1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 15 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 207       Contents: Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit  Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit  Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit  Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit & Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX& Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX) Re: DECchip 21030/21130 graphics chipset. ( Re: DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker? Re: DECnet hacker?! Excellent new OpenVMS Testimonial  Re: Fiber channel question4 Re: Hewlett-Packard First in Online Customer Respect' RE: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar ' Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar P Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retai Process Quota Tuning RE: Process Quota Tuning Re: Process Quota Tuning Re: Process Quota Tuning8 Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)8 RE: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)8 Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)8 Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)P Re: SIMH 2.10-4 released: major bug fixes to PDP-8, PDP-11, VAX, PDP-15, Interda/ Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...  Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMS Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?1 Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report  Re: vmsnet.* groups  Re: vmsnet.* groups  Re: What is a VMS Cluster  Re: XDM problems (TCPIP 5.3) Re: XDM problems (TCPIP 5.3) Re: XDM problems (TCPIP 5.3) Re: XDM problems (TCPIP 5.3) Re: Your opinion requested  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:51:10 -0500  From: Bob Nestor <bob@bob.org>$ Subject: Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit= Message-ID: <bob-3924CA.18511014042003@east.isp.giganews.com>   , In article <3E99E240.8230.3E6981@localhost>,,  "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote:  , > On 11 Apr 2003 at 16:39, Bob Nestor wrote:F > > I must be missing something here.  The VAX simh freeware works.  IH > > runs all the DEC diagnostics so I can't imagine it is much different2 > > from the Charon kit - other than speed.  [...] > H > The big difference is that CHARON-VAX resellers support the product.  G > I'd be glad to sell you a simh solution -- but most of the people on  F > the list are focused on FREE.  Sorry, I'm already doing enough free H > stuff for my local schools, church, etc.  I need something to pay the F > bills -- because no one whose services I use (water, gas, electric, 3 > phone, ISP, house mortgage, etc.) works for free.  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com   C I wasn't aware that I was asking you for a simh solution - free or  G otherwise.  As a former DEC Sr. Software Engineer supporting VAX along  F with my association with NetBSD and basic knowledge of C I felt quite H comfortable with the simh solution.  Obviously I was successful since I G was able to get it running on multiple platforms.  As you pointed out,  I most people here are looking for free solutions and I posted that a free  @ solution is readily available.  Please feel free to continue to F contribute your time freely in support of your local schools, church,  etc.   -bob   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:14:33 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit' Message-ID: <3E9B6B09.20EF9D77@fsi.net>    Bob Nestor wrote:  > . > In article <3E99E240.8230.3E6981@localhost>,. >  "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote: > . > > On 11 Apr 2003 at 16:39, Bob Nestor wrote:H > > > I must be missing something here.  The VAX simh freeware works.  IJ > > > runs all the DEC diagnostics so I can't imagine it is much different4 > > > from the Charon kit - other than speed.  [...] > > H > > The big difference is that CHARON-VAX resellers support the product.H > > I'd be glad to sell you a simh solution -- but most of the people onG > > the list are focused on FREE.  Sorry, I'm already doing enough free I > > stuff for my local schools, church, etc.  I need something to pay the G > > bills -- because no one whose services I use (water, gas, electric, 5 > > phone, ISP, house mortgage, etc.) works for free.  > >  > > --Stan Quayle  > > Quayle Consulting Inc. > >  > > ----------G > > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 5 > > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 A > > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com  > D > I wasn't aware that I was asking you for a simh solution - free orH > otherwise.  As a former DEC Sr. Software Engineer supporting VAX alongG > with my association with NetBSD and basic knowledge of C I felt quite I > comfortable with the simh solution.  Obviously I was successful since I H > was able to get it running on multiple platforms.  As you pointed out,1 > most people here are looking for free solutions   D Well, I'd be careful there. I'd be so bold as to say that many folksA here are looking for a solution that's price-competitive with the : alternatives, before I'd lump so many under the heading of "free-loaders".    > and I posted that a free   ...but unsupported...   A > solution is readily available.  Please feel free to continue to G > contribute your time freely in support of your local schools, church,  > etc.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:29:27 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>$ Subject: Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit, Message-ID: <3E9B6E87.5040607@tsoft-inc.com>   Bob Nestor wrote:   . > In article <3E99E240.8230.3E6981@localhost>,. >  "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote: >  > , >>On 11 Apr 2003 at 16:39, Bob Nestor wrote: >>E >>>I must be missing something here.  The VAX simh freeware works.  I G >>>runs all the DEC diagnostics so I can't imagine it is much different 1 >>>from the Charon kit - other than speed.  [...]     Q  From a hobbyist perspective, you're right, simh is probably a good direction to  I go.  However, not everyone is capable of supporting such in a commercial  N environment.  For such, a user has to know that he can pick up the phone when T there is a problem, and the entity he calls will do something to handle his problem.    H >>The big difference is that CHARON-VAX resellers support the product.  G >>I'd be glad to sell you a simh solution -- but most of the people on  F >>the list are focused on FREE.  Sorry, I'm already doing enough free H >>stuff for my local schools, church, etc.  I need something to pay the F >>bills -- because no one whose services I use (water, gas, electric, 3 >>phone, ISP, house mortgage, etc.) works for free.   P That basically shows the problem with freeware.  I'm sure there are many who do K this stuff for pleasure, to some extent.  However, free software is rather  I unique.  Labor intensive stuff without paying for the labor.  Utilities,  J mortgage, food, and the other requirements of life are not provided free. N Should we start taking up collections to support programmers?  Hey, put me at H the head of the list.  But, if none of us are making any money, who can B contribute?  Guess I'll continue to be a money grubbing mercenary.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:02:43 -0500  From: Bob Nestor <bob@bob.org>$ Subject: Re: CHARON VAX Hobbyist kit= Message-ID: <bob-2C6B85.22024314042003@east.isp.giganews.com>   ' In article <3E9B6B09.20EF9D77@fsi.net>, 3  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   I > > > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 7 > > > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 C > > > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com  > > F > > I wasn't aware that I was asking you for a simh solution - free orJ > > otherwise.  As a former DEC Sr. Software Engineer supporting VAX alongI > > with my association with NetBSD and basic knowledge of C I felt quite K > > comfortable with the simh solution.  Obviously I was successful since I J > > was able to get it running on multiple platforms.  As you pointed out,3 > > most people here are looking for free solutions  > F > Well, I'd be careful there. I'd be so bold as to say that many folksC > here are looking for a solution that's price-competitive with the < > alternatives, before I'd lump so many under the heading of > "free-loaders".  >  > > and I posted that a free >  > ...but unsupported...   D *sigh*  If you read the entire thread you'll notice that Mr. Quayle H pointed out that most people here were looking for free solutions.  You C are the first to label them as "free-loaders".  Freeware solutions  F aren't for everyone, but there are places where they are appropiate.  D Maybe I've assumed too much to think there are some users like that H here, or maybe you and Mr. Quayle have made a mistake in assuming there  are no users like that here.  E Yes, simh is free and unsupported - but it successfully runs the DEC  = system diagnostics.  Unless one is worried that the emulated  G instructions might break down under excessive use the most likely need  F for support will be for typical VMS things.  Of course you might have G need for support for the underlying host system but that isn't hard to  H find especially if you're using Windoz.  And if you remotely log into a I system running simh/VMS you would be hard pressed to know you weren't on  F a real VAX. I suspect the same is true for the commercial products as  well.   E Many old VAX systems aren't seeing new users and applications - they  F only need to continue to run the same stuff that has been running for H years.  That's certainly true where I work and support has been reduced I to a CD and an installation document.  If the damn thing breaks you drag  7 out a new PC and copy the files from the CD and reboot.    -bob   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:52:32 -0400 0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>/ Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX $ Message-ID: <3e9b036f$1@news.si.com>  E >All in all, the best solution is for the relevant governmental types E >to get rid of the moronic daylight savings time. It is just a stupid : >idea that should have never been used in the first place.  7 Yeah, that idiot Ben Franklin...  What was he thinking?  --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:54:35 -0500  From: brandon@dalsemi.com / Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX 1 Message-ID: <03041413543513@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   9 > Yeah, that idiot Ben Franklin...  What was he thinking?   C Was that before or after he tied a key to the string of his kite???        