1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 24 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 225       Contents:) accessing consoles remotely via decserver - Re: accessing consoles remotely via decserver B Re: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into cluster% Re: BACKUP qualifiers: bug or feature % Re: BACKUP qualifiers: bug or feature % Re: BACKUP qualifiers: bug or feature $ Bugs already appear in oopsteron ... Re: Carbonless Printers  Re: Carbonless Printers  Re: DECdoc an EPS files. Re: DECdoc an EPS files. Re: DECdoc an EPS files. Re: DECdoc an EPS files. Re: DECdoc an EPS files.# how can you do this with SMG$ calls ' Re: how can you do this with SMG$ calls H Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly. IO$M_WRTATTN/IO$M_READATTN and terminal driver% Re: Job Opportunity - Toronto, Canada % Re: Job Opportunity - Toronto, Canada  Modem on Decserver Re: Modem on Decserver RE: Modem on Decserver Re: Modem on Decserver Re: Modem on Decserver9 Re: ODS2: Relation between cluster size and maximum files 9 Re: ODS2: Relation between cluster size and maximum files  Re: OpenVMS and MUMPS 2 OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!2 OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!  Re: OpenVMS marketing in Belgium  Re: OpenVMS marketing in Belgium RE: Oracle & OpenVMS Re: Oracle & OpenVMS Re: Oracle & OpenVMS3 Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments  Re: PRODUCT "UNREGISTER" Re: PRODUCT "UNREGISTER" Re: PRODUCT "UNREGISTER" Re: PRODUCT "UNREGISTER" Re: UCX PROBLEM . Re: UK "Computing" registration - Mentions VMS. Re: UK "Computing" registration - Mentions VMS5 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ? 5 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ? 5 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ? 5 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 17:27:49 -0700  From: nmanser@progis.de (Manser)2 Subject: accessing consoles remotely via decserver= Message-ID: <2178d61f.0304231627.42197483@posting.google.com>    hi VMS users  M I want to access the consoles (opa0) of my servers remotely over a decserver   90TL  L my cluster consists of 2 nodes (al01,al05) and a decserver DS90tl connected  on the same lan segment.  + on port 1 is the console port of the ds90tl 9 on port 2 is connected to the console port of al01 (opa0) 9 on port 3 is connected to the console port of al05 (opa0)   & Here are the settings of the port1 - 3   local> show server    G DECserver 90TL V1.1C BL46-13  LAT V5.1  ROM 2.0.0  Uptime:  17 08:56:00   G Address:   08-00-2B-A0-F1-6D   Name:   DS90_1             Number:     0    Identification:   C Circuit Timer:            80           Password Limit:            3 B Console Port:              1           Prompt:             Befehl>C Inactivity Timer:         30           Queue Limit:             100 C Keepalive Timer:          20           Retransmit Limit:          8 C Multicast Timer:          30           Session Limit:            64 C Node Limit:              200           Software:             MNENG1    Service Groups:   0    Enabled Characteristics: Announcements,  Dump,  Lock      local> show services char   
 Service: AL01    Identification:  AL01 - OPA0  	 Ports:  2    Rating: 255    Enabled Characteristics:   Connections       
 Service: AL02   * Identification:  AL02 bereit unter OpenVMS      
 Service: AL04   * Identification:  AL04 bereit unter OpenVMS      
 Service: AL05    Identification:  AL05 - OPA0  	 Ports:  3    Rating: 255    Enabled Characteristics:   Connections      local> show ports 1-3     5 Port  1: CONSOLE                       Server: DS90_1   F Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               9600F Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:              9600F Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        Disabled Stop Bits:           Dynamic  F Access:                Local           Local Switch:              NoneF Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_1F Break:                 Local           Session Limit:                7F Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      Ansi Default Protocol:        LAT   Preferred Service: FRA   Authorized Groups:   0 (Current)  Groups:   0   Enabled Characteristics:; Autobaud,  Autoconnect,  Autoprompt,  Broadcast,  Failover, > Input Flow Control,  Lock,  Loss Notification,  Message Codes,2 Multisessions,  Output Flow Control,  Verification  5 Port  2:                               Server: DS90_1   F Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               9600F Flow Control:           None           Output Speed:              9600F Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        Disabled Stop Bits:                 1  F Access:               Remote           Local Switch:              NoneF Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_2F Break:              Disabled           Session Limit:                1F Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      Ansi Default Protocol:        LAT   Dedicated Service: AL01    Authorized Groups:   0 (Current)  Groups:   0   Enabled Characteristics:3 Autoconnect,  Failover,  Lock,  Remote Modification   5 Port  3:                               Server: DS90_1   F Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               9600F Flow Control:           None           Output Speed:              9600F Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        Disabled Stop Bits:                 1  F Access:               Remote           Local Switch:              NoneF Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_3F Break:              Disabled           Session Limit:                1F Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      Ansi Default Protocol:        LAT   Dedicated Service: AL05    Authorized Groups:   0 (Current)  Groups:   0   Enabled Characteristics:, Autoconnect,  Failover,  Lock,  Signal Check   local>list port 1-3   5 Port  1: CONSOLE                       Server: DS90_1   F Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               9600F Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:              9600F Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        Disabled Stop Bits:           Dynamic  F Access:                Local           Local Switch:              NoneF Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_1F Break:                 Local           Session Limit:                7F Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      Ansi Default Protocol:        LAT   Preferred Service: FRA   Authorized Groups:   0   Enabled Characteristics:; Autobaud,  Autoconnect,  Autoprompt,  Broadcast,  Failover, > Input Flow Control,  Lock,  Loss Notification,  Message Codes,2 Multisessions,  Output Flow Control,  Verification  5 Port  2:                               Server: DS90_1   F Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               9600F Flow Control:           None           Output Speed:              9600F Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        Disabled Stop Bits:                 1  F Access:               Remote           Local Switch:              None, Backwards Switch:       None           Name:F Break:              Disabled           Session Limit:                1F Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      Ansi Default Protocol:        LAT   Dedicated Service: AL01    Authorized Groups:   0   Enabled Characteristics:3 Autoconnect,  Failover,  Lock,  Remote Modification   5 Port  3:                               Server: DS90_1   F Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               9600F Flow Control:           None           Output Speed:              9600F Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        Disabled Stop Bits:                 1  F Access:               Remote           Local Switch:              None, Backwards Switch:       None           Name:F Break:              Disabled           Session Limit:                1F Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      Ansi Default Protocol:        LAT   Dedicated Service: AL05    Authorized Groups:   0   Enabled Characteristics:, Autoconnect,  Failover,  Lock,  Signal Check  < when i try to connect to the console al01 i get only garbage   Local> connect al01 8 Local -010- Session 1 to AL01 on node DS90_1 established! 0~bS# .                                  $5|0Fʬ  $ can anyone tell me what's going on ? any help will be appreciated.    Nazim Manser   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:59:03 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>6 Subject: Re: accessing consoles remotely via decserver/ Message-ID: <3EA736C1.1728E83F@vl.videotron.ca>   
