1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 19 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 215       Contents:> AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into clusterB RE: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into cluster
 BA356 woes Re: BA356 woes Re: BA356 woes Re: BA356 woes Re: BA356 woes Re: CHARON-VAX Pricing' DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments + Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments + Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments + Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments + Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments + Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments & Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX  DHCP problems with Compaq TCP/IP$ Re: DHCP problems with Compaq TCP/IP FLASH Engine on Alpha/VMS/WASD" Re: FLASH Engine on Alpha/VMS/WASD" Re: FLASH Engine on Alpha/VMS/WASD" Re: FLASH Engine on Alpha/VMS/WASD fortran TYPE * vs C printf Re: fortran TYPE * vs C printf9 Re: HP: IT resource center forums: Why is VMS not listed. 9 Re: HP: IT resource center forums: Why is VMS not listed. 5 Re: IT resource center forums: Why is VMS not listed. 8 Re: No evasive action on Network incoming FTP task, why?8 Re: No evasive action on Network incoming FTP task, why?8 Re: No evasive action on Network incoming FTP task, why?8 Re: No evasive action on Network incoming FTP task, why?" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP" Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP Re: Strange SYS$ENQ problem  Re: Strange SYS$ENQ problem  Re: Strange SYS$ENQ problem  Re: Strange SYS$ENQ problem  Unix,VMS,Wintel connectivity  Re: VAX C++ 5.6 install question  Re: VAX C++ 5.6 install question  Re: VAX C++ 5.6 install question Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences  Re: X-windows server logging  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:06:42 GMT   From: trothf <trothf@boeing.com>G Subject: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into cluster * Message-ID: <3EA03EB2.AE1FA876@boeing.com>  G We installed a 10/100 DE500 card so we could run 100Mbit (the quickspec > says the onboard card can only run 10Mbit).  You have to tweekG bootdef_dev  and it starts to boot into the cluster again, but it hangs F after the network device select.  I do get 2 boot load hit messages onF the server, but it's not getting beyond that.  I also removed the nodeE from the cluster and readded it with cluster_config in case there was D some residual cluster memory of the old hardware address (yes, I didG change it first just in NCP, but that didn't help either). VMS 6.2-1H3.  Any ideas?  Cluster reboot?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:26:17 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> K Subject: RE: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into cluster 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEGFHAAA.tom@kednos.com>   : I think you also need to set a console  variable like ewa0 to auto-negotiate    >-----Original Message----- H >From: Boeing NNTP News Access [mailto:nntp@news.boeing.com]On Behalf Of >trothf & >Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:07 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComH >Subject: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into cluster >  > H >We installed a 10/100 DE500 card so we could run 100Mbit (the quickspec? >says the onboard card can only run 10Mbit).  You have to tweek H >bootdef_dev  and it starts to boot into the cluster again, but it hangsG >after the network device select.  I do get 2 boot load hit messages on G >the server, but it's not getting beyond that.  I also removed the node F >from the cluster and readded it with cluster_config in case there wasE >some residual cluster memory of the old hardware address (yes, I did H >change it first just in NCP, but that didn't help either). VMS 6.2-1H3. >Any ideas?  Cluster reboot? >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 4/10/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 4/10/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:04:00 +0100 ; From: "Chris Townley" <news_ac@townleyc.NOSPAM.demon.co.uk>  Subject: BA356 woes 4 Message-ID: <b7peh3$cr2$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  ? DEC PSW 433-AU running VMS 7.3 with QLA1020a SCSI wide onboard.   L Got a wide system disc, and a narrow 4Gb data drive. Connected up a BA356-JCK (beige) with a 16 bit personality module with a few drives - I have quite a  few 4 and 9 Gb drives.  G Although I could see and access the drives, started showing quite a few K errors, especially when I tried a disc to disc copy from the wide drive. No & errors copying from the narrow device.  I I read somewhere on a tru64 site that the beige shelf wiring is not up to & this configuration - is thbis the case  L What are the options here? I presume I coudl try to get a blue shelf (anyoneF know where in the UK), or add a second 8 bit SCSI card (what can I use5 here?) and connect the shelf up with an 8-bit module.   K Does it make any difference that I am connecting devices internally as well  as externally?       --
 Chris Townley ) chris AT townleyc DOT demon DOT co DOT uk    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:30:04 -0500  From: brandon@dalsemi.com  Subject: Re: BA356 woes 1 Message-ID: <03041813300403@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   A > DEC PSW 433-AU running VMS 7.3 with QLA1020a SCSI wide onboard.  > N > Got a wide system disc, and a narrow 4Gb data drive. Connected up a BA356-JCM > (beige) with a 16 bit personality module with a few drives - I have quite a  > few 4 and 9 Gb drives. > I > Although I could see and access the drives, started showing quite a few M > errors, especially when I tried a disc to disc copy from the wide drive. No ( > errors copying from the narrow device. > K > I read somewhere on a tru64 site that the beige shelf wiring is not up to ( > this configuration - is thbis the case > N > What are the options here? I presume I coudl try to get a blue shelf (anyoneH > know where in the UK), or add a second 8 bit SCSI card (what can I use7 > here?) and connect the shelf up with an 8-bit module.  > M > Does it make any difference that I am connecting devices internally as well  > as externally?  O I thought you could run narrow & wide in the wide shelf however you had to have M an 8-bit personality module.  That you could not run wide in a narrow shelf.    That is if I remember correctly.   John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:41:18 -0400 ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net>  Subject: Re: BA356 woes 0 Message-ID: <udrp7b.qnm.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>   Chris Townley wrote:  A > DEC PSW 433-AU running VMS 7.3 with QLA1020a SCSI wide onboard.  > E > Got a wide system disc, and a narrow 4Gb data drive. Connected up a I > BA356-JC (beige) with a 16 bit personality module with a few drives - I % > have quite a few 4 and 9 Gb drives.  > I > Although I could see and access the drives, started showing quite a few J > errors, especially when I tried a disc to disc copy from the wide drive.+ > No errors copying from the narrow device.  > K > I read somewhere on a tru64 site that the beige shelf wiring is not up to ( > this configuration - is thbis the case > F > What are the options here? I presume I coudl try to get a blue shelfL > (anyone know where in the UK), or add a second 8 bit SCSI card (what can I; > use here?) and connect the shelf up with an 8-bit module.  > H > Does it make any difference that I am connecting devices internally as > well as externally?  >   I Generally speaking, you can run narrow and wide drives in a wide shelf.   L Some older narrow drives won't work, but they were generally before the 4GB  drives started coming out.  K The beige shelf wiring is correct for FAST (10Mhz) SCSI, but not for ULTRA  F (20Mhz).  Since you mentioned that you're runing the 1020 controller, G you're running FAST, not ULTRA, so that's not likely to be the problem.   G You might want to mention what type of errors you're seeing -- maybe a   sample of the error log output.     --             Stu    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:24:13 +0100 ; From: "Chris Townley" <news_ac@townleyc.NOSPAM.demon.co.uk>  Subject: Re: BA356 woes 4 Message-ID: <b7q1vq$5v1$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  4 "Stuart Fuller" <stufuller@usa.net> wrote in message* news:udrp7b.qnm.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local... > Chris Townley wrote: > C > > DEC PSW 433-AU running VMS 7.3 with QLA1020a SCSI wide onboard.  > > G > > Got a wide system disc, and a narrow 4Gb data drive. Connected up a K > > BA356-JC (beige) with a 16 bit personality module with a few drives - I ' > > have quite a few 4 and 9 Gb drives.  > > K > > Although I could see and access the drives, started showing quite a few L > > errors, especially when I tried a disc to disc copy from the wide drive.- > > No errors copying from the narrow device.  > > J > > I read somewhere on a tru64 site that the beige shelf wiring is not up to* > > this configuration - is thbis the case > > H > > What are the options here? I presume I coudl try to get a blue shelfL > > (anyone know where in the UK), or add a second 8 bit SCSI card (what can I = > > use here?) and connect the shelf up with an 8-bit module.  > > J > > Does it make any difference that I am connecting devices internally as > > well as externally?  > >  > I > Generally speaking, you can run narrow and wide drives in a wide shelf. I > Some older narrow drives won't work, but they were generally before the  4GB  > drives started coming out. > L > The beige shelf wiring is correct for FAST (10Mhz) SCSI, but not for ULTRAG > (20Mhz).  Since you mentioned that you're runing the 1020 controller, I > you're running FAST, not ULTRA, so that's not likely to be the problem.  > H > You might want to mention what type of errors you're seeing -- maybe a! > sample of the error log output.   K Slightly embarrssed - I havent installed DECEVENT - will have to borrow the E CD from work again (hobbyist machine), before I can report the actual ; errors. So much for a solid system management background...   J Could this be due to connecting internal as well as internal. The PSW docsJ imply this is a no-no. So can I get a 16 bit interface for a second device and conect to this?      --
