1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 23 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 223       Contents: A large HD in a MicroVAX...  RE: A large HD in a MicroVAX...  Re: A large HD in a MicroVAX...  Re: A large HD in a MicroVAX... B Re: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into clusterB Re: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into clusterB Re: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into cluster Re: BA356 woes' Call for Papers - The New HP World 2003 + Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments ' Re: Finding CPU ID on Jensen without OS ' Re: Finding CPU ID on Jensen without OS 0 Re: Heads Up - OpenVMS Progress Update - ItaniumD Re: HELP NEEDED - printing from a VAX to a Linux PC printer on a LAN Re: HTML favourite editor? Re: HTML favourite editor? RE: HTML favourite editor? Re: HTML favourite editor? RE: HTML favourite editor?H Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly
 indexf.sys RE: indexf.sys Re: indexf.sys Re: indexf.sys Re: indexf.sys Re: indexf.sys Re: indexf.sys Re: indexf.sys Re: indexf.sys Re: indexf.sys4 Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!8 Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!! Job Opportunity - Toronto, Canada % Re: Job Opportunity - Toronto, Canada % Re: Job Opportunity - Toronto, Canada % Re: Job Opportunity - Toronto, Canada . Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and cons Looking for vdump info* Re: Mirroring versus Shadowing - any diff?* Re: Mirroring versus Shadowing - any diff? Re: Mystery SBB  Re: Mystery SBB  Re: Mystery SBB  Re: Mystery SBB  Re: Mystery SBB  Netbackup x OpenVMS questions ?  OT: Opteron officially launched 3 Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments 3 Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments 3 Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments 3 Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments 3 Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments 3 Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments / Re: Restore of older version from newer version 2 Re: Useless hard disk RZ29B-W information - Jensen [HELP WANTED] cpu 21066(a)5 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 11:59:54 -0700- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) $ Subject: A large HD in a MicroVAX...< Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0304221059.aa90f10@posting.google.com>  F In my job Im using a MicroVAX 3100-98 (Personal Workstation). In thisB machine I have 60 GB in SCSI HDs. Id like install a 80 GB HD in  this machine. Its possible ? C (I need restore a lot of *.RDB files from DAT tapes, and Im tired   doing this massive task !)H Which suggestion could you give-me to avoid restore constantly RDB files, from old DAT tapes ? Im using VAX/VMX 5.5-2 Thanks in advance...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:18:09 -0400 ! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> ( Subject: RE: A large HD in a MicroVAX...K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BEF@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   6 > From: Shiva MahaDeva [mailto:contracer11@uol.com.br]' > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:00 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & > Subject: A large HD in a MicroVAX... >=20 >=20G > In my job I=B4m using a MicroVAX 3100-98 (Personal Workstation). In =  thisI > machine I have 60 GB in SCSI HD=B4s. I=B4d like install a 80 GB HD in =   ! > this machine. It=B4s possible ? I > (I need restore a lot of *.RDB files from DAT tapes, and I=B4m tired=20  > doing this massive task !)8 > Which suggestion could you give-me to avoid restore=20 > constantly RDB files0 > from old DAT tapes ? I=B4m using VAX/VMX 5.5-2 > Thanks in advance... >=20 >   A 5.5-2 has a volume size limitation of slightly more than 8 GB.=20    See the FAQ, Section FILE5.   I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=     William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annex . 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874 =20> 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:04:55 +0200 ( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>( Subject: Re: A large HD in a MicroVAX...5 Message-ID: <b8479c$64hc4$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   < "Shiva MahaDeva" <contracer11@uol.com.br> schreef in bericht6 news:ddf392ea.0304221059.aa90f10@posting.google.com...H > In my job Im using a MicroVAX 3100-98 (Personal Workstation). In thisC > machine I have 60 GB in SCSI HDs. Id like install a 80 GB HD in  > this machine. Its possible ? D > (I need restore a lot of *.RDB files from DAT tapes, and Im tired > doing this massive task !)J > Which suggestion could you give-me to avoid restore constantly RDB files. > from old DAT tapes ? Im using VAX/VMX 5.5-2 > Thanks in advance...  K The disk size depends on the VMS version you're running. Early model 3100's D had a limitation for the system disk but your -98 does not have thatJ problem. V5.5-2 has little support for large disks, see the VMS FAQ on the+ new site Sue Skonetski mentioned yesterday.   I The alternative for DAT is a DLT drive I guess. But a large disk would do  too.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:01:03 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: A large HD in a MicroVAX.../ Message-ID: <3EA59F70.78B62617@vl.videotron.ca>    Shiva MahaDeva wrote: C > machine I have 60 GB in SCSI HDs. Id like install a 80 GB HD in  ... . > from old DAT tapes ? Im using VAX/VMX 5.5-2  L 1-I am not sure that 5.5-2 is able to handle such large drives. Check GoogleM archives (or someone else can chime in). You may have gotten away with a 60gb Q drive in the past if you didn't need to write to any area beyond a certain limit.   N 2-Reliability of the drive may be a factor if the fans in the computer are notM sufficient to keep the unit cool enough. (the faster they spin, the more heat  they generate).    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:04:36 GMT   From: trothf <trothf@boeing.com>K Subject: Re: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into cluster * Message-ID: <3EA5BC74.7A49AA51@boeing.com>  H Thanks, Tom, forgot to mention we specifically set everything to 100MBit% full duplex, >>>set ewa0_mode FastFD.    Tom Linden wrote:  > < > I think you also need to set a console  variable like ewa0 > to auto-negotiate  >  > >-----Original Message----- J > >From: Boeing NNTP News Access [mailto:nntp@news.boeing.com]On Behalf Of	 > >trothf ( > >Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:07 AM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComJ > >Subject: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into cluster > >  > > J > >We installed a 10/100 DE500 card so we could run 100Mbit (the quickspecA > >says the onboard card can only run 10Mbit).  You have to tweek J > >bootdef_dev  and it starts to boot into the cluster again, but it hangsI > >after the network device select.  I do get 2 boot load hit messages on I > >the server, but it's not getting beyond that.  I also removed the node H > >from the cluster and readded it with cluster_config in case there wasG > >some residual cluster memory of the old hardware address (yes, I did J > >change it first just in NCP, but that didn't help either). VMS 6.2-1H3. > >Any ideas?  Cluster reboot? > >  > >---) > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. = > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). C > >Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 4/10/2003  > >  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 4/10/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:09:46 GMT   From: trothf <trothf@boeing.com>K Subject: Re: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into cluster * Message-ID: <3EA5BDAA.703AED77@boeing.com>  E Thanks, Keith, everything hardwired to 100Mbit, Fast full duplex, >>> G set ewa0_mode FastFD, and my network guy assures me he has set the port C on the switch the same.  I'm sure it's ewa0 (I was surprised, too), D because, in the SHOW DEVICE display at the boot prompt, ewa0 has theF hardware address of the new 10/100 card, as printed on the paper label! on the back of the new enet card.   H The original enet port is rj45 also.  Is there an rj45 terminator, too?  Ignorant me.   	Frank   "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:  > r > trothf <trothf@boeing.com> writes in article <3EA03EB2.AE1FA876@boeing.com> dated Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:06:42 GMT:J > >We installed a 10/100 DE500 card so we could run 100Mbit (the quickspecA > >says the onboard card can only run 10Mbit).  You have to tweek J > >bootdef_dev  and it starts to boot into the cluster again, but it hangsI > >after the network device select.  I do get 2 boot load hit messages on I > >the server, but it's not getting beyond that.  I also removed the node H > >from the cluster and readded it with cluster_config in case there wasG > >some residual cluster memory of the old hardware address (yes, I did J > >change it first just in NCP, but that didn't help either). VMS 6.2-1H3. > >Any ideas?  Cluster reboot? > , > Here are a few things that could go wrong: > L > * If you are running Decnet phase IV (which sets the hardware addresses ofL > all your interfaces to the same thing), never plug more than one interfaceD > into connected networks or you will really confuse the switch(es). > N > * The mode of the ethernet switch must match that of the card.  I'm guessingK > that your new card is EWB0.  ">>>set ewb0_mode x" will give you a list of N > valid modes.  Auto-negotiate is best if your switch supports it.  I had someM > trouble with a switch that defaulted to 100half for connections that didn't  > autonegotiate first. > M > * You might have to do something about the disconnected built-in interface. M > If you have a 10baseT loopback connector, stick it in.  Otherwise you might L > want to ">>>set ewa0_mode BNC" and put a terminator on the BNC connection. > N > * If your system was configured to look for the internet on EWA0 and it's noN > longer there, it may start tcp/ip very slowly.  Long delays can be caused by8 > name server timeouts while loading the proxy database. > - > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org @ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:17:21 GMT   From: trothf <trothf@boeing.com>K Subject: Re: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into cluster * Message-ID: <3EA5BF71.EDB3B696@boeing.com>  D Thanks, Jeff, forgot to mention that I did set everything FastFD, weG haven't had much luck with auto negotiate.  See my reply to Keith Lewis  below for other comments.    Frank Troth    Jeff Goodwin wrote:  > K > The DE500s are notoriously bad at Auto-Negotiation.  Try hard setting the M > DE500 and your network device (switch?) at 100mbs Fast Full Duplex.  If the G > DE500 is the first adaptor, I believe it would be ewa0_mode = FastFD.  >  > -Jeff  > / > "trothf" <trothf@boeing.com> wrote in message & > news:3EA03EB2.AE1FA876@boeing.com...K > > We installed a 10/100 DE500 card so we could run 100Mbit (the quickspec B > > says the onboard card can only run 10Mbit).  You have to tweekK > > bootdef_dev  and it starts to boot into the cluster again, but it hangs J > > after the network device select.  I do get 2 boot load hit messages onJ > > the server, but it's not getting beyond that.  I also removed the nodeI > > from the cluster and readded it with cluster_config in case there was H > > some residual cluster memory of the old hardware address (yes, I didK > > change it first just in NCP, but that didn't help either). VMS 6.2-1H3.  > > Any ideas?  Cluster reboot?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:12:05 +0100 6 From: Chris Townley <news@townleyc.nospam.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: BA356 woes 8 Message-ID: <evibavgrja9ubgbq3ne6gl6og75j606hm2@4ax.com>  E On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:18:35 GMT, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN'  LANGSTOEGER) wrote:   s >In article <b7q1vq$5v1$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris Townley" <news_ac@townleyc.NOSPAM.demon.co.uk> writes: M >>Slightly embarrssed - I havent installed DECEVENT - will have to borrow the G >>CD from work again (hobbyist machine), before I can report the actual = >>errors. So much for a solid system management background...  > G >For those of you who still doesn't know that you can download DECevent 3 >(and need not get ConDist CDs), it is available at  > @ >	http://www.compaq.com/support/svctools/decevent/index.html#vms  D Thanks, I found out where to get it over the weekend, hence my later post.   C It says something for Alpha hardware that prior to my attempts with 6 external drives, I have had no device errors reported.  6 Not like the old days with VAX 8550 and RA82 drives... --  