 Manser wrote: > > when i try to connect to the console al01 i get only garbage >  > Local> connect al01 : > Local -010- Session 1 to AL01 on node DS90_1 established# > 0~bS# 0 >                                  $5|0Fʬ    L What is the actual baud rate for the OAP0: ports ? Could it have been set to another speed than 9600 baud ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:21:40 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>K Subject: Re: AlphaStation 500 DE500 set to 100mbit not booting into cluster F Message-ID: <UlEpa.38913$4P1.3539328@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>   Check the NIC with lancp   $ MCR LANCP  current  LANCP> show device /char	 permanent  LANCP > list device /char      --     Andy Bustamante  Remove the ascii 95s to reply     9 "Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@PROBE.mitre.org> wrote in message ( news:b85uql$gup$1@newslocal.mitre.org.... > trothf <trothf@boeing.com> writes in articleC <3EA5BDAA.703AED77@boeing.com> dated Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:09:46 GMT: J > >The original enet port is rj45 also.  Is there an rj45 terminator, too? > C > The Alphastation 500s I have seen usually have both RJ45 and coax ) > connections on their built-in ethernet.  > I > It's a loopback connector -- not exactly a terminator, but it sometimes  getsK > things working.  A temporary substitute if you don't have one handy would  beI > to plug the old interface into an otherwise empty (but powered on) hub.  > - > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org @ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:07:34 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton). Subject: Re: BACKUP qualifiers: bug or feature. Message-ID: <GDApa.319366$OV.353761@rwcrnsc54>  w In article <01KV2U5EUSE0A9SJ2F@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: ) >This command looks OK at a quick glance:  > 0 >   $  BACKUP BIG_FILE.BCK/SELECT=SMALL_FILE.DAT >  >but actually it should be   > 9 >   $  BACKUP BIG_FILE.BCK/SAVE_SET/SELECT=SMALL_FILE.DAT  > @ >Of course, /SELECT doesn't make any sense without the /SAVE_SETG >qualifier.  The first command doesn't give an error or even a warning, B >however.  Rather, the /SELECT is silently ignored and BIG_FILE is	 >copied.   >  >Bug or feature?  L I say feature, since the /SELECT qualifier is ignored - the qualifier has no' meaning without the SAVE_SET qualifier.   % In effect, as I read the on-line help   , $  BACKUP BIG_FILE.BCK/SELECT=SMALL_FILE.DAT   equals   $  BACKUP BIG_FILE.BCK   which equals   $  BACKUP BIG_FILE.BCK *.*   which is the behavior observed.    IMO.  A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:50:31 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> . Subject: Re: BACKUP qualifiers: bug or feature; Message-ID: <01KV2WDV7XG6A9SJ2F@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   G > I say feature, since the /SELECT qualifier is ignored - the qualifier 1 > has no meaning without the SAVE_SET qualifier.   > ' > In effect, as I read the on-line help  > . > $  BACKUP BIG_FILE.BCK/SELECT=SMALL_FILE.DAT >  > equals >  > $  BACKUP BIG_FILE.BCK >  > which equals >  > $  BACKUP BIG_FILE.BCK *.* > ! > which is the behavior observed.   ? I agree completely.  However, there are commands---perhaps even B BACKUP---which issue a "conflicting qualifiers" warning.  OK, the G situation here is a bit different.  There is also the case where /EXEC  G with DEFINE is silently ignored if there aren't enough privs, but this  8 is documented.  OK, also a slightly different situation.   MOUNT, for example, says:   ;      The /SYSTEM qualifier is incompatible with the /GROUP, 5      /OVERRIDE=IDENTIFICATION, and /SHARE qualifiers.   D and IIRC a message appears if one tries it.  This seems better than ? silently ignoring one of the qualifiers if there is a conflict.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:15:03 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton). Subject: Re: BACKUP qualifiers: bug or feature= Message-ID: <XCBpa.57401$Si4.41070@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>   w In article <01KV2WDV7XG6A9SJ2F@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:  <snip>@ >I agree completely.  However, there are commands---perhaps evenC >BACKUP---which issue a "conflicting qualifiers" warning.  OK, the  H >situation here is a bit different.  There is also the case where /EXEC H >with DEFINE is silently ignored if there aren't enough privs, but this 9 >is documented.  OK, also a slightly different situation.  >  >MOUNT, for example, says: > < >     The /SYSTEM qualifier is incompatible with the /GROUP,6 >     /OVERRIDE=IDENTIFICATION, and /SHARE qualifiers. > E >and IIRC a message appears if one tries it.  This seems better than  @ >silently ignoring one of the qualifiers if there is a conflict.  N I agree that BACKUP should "complain" in some fashion.  I don't have a serviceJ contract.  Is there a way to submit a request? (isn't there another thread about this very subject?	:-))   A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 18:45:44 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)- Subject: Bugs already appear in oopsteron ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304231745.2ebac3b3@posting.google.com>    not as good as alpha ...  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9098   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:21:13 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Carbonless Printers/ Message-ID: <3EA6F5B5.63015AA9@vl.videotron.ca>    "La Roche, Michael" wrote: > N > What we are looking at is multipart paper so you only have to line up 3 or 4N > copies of the same sheets and have the person sign or handwritten on the topL > and they go through all 3 or 4 sheets, instead of having to handwritten onL > each sheet.  I know the old impact printers have multipart forms but I was > looking for a quieter option.   L I am not sure that carbon-less paper would survive the trip through the heatM rollers (fuser) or the laser printer. Ink Jet may be more kind to such paper.   N You'd have to contact a company that specialises in business forms to ask them9 about such paper and their suitability to laser printers.   M If you print multiple copies of the same page and then hope to assemble/align J them for signature, it will require a lot of manual work to assemble thoseI "carbons" together, and is prone to error. What happens if you have the 3 M pages of John Doe's form and the 4th's page is really the first page of Jonny L Depp ?  John Does will sign it, but the last page will have another person'sN information on it. And Jonny Depp's stack will have someone else first page as his last page.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:25:27 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Carbonless Printers/ Message-ID: <3EA6F6B3.3F5D6CB7@vl.videotron.ca>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > not do it, unless K > you plan to print each page separately on carbonless paper, then assemble  > the   > sets for later carbonless use.  K If you have a set of 4 pages, then you'd want to have 3 "carbonless" pages, L followed by a regular sheet of paper. You don't want the last sheet to writeM the signature onto whatever the paper is on at the time the signature occurs.   H Just as a silly idea, how about printing one copy of the form on regularK paper. After signature, you scan the sheet and print 3 copies (and possibly  keep a copy on-line).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:14:27 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: Re: DECdoc an EPS files. / Message-ID: <3EA6F420.343E7D2D@vl.videotron.ca>    Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: 4 > Does anyone have a pointer to some tool to convert8 > "normal" PC graphic files (JPG, GIF, BMP, whatever) to4 > the EPS format that DECdoc needs ? I'd prefer a PC	 > tool...   N Any half decent image editor has the ability to export the image to EPS formatV (you may have to choose a postscript printer driver to gain access to those features).  H If you have illustrator or freehand, those can also output EPS (however,N select just the object (image) you want to export, otherwise they's export the whole page.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:41:49 -0400 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> ! Subject: Re: DECdoc an EPS files. ' Message-ID: <3EA6FA8D.90D608DF@vcu.edu>   D if you mean (encapulated postscript), irfanview will do it for you..   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  >  > Hi. 4 > Does anyone have a pointer to some tool to convert8 > "normal" PC graphic files (JPG, GIF, BMP, whatever) to4 > the EPS format that DECdoc needs ? I'd prefer a PC	 > tool...  >  > Jan-Erik Sderhohlm.   --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:36:27 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ! Subject: Re: DECdoc an EPS files. ' Message-ID: <3EA6DD2B.17DD4C6C@aaa.com>   H Yes, I have played around with the printer drivers (HP LJ 5MX, i think),A but gets all sort of "interesting" problems with the PS file that D DECdoc produces. The DECdoc "run" inself runs without error, but theH PDF driver in Ghostscript (VMS) gives errors, and Acrobat Destiller (PC)G gives othter error (well, did beforoe also, b.t.w). A copy of Ghostview 3 for Windows gives a number of still other errors...   4 Well well, thanks anyway, I'll keep experimenting...  	 Jan-Erik.      John Smith wrote:  > C > I recollect that if you 'install' a Postcript printer driver (say B > Apple Laserwriter), then it will be presented as a valid printerC > choice. Open your .jpg image in your image editor and then select B > File->Print.  Choose the Laserwriter printer. Within the printer@ > options dialog there is an option to output to an EPS file you