 Chris Townley ) chris AT townleyc DOT demon DOT co DOT uk    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:16:22 -0400 ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net>  Subject: Re: BA356 woes 0 Message-ID: <ng4q7b.m1q.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>   Chris Townley wrote:  6 > "Stuart Fuller" <stufuller@usa.net> wrote in message, > news:udrp7b.qnm.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local... >> Chris Townley wrote:  >>D >> > DEC PSW 433-AU running VMS 7.3 with QLA1020a SCSI wide onboard. >> >H >> > Got a wide system disc, and a narrow 4Gb data drive. Connected up aL >> > BA356-JC (beige) with a 16 bit personality module with a few drives - I( >> > have quite a few 4 and 9 Gb drives. >> >L >> > Although I could see and access the drives, started showing quite a fewF >> > errors, especially when I tried a disc to disc copy from the wide5 >> > drive. No errors copying from the narrow device.  >> >K >> > I read somewhere on a tru64 site that the beige shelf wiring is not up  > to+ >> > this configuration - is thbis the case  >> >I >> > What are the options here? I presume I coudl try to get a blue shelf I >> > (anyone know where in the UK), or add a second 8 bit SCSI card (what  >> > can > I > >> > use here?) and connect the shelf up with an 8-bit module. >> >K >> > Does it make any difference that I am connecting devices internally as  >> > well as externally? >> > >>J >> Generally speaking, you can run narrow and wide drives in a wide shelf.J >> Some older narrow drives won't work, but they were generally before the > 4GB  >> drives started coming out.  >>G >> The beige shelf wiring is correct for FAST (10Mhz) SCSI, but not for  >> ULTRAH >> (20Mhz).  Since you mentioned that you're runing the 1020 controller,J >> you're running FAST, not ULTRA, so that's not likely to be the problem. >>I >> You might want to mention what type of errors you're seeing -- maybe a " >> sample of the error log output. > I > Slightly embarrssed - I havent installed DECEVENT - will have to borrow K > the CD from work again (hobbyist machine), before I can report the actual = > errors. So much for a solid system management background...  > L > Could this be due to connecting internal as well as internal. The PSW docsL > imply this is a no-no. So can I get a 16 bit interface for a second device > and conect to this?  >   G There have been some systems where connection to both the internal and  F external connectors of the SCSI controller is not supported.  This is F usually due to a SCSI length issue.  At FAST speeds, you're generally D allowed 3 meters of SCSI cable.  So, if you include the 1M of cable K internal to the system box, another 1M of cable internal to the BA356, you  ? run out of cable length to connect the system box to the BA356.   J In addition to the error log entries, you might want to post the types of J disks that you have.  It may not make any difference, but you never know, I and when troubleshooting problems, a little more information never hurts.  --             Stu    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:28:53 -0500 ( From: Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com> Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX Pricing / Message-ID: <va1627te47elac@corp.supernews.com>   / On 4/18/2003 12:32 PM, Stanley F. Quayle wrote: H > There doesn't seem to be an upside in an endless discussion of CHARON-D > VAX pricing.  If you're interested in a proposal for a migration, > > please email me or see http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html. >  > Until later... >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com  >  >   E Well, I know next to nothing about CHARON-VAX, other than it's a VAX  I emulator.  However, you've piqued my interest in this pricing issue.  Is  I the pricelist just a big secret, is the pricing scheme so bizare that it  F can't be published, or is it one of those "tell us how much money you / have and we'll give you a quote" type of deals?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:28:23 -0400 ! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> 0 Subject: DARPA Cancels OS Project After CommentsK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BEA@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   ) DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments      ) By MATTHEW FORDAHL, AP Technology Writer    J SAN JOSE, Calif. - The U.S. military's research agency cut off grant moneyB for helping to develop a secure, free operating system after a top: programmer made anti-war statements to a major newspaper.   K The U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency halted the contract less G than two weeks after The Globe and Mail of Toronto published a story in J which programmer Theo de Raadt was quoted as saying he was "uncomfortable" about the funding source.   I "I try to convince myself that our grant means a half of a cruise missile 1 doesn't get built," de Raadt told the newspaper.    K Within a few days, de Raadt said he received an e-mail from Jonathan Smith, F a computer science professor at the University of Pennsylvania and theD grant's lead researcher, expressing discomfort over the statements.   : On Thursday, Smith notified de Raadt of the cancellation.   J "A tenured professor was telling me not to exercise my freedom of speech," de Raadt said.    K Smith declined to comment on the matter, and DARPA did not return telephone J messages Friday. De Raadt's suspicions about the cancellation could not be confirmed.    F The $2.3 million grant had funded security improvements to the OpenBSD9 operating system since 2001 as well as related projects.    L OpenBSD, a variation of Unix (news - web sites) designed for use on servers,L is touted as so secure that its default installation has had only one bug in the past seven years.   K Thousands of copies of OpenBSD have been downloaded in the past six months. . It's not clear, however, how many are in use.   K De Raadt estimates about 85 percent of the DARPA grant has been spent, with K about $1 million being used to pay for OpenBSD developers. Much of the work 4 has been handled by a team of 80 unpaid volunteers.   E Another $500,000 of the money funded the work of United Kingdom-based I researchers on a related project called OpenSSL, which is used to encrypt  data.   F DARPA, which oversees research activities for the Pentagon (news - webF sites), is best known for developing the network that evolved into the
 Internet.    ========================  William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annex , 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874  > 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:05:24 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments2 Message-ID: <OdadnU7kMa446z2jXTWcow@metrocast.net>  G Indeed - both The Register and The Inquirer had comments on this.  Just L continues Dubya's now well-established policy of sacrificing *real* security to political/ideological goals.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:58:18 -0400 ! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> 4 Subject: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After CommentsK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BEB@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   ( Bill Todd [billtodd@metrocast.net] said: > H >Indeed - both The Register and The Inquirer had comments on this.  JustD >continues Dubya's now well-established policy of sacrificing *real* security  >to political/ideological goals. >  >- bill  > 
 Gee, Bill-  ? When I posted this, I was hoping to start a thread on how this  & could be viewed as a positive for VMS.  2 I should have known better, at least in your case.   ========================  William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annex , 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874  > 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:08:13 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments2 Message-ID: <VHCdnTixGsrzDj2jXTWcow@metrocast.net>  . "VAXVMS" <bounce@notmail.com> wrote in messageE news:BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BEB@rlghncst964.usps.gov...  > * > Bill Todd [billtodd@metrocast.net] said: > > J > >Indeed - both The Register and The Inquirer had comments on this.  JustF > >continues Dubya's now well-established policy of sacrificing *real*
 > security" > >to political/ideological goals. > > 	 > >- bill  > >  > Gee, Bill- > @ > When I posted this, I was hoping to start a thread on how this( > could be viewed as a positive for VMS.  J Kind of difficult to see how DARPA's cutting back on efforts to improve OSD security would be positive for VMS, I'm afraid.  On the one hand, itL provides news exposure for an already fairly secure OS other than VMS (whichL will attract the attention of anyone interested in improving the security ofG their platform), and on the other DARPA's action tends to denigrate the I value of improved security to the wider world that doesn't understand the J importance of decent security (so they'll be less likely to go looking for it).   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:16:11 -0400 ! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> 4 Subject: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After CommentsK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BEC@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   ( Bill Todd [billtodd@metrocast.net] said: >>/ >"VAXVMS" <bounce@notmail.com> wrote in message F >news:BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BEB@rlghncst964.usps.gov... >>+ >> Bill Todd [billtodd@metrocast.net] said:  >> >H >> >Indeed - both The Register and The Inquirer had comments on this.  = JustG >> >continues Dubya's now well-established policy of sacrificing *real*  >> security # >> >to political/ideological goals.  >> >
