sJ Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492B0E9@lespaul.process.com>   > -----Original Message-----B > From: mark.round7@ntlworld.com [mailto:mark.round7@ntlworld.com]' > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:12 AMe > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como? > Subject: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)l >  >  > Subject says it all, really. > F > I've been trying to get a definitive answer on this one for a while,D > but I can't find any reference material on google or on any of the > FAQs.- > 2 > What does the $ in OpenVMS filenames etc. mean ? > G > I thought at one point it was a sort of "separator" - IE:- you've goteG > the SYS$LOGIN name - I thought this meant the $LOGIN directory on theoE > SYStem. But then I saw some filenames like TCPIP$CONFIG.COM after IiE > installed TCP/IP services, so that theory soon got blown out of thed > water. > $ > Is there a simple answer to this ? >  > Thanks in advance, >  > -Marku > H > PS:- If it's a case of RTFM, could someone please tell me which M to R > ?u >   8 Well, it is an RTFM item, but I can't remember which FM.  F The old Digital convention holds that names (of certain files, logicalC names, symbols to be used in images, etc) supplied by Digital wouldiC contain a dollar sign.  Customers were expected never to use dollar ? signs in names they created themselves.  This would ensure that-A no conflicts would arise by digital introducing new names that a "I customer was already using.  Customers were encouraged to use underscores  instead.   -Mike Duffy1   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:25:46 -0500e From: brandon@dalsemi.com@A Subject: Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)n1 Message-ID: <03041409254666@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e  H > The old Digital convention holds that names (of certain files, logicalE > names, symbols to be used in images, etc) supplied by Digital wouldoE > contain a dollar sign.  Customers were expected never to use dollar A > signs in names they created themselves.  This would ensure thatoC > no conflicts would arise by digital introducing new names that a  K > customer was already using.  Customers were encouraged to use underscores 
 > instead.   Oh-oh.   John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fxR   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:39:52 +0100t* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>A Subject: Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)a+ Message-ID: <b7eh7q$hko@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>i  1 "Mike Duffy" <Duffy@process.com> wrote in message.D news:63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492B0E9@lespaul.process.com...  H > The old Digital convention holds that names (of certain files, logicalE > names, symbols to be used in images, etc) supplied by Digital would-J > contain a dollar sign [...] Customers were encouraged to use underscores
 > instead.  G Additionally, the part before the dollar is often an informal namespace3I qualifier. This makes having global uniqueness of filenames/logicals etc.eF easier. tcpip$ roughly equates to com.digital.tcpip. in Java parlance.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 11:20:40 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) A Subject: Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)P3 Message-ID: <5Jv2g2gnfeaN@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  j In article <28602a55.0304140611.9cf2817@posting.google.com>, mark.round7@ntlworld.com (Mark Round) writes:   > Subject says it all, really.  C No it does not.  The purpose of the subject is to indicate the area @ of discussion, so people can figure out whether they would be of@ assistance before they open the post.  Your subject was no help.  F > I've been trying to get a definitive answer on this one for a while,D > but I can't find any reference material on google or on any of the > FAQs.e > 2 > What does the $ in OpenVMS filenames etc. mean ?  I As in other namespaces, the dollar sign terminates a "registered facilityiH name".  A filename (or file type) beginning with TEC$ is associated withG the TECO facility.  A filename (or file type) beginning with SNADTF$ iso/ associated with the SNA Data Transfer Facility.f  C This distinguishes filename specified by various VMS components andeD layered products (including third party products) from site-specific