John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:01:29 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> / Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX ' Message-ID: <3E9B67F9.F623B039@fsi.net>    Brian Tillman wrote: > G > >All in all, the best solution is for the relevant governmental types G > >to get rid of the moronic daylight savings time. It is just a stupid < > >idea that should have never been used in the first place. > 9 > Yeah, that idiot Ben Franklin...  What was he thinking?   A Dunno, but "saving the appearances" is sometimes more politically = profitable than practicality, as many of us can give witness.   H The full hour adjustment doesn't really make sense, but it may have been= the best political compromise ol' Ben could manage, given his F contemporaries. A thirty-minute shift, once, permanently may make more1 sense, but I've not analyzed it in global detail.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:11:25 -0700 & From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>2 Subject: Re: DECchip 21030/21130 graphics chipset.( Message-ID: <3E9B785D.C6D0B9@sunset.net>  % ZLXp-E1  8-plane TGA (256 colors) 2mb   E Guessing that you've got the switch settings incorrect if you're only  getting 4 plane.  1 I will send a PDF copy of the manual if you wish.      TomC   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 18:42:20 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 1 Subject: Re: DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304141556.55518a11@posting.google.com>   g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E9A396F.AEF53083@vl.videotron.ca>... O > Is there a DECNET equivalent to ping/traceroute that would allow me to get an  > equivalent number ?   C I don't know about Traceroute, but for a Ping equivalent I use (for  DECnet Phase IV): ?    $ MCR NCP LOOP NODE <nodename> LENGTH 512 COUNT <iterations>   - To measure latency, I use this DCL procedure:    $! $! DECNET_LATENCY.COM  $! $! Measure DECnet latency  $!      P1: Remote nodename 7 $!      P2: [optional] Loop count (default=100 packets) F $!                                                      V1.0 12/5/2000B $! Note: This breaks if it happens to run across Midnight.  Sorry. $!; $! Author: Keith Parris  parris at encompasserve dot org or E $!     keithparris at yahoo dot com or keith dot parris at hp dot com + $! http://www.geocities.com/keithparris/ or ! http://encompasserve.org/~parris/  $! $       if p1 .eqs. "" $       thenD $               write sys$output "Please supply a DECnet nodename as the P1 parameter." $               exit
 $       endif  $       p1 = p1 - "::"E $       loop_count = 100        !Should take about 6 seconds at 60 ms  latency (2500 miles)? $       if f$integer(p2) .gt. 0 then loop_count = f$integer(p2) < $       write sys$output " Looping DECnet data to node ''p1, ''loop_count' packets"' $       start_time = f$cvtime(,,"TIME") < $       mcr ncp loop node 'p1' length 512 count 'loop_count'% $       end_time = f$cvtime(,,"TIME") 6 $! Calculate the difference between the two timestamps> $       s_h = f$integer(f$element(0,":",start_time))    !Hours@ $       s_m = f$integer(f$element(1,":",start_time))    !Minutes> $       temp = f$element(2,":",start_time)              !ss.cc8 $       s_s = f$integer(f$element(0,".",temp))  !Seconds> $       s_c = f$integer(f$element(1,".",temp))  !Centi-seconds $!! show symbol s_* 2 $       e_h = f$integer(f$element(0,":",end_time))2 $       e_m = f$integer(f$element(1,":",end_time))( $       temp = f$element(2,":",end_time). $       e_s = f$integer(f$element(0,".",temp)). $       e_c = f$integer(f$element(1,".",temp)) $!! show symbol e_*  $       hr = e_h - s_h $       mn = e_m - s_m $       sc = e_s - s_s $       cs = e_c - s_c $       if cs .lt. 0 $       then $               cs = cs + 100  $               sc = sc - 1 
 $       endif  $       if sc .lt. 0 $       then $               sc = sc + 60 $               mn = mn - 1 
 $       endif  $       if mn .lt. 0 $       then $               mn = mn + 60 $               hr = hr - 1 
 $       endif C $!! write sys$output f$fao("!2UL:!2ZL:!2ZL.!2ZL",hr,mn,sc,cs)   !!! 6 $       centiseconds = cs + 100*(sc + 60*(mn + 60*hr))& $       milliseconds = centiseconds*10. $!!!    latency_ms = milliseconds/'loop_count'* $       microseconds = milliseconds * 1000. $       latency_us = microseconds/'loop_count'* $       latency_ms_units = latency_us/1000B $       latency_us_fraction = latency_us - (1000*latency_ms_units)D $       write sys$output "  Average latency: ''latency_ms_units'.",-B                 f$extract(0,1,f$fao("!3ZL",latency_us_fraction)),-                  " milliseconds." $       exit   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:39:38 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? / Message-ID: <3E9B005E.FAA9E452@vl.videotron.ca>    RE: FTP hack in attempts.   K Not being entirely familiar with the inner workings of the audit server and J OPCOM, when the FTP "anonymous" attempt fails, who generates the text that8 pops up on OPCOM ? Is it the FTP process, audit server ?  L It seems to me that perhaps the audit server and opcom should be revamped toM handle TCPIP related events with TCPIP relevant information. The *impression* L I get is that FTP formats its audit alarm as if it were a decnet one becauseI it has no other way to signal the event, and that results in useless node M numbers (ok, not entirely useless, but you have to work to get to the real ip  address) etc etc.   L If FTP had a better "format" available to send its alarms, then FTP might beL able to provide more valuable information in the case of anonymous attempts.& (whether anonymous is enabled or not).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:54:18 +0200 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>  Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? 4 Message-ID: <3e9b03ce$0$28757$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote:  > RE: FTP hack in attempts.  > M > Not being entirely familiar with the inner workings of the audit server and L > OPCOM, when the FTP "anonymous" attempt fails, who generates the text that: > pops up on OPCOM ? Is it the FTP process, audit server ?  Q FTP uses, if exists, the default FTP account created with TCPIP$CONFIG.COM, i.e.  7 a genuine VMS account, managed by good old loginout.exe    D.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 15:53:50 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? 3 Message-ID: <XUqxQXGBkcO7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <3E9AE8B4.1080302@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:  G > Hmmm- Not that I've tried to set it up, but I do know that there's a  " > DECnet implementation for Linux.  G    There's a bug in the CTERM implementation, but the rest of it works.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:14:53 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>  Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? 2 Message-ID: <3E9B5CCE.772E21FF@firstdbasource.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > David Froble wrote: M > > Think about that idea.  One thing about VMS, it never shows passwords, to T > > anyone.  You're asking to see a password.  Yeah fine idea if it's someone tryingR > > to break into the system.  But what if it's a valid user who just mistyped the > > username or password.  > O > We are talking about displaying passwords for FTP "anonymous" only. Since one O > wants to know if a somewhat valid email address is being supplied, or if they P > truly send junk (or perhas the same "ramdom" password for attempts coming from > different IP adresses).   H And you think the supplied email address used for this password wouldn'tD be forged like every other hack?  Get real. I completely ignore thisC unless I do an aweful lot of work show that the password could have G originated from the same IP address and even this is not 100% accurate.    --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:21:25 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? ' Message-ID: <3E9B6CA5.C9B4211A@fsi.net>    David Froble wrote:  >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > > JF Mezei wrote:  > > / > >>>>Process name:             TCPIP$FTPC00017 ) > >>>>Username:                 anonymous 0 > >>>>Remote nodename:          f16v-1-57.d1.clu2 > >>>>Remote node id:           3569600569 (50.57), > >>>>Remote username:          FTP_D4C3C839 > >>>>R > >>I think that this opcom message really needs to be spruced up. I'd like to seeO > >>real dotted decimal TCPIP node names instead of a single integer we have to / > >>break up to find out what the real address.  > >> > >  > > Agreed.  > >  > > Z > >>Also, it would be interesting to see the "password" in the case of anonymous attempts. > >> > >  > > Whole-heartedly agreed!  > K > Think about that idea.  One thing about VMS, it never shows passwords, to 
 > anyone.   ; 1. LOGFAILs as logged to OPCOM include the failed password.   # 2. NCP under certain circumstances.   I > You're asking to see a password.  Yeah fine idea if it's someone trying P > to break into the system.  But what if it's a valid user who just mistyped the > username or password.    Only in the case of a LOGFAIL.  9 > You'd display something real close to a valid password.   2 > The guessing of a password just got much easier.  2 ...which is why the OPCOM log needs to be secured.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:23:52 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: DECnet hacker? / Message-ID: <3E9B7B48.EC69FBAC@vl.videotron.ca>    Michael Austin wrote: J > And you think the supplied email address used for this password wouldn'tF > be forged like every other hack?  Get real. I completely ignore thisE > unless I do an aweful lot of work show that the password could have I > originated from the same IP address and even this is not 100% accurate.   G When I worked on credit card fraud, (before POS became widespread), the J telephone number and lincence plate numbers added to credit card slips wasK invaluable tool for investigators. The number may be bogus, but finding all E transactions from different credit cards with the same number allowed L investigators to tie a whole bunch of stolen cards to a single group who had their "system" setup.   H Similarly, you can draw many conclusions if you are getting attacks fromB various IPs using the same email address. (same software etc etc).   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 18:25:34 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) * Subject: Excellent new OpenVMS Testimonial< Message-ID: <857e9e41.0304141436.382fdd0@posting.google.com>   Dear Newsgroup,   A Warren has put up a new customer testimonial on the web site. The A customer is  Fraport (Frankfurt, Germany airport).  Please take a E moment to look at this.  I think it is excellent. Marc Courchesne and 6 Guenter Krieble are the HP folks responsible for this.  