 >> >- bill >> >
 >> Gee, Bill-  >>A >> When I posted this, I was hoping to start a thread on how this ) >> could be viewed as a positive for VMS.  > B >Kind of difficult to see how DARPA's cutting back on efforts to =
 improve OSE >security would be positive for VMS, I'm afraid.  On the one hand, it F >provides news exposure for an already fairly secure OS other than VMS (whichC >will attract the attention of anyone interested in improving the =  security ofF >their platform), and on the other DARPA's action tends to denigrate = the H >value of improved security to the wider world that doesn't understand = the I >importance of decent security (so they'll be less likely to go looking =  for  >it).  >  >- bill  > C This doesn't say that they're cutting back on efforts to improve OS 	 security, G it says they're not going to continue funding a project to develop an =  *open  source* secure OS.  B I also note that the original article cites "so secure that its=20E default installation has had only one bug in the past seven years"=20  as a proof of security. =20   C This is, at best, a non sequitur, and, at worst, an illustration=20 3 of one journalist's surfeit of technical knowledge.   G And I'd be willing to bet that the guy who expressed such discomfort=20 D at being forced at gunpoint to pocket filthy lucre from that evil=20D military-industrial complex  feels no such qualms about using the=20G Inter (n=E9e DARPA) net, or for that matter, any of the myriad other=20 E technological advances which are derivative of research originally=20 ( funded and/or developed by the military.  I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=     William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annex . 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874 =20> 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 23:19:42 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments2 Message-ID: <2tacnSe-5P_NXT2jXTWcoQ@metrocast.net>  . "VAXVMS" <bounce@notmail.com> wrote in messageE news:BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BEC@rlghncst964.usps.gov...   ( Bill Todd [billtodd@metrocast.net] said: >>/ >"VAXVMS" <bounce@notmail.com> wrote in message F >news:BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BEB@rlghncst964.usps.gov... >>+ >> Bill Todd [billtodd@metrocast.net] said:  >> >K >> >Indeed - both The Register and The Inquirer had comments on this.  Just G >> >continues Dubya's now well-established policy of sacrificing *real*  >> security # >> >to political/ideological goals.  >> >
 >> >- bill >> >
 >> Gee, Bill-  >>A >> When I posted this, I was hoping to start a thread on how this ) >> could be viewed as a positive for VMS.  > K >Kind of difficult to see how DARPA's cutting back on efforts to improve OS E >security would be positive for VMS, I'm afraid.  On the one hand, it F >provides news exposure for an already fairly secure OS other than VMS (whichJ >will attract the attention of anyone interested in improving the security ofH >their platform), and on the other DARPA's action tends to denigrate theJ >value of improved security to the wider world that doesn't understand theK >importance of decent security (so they'll be less likely to go looking for  >it).  >  >- bill  > C This doesn't say that they're cutting back on efforts to improve OS 	 security, K it says they're not going to continue funding a project to develop an *open  source* secure OS.   *** J Which a good many military systems happen to run (because it is reasonably@ secure - doh):  that's one of the reasons they chose it to fund. ***   ? I also note that the original article cites "so secure that its B default installation has had only one bug in the past seven years" as a proof of security.   @ This is, at best, a non sequitur, and, at worst, an illustration3 of one journalist's surfeit of technical knowledge.    *** G However, it does happen to reflect *informed* opinion that OpenBSD *is* * about the most secure Unix variant around. ***   D And I'd be willing to bet that the guy who expressed such discomfortA at being forced at gunpoint to pocket filthy lucre from that evil A military-industrial complex  feels no such qualms about using the B Inter (ne DARPA) net, or for that matter, any of the myriad otherB technological advances which are derivative of research originally( funded and/or developed by the military.   *** F If you had a clue about his beliefs, you'd know that he doesn't have aC problem with DARPA itself (which going back to ARPA days has a fine I tradition of funding research across the board and dealing with civilians L with an extremely broad range of political beliefs) but with the rest of theC military (it was the Air Force that made this particular decision).    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2003 11:36:15 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: Day Light Savings for VMS and UNIX = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0304181036.6b64712f@posting.google.com>   Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3E9D183A.273C5EBA@127.0.0.1>...  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > L > > The full hour adjustment doesn't really make sense, but it may have been   Why?  A > > the best political compromise ol' Ben could manage, given his J > > contemporaries. A thirty-minute shift, once, permanently may make more5 > > sense, but I've not analyzed it in global detail.   D > Isn't it because there's a "skew", and when you revert back to non  
 Skew of what?   G > daylight savings, you actually gain more light at the end of the day,   C I don't see how this can be. When you set the clocks back one hour, E you wind up getting up one hour later to go to work, and get home one @ hour later, and should therefore get one less hour of after-work	 daylight.   J > certainly at latitude 53.5N I recall "when the clocks went back" you got+ > a little longer daylight in the evenings.  > I > In North Scotland, some locals are less happy with the current state of  > controversial clock shifting.    I have mixed feelings about it.    J > I suppose today with current technology capability, we could have clocksH > which can track the tropical movement, and "midday" 12:00 could always   What is "tropical movement"?  J > be when the sun is at its highest for you in your locality. However they   Why would you want this?  ; > would skew at different rates dependent on your location.  >  > Just musing.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:07:53 GMT $ From: Steve Young <sdyoung@well.com>) Subject: DHCP problems with Compaq TCP/IP C Message-ID: <slrnba1brg.20b7.steve@h68-144-58-171.cg.shawcable.net>      Hello all,  C   I'm using Compaq TCP/IP (5.1 - ECO 4) on VMS 7.3 with my primary  " interface configured through DHCP.  A   My problem is this: When I boot the machine, it starts the DHCP I client, but it never gets an address.  However, if I go into TCPIP$CONFIG H after boot and manually set noint se0, followed by set int se0/pri/dhcp,I it works, but even then sometimes it will forget it's IP address after a  < random (but usually on the order of a few weeks) interval.    E   Does what I've described match the profile of any common problems?  G Any ideas? If possible please cc: sdyoung@well.com in your response, my D news connection is a bit dodgy, but I do check the group as often as	 possible.   	   Thanks,    Steve.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 04:08:20 GMT = From: Michael Austin <maustin@n-o-s-p-a-m-firstdbasource.com> - Subject: Re: DHCP problems with Compaq TCP/IP > Message-ID: <3EA0BE1F.B6117897@n-o-s-p-a-m-firstdbasource.com>   Steve Young wrote: >  >   Hello all, > D >   I'm using Compaq TCP/IP (5.1 - ECO 4) on VMS 7.3 with my primary$ > interface configured through DHCP. > C >   My problem is this: When I boot the machine, it starts the DHCP K > client, but it never gets an address.  However, if I go into TCPIP$CONFIG J > after boot and manually set noint se0, followed by set int se0/pri/dhcp,J > it works, but even then sometimes it will forget it's IP address after a< > random (but usually on the order of a few weeks) interval. > F >   Does what I've described match the profile of any common problems?I > Any ideas? If possible please cc: sdyoung@well.com in your response, my F > news connection is a bit dodgy, but I do check the group as often as > possible.  >  >   Thanks, 
 >   Steve.  E I perefer to hardcode the IP address on my VMS boxes.. if you need to  put your system on broadband  D goto http://www.firstdbasource.com/vms-on-bb.html and see if it will/ help...   This will make your life much easier.  --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163 7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:17:48 +0200 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> ' Subject: FLASH Engine on Alpha/VMS/WASD 4 Message-ID: <3ea04f55$0$26352$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  Q What should be done on my Alpha box (VMS 7.3/WASD WEB Server) to have flash anim  0 displayed onto my visitor's WEB clients screens?  M I successfully installed the plug-in for MOZ to actually see flash anim from  O other sites, but my server does not display *my* anim to visitors. Is it a VMS   issue? A WASD one?  G See http://toulouse.dyndns.org/sector7/ as an example and compare with  @ www.sector7.com (don't tell me that one is in French, I know :-)   set flame onJ Disclaimer: NO, this is NOT a hidden ad, thank you for your understanding.