 > specify.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:06:27 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: Re: DECdoc an EPS files. / Message-ID: <3EA72A6F.B282696C@vl.videotron.ca>    Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: F > DECdoc produces. The DECdoc "run" inself runs without error, but theJ > PDF driver in Ghostscript (VMS) gives errors, and Acrobat Destiller (PC)  K VAX document simply embeds the EPS file into the resulting postscript and I ; guess it wouldn't really check for EPS standard compliance.   L But the distiller or a printer actually tries to execute this and would then. find errors if your EPS file is non compliant.  	 EPS != PS   M A postscript file describes a page (or pages). And EPS file contains a single J object (may be a compound object made of different things, and such object applies only to one page.   H When you print the image, you really need to look for EPS as output fileK format. Printing to Postscript file won't generate a valid EPS header. (you W could however then eduit the PS file and apply an EPS header instead of the PS header).   I Here is a sample EPS from soem of the presentatiosn I have made (just the L header). Note the BoundingBox which si important (it defines the size of theF object included in the EPS so that the software can properly scale it)   %!PS-Adobe-3.0 EPSF-3.0 & %%Creator: Adobe Photoshop Version 3.0 %%Title: PME.EPS %%CreationDate: 26/02/97 19:44 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 510 341% %%HiResBoundingBox: 0 0 510.48 340.56  %%SuppressDotGainCompensation 
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 %%EndSetup   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:02:18 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: DECdoc an EPS files. I Message-ID: <_sIpa.162868$jVh.93107@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   F You may have better results using an Apple Laserwriter driver than theC HP ones. I recall that I HAD to use the Apple one to eliminate some F problems but I can't recall exactly which they were..more than 8 yearsB ago now. I think it was a case of Apple adhering to the 'standard'- better than HP (HP had their own 'standard').     3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3EA6DD2B.17DD4C6C@aaa.com... B > Yes, I have played around with the printer drivers (HP LJ 5MX, i think), C > but gets all sort of "interesting" problems with the PS file that F > DECdoc produces. The DECdoc "run" inself runs without error, but theE > PDF driver in Ghostscript (VMS) gives errors, and Acrobat Destiller  (PC)? > gives othter error (well, did beforoe also, b.t.w). A copy of 	 Ghostview 5 > for Windows gives a number of still other errors...  > 6 > Well well, thanks anyway, I'll keep experimenting... >  > Jan-Erik.  >  >  > John Smith wrote:  > > E > > I recollect that if you 'install' a Postcript printer driver (say D > > Apple Laserwriter), then it will be presented as a valid printerE > > choice. Open your .jpg image in your image editor and then select D > > File->Print.  Choose the Laserwriter printer. Within the printerB > > options dialog there is an option to output to an EPS file you > > specify.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 14:54:14 -0700& From: chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG), Subject: how can you do this with SMG$ calls= Message-ID: <dd3f0cb7.0304231354.67818227@posting.google.com>   F I have an old program that monitors an application and uses the screenC management routines to display and continually update its state.  I C needed the screen to show when anything has changed since launching ' the monitor program by highlighting it.   @ I know it would be possible to have the program remember all theD original states; do a comparison with the current states; and eitherE set the rendition of each character based on the comparison or change F the default rendition and only write out the characters that changed. D However that's a lot of data to keep track of and compare against on every update interval.  F So what this program does is it continually updates the entire displayC with SMG$PUT_LINEs, but after the first pass it writes out the ANSI E escape sequence for reverse video directly to SYS$OUTPUT.  With SMG's C display update batching calls and minimal update mode, the parts of ? the screen that have changed on any later SMG$PUT_LINE call are 6 highlighted and the parts that haven't are left alone.  ? The obvious problems are that since SMG$ doesn't know about the C reverse video I can't have it refresh the screen.  Also redirecting 8 the output to a DecWindows terminal window is difficult.  F My question is: Is there a way to tell SMG$ to do this "highlight onlyC the changed areas" itself?  If I change the default rendition after D the first pass it repaints the entire SMG$PUT_LINE output in the new
 rendition.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:12:45 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 0 Subject: Re: how can you do this with SMG$ calls0 Message-ID: <xdEpa.298$Ys4.202@news.cpqcorp.net>  f In article <dd3f0cb7.0304231354.67818227@posting.google.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes:    G :My question is: Is there a way to tell SMG$ to do this "highlight only D :the changed areas" itself?  If I change the default rendition afterE :the first pass it repaints the entire SMG$PUT_LINE output in the new  :rendition.   C   How would SMG know what is changed?  You can certainly toggle the D   rendition in the smg$put_line call, but SMG lacks a Do-What-I-MeanC   option.  :-)   The application has to track the highlight status  A   directly, possibly by using a display state table or other such A   data structure.  (Also take a look at smg$change_rendition, as  A   that might help here -- but again, you have to have some way to +   identify to SMG what you want to change.)   H   You appear aware of the implications of bypassing SMG and using directE   I/O targeting the display, so I won't detail those here.  (If folks G   wish details on this, check the SMG documentation on this topic.  The G   display can become corrupted, as SMG does not actually know about the )   real contents of a `bypassed' display.)   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 12:47:39 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly 3 Message-ID: <MqGV2tpTOhRT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <b86fm6$f9j$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes:   M > Although the informal approach of posting to VMS development folks who post Q > here is a reasonable solution for veterans of this newsgroup. Newcomers will be . > left trying to work out who to send mail to.  ' They could always ask in the newsgroup.   L > It would be much better to have a formal reporting email address (or otherN > method) not associated with any particular person but open to anyone with or > without a support contract.   A There is a formal address, but it happens to have the name of the ) fellow who send out the security notices.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:49:15 +0200 6 From: als@usenet.thangorodrim.de (Alexander Schreiber)Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly 0 Message-ID: <slrnbado1c.cad.als@thangorodrim.de>  , jmfbahciv@aol.com <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote: > ? >In the bad old days of Cold War and pride in one's work, there = >wasn't any wait if we could 1. reproduce it and 2. patch it. : >If it wasn't patchable, we figured out some workaround.    B Proud workmanship is busy going out of fashion. Adding new, shiny,G colorful and ultimately useless bells and whistles to the product seems F to be _way_ more important than fixing bugs, especially security bugs.  G >I can't recall, but weren't security holes also contractual violations > >of some sort or other?  We sure didn't install holey softwareA >on the government sites.   Getting on the government's shit list  >used to be loss of business.   E This doesn't seem to work anymore. Unfortunately, people seem to have F gotten so used to unstable, unreliable and just plain broken hard- andA software that this seems to be considered the norm instead of the 
 exception.   Regards,        Alex. --  K "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and K  looks like work."                                      -- Thomas A. Edison    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 20:18:34 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly 6 Message-ID: <20030423201834.30585.qmail@gacracker.org>  E On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, als@usenet.thangorodrim.de (Alexander Schreiber)  wrote:- >jmfbahciv@aol.com <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:   H >>I can't recall, but weren't security holes also contractual violations? >>of some sort or other?  We sure didn't install holey software B >>on the government sites.   Getting on the government's shit list >>used to be loss of business. > F >This doesn't seem to work anymore. Unfortunately, people seem to haveG >gotten so used to unstable, unreliable and just plain broken hard- and B >software that this seems to be considered the norm instead of the >exception.   F Many companies don't see anything wrong with delivering something thatK doesn't work as advertised. They then employ licensing terms that would put K Satan's legal team to shame in an effort to tell you that you have no right  to complain.  F Aiming a double-barrelled law firm in their direction often solves theK problem, but it shouldn't exist in the first place. Software is supposed to 7 hide complexity, not introduce additional layers of it.      Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net K                                                    http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 03 09:42:43 -0800/ From: "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly 4 Message-ID: <1342.243T2163T5825224@kltpzyxm.invalid>  H In article <b862k1$d4r$2@bob.news.rcn.net> jmfbahciv@aol.com (jmfbahciv) writes:   - > In article <b86053$dls$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, . > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote: > H >> In article <b85qca$l34$3@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: >>B >>> Now, think about that.  