 Warm Regards,  Sue    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:37:51 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> # Subject: Re: Fiber channel question 2 Message-ID: <3E9B6234.31ABD3EA@firstdbasource.com>   brandon@dalsemi.com wrote: > . > > Bart Zorn [B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl] wrote:K > > Th SRM console of an Alphaserver has limited resources and can normally I > > only hold the information of up to four FC disks. Those disks must be  > O > Is it four or is it one?  I thought it was one.  Correct me if I am wrong - I N > am not about to crash my server to find out! ;-)  Is it a new Firmware or is; > it the GS140?  It has been awhile since I WWID.  Curious.  > H > With a properly configured SAN you have four access paths to the disk." > Two adapters in your VMS server: >     Adapter # 1 to hub # 1.  >     Adapter # 2 to hub # 2.  > Two SAN hubs: 6 >     Hub # 1 Path # 1 to controller # 1 primary port.6 >     Hub # 1 Path # 2 to controller # 2 primary port.8 >     Hub # 2 Path # 1 to controller # 1 secondary port.8 >     Hub # 2 Path # 2 to controller # 2 secondary port.4 > Two controllers (HSG80 redundant/multi-path pair):< >     Each controller has a primary port and secondary port.# >     Four ports, four connections.  > - > That is where you get the four connections.   8 Symantically speaking, it is 2 connections with 4 paths.     > J > > configured with the wwidmgr utility, which runs on the console. If youH > > have done it a few times, it is no more non-intuitive than the citedI > > command on Solaris. If you have to boot from a different boot device, ! > > you will have to run wwidmgr.  > J > How many times do you switch between boot drives in a production server? > K > > Things get interesting when you have to run wwidmgr on the console of a J > > partition of a GS140 system. You have to issue the init command, which, > > in turn will crash the other partitions!    = That must be the GS140 only.. I have a GS160 and a GS320 each G hard-partiioned by QBB and I use wwidmgr/init without the crash effect. B I also have an interesting use for the GS series systems requiring, reconfiguration sometimes 2-3 times a month.     >  > Damn.  >  > John Brandon > VMS Systems Administrator  > Dallas Semiconductor > john.brandon@dalsemi.com > 972.371.4172 wk  > 972.371.4003 fx      --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 18:39:20 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) = Subject: Re: Hewlett-Packard First in Online Customer Respect = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304141542.7482b41a@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3E984550.796860FB@fsi.net>...9 > This money would have been better spent on VMS adverts.   C According to the info at the URL given, this study was performed by 7 the independent consulting firm Customer Respect Group, E http://www.customerrespect.com/.  It appears they make their money by ? selling annual subscriptions to (or individual copies of) their @ reports.  I see no evidence that HP provided any funding for the study.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:17:10 -0600 - From: Meredith Ryan <mryan@tbg.riogrande.com> 0 Subject: RE: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar? Message-ID: <DCC5D4DA512CD411ACA600A0C9DECE0609F7DE35@EXCHANGE>   H I am actually running Charon VAX and have been for a few months ago.  WeI have a need to keep the data in our legacy business system available, and K for less than the cost of a year of hw/sw contracts with HP we were able to H move everything to Charon VAX.  In addition to saving 20 grand the firstF year on support, we are getting 51VUPs vs the 31VUPs we saw on our VAX7 cluster.  If you need more details contact me off list.  Thanks      
 Meredith Ryan  IS-Operations  The Bell Group (ph) 505.839.3237  (fax) 505.839.3555   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:37:23 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar' Message-ID: <3E9B3823.1020606@MMaz.com>    emanuel stiebler wrote:    > Peter Weaver wrote:  >  >>9 >> Where did you get your numbers from? When we looked at @ >> Charon-VAX the pricing was very reasonable. Existing licenses. >> could be moved for a low transfer fee also. >  > , > Is anybody actually bying the Charon-VAX ?A > There is a lot of talk here about selling, looking into, etc...  > H > But anybody out here really bought it, orderered (and received !) the 1 > transfer licenses, and is running this thing ?     Work in process...   Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:10:25 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar' Message-ID: <3E9B6A11.5BBBAC55@fsi.net>    Meredith Ryan wrote: > J > I am actually running Charon VAX and have been for a few months ago.  WeK > have a need to keep the data in our legacy business system available, and M > for less than the cost of a year of hw/sw contracts with HP we were able to J > move everything to Charon VAX.  In addition to saving 20 grand the firstH > year on support, we are getting 51VUPs vs the 31VUPs we saw on our VAX
 > cluster.  ' On what platform do you run Charon-VAX?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:08:20 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar' Message-ID: <3E9B6994.22A13A0A@fsi.net>    Peter Weaver wrote:  >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > >...? > > As to the cost of Alpha vs. Intel machines, by the time you 	 > license = > > both Charon-VAX and VMS on such a platform, you're easily 	 > back up @ > > into Alpha pricing territory. If the underlying o.s. is W2K,
 > add more > >... > & > Where did you get your numbers from?  F From SRI. Stan Q. may have mentioned some numbers at some point, also.G It ain't cheap, certainly not cheaper thanthe Intel boxes some versions  run on.    > When we looked at - > Charon-VAX the pricing was very reasonable.   B Compared to what? The original price of a VAX-9000? The price of a GS160? ...GS1280?    > Existing licenses - > could be moved for a low transfer fee also.   H ...but you still need two of them when Charon-VAX runs on OpenVMS-Alpha:/ the Alpha base license plus the VAX license(s).    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:11:34 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar' Message-ID: <3E9B6A56.F48225CF@fsi.net>    "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > >"Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:  > >  > > K > >>>Does an emulated VAX running on a licensed VMS system on an Alpha need D > >>>an OpenVMS-VAX base license? (I.e., twice license the expense?) > >>> C > >>>...or is that included in/by the underlying OpenVMS-Alpha base 
 > >>>license?  > >>>  > >>> D > >>Someone who already has a VAX, and is migrating to CHARON-VAX onG > >>Alpha, can transfer all their VAX licenses to CHARON-VAX for $1000.  > >> > >> > >>I > >Remember also that the VMS base license stays with the machine (VAX or ! > >Alpha) - it does not transfer.  > >  > > I > Not true, for the $1000 you can transfer VMS and for another $1000, you > > can transfer ALL layered products, compliments of Compaq/HP.   Is this specific to Charon-VAX?   5 The VAX is then sold/discarded without a VMS license?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:20:31 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar' Message-ID: <3E9B888F.3060706@MMaz.com>    David J. Dachtera wrote:   >"Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:  >    >  >>David J. Dachtera wrote: >> >>     >> >>>"Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:  >>>  >>> 	 >>>        >>> K >>>>>Does an emulated VAX running on a licensed VMS system on an Alpha need D >>>>>an OpenVMS-VAX base license? (I.e., twice license the expense?) >>>>> C >>>>>...or is that included in/by the underlying OpenVMS-Alpha base 