 set flame off    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:11:05 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")+ Subject: Re: FLASH Engine on Alpha/VMS/WASD 6 Message-ID: <00A1E934.6E7A4C7E@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  h In article <3ea04f55$0$26352$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:  R >What should be done on my Alpha box (VMS 7.3/WASD WEB Server) to have flash anim 1 >displayed onto my visitor's WEB clients screens?  > N >I successfully installed the plug-in for MOZ to actually see flash anim from P >other sites, but my server does not display *my* anim to visitors. Is it a VMS  >issue? A WASD one?   K Does Netscape display the flash and IE not, or vice-versa, or do both fail? K I'm guessing that this is a .SWF file, and I'll further guess that (if the  K plug-in is configured) Netscape/Mozilla (which honor mime types) will fail,  and that IE will work.  I If this is correct, you need to tell WASD what mime-type to send with the N Shockwave file.  (It isn't configured out of the box in 7.2 - don't know aboutM 8.x).  Find the [AddType] directive in your HTTPD$CONFIG.CONF where mimetypes  are defined, and add  4 .SWF  application/x-shockwave-flash Flash animations  * and tell WASD to reload the configuration.   -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:54:57 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: FLASH Engine on Alpha/VMS/WASD / Message-ID: <3EA0AC53.C6662430@vl.videotron.ca>    PRSTSC::DTL wrote:N > I successfully installed the plug-in for MOZ to actually see flash anim fromP > other sites, but my server does not display *my* anim to visitors. Is it a VMS > issue? A WASD one? > H > See http://toulouse.dyndns.org/sector7/ as an example and compare withB > www.sector7.com (don't tell me that one is in French, I know :-) >    Are you talking about :A=  http://toulouse.dyndns.org/sector7/images/ble%20banner.swf ?g  : Your server says this resaource doesn't exist (error 404).  ? Also, if it does exist, make sure that .swf files are mapped toe6 application/x-shockwave-flash and sent as binary data.  M Also, tell your folks at sector 7 that their main web site doesn't serve .swfeM propely. It is served as the "application/octet-stream" which means "nothing"  to internet standard software.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:57:00 -0400e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: FLASH Engine on Alpha/VMS/WASDf/ Message-ID: <3EA0ACCF.9500EC57@vl.videotron.ca>u  H Oh one more thing. Since the "ble banner.swf" contains a space characterJ (encoded at %20 in url), how was the file actually stored on your WASD vmsN server ?  Did you replace the space with underline ? If so, you need to update< the HTMO to point to the actual resource on your web server.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2003 12:59:33 -0700, From: john babiarz <john_member@newsguy.com># Subject: fortran TYPE * vs C printfU( Message-ID: <b7plf50tiv@drn.newsguy.com>  < I have on a vms/alpha 7.2-1, fortran f77 V7.2-180 C V6.2-008B a program that is written in Fortran that create a process from a F detached process the sys$creprc defines sys$output to be cred_in_1.log  F whenever there is a fortran TYPE *,  statement, that is printed in theN log. When the "C" routine is called, it creates a new version of cred_in_1.log; and prints all the "C" printf statments to cred_in_1.log;2 f  H Is there a way to prevent the "C" routine from creating its' own versionK of the file, and using the same file that was orginally created? What would 5 I have to do to the "C" program to use the same file?   K I would like to only have one sys$output file to handle all TYPE and printf8 statements.>   john babiarz   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:45:07 -0400a+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>e' Subject: Re: fortran TYPE * vs C printft8 Message-ID: <qqo0avkq9gf1pumo5t51bqdkl23eeo4p6m@4ax.com>  E On 18 Apr 2003 12:59:33 -0700, john babiarz <john_member@newsguy.com>t wrote:  = >I have on a vms/alpha 7.2-1, fortran f77 V7.2-180 C V6.2-008dC >a program that is written in Fortran that create a process from a eG >detached process the sys$creprc defines sys$output to be cred_in_1.log, >tG >whenever there is a fortran TYPE *,  statement, that is printed in the O >log. When the "C" routine is called, it creates a new version of cred_in_1.logT< >and prints all the "C" printf statments to cred_in_1.log;2  > I >Is there a way to prevent the "C" routine from creating its' own versionGL >of the file, and using the same file that was orginally created? What would6 >I have to do to the "C" program to use the same file?  F You need to create a process-permanent file, and I don't think you canD do that with sys$creprc.  You could use lib$spawn (not detached, butE it will create a PPF) or submit it as a batch job.  Note that the DCLn@ DEFINE command (without /USER) creates a process-permanent file.   Steve0   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2003 14:12:04 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)oB Subject: Re: HP: IT resource center forums: Why is VMS not listed.= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304181312.7688ee85@posting.google.com>i  q vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya) wrote in message news:<eb8f4d7b.0304180729.489053f2@posting.google.com>...tF > There is no OpenVMS section onthe HP IT resource center forums. ThatA > amazes me as they recently added a Tru64 section. Even includes) > microsoft sections.e > ( > What do you think could be the reason?  F Maybe because no one has asked yet?  I note there's no NonStop sectionE there, either.  But there are sections on MPE/ix and the HP e3000, so F out-the-window goes the theory that OpenVMS isn't listed because HP is going to kill it. :-)(  D If you'd like to see OpenVMS topic forums, there's a "-> Contact HP"D link on the page -- please use it.  You might need to be prepared to) include a list of discussion topic areas.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:44:42 -0700D9 From: "gregc at gregcagle.com" <"gregc at gregcagle.com">UB Subject: Re: HP: IT resource center forums: Why is VMS not listed.. Message-ID: <va13feoda8a2e@corp.supernews.com>   Keith Parris wrote: s > vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya) wrote in message news:<eb8f4d7b.0304180729.489053f2@posting.google.com>...a > F >>There is no OpenVMS section onthe HP IT resource center forums. ThatA >>amazes me as they recently added a Tru64 section. Even includesg >>microsoft sections.. >>( >>What do you think could be the reason? >  > H > Maybe because no one has asked yet?  I note there's no NonStop sectionG > there, either.  But there are sections on MPE/ix and the HP e3000, sonH > out-the-window goes the theory that OpenVMS isn't listed because HP is > going to kill it. :-)u  D You will find, though, that the MPE forum is much less busy than theF 3000-L mailing list. Maybe the ITRC doesn't see the need to supplement' an already active and useful forum (?).T   --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:06:54 GMT:# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>0> Subject: Re: IT resource center forums: Why is VMS not listed.H Message-ID: <yVYna.93760$jVh.62473@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  9 "Vinit Adya" <vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com> wrote in message17 news:eb8f4d7b.0304180729.489053f2@posting.google.com... F > There is no OpenVMS section onthe HP IT resource center forums. ThatA > amazes me as they recently added a Tru64 section. Even includesr > microsoft sections.  >m( > What do you think could be the reason?    $ Choose one or more of the following:
 a) Stupidity.i2 b) Nobody at HP knows how to spell VMS or OpenVMS.( c) HP thinks that Digital still owns it.* d) They only list products they advertise.> e) HP doesn't want to scare customers of their other products.: f)  VMS is getting it's own TV show - 'The Twilight Zone'.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:42:41 +0200 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> A Subject: Re: No evasive action on Network incoming FTP task, why? 4 Message-ID: <3ea0471a$0$26346$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:4 > What makes you say breakin evasion is not active ? > D > The source is marked as an intruder.  If the source should provideH > a proper username/password combination, access should still be denied.8 > Do you have evidence that access would not be denied ?  O I got confused. What I meant was to prevent attempts access, not login failure g in case he guessees a pwd.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:44:35 +0200L1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> A Subject: Re: No evasive action on Network incoming FTP task, why?g4 Message-ID: <3ea0478b$0$26346$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   David M Smith wrote:  O > I believe this is a known problem in some earlier versions of TCP/IP ServiceswO > which is fixed in newer releases and in ECO's for (some) older releases. Whatw; > version and ECO level of TCP/IP Services are you running?    5.1-15  " I'll see the doc for ip selection.   Tx.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:39:25 -0400e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>A Subject: Re: No evasive action on Network incoming FTP task, why? / Message-ID: <3EA0546A.CFE91723@vl.videotron.ca>e   PRSTSC::DTL wrote:O > Why is there no evasive action taken, as during interactive login attempts? I N > would be pleased to see my FTP server pause until I fix the problem, and not1 > listen to the keyboard bell every 20 seconds...v  G How do you define breaking evasion ? In my experience, VMS continues tonL *appear* the same to the user, but even if he succeeds with the password, itJ will pretend it was a wrong password and not let him in.  And for a dialupM connection, the connection will be dropped after a vertain number of attempts & (irresepective of breaking detection).  L Another aspect: when you enter an invalid username, it can't  really disableH (temporarily or permanently) a username , which si what breaking evasion really does.  M However, in modern times, it would be nice if breaking evasion would block an3K IP address. On the other hand, that may jeoperdize real services. (considerl* coproration A sending orders to company B.L Employee in A mucks around on B's server trying all sorts of passwords, thusN kicking in B's breaking evasion which would then block the ordering process as3 well if they are on the same machine (eg: same IP).d   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2003 16:04:23 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) A Subject: Re: No evasive action on Network incoming FTP task, why?r3 Message-ID: <7AeIaVWIh1yn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <3ea0471a$0$26346$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:5 >> What makes you say breakin evasion is not active ?h >> nE >> The source is marked as an intruder.  If the source should providepI >> a proper username/password combination, access should still be denied.o9 >> Do you have evidence that access would not be denied ?) > Q > I got confused. What I meant was to prevent attempts access, not login failure   > in case he guessees a pwd.  B The nature of breakin evasion is that guessing a password will not- help him (or her) once marked as an intruder.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:12:31 -0400r  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPr5 Message-ID: <1030418155432.2426A-100000@Ives.egh.com>.  . On 17 Apr 2003 briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  W > In article <3E975155.3F202C13@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes: + > > So why couldn't SMTP service do a quickr > > 	mail> show forw/user=*/allaL > > during SMTP startup and use that list as a reference, rejecting all thatJ > > do not appear under Username? Quick, easy and under the control of VMS2 > > mail running on the same node SMTP is running. > F > What if the forwarding is to a remote node that is not currently up? >  > 	John Briggs  D That shouldn't matter.  SMTP does store-and-forward.  If the user isE legal, there should be either a valid local account for them (not set G as dismail), or a forwarding address.  MAIL> SHOW FORW/USER=*/ALL lists-F both of these, so anyone not present could be bounced (or black-holed)G immediately.  But it would be better to check the same info immediatelyyF when mail is received by SMTP, rather than just at startup.  That way,E you wouldn't have to stop and restart SMTP every time you added a new.$ user or changed someones forwarding.  A It surprises me (if true) that the various VMS SMTP servers (UCX, B TCPWare, Multinet, MX, PMDF) don't already do this, though.  Isn't? there a callable mail routine to check this?  Or do you need to ? actually attempt to send mail to a user to check if they exist?   ? If so, I think it should be possible to implement a work-aroundi> by checking the UAF first for valid account (without DISMAIL),A and if not present, ask mail if there is a FORWARD for that user.i> This check should be done after getting the "RECT TO:" header,< and before responding with a "250 ... Recipient ok" message.< Having done that check (which shouldn't take very long), the@ SMTP server should be able to either bounce the mail (recieve it> and send a bounce message back to the sender) or black-hole it= (recieve it and throw it away) or reject it without receiving>= the body of the mail, at the option of whoever configured thee9 SMTP server.  A fancier server could base its decision onn; what the actual recipient was (and maybe whether the sender < was local or remote.)  For example, you might want to reject= SPAM, black-hole suspicious addresses like "root", and bounce>% mail for recently departed employees.f   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:33:57 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPy4 Message-ID: <p3%na.118184$UR.1042586@news.chello.at>  U In article <3E93101E.68F91B5A@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:   >I'm running TCPIP Services 5.1.  K You know that V5.3 ECO 2 is current, with V5.4 expected to come in Q4 (withmL VMS V7.3-2) which brings some more required goodies (like >10K BG devices) ?  G >50% of all the mail I receive is directed to uses at my domain that dot >not exist.r  ; No problem with the right mailserver on the right place ;-)   D >This uses up a lot of resources processing the return message, etc.= >Since 99% of it is SPAM, the return message (your message islH >undeliverable) cannot be delivered, so SMTP waits and tries it again upE >to the limit I have set for retries (5). I don't want to change thattH >number, since I'd like to continue retrying when required while sending >out my legitimate mail.  F Return messages is the wrong plan. Reject messages is the better plan.  C >Is there any other way to just drop mail addressed to non-existentmG >users? I don't even want to TRY to let them know that the user doesn'tmF >exist. I'm using my SMTP.CONFIG file for other filtering, but I don't >see a way to do it there.  A I recommend a SMTP server which rejects mails on various criteriawE (1. Realtime Blackhole Lists RBL, 2. Unresolvable sender domain nameseF 3. explicit IP addresses 4. unmatches HELO/EHLO nodenames with used IPH address, 5. explicit MAIL FROM: addresses 6. explicit RCPT TO: addressesD 7. non-existant RCPT TO: addresses, 8. explicit From: address items,I 9. explicit To: address items, 10. explicit Subject: items, 11. heuristic G filters like how does an AOL address really look like, and so on), sits-H directly on the internet (to reject mails instead of accept&return), hasN the whole userdatabase (this one is my opinion, your's is obviously different,M but if all the features of the smtp server work, only a very small percentagetN of the SPAMs come to this stage, so the information of the userdatabase to theH outside is not that problem but YMMV) and does also scan for virii/worms. and return, disinfect and/or quarantine mails.   MX (with SOPHOS) can do it.o& PMDF (with SOPHOS) probably can do it.0 TCPIP SMTP (with SOPHOS) can only do part of it.2 TCPware SMTP (with SOPHOS) can only do part of it.  