 filenames.  G VMS Development owns the registration business, but I believe they have ) currently outsourced it to a third party.D   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 10:16:49 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)A Subject: Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :) = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0304140916.5d5b3ac6@posting.google.com>2  o mark.round7@ntlworld.com (Mark Round) wrote in message news:<28602a55.0304140611.9cf2817@posting.google.com>...e > Subject says it all, really. > F > I've been trying to get a definitive answer on this one for a while,D > but I can't find any reference material on google or on any of the > FAQs., > 2 > What does the $ in OpenVMS filenames etc. mean ? > G > I thought at one point it was a sort of "separator" - IE:- you've gotdG > the SYS$LOGIN name - I thought this meant the $LOGIN directory on theaE > SYStem. But then I saw some filenames like TCPIP$CONFIG.COM after IdE > installed TCP/IP services, so that theory soon got blown out of the- > water. > $ > Is there a simple answer to this ? >  > Thanks in advance, >  > -Markc > H > PS:- If it's a case of RTFM, could someone please tell me which M to R > ?u    = The part before the $ is normally the facility name. The $ is B "reserved" (but not enforced) for "Digital" use. Customer apps andA third party apps and any other apps not written by HP for VMS areo+ supposed to use an underscore in its place.   ; You may find more info about this and other exciting namings> conventions in "Guide to Creating OpenVMS Modular Procedures".   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmann   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:04:30 -0400a! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>e1 Subject: Re: RL0? Can someone tell me what it is?o' Message-ID: <3E9ABFEE.368A9BC0@vcu.edu>D  E others have said what it is... the dscs8 is a copy/backup program for  rsx11m, I think.  G Disk Save and Compress S(ystem??) 8, it may have kept the name from therD pdp-8's... we used it on a pdp-11 aeons ago...   nice sweet program,H basically like Norton Ghost, with the exception that it's more boring to watch run..u  H trivia, our pdp-11/23 could format an rlo2 just as fast as a VAX 8650...% so it must have been a slow device...e   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > F > I've unearthed a removable Pack about 18 inches in diameter with one > platter in it. > H > It was DL0: A1 a system pack from spring of 1982.  The label says from >        DSCS8.0 >  > Is this an RL01 pack?D >  > Is it from a PDP-8?i >  > What was the capacity? > M > (The case is grey with a blue handle with a gray "| d | i | g | i | t | a |e >        l |"  logo on it.".   --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:59:01 +0100u' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility .... Message-ID: <3E9AB095.7050809@nospamn.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:N > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote in message( > news:3e9492a9_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com... > % >>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"  > ) > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  > 7 >>wrote in message news:3E9443DF.902@nospamn.sun.com...i >> >>>n >>>Fred Kleinsorge wrote:h >>>t' >>>>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"s >>>t) >><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>s >>; >>>>wrote in message news:3E91646C.50502@nospamn.sun.com...  >>>> >>>>E >>>>Hmmm.  Sparc sucks.  Supposedly Opteron won't.  Both are 64-bits.  >>>> >>>21 >>>Humm and your first conjecture is one that you / >>>have never managed to sucessfully justify soE1 >>>why not drop it, you have hung yourself out tol1 >>>dry so many times on this point alone that its-& >>>embarassing if not a trifle boring. >>>0 >>H >>Actually, all Sun has done lately is to pioneer new ways to break SpecB >>benchmarks.  Ol' sparc'y is a trailing edge design with mediocre >>performance. >  > G > Perhaps you should actually acquaint yourself with recent SPARC-based K > benchmarks (and those of the rest of the competition) before presuming to5( > comment upon its relative performance. > J > For example, while it trails PA8700+ somewhat in SPECint performance, itL > leads it sufficiently in SPECfp performance to suggest that it would stillK > lead it even without Sun's recent 'creative' compiler optimizations.  AndtJ > while its SPECfp_rate scores can't match EV7's or Itanic2's, they exceedN > both POWER4's and PA-RISC's (and scale more linearly than Itanic's and aboutJ > as linearly as EV7's).  Its SPECint_rate scores aren't bad either (about' > equal to PA-RISC's at 64 processors).e >    Couple of things.e  B 1.  Sun's SPECfp and SPECint performance improvements are entirelyB      legitimate. The optimisations have been extensively discussed?      and they are not SPEC specific and are usefull outside the B      narrow boundaries of the SPECint and SPECfp benchmarkd. FredsE      allegation that they are a new way of "breaking" SPEC benchmarks1?      is an old one that has been totally trashed on a number of C      occasions. It is hugely regretable that he seems to think that.=      if he repeats the slur often enough it will be beleived.u  ? 2.  Sun outperforms the PA8700+ on SPECrate_int and SPECrate_fp ;      it also outperforms the P690 on SPECrate_fp by a handy B      margin while only being slightly slower than the P690 on int.B      Sun also outperforms the best that you can get from large SMP&      Itanium boxes on both int and fp.  