1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 28 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 234       Contents:, Anti-spam features of TCPIP Services for VMS0 Re: Anti-spam features of TCPIP Services for VMS Re: Average Uptimes by OS  Re: DECUS library ftp site Re: Fortel go bye-bye!A Re: Ghostscript 6.50 & >=VMS 7.3: Error: /invalidfont in findfont A Re: Ghostscript 6.50 & >=VMS 7.3: Error: /invalidfont in findfont A Re: Ghostscript 6.50 & >=VMS 7.3: Error: /invalidfont in findfont " Re: Gotta have those ol' time docs< Hi, i'm building a forum now... (usually under construction)= Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! = Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! $ Re: I learned about VMS from that...$ Re: I learned about VMS from that...H Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyP Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly monopol8 Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!  Re: Johnny English is a VMS user  Re: Johnny English is a VMS user: Re: OpenVMS Freeware 6 CD, new Ghostscript to be included?6 Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!P Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retai Re: Oracle and VMS Re: Oracle and VMS Re: Oracle and VMS Re: Q - Printer Problems RE: Q - Printer Problems SLS change server node Re: SLS change server node Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMS' Re: telnetsym and the missing last page ' Re: telnetsym and the missing last page ' Re: telnetsym and the missing last page $ Re: Using ArcServe to backup VAX/VMS$ Re: Using ArcServe to backup VAX/VMS$ Re: Using ArcServe to backup VAX/VMS	 VMS 7.3-1 
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 Re: VMS 7.3-1 * Re: X-windows: adding a widget to a system* Re: X-windows: adding a widget to a system* Re: X-windows: adding a widget to a system* Re: X-windows: adding a widget to a system* Re: X-windows: adding a widget to a systemE Re: [DECnet-Plus V7.3-1 ECO2] What has happened to the DECNET_VERSION E Re: [DECnet-Plus V7.3-1 ECO2] What has happened to the DECNET_VERSION   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:49:39 -0400 - From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> 5 Subject: Anti-spam features of TCPIP Services for VMS 0 Message-ID: <3EAD4D93.9EB3B7EC@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>  O I have alphas here at work running OpenVMS V7.3-1 and TCPIP Services V5.3 ECO 1 P with anti-spam features.  Yet on my hobbyist Alphastation at home where I reallyP need it, these features are not working or are absent.  For example, there is noO SMTP.CONFIG or template file on SYS$SYSROOT:[TCPIP$SMTP], and placing one there  has no effect.  N I am particularly interested in controlling SMTP relay from my Alphastation atN home.  Setting the SMTP configuration to enable relay results in opening up myL Alphastation to everybody, including spammers.  What have I done wrong?  I'm5 running OpenVMS V7.2-2 and TCPIP Services V5.3 ECO 1.     - JB    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:38:29 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>9 Subject: Re: Anti-spam features of TCPIP Services for VMS ) Message-ID: <3EAD5904.F97C86D6@istop.com>    Jonathan Boswell wrote: R > need it, these features are not working or are absent.  For example, there is noQ > SMTP.CONFIG or template file on SYS$SYSROOT:[TCPIP$SMTP], and placing one there  > has no effect.    % You can find a template SMTP_CONFIG :   I $LIB/EXTRACT=SMTP_CONFIG/output=TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:SMTP.CONFIG SMTP_CONFIG   N If you upgraded the TCPIP stack from an earlier version, the install procedure forgot about it.- I also have a template for the logical names:   > http://vaxination.dyndns.org:8000/vms/tcpip_smtp_systartup.com  H (there are a couple of typos in the above, will correct them this week).? (NoteL in a day or two, the :8000 will no longer be necessary).   % For enabling other nodes on your lan: 1 Enable Relay in the SMTP service config in TCPIP>  And in SMTP.CONFIG " K Good-Clients: 10.0.0.0/8    (to allow 10.*.*.* to relay messges, all others 
 are bounced).  Relay-Zones: <domain-name>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:48:04 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy " Subject: Re: Average Uptimes by OS. Message-ID: <3EAD3F24.2050003@nospamn.sun.com>   Mark E. Levy wrote: ; > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message  > news:b7ooo3$30d9i$1@ID-  >  > D >>Still living ina fantasy world where VMS is the only stable system >>in the universe! >>	 >>------- ? >>ULTRIX V4.5 (Rev. 47) System #1: Sat Jan  1 01:26:25 EST 2000  >>UWS V4.5 (Rev. 6)  >>
 >># uptimeH >>  7:46am  up 201 days, 14:24,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00	 >>-------  >>A >>And that is hardly a modern Unix, all of which are more stable.  >  > M > I see that system has been real busy there, Bill. Any system will be stable  > if you don't use it. >   - The three uptime load average numbers are the 8 average number of entries in the run queue over the last 1,5 and 15 minutes.   1 Here is the uptime number from one of my servers. 8 Sun Microsystems Inc.   SunOS 5.9       Generic May 2002 sunburst# uptimeE    3:32pm  up 119 day(s), 51 min(s),  43 users,  load average: 2.27,  
 2.13, 2.07  C It was down last because of a power failure in our office, it isn't 	 on a UPS.   @ The fact that the average run queue length is greater than Bills> system doesn't tell you anything about the relative ammount of@ load that the two systems have been under over the 119 days that7 my server has been up and the 201 days his has been up.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:47:52 -0400  From: G Everhart <ge@gce.com> # Subject: Re: DECUS library ftp site & Message-ID: <3EAD3F18.7080608@gce.com>  W You can access the DECUS FTP site via web but the links mostly refer to "www.decus.org" W and the correct site is "ftp.decus.org". If you just anonymous ftp to the site you will ? find much of the library material at least for Vax still there.   M Note too that Decuserve/Encompasserve has a good bit of this material, though M they may not have it all up as yet. It has been a while since I looked there.    Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:12:12 +0100 2 From: Ashley Shepherd <ashley.shepherd@virgin.net> Subject: Re: Fortel go bye-bye! 8 Message-ID: <vvtpav0bf1hkh3e7nka2vlcgejh69o7bv7@4ax.com>   All,  B As a former employee of FORTEL, I'd like to keep you all informed.> Many of you know me, and I hope know me as an honest, open, noF bull$h!t person.  This is NOT a press release, but an honest view from the inside.   ? The e:mail distributed in this newsgroup was sent to all of our E customers by a very bitter head of worldwide sales, who had just been C dumped by our new owners.  A very unfair thing for him to do..  He 6 did not lie, but didn't tell all of the truth, either.  F For all of our worldwide customers, very little will change.  In fact,# all changes will be for the better.   E Divestcap have bought all of the SightLine products, and retained all C the key support and development staff in the USA.  They have dumped E the squandering, greedy US management team and culled the unnecessary > expenses.  The support plan is in place and development of the products will continue.   D In EMEA, the FORTEL subsidiaries have closed, and a new organisationE is rising from the FORTEL ashes.  This new organisation will have all B of the old FORTEL staff that you know, across the whole of Europe,F Middle East and Africa.  Nothing is going to change (except our e:mailE addresses and company name).  It may take a few days to a week for us E to get the new infrastructure in place, but that will be all.  All of D our customers will be contacted over the next day or so with support numbers etc.  E No doubt our competitors have already been knocking on people's doors F offering to "save" our customers, but this really is not necessary, asE the best performance product available is still here, being developed  and supported.  E A LOT more information will become available over the next week or so ? as things become clearer, and I will do my best to keep you all F informed.  All of our key resellers are still with us (including thoseE that stopped selling PerfCap products to sell SightLine instead), and . they all see this as a positive move, as do I.  F If you have any questions I will do my best to answer them, but in the) meantime, it should be business as usual,    Best regards   Ashley     Ashley Shepherd   FIAP   MBCI  ashley.shepherd@ntlworld.com  D On 25 Apr 2003 07:52:22 -0700, svieth@wi.rr.com (Scott Vieth) wrote:   >"To All FORTEL Customers: >  >  > E >This is to advise you that on April 23, 2003 the Bankruptcy Court of ; >Northern California; Oakland Division approved the sale of F >substantially all of the assets of FORTEL Inc (FORTEL) to DivestitureG >Management Corporation (DMC). The potential of this sale was announced 6 >in a previous communication to you on March 18, 2003. >  >  > = >As part of this transaction, DMC assumed the ongoing support G >obligation to certain US customers (those who were not assumed will be E >notified in a separate document). DMC chose not to retain any of the F >FORTEL employees and FORTEL has given notice to its US employees thatF >their last day of employment will be April 25, 2003. Furthermore, DMC? >did not assume any of the contracts or obligations to critical F >vendors, distributors, re-sellers and partners. FORTEL will move from( >a Chapter 11 to a Chapter 7 proceeding. >  >  > C >Additionally DMC chose not to assume any of FORTEL's International B >Subsidiaries (UK, Benelux, Germany, Switzerland and France). ThisB >decision has forced FORTEL to advise all its subsidiaries to file? >their own voluntary insolvency proceedings and to notify their E >respective employees that their employment will be terminated on the E >last day of April. The Customer contracts of each subsidiary are not E >part of this transaction by DMC. The liquidators of the subsidiaries ? >will determine the rights, possession and disposition of these  >contracts.  >  >  > C >In this transaction, DMC did not share its go-forward strategy for F >doing business. For further information please contact either Charles: >Hale, Charlie@divestcap.com, 617-8181-2222 or Bruce Hill,# >bruce@divestcap.com, 617-818-3805.  >  >  > G >On behalf of all FORTEL, we have appreciated your business and loyalty 6 >to our solutions. We wish you the best in the future. >  >  >  >Terry Ewing >Sr VP Field Operations"  6 >***************************************************** >Ashley Shepherd   >Consultancy Services % >email to  ashley.shepherd@virgin.net 6 >*****************************************************   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:38:09 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)J Subject: Re: Ghostscript 6.50 & >=VMS 7.3: Error: /invalidfont in findfont. Message-ID: <b8j7bg$rqb$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Ben Armstrong <BArmstrong@dymaxion.ca> writes in article <h7cqa.47879$cB3.353488@nnrp1.uunet.ca> dated Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:03:41 -0300: I >Using the Perl PDF::Create module, we generate shipping labels in PDF on I >VMS.  Our script worked fine with Ghostscript 6.50 with VMS 7.1 and 7.2, I >but on VMS 7.3 and greater, Ghostscript chokes with the following error:  >   >Error: /invalidfont in findfont  K This has been discussed here before, so check Google or your favorite other K archive for details.  To summarize, Compaq/HP ditched some of Ghostscript's ' favorite fonts in order to save money.    E Doesn't gs/gv work on Linux?  Maybe there are free fonts available...   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:43:34 -0300 , From: Ben Armstrong <BArmstrong@dymaxion.ca>J Subject: Re: Ghostscript 6.50 & >=VMS 7.3: Error: /invalidfont in findfont3 Message-ID: <H_bra.49830$cB3.368813@nnrp1.uunet.ca>    Keith A. Lewis wrote: G > This has been discussed here before, so check Google or your favorite  > other ? > archive for details.  To summarize, Compaq/HP ditched some of 6 > Ghostscript's favorite fonts in order to save money.   I guess you mean this thread?    http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=3BC57CF5.2090003%40iaf.fhg.de&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D3BC57CF5.2090003%2540iaf.fhg.de   I I'm not sure how to proceed.  I can't go copying fonts from one system to ( another due to licensing of those fonts.  G > Doesn't gs/gv work on Linux?  Maybe there are free fonts available...   K Both gs and gv work on Linux, and free fonts are available that are aliased K so they appear under the same name as the Adobe fonts, but I don't know how C to deploy these fonts under VMS.  (My Debian system has gsfonts and H gsfonts-x11 which apparently provide these fonts and the necessary alias
 mappings.)   Ben  --  G       Ben Armstrong                -.       Medianet Development Group, E       BArmstrong@dymaxion.ca         `-.    Dymaxion Research Limited H       <URL: http://www.dymaxion.ca/>    `-  Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:36:23 -0300 , From: Ben Armstrong <BArmstrong@dymaxion.ca>J Subject: Re: Ghostscript 6.50 & >=VMS 7.3: Error: /invalidfont in findfont3 Message-ID: <cMcra.49843$cB3.369007@nnrp1.uunet.ca>    Ben Armstrong wrote: > Keith A. Lewis wrote: H >> Doesn't gs/gv work on Linux?  Maybe there are free fonts available...E > Both gs and gv work on Linux, and free fonts are available that are L > aliased so they appear under the same name as the Adobe fonts, but I don't+ > know how to deploy these fonts under VMS.   L Keith, that turned out to be the hint that paid off.  Since Linux works, theJ VMS Ghostscript kit must be mapping fonts differently, as the VMS kit doesK seem to contain all of the same fonts that Linux does.  Sure enough, have a - look at GS_LIB:FONTMAP.VMS.  The header says:   < % fontmap.vms - Ghostscript fontmap for VAX/VMS systems with DECwindows/Motif.  % E %Uses only the XDPS Outline fonts (Type 1 fonts) provided with Motif.  % H %Note that this file contains only those fonts that come with VMS.  Full fontH %specification is made by prepending FONTMAP.GS to this file (this takesJ %advantage of the fact that when a font is specified multiple times in the8 %fontmap file, Ghostscript uses the LAST one specified). % H %The recommended way to build the FONTMAP. file is to issue the command:% %COPY FONTMAP.GS,FONTMAP.VMS FONTMAP.   J Since Motif on later revisions of VMS no longer include these outlines, asC discussed in the thread I pasted earlier, the solution is merely to G recreate FONTMAP. so that it is only a copy of FONTMAP.GS, and does not J include FONTMAP.VMS, which would otherwise supercede the .GS mappings with1 incorrect mappings to non-existent font outlines:    $ SET DEF GS_LIB $ COPY FONTMAP.GS FONTMAP.  L After fixing up the fontmap in this fashion, GS now uses the free Adobe fontA substitutes that ship with the kit instead of the Adobe outlines.    Thanks,  Ben  --  G       Ben Armstrong                -.       Medianet Development Group, E       BArmstrong@dymaxion.ca         `-.    Dymaxion Research Limited H       <URL: http://www.dymaxion.ca/>    `-  Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Apr 2003 15:02:18 GMT, From: Pierre Thomas <pthomas@ready-soft.net>+ Subject: Re: Gotta have those ol' time docs 4 Message-ID: <Xns936BAD5183172pthomas@193.252.19.141>   Hello,  @ if your really interested in, I got DECNet OSI for OpenVMS Doc, & hardcopy, june 1993 version, 21 books.   Mail me.  
 Pierre Thomas    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2003 21:49:49 +0800% From: Ng Sze Li <ngszeli@hotmail.com> E Subject: Hi, i'm building a forum now... (usually under construction) ' Message-ID: <3ead317d_1@news.tm.net.my>   < Hi, i'm building a forum now... (usually under construction)( so, i strongly need your help about this  1 the forum address is http://www.ngszeli.com/forum $ please help for building, thank you.   --- ( MAF Anti-Spam ID: 20030224072256P2s0LdM5   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:03:21 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>F Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!2 Message-ID: <25ecndvzpL2xWTGjXTWcpQ@metrocast.net>  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ECFFC@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. Bill,   C >>> what I asked for was some evidence of your assertion that I had F "agree[d] to keep all conversations in that forum private" (a somewhatB different and decidely more specific restriction, coupled with the? assertion that it had not only been expressed but also actively 
 accepted).<<<   E > What gobblie goop - a lawyer would have a great time with all that.   K How, exactly?  You made an assertion (which I quoted above, so you can once I again see *exactly* what that assertion was), and I asked for evidence to L back it up.  Your assertion was not that I had flouted some expectations setD by the group's originator (which also remains in doubt, since you'veL provided neither the details of such expectations nor evidence that they didL not lapse when the group eventually decided to makes its activities public),= but that I had broken a specific agreement that *I* had made.   J But of course you have a history of respecting accuracy and truth about asK much as Compaq did, so this is not surprising, just disgusting - especially L in its attempt to divert attention from your original lie by denigrating the6 source of the clear evidence that proves it to be one.  K As for your other crap, you've once again ignored the 3 statements you made K that *unequivocally* indicated that the ports of VMS et al. would *require* J Alpha-related changes to Itanic and instead concentrated on quibbling overE your many other statements that simply supported that view without as 9 explicitly stating it.  More typical sleaze on your part.   L It's not as if you had a reputation here to protect, you know:  that went byI the boards two years ago, and interactions such as this one only serve to I remind people once again how intellectually (and blatantly) dishonest you I are, which of course hardly reflects well on your current employer either I (though Carly's actions during the merger battle pretty much took care of G HP's reputation in such areas already).  This makes you appear not only K sleazy but stupid as well:  is that really the image you feel you ought (or  want) to project?    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:32:18 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>F Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!2 Message-ID: <z8icnf5Lw-hoVzGjXTWcpw@metrocast.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3EACAA7D.5B73139B@istop.com...  > Bill Todd wrote:K > > Of course not:  Itanic lacks the on-chip glue that provides Marvel with  its J > > exceptional memory bandwidth and latency.  SGI's Itanic2 Altix systems are F > > the closest any Itanic platform comes to Marvel-class performance: > L > Here is where I get lost. If current IA64 chips produced by Intel lack theL > hardware to allow wildfire class machines (or lack the better glue to makeB > marvel), how come SGI can make "Altix" systems that come close ?  I I didn't say they 'came close', just that they came closer than any other G Itanic platform.  SGI is almost legendary in taking mediocre processors F (such as MIPS) and building them into very large systems with very lowK inter-node communication latencies and high bandwidths, and they've done it D again with Itanic.  HP has no such history of success (your original> question was whether *HP* could build a Marvel-class machine).   > J > But did EV6x chips used to build the original Wildfires have the on-chip glue" > ? Or is that an EV7-only thing ?  L EV7 only.  Wildfire was a mediocre server implementation.  Marvel is superb.  -   If they were able to build Wildfire systems G > with capabilities to allow VMS to run in a Galaxy environment without  on-chip I > glue, couldn't they make IS64 systems today with similar capabilities ?   G They can, and are.  But Wildfire (as distinct from Marvel) is hardly an K impressive contemporary server implementation, and HP's Itanic systems look ! like Wildfires, not like Marvels.   K If you're referring to specific hardware support for Galaxy-style operation J rather than to general scalability, then I suspect that for Wildfire-classD systems this is handled in the chipset rather than in the processorsJ themselves and hence that HP's Itanic2 'Pinnacles' chipset *could* supportJ it (though I have no reason to suspect that it was designed to:  you might ask Fred or Hoff).    Or E > does IA64 still lack what it takes to scale systems to that level ?  > I > I am not talking about matching performance. Nobody expects performance  out of > IA64.   G Actually, the raw performance of the Itanic2 *processor* is quite good, G though it does depend more than competing processors on feedback-driven K compiler optimizations that may not reflect typical application development A and hence may not reflect real-world performance, and it does use A considerably more power for a given level of performance than the  competition.  D  But if IA64 can compensate with an increased number of CPUs then it > might not be so bad.  I That's where it falls down compared with Marvel, because the problem with I HP's Itanic systems (though less so with SGI's) is that they do not (from L first benchmark results) appear to scale up nearly as well as Marvel systems do.   1  On the other hand, if one must wait for a future K > generation of IA64 things before they are capable of being assembled into H > machines with sufficient numbers of CPUs, then IA64 is clearly not yet ready & > for prime time enterprise computing.  G HP will supposedly be selling 64-processor Itanic2 boxes this year, and J 128-processor boxes next year.  They will be relatively crude, brute-forceJ solutions, but they should be adequate for many needs (though likely won't7 compare well with equally-sized SGI or Marvel systems).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:34:51 -0400 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> - Subject: Re: I learned about VMS from that... ' Message-ID: <3EAD2DFB.45052311@vcu.edu>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > John Eisenschmidt wrote:
 > > [snip]I > > > 2) Make sure the onsite staff have access to their SOFTWARE support N > > > info; my customer's didn't, unless the MIS manager does- and he's out on > > > vacation. Grrr...  > > C > > I keep this crap (phone numbers, our customer number, etc) in a I > > spreadsheet on a network drive. Anyone should be able to call support  > > and get it back up.  > I > I keep it in hard-copy and I keep my cell-phone charged and paid up. We F > have Cisco IP phones at work. So, when the network is down, we don't > have phones either.  > I > Not only can you not use the network to diagnose the network, you can't , > call your network vendor (Cisco?), either. > 
 > > [snip]' > > You mean in: SYS$DISK:[UPDATES]? =)  > % > How 'bout SYS$COMMON:[UPDATES]? ;-)  > N > > > 4) PATHWORKS may be able to transfer a file when FTP can't. I don't know4 > > > why this is true, but I'm thankful that it is. > J > I find WRQ/Reflection's ALPHALK2 program useful, even over a serial link  > (slow, but at least possible). >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/     @ Kermit can also transfer when others fail, too... and it's free.   jim    --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:59:19 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> - Subject: Re: I learned about VMS from that... ( Message-ID: <3EAD4FD7.8010107@rdrop.com>   Jim Agnew wrote:B > Kermit can also transfer when others fail, too... and it's free.  I I don't know if Kermit was installed on these machines or not; probably,  I because at least one cow-orker likes it. But I've never really gotten to  F like it, and it wasn't on the local PeeCee I was working from. In the I near future we'll have a VPN into there and DECnet will be a possibility   as well.  B I keep copies of all the support info (Phone #s, support customer I numbers, PAKs, etc) for *my* systems, and the one customer that's within  0 driving distance of my office, handy at my desk.  F This customer is large enough that we continue to hope (apparently in D vain) that they'll try to take some responsibility for the care and E feeding of their own machines; alas, that's not happening beyond one  I banana jobs like changing backup tapes. I see an increase in our support  ' contract prices in the near future. ;-)   F As for phone lines, before our servers went to co-lo, I liked to have E two POTS analog lines into the server room, independent of the phone  I switch. One went to a phone, the other wire hung loosely next to a modem  E that we could plug into a modem so field service could dial in. (Our  C customers are jails & prisons; cell phones typically work for crap  " inside all that rebar & concrete.)  I The rack in the co-lo facility has a phone port we can have turned on in   a few minutes if we need.    ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 28 Apr 03 09:11:20 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly + Message-ID: <b8j1ub$f8m$3@bob.news.rcn.net>   ' In article <3EAC0396.97C5F895@ev1.net>, -    Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net> wrote:  >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:  >>  8 >>         [snip...]         [snip...]         [snip...] >>  B >> As far as I'm concerned, this is getting very close to taxation >> without representation. >>  > >Tell that to the people who live in New Hampshire and work in >Massassassassassachusetts.....   > You use our roads, our power, our water, our air ;-) our cops,4 our firefighters, when you drive down and work here.7 At least they don't tax you on the days you don't work.    /BAH      ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 28 Apr 03 09:23:31 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly + Message-ID: <b8j2l7$f8m$4@bob.news.rcn.net>   ) In article <3EAC5034.4BC8666D@istop.com>, .    JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: >Morten Reistad wrote:> >> I agree, there are very few drivers to improve programming.< >> The new languages are boring, and rehanshes of old stuff.1 >> Very few new things in the methods department.  > H >This is another area that I disliked. Some companies paid big bucks to  someE >large consulting firms to implement a "programming model" which is a H >philosophy for programming, testing etc etc.  Once they have paid theirE >millions for stuff that any good manager should have been able to do H >themselves, they are not about to relinquish those "methods" which are  forcedL >upon programmers and which may render the most brilliant programmer into a  not J >very productive one because he has to spend so much time doing paperwork  and management.   - That sounds like they bought a pig in a poke.      > G >It is a bit like ISO9000 which doesn't dictate HWO you do things, but   rather@ >how you document them. It doesn't improve your product or your 
 productivity, G >it only ensures that your product (and how you make it) is documented.  > ? >The problem isn't so much the documentation, but an excess in  
 documentation K >and reduced freedoms to innovate. So your fancy programmer who might have   the A >ability to greatly innovate and bring new ideas is held down by   established I >procedures which force everyone to go by the book and not differentiate   themselves.   B DEC produced one of these.  It was called the Project Notebook andA was created by Dave Stone.  It was supposed to tell a person, who > had never done one, how to conduct a project.  It was supposed@ to have format templates for all documents that were required toA get a project planned, done and out the door.  It specified whose 6 signatures were needed and whole bunch of other stuff.  = 20 years later, just before he died, Stone came back and gave > a talk (I wasn't there, JMF was).  He apologized and said that; the purpose of the Project Notebook was to prevent success. @ All those middle managers and consulting engineers at that talk,? and not a single one of them asked "Why?".  I kicked JMF in the  pants for not asking.      > = >Of course, letting your programmers loose is also dangerous.   ; Heh.  They're wild and crazy.  I'm sure our supervisors had ; wetdreams about cages and keys, to be used especially when    the manager wasn't in the plant.  > Some of the hardware rivalrys also contemplated keys and cages to prevent hardware snarfing.      > ... (Sue, how tight a J >grip do you keep on your engineers ?) A proper balance is what is needed.  A And that's an art all of its own.  You have to know when to block B a runaway train.  Figuring out if it's a runaway without hindsight is also an art.    /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:50:43 -0600 % From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly 5 Message-ID: <1fu33og.1yr3gg6ha18x4N%lars@bearnip.com>   + JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   N > It is a bit like ISO9000 which doesn't dictate HWO you do things, but ratherN > how you document them. It doesn't improve your product or your productivity,H > it only ensures that your product (and how you make it) is documented. > M > The problem isn't so much the documentation, but an excess in documentation # > and reduced freedoms to innovate.   F My memory is dim on ISO9000, but as far as I remember one of the ideasH behind it was that the documentation is then used to find bottlenecks in the production process.   