G I'm pretty sure, you're SOL for quite some more time with TCPIP SMTP...n   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERs% Network and OpenVMS system specialist4 E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:39:28 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP / Message-ID: <3EA08C9C.D4298396@vl.videotron.ca>w   John Santos wrote:I > immediately.  But it would be better to check the same info immediatelyoH > when mail is received by SMTP, rather than just at startup.  That way,G > you wouldn't have to stop and restart SMTP every time you added a new & > user or changed someones forwarding.  F Just speculation on my part, I haven't checked this yet. The DEC TCPIPL Services SMTP is broken up into both a receiver and a sender. Is it possibleM that the receiver's job is simply to negotiate the reception and then queue avL "send message" in the SMTP queues which is processed by the sending symbiont% for either local or remote delivery ?S  H When you lookj at the SMTO sender logs, it displays all of the anti-spamL settings when it starts, while the receiver doesn't seem to display much. (a: new log file is created for each inbound message it seems)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:41:11 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTP / Message-ID: <3EA08D03.DAA118FB@vl.videotron.ca>o  2 oops: forgot the conclusion to my previous message  s  M If the receiver's job is simply to queue a message to the sender queues, theniJ it doesn't do much in terms of analysis of the message, letting the senderM queue decide whether that message should be discarded, rejected or delivered.,   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:14:04 -0400g0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: Reject Unknown Users from SMTPt/ Message-ID: <3EA0A2C2.56451F5F@vl.videotron.ca>     Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:H > 3. explicit IP addresses 4. unmatches HELO/EHLO nodenames with used IP
 > address,  J The problem with this is that there are many serious emails that come fromN folks with LANs but who must set the emails to appear to come from their ISP'sH network so that the replies will be sent back to the ISP since their ISP" blocks port 25 and static IPs etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:09:21 -0400N* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: Strange SYS$ENQ problem8 Message-ID: <05Zna.19915$em4.332583@weber.videotron.net>   Hi  1 The program exits when ran with or without debug.   7 > how are you detecting that the lock has been granted?g  D The process waiting for the lock to be released, starts going again.  C I will try calling the subroutine from a different place within the J Powerhouse program on Tuesday (after Easter holiday). Powerhouse sometimesJ does unexpected things, at different moments in its cycle. It's possible IH get different behavior or even an error message by calling it some place else.n   -- Syltrem  OpenVMS 7.3-1 - Oracle 8.1.6.0  B http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS site in french language)A "BC Buyer" <BCbuyer@hotmail.com> a crit dans le message de news: 2 AQKna.747169$Yo4.71836138@news1.calgary.shaw.ca... >s7 > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message*0 > news:drEna.4526$945.13337@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...H > > I am calling a basic subroutine from a Powerhouse QUICK program (for those ? > > who have worked with powerhouse, my subroutine is linked inv
 QKDRIVER.EXE)  > >a > > The basic subroutine does a=H > >          STATUS = SYS$ENQW(,LKMODE BY VALUE, CTRL_LKSB(0%) BY REF, &E > >                            FLAG BY VALUE, TEMPLOCK BY DESC,,,,,,)5 > > among other things.sK > > The result of the call is 1 (success) and the status in lksb is also 1.  >  > (snip) >  > > I > > I traced the QUICK program with the debugger and right after it calls  that! > > routine, it goes back to DCL.n > >r >2K > I've had Heisenberg come and bite me in similar circumstances. By runnings a5H > problem child program under the debugger, I had programs crash in ways thatC > I didn't expect given the other behavior I observed. In these fewnI > circumstances, it turned out that my process was hitting resource quotasJ > limits that a non-debug run of the program would not reach. In effect, I wasoI > changing the system under study by observing it! Once this was realized  andgI > the appropriate quotas raised, the debugger run quickly established the  trueK > source of the problem in a different area of the program entirely. I haveyL > found that this problem will most frequently show itself when a new module > is scoped in.e > I > I assume that you traced execution into and through your BASIC routine.e ArerI > you setting FLAG with LCK$M_NOQUEUE? If not, how are you detecting that' thei > lock has been granted? >aD > The other way I have seen quick deaths like this is with an accessK > violation. You have probably checked already, but you might want to countr@ > your commas and verify your data types and passing mechanisms. >p >0	 > Cheers,  >  Peter Smode >S >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:18:38 -0400e* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: Strange SYS$ENQ problem8 Message-ID: <05Zna.19916$em4.332426@weber.videotron.net>  = > Haven't your parents ever told you about safe-programming ?A  L They know nothing about programming, but if you do, you know what it is likeK in the real world. You can't always do what you feel is the best thing whenoG you're asked to make 2 applications (actually, 3 this time) talk to onec< another. You can't re-think 20 years of a business' history.  H I need to call this old routine that's been working fine for 15 years asH part of the older application (which is ill-written but working). That's just the way it is.n   I'll check about AST's   -- Syltrem  OpenVMS 7.3-1 - Oracle 8.1.6.0  B http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS site in french language)G "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> a crit dans le message deS* news: 3E9F4ABD.C10E6721@vl.videotron.ca... > Syltrem wrote:H > >          STATUS = SYS$ENQW(,LKMODE BY VALUE, CTRL_LKSB(0%) BY REF, &E > >                            FLAG BY VALUE, TEMPLOCK BY DESC,,,,,,)w >rK > > The result of the call is 1 (success) and the status in lksb is also 1.e > >bJ > > What happens is that QUICK exits to DCL immediately after calling this > > subroutine >uI > Is it possible that some other part of the program has some sort of AST E > pending that is triggered when the lock you try to get is acquired.O > I > Have you tried to request a totally different, totally unrelated lock ?l >n >lL > > It is the 1st time this ever happened to me. I call all kind of routines all2C > > the time (from QUICK), and I've never encountered any problems.n > C > When you fool around with all kinds of routines all the time, youw shouldn't beK > surprised if you catch some nasty bug. Haven't your parents ever told youo > about safe-programming ? >eJ > Another thing you could try is to $SETAST to OFF prior to thw ENQW, then do aI > few things (including some prompt to continue, and then $SETAST back too ON. IfL > the program quits due to an AST being triggered, that should give you some3 > hint. (unless the AST is at a much higher level).D   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:48:29 -0400t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: Strange SYS$ENQ problem/ Message-ID: <3EA072A0.79FAF348@vl.videotron.ca>m   Syltrem wrote:@ >> > Haven't your parents ever told you about safe-programming ?M > in the real world. You can't always do what you feel is the best thing whenCI > you're asked to make 2 applications (actually, 3 this time) talk to onec > another. V  L So your boss wants you to suport threesomes...  I guess VMS is good at thoseQ things since they officially support up to 96 nodes doing it it together. :-) :-)>  9 Actually, that could be a most interesting advertisement:2  N Picture: Two teenage kids, very shy, with the boy trying to touch the girl for first time.aN voice: Some computer companies are just begininng their clustering experience.  