1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 22 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 222       Contents: Re: 7.1-1 H1 to 7.3: issue? 
 AlphaPC164 Re: BA356 woes could not access disk  Re: could not access disk  Re: could not access disk  Re: could not access disk 9 Re: DCL question (of the day)- null byte in string symbol # Finding CPU ID on Jensen without OS ' Re: Finding CPU ID on Jensen without OS ' Re: Finding CPU ID on Jensen without OS @ HELP NEEDED - printing from a VAX to a Linux PC printer on a LAND Re: HELP NEEDED - printing from a VAX to a Linux PC printer on a LAN Re: HTML favourite editor? Re: HTML favourite editor? Re: HTML favourite editor? Re: HTML favourite editor? Re: HTML favourite editor? Re: HTML favourite editor?H RE: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly. Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and cons* Re: Mirroring versus Shadowing - any diff?) Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Portal Press Release ) Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Portal Press Release ) Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Portal Press Release ) Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Portal Press Release 3 Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments 3 Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments 3 Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments 3 Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments + Restore of older version from newer version  Re: Scaling of HELP libraries  Re: Scaling of HELP libraries C Re: Seen Link Coloring (was: OpenVMS Hobbyist Portal Press Release)  Re: Strange SYS$ENQ problem  Re: Strange SYS$ENQ problem ! Re: system tools cd mount problem ! Re: system tools cd mount problem & Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading2 Re: Useless hard disk RZ29B-W information - Jensen2 Re: Useless hard disk RZ29B-W information - Jensen2 Re: Useless hard disk RZ29B-W information - Jensen VMS721_SYS_DB v1.0? 5 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ? O [OT] News Propogation (was Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 07:43:37 -0700, From: vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya)$ Subject: Re: 7.1-1 H1 to 7.3: issue?= Message-ID: <eb8f4d7b.0304220643.5de2c702@posting.google.com>   F i would wanna check other layered products and and their min supportedD versions on 7.3-1. My own upgrade plan from 7.2-1 to 7.3-1 needed anF intermideate update to 7.2-2 and then Version up on Pathworks and some2 other layered products before i could go to 7.3-1.7 Also 7.3-1 likes ODS5, so one has to keep that in mind!    cheers Vinit   [ hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<sb%oa.132$Bf2.127@news.cpqcorp.net>... j > In article <3e9e76e2$0$28773$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:R > :I have a Customer running real Real Time programs under OpenVMS 7.1-1H1/Alpha.  > :They want to upgrade to 7.3.  > H >   From OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-1H1 to OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1, I would expect. > 8 > :Is there something particular they should care about? > 5 >   Freely pillaging from materials posted elsewhere:  > F >   "Open-ended questions -- any gotchas -- are effectively impossibleI >   for the OpenVMS Wizard to answer, given the nature and the complexity H >   of the environment.  In general, please apply the mandatory ECO kitsH >   for the OpenVMS release in use, please maintain a supported release,E >   and please see the support and ECO information and the ECO search < >   engine information that is included in the OpenVMS FAQ." > F >   I would further encourage BACKUPs before and after -- to fall backF >   to the pre-upgrade environment or to fall back to the as-installedE >   environment -- and I would also encourage off-line testing of all B >   critical applications.  Also check the other product versions. > F >   Any other upgrades planned?  Platform upgrades?  Storage upgrades? > G >   I have seen applications fail because OpenVMS V7.3-1 is faster (and F >   the application had a latent timing bug), for instance -- this andF >   most other classes of open-ended questions are hideously difficultF >   to answer with any specificity.  And the general answer, well, you >   already know that. > H >   As another reply mentioned, "real-time" is meaningless in isolation.F >   The interesting parts of any "real-time" installation involve the F >   determination of the required response time, and the determinationF >   of the cost of missing a response window.  Characterizing and then+ >   measuring the response, in other words.  > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:10:53 GMT ( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> Subject: AlphaPC164 . Message-ID: <xbbpa.302617$OV.342852@rwcrnsc54>  
 Hello all,  J I just bought an AlphaPC164 motherboard. I found some documentation on theG 'net that indicates that it won't boot VMS from an IDE device, and sure J enough, it won't. Before I plug a SCSI controller into the thing, I wantedJ to ask this astute group if anyone had found a work around for this issue.   --   Mark E. Levy" System Management Associates, Inc. www.sysman-inc.com www.openvms.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:18:35 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: BA356 woes 4 Message-ID: <f16pa.170875$UR.1625752@news.chello.at>  r In article <b7q1vq$5v1$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris Townley" <news_ac@townleyc.NOSPAM.demon.co.uk> writes:L >Slightly embarrssed - I havent installed DECEVENT - will have to borrow theF >CD from work again (hobbyist machine), before I can report the actual< >errors. So much for a solid system management background...  F For those of you who still doesn't know that you can download DECevent2 (and need not get ConDist CDs), it is available at  ? 	http://www.compaq.com/support/svctools/decevent/index.html#vms    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Apr 2003 23:13:05 -0700 From: ajmalkjadoon@yahoo.com Subject: could not access disk= Message-ID: <8e767070.0304212213.6275709d@posting.google.com>    sir ( Basically when i booted vax from console# the systen will halt at this line.. 7 %TMSCPLOAD-I-LOADINGTMSCP,LOADING THE TMSCP TAPE SERVER   ) so what i did,i use following commands at  SYSBOOT prompt.    SYSBOOT> SET TMSCP_LOAD 0  SYSBOOT> SET VAXCLUSTER 0  SYSBOOT> CONTINUE   * now the system will not halt at any point. and i got $ prompt.  when i use this command  $ SHOW DEVICE D:( the system show only one physical device            $2$DIA13 but the data is store in following logical devices.           (1)     D$6:[sabir]          (2)     D$9:[sabir]1 and the system will not show both devices.(1),(2)   ) now plz tell what command i should use to  access the logical devices   waiting for ur reply.. regards  ajmal    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 08:00:32 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: could not access disk3 Message-ID: <WnPwhfScbbxf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <8e767070.0304212213.6275709d@posting.google.com>, ajmalkjadoon@yahoo.com writes: > sir * > Basically when i booted vax from console% > the systen will halt at this line.. 9 > %TMSCPLOAD-I-LOADINGTMSCP,LOADING THE TMSCP TAPE SERVER  > + > so what i did,i use following commands at  > SYSBOOT prompt.  >  > SYSBOOT> SET TMSCP_LOAD 0  > SYSBOOT> SET VAXCLUSTER 0  > SYSBOOT> CONTINUE  > , > now the system will not halt at any point. > and i got $ prompt.  > when i use this command  > $ SHOW DEVICE D:* > the system show only one physical device >            $2$DIA15 > but the data is store in following logical devices.  >          (1)     D$6:[sabir] >          (2)     D$9:[sabir]  A    D$6 and D$9 are not valid VMS device names.  They are probably A    logical names set during boot that point to some device and/or 
    directory.   B    Try "show logical d$6" to see where that should point.  If it'sF    not defined then try "search sys$startup:*.com d$6" to see where it    should point.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:00:10 +0100 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> " Subject: Re: could not access disk? Message-ID: <692f25e74b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   < In message <8e767070.0304212213.6275709d@posting.google.com>'           ajmalkjadoon@yahoo.com wrote:    > sir * > Basically when i booted vax from console% > the systen will halt at this line.. 9 > %TMSCPLOAD-I-LOADINGTMSCP,LOADING THE TMSCP TAPE SERVER  > + > so what i did,i use following commands at  > SYSBOOT prompt.  >  > SYSBOOT> SET TMSCP_LOAD 0  > SYSBOOT> SET VAXCLUSTER 0  > SYSBOOT> CONTINUE   L I'm guessing it didn't find any licenses, although it should eventually boot