 >>>>>license?  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>            >>>>> D >>>>Someone who already has a VAX, and is migrating to CHARON-VAX onG >>>>Alpha, can transfer all their VAX licenses to CHARON-VAX for $1000.  >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>         >>>>I >>>Remember also that the VMS base license stays with the machine (VAX or ! >>>Alpha) - it does not transfer.O >>>T >>>5	 >>>      o >>>2I >>Not true, for the $1000 you can transfer VMS and for another $1000, youV> >>can transfer ALL layered products, compliments of Compaq/HP. >>     >> >e  >Is this specific to Charon-VAX? > 6 >The VAX is then sold/discarded without a VMS license? >g >    > H Me thinkest you talk too much...  How about investigating and gathering * some facts before shooting off your mouth?  F Yes, here is the link which, if you had gone to the SRI site, you too  could have easily found:  B http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/sri-charon-vax-emulator.html     Barry      -- O  @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028o   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Apr 2003 05:10:57 GMT/ From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net>A0 Subject: Re: Need to buy 8 x VAX 4000 or similar5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-MrdtU0FvFDNd@localhost>e  6 On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 05:09:43 UTC, "Barry Treahy, Jr."  <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:   > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > >"Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:s > >  u > >nK > >>>Does an emulated VAX running on a licensed VMS system on an Alpha needtD > >>>an OpenVMS-VAX base license? (I.e., twice license the expense?) > >>>lC > >>>...or is that included in/by the underlying OpenVMS-Alpha basee
 > >>>license?  > >>>      8 > >>>1D > >>Someone who already has a VAX, and is migrating to CHARON-VAX onG > >>Alpha, can transfer all their VAX licenses to CHARON-VAX for $1000.d > >> > >>     > >>I > >Remember also that the VMS base license stays with the machine (VAX or ! > >Alpha) - it does not transfer.C > >  ) > > J > Not true, for the $1000 you can transfer VMS and for another $1000, you > > can transfer ALL layered products, compliments of Compaq/HP. >  > Barry-  F Seeing as VAXen are no longer being manufactured, isn't it about time F this was dropped or made  next-to-zero cost? i.e. VAX to VAX - not VAX	 to Alpha.    -- 2 Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:23:14 GMT,& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retaie8 Message-ID: <a32m9v07fhdg0i4gjhfokjj50c14te1c8k@4ax.com>  E On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 17:50:14 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyi. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:   >e > 
 >jlsue wrote:    >> r? >>>That leaves Bank Austria which isn't a good reference unlesso@ >>>you are hell bent in illustrating how poorly GS boxes perform% >>>when compared with the TurboLaser.  >> f >>  F >> Why do you keep repeating this lie.  You are so blatant in ignoringH >> the facts in this that it amazes me that you can have any credibility >> in anything.  >>   >kG >> Show the wording in that article that states the GS160 only provides-G >> 28% improvement.  I have read very carefully through the article and7F >> there's just nothing in it to support your opinion.  The article isI >> about upgrading to a pre-release of V7.3, which is not necessarily the F >> version that came with the system (it's also supported on V7.2-1H1,G >> and V7.2-2).  So it's very possible it was delivered with an earlierhG >> release, and this win was focusing on the benefits of OpenVMS V7.3 - H >> the GS160 is just an aside, but for my purposes of showing a happy GS >> customer, it's enough.  > ? >No you show the wording that explains what the 28% performancen> >improvement was based on or shut up. Repeating the claim that> >the document says that the 28% is due to the 7.3 upgrade when> >the article talks about two events, hw upgrade and sw upgrade? >but one performance number is pointless. If you don't actuallym= >know what the reference is about then calling me a liar onlyA: >serves to make you look more confused and less competent.  > Damn, but you grasp at any straw that you think up, don't you?D I gave an exact quote that says that the vms upgrade gave them a 28%, discount, and you just refuse to believe it.  ; If complete disregard for the evidence given to you is yoursF debating/argument technique, then it's obvious that you're so dead-setD in your desire for a particular result that you are a complete waste of time.  F I find your tactics somewhat like the Iraqi minister of communicationsD who denied that US forces were anywhere near baghdad, even though we= were practically in his building (Jay Leno did a pretty funnye video-joke on that one).  E As has been shown, I can give the exact quote that supports my point,eF but you can't.  Debating what that statement actually says services to/ make you look more confused and less competent.-    > >While you are at it, what was the performance improvement for: >the hardware alone ??? Surely if you can apparently be so; >sure what the perfromance bump for the 7.3 upgrade was you49 >can also publish what the 8400->160 upgrade did for them. >if it isn't 28%.   E Not necessary to support my argument.  This is yet another attempt towD deflect the discussion somewhere else.  Too bad it won't work.  This? is a happy GS160 customer, whether you like to admit it or not.t   >  >fI >> One other thing you seem to miss in the GS vs Turbolaser discussion is F >> the scalability of the GS.  Sure, it has a slower QBB-to-QBB memoryA >> transfer rate, but the scalability is much better - especiallyfH >> compared to the Turbolaser.  The 8400's really didn't scale well whenF >> you got into the higher cpu counts.  The additional cpus would giveI >> you some added benefit, but the benefit decreases significantly, while E >> the GS decreases less significantly.  So while there is additionalaG >> latency, it can still provide greater growth potential due to better  >> scalability of the CPU. >> t > : >Ahh now you have got quite close to the real issue. Shall >I help you out. >l) >Firstly we need to clarify a few points.d >y7 >1. QBB -> QBB memory bandwidth is higher than the 8400e6 >    interconnect bandwidth. Minimum QBB -> QBB memory< >    latency is higher than the 8400 minimum memory latency. >g8 >2. QBB onboard memory bandwidth is also higher than the6 >    total interconnect bandwidth on 8400. However QBB6 >    minimum onboard memory latency is longer than the! >    8400 minimum memory latency.   @ Yes, I understand that, but the overall throughput that the 8400C actually gets, with 12 processors, is still possibly much less than 
 the GS160.   >  >Now a bit of background.o >r> >Your own performance white papers indicate that for something8 >like a DBMS over 50% of the wall clock time is actually4 >spent with the CPU stalled waiting for main memory. >iC >http://research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJO01/DTJO01HM.HTMt  : This URL brings up the 4100s performance characterization.     >oA >Your comments about 8400 scalability will also come as a supriseA> >to people who were on the receiving end of the 8400 marketing
 >campaign. >t  ? Ho hum... as if you/Sun are (or have been) lilly white in their F marketing claims over the years.  Everyone sells their products in the= best way they can, and that includes Sun.  When I worked as a F customer, I was on the receiving end of lots of Sun bullshit, so don't@ cry foul when you see something you don't like from anyone else.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:01:31 +0100t3 From: "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk>n Subject: Process Quota Tuningt3 Message-ID: <7qycnaQisrap0QajXTWcpg@brightview.com>o  K Does anybody have any good DCL scripts for monitoring quota usage levels of  running processes.  L I have one DCL command procedure in which you pass the PID of the process toK be monitored.  It monitors a few quota levels retrievable through F$GETJPI,aC and records the highest noted usage of each quota since the command  procedure has been running.a  H From using this little tool we have found that some of our processes areF running at 100% utilisation of their FILLM quota levels, so we will beH tuning the detached process initialisation command files to increase theC value.... currently taking the default PQL_DFILLM value, since none:
 specified.  E I was wondering whether anybody else had any other tools for checkingmJ whether your bespoke processes are running happy with the designated quota levels.s  D Or does anybody have any techniques for configuring quota levels for processes ?8   Many Thanks,   Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:31:20 +1200a& From: A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj>! Subject: RE: Process Quota TuningiI Message-ID: <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF01AACB8E@exchsvr.fsc.com.fj>o   ***********************Vt Your mail has been scanned by Trend InterScan Message Scanning Suite. There were no viruses detected in this e-mail. ***********-***********s     Jeff,i  5 Can you send me a copy of your command procedure plizr   thanks   -----Original Message-----8 From: Jefferson Humber [mailto:matrix01@globalnet.co.uk]& Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:02 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come Subject: Process Quota Tuningp    K Does anybody have any good DCL scripts for monitoring quota usage levels ofd running processes.  L I have one DCL command procedure in which you pass the PID of the process toK be monitored.  It monitors a few quota levels retrievable through F$GETJPI,hC and records the highest noted usage of each quota since the commandi procedure has been running.a  H From using this little tool we have found that some of our processes areF running at 100% utilisation of their FILLM quota levels, so we will beH tuning the detached process initialisation command files to increase theC value.... currently taking the default PQL_DFILLM value, since nonef
 specified.  E I was wondering whether anybody else had any other tools for checking J whether your bespoke processes are running happy with the designated quota levels.   D Or does anybody have any techniques for configuring quota levels for processes ?g   Many Thanks,   Jeff   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 03:51:24 GMTl+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>y! Subject: Re: Process Quota TuningM2 Message-ID: <BAC0CFCB.730C%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  E On 4/14/03 5:01 PM, in article 7qycnaQisrap0QajXTWcpg@brightview.com, 4 "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:  M > Does anybody have any good DCL scripts for monitoring quota usage levels ofb > running processes. > N > I have one DCL command procedure in which you pass the PID of the process toM > be monitored.  It monitors a few quota levels retrievable through F$GETJPI,cE > and records the highest noted usage of each quota since the command- > procedure has been running.0 > J > From using this little tool we have found that some of our processes areH > running at 100% utilisation of their FILLM quota levels, so we will beJ > tuning the detached process initialisation command files to increase theE > value.... currently taking the default PQL_DFILLM value, since none  > specified. > G > I was wondering whether anybody else had any other tools for checkingiL > whether your bespoke processes are running happy with the designated quota	 > levels.h > F > Or does anybody have any techniques for configuring quota levels for
 > processes ?n >  > Many Thanks, >  > Jeff >  >  >  Jeff (too many Jeffs),  3 I use this procedure CQ.COM. It is kind of like a :t   $MONITOR PROCESS/QUOTA  L If there was such a command. If you can't copy and paste it from this email,  you can download the text from :  6 http://support.mti.com/softwarecd/support_files/cq.txt   Jeff Cameron    % $! VVMTI1::U$D00:[KRUZICKI] QUOTA.COM. $!E $! ------------------------------------------------------------------t $!D $! This command file prompts the user for a process ID, and displaysE $! information about that process, including quotas, remaining quotas0C $! Image activations, Pagefile usage aproximations, page faults and:J $! process state.  Any quota that falls below 50% (see variable THRESHOLD)& $! will be highlighted in the display. $!E $! ------------------------------------------------------------------l $ on control_y then exit $ on error then exit $ on warning then exit $ margin       = "   " $ gap          = " |   " $ threshold    = 50  $ bar_line     = f$fao("!80*-")  $ blank_line   = f$fao("!80* ")e9 $ margin_line  = margin+f$fao("!36* ")+"|"+f$fao("!10* ")u6 $ heading      = "Resource    Unused   Quota %Remain "
 $ esc[0,8]=27t $ start_screen = "''esc'"+"[2J"f" $ cursor_dwell = "''esc'"+"[21;0H" $ highlight    = "''esc'"+"[7m"e $ lights_off   = "''esc'"+"[0m"  $ ws = "write sys$output"lD $ if p1 .EQS. "" then inquire/nopunc p1 "Please enter process id : " $ pid          = p1y= $ xyzxyz = f$getjpi(pid,"USERNAME") ! catches if PID is valid   $ on control_y then goto the_end $ on error then goto the_end $ on warning then goto the_end $ ws start_screent $!L $! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- $!      START MAIN PROGRAML $! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- $! $START_NEW_DISPLAY:3
 $ esc[0,8]=27s $ ws "''esc'[0;0H''bar_line'"T& $ ws " PROCESS MONITOR"+f$fao("!52* ") $ ws blank_linecC $ ws "''margin'       Process Name ''f$getjpi(pid,""PRCNAM"")'" + -     "           Process Id ''pid'"1 $ ws "''margin'       Images Invoked so far " + - =   f$fao("!#(#AS)",1,17,"''f$getjpi(pid,""IMAGECOUNT"")'") + -o/      "Username   ''f$getjpi(pid,""USERNAME"")'"e $ ws blank_lineoD $ ws "Current image "+f$fao("!#(#AS)",1,60,f$getjpi(pid,"IMAGNAME")) $ ws blank_lineeC $ ws "''margin'       Time ''f$time()'        Process State    "+ -l!   f$getjpi(pid,"STATE") + "     "C: $ ws "''margin'       Page faults "+f$fao("!#(#AS)",1,24,-6      "''f$getjpi(pid,""PAGEFLTS"")'")+"Pages Available "+f$fao("!#(#AS)",1,10,-&      "''f$getjpi(pid,""FREPTECNT"")'")
 $ ws bar_lineO $ ws "PROCESS RESOURCE QUOTAS"* $ ws "''margin'''heading'''gap'''heading'" $ ws margin_line& $ set message /nofac/noid/notext/nosev $ call DO_LINE -K        "CPU limit " "CPUTIM" "CPULIM" "+" "Direct I/O" "DIOCNT" "DIOLM" "+"f $ call DO_LINE -K        "Byte limit" "BYTCNT" "BYTLM"  "+" "Buff I/O  " "BIOCNT" "BIOLM" "+"N $ call DO_LINE -K        "Timer Q   " "TQCNT"  "TQLM"   "+" "File Lim  " "FILCNT" "FILLM" "+"r $ call DO_LINE "Page file " - K        "PAGFILCNT" "PGFLQUOTA"        "+" "Sub-proc's" "PRCCNT" "PRCLM" "-"h $ call DO_LINE -J        "Enqueue   " "ENQCNT" "ENQLM"  "+" "AST limit" "ASTCNT" "ASTLM" "+"8 $ call DO_LINE "WS Current" "WSSIZE" "WSAUTHEXT" "-" "x" $ set message /fac/id/text/sev $ ws margin_line
 $ ws bar_line  $ ws cursor_dwell  $ wait 00:00:02.00 $ goto START_NEW_DISPLAY $!, $! the place for the cleanup of the terminal	 $THE_END:a $ set message /fac/id/text/sev $ set term/inq $ ws cursor_dwell  $       EXIT $!L $!--------------------------------------------------------------------------< $! SUBROUTINE to catch a quota and put into character stringL $!-------------------------------------------------------------------------- $! $GET_1_QUOTA: SUBROUTINE $ on error then exit 2 $ on warning then exit 2 $ on control_y then exit 2# $ spaces =    "                   " % $ if p1 .EQS. "x" then goto its_blank # $ remain =    f$getjpi(pid,"''p2'")2# $ quota  =    f$getjpi(pid,"''p3'") . $ if p4 .EQS. "-" then remain = quota - remain6 $ if quota  .NE. 0 then percent = (remain * 100)/quotaI $ remain  = f$extract(0,8-F$length("''remain'") ,"''spaces'")+"''remain'",H $ quota   = f$extract(0,8-F$length("''quota'")  ,"''spaces'")+"''quota'"J $ percent = f$extract(0,5-F$length("''percent'"),"''spaces'")+"''percent'"H $ message = "''p1'" + f$extract(0,10-F$length("''p1'")     ,"''spaces'") $ alarm = lights_off2 $ if percent .LT. threshold then alarm = highlight) $ if quota .EQ. 0 then alarm = lights_off.( $ if quota .EQ. 0 then percent = "  ---" $ return_string == -B   "''alarm'''message'''remain'''quota'''percent'%''lights_off'   " $       EXIT $! $ITS_BLANK: ! $ return_string == f$fao("!37* ")  $       EXIT $ ENDSUBROUTINE  $! $! nJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------4 $!      SUBROUTINE to format two strings into a line $! ,J -------------------------------------------------------------------------- $! $DO_LINE: SUBROUTINE $ on error then exit 2 $ on warning then exit 2 $ on control_y then exit 22 $ call GET_1_QUOTA "''p1'" "''p2'" "''p3'" "''p4'" $ text_line = return_stringc2 $ call GET_1_QUOTA "''p5'" "''p6'" "''p7'" "''p8'"; $ text_line = "''margin'''text_line'''gap'''return_string'"y $ ws text_line $       EXIT $ ENDSUBROUTINE'   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 03:49:26 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>t! Subject: Re: Process Quota Tuning 2 Message-ID: <BAC0CF55.730A%JCam90502@jcameron.com>   On 4/14/03 8:31 PM, in articleL BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF01AACB8E@exchsvr.fsc.com.fj, "A Bonaveidogo" <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote:t   > ***********************yM > Your mail has been scanned by Trend InterScan Message Scanning Suite. There * > were no viruses detected in this e-mail. > ***********-***********M >  >  > Jeff,p > 7 > Can you send me a copy of your command procedure plizi >  > thanks >  > -----Original Message-----: > From: Jefferson Humber [mailto:matrix01@globalnet.co.uk]( > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:02 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Process Quota Tuninge >  > M > Does anybody have any good DCL scripts for monitoring quota usage levels of  > running processes. > N > I have one DCL command procedure in which you pass the PID of the process toM > be monitored.  