A I realise that most companies prefer to avoid this feedback step.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:29:55 +0200 * From: Morten Reistad <mrr@reistad.priv.no>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly 0 Message-ID: <jeoj8b.ag42.ln@via.reistad.priv.no>  - According to Lars Duening <lars@bearnip.com>: , >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: > O >> It is a bit like ISO9000 which doesn't dictate HWO you do things, but rather O >> how you document them. It doesn't improve your product or your productivity, I >> it only ensures that your product (and how you make it) is documented.  >>  N >> The problem isn't so much the documentation, but an excess in documentation$ >> and reduced freedoms to innovate. > G >My memory is dim on ISO9000, but as far as I remember one of the ideas I >behind it was that the documentation is then used to find bottlenecks in  >the production process.  C This is partly correct. But ISO9000 is only about the documentation J and the processes around it. It is pretty geared towards serial productionF of complicated machinery. Documentation and process changes are prettyE cumbersome, and pretty counterproductive as a standalone effort for a  programming house.  C ISO9000 is, however, an important building block for a lot of other B standards in the 9000 series. Iso 9002 has real value for exteriorC partners, customers etc. as it has a whole framework for consistent 8 production. Note that consistent does not mean quality.   B >I realise that most companies prefer to avoid this feedback step.   This is beyond ISO9000.    -- mrr   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 28 Apr 03 09:39:59 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Y Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly monopoln+ Message-ID: <b8j3k3$f8m$6@bob.news.rcn.net>e  ) In article <uznmb7ry7.fsf@earthlink.net>,S/    Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:t >jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:F >> One of them is a 10% tax.  If it had been called a tax, there wouldG >> have been a revolt.  But it's called a "fee for hunger" or somethinghG >> stupid like that to falsely portray that the gouging supposedly goesa9 >> to schools or something educational or something else.u >yG >there was article in today's paper about some amount of PUCCs mandatedB? >tariffs for telephone company is in support of social programsl >oC >.... aka rather than having it show up as a gov. tax ... that thenrF >subsidizes/grants in support of social programs (service for schools,C >service for old people, rural service, etc) ... various PUCCs (not E >just FCC) ... mandate certain tariffs such that telephone company islD >deliverying support for various social programs ... w/o it actually  >showing up on the gov. ledgers.  A Sure.  Fixing the books is an old activity.  I'd like to know whol@ gets the interest float of all that lovely money.  I don't think it's the government. >rD >the point of the article was a lot of the excess charges were beingD >made on long distance service in order to underwrite various of theG >social programs ... and that over the last couple years there has beenrE >a big shift from traditional long distance phone company to wirelessaG >from other providers (article claimed 12 percent per annum decrease inrF >traditional long distance with a minimum 2 percent per annum increase( >in demand for social program services).  E They're losing all of that revenue because of the 10% tax.  EverybodytA in the area where my family lives are now using calling cards and ? not long distance companies.  ATT lost tons of business because A of their treatment of their customers.  MCI lost tons of business > because they were outright stealing by advertising their 10-10A number and switching to a $2/minute service without notification.    > .. As long as it was a singletE >legal entity that PUCC & FCC were dictating to charge excessive fees G >on certain services in order to underwrite social programs ... then itC# >could be kept off the gov.  books.E >OG >with different legal entities starting to be involved in long distance-D >service and the mandated local social program supports .... then it? >becomes much more difficult to keep the funding of such sociali >programs off the gov. books.  >.E >Eventual solution is that each business has to charge the full goingSE >rate for service ... regardless of social program objectives ... andnC >then the governemnt has to underwrite certain services .... biggeruC >allotments to schools, tax rebate for elderly, subsidies for ruralN@ >operations, etc. ... along with necessary increases in gov. taxF >collections to directly cover the social programs being underwritten. >rG >WIth single legal entity ... the gov. could mandate certain funds moveaG >from one part of the operation to another part of the operation w/o itsG >directly showing up on gov. books. It is when different legal entitiesS= >are involved that taditionally the gov. needs to be involved-; >.... shifting money from one entity to a different entity.f  > Now, instead of using the telephone industry, states are using the tobacco industry for that.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:50:02 +0100l' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy A Subject: Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!e. Message-ID: <3EAD5BBA.4080505@nospamn.sun.com>   rob kas wrote: > who cares about opteron .. >  >             You Should > ( > . itanium runs OpenVMS, not oopsteron, > > >>and the alpha team influences have not even hit yet ... when7 >>they get done, oopsteron will be left in the dust .... >  >  > N >              If Intel sees AMD Start making money with Opteron , You can bet> > Yamill will Appear and  VMS may end up on Orphan chip again. > 7 >                                                   Rob  >  >   6 The systems vendors offering Opteron based systems are3 asking x86 type pricing for them. 5K for a dual CPU  system.*  9 HP want 20K for a single CPU 900 MHz 1.5 MB cache Itaniume server. 34K for a 2 way system.-  - It isn't difficult to work out paying quarter06 the price for a system with 2 faster CPU's is going to7 be attractive, particularly when you discover that ther0, is also software available for the platform.   Regardss Andrew Harrison.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:49:19 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>) Subject: Re: Johnny English is a VMS user ) Message-ID: <3EAD5B8F.1E6B1E5A@127.0.0.1>#   Per Schrder wrote: , > I just saw "Johnny English" at the cinema." > http://us.imdb.com/Title?0274166 > C > If you go to this movie, keep your eyes open for the book shelvesdA > in Johnny's office in the first couple of minutes. I'm sure youh4 > will recognize the grey wall of VMS documentation! > > > This proves that the secret agents of MI7 are VMS users! ;-)  C I don't find this surprising at all. True comedy is always built oneE reality, and note well they are of the V5 of VMS (sic) era. I take itoE this film it not set in the past. I wonder how many who watch it will24 feel someone walking over their metaphoric graves...  1 *This isn't a statement of fact, it's an opinion*t <Glances over shoulder>  -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesh nclews at csc dot comg   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:18:21 -0400v* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>) Subject: Re: Johnny English is a VMS usere) Message-ID: <3EAD6259.97ED5CCE@istop.com>    Nic Clews wrote:> > reality, and note well they are of the V5 of VMS (sic) era.   J But that was the last "true" documentation set for VMS right ? After that,: they switched to windows-like soft covert el-cheapo books.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:44:34 +0200w' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>fC Subject: Re: OpenVMS Freeware 6 CD, new Ghostscript to be included?m* Message-ID: <b8ipml$n66$1@news.tudelft.nl>   Mark Berryman wrote: > Dave Greenwood wrote:s > G >> In a previous article, Ben Armstrong <BArmstrong@dymaxion.ca> wrote:s >>F >>> Back in February on comp.os.vms, Hoff Hoffman posted this call for1 >>> submissions for the next OpenVMS Freeware CD:1 >>>1J >>> http://groups.google.ca/groups?selm=b1uu7d%24cp1%241%40web1.cup.hp.com >>> K >>> I would like to know if anyone here has a new version of Ghostscript to,H >>> include.  I see from the Ghostscript site that the latest version isF >>> offered for Unix & VMS, but it is all in source kit form.  I fear  >>> that itiI >>> will take me far more time and energy than I can spare to get it all d
 >>> up andE >>> running, and that I will therefore have to live with the current a >>> problemsH >>> I'm having with Ghostscript 6.50 until Ghostscript 8.x is available  >>> in moreo >>> convenient binary kit form.  >>>aH >>> If you're involved in producing or know the whereabouts of a binary  >>> kit of aG >>> version of Ghostscript more recent than 6.50, I'd be interested in   >>> hearingg
 >>> from you., >> >> >> >>  anon ftp to mvb.saic.com# >>  cd pcsi_kits/ghostscript-v0700/e >>0 >>  Not v8.x but at least it's newer than v6.50. >> > G > V8 will be there soon.  (You can also access this via the Web if you n