 without them.   J I also found that booting a system without tape drives, and TMSCP enabled,H appears to hang, although I think it eventually times out and continues.   > , > now the system will not halt at any point. > and i got $ prompt.  > when i use this command  > $ SHOW DEVICE D:* > the system show only one physical device >            $2$DIA15 > but the data is store in following logical devices.  >          (1)     D$6:[sabir] >          (2)     D$9:[sabir]3 > and the system will not show both devices.(1),(2)   F This form of device name is unfamiliar to me. I'd expect either _DKA6,H _DUA6, _DSA6, etc or in a cluster environment, D$DKA etc, where D is theD node name of the Vax, or $2$DKA etc where 2 is the allocation class.   > + > now plz tell what command i should use to  > access the logical devices >  > waiting for ur reply..	 > regards  > ajmal   ) I would suggest first doing a >>>show dev  and >>>show config  I at the console prompt. If the devices do not show up there, then VMS will I not find them. The only other devices which may appear are those accessed L via a turbochannel adapter, which do not show up in >>>show dev although theG adapter shows up in >>>show config, and devices served by other cluster  members.  G In order for anyone to give you more help, you will need to supply more I information about the hardware, e.g. what sort of VAX, what sort of disks ! are they, how are they connected.   I (DIA in the disk name ought to tell me something, but I don't recall what > sort of controller produces that sort of device name. Anyone?)   --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:27:31 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>" Subject: Re: could not access disk+ Message-ID: <b83g04$tds@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   F "Alan Adams" <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message9 news:692f25e74b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk...   K > (DIA in the disk name ought to tell me something, but I don't recall what @ > sort of controller produces that sort of device name. Anyone?)  I DSSI. I'd expect a machine to stop after loading the TMSCP server because T the cluster formation timer kicks in. As in barking, so in booting, it's the message. that isn't there that is often most important.  M What I'd really like to know is whether this is a standalone machine that has K VAXCLUSTER non-zero for historical reasons, or whether it is a real cluster " with VAXCLUSTER recklessly zeroed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:04:31 +0100 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> B Subject: Re: DCL question (of the day)- null byte in string symbol? Message-ID: <4d9525e74b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   < In message <4b6ec350.0304211415.62acc51a@posting.google.com>7           JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) wrote:   [ > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote in message news:<hkxIBEAhI2kB@eisner.encompasserve.org>... \ > > In article <b7mmsk$spq@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes: > ... H > >   "You cannot specify null characters (<NUL>) on a DCL command line,B > >    even if you enclose the null character in quotation marks." > ...  > > J > > It seems clear that cases in which a <NUL> is subtly embedded in a DCL@ > > command line through the use of symbol substitution are also > > intended to be forbidden.  > ...  > 7 > It was a shop standard at three places where I worked < > to never place a physically composed hexadecimal character8 > on any DCL statement or in any language's source code.P > When printing out to a printer, the hexadecimal data could confuse the printer# > into different modes, fonts, etc. D > Also, when you print out the source code you cannot view the value > (bad for documentation).6 > I wonder what a physical <NUL> character might do to> > Visual Source Safe and other like "source control" products?  E Makes sense. However I recall that at the start of this thread it was J explained that the character was read in from a file, whose contents couldL not be known in advance. The example used a_symbol[0,8]=0 to create the same/ effect. Both of these methods are printer-safe.    >   > Jim Strehlow, Alameda, CA, USA   --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:44:11 +0200 ( From: "Philip Lewis" <philip@nospam.com>, Subject: Finding CPU ID on Jensen without OS, Message-ID: <b82oc4$qtq$1@news.cybercity.dk>   Hmmm,   K According to the Hobbyist site, I need the "CPU Serial Number:" to generate F a license.  I have no clue how to extract this from the machine.  This. machine has no OS installed at all by the way.   p.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:51:29 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>0 Subject: Re: Finding CPU ID on Jensen without OS) Message-ID: <3EA4F481.FEAE4CBD@127.0.0.1>    Philip Lewis wrote:  >  > Hmmm,  > M > According to the Hobbyist site, I need the "CPU Serial Number:" to generate H > a license.  I have no clue how to extract this from the machine.  This0 > machine has no OS installed at all by the way.  F It is the number stamped on the chassis, probably starting AY followed by 8 or 9 digits.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:38:40 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)0 Subject: Re: Finding CPU ID on Jensen without OSL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2204030538400001@user-105n84g.dialup.mindspring.com>  ; In article <b82oc4$qtq$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Philip Lewis"  <philip@nospam.com> wrote:   >Hmmm, > L >According to the Hobbyist site, I need the "CPU Serial Number:" to generateG >a license.  I have no clue how to extract this from the machine.  This / >machine has no OS installed at all by the way.   B That web page is poorly worded.  Most alpha CPUs don't have serialJ numbers.  You need the serial number of the system, not the CPU, and it is5 usually on a sticker on the outside back of the case.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:25:56 -0500 (CDT) 0 From: Kevin Monceaux <OwnedByDogs@grandecom.net>I Subject: HELP NEEDED - printing from a VAX to a Linux PC printer on a LAN H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0304221022530.1872-100000@Linux.monceaux.com>  B Well, while we're on the subject of printing help I have a similarI problem.  I have a VAXStation 3100 M76 hobbyist system.  The only printer D on my home network is attached to a Linux box.  CUPS is the printingH subsystem currently installed on the Linux box.  Is it possible to printG from a VAX to a Linux box running CUPS?  So far I haven't had any luck. C Actually it's been a while since I've tried but the recent printing 8 question reminded me that I hadn't got this working yet.       Kevin    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 12:37:20 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) M Subject: Re: HELP NEEDED - printing from a VAX to a Linux PC printer on a LAN 3 Message-ID: <wWqLftKpddfb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   { In article <Pine.LNX.4.50.0304221022530.1872-100000@Linux.monceaux.com>, Kevin Monceaux <OwnedByDogs@grandecom.net> writes:  > D > Well, while we're on the subject of printing help I have a similarK > problem.  I have a VAXStation 3100 M76 hobbyist system.  The only printer F > on my home network is attached to a Linux box.  CUPS is the printingJ > subsystem currently installed on the Linux box.  Is it possible to printI > from a VAX to a Linux box running CUPS?  So far I haven't had any luck. E > Actually it's been a while since I've tried but the recent printing : > question reminded me that I hadn't got this working yet.  D    I print to my kid's Linux system using an LPD queue all the time.G    I don't know if CUPS would get in the way of that, but all LPD needs     is the name of the queue.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:15:12 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl># Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? 2 Message-ID: <b82mrr$26q$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   PRSTSC::DTL wrote:/ > What is to you the greatest HTML code editor? # > I say editor, not visual dev env.  >  > edt 