It monitors a few quota levels retrievable through F$GETJPI,nE > and records the highest noted usage of each quota since the commandb > procedure has been running.- > J > From using this little tool we have found that some of our processes areH > running at 100% utilisation of their FILLM quota levels, so we will beJ > tuning the detached process initialisation command files to increase theE > value.... currently taking the default PQL_DFILLM value, since none  > specified. > G > I was wondering whether anybody else had any other tools for checkingeL > whether your bespoke processes are running happy with the designated quota	 > levels.i > F > Or does anybody have any techniques for configuring quota levels for
 > processes ?m >  > Many Thanks, >  > Jeff >  >  >    You can download it from :  6 http://support.mti.com/softwarecd/support_files/cq.txt   And rename it cq.com   Jeff Cameron   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:18:49 -0700e% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>rA Subject: Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)h( Message-ID: <3E9B17A9.3000903@rdrop.com>   brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:H >>The old Digital convention holds that names (of certain files, logicalE >>names, symbols to be used in images, etc) supplied by Digital would,E >>contain a dollar sign.  Customers were expected never to use dollareA >>signs in names they created themselves.  This would ensure thatFC >>no conflicts would arise by digital introducing new names that a  K >>customer was already using.  Customers were encouraged to use underscores 
 >>instead. >  >  > Oh-oh.  I What he said. Does that mean if we have a naming conflict, my users will hB be DEVELOPER$HOSED (Er, DEVELOPER_HOSED)? As compared to a system 2 hardware failure, in which case they're SYS$HOSED.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:34:36 -0400f$ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>A Subject: RE: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)mJ Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492B0EE@lespaul.process.com>   > -----Original Message-----. > From: Dean Woodward [mailto:deanw@rdrop.com]& > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 4:19 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com C > Subject: Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)f >  >  > brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:< > >>The old Digital convention holds that names (of certain  > files, logicalG > >>names, symbols to be used in images, etc) supplied by Digital would6G > >>contain a dollar sign.  Customers were expected never to use dollar0C > >>signs in names they created themselves.  This would ensure that:E > >>no conflicts would arise by digital introducing new names that a b> > >>customer was already using.  Customers were encouraged to  > use underscoresr > >>instead. > >  > > 
 > > Oh-oh. > @ > What he said. Does that mean if we have a naming conflict, my 
 > users will 1D > be DEVELOPER$HOSED (Er, DEVELOPER_HOSED)? As compared to a system 4 > hardware failure, in which case they're SYS$HOSED. >   = I've been watching various sites throwing dollar signs around < with wild abandon for almost 20 years now (which still makes? me "the new guy" in these circles), and I have never personallylE seen a conflict.  Others may have some horror stories, but I probably I would not worry too much, although I'd stop doing it for new development. E You'd have to stumble on the same naming prefix that VMS or a layeredhF product introduced.  I've always put a stop to it (or tried, at least)H at sites where I've become involved, but it's always been a preventative measure.   -Mike Duffye   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:41:19 -0400e From: norm.raphael@metso.comA Subject: Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :) ? Message-ID: <OF096E8178.92EDC00A-ON85256D08.00719AB6@metso.com>e   No a HOSE is now H/W.o  = From:  Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> on 04/14/2003 04:18 PMw  1 Please respond to Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>    To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:   D Subject:    Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)     brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:H >>The old Digital convention holds that names (of certain files, logicalE >>names, symbols to be used in images, etc) supplied by Digital would E >>contain a dollar sign.  Customers were expected never to use dollaruA >>signs in names they created themselves.  This would ensure thathB >>no conflicts would arise by digital introducing new names that aK >>customer was already using.  Customers were encouraged to use underscoresa
 >>instead. >v >  > Oh-oh.  H What he said. Does that mean if we have a naming conflict, my users willA be DEVELOPER$HOSED (Er, DEVELOPER_HOSED)? As compared to a systeme2 hardware failure, in which case they're SYS$HOSED.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 16:00:13 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)dA Subject: Re: Really stupid question, please feel free to flame :)e3 Message-ID: <kGRb3kMVW9gD@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  P In article <3E9B17A9.3000903@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes: > K > What he said. Does that mean if we have a naming conflict, my users will  D > be DEVELOPER$HOSED (Er, DEVELOPER_HOSED)? As compared to a system 4 > hardware failure, in which case they're SYS$HOSED.      I've seen 2 conflicts:  i  M    A name using $ which conflicted with a new name from DEC after an upgrade g.    was applied, we had to fix the application.  A    A device name in a device driver (where DEC wasn't using $ andyD    neither did we).  We had to modify the driver and the application.    that was using it to use a new device name.  E    A couple years later someone at a National DECUS Symposium told us-F    that there was an undocumented standard that device names starting *    with Q and Z are reserved to customers.  E    I can't imagine the confusion caused if I had to retrofit a couplebF    dozen device drivers to squeeze the names into Q and Z, but by thatG    time I had moved on to another project, where I did only two devicesr'    and started both their names with Q.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:31:25 GMT ) From: bob smith <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net>CY Subject: Re: SIMH 2.10-4 released: major bug fixes to PDP-8, PDP-11, VAX, PDP-15, Interdae/ Message-ID: <3E9B52FC.2020109@bellatlantic.net>h  B If I try to run RSX20F under the pdp11 simulator, it segfaults. NoB debugging at the moment because I'm busy, just passing this along.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:04:08 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: So much for Opteron 32bit compatibility ...2 Message-ID: <fk6dnVrZlYjVvwajXTWcog@metrocast.net>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>p9 wrote in message news:3E9AB095.7050809@nospamn.sun.com...    ...a  D > 1.  Sun's SPECfp and SPECint performance improvements are entirelyD >      legitimate. The optimisations have been extensively discussedA >      and they are not SPEC specific and are usefull outside the D >      narrow boundaries of the SPECint and SPECfp benchmarkd. FredsG >      allegation that they are a new way of "breaking" SPEC benchmarkseA >      is an old one that has been totally trashed on a number oftE >      occasions. It is hugely regretable that he seems to think thats? >      if he repeats the slur often enough it will be beleived.   K Well, you're on kind of thin ground there, I'm afraid.  