C                       Sun F12/15 HP Dome IBM P690 SGI  GS1280 IA-64e@ 16 CPU SPECrate_int  119        N/A     131      91.6 162    117@ 32 CPU SPECrate_int  232        N/A     249      183  N/A    N/A@ 64 CPU SPECrate_int  436        413     N/A      362  N/A    N/A@ Max SPECrate_int     478        413     249     1402  162    N/A  @ 16 CPU SPECrate_fp   174        N/A     145      83.2 274    159@ 32 CPU SPECrate_fp   338        N/A     260     166   N/A    303@ 64 CPU SPECrate_fp   645        288     N/A     327   N/A    N/A@ Max SPECrate_fp      717        288     260    1215   274    303  > Couple of things to note. Itanium systems scalability even for9 something relatively simple like SPECrate_fp is terrible.m  9 The NEC 32 way system does 303 SPECrate_fp while a singlec: 1 GHZ Itanium 2 does 16.6 so the NEC is getting 57% of the8 peak. Incedentally even the 4 way HP Itanium boxes start7 tanking early. A 4 way box does 49 SPECrate_fp only 74%  of peak.  @ The Dome is the worst performer of all on SPECrate_fp suggesting> that its backplane is the issue, SPECfp has a larger footprint= than int showing up bandwidth and latency issues earlier than,	 int does.e  < The GS1280 does well on a per CPU basis but you can only get: 16 way machines, when the larger systems come out both IBM= and Sun will have faster modules available for their servers.e  ? Amusing isn't it. Freddy claims that Itanium trashes SPARC whenl< in fact for large Servers the target market for Itanium this isn't true.-   regards- Andrew HarrisonoI > And, of course, with a peak power consumption of 53 Watts it makes bothd9 > Itanic2 and EV7 look like real pigs in that department.f >  > ? >>>Just as a hint, the multi-core Power 4 isn't a CMT processore; >>>and while some P4's support hyperthreading it also isn't  >>>what we are implimenting. >>>  >>J >>The research indicates Sun respin of old designs in newer processes, and >>nothing really *new* >  > K > Guess you missed the 'Niagara' development based on the Afara technology.oK > But the apparent inadequacy of your own research skills doesn't make thate
 > surprising.  > 6 >  - or anything that even comes close to matching the > 0 >>performance of almost *any* contemporary chip. >  > L > As I said above, perhaps you'd be better advised to acquaint yourself withM > such issues before spewing such garbage:  it really doesn't reflect well on E > you.  While you're at it, if you want to see *really* trailing-edge@K > performance from a contemporary chip you might take a look at MIPS (whichdJ > your employer still seems to be selling fairly effectively in its Tandem
 > offerings)." >  > - bill >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 08:48:18 -0700* From: riplips <riplips_member@newsguy.com>V Subject: Re: starting batch job on windows machine when process on vms alpha completes( Message-ID: <b7el820579@drn.newsguy.com>  P Does windoz have a rshd (rsh deamon)? I've never been able to find one. It wouldK be nice to just send an rsh command to windoz that kicks off the .bat file.o  J In article <qocma.13395$RE3.946915@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Tim says... >tK >IIRC, the "polling" solution only required adding 4 or 5 lines to the .bat'M >file. I agree that ip communication with the NT box to start the .bat is thehF >best solution. I had this same setup (move files to Windoze, then runM >something on Windoze) and used my suggestion until I had an ip app completednB >(the ip app took a little longer than modifying the .bat file ;-) >Tim >n> >"Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net> wrote in message* >news:v9i4umt7cgkv88@corp.supernews.com...4 >> "Tim Brown" <tbrownsr@sc.rr.com> wrote in message: >> news:ljZla.12040$RE3.848925@twister.southeast.rr.com...H >> > You could make the last file you ftp an additional one byte file to >> "signal" H >> > the .bat to run. Set up the .bat to check if the signal file exists >(onceM >> > every minute, 5 minutes, etc.). If the signal file exists, delete it and  >> run >> > your .bat apps. >> > Tim >> > >>L >> You could also do what we did - to write a small program to run on the NTJ >> box (using TCP/IP) to listen for a connection and accept a message thatL >> tells 1) what file to use, 2) where it is on the NT server, 3) what to doL >> with it (what program to run to process the file), and 4) what to do withF >> the file after processing is completed (delete, etc.) The VAX had a >commandD >> line program that could be run in a DCL com file that was used toI >> communicate with the receiving program on the NT box. The DCL com file  >FTP'dK >> the file over and sent the command structure over and the NT box had thetL >> work done. The NT box acknowledged the messages from the VAX and put them >in H >> a queue until it got around to handling them. There are sample TCP/IP >socket L >> programs on the VAX in SYS$EXAMPLES that you can look at to get the idea. >On0F >> the NT site I used a socket library package to make the job easier. >>E >> This method gets around polling for data. You wouldn't believe how-5 >> inefficient polling is over the course of a month!. >>L >> Because this was on a local LAN, no real security was needed or provided. >ItoJ >> would not be difficult to provide security, requiring a NT username andH >> Password before accepting the work, or only accepting the work from a >> specific IP address, etc. >>M >> As this was supposed to be short lived, we did not code this as a service,o* >> but that would have been our next step. >>B >> I've taken a little "poetic" license with my description as our >applicationE >> actually submitted the file from the NT server TO the VAX. The VAX1