 > Notepad.exe  > WebExpert  > ?  >  > D. >   1 I'm using the X-Windows text editor, works great! ; You can also use the Mozilla composer, simple but it works. ! Both require X-Windows of course.   D And it seems Decset already has a HTML extension for LSE. Look here:  7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73FINAL/5815/5815_008.htm    and you can find html.lse !   A ASHE etc, are quite old, and most likely not HTML 4.01 compliant.   P A friendly word of advise: start using stylesheets ! It makes life a lot easier N I've noticed. Far less (deprecated) HTML code, thus more readable HTML files. 9 Much more posibilities too compared with 'standard' HTML.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 02:27:31 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? / Message-ID: <3EA4E0D3.C3878C99@vl.videotron.ca>    Dirk Munk wrote:6 > A friendly word of advise: start using stylesheets !    J I disabled style sheet processing on my browser because too many site haveL misused style sheets to code font sizes, making fonts on browsers other thanK microsoft ones totally unreadable because too small. Don't use relative fon H sizes because you don't know what the default font size is on the user'sN browser. By using a fixed point font size, you enuse the "small print" remains6 readable no matter what the browser's default font it.  M Yahoo news is one of the big culprits that force me to turn style sheets off.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:44:28 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam># Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? 4 Message-ID: <b82vdi$gjf$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Dirk Munk wrote: > 6 >>A friendly word of advise: start using stylesheets ! >  >  > L > I disabled style sheet processing on my browser because too many site haveN > misused style sheets to code font sizes, making fonts on browsers other than  I Yes, too many sites make fonts 'too small' (a subjective term) - but I'd  C say more do it via the deprecated <font> tag than via style sheets.   M > microsoft ones totally unreadable because too small. Don't use relative fon J > sizes because you don't know what the default font size is on the user'sP > browser. By using a fixed point font size, you enuse the "small print" remains8 > readable no matter what the browser's default font it.  % 'readable' is also a subjective term. I Your readers will have set their 'normal' font size to suit their screen  C and their eyes. Relative font sizes are therefore much better than  A absolute font sizes, because they do take account of such things. 9 You should read the various accessibility guidelines etc. E You shouldn't really need to set font size at all (your readers have  H already set up what they find comfortable) - you should be able to just C use headings, main body text, and perhaps <small> for the legalese.   O > Yahoo news is one of the big culprits that force me to turn style sheets off.    I avoid Yahoo, myself.F Style sheets do provide a way for you to express your own preferences % (via user style sheets & !important).    Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:58:01 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam># Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? 4 Message-ID: <b83070$11j$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:? > I produce error-free HTML 4.01-Transitional, as arbitrated by 7 > http://validator.w3.org/ .  See http://www.ljk.com/ .    Error-free, as you say. / It's all tables & deprecated font tags however. C It occupies a rather narrow vertical band on my screen (1280*1024). E Presumably it's designed to look right at 640*480, or maybe less - a  H constraint imposed by the Dreamweaver design philosophy, rather than by  html.    Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 07:13:32 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? 3 Message-ID: <Dv0apQ9nQdzl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <b83070$11j$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:@ >> I produce error-free HTML 4.01-Transitional, as arbitrated by8 >> http://validator.w3.org/ .  See http://www.ljk.com/ . >  > Error-free, as you say.   D That is what I said, in response to a comment that it was impossible1 to create W3.org-compliant HTML with Dreamweaver.   1 > It's all tables & deprecated font tags however.   D Those tags are necessary to run with older browsers, such as on VAX.  E > It occupies a rather narrow vertical band on my screen (1280*1024). G > Presumably it's designed to look right at 640*480, or maybe less - a  J > constraint imposed by the Dreamweaver design philosophy, rather than by  > html.   > It is my choice, to present a particular aspect ratio on those? tables _and_ not require horizontal scrolling on small screens.   D The links at the top and bottom are intended to have all the productC links on the first line and all the other links on the second line.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:05:08 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? / Message-ID: <3EA5763E.FDABF3F2@vl.videotron.ca>    Chris Sharman wrote:J > Your readers will have set their 'normal' font size to suit their screen > and their eyes.   J No. Microsoft deliberatly set its default font sizes too big. As a result,K many sites makes their page's default fonts "smaller". But when rendered on W non-microsoft browsers whose default font is normal, the "smaller" makes it unreadable.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:44:32 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> Q Subject: RE: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ECFC5@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   John,   F > Windows NT used to run fine on the PowerPC chips.  Due to lack of=20' > interest that support was dropped.=20   B It was not Microsoft who initially dropped the PowerPC and MIPS asF Windows NT platforms. Microsoft only followed suit after these vendors@ announced they were dropping Windows NT OS support from their HW	 platform.   B While Microsoft liked to position their decision after the vendorsH announcement as "lack of plaform interest", I suspect the business modelC was more likely the reason why IBM and Motorola decided to drop the , PowerPC and MIPs HW as Windows NT platforms.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM        > -----Original Message-----3 > From: J.Clarke [mailto:nospam1@nospam.invalid]=20  > Sent: April 20, 2003 11:40 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < > Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft=20 > Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly  >=20 >=20H > In article <m3smukiowo.fsf@elgin.eder.de>, Andreas.Eder@t-online.de=20	 > says... 6 > > rw@vorpalbunnyeircom.net (Russell Wallace) writes: > >=206 > > > On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:12:49 -0500, J. Clarke=20 > <nospam1@nospam.invalid> > > > wrote: > > >=20B > > > >If consistency of shortcuts is so important then I would=20 > expect these=20 D > > > >same people to abandon Windows in droves and move to the Mac. > > >=20A > > > It is (or at least was, don't know what the situation is=20 
 > nowadays) a F > > > significant advantage of Mac OS, just not enough to outweigh its5 > > > complete inability to run on standard hardware.  > >=204 > > But Windows runs on Mac hardware, or doesn't it? >=20F > Windows NT used to run fine on the PowerPC chips.  Due to lack of=20F > interest that support was dropped.  OTOH, with SoftPC it is quite=20A > possible to run Windows on a Mac under MacOS.  The 2K and XP=20  > sources are=20> > available if anyone has the bucks and really wants to run=20 > them on a Mac=20
 > that badly.  >=20= > > > But that nearly happened. Back around the early 90s,=20  > Apple actuallyG > > > got a version of their operating system running on PCs. If they'd H > > > played their cards right, they could have seized the market before: > > > Microsoft had Windows 95 ready. Thank God Apple's=20 > management were too  > > > stupid to see it.  > >=20* > > One more reason not to beliebe in God. >=20J > The current MacOS is open standard and runs fine on older PCs--driver=20B > development has not been at all aggressive so support for the=20 > latest and=20 I > greatest isn't there.  What is not open standard is the Quartz GUI. =20 J > NeXTStep is also available for PCs (try ebay--there are usually a few=20@ > copies of the final release for sale, usually with a pretty=20= > comprehensive application bundle) however due to lack of=20  > interest NeXT=20 > was cancelled. > =20 @ > > > Ask people who like prune juice why it's not as popular=20
 > as Coke and A > > > I'm sure the answer you'll get is "Coca-Cola's marketing=20 
 > budget" ^.~  > >=20  > > And they are right about it.B > > Coke in drinking and McDonalds in eating are probably the best' > > equivalent to Windows in computing. ! > > I much prefer the real stuff.  >=20B > I wonder how much of a boost prune juice sales got after Worf=20