When discussing the E relative performance of *hardware* (as is the case when talking about D processors rather than, say, systems) variances introduced purely byL *software* tweaks can legitimately be criticized - especially if they're notH particularly applicable to most of the software people are interested in running.  K SPECint/fp are system benchmarks rather than processor benchmarks, but when G being used to characterized the relative performance of processors suchnE observations are legitimate - and the fact that SPEC tends to move tofH obviate such anomalies each time it updates its suite suggests that theyB would like their benchmarks to be as software-neutral as possible.  K Of course, these observations also apply, in spades, to Itanic's SPECint/fppG performance:  if typical use will not be by applications that have beentJ heavily feedback-optimized, then allowing this (especially in base scores)L seems ridiculous.  Unfortunately, that battle appears to have been lost some5 time ago, unless they decide to reconsider the issue.u   >vA > 2.  Sun outperforms the PA8700+ on SPECrate_int and SPECrate_fpe= >      it also outperforms the P690 on SPECrate_fp by a handylD >      margin while only being slightly slower than the P690 on int.D >      Sun also outperforms the best that you can get from large SMP( >      Itanium boxes on both int and fp.  H Er, that would be incorrect - grossly so, in fact.  The figures you listL below for SGI are for R14K systems, not Itanic2 systems.  SGI's Itanic2 peak= (and base) SPECfp_rate performance scores are 227/443/862 forxL 16/32/64-processor systems, and while they don't list SPECint_rate scores itK is not unreasonable to suspect that they would significantly exceed SPARC'sg as well.   >nE >                       Sun F12/15 HP Dome IBM P690 SGI  GS1280 IA-64 B > 16 CPU SPECrate_int  119        N/A     131      91.6 162    117B > 32 CPU SPECrate_int  232        N/A     249      183  N/A    N/AB > 64 CPU SPECrate_int  436        413     N/A      362  N/A    N/AB > Max SPECrate_int     478        413     249     1402  162    N/A > B > 16 CPU SPECrate_fp   174        N/A     145      83.2 274    159B > 32 CPU SPECrate_fp   338        N/A     260     166   N/A    303B > 64 CPU SPECrate_fp   645        288     N/A     327   N/A    N/AB > Max SPECrate_fp      717        288     260    1215   274    303 > @ > Couple of things to note. Itanium systems scalability even for; > something relatively simple like SPECrate_fp is terrible.u  J Not on SGI's platforms:  it's at least comparable in linearity to SPARC's.   >E; > The NEC 32 way system does 303 SPECrate_fp while a singles< > 1 GHZ Itanium 2 does 16.6 so the NEC is getting 57% of the > peak.l  G Since there is no single-processor SPECfp_rate score listed for the NEC L platform, no such comparison is possible:  NEC's supporting chipset could beJ a real slug at single-processor operation as well.  It does scale close to- linearly from 16 to 32 processors, after all.s  3  Incedentally even the 4 way HP Itanium boxes start49 > tanking early. A 4 way box does 49 SPECrate_fp only 74%-
 > of peak. >1B > The Dome is the worst performer of all on SPECrate_fp suggesting@ > that its backplane is the issue, SPECfp has a larger footprint? > than int showing up bandwidth and latency issues earlier than  > int does.l >u> > The GS1280 does well on a per CPU basis but you can only get< > 16 way machines, when the larger systems come out both IBM? > and Sun will have faster modules available for their servers.i  J But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to equal the performance ofL the larger GS boxes if I were you.  While they aren't yet at spec.web, AlphaK documents indicate that the 32-processor GS1280 results continue the linear-? scaling of the smaller configurations, including the absolutely I unprecedented STREAMS benchmark results (right up to 64 processors IIRC).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:57:45 -0500D1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>:' Subject: Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMS ' Message-ID: <3E9B6719.CDF765BB@fsi.net>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > Scott Vieth wrote: > >h > I > > Well, take the subject of the original post very literally. AttachingoL > > the library to the SAN is one thing. Getting VMS to recognize and accessL > > the drives is of much broader scope, and that is the specific area whereF > > I need the expertise of someone who has already been where I'm now
 > > trekking.t > >pF > > By appearances, I am blazing a VMS trail here as few, if any, haveJ > > already done what I'm trying to do, including the vendors selling thisK > > stuff. They know it's possible, but when it comes to "how", they're all2  > > left scratching their heads. > >e >  > Humm.l > C > I think you are asking the wrong people, you should be telling HPA > and STK what you want.   I did. They choked on it.h  F The problem is that I'm forced to deal with something that was dreamedF up by people who, by their own admission, are not midframe people, and5 don't grok much beyond WhineBloze, Linux and FreeBSD.   B So, I'm left to ask such questions here in this group, for lack of another resource.t   -- j David J. Dachteray dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:48:00 -0400a0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com># Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 or is it?c$ Message-ID: <3e9b2c8f$1@news.si.com>  = >Why does my VAX 4000/100 have a label on the back that says:V >MicroVAX 3100 M92  ? We have two VAX 4000/100s, each of which is in a VAX 3100 case.i -- rI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comH5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.o@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:51:47 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>c: Subject: Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status reportG Message-ID: <7YGma.25968$BQi.7241@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>d  B "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in7 message news:20030413212027.9555.qmail@gacracker.org...a; > On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:.C > >"Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:r >e< > >> Drop me a line John, I might have some more ammunition. >:+ > >What's a good address to contact you at?> >i > Hidden in my headers...> > B > Author-Supplied-Address: doc_cypher <AT> redneck <DOT> gacracker	 <DOT> orgn   Have sent you a message.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:23:34 -0400e0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> Subject: Re: vmsnet.* groups$ Message-ID: <3e9b26d5$1@news.si.com>  I >Anyway, one of them seems to think that any NG is fair game for whatever F >porpose anyone wants to use it for. I need to find the charter of theJ >vmsnet.* groups to show him (them) the error of their ways. Any pointers?  L What makes you think they'll care, even if you find it?  You'd be better offL creating a new newsgroup for them to use.  Even there, the trick would be to get them to use it.a -- nI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comc5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.i@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991e8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2003 18:09:28 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i Subject: Re: vmsnet.* groups3 Message-ID: <DNe6gNJ39FRQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  W In article <3e9b26d5$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> writes: J >>Anyway, one of them seems to think that any NG is fair game for whateverG >>porpose anyone wants to use it for. I need to find the charter of the5K >>vmsnet.* groups to show him (them) the error of their ways. Any pointers?e > 9 > What makes you think they'll care, even if you find it?-  D The Field Test/SDK group seems to be rather clear of trash since the last big set of complaints.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:23:28 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>a" Subject: Re: What is a VMS Cluster2 Message-ID: <3E9B5ED6.D0BE498C@firstdbasource.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > "John N." wrote: > >nP > > Of course, I know what a VMS Cluster is.  I have been working with VMS sinceO > > 1981 and with Clusters since 1986.  