M Picture: Ballroom with 96 people in formal dress dancing a waltz with couplesiK constantly changing, gracefully handing the lady to another guy etc, all ati the same time.  J voice: VMS has been at it for a long long time and we can cluster far more? nodes in many more ways than your teenagers could ever imagine.i   ------   another one:   Picture of an awards ceremony.L Show a whole bunch of stand-ins waiting, twidling their thumbs. Then, as oneM star leaves to go to washroom, one of the stand-ins walks over to her seat tow) sit down to make the place look occupied.t  H Caption: With VMS clusters, you don't don't need to have fall back nodes# remain iddle during the good times.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:59:25 GMTpL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")$ Subject: Re: Strange SYS$ENQ problem6 Message-ID: <00A1E943.90DA5D64@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  b In article <3EA072A0.79FAF348@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >Syltrem wrote:cA >>> > Haven't your parents ever told you about safe-programming ?bN >> in the real world. You can't always do what you feel is the best thing whenJ >> you're asked to make 2 applications (actually, 3 this time) talk to one >> another.  >oM >So your boss wants you to suport threesomes...  I guess VMS is good at thoseeR >things since they officially support up to 96 nodes doing it it together. :-) :-) >n: >Actually, that could be a most interesting advertisement: >nO >Picture: Two teenage kids, very shy, with the boy trying to touch the girl for* >first time.O >voice: Some computer companies are just begininng their clustering experience.g >oN >Picture: Ballroom with 96 people in formal dress dancing a waltz with couplesL >constantly changing, gracefully handing the lady to another guy etc, all at >the same time.h > K >voice: VMS has been at it for a long long time and we can cluster far mored@ >nodes in many more ways than your teenagers could ever imagine.     I like this very much.   >s >------a >r
 >another one:A >s >Picture of an awards ceremony.sM >Show a whole bunch of stand-ins waiting, twidling their thumbs. Then, as oneiN >star leaves to go to washroom, one of the stand-ins walks over to her seat to* >sit down to make the place look occupied. >eI >Caption: With VMS clusters, you don't don't need to have fall back nodes $ >remain iddle during the good times.  N They actually call those stand-ins "seat fillers", which is a good description
 of the job.  s   -- Alan9   -- 3O ===============================================================================e0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025lO ===============================================================================p   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:54:28 -0700a From: "JeffK." <uce@ftc.gov>% Subject: Unix,VMS,Wintel connectivity ' Message-ID: <3EA06604.ED017429@ftc.gov>v  G What products/technology are current for connecting unix boxes, VMS andoD Wintel machines as far as software goes?  I've heard COM, CORBA, DecD ObjectBroker, sockets all bandied about, but a lot of it is older by software paradigms.g   Suggestions?   JeffK.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2003 11:02:10 -0700+ From: hobbesnet@hotmail.com (Scott Squires)a) Subject: Re: VAX C++ 5.6 install questiono= Message-ID: <ff921edf.0304181002.280a6730@posting.google.com>   u martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote in message news:<3e9fc60c.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>...i. > Scott Squires (hobbesnet@hotmail.com) wrote:H > > I fixed that, and then it went through ok.  Except that I don't haveE > > the CXXLSTL help which the CXX help says should be available.  Ity& > > isn't in the kit either.  Oh well. > N > As the Standard Template Library (STL) is, well, standard, any documentationL > about it should do, e.g. http://www.cs.rpi.edu/projects/STL/stl/stl.html .   From the release notes:7  F "Remember that the ANSI C++ Standard is not yet finalized and thus ourF STL releases are not guaranteed to be compatible with prior releases."  B "Version 5.6 of the compiler includes a subset of the C++ Standard@ Library. The set includes components supplied with 5.5, plus the Complex Math library."  G > That said, of course CXX should include the docs if its help says so.   B "Should" is the keyword.  But then, the installation "should" work@ without having to modify kitinstal.com.  If you would like to beD helpful, you could download the saveset, unpack it, and point out toB me where the cxxlstd help is.  Otherwise you come accross as plain rude.d   Regards,
 Scott Squireso   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:29:37 -0400m  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>) Subject: Re: VAX C++ 5.6 install questiono5 Message-ID: <1030418182519.2426A-100000@Ives.egh.com>-  $ On 18 Apr 2003, Scott Squires wrote:  w > martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote in message news:<3e9fc60c.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>...t0 > > Scott Squires (hobbesnet@hotmail.com) wrote:J > > > I fixed that, and then it went through ok.  Except that I don't haveG > > > the CXXLSTL help which the CXX help says should be available.  It ( > > > isn't in the kit either.  Oh well. > > P > > As the Standard Template Library (STL) is, well, standard, any documentationN > > about it should do, e.g. http://www.cs.rpi.edu/projects/STL/stl/stl.html . >  > From the release notes:s > H > "Remember that the ANSI C++ Standard is not yet finalized and thus ourH > STL releases are not guaranteed to be compatible with prior releases." > D > "Version 5.6 of the compiler includes a subset of the C++ StandardB > Library. The set includes components supplied with 5.5, plus the > Complex Math library." > I > > That said, of course CXX should include the docs if its help says so.  > D > "Should" is the keyword.  But then, the installation "should" workB > without having to modify kitinstal.com.  If you would like to beF > helpful, you could download the saveset, unpack it, and point out toD > me where the cxxlstd help is.  Otherwise you come accross as plain > rude.  > 
 > Regards, > Scott Squires   C Somewhere in this thread, I noted that V5.6 C++ is very old and thetD current version is V6.5.  That seems to be true of the Alpha version@ only.  The VAX version on the latest (2003 Q1) VAX SPL is V5.6C.  B I don't know if this is different from the version you downloaded,1 or how V5.6C differs from V5.6 (vanilla, A or B)..   Sorry for the confusion.   -- m John SantosV Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 03:10:19 +0200p2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)) Subject: Re: VAX C++ 5.6 install questionm; Message-ID: <3ea0a1fb.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   , Scott Squires (hobbesnet@hotmail.com) wrote:7 > martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote... 0 > > Scott Squires (hobbesnet@hotmail.com) wrote:J > > > I fixed that, and then it went through ok.  Except that I don't haveG > > > the CXXLSTL help which the CXX help says should be available.  It0( > > > isn't in the kit either.  Oh well. > > B > > As the Standard Template Library (STL) is, well, standard, any* > > documentation about it should do, e.g.5 > > http://www.cs.rpi.edu/projects/STL/stl/stl.html .0 >5 > From the release notes:. >,H > "Remember that the ANSI C++ Standard is not yet finalized and thus ourH > STL releases are not guaranteed to be compatible with prior releases."  6 ...which doesn't say anything about the STL in itself.  D > "Version 5.6 of the compiler includes a subset of the C++ StandardB > Library. The set includes components supplied with 5.5, plus the > Complex Math library."  ! ...which doesn't mention the STL.l  I > > That said, of course CXX should include the docs if its help says so.  >FD > "Should" is the keyword.  But then, the installation "should" workB > without having to modify kitinstal.com.  