 > declared=20 " > it to be a real warrior's drink? >=20 > > 'Andreas >=20 > --=20  > -- > --John/ > Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net , > (used to be jclarke at eye bee em dot net) >=20   ------------------------------  ! Date: Tue, 22 Apr 03 10:00:42 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly + Message-ID: <b83agv$cbm$4@bob.news.rcn.net>   + In article <b810ju$ptq$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, /    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote: F >In article <b80in2$rgo$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:. >>In article <3EA365D0.3090804@tsoft-inc.com>,. >>   David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: >>>J. Clarke wrote:  >>> < >>>> In article <00A1BAF7.D4960A23@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, + >>>> winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU says...  >>> J >>>>>>There are problems with Windows, but blame it for what it does, not  for , >>>>>>what applications running under it do. >>>>>>K >>>>>I blame Microsoft in general, but Windows both has vulnerabilities of   >>its = >>>>>own and enables vulnerabilities in application software.  >>>>>  >>>>  D >>>> Every OS has vulnerabilities.  If you think they don't you are 	 deluding   >>>> yourself. >>>  >>> H >>>As for that, please direct me to any vulnerabilities in VMS.  People  keep  > >>>claiming that every OS has problems, but when asked, never  >>>seem able to point to   >>>any for VMS.  >>A >>Well, it helped to have the OS run on college computers who had > >>maintenance service contracts.  Those college critters were B >>real good at finding all the little cracks in the security wall. >>B >>Unfortunately, that aspect of the computing doesn't happen since= >>everybody has their own system and don't have the challenge % >>of defying an Establishment system.  >> > J >Even in Universities where teaching of computing is decentralised so eachI >school has their own systems there will still be centralised systems for  >Administration.H >For that matter the individual department/systems whether VMS, Unix or  Windows G >fileservers, compute servers, mail servers etc will still be a target.  > J >The administrative systems particularly those containing student records  will >be a particular target. > I >Having a system on software/hardware maintenance doesn't help very much   when it I >comes to security. Security issues are generally handled outside of such K >support contracts. Once a vulnerablity becomes known it is in the vendors   bestK >interest to provide a fix for all vulnerable systems irrespective of their L >support contract status. It's possible that if you have a support contract  you H >may get a heads up from the vendor before you hear about it from other  sources.E >However knowing about the vulnerability and fix is only half of the  	 solution. L >The other half is being able to apply the patches. Unfortunately with some  OSs K >the frequency of security problems means that it is politically impossible K >to apply the patches in a timely fashion - you would be taking the system   down >every few days.  A SIGH!  How did the vendor _find out_ about problems?  Within DEC, 3 the mechanism was through the support organization.   B You should find out how those SPRs were handled in the olden days.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:15:29 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly + Message-ID: <b83f9h$54a$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   E In article <b83agv$cbm$4@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: , >In article <b810ju$ptq$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>,0 >   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote:G >>In article <b80in2$rgo$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: / >>>In article <3EA365D0.3090804@tsoft-inc.com>, / >>>   David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  >>>>J. Clarke wrote: >>>>= >>>>> In article <00A1BAF7.D4960A23@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,  , >>>>> winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU says... >>>>K >>>>>>>There are problems with Windows, but blame it for what it does, not   >for  - >>>>>>>what applications running under it do.  >>>>>>> L >>>>>>I blame Microsoft in general, but Windows both has vulnerabilities of  >>>its> >>>>>>own and enables vulnerabilities in application software. >>>>>> >>>>> E >>>>> Every OS has vulnerabilities.  If you think they don't you are  
 >deluding  >>>>> yourself.  >>>> >>>>I >>>>As for that, please direct me to any vulnerabilities in VMS.  People   >keep ? >>>>claiming that every OS has problems, but when asked, never   >>>>seem able to point to  >>>>any for VMS. >>> B >>>Well, it helped to have the OS run on college computers who had? >>>maintenance service contracts.  Those college critters were  C >>>real good at finding all the little cracks in the security wall.  >>> C >>>Unfortunately, that aspect of the computing doesn't happen since > >>>everybody has their own system and don't have the challenge& >>>of defying an Establishment system. >>>  >>K >>Even in Universities where teaching of computing is decentralised so each J >>school has their own systems there will still be centralised systems for >>Administration.0I >>For that matter the individual department/systems whether VMS, Unix or e >WindowsH >>fileservers, compute servers, mail servers etc will still be a target. >>K >>The administrative systems particularly those containing student records   >wills >>be a particular target.e >>J >>Having a system on software/hardware maintenance doesn't help very much  >when itJ >>comes to security. Security issues are generally handled outside of suchL >>support contracts. Once a vulnerablity becomes known it is in the vendors  >bestuL >>interest to provide a fix for all vulnerable systems irrespective of theirM >>support contract status. It's possible that if you have a support contract   >youI >>may get a heads up from the vendor before you hear about it from other s	 >sources.nF >>However knowing about the vulnerability and fix is only half of the 
 >solution.M >>The other half is being able to apply the patches. Unfortunately with some c >OSsL >>the frequency of security problems means that it is politically impossibleL >>to apply the patches in a timely fashion - you would be taking the system  >down  >>every few days.a >dB >SIGH!  How did the vendor _find out_ about problems?  Within DEC,4 >the mechanism was through the support organization. >sC >You should find out how those SPRs were handled in the olden days.A >   L Although people with support contracts would report problems through the SPRK mechanism I am pretty sure that DEC would treat any report of of a securityAL problem as a serious issue however it was reported. The fact that the personM who reports a problem doesn't have a support contract should be irrelevent ifn it is a security problem.S  P Nowadays I would hope that a report of a security vulnerability from a hobbyist L would be treated just as seriously by HP as a report of a vulnerability from' a customer with a maintenance contract.g  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University d   >/BAH9 > ( >Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.   ------------------------------  ! Date: Tue, 22 Apr 03 13:56:57 GMTa From: jmfbahciv@aol.comnQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyo+ Message-ID: <b83obt$fmn$2@bob.news.rcn.net>-  + In article <b83f9h$54a$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>,2/    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote:cF >In article <b83agv$cbm$4@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:- >>In article <b810ju$ptq$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>,m1 >>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote:dH >>>In article <b80in2$rgo$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:0 >>>>In article <3EA365D0.3090804@tsoft-inc.com>,0 >>>>   David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: >>>>>J. Clarke wrote:  >>>>> > >>>>>> In article <00A1BAF7.D4960A23@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, - >>>>>> winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU says...f >>>>>nL >>>>>>>>There are problems with Windows, but blame it for what it does, not  >>for . >>>>>>>>what applications running under it do. >>>>>>>>J >>>>>>>I blame Microsoft in general, but Windows both has vulnerabilities  of s >>>>itse? >>>>>>>own and enables vulnerabilities in application software.r >>>>>>>S >>>>>> .F >>>>>> Every OS has vulnerabilities.  If you think they don't you are  >>deluding t >>>>>> yourself. >>>>>  >>>>>rJ >>>>>As for that, please direct me to any vulnerabilities in VMS.  