 Chris Townley ) chris at townleyc dot demon dot co dot uk    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:56:45 -0400 = From: "HP World Conf & Expo - Encompass" <KilleenJ@toast.net> 0 Subject: Call for Papers - The New HP World 2003/ Message-ID: <vac3bh39hsoj8f@corp.supernews.com>   8 HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo Atlanta, Georgia August 11 - 15, 2003 http://www.hpworld.com  H Interex, Encompass, and HP have partnered to bring you a powerful new HPK World 2003. This is the ultimate event for IT professionals whose computing J strategies are largely determined by HP and HP-compatible environments. IfL you have submitted sessions, or considered submitting sessions, to HP World,I HP-ETS, or Interworks in prior years, this is the only conference for all  three audiences in 2003.  F HP World 2003 brings a new audience.  Joining the traditional HP WorldF attendees will be the technical customers from pre-merger Compaq, HP'sJ Certified Professional customers, HP Partner Solution Architects, and HP's own Solution Architects.  I If you have already submitted sessions for HP World 2003, good news!  The L sessions you submitted are under consideration.  You will shortly receive anL email re-confirming your session submission so that you can review it in the  new system if you wish to do so.  C Make your voice heard at this premier HP computing conference. Gain G invaluable exposure. Help shape the imminent technological synergies of H tomorrow. Make crucial business connections. And open doors for yourself$ that you may not have known existed.  J Your deadline is May 15, 2003, however, sessions are accepted on a rolling: basis.  The later you wait, the fewer the available slots.  @ Submitting your paper or tutorial couldn't be easier. Just click! http://www.hpworld.com/presenters   E Sharing your knowledge and experiences can have a major impact on the B overall level of training available to attendees at HP World 2003.  4 We will be accepting papers on the following topics:   Operating Environments  HP-UX  Linux  Windows & .NET   OpenVMS  Tru64 UNIX   MPE  $ Solutions, Technologies, and Focuses  StorageG  IT Infrastructure & Manageability (includes OpenView, UDC, and Insight  Manager)  NonStop Systems  Oracle   SQL Server & .NET  NetWare  Networking   Printing & Imaging &  High Availability / Disaster Recovery	  Security   Middleware   Itanium  IA32   Alpha  PA-RISC  IT Directors / IS Managers %  System Administration and Management    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Apr 2003 23:09:37 GMT2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>4 Subject: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments, Message-ID: <b84i3h018a7@enews1.newsguy.com>  M > The U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency halted the contract less I > than two weeks after The Globe and Mail of Toronto published a story in L > which programmer Theo de Raadt was quoted as saying he was "uncomfortable" > about the funding source.   F I really feel the urge to toss in my two cents worth on this basically= off-topic thread (and I'll even add an ontopic aspect to it).   L I've been running OpenBSD on 1-2 systems for several years now.  I typicallyI have one production and one development system.  Ideally I'd have neither K and would instead be using OpenVMS, unfortunatly OpenVMS lacks the features J to function as a Firewall and do NAT.  OpenBSD normally has those features/ and has for the most part done them quite well.   K It's worth noteing how OpenBSD came into being, Theo de Raadt got into some ; sort of fight with the NetBSD team and went off on his own.   E It's also worth noteing that he seems to have the bad habit of acting I without thinking things through fully.  This DARPA incident seems to be a L good example, by loosing the funding, he suddenly lost the money that was toG pay for a lot of developers to get together for a massive 'code fest'.  I Those developers were already flying in when he learned about loosing the K money (ouch).  Another good example is when he got into a disagreement with I the developer of the old firewall software over a temporary change of the L codes license (it was apparently only done for a special test version of theI code).  Theo went in and *RIPPED* the code out of the OpenBSD source tree L without haveing a replacement in place.  This was just before the release ofF a new version of OpenBSD.  For that version most platforms had the oldH Firewall code, the Alpha version had nothing, and as such was worthless.  I Basically, in my opinion, Theo de Raadt has shown himself to be a serious I threat to OpenBSD on multiple occasions.  It's a shame, because as far as K UNIX varients go, OpenBSD is basically the best from a security standpoint, I however, if there was another platform that I felt I could trust as much, B I'd drop it in a heartbeat, because of the way that de Raadt acts.   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:49:37 +0200 ( From: "Philip Lewis" <philip@nospam.com>0 Subject: Re: Finding CPU ID on Jensen without OS, Message-ID: <b84de4$1a4$1@news.cybercity.dk>   Robert Deininger wrote: = > In article <b82oc4$qtq$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Philip Lewis"  > <philip@nospam.com> wrote: >  >> Hmmm, >>E >> According to the Hobbyist site, I need the "CPU Serial Number:" to C >> generate a license.  I have no clue how to extract this from the @ >> machine.  This machine has no OS installed at all by the way. > D > That web page is poorly worded.  Most alpha CPUs don't have serialF > numbers.  You need the serial number of the system, not the CPU, and= > it is usually on a sticker on the outside back of the case.   6 How quaint "poorly" != "incorrectly" in my dictionary.  ( In any case, thanks for that factoid !!!   p.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:36:07 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)0 Subject: Re: Finding CPU ID on Jensen without OSL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2204032036080001@user-uinj4lu.dialup.mindspring.com>  ; In article <b84de4$1a4$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Philip Lewis"  <philip@nospam.com> wrote:   >Robert Deininger wrote:> >> In article <b82oc4$qtq$1@news.cybercity.dk>, "Philip Lewis" >> <philip@nospam.com> wrote:  >>	 >>> Hmmm,  >>> F >>> According to the Hobbyist site, I need the "CPU Serial Number:" toD >>> generate a license.  I have no clue how to extract this from theA >>> machine.  This machine has no OS installed at all by the way.  >>E >> That web page is poorly worded.  Most alpha CPUs don't have serial G >> numbers.  You need the serial number of the system, not the CPU, and > >> it is usually on a sticker on the outside back of the case. > 7 >How quaint "poorly" != "incorrectly" in my dictionary.  > ) >In any case, thanks for that factoid !!!   8 I sent the webmaster a suggestion to change the wording.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:59:42 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>9 Subject: Re: Heads Up - OpenVMS Progress Update - Itanium @ Message-ID: <20030423045942.44122.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>   That's great !    = Should be fine to know if others companies are doing the same  with their OpenVMS Products ?   * Oracle RDB ? Where  are u Norm Lastovica ?   Regards    FC  6 --- "Skonetski, Susan" <Susan.Skonetski@hp.com> wrote:/ > This is was sent to engineering this morning.  >  > sue 8 > ______________________________________________________ >  > From: Gorham, Mark  ' > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 9:50 AM $ > To: OpenVMS Systems Software Group1 > Cc: Marcello, Richard (ZKO); ASD Direct Reports , > Subject: OpenVMS progress update - Itanium > M > I wanted to update the organization on the tremendous progress we have made H > in the past few months on the Itanium port, and thank you all for yourO > efforts as you  continue to stay focused  on delivering to our roadmaps.   On I > January 31, 2003  we booted VMS for the first time on an i2000  Itanium O > system.  On March 17 we booted VMS  on the rx2600, an Itanium system with the O > McKinley chip.  Since then, we have continued to make substantial progress in  > many areas.    >       ? >  3 Itanium systems have been booted:  i2000, rx2600, zx2000  I >  Many parts of the system are working to various degrees, for example: K > batch, XFC, LAN, LAT, DECnet, FASTIO, swapping, SMP, EDT, MOUNT/DISMOUNT,  > BACKUP, SDA, ACPI O >  DEBUG is progressing: The debugger kernel initializes and debug main prints F > the debugger banner. By itself, debug main gets to the DBG> prompt. L >  Three OpenVMS I64 base levels have been distributed to compiler, networkM > and tools groups .  We are on schedule for  the  release of the LP kit next $ > week to a wider internal audience L >  The  BLISS, C and FORTRAN compiler teams are verifying generated code on5 > their rx2600s (compiled on Alpha, executed on IPF)  K >  The BLISS test system was run at all optimization levels, and all but 2 $ > tests were running successfully   E >  About 350 Fortran 90 tests were run including many at the highest 7 > optimization level, with a success rate of about 90%  L >  Over 500 of the C tests have run successfully on the initial base level N >  TCP/IP, DECthreads, DECnet, and  DECwindows teams are testing/debugging on > their rx2600s K >  OpenVMS running on Itanium systems was demonstrated at CeBIT in Germany , > (560,000 attendees), and at German DECUS. N >  Several hundred software partners have indicated their plans to port their  > applications to OpenVMS I64.  M >  The FastTrack early adopter program, which  will use internal engineering O > resources and equipment to port key vertical software partner applications to I > OpenVMS IPF, has completed contracts and verbal agreements for four top  > partners.  > O > Many people across multiple organizations have contributed to these successes J >  - this has been and continues to be truly a team effort, leveraging theD > excellence of HP's Itanium engineering resources.   I also want toH > acknowledge and thank all the folks that have continued to support ourM > customers and deliver and maintain our existing product sets.  We  continue B > to deliver to our roadmap commitments.  Keep up the great work!  >  > Thanks and regards >  > Mark     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?- The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo  http://search.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:12:26 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)M Subject: Re: HELP NEEDED - printing from a VAX to a Linux PC printer on a LAN . Message-ID: <b840ma$p2s$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Kevin Monceaux <OwnedByDogs@grandecom.net> writes in article <Pine.LNX.4.50.0304221022530.1872-100000@Linux.monceaux.com> dated Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:25:56 -0500 (CDT): > C >Well, while we're on the subject of printing help I have a similar J >problem.  I have a VAXStation 3100 M76 hobbyist system.  The only printerE >on my home network is attached to a Linux box.  CUPS is the printing I >subsystem currently installed on the Linux box.  Is it possible to print H >from a VAX to a Linux box running CUPS?  So far I haven't had any luck.D >Actually it's been a while since I've tried but the recent printing9 >question reminded me that I hadn't got this working yet.   