How do you tell your customers about aE >>> security risk so they can get the patch installed without telling 2 >>> the whole world which, by definition, is them. >>H >> You tell them that there is a serious problem with xxxx and that theyF >> must apply this fix but you do NOT go into the exact details of theF >> problem and in particular you DO NOT (as many of the security lists2 >> unfortunately do) publicise an example exploit. > ? > No, sir.  If I tell you to do something because I said it was > > good for you and you do it, then you're a fool....especially  > if it has to do with software.  " Nah, you're just a Microsoft user.  B I think it's time to repost the story of Robin Hood and Friar TuckF in the Xerox shop.  Sometimes the only way to get a problem recognized/ is to beat people over the head with it.  Hard.    --, /~\  cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)= \ /  I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. @  X   Top-posted messages will probably be ignored.  See RFC1855.F / \  HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored.  Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:38:51 +0100 D From: "Rupert Pigott" <roo@dark-try-removing-this-boong.demon.co.uk>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly 2 Message-ID: <1051137531.914764@saucer.planet.gong>  J <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message news:b8627i$d4r$1@bob.news.rcn.net...   [SNIP]  @ > In the bad old days of Cold War and pride in one's work, there> > wasn't any wait if we could 1. reproduce it and 2. patch it.9 > If it wasn't patchable, we figured out some workaround.   8 Sadly that would be the exception and AFAICT for certain7 classes of software this has been the case for at least 	 20 years.   H > I can't recall, but weren't security holes also contractual violations? > of some sort or other?  We sure didn't install holey software2B > on the government sites.   Getting on the government's shit list > used to be loss of business.  9 The Internet has also opened up a lot of holes that wouldt6 have otherwise gone unnoticed - the last 20 years have9 been interesting times for security people. The concern Ii9 have is that *internal* security is not been given enough 5 attention because attacks from *external* sources are  getting all the limelight.   Cheers,  Rupert   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:21:35 -0400.( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyo, Message-ID: <3EA74A2F.3060109@tsoft-inc.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  [ > In article <b86fm6$f9j$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes:  >  > M >>Although the informal approach of posting to VMS development folks who post Q >>here is a reasonable solution for veterans of this newsgroup. Newcomers will beA. >>left trying to work out who to send mail to. >> > ) > They could always ask in the newsgroup.c >  > L >>It would be much better to have a formal reporting email address (or otherN >>method) not associated with any particular person but open to anyone with or >>without a support contract.c >> > C > There is a formal address, but it happens to have the name of ther+ > fellow who send out the security notices.     N Larry's comments about spam are correct.  What good is an e-mail address that : gets spam bombed and real reports are lost in the clutter.  P I posted a suggestion on the VMS pages of the HP web site that a reporting form N for SPRs should be somewhere on the pages.  Such should be relatively free of P junk, and is a positive approach rather than count on c.o.v being monitored, or # sending reports to VMS development.C   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2003 04:56:08 GMT From: stremler@rohan.sdsu.eduCQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly-* Message-ID: <b87qp8$p9k$1@gondor.sdsu.edu>  H In alt.folklore.computers Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: [snip]D > I think it's time to repost the story of Robin Hood and Friar TuckH > in the Xerox shop.  Sometimes the only way to get a problem recognized1 > is to beat people over the head with it.  Hard.d   Alas, that's probably illegal.  > It's a sad time when the Right Thing To Do is Against The Law.   -- mL  --Stewart Stremler--------------------------------stremler@rohan.sdsu.edu--E    "Emacs is a nice operating system, but Linux has a better editor." J                                                            -Neil Schneider   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 11:32:14 -0700. From: mejde@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Ejdestig)7 Subject: IO$M_WRTATTN/IO$M_READATTN and terminal driver = Message-ID: <4687034c.0304231032.482d8f38@posting.google.com>s   Hi  C I'm trying to implement a poll()/select() like function. Setting up F asts using sys$qio(), IO$_SETMODE and IO$M_WRTATTN/IO$M_READATTN works@ with mailboxes and TCP/IP sockets. However, it doesn't work with terminal channels.  = To put it short, how do I set up an unsolicited ast against a6	 terminal?m     Martin Ejdestig    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:22:01 -0400h< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>. Subject: Re: Job Opportunity - Toronto, Canada5 Message-ID: <b86lld$6ri2q$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>e   John Smith wrote:  >..c; > RT used to be a client of mine waaay waaay back for fixedu income; > portfolio analytics. Did you know Don Webster and Maureent
 Stapleton?  9 Yup and yup, they were both VP's at CIA, along with Peter:= Larkin (Canadian Equities) and John North (Foreign Equities). = Peter R.  (I can not remember how to spell his last name) was < my boss, he was Director of Operations then became the VP of9 Operations shortly after we moved to York Street from the ( black tower. Are you A.S. by any chance?  7 > I have a funny feeling we may have met at one time oro another. You; > were at one of the steel co's weren't you? One was also aL	 client of  > mine.S  ' Stelco in Hamilton or Atlas in Welland?    -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. ) Serving Southern Ontario/Western New Yorki   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:16:29 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t. Subject: Re: Job Opportunity - Toronto, CanadaI Message-ID: <NoDpa.115221$BQi.75957@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>u  ? "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote inl7 message news:b86lld$6ri2q$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de...u > John Smith wrote:F > >..t= > > RT used to be a client of mine waaay waaay back for fixedr > income= > > portfolio analytics. Did you know Don Webster and Maureen  > Stapleton? >w; > Yup and yup, they were both VP's at CIA, along with Peter ? > Larkin (Canadian Equities) and John North (Foreign Equities). ? > Peter R.  (I can not remember how to spell his last name) was > > my boss, he was Director of Operations then became the VP of; > Operations shortly after we moved to York Street from thea* > black tower. Are you A.S. by any chance?   Nope.   C I knew Larkin and North just in passing, as by then my professional A focus was fixed income. I can't recall Peter's last name now, and0F there was somebody higher up than Webster whom I cannot recall. I alsoB knew some other people who became involved at RT after the move to York St.     > 9 > > I have a funny feeling we may have met at one time or  > another. You= > > were at one of the steel co's weren't you? One was also a  > client ofu	 > > mine.  > ) > Stelco in Hamilton or Atlas in Welland?   C Dofasco Pension Fund. I tried to get Stelco as a client but was not % successful with them - too cheap. ;-)L   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:29:12 GMTm& From: "John Hayes" <hayes1966@cox.net> Subject: Modem on DecserverS: Message-ID: <cQBpa.147068$It5.91684@news2.central.cox.net>  H I am trying to hook a multitech modem up to a decserver 90m for dial outK only. I did this years ago but can't remember what the port settings should B be. Any idea as to what dec conncetors/cables to use would also be appreciated.   John   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:18:44 GMTe  From: Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com> Subject: Re: Modem on DecserverwL Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304231417350.17814-100000@localhost.localdomain>  & On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, John Hayes wrote:  F > I am trying to hook a multitech modem up to a decserver 90m for dialA > out only. I did this years ago but can't remember what the port  > settings should be.m  E I'm not familiar with the 90m.  On the 90L+, you had to set the port i( to printer.  Does that apply to the 90m?     --    / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.comaA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free!o6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)4                                  (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/,   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:36:36 -0500 < From: "La Roche, Michael" <mlaroche@allsaintshealthcare.org> Subject: RE: Modem on Decserver ] Message-ID: <F2D18855B95D6942BD315C5A8F141A0E035A6AD5@as-exchange-01.allsaintshealthcare.org>    John, C We currently have one setup for this and here are my port settings: F Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               2400F Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:              2400F Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        Disabled7 Stop Bits:           Dynamic                           i  F Access:               Remote           Local Switch:              NoneF Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_7F Break:              Disabled           Session Limit:                1F Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      HardF Default Protocol:        LAT           Default Menu:              NoneF Autolink Timer One:10 Two:10           Dialer Script:             None   Preferred Service: None  Authorized Groups:   0 (Current)  Groups:   0   Enabled Characteristics:2 DTRwait,  Input Flow Control,  Output Flow Control  G Also you might have to check the settings on the modem itself.  