People  >>keep y@ >>>>>claiming that every OS has problems, but when asked, never  >>>>>seem able to point to a >>>>>any for VMS.  >>>>C >>>>Well, it helped to have the OS run on college computers who had @ >>>>maintenance service contracts.  Those college critters were D >>>>real good at finding all the little cracks in the security wall. >>>>D >>>>Unfortunately, that aspect of the computing doesn't happen since? >>>>everybody has their own system and don't have the challengea' >>>>of defying an Establishment system.  >>>> >>>kH >>>Even in Universities where teaching of computing is decentralised so  eachK >>>school has their own systems there will still be centralised systems forn >>>Administration.J >>>For that matter the individual department/systems whether VMS, Unix or 	 >>WindowstI >>>fileservers, compute servers, mail servers etc will still be a target.  >>>tL >>>The administrative systems particularly those containing student records  >>will >>>be a particular target. >>>aK >>>Having a system on software/hardware maintenance doesn't help very much n	 >>when it K >>>comes to security. Security issues are generally handled outside of such E >>>support contracts. Once a vulnerablity becomes known it is in the   vendors  >>bestH >>>interest to provide a fix for all vulnerable systems irrespective of  theirrE >>>support contract status. It's possible that if you have a support n	 contract s >>you J >>>may get a heads up from the vendor before you hear about it from other 
 >>sources.G >>>However knowing about the vulnerability and fix is only half of the   >>solution.-I >>>The other half is being able to apply the patches. Unfortunately with   some t >>OSsHC >>>the frequency of security problems means that it is politically -
 impossibleF >>>to apply the patches in a timely fashion - you would be taking the  system   >>down >>>every few days. >>C >>SIGH!  How did the vendor _find out_ about problems?  Within DEC,n5 >>the mechanism was through the support organization.t >>D >>You should find out how those SPRs were handled in the olden days. >> >uJ >Although people with support contracts would report problems through the  SPRiD >mechanism I am pretty sure that DEC would treat any report of of a  security4 >problem as a serious issue however it was reported.   Do you have wax in your eyes?-   > .. The fact that the personeL >who reports a problem doesn't have a support contract should be irrelevent  if >it is a security problem.  A Now think about how somebody, who didn't have a support contract,c> got that information to the _appropriate_ people.  If you toldA a salesman, consider the info to be written to NUL:.  If you toldI@ a VMS person about a TOPS-10 security problem, consider yourself- to be forever on a "do not talk to" hit list.   B Nowadays, people seem to think that sending an email will transfer; the information.  THINK AGAIN.  How do you ensure that thisw< important information gets to the disk of the person who is  responsible for that code. m  2 There are some things that cannot be computerized.   >EH >Nowadays I would hope that a report of a security vulnerability from a 	 hobbyist .I >would be treated just as seriously by HP as a report of a vulnerability   from( >a customer with a maintenance contract.  ? Dreeammmm, dream, dream, dream, dream.  You gotta get the info n! into the ear of the right person.7   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:09:36 -0400.0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyO/ Message-ID: <3EA5774A.D3147273@vl.videotron.ca>    David Webb wrote: N > problem as a serious issue however it was reported. The fact that the personO > who reports a problem doesn't have a support contract should be irrelevent if  > it is a security problem.r  H So how/where do I send the description of the XDM security problem ? (no< auditing of invalid attempts, no breaking detection/evasion)   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 04:20:26 -0700( From: univms@bigfoot.com (Hamlyn Mootoo)7 Subject: Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and cons2= Message-ID: <9cf7e06d.0304220320.3cb678ff@posting.google.com>e  j sellis@legato.com (Shaun Ellis) wrote in message news:<1faa9425.0304211136.10426b62@posting.google.com>..." >I even worked for the SLS and ABSH > engineering teams for a while. I left Digital/Compaq to join Legato in > 1999 after 14 1/2 years. > 	 > regards  >  > Shaunl  : So your in sales now?  Was it easy to make the transition?   HM   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:30:11 +0100 (MET)t9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>S3 Subject: Re: Mirroring versus Shadowing - any diff?l; Message-ID: <01KV19723ZKIAKTJN8@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  H > shadowing has an advantage if there are multiple controllers involved.F > by putting shadow set members on different controllers you avoid theF > issue of controller failure causing an outage, where mirror sets areC > on the same controller. also shadow members can be dismounted for " > backup while mirror sets cannot.  C Of course, one can put them on different NODES as well, perhaps in l different buildings.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:06:38 +0200 < From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Portal Press Release4 Message-ID: <b830ne$5nle4$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:: > Put the hobbyst site under responsability of Ken Farmer!/ > He knows how to develop an OpenVMS homepage !0 >   > www.openvms.org/openvmshobbyst   All I get under that URL isc  I "The page you requested either doesn't exist, has been moved or has been n renamed. [...]"s   ???    cu,S   Martin -- GA   OpenVMS DCL        | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmerl.                      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA   The Original .COM  |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/C5                      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.del   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:44:57 GMTt4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Portal Press Release- Message-ID: <ZW9pa.326786$Zo.68962@sccrnsc03>l  s In article <b830ne$5nle4$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>, "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> writes:y >Fabio Cardoso wrote: ; >> Put the hobbyst site under responsability of Ken Farmer!c0 >> He knows how to develop an OpenVMS homepage ! >>  ! >> www.openvms.org/openvmshobbystt!                           ^^^^^^^2 misspelled	:-)   <snip>  A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 07:15:55 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Portal Press Release3 Message-ID: <1BTK7Le8nGA0@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  s In article <b830ne$5nle4$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>, "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> writes:h > Fabio Cardoso wrote:; >> Put the hobbyst site under responsability of Ken Farmer!i0 >> He knows how to develop an OpenVMS homepage !  D I find that "seen" link coloring still does not work on openvms.org.+ Ken was aware of that issue last September.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:06:02 GMT,/ From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.openvms.org>e2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Portal Press Release> Message-ID: <uTcpa.34918$ij4.2184187@twister.southeast.rr.com>  " I like it the way I have it Larry.  L But...I went ahead and added it to the stylesheet.  Links should turn purple< now after being clicked on.  Would you prefer another color?   -- Kenneth Farmer <>< http://www.OpenVMS.org    : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:1BTK7Le8nGA0@eisner.encompasserve.org...nJ > In article <b830ne$5nle4$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>, "Martin Vorlaender"* <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> writes: > > Fabio Cardoso wrote:= > >> Put the hobbyst site under responsability of Ken Farmer!o2 > >> He knows how to develop an OpenVMS homepage ! >IF > I find that "seen" link coloring still does not work on openvms.org.- > Ken was aware of that issue last September.k   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 07:36:36 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s< Subject: Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments3 Message-ID: <jlOPecdwMcpi@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  X In article <1030421215959.2426B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: > ' > Excuse me, I must have missed it whensB > Bush/Chaney/Rumsfeld/Ashcroft/Wolfowitz/etc. were prevented fromB > voicing their views.  When did this happen?  