 >submittedI >> a job into a batch queue that transmitted the file to an IBM mainframe4H >> through a DEC  SNAgateway and the data was put into a database on theK >> Mainframe as well as on the VAX. We had the VAX and the NT server lockedr >upeM >> in our computer room and had it configured to automatically log in at boot M >> time and run the transfer application from the NT start menu. The receiver F >> on the VAX was started automatically when our SCADA application was >brought >> up. >>L >> As I am now retired, I do not have the source to the code anymore, but it0 >> would not be terribly difficult to re-create. >> >> Stuart Johnsonk >> >> >l >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:56:42 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy ' Subject: Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMSo. Message-ID: <3E9AA1FA.6040009@nospamn.sun.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Scott Vieth wrote: >   G > Well, take the subject of the original post very literally. AttachingCJ > the library to the SAN is one thing. Getting VMS to recognize and accessJ > the drives is of much broader scope, and that is the specific area whereD > I need the expertise of someone who has already been where I'm now > trekking.1 > D > By appearances, I am blazing a VMS trail here as few, if any, haveH > already done what I'm trying to do, including the vendors selling thisI > stuff. They know it's possible, but when it comes to "how", they're all? > left scratching their heads. >      Humm.s  A I think you are asking the wrong people, you should be telling HPs and STK what you want.   Let me give you an example.V  > 18 months ago the customer I advise wanted to build a Tape SAN+ using Sun and STK hardware plus Veritas SW.,  = STK and Sun told the customer that the current support matrixn> for Solaris/STK didn't support a FC based solution, SCSI being the supported alternative.  < Customer said, OK but there isn't any major technical reason9 why it shouldn't work, so please can you make it work ande8 qualify it so that Sun and STK can support it. The major; issue was STK qualification not any technical showstoppers.U  9 We did and they have a working supported solution. Qlogict7 HBA's FC -> Brocade FC-AL -> 9940A/B Veritas Netbackup.a  8 I would have thought that this is a better model for you. than you trying to solve the problem yourself.  8 Now if it tunrs out that it cannot be done using OpenVMS: because none of the FC adaptors support FCP 2 or something9 like that, then you have a major technical issue, but you ; also have a very good case as a RFE for OpenVMS engineeringt because it should support it.    Regards  Andrew Harrisona   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:48:22 GMTe3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)h# Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?e0 Message-ID: <G_yma.753$Bk1.142@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 In article <b76rr6$bk8bc$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  E >      ... I would love to see what kind of performance one would get E >out of a VAX or PDP-11 CPU fabbed with the technology we have today.h  5 A nice thought, but would not give 64 bit capability.tF And since it cannot be done "for free", money goes to the 64 bit CPUs.   -- tJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 07:23:11 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)P Subject: Re: VMS Engineering quality standards, was: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN3 Message-ID: <RxcQyiDRFjSd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <20030411220131.69907.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes: @ > I think the HP OpenVMS engineering is not guilty about this ! C > As the drivers are PCI based there are a lot of issues involved !lC > PCI is an "open" architecture ... I remeber I dindt have problemscB > with VAX hardware or Sun Microssytem S-BUS controllers ! Because/ > these hardwares were built almost in-house ! l >   G The problem here Fabio is not that they have problems with interpretingmL device specifications - that is a problem that I can _fully_ understand. :-)  K The problem is that what appear to me to be simple errors, like not running / writeboot on a replaced APB.EXE, are been made.n  # As I have just commented in E-Mail:   D Given my system programming interests, this problem with APB.EXE hasL really rattled me, as in my eyes the requirements of APB.EXE (run writeboot,H contiguous, etc) should be really basic and general knowledge for anyone working on VMS itself.   Simon.   -- eB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:56:10 -0700 (PDT).. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>P Subject: Re: VMS Engineering quality standards, was: Re: Problem with VMS731_LAN@ Message-ID: <20030414165610.26890.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>   Simon    I just gave an example !     Sds   