Hope it  helps. Mike                           \\\|///                        \\ _ _ //t                       ( @ @ )e*  o--------------oOOo-( )-oOOo------------o- { Michael J. La Roche - Sr. Systems Analyst } 3 { All Saints Healthcare System, Inc.              }c6 { 1320 Wisconsin Avenue                              }: { Racine, WI  53403                                      }; { V:  262-687-7741                                        } ; { F:  262-687-5595                                        }n0 { E:  mlaroche@allsaintshealthcare.org         },  o----------------oooO--Oooo---------------o  - "Careful-- we don't want to learn from this.".  	-Calvin & Hobbes       > -----Original Message-----+ > From:	John Hayes [SMTP:hayes1966@cox.net]C) > Sent:	Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:29 PMe > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como > Subject:	Modem on Decserverr > J > I am trying to hook a multitech modem up to a decserver 90m for dial outF > only. I did this years ago but can't remember what the port settings > shouldD > be. Any idea as to what dec conncetors/cables to use would also be > appreciated. >  > John >  >  > @ This message, and any attachment, is privileged and confidentialF information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee and AllE Saints Healthcare. If you are not the intended recipient, immediatelybI destroy this message and notify the sender of the error. Please note thattL any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this messageC is prohibited. All Saints Healthcare does not endorse any opinions, L conclusions or other information contained within this message that does not pertain to official business.s   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 18:33:12 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: Modem on Decserver2< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304231733.811eda8@posting.google.com>  h "John Hayes" <hayes1966@cox.net> wrote in message news:<cQBpa.147068$It5.91684@news2.central.cox.net>...J > I am trying to hook a multitech modem up to a decserver 90m for dial outM > only. I did this years ago but can't remember what the port settings shouldoD > be. Any idea as to what dec conncetors/cables to use would also be > appreciated. >  > John  1 XON flow control isn't as reliable as CTS ... try   > character size: 8                            input speed: 9600? flow control: CTS                            output speed: 9600-D parity: none                                 signal control: enabledK stop bits: dynamic                           signal select: CTS-DTR-RTS-DTRe  ? access: dynamic                              local switch: noneE9 backwards switch: none                       name: port_8B= break: local                                 session limit: 4K7 forwards switch: none                        type: ansiC default protocol: LATb  ! dedicated service: "some service"    authorized groups: 0 (current) groups: 0L   enabled characteristics:= autobaud, autoconnect, autoprompt, dialup, inactivity logout,TH input flow control, limited view, longbreak logout, output flow control, password, verification  B connectors can be 8 or 6 pin wire type (I forget the dec part no.)E and even 5 or 6 pin male/female vt type rj45 adaptors can be used ...o; 8 pin mmj requires a null cable if I remember correctly ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:42:36 -0400q( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Modem on Decserver*, Message-ID: <3EA74F1C.4020906@tsoft-inc.com>   Rob Brown wrote:  ( > On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, John Hayes wrote: >  > F >>I am trying to hook a multitech modem up to a decserver 90m for dialA >>out only. I did this years ago but can't remember what the port  >>settings should be.3 >> > G > I'm not familiar with the 90m.  On the 90L+, you had to set the port c* > to printer.  Does that apply to the 90m?    4 Port  6:                               Server: SRVR3  F Character Size:            8           Input Speed:              19200F Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:             19200F Parity:                 None           Signal Control:         Enabled Stop Bits:           Dynamic  F Access:              Dynamic           Local Switch:              NoneF Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_6F Break:                 Local           Session Limit:                4F Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      AnsiF Default Protocol:        LAT           Default Menu:              NoneF Autolink Timer One:10 Two:10           Dialer Script:             None   Preferred Service: None  Authorized Groups:   0 (Current)  Groups:   0   Enabled Characteristics:> Autoprompt,  Broadcast,  Failover,  Input Flow Control,  Lock,F Loss Notification,  Message Codes,  Output Flow Control,  Verification   Local> help set port accessf DEFINE/SET/CHANGE PORT ACCESSo  # ACCESS controls the type of access.-   ACCESS {DYNAMIC}         {LOCAL  }  *         {NONE   }a         {REMOTE }r  E DYNAMIC   allows a port to alternate between local and remote access.D  5 LOCAL     allows a port user to log in to the server.n   NONE      disables the port.  L REMOTE    allows the port to be accessed only by remote connection requests.  N The above is on either a 90M or 90TL, can't remember.  Too lazy to go back to P the terminal session and get back on the terminal server.  A 90M is pretty much D a 90TL with flash mamory to avoid the need for a load from a server.  L The key setting is ACCESS.  My setup allows both incoming and outgoing dial Q connections.  If you do not want the incoming conncetion, then set the access to   REMOTE.S  Q I'm assuming that you're not asking about the port creation on the VMS side.  If   you need that, ask.    Dave   -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 14:02:30 -0700, From: vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya)B Subject: Re: ODS2: Relation between cluster size and maximum files= Message-ID: <eb8f4d7b.0304231302.76a7135d@posting.google.com>    John,   E I see ur point, but i burnt my fingers using a small cluster size. My F bitmap.sys cannot map the entire 36GB disk with a cluster factor of 3.) (18 was the magic number for a 36GB ODS2)5         SIALP7$ana/disk sialp7$dka400:A Analyze/Disk_Structure for _SIALP7$DKA400: started on 23-APR-2003- 16:59:58.63-  C %ANALDISK-I-SHORTBITMAP, storage bitmap on RVN 1 does not cover thei
 entire deviceo. %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS" -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file  > Disk SIALP7$DKA400:, device type COMPAQ BD0366349C, is online, mounted, file-B     oriented device, shareable, served to cluster via MSCP Server,
 error logging      is enabled.i  F     Error count                    0    Operations completed            3106656F     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM];     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot           n S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WeF     Reference count                5    Default buffer size                 512F     Total blocks            71132000    Sectors per track                   254F     Total cylinders            14003    Tracks per cylinder                  20  F     Volume label          "LEVERAGE"    Relative volume number                0F     Cluster size                   3    Transaction count                     4F     Free blocks             57203616    Maximum files allowed           8889327F     Extend quantity                5    Mount count                           2;     Mount status              System    Cache name         i "_$1$DKA0:XQPCACHE"nF     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache  5720361B     File ID cache size            64    Blocks currently in extent cache   1305F     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache       28503     Volume owner UIC        [SYSTEM]    Vol Prot   t S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCDo  <   Volume Status:  ODS-2, subject to mount verification, file high-water marking,n!       write-back caching enabled. #   Volume is also mounted on SIALP8.f      R brandon@dalsemi.com wrote in message news:<03041614345914@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>..., > > Where can i find info about ODS2 basics? > > Specifically:hS > > 1. In ODS2, what is the relation between cluster size and maximum_files if any?aE > > 2. What is the maximum volume size supported on ODS2 (VMS 7.2-1)?e > O > You will want to adjust the cluster size to match the type of files that will  > be on the disk.- >  > For example: > Q > If you have thousands of small 4 or 5 block file on a 36-GB disk, you will wanto > to initialize /cluster=3.  > J > If you have an ORACLE database on the disk - only - then you may want toO > initialize /cluster=x where x is larger based on the file size.  This is onlyP > if you have large DB files.  > O > Regardless, I suggest the smaller size - since todays intentions get blown in " > the wind with tomorrows changes. >  > M > I had this bite me once.  