J I'm not familiar with CUPS, but LPR works fine for transmitting print jobsK from VMS to Unix.  LPR is included with Compaq TCP/IP services.  Setup is a 6 little involved; you'll have to RTFM to get it right.   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:06:02 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl># Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? 1 Message-ID: <b847hv$kr$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Dirk Munk wrote: > 6 >>A friendly word of advise: start using stylesheets ! >  >  > L > I disabled style sheet processing on my browser because too many site haveN > misused style sheets to code font sizes, making fonts on browsers other thanM > microsoft ones totally unreadable because too small. Don't use relative fon J > sizes because you don't know what the default font size is on the user'sP > browser. By using a fixed point font size, you enuse the "small print" remains8 > readable no matter what the browser's default font it. > O > Yahoo news is one of the big culprits that force me to turn style sheets off.   J Hmmmm..... I understand the problem (M$ as always). I check my pages with Q Mozilla & Netscape, and they look fine in those. I just tried Internet Exploder,  N and the pages with stylesheet look OK, but those without ('normal' HTML) have P some minor problems. There is no real difference in font size, however Netscape Q does a far better job in rendering the fonts. The character spacing is much more   regular with Netscape.  P Of course I could not close IE, I had to use the Three Finger Salute to kill it.  O I don't think my pages will look very nice without stylesheets enabled! Almost  + all formatting info will be in stylesheets.   M With Mozilla and Netscape you can use View > Text Zoom to enlarge pages with   very small characters.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 15:32:06 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? 3 Message-ID: <vv2wV+AmM8Aw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <b847hv$kr$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  I > I don't think my pages will look very nice without stylesheets enabled! 4 > Almost all formatting info will be in stylesheets.  F You are free to make your own choice regarding what subset of possible readers you want to serve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:45:00 -0400 ! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> # Subject: RE: HTML favourite editor? K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BF0@rlghncst964.usps.gov>    > -----Original Message-----6 > From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]' > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:32 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % > Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor?  >  > > > In article <b847hv$kr$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk  > <munk@home.nl> writes: > 7 > > I don't think my pages will look very nice without   > stylesheets enabled!6 > > Almost all formatting info will be in stylesheets. > H > You are free to make your own choice regarding what subset of possible > readers you want to serve. >  >   ; Or you could try to make your subset as un-sub as possible.  :^)    # http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/    ========================  William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annex , 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874  > 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:41:32 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl># Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? 2 Message-ID: <b84d52$prt$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:T > In article <b847hv$kr$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: >  > I >>I don't think my pages will look very nice without stylesheets enabled! 4 >>Almost all formatting info will be in stylesheets. >  > H > You are free to make your own choice regarding what subset of possible > readers you want to serve.  / Sure, that is a way of looking at these things.   ( However things are not that easy either.  O I started looking at stylesheets when I wanted to do more with tables then can  P be done with standard HTML. I wanted to have borders around the cells, and that # can not be done with standard HTML.   N I did some experiments, and then I noticed how much easier it is to make good P looking HTML pages with the help of style sheets. There is hardly any HTML code L in the pages themselves. Making and reading the remaining HTML code is much L simpler, and far less error prone. The code is reusable in many pages, thus 7 making it very easy to make many similar looking pages.   L Furthermore it is the future, much 'standard' HTML code will most likely be H replaced by style commands, in whatever way you like to implement them. O Stylesheets are part of the HTML 4.01 standard, and are even a recommended way   of formatting HTML pages !  L So with all respect for you Larry and JF, I don't think it is reasonable to M expect HTML pages should be made without stylesheets, and in deprecated code.   G At the same time I do think that web pages should use pure HTML (incl.  Q stylesheets) as much as possible. The use of Javascript, Java, Flash etc. should  # be limited to the absolute minimum.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 23:30:43 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: RE: HTML favourite editor? 3 Message-ID: <+TmVMEHPvKJs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BF0@rlghncst964.usps.gov>, VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> writes:  >  >  >> -----Original Message----- 7 >> From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] ( >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:32 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& >> Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? >>   >>  ? >> In article <b847hv$kr$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk   >> <munk@home.nl> writes:  >>  8 >> > I don't think my pages will look very nice without  >> stylesheets enabled! 7 >> > Almost all formatting info will be in stylesheets.  >>  I >> You are free to make your own choice regarding what subset of possible  >> readers you want to serve.  >>   >> > = > Or you could try to make your subset as un-sub as possible.  > :^)  >   % > http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/   F Which to me infers not using constructs unavailable in older browsers.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:52:49 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly + Message-ID: <b84h41$8g9$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   E In article <b83obt$fmn$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: , >In article <b83f9h$54a$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>,0 >   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote:G >>In article <b83agv$cbm$4@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: . >>>In article <b810ju$ptq$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>,2 >>>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote:I >>>>In article <b80in2$rgo$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: 1 >>>>>In article <3EA365D0.3090804@tsoft-inc.com>, 1 >>>>>   David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  >>>>>>J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>? >>>>>>> In article <00A1BAF7.D4960A23@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,  . >>>>>>> winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU says... >>>>>>M >>>>>>>>>There are problems with Windows, but blame it for what it does, not   >>>for  / >>>>>>>>>what applications running under it do. 	 >>>>>>>>> K >>>>>>>>I blame Microsoft in general, but Windows both has vulnerabilities   >of  >>>>>its@ >>>>>>>>own and enables vulnerabilities in application software. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> G >>>>>>> Every OS has vulnerabilities.  If you think they don't you are   >>>deluding  >>>>>>> yourself.  >>>>>> >>>>>>K >>>>>>As for that, please direct me to any vulnerabilities in VMS.  People 0 >>>keep A >>>>>>claiming that every OS has problems, but when asked, never i >>>>>>seem able to point to  >>>>>>any for VMS. >>>>> D >>>>>Well, it helped to have the OS run on college computers who hadA >>>>>maintenance service contracts.  Those college critters were  E >>>>>real good at finding all the little cracks in the security wall.  >>>>> E >>>>>Unfortunately, that aspect of the computing doesn't happen since @ >>>>>everybody has their own system and don't have the challenge( >>>>>of defying an Establishment system. >>>>>n >>>>I >>>>Even in Universities where teaching of computing is decentralised so   >eachgL >>>>school has their own systems there will still be centralised systems for >>>>Administration. K >>>>For that matter the individual department/systems whether VMS, Unix or i
 >>>WindowsJ >>>>fileservers, compute servers, mail servers etc will still be a target. >>>>M >>>>The administrative systems particularly those containing student records a >>>will  >>>>be a particular target.  >>>>L >>>>Having a system on software/hardware maintenance doesn't help very much 
 >>>when itL >>>>comes to security. Security issues are generally handled outside of suchF >>>>support contracts. Once a vulnerablity becomes known it is in the 	 >vendors B >>>bestyI >>>>interest to provide a fix for all vulnerable systems irrespective of o >theirF >>>>support contract status. It's possible that if you have a support 
 >contract  >>>youK >>>>may get a heads up from the vendor before you hear about it from other n >>>sources.oH >>>>However knowing about the vulnerability and fix is only half of the  >>>solution.J >>>>The other half is being able to apply the patches. Unfortunately with  >some  >>>OSsD >>>>the frequency of security problems means that it is politically  >impossibleCG >>>>to apply the patches in a timely fashion - you would be taking the e >system  >>>downP >>>>every few days.  >>> D >>>SIGH!  How did the vendor _find out_ about problems?  Within DEC,6 >>>the mechanism was through the support organization. >>>SE >>>You should find out how those SPRs were handled in the olden days.o >>>e >>K >>Although people with support contracts would report problems through the   >SPRE >>mechanism I am pretty sure that DEC would treat any report of of a -	 >security-5 >>problem as a serious issue however it was reported.  >5 >Do you have wax in your eyes? >o >> .. The fact that the personM >>who reports a problem doesn't have a support contract should be irrelevent g >if. >>it is a security problem.  >rB >Now think about how somebody, who didn't have a support contract,? >got that information to the _appropriate_ people.  If you toldpB >a salesman, consider the info to be written to NUL:.  If you toldA >a VMS person about a TOPS-10 security problem, consider yourselfu. >to be forever on a "do not talk to" hit list. >mC >Nowadays, people seem to think that sending an email will transfer-< >the information.  THINK AGAIN.  How do you ensure that this= >important information gets to the disk of the person who is e >responsible for that code.  > 3 >There are some things that cannot be computerized.. >s >>I >>Nowadays I would hope that a report of a security vulnerability from a a