I think it would be@ > big news and on all the TV stations and in all the newspapers.F > I just saw Rumsfeld on CNN the other day, and he didn't say anything8 > about it.  You would think he would have mentioned it. >   E    Yep.  And they can get fired for it, provided enough Americans areq7    paying attention next time they step into the polls.>  G    Agnew and others have proven that these high officials can get firedLB    for it even without an election.  Only Bush has to actually getF    caught doing something stupid to get fired in the middle of a term.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:34:46 -0400l2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>< Subject: Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments4 Message-ID: <20030422133446.GC7710@eisenschmidt.org>  M Rumor has it that Bob Koehler (koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org) said:hZ > In article <1030421215959.2426B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: > > ) > > Excuse me, I must have missed it whentD > > Bush/Chaney/Rumsfeld/Ashcroft/Wolfowitz/etc. were prevented fromD > > voicing their views.  When did this happen?  I think it would beB > > big news and on all the TV stations and in all the newspapers.H > > I just saw Rumsfeld on CNN the other day, and he didn't say anything: > > about it.  You would think he would have mentioned it. > >  > G >    Yep.  And they can get fired for it, provided enough Americans aret9 >    paying attention next time they step into the polls.e > I >    Agnew and others have proven that these high officials can get fired.D >    for it even without an election.  Only Bush has to actually getH >    caught doing something stupid to get fired in the middle of a term.  E Press secretaries get fired all the time. There were rumblings around$D DC for a while that Colin Powel was going to be a free agent shortly? before Iraq (and speculation is that he will not return if thisl administration re-ups).   F But that's politics, which shouldn't have anything to do with a grant.  F Speaking of DC (since no one wants to talk about VMS), how about those	 Capitals?i   --  / John W. Eisenschmidt (jweisen@eisenschmidt.org)U.   http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/pgp.html  M "People are at their ugliest when they're working out their two week notice."e   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 08:32:48 -0700( From: davef@tsoft-inc.com (David Froble)< Subject: Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments= Message-ID: <95695b7c.0304220732.42c4abe9@posting.google.com>   T Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message news:<3EA3C84A.9040307@vajhoej.dk>... > David Froble wrote:eJ > >  From what I read, the DARPA financed EVENT was going to be used as a  > > forum to piss on the DOD.m >  iL >  > Now, you can have a contract, and perform according to the terms of the+ >  > contract, and still say what you want.5 >  >7 >  > You can have a grant, and still say what you want.o >  >L >  > But you sure cannot expect any entity to FINANCE an event at which they >  > will be trashed!o >  > ???? >  > What did you read ?b > 4 > I read that the person in question wrote something5 > in a canadian newspaper about what he thougth abouts > US policy. > 2 > And that he was funded to improve *BSD security. >  > ARne     Bill Todd wrote:    D From what I read, the DARPA financed EVENT was going to be used as a   forum to   piss on the DOD.    D If there's real evidence that that was planned I'd consider changing my> opinion:  got a solid reference?  All I read was that it was a get-togetherD to brain-storm OpenBSD security improvements - though of course when peopleC gather together in that kind of intense round-the-clock setting all  sorts of9 extraneous personal stuff may creep in from time to time.r    D Ok, took a while, and upon re-reading it wasn't quite exactly what I% remembered reading, but rather close.u  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9030  B BITING THE HAND that feeds you can be stupid sometimes. EspeciallyC when that hand is feeding you enough money to work from home at thelC thing you've always wanted to do. Just a short while ago we wrote aiC story about how Theo de Raadt, founder of OpenBSD, got a $2 million-D grant  from the US Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)D that meant he and several other OpenBSD folk could afford to work onC the project full time. Now part of that funding has been withdrawn.e  D It's here that we get to the hand biting time. de Raadt decided thatD it would be a good idea to use the publicity surrounding the deal toE condemn the war in Iraq. Perhaps logic outside of what happens insideb) the OpenBSD kernel isn't his strong suit.r  D DARPA, being a branch of the US military, was none too impressed. ItE decided that some tighter controls were needed. It had a look at whatg? was going on and has effectively pulled the plug on the OpenBSDl( Hackathon due to take place on 8-20 May.    ( "use the publicity surrounding the deal"  F Ok, not what I remembered, but still a clear indication to allow DARPAC to fund him spreading his personal opinion.  We are all entitled tot@ our opinions, but we are not entitled to have them advertized by4 others, most specifically those the opinions oppose.  
 Close enough?i   The real issue:u  F  So here's the low down. If you're a flag waving believer that the warF was right, you can laugh at de Raadt for being so foolish. If you're aC peacenik programmer with some cash to spare, you can keep an eye onT/ OpenBSD.org for the fundraiser when it happens.   = It's not the funding cut, or why, but people against the IraqeC operation using any straw they can grasp to condemn said operation.   B It's interesting.  In researching the above I pulled up the entireC thread from GOOGLE.  There are more posts there than provided by mys: ISP.  Wonder how many times I don't get "the whole story".  D Seems more than a few people think that this was just one individualD speaking his mind and getting dumped on for doing so.  That would beD wrong.  I also don't know where the second paragraph in the InquirerF piece came from, so it's probably still open as to whether it was justB a single individual, or a plan to use DARPA (DOD) money to financeD publicity attacking DOD.  But if the Inquirer info is accurate, then? asking DOD to finance this publicity goes far beyond freedom ofm speach.d   Dave     -- c4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:23:28 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>< Subject: Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments) Message-ID: <3EA57A90.5070506@vajhoej.dk>s   David Froble wrote:iV > Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message news:<3EA3C84A.9040307@vajhoej.dk>... >>David Froble wrote:.I >>> From what I read, the DARPA financed EVENT was going to be used as a s >>>forum to piss on the DOD.    L >> > But you sure cannot expect any entity to FINANCE an event at which they >> > will be trashed!u     >>What did you read ?d >>4 >>I read that the person in question wrote something5 >>in a canadian newspaper about what he thougth aboute >>US policy. >>2 >>And that he was funded to improve *BSD security.    F > Ok, took a while, and upon re-reading it wasn't quite exactly what I' > remembered reading, but rather close.  > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9030  1 I can not see anything in that article indicatingI5 that the event should have been used to discuss Iraq.   6 Based on other sources it appeared that the "trashing"5 had already been done, that it was done in a canadiana= newspaper (and I conclude that it was not DoD financed, since 3 I do not belive DoD published canadian newspapers).e   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:01:00 -0700.  From: Jon <jsmyth69@hotmail.com>4 Subject: Restore of older version from newer version8 Message-ID: <kmpaav4qh23tu374nvmoojvcdpfip474oe@4ax.com>   Hi,e  D  Got a situation where we've had to restore a VMS V7.2 bootable diskD from a VMS V7.3 CD and it won't boot.  It does if we restore it from< the V7.2 CD.  Anyone have any ideas about what is being done incorrectly?  Thanks!    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:20:29 +0200j< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>& Subject: Re: Scaling of HELP libraries4 Message-ID: <b831hc$5n710$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   JF Mezei wrote:,@ > I have tasked myself to produce a help library (and bookreader@ > version) of some 600 callable routines split in a few classes. >  > I have a few questions:- > D > Currently, I am looking at using VAX Document to produce both. But  > decision not written in stone. > F > I'd like to make something which is easy/quick to use.  So I have toG > decide between a help file that has a single layer with 600 top level,