Created a number of 8-GB disk drives and the autoiQ > cluster_size was set to 128.  The files were only 2 or 3 blocks in size.  I wase? > wondering where all my disk space went after that..!!@*$&!@#$u >  >  > John Brandon > VMS Systems Administratora > Dallas Semiconductor > john.brandon@dalsemi.com > 972.371.4172 wk4 > 972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:46:21 -04003$ From: Hein <hein_cov@eps.zk.dec.com>B Subject: Re: ODS2: Relation between cluster size and maximum files. Message-ID: <3EA76C1D.FB8910A8@eps.zk.dec.com>   Gorazd Kikelj wrote: >> John Brandon  >>K >> If you have an ORACLE database on the disk - only - then you may want toEK >> initialize /cluster=x where x is larger based on the file size.  This is  only >> if you have large DB files.   That's reasonable.   >w= > for Oracle the roule of thumb is CLUSTERSIZE = db_blocksizee > best, Gorazd  ; I beg to differ, or put differently...  Total  B@##  S*^!).a  I Clustersize only plays a role during allocation and should be as large asC	 possible.   J The only constraint is acceptable wasteage due to rounding, which leads toN large cluster sizes (500+) for disks with large files, such as oracle databaseJ files and small cluster sizes (but no less that 1/1000000 of the disk) for  disks with lots of little files.  H Making the cluster size a (large) multiple of the oracle db_blocksize is! 'nice' as it does not waste space M in the last cluster... which will happen like 10 times on a single disk... soi who cares?!   J Making the cluster size = db_blocksize is often way to small because blockJ sizes are often just 4KB or 8KB (or even 2KB) while the database files are5 millions of pages. Why allocate them a bit at a time?i  L Note... The cluster size has NOTHING to do with IO TRANSFER size in a direct fashion.I Indirectly a samll cluster size combined with fragmentation may lead to aeJ potentially larger IO being fragmented, so again... just make it as big as0 possible under the acceptable waste constraints.' (max waste = max files * clustersize ).E  
 Good luck!   ------------------------------   Date: 23 APR 2003 17:33:39 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: OpenVMS and MUMPS6 Message-ID: <23APR03.17333910@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  ? In a previous article, mahmed@thcg.org (Mohamed K Ahmed) wrote:r  F ->Does anyone know if Intersystems MUMPS version 6.4-F17 is compatible ->or not with OpenVMS 7.3-1?  < I'm running ISM 6.4-F14 on VMS 7.3-1 (Alpha) without issues.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonf8 --                 karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 20:02:22 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski); Subject: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!s< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304231822.c664cba@posting.google.com>  - sounds like things are progressing nicely ...e  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/04/23/7476808a   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 20:02:28 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski); Subject: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!c= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304231823.7781889a@posting.google.com>   - sounds like things are progressing nicely ...h  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/04/23/7476808:   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:54:27 +0200u6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS marketing in Belgium ' Message-ID: <3EA6FD83.20901@vajhoej.dk>    John Smith wrote:2< > "Jan Sierens" <jan.sierens@glaverbel.com> wrote in message7 > news:3ea63dec$0$28222$4d4efb8e@read.news.be.uu.net...@L >>It seems to me that OpenVMS is well treated in Belgium, perhaps an example >>for others : >>: >>http://i-dm.be/c2/d2.asp?uID=2ls11g86sfa&aID=194&cID=166  B > "where you will learn how to make your *existing applications onH > OpenVMS* accessible, internally and externally, and how to prepare for5 > integrating new technologies such as Web services."' > F > 'new technologies'???  Web services have not been 'new technologies' > for 5 years.   ????   WSDL is only 2.5 years old !  . Microsoft has released something called .NET !  3 The Java community has put out a lot of Web Servicet technology the last 1-2 years !e  ( So yes - Web Services is new technology.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:56:09 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS marketing in Belgiumi) Message-ID: <3EA6FDE9.9050109@vajhoej.dk>    Richard Brodie wrote:y0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF > news:6Gwpa.149375$jVh.125268@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...K > It's true that the first implementation of XMLRPC was 5 years ago (just).sH > They've not seen wide use for a fraction of that time, though. Amazon,  > for example, less than a year.  / And XML-RPC has turned out to be a blind-alley.p  8 I have heard that it shoudl actually be a good standard.  ( But the world has choosen SOAP and WSDL.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:57:06 -0400i' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>w Subject: RE: Oracle & OpenVMS3T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ECFD8@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  
 Hello Rob,   Re: Oracle upgrading ..e  A The versions of Oracle you are running are no longer supported bydC Oracle, so the issue is not just the OpenVMS support, but Oracle aso well.r  ( Do you have access to Oracle's Metalink?  H It is Oracle's database of known issues and has numerous OpenVMS relatedD articles on upgrades, verion issues, patch issues, good-to-know info etc.=20e  
 Reference:> http://www.oracle.com/support/metalink/index.html?content.html  F Latest version of Oracle certified on OpenVMS V7.3-1 that I can recallD is Oracle 9.2.0.2 (.3 might also be available as well). If you don'tD want (or can't) upgrade to Oracle 9iR2, the terminal release (OracleD terminology for last release of a specific version) V8.1.7.4 is also certified on OpenVMS V7.3-1.   RegardsT  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesa Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMn     > -----Original Message-----. > From: rob [mailto:insomnee_a@yahoo.co.uk]=20 > Sent: April 23, 2003 11:53 AMs > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. > Subject: Oracle & OpenVMSa >=20 >=20G > We have a number of Oracle 7.3.4.3 and Oracle 8.0.5.0.1 databases and D > would like to upgrade from our current version of OpenVMS 7.2-1 onE > Alpha to the latest version in our posession, v7.3-1. One reason is-F > not being able to get support from HP/Compaq without a prior support > contract, etc... >=20G > Does anyone have any issues or know of any problems surrounding this,cD > or has anyone been in a similar situation and already upgraded? We0 > believe Oracle would just say "Can't help ya!" >=20 > Thanks in anticipation >=20 > Rob. >=20   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 14:15:26 -0700, From: vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya) Subject: Re: Oracle & OpenVMSp= Message-ID: <eb8f4d7b.0304231315.113e2282@posting.google.com>a  ? We are running 8.1.7.4.0 on 7.2-1 and TCP/IP 5.0A ECO2. We havenD problems with BGn: devices. Tcpip fails to deallocate the BG devicesC and finally we run out out the BGn: devices (VMS 7.2 has a limit of D 10000).Oracle *pmon process seem to own thousands of them. Only wasy to recover is shutdown Oracle.  A There is a fix for the problem in TCPIP V5.1 ECO4. VMS upgared to  7.2-2 is recomemded.       g insomnee_a@yahoo.co.uk (rob) wrote in message news:<3610450e.0304230753.2b6d1af9@posting.google.com>...tG > We have a number of Oracle 7.3.4.3 and Oracle 8.0.5.0.1 databases andsD > would like to upgrade from our current version of OpenVMS 7.2-1 onE > Alpha to the latest version in our posession, v7.3-1. One reason iscF > not being able to get support from HP/Compaq without a prior support > contract, etc... > G > Does anyone have any issues or know of any problems surrounding this, D > or has anyone been in a similar situation and already upgraded? We0 > believe Oracle would just say "Can't help ya!" >  > Thanks in anticipation >  > Rob.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:28:19 GMT:= From: Michael Austin <maustin@n-o-s-p-a-m-firstdbasource.com>c Subject: Re: Oracle & OpenVMSs> Message-ID: <3EA73D73.21DE0F19@n-o-s-p-a-m-firstdbasource.com>  