 Fbio Cardoso G --- Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote: H > In article <20030411220131.69907.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio, > Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:B > > I think the HP OpenVMS engineering is not guilty about this ! E > > As the drivers are PCI based there are a lot of issues involved !lE > > PCI is an "open" architecture ... I remeber I dindt have problems D > > with VAX hardware or Sun Microssytem S-BUS controllers ! Because1 > > these hardwares were built almost in-house ! n > >  > I > The problem here Fabio is not that they have problems with interpretingtN > device specifications - that is a problem that I can _fully_ understand. :-) > M > The problem is that what appear to me to be simple errors, like not running:1 > writeboot on a replaced APB.EXE, are been made.e > % > As I have just commented in E-Mail:  > F > Given my system programming interests, this problem with APB.EXE hasN > really rattled me, as in my eyes the requirements of APB.EXE (run writeboot,J > contiguous, etc) should be really basic and general knowledge for anyone > working on VMS itself. >  > Simon. >  > -- TD > Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       N > VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilb fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?= Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and moreg http://tax.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:22:28 +0100p( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>" Subject: Re: What is a VMS Cluster) Message-ID: <3E9A6FC4.3D4BEFAA@127.0.0.1>r   "John N." wrote: > N > Of course, I know what a VMS Cluster is.  I have been working with VMS sinceM > 1981 and with Clusters since 1986.  I guess my problem is that I understand L > them so well that it is difficult for me to explain to PHMs what they are,? > and what their advantage are over other "so-called" clusters.n > M > Can you guys help me come up with a simple definition of what a VMS Clustere. > is, and why it is better than the imposters?  7 A shared everything co-operative computing environment.i  G The areas the other 'clusters' tend to fall down in are in the areas ofuC multiple interconnect failover processing, shared disparate storagetE access, programmable shared resource interlocking, true single systeme> image capability, true multiple geographic service dispersion.  C Those that don't tend to burn a bigger hole in your pocket than VMSe does.u -- r? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencest nclews at csc dot comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:56:31 +0100o* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>% Subject: Re: XDM problems (TCPIP 5.3)i+ Message-ID: <b7e0kh$tsm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>d  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messager) news:3E9A4620.61D1D3EE@vl.videotron.ca...   M > Can anyone tell me what the "header 1 2 1" and "header 1 7 34" and "Request  > respond 34" mean ?  A (Protocol Version, Opcode, Length). What you have is essentially:e  ) [2] Query ->   Alpha     Willing <- Alphas( [7] Request-> Alpha     Decline <- Alpha  Q So. It appears that the Alpha didn't like the address data in the request packet.eN If you want to hack this further, a copy of xdmcp.ps from an X11 distribution,J and a full packet trace on the XDM port would be good places to start. YouH might like to check if there are known problems on the client side also.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:48:37 -0400h0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: XDM problems (TCPIP 5.3)a/ Message-ID: <3E9AD851.7D215310@vl.videotron.ca>w   Richard Brodie wrote:Y+ > [2] Query ->   Alpha     Willing <- AlphaN* > [7] Request-> Alpha     Decline <- Alpha > S > So. It appears that the Alpha didn't like the address data in the request packet.e  S Actually, it is on a VAX... (which probably means that they didn't test it on VAX).r  G What I don't quite understand is why the VMS XDM server would be saying J "willing" if it didn't like the address. It is a like a girl saying yes toE sex, but then changing her mind once you start to drop your pants :-)y    P > If you want to hack this further, a copy of xdmcp.ps from an X11 distribution,L > and a full packet trace on the XDM port would be good places to start. YouJ > might like to check if there are known problems on the client side also.  0 Thanks for the pointer. Will seek that document.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.206 ************************