 >hobbyist J >>would be treated just as seriously by HP as a report of a vulnerability  >from.) >>a customer with a maintenance contract.r >X@ >Dreeammmm, dream, dream, dream, dream.  You gotta get the info " >into the ear of the right person. >   M Nowadays if the vendor doesn't provide a reporting mechanism for those not on*A support contract then the bug gets published to Bugtraq, Cert etceL If its published to one of the more reputable lists they contact the vendor.C If not then the vendor finds out about it along with everyone else.n  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >/BAH  >n( >Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:30:21 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)tQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly.+ Message-ID: <b84jac$8ib$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>o  b In article <3EA5774A.D3147273@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >David Webb wrote:O >> problem as a serious issue however it was reported. The fact that the personDP >> who reports a problem doesn't have a support contract should be irrelevent if >> it is a security problem. >aI >So how/where do I send the description of the XDM security problem ? (nos= >auditing of invalid attempts, no breaking detection/evasion).  K I believe Hoff has stated in the past that if you contact Compaq using the eL normal support channels they should be happy to hear about security related I problems from people without a support contract. So i'd probably start byR> looking at http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/eng/wwcontact.html    K I don't know if such a thing exists but it would be useful if there were a yO security@hp.com  email address to which such problems could be reported withouthH all the rigamarole of searching through the hp site for contact details.  M Sorry I can't be of more help since I've always had my systems on support anda2 hence haven't needed to look for this information.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:07:19 -0400r0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly/ Message-ID: <3EA5F535.93BFD786@vl.videotron.ca>o   David Webb wrote:iO > Nowadays if the vendor doesn't provide a reporting mechanism for those not onsC > support contract then the bug gets published to Bugtraq, Cert etc   L I have mentioned the security flaw in the XDM server on this newsgroup twiceM already. You'd think that VMS management/workers/engineers would have spottedh@ this and handled it internally without making a big public fuss.  9 Personally, I think that the VMS web site should contain: = 	-A list of all Digital software products still in maintained:9 	-a single email adress/contact point (product manager) ?A  L It shoudl be a simple list, no fancy jacascript or forms. Just one page with* the list of products still sold/available.  D And by having the product manager listed, it would allow much betterJ customer/product management interaction, including security flaws that areI discovered by customers. It would also allow customers to bypass cluelessrM local offices and get the product manager to get them in touch with the right.Q people (aka: ambassador, or someone knowledgeable about the product in question).-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:53:36 -0500t+ From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu>  Subject: indexf.syso/ Message-ID: <3EA581A0.9000500@ceris.purdue.edu>    Group,  / Is there a way to create a new indexf.sys file?o   Thanks,n Chucka   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:13:00 -0400c$ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com> Subject: RE: indexf.sys,J Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492B116@lespaul.process.com>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Chuck Aaron [mailto:caaron@ceris.purdue.edu]' > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:54 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: indexf.sys  >  >  > Group, > 1 > Is there a way to create a new indexf.sys file?  > 	 > Thanks,l > Chuckf >   2 As far as I know, only via the INITIALIZE command.  2 Your question is not specific, so I'm guessing you2 have an INDEXF.SYS file that somehow got partially5 trashed, or perhaps you ran out of retrieval pointersy to extend the file.m  . I don't think you'd have much success creating/ a new file to take its place on the same device-/ and then switching one for the other, if that's . what you're thinking.  The first two blocks of2 the file in particular need to be at the first two. logical blocks of the volume, and it's file ID0 has to be known, and refer to itself with regard+ to mapping information.  It could be pulled . off programatically, but you'd have to be very+ brave and have a lot of time on your hands.   0 Could you be more specific as to your situation?   -Mike Duffy       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:56:10 -0500h From: brandon@dalsemi.come Subject: Re: indexf.syst1 Message-ID: <03042213561081@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    > Group, > 1 > Is there a way to create a new indexf.sys file?. > 	 > Thanks,K > Chucke  G As previously mentioned, INIT the disk is probably the only solution...A   What is the version of VMS?1   What disk?  Data or System?   / If it is a data disk, you can do the following:i   $ INITIALIZE /CLUSTER_SIZE=3 -              /HEADERS=200000 -               /OWNER_UIC=SYSTEM -              device -               label  E Use /CLUSTER_SIZE= to keep file creation to a small number of blocks.a8 Use /HEADERS= to allocate sufficient space in INDEXF.SYS  , There are other qualifiers you may consider.  - When creating directories, use the following:a   $ CREATE /DIRECTORY -i          /ALLOCATION=128 -          /OWNER_UIC=owner -i          device:[diectory]  P Use the /ALLOCATION= to allocate the initial directory size.  V6.2(?) or V7.0 is capable of this.      : If it is a system disk, you will need to do the following:  N Move all PAGE, SWAP, OPER, ERROR, AUDIT, ACCOUNTNG, A/S (Pathworks) off of theP system disk.  Move all applications (that can be moved) off of the system disk. L Cleanup the disk (delete junk files, purge, etc.)  Then perform a standaloneM backup of the system disk and restore it.  This (to my knowledge) is the onlybL way to fix the system disk.  Moving items off the system disk will help keep% the INDEXF.SYS as static as possible.   K Also look for log, temporary, and scratch files being created on the system L disk.  Identified them and have them create to a non-system disk.  Move user$ accounts off of the system disk too.   John Brandon VMS Systems Administratori Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkt 972.371.4003 fxt   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 14:20:45 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: indexf.syss3 Message-ID: <tvQplY2yTKuF@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  ] In article <3EA581A0.9000500@ceris.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes:i > Group, > 1 > Is there a way to create a new indexf.sys file?    	$ INITIALIZE mydisk mylabel  < Warning.  This won't do much to help you retrieve your data.  D The standard first thing to do with a disk on which you want to play> some sort of data recovery game is to take a /PHYSICAL backup:  5 	$ BACKUP /PHYSICAL mydisk: mytape:physical.bck /SAVEs  @ Now if you screw the drive up totally you can always start over.A And if you're really paranoid, you can even restore the /PHYSICAL @ save set on a known good drive and do your repair efforts there.? That way the original drive is absolutely untouched in case youn? need to invoke some really heavy duty data recovery techniques.E  < (The absolutely first thing to do if you can manage it is toA run screaming to the failing disk drive and hit the write-protectsA button before the runaway DELETE [*...]*.*;* gets any farther but/? you're presumably well beyond that point by now.  The screamingt> is optional, but it makes for a nice effect and leads in quite? naturally to the subsequent cursing and wall kicking.  Careful.a> you can hurt your toes that way -- voice of experience there).  > If you can get any good data from the existing index file, you might consider:   , 	<copy the index file off to some disk file>8 	$ INIT mydisk mylabel /HEADERS=<size of old index file> 	$ MOUNT /OV=ID mydiskA 	$ COPY /OVERLAY <your-indexf.sys-copy> mydisk:[000000]INDEXF.SYSt  H And then cross your fingers hoping that the self-referential file headerG for file ID [1,1,0] INDEXF.SYS points to the same place on the new disk  as on the old.  D Failing that, you can write your own logical block editor in FortranH or your language of choice and start building a new INDEXF.SYS that way.D You probably want to start with a reasonable fascimile and just edit it around the edges.   	$ DUMP /FILE is your friend  F You'll also want to look at $FH2DEF and $HM2DEF in SYS$LIBRARY:LIB.MLB6 Or at the file system internals manual if you have it.  F My personal experience digging around in INDEXF.SYS is all on the readG only side.  I can't recall ever having gone in to do any bit twiddling.r  A The first couple of extents of INDEXF.SYS have physical placementoA constraints.  It maps the volume home block and backup home blockaD and the placement of those is a function of volume geometry.  So you= can't set a few pointers willy nilly to reference a new indexc= file.  The new file has to at least start on those predefined D blocks.  And the new file has to have a self-referential file header= containing its own mapping information.  If you use $ INIT toi= create a starting point for your INDEXF.SYS, those nasty bitsoA will be taken care of for you.  Then you just have to overlay the3/ actual file headers for the rest of your files.n  D It's usually much easier to make good backups and restore from them.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 16:09:06 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: indexf.sysw3 Message-ID: <aPl5UKI6PGmA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3EA581A0.9000500@ceris.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes:  > Group, > 1 > Is there a way to create a new indexf.sys file?i >   
    initialize   )    But you're problem is probably either:b8       a) it's fragmented, you'll have to defrag the diskC       b) it's too small, you'll have to backup the disk, initialize2>       	 for a larger indexf.sys, then backup/noinit to restore   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 16:10:39 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r Subject: Re: indexf.sys 3 Message-ID: <OeKu+n7VE31L@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <tvQplY2yTKuF@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > 7 > 	$ BACKUP /PHYSICAL mydisk: mytape:physical.bck /SAVEm >   C    I highly recommend /image instead of /physical.  It's faster and 4    it will be required later if the intialize works.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:31:55 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: indexf.sys.4 Message-ID: <fxipa.185600$UR.1804130@news.chello.at>  ] In article <3EA581A0.9000500@ceris.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes:.0 >Is there a way to create a new indexf.sys file?   Create ? That would be INIT...4 But modify/fix ? That could be DEFRAG OFFLINE_VOLUME   -- p Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERk% Network and OpenVMS system specialisto E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:49:41 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: indexf.sys,4 Message-ID: <VNipa.185960$UR.1804130@news.chello.at>  M In article <03042213561081@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com writes: 0 >If it is a data disk, you can do the following: >  >$ INITIALIZE /CLUSTER_SIZE=3 -D >             /HEADERS=200000 -d! >             /OWNER_UIC=SYSTEM -  >             device - >             labele  : I use /USER=SYSTEM, too (or use really the user SYSTEM)...  F >Use /CLUSTER_SIZE= to keep file creation to a small number of blocks.9 >Use /HEADERS= to allocate sufficient space in INDEXF.SYSe  4 Recently (with ODS2a), /CLUSTER=1 became possible...  - >There are other qualifiers you may consider.  >n. >When creating directories, use the following: >r >$ CREATE /DIRECTORY - >         /ALLOCATION=128 -  >         /OWNER_UIC=owner - >         device:[diectory]s >nP >Use the /ALLOCATION= to allocate the initial directory size. V6.2(?) or V7.0 is >capable of this.  h  L But until recently a directory over 128 blocks didn't fit into the ACP cacheM and performance went down horribly so /ALL=128 is/was ok, but more was worst.a   But you know this of course...   -- t Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:27:58 GMTw2 From: Gib Copeland <copeland@jenni.path.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: indexf.syso= Message-ID: <2Lnpa.49211$Si4.35241@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>a   Chuck Aaron wrote: > Group, > 1 > Is there a way to create a new indexf.sys file?g > 	 > Thanks,. > ChuckR >     Are you sure you need a new one?  E I recently saw a volume that failed to rebuild because INDEXF.SYS was D missing.  Other than that, the file system seemed to have no problem with it.  I Turned out the index file (FID (1,1,0)) for the volume still existed, butAI had somehow been renamed to [000000]INDEXG.SYS.  Probably a Windows-level G administrator (i.e., help desk) screwing around somehow, but I have yets to imagine the scenario.  D You might try repairing the disk, then searching for the index file:  3     $ set default disk$[your volume label]:[000000]e      $ ana /disk /repair sys$diskD     $ pipe dir/fi/nohead/wid=file=64 [...] | sea sys$input "(1,1,0)"  , If you find it, rename it [000000]INDEXF.SYS   Gibp   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:06:40 -0400i  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: indexf.syst5 Message-ID: <1030423000314.2426A-100000@Ives.egh.com>s  ( On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Gib Copeland wrote:   > Chuck Aaron wrote:
 > > Group, > > 3 > > Is there a way to create a new indexf.sys file?e > >  > > Thanks, 	 > > Chuck  > >  > " > Are you sure you need a new one? > G > I recently saw a volume that failed to rebuild because INDEXF.SYS was2F > missing.  Other than that, the file system seemed to have no problem
 > with it. > K > Turned out the index file (FID (1,1,0)) for the volume still existed, but K > had somehow been renamed to [000000]INDEXG.SYS.  Probably a Windows-levelhI > administrator (i.e., help desk) screwing around somehow, but I have yett > to imagine the scenario. > F > You might try repairing the disk, then searching for the index file: > 5 >     $ set default disk$[your volume label]:[000000] " >     $ ana /disk /repair sys$diskF >     $ pipe dir/fi/nohead/wid=file=64 [...] | sea sys$input "(1,1,0)" > . > If you find it, rename it [000000]INDEXF.SYS >  > Giba  D DFU will tell you which file owns block 0.  It should be INDEXF.SYS,A but if it has been renamed or somehow has had its FID changed....,  !  $ MCR DFU SEARCH SYS$DISK:/LBN=0    -- - John Santos- Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 16:56:25 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!o= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304221556.1f92e6b5@posting.google.com>s  0 check out Madisons encryption specs ... awesome!  6 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2133625,00.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:23:08 -0400o* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>A Subject: Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!e2 Message-ID: <qfKdnY1XBu2TZDijXTWcoQ@metrocast.net>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagee7 news:d7791aa1.0304221556.1f92e6b5@posting.google.com...>2 > check out Madisons encryption specs ... awesome! >t8 > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2133625,00.html  < Yup, they're very good - almost as good as the new Opteron's  L http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8796_8800~6 9673,00.html ).e   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:33:18 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i* Subject: Job Opportunity - Toronto, CanadaI Message-ID: <iGhpa.130831$Vzu.92416@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>0  A I have come across an employment opportunity in downtown Toronto,uB Ontario.  A headhunter I know called me and asked if I knew of anyD suitable candidates for this position. I've already apprised severalF people I know who may be suitable, but there are at least a few people1 in c.o.v. who may be interested, hence this post.    -----------------------_   VP Systems Architecture_F The position is with a bank and encompasses both hardware and softwareB architecture planning/recommendation for the major business units.  F There will be about 4-6 direct reports to this VP, who in turn reportsA to the SVP of IT. The position is viewed as a 2nd step managerial D position despite the small number of staff assigned to the position.  ; The successful candidate will be required to make expensivefE presentations to the bank steering committee for technology, which isoC comprised of both technical and senior business unit managers/VP's. C You'll also be forced to each lunch/dinner/play golf with MicrosoftlC execs and unix vendors, and read Gartner reports  (editorializationi off).a  D Extensive background in financial services is preferred but not 100%@ mandatory - similar experience in another 24x7 industry would beC viewed favorably. Working knowledge of technical French would be anw asset but is not required.  C Salary is in the $110-150k CAD range plus bonuses, depending on ther2 candidate. The usual slate of bank benefits apply.  D Relocation assistance is negotiable, but I doubt that work visas areE likely to be sponsored...but I could be wrong. So Canadian candidates & most likely the ones to be considered.  ? For those of you unfamiliar with Canadian banks - the largest 6cF operate nationally and internationally- one is the largest gold traderD in the world, one operates the world's 2nd or 3rd largest web brokerB (depends on the day), two have a fairly large presence in the US -A Chicago area for one, brokerage emphasis for another. In terms of0F asset base, the largest is only about 50th ranked in the world, so its: a big fish, small pond situation, but you'd be at galacticB headquarters and hence be able to have some real influence...whichF counts for some measure of job satisfaction. Maybe you'll even be able to get VMS in the door.n  > As far as I know of the 5 banks whose executive offices are in@ Toronto, only one was using Alphaservers in the past 5 years forE anything significant - an Oracle data warehouse on Tru64. I've done atE data warehouse for one bank using Sybase IQ on Solaris. Mostly it's au7 mix of OS390, Tandem, AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, and Windows.r    D  I am not the headhunter on this, nor do I have a financial interest in the outcome of this search.  F I have created a hotmail account   torjobAThotmailDOTcom.   Send me anC email at that account (do the appropriate substitutions) if you arecF interested and I'll send you the contact info for the headhunter. I'veE done it this way to keep the specifics off-line.  No, I don't need ton see your resume.   John   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:43:30 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: Job Opportunity - Toronto, Canada/ Message-ID: <3EA5D389.DF4580AA@vl.videotron.ca>    John Smith wrote:== > The successful candidate will be required to make expensiveJG > presentations to the bank steering committee for technology, which is E > comprised of both technical and senior business unit managers/VP's. E > You'll also be forced to each lunch/dinner/play golf with Microsoft E > execs and unix vendors, and read Gartner reports  (editorialization  > off).r    L When I read that paragraph, I was wondering if the whole message was a farceM or not. The problem with the above is that it is true, as funny as it sounds.i> But Mr Smith, would they have actually worded this like that ?  M You also forgot lunches with IBM. Or has IBM stopped ?  The Systems Architect2O position in a bank yields a whole lot of influence on systems/vendor purchases.n  J Note to the VMS folks: put a VMS loyalist in that position and you stand aJ much greater chance of making inroads in that bank. Put an IBM loyalist inI that position and he will be 99% succesful in preventing any VMS loyalist 4 elsewhere in the bank from proposing a VMS solution.    @ > As far as I know of the 5 banks whose executive offices are inB > Toronto, only one was using Alphaservers in the past 5 years for; > anything significant - an Oracle data warehouse on Tru64.   K Canada Trust ran VMS/Vax for ST400 (Swift), but back in mid 1990s, this wasdM outsourced to an outside firm. Not sure what happened since they unfortunatlyT merged with Toronto Dominion.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:13:59 GMTh# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-. Subject: Re: Job Opportunity - Toronto, CanadaI Message-ID: <Xxnpa.103464$BQi.45052@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>t  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3EA5D389.DF4580AA@vl.videotron.ca...> > John Smith wrote:v? > > The successful candidate will be required to make expensiveeF > > presentations to the bank steering committee for technology, which is8 > > comprised of both technical and senior business unit managers/VP's.= > > You'll also be forced to each lunch/dinner/play golf with 	 Microsofte4 > > execs and unix vendors, and read Gartner reports (editorializatione	 > > off).  >i > F > When I read that paragraph, I was wondering if the whole message was a farcehD > or not. The problem with the above is that it is true, as funny as
 it sounds.@ > But Mr Smith, would they have actually worded this like that ?   JF...it's 100% legit.hC As to the wording, no, it was my paraphrase of the discussion I hadI? with the headhunter - none of the wording was sent to me by theoB headhunter. I spoke with him on the phone this afternoon, called aA couple people I thought would be a good fit, and then wrote it upaA here. I suspect that you could possibly be interested, that is ifc? Hogtown holds any appeal over Montreal. There are several otherEF lurkers in the Toronto area who may have an interest, and possibly one6 or two from Alberta or Saskatchewan who hang out here.      E > You also forgot lunches with IBM. Or has IBM stopped ?  The Systemsc	 Architect F > position in a bank yields a whole lot of influence on systems/vendor
 purchases.  E You know that the mainframes aren't going away at any bank for a longpC time, so yes IBM will be in there on a regular basis for them...bute> that's just a managed incremental increase on an annual basis.? Besides, you don't want to go to the annual IBM mainframe userswD conference in Coral Gables or Scottsdale...it'll be the unix weenies@ who want to take you to their conference in Surfer's Paradise or Carnival in Rio. ;-)      D > Note to the VMS folks: put a VMS loyalist in that position and you stand a @ > much greater chance of making inroads in that bank. Put an IBM loyalist in B > that position and he will be 99% succesful in preventing any VMS loyalist6 > elsewhere in the bank from proposing a VMS solution.  F That's one of the reasons I wrote of the job in c.o.v., but then againC it would also require marketing of OpenVMS over PH-UX by HP, and HP F will sell whichever way the wind blows. I'd bet real money you'd neverD see Mark Gorham/Rich Marcello go up against their PH-UX counterpartsD at the same customer - even if the inside scoop was that VMS stood a& decent chance of getting the business.  E If I wanted this job and was going to make any OpenVMS recommendationeD to my management, I'd demand carly make a written commitment to manyE millions of dollars of OpenVMS advertising before I would table a VMSnE recommendation...sort of a take-or-pay contract but with a twist...no=? advertising, no payment, and no 'here is a success story .pdf'. A What's HP going to do to a bank...give them a bad credit rating??     F If I got paid a meagre $300/hour to type this job posting in the firstC place and any subsequent follow-ups here in c.o.v., that'd probably F blow the entire HP OpenVMS marketing budget for 2 whole years. What amF it up to so far... 17 minutes x $300/hr. =  $85.00 CAD or about $58.62" USD - do you want fries with that?% JF....does it sound more like me now?m      B > > As far as I know of the 5 banks whose executive offices are inD > > Toronto, only one was using Alphaservers in the past 5 years for= > > anything significant - an Oracle data warehouse on Tru64.r >rD > Canada Trust ran VMS/Vax for ST400 (Swift), but back in mid 1990s, this wasB > outsourced to an outside firm. Not sure what happened since they unfortunatly > merged with Toronto Dominion.   B Alliance from Swift, and Merva from IBM are the two dominant Swift/ messaging apps these days. Neither runs on VMS.t  F The sad truth is that EVERYBODY once ran VMS. Digital, Compaq, and nowD seemingly HP have all bent over and told the competition, "Re*m me".