 rob wrote: > G > We have a number of Oracle 7.3.4.3 and Oracle 8.0.5.0.1 databases andlD > would like to upgrade from our current version of OpenVMS 7.2-1 onE > Alpha to the latest version in our posession, v7.3-1. One reason iseF > not being able to get support from HP/Compaq without a prior support > contract, etc... > G > Does anyone have any issues or know of any problems surrounding this, D > or has anyone been in a similar situation and already upgraded? We0 > believe Oracle would just say "Can't help ya!" >  > Thanks in anticipation >  > Rob.    C Upgrade database to 8.1.7.latest FIRST (must relink Oracle) becausee  7.3.x.x will not work on VMS7.3. Then upgrade VMS.     F In our environment we have done ~75% of our Oracle 7.3.x.x upgrades toF 8.1.7 and VMS 7.3 (and now starting on  VMS7.3-1 upgrades)   Make sure6 you read the docs around new sysgen parameters etc... G It takes a long time to upgrade 40+ 2-node clusters, plus another 40 or@+ so non-production test/certification nodes.h     --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163'   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:54:31 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>< Subject: Re: OT: Re: DARPA Cancels OS Project After Comments2 Message-ID: <MaOdnZEqxdQHljqjXTWcqg@metrocast.net>  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:YpjvSWZmT5CV@eisner.encompasserve.org...o@ > In article <YY2cnTY4PoWBLzijXTWcrg@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd"  <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > >tG > > So it looks like any 'firing' will have to come from elsewhere, andr thererK > > are enough people whom his actions have *seriously* inconvenienced thats this# > > does not seem all that unlikelys >e> >    So are you volunteering in any of the oponents campaigns?  L Well, if you're referring to people who might remove him from office with noH notice, I can't embrace such methods personally at least in part becauseJ (just as was the case with respect to Iraq) the available legal methods toK correct the situation have not been exhausted (though for others who do notuJ have these legal methods at their disposal, or who perhaps respect the lawK as little as Dubya does, I fully understand why such reservations would notr apply).s  F But if you meant political opponents, I'm of course very interested inK Howard Dean and in the absence of significant movement on the issues by himaC or his colleagues expect to support him both in the NH primary and,iI hopefully, in the general election.  I'm not much of a 'joiner', but willeH make an exception in this case:  though of course I always vote, Dubya'sL behavior had already become sufficiently disgusting last fall that I broke aI long stretch of campaign non-involvement by volunteering to bus people tob= the polls, and since then the stakes have become much higher.a   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:35:01 GMTt, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>! Subject: Re: PRODUCT "UNREGISTER"m? Message-ID: <VNCpa.237$UW3.33002730@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>   ; > > Does anyone know of a way to "unregister" a product?  Io? > > can't find a way to do it, and renaming the *.PCSI$DATABASEt# > > file does not get the job done., >tE > It would be nice if there were a documented, supported way of doingm > this.b  J Hear, hear.  It could be as simple as letting you put the product database filessK on a separate disk.  Like "everything" else that allows for using a logical/ name.e  L Similar problem we've run into.  In a cluster with multiple system disks, ifH you install on one system, then you can't do an update on another systemD because that system disk doesn't have recorded the original install.   Jim.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 14:06:05 -0700, From: vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya)! Subject: Re: PRODUCT "UNREGISTER"a= Message-ID: <eb8f4d7b.0304231306.20271238@posting.google.com>t   On the same lines:F Would it not be nice to have stuff like SD-UX (software Depot on HPUX)) for remote automated unattended installs.s  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KV2UBOJOVIA9SJ2F@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...? > > I have a V7.3-1 system that is a cloned copy of a differentw> > > system disk.  On the old system, Compaq Secure Web BrowserD > > is installed, but is not on the system disk.  On the new system,< > > CSWB is in the PRODUCT database, but I cannot remove it,9 > > since it points to a disk that is not on that system.  > > ; > > Does anyone know of a way to "unregister" a product?  In? > > can't find a way to do it, and renaming the *.PCSI$DATABASE # > > file does not get the job done.  > K > I suspect that lots of people clone disks.  If you have several machines sK > and want to upgrade them all, it's a waste of time to install stuff from vK > CD on each one individually, especially if a lot of layered products etc bJ > are also installed.  It makes much more sense to do it on one disk then E > clone the others (which is relatively easy if all system disks are lH > shadow sets, since one could reboot the system from a copy of the new J > master disk and after it comes up add a former member of the shadow set  > as a copy target etc). > E > It would be nice if there were a documented, supported way of doingi > this.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:10:09 GMTn2 From: Gib Copeland <copeland@jenni.path.uiowa.edu>! Subject: Re: PRODUCT "UNREGISTER"I- Message-ID: <RiDpa.347451$Zo.76159@sccrnsc03>d   David Beatty wrote: A >     I have a V7.3-1 system that is a cloned copy of a differentf< > system disk.  On the old system, Compaq Secure Web BrowserB > is installed, but is not on the system disk.  On the new system,: > CSWB is in the PRODUCT database, but I cannot remove it,7 > since it points to a disk that is not on that system.a > = >     Does anyone know of a way to "unregister" a product?  Iy= > can't find a way to do it, and renaming the *.PCSI$DATABASEe! > file does not get the job done.f >  > David R. Beattyn >   > Have a floppy drive on the system?  Find the volume name where* CSWB was installed on the original system:  +    $ product sho object /product=cswb /full   ? Init and mount a floppy with the same label on your new system.e Then      $ product remove cswb  > It would be nice if there were an easier way of doing it, like< just defining the DISK$volume logical.  But PCSI seems to be& looking for volume lock resources too.   Gibn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:32:41 -0400.( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>! Subject: Re: PRODUCT "UNREGISTER"e, Message-ID: <3EA74CC9.3030305@tsoft-inc.com>   David Beatty wrote:h  A >     I have a V7.3-1 system that is a cloned copy of a differentp< > system disk.  On the old system, Compaq Secure Web BrowserB > is installed, but is not on the system disk.  On the new system,: > CSWB is in the PRODUCT database, but I cannot remove it,7 > since it points to a disk that is not on that system.> > = >     Does anyone know of a way to "unregister" a product?  Ir= > can't find a way to do it, and renaming the *.PCSI$DATABASE ! > file does not get the job done.  >  > David R. Beatty     M A wild guess here.  Set up a logical name to represent the "not there" disk, wL pointing to an available disk.  If the utility translates the logical, this Q might not work.  Seem to remember that a logical can be set up to not translate. t   Might want to look at this.s   Dave     -- V4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:34:52 GMT = From: Michael Austin <maustin@n-o-s-p-a-m-firstdbasource.com>- Subject: Re: UCX PROBLEM> Message-ID: <3EA73EFD.6D8B5458@n-o-s-p-a-m-firstdbasource.com>  	 MB wrote:a > 9 > Running ucx version OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 4.a >  > $ telnet 0& > %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... X.X.X.X4 > %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host ALPHA, port 23* > -TELNET-I-ESCAPE, Escape character is ^]/ > %TELNET-E-INETERROR, Internet interface errorrF > -SYSTEM-F-CONNECFAIL, connect to network object timed-out or failed. >  > $ UCX SHOW COM <snip>   isn't it about time to upgrade?   H $ucx show service telnet/full -- what is the session limit?  what is the VMS user limit?    how about memory issues? d   -- s Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:39:11 +0200p9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 7 Subject: Re: UK "Computing" registration - Mentions VMSh' Message-ID: <3EA6DDCF.43325BAC@aaa.com>   % And not even with the correct name... 1 I'd expect that from a public, professional site.I	 Jan-Erik./   John Smith wrote:m > , > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote > >@H > > 11. Which of the following areas are you a) currently using b) an IT > > specialist?i > >  > >  VMS > F > It's a pretty sad state of affairs that we have to resort to posting* > when VMS is actually mentioned for once.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:06:23 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 7 Subject: Re: UK "Computing" registration - Mentions VMSeI Message-ID: <PwIpa.162903$jVh.14894@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>e  F Which name is that...OpenVMS, or 'the long silly name that HP recentlyC unveiled to widespread puzzlement for which HP has decided that VMSeF shall henceforth be known by as it pertains to Alpha, VAX, and Itanic,? and other misnomers of 'marketing' and black magic'? {gregoriane chanting sounds follow}     3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messagen! news:3EA6DDCF.43325BAC@aaa.com... ' > And not even with the correct name...t3 > I'd expect that from a public, professional site.h > Jan-Erik.r >  > John Smith wrote:e > >V. > > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote > > >fD > > > 11. Which of the following areas are you a) currently using b) an ITg > > > specialist?  > > >e
 > > >  VMS > >u@ > > It's a pretty sad state of affairs that we have to resort to posting , > > when VMS is actually mentioned for once.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:20:35 -0500e' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com>-> Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?= Message-ID: <9LBpa.340$35.1080@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>y   VAXman- wrote:s > In article <b7koop$s1$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris Townley" <news_ac@townleyc.NOSPAM.demon.co.uk> writes:c > ? >>"Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in messages0 >>news:b7j1p0$duq$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk... >># >>>Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:y >>> G >>>>Before I wade through a decade of google postings, I'd like to ask:n >>>>J >>>>Does anyone have a good/simple (means F$CVUI, F$FAO, ...) DCL solutionK >>>>for getting Image Identification Information of .EXE files ? On Alpha ?  >>> % >>>$ open/read i 'f$parse(p1,".exe")'s