 > prefer). >cE All recent versions of GhostScript contain OpenVMS support, even the  G version currently in CVS compiles on OpenVMS. See for details waht you o need my web-page:f  (    http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/                            Jouk    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:34:01 +0100o' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!l. Message-ID: <3EAD49E9.2040502@nospamn.sun.com>   Dave Weatherall wrote:- > On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:07:57 UTC, JF Mezei m* > <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: >  >  >>"John Gemignani, Jr." wrote: >>L >>>Consider this:  Vaxes are gone, Alpha will eventually be gone.  When wereG >>>YOU planning to move from your VAX with VMS to ~something else~ withn >>>Windows or Unix?e >>L >>Consider this: Had they not killed Alpha, how much further ahead would VMSP >>have been today, and how much further ahead VMS would have bveen 1 and 2 yearsP >>down the road with the resources allocated to improvements instead of a port ? >>P >>The port should be viewed as a necessary evil caused by a mistaken decision toI >>kill alpha. It should not be viewed as something good for VMS. There iseL >>nothing outstanding about IA64, nothing that will give VMS a technologicalM >>edge over competitors such as HP-UX or Tandem, something it had with Alpha.: >  > H > Hang on JF. Porting VMS to another platform is _not_ a/the mistake. ItH > would be good for VMS. Dave D. and others have been asking for it for G > a long time now. I would like to be using at home but then I'm a VMS TG > bigot so we can't map that desire onto the Home computing population sH > at large. As you point out below, the mistake is setting alight to the2 > boats before you've reached the opposite shore.  >   5 That implies that OpenVMS will then be running on two 2 supported platforms that each have some measure of long term viability.  ' Otherwise what other benefit is there ?    To show that its possible ?n1 To keep OpenVMS engineering in beers and pizzas ?e  : However as we all know IA-64 replaces Alpha, the remaining? OpenVMS customers at that time shoulder the burden of migrating ; to OpenVMS/IA-64 and the Alpha platform dies and there then  there is IA-64 and thats it.  ! And what happens if IA-64 fails ?   : And people have not been asking for a port to Itanium they< have been asking for a port to a low cost commodity platform6 which Itanium emphatically isn't unless you think that0 100,000 for a 4 way server is commodity pricing.     regardsn Andrew Harrisons   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:09:43 +0100a' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyhY Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retai , Message-ID: <3EAD4437.90507@nospamn.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:n > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3E9D6A4B.5020006@nospamn.sun.com>...s >  >>David Svensson wrote:l >>$ >>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyE >>><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote > I challenge you toa. >>>trawl back through all the public benchmark >>>n >>>aB >>>>results for the 8400-GS140-GS320, compare them with Sun/HP/IBM@ >>>>results for those tests at the same time, you will find thatC >>>>except for period between the introduction of the 8400 and wheny= >>>>Sun introduced the E4500-E10K there is no time when the 3*8 >>>>servers held a performance lead over Sun/HP and IBM. >>>- >>>-F >>>I haven't seen that Sun have been any good on benchmarks the last 4C >>>years. When they are better they have lots of more CPU's and are.G >>>compared and still slower to machines with less CPU's. Before Power4i! >>>IBM were not that good either.n >>>a >>D >>Well you haven't been looking much further than SPECint and SPECfp >>then.r >  > - > It is SPEC that I have not been looking at.u >  >   ! So what have you been looking at.V    : >>Sun currently leads TPC-H non clustered, SAP, PeopleSoft# >>and a number of other benchmarks., >  > H > Yes, on TPC-H just recently submitted, but with 72 CPUs it is not that
 > impressive.b >   9 Huu. Its the fastest non clustered number apart from that  no it isn't at all impressive.     > ; >>IBM has the leading TPC-C result, it also had the leadinge& >>result before Power 4 with the P680. >  >  > I don't see that?r >   7 In this case you are correct, currently Fujitsu has ther: fastest TPC-C result, unless you consider a shared nothing; cluster running windows and SQL-Server a sensible platform.   6 The IBM P680 however did have the leading TPC-C result when the GS320 was introduced.   > @ >>>>There is a history around Alpha servers of hugely optimistic= >>>>performance claims which have never been supported by any  >>>>collateral.  >>>s >>>eG >>>From what I have seen and experienced Alpha has been a very fast CPUaH >>>and many benchmarks have also shown that. Digital/Compaq never reallyG >>>advertised the Alpha so the "hugely optimistic performance" are fromg$ >>>real users solving real problems. >>>h >>; >>Ahh you are refering to the Alpha syndrome. This is where%: >>people extrapolate the performance of a large SMP server? >>from the performance of single CPU running a micro benchmark.  >  > F > No, I am refering to the many users who where and are happy with theC > performance of the large SMP AlphaServers on commercial workload.v >    So how do you measure that ?  8 Customer references, we have explored that route and its6 rocky road if you are hoping for GS160/320 collateral.   Regards  Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:57:56 -0400n* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Oracle and VMS 4 Message-ID: <xecra.5686$945.16594@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   HI  < You have no support from Oracle anyhow, with those versions.  I So I would say, just upgrade VMS on one machine and see what happens with  Oracle.-K This is no weendoze. An older version of Oracle should be running fine on as% newer VMS. But you'll have to try it.:  1 Why not upgrade to a supported version of Oracle?t   --   OpenVMS 7.2-1, Oracle 8.1.6.0c   SyltremnI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)t8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  I "Insomnee" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> a crit dans le message de news: % b86h7c$b7t$1@sparta.btinternet.com... G > We have a number of Oracle 7.3.4.3 and Oracle 8.0.5.0.1 databases anddD > would like to upgrade from our current version of OpenVMS 7.2-1 onE > Alpha to the latest version in our posession, v7.3-1. One reason islF > not being able to get support from HP/Compaq without a prior support > contract, etc... >vG > Does anyone have any issues or know of any problems surrounding this,hD > or has anyone been in a similar situation and already upgraded? We0 > believe Oracle would just say "Can't help ya!" >e > Thanks in anticipation >t > Rob. >c >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:01:19 -0400e* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Oracle and VMSt4 Message-ID: <phcra.5687$945.16515@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   Oh I forgot:  F It's possible you'll have to re-link Oracle after the upgrade. I would
 recommend it.f  + Have a good backup before you try anything.F   --   OpenVMS 7.2-1, Oracle 8.1.6.0l   SyltremoI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)a8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  I "Insomnee" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> a crit dans le message de news:,' b86hc2$hef$1@hercules.btinternet.com...mE > Have just posted this earlier. Having probs with my server so if itE appearsL > in duplicate, my apologies!  >f; > "Insomnee" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> wrote in messagee, > news:b86h7c$b7t$1@sparta.btinternet.com...I > > We have a number of Oracle 7.3.4.3 and Oracle 8.0.5.0.1 databases andrF > > would like to upgrade from our current version of OpenVMS 7.2-1 onG > > Alpha to the latest version in our posession, v7.3-1. One reason ispH > > not being able to get support from HP/Compaq without a prior support > > contract, etc... > >8I > > Does anyone have any issues or know of any problems surrounding this,cF > > or has anyone been in a similar situation and already upgraded? We2 > > believe Oracle would just say "Can't help ya!" > >e > > Thanks in anticipation > >S > > Rob. > >y > >e >9 >e   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:42:13 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)S Subject: Re: Oracle and VMS + Message-ID: <b8jll5$1uj$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>a  a In article <xecra.5686$945.16594@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:  >HIl >u= >You have no support from Oracle anyhow, with those versions.  > J >So I would say, just upgrade VMS on one machine and see what happens with >Oracle.L >This is no weendoze. An older version of Oracle should be running fine on a& >newer VMS. But you'll have to try it. >0  M Oracle is NOT a normal usermode program. Whenever you upgrade VMS you need toIL relink Oracle. This may or maynot work according to what Oracle have done inP the name of performance (as I recall for at least one version of Oracle they hadL embedded explicit checks of what versions of VMS they would support - which K obviously didn't include versions of VMS produced after the release of that  version of Oracle).i  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University  2 >Why not upgrade to a supported version of Oracle? >  >--o >n >OpenVMS 7.2-1, Oracle 8.1.6.0 >  >SyltremJ >http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)9 >To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my addressd >oJ >"Insomnee" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> a crit dans le message de news:& >b86h7c$b7t$1@sparta.btinternet.com...H >> We have a number of Oracle 7.3.4.3 and Oracle 8.0.5.0.1 databases andE >> would like to upgrade from our current version of OpenVMS 7.2-1 onrF >> Alpha to the latest version in our posession, v7.3-1. One reason isG >> not being able to get support from HP/Compaq without a prior supporth >> contract, etc...c >>H >> Does anyone have any issues or know of any problems surrounding this,E >> or has anyone been in a similar situation and already upgraded? Wes1 >> believe Oracle would just say "Can't help ya!"t >> >> Thanks in anticipationo >> >> Rob.i >> >> >a >g   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:14:02 +0100 ' From: "David Gray" <police@spamcop.net> ! Subject: Re: Q - Printer Problemsi1 Message-ID: <sNmdnTKLcbAP2DCjXTWcow@giganews.com>l   Hi,i  L First thing I did was look in the TCP/IP document but nothing sparang out as" a solution, I will ask the wizard. Thanks for the info.   Regards,	     Dave.t    A "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.gateway.2wire.net> wrote in messageu7 news:FDuqa.99376$gK.197271@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...y> > In article <b8drk0$lr0$1@titan.btinternet.com>, "David Gray" <police@spamcop.net> writes:I > >Well that met with a deafening silence. I did post to comp.os.vms... ?o > >h >l, > I don't remeber seeing this post before... >  > >g5 > >"David Gray" <police@spamcop.net> wrote in messaget. > >news:ZvOcnUaM2-oTpgCjXTWcpg@giganews.com... > > Hi all,a > >> > >> OpenVMS 7.3-1: > >> Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 > >> HP LaserJet 4000 - PCL6 > >>J > >> Recently added a reset module to a VMS print queue for the purpose of+ > >> removing blank pages, now if more thanc< > >> one print is sent the second and subsequent jobs stall. > <snip>D > >> The jobs do eventually print after 5-10 minutes and during this	 'Stalled'e- > >> period I'm getting the following messageA > >> from the OPS console. > >>L > >>     TCPIP$TELNETSYM - (ITSERVPR1) open_socket_ast invoked with bad IOSB > >660:w' > >> connect to network object rejectedd > >>H > >> Investigation on the net shows this to be caused by print jobs from