If you would like to beF > helpful, you could download the saveset, unpack it, and point out toD > me where the cxxlstd help is.  Otherwise you come accross as plain > rude.o  E I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I just wanted to point outCC that the STL (which isn't the same as the C++ Standard Library!) iscE a well-defined and standardized set of container classes, algorithms,oB etc. for which in my experience non-VMS documentation (see the URL mentioned) will do very well.=   cu,A   Martin --  F                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deoF  Redmondem delendam esse. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:54:00 -04002  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences5 Message-ID: <1030418164144.2426B-100000@Ives.egh.com>A  5 On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:   y > In article <OFC8E9212E.5CB2D9C8-ON07256D02.0052972D@rsc.raytheon.com>, "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes:*% > >   SHOW MEMORY due to architecture? > >   ODS-5 only on AlphapC > >   SDA has different interface and commands due to VMS structure.8 > >   @AUTOGEN/SYSGEN/SYSMAN PARAM due to VMS structure. > > < > >Others?  Please send me a list and I'll make a composite. > # > Here is my (very incomplete) listr >  [...]i% > RECALL List (20 Entries vs umpteen)   E VAX 7.3 allows at least 45.  (I had 40 in one of my VAX sessions, andcH typed a bunch more junk commands and got it up to 45.  I don't know whatE the real limit is, but according to HELP RECALL on both VAX (7.3) ands" Alpha (7.3-1) it is the same, 254.   > RECALL/SEARCHn  @ BTW, RECALL/SEARCH is not mentioned in HELP on Alpha V7.3-1, but7 it does work.  RECALL/SEARCH does not work on VAX V7.3.F  ; > VMS Installation/Updates/ECOs (VMSINSTAL vs. CD-ROM/PCSI)g  @ PCSI is available on VAX, but most LPs and ECOs are not packaged; using it.  (DECNet-Plus and, IIRC, TCPIP do use it on VAX.)s   > BIND9a > PPP  > SSHd  < All three of these are included in TCPWARE on VAX as well as2 on Alpha.  Don't know about UCX/TCPIP or Multinet.   --   John Santost Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2003 16:07:40 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)m& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences3 Message-ID: <SrtbswqHHoai@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  X In article <1030418164144.2426B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:7 > On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:e  & >> RECALL List (20 Entries vs umpteen) > G > VAX 7.3 allows at least 45.  (I had 40 in one of my VAX sessions, andnJ > typed a bunch more junk commands and got it up to 45.  I don't know whatG > the real limit is, but according to HELP RECALL on both VAX (7.3) and2$ > Alpha (7.3-1) it is the same, 254.  E But that limit of 254 is accompanied by a limit on the total recalled E characters, so you can retain more short commands than long commands.r Just like human memory :-)  < >> VMS Installation/Updates/ECOs (VMSINSTAL vs. CD-ROM/PCSI) > B > PCSI is available on VAX, but most LPs and ECOs are not packaged= > using it.  (DECNet-Plus and, IIRC, TCPIP do use it on VAX.)   9 I think the point was that VMS itself uses PCSI on Alpha.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 23:56:24 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha VMS differences4 Message-ID: <Ig0oa.119552$UR.1053181@news.chello.at>  l In article <LVGna.100771$UR.868224@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:x >In article <OFC8E9212E.5CB2D9C8-ON07256D02.0052972D@rsc.raytheon.com>, "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes:$ >>   SHOW MEMORY due to architecture >>   ODS-5 only on AlphaB >>   SDA has different interface and commands due to VMS structure7 >>   @AUTOGEN/SYSGEN/SYSMAN PARAM due to VMS structure.i >>; >>Others?  Please send me a list and I'll make a composite.o >n" >Here is my (very incomplete) list > 
 >CISC vs RISCr
 >32 vs 64 bita, >pages vs. pagelets (512 vs 8192 Byte pages)4 >Macro32 vs Macro64 Assembler (and Macro32 Compiler) >SYSGEN vs SYSMAN IO >VIOC vs XFC (and VIOC), >C Device Driverse& >Partitioning (H/W and S/W aka Galaxy) >Hardlinks & Accessdates >IEEE($ >RECALL List (20 Entries vs umpteen) >RECALL/SEARCH >ANALYZE/IMAGE/SELECT-G >Modern Hardware (Fast Eth, GbE, ATM, FibreChannel, MemoryChannel, ...)P >RAD Support: >VMS Installation/Updates/ECOs (VMSINSTAL vs. CD-ROM/PCSI)$ >Standalone Backup vs Standalone VMS >CLUE.EXE vs SDA>CLUEe >LINK/SYSEXE >JAVAm >MOZILLA >APACHE (PERL, PHP, TOMCAT)A >SSL >CDSA D >DECwindows-MOTIF Common Desktop Environment (CDE aka "New Desktop") >MMOVs >BIND9 >PPP >SSH >F90 >DNVRTG vs DNVEXTe >No GAP 	 >No DDCMPz >AdvancedServere >AMDS vs AVAILMAN (JAVA)! >OpenVMS Management Station (TNT)o >GTK+  >CXMLt  " Sorry, I'd got an old list posted.G I've to replace "OpenVMS Management Station (TNT)" with AUTO_DLIGHT_SAVh6 but there might be other errors/omissions of course...   -- , Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERh% Network and OpenVMS system specialistu E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:26:17 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: X-windows server loggingp4 Message-ID: <JbZna.116186$UR.1013946@news.chello.at>  b In article <3E926E37.9836840D@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:D >I've had the opportunity to remotely start a window to appear on my
 >workstation.h >uH >With the DECWINDOWS security set to allow TCPIP * *, I had no problems.  . "Connectivity is the opposite of security" ;-)  F >If I block access, it also blocks access and I get a message such as: >a >d; >8-APR-2003 03:04:44.1 Invalid access from transport: TCPIP C >                                                node: 123.45.67.89o8 >                                                user: ? >,3 >In the SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG    Yes, this is normal.G But as you show the node in decimal notation it seems that your reversekH DNS lookup failed (or your hostfile is lacking this node). This might beK intended, but it may also indicate another problem you must soon dive into.e  I >However, for a succesful connection and window opening, there is nothingg2 >logged, just a message when the window is closed.   Unfortunately, yes.3O VMS like security/auditing is not seen in X11 implentations (true on VMS also).n   >Various questions:n >lO >1- Is there a logical name or other thing to do to get decwindows (VAX) to log K >even the succesful window openings including the ip address and username ?3M >(where is or should that logical be defined, and must one restart decwindowsP >for this to take effect ?)h  : I do not know any such logical. I'd like to have one, too.  L >2- Is there a logical name to get the decwindows server to write the actual >username instead of "?"  J AFAIK is X11 over IP sending not a username but the UID in binary instead.H Therefor you can't use security based on username strings when using X11I over IP (because there is none). Inacceptable security is the main reasonu& why MIT magic cookies were invented...  M >3- When entering the various hosts from whcih the server accepts connections0O >to pop windows on my screen, is there a difference between a domain name andanR
 >ip address ?c  : If you want to be sure, enter both. There is a difference.? If a name is existant, it is used. If not, the address is used.t  B >I had it work for a while with a domain name and actual username,K >but then, the domain name stopped working and I got it to work with the IPo >address (strange !).s  4 DNS problems are not uncommon for the uninformed ;-)? eg. DNS Zones have TTL and if they are not regularly renewed...r  K >4- How much bandwidth does xwindows actually consume  ? For instance, in a H >DECwindows TPU window, while entering text, would this have significant@ >overhead compared to a telnet session with character cell TPU ?  " Much more than pure terminal. Yes.   HIH,   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER4% Network and OpenVMS system specialistt E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.215 ************************