 And they did.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:12:51 -0400k0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: Job Opportunity - Toronto, Canada/ Message-ID: <3EA61298.3B77D9B6@vl.videotron.ca>    John Smith wrote:l@ > As to the wording, no, it was my paraphrase of the discussion   H Ok.. it would have been funny if the description of beong forced to makeO expensive powerpoint presentations, long lunches etc were the actual wording...r    C > here. I suspect that you could possibly be interested, that is ifp) > Hogtown holds any appeal over Montreal.i  B I doubt they would be interested in me. I am too controversial andM independantly minded. I rocked many boats when I was at the 6th big bank. But N i also saw hwo things worked. Thei chief architecture guy was more IBM centricM than the IBM sales director associated with that acocunt (who had high esteem-N for me BTW). I would be more likely at this stage to go work for IBM than work for a bank.l    G > You know that the mainframes aren't going away at any bank for a longnE > time, so yes IBM will be in there on a regular basis for them...but3@ > that's just a managed incremental increase on an annual basis.  N Oh no. IBM are there to protect their turf big time, and protecting their turfM means that any new project gets done on IBM architectures, and make sure that.N IBM has alwasy first dibs at presentations, lunches, golf outings etc etc. IBMN also has the hear of the Sr VP and president of the bank. Gertner lunched withL the Bank chairmen.  I couldn't get the lowly DEC sales rep to show up at the bank for whom I worked.o    A > Besides, you don't want to go to the annual IBM mainframe usersoF > conference in Coral Gables or Scottsdale...it'll be the unix weeniesB > who want to take you to their conference in Surfer's Paradise or > Carnival in Rio. ;-)  J Nop. Internal bank mentality would preclude the hiring of anyone who wouldO choose a trendy insecure Unix conference over the tried and true, reliable IBM.     G > If I wanted this job and was going to make any OpenVMS recommendation(F > to my management, I'd demand carly make a written commitment to manyG > millions of dollars of OpenVMS advertising before I would table a VMS  > recommendation...n  H I wouldn't go that far. I would use my VMS expertise not to push for VMSN solutions, but to compare the various solutions presented by vendors. You knowD VMS would be the best architecture, but you also know it is not onlyK impossible to sell, but it would hurt your carreer if you were seen to pushi VMS at a bank. >  L There is absolutely no way to push VMS to such a large organisation when theL vendor doesn't support your efforts to push that platform. If marcello showsN upto do a presentation to bank management, I *will* be forced to tell the bankJ that while Marcello may have good intentions, his views do not necessarilyN prepresent that of HP. I'd have to see Marcello, Stallard, Blackmore and CarlyL show up at the bank and plea for us to look at VMS and get carly to make theI convincing argument that VMS is take seriously by HP etc etc. And in sucheG presentation, I would be compelled to question that group on their realaN intentions and tell them to explain all the various omissions of VMS etc etc. F If i am paid by the bank, then my job is to question the vendor. I mayJ question IBM Sun etc on technical aspects which are inferior to VMS, but II would question HP on their management/commitment. Then again, I know thateJ carly would never show up to make a VMS presentation at a bank, so it is a moot point.   M I attended a few presentations by various vendors while I was at a bank (theycM spend quite a bit of money trying to kick the vaxes I was maintaining). And ItF was the one asking all the right questions  while the rest of the bankE employees were totally clueless on issues of quorum, fallback, backupsD processes etc etc. They were under the impression that the minute an: application ran on a tandem, it was fault tolerant. False.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:41:20 GMTs& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>7 Subject: Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and consn8 Message-ID: <lc3bav0vo2bpgn6mo94go5f7aositee6bs@4ax.com>  H On 22 Apr 2003 04:20:26 -0700, univms@bigfoot.com (Hamlyn Mootoo) wrote:  k >sellis@legato.com (Shaun Ellis) wrote in message news:<1faa9425.0304211136.10426b62@posting.google.com>...p# >>I even worked for the SLS and ABSaI >> engineering teams for a while. I left Digital/Compaq to join Legato int >> 1999 after 14 1/2 years.r >> s
 >> regards >> y >> Shaun >i; >So your in sales now?  Was it easy to make the transition?s >o  B 'Course not.  It's pretty easy once they suck out half your brain.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:35:36 -0400s+ From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com>r Subject: Looking for vdump infoe) Message-ID: <3EA5D1C8.6941E201@yahoo.com>r  D I have a 4mm DAT tape that may have been created on an Ultrix systemD with vdump.  Unfortunately, the tape and the information about it isD third-hand so I have little in the way of details about the tape.  IH need to be able to look at the tape files on either a VMS or Linux basedC system.  A dump of the first few blocks of the tape show a "4.0" atuG offset 1C in each 512 byte block.  I don't know if this indicates whichGH version of vdump was used or if it reflects the version of Ultrix.  DoesG anyone know of any way to extract the files from this tape under VMS ortE Linux?  If not, I'm looking for suggestions about how to determine ifpC this was created by vdump and if a recent Unix like Digital Unix orR9 Tru64 can read this and then create a tar format from it.o   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 17:03:13 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 3 Subject: Re: Mirroring versus Shadowing - any diff?e= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0304221603.13df89a8@posting.google.com>   g wmarsh@etrade.com (Wil Marsh) wrote in message news:<36f52bd6.0304171119.fc53438@posting.google.com>...t& > shadow members can be dismounted for" > backup while mirror sets cannot.  8 Actually, you _can_ split a member off of an HS{D|J|Z|G}B controller-based mirrorset (using the CLI command REDUCE) and do a? backup of that one member, and you can even do that if you havemD something like a stripeset of mirrorsets where you need to break off= one member of each mirrorset at exactly the same time to haveg0 consistent data (by RUNning the CLONE utillity).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:17:27 -0500.1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a3 Subject: Re: Mirroring versus Shadowing - any diff? ' Message-ID: <3EA605C7.8F5F3904@fsi.net>e   Keith Parris wrote:  > i > wmarsh@etrade.com (Wil Marsh) wrote in message news:<36f52bd6.0304171119.fc53438@posting.google.com>...t( > > shadow members can be dismounted for$ > > backup while mirror sets cannot. > : > Actually, you _can_ split a member off of an HS{D|J|Z|G}D > controller-based mirrorset (using the CLI command REDUCE) and do aA > backup of that one member, and you can even do that if you havefF > something like a stripeset of mirrorsets where you need to break off? > one member of each mirrorset at exactly the same time to have 2 > consistent data (by RUNning the CLONE utillity).  , ...or by creative use of INIT and NODESTROY. -- 2 David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:54:14 -0500a, From: Bob Blunt <robert.blunt@hp.nospam.com> Subject: Re: Mystery SBB, Message-ID: <3ea5aed9$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   dittman@dittman.net wrote:< > I have an SBB with the part number 30-45532-01.  The front= > of the SBB has a 34-pin connector, and the only descriptionn< > I've found is SBB 1.44 FDD.  I've opened the SBB and found9 > a DSP, MPEG converter, and some other IC I believe is at7 > video converter, so I'm not sure this is simply a FDD  > adapter in an SBB. >  > Can anyone identify this SBB?   I This LOOKS like a very custom part for one of several MediaPlex systems. tI     It may have been from either an AlphaServer 400- or 600-based system  E and was intended to be used to manipulate video feeds and perform ad o? insertion.  Frankly, this is the best I can guess with current bJ resources, the giblet appears to have been released in the 1996 timeframe.  H I guess I'm also a bit confused by some of your abbreviations or we use I different translations.  An "SBB" to me is a StorageWorks Building Block aC (usually something you'd plug into a storage shelf).  "FDD" didn't r compute at all for me.   bobe   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:45:17 +0200- From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: Mystery SBB2 Message-ID: <b84dbu$qap$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Bob Blunt wrote: > dittman@dittman.net wrote: >   & >  "FDD" didn't compute at all for me. >  >  Floppy Disk Drive ??. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:25:05 -0400g3 From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com>  Subject: Re: Mystery SBB; Message-ID: <09jpa.82237$7i5.66429@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com>h  J I remember seeing a bank of these in the local cable TV company's computerG room.  Modular, swappable devices that go into a BA35x, just like a SBBtK disk.  It is a local commercial ad insertion device, normally interfaced toh< an AlphaServer.  As I recall, Skyconnect was the VAR or OEM.  9 "Bob Blunt" <robert.blunt@hp.nospam.com> wrote in messageu& news:3ea5aed9$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > dittman@dittman.net wrote:> > > I have an SBB with the part number 30-45532-01.  The front? > > of the SBB has a 34-pin connector, and the only descriptionm> > > I've found is SBB 1.44 FDD.  I've opened the SBB and found; > > a DSP, MPEG converter, and some other IC I believe is ao9 > > video converter, so I'm not sure this is simply a FDD  > > adapter in an SBB. > >e! > > Can anyone identify this SBB?( >:J > This LOOKS like a very custom part for one of several MediaPlex systems.J >     It may have been from either an AlphaServer 400- or 600-based systemF > and was intended to be used to manipulate video feeds and perform ad@ > insertion.  Frankly, this is the best I can guess with currentL > resources, the giblet appears to have been released in the 1996 timeframe. >-I > I guess I'm also a bit confused by some of your abbreviations or we use@J > different translations.  An "SBB" to me is a StorageWorks Building BlockD > (usually something you'd plug into a storage shelf).  "FDD" didn't > compute at all for me. >: > bobc >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:04:14 GMTb From: dittman@dittman.netx Subject: Re: Mystery SBB7 Message-ID: <i9ppa.23491$yO5.1889@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>   2 Homer J. Simpson <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> wrote:L > I remember seeing a bank of these in the local cable TV company's computerI > room.  Modular, swappable devices that go into a BA35x, just like a SBB M > disk.  It is a local commercial ad insertion device, normally interfaced to > > an AlphaServer.  As I recall, Skyconnect was the VAR or OEM.  : This sounds like something that could be fund to play with# if I could find some documentation.o  8 I'll probably end up with it just sitting around with my' prototype StorageWorks 2 shelf, though.s --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.nett   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:01:07 GMTa From: dittman@dittman.neto Subject: Re: Mystery SBB8 Message-ID: <n6ppa.23489$yO5.16494@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>  - Bob Blunt <robert.blunt@hp.nospam.com> wrote:- > dittman@dittman.net wrote:= >> I have an SBB with the part number 30-45532-01.  The fronto> >> of the SBB has a 34-pin connector, and the only description= >> I've found is SBB 1.44 FDD.  I've opened the SBB and foundn: >> a DSP, MPEG converter, and some other IC I believe is a8 >> video converter, so I'm not sure this is simply a FDD >> adapter in an SBB.s >> f  >> Can anyone identify this SBB? > K > This LOOKS like a very custom part for one of several MediaPlex systems. _J >    It may have been from either an AlphaServer 400- or 600-based system G > and was intended to be used to manipulate video feeds and perform ad fA > insertion.  Frankly, this is the best I can guess with current tL > resources, the giblet appears to have been released in the 1996 timeframe.  : That sounds like a pretty good guess.  I can probably find more searching on MediaPlex.  J > I guess I'm also a bit confused by some of your abbreviations or we use K > different translations.  An "SBB" to me is a StorageWorks Building Block sE > (usually something you'd plug into a storage shelf).  "FDD" didn't h > compute at all for me.  < SBB is a StorageWorks Building Block, like you said.  FDD is floppy disk drive. -- a Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:57:14 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>( Subject: Netbackup x OpenVMS questions ?@ Message-ID: <20030423045714.50961.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>   Alan  > Please let me know if you dont want to receive emails from the list but by the way...  A As  NBU doesnt perform image backups and I am not the responsbilea5 for storage issues at the company but I am worried...cD there are two classes of backups configured for the OpenvMS servers:   => Incremental and Fullt  I a) Incremental is configured as (I dont remember the real NBU sintax...):-  & backup/since=backup device:[000000...]. /exclude=(*.rda;*,*.snp;*,*.rdb;*,*.tmp,*.dmp)  G Is this syntax right ?  Does NBU makes a shell of DCL backup command ? g    ? b) Full is configured in the same way but without /since=backupa  G backup device:[000000...]/exclude=(*.rda;*,*.snp;*,*.rdb;*,*.tmp,*.dmp)n  ( Is it OK for an all-files-copy backup ?     = Do I need to put the version asterisk in the tmp/dmp files ? d  ; Another question ? How to make RMU/BACKUP work under NBU ?  ; If this command above look like DCL BACKUP, looks like it'sH! possible to run RMU/BACKUP too ! A   Regardsy  
 Fabio Cardoso        =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazile fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?- The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingoe http://search.yahoo.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:59:05 -0400n0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: OT: Opteron officially launched/ Message-ID: <3EA61D6B.653F53B5@vl.videotron.ca>e  , AMD Officially Launches Server-Chip Opteron      4/22/03 12:41pm '   By Donna Fuscaldo Dow Jones Newswirese  J   NEW YORK -- With the launch of its newest server chip, Opteron, AdvancedK Micro Devices Inc.'s  (AMD) goal is to be a big player in the server market ' soon, said Chief Executive Hector Ruiz.x  K   "This is going to have a big impact on the industry," Mr. Ruiz said in aniK interview ahead of Opteron's coming-out party in New York on Tuesday. "It's/> not a 'me-too' kind of product, it's a market-making product."  M   On Tuesday, AMD officially launched its entry into the server market, goingfI up against Intel Corp. (INTC), the dominant leader in the field. With itsn] technically advanced Opteron chip, AMD hopes  to stem its losses and return to profitability.n  K   Last September, the struggling chip maker, which has longed played second K fiddle to Intel,  announced a three-pronged strategy designed to return thehI company to profitability. After  slashing costs and increasing sales, the2G third part is to make a big push into 64-bit computing, Mr.  Ruiz said.a  I   The new chip, which is competitively priced against Intel's Xeon serversA chip, will lure customers  and make AMD "relevant," the CEO said.   I   Not only will customers be able to do 32-bit computing at a value, theyiN won't have to invest in new software when they switch to 64-bit computing, Mr.