 > >Windows= > >> not releasing the port after a successful print, and the K > >> workaround being to define the timeout logicals.  I have done this bute am8 > >> still unable to get rid delay due to jobs stalling. > >> > >> (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)s > >>7 > >>   "OPENVMS$TELNET" = "SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$TELNET.EXE"t( > >>   "TCPIP$TELNETSYM_ENABLE" = ".1.."7 > >>   "TCPIP$TELNETSYM_IDLE_TIMEOUT" = "0 00:00:30.00"p& > >>   "TCPIP$TELNETSYM_RAW_TCP" = "1"1 > >>   "TCPIP$TELNETSYM_SUPPRESS_FORMFEEDS" = "1"o% > >>   "TCPIP$TELNET_ENABLE" = ".1.."d5 > >>   "UCX$TELNETSYM_IDLE_TIMEOUT" = "0 00:00:30.00"s$ > >>   "UCX$TELNETSYM_RAW_TCP" = "1"/ > >>   "UCX$TELNETSYM_SUPPRESS_FORMFEEDS" = "1"v > >>I > >> Has anyone come across this before and if so do you have a solution?e >aJ > I've seen this behavior before - The "idle_timeout" logical, and anotherL > related logical (whose name currently esacpes me) are the "culprits" here. IfJ > you have access to DSNlink/WIS, search in the TCP/IP section for "stall" and E > "timeout" - there is at least one (and possibly more than one) nice 
 article on > troubleshooting this issue.c > J > This issue may also have made it into the latest TCP/IP doc - check that out,
 > as well. >pF > If neither of these things are available, go to the "Ask The Wizard"
 section of
 > the FAQ. > <snip> >iC > _________________________________________________________________r0 > Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own"0 > bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm "Lose the MAPS"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:39:53 -0500'< From: "La Roche, Michael" <mlaroche@allsaintshealthcare.org>! Subject: RE: Q - Printer Problemsg] Message-ID: <F2D18855B95D6942BD315C5A8F141A0E035A6AE5@as-exchange-01.allsaintshealthcare.org>e  5 Maybe try the logical TCPIP$TELNETSYM_RETRY_INTERVAL .                             \\\|///                        \\ _ _ //f                       ( @ @ )o*  o--------------oOOo-( )-oOOo------------o- { Michael J. La Roche - Sr. Systems Analyst } 3 { All Saints Healthcare System, Inc.              } 6 { 1320 Wisconsin Avenue                              }: { Racine, WI  53403                                      }; { V:  262-687-7741                                        } ; { F:  262-687-5595                                        }t0 { E:  mlaroche@allsaintshealthcare.org         },  o----------------oooO--Oooo---------------o  - "Careful-- we don't want to learn from this."   	-Calvin & Hobbes       > -----Original Message-----, > From:	David Gray [SMTP:police@spamcop.net]' > Sent:	Monday, April 28, 2003 10:14 AMd > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr# > Subject:	Re: Q - Printer Problemse >  > Hi,a > K > First thing I did was look in the TCP/IP document but nothing sparang outI > as$ > a solution, I will ask the wizard. > Thanks for the info. > 
 > Regards, >     Dave.e >  > C > "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.gateway.2wire.net> wrote in messagea9 > news:FDuqa.99376$gK.197271@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...b@ > > In article <b8drk0$lr0$1@titan.btinternet.com>, "David Gray" > <police@spamcop.net> writes:K > > >Well that met with a deafening silence. I did post to comp.os.vms... ?o > > >p > >3. > > I don't remeber seeing this post before... > >  > > >:7 > > >"David Gray" <police@spamcop.net> wrote in message20 > > >news:ZvOcnUaM2-oTpgCjXTWcpg@giganews.com...
 > > > Hi all,E > > >> > > >> OpenVMS 7.3-1< > > >> Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 > > >> HP LaserJet 4000 - PCL6 > > >>L > > >> Recently added a reset module to a VMS print queue for the purpose of- > > >> removing blank pages, now if more thano> > > >> one print is sent the second and subsequent jobs stall.
 > > <snip>F > > >> The jobs do eventually print after 5-10 minutes and during this > 'Stalled'y/ > > >> period I'm getting the following message  > > >> from the OPS console. > > >>I > > >>     TCPIP$TELNETSYM - (ITSERVPR1) open_socket_ast invoked with badc > IOSB	 > > >660:n) > > >> connect to network object rejected  > > >>J > > >> Investigation on the net shows this to be caused by print jobs from > > >Windows? > > >> not releasing the port after a successful print, and theTI > > >> workaround being to define the timeout logicals.  I have done thish > buti > am: > > >> still unable to get rid delay due to jobs stalling. > > >> > > >> (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)r > > >>9 > > >>   "OPENVMS$TELNET" = "SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$TELNET.EXE" * > > >>   "TCPIP$TELNETSYM_ENABLE" = ".1.."9 > > >>   "TCPIP$TELNETSYM_IDLE_TIMEOUT" = "0 00:00:30.00"g( > > >>   "TCPIP$TELNETSYM_RAW_TCP" = "1"3 > > >>   "TCPIP$TELNETSYM_SUPPRESS_FORMFEEDS" = "1"n' > > >>   "TCPIP$TELNET_ENABLE" = ".1.."s7 > > >>   "UCX$TELNETSYM_IDLE_TIMEOUT" = "0 00:00:30.00"p& > > >>   "UCX$TELNETSYM_RAW_TCP" = "1"1 > > >>   "UCX$TELNETSYM_SUPPRESS_FORMFEEDS" = "1"  > > >>K > > >> Has anyone come across this before and if so do you have a solution?  > >sL > > I've seen this behavior before - The "idle_timeout" logical, and anotherH > > related logical (whose name currently esacpes me) are the "culprits" > here.l > IfL > > you have access to DSNlink/WIS, search in the TCP/IP section for "stall" > and G > > "timeout" - there is at least one (and possibly more than one) nices > article on > > troubleshooting this issue.a > >iL > > This issue may also have made it into the latest TCP/IP doc - check that > out, > > as well. > >,H > > If neither of these things are available, go to the "Ask The Wizard" > section of > > the FAQ.
 > > <snip> > >oE > > _________________________________________________________________n2 > > Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own"2 > > bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm "Lose the MAPS" >  >  > @ This message, and any attachment, is privileged and confidentialF information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee and AllE Saints Healthcare. If you are not the intended recipient, immediatelyeI destroy this message and notify the sender of the error. Please note thatoL any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this messageC is prohibited. All Saints Healthcare does not endorse any opinions,dL conclusions or other information contained within this message that does not pertain to official business.a   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2003 02:30:27 -0700) From: yeung_kenneth@hotmail.com (Kenneth)i Subject: SLS change server node-= Message-ID: <f26516b9.0304280130.6153dd17@posting.google.com>   E I am using SLS v2.9B on VAX (server) and Alpha (Client) and I need tof- change the server to run on another VAX node.u. 1. What should I need to re-config the client?C 2. Can I just copy all the data server in the old sever VAX node to  the new one?   Thanks.e   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2003 08:04:43 -0700* From: denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich)# Subject: Re: SLS change server nodet< Message-ID: <d28306e.0304280704.2a6b4e02@posting.google.com>  n yeung_kenneth@hotmail.com (Kenneth) wrote in message news:<f26516b9.0304280130.6153dd17@posting.google.com>...G > I am using SLS v2.9B on VAX (server) and Alpha (Client) and I need tot/ > change the server to run on another VAX node. 0 > 1. What should I need to re-config the client?E > 2. Can I just copy all the data server in the old sever VAX node to  > the new one? > 	 > Thanks.   G If the VAX nodes are clustered, then you will have to do the following:nD 1. change the licenses in the license database to have the new node D    load the server license, and the old node load one of the client     licenses. These look like: &       SLS                          DEC&       SLS-REMOTE                   DEC<    and the commands you want are $LICENSE MODIFY/INCLUDE or H    $LICENSE MODIFY/EXCLUDE, to get the licenses to load on a particular     node.I 2. in sys$manager:tapestart.com, you will have to change these two lines ""    to reflect the new server node.>    $ PRI := VAXXXE              ! Server node or cluster aliasC    $ DB_NODES := VAXXXE         ! Nodes to start database server on 5    where VAXXXE is the node running the SLS database.h   Then restart SLS.r  H If the VAXes are not clustered, then load the SLS software onto the new 4 node, load the license, and just to a fresh install.  