 >>>$ read i h  >>>$ close i2 >>>$ if f$length(h).ne.512 then $ goto novms_image >>>$ if f$cvui(0,32,h).lt.16	 >>>$ thenr >>>$ arch = "Alpha"  >>>$ debug_byte = 80, >>>$ hi = f$extract(f$cvui(24*8,32,h),104,h) >>>$ imgtimo = 80 >>>$ imgnam = f$extract(17,f$cvui(16*8,8,hi),hi)/ >>>$ imgid = f$extract(57,f$cvui(56*8,8,hi),hi) 0 >>>$ linkid = f$extract(73,f$cvui(72*8,8,hi),hi)	 >>>$ else  >>>$ arch = "VAX"w >>>$ debug_byte = 32* >>>$ hi = f$extract(f$cvui(6*8,16,h),80,h), >>>$ imgnam = f$extract(1,f$cvui(0,8,hi),hi)/ >>>$ imgid = f$extract(41,f$cvui(40*8,8,hi),hi)  >>>$ imgtimo = 56s0 >>>$ linkid = f$extract(65,f$cvui(64*8,8,hi),hi)
 >>>$ endif% >>>$ debug = f$cvui(debug_byte*8,1,h)n' >>>$ share = f$cvui(debug_byte*8+6,1,h)e >>>g9 >>>$ say arch," ",imgnam," ",imgid," by linker ",linkid,-t> >>>" at ",f$fao("!%D",imgtimo+f$cvui(32,32,f$fao("!AD",8,hi)))F >>>$!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ TIME DCL MAGIC ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^B >>>$! Explanation: hi is a string & therefore passed by descriptorI >>>$! f$fao("!AD",n,s) expects a string by reference, & therefore returns02 >>>the binary descriptor of hi as an 8 byte stringB >>>$! f$cvui(32,32,desc) returns the actual address of hi from the >>>descriptor (2nd longword)5 >>>$! add whatever offset into the record is required-B >>>$! f$fao("!%D",a) expects a quadword by reference, and gets the3 >>>carefully constructed address of a quadword timee >>>- >>4 >>This is a classic example of how not to write DCL. >>L >>Why do people write such badly formatted code? It doesnt take much to make >>DCL code readable, >>and MAINTAINABLE?l >>J >>Whenever I look at code like this, I simply switch off; if I am asked toH >>maintain such code, I will normally send it where it deserves to be... >> >>-- >>Chrisi+ >>chris at townleyc dot demon dot co dot uk  >  > G > I took the crux of the above and wrote it with one of the features of  > SYMBOL.  The code is at  >   A >   http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/using/GET_IMAGE_INFORMATION.COM;  > H > At least the misc. values in the original now have some more symbolic  > significance., >   0 Beautiful.  Now THAT'S what I'm talking about...   Chris6 -----0 Chris Olive  Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services CorporationR Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec(AT)indy(DOT)raytheon(DOT)com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:15:05 -0500t' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com>y> Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?= Message-ID: <%FBpa.338$35.1129@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>    David M Smith wrote:P > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:46:37 +0100, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> > wrote: >  > $ >>$ open/read i 'f$parse(p1,".exe")' >>$ read i h >>$ close ie >  > 	... > O > Thanks! A few minor omissions in the code you posted (SAY symbol, NOVMS_IMAGE M > label not defined) but otherwise looks good. What are the symbols DEBUG and 8 > SHARE all about? You get them, but don't display them. > 7 > I had also used the program version of IMGID found at  > = > 	http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?IMGID  > N > but your version has the advantage that it detemines the image type from theP > .EXE file itself, rather than from the architecture on which IMGID is running. >   G When I wrote IMGID, I didn't have access to an Alpha or documentation. tC So even though I knew I could get the type of image from the image \F header, I wasn't sure how, so I went with the architecture, presuming L somewhat safely that you wouldn't have VAX images on an Alpha or vice versa.  E Still, I think the documentation I wrote for IMGID indicates I would 3D have rather of had it inspect the image header, but a friend who at H least loaned me the extended image header includes from an Alpha system L was very busy and I didn't want to prey on him for further assistance... 8-)  A So... From Chris Sharman's DCL code, it appears the image header -G inspection is a fairly trivial matter.  Feel free to include the logic rE if you want into IMGID and I will repost it, with due credit, to the   Process fileserv.[  G Also, looping through LIB$FIND_FILE for wildcard searches and adding a 	H call to LIB$SET_SYMBOL wouldn't be hard to do either.  Or you can stick  with the DCL version here.  H But I thought I would interject why IMGID was written the way it was... +   Surely the method you desire *is* better.    Chrisa -----a Chris Oliveo Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporation  Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec(AT)indy(DOT)raytheon(DOT)com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:18:56 -0500a' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com> > Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?= Message-ID: <CJBpa.339$35.1133@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>e   Chris Townley wrote:? > "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in message 0 > news:b7j1p0$duq$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk... > " >>Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: >>F >>>Before I wade through a decade of google postings, I'd like to ask: >>>-I >>>Does anyone have a good/simple (means F$CVUI, F$FAO, ...) DCL solutionoJ >>>for getting Image Identification Information of .EXE files ? On Alpha ? >>$ >>$ open/read i 'f$parse(p1,".exe")' >>$ read i h >>$ close ie1 >>$ if f$length(h).ne.512 then $ goto novms_imagew >>$ if f$cvui(0,32,h).lt.16m >>$ then >>$ arch = "Alpha" >>$ debug_byte = 80 + >>$ hi = f$extract(f$cvui(24*8,32,h),104,h)o >>$ imgtimo = 8e/ >>$ imgnam = f$extract(17,f$cvui(16*8,8,hi),hi)a. >>$ imgid = f$extract(57,f$cvui(56*8,8,hi),hi)/ >>$ linkid = f$extract(73,f$cvui(72*8,8,hi),hi)r >>$ else >>$ arch = "VAX" >>$ debug_byte = 32 ) >>$ hi = f$extract(f$cvui(6*8,16,h),80,h)e+ >>$ imgnam = f$extract(1,f$cvui(0,8,hi),hi) . >>$ imgid = f$extract(41,f$cvui(40*8,8,hi),hi) >>$ imgtimo = 56/ >>$ linkid = f$extract(65,f$cvui(64*8,8,hi),hi)m	 >>$ endif $ >>$ debug = f$cvui(debug_byte*8,1,h)& >>$ share = f$cvui(debug_byte*8+6,1,h) >>8 >>$ say arch," ",imgnam," ",imgid," by linker ",linkid,-= >>" at ",f$fao("!%D",imgtimo+f$cvui(32,32,f$fao("!AD",8,hi))) E >>$!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ TIME DCL MAGIC ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A >>$! Explanation: hi is a string & therefore passed by descriptor:H >>$! f$fao("!AD",n,s) expects a string by reference, & therefore returns1 >>the binary descriptor of hi as an 8 byte string,A >>$! f$cvui(32,32,desc) returns the actual address of hi from theg >>descriptor (2nd longword)t4 >>$! add whatever offset into the record is requiredA >>$! f$fao("!%D",a) expects a quadword by reference, and gets thea2 >>carefully constructed address of a quadword time >> >  > 4 > This is a classic example of how not to write DCL. > L > Why do people write such badly formatted code? It doesnt take much to make > DCL code readable, > and MAINTAINABLE?M > J > Whenever I look at code like this, I simply switch off; if I am asked toH > maintain such code, I will normally send it where it deserves to be... >   F Certainly it would have been a bit more palatable if the image header E symbols (IHIDEF) and extended image header symbols (EIHIDEF) were at >G least defined, wouldn't it?  I agree, but I've already had my own code oJ critiqued here in this thread, so I had better leave this one alone... 8-)   Chris  -----S Chris Olive  Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporation  Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec(AT)indy(DOT)raytheon(DOT)com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:35:13 GMT:# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) > Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?/ Message-ID: <lGDpa.297$Gx4.13@news.cpqcorp.net>   [ In article <3EA60574.FE017E1F@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  :Howard Taylor wrote:r :> i
 :> How about:e :>  @ :> $ pipe analyze/image 'filename | search sys$input "image file :> identification" ::H :Now, get that into a symbol so it can be examined by "mainstream" code.     Ok:   5     $ pipe analyze/image sys$system:authorize.exe | -06       search sys$input "image file identification" | -;       (read sys$pipe imgid ; define/job imageident &imgid ) $     $ imgid = f$trnlnm("imageident")   	--o  F   Any tool has carnal understanding of the format of an OpenVMS VAX orF   OpenVMS Alpha image header or of the internals of an object file for5   either platform will almost certainly fail on I64. R  C   The object file format and the image header format are different.t   	--s  F   I would certainly like to see an RTL call for this purpose, as well.G   I and other engineers presently have I64 code to designa nd write andmG   debug, and -- while this API is certainly highly desirable -- the APIe=   implementation is not (AFAIK) among the committed features.b  E   This API would obviously be needed across the platforms and variousoG   of the recent OpenVMS versions, which (obviously) adds to the effort.S    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.225 ************************             E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2003 14{y	_7</yy+S{!q"x^3w3+85[l~X-q
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