I guess my problem is that I understandtN > > them so well that it is difficult for me to explain to PHMs what they are,A > > and what their advantage are over other "so-called" clusters.V > > O > > Can you guys help me come up with a simple definition of what a VMS Cluster 0 > > is, and why it is better than the imposters? >  > *** CAN OF WORMS WARNING *** > I > Probably the easiest way to start is draw a SAN (if the PHMs grok SAN),uI > then explain how all (2 or more) nodes of a cluster can access the same?8 > storage / files / etc. with the assistance of the DLM.    F I have actually used this analogy that the SAN in *SOME* respects is aH smart Star-coupler (and when SCS-over-Fibre shows up, it will be exactly? that.  A very smart Star Coupler) All systems mount all devicessE concurrently unlike Sun/MS where a disk can only be mounted/usable on2H one system 100% of the time.  Sun/Unix (excluding Tru64 V5.1+) uses NFS,G but the problem of connecting to a NFS-mounted "cluster resource" failseB completely when the real system crashes.  This disk resource is no longer available.a   <snip>   -- S Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:31:09 +0200c( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>% Subject: Re: XDM problems (TCPIP 5.3)s4 Message-ID: <b7f2a1$aii6$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   JF  ? what happens if you modify XACCESS.TXT to its default contents?n) I.e. just the * line that has the commentl  #any host can get a login window   Hans? "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> schreef in bericht ) news:3E9A4620.61D1D3EE@vl.videotron.ca...,L > OK, I have a MAC wunning MI/X . I have been trying to get the XDM to work, buta > to no avail. >s9 > VAX VMS 7.2, TCPIP 5.3 eco 2 (from $TCPIP SHOW VERSION)i >u) > In the XACCESS.TXT I have lines such as  >a > 10.0.0.12 bike.chocolate.com& > mac.chocolate.com bike.chocolate.com > *s >a" > (mac.chocolate.com is 10.0.0.12)* > (and I have tried various permutations). >hL > If I set the MAC MI/X to "QUERY" mode, it fails immediatly (log below). If ItL > set it to broadcast, it eventually fails on a number of retransmits (after apK > few minutes) but nothing appears on the TCPIP$XDM_RUN.LOG for broadcasts.i >m? > Here is the log from a single query (with TCPIP$XDM_DEBUG ando3 > TCPIP$XDM_DEBUF_W set to 1) (questions below log)  >n) > $ RUN /NODEBUG SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$XDM.EXEt+ > [22000085 1050296944] creating socket 177i0 > [22000085 1050296945] Created chooser socket 4( > [22000085 1050296947] WaitForSomethingC > [22000085 1050296965] select returns 1.  Rescan: 0  ChildReady: 0o, > [22000085 1050296965] ProcessRequestSocket% > [22000085 1050296965] header: 1 2 1e' > [22000085 1050296965] TCPIP_VMS_QUERYt' > [22000085 1050296965] Query respond 1s< > [22000085 1050296965] ConvertAddr returning 0 for family 2D > [22000085 1050296965] all_query_respond: conntype=0, addr=a, len=47 > [22000085 1050296965] Send willing  Willing to manageg( > [22000085 1050296965] WaitForSomethingC > [22000085 1050296966] select returns 1.  Rescan: 0  ChildReady: 0e, > [22000085 1050296966] ProcessRequestSocket& > [22000085 1050296966] header: 1 7 34 > [22000085 1050296966] REQUESTf* > [22000085 1050296966] Request respond 340 > [22000085 1050296966] Decline No valid address( > [22000085 1050296966] WaitForSomething >l > D > Can anyone tell me what the "header 1 2 1" and "header 1 7 34" and "Request > respond 34" mean ? >i( > On the MAC, I get the following error: >c? > Warning: XDMCP fatal error: Session declined No valid addressG >0I > Has anyone got a clue to set me in the right direction ?  (I was hopingi that< > the 182-4 patchers would fix this, alas, it didn't change. >aI > Note that if I add the mac to the XSERVER.TXT, it does pop up the logineI > dialogue when XDM starts, but that basically bypasses the XDM protocol.o I'd.J > like to set it up to work whenevr the Xserver on my lan starts so it can get a  > login screen.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:00:59 -0400a, From: David Michaels <michaedi@email.uc.edu>% Subject: Re: XDM problems (TCPIP 5.3) , Message-ID: <3E9B137B.3BEBF40A@email.uc.edu>   JF Mezei wrote:b > P > OK, I have a MAC wunning MI/X . I have been trying to get the XDM to work, but > to no avail. > 9 > VAX VMS 7.2, TCPIP 5.3 eco 2 (from $TCPIP SHOW VERSION)n > ) > In the XACCESS.TXT I have lines such asg >  > 10.0.0.12 bike.chocolate.com& > mac.chocolate.com bike.chocolate.com > *l > " > (mac.chocolate.com is 10.0.0.12)* > (and I have tried various permutations). > N > If I set the MAC MI/X to "QUERY" mode, it fails immediatly (log below). If IN > set it to broadcast, it eventually fails on a number of retransmits (after aK > few minutes) but nothing appears on the TCPIP$XDM_RUN.LOG for broadcasts.h > ? > Here is the log from a single query (with TCPIP$XDM_DEBUG ands3 > TCPIP$XDM_DEBUF_W set to 1) (questions below log)  > ) > $ RUN /NODEBUG SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$XDM.EXE + > [22000085 1050296944] creating socket 177t0 > [22000085 1050296945] Created chooser socket 4( > [22000085 1050296947] WaitForSomethingC > [22000085 1050296965] select returns 1.  Rescan: 0  ChildReady: 0 , > [22000085 1050296965] ProcessRequestSocket% > [22000085 1050296965] header: 1 2 1o' > [22000085 1050296965] TCPIP_VMS_QUERYu' > [22000085 1050296965] Query respond 1i< > [22000085 1050296965] ConvertAddr returning 0 for family 2D > [22000085 1050296965] all_query_respond: conntype=0, addr=a, len=47 > [22000085 1050296965] Send willing  Willing to managet( > [22000085 1050296965] WaitForSomethingC > [22000085 1050296966] select returns 1.  Rescan: 0  ChildReady: 0 , > [22000085 1050296966] ProcessRequestSocket& > [22000085 1050296966] header: 1 7 34 > [22000085 1050296966] REQUEST * > [22000085 1050296966] Request respond 340 > [22000085 1050296966] Decline No valid address( > [22000085 1050296966] WaitForSomething > M > Can anyone tell me what the "header 1 2 1" and "header 1 7 34" and "Requestp > respond 34" mean ? > ( > On the MAC, I get the following error: > ? > Warning: XDMCP fatal error: Session declined No valid address  > N > Has anyone got a clue to set me in the right direction ?  (I was hoping that< > the 182-4 patchers would fix this, alas, it didn't change. > I > Note that if I add the mac to the XSERVER.TXT, it does pop up the login M > dialogue when XDM starts, but that basically bypasses the XDM protocol. I'daP > like to set it up to work whenevr the Xserver on my lan starts so it can get a > login screen.a    8 I think it looks like this could be a MIT-COOKIE problem     Just My Opinion    david.michaels@uc.edub   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:29:27 -0400a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: XDM problems (TCPIP 5.3)e/ Message-ID: <3E9B1A14.6D4402F2@vl.videotron.ca>    Richard Brodie wrote: P > If you want to hack this further, a copy of xdmcp.ps from an X11 distribution,   I found it at:@ http://fresh.t-systems-sfr.com/linux/XFree86/4.3.0/doc/xdmcp.TXT   (and it is in text).  K Will do some tests tonight. Thanks for the pointer.  I have read that it iseK legal to declare oneself willing but later decline (which is what my vax ise doing to my mac).i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:28:25 -0400c0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: XDM problems (TCPIP 5.3)a/ Message-ID: <3E9B43F9.D195CD5B@vl.videotron.ca>r   H Vlems wrote:A > what happens if you modify XACCESS.TXT to its default contents? + > I.e. just the * line that has the commentn" > #any host can get a login window   Same thing.  Still fails.D   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:54:40 -0400r0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com># Subject: Re: Your opinion requestedh" Message-ID: <3e9b03f0@news.si.com>  3 >But if Compaq were willing to provide a reader forgE >whatever format they decided to use that had all the features of the E >BookReader, what difference would the underlying format of the bookst >make?  L I could go along with this, provided VAXes were also supported, since that's what I have. -- LI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot coml5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.o@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991t8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.207 ************************