 good luck. dennym   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:18:12 GMTg# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>k' Subject: Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMSo< Message-ID: <8_8ra.32604$My6.440631@twister.tampabay.rr.com>   David,  H How did it go?  We just upgraded our GS140 to VMS 7.3-1 this weekend andE will be firing up our STK L700 (filled with SDLT tapes) soon.  We aremH replacing an older STK silo that was directly connected to the GS140 via multiple scsi boards.o  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3EAABC6E.C08EA960@fsi.net...   &  Our go-live is this weekend (tonight, > actually). >  > Good luck... >e > -- > David J. DachteraE > dba DJE Systemsh > http://www.djesys.com/ >c* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h >    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2003 06:52:36 -0700* From: denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich)0 Subject: Re: telnetsym and the missing last page< Message-ID: <d28306e.0304280552.75fef490@posting.google.com>  P Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote in message news:<3EA9A196.99D21119@vcu.edu>...F > in the far reaches of my dusty mind, I think I had to put a formfeedI > into the device control library to slap the laser..  I think... someoneiH > will probably have something or other that's better.  Ask on Monday if > you want the tlb library...d   [ S N  I P ]     Jim,; thanks for the hint.  I have a module in the library callede6 "form_feed". It consists of %x0C, only. Then I can useE /SEPARATE=(RESET=(FORM_FEED)) when I init the queue. My understandingdC is that this should push a FF character out as part of the post-jobaC reset, but it did NOT produce the expected result.  I suspect TcPIP . Services may be meddling with the byte stream. Dennyk   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:12:24 -0400a! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>k0 Subject: Re: telnetsym and the missing last page' Message-ID: <3EAD36C8.1F68F790@vcu.edu>a  D oh yeah...  you have to encapsulate the form feed, you are trying toH send that formfee to the laser, but the form feed has to be 'wrapped' inF an escape sequence to allow the print symbiont to actually not capture" it, but pass it on to the laser...   lemme riffle around...   Denny Rich wrote:4 > R > Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote in message news:<3EA9A196.99D21119@vcu.edu>...H > > in the far reaches of my dusty mind, I think I had to put a formfeedK > > into the device control library to slap the laser..  I think... someonelJ > > will probably have something or other that's better.  Ask on Monday if > > you want the tlb library...t >  > [ S N  I P ] >  > Jim,= > thanks for the hint.  I have a module in the library calledm8 > "form_feed". It consists of %x0C, only. Then I can useG > /SEPARATE=(RESET=(FORM_FEED)) when I init the queue. My understandinghE > is that this should push a FF character out as part of the post-job E > reset, but it did NOT produce the expected result.  I suspect TcPIP 0 > Services may be meddling with the byte stream. > Denny.   -- >F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:28:23 -0400n! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>j0 Subject: Re: telnetsym and the missing last page' Message-ID: <3EAD3A87.9532B677@vcu.edu>    Ok. try this...r  D save your tlb library first... then try these reset modules...  thatF first one is the one with the encapulating that protect the esc p fromA being eaten, you may try that, as that may also eject the page...n    ) Create a new reset module with the PCL asr  below..                         J <esc>P                                                                    J                                                                            or try  # <ESC>]VMS;2<ESC>\<ESC>P<ESC>E<ESC>\t  C if the page is sent AFTER the print, add this to your setup module;d   <ESC>P<ESC>&l0O<ESC>\t"                                      Denny Rich wrote:e > R > Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote in message news:<3EA9A196.99D21119@vcu.edu>...H > > in the far reaches of my dusty mind, I think I had to put a formfeedK > > into the device control library to slap the laser..  I think... someone0J > > will probably have something or other that's better.  Ask on Monday if > > you want the tlb library...i >  > [ S N  I P ] >  > Jim,= > thanks for the hint.  I have a module in the library calledo8 > "form_feed". It consists of %x0C, only. Then I can useG > /SEPARATE=(RESET=(FORM_FEED)) when I init the queue. My understanding E > is that this should push a FF character out as part of the post-job-E > reset, but it did NOT produce the expected result.  I suspect TcPIP$0 > Services may be meddling with the byte stream. > Denny.   --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:16:36 -0500n From: brandon@dalsemi.com - Subject: Re: Using ArcServe to backup VAX/VMSe1 Message-ID: <03042809163609@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>y  O You could backup the files using ARCserve.  You would need to be able to accessa4 the drives using Pathworks (Advanced Server) or NFS.  = Other than that, I have no experience using ARCserve and VMS.o   Why do you want to do that?      John Brandon VMS Systems Administratore Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fxe   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:39:09 -0700.* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>- Subject: Re: Using ArcServe to backup VAX/VMSs2 Message-ID: <U_ScnVgHsZ2SoDCjXTWcqw@mpowercom.net>  & <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message+ news:03042809163609@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... J > You could backup the files using ARCserve.  You would need to be able to access6 > the drives using Pathworks (Advanced Server) or NFS. >h? > Other than that, I have no experience using ARCserve and VMS.r >tJ It would only work for certain types of VMS files.  Backing up over SMB orK NFS net protocols you would lose the RMS attributes.  No relative files, nowK ISAM files.  Best hope would be to run VMS backup to create a save set, runeL a RMS convert on it then use ARCServe to put it on tape.  I wouldn't want to; be the one who had to restore a lost VMS system disk tho...l   Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:33:38 -0500  From: brandon@dalsemi.com - Subject: Re: Using ArcServe to backup VAX/VMSf1 Message-ID: <03042810333827@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>t  L > > You could backup the files using ARCserve.  You would need to be able to > access8 > > the drives using Pathworks (Advanced Server) or NFS. > >oA > > Other than that, I have no experience using ARCserve and VMS.t > > L > It would only work for certain types of VMS files.  Backing up over SMB orM > NFS net protocols you would lose the RMS attributes.  No relative files, noEM > ISAM files.  Best hope would be to run VMS backup to create a save set, run N > a RMS convert on it then use ARCServe to put it on tape.  I wouldn't want to= > be the one who had to restore a lost VMS system disk tho...m >   Jack Peacock  I I would agree with that.  If the intent was to backup VMS Pathworks (A/S)nL shares - files that are common to a Win/client desktop environment, then the ARCserve may work just fine.  L Your VMS bqackup/save-set idea would also work too.  ZIP could also be used.) However, how many links in the chain...  c  ! I agree with J.P. - no thank you!i   John Brandon VMS Systems Administratort Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkt 972.371.4003 fxc   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:26:42 GMTh# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>r Subject: VMS 7.3-1< Message-ID: <669ra.32711$My6.441574@twister.tampabay.rr.com>  K This was a very big weekend for us.  We finally removed the last VAXen fromnJ our Cluster.  What a huge task (for many many reasons) that was.  But they
 are gone now.e  L We also upgraded one of our Alphas (a GS140)  from VMS 7.2-1 w TCPIP version> 5.0 to VMS 7.3-1 w TCPIP v 5.3 eco 2 and a slew of other ECOs.  H We are having a problem with our 3rd part storage library  (dismount not. being recognized) , which they are working on.  H We are also having a problem with telnet.  This is the problem I want to seek help for.  J Occasionally (about 20 times yesterday to three different users), a telnetJ session hangs, then disconnects, returning the user to the original system from which they telnetted.  & Any ideas?  Anything obvious to check?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:00:33 GMTu0 From: "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-10 Message-ID: <RB9ra.483$GU1.377@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message6 news:669ra.32711$My6.441574@twister.tampabay.rr.com...H > This was a very big weekend for us.  We finally removed the last VAXen fromL > our Cluster.  What a huge task (for many many reasons) that was.  But they > are gone now.r >0F > We also upgraded one of our Alphas (a GS140)  from VMS 7.2-1 w TCPIP versiona@ > 5.0 to VMS 7.3-1 w TCPIP v 5.3 eco 2 and a slew of other ECOs. >pJ > We are having a problem with our 3rd part storage library  (dismount not0 > being recognized) , which they are working on. >wJ > We are also having a problem with telnet.  This is the problem I want to > seek help for. >BL > Occasionally (about 20 times yesterday to three different users), a telnetL > session hangs, then disconnects, returning the user to the original system > from which they telnetted. >h( > Any ideas?  Anything obvious to check? >p Helloi  8 I have seen the same thing, and for me, it was solved by  ) sysconfig -r inet tcp_keepalive_default=1c$ sysconfig -r inet tcp_keepidle=14400! sysconfig -r inet tcp_compat_42=0l   Try it on a test node first.   Regards,   Grard   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2003 08:05:17 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-13 Message-ID: <xq1tg3lib8C2@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  b In article <669ra.32711$My6.441574@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> writes: > N > We also upgraded one of our Alphas (a GS140)  from VMS 7.2-1 w TCPIP version@ > 5.0 to VMS 7.3-1 w TCPIP v 5.3 eco 2 and a slew of other ECOs.    ( > Any ideas?  Anything obvious to check?      Get a better stack.   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Apr 2003 14:20:43 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-15 Message-ID: <b8jdbr$a9c2r$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>h  0 In article <RB9ra.483$GU1.377@news.cpqcorp.net>,3 	"labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> writes:2 > 0 > "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message8 > news:669ra.32711$My6.441574@twister.tampabay.rr.com...I >> This was a very big weekend for us.  