 Ruiz said.  N   Opteron has received high marks from many analysts because of its ability toG process both 32-bit  and 64-bit data. Supporters hope its technological M advances and competitive price will erode  Intel's dominance. The company hasrH already gotten Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), Sun Microsystems  Inc. (SUNW) andG Oracle Corp. ( ORCL) to make programs compatible with Opteron. AMD alsotO announced that International Business Machines Corp. (IBM) has signed on board.l  M   Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ) and Dell Computer Corp. (DELL) may be long shots,a) given their  unwavering support of Intel.s  N   Still, Mr. Ruiz said every computer company is seriously looking at Opteron.H And with support  from IBM, the executive said Opteron will have a greatI impact on other computer companies.  There are only three huge enterprise51 companies, and IBM is the largest, Mr. Ruiz said.@  I   Still, many roadblocks lie ahead, including the weak economy and Intel.dJ Nevertheless, Mr. Ruiz is  steadfast in his belief in Opteron. He said theT chip will open a new market for AMD, adding to sales in the second half of the year.  N   While Mr. Ruiz admits the server market is very competitive, he is confident AMD will succeed.   1   "This is a big step up, not a gamble," he said.   L   During AMD's official launch of Opteron, executives from such companies asJ Microsoft, IBM and Oracle went on stage to say why their companies endorseM AMD's new server chip. All declared that Opteron with its dual 32-bit, 64-bitm5 processing will revolutionize the computing industry.   I   Still, the absence of H-P and Dell didn't go unnoticed. When asked in ayK press conference about H-P and Dell, Mr. Ruiz reiterated that most computer.N makers are looking at Opteron. There's "not a computer company in the world ofH any significance" that isn't considering using AMD's new chip,  he said.  N   Jerry Sanders, AMD's founder and chairman, added that with backing from IBM,7 it's only a matter of time before others jump on board.e  K   As for the timing of Opteron's launch, given the economy and geopoliticalaL events, Mr. Ruiz said that with tight information-technology budgets OpteronL will offer the best value. "One reason spending slowed down is the fact thatB technology is not delivering a bang for the buck," Mr. Ruiz  said.  L   AMD is so confident in the success of Opteron that executives said that byK the end of the year sales of Opteron will be higher than the total sales of 7 Intel's 64-bit processor since Intel launched the chip.0  L   "Intel is big, strong and wrong," said Mr. Sanders, "Intel can't stop us."  7   -By Donna Fuscaldo, Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-5253h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:11:51 GMTS# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>S< Subject: Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After CommentsI Message-ID: <HBfpa.128082$Vzu.12598@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>E  B "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in7 message news:20030420153609.7886.qmail@nym.alias.net...i >O: > John, want to make an OS security checklist with feature availability dates?d= > That would make a nice advert. (PS still received no mail).$  E Have sent a couple messages to your redneck.gacracker.org address viaoD hotmail. They have not been bounced, so either there is a problem or5 you are filtering Hotmail messages to the bit bucket.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:16:32 GMT'# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a< Subject: Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After CommentsI Message-ID: <4Gfpa.128183$Vzu.37022@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messageg, news:65CdnbQ7fvv-QDyjXTWcqg@metrocast.net... >'	 > Dubya'ssC > thugs have sacrificed *real* national interest (both the national2 securityB > benefits that would accrue from supporting development of a more secure< > OpenBSD that the government, including the military, makes significant useaE > of, and the ideological benefits of supporting freedom of speech byi actions B > as well as by lip-service) for petty, heavy-handed, and entirely > inappropriate retribution.    F Not unlike Hitler, who let pathological obsession of 'untermenchen' ofD all types and people who disagreed with his regime get in the way ofD the war effort. Had Germany utilized the 'resources' available to itC in a manner which was consistent with winning the war(s) it startedd. under Hitler, we'd all be speaking German now.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:58:05 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>< Subject: Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments/ Message-ID: <3EA59EBE.EDDB43BC@vl.videotron.ca>w  1 One issue not discussed (or that I haven't seen).f  I If you get a contract or a job, the guy paying the cheques will generally-* outline the "rules of engagement" to you.   L If DARPA didn't specify that as a result of the grant, the person was not toL make any public statements for/against USA policy, then the guys should haveM been free to speak out publicly about any matter that is not directly relatediK to whatever the deliverables to DARPA would be (or how Daropa would use theu stuff etc etc).    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2003 21:12:20 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>< Subject: Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments6 Message-ID: <20030422211220.17098.qmail@gacracker.org>  9 On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: C >"Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote ino8 >message news:20030420153609.7886.qmail@nym.alias.net... >>; >> John, want to make an OS security checklist with featurel >availability dates?> >> That would make a nice advert. (PS still received no mail). > F >Have sent a couple messages to your redneck.gacracker.org address viaE >hotmail. They have not been bounced, so either there is a problem ora6 >you are filtering Hotmail messages to the bit bucket.  I Mail is encrypted multiple times on the way from redneck to me, I have noe8 way of knowing if it is from hotmail until I decrypt it.  E As a last resort, you could try SYSTEM at one of the addresses below.-  H Or perhaps use a munged hushmail address so other people can contact you too?     Doc. -- )6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.nethK                                                    http://althacker.cjb.netr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:20:26 -04002* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>< Subject: Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments2 Message-ID: <YY2cnTY4PoWBLzijXTWcrg@metrocast.net>  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:jlOPecdwMcpi@eisner.encompasserve.org...b   ...n  I >    Agnew and others have proven that these high officials can get firedtD >    for it even without an election.  Only Bush has to actually getH >    caught doing something stupid to get fired in the middle of a term.  G That criterion has of course clearly been superbly satisfied many times G already.  But the organization legally in a position to initiate firing J proceedings seems nowhere nearly as inclined to treat Dubya's trampling onG the Bill of Rights and on treaty law (yes, he's allowed to *abrogate* a.J ratified treaty like the U.N. charter, but until he does so it's real U.S.I law - see Article 6, clause 2 of the Constitution) as seriously as it did H Clinton's dubious statements under oath about a strictly private matter.  I So it looks like any 'firing' will have to come from elsewhere, and there L are enough people whom his actions have *seriously* inconvenienced that thisL does not seem all that unlikely - not, of course, that I'm advocating such aK course of action (even though the Administration had no problem doing so intJ another context) since my impression is that to do so would technically beJ illegal.  However, I think that Tom Lehrer captured the sentiments of manyJ of us in a recent Australian interview when he stated, "I'm not tempted toK write a song about George W.Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I K would write.  That's the problem:  I don't want to satirise George Bush and I his puppeteers, I want to vaporise them."  For Tom's his sake I hope thatiJ expressing such a personal opinion - which could easily reflect at least aI bit of rhetorical embellishment - falls sufficiently outside the scope ofcK the law that the New Gestapo do not descend on him, but given their actionsi; to date I'm less confident of this than I would like to be.n   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:29:28 -0400D* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>< Subject: Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments2 Message-ID: <FAWdnXyxRL-nKTijXTWcpw@metrocast.net>  E Hmmm.  Dave seems to have recycled this from private email to which Ie< already responded, so I'll just recycle my response as well:  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message 7 news:95695b7c.0304220732.42c4abe9@posting.google.com...r   ...n   > Bill Todd wrote: >tK >  >If there's real evidence that that was planned I'd consider changing myiB >  >opinion:  got a solid reference?  All I read was that it was a get-togetherH >  >to brain-storm OpenBSD security improvements - though of course when peopleG >  >gather together in that kind of intense round-the-clock setting allu sorts of= >  >extraneous personal stuff may creep in from time to time.s >  >sF > Ok, took a while, and upon re-reading it wasn't quite exactly what I
 remembered > reading, but rather close.  < I'd say that's very much open to interpretation - see below.   >s* > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9030 >- > <Inquirer>I > BITING THE HAND that feeds you can be stupid sometimes. Especially whene thatH > hand is feeding you enough money to work from home at the thing you've alwaysI > wanted to do. Just a short while ago we wrote a story about how Theo de  Raadt,J > founder of OpenBSD, got a $2 million grant  from the US Defence AdvancedJ > Research Projects Agency (DARPA) that meant he and several other OpenBSD folkI > could afford to work on the project full time. Now part of that funding  has been > withdrawn. >eI > It's here that we get to the hand biting time. de Raadt decided that it  would beJ > a good idea to use the publicity surrounding the deal to condemn the war in > Iraq..  K Now we come to the interpretive part - more the writer's than yours in thisgL case.  My own guess, especially given the tone of the article as a whole andJ the Inquirer's rather spotty attitude toward strict accuracy in reporting,H is that the writer had no direct indication that Theo made any consciousK decision to leverage the publicity associated with the funding, but insteadcG placed that interpretation on what was merely a desire to make it cleareK during an interview resulting from that publicity that his association withaE DARPA in no way reflected support for the current actions of the U.S.e	 military.a  J  Perhaps logic outside of what happens inside the OpenBSD kernel isn't his > strong suit.  H My guess is rather that logic (as well as accuracy) isn't the reporter'sI strong suit.  But of course there's no way to be sure without asking him.e   >yF > DARPA, being a branch of the US military, was none too impressed. It decidediL > that some tighter controls were needed. It had a look at what was going on andML > has effectively pulled the plug on the OpenBSD Hackathon due to take place on > 8-20 May.h