 > entries  >  > HELP/LIBRARY=XXX routine  D ...which is quick if you know the routine name, but is a dog to list. the routines (cf. $HELP CC Run-time_functions)    > versus > " > HELP/LIBRARY=xxx chapter routine  F which is better, IMHO, *if* the chapters/classes are self-explanatory.   D > Or should I go with totally different libraries and books for each > chapter ?   * I would keep them together in one library.  eC > Also, is there a way to have a separate .HLB somewhat "installed"a) > into the HELPLIB.HLB so that I can just  > F > $HELP chapter routine  and it will automatically fetch the "routine"( > in the appropiate separate .HLB file ?   Dunno.  E You can, however, point the logicals HLP$LIBRARY, HLP$LIBRARY_1, etc.e? to .HLB files, and the filenames will appear in regular help asaE @filename. So it would be callable as $HELP @yourfile chapter routines1 This is documented under $HELP HELP /USERLIBRARY.n  ? > The thing is that for the bookreader version, there are linksmF > (hotspots). For instance, while reading the section on a routine, itB > may point to a structure that is defined/explained elsewhere, soC > keeping all those in the same book would allow this, splitting it ? > into different books would make it impossible (or very hard).s   I'm with you on that one.b   cu,r   Martin -- nA    OpenVMS @ 25      | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmern.                      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deE    Still exceeding   |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/t5    expectations      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 07:57:37 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler):& Subject: Re: Scaling of HELP libraries3 Message-ID: <2Gpur6X9iA1F@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  b In article <3EA4C8AF.99C18122@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:L > I have tasked myself to produce a help library (and bookreader version) of4 > some 600 callable routines split in a few classes. > " > HELP/LIBRARY=xxx chapter routine  G    If you're thinking to emulate HELP cc run-time_functions fopen (for rF    example), then yes, I would go with chapter and routine style, more#    organization is probably better.   N > Or should I go with totally different libraries and books for each chapter ?  <    IMHO, the chapters in the same library is more organized.  L > Also, is there a way to have a separate .HLB somewhat "installed" into the! > HELPLIB.HLB so that I can just    E    Define HLP$LIBRARY, HLP$LIBRARY_1, ... to point to the library(s). !    (c.f. help help /userlibrary)..   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 10:52:06 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)oL Subject: Re: Seen Link Coloring (was: OpenVMS Hobbyist Portal Press Release)3 Message-ID: <N9QFX48X1Ugv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <uTcpa.34918$ij4.2184187@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.openvms.org> writes:  < > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:1BTK7Le8nGA0@eisner.encompasserve.org...oK >> In article <b830ne$5nle4$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>, "Martin Vorlaender"C, > <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> writes: >> > Fabio Cardoso wrote:-> >> >> Put the hobbyst site under responsability of Ken Farmer!3 >> >> He knows how to develop an OpenVMS homepage !O >>G >> I find that "seen" link coloring still does not work on openvms.org.a. >> Ken was aware of that issue last September.  $ > I like it the way I have it Larry. > N > But...I went ahead and added it to the stylesheet.  Links should turn purple> > now after being clicked on.  Would you prefer another color?  F For me the critical issue is that seen links have a color as differentD as possible from unseen links.  As of right now, clicking on a link,D clicking on Back then clicking on Refresh shows the clicked link the% same color (blue) as the other links.a  + Contrast the behavior (not the content) of:s   	http://www.openvms.org/ to 	http://www.theregister.co.uk/  < in this regard.  I use Netscape Communicator 4.75-20000815 .   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:07:42 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>$ Subject: Re: Strange SYS$ENQ problem4 Message-ID: <b830p5$1rs$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Syltrem wrote: >  >>>The basic subroutine does aG >>>         STATUS = SYS$ENQW(,LKMODE BY VALUE, CTRL_LKSB(0%) BY REF, &SD >>>                           FLAG BY VALUE, TEMPLOCK BY DESC,,,,,,) >>>among other things.J >>>The result of the call is 1 (success) and the status in lksb is also 1.  + What values are in the various parameters ? 1 Are you interfering with Powerhouse's own locks ?07 Are things being passed from Quick to basic correctly ?e   Chriss   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:13:49 -0400h* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: Strange SYS$ENQ problem4 Message-ID: <J0dpa.5065$945.14762@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  ( I tried to debug this again this morning1 For some reason, all things run well this morninga  H A number of patches (I don't have the list with me, someone else did theE work) have been installed and the systems have been rebooted over thee weekend.) This case may be classified as a mystery. 7 I'll see if further testing uncovers the problem again.r   --   OpenVMS 7.2-1, Oracle 8.1.6.0a   SyltremoI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)e8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  G "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> a crit dans le message de / news: b830p5$1rs$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...g > Syltrem wrote: > >e  > >>>The basic subroutine does aI > >>>         STATUS = SYS$ENQW(,LKMODE BY VALUE, CTRL_LKSB(0%) BY REF, &iF > >>>                           FLAG BY VALUE, TEMPLOCK BY DESC,,,,,,) > >>>among other things.L > >>>The result of the call is 1 (success) and the status in lksb is also 1. > - > What values are in the various parameters ??3 > Are you interfering with Powerhouse's own locks ? 9 > Are things being passed from Quick to basic correctly ?o >  > Christ >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:36:42 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: system tools cd mount problem4 Message-ID: <Kx4pa.170107$UR.1615068@news.chello.at>  e In article <ea44f5a1.0304171146.6adb364a@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes:dB >When I try to mount the system tools CD (September 1999) I get a: >a% >MOUNT-F-NONEXPR, nonexistent process3 >8* >error messsage and the CD is not mounted. >oE >I tried two different Compaq System Tools CDs from quarterly updatesF >and7 >got the same message.  I mount other CD with problems.A >R! >Any ideas why this is happening?r  0 No. Have you also tried to MOUNT/OVER=SEC them ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERi% Network and OpenVMS system specialistI E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 07:07:36 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: system tools cd mount problem3 Message-ID: <Crc4CuHh3wMn@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  m In article <Kx4pa.170107$UR.1615068@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: g > In article <ea44f5a1.0304171146.6adb364a@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes:aC >>When I try to mount the system tools CD (September 1999) I get a:o >>& >>MOUNT-F-NONEXPR, nonexistent process >>+ >>error messsage and the CD is not mounted.  >>F >>I tried two different Compaq System Tools CDs from quarterly updates >>and 8 >>got the same message.  I mount other CD with problems. >>" >>Any ideas why this is happening? > 2 > No. Have you also tried to MOUNT/OVER=SEC them ?  K Have you used the Accounting command to look for recent process termination  codes ?    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:56:51 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>g/ Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masqueradingy; Message-ID: <01KV17W5UNGIAKTJN8@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r  L > > > This works no problem on mine (firmware 1.2 Rel 05). On the "Advanced"0 > > > tab "Port Forwarding", add a custom entry: > > > Q > > > X11 6000/TCP/6000/192.168.1.100(or whatever your VMS box is getting as IP).n > > . > > Been there, done that, still doesn't work. > ; > My understanding is plausible in theory and works for me t   I agree.   > (however givenE > the state of my failing memory I would not bet on anything) ... theeI > external box wishes to establish a connection to your home OpenVMS box.o   Right.  