We finally removed the last VAXena > fromM >> our Cluster.  What a huge task (for many many reasons) that was.  But theyn >> are gone now. >>G >> We also upgraded one of our Alphas (a GS140)  from VMS 7.2-1 w TCPIPd	 > versionfA >> 5.0 to VMS 7.3-1 w TCPIP v 5.3 eco 2 and a slew of other ECOs.t >>K >> We are having a problem with our 3rd part storage library  (dismount not 1 >> being recognized) , which they are working on.  >>K >> We are also having a problem with telnet.  This is the problem I want to  >> seek help for.e >>M >> Occasionally (about 20 times yesterday to three different users), a telnetiM >> session hangs, then disconnects, returning the user to the original systemd >> from which they telnetted.t >>) >> Any ideas?  Anything obvious to check?r >> > Hello' > : > I have seen the same thing, and for me, it was solved by > + > sysconfig -r inet tcp_keepalive_default=1 & > sysconfig -r inet tcp_keepidle=14400# > sysconfig -r inet tcp_compat_42=0r >  > Try it on a test node first. >   . Is it just me, or is this really not for VMS??  G Oh yeah, Keepalives are a bad idea and if they are necessary then there>@ is a very broken TCPIP implementation somewhere in that network.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2003 10:47:22 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304280947.61222dfa@posting.google.com>r  g "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:<669ra.32711$My6.441574@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...AM > This was a very big weekend for us.  We finally removed the last VAXen from L > our Cluster.  What a huge task (for many many reasons) that was.  But they > are gone now., > N > We also upgraded one of our Alphas (a GS140)  from VMS 7.2-1 w TCPIP version@ > 5.0 to VMS 7.3-1 w TCPIP v 5.3 eco 2 and a slew of other ECOs. > J > We are having a problem with our 3rd part storage library  (dismount not0 > being recognized) , which they are working on. > J > We are also having a problem with telnet.  This is the problem I want to > seek help for. > L > Occasionally (about 20 times yesterday to three different users), a telnetL > session hangs, then disconnects, returning the user to the original system > from which they telnetted. >  > Any ideas?   get TCPware ...h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:09:50 +0200d7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> 3 Subject: Re: X-windows: adding a widget to a systemo/ Message-ID: <b8ihvg$d0u$1@bozon1.softax.com.pl>o   JF Mezei wrote:.7 > OK, I am getting my hands dirty with X-windows/Motif.g > O > I have found source code for a widget that allows numbers to be entered (with / > decimal etc). How does one make it available:n > 	1- to a program > 	2- to the UIL compiler ?k > H > Is it possible to install it so that it is available by default to allO > applications on a system, or must those additional widgets be linked directlym > with each application ?r   Is that Xbae widget set ?    Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 04:03:01 -0400n* From: Captain Picard <picard@ncc1701A.fed>3 Subject: Re: X-windows: adding a widget to a systemi, Message-ID: <3EACE035.27CD41B5@ncc1701A.fed>   Robert Trawinski wrote:O > Is that Xbae widget set ?a   No, I have found one at:H http://www.cs.sfu.ca/people/GradStudents/lantin/personal/XlNumericField/  L Just curous as to how one actually installs a new widget on a system so that+ applications (and UIL compiler) can use it.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:47:57 -0500i( From: Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com>3 Subject: Re: X-windows: adding a widget to a system / Message-ID: <vaqc8j51fq7pc4@corp.supernews.com>r  % On 4/27/2003 4:51 PM, JF Mezei wrote:e7 > OK, I am getting my hands dirty with X-windows/Motif.l > O > I have found source code for a widget that allows numbers to be entered (withe/ > decimal etc). How does one make it available:o > 	1- to a program > 	2- to the UIL compiler ?w > H > Is it possible to install it so that it is available by default to allO > applications on a system, or must those additional widgets be linked directlyo > with each application ?>  D I've never seen a way to "install" a widget like you are describing.  B For it to be available to all apps, all you have to do is put the B compiled .uil file someplace where the apps can access it via the E MrmOpenHierarchy call.  Note that this file needs to be available at tG runtime, it's not linked into the application.  You could also provide eG the corresponding interface code (callbacks, constants, etc.) so users e don't have to recreate it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:52:41 GMT , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>3 Subject: Re: X-windows: adding a widget to a systemt> Message-ID: <Jmara.42$2E5.16515317@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>  D I did something like this about 10 years ago.  I had submitted it to, Decus and I see it is still referenced here:  < http://www.decus.org/libcatalog/description_html/v00565.html  @ If the FTP download still works, or you can find another source,# perhaps this will help.  Good luck.m   Jimb  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messageI# news:3EAC50DB.F787D8CA@istop.com...p7 > OK, I am getting my hands dirty with X-windows/Motif.> > I > I have found source code for a widget that allows numbers to be enterede (withh/ > decimal etc). How does one make it available:n > 1- to a programc > 2- to the UIL compiler ? >hH > Is it possible to install it so that it is available by default to allF > applications on a system, or must those additional widgets be linked directly > with each application ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:23:54 GMT , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>3 Subject: Re: X-windows: adding a widget to a systemo: Message-ID: <Ksdra.524$mV5.275@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>   Also see this manual:y  F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/5635/5635pro_015.html#wml_binary   I did locate my old code at:   ftp://ftp.decus.org/lib/v00565/r  J It's VAX c with all its foilbles but might be workable.  BTW the meter.wmlD file contains the motif definitions plus the meter.  Use it as input UILWMDCREATE.COM   Jimg      7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagec# news:3EAC50DB.F787D8CA@istop.com...f7 > OK, I am getting my hands dirty with X-windows/Motif.  >eI > I have found source code for a widget that allows numbers to be enteredh (witho/ > decimal etc). How does one make it available:e > 1- to a programa > 2- to the UIL compiler ? >oH > Is it possible to install it so that it is available by default to allF > applications on a system, or must those additional widgets be linked directly > with each application ?u   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Apr 03 09:49:31 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)rN Subject: Re: [DECnet-Plus V7.3-1 ECO2] What has happened to the DECNET_VERSION) Message-ID: <wYyb1laM3$JV@elias.decus.ch>e  b In article <3eabed66$0$49113$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> writes: > Paul Sture wrote:    <snip>  J >> $ PRODUCT INSTALL DNVOSIECO02DEC AXPVMS DNVOSIECO02 V7.3-1: DECnet-Plus! >  V7.3-1 for OpenVMS Alpha ECO 2t >>2 >>     Copyright 2003 Compaq Computer Corporation. >>: >> * This product does not have any configuration options. >> >> Execution phase starting ...a >>: >> The following product will be installed to destination:I >>     DEC AXPVMS DNVOSIECO02 V7.3-1          DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON.]eI >> %PCSI-I-OBJSKP, file [SYSEXE]DNS$SERVER.EXE pertains to an option thatn' > was not selected; file update skippeds >> >> ^^^^^^??????? was ist das?o > E > DECdns is the naming service for DECnet-Plus. Up to VMS V7.3 DECdnsaE > server was only available for VAX (or on Tru64 Unix). Starting withuH > V7.3-1 it is on Alpha, too. If you install or upgrade DECnet-Plus, andI > you accept the default configuration options, DECdns server will not bes > installed.  L Eh? This sounds awfully Windows like. Does that you mean that if I decide to@ change my configuration to use DECdns I have to reapply the ECO?   > E > Most sites use the Local name database in stead of DECdns. However,cA > DECdns was one of big advantages of DECnet-Plus over DECnet IV,f  > especially for large networks. >    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2003 06:16:37 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)/N Subject: Re: [DECnet-Plus V7.3-1 ECO2] What has happened to the DECNET_VERSION< Message-ID: <a98cd882.0304280516.937f530@posting.google.com>  Z p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote in message news:<wYyb1laM3$JV@elias.decus.ch>...d > In article <3eabed66$0$49113$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> writes: > > Paul Sture wrote:  >  > <snip> > L > >> $ PRODUCT INSTALL DNVOSIECO02DEC AXPVMS DNVOSIECO02 V7.3-1: DECnet-Plus! >  V7.3-1 for OpenVMS Alpha ECO 2r > >>4 > >>     Copyright 2003 Compaq Computer Corporation. > >>< > >> * This product does not have any configuration options. > >>! > >> Execution phase starting ...s > >>< > >> The following product will be installed to destination:K > >>     DEC AXPVMS DNVOSIECO02 V7.3-1          DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON.]yK > >> %PCSI-I-OBJSKP, file [SYSEXE]DNS$SERVER.EXE pertains to an option thaty( >  was not selected; file update skipped > >> > >> ^^^^^^??????? was ist das?d > > G > > DECdns is the naming service for DECnet-Plus. Up to VMS V7.3 DECdns G > > server was only available for VAX (or on Tru64 Unix). Starting with0J > > V7.3-1 it is on Alpha, too. If you install or upgrade DECnet-Plus, andK > > you accept the default configuration options, DECdns server will not bea > > installed. > N > Eh? This sounds awfully Windows like. Does that you mean that if I decide toB > change my configuration to use DECdns I have to reapply the ECO?  D That could be the case; I am not sure. However, reinstalling the ECOD is definitely the smallest part of the effort. You will also have to rename all your nodes!   > > G > > Most sites use the Local name database in stead of DECdns. However, C > > DECdns was one of big advantages of DECnet-Plus over DECnet IV,a" > > especially for large networks. > >     	 Bart Zornh   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.234 ************************