 > </Inquirer>  >m* > "use the publicity surrounding the deal"  J Exactly.  Though even if that *had* been Theo's intent, it's not clear howG that would affect his ability to perform the work that had already beenr considered worthy of funding.    >aK > Ok, not what I remembered, but still a clear indication to allow DARPA tos fund% > him spreading his personal opinion.e  F Now, that's getting into the 'bullshit' category.  DARPA in no way wasI funding him to spread his opinion, just to perform useful work.  The factmB that this opinion got aired was a completely unfunded side-effect.  -   We are all entitled to our opinions, but weoG > are not entitled to have them advertized by others, most specificallyc	 those the  > opinions oppose.   DARPA was not advertizing them.    >S > Close enough?    Nope.s   >c > The real issue:q >e > <Inquirer>I >   So here's the low down. If you're a flag waving believer that the wari wassD > right, you can laugh at de Raadt for being so foolish. If you're a peacenikL > programmer with some cash to spare, you can keep an eye on OpenBSD.org for then > fundraiser when it happens.r
 > </Inquirer>o >l > It's not the funding cut,   9 That's true:  it's not the funding cut, in and of itself.s  	 > or why,a  . That's false:  'why' is *exactly* the problem.  ,  but people against the Iraq operation using5 > any straw they can grasp to condemn said operation.   L People don't have to grasp at straws, Dave:  they have international law (asH expressed in the U.N. charter's limitations on initiating war), U.S. lawL (that charter is incorporated into U.S. law by virtue of its ratification asK a treaty by the U.S. Senate - see Article 6, clause 2 of our Constitution),p? and the condemnation of both international institutions and theoI international community at large to point to.  All Theo did was make surenK that his own views (reflecting those of most Canadians, and for that mattersL most of the world's population) were on record when he was interviewed aboutH the DoD funding of his project:  that's called free speech (you may haveI heard of the concept, though whether the current Administration has is inn/ some doubt, given its attitude toward critics).    > K > It's interesting.  In researching the above I pulled up the entire thread  fromJ > GOOGLE.  There are more posts there than provided by my ISP.  Wonder how many& > times I don't get "the whole story".  J That used to happen sometimes with my old ISP too (haven't noticed it withI my current one).  My vague understanding of news propagation is that it's L tree-like in nature, with at least some provision for retries if a recipientG happens to be down initially - so I don't know why some posts still gett/ missed unless there's a lengthy visible outage.l   >rF > Seems more than a few people think that this was just one individual speakingD > his mind and getting dumped on for doing so.  That would be wrong.   Sounds right to me.u     I also don'tB > know where the second paragraph in the Inquirer piece came from,   Exactly.    so it'sI > probably still open as to whether it was just a single individual, or ae plan tot; > use DARPA (DOD) money to finance publicity attacking DOD.o  L Here's where your own interpretation starts going off the reservation.  EvenH leaving aside the question of where the author's detailed 'knowledge' ofH Theo's motivation came from, I can see *no suggestion whatsoever* in theH article of any possible wider 'conspiracy' than his personal expressionsI when interviewed (and later during discussions resulting from the fundings cut).s     But if the InquireroF > info is accurate, then asking DOD to finance this publicity goes far beyond > freedom of speach.  J You seem once again to be confused.  'Financing' requires funding, and theI only funding DoD was doing was to perform work on OpenBSD.  The fact thatlF this action *received* publicity was irrelevant to the funding and its purpose.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:59:23 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>8 Subject: Re: Restore of older version from newer version. Message-ID: <3EA54ABB.25969.E1DB9D6@localhost>  F >  Got a situation where we've had to restore a VMS V7.2 bootable diskF > from a VMS V7.3 CD and it won't boot.  It does if we restore it from> > the V7.2 CD.  Anyone have any ideas about what is being done > incorrectly?  Thanks!   E Some behaviors of BACKUP changed in the VMS 7 series.  Assuming that  9 you're restoring DKA100 from tape MUA0, do the following:V   1.  INIT DKA0 labels 2.  MOUNT/FOREIGN DKA01 3.  BACKUP/IMAGE/LOG/NOINIT/NOALIAS MUA0: DKA100:l  E The "/NOINIT/NOALIAS" switches are needed to keep the cluster factor -& standard and to process all the files.  
 --Stan Quayle5 Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:28:29 +0200 ( From: "Philip Lewis" <philip@nospam.com>; Subject: Re: Useless hard disk RZ29B-W information - Jensen - Message-ID: <b8456k$2n5j$1@news.cybercity.dk>e   Hoff Hoffman wrote:pC > In article <3EA49172.A0361FB0@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers % > <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:l >> Philip Lewis wrote: >>> + >>> For any budding Jensen users out there.a >>>u= >>> I tried to put an RZ29B-W with an an adapter on the 1742Aa >>> controller in myH >>> Jensen (the only device on the cable).  It was not recognised by theE >>> firmware/card/whatever using show SHOW DEV, even though the driveM >>> made allG >>> the right sounds while the machine went through self test.  I guessa >>> itC >>> cannot deal with the wide to narrow conversion and termination.e >>> Too bad,G >>> as I intended to install VMS on that disk, since the 2.1GB died andM+ >>> the 1GB disks are too small these days.d >>C >> The 1742A is a narrow controller.  The RZ29B-VW is a wide drive.t >>G >> How are you terminating the upper byte of the bus?  What is the SCSIc >> IDl >> of the drive? >MG >   You'd need to use a low-numbered SCSI address, and a narrow-to-wideeF >   adapter.  Most recent narrow devices and all wide devices are wideH >   friendly -- older narrow devices tend to be a problem on wide buses,1 >   as they can clamp what they should not clamp.i >o  L The Adaptec is zero IIRC, and the drive is set to one.  Obviously, I have an? adapter, which is supposed to deal with the extra terminations.   @ >   The DEC 2000 model 300 (and model 500, and the DECpc 150 AXPG >   variant) series implementation with the Adaptec 1742A controller iseE >   an extremely sensitive storage configuration, and particularly toOD >   SCSI cable lengths and cable relections.  You cannot have a SCSID >   bus with drives both inside and outside the box, for instance --E >   the resulting configuration will not be particularly reliable nortB >   stable.  (The Adaptec 1740 and 1742A are both fast-capable andF >   (IIRC) SCSI-2, meaning the cable length is limited to 3 meters andF >   proper termination is critical -- and in my experience, a SCSI busF >   even approaching the rated bus length is often questionable in its > reliability.)  >h  K I used to run it with NT with 3 devices internally and 3 externally withoutdI problems.  I could never get 4 internally to work though, the last one onp the cable was never seen.k  F >   I have no idea if anyone has tried using a Jensen with more recentG >   disks, but I'd be cautious about the cooling whenever using a newer.E >   SCSI disk inside an older enclosure.  These older enclosures tendeE >   to cook drives. My preference would be for an external enclosure,iB >   and particularly one that is rated for the (usually newer, and > often hotter) SCSI drive.e >dG >   I also have no idea if you have a chance of getting anything as newiB >   as an RZ29 -- narrow or wide -- working on this platform.  TheF >   following are the typical drives: RZ24L, RZ25, RZ25L, RZ26, RZ26L, > and RZ28.s  K I had an RZ28 and it died.  I "acquired" the RZ29W for replacement, just too: see if it would fly - as I have heard that it should work.   >m* >   The Adaptec firmware ROMs must be G.1. >o  1 Mine is actually G2, and my spare is controller Gu  B >   The default terminator pack location is inside the box, on theD >   Adaptec board.  (Many tend to get pulled and pitched in favor of5 >   external SCSI termination, but every so often...)l >e   It is blocked.  D >   As this system is centrally EISA, you'll need to acquire the ECUF >   tool. (This floppy has to be ordered if you don't already have it,F >   as the encumbrances preclude offering it via direct FTP download.) >u  L I have all this and it works fine.  This was an NT machine for years with noL problems on the EISA side, and I have the original disk and latest CFG files for VMS.  H >   I'd toss this box in favor of an AlphaStation or AlphaServer and PCIE >   bus I/O.  (Operating with the EISA bus is too much like work. :-)e ><  H Ah, as a "trailing edge" sort of guy, it is sort of fun to get these oldL boxes to work.  Plus, the only cost is my time, of which I have plenty sinceD I became unemployed :-( another victim of the VMS demise.  Since theE WindowsNT/Alpha debacle and the subsequent  termination of Alpha withsJ extreme prejudice, I have shied away from acquiring a new one.  I actuallyL had one on order when CompaQ and MS had the spat over NT, and I was one of I( suspect many, who cancelled their order.  E The only Alpha I would consider these days is a free one, and I doubtcK whether small Itanics will ever be produced, so my Jensen will be my first, J only and last Alpha and certainly my last VMS machine.  A career change is	 imminent!a  J Yes I know 7.3-1 is not supported, but I have had it up and runnning OK on; this machine using another disk, so I will take my chances.m  E Anyway, the RZ29W still failed to work though, so I guess this little K experiment goes into the failed bucket.  Anyone want a cheap narrow to wideu	 adapter ?t   philip2 >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h>D >       ----------------------------- For additional, please see theD >  OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com ---------------------------@ >         pure personal opinion --------------------------- Hoff: > (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:54:59 +0200_< From: "laurent Damay" <REMOVElolobrinNO@PUBclub-internet.fr># Subject: [HELP WANTED] cpu 21066(a) < Message-ID: <3ea59d84$0$1507$7a628cd7@news.club-internet.fr>   Hi,o  K My old (good) station AXPpci 33 (noname) planted on boot.  I think that the.K processor died.  Somebody (in europe ?) has a processor 21066(a) 166 or 233c1 MHz. ? (little price, please, i'm just hobbyist )   & Sorry for my poor english (I'm french)  
 Laurent Damayo  ) please remove REMOVE*NO@PUB* on my adressm   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:16:04 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> > Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?' Message-ID: <3EA60574.FE017E1F@fsi.net>-   Howard Taylor wrote: >  > How about: > ? > $ pipe analyze/image 'filename | search sys$input "image filef > identification"R  G Now, get that into a symbol so it can be examined by "mainstream" code.f   -- e David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.223 ************************