D > The Linksys has an established IP/Hardware address with your ISP.    Right.   > ItG > would have no idea which computer on your internal network to connectyD > to for out of the blue requests unless you tell it - "I don't know> > how to do FTP" "what is X11?" - "why am I being asked this?"  B I told it to forward TCP packets for ports 6000-6063 to a certain  address.  E > Try a telnet first to get X11 authentication/$ set display problemsu > out of the way:s  F Not sure what you mean here.  Telnet, HTTP, FTP, SMTP etc all work in  both directions.   > Username:  > ? > If this works, there may be a problem with your X11 settings.m   This works.2  A > This is weird as you have mentioned you have other routers that-( > are on the *same* network/environment?  H Right.  Not at the same time, though.  I tried one router, worked fine, / another, worked fine, the Linksys, didn't work.i  6 > It works a treat for me. If all else fails, there is; > a "Restore Factory Defaults" under the "Password" tab - In1 > *assume* this means start again out of the box.i  H Yes.  However, this is a pain since I then have to re-set the password, H username etc on the Linksys.  Due to bad HTML or browsers which are too E old or both, I haven't found a browser which will run on the VMS box yB which can update the main Linksys page (the other pages are not a F problem).  Thus, I have to bend over backwards.  However, "out of the I box" incoming X connections don't work anyway, so I don't really see the l point of this.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:12:21 +0200>( From: "Philip Lewis" <philip@nospam.com>; Subject: Re: Useless hard disk RZ29B-W information - Jensen , Message-ID: <b82mg7$ooa$1@news.cybercity.dk>   John Forkosh wrote:e) > Philip Lewis <philip@nospam.com> wrote:l >> Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:. >>> "Philip Lewis" <philip@nospam.com> writes:, >>>> For any budding Jensen users out there. >>>>> >>>> I tried to put an RZ29B-W with an an adapter on the 1742A >>>> controller in myeE >>>> Jensen (the only device on the cable).  It was not recognised by D >>>> the firmware/card/whatever using show SHOW DEV, even though the >>>> drive made all H >>>> the right sounds while the machine went through self test.  I guess >>>> itnD >>>> cannot deal with the wide to narrow conversion and termination. >>>> Too bad, asE >>>> I intended to install VMS on that disk, since the 2.1GB died andt >>>> the 1GB$ >>>> disks are too small these days. >>> E >>> Isn't there a narrow version of this drive (RZ29B-VA?).  We had aW >>> Jensen withv. >>> that version of the drive, with no issues. >>>a >rG >> Or maybe it is the RZ29B-E which I think is without the storageworkse
 >> packaging.w >sF >>> If that drive will work, ask Dave Turner at hpaq.net/islandco.com. >>> Maybe he
 >>> has some.y >>>  >w >> I Have dropped him an email.r > 7 > If you have no philosophical objection, try eBay too.o; > You can typically find them real cheap.  And, by the way,r5 > in addition to searching on rz29* remember that theb8 > Seagate designation for these drives is st15150n (that5 > final "n" for the "narrow" 50-pin variety).  You'll 9 > find even more of them as st15150n's, and they're oftena& > even cheaper than "labelled" rz29's. > 4 > Also, by the way, very nice documentation is still > provided by Seagate at< >      www.seagate.com/support/disc/specs/scsi/st15150n.html  L Will the standard Seagate model work as a boot disk ?  I seem to recall thatB "standard" SCSI disks have some different bits set that makes themL unsuitable for VMS boot disks.  The IBM 0551 0662 disks I remember needed to be "adjusted" as I recall.   p.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:46:08 +0000 (UTC)l- From: John Forkosh <forkosh@panix3.panix.com>l; Subject: Re: Useless hard disk RZ29B-W information - Jensend, Message-ID: <b83h30$k8s$1@reader1.panix.com>  ' Philip Lewis <philip@nospam.com> wrote:o : John Forkosh wrote:r+ : > Philip Lewis <philip@nospam.com> wrote:t  : >> Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:0 : >>> "Philip Lewis" <philip@nospam.com> writes: : >>>>@ : >>>> I tried to put an RZ29B-W with an an adapter on the 1742A> : >>>> controller in my Jensen (the only device on the cable).% : >>>> It was not recognised <<snip>>P : >>>eE : >>> Isn't there a narrow version of this drive (RZ29B-VA?) <<snip>>  : >iH : >>> If that drive will work, ask Dave Turner at hpaq.net/islandco.com. : >>> Maybe he has some. : >r! : >> I Have dropped him an email.- : >-9 : > If you have no philosophical objection, try eBay too.@= : > You can typically find them real cheap.  And, by the way,f7 : > in addition to searching on rz29* remember that theo: : > Seagate designation for these drives is st15150n (that7 : > final "n" for the "narrow" 50-pin variety).  You'llI; : > find even more of them as st15150n's, and they're oftenw( : > even cheaper than "labelled" rz29's. : >c6 : > Also, by the way, very nice documentation is still : > provided by Seagate at> : >      www.seagate.com/support/disc/specs/scsi/st15150n.html  H : Will the standard Seagate model work as a boot disk?  I seem to recallI : that "standard" SCSI disks have some different bits set that makes themAD : unsuitable for VMS boot disks.  The IBM 0551 0662 disks I remember& : needed to be "adjusted" as I recall.  = They've booted okay for me on VAXstation 4000/60's and /90's,>A both internally and from external enclosures.  Only "adjustments"e> I ever made were, of course, jumpers on the two jumper blocks,5 which are very well documented on Seagate site above. F      I've used about two dozen of the "standard Seagate's" (all boughtD off eBay) with no problems, but can't tell you for sure that there'sA no potential problem, especially on hardware besides VAXstations.n: Maybe Dave, or somebody else more knowledgeable about this+ than I am, can answer more authoritatively.  -- s> John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:49:45 +0000 (UTC)o. From: John Forkosh <john@SeeSigForAddress.com>; Subject: Re: Useless hard disk RZ29B-W information - Jensen , Message-ID: <b83h9p$k8s$2@reader1.panix.com>  . John Forkosh <forkosh@panix3.panix.com> wrote: <<snip>>1 : Maybe Dave, or somebody else more knowledgeablea
        ^^^^^^ / Sorry, I meant Hoff Hoffman, who seemed to knowr9 a lot about this in preceding follow-up to your question.o --  > John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 07:42:34 -0700% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams)> Subject: VMS721_SYS_DB v1.0?= Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0304220642.36902b79@posting.google.com>s  - The COMPAQ ANALYZE 2.1 release notes say thatd  0 VMS721_SYS_DB V1.0 is a pre-requisite for 7.2-1.  ? But I can't find it anywhere.  I have searched the ECOs and thep" web.  I think this must be a typo.   Anyone ever heard of this?   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 07:43:19 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i> Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?3 Message-ID: <K$YaaVxR9+PL@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  [ In article <3EA49128.5EBAB12E@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e  J > Meanwhile, I believe VAXman has something that he can maybe port to I64, > when that finally appears.  H    We had soemthing years ago that relied on the lib$initialze PSECT and=    the layout of the image header as defined in $IHDDEF, etc.u  E    I wonder with the new image format on IA64 if it would still work. A    Will there be a (source level) compatable image header, and a >    lib$intiialize PSECT?   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 17:41:53 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>X Subject: [OT] News Propogation (was Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments)6 Message-ID: <20030422174153.10703.qmail@gacracker.org>  9 On 22 Apr 2003, davef@tsoft-inc.com (David Froble) wrote:w  C >It's interesting.  In researching the above I pulled up the entireoD >thread from GOOGLE.  There are more posts there than provided by my; >ISP.  Wonder how many times I don't get "the whole story".u  # Hmm, I have a different story here.f  H Google shows a total of 44 posts split into 2 threads. (Other posts will& show up, but Google lags by >2 hours.)  K My ISP's news server shows a total of 47 posts, again split into 2 threads.oJ This matches with what News<DOT>CIS<DOT>DFN<DOT>de reports. If your ISP is% that bad, DFN give out free accounts.      Doc. -- l6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netsK                                                    http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.222 ************************